Posts by Jord

1) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Screensaver under MacOS 14 Sonoma (Message 113869)
Posted 18 days ago by Profile Jord
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Charlie posted an update here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=15195&postid=113743
2) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 113852)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Jord
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Louis Gossett Jr. , American actor, 87.
3) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Mannager completely empty (Message 113847)
Posted 28 days ago by Profile Jord
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Did you read what you posted from the log? The sub-projects at WCG have no work available, whether they're really out of work, or because of other problems. So choose another of their sub-projects, or ask at their forums https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/index, why all these sub-projects are out of work.

Uninstalling BOINC and reinstalling it won't do anything to fix this. It's the project not sending you work.
4) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to login (Message 113797)
Posted 20 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Each project is its own independent entity, you have to register your account with them separately. Unless you use Science United, because then you use an anonymous account, that one won't have credit or anything associated with it.
You login for this website is only for this website.
5) Message boards : Android : Android - how to remove notices after I read them (Message 113784)
Posted 18 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Only thing I could think of was to ask for a reset option in Android's manager, so I did that: #5539
6) Message boards : Android : Android - how to remove notices after I read them (Message 113782)
Posted 18 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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I don't think there is. Sometimes these happen, even on PC/Mac. There one would remove the offending xml file, but that's not possible here.

A reset option would be nice here.
7) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc and Rendering/Gaming GPUs (Message 113778)
Posted 17 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Use https://www.nvidia.com/download/index.aspx?lang=en-us to download the drivers for your GPU. Do choose the correct model before downloading the drivers.

Thanks Richard, for correcting the year that Nvidia added support.
8) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc and Rendering/Gaming GPUs (Message 113776)
Posted 17 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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BOINC has had Nvidia GPU support since the start of CUDA in 2004. It all depends on drivers.
Install the correct drivers and add the projects that use your GPU, and it'll work itself out.
9) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Displaying Console Window Instead of Project Animation (Message 113772)
Posted 15 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Years and dates on executables just mean they haven't changed in years and are still doing correct work for that application. If the project deems them unnecessary, the project will remove them automatically and replace them with newer versions. The 6.04 application is a beta application, so I would expect the developers to be more active on getting reports in of problems with it or any part of the application.
10) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Displaying Console Window Instead of Project Animation (Message 113766)
Posted 11 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Looks to me like Rosetta starts its tasks through that console window, and as you say, it can't find a certain executable. Maybe the graphics executable.
Not really a BOINC problem, but a project problem. Have you tried looking it up on their forums, or reporting it there?
What happens when you close the console window, does the task continue to run, or does it err?
If you look in the \projects\boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta directory in your BOINC Data directory, does it have that rosetta executable and is it an exe file? Is it the right version number for the tasks app?
11) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.24.3 released for Mac (Message 113744)
Posted 8 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Thanks for the update, Charlie.
12) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Issue (Message 113715)
Posted 3 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Use of GPUs is a per project preference, so if you don't want to use the GPU and you have multiple projects, make sure to uncheck using the GPU at all the projects.
13) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Issue (Message 113710)
Posted 2 Mar 2024 by Profile Jord
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Web preferences.
Go to the project website, your preferences, Project preferences and uncheck use of the GPU(s) there, then save the page and have BOINC contact the project.
14) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 113703)
Posted 29 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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Hairy Bikers chef, Dave Myers, 66.
15) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC issue running on Raspberry Pi 5 booting from SSD. (Message 113689)
Posted 26 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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Looks to me like a screen corruption, perhaps video driver corruption. Does it only happens when BOINC runs, or on use of other programs as well?
16) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't Understand why this is being reported (Message 113675)
Posted 24 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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You have two Nvidia GPUs. BOINC uses only the best of the same brand GPUs, when more than 1 is in the system and detected. The other one will be ignored. Because you don't have anything in cc_config.xml, BOINC follows those preferences.

If you want to use both GPUs, add the following to your cc_config.xml file.

<cc_config>
   <options>
       <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
   </options>
</cc_config>


You can make a cc_config.xml file with Notepad (if Windows).
Add the above, then save as an all files option, so it doesn't end in .txt
Save to your BOINC Data directory.

A restart of the BOINC client is required to make use of this.
17) Message boards : Questions and problems : I do not understand this message (Message 113674)
Posted 24 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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It is a notice, not an error message. I think you can ignore it.
It'll probably be visible because you added a debug flag to the Event Log Flags window.
If it doesn't interfere with the running of BOINC, just ignore it.
18) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 113668)
Posted 23 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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Odysseus landed and seems to be okay.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68377730
19) Message boards : Questions and problems : I do not understand this message (Message 113667)
Posted 23 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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According to the source code notes:
// It is possible that computing (CPU or GPU) could be suspended indefinitely if the idle time required before continuing computing is longer than the time required to suspend computing when the computer is idle.  In this case an alert message will be sent.
20) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 113664)
Posted 22 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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Let me put it here: Maanlander Nova C (IM-1) is going to land on the moon.
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqFS0IcOrDo

"Flight controllers chose to exercise an additional orbit before starting the IM-1 Mission landing sequence. The new anticipated landing time is 1724 CST. (00:24 u CET)
We expect the landing stream to start on the IM-1 web page and NASA TV at 1600 CST. The content on both streams is identical."
21) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 113651)
Posted 21 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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New one valid until Tue, 21 May 2024 20:19:42 GMT
22) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 113648)
Posted 21 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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Well great.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/

Peer’s Certificate has expired.

HTTP Strict Transport Security: false
HTTP Public Key Pinning: false
I emailed it to David.
23) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Mini PC Kamuri AM08Pro (Message 113646)
Posted 20 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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I have Asteroids@home, Einstein@home, and Milkyway@home running. I have run Boinc for most of 20 years so it has few mysteries.
Yet apparently you missed out on that the projects you run, do not use VirtualBox. (See the supported platforms at the supported projects)
Also, tasks run through VirtualBox run only on the CPU, they do not use the GPU, because of driver restrictions. The same driver restrictions you run into when using a virtual desktop, running BOINC as a service, or connect via remote desktop.

So, since your projects don't use VB, it's not needed to install the BOINC version with VB included.
24) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 113637)
Posted 17 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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I stumbled over yet another interesting Youtube channel.

Its description: "Cambrian Chronicles is the number one Welsh and Brythonic history YouTube channel"
https://www.youtube.com/@CambrianChronicles
25) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 113568)
Posted 8 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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This site was down for at least an hour, as well. So probably something happening over there. Server movement?
I can't get http://ucbsystems.org/ to load anything useful, either.
26) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where is the cc_config.xml file suppose to live? (Message 113540)
Posted 3 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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Tried setting prefferences again and it doesn't change the file.
Which preferences did you try to change?
cc_config.xml holds debug flags and advanced options for running of apps, making log files and steering of GPUs. It does not hold the preferences from the preferences menu or the website. Those are stored in global_pref.xml (for preferences from the website) and global_prefs_override.xml (for preferences from BOINC Manager).
27) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel 12/13/14-gen processors working some like 10% math power (Message 113537)
Posted 3 Feb 2024 by Profile Jord
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If it's anything like Android, BOINC will only use the efficiency cores, not the performance cores as these are reserved for the operating system. You'd have to take that up with Intel and Microsoft to get that changed.

As for your other problem, we do have some rules around here for when it comes to the user asking for help, that they give all the information they can to get the helpers going. Looks like no one was interested.
See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=8600
28) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 113484)
Posted 28 Jan 2024 by Profile Jord
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Something we're all prone to as we get older!
Speaking for yourself? Remember what you ate last night? ;-)
29) Message boards : GPUs : nvidia not getting used but onboard intel card is (Message 113433)
Posted 23 Jan 2024 by Profile Jord
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Actually, the first thing to do, is to check with the projects you run, that:
1) they have support for your GPU
2) you chose to run the right applications for this GPU
3) that they have work for these applications

Second thing is to check drivers. Maybe Windows in its overzealous desire, installed newer drivers without cuda or opencl support, or your system is waiting for a reboot for these drivers to take on.

The cc_config.xml setting is only used when you have two different models of the same brand GPU in your system, that you both want to use.

The rest of the time, these problems come down to drivers, project support and availability of tasks.
30) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running while Suspended (Message 113412)
Posted 21 Jan 2024 by Profile Jord
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Please post the first 30-40 lines of your BOINC Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) after a BOINC client start.
Also, check that your client (boinc.exe) starts up without any command line attributes added.
31) Message boards : GPUs : Quad GPU rig only fully utilizes 2 GPUs - power saving down to PCIe 1.1 (Message 113374)
Posted 15 Jan 2024 by Profile Jord
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Do you have a cc_config.xml file and if yes, what's in it?
If it doesn't have the <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus> option enabled in the <options> section, make sure it is enabled.
See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration for more information about this file.

If you do not have a cc_config.xml file, you can make a fully filled one by going BOINC Manager, Options menu, Event Log options, and without changing anything, click Save.
A full cc_config.xml file with the <use_all_gpus> option pre-enabled (<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>) will be added to your data directory. All you now have to do is restart your BOINC client, and all your GPUs will be available for use.
32) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 113361)
Posted 12 Jan 2024 by Profile Jord
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Windows 10 lovers, better watch out. Microsoft released an update which won't download and install, because it installs to the Windows Recovery partition, which is too small for the update. So Microsoft wants you - the end-user- to manually increase the size of your WinRE partition, even if your company has 1,000s of computers. No mentions of what could go wrong, no mentions of backing up your data. Best not do anything, let them fix it themselves. So, if you see KB5034441 sit there, don't worry. Don't do anything about it!

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-kb5034441-security-update-fails-with-0x80070643-errors/
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5028997-instructions-to-manually-resize-your-partition-to-install-the-winre-update-400faa27-9343-461c-ada9-24c8229763bf
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5034957-updating-the-winre-partition-on-deployed-devices-to-address-security-vulnerabilities-in-cve-2024-20666-0190331b-1ca3-42d8-8a55-7fc406910c10
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1947we0/windows_10_kb5034441_security_update_fails_with/
33) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 113345)
Posted 5 Jan 2024 by Profile Jord
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Glynis Johns, British actress, 100.
34) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy New Year (Message 113336)
Posted 31 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Have a good 2024.
May all your wishes and wants come true.
35) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 113333)
Posted 31 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Tom Wilkinson, British actor, 75
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/dec/30/full-monty-actor-tom-wilkinson-dies-aged-75

Gil de Ferran, motorsports legend, 56
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.former-mclaren-sporting-director-indy-500-winner-gil-de-ferran-dies.1LclYzs3FxA262y12kjdmH.html
36) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7.24.1 (64bit) (Message 113332)
Posted 28 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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This is not a BOINC problem but a crash of the wrapper app that SiDock uses. You're better off reporting it on their forums.
https://www.sidock.si/sidock/forum_index.php
37) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to delete BOINC account (Message 113324)
Posted 26 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Check your spam folder. We get reports quite a bit of the *.berkeley.edu emails go to spam, these days.
38) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 113317)
Posted 24 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Merry Christmas all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx69pbFYDAY
39) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 113313)
Posted 23 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Grumble... wonder if this is happening to anyone else on Gmail or other mail systems???
Guess why I am so late in responding to spam reports. ;-)
40) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 113306)
Posted 20 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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https://t.co/YpVQcYXvAF

December 31, 2023 will be the last day to submit your name to travel on board Europa Clipper as it journeys 1.8 billion miles to explore Europa Moon.
41) Message boards : Questions and problems : netbsd client location ? (Message 113281)
Posted 14 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Your other problem will be to find a project that still has applications that run on that old hardware. I don't think there are any.
It's a 32bit CPU, isn't it? And an early one? 1997? I would do other things with it. There are channels on Youtube showing old hardware with period correct operating systems and programs and games.
42) Message boards : Questions and problems : when adding a second machine/client , can I just copy the project config files from the first client (Message 113275)
Posted 13 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Isn't that only of concern with exactly the same hardware?
43) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 113270)
Posted 13 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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American actor Andre Braugher, 61.
44) Message boards : Questions and problems : when adding a second machine/client , can I just copy the project config files from the first client (Message 113269)
Posted 13 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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The file controlling which projects you added and all is client_state.xml, you can copy this file to another computer and that computer will then immediately have the projects added that the first computer has.
45) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Computing suspended because processor usage is high" (Message 113249)
Posted 10 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Preferences when set via a project's website, are global. This means that you set them at one project and they will propagate to all other projects, if and when BOINC contacts them.

As for not receiving emails, if the help given by computezrmle doesn't fix things, check your email's Spam folder. My notifications from boinc.berkeley.edu arrive in there as well.
46) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 113243)
Posted 8 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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Ryan O'Neal dies at 82
47) Message boards : Questions and problems : Whats the staus of SPARC CPU jobs? (Message 113232)
Posted 5 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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A handful of projects had applications for the Sun Fire CPUs, where the application was ported and built by a user, but he's no longer maintaining them, or the projects can't use the applications anymore due to incompatibilities, or the projects died out.
48) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 113230)
Posted 5 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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It's coming.
It's looking 😍

The official GTA 6 trailer dropped
https://youtu.be/QdBZY2fkU-0
49) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 113218)
Posted 3 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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I want one. Though what will I backup onto it first?
https://www.techradar.com/pro/video-of-ceramic-storage-system-prototype-surfaces-online-10000tb-cartridges-bombarded-with-laser-rays-could-become-mainstream-by-2030-making-slow-hard-drives-and-tapes-obsolete
50) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager bug. (Message 113213)
Posted 2 Dec 2023 by Profile Jord
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There are no specific language versions of BOINC Manager. Instead, BOINC Manager uses a language.po file, which gets its language updates from https://explore.transifex.com/boinc/boinc/, which is a site where users can update the language files.

Just saying, you can wait for the Norwegian updater to fix the typo, or you can make an account there and check if the typo is still in the newest version of the Norwegian translation, and if so, fix it yourself. Then it'll be updated in a future version of BOINC.
51) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 113166)
Posted 24 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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We had 22 parties we could choose from these last elections, of which only 15 managed to get enough votes for seats.
How these parties will now continue, you can best read at https://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/elections, which is a lengthy process, can take a year.
52) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 113157)
Posted 22 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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Nah. Let's first see if the PVV gets into government, as almost all other (bigger) parties have ruled out to govern with them.
It should be a wake-up call, though. Because if they ignore this party and go form government without it, then the following elections, the PVV will become even bigger. Especially with these hateful flags being flown in demonstrations in the streets.
53) Message boards : Web interfaces : the_sci - Spam on multiple projects from the same user (Message 113133)
Posted 18 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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As you can read, this year they have a disclaimer about who they are, with a link and all.
They've probably posted it on all projects. If you still don't trust who they are or what they do, then just ignore them.
They've posted the same thing in the Projects sub-forum here.
54) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc deleting my profile multiple times (Message 113121)
Posted 17 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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You mean you set up a profile on this website, your profile and then View/edit profile?
Because if you do, that profile will only be set up on this website, it won't propagate to other project websites.
You have to set up your profile separately at all the projects that you want to have it at. We did have an automated website for that, but it was flooded with spammers, so it's been taken down.
55) Message boards : Questions and problems : Only 1 out of seven projects reporting work (Message 113110)
Posted 15 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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But I want to know what is happening with the other projects.
BOINC Manager -> View ->Advanced view -> Tasks tab. You can check which Projects have work here, and which are being worked on.
56) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 113093)
Posted 13 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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Confirmed. David Cameron is the new foreign secretary. Means he’s going to the Lords.
Congrats.
57) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not running (Message 113079)
Posted 12 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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Go to options>computing preferences>disk
Yeah, but he's using the preferences from the project, so best advise him to change things there. This so that the user always knows where to go back to. And else explain that you are pointing them to the local preferences and that these overrule all the same preferences set via the project website.
58) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not running (Message 113078)
Posted 12 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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Couple of things.
Your system only has Asteroids@Home added, none of the rest.
11/10/2023 8:17:50 AM | Asteroids@home | URL https://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/; Computer ID 755748; resource share 100

Why set these?
11/10/2023 8:17:50 AM | | - max download rate: 51200 bytes/sec
11/10/2023 8:17:50 AM | | - max upload rate: 51200 bytes/sec
11/10/2023 8:17:50 AM | | - max disk usage: 0.00 GB
Not just have you set your maximum disk usage to zero - zero here being zero, not zero here being unlimited - but why also download and upload rates of just 51.2 Kbytes/sec? Are you on dialup?

Anyhoo, BOINC does exactly what you ask it to: you don't want to store work, as you've set your disk usage preferences to zero.
So it asks for work, but won't get any, because it can't store it.
11/10/2023 8:58:45 AM | Asteroids@home | Message from server: Period Search Application needs 95.37MB more disk space. You currently have 0.00 MB available and it needs 95.37 MB.


My advice?
Set your BOINC preferences to default settings at the Asteroids project. Because now you've got bad preferences. Best start again.
It's okay to test things, but keep in mind what you add/change and if that doesn't work, change it again. I certainly would put a value - say 100 GB - into the max disk usage value, and preferably set the upload and download rates to something a little higher than what you have, especially if the tasks are big.
59) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 113076)
Posted 12 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12738691/Suella-Braverman-right-biased-woke-policing-know-Im-officer-line.html
Suella Braverman was right to accuse police chiefs of 'double standards' in how they tackle different protests. And I should know – because for the past decade I have served as an officer on the Met's frontline.
60) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not running (Message 113072)
Posted 12 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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In Windows, the easiest way to start BOINC Manager is via the Start menu. Start->search for BOINC in the list of programs->BOINC Manager.
Once that has started, maybe turn on Advanced view. In BOINC Manager go to View menu -> Advanced view.
CTRL+SHIFT+E opens the event log. Can you please copy & post the first 30 or so messages from here?
61) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not running (Message 113069)
Posted 12 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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I received a notice that BOINC is not running.

All I can tell you is the message I see on my monitor is "No tasks running".

You're giving contradicting information.
A notice in BOINC Manager that BOINC isn't running indicates that the BOINC Manager is running, but the BOINC client isn't.
A notice in Windows that BOINC isn't running, indicates that neither the client nor the manager are running.
A message (where? In BOINC Manager?) that no tasks are running, indicates that you're out of work. Maybe the 4 projects you added don't have work, or don't have work for the hardware you chose.

You say you ran BOINC for years, so you should know the difference between the BOINC client and the Manager, and you should know how to tell us in detail what you see, where you see this and more, so we can help you correctly.
62) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows interupted installation (Message 113068)
Posted 12 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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1. Press CTRL + ALT + DEL and open the Task Manager.
2. Click More Details in the bottom-left corner.
3. On the Processes tab, click to select Windows Installer under Background processes.
4. Click the End Task button.
63) Message boards : GPUs : GPU detection failed after system restart (Message 113039)
Posted 5 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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Can i expect the client autostart delay option to appear directly in the manager settings?
I don't think it ever will. Primarily because BOINC can't write directly to Windows startup options, the task scheduler or the registry. That wouldn't be very secure, if it could. And I don't feel it's so much a BOINC problem either, but more that of a slow drivers loading problem on your system.
64) Message boards : GPUs : GPU detection failed after system restart (Message 113037)
Posted 4 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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You can uninstall BOINC, then reinstall it without the autostart option checked, then add BOINC to the Windows Task Scheduler and have it start 2 minutes after system boot up, to allow for all drivers to load correctly.
65) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can using BOINC get me banned from some games ? (Message 113032)
Posted 2 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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No, me neither. What you can try though is ask the developers at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues if they can be of help, with giving you data on what files BOINC (and science applications) writes, writes to and such, that you can send back to the Tech Support at LOL to get your account there back.
66) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can using BOINC get me banned from some games ? (Message 113029)
Posted 2 Nov 2023 by Profile Jord
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I've never heard of it. And if it would've happened before, I would think someone would have complained, here, or in Reddit, or directly at the developers in Github. I've just done a quick search in Reddit and Github and found nothing. I don't have to search here, as it's never been asked before.

What files does the game think BOINC can edit?
67) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112994)
Posted 26 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
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Congrats, Dr. Anderson with your - if my math is correct - 68th birthday.
68) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112990)
Posted 25 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
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Richard Roundtree: Shaft actor dies at 81
69) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 112976)
Posted 23 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
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How long does the letter burn for? Can you last all winter with it?
70) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 112946)
Posted 17 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
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There'dn't've, teaching you some English https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZyZFa5qO0
71) Message boards : BOINC client : "Suspend GPU computing when computer is in use" ignored (Message 112927)
Posted 14 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
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No, but we're investigating the CPU suspend problem in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=15115 (for Windows).
72) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112921)
Posted 13 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I try to use the pickup point in the mall next door as much as possible, but not all websites allow for a pickup point to be used, or for that pickup point to be used. I had one where I had the choice between delivery at home, or pickup at our warehouse some 300 kilometers that way. Uhm. Well....
73) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112915)
Posted 13 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've had several times that I order something on Friday afternoon, site says "ordered before midnight, next day delivered". I get an email that it's being packaged. I next get an email that it's waiting for pickup. And then on Tuesday (!!) I get an email that it's picked up and coming my way, delivery estimate somewhere the next day, between 08:00 and 18:00. They usually arrive around 14:30, but it's been times that at 22:00 it's still not arrived, the "estimated time of delivery" is crossed out, and a next email comes in with an estimated delivery time of the whole next day. Please stay at home, will ya?
74) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.24.1 fails to adhere to suspend settings (Message 112908)
Posted 13 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I ask for the test as there's a change in 7.24.1, that says "the default value for the "suspend_if_no_recent_input" pref is 0, not 60".
Btw, if it works as is when you reset the value to off and back on, when then does it stop working again?
75) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.24.1 fails to adhere to suspend settings (Message 112900)
Posted 12 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you test something?
Set <suspend_if_no_recent_input>0.000000</suspend_if_no_recent_input> to 1 minute? That's the equivalent for option "'In use' means mouse or keyboard input in last N minutes", in the settings.
76) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112889)
Posted 11 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.livescience.com/space/astronomy/james-webb-space-telescope-spots-dozens-of-physics-breaking-rogue-objects-floating-through-space-in-pairs
Astronomers spotted Jupiter-mass binary objects (JUMBOs) in the Orion constellation, and they don't know how the objects formed.
77) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 112886)
Posted 11 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Brussels has given Elon Musk until midnight to get a grip on the gruesome Hamas attack imagery flooding X — or face the full force of Europe's new social media rules."
https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1712107468703117515

Yeah, because censorship is such a good weapon against the atrocities committed by Hamas and Israel!
78) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.24.1 fails to adhere to suspend settings (Message 112881)
Posted 10 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project(s) is this with?
What are your suspend settings? Can you post the contents of your global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml files?
79) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Screensaver under MacOS 14 Sonoma (Message 112862)
Posted 8 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got a mail from Charlie Fenton, the Mac developer.

Apple has released a new version of their operating system, and once again it has broken the BOINC screensaver. There are at least two problems:

* The BOINC installer doesn't set BOINC as the screensaver.

* The most serious problem: After the screensaver runs, the entire screen stays black after you move the mouse, press a key, etc. If this happens, the best workaround I've found so far is to hold down the command and shift keys while pressing Q to log out of the system, then log back in.

BOINC users who have BOINC set as their screensaver should change to a different screensaver until I can release a new version that fixes these issues. To do this, they can select "System Settings" from the Apple menu, then select "Screen Savers" from the left side of the window that appears, then click on any other screensaver.

David posted it in the News as well, but I thought to post all of the information here.
80) Message boards : Questions and problems : Improving implementation of components associated with the function “RPC_CLIENT::get_reply” (Message 112805)
Posted 5 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is it that you're trying to accomplish?

You had a question for the developers, but when they asked you for more information, you refused to give them anything.
You thought you knew much more about this software than the people who programmed it.
You went as far as becoming the first person ever (that I know of) to be banished from the development channels.
And still you want to discuss the program, its underlying software etc. while you clearly show to know nothing about it, and have no desire to learn about it.

Why?
81) Message boards : Questions and problems : Reconsidering run time characteristics of the function call “XOpenDisplay(":0")” (Message 112800)
Posted 3 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
It turned out after experimentation that the script worked if I started my script in /hdd/boinc-client (my choice of BOINC data directory), but not in the location I'd used previously.
Yes, it's the same under Windows. You have to start the parts of BOINC in the directory they're in, not from another directory, while linking to it with a full path. I think it will work if you add both of the directory's paths to the %PATH% environment variable.
82) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112794)
Posted 2 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why haven’t we found aliens? A physicist shares the most popular theories. | Brian Cox
83) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112793)
Posted 2 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Astrum - How Light Travels Faster Than the Speed of Light
84) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112792)
Posted 2 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
The largest telescope that will ever be built*, by Tom Scott, about the Very Large Telescope and the Extremely Large Telescope in Chili.
85) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112785)
Posted 1 Oct 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
To me. :)
86) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112776)
Posted 29 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah that requires a specific order. Hide post first. Hide title next. Then delete the post. If I just hide the title, or delete the post without hiding it first, the time isn't adjusted. Which is what happened there. Sorry. 😉
87) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112773)
Posted 29 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
James Webb telescope spots thousands of Milky Way lookalikes that 'shouldn't exist' swarming across the early universe
88) Message boards : The Lounge : No commercial advertisements. (Message 112772)
Posted 29 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, the site I link to doesn't sell all kinds of third party books via Amazon and other places and makes this their prime intent.
Second, the site I point to is the actual Skinwalker Ranch site. They do have a shop, yes, but the main idea for the site isn't commercial intent. Their insider program may be by subscription, but then what isn't these days? (And I have the feeling that at the time I posted that link, the Insider program was free)
And third, if you feel the moderator (me) did you wrong, you can complain about it to my boss. His email address can be found via https://boinc.berkeley.edu/moderation.php
89) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112768)
Posted 28 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.universetoday.com/163385/its-official-no-more-astronomy-at-arecibo/

It’s Official. No More Astronomy at Arecibo
90) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112764)
Posted 28 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sir Michael Gambon dies aged 82
91) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.24.1 - error when communicating with Account Manager (Message 112749)
Posted 24 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
If when returning to a previous version the problem insists, that AM is probably down at this moment. I must say, I never heard of that AM.
92) Message boards : Questions and problems : gstate.init() fails error code 192 (Message 112733)
Posted 22 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you tried changing the read-only attribute of the client_state.xml file?
93) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU computing suspended Computer still downloads GPU tasks (Message 112727)
Posted 21 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe if your cache was full of GPU tasks, but not when there's still tasks missing according to your work request. A suspended GPU only tells BOINC that there is a reasonable chance it will get resumed at a later time, and at that time, BOINC will want to have enough work in cache for it. Only by telling BOINC that you do not want to use the GPU, do you tell it not to download work for it.
94) Message boards : Questions and problems : gstate.init() fails error code 192 (Message 112726)
Posted 21 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
client_state.xml is replaced by a read-only version


EXIT_STATEFILE_WRITE 192 - The client will exit if it cannot write to the client_state.xml file. Make sure you have permission to write to the BOINC Data directory.
95) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112710)
Posted 20 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nasa satellite flies through ECM, captures footage and survives:
https://mashable.com/article/sun-solar-ejection-nasa-footage
96) Message boards : Android : Annoying bug (Message 112705)
Posted 18 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Known bug, see #5305 for progress on its development.
97) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't REMOVE Project (Message 112702)
Posted 18 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
When a project is greyed out, you have added it via an account manager, like Science United or BAM!
You'll have to go to the website of the used account manager and remove the project via there, then sync that to BOINC.
98) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager won't display from Taskbar (Message 112700)
Posted 18 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you sure you picked the BOINC Manager app from the programs listed in the BOINC directory? There are several there, all with the same icon.
boinc.exe is the client (no GUI).
boinccmd.exe is the command line/terminal command app (no GUI).
boincmgr.exe is the BOINC Manager app, the only one with a GUI.

However, if BOINC Manager is already running, as in available in the System Tray, you cannot start it again by clicking the BOINC icon in the Taskbar. You then have to open BOINC using the icon in the System Tray.
99) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 112695)
Posted 14 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let's drop it in here.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-66810538

Nasa promises transparency as it steps up UFO research

Summary

* Nasa officials have been speaking about a newly-published, lengthy study into hundreds of reports of UFOs - or UAPs, as it calls them
* It says most UFO sightings have been explained, but there are a few that are not "known human-made or natural phenomena"
* Nasa says there is no reason to conclude that extra-terrestrial sources are behind the UAPs, but it also cannot rule out that possibility
* The organisation says it wants to create a "roadmap" for future study and wants to move from "sensationalism to science" - which has pledged to do transparently
* The report details how artificial intelligence could be used to investigate future sightings
* It says it's important for national security and air safety - 16 of the world's leading data and AI scientists have worked on the study
100) Message boards : Questions and problems : Apple ARM Support? (Message 112689)
Posted 14 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Several projects have applications for "Mac OS running on ARM", look for that in their applications list. These run on the CPU only AFAIK.
101) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112647)
Posted 6 Sep 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Planet Nine being sighted?
https://www.space.com/earth-like-planet-hiding-in-outer-solar-system
102) Message boards : GPUs : Not all GPUs running. 3 GPUs only 2 running. (Message 112603)
Posted 30 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post the whole contents of the cc_config.xml file.
103) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112582)
Posted 24 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://newatlas.com/space/neutron-images-find-zinc-culprit-arecibo-radio-telescope-collapse/

Almost three years after the event, neutron scans by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory have uncovered the cause of the platform collapse that resulted in the destruction of the 1,000-ft (300-m) Arecibo Observatory radio telescope.
104) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 112581)
Posted 24 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://newatlas.com/space/neutron-images-find-zinc-culprit-arecibo-radio-telescope-collapse/

Almost three years after the event, neutron scans by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory have uncovered the cause of the platform collapse that resulted in the destruction of the 1,000-ft (300-m) Arecibo Observatory radio telescope.

As part of this effort, Adrian Brügger, director of Columbia University’s Robert A. W. Carleton Strength of Materials Laboratory, took whole sections of the failed cable sockets, complete with cables and socket liners, and subjected them to neutron scans at Oak Ridge's High Flux Isotope Reactor (HFIR).

In the case of Arecibo, the scans allowed Brügger to make cross section images of the cable sockets and determine which cables slipped and by how much, even if they were still buried inside the zinc lining. What became apparent was that as cables were subject to the stress of supporting the platform they began to fray. This, in turn, caused the zinc to flow under the tension. Eventually, the zinc flowed so much that the sockets failed and the cables were pulled out entirely.

Exactly how much of this slippage occurred before or during the event could not be determined. What is known is that two cables failed before the collapse, with a third failure causing the platform to fall.
105) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can the "slots" folder in the Data directory be located on a seperate drive? (Message 112577)
Posted 23 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can anyone tell me whether there is a way to put the "slots" folder only onto a different drive (e.g. Ramdisk)?
No. The slots directory is part of the data directory, either move all of it, or nothing. The client looks for the slots directory inside the data directory, and if there's none yet, it makes one there. There's no way to instruct the client to put the slots directory outside the data directory in another place, without rewriting the client.
106) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112572)
Posted 21 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cyber attackers are targeting National Science Foundation (NSF) telescopes, and no one knows why.
According to Science.org, since the beginning of August, an unknown “cyber incident” has disrupted an NSF center tasked with coordinating international astronomy efforts. The attacks have disconnected telescopes in Hawaii and Chile, preventing scientists from conducting research during important observation windows.
107) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112571)
Posted 21 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adobe co-founder John Warnock dies at 82
108) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning, now connection problem? (Message 112568)
Posted 20 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
🥳🎂
Congratulations 👏🏼

A space before or after the password will also give trouble.

But that said, let's put it down to finicky computers. 😂
109) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning, now connection problem? (Message 112566)
Posted 20 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your next action should have been to run the 'attach to project' wizard, and follow the steps with the email and password appropriate to the project - not your BOINC name/password. Unfortunately, those steps are not reported in the BOINC message log until the whole process is complete.
True. Make absolutely sure you type the password correctly, as I am not sure if BOINC will give an error message if that's wrong. AFAIK it gives a generic "cannot connect" message.

I usually type in my password into Notepad and copy it again from there for each paste. Or, since I have all my logins stored in a password manager, copy it directly from there.
110) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning, now connection problem? (Message 112560)
Posted 19 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there anything more that the log wrote? As we're still in the middle of negotiating. BOINC is sending information to the project and receiving information, like a cookie.
111) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning, now connection problem? (Message 112555)
Posted 19 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you open BOINC Manager, Options, Event Log Options, check http_debug, Save.
Then try to add a project.
Then copy and post the whole log.

This is quite a big log, don't worry. We need it all.
112) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112554)
Posted 19 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02503-x

Arecibo Observatory Shuts Down Its Science

After weathering hurricanes, earthquakes, budget cuts and a pandemic-induced shutdown, the iconic Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico closed its doors on 14 August. After its main instrument collapsed two years ago, the site was supposed to shift from carrying out astronomy and other research to being a science education centre. But concrete plans for that have yet to materialize — and funding for current operations has run out.
113) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning, now connection problem? (Message 112551)
Posted 18 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
On my router I set up the ports that a quick search seemed to indicate boinc and boincmgr utilize to pass through to the specific computer I am trying to run on.
You shouldn't need to do that, as ports 80 (http) and 443 (https) are standard passed through on any router, else your browsers can't connect to the internet. Any other port number, like 31416, is used for communication between the BOINC client and the manager. This port can be set in your Windows firewall, but only if you have trouble connecting the client to the manager.

Can you exit & restart BOINC, then try to make contact to a project and post the log messages (CTRL+Shift+E) from start to after the failed connection?
114) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning, now connection problem? (Message 112549)
Posted 18 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, please tell us which BOINC version you use.
And check things like VPN, proxy, corporate firewall.
115) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112546)
Posted 17 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sir Michael Parkinson has died, aged 88
116) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Android: Problems with suspension of computation and network (Message 112545)
Posted 17 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Vitalii Koshura, lead BOINC developer wrote:
Modern Android version limit a lot applications background activity. There is not much we can do about this. Important to note, such limitations are different for different device manufacturers (I may assume this hardly depends on the hardware, but I'm not sure), and sometime even manually adding application to the exceptions in the Battery Optimizations list doesn't help a lot since OS kernel might kill the application when it's not used by the user (screen is off, no any user interactions with the device).
I observe this behavior on both of my Xiaomi devices and have no such issues on my Samsung Galaxy device.
Battery Optimization Mode will be handled in #4420.
Case no. 4 will be handled in #5305.

117) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Android: Problems with suspension of computation and network (Message 112542)
Posted 16 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Transfer tasks on WiFi only (unchecked - there's no SIM anyway)
Which is exactly the situation that brings up a user requested suspend of network, because you didn't stipulate any to use. The code isn't as intuitive that BOINC will think "hmmm 🤔 the user didn't set a network type, and there is no SIM, so let me use whatever is available anyway."

Just set the network type.
118) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.24 Change Log (Message 112521)
Posted 13 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.24.1

  • improve implementation of CPU throttling
  • the default value for the "suspend_if_no_recent_input" pref is 0, not 60
  • if sched request fails, show the scheduler URL (that might be the problem)
  • Show alert if idle time to resume computing is greater than idle time to suspend computing
  • ignore old prefs sent by projects or AM
  • avoid overscheduling CPUs in presence of MT jobs
  • Manager: computing prefs dialog bug
  • Manager: Add button in event log to display only alerts (errors)
  • Manager: Improve consistency of control labels and accelerators
  • Manager: Show native names for language options, and only those for which translations are available
  • Android: if suspend because of battery heat or charge, don't resume for at least 5 minutes.
  • Mac: Support Dark Mode in Advanced View
  • Mac: Add standard command-comma shortcut for Preferences menu item



BOINC client 7.24.1 available for testing, can be downloaded from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php.
Report your test results at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Thanks for your help testing BOINC, and thanks to Vitalii Koshura and Charlie Fenton for their hard work in making this release.

119) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112513)
Posted 9 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robbie Robertson, Leader of The Band, Dies at 80
Guitarist-songwriter-singer Robbie Robertson, who led the Canadian-American group the Band to rock prominence in the 1970s and worked extensively with Bob Dylan and Martin Scorsese, has died. He was 80.
120) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112506)
Posted 7 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.iflscience.com/is-the-oldest-known-star-really-older-than-the-universe-70082

The star HD 140283 has been called the "Methuselah star" for its extreme age. At an estimated over 14 billion years old, it’s the oldest star we know, at least within our galaxy.

The standard estimate of the time since the Big Bang is 13.79 billion years. The figure is derived from the rate of expansion of the universe using Einstein's relativity but has been validated through a variety of methods. However, that number is now facing at least three distinct challenges. As evidence, proponents point to the existence of stars estimated to be either older than 13.8 billion years, or so close to that age that there shouldn’t have been time for them to form.
121) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing GPU due to running remote desktop under Windows 11 (Message 112465)
Posted 6 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need to reinstall anything.
When you use remote desktop, you use Microsoft's own drivers via the remote desktop application. It doesn't affect your own drivers.
As soon as you drop out of the Remote Desktop app you return to using your own drivers, and BOINC will be able to use the GPU again.

A workaround is using a third party app, like RealVNC or TeamViewer. These use the user's drivers.
122) Message boards : Questions and problems : "This version of BOINC requires MacOS 10.9 or later." (Message 112452)
Posted 4 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers ask for you (or someone else with a version lower than MacOS 10.13.0) to test the download site https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php again, to see if it's now fixed for you.

With thanks.
123) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112444)
Posted 3 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just watched Star Trek Strange New Worlds, season 2, episode 9, Subspace Rhapsody. In one word: Awesome.
Highly recommended, even if you don't like your favourite show, to do a musical.

The earlier S02 E07 · Those Old Scientists, a cross-over with Lower Decks - the animated show - was also a lot of fun.
Thus far, SNW is my favourite Star Trek series.
124) Message boards : Questions and problems : "This version of BOINC requires MacOS 10.9 or later." (Message 112441)
Posted 3 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the developers: #5317.
With thanks for noticing this and reporting it to us.
125) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112423)
Posted 1 Aug 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Angus Cloud: Euphoria actor who played 'Fez' dead aged 25
126) Message boards : Questions and problems : Strange Behavior - Even amounts of "Work done" credit/Slow validation/Low GPU usage (Message 112401)
Posted 29 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Problem: I don't think my BOINC Is working correctly.
Looks to me that it's doing what it should do. BOINC downloads work for you, schedules for it to run, uploads the finished tasks and reports them. That, in a nutshell, is what BOINC does: it's a manager of the work appointed to you by the project.

All the rest, waiting for validation, validating of work, the giving of credits, etc. is all things the project, in this case Einstein@Home, handles.
Einstein also works with two tasks per workunit being sent out, where validation waits until both tasks are returned correctly, before credit is doled out. If your computer races through tasks, while the computers that do the same tasks are running slower (by doing the tasks on the CPU for instance), then it takes a while for them to return the same work, before it's compared against each other, validated and credit given out.

Not everyone's computer is on 24/7.
Some people now shut down their systems because it's too hot, or they go on vacation. BOINC doesn't know that ahead of time, it can't look into the future mindset of anyone. So these people may have work on their computers that's waiting. That will now have to wait until they turn on their systems again, or until the work has timed out (met the deadline) and needs to be sent out again to another computer, and all the while your BOINC is waiting for a message back from the project whether that work cleared yet or not.

So. BOINC works as it should.
The project probably works as it should as well.
Your co-competitors though...
127) Message boards : Android : Accessing Boinc folder (Message 112364)
Posted 25 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
The directory is ./data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc
That's root/data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc with the second data directory structure hidden (and thus the BOINC directory as well).

But as said, even with the phone rooted, you will not be able to access it. Android's too well secured for that. Follow Dave's advice on resetting projects.
128) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects window will not display projects names columns (Message 112340)
Posted 23 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure the column isn't closed. Hover with your mouse over the bar where it shows Account, Team etc. and see if you have the left&right arrows that show you can resize the bar. If you do, grab on here and move the mouse to the right, to see if your Projects column now opens. Try other places on the bar as well, in case you changed the order of things.

If you don't know, then open regedit, navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager\Projects and make sure that the value of the Projects key called Width is more than 0; 90 (144) is a reasonable value.
129) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112335)
Posted 22 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Josephine Chaplin, actor and daughter of Charlie Chaplin, dies aged 74
130) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112329)
Posted 21 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Famed US hacker Kevin Mitnick dies aged 59
131) Message boards : Questions and problems : Output file for task absent (Message 112327)
Posted 21 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Output file for task absent" is a science application error. Check the output file for the task at the project to see if it gives any clues as to why the science application cannot write the status file.
132) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112322)
Posted 20 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory... for these people. Who are overqualified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q plays the Marble Machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UYgORr5Qhg is a Babymetal drummer. Yeah. It is what it is.
133) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 112317)
Posted 20 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something in space has been lighting up every 20 minutes since 1988
We have no explanations for this sort of slow repeat.
134) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112296)
Posted 16 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Singer and actress Jane Birkin dead at 76.
135) Message boards : Questions and problems : Daily scheduling (Message 112280)
Posted 10 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Addendum, times then being 18:00 in the first option and 15:00 in the second. It'll count through midnight automatically.
136) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112276)
Posted 9 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
A chaotic poem about English pronunciation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfhKldRKmo8

Tomorrow you'll have an oral examination.
137) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 112265)
Posted 7 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh it's a good thing, because this cabinet wasn't sitting there for us, but only for themselves. All their plans that no one asked for. No solutions to all the big problems the same cabinet had caused in a previous life and wanted to solve. Nah, good riddance. Now to make sure they don't squirrely come back.
138) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 112263)
Posted 7 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our Dutch Government has fallen: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66139789
139) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7.18.1+dfdg-4 (Message 112261)
Posted 7 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thought 7.18 was the version that only worked on Android?
Yup, it's specifically designed and developed for Android only, it's even in a branch called Android and still Linux developers use it to make a version for their distro which then doesn't work, because it's for Android.
140) Message boards : Android : Annoying bug (Message 112245)
Posted 5 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think it's best you post a bug report issue at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues, especially as it differs from #4873, doesn't it?
141) Message boards : Questions and problems : No longer crunching (Message 112235)
Posted 3 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also worth mentioning and to confuse things. That working result looks to have been from when boinc was running on a windows machine I had for work..
No, the working result was the same task as yours, but sent to a different computer after you aborted it. Projects send out tasks that have not finished correctly to other systems for them to try and finish.
142) Message boards : Questions and problems : No longer crunching (Message 112234)
Posted 3 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
First exit BOINC fully.
Next, delete the global_prefs.xml file and if it exists (I don't think it does as it doesn't show in your log) the global_prefs_override.xml file (they are in the data directory, but I don't know where that is).
Then go to Moo Wrapper website and reset your preferences, with the Restore Defaults button at the bottom of the preferences page.

Now start BOINC and force a contact with the project (Projects->Select Moo Wrapper->Update). This repopulates the global_prefs.xml file with the default settings from the website. Does that do something?
143) Message boards : Questions and problems : No longer crunching (Message 112230)
Posted 3 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, so then it's something completely different that's causing it.
Going back to what the science application is telling you in the tasks you aborted

https://moowrap.net/result.php?resultid=182560158
Paused... (No mains power)
Pause level raised... (found flagfile)
Pause level lowered... (flagfile cleared)

Versus a task run to end, normally:
https://moowrap.net/result.php?resultid=182562909
Paused... (found flagfile)
Running again after pause... (flagfile cleared)

So something pauses your task immediately internally because it doesn't find (enough?) power.
Is your Macbook a laptop running on battery?
144) Message boards : Questions and problems : No longer crunching (Message 112228)
Posted 3 Jul 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
What happens when you go back to 7.22.1 or earlier? You can look these up in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D

PS, for other helpers, read through https://moowrap.net/forum_thread.php?id=658 for more information and what's been asked already. I'm thinking it's something that the science app doesn't like about the new BOINC.
145) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112214)
Posted 30 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Alan Arkin, Oscar-Winning 'Little Miss Sunshine' Actor, Dead at 89
146) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 112211)
Posted 30 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShGmWyFamY

What do you think?
Virtual?
Real?
147) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux Won't Start Agent (Message 112194)
Posted 28 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Between all the HTML coding, I see:
/lib/systemd/system/boinc-client.service; disabled;

But also wonder. When you start BOINC Manager, it does not start the client, right? That's what you started with.
I wonder, did it ever do that? I know it will under Windows, but am wondering if it does under Linux. AFAIK you always had to start the client separately, maybe via a script.

Else, check in BOINC Manager -> Options -> Is in the General tab "Run the client?" checked?
Is that option even there? I seem to remember some BOINC package maintainers removed it.
148) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 112178)
Posted 27 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Julian Sands, 65, British actor.
149) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112171)
Posted 27 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thus Carbon Monoxide is very slightly less dense than air
well, thanks for that, I always understood it was heavier... but having said that
so will slowly fill a room from the top.
This it won't do either.

The difference in density between air and CO is minimal and because of this difference, it causes the gas to have a neutral effect in any room.
source

In fact, carbon monoxide is slightly lighter than air and diffuses evenly throughout the room.
source

In any case, I'll hang mine higher now.
150) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112169)
Posted 27 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our CO detector is in the kitchen while our CO2 detector is in the hallway.
They are LOUD, so there is no way one can sleep through them.
In my case there is if the CO detector is hanging higher than my bed is.
CO gas is heavier than air, it'll crawl on the floor and when in a confined room, fill the room slowly from the bottom, as if the room fills with water. But because it's a colourless, tasteless, odorless gas, I won't notice it when it envelops me. I'll be dead before the loud alarm on the detector goes off. That's what I meant with bad advice by our fire dept.
Hang the detector as low to the ground as possible.
151) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112150)
Posted 26 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
The monoxide detector I have in the room where my central heating is hanging has done its work already for me.
Not by detecting carbon monoxide gas, but by detecting water leaking onto it and giving off an alarm. The gasket of my central heating system had been improperly fitted at the last check they'd done, which caused water from burning the gas to leak through, down all pipes onto the detector, which went off. Still took slightly more than a year for that to happen, but still. ;)

By the way, our fire dept first advised to put the carbon monoxide detector on the ceiling of the room where the central heating system hangs. They've come back from that and now advise a height between 1 and 1.5 meters. In both cases, I will be dead, as my bed is lower than that. So I have put it on the floor underneath the central heating/warm water heating system.
152) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112132)
Posted 25 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, we're on the same line there.
153) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112130)
Posted 25 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did in fact mention that to the technician but he shrugged his shoulders & said, eventually the landline system will be shutdown.
After which they will take over and this becomes reality. 😨🤪
154) Message boards : News : Client version 7.22 released (Message 112103)
Posted 22 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Done, and no need to shout. :)
155) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc does not run (Message 112100)
Posted 22 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc

Gianfranco is an official BOINC builder.
156) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc does not run (Message 112098)
Posted 22 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.18 is for Android versions only, it's not suitable to run on Linux.

Report that to your package maintainer and return to a previous version. Tell them to use branch 7.20 or 7.22 to make their package.
157) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 112080)
Posted 19 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
New all-inclusive rules (but excluding white people) for films to be eligible to get an Oscar: https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representation-and-inclusion-standards-oscarsr-eligibility
158) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112079)
Posted 19 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://twitter.com/TPointUK/status/1670145753669410816
I feel sorry for the youth these days, if that's the kind of lessons you need to get - and indoctrinated with - these days.
You go girl!
159) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112059)
Posted 12 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
With all the nice summer weather the past days, we have been inundated with useless advice again.
"Don't go out into the sun, the UV radiation is high, you'll get sunburnt within 15 minutes."
"Wait until after sundown before opening doors and windows, to let fresh air in."
"Do NOT open doors and windows after sundown, because of peak pollen in the air, or you'll get allergic reactions."
(Yes, those two advisors didn't check among each other what to advise...)

"Drink at least 2 liters of water when it's hot." - No, do not do that, as you'll burn your mouth. Wait until it's cooled down some. 😂

"Be sparse with your water usage, it hasn't rained for 34 days (a dry spell record... really? 🙄) and it's not going to rain for the next days either."
It's been the wettest spring in forever, we're two days into summer, and we're in panic mode already? Damn.
160) Message boards : Promotion : Is there a "Boinc Day"? (Message 112056)
Posted 11 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
SETI.Germany has the BOINC Pentathlon every year in May.
BOINC's birthday is the 24th of August 2002.
161) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112046)
Posted 10 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Second day of 31C here. The news is in panic. Weatherman shows us all these charts in dark red. Funniest one was this tweet by one of our meteorologists, that totally backfired on her. "The thermal heartbeat of Europe". Where green is 6C, and the normal 22C starts the red zones of death and destru... oh, hold on.
162) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please Give Boinc Manager A Dark Theme (Message 112044)
Posted 9 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
They say it's not an easy task. So obviously someone doesn't want to bother thinking about visually impaired people.
That's not what the developer said.
Please also keep in mind, that currently wxWidgets (GUI library used in BOINC Manager) has no native support of dark mode on Windows, so this is not so easy feature to implement.

The whole graphical user interface uses wxWidgets extensively to show everything in the manager. If that graphics library does not support native dark mode on Windows, it isn't the BOINC developers unwilling to make an effort.

Looking at the github page of wxWidgets (https://github.com/wxWidgets/wxWidgets/issues) it seems they're already busy developing dark mode support in wxWidgets but have all sorts of bugs. You'll just have to wait until they're done developing and testing.
163) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please Give Boinc Manager A Dark Theme (Message 112037)
Posted 8 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
The third party BOINC Manager alternative Boinctasks Js has a dark theme.
https://efmer.com/boinctasks-js/

You can also try the normal Boinctasks as you can set all kinds of visual/view options.
164) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 112021)
Posted 6 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Get well soon, Dave.
165) Message boards : Questions and problems : Old SETI participant/ no BOINC account? (Message 112009)
Posted 3 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
What Rob and Dr Who Fan neglected to say is that these are the BOINC forums. We're not in any way affiliated with the Seti project.
Any dealings you have with Seti were with that project. Accounts made for Seti Classic were moved to the Seti BOINC project.

If you never made an account here on the BOINC website, then you never had an account here.
166) Message boards : Questions and problems : Remove a project to update (remove button is gray, no managers) (Message 112008)
Posted 3 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
If - when you select the project - the Remove button is gray, you have added that project via a different method: an account manager. Easily checked under the Tools menu. If you see "Synchronize with X", where X is a name, then you're (part) using that account manager. And then you'll have to go to the website of that account manager to remove the project.
167) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 111978)
Posted 2 Jun 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
First livestream from the Red Planet
On Friday, to celebrate the 20th birthday of ESA’s Mars Express, you’ll have the chance to get as close as it’s currently possible get to a live view from Mars. Tune in to be amongst the first to see new pictures roughly every 50 seconds as they’re beamed down directly from the Visual Monitoring Camera on board ESA’s long-lived and still highly productive martian orbiter.

“This is an old camera, originally planned for engineering purposes, at a distance of almost three million kilometres from Earth – this hasn’t been tried before and to be honest, we’re not 100% certain it’ll work,” explains James Godfrey, Spacecraft Operations Manager at ESA’s mission control centre in Darmstadt, Germany.

“But I’m pretty optimistic. Normally, we see images from Mars and know that they were taken days before. I’m excited to see Mars as it is now – as close to a martian ‘now’ as we can possibly get!’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qyVNqeJ6wQ
168) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 111953)
Posted 31 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
They can't even deliver the mail properly.
Well, maybe when you adjust your expectations, and see that's not a thing you expect the NHS to do, but by the post man.
169) Message boards : Projects : Quake-Catcher Network: End of QCN June 1, 2023 (Message 111910)
Posted 28 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quake-Catcher Network: End of QCN
I am relaying this important message from QCN management at EarthScope. You may have already received this message as an email if you are registered in our database as a QCN station user.

The QCN program will end as of June 1, 2023. We are committed to do our best to keep the QCN software running through that time, and after that time the server will be decommissioned as the program sunsets.

We appreciate your engagement in this program through the years. We know you will be interested in continuing to include seismic data in your teaching. Thus, we encourage you to explore our educational software package jAmaSeis (https://www.iris.edu/hq/jamaseis/ ) which allows classroom access to real-time seismic data from research quality stations from around the world and other commercially available sensor options, a primary example: Raspberry Shake (https://raspberryshake.org/ ) if you would like to continue to record seismic data locally. There are other educational sensors on the market, and we put significant effort into being able to stream the data from available sensors through our products.

Please reach out if you have any questions.

Tammy Bravo
tammy.bravo{at}earthscope.org
(Source at Reddit)
170) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 111879)
Posted 26 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.livescience.com/space/black-holes/a-rare-type-of-black-hole-never-proven-to-exist-could-be-orbiting-our-galaxy-right-now-hubble-telescope-reveals

A potential intermediate-mass black hole may be lurking in Messier 4, the nearest globular star cluster to Earth, new Hubble data reveals.

The Hubble Space Telescope may have just found a rare "missing link" black hole hiding in Earth's cosmic backyard.

Located roughly 6,000 light-years away at the core of the nearby star cluster Messier 4, the intermediate-mass black hole candidate is an ultradense region of space packed with the mass of 800 suns, causing nearby stars to orbit it like "bees swarming around a hive," according to the researchers who detected it.

"It's too tiny for us to be able to explain other than it being a single black hole," study lead-author Eduardo Vitral, an astrophysicist at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Maryland, said in a statement. "Alternatively, there might be a stellar mechanism we simply don't know about, at least within current physics."
171) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111872)
Posted 24 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tina Turner has died at the age of 83
172) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111838)
Posted 18 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe they didn't like the look of you. ;)
173) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 111796)
Posted 14 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Astronomers reveal the largest cosmic explosion ever seen.

The explosion is more than ten times brighter than any known supernova (exploding star) and three times brighter than the brightest tidal disruption event, where a star falls into a supermassive black hole.
174) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 111792)
Posted 12 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Voyager 2 Gets a Life-Extending Power Boost in Deep Space

Trying to get the icon spacecraft to reach their 50th birthday.
175) Message boards : Android : 7.22.1; News? (Message 111780)
Posted 10 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes

Android

- Display disk usage on project tab
- Added an option to have task details always expanded
176) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.22 Change Log (Message 111769)
Posted 9 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dear alpha testers:

A new BOINC version is ready for testing on Windows and Mac OS.

You can download it from here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

A summary of changes is here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes

Please report test results here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Thanks for your help.


-- David
177) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use at most N % CPU time" does not seem to have any effect (Message 111760)
Posted 9 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Use at most N % of the CPUs" still doesn't seem to have any effect. All CPUs are constantly at 100%, even when limiting to 0.01%
You mean N% of CPU time? Make sure that BOINC->Activity is set to "Run based on preferences", as the "Run always" options ignore preferences.
178) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111728)
Posted 4 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
MacOS just got a new virus that steals your iCloud passwords, keychain & factor 2 authentication.
179) Message boards : Questions and problems : High priority mode? (Message 111724)
Posted 3 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be better to do stuff you know you can get done in time first.
Doing that each time, BOINC will never do work for the other projects, when you always have a project with earlier deadlines than others. Just leave things well alone and you'll notice that the next time BOINC asks for work from Primegrid, is going to be quite a distance time, so as to give the other project(s) time to play catch up.

And besides, BOINC projects use redundancy. Work is not just sent out to you, but to another computer as well. When one doesn't return the work in time, it's sent out to a 3rd computer. Until a canonical result comes back.

You asked earlier as to why BOINC only has one scheduler for all project's applications. First off, the scheduler comes from the time that computers had just a CPU and most projects had 1 application. Only later have new hardware options been added, like GPUs and multiple applications per project. Seeing how the development of BOINC was then and still is done by volunteers and rewriting the scheduler from scratch to include all the new things people want is quite a job, it's been put on the back burner. Maybe one day.
180) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 111703)
Posted 2 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN News.
Andy Bowery, CPDN head honcho wrote:
Hi All,

I am going to be taking the project offline shortly. This is to bring a new server into the project, and to shift the backend work to that new server. I will be needing to take a database dump and then upload this to the new server, so I anticipate that this will take a few days to complete during which time the project will be offline.

Best wishes,

Andy
181) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111694)
Posted 1 May 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tim Bachman, 71, Canadian founder and guitarist of Bachman-Turner Overdrive.
182) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111691)
Posted 30 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://virtualvacation.us/guess for all your virtual vacations. Just press Guess and start off to guess where you are.
183) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC forums login confirmation email never received (Message 111675)
Posted 27 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd say, check in Your Account that the email address you provided is correct and check in the email that it didn't end up in the spam folder. You shouldn't need a new confirmation, unless you log in with a new account.

Edit: the change with the past is that this time a valid email address is required, where before you could fill in anything you liked.
184) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111671)
Posted 27 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy King's Day.
185) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with underperforming 4080 (Message 111663)
Posted 25 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, BOINC only detects your CPU and GPU, it does not use it. The project science applications use the hardware.
Second, the project science application sets how many resources to use. Memory, CPU cores, GPU. That you want an app to use 4 cores doesn't mean it will do so. Some projects do have multi-threaded apps, these will use multiple cores.

I'd start in the BIOS/UEFI to check if something there is set to go into low(er) power mode when hitting high power usage. If not in the BIOS/UEFI, then a third party CPU/GPU/power limiting app in Windows or in the Nvidia control panel.
186) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111647)
Posted 23 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, you didn't have to peek
No, that's true. So. Next week, give the Wikipedia page 24 hours later. :D
187) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111635)
Posted 22 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm waiting for you to become a games master on the BBC. Asks question and immediately points to a wikipedia the next sentence he utters.
188) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc manager not reporting details anymore after masOS upgrade from 12 to 13 (Message 111632)
Posted 22 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assigned Charlie and added some labels and stuff. Will also email him and point here.
189) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111631)
Posted 22 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Barry Humphries, better known as Dame Edna Everage, 89, Australian comedian.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/apr/22/barry-humphries-dies-australian-comedian-death-dead-dame-edna-everage-sir-les-patterson
190) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 111623)
Posted 20 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you, Star Trek Picard. In Episode 10, Season 3, they used the Seti screen saver.
https://imgur.com/mGCIenx
https://imgur.com/ipuZt5T
191) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111611)
Posted 19 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:

Finally, after slightly over a year of doing (not daily!) dailies, I have finally managed to get the last rare crate that I needed for the past 2 months.

I'm done.
Yay.
(Ghost Recon: Wildlands)
192) Message boards : Questions and problems : unable to general error logs (Message 111588)
Posted 16 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why don't you start with just telling us what your problem is? Might be easier. Logs can always be done, let's just concentrate on whether you have a bug or just something local.
193) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111580)
Posted 15 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, it would be nice if BOINC updated ALL_PROJECTS_LIST.XML to have the correct attachment url.
David normally does this, but it requires that someone, project admin, trusted users etc., tell him about it. It can't do it on its own. Unless we add AutoGPT to BOINC and make BOINC sentient. 😂
194) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111578)
Posted 15 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
But this is the message line that you only see when adding http_debug, otherwise it's silent. It's not the same one as the one where you add the project and BOINC then first (or second, or 100th) talks to the scheduler which checks what project URL is used. This URL is used by Curl, I think.
195) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111576)
Posted 15 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that's normal. It's in my log as well:
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/viewNoticesRSSFeed.action?userIdHash=169974_edf17a5b8421cc294c6dace3cc57d81d
You connect using http, but the internal server code changes that to https. AFAIK all projects are https these days.
196) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111570)
Posted 15 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post all contents of both global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml, if the latter exists? You can open these with Notepad, and they're found in your BOINC data directory, default in a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\, so fill in the address in Windows Explorer and hit Enter.

Edit: and can you please post the first 30 or so lines of a start up log after you started BOINC?
197) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111567)
Posted 14 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mark Sheegan, 46, Irish guitarist of The Script.
https://twitter.com/thescript/status/1646929454571069450
Much loved husband, father, brother, band mate and friend Mark Sheehan passed away today in hospital after a brief illness. The family and group ask fans to respect their privacy at this tragic time.
198) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111565)
Posted 14 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhile.

My log goes:
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Connected to www.worldcommunitygrid.org (199.241.167.118) port 443 (#20)
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: GET /viewNoticesRSSFeed.action?userIdHash=169974_edf17a5b8421cc294c6dace3cc57d81d HTTP/1.1
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Host: www.worldcommunitygrid.org
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.20.2)


Your log goes:
4/14/2023 10:27:12 AM |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Connected to www.worldcommunitygrid.org (199.241.167.118) port 443 (#3)
4/14/2023 10:27:12 AM |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  schannel: disabled automatic use of client certificate
4/14/2023 10:27:12 AM |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  ALPN: offers http/1.1
4/14/2023 10:27:12 AM |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  schannel: next InitializeSecurityContext failed: Unknown error (0x80092013) - The revocation function was unable to check revocation because the revocation server was offline.
4/14/2023 10:27:12 AM |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Closing connection 3

My log doesn't state that it disabled automatic use of client certificate, yours does. This is a Curl error. Usually in combination with a VPN. Your modem/router doesn't have a VPN added either?

Btw, something you said:
I noticed in the changelog that instead of using C:\Program Files\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt like earlier branches, the 7.20 branch uses Windows's built-in CA certificates.
Where did you see this? As I cannot find it. Neither in the 7.20 changelog, nor in the 7.22 changelog (checked in case you looked wrong), nor in the Release Notes in our Wiki.
199) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111564)
Posted 14 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post all contents of both global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml, if the latter exists? You can open these with Notepad, and they're found in your BOINC data directory, default in a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\, so fill in the address in Windows Explorer and hit Enter.

Edit: and can you please post the first 30 or so lines of a start up log after you started BOINC?
200) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111562)
Posted 14 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
The revocation function was unable to check revocation because the revocation server was offline
How do you connect to the internet? Via a proxy? A VPN? Any other means that uses its own certificate or certificate server, like a corporate server (active server or domain) or firewall?

People posting about it with the same problem:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/1003508/new-ad-cs-2022-issuing-wont-start-because-the-revo
https://stealthpuppy.com/resolving-issues-starting-ca-offline-crl/
201) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111560)
Posted 14 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
and everything to do with why 7.20 (which uses Windows's CA certificate bundle instead of BOINC's ca-bundle.crt) doesn't work.
Well, in that case you seem to be missing a certificate, and then it's not BOINC's fault. I've just updated my 7.16.20 to 7.20.2 on Windows 10 Pro 22H2 and it has no trouble at all contacting WCG.

So, go to Options->Event Log Options and check http_debug -> Apply -> Save.
Then contact WCG and copy & post that part of the log, it's quite long. Best turn off http_debug after this. Or compare it against mine here:

14/04/2023 15:38:57 | World Community Grid | update requested by user
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/viewNoticesRSSFeed.action?userIdHash=169974_edf17a5b8421cc294c6dace3cc57d81d
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | Not requesting tasks: "no new tasks" requested via Manager
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] HTTP_OP::init_post(): https://scheduler.worldcommunitygrid.org/boinc/wcg_cgi/fcgi
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Found bundle for host: 0x21446c3b6f0 [serially]
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Re-using existing connection #20 with host www.worldcommunitygrid.org
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Connected to www.worldcommunitygrid.org (199.241.167.118) port 443 (#20)
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: GET /viewNoticesRSSFeed.action?userIdHash=169974_edf17a5b8421cc294c6dace3cc57d81d HTTP/1.1
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Host: www.worldcommunitygrid.org
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.20.2)
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept: */*
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Language: en_GB
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: p_vendor>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <p_model>AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0]</p_model>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <p_features>fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 svm sse4a osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topx page1gb rdtscp fsgsbase bmi1 smep bmi2</p_features>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <p_fpops>5338311270.927796</p_fpops>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <p_iops>16277292994.575529</p_iops>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <p_membw>90909090.909091</p_membw>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <p_calculated>1681479301.529600</p_calculated>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <p_vm_extensions_disabled>0</p_vm_extensions_disabled>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <m_nbytes>34281639936.000000</m_nbytes>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <m_cache>524288.000000</m_cache>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <m_swap>39381913600.000000</m_swap>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <d_total>4000776716288.000000</d_total>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <d_free>2968820645888.000000</d_free>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <os_name>Microsoft Windows 10</os_name>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <os_version>Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.19045.00)</os_version>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <n_usable_coprocs>1</n_usable_coprocs>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <wsl_available>0</wsl_available>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:     <coprocs>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: <coproc_ati>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <count>1</count>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <name>AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT</name>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <available_ram>8573157376.000000</available_ram>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <have_cal>0</have_cal>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <have_opencl>1</have_opencl>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <peak_flops>9292800000000.000000</peak_flops>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <CALVersion></CALVersion>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <target>0</target>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <localRAM>8176</localRAM>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <uncachedRemoteRAM>0</uncachedRemoteRAM>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <cachedRemoteRAM>0</cachedRemoteRAM>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <engineClock>1815</engineClock>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <memoryClock>0</memoryClock>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <wavefrontSize>0</wavefrontSize>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <numberOfSIMD>0</numberOfSIMD>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <doublePrecision>0</doublePrecision>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <pitch_alignment>0</pitch_alignment>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <surface_alignment>0</surface_alignment>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <maxResource1DWidth>0</maxResource1DWidth>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <maxResource2DWidth>0</maxResource2DWidth>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:    <maxRes
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  Found bundle for host: 0x2144918b2c0 [serially]
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  Re-using existing connection #21 with host scheduler.worldcommunitygrid.org
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  Connected to scheduler.worldcommunitygrid.org (199.241.167.118) port 443 (#21)
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: POST /boinc/wcg_cgi/fcgi HTTP/1.1
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Host: scheduler.worldcommunitygrid.org
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.20.2)
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept: */*
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept-Language: en_GB
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Content-Length: 11428
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: l>AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0]</p_model>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <p_features>fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 svm sse4a osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topx page1gb rdtscp fsgsbase bmi1 smep bmi2</p_features>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <p_fpops>5338311270.927796</p_fpops>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <p_iops>16277292994.575529</p_iops>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <p_membw>90909090.909091</p_membw>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <p_calculated>1681479301.529600</p_calculated>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <p_vm_extensions_disabled>0</p_vm_extensions_disabled>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <m_nbytes>34281639936.000000</m_nbytes>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <m_cache>524288.000000</m_cache>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <m_swap>39381913600.000000</m_swap>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <d_total>4000776716288.000000</d_total>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <d_free>2968820645888.000000</d_free>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <os_name>Microsoft Windows 10</os_name>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <os_version>Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.19045.00)</os_version>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <n_usable_coprocs>1</n_usable_coprocs>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <wsl_available>0</wsl_available>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:     <coprocs>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: <coproc_ati>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <count>1</count>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <name>AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT</name>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <available_ram>8573157376.000000</available_ram>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <have_cal>0</have_cal>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <have_opencl>1</have_opencl>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <peak_flops>9292800000000.000000</peak_flops>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <CALVersion></CALVersion>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <target>0</target>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <localRAM>8176</localRAM>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <uncachedRemoteRAM>0</uncachedRemoteRAM>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <cachedRemoteRAM>0</cachedRemoteRAM>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <engineClock>1815</engineClock>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <memoryClock>0</memoryClock>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <wavefrontSize>0</wavefrontSize>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <numberOfSIMD>0</numberOfSIMD>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <doublePrecision>0</doublePrecision>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <pitch_alignment>0</pitch_alignment>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <surface_alignment>0</surface_alignment>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <maxResource1DWidth>0</maxResource1DWidth>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <maxResource2DWidth>0</maxResource2DWidth>
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server:    <maxRes
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  We are completely uploaded and fine
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Mark bundle as not supporting multiuse
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:38:59 GMT
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Server: Apache
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-Powered-By: Servlet/3.1
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: ETag: 1749239462
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, max-age=0, must-revalidate
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Pragma: no-cache
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Expires: 0
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000; includeSubDomains
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Vary: Accept-Encoding
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Encoding: gzip
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Referrer-Policy: no-referrer-when-downgrade
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Security-Policy: default-src 'self'; script-src 'self' 'unsafe-inline' 'unsafe-eval' https://www.googletagmanager.com https://tagmanager.google.com https://d2bnxibecyz4h5.cloudfront.net https://www.google-analytics.com/analytics.js https://static.cdn.prismic.io/prismic.js; connect-src 'self' https://www.google-analytics.com https://surveygizmobeacon.s3.amazonaws.com https://world-community-grid.cdn.prismic.io https://world-community-grid.prismic.io/api/v2; style-src 'self' 'unsafe-inline' 'unsafe-eval' https://www.googletagmanager.com  https://tagmanager.google.com https://fonts.googleapis.com; font-src 'self' data: https://fonts.googleapis.com https://fonts.gstatic.com; img-src * data:; frame-src 'self' https://player.vimeo.com https://www.youtube.com https://www.youtube-nocookie.com https://www.surveygizmo.com https://world-community-grid.prismic.io/;
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Type: text/xml; charset=UTF-8
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Language: en-US
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Set-Cookie: WCG-SESSION=0000p4XIi_FEjRLM1A7r3rFHEJ2:-1; Expires=Fri, 14-Apr-23 14:08:58 GMT; Path=/; Domain=.worldcommunitygrid.org; Secure; HttpOnly
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Transfer-Encoding: chunked
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server:
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: 4ae
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | 
14/04/2023 15:38:58 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Connection #20 to host www.worldcommunitygrid.org left intact
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  schannel: failed to decrypt data, need more data
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  schannel: failed to decrypt data, need more data
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  Mark bundle as not supporting multiuse
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:38:59 GMT
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Server: Apache
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Vary: Accept-Encoding
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Content-Encoding: gzip
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Content-Length: 3099
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Content-Type: text/xml
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Received header from server:
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | 
14/04/2023 15:38:58 | World Community Grid | [http] [ID#1] Info:  Connection #21 to host scheduler.worldcommunitygrid.org left intact
14/04/2023 15:38:59 | World Community Grid | Scheduler request completed
14/04/2023 15:38:59 | World Community Grid | Project requested delay of 121 seconds
202) Message boards : BOINC client : "SSL Connect Error" BOINC 7.20.2 for Windows 10 22H2 (Message 111555)
Posted 14 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are they up then? I haven't been keeping up with all the latest news, but as far as I know they're still in the process of setting up the project, with a lot of problems.
See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14949 and https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,45230_offset,10
203) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111537)
Posted 10 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lasse Wellander, 70, Swedish guitarist of ABBA.
204) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111516)
Posted 7 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/free-games has this week (April 6 - April 13, 2023) got for free: Dying Light Enhanced Edition (a 3D Zombie RPG) and Shapez (a puzzle game).
205) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111495)
Posted 3 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
50 years since first cellphone call, today!
206) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111485)
Posted 2 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ryuichi Sakamoto, 71, Japanese composer, record producer, and actor.
Keith Reid, 76, English lyricist and songwriter. He was best known for being the songwriter who wrote the lyrics of every original song released by Procol Harum, with the exception of the songs on their 2017 album Novum. He co-founded the band with Gary Brooker. Reid was a non-performing member, he did not play any instrument, and did not record with Procol Harum. After the band's break-up in 1977, he began composing songs. Most notably, he co-wrote "You're the Voice", a UK top-10 hit for Australian singer John Farnham.
207) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc stuck connecting to localhost (Message 111473)
Posted 1 Apr 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where is cc_config.xml? Everytime Boinc starts, in the log it says it cannot find it.
Which is a totally normal startup message. It informs you there is no cc_config.xml file. One isn't necessary for BOINC to use or start. It's mostly used for adding debug flags, and use advanced preferences, such as larger output files and settings for usage of GPUs.

So, for a clean installed BOINC, there is no cc_config.xml file and BOINC informs you about it. Just as it informs me of:
01/04/2023 15:16:47 | | No WSL found.
208) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 111425)
Posted 27 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble:I have now used up all the credit on my plan for making calls.
Normally these site's telephone number is available through Whatsapp as well, as that's free. Didn't they here?
209) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111415)
Posted 25 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:

Gordon Moore
, 94, American, businessman, engineer, and the co-founder and emeritus chairman of Intel Corporation. He was also the original proponent of Moore's law.
210) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111414)
Posted 25 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the oldies among us, Extreme is back with a new song called Rise. The video is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ_AOIbj8AA, and do listen to the guitar solo from 2m22s. It's being talked about widely. Afterward, do listen to Rick Beato's excellent description of the song at The Nuno Bettencourt Solo Everyone is Talking About.
211) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 111407)
Posted 24 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://twitter.com/AsteroidWatch/status/1638199889690521600
Get your telescope out, or binoculars.

"A newly discovered #asteroid named 2023 DZ2 will safely pass by Earth on Saturday at 100K+ miles away. 🌎

While close approaches are a regular occurrence, one by an asteroid of this size (140-310 ft) happens only about once per decade, providing a unique opportunity for science."
212) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 111402)
Posted 24 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not corona, but flu. And a nasty one.
I went to bed at midnight and for the next two hours shivered my temperature up to 39.6C, despite laying under two thick covers. Finally fell asleep for a bit, until inevitably I had to pee and was thirsty. So here I am, drinking tea and cup-a-soup. Everything hurts.

Even light hurts.
On my ears!
I cannot explain it, but it's really true. Certain light beams cause a banging in my ears that hurt like hell.
I hop this is over soon, although the nice thing about it is that I am losing weight like there's no tomorrow. 😂
213) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc stuck connecting to localhost (Message 111401)
Posted 24 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes we can turn on better logging, but for that we need to increase your output file via cc_config.xml because with the logging function on the default 2MB is filled almost instantly. I'm sure if need be we can do that. But I don't think it's needed. Your startup log shows enough: your BOINC client is stuck in a boot loop, apparently crashing before getting through the whole loop, and restarting. This is why BOINC Manager cannot connect to the BOINC client, because, well, there is no BOINC client to connect to because it has crashed. I think due to the stuck WSL process taking up all CPU cores.

Seeing as how you fixed the problematic WSL startup process, we could think that fixed it.
My advice is to retry to reproduce it now, with the fixed WSL startup process, and see if you can do it again.

If not, it's down to that and doesn't really need an additional fix at this time.
If you can reproduce it now, we can think of adding a delayed startup of the BOINC Client & Manager.
214) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 111326)
Posted 17 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Astrum: When Multiple US NAVY Sensors Detect Something "Impossible"
215) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc stuck connecting to localhost (Message 111321)
Posted 16 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, before we give you the runaround on paths and such, let's just first focus on the message. "Connecting to localhost" means that BOINC Manager (the GUI) has started, but the BOINC client may not have, or it is too busy starting up tasks, loading them in memory, to immediately connect with BOINC Manager to show what it's doing.

Keith told you to open Task Manager and kill the BOINC Manager process, instead I want you to open Task Manager and see if both boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are running in the Processes tab. If only BOINC Manager is running, that means the client hasn't started. In that case restart the computer and see if that fixes the problem for now, then open BOINC Manager -> Options -> Other options... -> General, make sure "Run Manager at login?" and "Run the client?" are checked, then press Save and maybe that just already fixed it.

If both were already checked, then can you please tell us which projects you have added and which ones have work, and what kind of work?
Can you also give some details about your computer, or better yet, post the first 30 or so lines of the BOINC Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E)?

Let's just start there. Adding start delay and other fancy options to cc_config.xml is always an option, but it shouldn't be necessary for geenral users.
216) Message boards : Questions and problems : Which phone. (Message 111312)
Posted 16 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why, if you have very little use for a phone to be used as a phone, would you buy one?

Running BOINC on it isn't such a good idea anyway, because if not cooled correctly the battery will bloat and break the phone.
217) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc stuck connecting to localhost (Message 111311)
Posted 16 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC its directory path isn't automatically added to the Windows %path% variable, which is why Windows search can't find it.
218) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 111251)
Posted 10 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wouldn't help if I were there either, but that's because I have overloaded my left arm in September already helping someone move. It's not healed yet, it's even gotten worse. Will have an ACP injection in the affected tendon next month, I specifically asked for that. Then healing process is 4 months, with normal use, instead of 12-24 with limited use.
219) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 111248)
Posted 10 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now it's really precarious getting out of that porch without scratches on the side (Suuz still wears them proudly! 😄)
220) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 111204)
Posted 7 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hint: it's winter.
221) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to receive tasks that need less than 4 hours to run... (Message 111196)
Posted 7 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/prefs.php?subset=project, edit preferences, change Target CPU run time, save.
222) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111185)
Posted 6 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gary Rossington, 71, American musician and songwriter. Last remaining founding member of the original Lynyrd Skynyrd.
223) Message boards : Questions and problems : Forum account disappeare(deleted ?) after ~ 30 minutes after creation (Message 111173)
Posted 5 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
One option is that the email account(s) used are compromised, that someone else has access to it/them. I'm not sure if we send out an email on account creation, but someone who has access to your email account could use it to get a temporary login link on the forums and delete the account that way, but that leaves emails in the email account (which of course can also be deleted by the other person).

We have disabled account creation on the forums for now.
224) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111172)
Posted 5 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Lindley, 78, American musician who founded the band El Rayo-X. He contributed to recordings and live performances by Jackson Browne, Warren Zevon, Linda Ronstadt, Curtis Mayfield, James Taylor, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Terry Reid, Dolly Parton, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Toto, Rod Stewart, Joe Walsh and Dan Fogelberg. He also collaborated with fellow guitarists Ry Cooder, Henry Kaiser and G. E. Smith.
225) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU / OpenCL failure on W7 x64 system (Message 111171)
Posted 5 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPU Caps Viewer 1.58.01 reports no OpenCL device except for the CPU.
When another application reports it cannot find an OpenCL capable GPU either, it's drivers. Using last available drivers doesn't mean they include OpenCL for your device.

Always clean install drivers, don't use drivers of a previously installed video card. Use DDU in Windows Safe Mode to remove all previous driver remnants.
226) Message boards : Questions and problems : Forum account disappeare(deleted ?) after ~ 30 minutes after creation (Message 111170)
Posted 5 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure what is going on, but I forwarded your thread to the person with database access.
227) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111169)
Posted 5 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Michael Rhodes, 69, American bass player.
228) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111167)
Posted 4 Mar 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
(2 January 2023) Alan Rankine, 64, Scottish musician and record producer best known as keyboardist and guitarist for rock band the Associates, which he co-founded with lead vocalist Billy Mackenzie in the late 1970s.
229) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use web preferences" https://mma.xyz/boinc (Message 111128)
Posted 26 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Writing an 'r' next an 'n' may make it look on some screens and in some fonts as if it's an 'm'. rn or m, so I think they didn't copy the URL but typed it over, wrong.
230) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 11: BOINC uses only one processor (Message 111121)
Posted 25 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post the first 30 or so lines of the event log (CTRL+Shift+E) after a BOINC start? That gives us some basic information about your setup.
231) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 111112)
Posted 23 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wake up!
Then watch Astrum: The Most Intriguing Signals SETI Ever Detected - The Other Wow Signals

Go back to sleep.
232) Message boards : Questions and problems : Couldn't create host record in database (Message 111095)
Posted 18 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
And like I told you, it's two different things. BOINC Manager not being able to connect to the client is one. The client not being able to get the server to make a host record in the database is a second thing. They may be related. They may have the same solution. But until we're absolutely sure they aren't there's no need to merge them.

Besides, what is it that people may only post one thread asking for help? Why the need for some people to merge everything? It's not as if we're space constrained and only have room for 4 more threads left.
233) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 111075)
Posted 15 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Annie Wersching, 45, American actress. She was known for her television roles as Renee Walker in 24, Julia Brasher in Bosch, and Emma Whitmore in Timeless, as well as the voice and performance-capture for Tess in the video game The Last of Us, as well as guest starred on various shows, including CSI, NCIS, Rizzoli & Isles, Hawaii Five-0, Body of Proof, Dallas, Revolution, Castle, Blue Bloods, The Rookie, The Vampire Diaries, and Touch. (died January 29th, 2023)
234) Message boards : GPUs : Can't get the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX to crunch for BOINC projects on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Message 111071)
Posted 15 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thing I find odd in the "clinfo" output: "max compute units" is half what it should be, i.e 48 vs. 96 CU on the GPU, and 1 vs. 2 on the CPU:
For the GPU it says it has 2 devices, so if each device takes 48 compute units, that's also 96.

Anyway, your OpenCL is ROCr, and I am not sure that it is supported by the projects. One OpenCL (ROCr) isn't the same as the next OpenCL (ROCm), especially on Linux.

ROCm/ROCr isn't for usual users, it seems developped for specific industrial usages, it does not support graphical applications (AMD said it's temporary but that can last for a long time) and only supports a very small amount of hardware : a tiny selection of PCIe graphics cards and no one integrated graphics solution from AMD APUs. Currently only three chips are said to be supported by ROCm.
Source.
Hardware support is spotty: Hardware and Software Support.

Have you tried instead these drivers? https://www.amd.com/en/support/linux-drivers
235) Message boards : GPUs : Can't get the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX to crunch for BOINC projects on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS (Message 111069)
Posted 15 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before the data is lost (tasks don't stay in the database forever, they get deleted once they ran to completion fine on two different systems +24 hours), here's the error output:

<core_client_version>7.20.5</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
process exited with code 69 (0x45, -187)</message>
<stderr_txt>
16:58:06 (2027): [normal]: This Einstein@home App was built at: Jan 16 2017 08:09:16

16:58:06 (2027): [normal]: Start of BOINC application '../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/hsgamma_FGRPB1G_1.18_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__FGRPopencl1K-ati'.
16:58:06 (2027): [debug]: 1e+16 fp, 1e+09 fp/s, 10500000 s, 2916h40m00s00
command line: ../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/hsgamma_FGRPB1G_1.18_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__FGRPopencl1K-ati --inputfile ../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/LATeah4021L00.dat --alpha 0.943218186562 --delta 1.30995332125 --skyRadius 8.726650e-08 --ldiBins 30 --f0start 1172.0 --f0Band 8.0 --firstSkyPoint 0 --numSkyPoints 1 --f1dot -1e-13 --f1dotBand 1e-13 --df1dot 1.413729381e-15 --ephemdir ../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/JPLEPH --Tcoh 2097152.0 --toplist 10 --cohFollow 10 --numCells 1 --useWeights 1 --Srefinement 1 --CohSkyRef 1 --cohfullskybox 1 --mmfu 0.1 --reftime 56100 --model 0 --f0orbit 0.005 --mismatch 0.1 --demodbinary 1 --BinaryPointFile ../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/templates_LATeah4021L00_1180_18125856.dat --debug 0 --device 0 -o LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out
output files: 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out' '../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0' 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu' '../../projects/einstein.phys.uwm.edu/LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_1'
16:58:06 (2027): [debug]: Flags: X64 SSE SSE2 GNUC X86 GNUX86
16:58:06 (2027): [debug]: glibc version/release: 2.35/stable
16:58:06 (2027): [debug]: Set up communication with graphics process.
boinc_get_opencl_ids returned [0x1f7fa40 , 0x7fd53655aeb0]
Using OpenCL platform provided by: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Using OpenCL device "gfx1100" by: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Max allocation limit: 21890072576
Global mem size: 25753026560
Couldn't create OpenCL command queue (error: -6)!
OpenCL shutdown complete!
initialize_ocl returned error [2013]
OCL context null
OCL queue null
Error generating generic FFT context object [5]
16:58:06 (2027): [CRITICAL]: ERROR: MAIN() returned with error '5'
FPU status flags:
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat 'LATeah4021L00_1180.0_0_0.0_18125856_0_0.out.cohfu': No such file or directory
16:58:17 (2027): [normal]: done. calling boinc_finish(69).
16:58:17 (2027): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>
With this being the main culprit I think:
Couldn't create OpenCL command queue (error: -6)!
OpenCL shutdown complete!
initialize_ocl returned error [2013]
OCL context null
OCL queue null
Error generating generic FFT context object [5]
16:58:06 (2027): [CRITICAL]: ERROR: MAIN() returned with error '5'
236) Message boards : Questions and problems : Charlie Fenton issue (Message 111067)
Posted 15 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've emailed Charlie and asked him to come help you out. I think even he will be intrigued about how he's become software.
237) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager is not able to start a BOINC client (Message 111063)
Posted 15 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thing to check. When in BOINC Manager, go to Options, Other options, and make sure "Run the client?" is checked.
You can try to uncheck it here, Save, then recheck it here and Save.

Also, is BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) running from the same directory as the BOINC client (boinc.exe)?
Can you post the first 30 or so lines of the Event Log after you started up the BOINC client?
238) Message boards : Questions and problems : Non English characters not properly displayed (Message 111059)
Posted 14 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or an Android issue where it doesn't know how to show those characters due to it using a different character set.
239) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 111057)
Posted 14 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all SETI lovers out there.

Hey there,

Happy Valentine's Day from the Zooniverse! While most everyone can relate to the search for love, the researchers behind today's project launch ask you to help them search for something a bit more... other-worldly. Check out more from the researchers below, or head straight to Are we alone in the universe? to begin searching for extraterrestrial civilisations.

Are we alone in the universe?
Join us to help answer one of science’s most important questions: "Are we alone in the universe?"

We are thrilled to launch a new project to search for evidence of other civilizations in the universe by analyzing images of radio signals. The images are provided by UCLA SETI, which uses the largest fully steerable telescope on Earth to detect extraterrestrial radio beacons. So far, we have observed 42,000 stars and detected 64 million radio signals. Automated algorithms eliminate over 99.5% of these signals as anthropogenic radio frequency interference, but that still leaves thousands of signals to be examined.

You can help us. By viewing and matching images of radio signals to common classes of radio frequency interference, your contributions will help UCLA SETI identify the most promising signals. Your classifications will also be used to develop artificial intelligence tools to accelerate the search.

Join the search at http://arewealone.earth from your laptop, tablet, or smartphone. Humanity's most important telegram could be just a few clicks away.

Love,
Mary & the Zooniverse Team
240) Message boards : Projects : MooWrapper Trojan (Message 111043)
Posted 13 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
And furthermore https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=moowrap.net reports no problems.
241) Message boards : Projects : MooWrapper Trojan (Message 111042)
Posted 13 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/c341138a6b46be424003249a95f28c4835e09106bd88e0b3d48a69ca7b75785b shows no problems with that website, so it's your Malwarebytes that is the culprit. Probably a false positive.
242) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 111023)
Posted 8 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Catalytic converter cut of car
For us non-Anglophiles, of or off?
243) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 111016)
Posted 7 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Want to see blank stares and no reaction to some (pretty famous) actors? Watch Linus and family look at cringy tech commercials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXVeSJ1WAt0 and see if you can spot the actor they cannot.
244) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer type not supported (Message 111014)
Posted 7 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Separating post as I hit limit on URLs posted.

So, Universe@Home has these applications: https://universeathome.pl/universe/apps.php
It does support some ARM CPUs. In which case you could play around with https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Options the alt_platform option in cc_config.xml, which will be an alternative with which platform BOINC asks for work from the project:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<alt_platform>arm-android-linux-gnu</alt_platform>
</options>
</cc_config>

These are for android_arm_pie Universe BHspin v2 v0.21, so make sure you have the correct applications set in the project preferences at https://universeathome.pl/universe/prefs.php?subset=project
245) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer type not supported (Message 111013)
Posted 7 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
There SHOULD be information about this on the individual project pages but it can be hard work tracking it down on some.
Like on CPDN who now have their own front-end, yes. But the standard BOINC front-end has the Applications page (depending on BOINC server version under Computing, Server, or from the front page) which is automatically populated by the applications that the project supports. In case of CPDN this is at https://www.cpdn.org/apps.php, but just adding /apps.php on any project's URL should get you there for that project. Then you can see which platforms are supported and in some cases it shows the actual platform application name used (like here: https://www.cosmologyathome.org/apps.php), but otherwise a careful checking of the client_state.xml file will net you that as well.
246) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110999)
Posted 3 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Francisco Rabaneda Cuervo, better known as Paco Rabanne, 88, French-Spanish fashion and perfume designer.
247) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110996)
Posted 3 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just in time for the 5 day strike of the public transport next week, Monday to Friday.
Culemborg. Hmmm, that's about 80km away.
248) Message boards : Questions and problems : Potential SQL Injection Vulnerability in Default BOINC Website (Message 110989)
Posted 1 Feb 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I agree with Dave, you best put this up for the developers to see at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
If you want me to, I can add it as an issue, but any further explanation I cannot give as I am not the original author.
249) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110982)
Posted 30 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lisa Loring, 64, American actress, best known for her work as a child actress playing Wednesday Addams at six years old on the 1964–1966 sitcom The Addams Family.
250) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 110973)
Posted 27 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
They changed it: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1618886923828748288
We recommend avoiding general and often dehumanizing “the” labels such as the poor, the mentally ill, the disabled, the college-educated. Instead, use wording such as people with mental illnesses. And use these descriptions only when clearly relevant.
251) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 110971)
Posted 27 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
We recommend avoiding general and often dehumanizing “the” labels such as the poor, the mentally ill, the French, the disabled, the college-educated. Instead, use wording such as people with mental illnesses. And use these descriptions only when clearly relevant.

https://twitter.com/APStylebook/status/1618658301750689792

Yes, let's dehumanize the word "the".
252) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't seem to get tasks with communication deferred messages (Message 110948)
Posted 21 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best always ask work related problems on the project forums. Because your BOINC seems to work fine, that's what we can help with.
Checking the Rosetta forums I found this thread with a lot of people showing download problems: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=15103&sort_style=&start=80

LHC Sixtrack may not have had tasks available at the time your BOINC requested work, that happens. But also check their forums and server status pages.
253) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installing new BOINC version over old (Message 110947)
Posted 20 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC consists of a projects directory where the executables of BOINC itself are stored and a data directory where the executables and tasks are stored. When you uninstall BOINC or install an update to BOINC (which also uninstalls the previous BOINC), you deal only with the programs in the programs directory. The contents of the data directory are untouched by the BOINC installer.

(slightly longer explanation than No)
254) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110941)
Posted 20 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Kaspersky antivirus subscription ran out and I wasn't in the mood to go search for a cheap 2 year replacement again, so this time I thought of trying out Windows Defender. Which works fine so far. But for that every time it updates its definition files it installs the Edge browser icon on my desktop. So each day I have to throw that thing away into the bin. Why must I endure this terror?
255) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110935)
Posted 19 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Crosby, 81, American guitarist and singer/songwriter (The Byrds, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young)
256) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager disortion problem on MacOS (Message 110934)
Posted 18 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind trying to make and post a screenshot to show what you mean?
Btw, welcome back Lars. What happened to your old account?
257) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110916)
Posted 14 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robbie Bachman, 69, drummer of rockband Bachman-Turner Overdrive
258) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110909)
Posted 11 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jeff Beck, 78, British guitarist (one of the best).
259) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC disregards limitations and running 100% CPU when computer is in use (Message 110897)
Posted 9 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml files?
260) Message boards : Questions and problems : Web assembly client, available ? (Message 110889)
Posted 8 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the BOINC client's code is C++
WebAssembly is a binary instruction format and virtual machine that brings near-native performance to web browser applications, and allows developers to build high-speed web apps in the language of their choice. Since BOINC doesn't run in a browser, I doubt it can be used in this way.
261) Message boards : GPUs : OpenGL error?! I thought we used OpenCL here? (Message 110870)
Posted 4 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because Boinc is the only thing running on that computer.
Well now, it isn't. You admit you run Boinc, Virtualbox 7, MSI Afterburner, HWInfo, Remote Utilities, Startallback, aside from (chipset & video card) drivers and other assorted programs that run under Windows.

In your error poqexec.exe is pointed at. This is the Primitive Operations Queue Executor executable that will run first upon a reboot after a Windows Update, to update all programs and services pointed out in the C:\Windows\WinSXS\Pending.XML file, before Windows starts again. So it might be something in a Windows Update that does that, including drivers.

poqexec.exe can become infected with malware, I will advise you to do run an AV scan on your system.
MSI Afterburner is a GPU overclocking utility, although you can use it to set specific fan curves to cool the GPU more proficiently as well.
HWInfo may call upon opengl32.dll because it reads all kinds of information about your system.

What's the motherboard make and model and the GPU that you added?
Are you using the GPU for calculations?
Since you do not have a monitor attached, do you have a VGA-dummy, DP-dummy or HDMI-dummy plug connected to the videocard to let the OS believe you do have a monitor attached?
I suppose you remote into the system when it's running. Do know that when you do so, most applications used for that will make Windows turn off the GPU because the hardware layer's driver switches to a built in (into Windows) one that doesn't have things like CUDA and OpenCL but is just a generic video driver that will show what's happening on all kinds of video cards. If you then stay logged in that way, the GPU won't be used during that time.

And as said, projects that use a screen saver use OpenGL for that. Though afaik none use an application that requires OpenGL 2.0, most all default to OpenGL 1.0 or 1.1 for compatibility with older systems. If you run work on the GPU, the only project I know of that runs work on the GPU and allows to run the screen saver is Einstein@Home. All others default to the screen saver being off, or the default BOINC screen saver. Which also only requires OpenGL 1.0, not 2.0
262) Message boards : GPUs : OpenGL error?! I thought we used OpenCL here? (Message 110866)
Posted 4 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can read that from your original post. But where does the error come from?

Did you open a file? If so which one and why open it in the first place?
Did you see it in event viewer? If so where exactly?
Where did that text segment originate?

And why post it in the BOINC forums if it didn't originate in any BOINC error file?
263) Message boards : GPUs : OpenGL error?! I thought we used OpenCL here? (Message 110863)
Posted 4 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where does the error message come from?
264) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110845)
Posted 1 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's something I've never heard of before. In case you wonder why the fireworks were cancelled last night in Scarborough: https://twitter.com/PastorAlexLove/status/1609334723259539456
265) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110842)
Posted 1 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
We had firework free zones, whole cities, where everyone was firing fireworks and blowing up their explosives. No police to be seen, a mayor even said "the smoking ban also took several years before people listened". With such an attitude we'll be firework free in 20 years.

Despite the one dead, many wounded, and large amounts of damage done, it was yet again called a "quiet New Year". Yeah.

At least the weather is nice. We already had the warmest 1st of January ever, with 16.6C at 1am.
266) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110839)
Posted 1 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anita Pointer, 74, American singer of the Pointer Sisters.
267) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110838)
Posted 1 Jan 2023 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy new year all,.and the best wishes for 2023!
268) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110829)
Posted 30 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Margriet Eshuijs, 70, Dutch singer of the band Lucifer (House for sale).
269) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110828)
Posted 30 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Vivienne Westwood , 81, English fashion designer and businesswoman.
270) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110824)
Posted 29 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Getting an email from Steam.

Your Steam Replay 2022
A look back at your top played games and milestones on Steam this year.


Click the button.

This account's replay is not shared

D'oh.
271) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 110818)
Posted 25 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Epic Games has free full PC games downloads this week (?)
You can claim the game, download it and even after it's gone to (full) price again, your copy will always be yours.

Yesterday was Metro Last Light Redux. Today is Death Stranding (which I didn't know was out on PC).
https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/free-games
272) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110815)
Posted 24 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Merry Christmas all
273) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 110813)
Posted 24 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meet the REAL K.I.T.T. from KNIGHT RIDER!
274) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110809)
Posted 24 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice small images. Top!
275) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110808)
Posted 24 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maxi Jazz, lead singer of electronic band Faithless, has died aged 65.
276) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110800)
Posted 22 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, and then there's the energy needed to get the empty package delivered (why the "£$%^&*() didn't he get on his bike or walk to the store?
Better ask who beta tested the app and didn't find out that you can do this? What FOOD app allows you to place an order where you order NO FOOD? So build in that one item of the cheeseburger must always be ordered, like the burger - as why else call it a cheeseburger?
277) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110799)
Posted 22 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most Americans, please watch out over the coming days.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/12/22/us/winter-storm-snow-weather-forecast
278) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110795)
Posted 22 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
New! The McNothing.
https://twitter.com/RobDenBleyker/status/1605274541936316416?s=20&t=WEjx4rnBc8bq1IEF7YTaJQ
This guy orders a McDonald's cheeseburger with
No mustard, no ketchup, no diced onions, no pickle, no American cheese, no meat, no regular bun and no salt.

He gets?
A sealed McDonald's bag with an empty wrapper. 🤣
He paid $1.89 for it as well.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-orders-nothing-burger-mcdonalds-28789001
279) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110793)
Posted 21 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny Americans.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/12/20/stanford-university-cancels-dozens-harmful-words-phrases-avoid/
“Killing two birds with one stone” was deemed to be an expression that normalises violence against animals, as was “beating a dead horse”.

One thing my ex was immediately going against, as they now needs to type a lot more to explain themselves: Trans people become “non-gendering conforming folk”.

How about An aircraft’s black box – which “assigns negative connotations to the colour black” must instead be referred to as a “mystery box” or flight recorder.???? Yes, the colour black should only have positive connotations from here on in. Sigh.

Edit: the whole list: https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/stanfordlanguage.pdf
280) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110787)
Posted 20 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
...a winter snow storm...
Is there much difference from your summer snow storms? 😜
281) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 110777)
Posted 19 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, on the other side of the pond, Amazon has the exact same attitude: "you got the right item according to us, if you want to get your money back, return the item not whatever you claim to have received"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/amazon-returns-1.6669601
282) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Remote Access boinc client on a cloud server (Message 110771)
Posted 19 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely.
Although which one is best for use on an external server, I don't know.
283) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110765)
Posted 18 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't go outside: ice rain has changed our roads into ice surfaces.
284) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110760)
Posted 17 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just hope those mods don't go deleting posts here. 😜
285) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110757)
Posted 17 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Christmas spirit is sitting downstairs in it's unopened bottle :-)

/me slaps Rob with an apostrophe.

Here, for the next person.
286) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110746)
Posted 17 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I am not participating.
287) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 110736)
Posted 15 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have Depeche Mode vibes: Orkestra Obsolete play Blue Monday using 1930s instruments
288) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc manager display: uncorrect figures for advancement & elapsed time (Message 110727)
Posted 14 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
AFAIK OpenCL has been deprecated for Macs for some time now, even though most MacOSes still support it, even on their ARM64 Apple Silicon CPUs. But they do want to change over to Metal. You can read about it in #2550.
289) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110719)
Posted 13 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
After the Americans redefined that a female can be anyone who feels that way, now the English have followed suit by redefining what woman means:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female
having a gender identity that is the opposite of male

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman
an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth
(It's foolproof: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/female
belonging or relating to women)

Edit: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/man has been changed accordingly.
290) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110712)
Posted 12 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Richard" still trying to get me to look at his pictures.

I probably should have shown them much sooner - but anyway, here are the photos.
Just a few pictures - they're from last Friday
a few pictures from last Thursday - take a look

Why don't you just send them by Google Messages? You have my number. :)
291) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110706)
Posted 11 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory:
Netflix:
Wednesday.

Just go watch it if you haven't yet.
292) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110678)
Posted 9 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Patrick Tambay, French racing driver, commentator, and politician, who competed in 123 Formula One races between 1977 and 1986, securing five pole positions and winning twice.
293) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110676)
Posted 8 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Brian John "Jet Black" Duffy, 84, British drummer of The Stranglers.
294) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110666)
Posted 7 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The question people in such areas should be asking, and probably will not, is "Why is my property so badly designed and/or built that a small quake, under 5, causes damage?"
They didn't start yesterday with pulling gas out of the ground, but in 1959. Many of the affected houses are from prior to that, but even houses built since haven't ever been structurally reinforced against earthquakes because at the time no one cared about it. The NAM (Nederlandse Aardolie Maatschappij) is even these days downplaying the amount of damage people's houses have, because they don't want to pay for the damages.

It's that the quakes are so shallow (2.5-3 kilometers down) is what makes these 'light' quakes cause so much damage.
295) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110663)
Posted 7 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are any of those earthquakes over 3 on the Richter scale?
Yes, ten years ago (August 16, 2012) Huizinge was rocked by an earthquake of 3.6 magnitude. while on October 8th of 2022 Wirdum rocked gently on a 3.1 Richter magnitude earthquake.
All dates and places of over 3 magnitude earthquakes: https://www.knmi.nl/over-het-knmi/nieuws/aardbeving-van-3-1-in-groningse-wirdum
296) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110662)
Posted 7 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better watch out as Microsoft is forcing updates to Windows 11 again.

https://www.gizchina.com/2022/12/05/microsoft-forces-windows-10-users-to-update-to-windows-11/

I'll go disable the TPM ability in bios.

Edit: disabled TPM and Secure Boot in BIOS and Windows Update still says my computer is eligible to update to Windows 11... right.
297) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110656)
Posted 6 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, well. Here's the stupid thing. We have a lot of gas still available to us under the North of our country, but because it's causing earthquakes and damage to the people living there, there is a maximum per year what can be pumped up. All that gas that we're pumping up now is going to.... Germany.
298) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110654)
Posted 6 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
For a minute or two of "oh, they've got it worse than we do", here's the global energy prices by country in 2022. Guess who's at nr. 1 for Natural Gas with the highest prices?
299) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110652)
Posted 6 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
♫ Countdown to zero
Just begun
Coundown to zero
It's time to start the run ♫

(From Asia - Countdown to zero)
300) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110647)
Posted 6 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: "We are experiencing a higher than expected number of calls at the moment..."
Here in Holland the message adds "than you are used to from us".

Could be worse. The app from my electricity and gas service provider has a queue these days, where you can wait up to ten minutes before you can check your usage numbers. The queue number counts down from generally an arbitrary number in the 3,000s, but that always leaves me wondering how Seti did multiple tens of thousands of contacts per second on a shoestring budget, where this multi million company can't even allow ten people per second to check their usage values....
301) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110633)
Posted 5 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another trailer, but this time I'll pass: Marvel Studios’ Secret Invasion

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, why!?
302) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to install and run BOINC without "service install" on Windows 10? (Message 110631)
Posted 4 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're welcome. And all those instructions done from memory. ;-)
303) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc manager display: uncorrect figures for advancement & elapsed time (Message 110630)
Posted 4 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for the suggestiion, Jord
Unfortunately, it didn't solve the issue.
The suggestion to turn on the checkpoint_debug flag will have the effect that it shows in the Event Log (Command+SHIFT+E) whether or not the affected science application(s) checkpoint or not. That way you can see if they do, and post that evidence and we can try to figure things out further. As you have the effect that you start from zero every time, correct?
304) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110629)
Posted 4 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63825860
A Florida woman has sued the makers of Velveeta Shells and Cheese, claiming the dish takes too long to make.

The Kraft Company markets its microwaveable cups as "ready in 3.5 minutes" but Amanda Ramirez says it takes longer.

The $5m (£4.2m) lawsuit claims the time advertised does not include preparation time - opening the lid and sauce pouch, before adding water and stirring.

Kraft Heinz Foods Company described the lawsuit as "frivolous".
Funny Americans. 😂
305) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110624)
Posted 3 Dec 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Trailer time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNFpri-Y40
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania, is where the Stargates went to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3V5KDHRQvk
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfVYgWYaHmE
He's still alive, ladies and gentlemen! Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Edit: oh and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWWDskI46Js
Transformers: Rise of the Beasts
306) Message boards : Projects : OpenIFS for CPDN (Message 110596)
Posted 30 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
There was a change at how reCaptcha's worked. The developers put a fix in, but that fix still needs to be implemented at the projects.
307) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel Alder Lake CPU not using P-cores? (Message 110594)
Posted 30 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think you can. I think it's the same way as with Android, where these fast energy guzzling chips are reserved for use by the operating system only. Just because they are so fast and energy guzzling.
308) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to install and run BOINC without "service install" on Windows 10? (Message 110593)
Posted 30 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds to me like you didn't fully uninstall BOINC when it was installed as a service.
So let's go that route again.

First go to Windows Settings->Apps and uninstall BOINC from here.

Then start the BOINC installer.
In the third screen of the installer, click Advanced.
Check "Service install" and continue the installation.

When this is done, start BOINC Manager.
In BOINC Manager press CTRL+SHIFT+A to switch to Advanced view.
Then go BOINC Manager->Options->Other options and make sure "Run the client?" is checked.
Check that Enable Manager exit dialog? is checked.
Press Save or OK out of here.

File->Exit BOINC->Make sure to check to stop running tasks and applications->OK.

Back to Windows Settings->Apps and uninstall BOINC.

Start the BOINC Installer.
In the third screen of the installer, click Advanced.
Uncheck "Service install" and continue the installation.

Now after this is done, does BOINC start normally?
309) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110565)
Posted 26 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Irene Cara, 63, American singer and songwriter. (Fame, Flashdance)
310) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110526)
Posted 22 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Instant update: strike is cancelled.
311) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110525)
Posted 22 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: our postmen are allowed to go on strike, per immediately. So that means I can kiss that Xiaomi Mi 7 smart band goodbye for now.
312) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc manager display: uncorrect figures for advancement & elapsed time (Message 110508)
Posted 20 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set the checkpoint_debug flag in Event Log Options and make sure that before you switch out apps or quit BOINC and restart it, the tasks have actually checkpointed. Because if they do not, then they'll restart from zero on the next start. That's a project thing, btw, their application should checkpoint tasks at regular intervals.

Also, 7.20.4 is an alpha version.
The BOINC developer has said: "Note: I have noticed that some World Community Grid graphics apps appear to be buggy. They sometime work and sometimes don't, both with this new version 7.20.4 and the previous version 7.20.2, so that problem is not due to these changes in BOINC."

Maybe it's not just the graphics, but the whole apps.
313) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing (Message 110505)
Posted 20 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/
Normal link
What's this do then?
So, this is something a spammer just tried and that everyone missed out on.

In Firefox the last URL doesn't show in the mouse-over which caused the alarm bells for me. Clicking on the spammers link tried to immediately download his stuff. It won't do that here, as there's no payload on the BOINC website.
In Chrome however the link showed in the same colour and without a link underline as the rest of the text.

All because of the quotes.
314) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing (Message 110504)
Posted 20 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/
Normal link
What's this do then?
315) Message boards : Questions and problems : After Linux Mint21 I no long get usable GPU found and no driver (Message 110487)
Posted 18 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check if the solution in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14841 helps first.
316) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc.exe terminates at start on W10 (Message 110461)
Posted 15 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The repair installaion, downloaded the latest client, opened upp the installer, selected repair.


Repair mostly needs to be done from the same version you are trying to repair, after that you can then upgrade to a newer version.
Please do not ignore what Dave said.

So far I read you're still using a repaired version of BOINC, but used a newer installer to repair an older BOINC version. Do not do that. Just uninstall BOINC via Windows Apps->Remove BOINC and afterwards start the new installer, and install BOINC normally. Don't use the elevated status either, just your own user account.

Start there and if you then still have trouble, we can start diagnosing it.
317) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110457)
Posted 15 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even without reporting. 😜
318) Message boards : Projects : Asteroids@home (Message 110455)
Posted 15 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I told David who relisted it at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php so it should show up automatically in BOINC Manager's project list as well.
319) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110437)
Posted 13 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Keith Levene, 65, a founding member of The Clash and later guitarist for Public Image Ltd.
320) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 110432)
Posted 13 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.20.4 for Macintosh only

Dear Mac alpha testers,

I have built a new hot fix release for the Macintosh only, BOINC 7.20.4.

The only changes from the previous 7.20.2 release should be to fix the "Show Graphics" functionality in BOINC Manager and to the screensaver under MacOS 13 Ventura. Please download and try https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.20.4_macOSX_universal.zip and let us know if you find any problems.

If you have access to run older versions of MacOS, please test that "Show Graphics" and the screensaver still work properly there.

Note: I have noticed that some World Community Grid graphics apps appear to be buggy. They sometime work and sometimes don't, both with this new version 7.20.4 and the previous version 7.20.2, so that problem is not due to these changes in BOINC.

Thank you,
Charlie


Edit:
Please note that there is a known problem under MacOS 11 and later: the close button no longer works on some graphics apps, though it continues to work on others. It is unclear why.

Since the graphics apps are provided by the projects, we have no way to fix this at our end. Our solution (really a workaround) was to modify the BOINC Manager so the "Show Graphics" button changes to "Stop Graphics" when the graphics app is displayed.
321) Message boards : Questions and problems : SmartHome integration (Message 110431)
Posted 13 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Getting BOINC to work isn't usually the problem, but getting projects to port their science applications to whatever platform runs on the devices, hoping their CPUs are strong enough, there's enough disk space and enough memory. Most of those systems use a low powered SoC with not much memory or storage space.
322) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110419)
Posted 11 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pierre Kartner 'Vader Abraham', 87, Dutch musician, singer-songwriter and record producer who performed under the stage name Vader Abraham (Father Abraham).
323) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110412)
Posted 10 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are the working days though?
324) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error encountered after upgrading to macOS Ventura 13.0 (build 22A380) (Message 110373)
Posted 8 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/5002

Charlie Fenton, Mac dev wrote:
Fixes BOINC screensaver and Manager "Show Graphics" button functionality to work with MacOS 13 Ventura. This also required a different implementation of security to prevent access to user's files in the unlikely case of malevolent or buggy project graphics apps.

As of MacOS 13.0 Ventura IOSurface cannot be used to share graphics between apps unless they are running as the same user, so the screensaver can no longer run the graphics apps as user boinc_master or user boinc_project. Similarly, project graphics no longer work if run as user boinc_master or user boinc_project when run from the Manager's Show Graphics button, though I don't fully understand why.

As a result, they now must be run as the logged in user, creating a potential security risk. I have implemented a technique to block access to the user's files and other sensitive directories based on an API that Apple uses extensively but has marked deprecated because it is an Apple private API. Apple warns it has deprecated the API because the syntax used to specify the access restrictions one passes to this API is subject to change without notice. But the syntax has remained unchanged for many years, this API is used widely in Apple's software, and the security profile elements we use are quite basic and so are very unlikely to change. I can find no other way to provide this security.
325) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error encountered after upgrading to macOS Ventura 13.0 (build 22A380) (Message 110364)
Posted 7 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Situation Update: I have spoken with the developer about this. He's been putting a lot of work into it getting it fixed, but it isn't there yet. We ask a little more patience.
326) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boincscr quits unexpectedly since upgrading to Mac Ventura (Message 110358)
Posted 7 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14823
327) Message boards : GPUs : Windows 10 - NVIDIA 3070 GPU - Not Found (Message 110345)
Posted 6 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can see in https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Stop_BOINC_running_as_a_service how to install BOINC not as a service.
328) Message boards : Android : No credit on this device (Message 110338)
Posted 6 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I had my Android farm doing stuff, I put one 230mm fan to the side of it and let it blow over the surfaces of the devices at half speed (5V). I used a loose fan controller board that could connect to a Molex connector and a power brick with Molex connector to power the fan. A second 240mm fan in reserve in case the first went down.

See my Google Photo's here for how that looked. It didn't use much electricity, maybe 5kW per year when running 24/7.

Also, you cannot compare the amount of CPU cores in an Android device with those in a PC, although Intel is going that way with its efficiency cores and performance cores. In most big.LITTLE configurations, only the LITTLE cores can be used by BOINC. Yes, BOINC may detect 8 cores, but when you try to use 8 of them, they will double stack on the 4 LITTLE cores. This means that there are two tasks running per core, slowing calculations down enormously and creating extra heat. The faster big cores aren't used, they are reserved for the operating system only. They are locked by Android.

So it's also a good idea to see how many cores are detected and tell BOINC to just use half of those, then it'll run the science on the LITTLE cores only. This also means that the device will get less hot.
329) Message boards : Promotion : LGPL license issue. (Message 110337)
Posted 6 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
But how is this an LGPL License issue? It's more of a proprietor of the hardware issue, his decision, his opinion.
330) Message boards : Projects : Einstein Shuts Down My Computer (Message 110336)
Posted 6 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can check in Task Scheduler if there's something there that shuts down the computer.
331) Message boards : Android : No credit on this device (Message 110329)
Posted 6 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
These don't help:
Nov 5, 2022 10:05:45 PM||Resuming computation

Nov 5, 2022 10:05:25 PM||(battery temperature 41.0 > limit 40.0 Celsius)

Nov 5, 2022 10:05:25 PM||Suspending computation - battery thermal protection

Nov 5, 2022 10:05:05 PM||Resuming computation

Nov 5, 2022 10:04:44 PM||(battery temperature 41.0 > limit 40.0 Celsius)

Nov 5, 2022 10:04:44 PM||Suspending computation - battery thermal protection

Nov 5, 2022 9:38:40 PM||(battery charge level 0.0% < threshold 10.0%
Your battery is empty and it's quickly overheating. The latter can be fixed by having a fan blow over the surface of the device, because if you allow this to happen a lot for a long time, the battery will eventually bloat and pop up out of the device.
332) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110315)
Posted 3 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Veritasium talking in-depth about The Most Important Algorithm Of All Time: FFT
333) Message boards : Android : No credit on this device (Message 110313)
Posted 3 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure where 'Preferences for this project' is.
They're on the project websites, under Your Account. Not in the BOINC app.

Also, just so we're clear, I was already having problems getting credit for a week before I tried using SU. On top of that, only two of the ~8 projects were on SU.
One option is that you used a different email address when adding the projects, essentially giving it a different account. Another option is that all your work erred. But you should be able to see that in your account.
A third option is that the BOINC on that device pauses a lot, perhaps because Android is busy or the screen is on or something else.

Perhaps post the message log - you can email it to yourself from BOINC, then post it here.
334) Message boards : Projects : Einstein Shuts Down My Computer (Message 110306)
Posted 3 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
And if not overheating, possibly a load problem with the PSU.
How old is the PSU? What make and model? Checked all the cables, that they're still seated correctly? No breaks in the cables or loose ends?
335) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110302)
Posted 2 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe the oldest website on the internet? It's older than the Seti Project.
https://www.spacejam.com/1996/
336) Message boards : Android : No credit on this device (Message 110280)
Posted 1 Nov 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reattach each project using the email and password you set up above. Rinse, repeat until all projects and computers are on your account.
Or use BAM! or GridRepublic as account managers, as these do allow credits for the user.
337) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110276)
Posted 31 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
👻Happy Halloween, all. 👻
338) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1325 templates is not a valid short file name (Message 110269)
Posted 28 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed boinc version 5.10.4 and after that I was able to install the latest version. Rosetta runs on an old 3930k.
My FAQs are a little outdated, but next time you (or anyone reading this with the same problem) runs into this problem, use the Microsoft Troubleshooter to remove the program that cannot be uninstalled (choose BOINC), then install the new version.
339) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 110267)
Posted 28 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jerry Lee Lewis, 87, American singer, songwriter, and pianist.
340) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error encountered after upgrading to macOS Ventura 13.0 (build 22A380) (Message 110260)
Posted 27 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks everyone so far, I have forwarded this to our developer for the Mac.

Edit: Charlie is seeing this as well and will be looking into it. May take a few days though, so in the mean time, don't use the screensaver on MacOS 13.
341) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 11 Rev. 22.621 Pro and Workstation with Boincmanager 7.20.2 (Message 110254)
Posted 27 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
How much work do you have in cache (running and not running)?
What kind of system is this on (CPU, memory)?
342) Message boards : Questions and problems : im not showing up on Techpower! team list (Message 110239)
Posted 26 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you add Science United as your account manager? If so, that's why you won't see credits, as SU uses anonymous accounts, they don't get credit.
Else, at the project(s) you crunch for, did you check the option to allow your information to be shared with credit sites? Some projects have this option, especially those in Europe, to comply with the GDPR.

If neither of those are it, please post the first 20-40 lines of the messages log (CTRL+E) in BOINC Manager after you restarted it.

And where is this "bionic help"?
343) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110221)
Posted 25 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eclipse!
344) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110185)
Posted 23 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
A Timelord with a bionic knee running BOINC. So many things wrong. 😂
345) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 110173)
Posted 22 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/boris-johnson-flies-back-britain-attempt-rapid-comeback-2022-10-22/

Really 😂
346) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110149)
Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Second system updated quite rapidly as well and after a reboot had a weather thing on the task bar. "News and interests shows you weather, news and other information at a glance on your taskbar." No. Go away. Why?
347) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 110148)
Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congrats Brits. Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister
So... Boris back then? Or do you want our lying PoS?
348) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110147)
Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have heard that the new 22H2 version can again not handle the newer AMD 7000 series CPUs. Luckily I am still on my 3900X. Haven't even changed to the 5950X yet that has been catching dust the past year.

Edit: that was the quickest update ever.
The Cumulative Update before it took longer. This was just download, reboot and log in. 22H2, installed on 15 June 2021. Yeah, that's about right.
349) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110145)
Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows wants me to install 22H2, so I'll do that. It was nice knowing you all.
350) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 110130)
Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let's wake up this thread, it was locked already, can't have that. Less than 50 posts to go to the magic 10,000 posts.

I do wake it up with bad news though: https://boingboing.net/2022/10/17/arecibo-telescope-wont-be-rebuilt.html
The Arecibo radio telescope, damaged by falling cables then polished off by a platform collapse, will not be rebuilt. Though it was officially decommissioned and demolished after the incidents, which followed years of underinvestment, astronomers held out hope for a new installation built from scratch.

It's not enough to rebuild it, it must be funded and maintained for decades and it must be useful, and there are many other sites in operation now. Here's the detailed proposal for rebuilding submitted by scientists.

The new plan, to build a $5m museum on the site instead, sounds like a great reason to visit Puerto Rico.
351) Message boards : Android : No credit on this device (Message 110117)
Posted 15 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oct 15, 2022 9:10:35 AM||Using account manager Science United
That's why. Science United uses an anonymous login on projects, so all devices attached via Science United only do science, they don't get credit. Detach from Science United and add the projects manually to your own account (email address + password). Then you will start racking up credits. Previous credits won't be added as they never were under Science United.
352) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC Promotional Cards Design Contest (Message 110109)
Posted 14 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've made your contest with a such terrible way to feedback....
We didn't.
The SCInitiative isn't anything done by BOINC, but by Gridcoin afaik. It's not BOINC that commissioned the contest.

And if you read at the bottom of the Github link you gave, it says Send high-res/source files to contact {at} thesciencecommons.org.
353) Message boards : Questions and problems : Milkyway@Home - Massive Performance Issue - 1 Job Taking 8 CPUs vs 8 Jobs Taking 1 CPU Each (Message 110088)
Posted 12 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not an 8 CPU task, the N-Body tasks are multithreaded, they use as many cores as your CPU has, or as many as you allow BOINC to use.
So, on an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 64-Core, 128-Thread CPU, they'll take 128 threads if that's the amount you allow BOINC to use.

And despite both simulations being from the same project, I'm not sure you can compare their runtime or science done.
354) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices tab (Message 110086)
Posted 12 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If there are actual notices, they get printed over the top of this.

Try disabling Enable Graphics API visual Indicator checkbox under OPENGL SETTINGS of the Nvidia Settings menu

https://github.com/elementary/switchboard-plug-display/issues/148
355) Message boards : Questions and problems : Milkyway@Home - Massive Performance Issue - 1 Job Taking 8 CPUs vs 8 Jobs Taking 1 CPU Each (Message 110078)
Posted 11 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you don't want the multithreaded CPU tasks at Milkyway@Home, go to https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/prefs.php?subset=project, edit these preferences, uncheck Milkyway@home N-Body Simulation and save preferences. BOINC will then only download and run single threaded tasks for this project.
356) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110065)
Posted 9 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
For me normally the fake Richard Haselgrove ones get into my (Gmail) spam folder, but once every now and then one slips through into my inbox and I have to take action. Funny thing is, I can't forward them to the real Richard Haselgrove as his email inbox blocks them as spam.

PS, I reported Seti this morning just before the start of the Formula One to David and Eric but as yet no response.
357) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110056)
Posted 9 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If my contact list is pilfered, then why am I only getting a fake Richard Haselgrove? Why is Richard only getting a fake Jacob Klein?
358) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110052)
Posted 8 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, is he spamming you? Tsk, can't find good people anywhere these days.

I wonder whose inbox I keep spamming?
359) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110050)
Posted 8 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't dare follow the URL she sent. Maybe with my VPN on on the other system. :D
360) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110048)
Posted 8 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spammy Richard Haselgrove made it out of my spam folder, into my inbox with the following line: "I'm not on Instagram but my friend is, and this is what she found {URL}"

My reaction: maybe you should be on Instagram. 😜
361) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 110028)
Posted 5 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric Korpela is looking into it.
362) Message boards : Questions and problems : Constant Notifications (Message 110027)
Posted 5 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
See Why am I getting this message?
363) Message boards : BOINC client : Delay when changing internet connection. (Message 110016)
Posted 5 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think it's BOINC code per se doing that, more like Curl or OpenSSL, or both.
364) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109983)
Posted 4 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Léonie Sazias, 65, Dutch ex-TV presenter, ex-TV & radio producer, artisan, and ex-politician.
365) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109928)
Posted 1 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: 🥳🥳

I've turned 53.

Humbly so. 🥳🥳
366) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109927)
Posted 1 Oct 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: A heed of warning. When you are going to move from an apartment to a house, after having gathered lots of stuff for 15 years, take more time than just 1.5 weeks, or even 3 weeks. My best friend Isa has found this out the hard way. Since Thursday the 20th I have been helping her move stuff from her apartment to her house, clean out the shed and bring loads of stuff to the recycling yard. Monday she has to be out and leave a clean apartment behind, she's not going to manage it. She has gotten three days extra as the last deadline was Friday.

A normal person will do everything in their power to get it done. Not her. "Because of stress" she hasn't helped one bit. I've moved most everything alone today, only had help for a couple of hours from another person, and her eldest daughter. And what about her? Well, she was busy talking with this person, smoking there, drinking there, etc. etc. Hasn't helped a finger since Friday. Hasn't helped since Monday I even think.

She expected me to help more tomorrow... but for that it's my birthday and I am going to give care to myself. Maybe if she'd offered to take me out for dinner, as a treat but not even that.
For that matter, she's paid everyone who helped the past week anything they asked for, but when I asked to get paid my used gasoline I had to specify how much I'd used as she didn't want to pay for the part I didn't use on helping her move. Well, that didn't go down too well, so yesterday I took a day off. Turned my phone off. Bye bye. And that didn't go down well with her. Well, F you too.

Now she's playing it like it's my fault she didn't move in time because I have moved several people and myself the past 3 years, so I should have made it more clear to her that moving was a time sensitive thing and that she should've started earlier. I told her 4 months ago that she should start packing. Repeated that 3 months ago. She never listened, knew it better. When I got in the 20th she told me she had been busy packing for 3 weeks, but I couldn't see what. When everything in your living room is exactly as it was before, and all of the boxes are empty, you didn't do squat.
367) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109895)
Posted 28 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here in our fine country where every year the stamps go up by several euro cents else the royal mail PostNL can't continue to make a profit over sending of letters, that same PostNL has stopped delivering mail on Mondays a couple of years back. Which is exceptionally fun when you're waiting for your bank card to arrive... I had that two weeks ago, the card was ordered on Tuesday, sent on Wednesday and expected to arrive on Thursday. Nope, make that NEXT TUESDAY!!
368) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109874)
Posted 25 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I get the Linux ones asking me lots of things. Always point them to the forums as well.... and then they never go there. Shrug.
...and blocked from sending PMs.
If you mean you pressed the red X on his PM, then you effectively bocked him all together. Just warning. ;)
369) Message boards : Questions and problems : Instal on Google OS Flex (Message 109870)
Posted 24 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Download page.
Fixed your link.
370) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109865)
Posted 23 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows 10 Update asks me if I want to install Windows 11. No, go away, just the dotNet update you have.
Reboot.
Spotify asks if I want to log in. What? Where the hell do you come from?
Check apps. Yep, I have a Spotify app. Uninstall.
371) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to add project Einstein@home (Message 109861)
Posted 22 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You did get an answer on their forums https://einsteinathome.org/content/unable-connect-project-work-laptop
372) Message boards : Documentation : Wiki for "GPU Computing" -- outdated link (Message 109854)
Posted 21 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you, I have edited the link. A lot of the wiki needs to be checked and rewritten, there's a lot of information out of date.
You can post changes here (but watch out, the forums have a maximum amount of links you can post, 4 I think). I will put them in when I am around (which is almost every day).
373) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109847)
Posted 18 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Arrived at my local station
Wait... have I missed EM station twice? Thought I'd seen the whole town...
374) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incorrect Password (Message 109841)
Posted 17 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can also log in with your authenticator key. Lift it from the client_state.xml file for this project and put it in the password field on the website. It's a little hidden option.
375) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109800)
Posted 11 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The ruling parties are so low in the polls that they don't dare give up this cabinet, because they would never come back after the elections.
376) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109797)
Posted 11 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but at least you get a price cap on energy. We do not. Some households are looking to pay close to 25,000 euros for energy this year with no end in sight. Those aren't the rich come as they may households, but the middlemen who cannot afford this.
377) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109776)
Posted 9 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bernard Shaw, 82, American journalist and anchorman of CNN
378) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109774)
Posted 7 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't come to The Netherlands then, energy prices here have quadrupled and even more. People whose contracts are up are supposed to go from e.g. 270 euros in the month to 670-1432 euros in the month for their energy bill. Just run https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ikredhetnietmeer through a translator to see all the cries for help. And our government? They say they cannot help. They can give money to asylum seekers (730 million), to the Palestinians (750 million) but the Dutch people can go to hell this winter. Now already. Maybe next year that we'll see some compensation.

Our Minister of Finance just yesterday said to the European Union that European civilians should not be compensated for the high prices for energy, instead they should just use less energy. The woman is absolutely crazy. Doesn't have any feeling what the majority of civilians are going through.
379) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109769)
Posted 7 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory (I think).
Enough gas for the next 415 days.
Electric covered to 16/11 @ current rate.
The following 6 months covered by the energy discount.
Better not advertise that as else you'll get a lot of guests this winter. All those in the neighbourhood who do have to choose between heat and food.
380) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 109754)
Posted 1 Sep 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.sciencealert.com/super-long-distance-nasa-fix-restores-voyager-1-roughly-15-billion-miles-away

The Voyager 1 space probe launched from Earth in September 1977, and is now around 23.5 billion kilometers (or 14.6 billion miles) away from home – and counting. But despite that mind-blowing distance, NASA scientists just carried out a repair job on the craft.
381) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks barely running (Message 109747)
Posted 31 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
One question that has me curious.
8/31/2022 9:06:06 AM | | General prefs: from http://dhep.ga/boinc/ (last modified 22-Sep-2018 11:18:24)
Where do you get those preferences from? What kind of site is that for you? Because to me it looks highly suspicious in its behaviour. it certainly isn't a known BOINC project. So how did you get that link? And shouldn't you just to be safe otherwise change it to a certified BOINC project?
382) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy 20th Birthday BOINC! (Message 109744)
Posted 31 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I knew I'd forgotten something. Something in another thread stirred this loose.

Going to the bottom of https://boinc.berkeley.edu/old_news.php it says:
BOINC is under development. The basic features are working on UNIX platforms. We plan to release the first public application of BOINC later this year.
24 Aug 2002, 0:00:00 UTC
We missed BOINC's 20th birthday, a week ago!

So... without further ado: 🥳🥳🎈🎇 Happy 20th Birthday BOINC! 🎇🎈🥳🥳
383) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109743)
Posted 31 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
That was original, and fellow moderators, keep a look out. Just removed a thread that had two spammers talking to each other about fonts. The links to their pages were in their profiles. In Chrome they'd hidden the links so they showed as clear text, Firefox picked them up with an underline.
384) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109738)
Posted 31 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've not been on the Einstein website lately, I noticed. :)
385) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks barely running (Message 109737)
Posted 31 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
8/31/2022 9:06:06 AM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 5%
That will do it. You essentially tell your system that as long as ANYTHING else runs on the system, including the operating system, that BOINC should suspend.

Up this value from 5% to something much higher. It shouldn't be used on a desktop (set to 100%).
386) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109726)
Posted 30 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Michail Gorbatsjov, 91, last Soviet leader.
387) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109723)
Posted 29 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.space.com/voyager-1-signal-from-allen-telescope-array
388) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC in the News (Message 109717)
Posted 28 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Saying this isn't officially supported by BOINC. The people behind SCI are from Gridcoin, don't let Vitalii's name on the list have you believe it's then officially BOINC. It isn't. Any problems you have with this competition you have to take up with them, not BOINC.
389) Message boards : Questions and problems : Event log anomaly (Message 109716)
Posted 28 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think it's "on a line from CPDN" but in general a http_debug line. It's because of your scheduler contact with CPDN, and during that contact the connection to WCG is closed. When else do you want the message that the connection to WCG is closed?
390) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC in the News (Message 109712)
Posted 27 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Reddit:

Design contest for BOINC promotional materials

We all know BOINC needs some promo help, do you think you have the design chops to do it? The Science Commons Initiative is launching a bug bounty/design contest for some business cards to promote BOINC projects. We have currently placed $50 as a starting bounty, but the greater the bounty the cooler the designs we will get, so please consider contributing.

There are prizes for second and third place as well!

Contest info: https://github.com/TheSCInitiative/BOINC-Community/issues/1


The second link may work better in Chrome.
391) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109703)
Posted 26 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
From https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=10279&postid=109698:
Bernd Machenschalk wrote:
Einstein@Home is down due to a (Uni Hanover) campus-wide power outage. The machines keep running on UPS, but the UPS that powers the network failed. It is unclear when power and operation can be restored, but it should be a matter of hours rather than days.
392) Message boards : Questions and problems : Use performance of computers and smartphones (Message 109702)
Posted 26 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, your CPU has 8 cores, 4 of which are the so-called LITTLE cores which are used for more mundane calculations, and which BOINC will use. It has 4 more big cores (from big.LITTLE) which are faster and used only by Android. When you allow BOINC to use 8 cores, it runs the tasks on 4 cores, on the slower LITTLE ones and double loads tasks onto those cores (2 per core).

Running 2 tasks per core slows things down already.

Then I looked up benchmarks of the Galaxy S7 and see for floating point operations that it runs between 1.43 and 4.08 GFlops on a single core (there are multicore numbers there too), depending on which calculation was run. You can compare it to those numbers as each Universe BHspin v2 0.21 arm-android-linux-gnu task should run on a single core only.

So, set preferences correctly to use just 4 cores, and rerun the calculations and see if they differ much from the previous double loaded values. Running single tasks should run much faster.
393) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issues with BOINC 7.20.2 x64 behind a proxy (Message 109691)
Posted 25 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You did set it as an HTTP proxy in BOINC Manager's Options->Other options menu?
394) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109688)
Posted 24 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The new one used the same software as the old one? Or doesn't it use software, is it just a JBOD enclosure?
My 4 drive NAS uses software, so I can't take a drive out and put it in another NAS without needing reformat.

I did find the NAS to be warm earlier this year, took it apart as far as I could (which wasn't far, but thank the Goddess for canned air) and cleaned the insides, then put it back and put a 240mm fan on slow rotation onto the hotspot. That works thus far. But luckily by closing all my curtains and turning the mechanical ventilation off, my house isn't as warm as it used to be. We're again in our 4th day of 31C and inside is 24.5C.
395) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109683)
Posted 22 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fun video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lldXT5pMQDM
396) Message boards : Web interfaces : Moving multiple posts to a new thread. (Message 109665)
Posted 19 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's why tabs in the browser are useful, open each post to move in its own tab and then just do down the tabs to move them.
But as it's possible to delete multiple PMs by checking them, I think this should be an option as well. I'll go to Github and see if something like it has been asked yet and if not, ask it.
397) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109648)
Posted 18 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wolfgang Petersen: Das Boot director dies aged 81
398) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109635)
Posted 17 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
{O/T} Looks like some will come tomorrow, to the Midlands and above that.
399) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mint linux 21 fresh install boinc won't start (Message 109633)
Posted 17 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You need to start the client separately, as the manager won't do it.

$ cd ~/BOINC  
$ ./run_client --daemon
$ ./run_manager
400) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109631)
Posted 17 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The rain has arrived here, should I shoo some over your way?
401) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109625)
Posted 17 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, I did check that (and see I have it on Windows 10 as well) and it seems it's Microsoft's way of "including features critical to Windows functionality." So they could've added something that breaks older Microsoft Installer's functionality. Can you update to the version that Mycque is on?
402) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109623)
Posted 17 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows Feature Experience Pack
So in essence you are running beta Windows. Have you reported this behaviour to Microsoft?
403) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109603)
Posted 14 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Certainly not safe for work!
But oh so funny... How about this lamp, or this one? 🤣
404) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109600)
Posted 14 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the developer:
I was not able to reproduce this on clean WIn11 21H2 (Build 22000.739) installation.
I need some additional information:

- is this an issue with regular installer or installer with VBox?
- does this happen when installing BOINC by default or as a service?

I remember I saw similar issue when some other installations stucks and there was some processes like 'msiexec.exe' running that were not related to BOINC installer.

So please before running BOINC installation check that no other 'msiexec.exe' instances are running in Task Manager:
405) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109597)
Posted 13 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks. I've written a Github issue about it. (#4883)
Can you two in the meantime tell me which Windows 11 versions you run?

All you need to do is open the Settings app, which will launch into the System section by default. Scroll down to find the About option and click it. You'll see all the information about Windows 11 under Windows specifications, including the edition, version, and build number.
406) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109592)
Posted 12 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anne Heche, 53, American actress, producer, writer and director. (Although some news says she's brain dead but remains on life support)
407) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109591)
Posted 12 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can either of you install anything else without problems? Like Notepad++ for instance?

Have either of you tried:
1. Go to Windows Search, type cmd, right-click on the Command Line app and choose "Run as administrator".
2. In the command line window, type sfc /scannow and hit Enter.
3. Wait for that to finish... check if you got rid of the error...
4. In the same command line window, type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth and hit Enter.
5. Wait for that to finish... check if you got rid of the error...

Via Regedit:
1. Press Windows Key + R buttons, type regedit and open it up.
2. On the left pane, navigate through this path HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\msiserver
3. After clicking on msiserver, move your eyes onto the right side and look for the key named WOW64
4. If there is no such available, right-click on blank space and choose New > DWORD (32) to create a new value. Name it WOW64
5. Finally, open WOW64 and set its Value data to 0, in case it doesn’t have it yet.
6. Also make sure Base is set to Hexadecimal.
7. Click OK to close the window and check if you got rid of the error eventually.

Via a known good Restore point:
1. Select the Start button, then type control panel in the search box next to the Start button on the taskbar and select Control Panel (Desktop app) from the results.
2. Search Control Panel for Recovery, and select Recovery > Open System Restore > Next.
3. Choose the restore point related to the problematic app, driver, or update, and then select Next > Finish.
408) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109588)
Posted 12 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you run an updated antivirus on that system, or have you otherwise run Windows Defender on it (active scan)?
If that's not running and you can't get it to run either (same thing, service not available), you may be infected with something. In that case go to https://www.eset.com/int/support/sysrescue/ and get one of its live rescue scan options and run that.
409) Message boards : Questions and problems : v7.20.2 intall issues - Win 11 (Message 109586)
Posted 12 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may have trouble with the Windows Installer service itself. So do check that the Windows Installer service is running:

1. Press Winkey + R and type services.msc then press Enter.
2. Right-click the Windows Installer service and choose Properties.
3. If the Startup type box is set to Disabled, set it Manual.
4. Click OK to close the properties window.
5. Right-click the Windows Installer service and choose Start.

Lastly, it can be that the Windows Installer service is broken, and needs to be re-registered.
Press Windows Search, type cmd, right-click on the found Command Prompt app and choose to Run as an Administrator.
Next type the following commands into the command prompt window, each followed by a press on Enter:
%windir%\system32\msiexec.exe /unregister
%windir%\system32\msiexec.exe /regserver
%windir%\syswow64\msiexec.exe /unregister
%windir%\syswow64\msiexec.exe /regserver


After having done that, reboot the computer. And try to install again.
410) Message boards : GPUs : gpu missing notice (Message 109584)
Posted 12 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post the first 30 or so lines from the Messages log in BOINC? (CTRL+SHIFT+E)
411) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109582)
Posted 11 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, there's a game to be waiting for: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1998260/Ancient_Aliens_The_Game/
412) Message boards : News : BOINC client 7.20.2 released (Message 109580)
Posted 11 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two options:

1. Download the previous BOINC installer and do a repair installation over itself, making sure you install BOINC from a source that is available.
2. Go to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/fix-problems-that-block-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed-cca7d1b6-65a9-3d98-426b-e9f927e1eb4d, download the troubleshooter, run it and from the Uninstall list remove BOINC. Afterwards install BOINC with the new installer.
413) Message boards : Questions and problems : Connect to original account (Message 109567)
Posted 10 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You guys don't get it. And I wrote this for CPDN only: the DPA 1998 and 2018 are no longer regulations for the UK, as they are EU Laws, and you left the EU. Brexit remember? You get to make your own laws.

For the EU, the DPA 1998 and 2018 were superseded by the GDPR.

The UK adopted to follow the GDPR without any changes by choice. The GDPR states that the project can remove personal data but only if the user asks for it.
414) Message boards : Questions and problems : Connect to original account (Message 109563)
Posted 9 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, if they feel they need to, they can go ahead and delete my accounts. And my credit. I'm not interested in those points anyway, never was.

But I must say WCG's reason is a weird one: We collect data to help us serve and communicate with volunteers, and keeping this information safe has always been very important to us. Because data are collected primarily to help us communicate and engage with volunteers, we will remove data once it no longer serves this purpose. Therefore, we will delete any accounts that have not interacted with World Community Grid for 36 months.

Uhm, so you collect data (from and about me) to communicate to me and when you deem it no longer necessary to do so (because I fell silent), you remove the data about me? Why? 😲 Can't I ever re-engage in contact with you? I doubt it's because of the size of the database as that's quite small.

As for CPDN and its compliancy to the now defunct Data Protection Act 1998 (as it's superseded by the DPA 2018, which is also no longer in force as the UK left the European Union and so it doesn't need to follow their laws anymore, it only follows the GDPR). And nowhere in the GDPR does it say that personal details must be removed within a certain time limit, only that the users have a right to erasure of their data under certain circumstances: they should ask for it.
415) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109562)
Posted 9 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Issey Miyake: Japanese fashion designer dies aged 84
416) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109551)
Posted 9 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
David McCullough, Best-Selling Explorer of America’s Past, Dies at 89
417) Message boards : Questions and problems : Connect to original account (Message 109550)
Posted 9 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also due to GDPR regulations some projects have deleted accounts that have been inactive for longer than a certain period of time.
???? Where in the GDPR does it say that this is a requirement?

I know that due to the GDPR you have the right to be forgotten, i.e. you can delete your account if that option is available on the project. But I know of no projects that remove inactive accounts just because they are inactive. I've not touched most BOINC projects for a long time, yet as far as I know I still have all my accounts everywhere.
418) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109545)
Posted 8 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, if I am not mistaken, you (Brits) also started with the Coca Cola Cherry with a hint of chilli. I could never find it. The chilli that is.
419) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109542)
Posted 8 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but that's still slightly edible. Putting your condiments into ice cream though? Or baked beans?
420) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109540)
Posted 8 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I knew you Brits were weird, when I tried Marmite (nope), but didn't know you're this weird: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1555770640673624069
Ketchup and mayo-flavored ice creams, anyone? Londoners basking under the hottest ever summer are getting the chance to sample a range of rather unusual ice cream flavors
421) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109534)
Posted 8 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Roger E. Mosley, Magnum, P.I.'s Theodore 'T.C.' Calvin, Dead at 83
https://tvline.com/2022/08/07/roger-e-mosley-magnum-pi-dead-dies-obituary/
422) Message boards : Questions and problems : Probably Stupid Questions (Message 109530)
Posted 7 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this Windows 10 or 11?
What if you uninstall BOINC using the Microsoft Troubleshooter from https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/fix-problems-that-block-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed-cca7d1b6-65a9-3d98-426b-e9f927e1eb4d, then reboot and then reinstall it? (It says on the page it supports up to Windows 10, but according to other pages 11 is included).
423) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 109528)
Posted 7 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here you go: #4873
424) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 109526)
Posted 7 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I'll make a ticket then with your information, pointing back to this thread and hope a developer comes looking here.
425) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 109524)
Posted 7 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think you should take this up with the developers directly, that it isn't something we on the forums can help out with. Too bad that means that I have to ask you to make an account on Github and post your problem in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues.
426) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109521)
Posted 7 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quiet here. Too quiet. Everyone on vacation (forced or not)?
427) Message boards : Questions and problems : Probably Stupid Questions (Message 109520)
Posted 7 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
How does one create an icon in the task bar?
You mean BOINC Manager's icon in Windows? Has it gone missing? Is BOINC Manager actually running?
If it's not visible in the tray, the easiest way to fix that is to repair install BOINC over itself. That should fix any broken links (in the registry) or missing programs.
Second, does the VM need to have access to the internet or is just being available all that's required?
When you install VirtualBox it'll ask you to make a virtual connection to your network connection, that's all it needs. The VMs self downloaded from the projects that use a VM, shouldn't need an internet connection.
428) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109517)
Posted 6 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Today I heard that a friend of mine, Iwan Weeland, died June 17th, far too young, aged 53.
429) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109511)
Posted 5 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti search no further: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51LEWIU3Rs 😂
430) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issues with BOINC 7.20.2 x64 behind a proxy (Message 109510)
Posted 5 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
running through a proxy
The question is, what kind of proxy?
431) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Looking for feedback - possible revision to preferences (Message 109496)
Posted 4 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does anyone actually use simple view? Is there a need for it?
Does anyone actually use the fog lamp on their car? Is there a need for it?
Does anyone actually use the shutdown timer on their TV? Is there a need for it?
Does anyone actually use the default apps installed by (name your OS here)? Is there a need for them?

That you and I know what all the options in the advanced view mean and do and what can harm the computer and what not, does not mean that everyone knows that. Hence simple view, with all the harmful options hidden.
432) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trouble download new Boinc (Message 109492)
Posted 3 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Despite the post in the news thread, 7.20.2 for Mac does not appear on the download all page
It's under the Apple Mac (64-bit Intel and Apple Silicon) MacOS 10.9+ heading.
433) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109481)
Posted 1 Aug 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumbles: mosquitoes.
434) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109472)
Posted 31 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
But but but but but but but... those are never special offers! Not when 2 together costs more than 2 single ones.
So? Go into the supermarket, buy one. Go to your car, put it in, return to supermarket and buy the second? At least it'll give you your exercise.
435) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109468)
Posted 31 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just some fun, weird things found in the (English) world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3on5ELf3h8
I like those 2 Chorizo for £3.- but 1 costs just £1.10 and travelling with your rail card costs £13.-, while without it costs just £7.-
436) Message boards : News : BOINC client 7.20.2 released (Message 109466)
Posted 29 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.14.2 is for 32bit Windows. The present BOINC versions are for 64bit Windows only.
The download page at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php recognizes your operating system and shows you the correct version for that OS. So it would seem your Windows is 32bit only.
437) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109441)
Posted 26 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Paul Sorvino, 83, American actor (Goodfellas, Law & Order)
438) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109430)
Posted 25 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've just sent them (they? In Dutch the language gets completely raped by wrong pronouns, if I would've written such in my school work, I'd never have gotten good grades, but these days kids with severe language problems get 7s (out of 10) easily.) an email in which I asked if they was (See?) proud of the way they notified me of this transition they were going through. Last week I'd visited her (when she was def still she) but not a peep. No "I've got something personal to tell you". Nothing. From someone I've lived with for 18 years, that's a cold cold shoulder.

And now it's all accusations of me being able to ask all the insensitive questions I must have and when I say I don't have any, I'm a liar.
439) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109428)
Posted 25 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Remember me posting this?
Welcome to the new world and its associated dictionary:

{snip}

I'm getting too old for this.
Well, it is haunting me now. I posted it to my ex, as a passing comment. She (but not) wrote back to me that I should grow up and then dropped into my lap that she (but not) was transgender, transmasculine non-binary and would go by a different name from now on, plus the pronouns he/they/them/theirs.

I'm honestly not sure how to react. We lived together a lot of years. I never noticed anything during that time. I'm confused. And yes, I know, I make this about me, but that's because I genuinely do not know what to do here, although I do know this is going to keep me up for quite some time. I wish he didn't drop this in my lap. 🤯
440) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109411)
Posted 20 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome to the new world and its associated dictionary:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/

Look up: and find

female: having a gender identity that is the opposite of male
girl: a person whose gender identity is female
male: having a gender identity that is the opposite of female
boy: a child whose gender identity is male

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender%20identity
a person's internal sense of being male, female, some combination of male and female, or neither male nor female.

I'm getting too old for this.
441) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109372)
Posted 19 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mine got to 38.4C around 5pm, and has been dropping ever since. 37.2 now. Body's core temperature.
442) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109368)
Posted 19 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
24 hours later, balcony shade just reached 37.6C
Yesterday's highest was 35.2C at 5pm. Let's see if we reach 40C today.
443) Message boards : Questions and problems : ': No such file or directory' (cryptic/useless error message) (Message 109366)
Posted 19 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your operating system is what gives this error, not BOINC. BOINC hasn't even started yet due to either the directory being missing or the file you try to start.
444) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109348)
Posted 18 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I mentioned how much power I was using in my house, that includes AC, lighting, computers, TV, everything. I never suggested that power consumption was AC.
In that post you said:
I don't have a thermometer outside, but the garage is 37C, that's with the side door and two windows open, and two powerful fans blowing into it. Ok, there are 6 computers running in there...[1]

[1] Is 28.7A at 246V quite a lot for continuous power draw?
So, not house, not AC, but garage. And computers plus fans only then.
445) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109345)
Posted 18 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you were to be seriously thinking about a system (see previous post) then you would have to make sure that the specifier understood that you had five or six kilo watts of heat being added by your computers, that is unless they are in a separate building to the house (detached garage or shed) so they size everything correctly.
Or put the computers in growth tents and have them dump their heat via insulated pipes outside the building. An example with 1 computer is done here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ZnAwUg9CU
446) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109330)
Posted 18 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's 33.3C on my balcony - in the shade.
447) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109326)
Posted 18 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sleep under your boat.
448) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 109312)
Posted 17 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy https://worldemojiday.com/
449) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109301)
Posted 17 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
sin taxes: misspelling of something computer programmers and grammar fiends observe.
Pay the government a sum of money for every bug in your program?
450) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109300)
Posted 17 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your family might want to have some closure on that.
451) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109296)
Posted 17 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I want us all to be treated like adults and make our own decisions. Rules and regulations are for schoolkids.
Someone walks in, shoots and kills you and gets away with it, as he's an adult and made his own decision to shoot and kill you. Because rules and regulations are only for schoolchildren.
452) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 109246)
Posted 15 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Way too much control given to website admins. Why do browsers even have to tell them we're hotlinking? What's the difference between the request from your browser when you click the link, and the request when your browser tries to display it inline?
It's not any of that and you know it. It's that outside computers that have never visited the original page load material from that page while the webadmin has to pay for the server and data transfers, while he gets no income at all from these computers as they don't see his adverts. Or in case they don't have adverts, they may have copyrighted material/photographs on their server and they don't allow them to be shared by just about anyone.
453) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 109240)
Posted 15 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Error 1011 - Access denied

The owner of this website (homescopes.com) does not allow hotlinking to that resource (/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/average-home-size-graph.jpg).
454) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 109162)
Posted 12 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Until about 2010 just about every European country including the UK had its own set of dates "to keep things (not) simple".
In the 70s of the last century there was an energy crisis, which meant petroleum was in shortage with elevated prices. Summer time was then reintroduced in a lot of European countries to save on energy, so that people and factories would put on their machines and lights later and they wouldn't need lights in the early morning as the sun was already up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s_energy_crisis
455) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 109150)
Posted 11 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Monty Norman, 94, British composer, original composer of the James Bond tune
456) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109120)
Posted 9 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here's the catch - Milton Keynes to Brandon has to go past Peterborough on its way. :-(
Probably a detour due to roadworks. ;-)
457) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109115)
Posted 9 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny that you know without a doubt what happened there, when Dan can't even get an answer out of FedEx what happened. "We're not at liberty to say, sir" is his answer.
458) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109113)
Posted 9 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Think you got it weird? Try this what happened to a friend of mine: https://wsvn.com/news/help-me-howard/packages-didnt-get-shipped-out/
459) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 109048)
Posted 8 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The pre-party to BOINC's 20th birthday BBQ?
460) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 109024)
Posted 7 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
From: COVID-19 vaccine with IPD nanoparticles wins full approval abroad

The IPD is excited to announce it's first designed protein medicine with full approval abroad.

Congrats and thank you to all Rosetta@home contributors! The computing you have provided has greatly aided in de novo protein design challenges such as vaccine development leading to breakthroughs like this.

From the IPD news site:
• Clinical testing found the vaccine outperforms Oxford/AstraZeneca’s
• The protein-based vaccine, now called SKYCovione, does not require deep freezing
• University of Washington to waive royalty fees for the duration of the pandemic
• South Korea to purchase 10 million doses for domestic use

A vaccine for COVID-19 developed at the University of Washington School of Medicine has been approved by the Korean Ministry of Food and Drug Safety for use in individuals 18 years of age and older. The vaccine, now known as SKYCovione, was found to be more effective than the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine sold under the brand names Covishield and Vaxzevria.
461) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108997)
Posted 6 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
A PM that looses so many ministers in one go really should get out of the door in a controlled manner before someone chucks them out without opening it first.
Could be worse. The whole cabinet could step down, stay on demissionary for the duration of a year and continue with all the people who stepped down in between over other things, continuing on different posts. That's our government.
462) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108986)
Posted 6 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now searching for a way to send Amazon a complaint. Not easy on its website. Their "chat" bot is useless.

Probably Contact Us on https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html but that's as far as I get as everything behind requires a log in.
463) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108973)
Posted 6 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Easier, you can turn the feature off every time you start the car.
464) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 108971)
Posted 5 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me spreads tea leaves, dice, tarot cards, speal bones and sticks my wet finger up into the wind.... No, sorry. I don't know.
I guess: when it's done, the majority of bugs have been ridden out of it. Why? What's the hurry?
465) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108970)
Posted 5 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hot damn. I just watched the last episodes of Season 4 of Stranger Things and I can't for the life of me fathom how they're going to get out of this in season 5. Nope, not giving spoilers.
466) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108967)
Posted 5 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no way that it took 5 days to get to a main distribution centre & then to a courier depot near the buyer (which in my case is approx 15m drive away).
Maybe they sent it in parts and Amazon had to assemble it, but couldn't find someone with experience to do so within time. ;-)
467) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108889)
Posted 4 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do what's correct, not just follow fashion. I have a brain you see.
I do what's correct, not just follow fashion. I have a brain you see. I have a body that's different from theirs. I'm not ashamed to admit it. And if it wasn't you, it wouldn't affect me. I'd have got a better shot sooner or later.

The couple were talking with reporters at a party in a city few miles to the west of Sydney. It looked like an elaborate wedding for the newlyweds and there were people drinking champagne on the beach. The couple were all in their 30s. They spoke very loudly to each other before going to meet an Uber driver.

Mr Alder gave the man a taxi before turning onto Puffal St, one of the hottest streets in Sydney's west. He was standing in the shade, his head resting on a rock he'd built on a mountain. Mr Alder told the Sydney Morning Herald the man was going to pay him for the drive but he wasn't sure how he'd do it. He then asked if he could drive them to their son's wedding.

"Oh yeah, I guess because that's all I'm saying," Mr Alder said. "They'd be like five or ten minutes after we parked. If I had to wait five minutes he's going to pay me."
468) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108877)
Posted 4 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
More things to keep you busy on rainy or overly hot days: https://maps.nls.uk/
469) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108870)
Posted 4 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I prefer the proper biological definitions.
Of course you do, never on these boards have you ever shown to do what the Gen Pop does, or uses. Always going against the flow. So there you go, looking it up on an American website, who point at the Greek for the origins of the word Genus while it is Latin that has it as its origins.

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-greek-and-vs-latin-language/
https://www.etymonline.com/word/race #2.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/species
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=genus
470) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108864)
Posted 3 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rofl, of course. What does the OED know, right?
471) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108863)
Posted 3 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
My new pastime: Atomic Shrimp's Youtube channel. All you Brits will recognize brilliance immediately, especially after watching some of his scambait videos.
472) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108861)
Posted 3 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The noun “race” came into English in the mid-1500s from French, which got it from the Italian word razza (meaning species or kind).

The source of razza has never been determined, but it could possibly be derived from the Latin words ratio (i.e., ratio) or generatio (generation), or from the Old French haraz (which referred to horses and mares kept for breeding, and which may in turn be connected to the Arabic faras, or horse).

Whatever its origins, this sense of “race” is unrelated to the identical English word for a rushing forward (as in a footrace), which comes from early Scandinavian sources.

Over the centuries, “race” has been interpreted extremely narrowly (the descendants of a single house; a single line of descent; one’s children or family); very broadly (the animal, vegetable, or mineral kingdom; a single species); and everything in between (nations, tribes, ethnic groups).

In the phrase “human race,” the word essentially means “species.” Soon after “race” entered the language, one of its meanings (sometimes poetic and sometimes literal) was mankind, and it often was preceded by the adjective “human.”

Sir Philip Sidney wrote of “the humane race” (circa 1590) and Shakespeare of “the whole race of mankinde” (c. 1616). Sometimes people spoke of the sexes as different races – as in the “race of woman kind” (Spenser, 1590), and “the unscrupulous race of men” (Henry James, 1897).

The word was formerly used in the same way to refer to species of plants and animals, according to the Oxford English Dictionary. In Macbeth, for example, Shakespeare called Duncan’s horses “Beauteous, and swift, the Minions of their Race” (c. 1616).

John Dryden wrote of “the wolfish race … with belly Gaunt, and famish’d face” (1687); Joseph Addison, writing in The Spectator, mentioned “the several Races of Plants” (1712); Oliver Goldsmith called serpents “this formidable race” (1774); and Shelley said, “I wished the race of cows were perished” (c. 1822).

Under its definition of “race” as “any of the major groupings of mankind, having in common distinct physical features or having a similar ethnic background,” the OED adds this note:

“In recent years, the associations of race with the ideologies and theories that grew out of the work of 19th-cent. anthropologists and physiologists has led to the word often being avoided with reference to specific ethnic groups. Although it is still used in general contexts, it is now often replaced by terms such as people(s), community, etc.”
https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2009/06/why-is-the-human-race-called-a-race.html
473) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 108851)
Posted 2 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
Thanks to everyone who reported bugs in 7.20.0.
We fixed some of these, and version 7.20.1 of the client
is now available to test, for Win and Mac.
Release notes: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes

Report results here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Thanks -- David
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
474) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108846)
Posted 2 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pathetic Lewis Hamilton fans who need to boo Max Verstappen at Silverstone.
475) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 108839)
Posted 1 Jul 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.20.1 released for testing for Windows.

  • [Manager] wxWidgets debug alert when switching between advanced and simple view.
  • BOINC does not gracefully handle capitalization discrepancies
  • client: fix #2837 removed a special use case where idle was desired before work fetch
  • [Manager] Memory access error on closedown
  • [Manager][linux] Search for skins to display on Simple View


https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/releases

476) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108824)
Posted 30 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
For a handful of sleepless nights for the mathematicians among us: The Riddle That Seems Impossible Even If You Know The Answer

The director of a prison offers 100 death row prisoners, who are numbered from 1 to 100, a last chance. A room contains a cupboard with 100 drawers. The director randomly puts one prisoner's number in each closed drawer. The prisoners enter the room, one after another. Each prisoner may open and look into 50 drawers in any order. The drawers are closed again afterwards. If, during this search, every prisoner finds his number in one of the drawers, all prisoners are pardoned. If just one prisoner does not find his number, all prisoners die. Before the first prisoner enters the room, the prisoners may discuss strategy — but may not communicate once the first prisoner enters to look in the drawers. What is the prisoners' best strategy?
477) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108823)
Posted 30 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
@ Jord, interesting link & read, thanks.
David posted it in the News 15 days ago, I never checked up on it until I saw his e-mail this morning.

my Boinc's death knell? thread
For those wanting an evening's read by the fire: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64792
Star quote: The debate is not about Aqua but the tightening up of DA's credit in which he wants ALL projects to award credit similar to S@H.
Yeah, that worked out. 🤣
478) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108816)
Posted 30 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
But I don't know what to do with that information, or who to direct it at, now Kevin's departed the scene.
I still have access to the BOINC FAQs server, I think. SO if I can figure out how to add you as a user there, you can write it all into a nice couple of wiki pages. I know you have an account at the official BOINC Wiki, trouble there is, if you write it there, someone will come along and remove it.

I didn't know Kevin had left, or maybe I did know but I put it aside as more urgent matters in life taking precedence.

As for the adding of Nvidia GPUs, I still wonder why I was asked. I didn't even have - and still don't have - an Nvidia GPU. 😂
It did give me a lot of insight into writing FAQs though. I had info no one else had.
479) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108813)
Posted 30 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You got this morning's email, then? I'm still trying to process that, and decide how to handle it.
I've answered David already, given him the more correct line of how everything went re: forum moderation. Good thing I kept all those emails.
As you say, I wasn't involved in the early stages: I joined SETI early on, but I only volunteered my computers, not my mind and energy.
As far as I know, the original small group of BOINC Alpha testers were also moderating the Seti Classic forums, plus Matt. I wasn't really active there, put all my eggs on BOINC. And just look at my ID here, I was one of the first people to join these forums. Always nice to have inside information (Rom). :)

Where did all that energy go?
AFAIK it waned out because a lot of things people wanted to add, David didn't want. If you run into that wall enough times, you just back away and never return.
480) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108811)
Posted 30 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: all that credit Richard got, damn. He wasn't even here until late in the game. ;-)
481) Message boards : GPUs : Any more Intel GPU projects? (Message 108797)
Posted 29 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone know of projects that run on Intel GPUs?
In both https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php and the equivalent list in BOINC Manager, it shows which projects run on what hardware. Look for the Intel logo in the list of GPUs. The list shows Windows (CPU), Mac (CPU), Linux (CPU), Android (CPU), Nvidia (GPU), Radeon (GPU), Intel (GPU). When you hover the mouse pointer over the Details link, it'll show you all platforms as well.

With that in mind, the following projects (whether they are online at the moment or not) support Intel GPUs: Collatz Conjecture, Einstein@Home, Minecraft@Home, Numberfields@Home.
And maybe some alpha and beta projects that aren't on the official BOINC list, as this only shows production projects if their admin reported their project ready for inclusion.
482) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108774)
Posted 27 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you live with family, fit PIR's for lights in hallway, stair and any space where people walk through.
Funny if you have cats or other roaming animals...

But having said that, I use a cat light in the hallway. Found it among stuff I was giving away after my last animal died, it still had batteries fitted and was still working. Has a Day/Off/Night setting, not sure the difference between Day and Night as both will have it go on when I walk into its view. I set it to the side across from the door to the toilet, so at night when I have to go pee, I don't have to turn on all these lights everywhere.

My bed lights btw are all battery powered as well. I do have one electric light, but the bulb in it is 0.5 watts if I am not mistaken.

Get a boiling water dispenser instead of a kettle, so that only the water needed is boiled or heated to the correct temp for coffee.
An electric kettle isn't an option? You can fill it with as much water you need for your cuppa as well. Mine (from the Aldi) even has options of temperature: 40C, 60C, 80C, 100C.

(And if someone suggests insulating the pipe, I suggest they plan on three days of swearing and cursing when they come here to fit it, at their expense. Not to mention all the knuckle rash.)
At least your pipes can be approached. If you want to insulate mine, you have to start by drilling through the concrete of the floors and walls to get to them, then fill it all back in again and put my floor boards back. 😝
483) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108772)
Posted 27 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I always delete excessive quoting
No you don't. In none of your posts on this page of this thread have you deleted a single word or letter. Deleting excessive quoting means you answer only to that part of the message, like I do.
But some context is necessary when there are a few conversations going on at once, if I hadn't quoted you it would look like I was replying to Dave as that's the post above this one.
What do you think "in response to Message 108767" is for?

Or use a computer, a mobile device is not really suitable for a forum.
So you are the moderator then, deciding for everyone else how they should approach these forums and what to read them on?
484) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108767)
Posted 27 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is it with you an needing to quote every post completely? You know how annoying that is to try to scroll through on a mobile device? Heck, even on a PC. Use the Reply button if you're posting immediately in reply to the post above yours. Simple bit of netiquette.

And besides, I wasn't talking to you. I was answering Sirius. Why do you always need to answer everyone? Are you the "moderator" of this forum?
485) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108765)
Posted 27 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are they mains powered or battery operated?
Battery operated, they'll last about 10 years. I asked that when mine were installed in the old apartment. Same now for the smoke alarm, also battery operated, also lasting about 10 years.
486) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108746)
Posted 27 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
One plus of the smart meter and its app, I caught secret micro use of gas by my central heating system. It was pre-heating tap water so that when I asked for warm water, it would come earlier.
I'd seen that before, as when I went on vacation, it would daily use 0.25 cubic meters of gas. No one home.

So I thought I turned that off, but this central heating apparatus then has a secret mode that still pre-heats some water once a day, showing on the app as using 0.02 to 0.09 cubic meters of gas on days I didn't use warm water at all. It took a service mechanic to shut that off, and since that time the app shows me on the days I don't use warm water: 0 cubic meters of gas used. Glory!
487) Message boards : Questions and problems : Recurring issues with grayed out remove option "they don't seem to care about. Best ask at their site" (Message 108734)
Posted 27 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Prodigit wrote:
You can't remove a project that's been added via account manager.
You either log off from account manager, and then remove the project, or go to the project website, and remove it there from the account manager page..
A project added via an account manager can only be removed via the account manager. Not via BOINC Manager - also not after logging off from the account manager, AFAIK.
Addendum: When you stop using an account manager and sync that decision to BOINC Manager, all projects you added via the account manager will disappear from BOINC Manager. Technically they may be seen as removed.
488) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108728)
Posted 26 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have to thank Jord for that. He said, it's always best to have a paper trail. :-)
Here's another golden bit then: write down your meter readings, at least once a week. I do so every Friday, usually between 8am and 12pm - but sometimes I forget and it's done later or the day after. I've got a Calc sheet (Libre Office) that 's been added to and adjusted over the years, my meter readings go back to 2011 - even though that's in my old apartment.

But that it's a good thing shows here, our network administrator has updated their software and since that time the server can no longer read out every smart meter every day, or every week. Only sometimes. Which shows in the app I have of my energy provider, plenty of days showing that there isn't anything read.

Additionally, I get an energy report from my provider every month in email, but there it only says "You have used this amount for electricity and that for gas", without showing starting and ending meter readings. I've already complained about that, because even though they should be trustworthy, they can just give any arbitrary number and say I have to pay extra. But since my readings go back to 2011, I can make a pretty good guess how much I've used per month, just based on the meter readings. That paper trail, although it's in Calc sheets, on my computer's HDD and a backup on my NAS.
489) Message boards : Questions and problems : Recurring issues with grayed out remove option "they don't seem to care about. Best ask at their site" (Message 108727)
Posted 26 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Prodigit wrote:
You can't remove a project that's been added via account manager.
You either log off from account manager, and then remove the project, or go to the project website, and remove it there from the account manager page..
A project added via an account manager can only be removed via the account manager. Not via BOINC Manager - also not after logging off from the account manager, AFAIK. And certainly not via the project's website.

tjokar wrote:
I am not sure about the structure of the Boinc project, but I would hope there is some moderator/admin who can halt this behaviour.
BOINC is open source. Anyone can change anything he or she wants under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation, therefore the BOINC developers cannot dictate what any project or account manager or external developer can and cannot do with the manager, client and server software.
490) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108628)
Posted 21 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here you go, all them nifty speed limits: https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
491) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 108600)
Posted 20 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://news.sky.com/story/absolutely-bizarre-spirals-of-blue-light-spotted-in-sky-above-new-zealand-12637367

"As far as we can tell it's created by the sun catching the exhaust [fumes] from the second stage of a SpaceX rocket that reignited about an hour after it had been placed in orbit at Cape Canaveral"
492) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Application error on Windows 10 shutdown (Message 108599)
Posted 20 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maar dank je wel, ik kan op jacht naar een Nederlandse vertaling die niet gedaan wordt.
493) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108580)
Posted 19 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Weird people those Scots: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/18/male-blood-donor-refused-say-pregnant-turned-away/

Leslie Sinclair, 66, who is a retired driver for an engineering company, is a committed donor who has given 125 pints of blood in the last five decades.

However, on his most recent trip to the Albert Halls clinic in Stirling, Scotland, he was barred from donating after he said it was unnecessary for him to answer a question on a form asking if he was pregnant as he is a man in his 60s, MailOnline report.

Staff at the clinic said they could not accept his blood unless he provided a response, arguing that it is not always clear if someone is pregnant and the policy is in place to "promote inclusiveness".
494) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108578)
Posted 19 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Curious. I got the following in my spam folder: "The following post, "Comodo Dragon v102.0.5005.61 32&64-bit are now available for download" by vasi.dragon has been reported by yigido (lugo_58) on a board you moderate:" with all links in the message going to the Comodo forums.
Now, I do have an account there... I just didn't know I was a moderator there. (Which I ain't, not with 2 posts under my belt. 😂)

Edit: Ah shoots. I'm not the only one.
Edit 2: One of their moderators explained what happened: "We get it, don't need to spam the forum with the issue, it was a mistake in the default permission profile that gave board moderation to regular members. It has since been fixed and you should ignore/delete the email that you received."
495) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108541)
Posted 18 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
USSR Russia
You do know that despite Putin's best efforts, the CCCP or USSR doesn't exist anymore, but that it's the Russian Federation these days?
496) Message boards : Android : app_config.xml on android? (Message 108538)
Posted 18 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You started with asking Is there an app_config.xml on android? to which Dave said he wouldn't know why not... but there isn't ever an app_config.xml file unless you make one. And since you can't make one due to lack of write permissions, BOINC won't have one.
497) Message boards : Android : app_config.xml on android? (Message 108534)
Posted 18 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Total Commander will be able to see the files. On all my devices the directory has always been ./data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc, where ./ depicts root.
498) Message boards : Android : GPU on Android? (Message 108532)
Posted 18 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Running Boinc on a phone is not what the phone is designed for - it is not surprising that such intense load causes the phone to overheat.
Hence why the specific gaming phones come with vapor chamber cooling technology and some of them even with a (clip-on) fan. But otherwise, having a fan blow over the phone while it crunches helps keep the temperature down. And if someone finds that overkill they shouldn't complain if their device overheats. They won't run an Intel 12900ks without active cooling either.
499) Message boards : Android : app_config.xml on android? (Message 108530)
Posted 18 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
What folder would I be looking for?
On the phone's memory /data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc, where the second /data/ is a hidden directory. Even when the phone is rooted, I don't think you can easily write to this directory.

Also "USB Debugging" mode, which is available without rooting, might allow you to see all the files using a PC through a USB cable.
No, since the /data/ directory is a hidden directory, so the PC doesn't see it. Besides, even if you would be able to see it, you only have read rights, no write rights. If it's pre-9 Android, you can try this trick to backup the data directory. I'm sure there's an adb command to push a file back into the hidden directory as well, but you do require write rights for that.
500) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 108455)
Posted 14 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
China's FAST telescope detected several Fast Radio Bursts emanating from a star system 3 billion light years away.
https://www.wionews.com/science/china-detects-fast-radio-burst-3-billion-light-years-away-is-it-an-alien-message-486552
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/frb-china-1.6481552
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1536600248323231744
501) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 108452)
Posted 14 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
7.20.0 released for testing (Win and Mac)

Version 7.20.0 of the BOINC client is available to test.
Please download it from here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

... and report test results here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Release notes:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes

Thanks to Vitalii and Charlie for coordinating this release.

-- David
Known issue:

Switching from Advanced view to Simple view will crash the manager with a WxWidgets Debug error. This is being worked on by the developers.
502) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108448)
Posted 13 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the speed junkies out there: CRG takes on an Olivetti 286-12MHz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfipSXdFN8. Just look at the motherboard. 😍
503) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108446)
Posted 13 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
They managed 11kV lines here without turning them off
Right... everyone around must've been thrilled about that with the possibility of someone being fried alive, let alone all the hardware catching power surges and blowing up. Our network provider will find it a thrilling exciting prospect to try out and have to replace everyone's electronics in a thousand households. Yep.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LEhgwF3Zg for how to do it. I can tell you, that suit isn't just to be fancy. This isn't the high voltage power lines you see on the big metal towers outside the city, this is moving the actual underground cables from one transformer housing to another.

But I'm absolutely sure you will find something denigrating to say about that. As you do with everything people say around here.
504) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108445)
Posted 13 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quick everyone, join up on the Insider Program of Skinwalker Ranch.
505) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 108444)
Posted 13 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why Voyager 1 is "sending back weird data": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5uwMhX38Q (which for a 45 year old spacecraft on its 5 year mission isn't too weird)
506) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 108443)
Posted 13 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting video on the New Horizons flyby of Pluto and Arrokoth (Ultima Thule): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5XPuS-Y0fg
507) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108435)
Posted 12 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those wondering about the transformer situation: I'm de-facto living in a construction site for the next 3 years - at minimum. 2 large bank buildings will be demolished, after which 2 new apartment block building towers come back, while part of the mall lying behind is converted into the new City Hall. All this requires a different and stronger power transformer than the one we already have, and I can understand why when you're moving 6 to 10KV lines between transformers while it may be raining, you just want to make sure NOTHING is connected.
508) Message boards : Teams : BOINC Games (Message 108434)
Posted 12 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great, a website that places (tracking) cookies without asking for my consent on the matter.
509) Message boards : Questions and problems : Gotta simple question. (Message 108426)
Posted 12 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pre-release status is actually set in line 27 of version.h
Yeah okay, but it is a compile flag, not a specific code version. That's what I meant.
510) Message boards : Questions and problems : Gotta simple question. (Message 108422)
Posted 12 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It just means the maintainers of the 15.4 release have decided the pre-release version is robust enough to use.
There is no pre-release version, the pre-release title just means the maintainers built the client and manager using the -debug flag instead of the -release flag. It shouldn't mean much for the running of the programs, only if something breaks and crashes that it leaves behind debug information.
511) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108408)
Posted 11 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: "Richard Haselgrove" is sending me spam emails again and I can't even forward them to him as his email server does block them as spam. 😭
512) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108390)
Posted 10 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
12 days from now I'll be without power all day due to the power provider needing to switch from a small transformer to a larger one. Got a letter in, between 7am and 4pm - depending on weather - I won't have power. And then a whole list of things that I cannot do then. Ta!
513) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issues after every [L]Ubuntu system update. (Message 108369)
Posted 9 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds to me like you lost permission to write to the data directory or files therein. BOINC Process exited with code 192 means it cannot write to the client_state.xml file, a process BOINC does upon starting up.
So it would seem that your OS updates remove (directory) permissions. Next time try to check who's owner of the files and folders before removing everything.
514) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 108359)
Posted 8 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is if the person wants the Linux releases.
You do know that your links don't work (give a page 404) when not logged in, that they require a Github account?
Which is what I thought the OP wanted since he mentioned using WINE which is a Linux program to emulate Windows.
Yes... so why would he want to run a Linux BOINC in WINE when WINE is an emulator program for running Windows programs under Linux?
515) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108350)
Posted 8 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumpy Swede wrote:
Maybe DA should be informed, if he doesn't already know about it.
I sent him an email before posting the link here.
Dave wrote:
Just a bit out of date
Not here, the moment I post something and refresh that site, it shows I posted
516) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108345)
Posted 8 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny. There's a carbon copy of everything we do at https://boinc.n-helix.com/forum_index.php, but I doubt that Berkeley gave permission to someone in Iceland to do this.
517) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 108344)
Posted 8 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just found out Fred Ward died last month. Aged 79, American actor.
518) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 108340)
Posted 8 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Scroll down on https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/releases/tag/client_release/7.20/7.20.0 and find two executables. One 64bit without and one 64bit with vbox included.

Has the internet become so difficult these days that simply checking on the page linked has become impossible for people? There's no need to link to artifacts.
519) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 108335)
Posted 7 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's finally available.

https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/releases/tag/client_release/7.20/7.20.0
520) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Simple View (Message 108316)
Posted 4 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also wondering how easy it would be to get rid of simple view when compiling my own client and manager from source?
Not simple. It's integrated into the Manager software code.

For reference: everything starting with Dlg is Advanced view; everything starting with sg_ is simple view.

You could try to remove them from Makefile.am in boinc/clientgui, but I don't think that'll work.
521) Message boards : BOINC client : Release Notes with out a Program (Message 108310)
Posted 3 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
From: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc-community/blob/master/contributors_calls/2022-06-02-minutes.md

Client Release Update

Vitalii stated that v7.20.x was nearly ready for Alpha testing. The big change is with respect to Windows and the new security libraries. The internal documentation was restructured. Another change is the use/support for C++19. There will also be a new release for OSX. The clients will no longer rely on the certificate bundles and instead use the system certificates.

Richard asked if it is still necessary for David to be in the loop for building and releasing the client. Vitalli "yes and no". Vitalii has some of the credentials.

Richard mentioned that the release notes have/had been prematurely published on the Web server which created confusion in the community.

General discussion the state of the BOINC project/community
522) Message boards : Questions and problems : Errors Moving Data Folder (Message 108308)
Posted 2 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Those instructions are quite old. It may be that those involved are not part of the BOINC community any more.
The instructions were written by the developer of the BOINC app for the Mac. If something changes, he will update them accordingly. I did ask him on May 3 to come by in this thread and share his wisdom, he hasn't done so. I don't know why, I'll mail him again.
523) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108307)
Posted 2 Jun 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just time enough to recover from your trainlag. 😂
524) Message boards : Android : Permission for project to download an app? (Message 108290)
Posted 31 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
A couple of things:
1. The Yoyo app is 32bit (it's from 2015). To be able to run on Android, the Android version needs to be 32bit as well as the CPU.
If this runs on the Samsung A10, its CPU is 64bit.

If the Android version is also 64bit, it won't download the 32bit Yoyo app because that won't run anyway.
If the Android version is 32bit, it requires 32bit compatibility libraries to run anything on the 64bit CPU. Those are available for Android, but you can only install them when you have rooted your device and/or run your own Android ROM. Most people cannot.

2. You can check what CPU you have and what mode it runs in by installing AIDA64 from the Play Store. If the CPU says 64bit (runs in 32bit Mode) your Android version is 32bit. And then you can't run 32bit apps via BOINC. Either all work will err immediately, or BOINC won't even download the app. Ask the project for a 64bit app (which I doubt they'll make).

3. Checking the Samsung A10 on GSMArena, it says there are 2GB and 4GB models only, which will most probably mean the CPU runs in 32bit mode and the Android on it is 32bit.
525) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108270)
Posted 27 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Netflix dropped Season 4 of Stranger Things with a lot of horror. Looking through my fingers.
526) Message boards : Projects : New WuProp app for Android and BOINC 7.18 (Message 108267)
Posted 27 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's remote control? Something on the app? Or is it an app you need from the app store?

It's not an option I can set in my Android 12.
527) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 108262)
Posted 26 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Fletcher, 60, English keyboard player, DJ and founding member of Depeche Mode.

Alan White, 72, English drummer and songwriter of Yes.
528) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 108253)
Posted 26 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ray Liotta, 67, American actor and producer.
Willibrord Frequin, 80, Dutch TV presenter and journalist.
529) Message boards : Questions and problems : Errors Moving Data Folder (Message 108248)
Posted 26 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Really? Then I don't get why the moving instructions have been provided, if there's another, maybe simpler, way.
On Windows, yes. But Windows doesn't have as strict security measures over pointing to stuff in a different directory as MacOS and Linux do, so I wouldn't say it's easier in your situation.
530) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108235)
Posted 25 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Text cannot be a virus. An image cannot be a virus. Only a very stupid email program would run code inside an email!
ROFL, I see your act of getting into a continuous discussion hasn't gotten any better. Peter knows better about all than anyone else.

Newsflash: You can get a computer virus from an image, some images are even specifically written to encompass a virus in their code. You don't have to believe me of course, because who am I? But maybe you believe the internet.

Your email program would have to be as badly written as Boinc to do that.
I must have missed your personal endeavour to write and compile a better client, manager, screen saver, back-end programs and server software than the present BOINC developers are doing. It's open source, so chop chop, show the world you can do better. Maybe start in Open Lowcode? Must be easy for someone like you, who always knows better than everyone else.
531) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108233)
Posted 25 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Others will probably be glad about this fix as well: https://www.pcgamer.com/how-to-banish-those-irritating-pictures-from-your-windows-search-bar/
532) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108220)
Posted 24 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who says they can't?
I have often enough that I've seen quite large updates come in and the system doesn't need a reboot. At other times when it does need a reboot, it'll tell me it needs to reboot to finalize the installation of that package, but that I can choose to reboot now or do it later (usually middle of the night). I then tell it not to reboot and when I shut down the system allow the updates to happen and the system to shut down afterwards.
533) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108217)
Posted 24 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It'll continue to nag, now with a little "Windows Update" icon in the system tray. But where this normally has a red ball to show it needs to reboot, it now shows a green or blue ball and when hovering over it, it'll show that Windows 11 is ready to be installed. Luckily you can right click the icon and hide it for now.
534) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108210)
Posted 23 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Microsoft is back at it, watch out. I had 3 separate screens on boot up if I didn't want to install Windows 11, was I sure I didn't and was I really sure I didn't? Hope it doesn't do this on every boot. Damn!
535) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108207)
Posted 23 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or with the car with the windows open.
536) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108199)
Posted 23 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most bathrooms have a grounded wall outlet so you can electric shave. I just meant, your "Thunderstorm" shower head, you don't want it to have the electricity coming out (lightning) while you shower. ;-)
537) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108197)
Posted 23 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
'Thunderstorm' I can accept as a choice
If it comes with electricity and water then please pass me by as a choice. But maybe it does wonders on your hair.
538) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 108196)
Posted 23 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Colin Cantwell, 90, American concept artist and director known for his work on films like 2001: A Space Odyssey and WarGames, but primarily for developing a number of the iconic Star Wars vehicles.
539) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108179)
Posted 21 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please omit me from your excessive need to answer everyone in this and other threads? Just ignore my posts from now on, as I do yours. To speak with Eric Woolfson "Don't answer me, stay on your island, don't let me in". Thank you.
540) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108175)
Posted 20 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory! My new Asus phone is on its way. Asus has told Belsimpel (where I bought the Asus Zenfone 8) that my old one cannot be repaired, so they're going to send me a brand spanking new one. And because my model isn't available at this time, I am getting a better one: the model with 16GB RAM instead of 8GB. Still 256GB storage , 120Hz OLED display etc.

I just received word that the phone is on its way, so either here tomorrow or Monday.
Then I can move everything over from the phone I have now (Samsung A12) and sign in everywhere again.

But yay!
541) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 108164)
Posted 20 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then it's a good thing I canceled my possible long weekend trip to the UK to bring my C64 to someone in Norwich and then do a fast swing by you to see how things were going.
542) Message boards : News : Welcome LODA (Message 108080)
Posted 13 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The chat thread about this is at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14668
543) Message boards : Questions and problems : Statics gone from boinc-client gui (Message 108050)
Posted 10 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The best he can hope for is to recover them from the project schedulers when he contacts them with his new host ID and uses the Merge function.
Coming back to this, this won't fix the statistics files or the graphs in BOINC Manager. This will only make new statistics files with the latest data point in them (the newest credit value). Getting new hostIDs and merging them with a previous older one won't fix that either.
544) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 108038)
Posted 8 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dennis Waterman, 74, English actor and singer. He was best known for his tough-guy leading roles in television series including The Sweeney, Minder and New Tricks, singing the theme tune of the latter two
545) Message boards : Questions and problems : Statics gone from boinc-client gui (Message 108033)
Posted 8 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I read it that's not what OP is trying to do. It's not merging the clients that he wants, he has removed everything BOINC and has lost his statistics_*.xml files thus the Statistics tab in BOINC Manager is now empty. He's trying to get those back. And unless he has a backup of the BOINC data directory, or at least of those statistics files, I don't think this can easily be done. Maybe that the actual files can be undeleted?
546) Message boards : Questions and problems : Read only status monitor (link) (Message 108026)
Posted 7 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can add screenshots of your own system wherever you want. If you want to see BOINC Manager changes in real time, you'll have to set up a screen grabber on your own system and script it that way. There's no option for this in BOINC Manager.
547) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108018)
Posted 6 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Phone's been sent to Belsimpel who in turn sent it back to Asus for repairs. It's going to take at least 10 working days for my phone to return. So 3 weeks then.
I've in the mean time bought a Samsung A12 (128GB version) to not be without a phone.
548) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 108015)
Posted 5 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hey there,

You're invited to explore a comet with our latest project, Rosetta Zoo. Read on below to learn how you can lend the researchers a hand.

The Rosetta spacecraft's exploration of Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko was one of the great triumphs of space exploration, as the European probe became the first to orbit a comet, watching its icy surface change as it swung around the Sun. Now the Rosetta team need your help to understand how the heat and light of the Sun affected the comet's surface. Comparing images from Rosetta's high resolution cameras, we need you to spot collapsing cliffs, moving boulders and newly formed craters.

Creating a catalogue of these changes will help the team understand how comets - the most unpredictable of celestial objects - behave, and to understand how to interpret what they tell us about the origins of our Solar System.

You can read more about the project in this European Space Agency article, or head straight to the project itself. Happy classifying!

Take care,
Mary & the Zooniverse Team
549) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 108014)
Posted 5 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hey there,

Happy Tuesday! Today we have just one exciting launch to share; introducing Killer Whale Count. Read on below to find out how you can give them a hand.

The Pacific Northwest marine ecosystem is home to many species, including the endangered Steller sea lion. The Steller sea lion experienced drastic declines, which led to their threatened status in 1990 under the Environmental Species Act (ESA). In 1997, the population was split into an eastern and western distinct population stock (DPS) and the western stock was relisted as endangered due to particularly steep regional declines of 94%. The eastern DPS has experienced 30 years of recovery and is no longer listed as threatened, however the western DPS is still experiencing active declines. What is leading to these declines? One hypothesis is that killer whale predation could be impacting their recovery. Killer whales are an apex predator and have the potential to impact other trophic levels, such as Steller sea lions.

The results of Killer Whale Count will increase our understanding of the potential impact of killer whales on endangered Steller sea lions in the western Aleutian Islands. We are focused on an ecotype of killer whale called the transient (Bigg’s) killer whale. Transient killer whales consume other marine mammals, such as Steller sea lions, and therefore have a direct impact to their population. How can we determine the extent of this impact? One of the first objectives is to determine killer whale visitation patterns across various endangered Steller sea lion colonies. To do this, we need your help in identifying and counting killer whales in our image database, which consists of over 1 million images. The results, in combination with other data sources, will help determine what extent killer whale predation has on the endangered Steller sea lion, which will benefit the recovery of the endangered Steller sea lion.

Help us out at: Killer Whale Count

That's all for today! Hope you have a lovely rest of the week.

Take care,
Mary & the Zooniverse Team
550) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 108013)
Posted 5 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dropping some interesting quests.

Hey there,

Please help us test a potential new Zooniverse project - PRINT

What the researchers say:
Welcome to People, Religion, Information Networks, and Travel – Migration in the Early Modern World (PRINT). This project is a collaborative effort to trace the communication networks of early modern European religious minorities and the ways they shaped the dynamic patterns of migration in the Atlantic world. Housed at the University of Central Florida, PRINT seeks to create a database of correspondence and then visualize the complex connections that arose in response to religious persecution and missionary work. Our goal is to work with archives and citizen transcribers to provide access to documents not readily available and to create tools to foster new textual and network analysis.

How to help out:

Try it out now at PRINT and give us your feedback via this form: https://forms.gle/FAEk3Jwk7h3zPC9J9 (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).

Your feedback is extremely important to us when deciding whether to approve or reject a project. To date you have helped launch over 350 Zooniverse projects!

Thanks for all your help,

Mary & the Zooniverse Team
551) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 108003)
Posted 4 May 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: Got a security update in on my Asus Zenfone 8, allowed it to download and install. On the reboot... nothing. Bricked my phone. Cannot reboot it in any way or fashion. Great!

So watch out today with the update!
552) Message boards : Promotion : Boinc Workshop 2022?? (Message 107985)
Posted 29 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seems that admins are not interested....
From the index:

These message boards are frequented by volunteers. It's likely (but not guaranteed) that they'll be able to respond to your questions or suggestions.
If you want to speak to David, email him directly.
553) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.18.1 doesn't work. (Message 107965)
Posted 26 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
How do we reach out to the community to get them to correct the error?
Most probably best done via the
https://www.kubuntuforums.net/forum/currently-supported-releases/kubuntu-22-04-jammy-jellyfish/software-support-be forums.

The same thing for the OP, it's probably wisest to post this at https://ubuntuforums.org/
554) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 107959)
Posted 25 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Henny Vrienten, 73, Dutch musician and composer, best known as the singer and bassist of the popular 1980s ska pop band Doe Maar.
555) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to download 7.16.21 for Mac (Message 107958)
Posted 25 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Mac_OS_X
556) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stop file deletion on reporting of tasks that error out. (Message 107935)
Posted 22 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wonder if Dave needs this fix: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/4575
557) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stop file deletion on reporting of tasks that error out. (Message 107925)
Posted 21 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set <exit_before_start> in cc_config.xml after a task has started. Then the client will exit at the end of that task (no matter the outcome) and before a new task starts. How this works on a multicore system is anyone's guess though.

Maybe if you start the client with the --fetch_minimal_work attribute that it doesn't completely load up all cores.
558) Message boards : Questions and problems : Errors Moving Data Folder (Message 107877)
Posted 16 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you check https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive?
559) Message boards : Android : Android app can't be found in google search (Message 107870)
Posted 15 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have they been submitted to the play store? If not, what is the reason?
I don't know. If you feel the need to ask, ask the developers.
I forgot one place where the newest version can be had, and that's at Github: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/releases/
560) Message boards : Android : Android app can't be found in google search (Message 107868)
Posted 15 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The newest versions of BOINC for Android are only available from Berkeley, via https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php, https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php and https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D
561) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 107845)
Posted 12 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gilbert Gottfried, 67, American comedian and cartoon voice-actor.
562) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a way to get BOINC to give priority to Tasks with short "time to deadline"? (Message 107818)
Posted 11 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Google is your friend: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
That's all done via the GUI.

As for why: to keep the OS lean and quick.
Windows is bloated as F with all the drivers and libraries on board, and even when you install Windows clean, you're still required to install all kinds of .Net and other library packages to get the simplest of things running. Even videocard drivers require most of these library packages to be installed, else you can't use their GUI.
563) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a way to get BOINC to give priority to Tasks with short "time to deadline"? (Message 107815)
Posted 11 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know much about Linux either, but Gianfranco has a helpme option on his site: click on the link "Technical details about this PPA" and a dropwdown menu opens with what to do, beginning with selecting your distribution's name and version.
564) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a way to get BOINC to give priority to Tasks with short "time to deadline"? (Message 107813)
Posted 11 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed the 32 bit libraries as Dave suggested for goodness sake, what else do I have to do? Why doesn't it come with Boinc if it's required?
The 32bit libraries are only needed to allow the (in this case CPDN) project's 32bit application to run on your all 64bit operating system and CPU. By default these aren't installed on a 64bit Linux because the maintainers behind this distro assume you only run 64bit applications.

Any libraries you need to run BOINC itself were used by the package manager who built BOINC for your Linux distribution, that he included in the build. These libraries should be in its installer, and if not, then you have to contact the maintainer. But the best thing to do here, if you still want to continue is use Gianfranco Costamagna's version. He builds most well maintained versions of BOINC for most distros out there.
565) Message boards : Questions and problems : Raspberry Pi, BOINC Manager versions / Fresh install procedures on PiOS (Message 107795)
Posted 11 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fixing link:
https://marksrpicluster.blogspot.com/2019/12/add-buster-backports-to-raspberry-pi.html
566) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 107788)
Posted 10 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Harry Patterson, 92, British author, writing under pseudonym Jack Higgins (The Eagle has Landed)
567) Message boards : Questions and problems : Raspberry Pi, BOINC Manager versions / Fresh install procedures on PiOS (Message 107787)
Posted 10 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got this message when I tried to post this comment the first time:
"Can't create post. Too many links."
That's an anti-spam measure, we can only actively tag 3 or 4 URLs with URL tags.
568) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107769)
Posted 8 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Semi Grumble, semi Glory: I bought a Samsung 4K 50" Crystal Display TV at the Lidl webshop last week Thursday to replace my dying Aldi 4K 43" LED TV.

A TV was given to me on Wednesday by DHL and while its box sat here it dawned on me it was the wrong size! They'd sent me a 43" TV. So I called Lidl, who asked for photographic evidence, which I gave to them immediately and after acknowledging they'd sent me the wrong TV, they first had another company (Dynalogic) pick up the wrong format TV and just moments ago DHL brought me the right size TV.

Next problem I see now is that this beast isn't going to fit on my TV stand, while my PC is sitting next to it... Oh well. I just hope this is the best TV ever! 😂
569) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 107758)
Posted 7 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I posted it, it was there on the download page. But in the meantime I see Charlie has editted the release notes for the Mac additions, so maybe it's retracted until a general all platforms version comes out. (Or half sleepy I read 7.16.20 as 7.20.0, is also a possibility, I went to bed shortly thereafter)

What struck me was that it was done on the down low, hush hush, no one knowing about it. It's that I got the email about the release notes being edited that I knew about it.
570) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.20 Change Log (Message 107746)
Posted 6 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Changes from the https://boinc.berkeley.edu/w/?title=Release_Notes :

  • Manager: show appropriate Welcome Page on first run.
  • Client: pass process priority to wrapper
  • Client: disable GET feature of GUI RPC
  • Manager: add ctrl-A shortcut to go to advanced view
  • Client: allow empty GUI RPC password but show warning
  • Client (linux): Ignore tty(S|ACM) devices in TTY idle time calculation
  • Client: display IPV6 addresses correctly
  • Client: don't tell Manager that graphics app exists if it's still downloading
  • Manager: fix alt-space crash
  • Manager: fix RTL languages in disk view
  • Client: add reset_host_info() GUI RPC
  • Client: put CDATA around link field of notices
  • Client: fix problems with set_app_config() RPC
  • Client: fix overly aggressive project-wide file transfer backoff policy
  • Client: fix work-fetch logic when max concurrent limits are used
  • Manager: add "Suspend when no mouse/keyboard input in last XX minutes" to prefs dialog
  • Manager: correctly handle large numbers in prefs
  • Manager (Win): Make Manager DPI unaware to let wxWidgets and Windows scale GUI elements properly
  • Client (Win): Fix detection of Windows product
  • Client: Fix bug in new version check
  • Mac: Fix screensaver preferences dialog under MacOS 12 Monterey0
  • Mac: ensure curl does not depend on unavailable libraries
  • Mac: use newer libraries: c-ares-1.17.2, curl-7.79.1, freetype-2.11.0, openssl-3.0.0, wxWidgets-3.1.5


(edit: seems it's not available yet)

571) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107739)
Posted 6 Apr 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only things they can't take are one fridge, one cooker, your beds, one chair per occupant of the house certain clothes.)
And your wedding ring.
572) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107671)
Posted 31 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: it's snowing.
Nope, not an April Fool's Day joke.

Luckily I am at home with the flu.
573) Message boards : Questions and problems : Invalid RPC password. Try to reinstall software (Message 107652)
Posted 30 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5418
You may have a look in VirtualBox Manager. From the File menu choose Virtual Media Manager.
Maybe you see some vdi's with a yellow warning triangle.
Select one and choose 'Remove' from the icon menu above.
574) Message boards : Questions and problems : No free DC? (Message 107620)
Posted 28 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
In https://universeathome.pl/universe/prefs.php?subset=project make sure Do you consent to exporting your data to BOINC statistics aggregation Web sites? is checked.
575) Message boards : Projects : Rosetta@home needs help (Message 107614)
Posted 28 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, though it would require a rogue moderator for that to happen
We had a moderator go haywire, banishing a project admin who posted on here because he didn't agree with what the project admin was telling him. That moderator then got a banish, of course. He wasn't to be reasoned with anymore. It took David to reset the project admin's account.

So yes, that admin role is only for that one trusted person behind BOINC Moderator. And David.

The post and thread delete option really deletes things, it's not possible to get what you delete back. The moderator option to hide posts merely hides them from view for non-moderators. The posts and threads are still there. They can be unhidden. But once deleted, they cannot be undeleted. Or there must've been a backup made of the database in between.
576) Message boards : Projects : Rosetta@home needs help (Message 107604)
Posted 28 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be nice if the forum software had a delete all posts by spammuser option.
It does, but it's an administrator option because it writes (or in this case deletes) records directly from the database.
577) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a way to get BOINC to give priority to Tasks with short "time to deadline"? (Message 107589)
Posted 27 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If BOINC were to exclusively run the tasks with the short deadline first, then when would it run the tasks with the long deadline?
BOINC makes calculations based on the information that the project gives to the tasks whether it can run tasks within the given deadline, and run them accordingly. And even if it cannot run all tasks on your system within the deadline, there's no man overboard as most projects have a redundancy where tasks are run by multiple computers. And tasks not run on yours will be run on another's.
578) Message boards : Questions and problems : Download, upload, and Notices don't work on wired LAN; work on wireless guest LAN (Message 107575)
Posted 25 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure if your problem doesn't stem from your Windows 7 and it not receiving required security updates anymore.

You can still update it to Windows 10 without charge (as long as it is a non-pirated version to be begin with), ever thought of that?
579) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 107570)
Posted 24 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Been a year already, but I only just found out.
Victor Ambrus, British, 85, Hungarian-born British illustrator of history, folk tales, and animal story books. He also became known from his appearances on the Channel 4 television archaeology series Time Team, on which he visualised how sites under excavation may have once looked.
580) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 107566)
Posted 24 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stephen Wilhite, American, 74, inventor of the GIF (pronounced jif).
581) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to insert an image in a post? (Message 107520)
Posted 21 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
The image should be posted on some picture hosting service on the net and put the url-address of the picture between the [img] tags.
Additionally, the image -URL should end on .jpg, .bpm or .gif , it cannot be the 'anonymous URL' some image sites use. A good free one is https://imgbb.com/
582) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107508)
Posted 20 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time Team had its new episodes the past days. If you didn't see them, here they are:
Dig 1, Day 1
Dig 1, Day 2
Dig 1, Day 3

Enjoy.
583) Message boards : Questions and problems : E_mail "New post....." when post is by someone in your twit list. (Message 107492)
Posted 19 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is a twit list? You mean the filtered list?
If that's what you meant, do know that most mechanisms on this site were developed independent of each other and are very dumb (as in not intelligent).
So the email notification was there first, the filter users list was added later, but no one added a mechanism to the email list to ignore notifications about filtered users.
If you truly want it, we can put it on the Github Issues list.

Now why are you filtering me? 😜
584) Message boards : Questions and problems : Next new release? (Message 107455)
Posted 18 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
What about those nightly builds? Are they still done?
I always forget where these artifacts are. Once found for a hot second I immediately forget how I got there.
585) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android, getting too many wu's to handle in time (Message 107449)
Posted 18 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're the first to report it. I'm no longer running my Android farm, so cannot test it.
I'm also assuming it isn't happening when you only switch to 7 days of work and then immediately back again, but that it needs several scheduler contacts before it crashes? Because that's more difficult to test even.
586) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android, getting too many wu's to handle in time (Message 107438)
Posted 17 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC on Android uses its own scheduler and work request code. It will ignore any such settings from websites. You can only set work requests from within the BOINC Manager GUI on Android.


So, when the client crashes when you go from 7 days worth of work back to 0.1 days worth of work, it is a problem with the BOINC client for Android, and so you will need to tell the developer about it.
The developer talregev can as far as I know only been found on Github, which is why this needs to be reported there. Perhaps that even AenBleidd (Vitalii Koshura) can take a quick look at it.

If this is truly a problem with the scheduler and work fetch code, it can only be fixed with a new client.
587) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107427)
Posted 17 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hidden, probably. Deleted, no.
I just saw the number of posts sit at 19999 in the index last night (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_index.php) and thought: why hasn't anyone snatched that one yet?
588) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android, getting too many wu's to handle in time (Message 107426)
Posted 17 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds to me like a bug in the work buffer code, and since BOINC is crashing it's not one we can easily solve without the developer's help. So please post the problem on https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
589) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107407)
Posted 17 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Post 20,000 in this forum. 🎉🥳
590) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107339)
Posted 11 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not Safe For Work or Children's Eyes: the new video clip and song of Rammstein: Zeit.

Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbHGS_bVkXY
591) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107338)
Posted 11 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
They've seen the light (glinting off the pitchforks no doubt) and now it's per April 1st that petrol will go down 17cts per liter, diesel 11cts per liter (which of course helps nothing when looking at the past week when just 20cts were added)
VAT on energy is still going down on July 1st, from 21% to 9%.
The lowest incomes will get a form of subsidy up to 800 euros to compensate the high costs of their energy bill.
592) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107334)
Posted 10 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yay! Oh Glory! Our Government is lowering taxes and VAT on energy and fuel. They've listened to us! Yay!

...

Per July 1st.
Right.
Ey?
Wow!
593) Message boards : Questions and problems : How recent is "users with recent credit" on a project's server status page? (Message 107323)
Posted 9 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a statistic. It'll give you a quick view of how active this project is, how many people are actually running it.
The RAC > 1 is primarily used on forums to counter spammers, since the believe is that spammers don't add computers to go crunch data to get a RAC above 1 to then post their spam.
594) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107316)
Posted 8 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Today all our Internet Service Providers blocked Sputnik and RT.com - a thing easily circumvented by using a third party DNS like 1.1.1.1/1.0.0.1 - to be in concordance with EU regulations. Not blocking it is an offense, it would seem. Not sure what circumventing it is. 😉

Meanwhile our gasoline prices went up a further 11 cents since yesterday, at gas pumps on the motorway you now pay €2,45 per liter E95
The LNG price also went through the roof. For a while there, prices were €345 per MWh, later going down to around €255,- .. Mind, in January they were €70,- per MWh.
Then the grain price increased by 6%, bread is already becoming a very expensive commodity people can't buy anymore.

Our government is looking into things and will let us know within the next 4 weeks if they're going to help us or not. But we shouldn't expect much. A lot of overhead was spent on corona, the coffers are empty. Yes... because they've put 60 billion euros in two hobbies they want to solve: climate and nitrogen.

No country in the world has a problem with nitrogen, but we do and damn you, we'll solve it. By buying out all farmers and shoo'ing them out of the country. We're not allowed to drive harder than 100 kph either so we don't expel so much nitrogen. Planes you say? Planes don't expel nitrogen, or not that much according to the great thinkers here. No, anything above 3,000 feet they won't count, so planes are exempt. 😂
(In reality, the "nitrogen report" a couple of years back was written with the wrong calculations, but because our government doesn't want to cop to that, they're continuing on with those wrong numbers. We even have a Minister of Climate and Environment. Yes.)

But at least you should've invested in nickel, as when you did before today you're now a multi-millionaire. The price of nickel skyrocketed to $100,000.- per metric ton before the LME stopped trading it. Let's see what's next.
595) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107315)
Posted 8 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time Team is about to return with new episodes.

Mark https://youtube.com/c/TimeTeamOfficial where episodes will air for free.

March 18/19/20 at 6pm GMT, Cornwall dig.
April 8/9/10 at 6pm BST, Oxfordshire dig

Additional exclusive events on their Patreon channel.

Now with announcement video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ace87QKy8
Let's see who you all recognize.
596) Message boards : Questions and problems : How recent is "users with recent credit" on a project's server status page? (Message 107310)
Posted 8 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
... and with 29,697 total credit, RAC is currently zero.
No, it shows as zero, because of the forum software only showing 2 digits after the decimal point. It isn't zero.
29,697-> 14,848.5 -> 7,424.25 ->3,712.125 -> 1,856,0625 -> 928.03125 -> 464.015625 -> 232.0078125 -> 116.00390625 -> 58.001953125 -> 29.0009765625 -> 14.50048828125 -> 7.250244140625 -> 3.6251220703125 -> 1.81256103515625 -> 0.906280517578125 -> 0.4531402587890625 -> 0.22657012939453125 -> 0.113285064697265625 -> 0.0566425323486328125 -> 0.02832126617431640625 -> 0.014160633087158203125 -> 0.0070803165435791015625 -> 0.00354015827178955078125 -> 0.001770079135894775390625 -> 0.0008850395679473876953125

Etcetera.
597) Message boards : Questions and problems : How recent is "users with recent credit" on a project's server status page? (Message 107309)
Posted 8 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
In BOINC, recent average credit (RAC) is computed as an exponentially weighted average with a half-life of one week. In other words, if an entity is not granted any credit for one week, its RAC will decline by 50%

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/boinc_papers/credit/text.php#:~:text=In%20BOINC%2C%20recent%20average%20credit,updated%20whenever%20credit%20is%20granted.
598) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107299)
Posted 7 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time Team is about to return with new episodes.

Mark https://youtube.com/c/TimeTeamOfficial where episodes will air for free.

March 18/19/20 at 6pm GMT, Cornwall dig.
April 8/9/10 at 6pm BST, Oxfordshire dig

Additional exclusive events on their Patreon channel.
599) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107292)
Posted 7 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
And how's that climate change and not just (freak) weather?
600) Message boards : Android : Recommended max temperature for Boinc on Android phone (Message 107289)
Posted 6 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
As ever, with computing components, the best course of action to take to cool things down is a moving air stream across the surface of the computing device. You don't just jot a multi-core CPU in your case without cooling it with a fan either, do you? So just place a fan next to your Android devices that blows its air over the front or back of the devices and it'll cool your device down. A small USB powered desk fan will do. It's cheaper than replacing the battery every 3 months.
601) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107278)
Posted 5 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fairphone forum suggests if you only buy cables that are certified, they will fit.
In other words, their cables which are available at a premium.
602) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107276)
Posted 5 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-teams-harrowing-account-of-their-violent-ambush-in-ukraine-this-week-12557585

Watch the video.
603) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107274)
Posted 4 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is that Darth Invader? Israeli TV channel unwittingly runs 'live footage' from Ukraine... showing a crash-landed TIE fighter from Star Wars
604) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107257)
Posted 3 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm standard out of beer (and wine and other alcoholic beverages) as I am a teetotaler.

Thanks for the support, guys.
605) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 107245)
Posted 2 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: I'm now officially out of Twinings tea, having just made a cup of Focus with my last bag. Yesterday already finished Glow. Haven't had Calm in months. Or Sleep.
Let's see if I can order it somewhere. Here, all shaking.
606) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107238)
Posted 1 Mar 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

Better site than Fligthradar24 as this page allows to follow only military planes - as long as they have their transponders on, that is.
It's quite busy in the skies over Eastern Poland.
607) Message boards : Android : I'm not able to add projects to BOINC on my new mobile telephone using Android 12 (Message 107230)
Posted 28 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit to add you should restart your phone afterwards.
Uhm why? It's Android, not Windows.
There's absolutely no reason on Android to restart the phone after having installed BOINC. Or any app for that matter. Only when system updates have been installed does the phone need a reboot, all other cases, never. You can find the BOINC app between the other apps (normally swipe up from any empty desktop) and start it by pressing it.
608) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107222)
Posted 28 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great.
Ukraine belongs in EU, Commission chief von der Leyen says
‘They are one of us and we want them in,’ European Commission president says.

Uh... no we don't. Stop pulling us into this war, woman.
609) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107213)
Posted 27 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not funny anymore. Putin's just put his nuclear forces on high alert. Can someone stop that fool, please, before he presses the button?
610) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107203)
Posted 25 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nvidia is being attacked via cyber attacks.
Anonymous meanwhile has hacked the Russian Ministry of Defence and leaked all their email addresses.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-investigating-potential-cyber-attack-on-its-internal-systems
https://twitter.com/YourAnonTV/status/1497273131567828992

And British Airways?
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ba-investigating-technical-issue-still-operating-flights-2022-02-25/
611) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107193)
Posted 25 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, whatever you do, don't come and tank your petrol in The Netherlands: https://www.unitedconsumers.com/tanken/informatie/brandstofprijs-historie.asp

Euro95 € 2,221
Diesel € 1,899
LPG € 1,159
612) Message boards : GPUs : Built in AMD GPUs - can they just do the regular AMD GPU Boinc tasks? (Message 107183)
Posted 24 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=APU+Renoir+Integrated+GPU&modele=Radeon+%28384+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc
https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=APU+Renoir+Integrated+GPU&modele=Radeon+%28448+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc

https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=R7+Integrated+GPU&modele=Radeon+R7+Integrated+GPU+%28384+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc
https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=R7+Integrated+GPU&modele=Radeon+R7+Integrated+GPU+%28512+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc
613) Message boards : GPUs : Built in AMD GPUs - can they just do the regular AMD GPU Boinc tasks? (Message 107182)
Posted 24 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=Vega+Integrated+GPU&modele=Vega+3+%28192+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc
https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=Vega+Integrated+GPU&modele=Vega+8+%28512+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc
https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=Vega+Integrated+GPU&modele=RX+Vega+10+%28640+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc
https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/gpu.py?fabricant=ATI&type=Vega+Integrated+GPU&modele=RX+Vega+11+%28704+shaders%29&tri=projet&sort=asc

If all these work, then GCN5 will work as well, as long as you have the Radeon drivers installed.
614) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 107179)
Posted 24 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looking at the quick rise of energy prices, you wouldn't care because before that time you can't run any BOINC projects anymore unless you're rich and invested in gold and silver - all cryptos are in free fall.
615) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 107165)
Posted 22 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gary Brooker, 76, singer, songwriter, composer, lead frontman of Procol Harum (A whiter shade of pale)
616) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 107154)
Posted 20 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our wheelie bin got a ticket for doing 60 up the high street which is a 30 limit.
You sure it wasn't a lady walking over a bridge with a tee shirt resembling your license plate on it?
617) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 107147)
Posted 18 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Y'all still there? Or did Eunice blow you away?
618) Message boards : Questions and problems : Getting GPU work when told not to (Message 107146)
Posted 18 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein has some extra Project preferences which may interfere here:

Of course there's: "Run only the selected applications"
With options:
Run only the selected applications
Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo)
Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo, GPU)
Gamma-ray pulsar binary search #1
Gamma-ray pulsar search #5
Gamma-ray pulsar binary search #1 (GPU)
Gravitational Wave search O2 Multi-Directional
Gravitational Wave search O2 Multi-Directional GPU
Gravitational Wave search O3 All-Sky
Then there's these:

Run CPU versions of applications for which GPU versions are available:

Allow non-preferred apps:
If no work for selected applications are available, accept tasks from other applications?
If these are set to Yes, BOINC will happily follow through and ask for CPU work even if "Use CPU?" is set to No. Doesn't matter which server version they sport.
As ever, with running BOINC comes some responsibility from the user, to set all the possible preferences correctly. The client and the server don't (necessarily) know about a CPU or GPU, but they do know about the science applications (through the plan class). And neither cares what hardware resource those applications use.
619) Message boards : Questions and problems : Now that WCG is down, looking for Android 10/11 projects; Still no asteroids? (Message 107134)
Posted 17 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Moo! And Yoyo give me computation errors.
As stated before, these require a 32bit Android, which if run on a 64bit CPU requires 32bit compatibility libraries, something you cannot install under Android (unless you root the device and put your own ROM on it and figure out which libraries you require).
Rosetta is still running the cpu very hot.
Use a fan to blow over the surface of the phone, it really helps. I've run Rosetta for quite a while on 4 Android devices without any problems. I had a 240mm fan blow over the glass surface of all devices.
620) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspended CPU is busy. (Message 107081)
Posted 14 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked this option several years ago (or in the future if you read the ticket right): #675.
If it hasn't been added now, chances are it'll never get added.

You can use the batch file I added to that ticket, if you really really want to rid yourself of everything BOINC.
621) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspended CPU is busy. (Message 107066)
Posted 12 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, two things you could try.

1) Exit BOINC and remove the global_prefs_override.xml file, then start BOINC and allow the BOINC Manager Computing Preferences to write it again (Save).
2) Up <suspend_cpu_usage> to 100 and try that.
622) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspended CPU is busy. (Message 107063)
Posted 12 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you navigate to F:\ProgramData\BOINC, find and open global_prefs_override.xml in Notepad (no XML reader necessary, Notepad will suffice), copy all contents and post those here?
623) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 107045)
Posted 10 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Betty Davis, 77, American funk and soul singer.
624) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 107044)
Posted 10 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
But it will decrease your power output, over a period, so that your speed decreases.
And then you press the pedal in deeper and that'll override this.

https://etsc.eu/intelligent-speed-assistance-specifications-officially-published/:
The most effective and appreciated systems, already available since 2015 on several vehicles, assist drivers by cutting engine power once the legal speed limit has been reached. The driver can override the system by pushing further down on the accelerator pedal.

The most basic system allowed simply features an audible warning that starts a few moments after the vehicle exceeds the speed limit and continues for a maximum of five seconds.

That reads as "not all systems will be using the same method".

By the way, about the reading of the signs:
https://etsc.eu/new-legislation-will-boost-availability-of-digital-speed-limit-information/:
In addition to cameras, well-performing ISA systems also use maps to determine the applicable speed limit for the road the vehicle is driving on.
625) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 107041)
Posted 10 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
and after that, in 2025 I think, if it detects that you are above what it thinks is the speed limit it will decrease the power output so that you slow down. It will not be applying the brakes.
No, it won't do that. That's already been said that this automated brake won't be included, for the reasons you give. Also, you can disable this detection thing, only thing is, you have to do so after every time you start the car.
626) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 107033)
Posted 9 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your 20 is 30 here, and on some of these roads every light post and tree has a separate 30 kph sign. Still, people, preferably the people living in that street or a side-street, drive 50 kph or faster and ignore the speed limit. Some try to drive as fast as their cars let them.
627) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Enhancement Request: improvement to "Suspend" (Message 107023)
Posted 8 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Right-click the BOINC icon in the system tray and use Snooze, which pauses BOINC for one hour.
628) Message boards : Questions and problems : M.2 drives and GPU (Message 106989)
Posted 3 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm still wondering if we're not making it more difficult than it is by checking the PCIe protocol for issues.

For the SSD: as I said, plenty more people have the problem with not being able to flash the new firmware on that SSD. I haven't read the thread I linked to to the end (no time, really), so I don't know if it's been solved now for everyone. Then again, it can be a problem with your motherboard/BIOS (*).

For the GPU detection problem and BOINC, I think it's a coincidence that it does this from the NVMe SSD and not the SATA SSD or the HDD.

(*)That said, I checked your BIOS and find there's a new update for your BIOS, which does: Fix that M2_1 NVMe SSD only works as PCIe 3.0 x2 when using some AMD CPUs.
Which could be exactly your problem. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PLUS-MAX/support#down-bios (it helped that I look at the correct motherboard. I was checking the X470 Gaming Plus, but it's an X470 Gaming Plus Max)

Try the Beta BIOS first and see if that fixes things for you.
629) Message boards : Questions and problems : Getting GPU work when told not to (Message 106988)
Posted 3 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If your boss tells you to take some leave because you look tired, you don't go hunting for more work to add to your pile, causing the clients to have an unknown delay.
But your boss will still pile up some work for you to do when you come back. Because this is your specialty.

If you do not want your boss (== the project) to pile up work that only you can do, you tell him you're not available (== at project preferences, uncheck use of GPU).
630) Message boards : Questions and problems : Getting GPU work when told not to (Message 106984)
Posted 3 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes I've done that as a workaround.
That's not a workaround, that is the way to do it. Appointing hardware resources is a project preference, so you set this preference via the projects web pages, all of them and if that's a bother, you use an account manager.

Vitalii is correct in your ticket #4623 that the local client doesn't know if the GPU is going to be disabled forever or not, that's a decision you make and so you should communicate it correctly to the client.
631) Message boards : Questions and problems : M.2 drives and GPU (Message 106975)
Posted 3 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry for the delay, and it's going to take me a little longer. Something came up in real life that takes precedent over anything I do the next days, so I hope someone else looks in, else the nearest I am available again is Monday.
632) Message boards : Questions and problems : M.2 drives and GPU (Message 106960)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Magician not being able to flash the drive seems quite a big clue. But you're not the only one...

I'll check your log tomorrow as it's midnight for me as well, Nederland weet je?
633) Message boards : Questions and problems : M.2 drives and GPU (Message 106955)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
4) Why does BOINC work fine on SSD (SATA) and HDD (SATA) but not on M.2?
BOINC worked fine on both my Samsung SSDs, one NVMe M.2, one SATA.
How do you have everything connected? Your HDD and optical drive are connected to which SATA ports?

Furthermore, your motherboard details warn:
SATA1 port will be unavailable when installing SATA M.2 SSD in M2_2 slot.
PCI_E6 slot will be unavailable when installing PCIe M.2 SSD in M2_2 slot.


Did you install Samsung Magician and check if the drive needs a firmware update? Also check the drives for errors.
634) Message boards : Questions and problems : M.2 drives and GPU (Message 106954)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
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Download the HWiNFO64 installer, install and run it, on the first screen uncheck "Sensors only", then click Run.
Next check in the Bus section what's all using PCIe lanes and how many.
635) Message boards : Questions and problems : M.2 drives and GPU (Message 106952)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
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You would think there would be an error about the data if there was no more data to be seen on D:
Well, there is, BOINC would prompt you that there are no projects added, and make a new data directory. But before it can get there it has to go through its startup routine, among which is the detection of the GPU(s). And if it fails there, it'll just exit.
636) Message boards : Questions and problems : M.2 drives and GPU (Message 106949)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
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I've been through the idea of used up PCIe lanes. But that does not make sense. A Ryzen 7 3700x has 24 lanes. The GPU's (1080 and 1050) use 8 lanes each. The CPU uses 4. That's 20. There should be 4 left.
SATA and USB (as well as Ethernet, Thunderbolt, U.2, ExpressCard and OcuLink) use PCIe lanes as well.

But, having said that, the GPU error you get may indicate you have a memory error on one of the GPUs or a problem with your video card driver.
I'd check the latter first, as that's easiest solved: just download the newest Nvidia driver and clean install it for both GPUs.

Else, check your GPU's memory: this site has 6 free programs to check your GPU memory (and it's written by HAL9000, I see).

Edit: after you moved your data directory to the M.2 SSD, did you tell BOINC (via the installer, or registry) that this is the new data directory?
637) Message boards : BOINC client : Where do we post release notes these days? (Message 106947)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
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The Release Notes Richard's documentation points at are the official ones which do omit things sometimes.

Because that always irked me, I started gathering all of them, first manually going through all commits on SVN, later Trac, and later Github. Although here I also used some grep commands to go through the long lists of updates, and it's why I have the disclaimer "The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced.", in case parts are in the list I wrote that aren't in the client/manager, or they are in there but not in the list.

I no longer have the source code on my computer, nor am I interested in getting it again, which is the main reason why I quit writing the change logs. You can do it however you want, but I just plead to you, don't follow the 'official method' because then you're just telling the users that some changes in the log are need to know - and they don't need to know.
638) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106940)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
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Gmail is deactivating parts of my settings for certain email accounts I have, based on the fact they can't check that I am 18 and older. Is fine. I am not sending a photo of my ID to Google.
639) Message boards : BOINC client : Where do we post release notes these days? (Message 106939)
Posted 1 Feb 2022 by Profile Jord
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You can't decide to ignore certain uodates or parts thereof. How is a user to know that you decided to leave possible key updates out only because you 'feel' they don't belong?

Especially in these, without the CA update BOINC wouldn't be able to connect to certain projects whose certification has expired.

You're already omitting parts based on your gut feeling and this update only had four lines? How's that going to be when an update has 30-40 lines, or more even?

The fun part starts with whole new clients, when the major number changes from 7 to 8, those are usually all lifted from Master and it's not clear if updates actually made it into the new client, or not. And that's when you then ask the developer or release manager.

But you never decide on your own title that updates shouldn't be listed just because...
640) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 106933)
Posted 31 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Best report this directly to BOINC Github, as then the developers can look in. I suspect it's something to do with the specific Android version, perhaps that they know a workaround.
641) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android version 11 and above - "Charging temporarily limited" (Message 106927)
Posted 31 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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You can set in the preferences how much the battery must be charged as far as I know. Just show the advanced options menu. The battery option has a slider.

And if not yet updated, do update to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.18.1.apk (only available from the BOINC website)
642) Message boards : BOINC client : Where do we post release notes these days? (Message 106926)
Posted 31 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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If the developers can't be bothered to write them... I essentially stopped writing them because it was quite a bit of work and thought that after all these years someone else could do it, get them out of the source code and post them. I'll sticky them.

No one else stepped up to the fray either, everyone is pointing to someone else. 🤷🏼‍♂️
643) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 106911)
Posted 29 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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This isn't my celebratory sign, it's something I found in Cyberpunk 2077 😂
644) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 106909)
Posted 28 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
645) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106908)
Posted 28 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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I haven't seen the new highway code yet
It is law from tomorrow onwards, with fines up to £1,000.-

I'm checking https://www.dutchreach.org/ and see:
- Dutch kids learn it from parents & in school. -- Uhm, not that I know of.
I've taught the daughters of my best friend to use the mirror first, then look over their shoulder before opening the door, but not with their left hand (driver's side is left for us, passenger side is right)

-It’s taught in drivers’ ed, and used to pass their driving test. -- Nope, neither. We do get to squint at a car's number plate 50 meters away, does that count?

- It's been Dutch commonsense for 50 years. -- Mirrors yes, not this thing. Ask any Dutchman how they get out of their car and maybe 1 in 50 tells you they'll do it this way, but certainly not because they were taught it 50 years ago.

Still don't know why you have to blame us for so many things:
- Going Dutch
- Double Dutch
- Being Dutch
- Smoking a Dutch
- Dutch American
- Being in Dutch
646) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106905)
Posted 28 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Before anyone blames me again: Highway Code: 'Dutch reach' rule change to Highway Code welcomed, do know we don't have anything like that, but we do learn from the first lesson to check mirrors before doing anything with the car: change lane, drive away, park or unpark and before you step out of your car.
647) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106901)
Posted 27 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Oh, ah. This needs no explanation: https://www.polygon.com/22902459/crysis-4-announcement-crytek
648) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106900)
Posted 27 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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How about:
A rocket launched by Elon Musk's space exploration company is on course to crash into the Moon and explode.

The Falcon 9 booster was launched in 2015 but after completing its mission, it did not have enough fuel to return towards Earth and instead remained in space.
649) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106891)
Posted 26 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why must I always look at something? Why can't you be nice and post something for Richard?
650) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive applications is very limited (Message 106877)
Posted 25 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm suspecting he's short of PCI-Express lanes. Does Boinc talk to GPUs differently to Folding at home? Perhaps one is a lower level connection?
I suspect on short notice it's a lack of PCIe lanes as well.

"On Ryzen CPUs, 16 are dedicated to PCIe slots, four are dedicated to other components such as M. 2 slot, USB or SATA controllers and the final 4 connect to the motherboard chipset."

His motherboard details are here.
The amount of lanes are dictated by the CPU, he has 24.
651) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive applications is very limited (Message 106875)
Posted 25 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Can it not distinguish between a "CPU task" and a "GPU task"? I can see when it asks for work it requests one or the other or both from each project. In the tasks tab, status column of boinc manager, it clearly states when a task requires the use of a GPU, so it must know which are which.
BOINC doesn't suspend tasks, instead it suspends the executing of the actual science application. And to know where those are in the memory of the computer, it needs to figure out which are which and separate them from all the other processes running on the computer and then halt the correct one as usually you have more than one of them running.

That you can see tasks by CPU or GPU in BOINC Manager is just because the projects and the client use something called a plan class, in which it's stipulated whether an application should run on a particular host; what resources it will use (# of CPUs and GPUs, optionally memory usage); how fast it is expected to run. But even with these plan classes in place, BOINC still doesn't know which science application does what and more critically, where it's at this moment on the computer (or which process ID it uses).

And while it is wiser to actually name the science application for the plan class, not all projects may do that. It's not necessary to name an application that runs its data on Nvidia GPUs prutteldeprut_nvidia.exe, as BOINC doesn't care about that, although it helps the human trying to make heads or tails from things. A majority of the OpenCL applications are exactly the same between hardware versions and while the project could get away with just releasing the one app one time (that runs on all hardware), they now usually release one per hardware iteration (Nvidia, AMD, Intel).

Now, all this is very lightly explained, if you need extremely more detail you can always dive into the available documentation. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that, but a bit of technical knowledge and programming insight will help.
652) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive applications is very limited (Message 106871)
Posted 25 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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When you manually suspend a task, the BOINC client suspends that task's science application based on its process ID in the threads list. BOINC therefore enumerates all running threads and has to identify those belonging to the process you want to suspend. It may look easy, "look I point and click and it pauses", but you don't know what kind of code sits behind that. It's 176 lines of C++ code.
653) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive applications is very limited (Message 106867)
Posted 24 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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But the amount of CPU effort to support a GPU is minimal.
It doesn't matter if the CPU uses 1% or 99% to run the application that does the translating of the data from the task to kernels that the GPU can run. As long as the CPU runs the application, you cannot pause only CPU tasks and continue to run work on the GPU, because without the CPU the science application can't run any work on the GPU.

There should be an option to pause CPU tasks.
How do you make the distinction between tasks running on the CPU only and tasks that run on the CPU but do translation work for the GPU? Both run on the CPU. Both show in Windows Task Manager as prutteldeprut.exe
There's no distinction between the two. GPU work runs on the CPU. A lot of tasks even do a majority of work on the CPU and only a little bit on the GPU.
654) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive applications is very limited (Message 106865)
Posted 24 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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The amount of CPU used for the GPU is minimal.
All science applications run on the CPU. Whether they do their science only on the CPU, or partly on the GPU, the actual science application runs on the CPU. Which is why you cannot pause the CPU without pausing the GPU as well. Games do exactly the same thing, they run on the CPU and output data to the GPU. The GPU doesn't actually run any program, GPUs aren't capable of running any programs.

When doing work on the GPU, the CPU does all the heavy lifting. It will translate the data that needs to run on the GPU into kernels that the GPU understands, transfer the kernels to the GPU, have a pause while the GPU runs that work, transfer the outcoming data back to RAM, translate it back into something the humans can understand and write it to disk. There's really not much that the GPU does in this, other than run kernel after kernel after kernel.
655) Message boards : News : Welcome Ramanujan Machine (Message 106834)
Posted 21 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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In case you wonder, this project has an invitation code showing on the front page.
656) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106832)
Posted 20 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Don't agree with his getting rid of mandatory masks on public transport which is likely to prolong the problems of NHS staff absence due to infection.
You do know that the masks help exactly nothing? That 3/4 of the population don't even wear them correctly? That if you wanted to use masks, that they need to be either the medical ones (and worn correctly, covering both nose and mouth and flush against the skin on all sides, especially around the nose, so no air can escape here) or full face masks that literally take your breath away and store it in a bottle?

They might also want to come up with a vaccine that actually helps against contracting covid, just like all the other vaccines we have in this world help you against contracting those viruses. Not that you still be able to get it, and then walk around with it without showing any symptoms, while all the while you're as contagious as the person you're all so scared for: the unvaccinated with covid.
657) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106824)
Posted 19 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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"Boris Johnson told MPs that people will no longer be told to work from home and, from Thursday next week when Plan B measures lapse, mandatory Covid certification will end. The Government will also no longer mandate the wearing of face masks anywhere from next Thursday and they will be scrapped in classrooms from this Thursday."
658) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106823)
Posted 19 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Congrats Brits.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-latest-news-coronavirus-restrictions-tests-cases-vaccine/

Omicron is "in retreat" but we have not reached the "finish line" in the fight against coronavirus, Sajid Javid has warned.

Confirming the end of Plan B restrictions in England, the Health Secretary told a Downing Street press conference that the relaxation of measures was a "major milestone".

"But it's not the end of the road and we shouldn't see this as the finish line because we cannot eradicate this virus and its future variants,” he added.

"Instead we must learn to live with Covid in the same way we have to live with flu."

It comes after the Prime Minister today confirmed an immediate end to work-from-home guidance, with compulsory mask-wearing and mandatory Covid passes to be scrapped next Thursday.


Attaboy. Now, let's follow that all over the world, shall we?
659) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 106821)
Posted 19 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Johnson was telling lies long before 2010 when Rutte became prime minister of The Netherlands.
Perhaps, but he wasn't PM of the UK then. Rutte has been PM since 2010 and has lied and lied and lied and lied and gotten away with it every time. Even today he lied several times in debate with the House of Representatives. There's just no one who's sending him home.
660) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 106819)
Posted 19 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Johnson tells lies
He must've looked at our PM, Rutte, and thought: hmmm, I can do that.
661) Message boards : Projects : Need a new project (Message 106812)
Posted 18 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Bryn Mawr wrote:
I understand that you need to run the installer with admin rights (right click and select run as admin)
This isn't necessary. A power user and 'normal' admin account can install BOINC as a service.

Bryn Mawr wrote:
Here are the instructions for one of the older installers but I believe it is the same now -

https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_install_BOINC_as_a_service_(BOINC_7_series)_on_Windows%3F
The installer hasn't changed, only the BOINC client and manager inside the installer have changed considerably over time. Thanks for pointing to my FAQ. ;-)

The only downside of installing as a service is that you cannot use the GPU (and probably not VirtualBox either), due to security measures in Windows with regard to who's using the drivers. The limited user accounts the service installation adds for use of BOINC and the science applications cannot use the drivers (for the GPU for instance) because these are installed under the user account you install with. If you can live with that, it's quite secure.

Steven Gaber wrote:
I didn't mean to imply that Putin himself would bother with my computer. But there's an army of Russian miscreants out there who are wreaking cyber havoc on governmental, commercial and private networks.
{off-topic} As are several (government) groups any country in the world utilizes.{/off-topic}

PS: quotes start with the {quote} tage and end with the closing {/quote} tag. (exchange square brackets [ ] for squiggly brackets { } )
662) Message boards : Projects : Need a new project (Message 106802)
Posted 17 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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People, please fix your quotes before you post.

Edit: as for the suggestion that Putin can take over your computer via a project within BOINC, he probably could if he wanted to. But then he'd probably use a zero day exploit within your operating system of choice that is unknown by that operating system of choice, as that's easier to widespread use than via a BOINC project that only a handful of people use.

If you want to be sure that even the project cannot do anything on your computer other than do science, uninstall BOINC & reinstall it as a service. This way only the BOINC limited user account can run BOINC and the science applications run in strict sandbox.
663) Message boards : Server programs : Custom validator (boinc-server-docker) (Message 106799)
Posted 17 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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As you noticed, neither the developers, nor many of the project admins are on these forums. Best course of action is to post your question to the BOINC Projects email list or BOINC Github. We're all more experts on the client and manager but not the server side.
664) Message boards : Promotion : New Credit Award System (Message 106778)
Posted 14 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm so sorry to hear that you're involved with the crypto scheme.
Well, consider this. I put in $1,000 and am walking away with $5,500. A friend of mine is investing my €400,- and will return to me €19,000 if all is well in a couple of months. How's that a scheme? It's just investing. It has a better return than my bank (0% interest).
665) Message boards : Promotion : New Credit Award System (Message 106775)
Posted 14 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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Penalties should be life in prison.
You'll have to jail me too then, looking at my bitcoins that I am in the process of exchanging into different cryptos. Who will then remove the spammers?
666) Message boards : Promotion : New Credit Award System (Message 106774)
Posted 14 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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If you want projects and the developers to notice this, I suggest you post this (with a link to this thread) to Github BOINC and the BOINC Projects email list. I did point it out to David Anderson but don't know if he will react.
667) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106749)
Posted 11 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny. I'm watching TechLinked from Linus Tech Tips, news about the new AMD 7000 series chips. Sample chips are out there being used by people. Then a screen from a computer account in one of the BOINC projects is shown to show its capabilities. So, anyone can guess which project uses that colour scheme?
668) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106732)
Posted 9 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
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And another spammer bites the dust, this one came in through PM. He PM'ed me with it as well. So bye bye, McJacob.
669) Message boards : Questions and problems : Aborted: not started by deadline (Message 106714)
Posted 8 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Universe is down because of a crashed hard drive in their server that they cannot replace until the end of this month. To get rid of those tasks they have to be reported to the server, and since that server is down, there's not much you can do aside from wait until the project is back online.
670) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rosetta only runs 2 tasks where other projects run 8 (Message 106705)
Posted 7 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have 8GB memory

But only 6.7GB used (86%) and the Virtual Box processes for Rosetta are each 3.5MB
That 6.7GB used could already account for the Rosetta tasks not doing anything as they try to reserve memory that isn't there, hence why they run at 3.5MB, idle. But since they reserve that memory - in BOINC - no other task can run either.

You can check that with <task_debug>, <cpu_sched_debug> or <mem_usage_debug> (or another debug option, but it's been quite a while since I ran BOINC and forget what does what)
671) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106704)
Posted 7 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another good one bites the dust. Sniff.
672) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 106685)
Posted 5 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least Firefox says that an error occurred, Chrome is less obvious:
This site can’t be reached

The webpage at https://boincstats.com/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
ERR_HTTP2_PROTOCOL_ERROR
673) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 106683)
Posted 5 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhile at BOINCstats:
Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to boincstats.com.

- The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
- Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
674) Message boards : News : Windows communication failure: temporary workaround (Message 106668)
Posted 4 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
If just one projects cannot upload, it's usually down to the project having problems with its servers. Check if their website is there, check their forums.
Since Universe's website doesn't load for me, you can easily assume it's their problem and you'll have to wait until they return. No number of redownloading and reinstalling of BOINC will fix an external project going broken and not contactable. It happens at times.

Edit: Also keep an eye on the New on Project Outages thread at the top of this forum, in it people will report whether a project is up or not. Universe was reported as missing on January 2nd.
675) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106666)
Posted 4 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord, sorry you had Moderna, worse side effects.
I'm not sorry, the side effects of the first AstraZeneca were worse: I couldn't use my left arm for 3 days, it was just hanging there. So in context, these are normal.

Still, get well soon.
676) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106652)
Posted 3 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, I don't know what your symptoms are, but having had my booster on the 1st of January, my side effects have been so far:
- severe headache
- pain in eyes
- dizziness
- sweating
- painful arm
- best killing mood

I'm sure they're side effects, not an actual covid infection. I also know I shouldn't try my self test as that one will probably be positive due to the mRNA crap Moderna put in my body.
677) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106646)
Posted 3 Jan 2022 by Profile Jord
Post:
Get well soon, Gary
678) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy New Year! (Message 106638)
Posted 31 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're officially in 2022 now.

Or

🤣
679) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy New Year! (Message 106625)
Posted 31 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all of you switching over to 2022 at one point today, Happy New Year!
680) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106601)
Posted 29 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
NFL Hall of Fame coach, broadcasting icon John Madden dies at 85
681) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106554)
Posted 27 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Richard "Demo Dick" Marcinko, first commanding officer of SEAL Team Six, dies aged 81.
682) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106537)
Posted 26 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Janice Long: BBC DJ and broadcaster dies at 66
683) Message boards : BOINC Manager : add Boinc to Microsoft store (Message 106536)
Posted 26 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You should really request this via BOINC on Github as that's where the developers and store maintainers reside.
684) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106519)
Posted 25 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting Veritasium video about Analog computers you never heard of.
685) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106515)
Posted 24 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I feel sorry for you guys in Britain that you have to sustain this on the radio. Where's the time of good music around Christmas?
686) Message boards : The Lounge : Merry Christmas Everyone! (Message 106514)
Posted 24 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Steam Store is giving out great Christmas discounts again. Ubisoft as well, but not as great discounts.
687) Message boards : The Lounge : Merry Christmas Everyone! (Message 106505)
Posted 24 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Merry Christmas Everyone!
688) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106470)
Posted 19 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Richard Rogers, 88, British architect. Rogers was perhaps best known for his work on the Pompidou Centre in Paris, the Lloyd's building and Millennium Dome both in London, the Senedd building in Cardiff, and the European Court of Human Rights building in Strasbourg.
689) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106461)
Posted 18 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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Yup, everything to close down, from schools to opera, from non-essential stores to cinema's. Only public transport, the airports, the internet, the borders and the supermarkets stay open. The rest can go bankrupt. Till the 14th of January after which they'll probably turn on 2G, which the stores will grasp with baited breath if it means they can open their doors. Meanwhile "o mikron" (literally meaning little o) isn't killing extra. Or is it?
690) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inconsistency in "Project List" (Message 106459)
Posted 18 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Asteroids@Home has had problems with its servers for over a year and was a handful of days ago running its webpages server from a Raspberry Pi. That's when David decided to temporarily remove it from the projects list. That hasn't propagated to the projects list in BOINC manager yet.

Edit: I will keep an eye on https://asteroidsathome.net/project.html and when it says there that the project is back, I'll notify David who will put it back on the projects lists.
691) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106448)
Posted 17 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're going into a full lockdown again. To halt the omicron variant - which is impossible. Anyhoo... it'll be lonely this Christmas. Again.
692) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 106427)
Posted 15 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
<sarcastic mode on>

Yeah baby! Exactly the same people that stepped down a year ago over their choices made in the allowance affair that caused several tens of thousands of people to lose their money, houses, children and in some cases even their lives, exactly those same people now presented themselves as the next new saviours of our country. We're getting the same cabinet that stepped down a year ago. Democracy in the Netherlands is dead.

<sarcastic mode off>
693) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106417)
Posted 14 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hazel Chapman, co-founder of Lotus with husband Colin Chapman, has died aged 94
694) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106410)
Posted 13 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL and here I thought you guys got out of the EU, but that's exactly a plan the EU is putting forward to its member states: the COVID pass will only be valid for up to N months after your last shot, else you may not travel, go into cinema's, museums, restaurants, pubs, anything with fun in the description. N is some arbitrary number they will come up with.
695) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106404)
Posted 13 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You need to be able to identify yourself, which you cannot do with expired IDs.
696) Message boards : Projects : Asteroids@home: My username unknown, couldn't upload results (Message 106398)
Posted 13 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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That's because it's been temporarily removed. When the project is back I will inform David Anderson of this and he'll put the project link back.
697) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106394)
Posted 12 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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YES, YES, YES, MAX VERSTAPPEN IS WORLD CHAMPION FORMULA 1!!!!

/calms down again.
698) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106359)
Posted 9 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robbie Shakespeare, 68, Jamaican bass guitarist and record producer, best known as one half of the reggae rhythm section and production duo Sly and Robbie, with drummer Sly Dunbar.
699) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG: new systems download 100s of CPU work units, not possible to work all (Message 106347)
Posted 7 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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You'll need both a .ZIP handler and a 7-zip handler to unpack boinc.exe - so good they compressed it twice.
Or just 7-zip as it can unzip ZIPs (and RARs, and TARs, and TAR.GZs) as well.
700) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106329)
Posted 6 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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John Miles, 72, British rock music vocalist, guitarist and keyboard player best known for his 1976 Top 3 UK hit single "Music".
701) Message boards : Projects : Asteroids@home: My username unknown, couldn't upload results (Message 106327)
Posted 6 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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Forwarded that info to David.
702) Message boards : Projects : Asteroids@home: My username unknown, couldn't upload results (Message 106323)
Posted 6 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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And it's unlisted.
At least at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php, the projects list in BOINC can take a little longer to adjust.
703) Message boards : The Lounge : delete . . . and create 3 Universes (Message 106322)
Posted 6 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Usernames are not unique in the BOINC universe, we can all be called Jan Henrik. The unique identifier used is the email address.

Since Einstein went the Drupal way for their content management systems, and then their main developer left, a lot of their content cannot be found (try doing a search on their pages for anything recent). As far as I know last time I was there it showed me as being a member since 1-1-1970, so the export is probably an artefact of that. Tell them.
704) Message boards : Projects : Asteroids@home: My username unknown, couldn't upload results (Message 106321)
Posted 6 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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I will ask David to remove it from the projects lists.
705) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106306)
Posted 4 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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Sadly, it' appears not to prevent forum spam
No, but be glad, else we have no work for our moderators.
706) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106295)
Posted 4 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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So far the only time.
707) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106294)
Posted 4 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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lol, funny, I didn't think existing accounts needed to do this as well. But it doesn't matter. What does is, is it the only time or do we need to do this every time we post?
708) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106290)
Posted 4 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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Spammers... Sigh.
709) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 106260)
Posted 2 Dec 2021 by Profile Jord
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https://www.space.com/arecibo-radio-telescope-collapse-anniversary is more in place here than in the Science and Technology thread. Not so happy anniversary!
710) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 106250)
Posted 30 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Hi there,

I hope you're doing well! I'm just writing this week to let you know that we have launched a brand new project, and also that one of the Zooniverse's longest-running projects is in need of boost, and could really use your help:

Planet Four

This classic space project aims to explore the Martian climate by mapping dark seasonal fans and blotches in images taken from orbit around Mars. The fans and blotches are formed by carbon dioxide jets breaking through a thawing ice sheet. The fans are tiny weather stations measuring the wind direction and speed on Mars at the time that the fans were created. If you can spare a minute, help explore the weather on Mars by mapping seasonal fans and blotches today at https://www.planetfour.org


Prickly Pear Project Kenya

Prickly pear cacti (Opuntia sp.) are one of the worst invasive plants in East Africa. This project is run by a team of researchers from Durham University (UK) and Mpala Research Centre (Kenya) using camera traps to understand how Opuntia affects the habitat use of medium to large mammal species. This research has important implications for human-wildlife conflict and the future spread of the cactus.

By classifying the animals in our camera trap photos, you are helping these researchers to understand the impacts of Opuntia so that they can predict and manage them more effectively. You'll also see some up-close and candid images of amazing animals along the way!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/peter-dot-stewart/prickly-pear-project-kenya

Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
711) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106209)
Posted 28 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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From https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/11/the-netherlands-will-shut-down-from-5pm-to-5am-apart-from-essential-services/

The Netherlands will virtually shut down from 5pm to 5am for at least three weeks from Sunday, as the cabinet struggles to reduce the spread of coronavirus, now at some 22,000 new cases a day. Prime minister Mark Rutte told reporters at Friday evening’s press conference that a year ago, he and government health advisors thought the pandemic would be under control by the summer. ‘The reality is different,’ Rutte said. ‘And I am sure later evaluations will show that there were mistakes.’ In particular, Rutte said he blamed himself for failing to convince people to follow the basic rules. ‘Fewer than 50% of people are now having a test if they have symptoms,’ he said. ‘I take responsibility for that. We should do it better.’ With hospital admissions continuing to rise – there are now 528 coronavirus patients on an intensive care ward – action needs to be taken to reduce contacts between people by at least 20%, Rutte said. ‘All the current rules remain in place and from Sunday, between 5pm and 5am, in principle the Netherlands is closed,’ Rutte said. ‘This means events, concerts, theatres, cafes, bars, museums, gyms and sports clubs, with a couple of exceptions.’ Essential shops and services, such as pharmacies can open until 8pm and restaurants and snack bars can offer a takeaway service.

Social distancing
In addition, social distancing and face masks are being brought back in all places where coronavirus passes are currently required. In effect this means capacity will be reduced to one third. Shops too are to be limited to one customer per five square metres. Talks will also take place with church leaders with the ‘urgent request’ to stick to the rules followed by the rest of society, Rutte said. Furthermore, it is even more important that people restrict their travel around the country and work at home as much as possible, Rutte said. Visits should also be restricted to no more than four people over the age of 13 and one household at a time. He also urged people to take a self test before going out. Schools will remain open because of the importance to children, but children from group 6 in primary schools and upwards should wear a mask when moving between locations. In addition, ‘I am asking everyone to limit the contacts between children and the over-70s,’ the prime minister said. ‘Grab the ipad and make a video call or use the old-fashioned telephone. And with Sinterklaas, keep groups small.’ Rutte also appealed for people to watch out for potential victims of domestic violence and children who are not safe at home, as well as making time to check up on lonely people to make sure they are okay. ‘We must watch out for each other,’ Rutte said.

Boosters
Health minister Hugo de Jonge said that he hoped former healthcare staff, trainee nurses and doctors and others would come forward to help make sure that the booster campaign gets up to speed quickly. Some 750 soldiers have already been assigned to the project. Next week, he said, he hoped to be able to give a revised timeline for the booster programme. The over-80s are only now being signed up for an extra shot and the government has been criticized for failing to act quickly enough. The new measures will be in place for three weeks initially and the next press conference will take place on December 14.
By which time they've found the Omicron variant to be very aggressive and overtaking and that those 3 weeks ain't gonna be enough, so make it 3 months. And follow Israel in locking down the borders - bar for asylum seekers for whom closed borders apparently do not exist.
712) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106204)
Posted 27 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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And now there's Omicron, and it's reached Belgium.
Covid: New variant classed 'of concern' and named Omicron
:(
And Italy, and Germany, and the UK and most probably The Netherlands. It's here to wreck Christmas.
713) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106192)
Posted 26 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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LOL, you'd think that.
No, these times are "to spread the movements of people".... because if you have less time to go to the store, there won't be more people in there? 🤔
714) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106187)
Posted 26 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Our newest covid-19 semi-lockdown measures:
- Non-essential stores, restaurants, bars, theatres, museums, zoos, events, and theme parks closed between 17:00 and 05:00h
- Supermarkets close at 20:00
- All sports accommodations closed between 17:00 and 05:00h; when games are held during the day, no public allowed.
- All schools stay open.
- Want to visit someone? Use a self test and stay 5 feet apart.

It's hilarious.
715) Message boards : Projects : Why No Tasks? (Message 106182)
Posted 25 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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ClimatePrediction.net and GPUGRID have sent no work units for months, will delete BOINC soon.
a) You don't say which BOINC version, if an older one than the present 7.16.20 you have trouble with an expired certificate and that won't fix itself unless you update.

b) If updated, you don't say what kind of message you get and then it's quite difficult to guess what can be happening.

c) Yes, utter threats of deletion! Cause that helps immediately on a volunteer forum. We don't care. Well, I certainly don't. Go ahead and delete BOINC for all I care. Especially if you can't be bothered to give a little information about what you see on your end.
716) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible to Set BOINC Such that It Will Not Use Page File? (Message 106162)
Posted 20 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Added to what Richard said, when you use one of the Suspend options in BOINC, be it completely (Suspend CPU), on tasks (Suspend individual tasks) or use the Snooze option. All these will suspend tasks to virtual memory when you have "Leave Tasks in Memory when Suspend" set. Again, if you haven't got this set, BOINC isn't using virtual memory but will instead exit tasks and science applications and save their state to disk.

Windows' Sleep option saves the state of the complete operating system into RAM and then goes into a low power mode. On power loss, you'll lose this state and everything in it.
Windows' Hibernate option saves the state of the operating system to disk and then powers the computer down.
Neither of these uses virtual memory.
If BOINC is running when either of these states is invoked, it'll be paused in place and continue where it left off when the computer comes out of Sleep or Hibernate mode.

Virtual memory is a page or swap file on the hard drive or SSD. It's about the size of the amount of RAM one has in their system and is used by the operating system to swap into when main memory is full and more memory is needed.
717) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106158)
Posted 20 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Well, if you're being bombarded with stones, street furniture, bikes and heavy fireworks with the power of hand grenades, and warning shots do nothing, then you're allowed to empty your whole gun on the approaching mob as far as I am concerned.
718) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible to Set BOINC Such that It Will Not Use Page File? (Message 106157)
Posted 20 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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As long as you do not use "leave the suspended applications in memory" (or whatever the present wording), the page file isn't used. Well, maybe by science applications themselves, but that's something you have to take up with the projects.

Only leaving applications in memory when suspended uses the page file to store the full status of the running tasks. That's CPU tasks, as GPU tasks will always leave memory no matter what state when suspended.
719) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106135)
Posted 18 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Panic set in. She drove (or was driven) to my house, knocked on the front door, and didn't get an answer - probably because I was down in the workroom wrestling with the wires.
So, since all your lines are digital now, you can add a camera upstairs, maybe even a Ring or Ting setup with camera, that beams a video output onto any device you want. And that way you can hear the bell being rung wherever you are, even if you're not home when it's output to your mobile, and talk to the person outside from wherever you are.

Then that distance between the front door and back door - and which one is your front door? The done downstairs? - with all the head bumps and differences in ceiling height are no longer a problem. :-)
720) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 106132)
Posted 18 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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What I find funny in all this is that it doesn't even begin to breathe an option on what you have to do if step 3 doesn't work as it should do, "If you hear..."
Especially if this is the only telephone you use.
721) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106124)
Posted 18 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Philip Margo, 79, American singer of The Tokens, known for "The lion sleeps tonight".
722) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 106116)
Posted 16 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I hope November is treating you well so far. I just wanted to let you know that here at Zooniverse we have recently added two new projects to our official list. They couldn't be more different in terms of research goals, but they both share one big thing in common - they need your help!

GWitchHunters

This new project aims at improving the performance of current Gravitational Wave detectors in the experimental study of the Universe. Such instruments have reached extraordinary sensitivities to accomplish this task, but they are also very delicate and prone to spurious disturbances of non-astrophysical origin. The goal here is to better understand these disturbances and find new solutions to them.

The project is led by a team of researchers devoted to this very challenging task, involving state of the art technologies and analysis methods. It is not a simple one though, because of the extreme complexity of the apparatuses and their interconnections. For this reason, they need your help!

Join them in the exciting endeavour of Gravitational Wave research at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/reinforce/gwitchhunters.


Scarlets and Blues

Come and take a behind-the-scenes look at the lives of people at the Royal Hospital Chelsea in London around the time of the First World War. Scarlets and Blues provides a fascinating glimpse into the lives of women workers and hospital staff, and the care given to injured veterans. We’re asking participants to transcribe a set of meeting minutes from the Board of the Royal Hospital Chelsea, drawn from The National Archives’ WO 250 series. Scarlets and Blues also features a brand new Zooniverse indexing tool, allowing you to choose your own path through the records available to transcribe.

These transcriptions will provide new information for The National Archives’ catalogue of historical records, while also permitting investigation of research questions around how the hospital was organised, plus medical, women's, and social history in wartime. Your contributions will feed into the project Engaging Crowds: citizen research and heritage data at scale, which aims to enrich understanding of online citizen research in the cultural heritage space.

Engaging Crowds is part of Towards a National Collection, an Arts and Humanities Research Council-funded research programme which is focused on opening up and making connections between the UK’s cultural heritage. The project is led by The National Archives and delivered in partnership with Zooniverse, the National Maritime Museum and Royal Botanic Garden Edinburgh.

If you’d like to explore the records of the Royal Hospital Chelsea, contribute to historical research and be one of the first to try out the new Zooniverse indexing tool, please join us.

Start transcribing today at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/bogden/scarlets-and-blues.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
723) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not get Rosetta Python (Vbox) tasks (Message 106111)
Posted 15 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:

There is a big difference between a project disabling a feature and a project not enabling a feature


Just like the difference between a glass half empty and same one half full. You don't have all the resources you could have.
It's not even a feature but a project specific hack that some projects added themselves. The original code at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/html/inc/prefs_project.inc doesn't have it. So a project cannot enable or disable something that isn't there to begin with.
724) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not get Rosetta Python (Vbox) tasks (Message 106108)
Posted 15 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does this process place much load on the server?
Keeping the database up to date is what takes the most load. Have many tasks out there and the database can be huge, with a very heavy sustained load. Something the project may not want, thus they keep the tasks out there manageable, and thus the database size down.

It might be worth R@H increasing the frequency of that if it's not heavy.
It's up to their scientists to decide what the frequency is of releasing work and getting it back.
725) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not get Rosetta Python (Vbox) tasks (Message 106098)
Posted 15 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's a section at the bottom of the "Server Status" aka "Project Status" page where it says:

"Tasks by application"

"Rosetta" refers to 4.20 non-VB tasks, of which we're expecting lots in the near future.
"rosetta python projects" are the VirtualBox tasks.
And it only says there were 5,001 Python tasks Unsent at 14 Nov 2021, 23:36:25 UTC and 23,002 in progress. Rosetta tasks at that time were 0 Unsent and 28,538 in progress. This means that if your computer had asked for work at 23:36:25 or a little thereafter, that it would have had a good chance of getting Python work. But that heavily depends on how many computers ask for work at that time and what they all get out of the buffer. And when the buffer is empty, there's no work to be had until the buffer is filled again.

I now see that the server status page is refreshed about every hour and 3 minutes, as it now says Unsent 4,999 for Python and the page time is 15 Nov 2021, 0:39:09 UTC.

So, any time hereafter the buffer can be empty. And you'll have to wait for it to be filled again. Which probably takes an hour.
726) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not get Rosetta Python (Vbox) tasks (Message 106095)
Posted 14 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Today, Rosetta ran out of 4.20 tasks, but still had 2 million+ VB tasks.
There's nowwhere that I can see what kind of tasks they talk about, can you?

The Rosetta front page speaks of Total queued jobs being 2,287,182, without specifying what they are, plus this number was there at 14 Nov 2021, 20:00:49 UTC.
The Rosetta Server Status Page only says there are 5000 Tasks ready to send, but also doesn't specify which they are. This number was set 14 Nov 2021, 22:34:23 UTC.

And here's the crux: The BOINC server has a ready to send buffer which gets filled every N minutes, I think by default it's 10 minutes, but it's possible projects set this to another number. The value of 5000 tasks RTS is based on the time it says at the bottom of the Server Status page. Any minute after that, the buffer can be empty and the moment your computer asks for work it'll get as answer that there is no work to be sent. Because the buffer is empty and you have to wait for it to be filled again.

The other problem is that we on the outside have no idea what the buffer is being filled with. Could be standard work, could be Python, could be a mix. But as soon as your BOINC asks for work and there's none to be had, it won't get work from the project. If there's only standard work in the buffer, you get only that. If there's only Python, you could get that. But only if your BOINC asks while the buffer is still full (enough).

This is why we advise to run multiple projects, because if you only run one project you just have to run whatever is in the buffer, or even have the risk of running dry and not filling up because your BOINC asked work at the wrong moment.
727) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 106087)
Posted 14 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wilbur Smith, 88, South-African author of thrillers and bestsellers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Smith
728) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106077)
Posted 12 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's worse.

Nonessential stores need to close at 18:00h
Essential stores and bars/restaurants need to close at 20:00h
729) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106075)
Posted 12 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Glory: It's dark enough at 16:00 hours, for me to light up some tealights on my window sill.
Best not do that!
730) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106073)
Posted 12 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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Bars, restaurants and non-essential stores will be ordered to close at 7pm for at least three weeks starting Saturday
And after that the 2G society, where only vaccinated (Gevaccineerd) and cured (Genezen) people can take part in social things in those bars, restaurants, theaters, movies and non-essential stores, and those not vaccinated can only go to the supermarket and nothing more. Until they learn. {turns sarcasm off}

Yup, I know.
Will I be irritated? Meh, nah. Not more than I already am.
731) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106072)
Posted 12 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
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And you can only turn them off for 5 seconds!
What can you only turn off for 5 seconds?

I did a CTRL+SHIFT+I on the page and looked at the source code. Damn, never seen this many DIV Classes before.
732) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 106068)
Posted 11 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you think these forums are irritating, I urge you to go look at the new ones of Ubisoft. About the only good thing I found so far is the dark theme. The rest?
Well, if you like huge colourful banners that come down and take half or the whole of your screen away for absolutely no reason, with no clickable options on them, and save boxes that show you you're are saving preferences for 5 seconds (!!), then be my guest and go check them out: https://discussions.ubisoft.com/

I've had enough of them for one night.
Do know, when you go there and log in... everything data minable is on by default. Just a warning up front.
733) Message boards : Questions and problems : Invalid client RPC password Try reinstalling Boinc. (Message 106062)
Posted 10 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go to your BOINC Data directory and remove gui_rpc_auth.cfg, then exit & restart BOINC.
734) Message boards : Projects : Inactive projects? (Message 106053)
Posted 9 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because if no one (admins, users) reports them stopped/ended/otherwise AWOL, there's no way for the developers to adjust the website or projects list in BOINC Manager. Mindmodelling was removed a while ago.
735) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 11 ssh and remote desktop still not work with GPU? (Message 106021)
Posted 8 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wouldn't expect them to work as long as Microsoft uses its own - non-updatable - driver for remote desktop. That's what is causing this. A universal driver that only does 2D desktop rendering on all videocards, doing away with things as DirectX3D, OpenGL, OpenCL, and CUDA.
736) Message boards : News : Windows client 7.16.20 released (Message 106010)
Posted 7 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spammers.
737) Message boards : Android : 7.18.1 Client (Message 105986)
Posted 5 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The phone is getting really hot and whilst charging the battery is running down not charging up.
Get active cooling on the phone. Just a (small) fan next to it is sufficient.

My 4 device farm has a 140mm fan blowing air over them at 5V (half speed). which is sufficient to cool the batteries down. All 8-core CPUs run at only 4 cores, because when using the present big.LITTLE architecture, data is only done on the smaller more energy efficient cores, not on the larger, faster, more power hungry ones. Those are reserved by Android for the operating system only. Running 8 tasks anyway will just double down on the 4 smaller cores.
738) Message boards : Android : 7.18.1 Client (Message 105985)
Posted 5 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know why but BOINC (the lastest one - 7.18.1) for Android is so buggy: it crashes everytime I change the settings
I had that with the 7.16 and 7.18.0 clients, but no longer with the 7.18.1 client, so this seems to be a case of YMMV.

can't receive any tasks from Einstein@Home but 7.16 can
What's the error you get?

always error while computing on yoyo@home or moo! wrapper
This is because of their app that isn't optimized to run on 64bit Android AND 64bit CPU.
(but Android < 6 can compute)
Yep, that's because this is either a 32bit Android running on a 64bit CPU, or a 32bit Android running on a 32bit CPU. As soon as both cases are 64bit, the 32bit science application can no longer run correctly. This is something you have to report at the project and ask them to make a 64bit compliant science application and have a plan class detect the right CPU/OS to send the right application.

Also I remember the golden day when many many scientific projects are support Android, it gave people the chance to contribute to science with just their Android phone even the cheap one.
AFAIK the current projects in the list have always had the ARM/Android support, and those projects missing have just stopped being a project (like Seti@Home).
739) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please Help Me if You Can (Message 105964)
Posted 3 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's reasonably small, I downloaded and unpacked it: 412,003KB.
740) Message boards : Questions and problems : Low CPU usage (Message 105961)
Posted 3 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which operating system are you running?
Did you install (newer) chipset drivers for that OS?
741) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please Help Me if You Can (Message 105960)
Posted 3 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
So how cant I get the data by those rosetta/stats/? Would I need to create a script to download the user.gz list daily and pick up the info one by one? Would you be able to help me?
I'm not in the script writing business, so cannot help you there. Perhaps someone else here can. Or you can find something on the interwebs.
742) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please Help Me if You Can (Message 105957)
Posted 3 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
a webscraper for the rosetta@home website
If everyone goes scraping the webpages of the projects, the webpages of the projects go down. Most projects will banish you if they find you scraping their pages without asking permission.

All BOINC projects export the statistics. Rosetta does that via https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/stats/ (notice, there's no .html or .php extension to this link!), where you can download their data daily and search through that, locally.
743) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105948)
Posted 2 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pat Martino, 77, American jazz guitarist and composer.
744) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105946)
Posted 2 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Get ready to travel in time and space, by land and sea, to the End of the World.

Through Meteororum ad Extremum Terrae (MET – "Meteorology of the End of the World") you will participate in the digitization of 19th and 20th Century weather observations for stations in Argentina, from the edge of the Tropic of Capricorn, stopping by at the End of the World lighthouse, and across Drake Strait into Antarctica. You will participate in digitizing records from ship logbooks navigating around Southern South America, the South Atlantic, Antarctica, occasionally even around the Globe.

The images in MET come from printed and hand-written documents, which we are continuously imaging. MET introduces them in a simplified format for greater ease in your volunteer work. As the imaging work advances work we will add new workflows to MET. There is a huge, ever increasing treasure trove of weather records for this part of the world, which can only be made available for climate research with your help. As we share with you the images we will carry out research with the your digitizations and present it with you in MET. Recovering historic weather data for the Southern Hemisphere is essential for understanding the climate system.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/acre-ar/meteororum-ad-extremum-terrae.

NOTE: MET is available both in English and Spanish versions.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
745) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105945)
Posted 2 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great, we're going back to being a recluse society.
Not only do we require the mouth/nose mask again in most everything outside the door (just waiting until it's required in my living room as well...), the QR code that's now only required for a handful of things will be needed for just about anything to get into, bar super markets. Even work will eventually be able to ask you for your code and if you don't have one or refuse to show it, no entry and eventually no work. That scary reality? It's here.
746) Message boards : Questions and problems : "No new tasks" keeps resetting with Rosetta@home (Message 105938)
Posted 2 Nov 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you've been running Science United, then first you have to Uninstall it.
Then get BOINC from the BOINC web site, and install that.
You don't "install" Science United. Its installer installs BOINC and adds Science United as the account manager. So there's no uninstall anything and reinstall BOINC, but instead, as said earlier, detach from Science United and add projects manually.
747) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105851)
Posted 25 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
James Michael Tyler (59), American actor (Friends: Gunther)
748) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105811)
Posted 19 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I hope you're doing well. I just wanted to let you know about a brand new planet hunting project that has been launched on the Zooniverse today:


Planet Hunters NGTS

Planet Hunters NGTS is latest member of the Planet Hunters family. Unlike Planet hunters TESS, which is based on data from the TESS space telescope, this new project gets its data from the ground-based Next-Generation Transit Survey (NGTS).

NGTS has been searching for transiting exoplanets around the brightest stars in the sky, and now the researchers leading this project need your help sifting through the observations flagged by their computers to search for hidden worlds that might have been missed by the research team's review. Most of the planets in the dataset have likely been found already, but you just might be the first to find a new exoplanet not known to us before!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/mschwamb/planet-hunters-ngts.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
749) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC 7.16.20 does not perform on multiple CPU (Message 105810)
Posted 19 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
the former BOINC version
Which was which version? I ask because the only difference I know of between 7.16.16 and 7.16.20 is the new ca-bundle.crt file, nothing else client- or manager wise has changed.

Btw, images require a .jpg, .png or .bmp extension.
You can use your URL as just a linked image.
750) Message boards : News : Windows client 7.16.20 released (Message 105806)
Posted 19 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I try to boot BOINC I get a message with an error but I cannot recreate that message now.
Without the error message it's only guesswork. So please try to get the error message. Else check in Windows Event Viewer, I'm sure that's still in Windows 11.
751) Message boards : Questions and problems : New boinc manager and AVG (Message 105797)
Posted 18 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's exactly nothing we can do about it, as it's AVG that throws the warning. So if you have to ask someone to fix it, it's them.
752) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105793)
Posted 18 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Colin Powell, 84, American, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, secretary of state and national security adviser.
753) Message boards : News : Windows communication failure: temporary workaround (Message 105788)
Posted 17 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC are you running? I run only Universe@Home on my 4 Android devices and they're still getting normal contact with the project. Using BOINC https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.18.1.apk (and yes, this new version is only available from the BOINC website)
754) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 105785)
Posted 17 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/big-bang-beginning-universe/
We used to think the Big Bang meant the universe began from a singularity. Nearly 100 years later, we're not so sure.

https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/earth-receives-first-radio-signals-from-planet-outside-of-solar-system-1863850-2021-10-12

In a major discovery, astronomers have for the first time detected stars that are blasting radio signals hinting at the presence of hidden planets around them. The signals were picked up using the world’s most powerful radio antenna, the Low-Frequency Array (LOFAR) situated in the Netherlands.
755) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 105778)
Posted 16 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Scientists Detect 1,652 Radio Signals From Mysterious Source in Space

Fast radio bursts are a huge cosmic mystery, and now scientists have detected an unprecedented number of signals from one source in just 47 days.
756) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105773)
Posted 16 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://nypost.com/2021/10/15/michigan-schools-cancel-halloween-and-valentines-day-to-be-inclusive/
Halloween and Valentine’s Day have been canceled for elementary-school students in a Michigan district over concerns about being “inclusive” and “equitable.”

The friend who posted this to me was wondering why children would be celebrating Valentine's Day, but then you have to wonder why children need to learn about diversity, inclusiveness and LHBTI+ feelings these days. Not sure if it gets taught in the US or the UK, but here in The Netherlands children are indeed taught at elementary school about all those wonderful new woke things, and what woke means.

Sometimes I wish I could go back to elementary school and learn these things as well.
And then still my old cultural identity gets broken down because there are others (usually in the minority) who feel upset and offended about it and then the only thing we apparently can do is retract it for everyone. Because Inclusive. Ugh.
757) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 105770)
Posted 16 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now my main PC tells me on the Update page that "This PC doesn't currently meet all the system requirements for Windows 11" and to run the PC Health app, which then proceeds to tell me there are no problems. Bugs like that don't get my hopes up. Even if it's probably because I have restrictions to Windows Update in place, as the other PC where these restrictions are not in place already has the chance to update. Not going to. It took me well over 3 years to get to Windows 10, I am not in a hurry to beta test the next Windows version.
758) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 105762)
Posted 15 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just spent the better part of an hour and a half to get my system to boot in secure mode.
In BIOS, disable CSM in Boot option -> Save and exit -> Reboot.
In BIOS, enable Secure Boot in Security, set Secure Boot Mode to Custom -> Save and exit -> Reboot.

But doing so on my Asrock B550 Steel Legend would constantly put me back in the BIOS. Enabling Secure Boot would also make my drives disappear.
So I could only boot with CSM enabled and secure boot disabled.

Found that my boot drive's partition table was MBR, not GPT. Now, normally this meant you'd have to use a convertor that deleted everything on your drive as it rewrote the partition table from MBR to GPT, but no longer. I used the Windows built-in mbr2gpt.exe (in system32) to convert my drive:

In Windows, start command prompt as administrator.
Run mbr2gpt /allowFullOS /disk:# /validate
Wait for it to end.
Run mbr2gpt /allowFullOS /disk:# /convert (with sweaty palms)
Wait for it to end. It may end with two errors about certificates not being loaded, don't worry, that's fine.

Then reboot the system.
Go into BIOS.
Disable CSM as above.
Enable Secure Boot as above.
Check that the boot drive is "Windows Management System"
Save & Exit
Reboot.

And from here on in you'll boot into Windows 10. Without having lost any data.
You use the /allowFullOS switch on mbr2gpt to tell it to run from within Windows, else you'll have to reboot into the Advanced Options->Command Line Windows Preinstallation Environment and run the commands from there. The disk:# is the disk number as it shows in Windows Disk Management.
759) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105755)
Posted 14 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, like I said, we have the QR code registration that's required if you want to go to a pub, a restaurant (only inside the town's borders), a (movie) theater, a museum and a handful of other places. The people working there are not required to be vaccinated. The person checking to see if I am vaccinated to be able to get into their premises is not required to be vaccinated. I cannot check this person back to see if they're vaccinated.

Meanwhile our infections are on the rise. The politicians are throwing the rise on the unvaccinated, but these people cannot easily go to all the places the infections are rising, they're mostly staying home. So it's the vaccinated who are infecting others. But our Minister of Health is still blaming the people who are staying home because their QR code says they cannot go to all the previous places. (And yes, they can, but then they have to have themselves tested with the cotton swab stuck deep in their nose and throat every time they want to go somewhere and hurry about it as the thing is only legal for 24 hours. Would you do that if you wanted to go to the pub, a restaurant, a museum and a movie on 4 consecutive days?)

As for the odds of dying following vaccination, or during or just thereafter, how can we trust the numbers? Do you trust China to say they had 100K cases total with just 4K deaths, just because they say that that's their numbers? Do you believe that there hasn't been a single case of corona in North Korea? Just because they say so?
Or are numbers like The Economist gives more in the direction of the truth? See also their excess deaths estimate on deaths worldwide during the corona years. Because yes, there is a difference between 4.9 million official deaths and the estimated 10.1 to 19 million deaths.
760) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105752)
Posted 14 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that even with the vaccination, you're still eligible to get covid-19 and be able to pass it on? You can even have it with no symptoms at all and be able to pass it on.
I'm finding the mandatory thing going against your personal free will. Just as the use of the QR code here in The Netherlands is going against that. The Government telling you it's mandatory or you get a fine is something you'd expect in China, North Korea. Not in a free country.

I'm thinking of not getting the 3rd jab.
761) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105749)
Posted 14 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
For others wondering, it's a Twitter hashtag: #AustraliaHasFallen and then mostly about the new rules per November 13 for the Northern Territory:

The Northern Territory government has issued a legal direction mandating workers in a broad range of settings receive their COVID-19 vaccine within a month.

In a press conference on Wednesday Chief Minister Michael Gunner said the mandate covered all public-facing roles, including those likely to come into contact with a vulnerable person. The mandate also includes workers involved in "essential infrastructure, food or essential goods security or supply, or logistics in the Northern Territory", the government said.

These workers will be required to have received at least one dose by November 12 and a second by December 24. Those who do not comply will not be permitted to attend their workplace and could face a $5,000 fine if they do, according to the government. Mr Gunner said the vaccine mandate included workers whose job included "interacting with members of the public".

He listed hospitality, retail and supermarket workers, as well as barbers, hairdressers and beauty therapists, as examples of workers who would require the COVID jab. "All these workers, and many, many more directly interact with members of the public," Mr Gunner said. "That means you are frontline workers in our economy. That means you must be vaccinated."

The legal direction allows employers to request proof of vaccination from workers, according to the government, and will be require employers to keep a vaccination status register of staff. The government also said the legal direction would be amended to mandate booster vaccinations for workers impacted. Mr Gunner said an "extremely narrow" portion of impacted workers would be eligible for exemptions from the mandate. "These ... must be backed up by medical evidence," he said. "Simply not wanting the vaccine is not a reason."
762) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105747)
Posted 14 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
#AustraliaHasFallen
763) Message boards : GPUs : Broadcom VideoCore IV (Message 105719)
Posted 10 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You misunderstood what I wrote. The actual GPU does not support OpenCL or any other form of computation language/hardware so it cannot be used for anything other than projecting images on the screen.
764) Message boards : GPUs : Broadcom VideoCore IV (Message 105717)
Posted 10 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's no option to use this GPU as General Purpose GPU for calculation, simple because it doesn't support this form of action.
765) Message boards : BOINC client : Constant spamming "No protocol specified" in journalctl logs (Message 105713)
Posted 8 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Github: #2256, started 4 years ago. Issue is still open, so you can tag onto it after reading first.
766) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 105704)
Posted 7 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
In case you don't want to buy the new Far Cry 6, but do want to know what it's all about, here's the 10.5 hour walkthrough on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBfn7DNUPLY

Warning: Not for kids. Violence, blood, gore, sex.
767) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105693)
Posted 7 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
use a dumb soundbite like "Build Back Better"
Build BOINC Better 😁
768) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105692)
Posted 7 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
My fixed-price contract ends this month, and the replacement fixes are eye-watering.
My old 3 year contract ends in December, just around the time the new prices for gas and electricity get re-indexed (we have them done every 1 July and 1 January). With the prices of gas sky rocketing all over Europe - it's not a UK only thing - and the prices of electricity following suit because a lot of electricity plants run on gas... it's best to renew any ending contracts early. Which I did. My new contract starts in December but against old prices. Okay, I go up a little (1 ct for electricity and 2 for gas), but that's better than the prices of the variable contract (3 ct up for electricity and 73 ct for gas!!!)

Edit: some people with a variable contract have gotten the new prices already and have to pay 80 to 155 euros extra per month on their instalment amount... brrr, no thanks.
769) Message boards : News : Windows communication failure: temporary workaround (Message 105675)
Posted 6 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
5) I'm too old
That goes without saying.
770) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105661)
Posted 5 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, look what the News thread brought in.
I've just written a how-to for actually saving the file into the directory, as just downloading it and immediately saving it to C:\Program Files\ will not work due to the protected nature of this directory.
771) Message boards : News : Windows communication failure: temporary workaround (Message 105659)
Posted 5 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Directly trying to download this file into C:\Program Files\BOINC\ will not work, because you need elevated administrator rights to write files to the protected C:\Program Files\ directory. It may seem that the file gets downloaded and saved there, but the download manager in the browser will probably have flagged the file as Failed to have downloaded.

To counter this, save the file elsewhere, for instance to C:\TMP\ (if it's not there, you can make it with File Explorer).
When the file has saved there, copy it, then paste it into C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and when you get the window saying "You'll need to provide administrator permission to copy to this folder", click Continue or provide the main administrator's password. Only then will this file save to the folder.
772) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105652)
Posted 4 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like the Medion TV webserver has a problem as well. It'll throw a certificate error on my TV (error %), after all day just saying there was a problem and not going any further.
773) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105647)
Posted 4 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently this morning the DNS addresses for Instagram and Facebook were removed from the global DNS tables. This is why their servers are no longer reachable. And then they found that the IP addresses FB uses are no longer directing to their servers, so there's no way to get onto the FB servers from the outside.

It gets a little dirtier as the people at FB headquarters trying to get into the building cannot as their badges no longer work as these use the same servers... Great idea, joining all these datasets!

Instagram still tells me: We can’t connect to the server at www.instagram.com.
774) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105639)
Posted 4 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
All over the world you mean. Instagram and WhatsApp as well.
775) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105632)
Posted 4 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, technically maybe. But not if you're using a very old version of BOINC because you can't let go of old stuff. Because then parts of that (curl, OpenSSL) are way too old and like a sieve when it comes to security to reliably use it.
776) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105629)
Posted 4 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Continuing the search (but keeping in mind I can only post 4 URLs).

DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA looks like its first expiration date is 2021-11-04 (Source)

DST Root CA X3 is our current culprit.

VeriSign Class 3 Public Primary Certification Authority - G5 has a first next expiration date of 2021-11-07 23:59­:59 UTC but many after that till 2035 and further, so it may not be a problem (Source)

Cybertrust Global Root looks like it has a first next expiration date of 2021-12-15 08:00­:00 UTC (Source)

One third of the certs checked. If anyone wants to dive in, next on the list is GlobalSign Root CA - R3 and I check them at https://ssl-tools.net/certificates
777) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105618)
Posted 3 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Checking the validity of other certs in ca-bundle.crt I see that GlobalSign Root CA - R2 is valid till December 15, 2021 (Source)

GeoTrust Global CA expires May 2022 (Source)

QuoVadis Root CA seems to have expired already (Source)

Security Communication Root CA I cannot find.

Sonera Class 2 Root CA seems to have expired (Source)

I don't have time now to check all, will continue later.
778) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issues with connecting to some projects (Message 105603)
Posted 2 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14413 which is most probably the issue here. Look for Richard Haselgrove's post about the workaround - a ca-bundle.crt file that he made. We're waiting for even an acknowledgment of the BOINC devs that they know about it, so far deafening silence. (Edit: Oh look, movement: #4540)
779) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105586)
Posted 1 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a strongly-worded email in draft, which I intend to post 24 hours after this thread was opened - i.e. in about five minutes from now - unless something else happens first.

Sent.
Too bad it didn't go to any list I seem to follow. Mind sending me a copy?
780) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105581)
Posted 1 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I posted to the ticket again, asking if they can give an ETA. See #4530 if people want to urge there.
781) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105566)
Posted 1 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't see any movement or sense of urgency at the development stage.
782) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105562)
Posted 1 Oct 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The gas price (and in some sense the electricity price) is liaised to the oil price, and with that being very high, you pay premium for new gas contracts. I just renewed my contract for 5 years with the gas price set at 91 cents per cubic meter. If the price goes up, I don't notice it. If it goes down, mine will follow. But I don't expect it to go down, with our country quitting pumping up natural gas and solely being depending on gas from Russia and Norway.
783) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 105554)
Posted 30 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The world has laptops, notebooks, Chromebooks, tablets and all kinds of smartphones with which you can be available at all times if wanted, sir. :)
784) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105535)
Posted 30 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's all right, I posted to them as well and will put it on Github.

Edit: and done that, let's wait what the devs say.
785) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround) (Message 105531)
Posted 30 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll ask. Just had a report, and confirmed, that GPUGrid is affected as well.
As is CPDN, so I'd expect an earlier update.

Checking https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/21/lets-encrypt-root-expiry/ it's the IdentTrust DST Root CA X3 that expired today.
786) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105518)
Posted 30 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
And so the outgoing cabinet - which fired itself over the child allowance scandal - has just decided after 6 months of talking who was going to be in the new cabinet, that they are the best choice for the new cabinet. Welcome to the banana republic Netherlands.
787) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105515)
Posted 29 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Windows 10 is now advertising Windows 11 on the login screen.
788) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105512)
Posted 29 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory:
Saturday tickets ordered for 007's No Time To Die at Imax Antwerp in Belgium, as I can take Isa there without the required corona sanitation passport that we need in all kinds of establishments here in the Netherlands. Not vaccinated? No entry. It's back to segregation days.
I want to celebrate my birthday with her, so we're doing a movie and afterwards a restaurant. And who knows what the rest of the night will bring. ;-)
789) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105507)
Posted 28 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Please help us test a potential new Zooniverse project - Meteororum ad Extremum Terrae

What the researchers say:
"Meteororum ad Extremum Terrae (Meteorology of the End of the World) aims to recover weather and oceanic data record in Argentina since at least the beginning of the XIXth Century. The first known records date back to 1801. Other than the Oficina Meteorológica Argentina, later Servicio Meteorológico Nacional, many public and private organizations have registered weather data. Argentine Navy ships, lighthouses, railway stations, "estancias" are among many data sources. It is necessary to recover and digitize them. Tackling Climate Change requires that the past be understood. We invite you to volunteer for this task to recover the past."

How to help out:
Try it out now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/acre-ar/meteororum-ad-extremum-terrae and give us your feedback via this form https://forms.gle/yqy6xUCxY8aSJEr1A (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).

Your feedback is extremely important to us when deciding whether to approve or reject a project. To date you, our beta testers, have helped launch over 350 Zooniverse projects!

Thanks for all your help,

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
CPDN best watch out ;-)
790) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105504)
Posted 28 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
And that was just one connector?
Try three of them, like this (top left). Those are the 3 connectors for my AMD CPU. All the sharp edges of the heatsinks are fuuuuuuun. ;-)

I did have to remove the fans at the top of the case just to have space to bend the connectors out of the grommet onto the motherboard.
791) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105501)
Posted 28 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
One shouldn't try to (un)plug those with the fan on the CPU cooler spinning, that defies the choice of replacing the PSU.
About the PSU, what brand and model was it? Not a Gigabyte GP-P750GM or GP-P850GM? Because in that case look at this video, and then know it was a problem waiting to happen.
792) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105495)
Posted 27 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now let's see how long it takes for a parcel delivery service to bring any needed replacements to your door and what it arrives in/with: electric van, drone, pigeon, human runner.
793) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105488)
Posted 26 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Alan Lancaster, 72, English, ex-bass player and co-founder of Status Quo
794) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105481)
Posted 25 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
What delivery? You want it - whatever it is? You come get it yourself.
795) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105479)
Posted 25 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do hope that drivers from the mainland have the sense to reject the King's Shilling, at least until we grovel for re-admission to the club. Make that 20 years or so.
By then there'll be no one driving petrol/diesel cars anymore, some electric, the rest back to horseback and -carts.
796) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105477)
Posted 25 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good thing I had my vacation in the UK when I did, two years ago. Can you still get around when tank stations are out of petrol?
797) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105460)
Posted 22 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Willie Garson, 57, American actor (Sex and the City, Hawaii Five-0, Supergirl, NYPD Blue)
798) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 105454)
Posted 20 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
...but won't actually download the task files, through hotspot/Bluetooth.
As far as I know, only WIFI is used for the connection.
799) Message boards : Questions and problems : AIMNet_vm_v2.vdi download/checksum error (Message 105443)
Posted 18 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You are downloading work from a project server, you are getting the error from their server. It's nothing that BOINC can do something about or has a workaround for, you'll have to check if it's something the project knows about. Looking at the Rosetta forums, I find someone else reporting the same error, so you'll have to wait until Rosetta fixes things.
800) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105437)
Posted 17 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, I have. Can't stay tall when you're overweight. :-(
801) Message boards : Questions and problems : Syncing or exporting preferences across multiple projects (Message 105432)
Posted 17 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set global limits to CPU usage, storage etc. in BOINC manager that will give a total limit.
Preferences set through BOINC manager are local and for that one computer only, although they are used by all projects one added.

The global computing preferences via the website are as the name implies global, set at one project, they will propagate to all others on the same venue/location by being contacted by BOINC. That has always worked this way, I wouldn't know why it still wouldn't.
802) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105429)
Posted 17 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the store about that and they said my present Corsair H100i (240mm AIO) should suffice, but if it doesnt, I will upgrade to the H115i (280mm AIO).

I also don't plan to run it in SMT from the beginning. Haven't done that with my 3900x either. Going from 4 cores to 12 was enough already. 😁

Btw, the TDP of both processors is the same 105W.
803) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 105424)
Posted 16 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our Ministers of the Exterior and Defense got a Motion of Censure today over how the Afghanistan evacuation was done (really really really really really badly, some Dutchmen are still in Afg with no place to go). The Minister of Defense decided to ignore the motion and stayed on. The Minister of the Exteriro took her leave. But only from the cabinet! She stays on as Member of Parliament and as the leader of the second largest political party, and so she can still continue trying to form a new government (we had elections back in March, our outgoing cabinet has no hurry to go away and/or form a new cabinet) and come back as a Minister or the Vice MP. Really. Yep. Our democracy is so broken.
804) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105423)
Posted 16 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I hope this newsletter finds you well! I just wanted to let you know that we have launched two brand new projects today, and the research teams running them would be really appreciative of any help you could give them. Find out more below:


Spyfish Aotearoa

Ready to dive into New Zealand waters?

Jump into Spyfish Aotearoa and help researchers count and identify fish in underwater videos. The New Zealand Department of Conservation and Wildlife.ai are using cameras to estimate fish abundance inside and outside marine reserves. The underwater cameras are baited to attract marine species like blue cod, snapper, sharks, and many more without disturbing them. There are thousands of videos so they need your help to classify what you see.

The underwater footage will transport you into the depths of unique marine reserves from Aotearoa/New Zealand. Be part of research showing the effectiveness of marine reserves, the impacts of climate change and plastic pollution in our oceans. Your participation will guide marine management efforts to protect the taonga (treasured) species of Aotearoa/New Zealand.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/victorav/spyfish-aotearoa.


Frog Find

Frogs need our help!

Following bushfires, floods and a host of other threats including water pollution and disease, our frogs really have their backs against the wall.

Frog Find uses frog sounds recorded from streams, ponds and wetlands to work out who is calling where. Researchers have put recorders in places where frogs were historically detected and new places where we might expect to find them. Now they need your ears to help them in this detective work!

In just 30 seconds you can identify whether there is a threatened frog calling at one of the sites. Thanks to the help of local community groups the research team has been able to increase our monitoring programs to include areas in and around national parks and even right in people’s backyards!

Frog Find has been developed by the Conservation Science Research Group at the University of Newcastle, working to preserve frog populations now and into the future. Information gathered from Frog Find will help researchers identify immediate threats to frog survival and how populations respond to these threats. This will help shape conservation efforts.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/ollibruuh/frog-find.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
805) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105422)
Posted 16 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
A couple:

Hi there,

Please help us test a potential new Zooniverse project - Planet Hunters NGTS

What the researchers say:
"The Next-Generation Transit Survey have been searching for transiting exoplanets around the brightest stars in the sky. We need your help sifting through the observations flagged by the computers to search for hidden worlds that might have been missed in the NGTS team's review. Most of the planets in the dataset have likely been found already, but you just might be the first to find a new exoplanet not known before!"

How to help out:
Try it out now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/mschwamb/planet-hunters-ngts and give us your feedback via this form https://forms.gle/rQMsgV42R6v3ZjXE7 (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).

Your feedback is extremely important to us when deciding whether to approve or reject a project. To date you have helped launch over 350 Zooniverse projects!

Thanks for all your help,

Grant & the Zooniverse Team


Hi there,

In the seven years since the last large-scale Zooniverse survey was conducted, the number of projects has substantially increased and millions of new participants have joined the Zooniverse community. Now, we are conducting a new “Survey of the Zooniverse” to learn more about our growing community and we need your input. Your participation in this survey will help us understand what makes projects successful, what factors encourage or discourage participation in Zooniverse, and more. We hope this new research will help guide the development of better people-powered research projects in the future.

Survey Link: 2021 Survey of the Zooniverse

If you would like to participate please complete the survey by October 5th 2021. The survey should take approximately 20 minutes to complete.

This survey is being conducted as part of a collaborative investigation by Zooniverse, researchers at the University of Wisconsin – Madison in the USA, and the University of Nottingham in the UK. Your results will be kept confidential. This study has been approved by the UW-Madison Institutional Review Board (IRB Approval No. 2021-0581).

As a token of our gratitude, after completing the survey, if you choose to, you will be entered in a raffle for a chance to win a $100 (or equivalent value) gift card.

Thank you very much for your time and kind participation. We really value your input.



Best regards,

Corey B. Jackson, Ph.D.
Anna Julia Cooper Postdoctoral Fellow
The Information School
University of Wisconsin, Madison


Liz Dowthwaite, Ph.D.
Research Fellow
Horizon Digital Economy Research Institute
University of Nottingham
806) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105421)
Posted 16 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Today, in anticipation of my upcoming birthday I splurged on myself. I either wanted a new videocard, or a new CPU. With just a normal RX 6800 already costing an eye watering €1,300.- I decided to splurge on a new CPU, upgrading from my AMD 3900X to an AMD 5950X. Then the 3900X can go into my Taichi motherboard (which was tested and found to be not defective) into the TV server. Lots of rebuilding in my near future. :)
807) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105409)
Posted 13 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
François Boulangé, 67, Dutch TV game-show host.
808) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPU (Message 105408)
Posted 13 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Several projects do already have iGPU applications
I think boboviz means the discrete Intel GPU, or the Intel XE architecture. Let's first wait and see if someone has a problem with getting it detected before we get the devs to look at it.
809) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 105387)
Posted 12 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like a DDoS attack.
810) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 105362)
Posted 9 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

The offending RAM has now been removed and the main project and dev projects have now been started again and are up and running.

Best regards,

Andy
811) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 7.16.19 Mac Invalid Package (Message 105359)
Posted 9 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you test if https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.18_macOSX_universal.zip works?
812) Message boards : News : Certificate of computation (Message 105353)
Posted 8 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I tried it with your CPID f547f4596cfe6b226b5fab86f191c56b and get this result:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/cert_dev.php?cpid=f547f4596cfe6b226b5fab86f191c56b&name=Grumpy+Swede
813) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 7.16.19 Mac Invalid Package (Message 105351)
Posted 8 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the developer.
814) Message boards : News : Certificate of computation (Message 105348)
Posted 8 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Works for me too. Though I wonder what to do with it as I cannot save it locally.
815) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105322)
Posted 6 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Michael K. Williams, 54, American actor (The Wire, Boardwalk Empire)
816) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105321)
Posted 6 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jean-Paul Belmondo, 88, French actor.
817) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU on Mac running 95C (Message 105316)
Posted 5 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
First of all, try cleaning its insides. Especially if you have pets, as the intakes will be flush with dust. Usually, even on a Macbook you can take the backside off, or at least some of the openings through which you can change the battery and RAM. Cleaning can be done with compressed 'air" (which isn't compressed air but a compressed inert gas of sorts), a toothbrush and (carefully) a vacuum cleaner.
818) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 7.16.19 Mac Invalid Package (Message 105304)
Posted 2 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
On which Mac OS?
819) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105301)
Posted 2 Sep 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robbie Dale, 81, British radio pirate, Radio Caroline.
https://t.co/IthgBpviLp?amp=1
820) Message boards : Questions and problems : Amount of CPU for AMD Radeon vs NVidia GTX on Einstein (Message 105288)
Posted 30 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 1 thread is only necessary on high powered GPUs, like an RTX 3080 or 3090.
The problem with your example is that previous to these being the high powered GPUs, the GTX 1080 and 1080 Ti, followed by the RTX 2070, 2080 and 2080 Ti were the high powered ones.

For gaming this may have changed. But not for BOINC and its projects, as the science applications used won't have changed (much) over the past GPU generations.
821) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105273)
Posted 27 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm off on vacation for a week. Going away with my best friend and her kids. That'll last two days. 😂

Behave all. See y'all in a week's time.
822) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105248)
Posted 25 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't buy Asus, as I don't like them. Neither for Gigabyte, I always have something broken on them. Although maybe my bad streak has moved to these Asrock motherboards. By the way, the reach was exactly the problem as the small connectors come from a cable that sticks about 2 centimeters out of the bottom of the case, so not much leeway to move them around. Normally I stick them in when I have the motherboard outside the case, but I couldn't this time.

Showing that the Taichi did have its problems: at least now I have a working HDD LED. I've done more than a year without one.

For the RAM problem, I'll try to update my BIOS first, it's only 1.2 and the latest is 2.1
823) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105245)
Posted 25 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble. Changed my motherboard. I wish someone would make a universal connector for the power LED, HDD LED and Reset button connectors as those things are way too small and the place they're in is almost impossible to reach in many cases. And when you finally got everything connected, three have sprung loose. That cost me most my time. For once connecting the cooler was easy, a 30 second job if you know how.

Now, only problem I have is that the system's Dr Debug shows C5 when I plug in a memory stick in the first slot. It doesn't say in the manual what that means.
Looking it up, on Reddit, there's a thread about it being a problem with the first RAM slot, as the person there did what I did, and that was change the RAM sticks around, which still yields C5.
So I have RAM in slots 2 and 4. Which also works.
824) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105223)
Posted 23 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Brian Travers , 62, English co-founder and saxophone player of UB-40.
825) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105216)
Posted 22 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don Everly, 84, American singer, The Everly Brothers (Bye Bye Love, Till I kissed you, Wake Up Little Susie and All I Have to Do Is Dream)
826) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 105211)
Posted 21 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The ones I had would look at them from on top of the couch, laugh at them, yawn and roll over to continue to sleep.
827) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 105203)
Posted 20 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me pokes the Slumber to *70.
828) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105202)
Posted 20 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hello Bursts from Space volunteers,

My name is Mike - I’m the scientist leading Bursts from Space. With your help, we’re trying to understand the origin of mysterious signals from outside our galaxy called Fast Radio Bursts.

Together, you’ve analysed over 35,000 faint signals to find more of these mystery bursts.

I’m excited to announce that, buried in that pile, you’ve successfully found hundreds of possible bursts. All of them would have been lost without your help. Thank you.

Now, the scientists at CHIME (the radio telescope recording these signals) can carefully investigate the possible bursts you found to confirm which are from space and then share them publicly with researchers around the world to help work out what’s causing them.

But you’ve done more than just find more bursts; you’ve found bursts that are unusual and exciting. One I particularly like is a possible double burst. This burst was one of many that were too faint for the CHIME team to review - but you searched and found it!

Thanks to the success of your hard work, the CHIME team has agreed to start sending Bursts from Space brighter signals. These bright* signals are extremely scientifically important because they can show fine details within the pulse that give clues about their origin. They are rare enough that CHIME experts look at all of them, and now you can as well. We expect a few bright signals per day; look out for them in each weekly batch.

Over the coming months, I hope to share more cool results and introduce you to the folks at CHIME. For now, join the conversation on our Bursts from Space Talk forum.

Thank you again,

Mike

*The strength of a signal is measured as “signal-to-noise”, defined as the brightness of the signal divided by the variation in the background noise (read more at https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-blogs/astrophotography-signals-noise/). A higher signal-to-noise means the signal stands out more against the background. CHIME experts review signals with a signal-to-noise of 8.5 or more, and Bursts from Space reviews the (many more) signals with a signal-to-noise between 7.8 and 8.5. Thanks to your success, CHIME will start sending Bursts from Space signals with a signal-to-noise of up to 10.
829) Message boards : Questions and problems : Failed To Change to Directory (Message 105197)
Posted 19 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
What were the error messages?
The OP said:
Failed to Change to directory var/lib/boinc-client (Permission denied)

It helps to read the whole post instead of just half.

@StarzDust, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=14023#101239 and further.
830) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105193)
Posted 19 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, you know where I.. oh no I moved since and didn't say where. But I am not sticking any USB connectors into this thing again, not until I switched out motherboards. Which may be next week.
831) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 105179)
Posted 18 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, we can stop doing everything, just sit, watch TV/computer, get fat and die. Atlas is here to take over: Boston Dynamics Atlas: Partners in Parkour.
832) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 105163)
Posted 17 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everything you ever wanted to know about gravitational waves and how to detect them (and why): Veritasium: The Absurdity of Detecting Gravitational Waves
833) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105161)
Posted 17 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Last week while plugging in a USB C cable at the back of my computer's Asrock X470 Taichi, it turned itself off immediately. Since that time I've had a slight electrical burn smell emanating when I use the PC intensely. So I asked the store I bought the motherboard from if I could still bring it in, as it has 3 years warranty and in November only 2 of those are up. They said all right, so I bought an Asrock B550 Steel Legend as substitute in the mean time, and now that I have that one in... I lost interest in anything computers.

So my grumble is myself. :)
834) Message boards : Projects : Can't create LHC@home account (Message 105160)
Posted 17 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the project doesn't know your email address, there's no (longer) an account for you there. In that case, just make it anew.
835) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105158)
Posted 17 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Please help us test a potential new Zooniverse project - Windrush Generations

What the researchers say:
"It is estimated that between 1946 and 1970, around half a million people migrated from the West Indies to live in Britain. Members of this wave of migration have become known as the ‘Windrush Generation’, and their valuable contributions, to every facet of British life, in the face of unparalleled challenges, have indelibly shaped Britain’s society and culture.

Despite their impact, much remains unknown about those pioneering individuals who left behind all they knew and set out to make a new life in a new country. In some cases, even their arrival in the country is disputed, leading to the Windrush Scandal and the persecution of British citizens with every right to remain in Britain. For the majority, their arrival in Britain marked the beginning of a new phase in their life and the beginning of a new phase in British History. It is vital that we understand that as fully as we can.

The aim of the Windrush Generations project is to transcribe the passenger lists of people arriving in Britain on ships from the West Indies.

Building a dataset of information about individuals who arrived in Britain from the West Indies in the period 1946 to 1960, will provide a far more detailed picture of post-war migration from the Caribbean. It will allow us to investigate themes including: community development; occupational influences and clusters; kinship groups; and trends and patterns in the volume and nature of migration."


How to help out:
Try it out now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/lewlewwaller/windrush-generations and give us your feedback via this form https://forms.gle/jWDZEYTiwLBrfMyg6 (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).

Your feedback is extremely important to us when deciding whether to approve or reject a project. To date you have helped launch over 350 Zooniverse projects!

Thanks for all your help,

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
836) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 105157)
Posted 17 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nanci Griffith, 68, American singer, guitarist, and songwriter.
837) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 105138)
Posted 15 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, YOUR great president has really stepped in it this time......................
And I do mean YOUR president, because he is NOT mine.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/live-updates-taliban-gain-more-ground-in-afghanistan-as-they-close-in-on-kabul


How quickly people forget and point at the next guy;

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2021/03/17/us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-trumps-deadline-weighs-biden/4667248001/

President Joe Biden is under mounting pressure as he weighs whether to fully withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan by May 1, a deadline negotiated by the Trump administration.

It was Trump who started the retreat of US soldiers from all the world's war havens.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54968200
Trump 'to order further troop withdrawal' from Afghanistan and Iraq
16 November 2020
838) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105128)
Posted 14 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: Post.nl saying they were at my door to deliver my motherboard, but I wasn't at home, while I sat literally 2 meters away from the door bell, gaming without headphones on to hear the bell. And this is the kind of bell that'll wake up the dead. I check my camera (which records a picture every 2 seconds) and only saw one van arrive an hour before. I have spoken with that delivery person and he said "yeah I have been there, at number such and so". No other van ever stops in front of my flat or anyone rings the bell.

So I thought I'll go complain. I cannot. I can talk to a bot at their Facebook page, but ain't got that and not going to get it either.
The rest of the complaint options at Post.nl are only for business days between 8:30 and 20:00 hours. The rest of the time the internet is apparently disconnected or otherwise unavailable? You have to explain those newfangled things to me. I cannot even complain about their complaints page until Monday 8:30...

The least client friendly post business in The Netherlands, maybe even the world. But they do keep raising the value of postage stamps every year, and the amount of money you have to pay for sending a package. And with that have large sums of profit each year. Have a 24/7 complaints page though? Nah.

That was another thing, when I got their notification at midnight that they were coming today I immediately tried to change it to picking up at a business point. I could not. Why give the option in the mail when you don't have the option? So now I have to wait till Monday 3pm until I can pick up the motherboard at a business point at the other side of town, instead of the one 70 meters away from me. That's F'you for client friendliness.
839) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory usage by Boinc (Message 105125)
Posted 14 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You shouldn't need to do anything like that, as with each change of project applications are swapped out of memory and new ones start. At least at the default setting of "Leave applications in memory" set to No.

Even applications within the same project, when tasks end and new ones start, they do so with their own science application, leaving memory and starting anew.
840) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory usage by Boinc (Message 105118)
Posted 13 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because that exits the tasks out of memory and restarts them, possibly from the beginning.
841) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 105101)
Posted 13 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: it would seem I have a short circuit in my motherboard. The other day I attached a USB-C cable and the whole computer shut down immediately.
Since that time I have a slight electric burn smell coming from it. It works but I wouldn't say I want to continue running with it for too long.

So Glory: I bought a new motherboard, it'll come in tomorrow. I can then exchange motherboards and bring this one (Asrock X470 Taichi) back to the store on Monday as it's still under warranty and can be sent back to Asrock for them to check. I never could get SMT to work anyway, not without the computer rebooting. So tomorrow the Asrock B550 Steel Legend comes in. Wonder where I left my CPU thermal paste.
842) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory usage by Boinc (Message 105096)
Posted 13 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The last column shows the actual process taking up the memory, which in this case is an Einstein application (times 4). If these are the ones taking up all the memory, then you'll have to report this to the Einstein project https://einsteinathome.org/community/forum
843) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory usage by Boinc (Message 105093)
Posted 13 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then check what is using that memory. It shouldn't be BOINC itself as it doesn't do any of the calculations, it's just a managing program.
844) Message boards : Web interfaces : Access raw boinc data to create stats (Message 105022)
Posted 11 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go to any project's website and add /stats to the end of the URL, like so: http://www.gpugrid.net/stats/
It has no additional .html extension to it.

Here you can download the statistics data.
Btw, the two outliers I find so quickly are Einstein (which uses Drupal) and WCG (which uses its own proprietary website). You'll have to ask at their forums how to get the data.
845) Message boards : News : Android client version 7.18.1 released. (Message 105020)
Posted 11 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
After reporting it to Github: #4502, Vitalii answered: thanks for the report. I missed this while building a release. This is just a text message leftover. I'll fix that before next release.
846) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 105011)
Posted 10 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

No two snowflakes are alike, right? The Zooniverse's latest project - Snowflake ID - is trying to learn more!

Each and every snowflake is shaped by its atmosphere as it forms and falls. For example, a humid environment can cause a more intricate snowflake design. Because of the relationship between snowflakes and their atmosphere, scientists can look at the unique shape, size, and density of a snowflake to make predictions about what type of cloud it fell from and where it fell. This is critical information for understanding climate change. In fact, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has stated that accurate representation of snow particles is one of the most important factors for accurately predicting climate change.

Here’s where you come in- we have thousands of photographs of snowflakes from all over the world and we need your help classifying them. When you classify a snowflake in Snowflake ID, you’re actually helping devise a set of rules (aka training a supervised classification algorithm) that we’ll use to classify more snowflakes in the future. With enough help from citizen scientists like you, we’ll eventually be able to automatically classify every type of snowflake. This valuable information could eventually be incorporated into global climate models to better understand and predict the impact of snowflakes on climate change. Anyone can participate!

Sound interesting? Come check out the wonderful world of snowflakes at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/fitch09/snowflake-id


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
847) Message boards : News : Android client version 7.18.1 released. (Message 104985)
Posted 7 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked at the email list, thanks.
848) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install Windows 11 on an "Old PC" (Message 104981)
Posted 7 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for taking the time to test this on old hardware and posting it out here.

The present client doesn't recognize Windows 11 yet, that's fixed in #4468 and will come in a later BOINC release.
849) Message boards : Questions and problems : No longer receiving new tasks (Message 104976)
Posted 6 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/server_status.php shows that at this moment the project has 1 task ready to send. So it's effectively out of work. Nothing wrong with your BOINC.
850) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104940)
Posted 4 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Luckily he posted with just one account. The tricky ones are those posting with multiple accounts at the same time.
851) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 104923)
Posted 2 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN head-honcho wrote:
Hi All,

Just to let you all know that there will be a period of downtime for the CPDN services tomorrow, Tuesday (3rd August). The CPDN services are expected to be disrupted for the majority of the working day. This downtime have been requested by the Engineering Department IT Support in order for them to conduct work on network switches. We apologies for any inconvenience.

Best regards,

Andy Bowery
852) Message boards : Questions and problems : resource share - again (Message 104922)
Posted 2 Aug 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can't set resource share in BOINC Manager, because it's a project preference. To add that to the Manager (and client) needs a substantial rewrite of the software, which isn't in the books for the two or three volunteers we have. If you have the knowledge, there's nothing in the way for you to do it though.

Also do know that resource share is a long timed process, you won't see changes to it overnight, the client first has to make contact with all the active projects again and check the Recent Estimated Credit to see which project is next eligible to fetch work. And then there's the small fact that the client is still using a single CPU scheduler, it doesn't really know about multi-cored and multi-threaded CPUs and so you'll find that most of the times all cores will work on 1 project's tasks only.

Maybe in due time, if you leave things well alone, will it switch to running the tasks of two projects at the same time, this happens easiest when you use projects with similar deadlines. But is still a long timed process.

Still think it can be done better, and have the know-how and the time? https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit is the place to start.
853) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 104904)
Posted 30 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
"A few more"...

You probably fall into the category of people for whom "it just takes a minute" takes an hour and a half, "it'll be done in a jiffy" takes a week and "getting a substantial pay increase" means 14 cents more per hour. ;-)
854) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC appearing on VM, but unable to find it on the VM (Message 104893)
Posted 29 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
quite a bit of BOINC traffic
What is "quite a bit of BOINC traffic"? How do you recognize it? And can't you use Wireshark to see what directory it comes from? A person installing it doesn't need to install it in the regular directories, or as a service. We don't know if MS uses (leftover) CPU cores for BOINC, you'd have to ask them that.

You can always ask MS Azure Support to check the machine out.
No, we don't condone people using machines they don't own.
855) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104881)
Posted 28 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nathan Jonas "Joey" Jordison, 46, American, co-founder and ex-drummer of metal band Slipknot.
856) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104870)
Posted 24 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
But having said that, I now found the desktop switch option in Windows 10 and find it refreshingly good. I can park all my programming stuff in one desktop, and when I want to do something else, switch to my second desktop and work there. Only had to remember to turn hibernation on, so the desktop state is saved to disk.
857) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104869)
Posted 24 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time to take a break. Been hunting for over an hour why part of my page was white all of a sudden, then found it, I'd put a background: #ffffffff; in the section element of my CSS file without noticing there where two sections above where that code should start. At least I found it. :p
858) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104859)
Posted 21 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did, it's them who said I can come Saturday for the report. They're apparently overburdened.
I did do the report Saturday morning. It's going to take some weeks to be written down and sent to me for review. Meanwhile Victim Support reached out to me, I'll keep them under deliberation if I need them at any time. The fact that my best friend had to go into hiding over this is what gave me the most problems the past week, but she called the other day so I'm doing better. She's missing me like crazy, that feeling is very mutual. I just hope that in the end they'll pick up this guy and just drop his behind over the border, persona non grata. He's not getting a citizenship anyway, so he's now really very much an illegal and can be removed from this country - not that that ever happens.
859) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104844)
Posted 19 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fortunately, my night clubbing days are long gone. A pint or two of a nice locally brewed beer in a congenial pub is much more my style!
But this is just the beginning. It starts with clubs and "some other venues", and before you know it, it's compulsory to have it everywhere. Your care home people have to have compulsory two dose vaccinations by October, it's just waiting for other work areas to follow. Quite scary.

By the way, three weeks ago our night clubs reopened, at the time we had just above 1,000 new covid cases a day.
Since last week we have a daily 10,000 new covid cases and our night clubs have closed again. We'll check up on jolly old UK in 2 weeks time then.
860) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104842)
Posted 19 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enjoy your newfound freedoms, in the UK as soon they'll be gone again.
"The prime minister confirms vaccine passports will be compulsory for clubbers from the end of September, without an option to show a negative test instead. The government had said it could make proof of vaccination mandatory but now it's saying it definitely will, regardless of what happens over the coming weeks."

"If your jab's not done, you're not coming in."
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-57864699
861) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suspend tasks after checkpoint (Message 104840)
Posted 19 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why can't Boinc do this itself?
Mostly because the developers try to keep client and manager as simple as possible.

This option you ask for isn't something that'll help thousands of users, and when it can easily be done via a 3rd party app already, then why not use the 3rd party app?
If you still want to have it added to client or manager, best do a feature request at the BOINC Github page at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues.
862) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 104830)
Posted 18 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone ready for the new Time Team?
Yep, they're bringing the band back together. Paid for by Patreons.
Episodes will be released on Patreon and their Youtube channel.

See this episode for who's returning. Nope, thus far not Sir Tony or Phil.
At least subscribe to the channel.
863) Message boards : Questions and problems : Loss of statistical data when machine crashes (Message 104811)
Posted 16 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Currently I'm running 7.17.0 (x64)
Which doesn't say much. Whenever you downloaded the source code during the past 7.16 development cycle (starting April 2020) and compiled it, it would compile as 7.17.0 as that's what it says in the versions.h header file. And if you don't change it, it'll be that version.

So if you want to report something like that, say when you downloaded its code.
Also, as with everything computers: backup, backup, backup. So, backup your data directory every week, in such case you lose a week at max at a next crash. Of course, you can also run a script that backs up the statistics_*.xml files every day.
864) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104801)
Posted 15 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy "The Viking" Fordham, 59, English professional darts player.
865) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104800)
Posted 15 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Peter R. de Vries, 64, Dutch investigative journalist and crime reporter.
866) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104783)
Posted 13 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you have received a death threat, don't wait until Saturday to file a report with the police. Do it immediately.
I did, it's them who said I can come Saturday for the report. They're apparently overburdened.
867) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104780)
Posted 13 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: get threatened and instead of the person threatening being taken away, you have to go into (official) hiding.
I was threatened (with death) as well, am filing a report with the police on Saturday.
868) Message boards : BOINC client : Please test Macintosh BOINC version 7.16.18 (Message 104722)
Posted 8 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton, Mac developer wrote:
We have a new build 7.16.18 of BOINC for Macintosh computers available for testing at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php. Please read this email carefully before installing it. For more information on alpha testing, please see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Change from version 7.16.17:

On Apple Silicon M1 Macs, the BOINC 7.16.18 Mac installer now checks to see whether Apple's Rosetta 2 has already been installed. (Please do not confuse Apple's Rosetta 2 with the BOINC Rosetta project; they are completely different things.) If not, it displays a dialog:
> "BOINC can run project applications written for intel Macs if Rosetta 2 is installed. Do you want to install Rosetta 2 now?

If the user answers Yes, the BOINC installer automatically installs Rosetta 2 before continuing with the installation of BOINC.

==============

The main purpose of the 7.16.17 and 7.16.18 builds is to expand BOINC on new Apple Silicon M1 Macs by reporting their emulated Intel capabilities to project servers. This will allow those servers to send Intel project apps to M1 Macs for crunching.

But we need testing on Intel Macs as well, to ensure that the changes have not broken anything for these computers.

In addition to the usual general tests, please test the following:

* On Intel Macs:

Confirm that the new build correctly reports the capabilities of your computer. To do this, copy the "Processor features:" message from the Event Log of an older version and carefully compare it to the same message from this new version. Note: you can find older log messages in the file "/Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/stdoutdae.txt". Please report any discrepancies between the old and new "Processor features" to this boinc-alpha email list.

* On Apple Silicon (M1) Macs:

Apple Silicon Macs can run applications written for Intel CPUs using Apple's Rosetta 2 translation / emulation. To support running BOINC projects written for Intel CPUs on an Apple Silicon Mac, Rosetta 2 must have been installed.

If you have not yet installed Apple's Rosetta 2 on your Apple Silicon Mac, the version 7.16.18 Mac installer should ask if you want it to do that. Please report if this did not work. If you don't allow installing Rosetta 2, BOINC won't report Intel specific capabilities in its "Processor features:" message.

Once Rosetta 2 is installed on your Apple Silicon (M1) Mac, inspect the "Processor features:" message from the Event Log. Following a series of features specific to the Apple Silicon CPU, you should see the following Intel specific capabilities:
> fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr
> pge mca cmov pat pse36 clfsh ds acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pbe pni
> pclmulqdq dtse64 mon dscpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 tpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2
> aes seglim64

* Other changes since the current recommended release version 7.16.14 include:
- Check if graphics app file exists and we can execute it before enabling the "Show graphics" button.
- Fix high CPU use by Simple View when run on MacOS 10.14 and later.
- Fix Disk tab in advanced view shown as mirror view when Hebrew is language.
- Fix a problem when link in notices tab contain ampersand '&'.
- Fixes to issues writing config files.
- Fix work fetch after writing config files.

Thank you for supporting BOINC.

Cheers,
--Charlie
869) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104718)
Posted 7 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Carlos Reutemann, 79, Argentine F1 racing driver and later politician
870) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 104706)
Posted 5 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
For my devices, the one that got the Data collect version 5 v5.03 (android_arm_non_pie) tasks, they all crashed.
All later received Data collect version 5 v5.07 (android_arm_pie) run fine across the board. On everything Android 7, 8.1, 9 and 10.
871) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 104701)
Posted 4 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be nice if selecting ,add project. from the main menu gave the option to add from url rather than having to chose <projects> then go to the three dots at top right of screen to find the option to add from URL.

I've put that one in Github: Ticket #4437
872) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 104691)
Posted 3 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/02/chp-tickets-driver-with-apparent-spacex-starlink-dish-on-hood.html

A California Highway Patrol officer pulled over a vehicle on Friday that had a satellite dish bolted to the car’s hood, and the device appeared to be one of SpaceX’s Starlink antennas.

“Sir I stopped you today for that visual obstruction on your hood. Does it not block your view while driving?” CHP of Antelope Valley wrote in a Facebook post about the incident.

CHP added that the motorist replied: “Only when I make right turns.”


🤣
873) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104688)
Posted 2 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: my new phone came in. I'm upgrading from a Huawei P20 Lite to an Asus Zenfone 8 and already loving it. It's the same size as my old phone, but has a Snapdragon 888 SoC, 8GB RAM, 256GB storage. And a 3.5mm headphone jack. 😁
Stereo speakers, it's L O U D !!

Nag: for the past hour it's been telling me it's taking 36 minutes to copy all data. 😉
874) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 104685)
Posted 1 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Please help us test a potential new Zooniverse project - Stories of St James's Burial Ground

What the researchers say:
"High-Speed Rail 2 (HS2) is a major infrastructure project connecting cities across the UK with faster train lines and services. In London, contractors Costain Skanska Joint Venture (CSJV) are managing work near Euston Station where construction is taking place on the site of St James’s Burial Ground, a major 18th-19th century cemetery site. Ahead of this work over 100 archaeologists and specialists from MOLA Headland Infrastructure were brought in to excavate and record over 40,000 burials, the largest archaeological excavation of its kind ever undertaken in the UK. While this is giving us unique insight into the people who lived in London during a time of rapid growth and social change, much more still needs to be done. We need your help!

We are seeking volunteers to assist with the transcription of burial records in order to create a searchable digital archive. These records contain information about the thousands of ordinary Londoners buried at St James’s, including their names, addresses, occupations and more. With your help we can begin to understand the everyday details of who these people were and how they lived, contributing to an unprecedented record of Georgian and Victorian urban life in London. All contributions can be made online, no previous experience is needed and you can choose to do as much or as little as you like."

How to help out:
Try it out now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/mola/stories-of-st-jamess-burial-ground and give us your feedback via this form https://forms.gle/VxMrvHLuJDBj1nJj9 (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).

Thanks for all your help!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
875) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 104684)
Posted 1 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to let you know that the Zooniverse has recently added three exciting new projects! Read more below to find out about the research these three teams are carrying out, and why they really need your help with it:

Davy Notebooks Project

Imagine being in the room with the early nineteenth century’s ‘foremost man of science,’ Sir Humphry Davy. Around you are the remnants of experiments in the biological, geological, chemical, and electrical sciences – all fields coming into their own at this moment. On the table in front of you, a notebook contains developing theories that will come to define the ways we understand the physical world – but there are also private notes, fragments of poetry, and sketches that give you insights into the private workings of this exceptional mind.

We need your help bringing Sir Humphry Davy’s notebooks – some 75 of them – back to light. Many of the pages of Davy's notebooks have never been transcribed before. We know that they contain poetry, experiments, philosophical speculations, and more. Yet, to a large extent, we don't know what these notebooks contain, and what studying them might reveal. We need your help to explore the fascinating - and sometimes surprising - connections between poetry and science, and help us to better understand Davy's life, work, and ideas.

We’re looking for volunteers to work alongside researchers from Lancaster University, University College London, the University of Manchester, and the Royal Institution of Great Britain to digitally preserve these notebooks by producing transcriptions that, after editing, will be published online alongside images of the notebooks on a free-to-access website as part of Lancaster Digital Collections.

By contributing to this project, you will be helping us make these 200-year-old notebooks newly accessible for readers and researchers, driving forward understandings of how poetry and science could co-exist today.

Start transcribing today at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/humphrydavy/davy-notebooks-project


Plastic Litter Project: Coastal Litter Mapping

In a relatively short period of time, the attributes of plastic initially perceived to be positive characteristics - convenience and longevity - have shifted to pose a widespread environmental problem. Within the marine context, millions of tonnes of plastic enter our oceans annually. The economic cost to marine natural capital alone is estimated to range from $3300–$33,000 per ton of plastic per year.

The Marine Remote Sensing Group (MRSG) is using drones to acquire images from a series of coastal zones with high-resolution optical sensors. Using the power of 'deep learning', the team trains AI algorithms that can map and quantify the marine litter washing onto beaches.

In their project, volunteers help identify images containing marine litter. You will help them create a dataset for their deep learning algorithms and help their team to map marine litter accumulation. The more images you classify, the better the machine learning algorithms get!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/moutzouris/plastic-litter-project-coastal-litter-mapping.

NOTE: This project is also available on the Zooniverse mobile app! You can download the Zooniverse app from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store. You'll find the Plastic Litter Project in the 'Climate' section.


HMS NHS: The Nautical Health Service

Get your sea legs ready! Join us on an historical journey into the medical side of seafaring....

Beginning in 1826 on a worn out, leaking wooden warship, seafarers of all nations entering the busy port of London were treated at the Greenwich Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital for over a hundred and fifty years. What does their combined data tell us about the health of the seafaring community, the risks they faced and how medical theory applied at sea?

Royal Museums Greenwich is setting sail on a project to transcribe the hospital admission registers, to provide answers to these questions and many more. When completed, the project will provide statistical data on the health of the maritime world, the prevalence of all kinds of medical complaints and show which posed the greatest risks to health at sea. It will also provide an almost unlimited number of case studies on common injuries, their treatments and recovery times. If you enjoy deciphering old handwriting or have an interest in the history of medicine, this project is for you.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/msalmon/hms-nhs-the-nautical-health-service.

Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
876) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 104682)
Posted 1 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everything downloaded so far from YOYO and Moo Wrapper has crashed.

Yeah that happens here as well, I assume it's the 32bit compatibility library issue. Which you cannot easily fix unless you rooted your device or put your own ROM onto it. So just don't use those projects on a 64bit device.

As for your other issue, present BOINC allows for setting of download days and extra storage, maybe check "Show advanced preferences" and check things like "Max. used storage space (%)" which defaults to 90% and "Work unit buffer (days)" (default 0.1) and "Additional work unit buffer" (days) (default 0.5)
877) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 104680)
Posted 1 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Other options to post to are:
- The BOINC Alpha email list: https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/forum/#!forum/boinc_alpha (I just posted my report to there)
- Directly into BOINC's Github repository: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
878) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104675)
Posted 1 Jul 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Donald Rumsfeld, former secretary of defense, dies at 88
879) Message boards : Questions and problems : Gibt's Irgendwann, Eine, Neue, Boinc Version, Für Windows 10 oder Windows 11? (Message 104670)
Posted 30 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php has the newest available. It'll work on Windows 10 for sure. We don't know ifit works on Windows 11 until someone tests that, but I wouldn't know why not as Windows 11 is backwards compatible with Windows 10, just as 10 is BWC with previous versions of Windows, else none of your programs work anymore. That's quite expensive at each Windows Update.

BOINC doesn't use the GPU, so any questions you have about the load of the GPU is best asked at the projects you run.
BOINC is a management program, it doesn't do any of the science by itself, it doesn't use your hardware. It only gives projects science applications the capability to use the hardware.
880) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 104663)
Posted 29 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boston Dynamics's robot Spot showing off how it's going to conquer the world. By dancing you to love it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7atZfX85nd4
881) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 104661)
Posted 29 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
We've released a new Android version for testing.
If you have an Android device please consider testing it.
You can download it here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

The changes relative to 7.16 are described here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes

Please report test results here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php
882) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android Client 7.18.1 available (Message 104655)
Posted 28 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's not released yet. But will be soon. In the mean time, check out https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/releases/tag/client_release/7.18/7.18.0 for its list of updates, fixes and known issues.
883) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 104652)
Posted 28 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
April Fool's is early/late this year: https://www.otago.ac.nz/news/news/releases/otago830110.html
Researchers develop world-first weight loss device

University of Otago and UK researchers have developed a world-first weight-loss device to help fight the global obesity epidemic.

DentalSlim Diet Control is an intra-oral device fitted by a dental professional to the upper and lower back teeth. It uses magnetic devices with unique custom-manufactured locking bolts. It allows the wearer to open their mouths only about 2mm, restricting them to a liquid diet, but it allows free speech and doesn’t restrict breathing.
884) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104644)
Posted 27 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You should rename yourself to "I know better than all of you even when all that leaves my keyboard is utter BS". Welcome back to my ignore list.
885) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104637)
Posted 27 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's still not a UPS and can only be used during daylight hours and preferably when the sun is shining. It doesn't help during the dire hours of rain-, snow-, thunder- and other storms that cause the power to go out in the first place.
886) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104635)
Posted 26 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
A UPS doesn't keep your computer running when the power's out, it'll just allow you to gracefully shut it down when the power goes out. If you want to keep your computer running through a brown- or blackout, you need a generator and quite a beefy one at that.
887) Message boards : Questions and problems : running windows and linux clients at the same time. (Message 104634)
Posted 26 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Other virtualisation solutions do support passthrough, but BOINC doesn't support them - so we're stuck.
In this case BOINC doesn't have to support the hypervisor of choice as it's running inside it. It's not that the hypervisor needs to be seen by BOINC when BOINC runs inside this hypervisor. For all it cares it's running in a version of Windows or Linux or whatever Dave chose to run inside the hypervisor in order for BOINC to run and use the GPU for calculations.
888) Message boards : Questions and problems : MacOS disk data location for TimeMachine exception (Message 104610)
Posted 22 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
/Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/
889) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 104604)
Posted 18 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Portal lovers, ahoy!
Have fun with Portal - The Sound Of Science
890) Message boards : Questions and problems : Change of computer equipment (Message 104600)
Posted 18 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most of the science applications run on an "Intel-compatible CPU", so that includes AMD, Intel, and anything else (though not ARM).

I say "most" because there are GPU applications, which require the correct GPU, of course.

I know what you meant, the advice is to go from an Intel to an Intel CPU, and AMD to AMD CPU to make sure BOINC doesn't hiccup on recognizing the CPU. Maybe the advice is still sound when going from a 32bit to a 64bit CPU - and certainly the other way around when the applications are 64bit - but I don't think it matters much these days.
891) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104597)
Posted 18 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Linus (from LTT) tested the new Windows 11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odZSCdNTFPw
(Hint: it's just Windows 10 with a new UI, new icons and a new Start menu)
892) Message boards : Questions and problems : Change of computer equipment (Message 104596)
Posted 18 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even with identical computers you would need to be both very lucky and have a very good knowledge of BOINC to transfer them.


???
Maybe with Linux, but with Windows it's just copying the data directory over from one computer to the next, install BOINC on the new computer and continue where you left off.
893) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not sending out workunits after mass cancel (Message 104589)
Posted 17 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think he is Milkyway@Home, as to me it sounds like he's talking about deprecating work, not canceling tasks in his cache.

@AxiomOmen, I think you best ask at the BOINC Projects email list https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/g/boinc_projects to get help from fellow project admins, and/or the developers. We're mostly helping people with their client problems these days.
894) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104584)
Posted 16 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, they give the same weather warning here, so make that closer to 90%.
895) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104577)
Posted 15 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yesterday I installed Windows 10 update 21H1 on my main computer, which - albeit slow - went off without a hitch.
So tonight I tried it on my media machine, only for it to run into the "Preparing automatic repairs" loop.

None of the options out there worked, really. But then while going into the command prompt, I noticed that the C: drive was my 6TB HDD, while my Windows SSD was drive D:

So I rebooted, went into boot options and saw that the first boot option was set to the Windows Boot Manager on my HDD... Switched it the Windows Boot Manager on my SSD, rebooted and it went back into updating Windows. Yay!

Only thing was, at each consecutive automatic reboot, did I need to check those boot options. I don't know why Windows Update needed to switch to the HDD all the time, but it's annoying. Anyway, Windows is updated to 21H1 and numerous reboots further I have no problems with it switching drives again.
896) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104566)
Posted 11 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lucinda Riley, 55, Irish author (The Seven Sisters Series)
897) Message boards : Android : Tasks not sending back nor my device can't get them (Message 104561)
Posted 11 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that you're not behind a corporate firewall, these tend to block communications like this.
What does it say in the messages for downloads/uploads?
898) Message boards : Questions and problems : Speed of uploads/downloads. (Message 104546)
Posted 9 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's probably because the first upload saturates your upload pipe. It can't immediately go out of the way of the second upload, so that one will slowly climb, until it has about half the upload speed.
899) Message boards : Questions and problems : Many boinc subforums are locked (Message 104539)
Posted 7 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Threads are automatically locked after 90 days to defer spammers from necromancing ancient threads to post their crap into. If you want a thread reopened, go to the thread, click on the red X in the bottom (white X on a red background) and ask in the following window if a moderator will please reopen that thread. But you have to be quick, because the server will relock the thread within several hours if not immediately posted in.

Edit: and mind, the moderators are also busy elsewhere, they don't necessarily keep an eye on their email all the time so it may take a little while for one to react.
900) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104511)
Posted 1 Jun 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Firefox put some middle fingers in my face again, by changing how the browser looks and instead of giving the option to keep the old look and change to the new look, they just changed to the new look with no option to go back to the previous look. Thanks. I love you. Not.
901) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104507)
Posted 31 May 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Joe Lara, 58, American actor, tv series Tarzan: The Epic Adventures
Gwen Shamblin Lara, 66, American author and founder of the Christian diet program The Weigh Down Workshop and founder of the Remnant Fellowship Church.
902) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104502)
Posted 29 May 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gavin MacLeod, 90, American actor (Captain Merrill Stubing in The Love Boat)
903) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104490)
Posted 27 May 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
John Davis, 66, American/German singer, best known for being one of the actual singers of Girl You Know It's True (1989) by Milli Vanilli.
904) Message boards : Documentation : "NO DC" in the screen saver? (Message 104483)
Posted 26 May 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a part of BOINC, but apparently a text overlay by a third party app such as Godot.
See also https://linustechtips.com/topic/1319263-no-dc-on-all-games/

Hope you uninstalled the AMD drivers prior to installing the Nvidia card as having these on a system with an Nvidia card can give trouble in Windows.
905) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104461)
Posted 24 May 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Max Mosley, 81 , British racing driver, lawyer and a former president of the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA)
906) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 104424)
Posted 20 May 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
If they have an Android smartphone, the program I used on my travels through England is https://www.sygic.com/ (or use this link to the Android Play Store). You download the maps for it onto the device. These maps are regularly updated.
907) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 104406)
Posted 18 May 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

In this weeks' Zooniverse newsletter I bring you news of a brand new project, a recently launched project that needs more help, and a virtual conference on NASA citizen science projects. Enjoy!


Woodpecker Cavity Cam

Researchers in Minnesota need your help to learn about the fascinating world of red-headed woodpecker nest cavities!

Red-headed woodpeckers are a striking, charismatic bird found in the Midwest and Eastern United States. Unfortunately, the species has experienced dramatic regional declines over the last 50 years. Scientists at Cedar Creek Ecosystem Science Reserve, home to one of the densest breeding populations of red-headed woodpeckers in Minnesota, are studying this species to learn more about nest success and survival, habitat use, migration, movement patterns and competition with other wildlife species.

Red-headed woodpeckers excavate holes in trees for nesting. These cavities are also a vital resource for other animals, including bats, squirrels, tree frogs, and birds like nuthatches, blue birds, and chickadees which do not create cavities themselves but depend on their availability for breeding and roosting. Through the Woodpecker Cavity Cam Project, we hope to gain a better understanding of the diverse wildlife that compete for these cavities, and how they use them throughout the year. Using trail cameras installed at our red-headed woodpecker cavities, we are capturing video clips of the behaviors and interactions of the community of animals that depend on these holes. Midnight sneak attacks by flying squirrels, foiled egg and bird predation attempts, parents bringing insects to baby birds and sharing childcare duties…..our cameras document it all! With your help classifying video clips, our team of scientists and community members will advance our understanding of red-headed woodpeckers and the role they play in their community!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/elwest/woodpecker-cavity-cam


Climate History Australia

Australia is no stranger to extreme weather and climate—from drought to bushfires, heatwaves and floods. We need to look at the past to better understand the future.

This project, run by the Australian National University (ANU) is a new citizen science project that aims to create Australia's longest daily weather record, beginning in 1838. We need volunteers to help close an eight-year gap in the daily weather of Adelaide, South Australia, from 1843 to 1856.

The ‘comments’ and ‘wind’ workflows are ideal for those who like working with words, and for those who like numbers there’s instrumental variables including attached thermometers, air temperature and air pressure. We’ve created 'Easy' sections for beginners, and you can work up the levels as you want more of a challenge!

These journals are over 170-years-old, and are some of the oldest weather records in the Southern Hemisphere. It’s amazing that these observations haven’t been transcribed or used in climate change research yet.

Our team is also preparing weather rescue projects for other regions in Australia, such as Perth, later this year. So this is your chance to get involved in the first of hopefully many more projects run by the team at Climate History Australia.

Find out more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/caitlinhowlett/climate-history-australia

One last thing:
CitSciCon, a two-day celebration of NASA citizen science projects and people will be taking place on Friday and Saturday (May 21-22). This event features a series of Zoom-based talks and events, and features a keynote presentation by our very own Zooniverse PI Chris Lintott on Saturday, 22 May 2021 at 12-1:30pm US Eastern time! Register/RSVP for that event, along with many other great sessions, by visiting the CitSciCon website, or tune in to the live stream on the Citizen Science Association's YouTube page.


As always, thanks for all your help!
Grant and the Zooniverse Team
908) Message boards : Questions and problems : World Community Grid gets stuck (Message 104391)
Posted 16 May 2021 by Profile Jord
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Back to BOINC, In the Activities tab of the BOINC Manager I selected Suspend GPU.
Which only suspends work in progress, it doesn't stop you from getting work for the GPU.

I did selected the four boxes in the WCG page Advanced

And saved that device profile.
Ah, but did you also tell to use that device profile? In https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewProfiles.do you can see you have 4 different profiles. If you saved the changes in the default profile, but chose to use the Home profile here, it won't use the changes you saved.
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewDevices.do, click on your device's name, make sure the profile selected here matches the profile you made the changes in.

And crucially, what is the status of "If there is no work available for the project(s) I have selected above, please send me work from another project." ?? If it's checked, this will probably send you GPU work when you don't want it.
909) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 104377)
Posted 13 May 2021 by Profile Jord
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Hi there,

I'm delighted to let you all know that we have two brand new, and very different Zooniverse projects for you this week. As always, the research teams behind these project cannot achieve their goals without your help! Therefore, they will be very grateful for any assistance you can give them with their research. Find out more, and learn how to get involved in these new projects below:

Drawing Knowledge

Are you interested in drawings and the arts?

The J. Paul Getty Museum is excited to announce the launch of their first crowdsourcing project Drawing Knowledge.

In this project, volunteers–– like you––will take the lead in describing and interpreting drawings from the Getty Museum’s extraordinary collection which includes works by artists such as Leonardo da Vinci and Vincent van Gogh. Participants will be presented with a random selection of drawings from over 1000 individual sheets and will be asked to share their knowledge and observations. Drawing Knowledge also seeks to foster an online community built around a shared appreciation of the drawings and hopes to spark lively discussions among participants and curators.

Your contributions will help us improve the experience of future visitors both in gallery and online. The collected data will inform the interpretation of drawing and improve the search functionality of the website by providing subject-tags, making the collection more accessible.

It’s time to “Getty” involved and give this project a try!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/babkluna/drawing-knowledge


Drones for Ducks

Ever wanted to get a bird’s eye view…of birds?

Now you can, with the launch of Drones for Ducks! In this joint project from the University of New Mexico and US Fish and Wildlife, you’ll tag migratory birds in drone photos from wildlife refuges in New Mexico.

Every year, biologists count populations of migratory birds that spend the winter at wildlife refuges. They need to know how many birds there are to ensure there are enough resources to go around for everyone, and to track changes in the population over time. Migratory birds are important not only to one ecosystem but many as they complete their seasonal treks. Understanding impacts to their populations can help us understand environmental problems that span vast regions, even continents!

Our goal is to develop a whole new way of surveying wildlife populations that is less disruptive and more accurate than surveying on foot: using drones!

But we have one big problem—the large number of images that come from the drones makes counting birds by hand an overwhelming and time-consuming task. To get around this, we are developing an algorithm that can scan the images and automatically count and identify the birds for us. To work, the algorithm needs a large number of examples provided by humans of what each kind of bird looks like so that it can learn how to detect them on its own.

This is where you come in! By labeling ducks, geese, and cranes our drone imagery, you will help make that library of examples the algorithm needs to identify the birds. No birding experience required! At the project site, you can find a short tutorial that will teach you to identify ducks, geese, and cranes. You can also connect with the researchers on Talk, as well as on Twitter and Facebook!

Learn more, and join us at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/rowan-aspire/drones-for-ducks


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
910) Message boards : BOINC client : nonstop checkpoint_cpu_time (Message 104335)
Posted 8 May 2021 by Profile Jord
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That's not the flag that got checked, the flag is always within square brackets [ ], so in this case the app_msg_receive flag is checked.

Edit: in case lots of other flags are checked, the default ones needed are: task, file_xfer and sched_ops. All others, if not debugging or needing extra information, can be turned off.
911) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 104313)
Posted 5 May 2021 by Profile Jord
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LIVE: Starship SN15 Flight Test

SpaceX is performing a test flight of Starship SN15. The prototype will aim to be the first Starship vehicle to softly land during a high altitude flight test. Like the previous Starship prototypes, SN15 is expected to fly to approximately 10 kilometers.
912) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not working with data directory on USB 3.0 disk ? (Message 104216)
Posted 30 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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With the newer motherboards there are a lot of USB ports and controllers on board, so you may have to figure out which port is used by your hard drive and which controller is connected to that. Or just turn all off and turn them on one by one.

But in any case, when you check in Device Manager on the Universal Serial Bus Controllers, right click on any of the controllers may give a Power Management tab, click that and uncheck "Allow the computer to turn off the device to save power". Do this also for the Root Hubs, and with chance there's an entry for a USB Mass Storage Device with this tab entry.
913) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem on reinstall BOINC (Message 104215)
Posted 30 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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The BOINC user groups and accounts are only needed to run BOINC as a service. They aren't needed to run BOINC as not a service.

But in case they are missing, and are inhabiting you to reinstall/uninstall, then follow this BOINC FAQ: https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_add_usernames_to_the_BOINC_groups_under_Basic_and_Home_versions_of_Windows%3F

Or:
For the newer Windows 10 versions, to get to the elevated command prompt do the following: Search->type cmd->right-click Command Prompt->choose Run as administrator->Acknowledge.
Then do:
    net user boinc_master /add (press Enter).
    net user boinc_project /add (press Enter).
    net localgroup boinc_admins /add (press Enter).
    net localgroup boinc_projects /add (press Enter).
    net localgroup boinc_users /add (press Enter).
914) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not working with data directory on USB 3.0 disk ? (Message 104213)
Posted 30 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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Depending on operating system, make sure the USB ports/controller don't go into power saving mode after N minutes.
915) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem on reinstall BOINC (Message 104212)
Posted 30 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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You can add the groups and accounts again with the net command from an elevated command line.
I'll write it out later on.
916) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104155)
Posted 27 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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My condolences, Dave
917) Message boards : GPUs : Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling (Message 104085)
Posted 24 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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And there's nothing about whether this will enhance the computational use of GPUs. The only technical commentary concentrates on frame buffering, user input, and latency: in other words, gaming.

In that case one may want to remove the newest Windows Update: https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/04/22/nvidia-suggests-uninstalling-latest-windows-10-updates-to-fix-gaming-issues/
https://nextvame.com/kb5001330-and-kb5001337-updates-cause-problems-with-windows-10-and-games/

A lot of users have reported that having installed Windows 10 KB5001330 cumulative update, they have also experienced some bad stuttering and FPS drop when playing games.

Sub-Reddit R / Windows10 Gamers have reported that the KB5001330 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 2004 (“20H1”) and Windows 10 20H2 and KB5001337 for Windows 10 1903 and 1909 can actually cause blue screens and error messages 0x800f081f, 0x800f0984, or 0x800f0922 during installation.
Error 0x800f081f occurs when installing updates

In this context, current Nvidia GeForce 466.11 WHQL graphics driver and Intel 27.20.100.9466 graphics driver are frequently cited as the cause of crashes. Crashes during installation also occur with AMD graphics cards, regardless of whether they are Core i series or Ryzen.
918) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 104037)
Posted 21 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jim Steinman, 73, American composer and songwriter (Paradise by the dashboard light by Meatloaf,Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler)
919) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 104023)
Posted 20 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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NASA’s New Horizons Reaches a Rare Space Milestone – It’s Almost 5 Billion Miles Away and Still Exploring
In the weeks following its launch in early 2006, when NASA’s New Horizons was still close to home, it took just minutes to transmit a command to the spacecraft, and hear back that the onboard computer received and was ready to carry out the instructions.

As New Horizons crossed the solar system, and its distance from Earth jumped from millions to billions of miles, that time between contacts grew from a few minutes to several hours. And on April 17 at 12:42 UTC (or April 17 at 8:42 a.m. EDT), New Horizons reached a rare deep-space milepost – 50 astronomical units from the Sun, or 50 times farther from the Sun than Earth is.

New Horizons is just the fifth spacecraft to reach this great distance, following the legendary Voyagers 1 and 2 and their predecessors, Pioneers 10 and 11. It’s almost 5 billion miles (7.5 billion kilometers) away; a remote region where one of those radioed commands, even traveling at the speed of light, needs seven hours to reach the far flung spacecraft. Then add seven more hours before its control team on Earth finds out if the message was received.
920) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103966)
Posted 15 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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Yesterday I installed Windows 10 20H2 on two of my systems.
One has a 7,200rpm HDD, the other an NVMe SSD.

The system with the HDD has the least installed on it, it's just a basic machine to cater the NAS to watch stuff of TV.
The system with the SSD is my gaming rig.

HDD: 35 minutes.
SSD: 2 minutes.

Next I'll be installing an SSD in the system with the HDD. It is the way forward. :)
921) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android 7.16.16 not connecting to WU server (Message 103928)
Posted 10 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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The log you gave is the one by the manager when communicating with the client, not the client communicating with a project server.

Which project or projects did you add? Do these have ARM applications? Do they have work for these applications?
922) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103915)
Posted 9 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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So will pomp & circumstance be an exception?
No.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56694327

The Duke of Edinburgh will not have a state funeral and there will be no lying-in-state, in line with his wishes, the College of Arms has said. The college said Prince Philip will lie at rest in Windsor Castle before a royal ceremonial funeral at St George's Chapel.

The public are "regretfully" requested not to attend due to the pandemic.
It is understood the Queen is considering modified funeral and ceremonial arrangements.
923) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 103863)
Posted 6 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robert Mundell, 88, Canadian, father of the Euro and Reaganomics
924) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 103861)
Posted 6 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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Paul Ritter, 55, British actor (Quantum of Solace, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chernobyl)
925) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103847)
Posted 5 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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It's snowing. Brrrr.
926) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103845)
Posted 4 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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What it means is the location of the film. As for 1000's on the one hard drive?
Really?
Where can one buy such a massive storage device?
File compression.

You don't have to have the resolution be in 3840x2160, 1920x1080 or even smaller 1280x720 will get your filesize down.
If you then get H.265 compression instead of H.264, this compresses even better. As such a 1080p resolution file will be 3.5GB in H.264, but much smaller in H.265

I have one 8TB HDD in my NAS that holds several tens of thousands of files of TV series that aren't on television anymore that I'd like to keep.
927) Message boards : Documentation : Time to update Android Help? (Message 103811)
Posted 2 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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(hope I don't get in trouble for posting it twice)
Oh yeah, now you dunnit. Barn Owl will flog you. Maybe. ;)

In answer to your question, the new Android app is so bugged that it's maybe better to wait for the version with fixes being developed right now. And let's hope they put that one out for proper beta testing instead of releasing it fingers crossed it's flawless.

Having read the Help page (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Android_FAQ), it would seem that the workarounds are still very much needed. These cannot be fixed by a newer BOINC version as these are restrictions by the Android operating system.
928) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103799)
Posted 2 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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Btw,
No such thing as a Sci-Fi documentary.
Someone's obviously never seen Mars:
Mars is a documentary and hard science fiction television series produced by National Geographic, which premiered on November 14, 2016, on their channel, and FX.
929) Message boards : Projects : Primates@Home 🐵 (Message 103786)
Posted 1 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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Eric fired them back up for the rest of the day, there's no database though, only the front page.
930) Message boards : Projects : Primates@Home 🐵 (Message 103784)
Posted 1 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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/me bows deeply. And great thanks of course to PAH admin Eric Myers for putting through this temporary change. :)

PS: I was thinking of this earlier, thanks for the reminder!
931) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 103783)
Posted 1 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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Hi there,

You'll be delighted to hear I have not one, but two brand new and exciting Zooniverse projects to introduce you to this week! Have a read below to find out a bit more about them, and please do take part and help the research teams out if you have the interest and time:



Microbe Watch

Toxoplasma gondii is the most common parasite in humans, and is particularly dangerous for people with underlying health conditions such as HIV/AIDS. The team's work at the Host-Toxoplasma Interaction Lab at the University of Birmingham uses an artificial intelligence platform called HRMAn to analyse how Toxoplasma is attacked by the cells it infects. Now they need your help to improve it!

You will be asked to analyse microscope images of infected cells to decide whether they have responded to parasites inside them or not. The images that you classify will be used to re-train HRMAn’s neural networks, and make it even better at recognising infection. Your help on this project will facilitate infection biology research and improve our understanding of human health and disease.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/sb99/microbe-watch

VerbaAlpina

In this project, researchers from the Digital Humanities project VerbaAlpina of Munich University need your help marking and transcribing linguistic attestations of dialect maps from the Italian atlas AIS (Atlante linguistico ed etnografico dell'Italia e della Svizzera meridionale, “Linguistic and ethnographic atlas of Italy and southern Switzerland”).

The project VerbaAlpina seeks to investigate the linguistic and cultural area of the Alpine region from a transnational perspective. Most of the linguistic data VerbaAlpina works with comes from traditional linguistic atlases and dictionaries. One of these linguistic atlases is the AIS. To analyse the atlas data, they first have to undergo a process of systematic data processing. The first step of this process is the transcription of the data.

Even though the data from linguistic atlases could - at least in theory - can be transcribed automatically using OCR software, the assignment of number and text on the atlas maps remains an unsolved problem that could not yet be automated (not even using AI technology). Therefore, we need your help for both assigning words to the corresponding number (in our marking task) and for transcribing the words on the maps (in our optional transcription task).

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/filip-hr/verbaalpina

Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
932) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103781)
Posted 1 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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I was watching a video about "The Secret of Synchronization" last night and in it they show how ice forms. Watch it from https://youtu.be/t-_VPRCtiUg?t=549, although watching the whole thing is really interesting. As are all videos of Veritasium. Anyway, ice forms not gradually, but goes from water, water, water changing to ice almost instantly.
933) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103780)
Posted 1 Apr 2021 by Profile Jord
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Good news. From: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html
A new CDC study provides strong evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections in real-world conditions among health care personnel, first responders, and other essential workers. These groups are more likely than the general population to be exposed to the virus because of their occupations.

The study looked at the effectiveness of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections among 3,950 study participants in six states over a 13-week period from December 14, 2020 to March 13, 2021.

Results showed that following the second dose of vaccine (the recommended number of doses), risk of infection was reduced by 90 percent two or more weeks after vaccination. Following a single dose of either vaccine, the participants’ risk of infection with SARS-CoV-2 was reduced by 80 percent two or more weeks after vaccination.


None of those tested died.
934) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103748)
Posted 30 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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Bye bye SN11. Total failure.
935) Message boards : The Lounge : Looking for a proportional font with unique characters (Message 103740)
Posted 29 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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Funny... when doing 1 and l (lower case ell) just in an answer window, it shows as:
1 l

But when doing it in a code container, the l looks similar to the 1.
 1 l

Why does the code container have a different font than the rest of the forums?
936) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 103689)
Posted 24 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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Make sure to step aside when you see it coming: A supermassive black hole is speeding through space, and astronomers don't know why
937) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 103676)
Posted 23 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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Tag Along with Adler

Tag Along with Adler is a new project from the Adler Planetarium in Chicago that invites you to join the curatorial process of describing objects. Have you ever done an internet search for a specific thing, but found that no matter what you typed in the search bar you couldn’t find what you were looking for? This sort of issue happens most frequently when the language used by the searcher differs from the language used by the institution.

Most museums make their collections searchable online by adding descriptions of their objects; however, depending on how they describe the objects it could impact how users find them. As part of Tag Along with Adler we are asking you to look at the visual art within our collections of works on paper, rare book illustrations, and historic photographs to add the terms you would use to find these images. The Adler acknowledges that it is impossible for any one person to anticipate the language of everyone, so we ask for your help in getting more access points to our data. At the same time we will introduce you to tags created by Artificial Intelligence models, allowing you to compare the tags a computer would add vs. the tags you would add.
In this project, consensus is not the goal. The Adler asks you to join in and help us enrich access to our collections!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/webster-institute/tag-along-with-adler.



Buzzy Bee - African Canopy Pollinators

Would you like to discover some of the tallest African tree canopies? You will not need any harness nor ropes as we are happy to announce the launch of Buzzy Bee – African Canopy Pollinators!

In this new project, citizen scientists count and identify insect pollinators from videos collected in tree canopies in Central Africa. The project focuses on the relationship between pollen dispersal distances, floral traits, and pollinators of 6 different timber tree species that are heavily exploited. The data from this survey are used to better understand regeneration cycles of timber species and will help forest concessions to define sustainable exploitation practices, for example a minimal post-exploitation density ensuring sufficient mating opportunities between remaining trees.

Video footage was collected during two distinct flowering events in three areas of tropical rainforest in Cameroon and Gabon. They were recorded with homemade IoT cameras continuously filming flowers during two to three days, for a total of 597h of footage. Treatment of such data set by one or few EBE scientists (Université Libre de Bruxelles) is not optimal. Your contributions to the Buzzy Bee – African Canopy Pollinators project will help the research team analyze this valuable data and provide insightful information for wildlife conservation.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/obhasin/buzzy-bee-african-canopy-pollinators.



Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
938) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 103657)
Posted 22 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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Forgot about this one.
Angling for Data on Michigan Fishes

This new project from the University of Michigan and the Michigan Department of Natural Resources asks volunteers to help transcribe more than a century's worth of fish observation records, captured on a variety of paper cards, from lakes throughout Michigan.

Volunteer contributions to the project will allow researchers and resource managers to better understand how factors such as development, invasive species, deforestation, and climate change have affected fish populations over the last hundred years. In addition, we'll utilize the latest in data science to combine data on fish, habitat characteristics and management approaches from a variety of historical surveys in new ways, allowing us to build models that explain how and why fish populations have changed over recent decades, predict what changes are likely to occur in the future, and test which management strategies will improve the resilience of fish populations.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/jmschell/angling-for-data-on-michigan-fishes.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
939) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 103656)
Posted 22 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC message boards is temporarily shut down for maintenance. Please try again later.
Haven't had one of those in quite some time.
940) Message boards : Android : BOINC & Android TV (Message 103639)
Posted 21 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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And for example E@h has preferences on site to enable or disable GPU work for particular venue per particular app type...
Your BOINC for Android follows built in preferences for asking for work, it'll ignore anything you set via the project website.

The older 7.4.53 didn't even have an option to set work cache, it would ask 1 task per CPU core and only ask more when those tasks were about to be returned.
941) Message boards : Android : BOINC & Android TV (Message 103635)
Posted 21 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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And how do you make sure the GPU only gets work on modern devices, no longer on older ones that don't cool as well?
Remember that it's also default on, at this moment BOINC will always ask for work for the Mali GPU for instance. 7.4.53 already did that. It only needs a projects to add an application for the Mali GPU (all of them) and many devices out there will automatically get work and either crunch it well, crunch it badly, overheat or worse. And before we know it, complaints and possible damage claims.

There's no option to turn off the GPU either in present BOINC versions. The BOINC version uses local preferences to ask for work, it ignores what you set on the project website.
So brrr, no thanks. The moment any of the projects that now have ARM for Android applications releases a Mali GPU app, I'll withdraw my devices crunching 24/7 (I set them, put them on top of my cabinet in the living room, put a big fan next to them to blow cool air over them and forgot them).
942) Message boards : Android : BOINC & Android TV (Message 103630)
Posted 21 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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About year ago the answer on the question "is any project uses GPU under Android" was "no". Any changes from that time?....

No, and I don't foresee a quick change either, primarily because of the heat problem. A mobile device gets rid of the heat of the GPU very difficultly. I've overheated my phone more than once while using it as a navigation device in the car, especially when the sun is also shining on it.
943) Message boards : Android : BOINC & Android TV (Message 103627)
Posted 21 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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Worse even, every Android version does it differently. So this sensor reading (and by many other apps that read temperatures) works in one version of Android, maybe 2, and then it doesn't anymore.
944) Message boards : Android : BOINC & Android TV (Message 103625)
Posted 21 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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Turn battery operating temperature in Settings up to something way too high.
(there will be no operation at all unless operator takes some actions)
Which is quite normal on Android, there's no installing and forgetting, you actually have to set up BOINC on the device.
945) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 103575)
Posted 17 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sabine Schmitz, 51, German racing driver and former Top Gear host
946) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC Workshop (Message 103571)
Posted 17 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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No, leave it here. Problem with moving such a thread to News is that it's then also on the front page news and I'd rather not have that.
947) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 103564)
Posted 16 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yaphet Kotto, 81, American actor, Bond villain
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaphet_Kotto
948) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103562)
Posted 16 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
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I have a website, will swing by later.
949) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103558)
Posted 15 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well yay! Last night I felt really bad, with sneezing and a very painful cough. So this morning I called the corona test line and got a test at 4pm. Just got the results in, negative, as suspected. But really, they've upped their game that I got the results back within 8 hours. Last time I had a test it was 3 days!

So, the painful cough (still there at times) and other bad feelings, I think it's the vaccine's 'bad cells' having a fight with my immune system, a sort of corona light. No fever, but otherwise all the feelings of the flu.
950) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error code -1202 on OS/X (Message 103537)
Posted 14 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're better off asking this at the LHC ATLAS forums, since it's their application. It's very well possible you require a different set of sub-commands.

Edit, and read https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5599. It's probably not going to work at all.
951) Message boards : The Lounge : Ubuntu 20.10 (Message 103528)
Posted 14 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Image tags require that the image has an image extension, like .bmp, .jpg, .png
952) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103521)
Posted 14 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing they'll see is what I see as well and that's that I am paying too much for my energy, and getting 400-700 euros back on my annual account.
953) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103513)
Posted 13 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bitcoin just breached $60,000.- or €50.000,- and still going up.
954) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU tasks skipped after scheduler overcommits CPU cores (Message 103505)
Posted 12 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you...?
Sandman isn't looking for help (from us). He's been specifically asked by Richard to come over here and post his logs, in order to hunt for the bug(let) in this thread. Expect more posts and logs in the future, but no need to try to help him. He's in good hands.
955) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103495)
Posted 12 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before the next round of answers comes from Peter Hucker, quoting every post individually, may I ask people to please stay on topic in my thread? It's here for Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 posts, not to spell out your wants and needs of internet connections and how good and bad your ISPs are. Go post that into the Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! thread.
956) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 103409)
Posted 3 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I have another pair of brand new Zooniverse projects to introduce you to today. They are in very different fields of research from each other, but they both have one major thing in common - neither of them can get their work done without your help!



Building Detective for Disaster Preparedness

Natural hazards are an intensified global threat to the built environment and our society. UC Berkeley’s NHERI SimCenter [https://simcenter.designsafe-ci.org] is improving computational capabilities to simulate the hazards, quantify potential damages, and understand effective preparedness and mitigation strategies.

A critical aspect of this process is to have computer models that accurately represent buildings and assets in the hazard’s path. This requires collecting accurate information about buildings. In this project, deep learning algorithms are employed to analyze the physical features of buildings that can be at risk from natural hazards. With your help in providing annotations to a set of images, the project will use the annotated images to train the algorithms. The trained algorithms will be used for analyzing the risk of larger inventories of buildings in many regions, and this effort will guide pre-disaster preparedness and mitigate the impacts of natural hazards.

learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/simcenter/building-detective-for-disaster-preparedness

The Arctic Bears Project

Researchers are learning how polar, grizzly, and black bears behave in the changing Arctic environment, with special attention to how they interact with people. The images you'll see come from remote cameras set up on the fences of field camps in Wapusk National Park, on the west coast of Hudson Bay in Manitoba, Canada. Wapusk means "white bear" in the Cree language, and the park was established in 1996. At the time the park was established the area was well-known for its importance as polar bear denning habitat, and local people knew black bears lived in the forests there, but the appearance of grizzly bears in the late 1990s was a surprise. Read more about our research findings here.

There are a whole lot of people who all contribute to making this project happen: and not just the researchers. Wapusk National Park's staff in Churchill, Manitoba, got the ball rolling in 2010 and since then community members in Churchill and elsewhere have helped shape this project. Their enthusiasm for non-invasive wildlife research tools, and for the unexpected things seen on the cameras, motivates the research team. In the early days of this work the team were just excited that their cameras survived over the winter, but pretty soon they were realizing just how many photos we were collecting.

This is where you come in: Your help processing a decade's worth of pictures from a changing sub-Arctic landscape is a critical task, and the team are so grateful to have your assistance with this research. These photos are downloaded once a year from most cameras, and the days when the team finally see those images are special treats. They hope you experience the same feeling!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/douglas-clark/the-arctic-bears-project

Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
957) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103407)
Posted 3 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Going for a next try for lift off.
958) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 with Older Programs GUI Problem (Message 103406)
Posted 3 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like your issue is that you're losing focus of the program you want to look at. When I put "Windows 10 losing focus" into Google, I find several tens of posts with the same problem and no easy solution. I don't think all those people are running BOINC, but all those people are running Windows 10.
959) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103403)
Posted 3 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
LIVE: Starship SN10 Flight Test (about 6 minutes to launch) -- launch 0.1 second before lift off aborted by the rocket.
960) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 103384)
Posted 3 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://twitter.com/defis_eu/status/1351137918799241218

Official EU news:
#FlatEarth #AliensAreReal #UFO
#Disinformation permeates and threatens all sectors of our societies

The #EU #DigitalServicesAct will implement a clear, comprehensive & broad set of rules to fight the spread of online disinformation

#EUvsDisinfo #FactsMatter #TackleFakeNews
Bye bye Seti@Home.
961) Message boards : GPUs : My ATI Radeon HD 5400 R5 210 series (Cedar) Will not compute with milkyway@home, astroids@home and Moo! Wrapper, what do i do. (Message 103383)
Posted 3 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The AMD Radeon HD6370M is a renamed ATI HD5470. Blame AMD.
If you can figure out what the requirements are for the projects you want to run, you can use this cheat sheet to look for which drivers to use. Although they may not all be available anymore from AMD's site, and certainly not work with Windows 10.
962) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103381)
Posted 3 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just posted my last ticket on this and will uninstall tomorrow.
963) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 with Older Programs GUI Problem (Message 103379)
Posted 2 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm sorry, I'm confused. What does any of this have to do with BOINC?
964) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103373)
Posted 2 Mar 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Creepy, I can't make anything else out of it. Welcome to the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X_iDyI4KZ8&feature=youtu.be
965) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103319)
Posted 28 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
So... for some much needed humor. It's hard humor, but had me laughing on the floor a lot.
Read http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule at your own risk...
966) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103295)
Posted 28 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll need root access before files in the root directory become visible. I managed to copy the whole data directory at one time to another drive (on my PC) and could see the directory and contents using Total Commander, but that was on Android 6 and 7. Since 9 it's completely locked down. I'll search what the command was as I put it onto one of the mailing lists at the time, so others could use it.

Ah yes, using adb.
See https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13006315/how-to-access-data-data-folder-in-android-device

Command to use from a PC's command line, while using a data connection to the phone:
abd backup -all /data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc

This makes a backup of the whole data directory into the directory you're at with the command line.
Then you can use https://sourceforge.net/projects/adbextractor/ to read its contents. The data directory's contents are at /data/data/edu.berkeley/boinc/r/client

As said, this only works on pre-9 Android.
967) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103294)
Posted 28 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably after you endured the loss of an arm for the duration of at least 24 hours. It'll still be there, but damn painful to use. ;-)
968) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103289)
Posted 28 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I find that each time that I get the notification that BOINC is suspended, even when I am in the tasks tab and see the tasks there go from suspending to ready mode and back to running, that this means the client just crashed and started anew.
As each time I check the event log, it's just restarted with a "Starting BOINC client" message log.
969) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103288)
Posted 28 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I meant BOINC's stdoutdae and stderrdae log files, which are stored in the hidden (root) directory ./data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc/
We've asked for a copy of these logs to be available in a directory outside of root's main directory, but the developer in question thought it was nicer to make a UI and then forgot about the request all together. Or it's on the never-to-do list.
970) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103285)
Posted 28 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without access to the log files, no.
971) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103279)
Posted 27 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I found that all work from Yoyo@Home and Moo Wrapper crashed instantly on my BOINC, which probably has to do with their apps requiring 32bit Android or 32bit compatibility libs, which is an impossibility to install on Android unless you add your own OS. WuProp runs on my other devices, but is pretty useless as even after running it on an old phone and three tablets for a year in combination with the likes of Einstein, Rosetta and Universe, I still can't find any info about them in WuProp's results tables.
972) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103266)
Posted 27 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try running several project tasks through each other. The client app is probably very sturdy when it's not doing anything (aka no tasks crunch). I see an improvement in stability by only running WCG. But as soon as I run a mix of Einstein and Rosetta, it's back to crashing territory again.
973) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer reboots when running BOINC (Message 103265)
Posted 27 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I was speaking to the INTEL support person he mention a web site where you can check out processor tuning and I wrote down ARK.FREQUENCY.COM
The only Intel addresses I know that start with ARK are of this sort: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/80807/intel-core-i7-4790k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

90C is still within the margin of the i7-4790K's TjMax (maximum temperature on the die) of around 100C, but I wouldn't run it continuously at such temperatures. I assume Intel sent you another of their default fans?
I would look for external cooling if I were you. But that depends on your case. If you have a midi tower or tower, you can look for the Cooler Master Hyper EVO 212, the Corsair A500 or some other after market package.
974) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103264)
Posted 27 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Had my jab. Am still alive (checks, pinches self, yep).
Only side effect thus far is a stiff arm and shoulder.
975) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103258)
Posted 26 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Psst Rob, that's called soot and means you have to ask your neighbors to clean their chimney. 😜
976) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103256)
Posted 26 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
So I reported the bugs and that was that, no one asking for details, no one saying "Hey that sucks having a constantly crashing app, I am going to fix that!"
Heck the only comment I got from the Android developer was in the order of "your bug report is confusing". Well.

I'll run the last WCG tasks to end on my phone and uninstall this POC.
977) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager keeps attaching to a different account (Message 103242)
Posted 26 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
But we're not looking up or changing the host ID, it's changing of the account key/authenticator.
Checking https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/0dfaff4b58cfb16d85ee74446ad4cbde4d9805d1/sched/handle_request.cpp#L285

        // look up user based on the ID in host record,
        // and see if the authenticator matches (regular or weak)


https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/0dfaff4b58cfb16d85ee74446ad4cbde4d9805d1/sched/handle_request.cpp#L317
This does a "Bad authenticator" routine with removing and re-adding the project.

https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/0dfaff4b58cfb16d85ee74446ad4cbde4d9805d1/sched/handle_request.cpp#L333
Does
            // If the request's host ID isn't consistent with the authenticator,
            // create a new host record.

These are all in the case the client sends back a different authenticator.
978) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager keeps attaching to a different account (Message 103238)
Posted 26 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
From memory, it considers things like hardware configuration and IP address

AFAIK not IP address as this may change.

I'm having a hard time understanding how the server says "Nah the account key you're sending is the wrong one, here have the correct one" on a connection. The client contacts the server and tells it to look up the account based on the (weak) account key, so how, where, does that account key ever change to that of another person? Maybe you and I should test this, Richard. Send me your account_boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta.xml file and I'll incorporate it on mine, or do you want my file and you go test on yours?

Loose thoughts:
- The account key isn't stored in Windows registry. You can check this yourself at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley and HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
- I had already explained how to log in with the account key in this post, so no "trial and error" needed.
- Uninstalling BOINC merely removes the BOINC program files at the BOINC Programs install directory (default C:\Program Files\BOINC)
- Neither you nor your computer helper thought about asking any of the above here? I then wonder why not, are we not here to help, have I not sent you help? Or have you searched on the internet for answers? BOINC has been 18 years in development, surely someone would've written something down about basic things like this?
979) Message boards : Projects : bad news everyone, results of the BOINC Collatz project are invalid (Message 103234)
Posted 25 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Credits are a part of the Boinc client and server. They put them there but did it badly. There's no point in credits if a project can hand out any number it likes.
BOINC software is open source, this means that you can download it and change everything in it that you want without legal problems.That means that any credit sets can be changed by anyone who downloaded and edited the software, backend, front end, everything. Only if BOINC were to become closed proprietary software could it depict to projects how much credit they could give out for their work.
980) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103207)
Posted 25 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Next time better Gary, once I have perfected site to site transportation. :)
981) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103195)
Posted 24 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Plenty of Vitamin D
If I can get into its packaging, I'll have one Colecalciferol Benferol on top of having spent 6 hours in 20C today.
982) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 103150)
Posted 23 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I hope you're doing well. Just one new Zooniverse project for me to tell you about this week, but let me assure you it's a cracker, and the research team will be appreciative of any help you can give them:


Dark Energy Explorers

We are on the hunt for distant galaxies to measure Dark Energy for the Hobby-Eberly Telescope Dark Energy Experiment (HETDEX). In our local universe, Dark Energy is the mysterious term astronomers use to explain why galaxies expand away from each other at an increasing rate. We are searching for this by using distant galaxies to create the largest three dimensional map of the universe ever produced. The map will allow HETDEX astronomers to measure how fast the universe was expanding at different times in its history.

Various explanations for dark energy predict different changes in the expansion rate, so by providing exact measurements of the expansion, the HETDEX map will eliminate some of the competing ideas. We need your help to identify the signals that are from distant galaxies. These galaxies are 10 billion light years away and we expect to discover millions of them, so check out Dark Energy Explorers to get started discovering!

Lean more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/erinmc/dark-energy-explorers.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
983) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103141)
Posted 23 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll do that.
On the other hand, I'll let my ex know to post here if things go south. ;-)
984) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103139)
Posted 23 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have my appointment this Saturday to be injected with the Gates nanochips and can't wait. :)
985) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103120)
Posted 22 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
YouTube's AI blocks channel after allegedly mistaking discussions about CHESS pieces being 'black' and 'white' for racist slurs

Source
986) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103111)
Posted 21 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Closed #4208
Opened #4218, #4219, #4220, #4221, #4222, #4223
987) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 103110)
Posted 20 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
What would you call Planet 9?
988) Message boards : GPUs : How to increase GPU performance? (Message 103107)
Posted 20 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
64bit Double Precision processors
You do know these don't exist?
Single precision and double precision are forms of floating point operations within the CPU/GPU, where the format for 32-bit numbers is called single precision, and the format for 64-bit numbers is called double precision. Floating point is used to represent fractional values, or when a wider range is needed than is provided by fixed point (of the same bit width), even if at the cost of precision. Double precision may be chosen when the range or precision of single precision would be insufficient. (Source)

Furthermore, brush up on your knowledge on what shaders do. They are used for calculating graphics vectors, not GPGPU work.
989) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103099)
Posted 19 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
This isn't a very good version to have on a phone that is actively used, but also when it's being charged.
I have constant BOINC app crashes & restarts. And once every so often that I put the phone on a charger, BOINC starts resuming, crashes and then never restarts.
Or that I put the phone on a charger, BOINC resumes, then suspends again because I open something, and stays there until I unplug & replug. I do not recommend using this version.
990) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103098)
Posted 19 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, noticed that. I'm still up lots more on bugs and tests than you are. ;)
991) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC interface freeze (Message 103096)
Posted 19 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
AMD3600
32G memory
GTX1060 3G

..snip..

But in my SDD, I can't even add any project or project manager

Sounds to me like a (setup ) problem with your SSD.

Have you?
- Tried to reset the BIOS to factory defaults and set it up again correctly?
- Checked to see if there is a new BIOS for the motherboard and updated to that?
- Checked for and installed (updated) motherboard drivers?
- Tried the SSD in another slot?

If you want help on this, I'll need:
- your motherboard brand and model.
- your BIOS version.
- brand and model of the SSD.
- whether it's a SATA, U.2, M.2, NVMe or newer format SSD?
- if you have multiple slots on the motherboard, which one this is connected to?

My BOINC runs fine from the Samsung 970 EVO Plus that I have slotted in the Asrock turbo speed NVMe slot on my Asrock motherboard.
992) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103095)
Posted 19 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, I closed a couple and made some new.

Thus far still open from previous:
#4185, #4187, #4189, #4190, #4192, #4194, #4196, #4197.

New ones:
#4203, #4205 and #4208.

So far I am the only one testing this thing.
993) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installer keeps changing my screensaver settings (Message 103078)
Posted 18 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Third screen in the installer, click Advanced.


Next screen uncheck Use BOINC Screensaver and click Next.


(Images are used to point out where it is, don't check Service Install just because the last image says that)

The above option sets the ENABLESCREENSAVER key in the registry at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup, with 0 for disabled, 1 for enabled. The BOINC screensaver software part will be installed no matter what choice you set in the installer, so BOINC is always an option in the Windows Screen Saver drop down menu.
994) Message boards : GPUs : How to increase GPU performance? (Message 103076)
Posted 18 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.techspot.com/news/88661-you-can-have-passively-cooled-geforce-rtx-3080.html
995) Message boards : Promotion : Is it ok if I put the BOINC logo on my car? (Message 103059)
Posted 18 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to be sure, I forwarded your question to David Anderson.
996) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103053)
Posted 18 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not if I have to copy all those by hand. It would be useful to have that list in git, and I am about sure there is an option for that in the GUI, I will just have to find it. The last time I used git was... oh, uhm, March last year? When I put the new BOINC directory in place on my new system. Haven't touched it since.
997) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103051)
Posted 18 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
David doesn't do change logs. The latest change logs posted in the client forum were done by me when I still knew which command to use to get that out of the branch information. I'll check over the coming days if I can figure out how I did that again, but if someone else knows how and has it ready, they can PM the list and I will put it up.
998) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103048)
Posted 18 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those in need of a good laugh: First Person Shooter Logic. I just spent two and a half hours in such situations, I can relate. Really.
999) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103044)
Posted 17 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Says can't connect when I try and use my phone for Asteroids.
Yeah, it does that for mine as well, yet two of my other devices running the older version did get new work. I may detach one and try to add it again, see if it's a server thing.
1000) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103041)
Posted 17 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
One down, still 11 to go.

#4188 was closed as well, but then I already put it on wontfix when I reported it. Assuming it was an Android thing.
1001) Message boards : Questions and problems : Keeping BOINC running overnight: (Message 103036)
Posted 17 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have to hit escape and sign in
That means that your Windows went to sleep or hibernate after all. And the only way to run work then is to install BOINC as a service, but then it will run on CPU only as the GPU won't be available when it's a service as the videocard drivers run in another account than the one BOINC runs with.

I've set Win 10 to not sleep
Here's the crux, there's a separate option in the Power options that will put your computer to sleep or hibernate even though you set the computer to never go to sleep. Some of this depends on the version of Windows 10 you have as well as they sure like to move menu items around a lot, or disable them all together.

In Windows type Power in search, choose the Power & Sleep Settings.
Click Additional power settings on the right.
On the Customize a power plan window click Change plan settings next to the option you have selected.
In the Advanced Settings window that opens click on Sleep, then on Hibernate and set it to Never.

If you see different options, follow this guide.
Windows 10 will by default always go to sleep mode when you try to shut it down. By disabling sleep, Windows will finally shut down when you choose that option.
1002) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager keeps attaching to a different account (Message 103034)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhile when I logout and login to the project page via my current account key, I get my usual project account page.
But I suggested you use the other account key to log in and see who that account belongs to. If that's also you, it may be something at the project that's doing this on purpose.

In the mean time, I've sent you a PM.
1003) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103031)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
#4195 is fixed. David thanks you Richard. :-)
1004) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103030)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our curfew has been reinstated until the outcome of the appeal case this Friday. Back inside all. It's raining anyway.
1005) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 103028)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Some good news from the Zooniverse this week - The Etchiverse is expanding!

This week we’re really excited to launch two brand new Etch A Cell projects to study cell biology, ‘Etch A Cell – Fat Checker’ and ‘Etch A Cell – ER’.


Etch A Cell – Fat Checker

The balance between health and disease depends on activities carried out by cells of the body. This new project is part of the Etch A Cell suite of activities to examine cell structure. Etch A Cell - Fat Checker is focused on studying fats and lipids inside cells. We particularly want to study the number, size and location of lipid droplets in cells, as this will help us understand how different subcellular components interact and work together to use stored fat to power metabolism.

To do this, we need you to help us by looking for and outlining lipid droplets in images taken by a very powerful electron microscope. The data you provide will be used to study the 3-dimensional architecture of lipid droplets in cells. This information will help biologists to understand the complex roles that lipids play in health and disease.

Learn more, and get involved at

https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/dwright04/etch-a-cell-fat-checker


Etch A Cell – ER

Cell division is essential for life, growth and development. When cell division goes wrong, it can lead to the development of diseases.

In Etch A Cell - ER we need your help to study how the Endoplasmic Reticulum (ER) of a cell changes during cell division. The ER is often one of the biggest structures in a cell and is involved in lots of important cellular processes including the production and transport of new proteins.

Your effort will help improve our understanding of biology and study disease!

Learn more, and get involved at:

https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/h-spiers/etch-a-cell-er


Thanks for all your help,

Helen and the Etch A Cell Team
1006) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103027)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
11? :p nah, #4197 makes 12.

I only found that out because for everything else I did on my phone I would get a BOINC start notification.
1007) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103024)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
#4196.

It's enough, I quit for today.
1008) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103023)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
#4195 :P
1009) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103021)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
So far I found 9 bugs.
#4185, #4187, #4188, #4189, #4190, #4191, #4192, #4193, #4194.
1010) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103020)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also at https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56084466
1011) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103019)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's too bad for outstanding Asteroids work, but let's first see if that project makes it back with its database intact.
Luckily the Androids project came back to receive all those waiting tasks. :)
1012) Message boards : News : New BOINC Android client released (Message 103018)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's too bad for outstanding Asteroids work, but let's first see if that project makes it back with its database intact.
Luckily the Androids project came back to receive all those waiting tasks. :)
1013) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 103013)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Will our freedom be saved?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-curfew/court-orders-dutch-government-to-scrap-coronavirus-curfew-idUSKBN2AG11C

Of course our Gov has immediately demanded in an urgent appeal that the above is cancelled and our curfew must continue, Sieg He... errr.
1014) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager keeps attaching to a different account (Message 103012)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Three things to try, while you wait for an answer from the project admin:

- change your account password, just in case someone hacked into your account.
- use the weak account key and see what that changes into.
- log into the account with the new authenticator to see who that account belongs to. To log into that account, log out on the project page, log back in but instead of using the password for your account fill in the authenticator in the password field. See where it brings you.
1015) Message boards : News : New BOINC Android client released (Message 103010)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Remember: to update the client on Android it's best you set No New Tasks on all your projects and run the cache dry first, upload & report everything. Only then update the client, as the uninstall process on Android will delete the whole client and everything in the data directory. You will have to add the projects again afterwards.

It's too bad for outstanding Asteroids work, but let's first see if that project makes it back with its database intact.
1016) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103009)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Remember: to update the client on Android it's best you set No New Tasks on all your projects and run the cache dry first, upload & report everything. Only then update the client, as the uninstall process on Android will delete the whole client and everything in the data directory. You will have to add the projects again afterwards.

It's too bad for outstanding Asteroids work, but let's first see if that project makes it back with its database intact.
1017) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android client 7.16.16 released (Message 103008)
Posted 16 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
Version 7.16.16 of the BOINC Android client has been released. This is the first new Android version in over 4 years, and is a major rewrite of the GUI. Thanks for Vitalii Koshura, Tal Regev, and Isira Seneviratne for their work on this.

The new version is available from the BOINC web site and (for Amazon Fire tablets) from the Amazon app store. It's not on the Google play store because of new restrictions imposed by Google; hopefully this will be resolved in a future version.
1018) Message boards : GPUs : How to increase GPU performance? (Message 102996)
Posted 15 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Temperature is not a reliable indicator; ever seen the results from an incorrectly mounted or poorly functioning cooler?
Nothing said about GPUs that are passively cooled but that may have a case fan blow over them to cool them that way.
1019) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 102983)
Posted 13 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Please help us test a new Zooniverse project - HMS NHS: The Nautical Health Service

What the researchers say:
"HMS NHS: The Nautical Health Service, refers to the records of the Dreadnought Seamen’s Hospital at Greenwich. This was the main clinical site of the Seamen’s Hospital Society (now Seafarer’s Hospital Society), founded with the philanthropic mission of providing relief to sick and injured seafarers of all nations. Throughout the period 1821-1870 it was a floating hospital, based in three successive converted warships, the first named Grampus and later HMS Dreadnought, a veteran of the battle of Trafalgar. It then moved on land and until 1986 occupied the buildings which are now a student hub for the University of Greenwich.

The Admissions Registers we are transcribing include details such as a seafarer's name, age and place of birth, rank, employer and last vessel served on. Medical information includes dates of admission and discharge, medical condition and fate. The patients were seafarers from all over the globe, reflecting the international traffic of the port of London. Casualties from local emergencies, among them women and children, were also admitted, as were naval personnel during wartime.

Traditionally used by family history researchers to trace individual maritime ancestors, the records also have great potential for research, including the history of medicine and diseases, the evolution of treatment of common illnesses and injuries within the maritime workforce, which illnesses were most prevalent in seaman returning from specific parts of the world and an almost unlimited number of case studies for examining the effects of advances in medical knowledge, treatment and recovery times. The records also offer additional perspectives on diverse subjects, such as the history of black and Asian communities within the maritime world. Viewed quantitatively, they show the variety and prevalence of disease, injuries and common ailments in the merchant navy for over a hundred years."

How to help out:
Try it out now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/msalmon/hms-nhs-the-nautical-health-service and give us your feedback via this form https://forms.gle/UohJCxSzgywyqjCY8 (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).

Your feedback is extremely important to us when deciding whether to approve or reject a project. To date you have helped launch over 300 Zooniverse projects!

Thanks for all your help!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1020) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102982)
Posted 13 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Big movers needed?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/england-s-stonehenge-was-erected-wales-first
1021) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC unable to access internet from Windows 10 (Message 102901)
Posted 9 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're talking about "SBC systems", is that anything to do with a software or other company? Because if that's so, and these run in the company, it's the company firewall that blocks these communications and you'll have to take it up with IT to get past that. After you asked your boss if it's all right to run BOINC on these computers.
1022) Message boards : Projects : How to assign profile to project on a specific machine (Message 102885)
Posted 8 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am sure Richard or Jord among others could say why it is -1 rather than 0 which to my mind would make more sense.

Because 0 is set when you set No New Tasks, or don't choose to run that application's tasks, or some other reason. It's the value set in the database. By setting it to -1 the server knows this is an outlier and to ignore the host when it asks for work. The user, seeing -1 should find this such a weird number that he approaches helpers on forums. Who will then tell him his errant ways.
1023) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102838)
Posted 7 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: We have S N O W !!!
Around 3 inches fell between the ice rain last night and this morning. Nice fun weather.
Had my drive already. Made a walk. Have photographs. Yeps.
1024) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102822)
Posted 6 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, random hugging, I like that. Where can I sign up?
1025) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102820)
Posted 6 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone ready for Snowmageddon?
It's okay to have a snowball fight, but only with people from your own household. Because apparently corona can travel on or in snowballs or something.
Not that we can go out tonight to have a snowball fight, as it's still curfew. Which will probably also be extended to well into March even though it only affects 2% of the population.
But hey, with over 20,000 fines (of 95 euros a piece) in just two weeks, it's a very lucrative thing, that curfew.
1026) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102817)
Posted 5 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Christopher Plummer, 91, Canadian actor
1027) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102814)
Posted 5 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not one for the These are no longer with us thread yet, but any day he will be:
Golden Earring-gitarist George Kooymans suffers from ALS, commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease and has stopped making music immediately.
1028) Message boards : Questions and problems : What do the different temperatures mean? (Message 102781)
Posted 1 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for further explanation of my simplistic and well known answer.
Well known by whom?
Simplistic yes, I can post a whole long post with all kinds of abbreviations and acronyms and leave it to the reader to go look them up. Is what you did here. Tell us we're wrong, but not tell us what that key ccd in Tccd stands for. Even mention ccd. Are you working with it every day that you can't figure that there may be people on this earth who don't have a clue what you're talking about?
1029) Message boards : Questions and problems : What do the different temperatures mean? (Message 102777)
Posted 1 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord and Dave, that is incorrect with respect to Tccd1.
Yes, go say it's incorrect but then don't explain what CCD stands for either.

So I did another search, this time for "CPU CCD dies" and found it stands for Core complex die. (CCD is the physical die that contains the CPU cores, up to 8 of them. Desktop Zen2 processors have 1 or 2 CCDs, Threadripper and EPYC have up to 8.
1030) Message boards : Questions and problems : What do the different temperatures mean? (Message 102772)
Posted 1 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not off the top of my head, but via good searches on the internet. ;-)
I skipped Temp1 as it looks to be a temporary name. But you ought to be able to check that if you click on it, if you run the GUI. See https://wpitchoune.net/psensor/faq.html#S_WhatIsTheSensor (not all links off that page work anymore)
1031) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 102770)
Posted 1 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
All authority has been given to the top army commander and a one-year state of emergency has been declared, a statement on military TV said.
As if the military has ever given all authority out of their hands in the past years of 'democracy'. If you believe that, then North Korea is also a democratic state, sure.
1032) Message boards : Questions and problems : What do the different temperatures mean? (Message 102768)
Posted 1 Feb 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tdie is the actual temperature of the dies.
Tctl is the temperature with offsets.
Composite looks to be SSD temperatures, more specifically NVMe drives.
Tccd1 is temperature of first charge-coupled device. (A charge-coupled device is an integrated circuit containing an array of linked, or coupled, capacitors. Under the control of an external circuit, each capacitor can transfer its electric charge to a neighboring capacitor.)
1033) Message boards : BOINC client : Stuck on "BOINC screensaver loading" (Message 102741)
Posted 29 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, then they changed that. They always did. On the normal tasks that is, I can't tell if their Arecibo tasks did. It's been years since I ran Einstein.
Then again it's been years since I ran BOINC on anything else than Android.
1034) Message boards : BOINC client : Stuck on "BOINC screensaver loading" (Message 102739)
Posted 29 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have never run Einstein tasks so have no clue about how likely this is.
Both their CPU and GPU tasks have a graphics app thus screen saver. They're the only project that I know of that has a graphics app for their GPU app(s). Or did at least some years back.
1035) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 102737)
Posted 29 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I have three Zooniverse announcements for you this week. The first two are about brand new projects you might be interested in that really could use your help as they get off to a start, and the third is about an existing Zooniverse project specifically looking for your help this week to record and remember those who were victims of the Holocaust:


Addressing Health

Help discover the extent of poor health among British postal workers in the 1800s. Join the project and transcribe the causes and rates of sickness absence and retirement for the UK’s Post Office employees.

By transcribing this unique set of records, we can learn about the effects of working and living environments on the health of tens of thousands of workers. We’ll find out how sickness rates changed over time and varied between different types of places. This will be a major advance as information about ill health for the Victorian and Edwardian period has, until now, mainly relied on causes of death.

Addressing Health is a Wellcome-funded collaboration between King’s College London, Kingston University, University of Derby and University College London, with The Postal Museum.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/dhlbrown/addressing-health.


FrogSong

FrogSong is an audio based project that involves listening to audio and classifying frog calls. Advances in acoustic recorder technology are allowing researchers to collect more environmental audio than ever before. However, extracting useful information from these recordings is still a challenge. By identifying frog calls in short audio clips you will help us develop automated techniques at detecting species calls from recordings.

If we can identify frog species in long recordings we will be able to improve our understanding frog calling patterns and behaviours. By monitoring frog calling patterns in long-term recordings we hope to understand: the environmental drivers of frog chorusing and other group behaviours, how frog calls and other noise sources interact to structure frog communities, as well as monitor how frog communities change through time in response to environmental stressors.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/sladeaa/frogsong.


Every Name Counts

On January 27 (Holocaust Remembrance Day) the Arolsen Archives would like to commemorate the victims of Nazism by actively engaging with the past. 600,000 documents from different concentration camps are available in the Zooniverse project Every Name Counts, waiting to be indexed. Everyone can participate, no experience needed, and even with a few minutes to spare you can get started. On your own, with your family or even in an online meeting with your friends and colleagues. Please join the efforts to make these documents available to the world and build a digital memorial for the Nazi victims.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/arolsen-archives/every-name-counts.

Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1036) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installation fails (Message 102731)
Posted 28 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Setnamedsecurityinfo Access Is Denied error may be caused by Windows system files damage.

Best first open a command line window run as Administrator. (Point to the lower-right corner of the screen, and then select Search. Type Command Prompt in the Search box, right-select Command Prompt, and then select Run as administrator.)
Then type
sfc /scannow
and press Enter

Let it run to the end.
After this do:
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
and press Enter. (Not sure if it's requiring the capitals, but just to be sure type as it shows)

Afterwards reboot and try the installation again.
1037) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installation fails (Message 102716)
Posted 26 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I tried to install 7.16.7
Why that version?
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php sports 7.16.11, so use that one first.
1038) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102706)
Posted 25 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhile in The Netherlands. I think we're at war.
1039) Message boards : BOINC client : Request: Set Vbox to low piority (Message 102701)
Posted 25 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without their support, it's not easy to see how that would be possible now.
Run BOINC inside the VM in VBox and the science applications should return to lower priority. ;-)
1040) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 102697)
Posted 25 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mailing list? Where??
If the message board is inefficient, i think also mailing list is not so good.

https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/forum/?pli=1#!forum/boinc_projects
That gets directly into the inbox of the developers and those project admins that have signed up to that list.

These forums are for volunteers to help people with problems, the developers of BOINC have moved on to Github
1041) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 102689)
Posted 25 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Closed projects remain for years in the list, new projects take a lot of time to enter in the list.

If the closed projects don't tell that they have closed (there is a projects email list they can email that to), nor the new projects say that they are new and in production, it's no wonder the developers don't know about these things. New projects that are still in alpha/beta stage will generally not be added to the projects list.

If i'm not wrong it's an xml file that is released with every new version of client.
No, the all_projects_list.xml file can be updated between BOINC releases, the client checks for an update and gets it in automatically on a regular basis. As long as people have updated the client to a version that does this, then.
1042) Message boards : BOINC client : Stuck on "BOINC screensaver loading" (Message 102682)
Posted 24 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it should only show the screen savers of those tasks that have a graphics app. Which in his case is only Einstein@Home, whose screen saver has the neat trick that it also works on GPU tasks.

I'm thinking more in the direction of Windows 10 having updated a driver and that has lost OpenGL support. Not sure if the WHQL driver from Windows Update has OpenGL on board, but it is required for the project screen savers. The BOINC screen saver will default back to DirectX if OpenGL is not found, but the project graphics applications are built against OpenGL 1.0, so they require OpenGL in the graphics drivers to work.
1043) Message boards : Android : BOINC for Android release news (Message 102675)
Posted 23 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Vitalii Koshura wrote:
Due to the new requirements on Play Store, BOINC will not be released there for a while.
Newer releases will be published in the official web-site (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php)
Possibly there will be releases on F-Droid but there is not exact info about it yet.
1044) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102664)
Posted 23 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Larry King, 87, American talk show host and celebrity.
1045) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102647)
Posted 21 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Laugh fest. Ghost Recon Breakpoint has gotten a new title update with neigh on no fixes - or nothing we reported anyway, aside from removing an extra E in the name of a vehicle - but with new content so we can play together with Rainbow 6. Ooooh... Yes, it's as bad as it sounds. Worse even. Don't believe what you read on Reddit. And don't buy this game. Or anything from Ubisoft ever again.
1046) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102643)
Posted 21 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jean Graton, 97, French comic book author and cartoonist (Michel Vaillant)
1047) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102640)
Posted 21 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're getting our curfew. From Saturday onwards until the 9th of February we're not allowed outside on the street between 21:00 and 04:30 hours, unless it's for work, when you go to the hospital, you're one of the people who's checking that everyone else stays inside, or you're walking the dog. It's only for two weeks.... but maybe longer. They said that when the cafe's and restaurants had to close three months ago. So we'll have a curfew until Christmas 2022. Probably. Don't come here. Well, you can't anyway, because passenger travel from the UK is forbidden and we're all only allowed to have 1 visitor per day.
1048) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 102633)
Posted 20 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

If yesterday's new project wasn't what you're into, then I have some excellent news for you - we launched another brand new project today!


Sedimental Values: Digging In to La Brea’s Past

This new project from the La Brea Tar Pits and the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County asks you to help transcribe and organize field note measurements from more than 40 years of excavations in Pit 91, one of the richest fossil deposits at La Brea Tar Pits.

Your contributions to Sedimental Values will allow the Museum to plan for preparation and curation of a collection numbering in the tens of thousands or maybe more! It will allow our curators, students and visiting paleontologists to ask research questions about Paleoecology and target their efforts on particular samples or specimens.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/jmschell/sedimental-values-digging-in-to-la-breas-past.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1049) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102627)
Posted 20 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
it doesn't? Then how does it know that it cannot infect a person 0-12 years old, but can infect them the moment they turn 13?
1050) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102625)
Posted 20 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're getting our curfew. Most of the population is against. Most political parties are against. But our demissionary cabinet pushes it through anyway. It'll start Friday or Saturday or Sunday (here, they can't even give a definitive start day) until at least the 9th of February, and will last from 8:30pm to 04:30am. It's to stop the English variant of the virus, which thus far hasn't been stopped yet by any of the earlier measures. And by the 9th of February there will be 14 other variants so they can force the curfew onto us for the rest of the year.

Passenger travel from South-Africa, South America and the United Kingdom is no longer allowed. You can land in Belgium or Germany and then travel here by train or car, no problem as the rest of our borders are open to everyone.
1051) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 102620)
Posted 19 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Happy Tuesday! If you were just thinking about how you really want to hear about a new project that you can get involved in, I have some fantastic and timely news for you...


Rebuild Maastricht

We are happy to announce the launch of Rebuild Maastricht!

This project asks volunteers to digitally rebuild the city of Maastricht (The Netherlands) as it was in 1752. During the 18th century, French forces besieged and captured the city. The French soldiers were then tasked with carefully recording all buildings in the city, as to create a detailed physical scale-model that could be used for planning military strategy. This physical model remains today, but to make it more accessible, we plan to make a digital model.

The images of the buildings we ask volunteers to classify come from a 3D model of the city which was created by many pictures of the physical scale model from different perspectives, and then stitching these together (photogrammetry). However, by using this technique, many details from the buildings have become unclear, and the model itself is too ‘heavy’ to run on most computers. Therefore, we want to make a new digital model that can be handled more easily, and that can be used by historians and the public to better understand the history of Maastricht. This requires us to record all the features of each separate building, much like the French soldiers did in the 18th century.

This is a task that our small project team of Dutch archaeologists, historians and 3D researchers cannot complete alone. Your contribution to this project will help our team to complete the new model and ultimately to discover and share fascinating stories about the city of Maastricht and its inhabitants in the 18th century.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/tijdlab/rebuild-maastricht.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1052) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102619)
Posted 19 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Either of them is an upstage to the neck band in Wedlock... With explosives. 😈

Meanwhile here it'll be decided if we're going for social exclusion (a total ban on having visitors) or a curfew from 8pm till 4am from Thursday until the end of days.
1053) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 102615)
Posted 18 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Blue Monday. It's back though.
1054) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102612)
Posted 18 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Asrock tells me further that because they have limited space in the BIOS, but need to be able to store all the old and all the new CPUs, they've divided the BIOS into two parts of 128Mb (16MB) for a total of 256Mb (32MB), essentially putting two BIOS versions on one chip. During boot up a scan of the BIOS shows the board which of the two BIOSes it needs. And due to that space restraint they've dropped certain start up options (F6 instant flash, F11 boot options).

It doesn't explain the resolution switch. As I told the person I am in contact with, it's almost as if the secondary PCIe slot I put the card in goes from x16 to x1 with a maximum throughput of 4K, hence why one monitor still does 2560x1440 and the other is hampered by the 1680x1050. No answer on that.
1055) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't get boinc-client to start computing (Message 102599)
Posted 16 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
- also looked in /var/lib/boinc-clinet
If you looked there as you have typed that, then that directory doesn't exist. try /var/lib/boinc-client
1056) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102587)
Posted 15 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
You need that for here as well, but it's hardly being enforced at customs on Schiphol. The requirement for quarantine is also not checked up on. So you can just get through customs, of course after leaving your ham sandwiches, without further ado. Have fun infecting everyone here.

Gotta wonder, is it still quarantine if it's only 10 days? Isn't that diecitine? (The word quarantine comes from quarantena, meaning "forty days", used in 14th–15th-century Venetian. It followed the trentino, or thirty-day isolation period, first imposed in 1347 in the Republic of Ragusa, Dalmatia)
1057) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102585)
Posted 15 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Flashed back to the 4.20 BIOS after Asrock told me the BIOS update is only necessary when you intend to run a Series 5000 CPU and not before, so just flash it before switching CPUs.
Flashing back to 4.20 fixed the resolution problem. So something between that BIOS and the Series 3000 CPU. That BIOS also never showed the extra startup options, such as F11 for boot options and F6 for flash options. Only F2/Del for BIOS options.
1058) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102571)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Siegfried Fischbacher, 81, German-American magician and entertainer, last remaining of Siegfried & Roy.
1059) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any way to manually change the deadline of a task? (Message 102570)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think that's the version number that the scheduler reports, not the server version number. The scheduler of version 1.0.4 hasn't had many changes in the past 2-12 years. See https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/tree/server_release/1.0/1.0.4/sched
1060) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any way to manually change the deadline of a task? (Message 102567)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think they mapped out the whole Milkyway yet.
Edit: and their server version looks pretty much bog standard: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/tree/server_release/1.0/1.0.4
1061) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any way to manually change the deadline of a task? (Message 102564)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Milkyway@Home maybe?
1062) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't get boinc-client to start computing (Message 102560)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do the projects have science applications for (your version of) Linux?
Do they require something extra, VirtualBox maybe?
Do they have work (for the chosen applications)?
1063) Message boards : Questions and problems : Web Forum: Can't reply on threads, no button available. But I can create a new thread. Why? (Message 102558)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mainly to anticipate spammers who like to necromance old threads to piggy-back onto, but also to stop users for adding their stuff onto older threads. We have a 90 day auto-lock feature. Is a thread not posted to in 90 days, it's automatically locked. And we'd rather you post your own problem in your own words, than we'd have to wade through potentially hundreds of posts from 2005 to get to yours in a thread, only because you wanted to pull up an ancient thread to add to.

Some of these threads have been locked by a moderator because they went so far off topic that the end was a flaming paradise.
1064) Message boards : Questions and problems : Web Forum: Can't reply on threads, no button available. But I can create a new thread. Why? (Message 102556)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
That thread is locked. Only moderators can answer to that thread.

When looking in the index and the thread is preceded by this image, it means it's locked.
1065) Message boards : Questions and problems : Web Forum: Can't reply on threads, no button available. But I can create a new thread. Why? (Message 102554)
Posted 14 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got an example of a thread you can't answer to?
Are you using any script blockers in your browser?
1066) Message boards : BOINC client : Offer.apk file on BOINC client download page (Message 102548)
Posted 13 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
All downloads are available via https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D
1067) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102538)
Posted 13 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just went through their customer support form. Phone number isn't mandatory (no bullet after it), but upon submission of form it is. Serial number is mandatory, but then it isn't. Weird site.
But at least this worked. Was first trying to register to their forums, but after filling in information 10 times it still claimed my wanted password was wrong and the recaptcha I filled in wasn't right. Well, go S yourself then. Let's see if their customer support has any answers.
1068) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 102532)
Posted 12 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Why not switch off from the rest of the world for a while and immerse yourself in a Zooniverse project, where you can actively help people and further educate yourself at the same time? If that sounds good to you, then I have some fantastic news! We have just launched two brand new projects that would really benefit from your time and attention:



UK Tides

This new project asks volunteers to help digitise sea level measurements from historical handwritten ledgers. The data will be used to study climate change and sea level rise and will be included in the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL) dataset, which is used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The ledgers were written in the 19th Century using values read from charts. These charts were produced by tide gauges, which automatically recorded the state of the tide. We have over 200 ledgers in our archives at the National Oceanography Centre and we want to improve access to and encourage reuse of the data. The project focuses on two sites near Liverpool in the North West of England: Hilbre Island and George's Dock - two of the longest records we have.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/psmsl/uk-tides



Phish Finders

Phishing is a kind of online attack where bad actors use misleading online materials, like bait in actual fishing, to attempt to steal personal information or get users to download malware onto their computers. Despite preventative technologies, like spam filters and firewalls, approximately 14.25 billion phishing emails make it into user inboxes each year causing around 70 million people to be victimized globally.

Preventative technology alone can’t solve the problem. Phishing is ultimately a human-centric problem that requires users to make choices about what they trust. Enter Phish Finders. Phish Finders asks citizen scientists to identify indicators of phishing in email and website images.

This information is needed to inform research and training techniques that help people better learn to identify and avoid phishing. Your participation helps us better understand what types of signals of phishing are easiest and hardest to identify and how phishing signal detection changes with practice.

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/holliekrosser/phish-finders


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1069) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102531)
Posted 12 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Updated the UEFI on my Asrock X470 Taichi and now - in the future - I can add a series 5000 CPU if I want to.
So after that had to set up my BIOS again, CPU and RAM target speeds met, fan speeds at low. And then I thought, let's disable the Wifi and Bluetooth on the motherboard.

Well no, wrong decision. As when I then boot into Windows, my main AOC monitor won't go higher than 1680x1050, instead of its normal 3840x2160
I can't follow it. Turn WAS and BT back on, monitor comes up as 3840x2160; turn them off, monitor is 1680x1050; turn either of them on and other off, monitor is 1680x1050
Go explain that to me.
1070) Message boards : Questions and problems : invalid rpc client password in windows 10 (Message 102524)
Posted 11 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
But since the amount of extra data caused by the rr_sim and rr_sim_detail flags can overwhelm the timing of the rpc depending on the number of tasks being measured (max 1000 lines per second), these two flags are a prime suspect. Always only run them for one cycle then disable them. Only run one at a time.
1071) Message boards : Questions and problems : invalid rpc client password in windows 10 (Message 102520)
Posted 11 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why do you have rr_sim and rr_sim_detail debug flags on? Try turning those off first.

If you can't do it via the BOINC Manager Event Log Options menu item, then manually edit the cc_config.xml file with Notepad and change the corresponding rr_sim options from 1 to 0, then save.

Exit and restart BOINC.
1072) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 102509)
Posted 10 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Happy New Year from the Zooniverse Team! We wish you all the best in 2021, and we hope that you are willing to join us again this year. Speaking of which, allow us to introduce to you two brand new projects that could really benefit from your help:


Citizen ASAS-SN

Citizen ASAS-SN is a project that focuses on the classification of variable stars using light curves obtained by the All-Sky Automated Survey for SuperNovae (ASAS-SN). ASAS-SN is a global network of robotic telescopes that has monitored the entire visible sky every night since 2014. We want your help to classify thousands of potential variable star candidates (out of over 100 million stars) in our data. We will use your classifications to identify both classical and unusual variable stars, which we hope can lead us to new astrophysical insights. The study of variable stars has a rich history, and we want you to join us in our efforts to contribute to this field!

Learn more, and get involved at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/tharinduj/citizen-asas-sn.


Old Weather - WW2

There is a new Old Weather project now available on the Zooniverse. The aim of this project is to recover hidden marine weather data recorded in U.S. Navy ships’ logbooks during World War II, and we need your help. Like all Old Weather projects, these data will be used to drive sophisticated computer models that help us understand and reconstruct weather and climate in extraordinary detail. But there is another goal that is just as vital – to uncover the source of a mysterious distortion in sea-surface temperature data collected during the war. This distortion, known as the World War II Warm Anomaly, is large enough to affect the long-term global mean sea-surface temperature record, and hence our understanding of how the Earth’s climate has changed over time.

Because of the work we’ve been doing with the U.S. National Archives over the past eight years or so we are in a unique position to help investigate this question – we have digital images of many of the original U.S. Navy logbooks, a resource unavailable to earlier investigators. The small sample of logbooks we are transcribing in this project were selected because they are representative of different ship types deployed by the U.S. Navy, from destroyers and cruisers to cargo ships. More importantly, they were at times in the same place, occasionally even moored alongside each other in port. All but two survived the entire war, 1941-1945. Twelve were based at Pearl Harbor in 1941, eighteen were in the Aleutian Islands in 1942-1943, and ten were caught in Typhoon Cobra in December 1944. This opens up many opportunities to investigate sources of bias in the data, from factors associated with different ship types, the weather instruments in use at different times, or changes in methods required by wartime operations (such as blackout for example). It will also be possible to investigate how tropical and sub-polar environments may have influenced the data in different ways.

At the end of this project we should be able to verify whether or not the warm anomaly during the 1940s is real or an artefact, and, if it’s the latter, describe what factors explain the bias in the data. If the bias hypothesis turns out to be true, the corrected ocean temperature record would appear to evolve upward more smoothly through the 20th century.

The project is led by an international team of scientists from the University of Washington (CICOES), University of Colorado (CIRES), NOAA, the UK Met Office, and the University of Reading. For more information see our blog post and join the project at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/krwood/old-weather-ww2 to lend a hand.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1073) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102491)
Posted 9 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Michael Apted. 79, British director (Gorillas in the Mist and Coal Miner’s Daughter, Extreme Measures, Gorky Park, The World is not Enough, as well as his long-running series of Up documentaries)
1074) Message boards : Questions and problems : Only 1 out of 2 GPUs working (Message 102483)
Posted 8 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
yes, it sees 2 gpus

It's not what Richard asked and your log doesn't show what was asked, but maybe your log got deprecated before it was shown.
Is there mention of this in the log?

08/01/2021 18:04:42 |  | Config: use all coprocessors
Because if there isn't... your <use_all_gpus> option isn't used in cc_config.xml
1075) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102464)
Posted 7 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Would they notice between all the other super-spread events?
1076) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102460)
Posted 6 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Besides this is NOT THE PLACE TO DISCUSS POLITICS PER FORUM RULES.

a) informal forum rules.
b) if it happened in Russia everyone would be talking about it.
c) is it politics when Americans take over the Capitol?
1077) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 102458)
Posted 6 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN wrote:
Hi All,

The climateprediction.net project will be going offline tomorrow (Thursday 7th January) at 11:45am (UK time). This is in order for Engineering IT Support to do some work on networking in the building. The current estimate we have from Engineering IT Support is that the work should be completed within the afternoon. We will keep you updated on the progress of this work.

Best regards,

Andy Bowery
1078) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102457)
Posted 6 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
With the Trump supporters occupying Capitol Hill and the Capitol, and Trump among others calling on them to return home, but at the same time still telling them the elections were stolen, is this the start of the next civil war in the US?
1079) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost in dependency version hell (Message 102439)
Posted 5 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't download the recommended version from the website. This is an ancient one with many problems of its own, probably certificate trouble as well. It's still there because that was the last version BOINC made by itself, since this version the package maintainers of the various distros have been building and distributing BOINC. This so the package is built using libraries that work on that distro.

So please return to the 7.16 version. A Linux guru will be along shortly, I bet.
1080) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 102430)
Posted 5 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks more like a magic smoke moment because the whole server is gone.
1081) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102404)
Posted 4 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
The $8 million is set to be used for removing and disposing of the debris and the design of the new telescope.
1082) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102399)
Posted 4 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fallen alien-hunting Arecibo Observatory will be rebuilt as Puerto Rico commits $8 million to its reconstruction
1083) Message boards : The Lounge : Apple M1 & BOINC (Message 102398)
Posted 4 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting answers to that question on an Apple forum: https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/359647
https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/407282

You (Richard) may want to add those to your ticket. I don't have my Github login on my phone.
1084) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102393)
Posted 3 Jan 2021 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gerry Marsden, 78, British singer of Gerry and the Pacemakers.
(https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/03/gerry-marsden-frontman-of-gerry-and-the-pacemakers-dies-aged-78)
1085) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy New Year (Message 102382)
Posted 31 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That 2021 may be slightly less worse than 2020 was!
1086) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install issues on boinc raspberry Pi 4: 64 bit (Message 102378)
Posted 31 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php (also available in the Add Project Wizard in BOINC Manager) shows which projects have applications for ARM CPUs.
1087) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC for M1 Macs (Message 102350)
Posted 27 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If MacOS on the M1 works anyway like Android, all work is already done on the efficiency cores only. When you then set to use 8 cores, you essentially double load those efficiency cores. BOINC never uses the performance cores as these are restricted for use by the OS only.
1088) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102334)
Posted 25 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congrats Brits with the Brexit Deal. Now everything will be better. ;-)
1089) Message boards : Questions and problems : Did all forum accounts get wiped at some point? (Message 102330)
Posted 25 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If your account is deleted it's no longer approachable. Your old one is, which means you must have used a different email address or made a typo in it while registering. I can ask David to check that in the database, but won't expect an answer until after the holidays.
1090) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102312)
Posted 23 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumbles: of the 49 mourning letters I sent out last Thursday only those local and one in another town in our province were delivered. The rest? Poof. Gone. So when we found out about that on Sunday we've been sending out these things by email so everyone still got theirs in time for the funeral yesterday (Tuesday). PostNL did pick up on my complaint and have looked for an answer. Thus far nothing found. So they did the only other thing they could, reimburse us for the lost letters and stamps (glory).

Grumble: mom's bank. I've never been treated so rudely as I have just been in the local branch of ABN AMRO. Now I had mom's death certificate, I wanted to let the bank know of her passing so they could temporarily stop the account and anything going off. Well, I shouldn't have come to the local branch without making an appointment first. They were just with two people and very, very busy (neither was doing anything when I got in and waited for several minutes). No, "sorry" but I should've made an appointment, or called them or have done this via internet banking. Sorry, where's the empathy, the warmth, the human touch here?
1091) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102297)
Posted 21 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since you seem to have a super market per borough, sometimes even per neighbourhood, why the panic buying? You can't keep it all at home.
1092) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102294)
Posted 21 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm Brussels doesn't tell us which vaccines to use, the individual countries can decide that by themselves. Most countries will start vaccinations before the end of the year, only we in the Netherlands must wait until January. But even then, it'll be August before gross of the people are allowed to get it. So we wait anyway
1093) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102286)
Posted 21 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, the other thing China (and most Asian countries) did was close its borders and not allow anyone in, or when you did get in have a mandatory quarantine of 14 days before allowed to travel further. We're too wishy-washy in that. Even during the first wave when our borders were so-called closed? We still had 400-500 asylum seekers walk into the country each week.

Even now, we're not to travel anywhere but they can come in unhindered. With whatever they've picked up on their trip over. So we're just asking for this mutation. Which apparently is already here, some people were found to carry it at the start of December, while In Britain it's been found in growing groups since September. Viruses mutate. In a couple of years the vaccines we now have won't work on them anymore. Learn to live with it. There's a new flu in town.

Edit: Meanwhile, Denmark and Poland don't allow air travelers from the UK anymore, as do Spain and Portugal.
1094) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102273)
Posted 20 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Feeling like a pariah yet? Turkey and France joined the club where English travelers can't go to.
Austria, Sweden, Lithuania, Rumanian, Latvia, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic are considering blocking UK travelers. You had to go and be special. ;-)

Turkey also blocks travelers from the Netherlands, Denmark and South Africa.
1095) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102272)
Posted 20 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
South Africa has a mutated strain as well, affecting mostly younger people.
Still, countries are quitting air travel to and from South Africa now as well.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1374779/covid-strain-latest-new-coronavirus-variant-south-africa-young-adults
1096) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102269)
Posted 20 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Germany has joined in the no-fly zone.
Ferries are now also no longer allowed into Dutch ports. Buh-Bye.
1097) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102266)
Posted 20 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Czech Republic imposed a mandatory 10-day quarantine on anyone arriving from the UK starting Sunday in response to the new coronavirus strain identified there
1098) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102263)
Posted 20 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Brexit comes early. Belgium joined the Netherlands in banning flights from the UK on Sunday, and also banned rail connections as a new, more infectious strain of coronavirus was spreading rapidly in southeast England.
source.

Reminds me of Doomsday but then for the whole of the UK. Let's build that wall... ;-)
1099) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102247)
Posted 19 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2020/dec/18/scientists-looking-for-aliens-investigate-radio-beam-from-nearby-star

Astronomers behind the most extensive search yet for alien life are investigating an intriguing radio wave emission that appears to have come from the direction of Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to the sun.

The narrow beam of radio waves was picked up during 30 hours of observations by the Parkes telescope in Australia in April and May last year, the Guardian understands. Analysis of the beam has been under way for some time and scientists have yet to identify a terrestrial culprit such as ground-based equipment or a passing satellite.
1100) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102244)
Posted 18 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks all. Longer answer here.
1101) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102243)
Posted 18 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mom's funeral and cremation is set for Tuesday, we had a chat with the pastor about what music to use. We're not allowed to sing in church, but do have two singers behind clear plastic screens. I'm wondering what'll happen to all the clear plastic screens once corona's a thing of the past. Will probably add to the plastic soup already in the oceans.
We also finished clearing out mom's apartment (for which we had 7 days) and returned the keys.

So... weekend.
1102) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102161)
Posted 14 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Harmy van der Elst - Kasper, 81, my mom.
1103) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 102151)
Posted 14 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Netherlands will go into total hard lockdown from midnight 15 December 2020 until at least 19 January 2021.
Germany will go into total hard lockdown from midnight 16 December 2020 until at least 10 January 2021.

All non-essential shops are to close. Only supermarkets and pharmacies are to stay open. All schools will close as well.
Hotels stay open, but you can't eat at their restaurants. Restaurants are to deliver at home or take away only.
People are to stay at home as much as possible, work from home where possible. All non-essential travel is not advised.

Welcome to our little part of hell.
1104) Message boards : The Lounge : Apple M1 & BOINC (Message 102096)
Posted 11 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did a "Run CPU Benchmarks" and got
Not sure what your point is?
1105) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 102095)
Posted 11 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tommy Lister, 62, American actor and professional wrestler
1106) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please update Boinc Release Notes faster (Message 102089)
Posted 10 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have now updated the Release Notes page.
1107) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please update Boinc Release Notes faster (Message 102087)
Posted 10 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem here is with the logic of the download page. Only for Apple does it show 7.16.14 as recommended, and then not even all Apple versions. For Windows it still shows 7.16.11 as recommended. The release manager for Windows updates the release notes page, and as he did not release a new BOINC for Windows, he didn't update the Release Notes page.

7.16.13 has a fix for the problem the screen saver had with Big Sur (MacOS 11).
7.16.14 has a fix for not being able to install 7.16.12 due to "digital signature is invalid" errors on older MacOS versions.
However, 7.16.14 requires MacOS 10.9 or higher.
1108) Message boards : GPUs : Can I run 1 WU across multiple GPUs? (Message 102085)
Posted 10 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
On that note, I and a lot of people in the forums are referring to the things we download as work units. But on Primegrid, they call the work unit the thing that's duplicated into 2 or more tasks, and we each run a task. The task results are then compared to validate them, completing the work unit. Who is correct?
Primegrid.

Edit:
Old Seti Classic had work units. It would send one work unit to each computer, which would work on it and send a result file back.
All BOINC projects that work with redundancy send out two or more tasks per work unit. Some BOINC projects only send out one data file and then you can call that a work unit. Just as Seti Classic did.
1109) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102068)
Posted 10 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
(each of 413 inch diameter)
(each of 853 inch diameter)
No, that's 3 1/4 inch and 3 5/8 inch.

I was already going... uh, cables of 10 and 21 meter thick? They themselves weigh several kilotons already per meter. But it's the way the notation was in the original text.
1110) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Variable CPU load (Message 102066)
Posted 10 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's our longest running BOINC enhancement request to date: issue #41, differentiate between number of CPUs to use in idle and busy mode, original request date 04-07-2007

Since no one has done it to date, I don't expect it'll ever be added.
1111) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 20.10 but getting error on BOINC (Message 102059)
Posted 10 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default use of BOINC is on computers when these do nothing, aka idle time computing. Thus the preferences for suspend when computer is in use are correct default settings. The network will also be suspended until the BOINC detects the computer isn't being used for N minutes. Then it'll download work. So, there's nothing broken, all settings/preferences are as they should be.
1112) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 102056)
Posted 9 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I haven't been able to find a corresponding weight for the platform as originally installed

https://structurae.net/en/structures/arecibo-telescope quotes 820 tonnes being 900-short-ton.
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/2002ASPC..278....1A/0000003.000.html from 2002 also reports 900 ton.

Ah...
https://www.naic.edu/~astro/aotms/performance/StructureDynamics.pdf
Page 3: In the original configuration, the triangular platform had a mass of 550 tons, and was suspended by 12 main cables (each of 3 inch diameter - braided steel) from 3 towers.
Page 5: The second Arecibo upgrade, completed in 1997, was the implementation of the new Gregorian system (receiver/transmitter), whose weight and additional structure increased the total mass of the platform form 550,000 kg to 815,000 kg. [2]. To support this much heavier platform, using the same three towers, additions to the number of cables were made: 6 auxiliary mainstay cables (each of 413 inch diameter) were added from the tower tops (2 per tower) to the platform and 6 auxiliary backstay cables (each of 853 inch diameter) were added from the tower tops to the ground.
1113) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer reboots when running BOINC (Message 102031)
Posted 8 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for the advice about Core Temp; I just installed it. The max column showed high 90 degrees values and TJmax of 100 so I guess I have been running hot.
While running idle? Did you ever reopen the case and clean out the accumulated dust from fans and filters?

..and the processor has one that came with the Intel processor which I thought would be sufficient.
On the AMD Ryzen CPUs the complementary Wraith cooler is sufficient. On any Intel CPU you require aftermarket cooling as these CPUs get hot just by looking at the ceiling. And you don't immediately need to go for a full AIO watercooling solution, air coolers such as the Hyper Evo are good as well. If you have clearance in your case, that is.

So, I figured I only needed to add one more to the front of the case to push air directly over the two HDDs. I thought I read recently that the thermal paste could need replacing after a few years but I've never done this and I don't know if it is easy to use too much or not enough. Cleaning off the existing paste looks like a delicate operation using a link free cloth.
Lint free cloth and isopropyl alcohol. It's rather easy to redo the thermal compound, enough videos about it on YT. You'll need about the size of a kernel of rice on Intel and AMD CPUs, or spread it out with an old credit card so it lightly covers the whole top of the CPU.

There's no real need to active cool HDDs, the air hole at the top isn't big enough to be affected by an air stream over them.

I like the channel of Linus Tech Tips the most, they explain things quite well. So when searching on YT, do for instance a search on "ltt air cooling case" or "ltt clean cpu" or "ltt cpu compound application".
1114) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer reboots when running BOINC (Message 101966)
Posted 5 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would install a heat sensing program such as Core Temp, allow its Logging On (F4) (it will log to a .csv file in C:\Program Files\Core Temp) and when the computer has rebooted, check its contents (you can open it in Notepad) and check what its temperatures were at the time of the crash.

You don't say if you run work on a GPU as well, and if so, what brand and model GPU.
How old is the system? Have you ever opened it up to remove dust build-up from the inside?
1115) Message boards : The Lounge : Apple M1 & BOINC (Message 101947)
Posted 4 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your research need to be updated.
Talking about that...

an RTX 3060 Ti (rumored)
The day you posted that JayZ, Steve of GN and Linus all posted reviews of your rumored 3060 Ti compared against many other (same) cards.
1116) Message boards : The Lounge : Arecibo has fallen!! (Message 101946)
Posted 4 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
We already posted that in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13563&postid=101878 and further. It would also be more of a big item thingy for the Seti forums, not for BOINC.
1117) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101944)
Posted 4 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Byron Leigh Hatch , founder of the Carl Sagan team, all around smart and thoughtful guy, and a setizen since shortly after SETI@home began in 1999, passed away in August 2020.

I'll miss you, dear friend.
1118) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101936)
Posted 3 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And video of it happening: https://www.youtube.com/embed/b3AASKr_iHc
1119) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101921)
Posted 3 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that's true. I mixed it up. Have looked it up and the Oxford vaccine can be kept for 6 months at 2-8C.
At least the world has a problem because those taking the Pfilzer vaccine require the -70C cooling and only a handful companies in the world make these highly specialized freezers, one of which is in NL. They're running at top capacity.
1120) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101919)
Posted 3 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our Gov says they can start vaccinating on the 4th of January.
But!

Initial vaccinations should be done by general practitioners and they can't do this because the vaccine NL has chosen requires it's cooled at -80C at all times until used, and the GPs just don't have the equipment. But if they were able to do it, they'd have to vaccinate the elderly and handicapped, plus some of the nursing staff. Then further down the line all people 60 and above will get it, plus the rest of the nursing and caring staff. And then somewhere around August 2021 will the rest of the population be applicable to get their jab.

Funnily enough, our vaccine comes from the UK, is made at Oxford University. It'll probably cross your vaccine coming from Belgium. Can you still follow this?
Oh and ours has a coverage ration of anywhere between 50 and 70%. So not the best of vaccines either. Although by sheer coincidence (read: they made a mistake in administering the dosage to half the test group) they found that if people get half a dose one month and a full dose the month thereafter that this increases the coverage of the vaccine by a lot.
1121) Message boards : Questions and problems : boincadm@boinc.berkeley.edu Unknown Host (Message 101916)
Posted 3 Dec 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without uninstalling Science United and installing BOINC proper
No! Why do people adamantly believe that Science United is a program one has to uninstall in order to install and use BOINC? Science United is an account manager that runs through BOINC. Its installer will install BOINC and then add Science United as the account manager. You don't uninstall BAM! or GridRepublic either to get rid of those ACs, you just detach them.
1122) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any way to force NOT reporting results immediately? (Message 101863)
Posted 30 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uploads can be multiple hundreds of MBs or GBs big. Reports are mere kilobytes, maybe low megabytes if you have a lot to report at the same time. Reporting one task at a time is a glitch on the bandwidth.
1123) Message boards : News : 7.16.11 client released (Message 101848)
Posted 29 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Has something changed to make it broken on 3/4 of the distros?
That was a guestimation of mine. The times BOINC did release a new version we did notice an increase in users with other than Ubuntu (style) distros having a hard time getting that BOINC version to work, which is probably still true to this day. Therefore it's better that the package maintainers provide an updated BOINC via their repositories, that way you know for sure it's been built and tested with the (updated/outdated) libraries of that distro.
1124) Message boards : News : 7.16.11 client released (Message 101845)
Posted 29 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
People that want to crunch on Linux have to go their software repository instead of downloading the latest version here.
That's because that's the new policy. The package maintainers add the newer/newest versions, the BOINC release manager(s) no longer do. Besides, I don't even think we have a release manager for BOINC on Linux.

It's done this way that the package that's built has all the correct libraries for that built for that Linux distribution, instead of BOINC building a version that's broken on 3/4s of the distros out here.
1125) Message boards : Questions and problems : names of windows 10 service (to delay start) (Message 101837)
Posted 28 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you didn't install BOINC as a service, it's not in the services applet. It then starts from the registry.
To delay start BOINC, you can either use the option Keith points out (this delays the starting of the science applications under BOINC, not BOINC itself), or set up your own BOINC start delay in Task Scheduler. You then point to boincmgr.exe in C:\Program Files\BOINC (which starts BOINC Manager, which in turn starts the BOINC client)
1126) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101818)
Posted 27 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you know brown was dark orange?
Have you ever seen a brown light?

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4aWZRtTwU
1127) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101773)
Posted 25 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Diego Armando Maradona Franco, 60, Argentine professional football player and manager
1128) Message boards : Projects : Asteroids@home: My username unknown, couldn't upload results (Message 101755)
Posted 24 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Their server is down, which is why you cannot report finished work. It'll also account for all the SQL errors on all their pages, the missing News, etc.

http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/server_status.php
1129) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101743)
Posted 24 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, Avi is not mine. The rest is complicated.
1130) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101740)
Posted 24 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Corrie van Gorp, 78, Dutch comedian, actress and singer.
1131) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101680)
Posted 21 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The past days I was up at 6am already anyway. I've known I was the designated driver since the day she told me she was pregnant. So no shock there. So this morning when she called at 02:48 I was out of bed and into my car and at her house within 12 minutes. No problems. :)
1132) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101677)
Posted 21 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The baby arrived 06:19am local time. She's perfect.
1133) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101676)
Posted 21 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dominic Grant, 71, British Guys ‘n’ Dolls / Grant & Forsyth singer
1134) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101675)
Posted 21 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory and hallelujah.
Just delivered Isa to the hospital. The baby is on its way. We'll have a new world citizen today, people. Let's celebrate!
1135) Message boards : The Lounge : Apple M1 & BOINC (Message 101664)
Posted 20 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://gizmodo.com/the-macbook-air-was-a-fine-laptop-but-apples-m1-chip-m-1845671122
You know a Mac is impressive when it dazzles a die-hard PC user. The M1's 8-core CPU, with four cores devoted to performance and four to efficiency, is truly something, even compared to competing 8-core chips. On Geekbench 5, a basic test of overall system performance, the MacBook Air’s 1712 single-core and 7441 multi-core scores easily blazed past the new Dell XPS 13, which sports Intel’s top-of-the-line Core i7-1165G7 processor and starts at $1,500 (the configuration we tested is $1,600). The Dell notched a 1214 single-core and 3833 multi-core score. We also stacked the Air with M1 against a comparable machine built on one of AMD’s best laptop chips, the Ryzen 7 4800U, which has 8 cores/16 threads and is based on 7nm chip architecture. The Lenovo IdeaPad 7 Slim’s single-core (1129) and multi-core (5478) scores were also no match for the M1.

On Cinebench R23, which is similar to Geekbench but more time-intensive and therefore a potentially more thorough gauge of CPU and GPU performance, the Air’s single core (1490) and multi-core (6931) scores again bested the Dell XPS 13 with 11th-gen Intel chip and 16GB of RAM, which notched single core and multi-core scores of 1420 and 4207, respectively. The Lenovo with its AMD chip scored 1061 (single core) and 7225 (multi-core) on Cinebench, giving that chip the edge over the M1. That’s not terribly surprising, because AMD is usually the champion when it comes to multi-core benchmarks and intensive tasks.

In Handbrake, which tests the speed of the GPU when converting a 4K video file to 1080p, the Air completed the task in 8 minutes and 52 seconds. The Dell (17:24) was no match, and even the Lenovo (9:04) lagged behind. Rendering a 3D image in Blender, the Air took 6:24 using its CPU and 7:54 with its GPU. Again, those times easily beat the XPS 13 (9:47 for CPU and 10:50 for GPU) and the IdeaPad (9:37 for CPU and 9:09 for GPU) with their competitive chips. This is particularly impressive because Blender isn’t actually optimized for the M1, which means it was running on Rosetta 2, Apple’s emulation software that provides support for Intel-based Mac apps. That meant the MacBook Air wasn’t just exceptionally faster than its competitors in Blender, but it did it while also running an emulation layer.
1136) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101656)
Posted 20 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory. My uBTC bought beginning of this year is now worth about $2,500.-
I'm just waiting for it to grow even further.
1137) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia/AMD Cuda/OpenCL on Boinc projects - which card to buy? (Message 101655)
Posted 19 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even projects that use more DP, still use single precision.
Maybe so, but the problem with the projects that require Double Precision, is that you cannot use a Single Precision GPU, at all. So then the issue is moot whether the project only uses DP or also (in part) SP.
1138) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any way to change the background of the screensaver? (Message 101636)
Posted 19 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No.
1139) Message boards : News : 7.16.11 client released (Message 101603)
Posted 17 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
They are not ticked and blank.
Which doesn't mean they're not used. They're used with the default values 100 and 0.000. You can check in global_prefs_override.xml that those values are correct, for <disk_max_used_pct> and <disk_min_free_pct>
1140) Message boards : News : 7.16.11 client released (Message 101601)
Posted 17 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is a little odd that a restart seems to "fix" the issue.
No, because a reboot will unload all (virtual/disk) memory, which then after a time fills up again. The disk preferences don't just exist of "Leave at least N GB free", they also comprise "Use no more than N GB" and "Use no more than N% of total" (disk space). What are those numbers then and what is the size of the disk BOINC its data directory is on?
1141) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 101573)
Posted 14 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
the beta d/l site
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D isn't a beta download site, it's the BOINC installer archive, all installers - even bad ones - end up there.
1142) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc won't stop running (Message 101560)
Posted 13 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Big long gigantico one at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/3715
1143) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks max memory, temporarily freeze until swap invoked (linux) (Message 101556)
Posted 12 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a Ryzen 7 CPU with 8 cores, each of which can run 2 threads. Boinc probably queries /proc/cpuinfo and counts 16 cores, the 8 physical cores with 2 threads each, instead of 8 cores. That results in Boinc launching 16 simultaneous tasks, each with 2 threads possibly reaching 4Gb ram of the 16Gb physical ram.
..
If I leave boincmgr open, it restarts all 32 threads and locks up the computer again.
This I don't get. Unless you run a project which application double loads each CPU core, essentially BOINC detects 8 cores, 16 threads. It can therefore only allow a project to run 16 tasks at once, not 32. Which project(s) do you run?

Are you running an app_config.xml file for the affected project(s)? if so, what's in it/them?

I tried "<max_ncpus_pct>50</max_ncpus_pct>" in global_prefs.xml, now I have 8 tasks, but each has 3 threads.
Same thing here. You don't have to hand-edit global_prefs.xml, you can do that via the project's website->your account->Computing preferences. Or use the local preferences as Les points out. These override the web preferences.

But setting CPU used to 50% will make a 16 thread CPU an 8 thread CPU. It won't however triple load each thread by default, just single load, so 8 threads, 8 tasks. Not 24. Unless the project's science application stipulates to use more than one core/thread. But that's something the project's application does, not BOINC. Therefore again, which project(s) do you run?
1144) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101536)
Posted 9 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still won't help if they don't give it to the world on the same day, or same week. Plus the anti-vaxxers and those BS'ers with their "Bill Gates injects a micro chip in me" won't get it anyway, so how's that going to help?

Meanwhile, Ghost Recon Breakpoint got its 3.0.3 title update today. I've been playing it for the past hour and a half. Found 11 bugs so far... if this was BOINC, I'd declare it DOA.
1145) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101533)
Posted 9 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
All of a sudden it works.
Before by the way, the link up to here worked fine in a browser for me, else I couldn't have answered the question. Now it gives me the Bad URL timestamp as well.
1146) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101522)
Posted 8 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:

For images to work within image tags, they need to end on .bmp, .jpg, or .png, so next time remove all the crap, after the jpg, from the question mark to everything after that.

And to answer the question, until either he, or Biden, or Harris is sworn in on the 10th of January, Trump is still President.
1147) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101516)
Posted 7 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't know I had a job, so no...
1148) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101513)
Posted 7 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congrats USA with your new President.
Waiting for the first shots to be fired....
1149) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101504)
Posted 5 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like I'm in one of the provinces that's going to get a curfew and strict total lockdown. Yay.
1150) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 101499)
Posted 4 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not aliens, but something. I'm sure someone else will post this in the correct project's forums (Einstein, Seti):
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03018-5

A fast radio burst in our own Galaxy
The origins of millisecond-long bursts of radio emissions, known as fast radio bursts, from beyond our Galaxy have been enigmatic. The detection of one such burst from a Galactic source helps to constrain the theories.
1151) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC issue with MacPro Late 2013 GPU AMD FirePro D700 (2) (Message 101498)
Posted 4 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC usage of 2nd GPU

BOINC doesn't use the GPU, BOINC is the managing program for a lot of project's scientific programs. These programs use the GPU. If anyone has to fix anything, it's the projects.

As Dave said, easily tested if it's the science program or your hardware: try another project that supports your GPU on MacOS: https://einsteinathome.org
If you don't want to report this behaviour at the project itself, then your only option there is to disable the use of the ATI/AMD GPU and run work solely on the CPU.
1152) Message boards : Questions and problems : ubuntu 20.10 installation error (Message 101493)
Posted 4 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need to try to reinvent the wheel, just follow the advice in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14023
1153) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 101490)
Posted 4 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I'm delighted to bring some good news your way today! The Zooniverse has just launched a new project from the Science Scribbler team - Science Scribbler: Placenta Profiles

The placenta is the organ that connects a mother to her baby during pregnancy and enables the baby to grow. This vital organ has many essential jobs to do such as transferring oxygen and nutrients from the mother to her growing baby. If the placenta fails to work properly it can lead to pregnancy complications where the baby can be born too small, too early, is very unwell, or does not survive. Understanding why placentas fail will help us to understand why some pregnancies suffer complications. How well the placenta works is related to its development and structure. However, the structure of the placenta is difficult to study because there are lots of different cell types. Placenta Profiles is a project that aims to explore in detail the complex structure of the placenta.

We're starting with mitochondria - the powerhouse of the cell! In this project, we ask you to place a mark near the center of each mitochondrion you see in each image. This effort will help improve our understanding of mitochondrial dynamics in the placenta and help train computers to analyse new data even faster in the future!

The placenta is very complex and still holds many questions. Help us answer them now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/msbrhonclif/science-scribbler-placenta-profiles.

Thanks for your help!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1154) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101488)
Posted 3 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: we don't have a total lockdown in NL
Grumble: but it's close. All bars and restaurants were already closed - but for take-out - now add to that all the museums, theaters, cinemas, zoos, swimming pools and theme parks. It's already forbidden to buy any alcohol or soft drugs between 20:00 and 06:00h, you can't have it on you as walk out on the street during those hours either.
Maximum group size on the street is now two people.
Visiting: you can have two people per 24 hours visiting you.
We're not allowed to go abroad, unless it's absolutely necessary, this restriction lasts until middle of January.
If we go on vacation, it's only allowed in our own country and not to go far from where we stay. Do small local sight-seeing trips only.

The rest of the time: work from home, stay at home as much as possible. Don't go fun shopping, you're allowed to go out and have a stroll, just don't overdo it. Stay away from crowds ... well, other small groups of max 2 people.

Schools stay open.
Gyms stay open.

It's possible we'll get regional total lockdowns with a curfew between 22:00 and 04:00 hours, closing of high schools and universities (still, not the primary schools), closing of all stores excluding supermarkets.

Good luck all.

PS: since middle March 24,430 people were fined because they didn't adhere to measures to stop corona. 3,034 fines were given to people not wearing a mask in public transport. Fines were initially €390.- which due to the amount automatically gave you a note on your criminal record, but the fine has been reduced to €95.- to stop the latter from happening.
1155) Message boards : Questions and problems : No work is being done (Message 101452)
Posted 3 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosetta is more than just COVID-19 research, it's always been more than that. So while the COVID-19 research may have ended, the regular work continues.
You can check at https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/server_status.php what the status is of their Tasks ready to send.
1156) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed projects not showing in tasks (Message 101448)
Posted 2 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Science United is a sort of manager that is based on BOINC, and is the strongly highlighted alternative to the "real" BOINC that you have installed.
Uh no, Science United is an account manager. It uses BOINC, but any trouble you have with SU is best reported to its developer: https://scienceunited.org/su_help.php
1157) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101432)
Posted 2 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can I convert the bans into Boinc credits? Or perhaps a leaderboard for how many times people get told off?
There are no BOINC credits and you'll never manage to better the amount of bans Knut has gathered together.
Doesn't Knut have more bans than Mr. Spam by now?

No, Mr. Spam has several years advantage of Knut, but Mr. Spam isn't really one person. That I know of.
1158) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101431)
Posted 2 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Instagram:


So... you can still go there and walk. Bring a picnic hamper.
1159) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Dark mode availability (Message 101424)
Posted 1 Nov 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
WxWidgets doesn't support dark mode, at least on Windows: https://forums.wxwidgets.org/viewtopic.php?t=45869
1160) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101406)
Posted 31 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's in Malvern that you want to go there? Willingly.
1161) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101404)
Posted 31 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sean Connery, 90, Scottish actor, the one and only James Bond, 007
1162) Message boards : Questions and problems : Need to find BOINC VBox config manual (Message 101403)
Posted 31 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you run a project that uses a VM, it will send you the correct VM file. Virtualbox communicates through BOINC, which takes care of all the work related communications, so you don't have to set anything up. Just add the project that uses a VM to BOINC and you're off.
1163) Message boards : Questions and problems : Primegrid.com - Malwarebytes blocking it (Message 101393)
Posted 30 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/d0d21ab35ec8a038ff3a3c8d010937c7a4fd8cf907ce6fcc9f641cb646fa829c/detection (main site) reports everything clean.
https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/37a2e7abbcca38d4cfaf7b4ff11de784f16a3458be2bfa5514e14272335e830a/detection (forums) reports everything clean.

So you have a false positive, which you'll have to report at Malwarebytes.
1164) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101389)
Posted 30 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
See? I can update Master locally, but not a clue how to update branch 7.16, so that's stuck at 11 June.
1165) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101388)
Posted 30 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was looking for nightly builds but we don't have those, do we?
And wasn't the bug I found due to the compiler used? Because the one I use is still VS 2013. It's also been 67 years since I last updated BOINC source code and when you've not done that for a while you forget how it goes.
1166) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101386)
Posted 30 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll leave you to deal with #4076. :-) hic!
Testing it, you mean? I wonder of course why the changes to simple view when I reported the problems in advanced view and never looked at simple view.
1167) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101380)
Posted 29 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And no comment to what you said. I was telling you months ago that this whole community thing was already out the window. He's doing what he wants. Ignores everything else. Ignores neatness. Doesn't give a damn about the users who get into trouble. I still don't know what to do about it though, other than see this flaming wreck fall down from the sky into a bottomless lake.
1168) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101371)
Posted 29 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two years on and maintenance costing too much, they'll be transformed into parking lots for the disabled.
1169) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101367)
Posted 29 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've seen and felt your explosion, the effects are still reverberating through the landscape. How big a crater is East Morton? 🤣
1170) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101358)
Posted 28 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to Vitalii:
There are some extra dlls that are not needed anymore but still exist in the installer. Will be fixed later.

PS: I checked my install directory. I didn't see any of that.
1171) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101357)
Posted 28 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dutch pricing for the RX 6800, RX 6800 XT and RX 6900 XT, from Tweakers.net:
RX 6800 - €579
RX 6800 XT - €649
RX 6900 XT - €999

Reviews:
Linus Tech Tips
JayzTwoCents
Gamers Nexus
1172) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101356)
Posted 28 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It runs fine. Kaspersky didn't yell at me.
Posted my problems with this version to the various channels. Including to the alpha email list asking why this version is so large. :)
1173) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101353)
Posted 28 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So what adds the 4.4 MB when compared to the previous version?
1174) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101351)
Posted 28 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fishy....
1175) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 101342)
Posted 27 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I hope you are doing well this week so far! It is my absolute pleasure to inform you about the launch of two brand new projects on the Zooniverse:


Are You Talking to ME? Tagging Speech to Children and Adults

Researchers from Duke University in North Carolina need your help to classify whether some short sound clips are addressed to young children or to adults. This is part of a research study they hope will help us better understand the types of speech infants hear.

Learn more, and get involved now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/fedebul/are-you-talking-to-me-tagging-speech-to-children-and-adults.


World Architecture Unlocked

In this project the team from the Courtauld Institute of Art needs your help to transcribe one of the most comprehensive and mysterious collections of architectural photography in the world. Join them and explore the Conway Library - one of the world's largest collections of architectural photography.

Learn more, and get involved now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/courtaulddigital/world-architecture-unlocked.


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1176) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101341)
Posted 27 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
18 years to go till my retirement.
1177) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 20.10 but getting error on BOINC (Message 101330)
Posted 26 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINCTUI also uses gui_rpc_auth.cfg. I will surmise every UI talking to the client via RPC will use gui_rpc_auth.cfg, so they will all have this problem.
1178) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 20.10 but getting error on BOINC (Message 101313)
Posted 26 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now I know, weekend and all that, but there's very little acknowledgement coming from the dev team.
Monday, and thus far, zip.
1179) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 101312)
Posted 26 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Must be Tuesday again... uhm, wait.
1180) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101303)
Posted 25 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's fishy all right and it's done to quite a couple of other sites. So called "faster and for server off load purposes".
See what a person called QuantumEthos posts in https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5376 and what the site mods are telling in response.
1181) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 20.10 but getting error on BOINC (Message 101301)
Posted 25 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The latest version which requires a password in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file sure is causing lots of troubles it seems from the plethora of posts for help lately.
I've commented on the PR that did this, #3709, so let's see if there's any other comments on this than "yes, but it's more secure this way".
I was tempted to add "as I predicted in the very first comment on that PR". But I decided that - because David seems to switch off whenever he sees my name - it would probably be counterproductive.
Now I know, weekend and all that, but there's very little acknowledgement coming from the dev team.
1182) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101300)
Posted 25 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Came across this site, wonder what it is: https://boinc.n-helix.com/

For references, the whole forums are there as well, this thread for instance is at https://boinc.n-helix.com/forum_thread.php?id=13563
1183) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101288)
Posted 24 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jerry Jeff Walker, 78, American country music singer and songwriter (Mr. Bojangles)
Marge Champion, 101, American dancer and actress. At 14, she was hired as a dance model for Walt Disney Studios animated films.
She was hired by The Walt Disney Studio as a dance model for their animated film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937). Her movements were copied to enhance the realism of the animated Snow White figure. For one scene Belcher served as model while wrapped in a baggy overcoat for two dwarfs at once, when for the "Silly Song" dance, Dopey gets on Sneezy's shoulder to dance with Snow White. Belcher later modeled for characters in other animated films: the Blue Fairy in Pinocchio (1940) and Hyacinth Hippo in the Dance of the Hours segment of Fantasia, a ballet parody that she also helped choreograph. She even recalls doing some modeling for Mr. Stork in Dumbo. When working with Disney on Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Champion recalls, "the animators couldn't take a young girl out of themselves, they couldn't take the prince out of themselves"
1184) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 20.10 but getting error on BOINC (Message 101284)
Posted 24 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The latest version which requires a password in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file sure is causing lots of troubles it seems from the plethora of posts for help lately.

I've commented on the PR that did this, #3709, so let's see if there's any other comments on this than "yes, but it's more secure this way".
1185) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101282)
Posted 24 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble. apx 4 AM my when it came back my daily driver refused to boot.
You trying out new code for us to break, or are you getting forgetful and while you type? ;-)
1186) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101278)
Posted 24 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least alcohol is essential. 😂
1187) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 101266)
Posted 24 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Europeans, don't forget to fiddle with your clocks tonight as DST ends and Standard Time resumes.

NL: 03:00 -> 02:00

It's the last Sunday of October, not the first one of November (which it is next week).
1188) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 20.10 but getting error on BOINC (Message 101256)
Posted 24 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Following how difficult this is, can anyone do a write up of it so I'll put it in the Wiki?
And shouldn't we ask the developers if there's an easier way to do this? Because it doesn't sound like BOINC on Linux can be used by everyone, while the point of BOINC is that it should be usable by anyone (with permission).
1189) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101233)
Posted 23 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I disable the 5GHz transmitter as it pumps out crap loads of heat. So much so that it burned out the first modem/router I had from my ISP.
Why run 5GHz, but for the one device that uses it and that can't when in the bedroom because of too many walls between it and the router? So, 2.4GHz is all I use.

I am on my fourth modem/router due to two lightning strikes in close proximity in my last flat, both of which managed to wipe out my LAN connections - but left 2.4GHz wifi and internet intact.
1190) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101231)
Posted 23 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tried to use it underwater again?
1191) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101211)
Posted 22 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
James Randi, 92, Canadian-American, stage magician and a scientific skeptic who extensively challenged paranormal and pseudoscientific claims.
1192) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging in to Project websites with BOINC manager (Message 101204)
Posted 21 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have to ask him / SU.
But not via the SU forums as only spammers live there.
1193) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 101178)
Posted 20 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

We’re excited to announce the launch of a new Etch A Cell project on the Zooniverse: EtchA Cell – VR

We need your help to analyse a new data set. In this project, we ask you to draw around a variety of different subcellular structures (organelles) from the same set of images of a cancer cell, starting with the mitochondria (which you may already be familiar with if you’ve taken part in one of our previous projects, Etch A Cell – Powerhouse Hunt).

This project will generate data that will be used to help improve understanding of cell biology. One of the approaches we will use to look at the data produced will be to create a virtual reality (VR) experience. VR can be used as another way to make sense of complex data like the data we produce in Etch A Cell.

Get involved and give the project a try at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/h-spiers/etch-a-cell-vr.

Thanks for your help!
Grant and the Zooniverse Team
1194) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC projects say "suspended - computer is not in use" (Message 101167)
Posted 20 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've used the "Science United" account manager. It has the option from its site preferences to run projects only when the computer is in use. It didn't detect the computer as in use even when i was using it, so i removed the "Science United" manager/stopped using it. This is the first issue that i was experiencing.
Make sure BOINC Manager->view->Advanced view->Activity is set to Run based on preferences.

Then i added World Community Grid and selected to use local preferences. However, it still says that "Suspended - computer is not in use". And there is no checkbox to change this status. This is issue number two that i'm experiencing.

When to suspend

Also, there is a button "Use web prefs", but it says that it will start using the prefs from "Science United", however i'm using WCG now and have remoted the "Science United", why wouldn't it use Web Prefs from WCG instead? This is issue 3 that i'm experiencing.
BOINC can only know you're using WCG preferences if you ever changed them on the website and had BOINC contact that project to get those preferences in. That's how that's done. You change preferences on a project's website or account manager, you let BOINC contact that project, during the scheduler contact information of those changed preferences is sent to BOINC, it'll then show that this was the last place the preferences changed at. Simple as that.
WCG preferences are differently worded on their website, a thing to keep in mind. That's because they still use their own old proprietary forums and website software for these things.
1195) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestion: BoincMNG Scheduler with compute profiles (Message 101158)
Posted 19 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/41

Since we've been asking for it for 13 years and no one has ever seen it fit to add it, I don't think it's ever going to happen.
1196) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux Suspend when computer is in use bug. (Message 101141)
Posted 18 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If there is a serious reason why this bug can't get fixed
Simply said, it really depends on the distribution you use whether it works or not, and there's no guarantee that will stay working for future iterations of that distro. For some X11/XScreensaver is used for idle detection, for others systemd and when the developer of the distro makes a change in either, that will break BOINC's idle detection. Or even make it possible to use on distros that for long couldn't use it.

A user definable timer could work. But you'll have to ask for that on Issues (search if there's none there yet or your ticket will be closed).
Other automated workarounds comprise using the exclusive applications option (as long as a certain application is detected in memory, BOINC suspends work), or the "non-boinc usage is above n%" option.
1197) Message boards : The Lounge : Meow. (Message 101124)
Posted 17 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Schmoyoho songifying that last non-debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_vJN061sd8
1198) Message boards : Questions and problems : Non installable (executable binary) Boinc for Windows please? (Message 101123)
Posted 17 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can use the administrative options on the installer "boinc_installer_name.exe /a" to unpack the contents of the installer without installing them. Or do that on a different system and then copy the folders and their contents to the other machine. You don't need the boinc_* user accounts and groups unless you install as a service.
1199) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging in to Project websites with BOINC manager (Message 101119)
Posted 16 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's only when they have different forums, non-BOINC. A handful have BBCode forums. But the ones that use the built in forums use the BOINC account.
1200) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging in to Project websites with BOINC manager (Message 101116)
Posted 16 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
To get into the forums etc. you need to register, preferably using the same user, email and password as you use for Boinc.
OP shouldn't need to register separately, as since they're running the project already, they already have an account that they can log in to. Well, unless they use Science United, then it's an anonymous account and all bets are off.

@Sam
I am receiving notices for Projects and Friend requests that require me to log in to the project site and when I go there, I am directed to log in via the BOINC manager.
Can you point to one of these websites? Are you using Science United?
1201) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101112)
Posted 15 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: Star Trek Discovery season 3 started.
1202) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101110)
Posted 15 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
NL went into a new lockdown yesterday, not a total one but still more restrictions all over the place. With the climbing numbers of infections it's not weird, if this continues this way we'll have 10,000 a day this weekend. And then a complete lockdown next week.

Now, meanwhiles the Gov released the CoronaMelder app, an app that will warn you when you've been within reach of a person infected with corona.

But... it won't do this automatically. The app can't detect if you have corona. When you have symptoms, you have to have a test (3-5 days of seclusion while you wait for your test date and time, and afterwards for the outcome), and when you've tested positive you have the choice if you want to broadcast that fact to others. The app on your phone contacts the central server multiple times a day and sends random numbered values that are stored there. When someone else who chose to tell the world he was infected has his app broadcast that fact, his random numbers are compared to those on the server. If your phone has been in the neighborhood of the other's phone for a certain time and distance, you will get a warning from the app. And then you get advice on what to do. No obligation.

The app works with Bluetooth, sapping your phone. It'll constantly broadcast its presence to other phones and devices.
I'm not interested in it, luckily it's not adamant yet to have it on your phone. Some 2 million people can't even install it as it uses technology too new for their hardware or OS. Backward compatibility? Nah.
The app also doesn't work with foreign apps. If you do manage to go abroad, you have to install the local version. Well done, Europe!

And now I read that our telecom providers are forced to share telecom data, mobile location data, with the RIVM (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment) because then they can check per hour which phone is where, for how long, where they came from, and where they're going. Mass surveillance. NL is getting creepy. Don't come here.
1203) Message boards : Questions and problems : NVIDIA RTX3090 (Message 101106)
Posted 15 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is merely the managing program, it doesn't use your GPU. Calculations on your GPU are done with applications sent by the project(s) you added. You'll have to report this behaviour at their forums. There is nothing we can do about it.
1204) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 101101)
Posted 14 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I hope you're doing as well as possible right now. I come bearing good news from the Zooniverse - we have just launched a new project, and as always we would really appreciate any help you can give towards it.

ATHENA: Spot Species in Fine Art

A lot remains unknown about how the natural world has been impacted by humans. Exploring historical paintings can reveal biological and cultural aspects of the historical relationship between man and nature. For this, we invite you to help spot plants and animals in fine art. A selection of paintings and printed art from the tremendous collection of the Dutch Rijksmuseum is ready to be classified.

By classifying these works of art, you help us build the ATHENA portal which documents the history of biodiversity in the Netherlands. ATHENA is a project funded by a core team of researchers with backgrounds in Biology and History, supported by a broad consortium of knowledge-, heritage- and open institutions. The project aims to develop an internationally unique database allowing researchers from multiple scientific disciplines to study human-nature relationships. The resulting database will provide a platform for large-scale, comparative (both in space and time) and multilevel studies of human-nature relationships. In this portal, paintings will be included to show the history of the iconography of animals and fauna in the Netherlands. However, for many paintings, it is unknown which species are depicted. For this, we ask for your help!

Learn more, and get involved at http://species-in-art.com


Thanks so much for your continued efforts on the Zooniverse!
Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1205) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 101100)
Posted 14 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is the actual system you run it on?

Windows 10 version 2004.
Windows 10 isn't a system. Windows 10 is only the operating system, it runs on hardware.
Again, what is your system? CPU, memory amount, operating system (not the one running in the VM, but the one runing the VM)
Else please post the first 40 lines of your BOINC start up messages.

Have you tried a different one?

NO - are there grounds to doubt your competence ?
I do hope this is something that got lost or went wrong in translation. Because I doubt you purposely want to insult me? May I remind you that I am just a volunteer helping out on these forums and that I will expect a bit of the same courtesy and professionalism in answers as I am giving you in me trying to help you out of my own free choice? Because if you cannot display that bit of courtesy, I will immediately cease my attempts to help you, put you on ignore and hope that someone else will step in to try to help you.

Have you set up the VM yourself, or does it come as a package?
I followed Oracle and filled in the blanks. I'm a newbie in Linux - I don't know what else to do.

You followed Orcale how? From a link? If so which one?
Else, how did you set up the VM? What all runs in your VM? Only Linux, or Windows 10 as well?

That's why I wouldn't dream of any other - it's BOINC's Oracle's version of VirtualBox I've used.

I respect that it's important for researchers to eliminate 'red herrings'.
Please take this problem seriously - it is not a mirage.
There are many levels involved, to which I certainly do not not have access.
Please find the source
Do know that it's not necessary to run BOINC in a VM. VirtualBox is shipped with versions of BOINC to allow projects that use it to immediately run their Linux VM and tasks on your computer. But BOINC is outside of that VM.

So you run your normal operating system on your computer, in that you install BOINC and VirtualBox.
Then when you add a project that requires VirtualBox, the project will use it and run its own Linux and tasks inside VirtualBox. BOINC just monitors this and shows real time information on the tasks running inside the VM.

Not all projects use VirtualBox. So you can also just download & install BOINC without VirtualBox.

So what was your intention?
1206) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 101091)
Posted 13 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice, but let's start at the beginning shall we?
What is the actual system you run it on?
Do you run Linux in a VM? If so which one?
Have you tried a different one?
Have you set up the VM yourself, or does it come as a package?

or refer to your partners at Oracle
You mean the makers of VirtualBox? They're not our partners. BOINC ships a version of VirtualBox included in one of the installers as an optional download, because we know the version that's included works with BOINC and all the projects that use VirtualBox. Not all VBox versions work well with all projects.
1207) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 101088)
Posted 13 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is a minimal Lubuntu system? Because if BOINC says you have only got 300MB disk space, I doubt any project out there can make use of it. And what's with the memory of just 600MB?
If you're running in a VM, make sure you set it up correctly, that it's using actual GB instead of MB values.
1208) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 101076)
Posted 12 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Margaret Nolan, 76, English visual artist, actress and glamour model. She is best known for her appearances in the 1964 films Goldfinger and A Hard Day's Night.
1209) Message boards : Questions and problems : elapsed time is misleading (Message 101045)
Posted 10 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
With this I am asking for a change in the BOINC manager to show the elapsed and remaining times counting continously irrespective of cpu times setting.The way it is at the moment it is just confusing!

Elapsed time is the actual wall-clock time. Remaining time is an estimated time, based on the amount of flops the project states the task takes but which your CPU will probably much faster run through. Hence estimated, as not all computers use the same CPU which calculate the same amount of flops per task.
These counters are only counting time when actual science is done on the CPU. So not when BOINC is paused, not when the science application is paused. Not when BOINC has exited.

By using 60% processing time, you tell BOINC to run the science applications for 6 seconds per 10 seconds at 100% and to pause it for the other 4 seconds. When the application is paused, it doesn't use CPU, so that time isn't counted. BOINC will however also count the CPU time. You can find this one in Properties of the individual tasks.

If you want the total time from task start to task finish including pauses, exits etc. you will have to use a third party application or make a notation of your local wall-clock when tasks start.
1210) Message boards : Questions and problems : rpc changes (Message 101044)
Posted 10 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thanks I take this as a will not implement.

We're not the developers. If that was a feature request, you have to ask at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues, that's where the developers reside these days.
1211) Message boards : News : Web site makeover (Message 101030)
Posted 9 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
At first glance you will think you're on the Science United website, because that's the main item here. Instead it is the BOINC front page, but the download link to the actual program is a small link, almost as an afterthought. This while the big button is for Science United which has its own website and front page.

I would expect to find a big download BOINC button on the BOINC front page, just as it used to be. Go to any other website which is for its own (named, brand) product, will you find when you get there that it advertises a completely different thing with a small link to the actual product? No. So why that need here?

Everyone should use Science United apparently. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if both pages will be combined in a near future.
1212) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101004)
Posted 8 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's way more comfortable to go into the ambulance head first, less chance to travel sickness. 😂
1213) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 101000)
Posted 8 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But that's correct because the release manager of BOINC doesn't package new BOINC versions anymore, that's done by the package maintainers of the various distros and other builders. So when you look in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php, you'll see that the recommended version for Linux is 7.4.22 and the beta version 7.16.6
1214) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100998)
Posted 8 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's that large Science United button and then underneath that is a small link stating "Or download BOINC and choose specific projects." with a link under download BOINC. I see the front page has changed again as last night the Science United button was much larger and the Start Computing section was for me on the left. I find it a wonder the download BOINC line isn't hyper small.
1215) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100995)
Posted 8 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wonder if this topic needs its own thread?

There is one in the News forum... ;-)
1216) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100992)
Posted 8 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
My initial reaction was also to take flight, but it's not BOINC that's at fault here. BOINC will still be needed even when the whole outside is Science United. On its own Science United is nothing, it requires BOINC as well. So that won't change.

And I don't think he'll be able to force SU on everyone, that it's the only available option to do science for the projects. The other AM maintainers would scream bloody murder, and rightly so.
1217) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100985)
Posted 7 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/ - Yuck.

Any day now and this whole site's going to be called Science United.
1218) Message boards : Questions and problems : Do new BOINC versions make it more efficient so tasks are done quicker? (Message 100984)
Posted 7 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since BOINC doesn't do any work - that's solely done by the projects science applications - a newer version will not increase performance.
But there have been bug fixes in 7.16.11, the one you'll most probably want are the fixes to certificates for contact with projects. The rest can be read at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes
1219) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 100970)
Posted 6 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Please help us test a potential new Zooniverse project - VerbaAlpina

NOTE: This is the second round of beta testing for this project, so you may have seen it before. However, significant changes have been made so we would very much appreciate your review again.

What the researchers say:
"Since marking and transcribing are major parts of our work in the research project VerbaAlpina, we would like to use the power of the crowd to accomplish these tasks. In our project you will be presented with maps from the Italian atlas AIS (Sprach- und Sachatlas Italiens und der Südschweiz). We would be very pleased if you would help us mark and transcribe these maps according to the instructions given in the tutorial. And don't worry: Especially marking and also transcribing are pretty easy! There is also no previous knowledge of Italian needed."

How to help out:
Try it out now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/filip-hr/VerbaAlpina and give us your feedback via this form https://forms.gle/qtpVpjvr5FNBcpNq8 (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).

Your feedback is extremely important to us when deciding whether to approve or reject a project. To date you have helped launch over 250 Zooniverse projects!

Thanks for all your help!

Grant & the Zooniverse Team
1220) Message boards : BOINC Manager : When I Click Add Project, There are No Projects (Message 100967)
Posted 5 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, in that case I do think it's related to the faulty code that was fixed in the issue I pointed to. In that case you'll have to contact the package maintainer for Arch and ask him to build a newer version with the bugfix included. We don't know which versions of files he added and didn't add, or which branch he used for building, you can name anything BOINC 7.16.10

Or use boinccmd to command the client. For commands, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool
1221) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem when upgrading to new version (Message 100966)
Posted 5 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Many, but the easiest is option 1 in https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_Installer_Error_1706:_Setup_cannot_find_the_required_files
1222) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100962)
Posted 4 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jan des Bouvrie, 78, Dutch architect, interior and product designer
1223) Message boards : BOINC Manager : When I Click Add Project, There are No Projects (Message 100961)
Posted 4 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is any of https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/BOINC of use to you? Like starting the BOINC client as a service?
1224) Message boards : GPUs : AMD Radeon RX 5600M (Message 100953)
Posted 4 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
His chosen GPU is also the weakest thus default not used
10/3/2020 3:05:20 PM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0 (ignored by config): AMD Radeon(TM) RX 5600M Series
so he'll need help adding use_all_gpus to cc_config.xml (which I can't do from my phone)
1225) Message boards : BOINC Manager : When I Click Add Project, There are No Projects (Message 100952)
Posted 4 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
he latest version of Boinc
which helps us absolutely nothing, as this can be anything from 7.0.0 to 7.16.11, depending on when your package manager decided to update the BOINC for your distribution. Please state the full version of your BOINC which can be found in Help About.

This bug should have been fixed not too long ago, in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/3954 but it requires both the boinc client and BOINC Manager to be running. You only state BOINC Manager is running, so check that your client is as well. If both are, this may still be bugged, but we need the version number for that.
1226) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 100917)
Posted 1 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting video: how Microsoft was nefarious in killing competition from the get-go: the Win 3.1 AARD code.

And while you're at it: 16 bit DOS viruses can still infect your Windows 10 computer ( at least, if it's 32bit)
1227) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 100909)
Posted 1 Oct 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those of you who like me live under a stone and missed it: Specs of the upcoming AMD RX 6000 XT series GPUs leaked onto the internet. My bead is still going for the RX 6900 XT next year.
1228) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 100898)
Posted 29 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
A New Exoplanet Project Launch: Planet Patrol

Greetings Zooniverse-ers --

Ready for more planet-finding fun? Try out Planet Patrol!

To learn about the project, here's a few words from the research team:

"Automated methods of processing data from the TESS planet-finding mission sometimes fail to catch imposters that look like exoplanets. The human eye, however, is extremely good at spotting such imposters. We need citizen scientists to help us distinguish between genuine planets and false positives, and to improve the efficiency of the automated vetting algorithms.

Analyzing some of the most exciting planet candidates is challenging. For example, planets like Earth are tiny compared to their parent star (about 1:100 size ratio) and have a long orbital period (1 transit per year), which means they would generate a weak signal in the data and be difficult to detect, vet, and ultimately confirm. Planet Patrol will help sift through TESS images of potential exoplanets by answering a set of questions for each. These questions will help narrow down the list of possible planets for further follow-up study."

Get involved and give the project a try -- visit:
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/marckuchner/planet-patrol

Thanks again for your continued help on all the Zooniverse projects!
Cliff and the Zooniverse Team
1229) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100897)
Posted 29 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Had the swabs, am home again, in lockdown until I have the outcome.

Negative. Phew. I'm free again... well, as far as our renewed country wide lockdown is allowing. As long as I can do dinner with Isa on Thursday, it's all fine with me.
Friday's my birthday, but she's not available then, so we've scheduled it for Thursday.
1230) Message boards : Android : Andriod Version development (Message 100888)
Posted 29 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there are no test binaries of it yet.

SD card:
It's impossible to do on non-rooted device because SD card by default has no execution permissions.
Besides, modern telephones have less and less optional SD card space, but instead come with 256GB and more of internal storage, all usable.

As for remote operation, Efmer is working on that.
1231) Message boards : Questions and problems : possible to use boinccmd --quit when multiple clients are running? (Message 100880)
Posted 28 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think boinccmd was ever optimized for use with multiple clients. I think you're stuck with using a GUI to exit that running client.
1232) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100876)
Posted 28 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Had the swabs, am home again, in lockdown until I have the outcome.
1233) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100875)
Posted 28 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah those, no room to go into, testing takes place while I sit in my car. Tenseness now, 50%.
1234) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100869)
Posted 27 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wish me luck, I have a corona test tomorrow due to having some fever spikes the past weeks. Yes, the past days (since Wednesday evening) I have been locked up in my flat, the walls are closing in on me. Not looking forward to the test as I understand it's pretty painful, but have to get through it otherwise I can't see my doctor.
1235) Message boards : GPUs : Specifications for NVidia RTX 30x0 range? (Message 100865)
Posted 26 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Errors may also be because of cheap components causing internal corruption in the 3080s made by third party manufacturers.
1236) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 100849)
Posted 24 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.alternate.nl/Grafische-kaarten/RTX-2080-SUPER
https://www.alternate.nl/Grafische-kaarten/RTX-2070-SUPER
https://www.alternate.nl/Grafische-kaarten/RTX-3080
https://www.alternate.nl/Grafische-kaarten/RTX-3090
1237) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 100847)
Posted 24 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dutch pricing has dropped for the Nvidia RTX 3090. Between €1,679 and €2,049
Prices for the RTX 3080 lie between €719 and €918

So much so for the price of the 3080 being on par with that of a 2080 Super, as those only cost €499-599 here. 2070 Super goes from €549-699
1238) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC install as a service: noob (Message 100846)
Posted 24 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a server, I have several regular domain desktops that sit idle 90% of the time.
You can repeat yourself ad nauseam and not answer anything, I don't care.

Do know that the BOINC service installation requires that you can make local accounts on the computer you install to.
That it will not work with domain logins.
That BOINC will need to be able to make its own limited user accounts, locally, and crucially, use them.
That BOINC will probably not work at all when the domain user is logged in - because using domain controller login.
1239) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100840)
Posted 23 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: Firefox for Android got a new update and changed further. Did I finally have my favorite links gathered together on the first page I opened, have they now made that page scrollable. Half the page is now not used and the swipe scroll only works once in six grabs. Highly irritating.

Fix the bugs not the one thing that worked!
1240) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC install as a service: noob (Message 100815)
Posted 21 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I never said I was trying to install via the network.. I am an Administrator on the domain.

No, but then you don't say how you are installing it either. So, do tell. Are you installing BOINC on the physical machine? Is that machine an AD or DC?
We can do twenty questions, guess etc. but why not just cut everyone off and tell what you are doing, how you are doing it and what you expect.

Else see here for hints.
1241) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 100814)
Posted 21 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Big gaming news: Microsoft is buying Zenimax/Bethesda Studios, known for things like Doom, Elderscrolls, Skyrim, Fallout.
1242) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC install as a service: noob (Message 100806)
Posted 21 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
...on the network? Are you trying to install BOINC via the network? Because I don't think you can do it that way, not as a service installation at least, that requires a local administrator account.
1243) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC install as a service: noob (Message 100804)
Posted 21 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you install BOINC as an administrator?
1244) Message boards : Questions and problems : 0% CPU usage on CentOS 7.7.1908 (Message 100803)
Posted 21 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I attached BOINC to Rosetta using my cross project id
I'm stuck at this... how do you add a project using your CPID? You only get that if you've got multiple projects added, and it's only used for statistics tracking.
1245) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100792)
Posted 20 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robert W. Gore, the inventor of Gore-Tex fabric, dead at 83
1246) Message boards : Projects : Mind Modeling Issue (Message 100789)
Posted 20 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what server version MindModeling project is using and if that makes a difference.
Database schema version: 27013, "update_4_15_2015".
1247) Message boards : Projects : Mind Modeling Issue (Message 100772)
Posted 17 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the project is greyed out that means you have added it via an account manager such as BAM, GridRepublic or Science United
1248) Message boards : The Lounge : CPUcoin scam? (Message 100769)
Posted 17 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
"Partenered" is perhaps too strong a word,
but I did talk with them about what they're doing.
So not a scam.
1249) Message boards : The Lounge : CPUcoin scam? (Message 100768)
Posted 16 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
3) The CPUcoin team seem to be willing to watch you run the specific named BOINC projects, and award you coin (no mention of how much).
They have a FAQ that mentions you will double your payout to 2 CPU per 24 hours. Whatever that means.

I asked David how, what. Let's see what he answers.
1250) Message boards : News : 7.16.11 client released (Message 100747)
Posted 14 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded that to the BOINC Dev email list and the developer (Charlie Fenton)
1251) Message boards : Android : Andriod Version development (Message 100734)
Posted 13 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues?q=Android+
1252) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 100719)
Posted 12 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could be worse...

1253) Message boards : Questions and problems : HOW BAM WORKS? (Message 100716)
Posted 12 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or use the account recovery option at https://www.boincstats.com/bam/accountRecovery
1254) Message boards : Questions and problems : Controlling Remote Machines (Message 100688)
Posted 10 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Both machines have <allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc> set in the cc_config.xml and my understanding was that this would allow me access from any location regardless of the contents of remote_hosts.cfg (which is empty).
Use the remote_hosts.cfg file with the DNS host names of the hosts, as these will not change.

See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely for more information.
1255) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I get my original screensaver back? (Message 100681)
Posted 10 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.howtogeek.com/225305/how-to-find-and-set-screen-savers-on-windows-10/
1256) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100680)
Posted 10 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ronald 'Khalis' Bell, 68, American singer, songwriter and saxophonist of Kool & the Gang.
1257) Message boards : BOINC client : Authentication error (Message 100678)
Posted 10 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can manually add a password into the file, something of your own. Doesn't need to be a whole sentence. No line feed at the end though.
1258) Message boards : BOINC client : Authentication error (Message 100672)
Posted 9 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you using your full account key or the weak account key?
Which directory are you running the command from? Does your BOINC Programs directory have a path into the environment path?

I just tested it for myself, have BOINC Manager open.
Did the command from the BOINC Programs directory (in my case, Windows, C:\Program Files\BOINC)

C:\Program Files\BOINC>boinccmd --project_attach http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org (my-key)


09/09/2020 17:59:00 |  | Setting up GUI RPC socket
09/09/2020 17:59:00 |  | Checking presence of 685 project files
09/09/2020 18:05:36 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | [sched_op] Fetching master file
09/09/2020 18:05:36 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | Fetching scheduler list
09/09/2020 18:05:38 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | [sched_op] Got master file; parsing
09/09/2020 18:05:38 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | [sched_op] Found 1 scheduler URLs in master file
09/09/2020 18:05:38 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | Master file download succeeded
09/09/2020 18:05:44 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | [sched_op] sched RPC pending: Project initialization
09/09/2020 18:05:44 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
09/09/2020 18:05:44 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.
09/09/2020 18:05:44 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | Requesting new tasks for CPU and AMD/ATI GPU
09/09/2020 18:05:44 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | [sched_op] CPU work request: 1.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
09/09/2020 18:05:44 | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 1.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
1259) Message boards : BOINC client : Authentication error (Message 100670)
Posted 9 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try
boinccmd --project_attach http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ <your account key>
1260) Message boards : Questions and problems : Device name in cc_config not working (Message 100668)
Posted 9 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
<cc_config>
<device_name>my-device-name.local</device_name>
</cc_config>

This isn't a good cc_config.xml file.

cc_config.xml uses the following structure:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
....
</log_flags>
<options>
....
</options>
</cc_config>

See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration for more information.

So in your case it's:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<device_name>my-device-name.local</device_name>
</options>
<cc_config>
1261) Message boards : BOINC client : Authentication error (Message 100666)
Posted 9 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which command do you use?
1262) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.16.11 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh (Message 100655)
Posted 8 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Testing is over, these clients have been released to the public as recommended.
1263) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 100649)
Posted 8 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bursts from Space is looking for volunteers to help them out.

What the researchers say:
"Fast Radio Bursts are massive bursts of radio energy we see from across (half) the universe. We call them Fast Radio Bursts because that's what we see - a brief millisecond 'burst' of energy in radio waves.

What are they? We don't know! But every burst we find tells us a little more about what's happening. We need to find these bursts!

Sounds easy right? Just look for bright bursts of radio. Unfortunately, we humans also like to make lots of really bright, really short radio signals. We need your help to sort through our data -- is it coming from humans, or from space?

We'll use your classifications to find more fast radio bursts and discover where they come from."
1264) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC is not working (Message 100648)
Posted 8 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC can make contact with anything that is not banned in china.
This doesn't tell me anything as I don't know what is and what isn't banned in China and how that portraits into communications in BOINC.

So.
BOINC Manager.
Tools
Add Project
In the Project URL type www.google.com
Hit Next
What is the outcome here?
(This page should be blocked)

What if you use weibo.com ?

Both of these aren't BOINC projects, while Google should be blocked and Weibo shouldn't. Does either here freeze the wizard?

If neither of those really freeze the manager, then it must be something in the scheduler contacts that does this and then I'll have to ask you to post this on the Github page for BOINC, so the developers can chime in. Just tell me if you can get to https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues (in a browser)
1265) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC is not working (Message 100646)
Posted 8 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So in other words, as soon as BOINC tries to make contact with anything outside of China, it freezes?
For a test, in the Add Project wizard, fill in any URL you can think of. Doesn't need to be a BOINC project. Local URLs, but also outside URLs, like www.google.com
Does that still freeze everything?
1266) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC is not working (Message 100644)
Posted 8 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And with freezes you mean what exactly?
No cursor blinking, can't type anything? Also not if you wait? Can you still use the Cancel button?
Are you using a VPN by chance? If so what if you disable it?
Do you use a third party antivirus or firewall solution? If so, which?
Does this only happen with Universe@home or also with other projects?
1267) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC is not working (Message 100642)
Posted 8 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't need VirtualBox for Universe@Home, so in this I agree with Dave, try uninstalling VirtualBox first (via your normal Windows Settings->Apps menu). Unless you plan to run one of the projects that supports VirtualBox, it's not necessary to install it.
1268) Message boards : Questions and problems : Input box is broken (Message 100641)
Posted 8 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you mean by input box?

Edit: Ah I see, let's continue all this in your other thread.
1269) Message boards : BOINC client : No suitable wxwidgets library found (Message 100626)
Posted 7 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Someone just posted Issue #4010 Boinc client code fails to compile on Ubuntu 20.04, was that you?
1270) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.16.11 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh (Message 100609)
Posted 5 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhile the forums seem to be removing whole threads on their own. For those reading and also missing certain threads in Q&P, no I didn't delete anything.

Edit: found the thread: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13948
It appears the original poster has deleted his account. Is the only reason I can come up with that his posts are gone. Apparently I struck a nerve and he didn't want to answer anything?
1271) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.16.11 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh (Message 100607)
Posted 5 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thankfully neither do I, so don't expect me to be an RM any time soon. 😜

But your code specifically didn't make it while due to the amount of hot air around it, it was one I was expecting. Especially because only the RM God knows when we'll see the light of day of a 7.18 (and then maybe not).
1272) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.16.11 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh (Message 100603)
Posted 5 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see your https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/3982 was moved to 7.18, so someone decided that in the meantime people can look in the registry to disable that setting when they set it.
1273) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client doesn't honor work queue setting (Message 100602)
Posted 5 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hence, I clarified in my reply that the server sent that much work after multiple requests.
Which I would still like to see the messages from. Preferably with the sched_op_debug flag set (so it showed the actual amount of seconds of work it was asking each time), but you probably didn't enable that flag.

Going back to your previous posts. Because you came into this thread with absolutely no information whatsoever about your system, or projects or a previous thread to point to. Everyone reading just has to guess what you're on about. So first things first:
The machine always has 32 threads busy 100% of the time.

In this post at WCG I think you state it's an 8 core Ryzen 7 1700, which does 16 threads. Are you running 32 threads still? How do you run 32 threads on it? Have you tried going back to 16 threads for the duration of X to see if that calms things down? What else have you done to remedy things? Or are you just adding debug flags left and right to see what they do?

if the client doesn't make a server request there won't be a server response to provide
But if the project severely underestimates the task length (with the rsc_est_fpops value per task), BOINC will look at the work it got in, decide that it wasn't enough and ask for more. That's not a bug in rr_sim or work_fetch_debug, but a project problem.

That other guy there saying As soon as I set OPN to unlimited, I downloaded about 9200 work units and then he blames the client. But the client will only ask for so much work and decide after it got in some of that work if more is needed per the estimated fpops value. Now, if a task comes in with an estimated fpops of 27 trillion, or it comes in at 2700... that's quite a difference (these are examples, I don't know the values that project sends for its tasks). Work requests are done based on the amount of seconds you set the cache for. The project then says "Here's work for that amount of time", which BOINC then checks for the amount of floating operations per second that the task takes. And if that value is woefully low, BOINC won't believe that it has enough work to fill that cache. So it will ask for more. Until it decides it has enough. And then when it's running, these tasks are way way longer than the estimated fpops said they would last. Which is when those problems start. Still, in that case not a client problem. (Run a round with cpu_sched_debug on all those tasks and post that output).

Einstein is one of the projects that always sends too much work on 'new' machines, or machines that haven't run it in a while. Richard is still looking into that and wants scheduler reports, communications from the client and responses from the server with sched_op_debug set. (But in a separate thread please)
1274) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client doesn't honor work queue setting (Message 100595)
Posted 4 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Look, I don't mind you having a rant and all that. We all have that now and then. But then say you're having a rant and that you don't want questions because you're not in the mood to answer them.

I asked my questions with a reason, I've not seen you answer them, so for all I know your mind is made up on it being a bug in rr_simulation, and in that case just go to Github and report it there.
1275) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc won't start running projects unless I un-check suspend (Message 100592)
Posted 4 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
For some reason this particular PC never starts projects with "Suspend when computer in use" is checked.
No matter what I set the "Suspend when non-Boinc CPU usage is above %."
What do you expect that to do then?
What does your Activity menu say?
Is anything on that computer keeping your computer busy, think mouse, keyboard, joystick, any other peripherals that may have minuscule movement and therefore are seen as 'in use'.
1276) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client doesn't honor work queue setting (Message 100591)
Posted 4 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Client attaches to project server and downloads 183 hours of work

Did you report this to the project? Sounds like their scheduler is over anxious sending you work.

The log isn't very useful. Would've been more useful to see the work request and response from the server.
Also remember, if this is a new client to the project, BOINC won't know yet how long tasks run for, the project only sends an estimated time along. If that estimated time is wildly wrong, BOINC can ask for more work than it can chew. But that's still something the project has to fix. Therefore, did you report this at the project?
1277) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.16.11 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh (Message 100590)
Posted 4 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume this is the same login as for the BOINC message board, but it says I have an invalid password. Should I be using a different login?

You assume wrong. As with everything BOINC, all sites have their own registration, thus their own password. Unless you registered with the same password of course. But you may not have registered yet, or when you did you used different credentials.

Testing duration depends on how many bugs are found and if people report these bugs. The Mac version has had several revisions already this round.
I haven't looked at the Windows version yet.
1278) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.16.11 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh (Message 100580)
Posted 3 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.16.11 for Windows and Macintosh are now both available for alpha testing, As usual, they are available from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php>

Please be sure to report test results to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php.

It is helpful if you also report problems to the BOINC Alpha email list.

This release has a number of bug fixes and added features since version 7.16.6, including:


  • Mac: Fixes to "Show graphics" and screensaver for MacOS 11 Big Sur
  • Don't let user attach to account manager as a project
  • Parse config.xml correctly for account managers
  • Client: allow specifying device name in cc_config.xml
  • Mac: Improved screensaver logic for OS 10.15 Catalina
  • Client: correctly initialize log flags to tasks, sched_ops, file_xfer
  • Manager: Added a warning when the manager detects a second copy of itself
  • Update translation files
  • Update project list
  • Client: measure disk usage in terms of allocated disk space, not file size
  • Client: avoid CPU starvation when GPU computing is suspended
  • Client: don't show "no work" messages as notices
  • Client: let a project master URL change from http: to https: without involving the user
  • Client: if AM reply includes a project we're attached to under a different account, honor the params in the AM reply, e.g resource share
  • Manager: change "Show graphics" button to "Stop graphics" when graphics running

1279) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100570)
Posted 2 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that's your dark theme that does that. I had that as well until I disabled the dark theme, then I was back at the white boards.
1280) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100568)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Erick Morillo, 49, Colombian-American DJ, music producer, and record label owner (1993 hit "I Like to Move It", which he produced under the pseudonym Reel 2 Real)
1281) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request - boinccmd - need to control amount of cores used during a specific time (--set_run_mode) (Message 100567)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
(That one was transferred from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/41 - a mere 13 years old. It'll probably get the right to vote and drink before it's implemented)
It came from SVN before that, so you can easily add another 5 years.
1282) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100556)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wait, what?
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
Where, when?
app_config.xml is still
<app_config>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
<max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.00000000000001</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

So how is it using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs?

Now setting:
<app_config>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
<max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.000000000000000000000000000000000001</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

01/09/2020 17:14:32 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:14:32 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.012 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:14:32 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 17:14:32 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 17:14:32 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 17:14:32 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:14:32 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 34560.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:14:33 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
01/09/2020 17:14:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 17:14:33 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 17:14:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 0 seconds
01/09/2020 17:14:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total AMD/ATI GPU task duration: 30462 seconds
01/09/2020 17:14:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 17:14:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched

01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.012 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
---> 01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.00 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:14:33 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: files downloaded
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: files downloaded
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: files downloaded
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.012 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 10153.88: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/4.15G)
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 20307.76: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20388692_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/4.15G)
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 30461.63: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389150_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/4.15G)
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] Assigning ATI instance 0 to de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0
---> 01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | Starting task de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0
01/09/2020 17:14:35 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20389151_0 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
01/09/2020 17:14:35 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end

So it's ignoring about everything in the app_config.xml now.
1283) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100554)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, because it did get work again and ran that fine. It's now out of work yet again. But never what Bill was after, that it has the application, but doesn't ask for work for it:

01/09/2020 17:00:03 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:00:03 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:01:04 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:01:04 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:02:04 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:02:04 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:03:04 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:03:04 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:04:04 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:04:04 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:05:04 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:05:04 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:05:04 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 17:05:04 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 17:05:04 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 17:05:04 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:05:04 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 34560.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: search_name
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: search_id
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: position
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: parameters
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: search_name
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: search_id
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: position
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: parameters
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: search_name
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: search_id
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: position
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [unparsed_xml] WORKUNIT::parse(): unrecognized: parameters
01/09/2020 17:05:05 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
01/09/2020 17:05:05 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 17:05:05 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 17:05:05 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 0 seconds
01/09/2020 17:05:05 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total AMD/ATI GPU task duration: 32340 seconds
01/09/2020 17:05:05 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 17:05:05 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.00 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:05:05 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: files downloaded
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: files downloaded
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: files downloaded
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 10779.30: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42130.80G/3.91G)
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 21559.47: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42134.20G/3.91G)
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 32339.84: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.91G)
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] Assigning ATI instance 0 to de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | Starting task de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0
01/09/2020 17:05:07 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
01/09/2020 17:05:07 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:05:10 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:05:10 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:05:10 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 10627.94: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (41582.68G/3.91G)
01/09/2020 17:05:10 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 21396.84: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42134.20G/3.91G)
01/09/2020 17:05:10 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 32165.94: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.91G)
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 4050.69: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (15930.71G/3.93G)
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 14764.11: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42134.20G/3.93G)
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 25477.73: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.93G)
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0
01/09/2020 17:06:08 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:06:08 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:06:11 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:06:11 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:06:11 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 3670.29: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (14449.55G/3.94G)
01/09/2020 17:06:11 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 14372.68: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42134.20G/3.94G)
01/09/2020 17:06:11 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 25075.28: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.94G)
01/09/2020 17:06:41 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:06:41 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:06:41 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 0.00: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (0.00G/3.95G)
01/09/2020 17:06:41 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 10669.41: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42134.20G/3.95G)
01/09/2020 17:06:41 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 21339.02: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.95G)
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: application exited
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | Computation for task de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0 finished
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: handle_finished_apps
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 10669.41: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42134.20G/3.95G)
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 21339.02: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.95G)
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] Assigning ATI instance 0 to de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | Starting task de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1
01/09/2020 17:06:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
01/09/2020 17:06:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:06:46 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:06:46 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:06:46 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 10531.23: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (41588.52G/3.95G)
01/09/2020 17:06:46 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 21200.84: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.95G)
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 3918.53: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (15569.90G/3.97G)
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 14522.79: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.97G)
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1
01/09/2020 17:07:43 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:07:43 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:07:46 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:07:46 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 3537.45: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (14055.71G/3.97G)
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 14141.71: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.97G)
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:07:46 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 20418.29 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:07:48 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 17:07:48 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 17:07:48 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 17:07:48 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] handle_scheduler_reply(): got ack for task de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20384419_0
01/09/2020 17:07:48 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 17:07:48 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 17:07:54 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:07:54 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:07:54 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 2648.29: de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (10533.55G/3.98G)
01/09/2020 17:07:54 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 13241.63: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.98G)
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: application exited
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | Computation for task de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1 finished
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: handle_finished_apps
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 10571.80: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (42135.00G/3.99G)
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] Assigning ATI instance 0 to de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | Starting task de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1
01/09/2020 17:08:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:08:19 |  | [rr_sim] already did at this time
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 4088.14: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (16393.15G/4.01G)
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 (MD: no; UTS: no)
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1
01/09/2020 17:09:19 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.95 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:09:19 |  | [rr_sim] already did at this time
01/09/2020 17:09:24 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:09:24 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:09:24 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 3460.75: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (13891.38G/4.01G)
01/09/2020 17:09:24 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 17:09:24 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 17:09:24 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
01/09/2020 17:09:24 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 17:09:24 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:09:24 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 31099.25 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 17:09:25 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 17:09:25 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 17:09:25 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 17:09:25 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] handle_scheduler_reply(): got ack for task de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18565772_1
01/09/2020 17:09:25 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 17:09:25 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 17:09:30 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:09:30 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:09:30 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 2711.68: de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finishes (0.95 CPU + 1.00 AMD/ATI GPU) (10895.85G/4.02G)
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: application exited
01/09/2020 17:09:58 | Milkyway@Home | Computation for task de_modfit_86_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_18287751_1 finished
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: handle_finished_apps
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.00 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 17:09:58 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 17:10:01 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:10:01 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
1284) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100552)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, doing
<app_config>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
<max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.00000000000001</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>
Exit & Restart:
01/09/2020 16:58:26 | Milkyway@Home | Found app_config.xml

01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: Not idle
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.00 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:58:26 |  | [rr_sim] already did at this time
01/09/2020 16:58:26 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 16:58:26 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 16:58:26 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
01/09/2020 16:58:26 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 16:58:26 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 16:58:26 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 34560.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
01/09/2020 16:58:28 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 16:58:28 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 16:58:28 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 16:58:28 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] handle_scheduler_reply(): got ack for task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2
01/09/2020 16:58:28 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 16:58:28 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 16:58:33 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:58:33 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:59:33 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:59:33 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 17:00:03 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 17:00:03 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.011 active_frac 0.989
Waiting till end of renewed 3-10 minutes back-off.
1285) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100551)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyway, queue is empty, am on a 3-10 minute back-off.
That other than in properties of the project we don't say anywhere that we're doing that? Is this to obscurify BOINC further?
1286) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100550)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow, what a mess
01/09/2020 16:51:36 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: application exited
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | Computation for task de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 finished
01/09/2020 16:51:36 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: handle_finished_apps
01/09/2020 16:51:36 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 16:51:36 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 16:51:36 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 0.00: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (0.00G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 16:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 34560.00 seconds; 0.50 devices
01/09/2020 16:51:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: application exited
01/09/2020 16:51:37 | Milkyway@Home | Computation for task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 finished
01/09/2020 16:51:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: handle_finished_apps
01/09/2020 16:51:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 16:51:37 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 16:51:37 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:51:38 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 16:51:38 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 16:51:38 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
Couldn't wait that 1 second eyh to report 2 finished tasks?

Anyway, queue is empty, am on a 3-10 minute back-off.
01/09/2020 16:52:38 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:52:38 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:53:13 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:53:13 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.00 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 16:53:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 16:53:38 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:53:38 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.00 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 16:54:37 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
01/09/2020 16:54:38 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:54:38 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
1287) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100549)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And
01/09/2020 16:50:53 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: Core client configuration
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 4287.16: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (15931.60G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 4287.16: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (15931.60G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 0.500000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 0.500000 of coproc ATI
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] add to run list: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 (AMD/ATI GPU, FIFO) (prio -1.019634)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 1: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] 1: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 0.500000 pending for de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 0.500000 pending for de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 0.500000 instance for de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 0.500000 instance for de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1
01/09/2020 16:50:54 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.80 out of 11 CPUs
01/09/2020 16:50:54 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end
1288) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100548)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
With just <max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent> and an empty queue?
I'll test that.

Edit:
01/09/2020 16:48:48 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:48:48 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:48:48 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 11184.54: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (41563.12G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:48:48 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 11185.45: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (41566.52G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:49:08 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:49:08 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 9955.56: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (36996.11G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 9965.23: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (37032.01G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 2 completed tasks
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 16:49:08 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 24599.61 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 16:49:09 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 16:49:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 16:49:09 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 16:49:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] handle_scheduler_reply(): got ack for task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20200361_1
01/09/2020 16:49:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] handle_scheduler_reply(): got ack for task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20200357_1
01/09/2020 16:49:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 16:49:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 16:49:15 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: work fetch
01/09/2020 16:49:15 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:49:15 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 9539.27: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (35449.12G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:49:15 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 9548.90: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (35484.90G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:49:45 |  | [rr_sim] doing sim: CPU sched
01/09/2020 16:49:45 |  | [rr_sim] start: work_buf min 17280 additional 17280 total 34560 on_frac 0.010 active_frac 0.989
01/09/2020 16:49:45 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 7413.53: de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20188681_1 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (27549.60G/3.72G)
01/09/2020 16:49:45 | Milkyway@Home | [rr_sim] 7458.42: de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20331964_2 finishes (0.40 CPU + 0.50 AMD/ATI GPU) (27716.40G/3.72G)
1289) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100546)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, had a 10 minute back-off and then:
01/09/2020 15:51:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 15:51:33 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 15:51:33 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 15:51:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:51:33 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 34560.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:51:34 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 4 new tasks
01/09/2020 15:51:34 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 15:51:34 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 15:51:34 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 0 seconds
01/09/2020 15:51:34 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total AMD/ATI GPU task duration: 59682 seconds
01/09/2020 15:51:34 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 15:51:34 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 15:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_84_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20090669_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
01/09/2020 15:51:36 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_80_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20111038_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 1

So <max_concurrent>0>/max_concurrent> doesn't help.

Perhaps if you also set <gpu> and <cpu> to 0?
Hmmm
<app_config>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
<max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>
gives
01/09/2020 15:54:55 | Milkyway@Home | Found app_config.xml
01/09/2020 15:54:55 | Milkyway@Home | gpu_usage must be positive in app_config.xml

Exiting BOINC.
Restarting: it runs 2 tasks as before.
01/09/2020 15:57:01 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Restarting task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20090486_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 1
01/09/2020 15:57:01 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Restarting task de_modfit_81_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20276250_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
So it just remembers what it did first here.
1290) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Reinstalled-- Scheduler request pending (Message 100545)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have installed BOINC on a new computer, using the most recent application.6.844
What do you mean with this number?
BOINC does not connect with my existing projects.

It persistently shows status as "Scheduler Request pending".

I have added BOINC to the Whitelist on Window's 10 FIrewall.

Any suggestions?

Several: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=8600
1291) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100543)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And it's out of work. Requesting work but not getting any. I don't know the mysteries of the MW scheduler well enough if this is normal or not.

01/09/2020 15:34:04 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 15:34:04 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 15:34:04 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 2 completed tasks
01/09/2020 15:34:04 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 15:34:04 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:34:04 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 18575.63 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:34:06 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 15:34:06 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 15:34:06 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 15:35:42 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 15:35:42 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 15:35:42 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 2 completed tasks
01/09/2020 15:35:42 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 15:35:42 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:35:42 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 26386.49 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:35:43 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 15:35:43 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 15:35:43 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 15:37:54 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 15:37:54 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 15:37:54 | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 2 completed tasks
01/09/2020 15:37:54 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 15:37:54 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:37:54 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 34560.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:37:55 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
01/09/2020 15:37:55 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 15:37:55 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
1292) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to disable applications in the app_config file? (Message 100542)
Posted 1 Sep 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I tested it on Milkyway:

<app_config>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
<max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.4</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

Then told BOINC to reread these lines. Then allowed Milkyway to fetch work. Which it did.
And is now running 2 tasks...

01/09/2020 15:26:54 |  | Re-reading cc_config.xml
01/09/2020 15:26:54 | Milkyway@Home | Found app_config.xml
01/09/2020 15:27:05 | Milkyway@Home | work fetch resumed by user
01/09/2020 15:27:07 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
01/09/2020 15:27:07 | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
01/09/2020 15:27:07 | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
01/09/2020 15:27:07 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
01/09/2020 15:27:09 | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 4 new tasks
01/09/2020 15:27:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
01/09/2020 15:27:09 | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
01/09/2020 15:27:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 0 seconds
01/09/2020 15:27:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] estimated total AMD/ATI GPU task duration: 73196 seconds
01/09/2020 15:27:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:31
01/09/2020 15:27:09 | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
01/09/2020 15:27:12 | Milkyway@Home | Starting task de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20143257_1
01/09/2020 15:27:12 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20143257_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
01/09/2020 15:27:12 | Milkyway@Home | Starting task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20343128_0
01/09/2020 15:27:12 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Starting task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20343128_0 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 1

For completeness I then exited BOINC and restarted it.
During an apparent client crash (all screens were white, nothing happened for a minute) it got in two new MW tasks.
Exited and restarted BOINC again.

Still running two tasks. 6 in total in cache.
01/09/2020 15:29:47 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Restarting task de_modfit_83_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20143257_1 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 0
01/09/2020 15:29:47 | Milkyway@Home | [cpu_sched] Restarting task de_modfit_82_bundle4_4s_south4s_bgset_3_1596028202_20343128_0 using milkyway version 146 (opencl_ati_101) in slot 1


Edit: but maybe it takes a while. It's now running the last two tasks and while it's asking for work it's not getting any.
1293) Message boards : Questions and problems : Need to limit upload rate on new computer (Message 100525)
Posted 29 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You might change <max_tasks_reported>N</max_tasks_reported> to <max_tasks_reported>1</max_tasks_reported>
to prevent BOINC from hogging your bandwidth and preventing web pages from loading.
Nice, but reporting doesn't use bandwidth like uploading does. And uploading can be curtailed, just as downloading, via the preferences: Options->Computing preferences->Network->Limit download rate and limit upload rate.

Uploading moves a physical file from your hard drive to a hard drive at the server. Depending on the size of this file and the speed of the user's internet and that of the project, this can take absolute ages.
Reporting tells the server's database what the outcome of the task was. If one reports several tens or hundreds of tasks at the same time this may be problematic for the server's database to accept, especially when lots of other computers try this at the same time as well. The size of the report file may then be in the mere tens of megabytes, but the file itself isn't uploaded (as in moved from your hard drive to the server's hard drive), only its contents are sent directly to the database.

I've had connection problems in the past, usually because I had two computers on the network with P2P software open which both opened a mass of ports, as each connection uses its own port. The fix here was to decrease the amount of connections each P2P client was allowed to use.
1294) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100504)
Posted 27 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
We’re listening to conversations happening within the Mozilla community and in the world at large, and are paying attention when people tell us that some terms we use in Firefox exclude and damage people.
In other words, those pesky adblockers that block everything must go. It's very weird that uBlock Origin had an extension ready at launch time (in July) and that we're now at the end of August and other blockers still aren't updated. But then uBlock doesn't block all adverts, it allows some that it considers 'needed'.
1295) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100478)
Posted 26 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably, but the hardware it runs on must be OK. Especially server hardware doesn't like it when one moment it's full on and the next off. So I do hope they had a good UPS when the power outage started to be able to power down everything gradually.
1296) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100470)
Posted 25 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN head honcho wrote:

Hi All,

Just to give you an update on this: the project continues to be offline. A power outage across parts of Oxford on Thursday caused by a tree falling on power lines took out power to the machine room where the project's servers are based. Power was restored to the machine room, however the Department of Engineering IT Support have since had a lot of problems restoring the network to the machines based there. As a result the project continues to be offline. Engineering IT Support are continuing to work on the issue and will update us when they have more information.

Best regards,

Andy
1297) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100466)
Posted 25 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup, either there, or it's in the keyboard.
1298) Message boards : Projects : Collatz: Can't sent password reset email (Message 100449)
Posted 24 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're welcome.
Yes, that's a hidden feature, logging in with the account key. :)
1299) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100446)
Posted 24 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked and got the following back:


Hi Jord,

There is no news I am afraid. The Engineering Department IT Support is working on bringing services online. Access to the department is very limited due to access limitations put in place due to the Coronavirus. So at the moment we are very much in the hands of Engineering IT Support.

Best regards,

Andy
1300) Message boards : Projects : Collatz: Can't sent password reset email (Message 100443)
Posted 24 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you have added it already in BOINC, you can use your account key to log in.
In that case go to your BOINC data directory, open account_boinc.thesonntags.com_collatz.xml with Notepad, copy the 32 character hexadecimal value between <authenticator></authenticator>. Then go to https://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/login_form.php, fill in your email address and for the pasword paste the 32 character hexadecimal key and click Login. Presto. You can now change your password again. And remember that.
1301) Message boards : Projects : User interface problem with BOINC Manager (Message 100440)
Posted 24 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Options->Other options...->check Enable Manager exit dialog?->save
1302) Message boards : Questions and problems : Waiting for Memory - but there is a much free and unrestrictive settings (Message 100431)
Posted 24 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're returning only errors on LHC. I found your system there, 109 erroneous CMS tasks. Best go ask on their forums what's up with that. It's possible their memory requirements changed and that you cannot run 10, 16 or 32 tasks at the same time with only 32GB of memory.
1303) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy Birthday BOINC (Message 100429)
Posted 24 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
18 years old.
Attagirl, I knew you could do it.
Here's to many more years...

The BOINC News Archive wrote:
BOINC is under development. The basic features are working on UNIX platforms. We plan to release the first public application of BOINC later this year.
24 Aug 2002, 0:00:00 UTC

(Original thread)
1304) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100407)
Posted 22 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mozilla Firefox on Android changed to a completely new browser. Which meant I immediately lost my extensions - because no updates for the ones I use - and the top sites I used. It will also keep all tabs open when I close the browser. They say it's quicker than the previous one, so why am I waiting for over 15 seconds per page for something to load?
Can't go back to a previous version either, because then it will make a new user ID and I have to start over again anyway.
I don't mind making new apps, but make sure you finish it before you release it. Now it feels like Breakpoint, which is still broken on all sides. I'm about to ditch FF for Chrome.
1305) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100398)
Posted 21 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The cookies for older threads will eventually decay, making old threads that are still open pop up like new threads. Happens to me too.
1306) Message boards : Server programs : Armbian boinc doesn't download tasks (Message 100377)
Posted 21 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
See which applications they have, or ask on their forums.
1307) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100371)
Posted 21 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Brrr, the official English translation of the explanation blurb for the Dutch Corona virus app is bad. I automatically read it with a heavy accented voice in my head.

CoronaMelder is the official Dutch coronavirus notification app, developed under supervision by the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport. The app digitally helps Municipal Public Health Service’s (GGD) with their source and contact research.

The app warns you when you’ve been near someone who has coronavirus. That way, you can protect yourself and the people around you. And we can keep the number of infections in The Netherlands as low as possible. Using this app isn’t mandatory. But the more people use the app, the better it works.

During the development of this app, we took accessibility into account. See our accessibility statement for more information.

How does the app work?

You only give access to your Bluetooth data
CoronaMelder uses Bluetooth to see when you’re near other people who have the app. The app doesn’t use any personal or location data. So it doesn’t know who you are or where you’ve been.

You get a notification after you’ve experienced a higher risk of infection
The app sends you a notification when you've been near someone for at least 15 minutes who later turns out to have corona. That person must be using the app as well.

You can warn others if you turn out to be infected yourself
Did you test positive for the virus by the GGD? You can then use the app to warn the people you’ve been around during the time you were contagious. This warning is completely anonymous as well.

What makes the app safe and anonymous?
* You don’t have to enter any personal data like your name or email address.
* All contacts are anonymous. If you run into someone, your phones exchange random codes using Bluetooth. This is how the app measures the duration and the distance of the contact. The codes never includes information about who you are and where you’ve been.
* The codes you exchange via Bluetooth are only saved on your phone. They’re automatically deleted after 14 days.
* App users cannot be traced by the app’s makers, the government or other users. Everyone is always anonymous. Both the infected people sending out a warning with the app and the people getting this notification
1308) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 100362)
Posted 20 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton, Mac developer wrote:
I've released BOINC 7.16.9 for alpha testing. This is a Macintosh-only release, and as usual is available from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php. Please report test results to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php or this email list.

The main purpose of this release is to fix some issues with displaying graphics under the soon to be released MacOS 11 Big Sur.

One of the issues under MacOS 11 is that, when you click the Manager's "Show graphics" button, the graphics app's close button is disabled. (This will be fixed in future builds of the graphics apps.)

As a workaround, the "Show graphics" button now changes to "Stop graphics" while the graphics app is running, providing a convenient way to close it. (As before, you can also close it by doing a control-click on the graphic app's Dock icon and selecting "quit.")

This release has a number of other bug fixes and added features since version 7.16.6, including:


  • Don't let user attach to account manager as a project
  • Parse config.xml correctly for account managers
  • Client: allow specifying device name in cc_config.xml
  • Mac: Improved screensaver logic for OS 10.15 Catalina
  • Client: correctly initialize log flags to tasks, sched_ops, file_xfer
  • Manager: Added a warning when the manager detects a second copy of itself
  • Update translation files
  • Update project list
  • Client: measure disk usage in terms of allocated disk space, not file size
  • Client: avoid CPU starvation when GPU computing is suspended
  • Client: don't show "no work" messages as notices
  • Client: let a project master URL change from http: to https: without involving the user
  • Client: if AM reply includes a project we're attached to under a different account, honor the params in the AM reply, e.g resource share
    * Manager: change "Show graphics" button to "Stop graphics" when graphics running



Cheers,
--Charlie

1309) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100359)
Posted 20 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Power outage affecting CPDN

Hi All,

There is currently a power outage across different areas of Oxford. The result of this is that all our servers are now offline and the project is currently unreachable. When power is restored, I will bring back all the services.

Best regards,

Andy
1310) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc is repeatedly trying to work out what tasks to download. (Message 100327)
Posted 17 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wrong comparison, as to show that your gauge is still full, a floater floats on top of the gasoline in the tank. It measures constantly how much gasoline is still in the tank.

Same thing with BOINC doing calculations in the background on how much work there still is and which projects are next eligible to be asked work for. Because when else do you want BOINC to do that? Don't say when the cache is empty because if BOINC is not allowed to do these calculations in the background it never knows if something is needed or not.
1311) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc is repeatedly trying to work out what tasks to download. (Message 100322)
Posted 17 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC does that in the background, just as it recalculates every 10 seconds which projects/tasks are eligible to run next. But you don't see that. You only see that by enabling the debug flags.
You have work_fetch_debug on. Turn it off and those message go away. Using the debug flag costs more CPU than allowing it to do those processes unprinted in the background.
1312) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100304)
Posted 13 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but for that I don't use a program to set my RGB. Just explained that to them as well. I have set it via the BIOS, as I use the RGB controller on the motherboard. I do that because the controller that came with my case was broken when the case came and the arrival of the replacement took over two months. By that time I wasn't interested anymore to exchange the controller and plug everything into the case controller, then go fiddle with software. So the only option for me to disable RGB here... is to unplug stuff and I don't think that's a good idea.

And besides, the past hours I have tested things. Played the game in various resolutions, and I only immediately have problems when putting it in 4K (even at Very High). No trouble at 2560 or 1920, until.... I fly the drone in the game around. Then all chaos breaks loose.
1313) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100302)
Posted 13 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And then because I don't want to disable the RGB without any good given reason, they refuse to help me any further. Can someone explain to me how the RGB anywhere in a computer or on any peripherals interferes with the drawing of a game on a monitor?

I'll go advise that to the next person coming here with BOINC trouble. "Yes, disable all your RGB and try again." ...
1314) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100301)
Posted 13 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: Since Update 2.1.0 of Ghost Recon Breakpoint I can no longer play the game in 4K. Not even half that. No even at 1920x1080 I have stuttering trouble, both in DirectX and Vulkan.
So after the forums couldn't help me any more, they sent me to tech support. I followed their initial things such as Update & Repair Windows, reinstall files, the usual stuff.

And then came....
"In the meantime, I also recommend disabling any RGB lights you might have from your motherboard and other components. Make sure to also turn them off via the RGB controller software and service."

What? You sent me an update to the game. It broke my gaming experience. And since that time I had to repair and reinstall all kinds of things in my software and now you want me to remove RGB?
What? Why? What extreme garbage has your game become that the RGB on my motherboard, GPU, water cooling, fans, probably keyboard, mouse and headphones as well.... interferes with your game in such a way that I have severe FPS drops, drops to as low as 5 FPS...
What?
1315) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed: process exited with status 1: Operation not permitted - Ubuntu Linux 20.04.1LTS (Message 100298)
Posted 12 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps read through http://www.amdusers.com/forum/showthread.php/11750-Ubuntu-20-04 for information?
1316) Message boards : Questions and problems : XBOX console version of BOINC (Message 100293)
Posted 12 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If it runs a normal version of Windows (8 or 10) and has normal hardware (recognizable x86 or x64 CPU) then why would it need a special app?

Unless you mean a science app but you'll really need to ask the appointed projects for that.
1317) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100291)
Posted 12 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Trini Lopez, 83, American singer and guitarist, If I had a hammer, Lemon Tree and La Bamba.
1318) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Combined Statistics -How to register? (Message 100270)
Posted 10 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this website: https://boinc.netsoft-online.com/ a part of BOINC?
No it isn't. It's a third party statistics website.
1319) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100266)
Posted 10 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Martin Birch, 71, British record producer and sound engineer, engineering and producing albums by British rock bands including Deep Purple, Rainbow, Fleetwood Mac, Whitesnake, Black Sabbath, Blue Öyster Cult, and Iron Maiden.
1320) Message boards : Questions and problems : SRBase suddenly not requesting CPU tasks (Message 100258)
Posted 9 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BURP still exists, but is in hibernation as well. From Janus, its admin:
quick update on the current situation:
- Blender 2.80 was ready and deployed to the farm
- Corona virus took 2020 out of the calendar
- BURP is essentially in maintenance mode until the end of the year
1321) Message boards : Questions and problems : SUNET - first impressions (Message 100234)
Posted 7 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, something I didn't expect. The site is hosted by... drum roll: Alibaba.com (but then the Chinese setup, Google can't translate the page because it can't get there).
1322) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug? Prefix option not honored in client compilation (Message 100233)
Posted 7 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would liked you to put that through to Github immediately, yes. No need to dawdle here. :)
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
1323) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BSOD - Memory Management (Message 100226)
Posted 6 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Although bad memory isn't usually the case. I've had systems that threw bad memory codes - by just running Windows, not even stress it out - and upon returning the memory and getting new, I had the exact same trouble. For me it disappeared when I changed the motherboard (which was tested by the manufacturer and deemed not broken). Memory troubles are very notorious to figure out, as Windows will just throw one because memory is addressed outside of a scope it likes. Or because any application that runs is using memory and there's no specific code for whatever happened there, so the nearest error is used, which is memory.
1324) Message boards : Questions and problems : Science United & BOINC | Questions about BOINC behavior (Message 100222)
Posted 6 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The path to your data directory is shown in the event log messages:
Mon Aug 3 22:44:54 2020 | | Data directory: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data

It may be a hidden directory under MacOS as well.
1325) Message boards : Questions and problems : SUNET - first impressions (Message 100212)
Posted 4 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I still think they secretly want you to type the extra 's'... yeah, look that one up. :D
1326) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100207)
Posted 3 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting, Minecraft@Home website is up, front page as well, can reach my and other accounts. But the forums give a Gateway Timeout.
1327) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 100206)
Posted 3 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But then again, the whole of SETI (and BOINC, for that matter) is very strange at the moment.
Oi!
1328) Message boards : GPUs : second gpu not in uses (Message 100201)
Posted 3 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also current version of BOINC for Windows is 7.16.7 I would upgrade to the latest version otherwise you might have issues connecting to certain projects.
Current BOINC still has the lack of default log flags bug though, and some other irritations. As far as I know, 7.10.2 is the minimum version people would need to not have trouble with the certificates. Some of the projects have a workaround at the server level.
1329) Message boards : GPUs : second gpu not in uses (Message 100200)
Posted 3 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But some GPU projects require CUDA drivers, not just OpenCL.
Psst, he has two AMD cards. They don't do CUDA. :-)

I would at this time remove the cc_config.xml file and start over.
Open Notepad.
Copy the following lines:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
And paste these into Notepad.
Then do File->Save As...
Type the name cc_config.xml
Press on the "Text Documents" bar and choose "All Files (*.*)" from the drop down option.
Make sure that Encoding is ANSI
And Save this file to C:\Programdata\BOINC\

Next exit BOINC (Manager) and restart it in the normal way. Do make sure you stop running processes on exiting BOINC Manager.

If the above doesn't do it, then I don't know.
1330) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not able to join - E-mail error??? (Message 100190)
Posted 3 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you use a proxy or VPN, or are you behind a (company) firewall?
1331) Message boards : GPUs : second gpu not in uses (Message 100182)
Posted 2 Aug 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where did you save it to?
What did you make it with?
Did you save it with ANSI encoding?
Did you make sure the extension of the file is just .XML, not that it has the (by default by Windows hidden extension) .TXT extension as well?
1332) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100166)
Posted 31 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Alan Parker, 76, British film maker (Bugsy Malone, Evita, Fame, Midnight Express, The Wall)
1333) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc not suspending GPU while in use (Message 100161)
Posted 30 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is another thing as well: security.

Under Windows we measure idle time with a dedicated small program that constantly runs in the background (boinctray.exe) for your user account. And for any other account you gave permission to control BOINC. BOINC Manager itself also has code on board to check for idle time. Since the mouse and keyboard processes run under your user account in Windows, it's easy to check these.

Under Linux that's a difficult thing to do, because mouse and keyboard run under a different process than BOINC or even your user account. Last I heard we measure idle time by checking X server, but that doesn't work the same under all Linux distributions. And once the developers made it working for one distro, others will fail again. There's no single easy check or API to fall back to, because every distro handles idle time differently and to go code If strings for all different distros is undoable.
1334) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100157)
Posted 28 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So you want to report a bug to Ubisoft, but have noticed their moderators haven't been in their forums the past 5 days. What do you do then?
I tried reverting to Support. Logging in, making a ticket. Only to be stopped by a message saying "In the light of the current situation, we are restricting our support to Live Chat only"

The Submit my Support Case option is greyed out... but then so is the Start Chat option, because....
"Chat is current unavailable. Please choose another support method."

Yes. Sure.
1335) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100149)
Posted 27 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Kansai Yamamoto, 76, Japanese fashion designer, known for his avant-garde collections and career-defining collaboration with David Bowie.
1336) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 100146)
Posted 26 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Olivia de Havilland, 104, Japanese born British-American actress, Gone with the Wind
1337) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC unusually freezing when trying to sign into a project (Message 100107)
Posted 24 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's possible you have a corrupt installation. At this point I would uninstall BOINC and reinstall it, possibly to another drive, but at least another directory.

You can also try a reboot. Those fix the weirdest of glitches.
1338) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC unusually freezing when trying to sign into a project (Message 100105)
Posted 23 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, what if you make your account via https://minecraftathome.com/minecrafthome/signup.php and then use the "Existing user" option in the add project wizard?

And same for Milkyway: https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/signup.php

And by the way, I don't know what you're doing in the video. You have a cursor blinking at the Make new account option but you just move your mouse around. What happens there then? And what are you waving your mouse around on the Windows Task Manager?
1339) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't login (Message 100103)
Posted 23 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I tried to create a new account it complained that my user name already existed.
Which project was this with, World Community Grid? Because they are about the only ones I know where a unique username is required. All other projects the email address is unique, but everyone can call themselves Jord.
1340) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC unusually freezing when trying to sign into a project (Message 100102)
Posted 23 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay thanks.
I'm still confused by your first sentence though.
I just installed boinc and when I tried to connect to my first project, typing or clicking anywhere in the window froze the window, and my mouse disappeared when I hovered over the application even though it was priority.
Can you explain this better, or make a video?

What do you mean with freeze? Is there nothing visible in the BOINC Manager window? Because then you'll have to check if the client is running.
BOINC consists of two main parts, BOINC Manager (the GUI) and BOINC (the client). You control and command the client with the GUI, but when the client isn't running (which happens), BOINC manager will stay empty. One fix is to make sure the client will run, in BOINC Manager go Options->Other options->make sure "Run the client?" is checked.
1341) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC unusually freezing when trying to sign into a project (Message 100098)
Posted 23 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
With information like this it's difficult to get anywhere. Could you please state:
1. which project(s) you tried that you have the problem with?
2. what system you have? You don't just have Windows 10, it runs on something.
3. the exact version of BOINC. You can see in this thread how to get that information and what other possible info you can give. Not 40-100 lines of messages because they won't show anything (unless a helper here tells you to enable a debug flag).
1342) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master password too short? (Message 100096)
Posted 23 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
#3945 "Enlarge default generated password to be 32 symbols long"
Looks like the devs thought that too. :)
1343) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Not Suspending during Computer Use (Message 100094)
Posted 23 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And yes, I do note it kicks in sometime when you don't want it to,. particularity noticeable when using my virtual reality headset! If I forget to shut it down before donning my HMD then three minutes into a VR session it gets very vomit inducing as the headset lags all over the place!
Use the exclusive applications option to set that BOINC is completely paused as long as program X is in memory.
1344) Message boards : The Lounge : Let's talk politics (Message 100090)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
With things like Trump to send 'surge' of hundred of federal agents to cities happening in the USA, I wonder how long before you have another civil war at your hands. I know they're taking down Antifa and other crap who will plunder and destroy whatever comes their way, or as the BBC calls it civil disorder. But besides Antifa and the Marxist BLM organization, there's also more peaceful demonstrators out there.

So, and let's keep it civil in here as well, what do you think?
1345) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100089)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Minecraft is back
1346) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100081)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Minecraft@Home is down for maintenance. Hopefully fixing the database trouble they had earlier. Or maybe updating to server version 1.2.1
1347) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100077)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
In reply to the certificate error on Seti@Home:

Eric Korpela, Seti main dev wrote:
We're in the process of swapping web servers and the cert generation hasn't caught up yet. I expect that it will be in place in the next day or so.
1348) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing start tag in cc_config.xml (Message 100075)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So for completeness, I made an app_config.xml, saved it as UTF-8 from Notepad in Windows 10, 2004.
Added into it:
<app_config>
<app>
<name>kaktwoos</name>
<max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent>
</app>
</app_config>
And saved it into the Minecraft directory.

Then started BOINC:
22/07/2020 16:57:52 | minecrafthome | Found app_config.xml
22/07/2020 16:57:52 | minecrafthome | kaktwoos: Max 1 concurrent jobs
So I can't reproduce it either, unless I have to install Nano and I am not going to do that.
1349) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing start tag in cc_config.xml (Message 100074)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows 10, 2004, Notepad:

UTF-8:
22/07/2020 16:49:18 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

UTF-8 with BOM:
22/07/2020 16:50:17 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
22/07/2020 16:50:17 | SETI@home | Unparsed line in app_info.xml: 
(but no mention what the line is)

UTF-16LE:
22/07/2020 16:47:33 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
22/07/2020 16:47:33 | SETI@home |
22/07/2020 16:47:33 | SETI@home | Syntax error in app_info.xml

UTF-16BE:
22/07/2020 16:51:34 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
22/07/2020 16:51:34 | SETI@home | Syntax error in app_info.xml

ANSI:
22/07/2020 16:52:24 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
1350) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 100072)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric answers:
We're in the process of swapping web servers and the cert generation hasn't caught up yet. I expect that it will be in place in the next day or so.
So just don't go there...
1351) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100067)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd say, because you don't want to have slow memory on a Ryzen 3900X (or XT). 2400 is slow. Look for 3200 or above. You can perfectly fine overclock the memory, but 2400 never gets as high as 3200.
1352) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 100065)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
ROFL, Intel. After they were telling you that you void warranty on your Intel CPU when you overclock it - despite them giving an overclock manual on their site- now they're going as far as saying using XMP on your memory is overclocking and that voids warranty on your Intel CPU if you tell them you ran XMP and the CPU died. Yes, even on a Z-motherboard, with a K-chip. You should not overclock anything.
1353) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing start tag in cc_config.xml (Message 100064)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've requested that app_config.xml (and possibly other XML files) get their own integrity and sanity check in #3938
1354) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 100063)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But he does! Sunday night is his prime code bug writing schedule.
I read that as "crime code", then reread it and read that again. :-D

Edit: I emailed Eric and David, let's see if someone answers.
1355) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 100060)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you take into account that he doesn't work weekends?
1356) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing start tag in cc_config.xml (Message 100058)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have the error because for a sanity check the cc_config parser is used. That one only has an error message about cc_config.xml

I've two times said to save in ANSI format
1357) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 100057)
Posted 22 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
They worked years with a self signed certificate, maybe they tried going back to one. Anyone mailed David or Eric?
1358) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing start tag in cc_config.xml (Message 100047)
Posted 21 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why not paste the contents into Notepad, see if there's nothing weird going on there and then save it via there as ANSI?
You may have extra (invisible) linefeed characters. You may have saved it as UTF-8. Both of these will break the parsing of the XML file.
1359) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing start tag in cc_config.xml (Message 100044)
Posted 21 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you don't need a cc_config.xml for using an app_config.xml

So please post the contents of your app_config.xml and do tell how you edited it, and what format you saved it in (should be ANSI).
1360) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unable to use BOINC Manager? (Message 100039)
Posted 21 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you shouldn't need to do that, unless you have a very strict firewall policy.
Instead, open BOINC Manager, View, Advanced view, Options, Other options... and check that "Run the client?" is checked. If it isn't, check it please. Press Save.
Then exit BOINC Manager and start it again. Does that fix the problem?

If it doesn't, can you check in Windows Task Manager, Details, that boinc.exe is running when you start BOINC Manager?
1361) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unable to use BOINC Manager? (Message 100037)
Posted 21 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which operating system did you download it for?
1362) Message boards : Questions and problems : resource sharing (Message 100027)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now that's it's been fixed, what you can do is run your scenarios through the client simulator: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSim
That way you don't have to run it in actual fact, but can simulate what happens. Do make sure that all projects are allowed to fetch work, my test just moments ago didn't have that so it ran to a stop within 8 hours.
1363) Message boards : Questions and problems : resource sharing (Message 100018)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for tracking that Richard. I owe you a pint.
1364) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC isn't suspending computation when non-BOINC cpu usage is high (Message 100014)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just tested it on my system with setting the value to 7%, then ran a Kaspersky database update (which uses 8% CPU).

20/07/2020 11:55:10 | | Reading preferences override file
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 7%
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting JHR_bd5_14318_n_0000100004_0000020_0_fragments_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_990551_24_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting JHR_bd5_05111_c_0000200008_0000008_0_fragments_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_963479_24_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting JHR_b2_02877_c_full_17_0000100002_0000014_1_fragments_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_991321_24_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting JHR_bd4_01971_c_0000100004_0000019_0_fragments_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_994204_24_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting b4k_8814_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_956605_919_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting b4k_5283_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_958064_919_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting b4k_8563_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_958198_919_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting b4k_8205_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_958183_919_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting b3x_7312_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_957241_919_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting b3x_1594_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_956731_919_0 (left in memory)
20/07/2020 11:55:10 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting tgfbR1_3_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_4gt4bw5q_986472_1_0 (left in memory)

So works for me.
This is on Windows 10 with a single CPU (Ryzen 3900X running single threaded)
1365) Message boards : Questions and problems : resource sharing (Message 100013)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you expect <rec_half_life_days> to do, or what it stands for? What does it measure, in your opinion?

Well, you would certainly know about https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration. It says, "A project's scheduling priority is determined by its estimated credit in the last X days. Default is 10; set it larger if you run long high-priority jobs."

That's all I "know". It's not much..
So if you know that, then why are you tracking the run time of tasks and not the amount of credit they gather?
Also, why do you double the value of rec_half_life_days? Neither Einstein nor Rosetta run tasks that take months to finish while they run in high priority. If anything you're better off lowering that value, many people set it to 1 immediately and that works quite a bit better than 10.

As to where REC is being tracked, I suspect it's at the projects, because that makes it easier to keep safe than a user editable file. But we're still looking into that.
1366) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 100010)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good news for those of you without a compliant GPU but who want to contribute anyway, the project will at one time in the future have a multi-threaded CPU application, that they're testing now.
Hy, MAH developer wrote:
Now, even if you don't have a compatible graphics card:

For those with a multi-core, relatively modern (Bulldozer/Phenom and Intel Nehalem) and newer CPU, a version of kaktwoos is being made to run on CPU only systems or those with incompatible GPUs. It will serve the same purpose as kaktwoos-cl that all of us are running atm, but it's actually a decently fast alternative.

On my Ryzen 1700 (8c/16t, 3.75GHz all cores) I get a speed of ~20mseed/s if nothing is running and I set it to use all of the processor. This is comparable to a RX 580 on our latest kaktwoos-cl version!

A Intel 8600K runs at 12-13mseed/s, and I expect a Ryzen 2600 to perform similarly

On a Ryzen 3950x or older 16 core Threadripper, we can expect 40 million seeds a second, at 150W; comparable to my desktop's overclocked Vega 56.

Sadly, a Raspberry Pi 4 at 1.95Ghz, 4 cores (32bit OS) runs this at... 1.2mseed/s

If you would like, progress of our CPU kaktwoos application can be tracked here:
https://github.com/DutChen18/kaktwoos-rs (Orig)
https://github.com/Hyenadae/kaktwoos-rs/commits/master (BOINC native mods + auto build for linux and soon Windows)
1367) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC isn't suspending computation when non-BOINC cpu usage is high (Message 100008)
Posted 20 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you check what Activity is set to? BOINC Manager, view, advanced view, activity menu.

Should be set to Run based on preferences. If set to Run always, it'll ignore preferences.
1368) Message boards : Questions and problems : resource sharing (Message 100003)
Posted 19 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I convinced myself that the BOINC "<rec_half_life_days>" default setting of 10 days is too low for current task sizes and task groups the Scheduler accepts.
What do you expect <rec_half_life_days> to do, or what it stands for? What does it measure, in your opinion?
1369) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99994)
Posted 18 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just allowed Windows 10 to update itself to version 2004. So far so good. It kept my installed AMD driver. It kept all privacy settings as I set them before install. It's come quite some ways.
Even reliability is up, almost to 10 these days. So no complaints.
1370) Message boards : Questions and problems : LHC@Home on BOINC Android Could not connect (Message 99988)
Posted 17 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tap on that message and fill in your details again, then try to connect again. Might work, I have to go that route for Einstein.
Seems to happen when it's making contact with the project the first time to not be able to connect due to the outdated certificates.

(Also play with your nickname, all lower case, or all upper case. )
1371) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99985)
Posted 16 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0m3BzQscS_k

Far Cry 6 trailer.
Tell me if it's a movie or animated. And then wonder if what you do with your graphics card is worth it?
1372) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99981)
Posted 15 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So... now that face masks are compulsory in all British stores, can one Brit explain to me why they're called face masks? I mean, are there any other kinds of masks? Strictly speaking, I like the term face coverings better but making your own face covering from a hanky doesn't mean they're protective in any way.
1373) Message boards : Projects : ASTEROIDSATHOME.NET distributing trojans? (Message 99978)
Posted 15 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
my words: “appear to”

your words: "evidence", that’s in your head
I'm sure you can put some evidence down on your claim that "projects" (plural) appear to be spamming and spreading Trojans?
1374) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to run multiple GPUs from BOINC (Message 99974)
Posted 15 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will certainly not make a cc_config.xml file with all the debug options on by default. Only <task>, <sched_ops> and <file_xfer> are on by default. I wouldn't use that cc_config.xml file as this will give a lot of information about the running of BOINC, most of it being totally useless to the normal user. It may even completely hang the client because of the overkill on information.

The old cc_config.xml (cc stands for client configuration) was intended to set the debug flags for testing the BOINC client and project applications. Over time other options were added. Because one can hang the client when adding too many (or all) log_flags, the making of and using of cc_config.xml is for advanced users (and alpha testers) only. Hence also why it will only be populated from the Advanced view of BOINC Manager, not from Simple View.
1375) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to run multiple GPUs from BOINC (Message 99972)
Posted 15 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is the first and only situation where BOINC creates the file - and it happens during usage of BOINC Manager, not at installation.
Using the Exclusive Applications menu option would already write a fully populated cc_config.xml file way before the Event Log options menu came in.
1376) Message boards : Projects : ASTEROIDSATHOME.NET distributing trojans? (Message 99958)
Posted 14 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The bigger picture:

Projects, volunteer computing, citizen science and such;

appear to be spamming, spreading trojans and wasting volunteer contribution.
So just because one project doesn't do what is considered normal, you generalize and throw all projects under the bus. Because I'm sure you can put some evidence down on your claim that "projects" (plural) are spamming and spreading Trojans? (And it's still only Malwarebytes that gives this problem, none of the myriad of other AV/AM options does, which makes it in my opinion still a false positive from Malwarebytes)

Btw, the easiest thing to do is just leave a project that does these things this way. An admin will notice a lack of hungry computers earlier than posts on his own forums.
1377) Message boards : Projects : Folding@Home and BOINC (Message 99954)
Posted 14 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
In short, Fah couldn't run in Boinc; since FAH depends on quick return of WUs (usually the deadline is below 2 days), and sharing resources would end up in issues.
???
I run a project whose deadline is 24 hours. Works fine.

FAH also can't just assign any WU to any GPU, like in Boinc.
They have specific WUs that are made for a specific range of GPUs, in a way to make maximum use of the GPU's hardware.
This is one thing that Boinc doesn't yet have.
It's not a thing for BOINC to have. BOINC doesn't use the CPU or GPU, that's done by the projects and if a project would dictate it can only run on certain GPUs then only those GPUs can be used. See GPUGRID. See Milkyway@Home. See Minecraft@Home.
1378) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99953)
Posted 14 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Restarted playing The Elderscrolls Online. The new chapter Greymoor is out. Which can be bought at standard version for $39.99 (or €39.99 which is $45.58) or the Collector's Edition for $54.99 (or €54.99 which is $62.68) (and yes, why do a 1 on 1 dollar to euro conversion? We're being ripped off!)
I didn't want to spend so much on the game and haven't and am glad I haven't. I paid a fairly reasonable €26,89 (or $30.65) for the collector's edition by getting a key from elsewhere (not Elsweyr). This map is smaller than many other DLC's to this game. I'm so glad I didn't fork out the full price. And have seen it could even be worse, as a Dutch retailer had it for €69,99 ($79.79) for the standard edition and a whopping €89,99 ($102,59) for the collector's edition.

Okay, so we're playing in Skyrim. Only the western part of that map.
I bought the house in Solitude, fully furnished and still can't put anything in a cupboard there. But it took me all of an hour to get make a full circle over this map. It takes a full hour to get out of the first mission in Skyrim! Doesn't bode well.
1379) Message boards : The Lounge : Zooniverse quests (Message 99951)
Posted 14 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dropped in my email:

Hi there,

Please help us test a possible new Zooniverse project - Catalina Outer Solar System Survey

What the researchers say:

"For over twenty years the Catalina Sky Survey has been collecting images of the sky night after night. Hidden deep in these images are exotic and primordial solar-system worlds yet to be discovered: Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs).

By looking at images of the same patch of sky over several months, the motion of distant TNOs can be detected. However, computers often make false detections, and this is where you come in! The detected motion needs to be confirmed, and the human eye is supremely adapted to just this task. This project seeks volunteers to review animated images to make the final determination of whether an object is a real TNO or not. Are you ready to discover new distant, icy worlds?"

Try it out now at https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/fulsdavid/catalina-outer-solar-system-survey and give us your feedback via this form https://forms.gle/aUCRCTbMpVRVZyibA (which you can also reach by clicking the link on the project itself).
1380) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 99942)
Posted 14 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grant Imahara, 49, American electrical and robotics engineer, Mythbuster, host
1381) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to run multiple GPUs from BOINC (Message 99941)
Posted 14 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank the deities, I don't know what I'm talking about re: BOINC. The curse has been broken, I can finally leave here!
And stop writing the documentation for it, stop putting bugs into their bug system, stop helping people who really don't know B from OINC. I'm free, I'm free!
1382) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99924)
Posted 13 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, that's why we see a 'meteor' in the night's sky. It's their ship!
1383) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99921)
Posted 13 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
new science has found that antibodies decline in as little as two months. It doesn't matter if you had a benign one or the full onslaught (and survived

A small sample size. (74 total) and in those who had symptoms, 13% antibodies had dropped to undetectable levels which means 87% they were still there to some extent. But still not good news.

New research in Belgium among 2,960 samples of people giving blood between 8 and 13 June 2020, showed 5.5% had antibodies. That's fewer than the 6.9% that was set at the end of May.
1384) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99920)
Posted 13 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, they're demonstrating about the social distancing and having to wear a mask and gloves.
1385) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to run multiple GPUs from BOINC (Message 99919)
Posted 13 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Upgrading or doing a fresh install of BOINC v7.16.7 will delete or not creat a cc_config.xml. I see this as a major bug in this.
Upgrading BOINC does not delete anything in the data directory, where cc_config.xml resides.
However, BOINC does not start with a default cc_config.xml file, you will always have to make one. Either by hand, or easily have a fully populated one by editing the Event Log options... menu in BOINC Manager (advanced view).

For one it's off by default, it should be in 'Computing preference' and cc_config.xml is not there anymore.
As explained, BOINC does by default not come with cc_config.xml; if you never had it it wasn't removed, you just never had it.

It should be in the 'Computing preference' option to set it and not off by default.
Tell the developers over at BOINC Github (When the Github server is back at least, never seen it down...)
1386) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99905)
Posted 12 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The third wave has started in Hong Kong. We're still waiting for the second one.
People who've had corona aren't automatically immune for it, as new science has found that antibodies decline in as little as two months. It doesn't matter if you had a benign one or the full onslaught (and survived). That's going to be interesting for a vaccine, as we may have to get that every two months then.
1387) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99904)
Posted 12 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not according to demonstrators the world over.
1388) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99892)
Posted 12 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Be safe.
1389) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99876)
Posted 11 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Conundrum.
1390) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Some (Potential) New/Sharpened Tab Icons [Diff Included] (Message 99871)
Posted 11 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But we're not the developers. You will have to post this on Github: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues and perhaps check beforehand if no one already did so.
And perhaps explain which operating system this is on/for.
1391) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99870)
Posted 11 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You need a new challenge? Try figuring out Discord.
I had to get it to follow the 20 year birthday party for Machinae Supremacy, but couldn't find it anywhere in a search. Followed the link they gave to get there.
And then there's all kinds of links, separate channels or sub-forums perhaps. I'll get a manual in a moment because I'm really out of my league here.
But at least following the chat the gents of MaSu have (with themselves and the public). Now where did I leave my mic?
1392) Message boards : News : SUNET client released (Message 99835)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're Chinese, not Arabic. So top to bottom!
Get six codes, write down the first digit of each code, to get your new secret six digit code. 😂
1393) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99831)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do we have to have a sacrifice to the spelling and grammar gods too?
Every day, Gray, eles youll heve plobrems.
1394) Message boards : GPUs : Problem after NVIDIA driver update (Message 99830)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm checking the Asteroids applications page since that was the project that brought on this bug and it seems they look for CUDA 10.2 - which was detected correctly in the driver but then they don't check for that number (because then the driver version doesn't matter if you check for CUDA 10.2, the sched_request either sends CUDA 10.2 along if the driver is in compliance, or it doesn't when the driver is of an older CUDA version)

And I wonder if the short-fix isn't to use 450.57 ;-)
1395) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99823)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The one they always get wrong (and many on here as well). Second sentence into the 'story':
More than a half-century ago, British physicist Roger Penrose surmised that energy could be harvested from a black hole by dropping an object into it's ergosphere, the outer layer of the black hole's event horizon.


Edit: I'm waiting for people to spell hi's or his' (instead of his) as they already do her's.
1396) Message boards : GPUs : Problem after NVIDIA driver update (Message 99821)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wondered why can Mac and Windows read this as an integer and Linux only as a string? I did see in the source code it read it as a string (of 81 characters).
1397) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99814)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
How fast does internet travel through intergalactic Ethernet cables?
1398) Message boards : GPUs : Problem after NVIDIA driver update (Message 99812)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quick update. It's apparently not easily solved.

Vitalii Koshura, BOINC dev wrote:
2 of 3 platforms report driver version as an integer number. Third platform reports it as an integer represented as a string.
So it's basically no information how to interpret this integer as a float number.

I can make a fix to set proper in request but it will still shows incorrect version (two numbers after point instead of three) in log....
1399) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99811)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
David's internet is then really good to be able to post about Rosetta from there, wherever there is.
1400) Message boards : GPUs : Problem after NVIDIA driver update (Message 99794)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes all right, you're right that matters.
I'm checking the source code and see it's calling a string of 81 characters for the driver version. Ought to be enough.

The 7.9.3 you pointed at is an old BOINC version, your 7.16.6 is reasonably new. I'll put that one up the ladder: #3893
What remains is the driver requirement and that's really done by the project, not by BOINC.
1401) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC no longer requesting work. (Message 99789)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
One cannot begin to do root cause analysis until the event log identifies which project the scheduler considers highest priority. One has to work backwards from that point identifying the "why" behind the fixation.
Yes, you can quote my whole post and answer on absolutely nothing again, it doesn't matter. You had the original problem while having LHC, Cosmology, WCG, Rosetta, Citizen Science Grid, Einstein and GPUGRID added to your BOINC.

Your original screen shot only showed part of the log for LHC, Cosmology and GPUGRID. All projects in your original screen shot showed they were allowed to fetch work, none was set to No New Tasks or anything. There was quite a bit of information missing. Is when we started asking for logs with debug flags on. For which you thought you had to 'hack' cc_config.xml, while you can just open that with an ASCII text editor (had you but asked...) or via the BOINC Manager Event Log Options menu item.

And before you even gave a full log, you detached from GPUGRID. By doing so you destroyed your chances of replicating anything, or showing a correct log.
There is no working back to anything because you changed the outcome by detaching from GPUGRID. You say your computer had been without work for anything between 3 and 7 days already, so why the hurry to get work instead of trying to squash what you think is a bug? Because now those chances are slim to none.

But of course, you can now claim conspiracy: "whoever created this bug is intent on hiding it".

I haven't seen a log with work_fetch_debug for LHC, Cosmology, WCG, Rosetta, Citizen Science Grid, Einstein and GPUGRID. (with the priority messages, which if you hurry you can still fetch from stdoutdae (and if you want to know where that can be found under Linux: ask the people here as they'll be able to point you to it))
I haven't seen a log with sched_op_debug for LHC, Cosmology, WCG, Rosetta, Citizen Science Grid, Einstein and GPUGRID.
1402) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99783)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll see if this special board may be of assistance in access the SETI servers...
So? Did Zozo get through to tell you what it didn't want to tell Zak?
Edit: still going over people's heads? ;-)
1403) Message boards : GPUs : Problem after NVIDIA driver update (Message 99782)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's an Asteroids problem and you'll have to report it to their forums. BOINC doesn't use your GPU, that's done by the project science applications. All BOINC does is detect what GPU you have and what its capabilities are and sends that to the project which then considers whether that information is all right to their minimum requirements. So best ask at https://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/forum_index.php what their requirements are.

As for showing 440.100 vs 440.10, I think that's the same number, don't you?
1404) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC no longer requesting work. (Message 99781)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's actually multiple bugs because the manual Update button should be forcing a retrieval if there is any space in the queue.
You have a project with 500,000 computers doing your work. Your server manages to adequately give work to 10,000 computers at the same time, maybe 15,000. One day 100,000 of your users work out a prank and they massively at the same time start hitting their Update buttons, every second. You know what that is? That's a DDOS attack. That will bring your server down. And that's exactly the reason why the Update button does not have precedence over the back-off procedure that runs in the background. As that will try to spread the load of the amount of computers and certainly not allow for several presses of the Update button to all go through.

This is a scheduler bug.
And your only proof is a picture. Not even a log (look through stdoutdae.txt and stdoutdae.old in your data directory for older messages). Not even a log with a work_fetch_debug flag on at the time (And I did ask for it before you started changing your preferences! You quoted my post but did absolutely nothing with its contents)

We have a client simulator: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSim. Go test your scenarios in that. Or go back to the previous situation if you can (may take a while) and then test correctly.

I've not written one line of code for BOINC
And not looked up any code to substantiate your claims either: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit
I've written an awful lot of code
Now you are advertising your book site and so a moderator can take your whole post down just based on that. Can even kick you for however long they feel is necessary. Might be useful so you take the time to check how you properly report bugs, instead of sprouting your amount of years as code writer as irrefutable proof that you know what you're talking about while you haven't read one line of BOINC code or produced a log with the correct debug flags set.
1405) Message boards : Projects : ASTEROIDSATHOME.NET distributing trojans? (Message 99780)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because it couldn't possibly be a false positive generated by Malwarebytes?
https://asteroidsathome.net/: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/a48bb9dfddfd1e8ef36032951398a32ee78521b3ae74d0efc34bb3ee3ae9645f/detection
https://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/index.php: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/517b482d556fb9b1d58b1082838716b4d511c12c1082f97aa2221092ffb0842f/detection

If 70 sites (including Malwarebytes) deem the links clean, then what?
1406) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99773)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any independent 'news' site that can't even spell "its" correctly (always adding the apostrophe, apparently no grammar checker) isn't worth my time, no matter their news.
1407) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99766)
Posted 9 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe Gary will have to change the name of this thread back to the dreaded "It's dead, Jim".

Maybe Cancel Culture told them there is no ET and therefore the project is down. (Non-political statement)

As for hiberation, they were so tired of their project they skipped the 'n'.
1408) Message boards : Android : Android BOINC 7.4.53 too old for Einstein@Home (Message 99752)
Posted 8 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein changed their certificate. BOINC 7.4.53 can now be used again to contact the project.
But beware, when you add the project there's a chance the first time contacting it will fail. Just tap on the "can't connect" field, fill in your password again and then it will go through.
1409) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99751)
Posted 8 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's not difficulties, that's called ignore.
1410) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99738)
Posted 8 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It could also be that the University went on summer vacation and they just pulled the plug on all non-essential hardware.
1411) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99709)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, have you asked Jason Priestley? (Or Ian Ziering, but he may be JP now).
Yeah I watched The Order
1412) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99706)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What, that one up at the moor? Because else it's probably the lame chickens. The one up there has classy chickens. :)
And a very delish chocolate brownie pudding.
1413) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC no longer requesting work. (Message 99705)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It doesn't matter what the settings were all along. As has been said, GPUGrid is a GPU only project. You just don't set it to ask for CPU work and as long as you do it'll stay this way. GPUGrid is the project that's eligible to ask for CPU work, but it doesn't have CPU work.

By the way, posting pictures of things in BOINC Manager and the website is nice and all, but did you know you can copy all the messages from BOINC's Event Log and just post those instead of having to relate to posting an image of it? CTRL+SHIFT+E, Copy all. Or select part of the log, then Copy Selected if you'd rather not post a thousand lines.

Then you can also post bigger better logs with from the Event Log Options menu's (CTRL+SHIFT+F) debug flags such as rr_simulation, work_fetch_debug or cpu_sched_debug
If you do want to do logs with above flags, do those one by one, not all three at the same time as that'll give logs that are unreadable.
1414) Message boards : Questions and problems : permanent suspension (Message 99693)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Snooze pauses for one hour.

Advanced view>Activity menu>Suspend CPU pauses permanently until you say otherwise.

You csn also set an exclusive application, then whenever that runs BOINC suspends. If activity is set to based on preferences.
1415) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC RPC Support? (Message 99682)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have to run it from the directory you put it in, or add that directory to your environment path.
Also make sure the BOINC client is running first
1416) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager Win 7.16.7 (x64) Project Add Tool (Message 99679)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not necessary for the project wizard to have all URLs in HTTPS format as internally the BOINC client will add those projects as HTTPS even when the starting URL is HTTP. The Project will send the updated URL back to the client at add time and then the switch takes place. Nothing you have to do, and it's not necessary for the project list to have those URLs as HTTPS at standard.
1417) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99678)
Posted 7 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
He posted on Github BOINC not too long ago.
1418) Message boards : Projects : ASTEROIDSATHOME.NET distributing trojans? (Message 99659)
Posted 6 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I tried to get to the Asteroids website and I cannot, it's down for me. So whatever happened to it, someone over there seems to have taken notice and taken it down.
1419) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 99644)
Posted 6 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ennio Morricone, 91, Italian composer, orchestrator, conductor, and former trumpet player
(Once Upon a Time in the West and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly)
1420) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 99634)
Posted 5 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
ROFLOL, says the Swede whose language is equally impossible to follow. :)
1421) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any way to turn off notifications (Message 99631)
Posted 5 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No.
That behaviour has been fixed in source code, but it's not been added to any live client/manager yet. We'll have to wait until the release manager deems it necessary to release a new non/less-bugged BOINC.
1422) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 99629)
Posted 5 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
From 11am CEST (9am UTC) onwards you can follow a live stream watching the sun here via the radio telescope at Dwingeloo in The Netherlands.
The telescope can see through clouds and rain, so this live stream will continue despite the bad weather.
(Explanations are in Dutch)
1423) Message boards : Questions and problems : Max amount of host limit? (Message 99624)
Posted 4 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BAM! Bug Report
BAM! General (you posted in this one already).
1424) Message boards : Questions and problems : Max amount of host limit? (Message 99622)
Posted 4 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think the points are accumulated to another host?
Why don't you check your hosts at the source instead of in a UI: https://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/hosts_user.php?userid=1606659

7 units still haven't received a single point.
Just three: One, Two and Three.

I'm pretty sure it's a Bam stats issue on assigning hosts.
So what are you doing here then? We're in no way affiliated with BOINCstats or BAM!
If there is anything that should be fixed on BOINC its side it's best asked by the developer of BAM! as he knows what's what. So do go report it to him.
1425) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 99619)
Posted 4 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Earl Cameron, 102, English film and TV actor
1426) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99612)
Posted 3 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Was she that angry?
1427) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac Permissions error Error Code -1005 (Message 99610)
Posted 3 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you can try is remove all permissions first using the Mac_SA_Insecure.sh script, then run the Mac_SA_Secure.sh script after that. These links are to GitHub, but if all is correct both scripts are available in the BOINC installer.

sudo sh "{path}/Mac_SA_Secure.sh"
But for full instructions see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive
1428) Message boards : Questions and problems : Max amount of host limit? (Message 99607)
Posted 3 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC has no limits on amount of computers on one user account.

If some don't show up on stats sites you have to check whether they are gathering credit, whether the project sends out the stats on those units and whether the stats site in question shows all correctly.
Projects and stats sites are separate entities, so you will have to ask them.
1429) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99590)
Posted 2 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
reCaptcha is disabled for now.
1430) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99587)
Posted 2 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's not for David to solve but for the project admin. Meanwhile you can register via BOINC Manager Add Project.
1431) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99582)
Posted 1 Jul 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Landed myself a new moderator job at Minecraft@Home. As a thank you for helping them out. LOL.
1432) Message boards : Questions and problems : Africa Rainfall project remains on status "waiting to run" (Message 99555)
Posted 30 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I hope that deadline is American notation of the date, the 5th of July, because I read it as the 7th of May.
But BOINC will try to get all work in before deadline, and in general it does so in first in, first out order. You can check if the scheduler is doing its work by enabling the <rr_simualtion> and <cpu_sched_debug> options in the Event Log options in the Advanced view Options menu. Do watch out as this will give quite a bit of information about all your tasks and can fill your log files quite quickly. Do turn them off after a couple of runs.
1433) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with WCG and BOINC (Message 99554)
Posted 30 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Asteroids account shows 20 tasks in progress, but the BOINC manager shows only five.
Could be ghosts (tasks sent but that never arrived, or that got lost on your computer because you changed clients) but I suspect you have the GUI set to show only running tasks. In BOINC Manager Advanced view check on the left if there's a button stating "Show all tasks". If there is, click it and then all tasks will show. The button will have changed to "Show active tasks", it shows the option you have, not the state it's in.

If with Show all tasks it still shows just 5, then it's the before situation where they got lost. Nothing you can do about that.
1434) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC not suspending work when computer is in use (Message 99551)
Posted 29 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before we start 20 Questions, please look at this thread for help and minimal information when requesting help on these forums.
1435) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99549)
Posted 29 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Totally hooked on Displates these days. Just ordered another 4 (with discount of 30%). These together with wall-art stickers are the invention of this decennial.
Now coming are two of Pink Floyd, one of a HEV station and one toilet sign.
1436) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible issue. (Message 99537)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sad. Jord Reputation --
You've been told what to do by Keith yet you blame me?
Welcome to my ignore.
1437) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible issue. (Message 99535)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're purely looking from a user perspective, your own. And it's easily fixed for you by going to the Projects preferences page and unchecking that option. What I said was that it's a default BOINC function and here it doesn't matter if you have one project added or 24. There comes a day when all but one project have no work and that one project does have work but not for the application you selected to run. So then your computer sits idle.

As a user you still have responsibility in setting things up correctly, you can't just leave it all to BOINC to be automated. And what you want as a preference on this (default off) another user will want default on (like me). There's no pleasing, no middle way.
1438) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible issue. (Message 99529)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The thing though is, by default BOINC is made to have work in cache, not to sit idle. So then the setting for "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" makes sense, because then by default BOINC will never (easily) be without work and just sit idle for days on end until you return and notice that... and then complain about that fact.
1439) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with WCG and BOINC (Message 99527)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So many things.
Let me start off with: I've had a BOINC account for over 20 years.
No you haven't. These forums started in August 2005, development of BOINC started 3 years before that.

The World Community Grid client is a BOINC client with a WCG skin. The present WCG BOINC is 7.2.47 (6 years old).
Using BOINC doesn't make an account on these forums. You specifically have to make an account here to be able to post here. There are a handful of links from the Help menu in the manager, but these pages do nothing with the client. The only communication the client has with the BOINC website is to check periodically if the Add Project wizard list is updated.

WCG won't let me on its forum page.
For information, they're here: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/index
You need to have an account to be able to post on their forums: Join and use the Log In option at the top of the screen on the previous link to log in.

I signed on to WCG and the computer started crunching.
However, it removed BONIC from my computer.

Since WCG is a BOINC client with a WCG skin, of course it will remove the other BOINC version. There can only be one BOINC installed at a time. It's the same as were you to update your BOINC version to a newer one, then the old BOINC is removed as well. To be able to run WCG on your BOINC you're not required to run the WCG themed BOINC, you can just add World Community Grid through the Add Project wizard.

But Rosetta is missing!!
I had no active Rosetta tasks, but it should still show on my computer, along with the credits it has amassed.

BOINC and WCG BOINC make use of the same data directory, which will stay untouched between uninstalling and reinstalling of the BOINC programs. So make sure your BOINC had Rosetta added.

And WCG does not show up on my FreeDC page, but it is definitely cutting back on my productivity, slowing down my other projects.
Sounds like you have two accounts. Make sure you used the same email address (without typos) all over the place. The email address is the unique identifier (even though the WCG website uses unique usernames!).
1440) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99520)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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It looks like these validation issues you experienced are caused by a limited number of AMD GPUs, we'll likely just need to add some compatibility support for them.
No, a validate error happens when the contents of the result differ wildly from those of others. Like I said, all others I have seen use the CPU quite heavily, mine doesn't. I was paired against an AMD RX 580 and even there my result didn't validate. So something is off with my type of video card. And it isn't drivers, as I updated from 20.3.1 to 20.5.1 between tasks, on either side I didn't validate.

(And sorry I sounded so gruff in my previous post, bad night...)
1441) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99517)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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No as intermittently it has been up and going down again. You can only burn heads when it's a continuous outage.
1442) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 99509)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Well, isn't that much easier then? At least then you'll have a bed to lay in, instead of fodder for winter. :)
1443) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 99506)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Why not? If you wear that sweater, you'll look the type. No one will ask you anything. ;-)
1444) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99496)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think something over there just crashed. Not maintenance.
1445) Message boards : The Lounge : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! (Message 99495)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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C l i m a t e C h a n g e
1446) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99492)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Just as I tried to post a message, the project went down for maintenance... I broke it!
1447) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99477)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Checkpointing is useless if the application isn't doing anything useful, only running to end in validate errors as it does on my AMD RX 5700 XT. Don't you read your own forums, well news thread?

Acknowledging your volunteers problems on your project would be nice. I've stepped out for now seeing how I don't get any answers there anyway. Not spending more energy on it when there's no feedback.

So set up complete forums instead of just news and answer people over there. Unless you expect everyone to report to you via Twitter and Discord, which I won't do.
1448) Message boards : BOINC Manager : With own Virtualbox installation BOINC manager cannot manage local computer anymore (Message 99463)
Posted 26 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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You don't have to run BOINC Manager to run work on BOINC, it's only needed when you want to control the client. So what you can do is run the client (boinc.exe) from a command line (boinc.exe --detach, or boinc.exe --detach_console). You will have to start the client from the install directory, as it's not in Windows its path: "c:\program files\boinc.exe" --detach (with the quotes, as there's a space in the path)

But other than that it sounds as if your VirtualBox is using port 31416 which BOINC uses to communicate between its parts.
From an elevated command prompt, try running netstat -ab and wait until this runs out, this can take several minutes. If you want to run it to a text file, do netstat -ab > path.to/textfile.txt, make sure the path exists.
1449) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99458)
Posted 26 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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It turns out our SMTP service ratelimited us.
That's what I suspected. You wouldn't be the first BOINC project marked as a spammer. Heck, I even get Apache emails in from things I do on these boards (moderation) that end up in my spam box because enough people have marked it as spam that Gmail thinks it is. Resending unsent emails will be polite towards your user base. :)
1450) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99455)
Posted 25 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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BOINC-wide teams is configured now
I noticed that, but didn't get the confirmation email about that. Normally this would send out an email to team founders saying "Team created on XXX", where XXX is your project name.
1451) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99453)
Posted 25 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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My AMD just finished its first task, in reasonable time as well (2,436.47 seconds, or 40m 32sec)
1452) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99450)
Posted 25 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Easy desk fan: I took one of the AMD Ryzen fans I have and put it on the fan splitter with Molex connector, put it in the wall outlet. Have to remember to turn the fan around, as it blows on the heat sink, but then at 12V it gives a nice cool breeze during these hot days gaming. :)
1453) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource Share Problem (Message 99445)
Posted 25 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Me sleeping always helps with other people's tech problems. :)
1454) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rosetta@Home no activity sent (Message 99444)
Posted 25 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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We're the BOINC forums, we don't do any work or give out any work.

When you have problems getting work, you'll have to ask at the project itself how come.
Rosetta has its own forums: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_index.php, where you can read that they're out of work: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=14060#97494
1455) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource Share Problem (Message 99439)
Posted 24 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Make sure you're looking at the correct location or venue, that you didn't set one up for that computer that differs.
1456) Message boards : Questions and problems : No new tasks for a couple days? (Message 99431)
Posted 24 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Have you asked at Rosetta@Home?
1457) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master password too short? (Message 99430)
Posted 24 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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According to CACreateBOINCAccounts.cpp the password for boinc_master is a random character password with length of 12 characters:

        if (strBOINCMasterAccountPassword.empty()) {
            LogMessage(
                INSTALLMESSAGE_INFO,
                NULL, 
                NULL,
                NULL,
                NULL,
                _T("Generating 'boinc_master' password")
            );
            GenerateRandomPassword(strBOINCMasterAccountPassword, 12);
            strBOINCMasterAccountPassword = _T("!") + strBOINCMasterAccountPassword;
        }

If you want that changed, you should make a ticket at GitHub and ask for it.
1458) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99423)
Posted 24 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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And all tasks thus far end in error on my AMD GPU.
1459) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unfinished Tasks Question. (Message 99422)
Posted 24 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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I think the deadlines should become more of a priority in the scheduler.
The deadlines are the only thing BOINC cares about. But within reason, and you as the user has the responsibility to allow BOINC to do all work before the deadline, by pairing projects together with similar deadlines and not filling up the cache to where it's absolutely impossible for it to do all that work before their deadlines.

Want to see how BOINC thinks? Enable the rr_simulation flag in Event Log Options.

PS: posting a screen shot of what your system is doing without saying what system you have isn't very serious.
1460) Message boards : News : Minecraft@Home launched (Message 99421)
Posted 24 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It didn't import BOINC Wide Teams, so any team founders will have to make their own account again.
GPU only project. And as far as I can find, no checkpointing. So watch out.
1461) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master password too short? (Message 99406)
Posted 23 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you trying to install BOINC locally or on a drive in the domain?
Which version of BOINC is this with?

When installing BOINC as a service it requires limited user accounts, of which boinc_master is one. To be able to install this, the installer requires that the operating system uses local accounts. Usually when connected to a domain controller you use roaming or global accounts. It's not possible to make the required limited user accounts on that.

Your workaround is to install BOINC as not a service (normal user installation) as this doesn't install the limited user accounts.
1462) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 99403)
Posted 22 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Joel Schumacher, 80, American movie director.
1463) Message boards : Projects : Cosmology down? (Message 99398)
Posted 22 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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I guess their forums are on the same server. Sometimes forums of projects are on another server, allowing at least to complain on their forums when their service is down
It's not a matter of where the forums are. For BOINC the forums are really small, they're part of the BOINC back-end (all web-pages) and make use of the BOINC database. Normally when the BOINC database is down, all web pages are down, including the forums. A lot of projects use just one physical server to run everything on, or one physical server with lots of virtual servers running on it. Which still makes it once the physical server goes down, everything is down.
1464) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource share not being respected by BOINC (Message 99395)
Posted 22 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Rosetta's deadline is 3 days, but the scientists there want you to return the results ASAP as they're really waiting for them.
So when CPDN has 2 months as deadline, and BOINC already knows how long tasks from this project generally take, it's no wonder it puts them on hold and does the Rosetta's first. It may also not know yet how long these Rosetta tasks take - even tasks set for 2 hours can take 5 or more I noticed on my 3900x. Micromanaging to allow CPDN to continue doesn't help.

I wouldn't pair Rosetta against CPDN, because of the mess it will give due to the wildly differing deadlines.
1465) Message boards : Questions and problems : How does boinc work on a 32 bit linux version? (Message 99382)
Posted 21 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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You don't need the 32bit compatibility libraries if your Linux is 32bit. I just checked: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#64_Bit_Considerations
1466) Message boards : Questions and problems : How does boinc work on a 32 bit linux version? (Message 99380)
Posted 21 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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You will have one advantage and that is that you don't need the 32bit compatibility libraries that you would need to run 32bit applications on a 64bit CPU with a 64bit Linux. 32bit BOINC can run 64bit applications as well, but I am not sure if this requires just a 64bit CPU or that the OS also needs to be 64bit.
1467) Message boards : Questions and problems : New tasks not loading automatically (Message 99376)
Posted 21 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
6/21/2020 8:45:18 AM | | Config: fetch minimal work
would have the effect you describe in the thread title.
Missed that one, thanks for the eagle eyes. :)
1468) Message boards : Questions and problems : New tasks not loading automatically (Message 99373)
Posted 21 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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There are problems with the certificates and the OpenSSL version used in various BOINC versions.
So get the updated BOINC 7.16.7 which has the updated ca-bundle.crt file so you don't have to fiddle with trying to overwrite this file in a protected Windows directory yourself.

By the way, why do you run a 32bit BOINC on a 64bit Windows?
Is BOINC then installed to C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\, or is it installed in C:\Program Files\BOINC\ ?
Or do you run the WCG version of BOINC?
1469) Message boards : Android : Chromebook Chrome OS (Message 99371)
Posted 21 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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It's either to do with an illegal system call done by the science app (and you should report this to the project), see https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/07/seccomp-filter-in-android-o.html?m=1.

Or it's to do with your CPU being 64bit and your OS being 64bit, but the science applications being 32bit. To be able to run 32bit applications on 64 bit Linux-derived OSes you must install 32bit versions of certain shared libraries and that's impossible on Android and Chrome OS. The fix here is to ask the project to update their science applications.

Aside from all that, the 7.4.53 version of BOINC is now so old that it's got several security problems. The developers are in high gear rewriting it from the ground up so it works from Android 4.4 to any next new update, but no ETA on when they're done
1470) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to detach a project ? (Message 99363)
Posted 19 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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It depends on how you try to remove the project. Did you select the project before trying the Remove button?
To check if you're using an account manager, look in the Tools menu if you have a Sync option there. It'll show which account manager to sync to if you're using an account manager. If there's no Sync option visible, you're not using an account manager.
1471) Message boards : Questions and problems : Atomic pi for data crunching (Message 99348)
Posted 17 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Atomic Pi: Should You Bother?

No, you shouldn’t bother. You just wasted precious moments of your life reading this review. Sorry about that.

Any review, or any consideration at all of the Atomic Pi, must take into account that it will ultimately be a passing mention in a footnote of the history of single board computers. There is no future when there are no more than thirty thousand of these boards to go around. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as many impressive builds have started off by finding some discarded equipment on the side of the curb, left out for the trash. But a single board computer is ultimately defined by its ecosystem. With a baked-in production limit, there can be no community. Without a community, there is no future.

If you want a toy, sure, pick up an Atomic Pi. Here’s the link. If it’s out of stock, there’s probably going to be more. But the selling points the Atomic Pi offers — an x86 machine for cheap, with HDMI, that can run Windows — is satisfied by better machines. Take a look at the AcePC T11. This is an x86 box that uses the same chipset as the Atomic Pi, has double the amount of RAM, more eMMC, and support for a SATA drive. It only costs $130, and that gets you a power supply, more than one USB port, WiFi and Bluetooth antennas, and an enclosure. You also get a power supply. Did I mention the AcePC 11 includes a power supply?

Alternatively, if you want the same Intel chip in a pocketable form factor, the AcePC T5 plugs right into an HDMI port. It uses the same Cherry Trail CPU GPU as the Atomic Pi and comes with WiFi and Bluetooth antennas. The AcePC T5 also comes with a power supply and costs only $100.

The price reference for the single board computer market has been set by the Raspberry Pi, and that means thirty five dollars. Right now, I can buy a Pi 3 Model B+ for thirty seven dollars and seventy eight cents, with free one-day delivery from Amazon. Any competitor to the Raspberry Pi must beat it on either price or performance. The OrangePis and their ilk compete on price. The Atomic Pi certainly beats the Pi on performance and meets it on price. However, this is a false economy, as the Atomic Pi is one-off industrial surplus. If that’s your thing, and you need a cheap x86 system, go for it. But there are better options, and you will only save money by confabulating your own power supply if you value your time at zero.
https://hackaday.com/2019/06/06/the-atomic-pi-is-it-worth-it/
1472) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client v. 7.14.2 (x64) - memory problem in Windows XP-SP2 64 bit Edition (Message 99343)
Posted 17 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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(As I understand it, updating to a newer version of BOINC will not work, because the developers decided to stop supporting Windows XP...)
No, they stopped supporting 32bit Windows in newer versions. If yours is 64bit, you can upgrade to 7.16.7 without problems.
1473) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 ver 2004 - BOINC Manager C7.16.7 (x64) crash to BSOD (Message 99336)
Posted 17 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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No, I don't know of any 120mm fans with filter and adapter. I think it depends on the kind of case you have for anyone to give advice.
120mm fans are easily bought anywhere. 120mm fan filters are also easily bought. Even 120mm fan adapters are easily bought. But they're all 120mm square and you seem to talk about a rectangular thing, covering 3 drive bays, 3.5 inch, 2.5 inch?

I Frankenstein'ed fans onto cases before, on the side panels. With triple anti-mosquito gauze to keep as much as possible dust out. Can't do that anymore because my side panels are tempered glass. Besides, all fans in the case are now standard 120mm.
1474) Message boards : Questions and problems : SUNET - first impressions (Message 99335)
Posted 17 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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So the company has three names, you can't check what data it sends back unless you Wireshark all communications. I think the upside of it is that it still uses a BOINC client, albeit an old one with its own problems, but at least it connects to all projects by itself. Does it contact the projects with the account you made for it? What if you already have a BOINC account, can you use that for signing into this contraption?
1475) Message boards : Questions and problems : SUNET - first impressions (Message 99332)
Posted 17 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Well David claims everything is fixed now the servers have their certs updated, so that old client shouldn't have a problem with an outdated ca-bundle.crt - but for that all my Android devices still refuse to contact any of the projects with the updated certs.
1476) Message boards : News : SUNET client released (Message 99325)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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So ti is the same as boinc@tacc?
No, it looks like it's more alike Science United, but with a GUI. Default attached to Rosetta and WCG. But then Chinese. And no open source code.
1477) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU WUs automatically enabled (Message 99322)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Aside from GPUGrid all other projects are CPU projects with GPU applications added. Meaning there aren't really many pure GPU only projects, and when they exist they'll disable giving the CPU preference from their server's config.xml options. Otherwise CPU is always enabled, by default, because all capable computers have a CPU that can be used to do work on.

What you were pointed at in the past is to check if the option "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" is set to No. Make sure it's set for the correct venue or location. And yes, if you use an account manager, to check that this is set there as well.
1478) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 ver 2004 - BOINC Manager C7.16.7 (x64) crash to BSOD (Message 99321)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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All your crashes happen in the ntoskrnl.exe system, this is the Windows core kernel. If it truly is ntoskrnl.exe, the system is corrupt and you should reinstall Windows, preferably clean. Crashes in the ntoskrnl.exe usually happen because a third party driver occupies memory that the kernel lives in. At this point the kernel panics and throws a BSOD before damage can be done to the system. At such point the driver will be unloaded from memory, and the system reboots.

A first run of https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/947821/fix-windows-update-errors-by-using-the-dism-or-system-update-readiness may get you on top, but if instability issues persist after that, you'll have to search further. Seeing how one of the crashes happened in CI.dll (Not CL), This is the code integrity module. It also points heavily in the direction of a corrupted Windows.

I think at the end of the day you're best off reinstalling Windows on that puppy.
1479) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99313)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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With 99 proof alcohol. Better on your hands than in Juan's glass.
1480) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 ver 2004 - BOINC Manager C7.16.7 (x64) crash to BSOD (Message 99312)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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I'd like you to install BlueScreenView anyway (link in my previous post). As that will tell in what module the system service exceptions happen.
Best get the 64bit version, then use right-click->extract all to extract the contents to a folder of your liking, then start bluescreenview.exe from there.
Expand the window that opens and for the system service exception errors post what it says in the column "Caused by Driver", and if there's nothing there, please type the Bug Check Code.

And do that as well for the "attempted to write to readonly memory" error.

Thank you.
1481) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99308)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Everyone keep your distance from each other. Last week you were all too close. We got a warning, once more and we're fined. If we're fined, we'll up the prices of the drinks until the fine's paid for. Just so you know. So keep your distance from each other, even if you have face shields and rebreathers on.
1482) Message boards : BOINC client : Amd OCL2 and OCL1.2 drivers won't co-exist on Boinc Manager but seems to work elsewhere (Message 99307)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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1) I have observed a similar, perhaps same problem under Windows 10 on this same box with a different HD booting Windows 10. I can replicate if needed.
Would be nice. However,

2) Using the command line: ./amdgpu-pro-install -y --opencl=pal,legacy --headless
I have rung changes of the above command line by repeatedly un-installing and re-installing either "pal", "legacy" or both.
The results I get never offer up a "OCL2" result in BOINC Manager unless the "pal" is used and vice versa.
The Radeon 5700 is never recognized by the Boinc Manager unless the "pal" is used.
The Rx 570 etc is never recognized by the Boinc Manager unless the "legacy" is used.
If "legacy" is installed, BM doesn't recognize the R5700 card.
if "pal" is installed, BM doesn't recognize the Rx 570 card.
If both are installed the BM will recognize one type of card but not the other.
this sounds more like a driver limitation than anything else. https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/amdgpu-installation shows that it works as is, Vega10 and newer cards use pal, Pre-Vega 10 uses legacy.
BOINC does its detection based on an OpenCL library on your system. If that library does contain one type of card, but not the other, it can't detect the other. Driver limitation. I'm not sure what the driver install does when you set to install both pal and legacy, if it installs only one OpenCL library or more than one. The BOINC client looks for libOpenCL.so and if that's not found, for libOpenCL.so.1

According to an AMD community post, pal and legacy are recognized as different platforms. When you install the mesa drivers on top of amd-gpu-pro it may recognize everything as one. Trouble is, as far as I understand, mesa is a different kind of OpenCL, so not all projects may work with it (I think Einstein does).

Edit: but once more, when you install just OpenCL 2.0 drivers, your older OpenCL 1.2 card won't be updated to OpenCL 2.0 just because the drivers are that. The OpenCL # is hardware based. Just like DirectX. So don't ever expect an RX 570 (OpenCL 1.2) to show as OpenCL 2.0 with OpenCL 2.0 drivers, because it cannot do this based on its hardware.
1483) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 ver 2004 - BOINC Manager C7.16.7 (x64) crash to BSOD (Message 99304)
Posted 16 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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her machine keeps crashing to BSOD
Install BlueScreenView, run it and it'll show what the BSODs say/said. No need for screen shots or photo's, just give the message that's printed. (Although if you mean to give photo's, they need to be on an external website. You can use Google Photo's with a shared album)

I have throttled back on CPU usage to 60% and it still crashed (AMD A8-7600 CPU)
Throttling the CPU that way still puts it at 100% bursts 6 seconds out of every 10. Better is to set use of one fewer core with the "Use at most N% of the CPUs" value. Set it to 99% to use just 3 cores.

But that said, BOINC doesn't do any crunching, it is a managing program, it doesn't put your CPU under load. That's done by the project's science application(s).
You only mentioned you are doing covid-19, but didn't tell via which project. Rosetta, World Community Grid, GPUGrid, other?
1484) Message boards : News : Rosetta@home studies coronavirus (Message 99294)
Posted 14 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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next to a 120mm fan that blows cool air over them.
It's a 230mm fan. See https://photos.app.goo.gl/wL8t7anUf7tqneXF6 for my setup.
1485) Message boards : BOINC client : Amd OCL2 and OCL1.2 drivers won't co-exist on Boinc Manager but seems to work elsewhere (Message 99293)
Posted 14 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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I don't think it's a limitation of the BOINC client's limitation of finding the RT 5700 when it's installed together with the RX 570s (or RX470s). But more a limitation of your Linux used, plus the PCIe to USB3 card you have it slotted into.

I see when you have the RX 5700 installed it's always detected as Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Device 731f (rev c4) by your Linux, never as an RX 5700.
You may have to ask at your Linux distro's forum if people there know how to get an RX 5700 recognized when it's in a throughput card. Get that fixed first.

It's too bad that the one time you seemed to put the RX 5700 directly into PCIe slot #1, you didn't grep the video, because that was the one time BOINC did recognize it correctly: Sat 13 Jun 2020 10:24:33 AM CDT | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon RX 5700 (driver version 3075.10 (PAL,LC), device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (3075.10), 8176MB, 8176MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)

By the way, you started off with saying: "Log with 2 Rx 570 gpus installed with fresh install of OCL2 and OCL1.2 drivers."
As far as I know you can only install one kind of drivers, and for the support it shouldn't matter. The OpenCL 1.2 or 2.0 is hardware based, it isn't added by software (the drivers). As long as the GPU is detected correctly by BOINC or the science application, the latter will use its capabilities to the fullest where necessary (although I don't think there are any projects yet that use OpenCL 2.0 applications, all probably use the backward compatible 1.0 or 1.1)
1486) Message boards : News : Rosetta@home studies coronavirus (Message 99291)
Posted 14 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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My Cellphone has been running non stop for almost a year, and both my older and newer phone now have blown up batteries.
There's a very simple solution for this and it's called a fan. My whole farm, 4 Android devices running Android 6 to 9, lie on top of a cabinet in my living room, next to a 120mm fan that blows cool air over them. The fan spins at 5V (half speed), which is enough to cool all the devices down and make sure the battery doesn't pop. The battery will only bulge and pop when it's getting too hot all the time. So active cool your devices and they'll survive.
1487) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI mentioned on BOINC main website? (Message 99285)
Posted 13 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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It's been removed and replaced with Rosetta@Home.
Thanks for spotting this.
1488) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI mentioned on BOINC main website? (Message 99284)
Posted 13 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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Dunno. Forwarded it to David.
1489) Message boards : Questions and problems : Second manager window. (Message 99275)
Posted 13 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
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And you need more for that than the correct username and password: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely
1490) Message boards : Android : No SETI project for Android BOINC, but it's on Windows BOINC (Message 99272)
Posted 13 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your BOINC on Windows has Seti already added but it won't be in the list of available projects anymore. So if you were to remove the project and want to add it again it will be missing from the list of available projects as well due to it being in hibernation.

Only active projects are on the list of the add project wizard.
1491) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does BOINC have a maximum limit on how much disk space it can use? (Message 99262)
Posted 12 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Couple of things:
6/11/2020 9:03:53 PM | | max disk usage: 276.88 GB
This is the maximum you set it can use.

6/11/2020 9:09:43 PM | Rosetta@home | Message from server: Rosetta needs 970.59MB more disk space. You currently have 746.03 MB available and it needs 1716.61 MB.
6/11/2020 9:09:55 PM | GPUGRID | Message from server: New version of ACEMD needs 3070.41MB more disk space. You currently have 744.28 MB available and it needs 3814.70 MB.
But your problem is different.

6/11/2020 9:14:42 PM | | max disk usage: 251.43 GB
So then you changed preferences.

6/11/2020 9:40:02 PM | | max disk usage: 276.90 GB
And again.

None of that helped.
However, the disk space preferences aren't just set by "Use no more than N GB", but also by "Leave at least N GB free" and more critically, "Use no more than N% of total".
What are all those values set to?

If in doubt, post the contents of your global_prefs_override.xml file. You can open the file with a default ASCII text editor.
1492) Message boards : BOINC client : Amd OCL2 and OCL1.2 drivers won't co-exist on Boinc Manager but seems to work elsewhere (Message 99258)
Posted 11 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So you report a possible bug but don't provide any evidence (logs) and can't return to a situation in which you can get the logs. Why then report this?
Also nothing in old logs in stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old?
1493) Message boards : BOINC client : Amd OCL2 and OCL1.2 drivers won't co-exist on Boinc Manager but seems to work elsewhere (Message 99254)
Posted 11 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where are those first 30 lines of the log then?
1494) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99236)
Posted 10 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe they just pulled the plug.
1495) Message boards : Questions and problems : Upgrade wiped all projects (Message 99235)
Posted 10 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Default data directory on Windows is C:\Programdata\BOINC which is a hidden folder, so put the path directly in File Explorer's path finder and hit Enter.
1496) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 99225)
Posted 10 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's the new normal it seems, not answering any questions. DA stopped answering mine two months ago. Doesn't matter what I send his way, I get only silence in return.
1497) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc screen saver (Message 99207)
Posted 9 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have 2 laptops running 7.16.7 of BOINC for SETI as of this past week.
Seti@Home is in hibernation, as in it doesn't give out new work - only some resends of past work gone by deadline for others. Only when you actually run work do you get the Seti screen saver. Your communication deferred is correct as your computers are asking for work from a project that doesn't have any.
1498) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99184)
Posted 8 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I normally don't advertise good stuff, but damn I'm hooked. Over the past week I've bought several Displates, which are a sort of posters from metal that you stick to the wall with a magnet. So far I got two of Blazing Saddles, one of Westworld, one of Alyx and just bought one of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the green trickling numbers of the Matrix. All these look quite slick.
1499) Message boards : Android : BOINC projects running under Android 10 (Message 99171)
Posted 7 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
At this moment Einstein has different problems - an outdated certificate used for communications. This makes it that some BOINC versions, especially 7.4.53 (the present stable) can not report finished tasks.
1500) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unfinished Tasks Question. (Message 99170)
Posted 7 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
...Which is why you can modify the value to eg: 60. That way every 60 minutes the client should swap out tasks.
You're missing the point. When a task is stuck, it doesn't get swapped out. It can even survive a BOINC exit and restart, by staying running in memory outside of the new BOINC instance. So advising to put the switch applications every N minutes value to something ludicrous high doesn't help on stuck tasks. They don't swap out of memory or BOINC once stuck. At the end of whichever value you set for N, all non-stuck tasks gets swapped out but the stuck task is stuck, it doesn't go anywhere. It's no longer reacting to anything BOINC tells it, but for maybe an abort command. And even that's not always working.

About the only safe way to get rid of them is a reboot, if the OS allows that. I mean, my Windows 10 stops rebooting and waiting for me to click an option if I leave Winamp open... go figure.
1501) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 99153)
Posted 6 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah all right. I looked that up and found https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1290032/SpaceX-stream-cut-Falcon-landing-what-hiding-SpaceX-hoax-NASA-CGI

However, SpaceX fans have explained the live stream anomaly was caused by vibration from the Falcon's nine Merlin engines.
According to the YouTube channel Primal Space, SpaceX's feeds often cut out before the exciting moment.

In a video titled Why does the SpaceX droneship camera cut out?, a voiceover says: "With the droneship being in such a remote location, the live video feed has to be transmitted via satellite.

"A large antenna on the droneship sends a directional signal towards the satellite, which will then transmit that footage back down to the broadcast team." The signal from the droneship is directional so that it is strong enough to reach the satellite. But as the Falcon 9 approaches the vessel, the thrust generated by the rocket's engines begins to uncontrollably shake the droneship.

The vibrations cause the ship's antenna to briefly lose contact with the transmission satellite. As the rocket powers down in a vertical position, the ship stabilises and reconnects with the satellite.
Of course now we go on to the next conspiracy, about what that mouse was doing on the rocket while in outer space. ;-)
Ice or water falling down and vaporizing on the hot nozzle!
1502) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unfinished Tasks Question. (Message 99145)
Posted 5 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure, because you cut my response, and took words out of context.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make it out of context, I used the ellipsis (...) to signal I cut the long quote, people can look up the rest of the text and you know what you wrote. All the double, triple, quadruple etc. full quoting of whole posts is what makes things totally unreadable, especially on mobile devices. Therefore it's easier (for me) to cut the quote to the parts I react to.

What I was saying is that, adjusting this value (to a lower value) will prevent the CPU from running a stalled Wu for too long.

And setting it to 999 will disable boinc from switching WUs for at a maximum of 999 minutes. But if a Wu stalls, it'll stall for a long time.

But if a task is stalled, it doesn't matter what value you set here because a stalled task doesn't get switched out. It's stalled. Either it stays running in memory even after BOINC was cut out, or if you're lucky it eventually errs due to going over set restrictions, or if you're unlucky it stays running for absolutely forever while BOINC runs. I've seen that happen with the new Rosetta 4.20 app and their Junior_HalfRoid tasks. These don't checkpoint that often and when stuck, they'll be stuck for days. Had some that were 6.3 days over the deadline when I found out.
1503) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 99143)
Posted 5 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's no reason why it would now.
There were thunderstorms in the neighborhood of the launch platform and therefore if the drone ship was relaying its signals via the Kennedy Space Center, it's very well possible lightning took down the feed for a while. Where technology is concerned things will go wrong at the weirdest of times. Doesn't mean they hide something or that there's need for a conspiracy.
1504) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 99135)
Posted 5 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: Netflix changed the way you can see your personal information.
Found tonight I had asked for the information and still not gotten it. Tweedledum.
1505) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC doesn't utilize all CPU cores on Windows-based systems with more than 64 processors (Message 99093)
Posted 4 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/1357
Also read https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/devtest/boot-parameters-to-test-drivers-for-multiple-processor-group-support to enable this in Windows.
1506) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompetent BOINC Programmers (Message 99088)
Posted 4 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Always fun to see how people still can't use versions.php
But then I shouldn't laugh as I've been there as well. :)
1507) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error (Message 99087)
Posted 4 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't do any work therefore the error tasks get are also not its fault. You have to ask at the project what went wrong as its their application that faulted here. Check their forums for information (you can search): http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_index.php

And seeing how this is with application 4.20, best ask in Rosetta 4.1+ and 4.2+
1508) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 99083)
Posted 4 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No it didn't, you are making it a conspiracy by claiming they tried to hide it. Digital cameras just cut their signal going from an image one second to nothing the next. So then you see the test signal, showing there's a problem with the feed, that is automated to cut in there.

You posted the link to the four year old footage claiming to be present footage. Footage someone else posted, not SpaceX. So you are feeding the conspiracy where there is none.
1509) Message boards : Projects : Seti@Home in hibernation (Message 99082)
Posted 4 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, I am with Jim on this. He asked on the forums, didn't get an answer. You then dangle a worm in front of him, but when asked to give evidence you tell him to do a search? Come on. You're the one claiming to have the knowledge, so then spill that by giving a link.

Else for any next question you have for these forums anyone can legitimately call you out to do a search yourself.

So stop baiting. Either fess up or shut up.
1510) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompetent BOINC Programmers (Message 99081)
Posted 4 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, the programmers and developers don't frequent these forums so if you want to rub against the good volunteers that do frequent these forums and call us all liars because no one checked the validity of some certificate for crucial communications with a lot of projects then be my guest. Humans make mistakes.

We cannot predict what the BOINC Release Manager is going to add to a next BOINC unless one of us becomes that person next. The present RM does what he wants and listens to no-one.

So for future reference, some future BOINC will have the fixes added and most probably have new annoyances added. Which then take absolutely forever to get fixed again.

I don't even know why this version needed a new version number, seeing how they're in the process of releasing an Android client with the new certificates file with the same version number as the present stable version. That could've been done for the Windows version as well. (and still nothing about the 32bit client, right?)
1511) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompetent BOINC Programmers (Message 99075)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's possible he ran some test versions, internally or with the other developers. But other than that I really can't think of anything.
1512) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 99074)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only fix in this one is the up-to-date ca-bundle.crt certification file to allow contacting projects. None of the other bug fixes have made it into this one.
1513) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompetent BOINC Programmers (Message 99072)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know. You should ask him why he jumped from 7.16.6 to 7.16.15: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc/+builds?build_state=built
1514) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompetent BOINC Programmers (Message 99070)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nightly tarball?
1515) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompetent BOINC Programmers (Message 99068)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked about those fixes being included and was ignored. So yes. Fun.
1516) Message boards : Questions and problems : boincmgr won't start with Windows 10 (Message 99064)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
With 'the tray icon utility' you mean boinctray.exe, right? This is the BOINC idle detection program, it doesn't run in the tray or shows an icon.
BOINC Manager when started shows the icon in the system tray. The BOINC client does not.
1517) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 99048)
Posted 3 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Notices are not for user attention, or things the user needs to change or adjust. They're for news and other non-intrusive messages. No action needed things.
1518) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 99040)
Posted 2 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
They know: https://calnetweb.berkeley.edu/calnet-technologists/incommon-sectigo-certificate-service/addtrust-external-root-expiration-may-2020
1519) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 99033)
Posted 2 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
~4 years old, August 2016 (see comments).

But it does show the booster will land in the 10 second window that the feed went offline. And the clouds in the background fit both sides of the cutoff.
1520) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 99016)
Posted 1 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Look in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues though (for any and all Android issues)
1521) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 99014)
Posted 1 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm currently looking into a way of editing the BOINC APK file. If I succeed, I will post a workaround on this forum.
As far as I can see from Github the developers there are in the process of releasing a new 7.4.53, perhaps with the adjusted certificates file. They run into different difficulties though.
1522) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer always suspended - Linux Pop!OS (Message 98982)
Posted 1 Jun 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So you ignored your other thread with the same questions on this: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13757
1523) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unfinished Tasks Question. (Message 98972)
Posted 31 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The first one is prioritizing WUs with lower deadline.
A mechanism that allows WUs to be done first, so they don't time out.
It's something that's built in, and you can't disable it from Manager.
You're talking about the scheduler, which is FIFO based (first in, first out) and which will only go into EDF (earliest deadline first) mode when tasks are in danger of missing their deadline. Normally the ones with the longer deadline. Which is why people are always complaining that tasks with an earlier deadline are waiting to be done while BOINC runs tasks with a later deadline almost exclusively.

BOINC its main purpose that it will always try to follow is to get all work it's got in cache done by their individual deadlines. And when that's impossible, due to the user micromanaging or because there's so much work in cache that it can't be all done by deadline, BOINC will still try to get as much scheduled for running as it can.

To prevent the CPU to be passive when you're not around, until you manually address the issue, the Boinc client has a setting that can be adjusted in the manager, that will lengthen auto rotation of WUs.

...

If you set this value to 999, Boinc won't autorotate on most WUs anymore, however, if one WU is 'frozen', it could remain frozen (cpu core unused) for the remainder of the 999 minutes.
So you tell the guy to go adjust this value, because you first claim this will prevent the CPU from being passive, to then say the CPU may be passive for the whole of the 999 minutes when the task has hung? What kind of advice is that?
1524) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 98959)
Posted 31 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess this also means the death of HTC Power to Give (based on BOINC 7.4.39). It was working so very well for me until this point (temperature limits are a bliss)...
Disabling the expired certificates in settings didn't fix the issue for me, editing the ca-bundle.crt also seems really difficult (I need to root my device for that, really?)
The BOINC programs and data directories are under the root data directory, at ./data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc and cannot be looked at or edited without having rooted the device. Total Commander will give an error even when you try to look at ./data, let alone anything deeper.
1525) Message boards : GPUs : GPU Computation Suspending (Message 98940)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Similar problems also reported in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/3715, with as a workaround going back to 7.16.3 to solve it. So something in 7.16.6 broke idle detection again, perhaps another update to x-server? Or don't we use x-server anymore to detect idle time?
1526) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 98936)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
First stage landed again safely.
1527) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 98934)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go!
1528) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 98933)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Live lightning map: https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=nl#m=oss;t=3;s=0;o=0;b=;ts=0;z=9;y=28.2197;x=-80.3581;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;
1529) Message boards : The Lounge : Will Dragon lift off today? (Message 98929)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Keep one eye glued to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIZsnKGV8TE to see if Dragon Crew gets launched today.
1530) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 98928)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, it's slightly impossible to update the ca-bundle.crt under Android, unless one has rooted their device. So it's very much possible this completely breaks 7.4.53
(And yes, my non connect @Einstein is that other certificate expiration.)
1531) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 98926)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've checked my Android devices. Einstein may be one. I have work to report but the servers are down or unreachable.
Rosetta uploads stop with transient errors.
But no trouble with Universe or Asteroids.
1532) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 98912)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric Schreurs, 61, Dutch cartoonist (Joop Klepzeiker)
1533) Message boards : Questions and problems : Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (Message 98911)
Posted 30 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-update-ca-certificates/?

Btw, nice to see you're still around Toby! :)
1534) Message boards : Projects : quarantine@Home (Message 98880)
Posted 29 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have their admin email the BOINC Projects email list for a request for help: https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/forum/#!forum/boinc_projects
1535) Message boards : Android : Cannot add ScienceUnited as an account manager (Message 98876)
Posted 28 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
AFAIK it's already an option in 7.16
But the Android client for BOINC is being rebuilt from the ground up to be compliant with Android 10 and above, so it will be in there then.
1536) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98859)
Posted 27 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No English people dropping Use media to increase sense of personal threat here yet? For "Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures"

Heh: Consider use of social disapproval for failure to comply
1537) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running too many tasks the require lots of RAM. (Message 98858)
Posted 27 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project sends an estimated memory usage value to BOINC along with the task. Basically it's determined from this value if the task can run. If the project grossly underestimates the value, where it's way lower than what it actually uses, you get the trouble you describe. But that's hardly BOINC its fault as it can't know what it didn't get provided. That's wholly the project's fault and you should report this to them, that the value they send in rsc_memory_bound is too low.

The values set in BOINC for memory use when idle and in use are used when tasks run, and if tasks run out of the memory restrictions set here BOINC should suspend those tasks. The restrictions only work when Activity is set to "Run based on preferences".

I've tested this with Rosetta. Set memory restrictions to 1% (of 32GB). Two Rosetta Mini tasks immediately suspend with "Waiting for memory":
27/05/2020 16:31:30 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task hp100_run0985_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_904300_920_0 can't run, too big 1907.35MB > 326.93MB
27/05/2020 16:31:30 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task hp100_run1579_relax_SAVE_ALL_OUT_904300_947_0 can't run, too big 1907.35MB > 326.93MB


LOL, now the other tasks are downloaded, all are suspended:
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task fdcc2f249c67f4ad4e008c0ad6d83fac_relax_SAVE_ALL_OUT_939475_17_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task Deep_learning_folding_energy_landscape_wt_frags_mutationsG.6MRS._1_V70_fragments_abinitio_SAVE_ALL_OUT_940449_172_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task 29d59ee9cec6df38d1c55e76a824d510_relax_SAVE_ALL_OUT_939475_17_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task rb_05_27_26972_26532__t000__3_C1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_940541_28_0 can't run, too big 858.31MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task Junior_HalfRoid_design6_cart_COVID-19_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_2ba7kz4j_929576_29_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task Junior_HalfRoid_design6_cart_COVID-19_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_6ct3sa2l_929381_25_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task ff_0_721D94cE4e7c7EEA_fragments_abinitio_SAVE_ALL_OUT_940238_436_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task ff_0_75F42Ac1B949395A_fragments_abinitio_SAVE_ALL_OUT_940240_436_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task c1f8a8e23ad09d1d28ee5590916ff32e_fold_SAVE_ALL_OUT_939475_17_0 can't run, too big 1716.61MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Rosetta@home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task hp100_run1579_relax_SAVE_ALL_OUT_904300_947_0 can't run, too big 1907.35MB > 89.04MB
27/05/2020 16:40:44 | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce: task h1_1589.75_O2C02Cl4In0__O2MDFV2h_VelaJr1_1590.70Hz_444_0 can't run, too big 237.01MB > 89.04MB
These now show they're waiting until memory clears up, as the maximum amount it can still use is 89MB
1538) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to attach to Universe@home (Message 98854)
Posted 27 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see this one: https://universeathome.pl/universe/show_host_detail.php?hostid=563293
Isn't that it?
Otherwise there's this: https://universeathome.pl/universe/show_host_detail.php?hostid=563296

Both created the 27th of May. But seeing how the Nano has a 32bit CPU, I'd suspect it's the first one with the ARMv7 CPU.
1539) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seeking BOINC representative for partnership discussion (Message 98837)
Posted 26 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You asked me too, and I told you I informed the Project Management Committee (PMC). They're deliberating if and who should talk to you, and if that best be done now or after their meeting in two weeks time.
I can't make it any easier than that.
1540) Message boards : Android : Android BOINC 7.4.53 too old for Einstein@Home (Message 98830)
Posted 26 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What did the title say?
1541) Message boards : Android : Android BOINC 7.4.53 too old for Einstein@Home (Message 98827)
Posted 26 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oliver Behnke wrote:
The current stable BOINC Android app can't communicate with our project anymore. Our dedicated TLS certificate chain to support clients with ancient certificate authorities finally expired. Thus clients older than 7.10 (and using BOINC's own CA bundle) won't connect anymore. The CA bundle in 7.4 is more than six years old and our intermediate CA is eight (!) months younger than that bundle.
1542) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98821)
Posted 25 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The coincidence!
1543) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98819)
Posted 25 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, found it. In Windows 10, when you set Personalize->Colors->Choose your color to Dark, everything in FF and Chrome changes to Seti background colours. That's scary.
1544) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98818)
Posted 25 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sent it off to David. I see it with both my accounts, in two different browsers. Not in Edge though. Hmmm.
1545) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98816)
Posted 25 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Inspector says my background colour is #222222, which is the same at Seti. All names, message IDs, links etc. are orange. Bars are blue.
1546) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98814)
Posted 25 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Someone tell me, am I crazy or did the colours on this forum change to those of Seti@Home? I don't see it on my mobile, but do in FF and Chrome on my PC. Just asking, before some dark theme nestled itself on my PC.
1547) Message boards : Questions and problems : Changed Graphics Card but Tasks Looking for Old Card (Message 98813)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can't run tasks for an Nividia GPU on an AMD GPU as they use different science applications and the tasks are registered to the other GPU. So you can abort all work that is appointed to the Nvidia GPU.

Then go to the website of your project(s), to your account, project preferences, edit them, uncheck use of the Nvidia GPU, check use of the ATI/AMD GPU, save changes to the website.
Only then will BOINC ask for work for the AMD GPU and start running those.

I do hope you uninstalled the Nvidia drivers, as else those may give trouble in the long run.

Einstein project preferences: https://einsteinathome.org/account/prefs/project, also you used to use the Intel GPU built into the CPU. Missing drivers?
Asteroids project preferences: https://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/prefs.php?subset=project (you can only uncheck use of the Nvidia GPU, they don't have support for the AMD GPU, only CPU)
Milkyway project preferences: https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/prefs.php?subset=project
Seti@Home is no longer giving out work.
And yes, you have to go to each website's project preferences. There's no option (aside from an account manager) to do this from one website.
1548) Message boards : Questions and problems : Current Hardware Usage Column Removed? (Message 98808)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, at least that shows that your Status column is visible (and not closed). So then the trouble will be that LHC doesn't have a GPU application (although I'm also not sure if they have one in a VM).
1549) Message boards : Questions and problems : Current Hardware Usage Column Removed? (Message 98806)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to check something.

Open regedit
Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager
Expand Tasks
-> What does it say for the ColumnOrder?
Expand Status
-> What does it say for Width?
1550) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98796)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: Netflix changed the way you can see your personal information. In the past this was just an option in your account. No more.
Now you go to your account, ask to see your personal information, give up your password, then go to your email to confirm that you did that request. Then back to the site and give up your password a second time. And then they'll gather the information and will notify you in email when that's done. This process can take up to 30 days to finish... yes, really nice.

I only wanted to see where the heck I had stopped watching a series. But I'll wait.
1551) Message boards : Questions and problems : Specifically assigning cores to projects (Message 98788)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Firstly, since I didn't write it, it would be monumentally simpler for someone who wrote it to change it.
You know where to find them: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
1552) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16.5 for Win, 7.16.6 for Mac released to the public (Message 98786)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did I miss something and was 7.16.3 for 32 bit pulled back ? Or is the Download page missing an update ?
7.16.3 was a beta version, it never made it to a recommended version for any of the platforms due to bugs. So when the decision was made to not support 32bit Windows any further, it was easier to keep the working 7.14.2 as the default version for 32bit Windows and go with 7.16.5 for 64bit Windows.
1553) Message boards : Questions and problems : Specifically assigning cores to projects (Message 98785)
Posted 24 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There must be a simpler way than this, why is Boinc written so badly?

This shows how to get the source code;
This shows how to compile it

Go and make it better than it was, if you find it written so badly. It's only 512,227 lines of code for all of BOINC. A doozy.
1554) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple Problems (Message 98758)
Posted 23 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to a code-mismatch, 7.16.5 doesn't start the default log flags of task, sched_ops and file_xfer. You can see that in your event log, as the second line will always show what the log flags are, like this showing from my machine:

23/05/2020 21:46:22 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.16.5 for windows_x86_64
23/05/2020 21:46:22 |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, checkpoint_debug, coproc_debug, sched_op_debug
23/05/2020 21:46:22 |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2s zlib/1.2.8
23/05/2020 21:46:22 |  | Data directory: G:\BOINC

When checking your event log it goes:
5/23/2020 10:25:37 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.16.5 for windows_x86_64
5/23/2020 10:25:37 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2s zlib/1.2.8
5/23/2020 10:25:37 | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC

Going into the Event Log options menu and clicking Save will fix that. Then you have a lot more information about things happening in the background.

As for your Cosmology trouble, see http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7711#22484 for advice (and possibly post into it).
We don't generally give help here about project tasks, because you then should happen to come across someone knowledgeable about those and that's better done at the project's boards.

I've noticed now that it takes quite a while for my BOINC to start up - I have no tasks running in it, yet it took almost 40 seconds to populate the manager. As long as the manager hasn't yet communicated with the client, you can't use things like the add project wizard's projects as they haven't been read in yet.
23/05/2020 21:46:23 |  | Setting up project and slot directories
23/05/2020 21:47:02 |  | Checking active tasks
1555) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple Problems (Message 98756)
Posted 23 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Science United is not a project but an account manager. You don't add it via the Add Projects wizard but via the account manager wizard. If you don't plan on using an account manager, remove Science United.

Now for something completely different: please open BOINC Manager, View->Advanced view->Options->Event Log options->make sure only task, file_xfer and sched_op are checked->Save.

After that wait a full round for communications with your projects and post the event log again.

While in Advanced view, Tasks tab, make sure that on the left it says "Show active tasks", not "Show all tasks". If it says "Show all tasks", click this button so it changes to "Show active tasks". This button shows the option you have, not the state it is in.
When in he All tasks view, are any of the tasks now showing they're suspended (by you, or other means)?
1556) Message boards : Questions and problems : account, userids, projects. (Message 98752)
Posted 23 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's clear.
The BOINC account is an account for this site only, to be able to post on these forums. It's not used anywhere else in BOINC, not in the client, not in the manager, not in Github, not in the wiki's, not even for the BOINC Wide Teams page. And not in any of the projects, as those all need their own login, thus their own user ID/project account.

If you never made an account for these forums, you never had a BOINC account.
1557) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple Problems (Message 98734)
Posted 22 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you post your BOINC messages from the Event Log, please?

One with task, file_xfer and sched,_op enabled and preferably showing both events happening.
1558) Message boards : Questions and problems : Accessing my projects resource share (Message 98733)
Posted 22 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The computing preferences are global. Use of hardware resources is set by project because not all of them support the same hardware, CPU, AMD GPU, Nvidia GPU, Intel GPU.

And the one site you can set that all at is one you didn't want to use (and don't need to): an account manager such as BAM.
1559) Message boards : The Lounge : Zen 3 Ryzen 4000 speculation (Message 98728)
Posted 21 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least AMD listened to its audience (whine) when they said that the next generation Ryzen needed a new motherboard and that X470/B450 wasn't going to be supported. They've now said they're looking into support for these chipsets, if the BIOS can hold all the information.
1560) Message boards : Questions and problems : Accessing my projects resource share (Message 98727)
Posted 21 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
While in most projects resource share is called exactly that, do know that for WCG it's called Project Weight. Bottom of this page.
1561) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc automatically assigning CPU projects when CPU WUs are disabled! BUG! (Message 98721)
Posted 21 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The client does not change project preferences on the website, it cannot do that, it doesn't have the capability to do that - no write options for those preferences, only for the global computing preferences. Project preferences changing by themselves is something you report to the project. Maybe someone has access to your account.

Also make sure that on the project preferences website you uncheck lines saying things like "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?", because if that's set to Yes, that will give you work even for resources you have unchecked.
1562) Message boards : GPUs : Microsoft WSL 2 will support gpu acceleration (Message 98710)
Posted 21 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I cannot understand why use Vb linux on linux machine. But it's my limit.
Projects send out a VM with (preferably) Scientific Linux or another stripped of non-essential parts Linux, which they build the applications on that run in the VM. This so the user doesn't have to add all kinds of libraries to be compatible.

Whit 1 billion of Win10 machines, seems not a big problem.
A couple of things.
Sales show 1 billion copies of Windows 10 sold, doesn't mean they all run. For instance, I have 5 copies lying around here, only two of which I use.
Windows 7 still has about 200 million users in the USA alone. Windows 8/8.1 still around 50 million. Even if BOINC had just 1% of those numbers, we'd be cutting off a lot of potential users just by stating they need a Windows 10 requirement because of WSL2 support for just two or three projects. That's not worth it.

BOINC supports Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10, as long as they're using 64bit versions.
1563) Message boards : The Lounge : I found the oldest message on boinc (Message 98705)
Posted 20 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Didn't know Jord was here at that time as well!
I came with the forums.
1564) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please, help - too many downloaded jobs/too many jobs in progress (Message 98698)
Posted 20 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Prioritise, no. But both your questions can be handled with an app_config.xml file in each project's sub-directory in the data directory.
See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Project-level_configuration for more on that. I haven't yet used any of these on my system, so will leave it to someone else to hopefully walk by and help you write them.

But essentially it'll be something like:
<app_config>
<app_version>
<app_name>rosetta</app_name>
<avg_ncpus>4</avg_ncpus>
</app_version>
<app_version>
<app_name>minirosetta</app_name>
<avg_ncpus>4</avg_ncpus>
</app_version>
<project_max_concurrent>4</project_max_concurrent
</app_config>
for Rosetta. The above has two sections for each distinct Rosetta application, it's normal Rosetta app and the Minirosetta app. You save the app_config.xml file into the BOINC/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/ directory.

I don't know the application names for the other projects. And also don't quite sure the above works (though it should).

What you can also do with Rosetta is turn the Target CPU run time of the tasks down via its project preferences. Default they're set to 8 hours and those can take up to 1.3GB per task. Set to lower times will also lower the memory usage.
1565) Message boards : GPUs : Microsoft WSL 2 will support gpu acceleration (Message 98686)
Posted 20 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Virtualbox doesn't just run on Windows, but also on Mac OS and Linux. And what about older Windows versions that don't have wsl?
1566) Message boards : BOINC client : Why not use whole numbers instead of % for multiprocessor usage? (Message 98675)
Posted 19 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC devs (when they were still just David, Charlie and Rom) used to look here, but that time is long past. Rom no longer develops BOINC, Charlie has retired and David doesn't even look into things when I ask him to. Development of BOINC has moved to community based development and the community has chosen that their favorite platform for communication is Github, although you ought to be able to get answers on the BOINC email lists as well.

So, Github here: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
Email lists there: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/EmailLists

These forums state on their index:
These messages boards are for the discussion of BOINC, not projects.
These message boards are frequented by volunteers. It's likely (but not guaranteed) that they'll be able to respond to your questions or suggestions.
Not developers. Although even those sometimes pass by, if you're lucky. And some may already have answered.
1567) Message boards : GPUs : I can't get Intel HD Graphics 4000 to work on Ubuntu 18.04 (Message 98673)
Posted 19 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
OpenCL is made for GPUs.
OpenCL was originally made for CPUs and GPUs, at the time it was even planned to run on SoCs in Ethernet cards, Soundcards and other add-on cards with dedicated processing power.
Apparently AMD has dropped support for OpenCL for Ryzen (at least on Windows), but Intel still has runtime drivers and apps for OpenCL on the CPU.
1568) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install error 1706 (Message 98671)
Posted 19 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try using https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed to get rid of the old installer.
1569) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please, help - too many downloaded jobs/too many jobs in progress (Message 98670)
Posted 19 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
In that case I can forego all other options and point out <exclude_gpu> in cc_config.xml: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Options

<exclude_gpu>
Don't use the given GPU for the given project. If <device_num> is not specified, exclude all GPUs of the given type. <type> is required if your computer has more than one type of GPU; otherwise it can be omitted. <app> specifies the short name of an application (i.e. the <name> element within the <app> element in client_state.xml). If specified, only tasks for that app are excluded. You may include multiple <exclude_gpu> elements. If you change GPU exclusions, you must restart the BOINC client for these changes to take effect. If you want to exclude the GPU use for all projects, look at the <ignore_ati_dev>, <ignore_nvidia_dev> and <ignore_intel_dev> options further down. Requires a client restart.

<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   [<device_num>N</device_num>]
   [<type>NVIDIA|ATI|intel_gpu</type>]
   [<app>appname</app>]
</exclude_gpu>

With the above option you can exclude the weaker GPU per project, if you have more than one. You write one such section per project in cc_config.xml

E.g.
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/</url>
<device_num>0</device_num>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
</exclude_gpu>
</options>
</cc_config>
This will exclude Nvidia GPU 0 from being used at Einstein@Home.
The type is used if you have more than one device 0 in your list. When you have an AMD, Intel and Nvidia GPU, they're all device 0, as the numbering is per GPU class.
1570) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please, help - too many downloaded jobs/too many jobs in progress (Message 98633)
Posted 19 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are several options, but I am restricted in my time for now so will answer you tonight my time.

A quick solution is to remove the use_all_gpus option from cc_config.xml and restart the client. Then only the better GPU is used.

But plenty of fine tuning to do that I will tip on tonight. If someone else doesn't already chip them in.
1571) Message boards : BOINC client : Why not use whole numbers instead of % for multiprocessor usage? (Message 98620)
Posted 18 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/2695:
% is future-proof, # is not
1572) Message boards : Web interfaces : Notification of moving, locking, hiding etc. (Message 98611)
Posted 18 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hide no. Moderators see hidden posts.
You can ask an administrator to delete them though. Then they will be gone, out of the database.

I do that here on these forums.
1573) Message boards : Web interfaces : Notification of moving, locking, hiding etc. (Message 98605)
Posted 18 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set "How should we notify you of new private messages, friend requests, posts in subscribed threads, and other events? On my Account page (no email) " in your community preferences. Then you only get the notification in PM. You get it for double checking, and in case someone nefarious does manage to take over your account.
The emails are sent to all moderators for social checking that you didn't go insane and started banning people left and right with no reason or are hiding posts while in a fight with someone.
1574) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 98602)
Posted 18 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Geno Silva, 72, American actor (Scarface, 1941, Tequila Sunrise, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Amistad, Hill Street Blues, Miami Vice, Walker, Texas Ranger, Star Trek: Enterprise and Alias)
1575) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98601)
Posted 18 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, if GG-45 uses different connectors, then I don't know what these cables are as they use standard RJ-45s (probably 6a then). In any case, none of these cables should default to just 30Mbit.
1576) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98595)
Posted 17 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: two of the cat7 cables I have laid are broken, one gives me only 100Mbit speeds, the other up to 30Mbit! I wish I could go back to the store with them but I threw away the receipt.
1577) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please, help - too many downloaded jobs/too many jobs in progress (Message 98594)
Posted 17 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for the xml files BOINC doesn't use config_aux. It uses an app_config.xml file, It goes in the project specific folder. Under Debian and Ubuntu it would be:
/var/lib/boinc-client/projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/app_config.xml

I am very surprised with the fact that BOINC ignores config_aux.xml, it is clearly describbed here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectConfigFile So, how could I know what is taken and what is ignored by the software? Is there any documentation which provides a correct configuration description? Let me know, please.
config_aux.xml is a file on the server, it's used for configurations of the BOINC back-end on the project's server. It's not a file you can use on the client. BOINC for users only has app_info.xml, app_config.xml and cc_config.xml

You're in the wrong wiki, the user manual starts here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual
1578) Message boards : Questions and problems : No Running Tasks (Message 98591)
Posted 17 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
SETI@home is in hiberation
1579) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98582)
Posted 17 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
My system survived the move. It's living on top of the new desk I just put together. Will need a longer DP cable as 5 feet just doesn't cut it. Allekabels.nl here I come. (No spam)
1580) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98581)
Posted 17 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind not posting your signature to this thread, and not giving technical help? Plenty of forum outside this thread for both of those.
1581) Message boards : Questions and problems : possible malware flaged in wcgrid files (Message 98580)
Posted 17 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The server that BOINC talks to runs Linux, so if that's hacked to provide viruses the project has a far greater problem than that it's sending out viruses to BOINC clients.
And even then, the clients that talk to the server don't all run Linux as well, some do Windows, others FreeBSD, others Android, others Mac OS, others other exotics. This makes the chance that your system gets a virus that can run on your system pretty low. Because the payload is either for Linux, or Windows, or Mac OS or... and those can't run on other OSes.

Yes, it's possible a project is hacked and it sends out viruses for Windows systems only, but the chance that it does that for long is pretty slim.
1582) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Indicator for (Ubuntu) Linux? (Message 98575)
Posted 17 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You mean something like Boinctui? https://code.google.com/archive/p/boinctui/
1583) Message boards : Android : BOINC hangs during start up with white screen with logo (splash screen) (Message 98529)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not possible to move the client to an SD card, because then it won't be able to run in a secure way. The client installs bits of itself to the root directory to make sure it cannot be tampered with. Also it will download separate applications that run the science, a thing Android doesn't like when done from anywhere but the secure directories.

So don't move it. If it gives you space trouble, then don't run BOINC on thay device. Or clean other apps off to make enough space.
1584) Message boards : BOINC Manager : (bug) Account Manager fails silently when password is too complex (Message 98516)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the developer of Science United.
1585) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage while using my PC (Message 98510)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Option 2 is also available via the BOINC Manager advanced view, via the Options, Exclusive Applications menu.

Also make sure Activity is set to Run based on preferences. When set to Run always, it'll ignore in use preferences.
1586) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98502)
Posted 14 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed my smart thermostat and it decided it's cold in the house so the heating is on now. That's a housewarming. :)
1587) Message boards : GPUs : GPU preferences (Message 98499)
Posted 14 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go to the project's website, project preferences, edit those and deselect the GPUs then save changes to the website. The next time BOINC contacts the project it will get those preferences in.
1588) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98498)
Posted 14 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I read that as if your neighbor had drunk all while you were out. 🤣
1589) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98490)
Posted 14 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: I have moved.
Grumble: My computer room holds all 38 boxes. Don't expect my gaming system to be online yet overnight. My TV server though, that I type this on, works great. Just put its 5.1 sounds system back on and everything works.

Now the bed...
1590) Message boards : GPUs : I can't get Intel HD Graphics 4000 to work on Ubuntu 18.04 (Message 98477)
Posted 13 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are only a few projects supporting Intel CPUs.
This statement in its present state is severely incorrect. Perhaps you meant to say Intel GPUs. Perhaps you truly meant it to differentiate with AMD CPUs. Even when one installs OpenCL for the Intel CPU the statement is incorrect.

All projects that have CPU applications support Intel CPUs, but the same code can be run on AMD CPUs.
Not all projects support GPUs, those that do, don't all support all brands and models.
No project has OpenCL applications for CPUs, but at least one has multi-threaded applications that use all cores on the CPU.
1591) Message boards : BOINC client : save_stats_days not working (Message 98474)
Posted 13 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends. How many days did you set it to? It's not instantaneous as far as I know, it'll take a couple of scheduler contacts per project and even then it doesn't adjust the stats on every contact (only when credit changes have taken place).
1592) Message boards : Questions and problems : Apparent error for Boinc MSI not found with multiple attempts (Message 98473)
Posted 13 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
See https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_Installer_Error_1706:_Setup_cannot_find_the_required_files
Also do know that Seti is no more. It's gone into hibernation, there is no more work to be had. See https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85267 for all the news on that.
1593) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98428)
Posted 10 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
A little bit of both. Glory for the move, grumble that I have to do much of everything by myself as all the people who said they would help have so far turned me down.
1594) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98426)
Posted 10 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
This Thursday I will move house, so in the coming days until about next week I'll be only sporadically available. Depends on when I can move all my equipment, my new computer desk isn't coming until Friday - and then I have to assemble it myself. But today I fastened all cable trays onto the baseboards and strung all the Cat7 Ethernet cables through, so that's done. I will probably wait with disassembling my whole network and all until after the move, I'll only move the TV and Quantus 3D soundbar to the other side, perhaps the TV server and NAS as well. Internet depends on when I can get the serviceman to come as I don't have my cable TV/internet/radio/telephone splitter in my new apartment, so my ISP will have to send someone to do that.

In the old place I took apart half the bed and the clothing closet, which was a bitch due to a fricking heavy mirror in one of the sliding doors.
Almost done.
1595) Message boards : Questions and problems : Run BOINC using Windows' Task Scheduler (Message 98425)
Posted 10 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The longer explanation is that the GPUs do only do the general purpose calculations with drivers installed by the user.
When you install BOINC as a service, or you run programs when not logged in, the default GPU driver installed by Windows is used, which lacks required components such as CAL (your old ATI GPU uses that), CUDA (Nvidia) or OpenCL (all) (and Vulkan for future reference).
1596) Message boards : Questions and problems : Run BOINC using Windows' Task Scheduler (Message 98422)
Posted 10 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think somebody has to be logged in to gain access to the GPU driver.
Yes, that's the requirement.
1597) Message boards : Questions and problems : Eternal Sleep (Message 98396)
Posted 8 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
...the BOINC data directory found at C:\ProgramData\BOINC. That is a hidden directory that you need to allow showing in File Manager.
That's not necessary (setting Show hidden files and folders). Just fill in the path to C:\Programdata\BOINC\ into the path bar in File Explorer and hit Enter and you'll be in the BOINC data directory.
1598) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Considering converting from Folding to BOINC/Rosetta (Message 98392)
Posted 8 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosetta does still have graphics (and the screen saver) and their graphics shows what you're working on. Select a task that's running and press the Show graphics option or button. (Depends on if you use simple or advanced view)

The help desk expert title some of us show on the forums we got for helping others with knowledge about BOINC and its projects. It's then easier for new people like yourself to see the advice given is genuine. There's no need to flame the person holding the title.
1599) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98358)
Posted 7 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
They came 11:35am...
1600) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98356)
Posted 7 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Waiting for the people who come lay the laminate. They'll be here between 8 and 12. Will prolly be closer to the latter. Got nothing to do, just wait.
1601) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 32bit libs with self extracting 7.16.0 (Message 98353)
Posted 6 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think it can be done, because the 32bit libraries are distro dependent: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#64_Bit_Considerations
1602) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Temps (Message 98346)
Posted 5 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with undervolting through the BIOS is that you will lose performance even if you do it in small increments. Your CPU won't boost to the high values anymore, it may even get stuck on a set speed (as it did in my occasion).
In such case it's better to adjust the Power Package Tracking or PPT value, as this is always set higher than the TDP for your processor. Or adjust values via Ryzen Master, because you don't need to reboot, you see your changes immediately, you can set different profiles and easily switch between them and easier to quickly go back to the default settings if something goes wrong.

Now, no need to believe me, and I know you did the undervolting for your own system(s), but then say so that it's something you don't mind doing. Plenty of people out there who advise otherwise, because of that performance loss.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ce4gm4/psa_stop_nerfing_your_cpu_by_undervolting_stop/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ceakbs/if_you_want_to_save_powerreduce_thermals_reduce/
https://sff.life/how-to-undervolt-ryzen-cpu/
1603) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Temps (Message 98341)
Posted 5 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another thing that can be done in the bios, is lower the CPU voltage by a few millivolts (sometimes lowering by 0.010V to 0.020V from stock), might get you 5 or more degrees C lower running temps, without needing to sacrifice anything in speed.
Don't undervolt via the BIOS, especially on AMD Ryzen CPUs. Better is to use Ryzen Master to do that.

When you undervolt via the BIOS, you lose boosting performance.
1604) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98335)
Posted 5 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: I have the keys to my new apartment. 2 for the letterbox, 3 for the front door downstairs and shed, 9 (...!!!!) for the front door upstairs and balcony. 9. Because I forget where I left my keys and so I can hang 6 around the front door...
1605) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98330)
Posted 5 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
More like gather dust. ;-)
1606) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98322)
Posted 4 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
With pain in my heart I am throwing away... unless someone PMs me and says he wants to have it, I'll send it to whichever address they give me:

- 256MB PC100 RAM
- 2GB Adata DDR400 RAM
- a Pentium 4 1.80Ghz
- a Pentium 4 2.60Ghz
- a Pentium 4 2.80Ghz

Offer stands for one week. After that, goodbye.
1607) Message boards : Questions and problems : Restrict VirtualBox tasks when PC is in use? (Message 98317)
Posted 4 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Virtualbox runs on the CPU so you control this through the "Run CPU tasks when in use/not in use" options.
1608) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Temps (Message 98313)
Posted 3 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
An aftermarket CPU cooler is always better than the fan AMD supplies. And here it doesn't matter if that's air- or water cooling.
1609) Message boards : News : BOINC workshop cancelled (Message 98312)
Posted 3 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're better off posting that question to the BOINC development list, as I don't think David reads these forums.
1610) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Temps (Message 98304)
Posted 3 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's due to the difference in what they search for, which programming language they used, which language their data files use and whether or not the application is using SSE optimization or not. It's a good example of why you cannot compare projects running under BOINC with each other.
1611) Message boards : Documentation : Broken link on Other ways to help (Message 98301)
Posted 3 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, I removed the dead link and cleaned up the page, added a new link.
1612) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98271)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.howtogeek.com/345504/how-to-open-heic-files-on-windows-or-convert-them-to-jpeg/

Looks like you have to download a codec and you can just open them in Windows 10 Photos.
1613) Message boards : Projects : Incorrect CPID on one of my attached projects (Message 98270)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If that checkbox does exist on YOYO I can't see it either.
I think because they're mainly a German outfit, that they think it doesn't apply to them.
1614) Message boards : The Lounge : Found the old Boinc download that Lars Bausch developed, Boinc 6.10.34 version (Message 98260)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
One problem though, that version has very old certificates included, so it's entirely possible you won't be able to contact (m)any of the projects, or when you do, won't get work because of the outdated certificates. Aside from the question why you would want to use a BOINC version that's 10 years old.
1615) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC always "Suspended - computer is in use", when not in use (Message 98258)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or a mouse with a HERO or laser sensor. Those are more sensitive than an infrared sensor.
1616) Message boards : Questions and problems : monitors will not power down/shutoff (Message 98252)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Right click anywhere on the Windows desktop->Personalize
In the left menu click Lock Screen
On the right click Screen Saver Settings

Either set the screen saver to "None", or set up the BOINC screen saver via the Settings option.
I would advise to set "Blank screensaver after" to Never.
1617) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98249)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is my thread. I make the rules for this thread. I ask that you stop posting your signature no matter how big or small in my thread. Or else stop posting in my thread(s). Go make your own thread in which you can post to your heart's content with or without signatures.

Yep, I don't like signatures, I find them overrated, just as the stupidity of the credit system with any project being able to set their own amount. I have asked you to stop posting with your signature, you again told me to F-off. Ever since you came onto these forums your posting style is one of annoyance. There is freedom of speech but within reason. You can walk out there with a tee shirt stating Frak the Police (but then the other F word), but I doubt you will do it because you will get fined.

I don't wish to be treated differently, I wish moderators to be more sensible.
You look around here, everyone else can follow my simple request not to post with their signatures in my thread. You cannot. That is your own choice. It's not about remembering or anything, it's common decency. It's netiquette. It's anything but "I will follow my own rules and will not now nor ever do what you ask, change the forum software if you don't want it used, you d-head". Because that's what you essentially say.

The signature is part of the forum system, if you don't like signatures, remove it from the options.
Because you can't follow a simple request not to post in this thread with your signature we have to change the forum software so no one else can post with it anywhere. Yep. Right.

There is also the option to not post your signature and it's to the right of the Post reply button. You move past it with your mouse on the way to posting. You can take a second to uncheck it and be done with it. Just saying that because there is the option that you must use it everywhere, is showing you can't give some common decency to heed someone else's request not to do so.

Why on earth would you have more stringent rules in a chat forum
Where does it say this is a chat forum, or that this is a chat thread? Because you made it in your head that it is one and therefore all of the rules on the left, plus those that thread starters add for their own threads don't have to be followed anymore?

I'm done with you, I am putting you on ignore and urge anyone else who's annoyed by your unruly way of posting to do the same. Maybe you will go away when no one reacts to you anymore. And I will leave it to my fellow moderators to act on your insults.
1618) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC (Message 98246)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure task from RALPH aren't suspended and that there aren't any tasks waiting to run still in cache. You can double check that via BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Tasks tab->check on the left, the top option should say "Show active tasks". If it says "Show all tasks" click it so it shows "Shows active tasks". The button shows the option you have, not the state it is in. Else select RALPH and hit Update. Or do Tools->Sync
1619) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98245)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If we were to allow your signature, we'd have to allow everyone's signature. While your signature may be reasonable small, there are signatures out there that show all previous and present 70+ projects, plus badges, plus I don't know what else. These things take up quite a lot of space, and some people here read the forums on their phones.

So as a general courtesy we ask that in a couple of threads, where the message is of more importance than your standings in the credit world, you disable your signature. You just told everyone to go F themselves, that you are more important than anyone else on these forums and that you do things the way you pretty damn well please, and to hell with the rest of y'all.

A simple courtesy. Is that so difficult? Is it so difficult to uncheck your signature on posting in these threads? No matter having the option to show it. You also have the option not to show it in all your posts, by just unchecking the option before hitting reply. Plenty of threads out there where you can show your signature. Just a handful where we'd rather you didn't. And if you forget you can always edit your post and still take off the signature. And if that's something you still find outrageous, and you feel you can damn well do what you want, well, then there's moderation on your behind.
1620) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98240)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy, mind posting smaller images next time and not one 4K image?
1621) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98227)
Posted 30 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsPQvZm_rgMe, scary stuff.
1622) Message boards : Questions and problems : STUPID BOINC Reminder (Message 98225)
Posted 30 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's known, we reported it from the beginning. Those amateurs have put code in so that the notice doesn't show anymore. No word though on an ETA of the new version with this and the other much wanted fix.
1623) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98218)
Posted 30 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So ask someone else to do the work for you. :)
1624) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and All Your Off Topic Discussions (Message 98216)
Posted 30 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
A second thread to post your positive and negative thoughts into. Doesn't matter really what on, or whom on. No flames or signatures, please.
1625) Message boards : Android : BOINC for Android - can't do simple math time to time (Message 98215)
Posted 30 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Android client for BOINC is being rewritten from the ground up, so reporting any issues with 7.4.53 or 7.16.x (whichever works for people) is fine with me, but it won't be acted upon because the old clients are going away.
1626) Message boards : Questions and problems : Massive negative contribution? (Message 98211)
Posted 30 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or one or more of the projects you participate in has added an extra preferences option for you to check to allow statistics to be transferred under the GDPR act. These options are unchecked by default (off), you have to give express permission for them.

Check under project preferences for these options.
1627) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98178)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you like my friend Ronnie? He used to zap any electronic part he picked up. It was either his body or his clothing that was different. I don't think carpet is a problem. I've got carpet here and I've never zapped a thing. Never felt a shock myself either. I never bothered with those anti-static straps, I used to just touch an earthed computer case first, now I don't even bother with that. Modern stuff has diode protection from static.
I get static shocks from my car each time I step out. Lost the rubber thingy underneath the car, still have to get a new one but that can wait. There's anti-static carpet, but that's not as nicely soft and fluffy as the other stuff. The other stuff can get get you static, unless you walk barefooted all day.

Touching a grounded case? Why do so difficult. When you build a system, plug the PSU into an earthed power outlet, leave it off. Connect your anti-static wrist band to the PSU and put the other end around your bare ankle. That way you have normal movement and you're protected.

I see there are TVS diodes that can absorb large amounts of ESD, and they do appear on motherboards. But then mostly behind audio, USB and network ports, so it takes the ESD from anything you plug in from external, not so much for you touching the motherboard with your bare hands and a statically charged body. And your CPU doesn't have them either.

As for my floor, the stuff I put down was click. Didn't help me much. I can blindfolded take a computer apart and rebuild it into a working work of art. I cannot lay laminate.
1628) Message boards : Questions and problems : MacOS Catalina 10.15.4 (19E287) (Message 98174)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't have permission to use the BOINC Manager despite saying yes to no admin accounts.
What do you mean with this? Does it perhaps say that BOINC Manager cannot connect to the client (BOINC Manager non può connettersi al client)?
1629) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98172)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I hate laminate. Carpet is softer to walk on.
Carpet and computers don't mix. Static electricity up the whazoo.
And you can fit laminate yourself, you're so lazy :-P
Actually, I cannot. I tried in a room in this apartment and the result isn't nice, it took me 3 days to do that room and it's just 8 square meters. I'm not going to do a whole 54 square meter apartment as then the floor won't be ready when the movers come.

And would you believe it, I actually managed to get a post deleted from in here! The chat forum!
Congrats. Now you belong to the club (of bad bad people). :P
1630) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98170)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, there is a floor in my new apartment, but it's just a raw concrete floor. So I'll have someone lay a nice laminate floor into it. Walks a little better.
1631) Message boards : Questions and problems : setup virtualbox (Message 98169)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
4/28/2020 9:51:50 PM | | Running as a daemon (GPU computing disabled) 4/28/2020 9:51:51 PM | | No usable GPUs found
i see the problem, i didnt notice it used GPU. i dont think my GPU can be used. im not using a normal desktop. thank you for the help
BOINC must not be installed as a service (Windows) because when BOINC is installed as a service it runs as an unprivileged user and cannot run any virtual machines.
As I said earlier, you will have to uninstall BOINC through the normal means, then reinstall it and in the third screen in the installer click Advanced, uncheck Service Install, continue installation. You can then test with LHC - not the default Sixtrack - that that works.
New Covid work for BOINC@TACC is expected to come in the next 2-3 days.
1632) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98157)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Only my floor.. I'm laying everything else myself, including all cabling for all my devices. And been packing up for the past week and a half, all alone. All those so called friends who always said they would help.... haven't seen anyone.
1633) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98154)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
All preparations for the move done. I'm way ahead of schedule. Moving the 14th, now everything is boxed already.
Tuesday I get the keys.
Thursday they'll put the floor in.
Can't wait.
1634) Message boards : Questions and problems : setup virtualbox (Message 98141)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure you didn't install BOINC as a service. It'll show "Starting daemon" in the startup messages (CTRL+SHIFT+E) if it is. You will then have to uninstall BOINC, reinstall it and in the third screen in the installer click Advanced. Then uncheck Service Install before continuing installation.
1635) Message boards : Questions and problems : setup virtualbox (Message 98136)
Posted 29 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you plan on doing with it? Is it for a project that runs under BOINC? Then you don't need to add an OS, as the project will send a complete VM before the first task and that VM holds the operating system they want to use. Usually Scientific Linux. So other than that you don't have to do anything.

To read more about this, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/VirtualBox
1636) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project requested delay... after update (Message 98111)
Posted 28 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The tasks do start, you just don't see it because the default log flags task, sched_ops and file_xfer aren't on by default in 7.16.5 due to a bug. One that took me quite a fight with the developer to get fixed. No ETA on a BOINC with the fix in it, so a workaround is to make a cc_config.xml file with these flags selected. To do that, use advanced view, options, event log flags, immediately Save. That will activate those flags and show everything working again.

As for the 121 seconds, read Richard's answer to your same question here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13642&postid=98078 (ignore my questions in the same thread).
1637) Message boards : BOINC client : Proposal: timer for enabling computation (Message 98103)
Posted 27 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There aren't any BOINC officials (here), it's all community driven. But the best place to place feature requests is at GitHub. https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
Do search through the open issues if there's nothing likewise already asked, as else your feature will just be locked.
1638) Message boards : Questions and problems : Basic question - difference between uploading and reporting? (Message 98098)
Posted 27 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uploading is transferring the result file from your hard drive to a hard drive at the project.
Reporting is accessing the database at the project to tell the outcome of the task (correct, failed, other) and to signal it's ready to be checked by their validator. Reporting takes a lot of overhead (CPU, RAM) on the server, and reporting one task takes as much resources as reporting 100 tasks. So projects rather have you report as many as possible at the same time, rather than one at a time.

Some projects have one large data file on your drive and you don't upload any results, just report the outcome of the task just done before being told what to do next.
1639) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC (Message 98087)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager
If Simple View->Select project->Project commands->Remove->Acknowledge
If Advanced View->Projects tab->Select project->Remove->Acknowledge

If you added these other projects through an account manager such as BAM! or GridRepublic, you will have to remove them via there. You can check if you are using an account manager if the Tools menu has a Sync option. It will also tell which AM you use then.
1640) Message boards : Projects : Coronavirus projects? (Message 98084)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a BOINC or Folding@Home project, but useful anyway: https://fold.it/

We recently kicked off a new challenge in the fight against coronavirus: design a protein that might help keep a person's immune system under control. In this video, we are joined by Umut Ulge, MD PhD, who explains what can happen to somebody's immune system after they get sick with COVID-19.
1641) Message boards : GPUs : Project with work for NV 460SE (Message 98083)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/compar_gpu.py?fabricant=NVIDIA&type=GeForce+400+Series&modele=GeForce+GTX+460+SE you're limited to Collatz, Einstein (Binary Radio Pulsar Search) and Primegrid (Genefer and PPS (Sieve))

Edit: Milyway uses a maximum of 901MB on my RX 5700 XT, so if your 460 SE has only got 1024MB it may just make it.
Edit2: and a next one uses 1033MB immediately, growing to 1667MB.
1642) Message boards : GPUs : Project with work for NV 460SE (Message 98081)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That GPU only has 1 GB of memory, right?
1643) Message boards : GPUs : Project with work for NV 460SE (Message 98077)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
At a guess, Milkyway@home maybe?
1644) Message boards : BOINC client : Project requested delay of 121 seconds (Message 98076)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects?
Which BOINC version?
For which applications?
For CPU or GPU?
Do they have work?
Do you have anything suspended?
How much cache do you ask for, n + n days?
For which operating system?
1645) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to disable notices about not allowing fetching tasks to the CPU? (Message 98067)
Posted 25 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is due to the client reporting these things at startup (you can check that in the event log CTRL+SHIFT+E) as a reminder to you that you set these settings. They only happen at a client restart. And then there's a bug about it because when you have multiple projects where this is set, they won't all show in the Notifications tab. But anyway, there's no fix for this.

I have an issue open about the above bug but will add to it that a lot of people (and a developer) find this behaviour annoying and that they would like for an option to silence this behaviour.
1646) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Manager not starting since upgrade to ubuntu 20.04 (Message 98049)
Posted 24 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now back on a home compiled 7.17.0.
Did you know you can change the version number before compile? Do that by editing version.h file. So you can run 7.16.7 if you want to.
1647) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98036)
Posted 24 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So leaner means? Less RAM usage?
Mostly lower overhead so, but also less bloatedness, as the video card drivers don't need AND OpenCL AND OpenGL components, but can just do with Vulkan.
1648) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98033)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I never said it was faster, although it's leaner than OpenGL as far as I understand it. As for the Wikipedia page, you read the first sentence, right? "Vulkan is a low-overhead, cross-platform 3D graphics and computing API", with computing pointing to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compute_kernel, the exact stuff our GPUs are doing under CUDA, OpenCL (and in some extent DirectCompute from Microsoft). And read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)#Planned_features
1649) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 98031)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
AMD had their own, it was called CAL. But they threw it out in favour of OpenCL, so there wasn't need for developing two different programming languages. Nvidia chose to develop their CUDA heavily and left OpenCL at a standstill, which is why even today some of their top models only have OpenCL 1.2 support, while OpenCL is at version 2.2

But none of that matters, because OpenCL (and OpenGL) is at the end of its lifetime, we're all going to use Vulkan next. And that has nothing to do with Start Trek.
1650) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Manager not starting since upgrade to ubuntu 20.04 (Message 98010)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Come on Dave, you've been here longer than a minute. I shouldn't need to pull any information out of you, should I?
BOINC version, is the client running, any error messages in Ubuntu logs, in stderrdae.txt, rebooted the system, is that the version installed by you or by Ubuntu, symlinks - or is the other BOINC also still on your system and maybe they're clashing?
1651) Message boards : GPUs : Multiple concurrent GPU tasks ? (Message 98008)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way - any chance to run projects parallel on the GPU (not round-robin) ?
You mean two tasks from different projects at the same time? I don't think that's possible on a single GPU, you'd always need a minimum of two GPUs then - and then run a task per GPU, or two tasks of the same project per GPU.
1652) Message boards : GPUs : Multiple concurrent GPU tasks ? (Message 98007)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
(it nags me to be precise ... why don't they use BOINC ?).
That's something you'll have to ask them. Perhaps in the near future that's possible, seeing Greg Bowman's remark on the question if FAH shouldn't run under BOINC.
1653) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does BOINC take tasks in advance? (Message 97999)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great! Do know that the run time is still an estimate, they can take longer. But not much. The deadline will also go down though, to just 3 days on the 2 hour tasks.
1654) Message boards : GPUs : Multiple concurrent GPU tasks ? (Message 97997)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wonder if it's possible to stuff more than one BOINC task into that GPU ?
Yes, that's possible.
Either via an app_config.xml file (documentation: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Project-level_configuration), or some projects (such as Einstein) give the option via their project preferences (https://einsteinathome.org/account/prefs/project)

But you run FAH on the GPU, so if you want to run one more of their tasks on the GPU, you'll have to ask them if that's possible. FAH doesn't run under BOINC.
1655) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does BOINC take tasks in advance? (Message 97995)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosetta's got an option to set the wanted run time of tasks, via their project preferences https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/prefs.php?subset=project.
I run Rosetta on several relatively slow Android devices and set for them to use 2 hour tasks. They manage to run those easily within the set time. Perhaps an idea for your device? (Target CPU run time, default 8 hours)

Edit:
- One of my Android devices runs a quad core 1.7GHz CPU. It runs Rosetta tasks in 1h 14m.
- Another Android device uses a quad core at 1.4GHz, it runs Rosetta tasks in 3 hours.
1656) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduled computing / network access. Bug? Documentation? (Message 97993)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which ones of LHC? Standard Sixtrack, or the ones running in a VM? Because if the latter, it could be a setting in the VM and I am not sure if BOINC sets that or the project.
1657) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does BOINC take tasks in advance? (Message 97982)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
A 2.3GHz CPU isn't really slow. Again, what project or projects are you running?
1658) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks cannot connect to BOINC 7.16.5 (Message 97977)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The fix was for the BOINC client, a library in it didn't work with the low powered CPUs and the client would crash the moment it started. It will not fix connection problems between BOINCTasks and the BOINC client, for that you have to ask the developer of BOINCTasks for a fix. Although it says on the website that the BOINCTasks installer combines a 32bit and 64bit version, so perhaps you have to reinstall BOINCTasks as well, so it installs the 64bit version.
Edit: no, that's for TThrottle
1659) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks cannot connect to BOINC 7.16.5 (Message 97974)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't see a 32 bit version of 7.16.5 available for download.
That's because there isn't one. From 7.16 onwards we only have 64bit BOINC versions, mostly because there's hardly anyone anymore who releases 32bit CPUs as new.

If BOINCTasks doesn't work, you should let its developer know. I see you posted on Fred's forums. I hope he's still around and reading.
1660) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does BOINC take tasks in advance? (Message 97973)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project(s) are you running that you have such short deadlines? And on what kind of CPU? Is it that slow?
Usually BOINC preloads a new task when it knows it'll finish one of the other tasks so it doesn't have to wait for loading them again when one of the tasks finishes.
1661) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduled computing / network access. Bug? Documentation? (Message 97972)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure it's not set on a project web site either. Because that's what BOINC will fall back to if no option is set in local preferences.

I just tested it on my 7.16.5, set to run only between 00:00 and 09:00 (it's 17:40 here).
22/04/2020 17:40:53 | | Suspending computation - time of day

That's the only line it wrote.

So check your global_prefs.xml file and global_prefs_overide.xml files for
   <net_start_hour>0.000000</net_start_hour>
   <net_end_hour>0.000000</net_end_hour>
And else put them into global_prefs_override.xml underneath the <end_hour>0.000000</end_hour> line.
1662) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different % of CPU usage depends on running processes (Message 97971)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that is not possible. It isn't possible to set parts of the CPU (cores) to do work when "demand must be met".
1663) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where can I find a version history documented for users ? (Message 97968)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, when you go to the download page of BOINC, there's a link there to Release Notes. That goes to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes which has all the release notes back to 5.2
1664) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 97967)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ronan O'Rahilly, 79, Irish businessman, founding father of Radio Caroline, manager of George Lazenby.
1665) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where can I find a version history documented for users ? (Message 97964)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=2

All the change logs ever for as far as we have them.
1666) Message boards : News : BOINC paper published (Message 97963)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Both the link David gave and that you gave are going to "BOINC: A Platform for Volunteer Computing" for me.
Make sure you don't block scripts.
1667) Message boards : Questions and problems : installing boinc_7.16.5 (Message 97960)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You must've deleted something unwanted when you deleted parts of the registry. Have you tried going back to a previous restore point, from before you uninstalled BOINC?
You can also try third party apps, such as Revo uninstaller free, or a favorite of mine HiBit Uninstaller.

And if that doesn't work, you're probably looking at fixing Windows.
Try first to do SFC /scannow from an elevated command prompt. You may need your Windows CD/DVD handy for that.

In the future, don't just dive into the registry and go delete things left and right without making a backup of that registry or key.
We have had this problem with Windows losing sight of where it keeps the MSI files for ages, we also know the solutions (See W). Better come ask first before you destroy your system.
1668) Message boards : Questions and problems : Containerised implementation (Message 97941)
Posted 21 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
See first post in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13583.
And https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_EC2
1669) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97919)
Posted 20 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So no one posting about the stellar price of US oil then, ey? What did it end at, -$35 per barrel?
Edit: now back up to -$16.- per barrel: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil
1670) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97918)
Posted 20 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But I thought you were one of the lower echelon? I remember the other admins arguing with you over something a month ago.... You even removed your own tags for a short time.
I still have my admin and moderator titles removed. Don't need them on this account. There's only one other admin, and we didn't argue.
1671) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97908)
Posted 20 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was sitting here looking in to see what wild guesses people came up with, very funny all. But no.
All of the titles are set by me. Including the volunteer tester. It's at Seti that you get the VT title if you run Beta with the same email address as main, but we aren't Seti, we're BOINC.

I set VT when I notice you email the BOINC Alpha email list with remarks about Alpha BOINC, or when you post on the forums about an Alpha or Beta BOINC.
Help desk expert is when you're quite helpful towards others with your knowledge about BOINC.

When you don't stray much outside the Lounge or when you keep spouting complete nonsense about BOINC, you'll never get such titles.
And if you don't like the title, and post about that, I'll remove them.
1672) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97872)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting article from May 2014 about the emergence of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, both predecessors of COVID-19: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4019136/
1673) Message boards : Questions and problems : Smallest CPU WUs? (Message 97865)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looking at the site you’ve linked it appears to take at least 1 thread continuously to record what the other threads are doing. A bit wasteful?
It's as a non-computing-intensive application, running at very low priority, 0% CPU usage. All it does is collect data.
1674) Message boards : Questions and problems : Per project settings? (Message 97850)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do that via the project preferences on the project website. Not the computing preferences, but the preferences for project X, e.g. http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/prefs.php?subset=project. here you can set Resource Share, use of CPU, ATI/AMD, Nvidia and Intel GPU (whichever are active depends on the plan classes the projects use).
1675) Message boards : Projects : Asteroids@home (Message 97837)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you sign up using Science United? For if you did, you can ignore that message. Science United uses anonymous accounts, that you cannot log in to.
1676) Message boards : News : New BOINC server (Message 97800)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try signing up via BOINC Manager->Tools->Add project. This should circumvent the reCaptcha.
1677) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97794)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
With
static const LOG_FLAGS log_flag_defaults;

being outside of the class definition, it 'should' be initialised with zeroes (as originally intended, but inside that LOG_FLAGS class member init(), it means a different thing than whoever put it there thought.)

If still no-go, can nix that log_flag_defaults static definition, and go to the definition of LOG_FLAGS instead (in cc_config.cpp?)
each line would then need to be made static and = 0;
example, in cc_config,h instead of .cpp :
//initialising in the .h, each member separately ... On by default

static task = true;
static file_xfer = true;
static sched_ops = true;

// off
 by default; intended for developers and testers
	 
   //
	 
  static bool android_debug = false;
	 
       // show Android-specific info (battery etc.)
	 
   static bool app_msg_receive;
	 
       // show shared-mem message from apps
	 
   static bool app_msg_send;

Avoiding the need for some defaults structure and anything worthwhile in init(), But that would be too 'normal'.
Alternatively (also more 'normal', but admittedly labourious/error-prone) would be to initialise them in the constructor (LOG_FLAGS::LOG_FLAGS() ) one by one.
1678) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97791)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jason:
Simplest 'potential' fix I can think of, that won't require changing references to log_flags throughout the codebase. :
void LOG_FLAGS::init() {
	    static const LOG_FLAGS x;
	    *this = x;
                                                      // ...

becomes
static const LOG_FLAGS log_flag_defaults;

void LOG_FLAGS::init() {
	*this = log_flag_defaults;
                                                  // ...
1679) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97788)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok, maybe biology is more complicated than I thought. I would have thought you'd need some kinda clean room environment with tanks to grow things in, but why would they need to be different for each culture?


Manufacturing vaccines is a complex journey. It takes between 6 to 36 months to produce, package and deliver high quality vaccines to those who need them. It includes testing each batch of vaccine at every step of its journey, and repeat quality control of batches by different authorities around the world.

Vaccines manufacturing is a biological process where a very high level of expertise is required. We need to continually adapt production process to satisfy evolving regulatory demand which varies country by country.
In addition, the production process is under even greater pressure as demand for certain vaccines grows, such as pediatric combination vaccines and as demand increases from the global public health community to investigate new and emerging threats.
https://www.sanofi.com/en/your-health/vaccines/production
And see https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/00Hu3oeF5oA?rel=0, which explains how vaccines are made. And why this can't be done in an industrial scale, or at least not in the way you and I expect how a factory works.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/bill-gates-factories-7-different-vaccines-to-fight-coronavirus-2020-4?international=true&r=US
1680) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97787)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Jason:

static const LOG_FLAGS x;
Should be in the class definition LOG_FLAGS, rather than inside LOG_FLAGS::init() ( but see later ** )
*this = x;
Won't then be needed, since static members are initialised with the class.

Other Notes on the patches over time:


  • memset indeed has different implementation by compiler / libraries, and many old 'bog standard' buffer manipulation things from back in the day are now considered 'unsafe' (meaning unreliable for our purposes). That's mostly to do with security and thread safety, since there are ways break, or break into, buffer manipulation type things, so fair enough they decided to change its use.
  • The static keyword has a different meaning inside a class definition. it's in the wrong place now, but when in the correct place in LOG_FLAGS definition it will just ensure there is one single LOGS_FLAGS structure, now matter how many times init is called.

Why isn't the code just put in

LOG_FLAGS::LOG_FLAGS() 
instead of
LOG_FLAGS::init()
?
    • (**) creating a static LOG_FLAGS structure within LOG_FLAGS may also be problematic, because a circular definition like that may start a recursive initialisation thing.
    • I would rename the existing flags structure definition to LOG_FLAGS_STRUCT (or similar), then create a LOG_FLAGS class with the static LOG_FLAGS_STRUCT as a member, alongside the constructor, init() and anything else rightly belonging within LOG_FLAGS that way LOG_FLAGS_STRUCT can be initialised once when the class is created (with zeroes), then tweaked in LOG_FLAGS::init() by putting:
    x.task = true;
    x.file_xfer = true;
    x.sched_ops = true;



Edit: and
Would have been nice if LOG_FLAGS were defined in log_flags.h/.cpp , but whatever, found it in cc_config.
Needs some minor rejigging so as not to have to change references to log flags elsewhere in the client. Having a look

Edit: And Richard in the CC. Easier to do it via email for now. :)
1681) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97785)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I should've seen it, as I installed BOINC clean on my system and ran it bare bones for a while. But I don't run it every day and when I do, I don't check the messages every time. So I have missed it as well.

Got a message back from Jason, he's peeking in.
1682) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97781)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for the bug, who else noticed that between 7.16 being sent out for testing and it being released to public, there was just 5 days? Testing April 3rd, Release April 8th. And then just two people who actually tested it. I don't think we ever had such a short time between testing and release, especially not during another worldwide crisis that would keep people occupied that way. I long for the days of Rom this way. He'd also have jumped on top of these reports and already released a client with a fix. If only for testing. But alas.
1683) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97778)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for getting us back on topic - we could use some lateral thinking, or in-depth knowledge of C++, right now. Juha used to pop in at times like this, but I haven't seen him around for a while.
I've asked Jason to come take a look. You never know.
1684) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I 0.25 CPU and 0.25 GPU? (Message 97769)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, set flags you don't know what they do.
You cannot use a GPU application on a project that doesn't have a GPU application. It's not you who decides to use the GPU, but it's the project who decides if they release an application that can do the science on the GPU. So setting use_all_pus won't work. You can't magically make things work through the GPU.

<ncpus> is a test flag with which you set a hypothetical number of CPUs or cores and run that on the one CPU you have. If your CPU doesn't have 8 cores, but a lot less, you're now overworking the CPU.
<use_all_gpus> is only used when you have two or more same brand but different model GPUs and you want both/all of them to do work... if there are projects that have work for that brand GPU, that is.
1685) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 97767)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Brian Dennehy, 81, American actor.
1686) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I 0.25 CPU and 0.25 GPU? (Message 97766)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as they aren't GPU applications, no. As far as I know WCG doesn't have any active GPU apps at this moment.
1687) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97762)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
One does not, one can get home deliveries as I do. And always have done. Shops are so last century. Takes up way too much of my time.
I can do online shopping as well, but the thing is, the minimum required amount before they bring it is €50,- each time. I don't spend that much money on chicken.
Besides, I am moving next month and will then live 70 meters away from the biggest Jumbo supermarket around. You really expect me to do my shopping online then? I'm also 50 meters away from the mall. Most stores there are open and don't have online stores.

With a large sum of money from the government, surely large volumes are easily made?
No, it's not that easy and it's not about money. They have to grow culltures which takes time. They'll have specialized machines for that and those aren't come by. Why do you think Bill is building 7 factories, each with a different machine, knowing fully well that the other 6 factories and their machines will be useless?
1688) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97760)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you ain't got a dry cough, you're fine. If you hardly meet anyone, you're probably fine.
Only cough I have is my asthma. With slime. I meet people daily, 5 feet away from me. One does have to go to the store. Although the other day I was in the hospital for unrelated things and someone there was coughing. So yes, maybe...

It is kind of amusing the panic going on for no reason. I'd have let anyone who was elderly or had health problems isolate themselves at home and let the rest of us go on as normal. Not many healthy folk die of it.
I know it's mostly the elderly, but young healthy people die of it as well. You'd want the mild version if you get it, not the deep version as the latter is the deadly one. You'll drown in your own lung fluids.

What I don't understand is there are apparently three or four vaccines which work, they killed corona in mice. Just use them. Now.
There are 70 possible vaccines available or being tested, but they're not around in bulk volumes. And working in mice doesn't mean they work in people. By the time they've tested a vaccine and found one working, it still has to be mass produced. And for that special plants have to be built. At least Bill Gates is setting up 7 different factories already, one for each possible vaccine they're testing in the US. It'll cost him billions because when a working vaccine is found, it can only be produced in one of the 7 factories. The others are duds. He knows that and doesn't care.

Are you actually forcibly confined?
No, it's advisory here as well. Stay at home when you feel ill, have a fever, have a cough, or are actively sneezing. Cough and sneeze in the inside of your elbow. Wash your hands every 3 minutes for at least 20 seconds. But don't use too much water, because we're running out of fresh water (really....). Most stores are still open, but no one goes there. Everywhere the 5 feet rule. Social distancing.
1689) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97758)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've caught it?
Who knows? We're not being tested.
But no, I only have my allergies. Still, by the time we're free to go places again, we need a new smartphone with all the corona-movement-apps of all the countries we go through/to. Plus papers. Plus an embedded chip. Plus.. well.
1690) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97756)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah glad I visited you (both) last year, because that's now an impossibility. I would kill you. All because of an escaped biological weapon out of China.
1691) Message boards : Projects : BOINC projects that have GPU jobs for MacOS in Biology (Message 97751)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, doesn't seem to be. Those that do use GPUs require Linux or Windows.
1692) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97745)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I've been staring at this - what's wrong with it (except that it doesn't work)?
As far as I know, from all my different programming languages, X always needs a value and it doesn't get it here.

So either it's:
x = 6

*this->x = x
Or x somehow has to get the value 'true', but not what it's doing in that code.

What was wrong with the v7.14.2 code? At least that worked.
1693) Message boards : Questions and problems : error 1714 (Message 97732)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
i have uninstall the program and use regedit to delete all boinc entry's.
why use regedit?
1694) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97731)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52304993
Coronavirus: Trump says peak is passed and US to reopen soon

It's been nice knowing you all. 😬
1695) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - bad at meeting deadline - leaves until the very last minute (Message 97709)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But there you go again, you call for an unpredictable situation and want BOINC to handle that. You even call it unpredictable. How do you want BOINC to react to unpredictable situations when you yourself can't even do that? Although, there's that solution, ignore BOINC its scheduler and from now on decide per hour, per minute which task should run when, by suspending work/projects. But no, that's not something you want to do either.

So why not just let BOINC handle it as long as it brings everything home by the deadline, even if you feel it's cringe worthy, even if it pauses tasks at 1 second, even if it does things completely different than you would've done them?

And else, go to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit, get the source code, start hacking at it, start adding that stuff that you want, compile it and run it. Only by going into the code will you learn that things aren't so black and white, so easily done as you demand them to be.
1696) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97704)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I saw that yesterday, but my understanding of C++ isn't good enough to see if that was a problem.

Edit: it came across on me as a temporary thing, as if something had to be added here at a later time. But apparently it compiled correctly.
1697) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97703)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
An intriguing animation at https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1539110/?utm_source=showcase&utm_campaign=visualisation/1539110 that shows the spreading of the coronavirus day to day via different countries (and a cruise ship). Numbers by John Hopkins University, animation by BBC.

Go Ameri... oh.
1698) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ransomware behaviour (Message 97701)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC isn't encrypting anything.
The files you refer to are made by the Rosetta science application, for storing a checkpoint, and progress of its files.

But this is essentially why we ask that you exclude the BOINC data directory from being actively scanned by your anti virus program. Set up a DMZ. Because a lot of what the science applications for the various projects do can be seen as suspect behaviour.

Only scan the data directory by hand when you aren't running BOINC.
And report any false positives, such as these, to Bitdefender and Rosetta.
1699) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I 0.25 CPU and 0.25 GPU? (Message 97695)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Executable
wcgrid_mcm1_map_7.41_windows_x86_64
This runs on the CPU only. It doesn't run on the GPU. So why would you want an app_config.xml for that?
1700) Message boards : Android : App problems (Message 97688)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't run on 8 cores. On most devices, 8 cores on Android means you are double loading 4 cores, the other 4 cores are used by Android only (that's a programming limitation set by Android that BOINC can't bypass). (Yours has 4×1.5 GHz ARM Cortex-A53 + 4×1.0 GHz ARM Cortex-A53)

The only memory BOINC on Android uses is the RAM, not the storage - well, it uses the storage to store the tasks, but it doesn't use it for cache or anything. When your main memory runs out, that's it. BOINC will also use by default only 50% of RAM, so if you run into message that project X needs more memory, you have to enable the advanced preferences and move the RAM Limit slider to a higher value. Changes are instant.
1701) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - bad at meeting deadline - leaves until the very last minute (Message 97680)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the past a project had tasks that ran to 99% in minutes, before stopping there for many multiple tens of hours before it would go to 100%. 1 second can take hours and hours. On CPDN probably weeks.

The percentage and time are estimates. BOINC doesn't use them for calculating how long a task still takes. It will purely use the estimated floating operations per second count, combined with your benchmarks for CPU or GFLOP count for the GPU, the project's resource share vs the others and the DCF or REC (depending on project) to calculate how long tasks take by approximation. It does not use a clock. It won't know a task is still at 90 minutes before completion. It doesn't care about the clock.

All it cares about is if the task gets done before the deadline. And how it does that is damn difficult enough already, especially when combining 30+ projects with different resource shares, with different applications, with different runtimes, with different science, with different deadlines. It's a miracle BOINC manages to get most all the work done by the deadline.
1702) Message boards : Documentation : Boinc project list needs update: (Message 97667)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You still don't get it. What you ask for is already built into the client, it's been there since the beginning of BOINC.
When your client asks for work from a project, it may already ask for work for CPU and GPU. The latter because you have a capable GPU in your system. With what you ask, the client would just ask for CPU work and only that, forever.

But BOINC is more intelligent than that: it'll ask for work for CPU and GPU, even if the project doesn't have any GPU applications, so that in the future, when the project decides to develop a GPU application, work requests for it are seamlessly done already. And depending on the GPU, given.

And then it asks for and get work based on the architecture it's installed on. A Linux client will only get Linux science applications, a Windows client will only get Windows science applications. A Mac... An Android... One can only load the wrong architecture onto the Android client by spoofing it to be something it isn't.

When BOINC makes a work request a lot happens in that request. The whole output of the sched_request_project_name.xml file is sent to the project in a handful of seconds, with the whole of the sched_reply_project_name.xml file as answer. When you enable the http_debug flag you can see all of that in the event log. Then you can also see what your client is asking work for.

In my case for instance, key lines Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU, [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.16.5). This means my client can't get AMD/ATI GPU work for Linux, because the server sees I don't have it. I can only get work for Windows (32bit and 64bit applications).
Android BOINC will for instance have the BOINC client starting with version N for aarch64-android-linux-gnu, this means no x86 applications, or Windows, or Mac, or pure Linux even can be sent to it. Unless the project names their science applications and plan classes illogically.

Your Android client can even be asking for work for a (Mali) GPU which none of the projects have an application for. But one might in the future, and then BOINC will be ready to ask work for it, without you having to keep an eye on things. Asteroids@home|Requesting new tasks for Mali-T720
1703) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux headless question, remove projects with account manager (Message 97665)
Posted 15 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
From account managers: An account manager (AM) is a web site that simplifies participating in BOINC.

So to do what you want, you navigate via the Internet to the website of your account manager and after logging in, check/uncheck those things you want before saving them.
1704) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97653)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The above Link, (a '.org' Site), now goes to the Einstein Cafe. All the Einstein pages NOW are '.org'.
Which doesn't mean much, it's the IP address that resolves from the DNS address that makes where they run from. The DNS for einsteinathome.org resolves to:

NetRange: 129.89.0.0 - 129.89.255.255
CIDR: 129.89.0.0/16
NetName: MILW-IPNET
NetHandle: NET-129-89-0-0-1
Parent: NET129 (NET-129-0-0-0-0)
NetType: Direct Assignment
OriginAS: AS7050
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee (UWM)
RegDate: 1987-10-14
Updated: 2015-06-25
Comment: UWM Help Desk, phone: +1-414-229-4040
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/129.89.0.0


OrgName: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
OrgId: UWM
Address: UWM University Information Technology Services
Address: Network Operations Center
Address: NWQ B room 7487
Address: P.O. Box 413
City: Milwaukee
StateProv: WI
PostalCode: 53201
Country: US
You can recheck that at https://centralops.net/co/
1705) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I 0.25 CPU and 0.25 GPU? (Message 97651)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
World Community Grid is a conglomeration of 30 different sub-projects - although just 6 are now active. These sub-projects all have their own science applications with their own names.
To be able to write an app_config (application configuration) file, one needs to know which application it's for. That information can either be found in BOINC Manager, advanced view, Tasks tab, selecting a task and then clicking on Properties, or otherwise the information needs to be lifted from client_state.xml

The information you've given thus far is insufficient. With it no one can write an app_config.xml file for you.
1706) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.16.5 screen saver goes blank after working for a while (Message 97648)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not BOINC, but a Windows thing.

First off, check the time out for your screen in Power & Sleep Settings. Then further, I found this, you may try that as well:
The setting to fix this is "System unattended sleep timeout" in advanced power settings. (Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Power Options\Edit Plan Settings > change advanced power settings).

However this setting is hidden because Microsoft wants waste our time and make our lives miserable.

To un-hide it, you need to change a registry attribute value data from 1 to 2 at the following registry path:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > SYSTEM > CurrentControlSet > Control > Power > PowerSettings > 238C9FA8-0AAD-41ED-83F4-97BE242C8F20 > 7bc4a2f9-d8fc-4469-b07b-33eb785aaca0

Full instructions:

  • windows key + R
  • type regedit and hit enter
  • click Yes if asked
  • on registry editor - ctrl+F
  • search for 7bc4a2f9-d8fc-4469-b07b-33eb785aaca0
  • wait, can take a while to find
  • when found, double click attributes on the right pane
  • change value data to 2
  • hit ok, close registry editor.
  • Right click the start button > power options > Additional power settings > Change Plan Settings > change advanced power settings
  • expand Sleep
  • expand System unattended sleep timeout
  • change both values to zero for never or set your preferred value.


1707) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97647)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then last night, this: Coronavirus lockdowns could end in months if Australians are willing to have their movements monitored
And it also helps against forest arsonists.
1708) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I 0.25 CPU and 0.25 GPU? (Message 97646)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's a difficult question to answer. I understand you want someone to write you an app_config.xml, but then that person will need to know which application(s) you run for WCG and only you know that.

Could you please elaborate and stop doing sentences of just 4 words?
1709) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - bad at meeting deadline - leaves until the very last minute (Message 97632)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Would you leave for work 30 minutes before your shift started, and assume there would be no traffic jams?
You want to leave home 4 days before your work shift starts in 4 days time, to make sure you're there in time?
1710) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97621)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're started from lib/cc_config.cpp

void LOG_FLAGS::init() {
    static const LOG_FLAGS x;
    *this = x;

    // on by default (others are off by default)
    //
    task = true;
    file_xfer = true;
    sched_ops = true;
}

The only thing I see that may be strange is that we add the cc_config.h header twice.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/3ed2b089c81378e7dbe6f56556424bdb94081105/lib/cc_config.cpp
1711) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97616)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had a new install on my system and I never saw the problem but then I wasn't looking at the messages. But let me test. I renamed my cc_config.xml to cc_config.xml.bak and exited & restarted BOINC. That seems to do it:

14/04/2020 18:13:39 |  | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
14/04/2020 18:13:39 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.16.5 for windows_x86_64
14/04/2020 18:13:39 |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2s zlib/1.2.8
14/04/2020 18:13:39 |  | Data directory: G:\BOINC
Missing the log flags line.

So what last change did we do to the log_flags.cpp?
Edit: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/commit/a79d60b8891237e011bdaad3bd1a7c1572e2f3b7 changes to make the file sizes for stderrdae and stdoutdae doubles, not int

I was looking earlier in the source code where we start the 3 hard coded flags. Didn't find it so quickly.
1712) Message boards : Android : BOINC projects running under Android 10 (Message 97610)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok so I guess that leads me into my next question:
If you set BOINC to use 4 cores, but only run two projects at a time, do the two project get split over all four "available" cores?
Eventually yes, as long as you don't go micromanage how BOINC should do things. Then you'll see that some cores will run other tasks.

Would that increase the speed that a project can get done because it has more processing power behind it?
It will only speed up from the cores not being double loaded. There's still no multi-threading applications for Android, as far as I know. So...

Or is BOINC set to run one task per core only?
Not BOINC, but the science applications.

Btw, that was 3 questions. ;-)
And sorry I answered so late, hadn't seen your questions.
1713) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97609)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what you ask?
The hard-coded flags aren't (normally) run from cc_config.xml, because BOINC doesn't come with one.
1714) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - bad at meeting deadline - leaves until the very last minute (Message 97605)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And if it doesn't, there's still no man overboard, because BOINC has the extra time to run the task and try to return it before it's sent out again and done by someone else's computer. And if that doesn't work - the computer went off unexpectedly - the other fail safe of BOINC comes into play -> a new task is sent out to another user who may be able to run & return it in a timely fashion. The science will always be done.
1715) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - bad at meeting deadline - leaves until the very last minute (Message 97604)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be better if a 4 hour task was started in panic mode say 8 hours before the end.
Why? That will only make it problematic for other projects to run their tasks on time, and then you - or someone else - will be complaining about that. If they've run enough and the estimate is spot on and the task can be run within the next 24 and be finished before the deadline, then why the panic from you?
BOINC will try to run all tasks before their deadline, so if it manages to do that, why not be content?
1716) Message boards : Android : New Version 7.16.5 (Message 97601)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Android device is set on a venue which I've specified to cache 0.01 days only, and that seems to work. My desktop machines are controlled by local preferences, so there's no conflict.
Android BOINC uses local preferences only. Plus in 7.16.3 the user can set his own cache size, something that cannot be done in for instance 7.4.53, where the defaults are 0.1 and 0.5
So what cache size does Keith have set?
1717) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version - very sparse event log (Message 97598)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Found it - options, event log options, tick "app msg send".

14/04/2020 2:39:17 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, app_msg_send1
No, it's not app msg send, as that shows the shared memory messages sent to the science applications. It's the three before that in the above line, file_xfer, sched_ops and task. We've had a report in on the Alpha list (and project forums) that several people see this behaviour on their BOINC start, where the three hard-coded debug flags don't start up.

Else a startup shows something like this:
14/04/2020 16:41:16 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.16.5 for windows_x86_64
14/04/2020 16:41:16 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, checkpoint_debug, coproc_debug, sched_op_debug
14/04/2020 16:41:16 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2s zlib/1.2.8

By going to the Event Log Options menu you only made sure that cc_config.xml was written and that these three flags were activated.
You can go back and uncheck app_msg_send
1718) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - bad at meeting deadline - leaves until the very last minute (Message 97597)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But nevermind the game, even without that it's left it VERY close to the deadline (1 day to go and only 10 minutes spare?!). Since WUs don't always take exactly as long as you think, or the computer might be switched off unexpectedly etc, surely Boinc should leave more leeway?
BOINC can't predict the future, so if the computer's switched off unexpectedly, how do you want BOINC to know that?
Again, the task comes with an amount of flops decided by the project how long the task should take. Has BOINC run multiple of these tasks, think between 10 and 50, then it will be much better in predicting how long such tasks take. But if it's still running them for the first time, or first week, it doesn't know and it can only use the estimated flops given by the project. And if those flops calculate that it can easily run the task, say within 4 hours, then BOINC won't try to start it so quickly. That's not a bug, that's a project thing.

Whether the task runs in BOINC natively or in VBox shouldn't matter. The amount of flops is the amount of flops, no matter where it's run. And if those flops tell BOINC that the task can be done in an hour, there's no hurry. Even if the task will essentially take a week to be done. Because BOINC can't possibly know this until it's run a couple of them.

You can check in BOINC Manager->Tasks tab->Select the task->Properties what the estimated computing size is. You can divide that by the fpops amount your CPU benchmark gave BOINC, to give an estimated time (in seconds) that BOINC uses to calculated the task. The value is given in GFLOPS, with G being Giga, so that's times 1000^3, or times 1000, times 1000, times 1000.
1719) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - bad at meeting deadline - leaves until the very last minute (Message 97578)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, how should BOINC know that?

The project gave the task a certain amount of flops by which they estimate how long the task will take. BOINC takes that number to calculate how long the task is estimated to take. BOINC does this calculation every 30 seconds to a minute. If that number wildly differs from the actual amount of flops (and thus time) the task takes, there's nothing in the world that BOINC can do to know that. You'll have to yell at the project then that they have to increase the amount of estimated flops their tasks take.

Aside from that, do you manually suspend the CPU, or do you use the exclusive_apps option in BOINC Manager to stop calculations automatically when the game is detected in memory and that they resume when the game leaves memory? Because that way BOINC can easier learn your idiosyncrasies.
1720) Message boards : Android : New Version 7.16.5 (Message 97568)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There isn't much anyone can do other than wait for the task list to whittle down and see if that fixes things.
1721) Message boards : Questions and problems : installing boinc_7.16.5 (Message 97552)
Posted 13 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed to get rid of the old uninstaller file.
Alternatively, reinstall https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.14.2_windows_x86_64.exe to fix the uninstaller file, then uninstall it again.
1722) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 97550)
Posted 13 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Louis van Dijk, 78, Dutch Jazz pianist.
1723) Message boards : Projects : Coronavirus projects? (Message 97549)
Posted 13 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
A little warning for those of you running Rosetta on Android devices: check your device regularly, that it isn't stuck or waiting for you to clear (storage) memory. Don't just check the device on the website to see if it is still contacting the project correctly as that may give false information.

My old Huawei P9 Lite is running several projects, among it Rosetta. I just today checked the phone itself to find that although it had contacted Rosetta the past days, it wasn't doing anything because the 4 Rosetta tasks on the device were so big they had gobbled up all storage and the phone was waiting for me to clear space (16GB storage, 200MB free). After uninstalling everything I didn't need on the phone, it's now crunching Rosetta's again.

I also set the Target CPU Time in Project Preferences to just 2 hours (was default 8.) as this gives smaller tasks.
1724) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing important projects would start supporting GPU crunching! (Message 97547)
Posted 13 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
because a GPU is mostly 16 bit sp. But a lot of them have 32bit dp cores as well.
If your single precision is only 16bit, your GPU might be broken.

Half precision is 16bit floating point, single precision is 32bit floating point, double precision is 64bit floating point. Not all GPUs are capable of using full DP or HP. Half precision is used in computer graphics.

Even older GPUs running at below 1Ghz still outperforms even the biggest threadripper CPU
It's not so much the speed of the GPU that speeds up the calculations, but the sheer amount of processing cores it has that rip at the problem in parallel. But the problem should be capable to be translated into the language the GPU cores talk at, and that's not always possible or very sufficient.

But enough people have tried to explain that to you already. In all kinds of different forms and answers. You just continue to ignore what the experts say and go your own way, with your 16bit single precision and your 1GHz GPU. One day you'll be an expert in your own material.
1725) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager V7.16.5 is issuing "annoying" messages which I would like to suppress (Message 97537)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You said it turns off the reminders, which doesn't specify if it's in BOINC Manager or in Windows. Each time you restart BOINC (Manager), the Notification tab will show 1 new notification, which is a reminder of sorts as well. But it doesn't stop these, only the ones from the Windows system tray.
1726) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager V7.16.5 is issuing "annoying" messages which I would like to suppress (Message 97535)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
In BOINC Manager, either Simple or Advanced view, go to the 'Options' menu and choose 'other options'. In the first tab, there's a drop-down list for 'Notice reminder interval'. Set that to 'never', and it'll shut up.
By the way, this only stops the notification balloons from popping up, it doesn't stop the notifications in BOINC Manager's Notification tab.
1727) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97533)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The first article in Linus Tech Tips TechLinked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esNwy47BMFA explains more of this, with pictures. MIT is also involved.
1728) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC: how a computational task is distributed between volunteers (Message 97532)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you read https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain?
1729) Message boards : News : New BOINC server (Message 97512)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The dependencies are under maintenance. It's known that they aren't available right now.
1730) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97509)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cellphone tracking via GPS is different than what they want to do now. Here's what the new app(s) is (are) supposed to do:
1. Your device's Bluetooth is on.
2. You have the app installed that keeps a record of all the Bluetooth devices it comes into contact with.
3. This record will be stored on your phone.
4. When you get Covid-19, you download a second app with which you tell the authorities that you have it and you self-isolate yourself.
5. This app uploads the stored record of the other Bluetooth devices to a central server.
6. Your record will be looked at and everyone within the last N days whose Bluetooth device was recorded by your device will get a warning in their first app that they were in the neighborhood of a condem... no, convic... no, infected person and that they should self-isolate.

Trouble is, Bluetooth is 360 degrees bubble, not just 360 on the plain like our government is thinking. So if you live in an apartment building and someone two stories up develops a Covid-19 infection, his Bluetooth has been registered by your device even if you have never seen the person. But you should now self-quarantine anyway, as the devices don't lie man. That Covid-19 can't pass through walls is something we don't care about. Bluetooth also doesn't do directional recording as far as I know, so it won't know if the device was next to it, or above or below it. Nothing said about driving on the motorway...
1731) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager V7.16.5 is issuing "annoying" messages which I would like to suppress (Message 97505)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have the feeling it's to do with the alphabetical order of the project URLs and that something breaks there.
Now, where did you find the actual notification messages? Because my BOINC Data directory seems to have misplaced them.
1732) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97501)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It was installed in your phone long ago. Nearly every app you have on your phone uses a 3rd party API to find out its location.

This one is new. https://www.blog.google/inside-google/company-announcements/apple-and-google-partner-covid-19-contact-tracing-technology/

First, in May, both companies will release APIs that enable interoperability between Android and iOS devices using apps from public health authorities. These official apps will be available for users to download via their respective app stores.

Backwards compatible to Android 6.
1733) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager V7.16.5 is issuing "annoying" messages which I would like to suppress (Message 97500)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And why repeatedly, I mean a one time notice would be fine.
It's done every time you restart the client. At project detection you're getting that message. If it's for one project only while you have multiple projects that you have the message for, that's probably a bug.

It probably is a bug as I see it for one project only as well, and I have four projects yelling at me in the startup messages. So I will put that one forward as a bug to Github Issues - and with thanks for letting us know.

And saying "run BOINC with just the client and not the manager, or use ..." is very helpful - I would never have thought of that.
You sounded aggravated and like you were having a go at Richard, who is a volunteer helper just like about everyone here on the forums, present company included. Perhaps you didn't know how BOINC/BOINC Manager worked.
1734) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97494)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just watched episodes 1 and 2 of Red Dwarf 13. Old fashioned British Humor, with thanks guys, I just needed that. :-)
1735) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager V7.16.5 is issuing "annoying" messages which I would like to suppress (Message 97493)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Notices also show messages from the Messages log. Because not everyone knows that there is a messages log (the Event Log), where sometimes messages show that are urgent enough that the user needs to know about them, these are copied into the Notifications tab. Perhaps you set long ago that the project should only use CPU and in the mean time it has developed GPU apps, you may want to know about that when you renew your attachment to it. On some projects they did away with the GPU apps, so you may want to know about that when your preferences are set to use GPU only.

So the message about not fetching work for CPU is a service to the user. If that's annoying you, well, run BOINC with just the client and not the manager, or use BOINCTasks as an alternative manager.
1736) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I 0.25 CPU and 0.25 GPU? (Message 97477)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Project-level_configuration
1737) Message boards : Questions and problems : Virtualbox 6.1.4 Not Utilized by BOINC 7.14.2x64 on Windows 10 Pro (Message 97476)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post your BOINC startup messages? (CTRL+SHIFT+E)
1738) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97471)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah I read that and wondered, do they only add it to their newest operating systems? Because if so, it's not going to be much use. Or will they release backwards patches for up to Android 5, maybe 4 and iOS whatever?
1739) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC has stopped using my second GPU (Message 97465)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've redacted computer name, IDs etc.
Yes, but why? Name I don't mind, but by redacting the ID numbers you're making it harder for helpers to look up your system on the projects to see if it may have been throwing errors and such. We can't see any privacy information when looking up your account.

As for the extremely low resource share for GPUGrid and Einstein, what was your meaning behind them?
1740) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client not detecting VirtualBox installation (Message 97464)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And thank you for reporting the solution back. I'll see if we need to document this.
I've added it to the BOINC manual. Thanks again.
1741) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC has stopped using my second GPU (Message 97454)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also please enable the coproc_debug flag in cc_config.xml (or via the event log flags option in advanced view) and then restart Boinc and post the messages.
1742) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97449)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhile, our Minister of Health wants 60% of the population to install the corona-tracking app when it becomes available. First voluntary only, but when we don't reach the wanted 60%, it will become mandatory. North Korea/China anyone?
1743) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client not detecting VirtualBox installation (Message 97448)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
(Although someone should tell them that hard pink is a difficult background!)

But it so brings out the colour in your eyes !
ROFLOL 🤣

That's the nicest thing you ever said to me. 😊😄
1744) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to create new user id on Macintosh (Message 97447)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosetta checks email addresses against the Stopforumspam database. Some domains are blocked on there (Verizon comes to mind). You can also not use a VPN when signing up.
1745) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client not detecting VirtualBox installation (Message 97442)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you read https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Virtualization/VirtualBox?
(Although someone should tell them that hard pink is a difficult background!)
1746) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97441)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting search, kinda addictive. use your computer, but mostly your eyes to look for burial mounds, Celtic fields and cart tracks in LIDAR pictures. Done by Zooniverse: the Heritage Quest: https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/evakap/heritage-quest
It's quite difficult still.

BTW if you're not into history, they have plenty more projects they need help with: https://www.zooniverse.org/projects
1747) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client not detecting VirtualBox installation (Message 97438)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
In that case I would uninstall and reinstall VirtualBox first, to make sure there isn't something wrong with it or its startup scripts.
I didn't read it, but are you sure you need VirtualBox?
1748) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client not detecting VirtualBox installation (Message 97435)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, if this was the problem a simple restart of the client after system start should solve the problem.
But when are you sure that system start has ended? Simply looking at the drive light won't do it.

Would be nice to have the ability to recheck for VB or GPUs without having to restart the client similar to re-read config files.
Detection of GPUs, coprocessors and VirtualBox is quite a resource intense procedure and we prefer it only happens at BOINC client start.
1749) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client not detecting VirtualBox installation (Message 97431)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't offer the delay_start option in cc_config because it delays the starting of science applications only. It may help, but I doubt it because it's the whole hypervisor that isn't detected as I understand. Since the science applications run in that hypervisor, delay starting them doesn't help because they won't start anyway without the hypervisor. (if there are science applications already available)

But it's the same here, BOINC seems to start before VirtualBox is ready. Which means that by the time VirtualBox starts, BOINC has already started and it won't try to redetect VirtualBox. So delay starting BOINC can fix this.
1750) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client not detecting VirtualBox installation (Message 97429)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You are right that BOINC can be too busy at startup to detect things like VirtualBox and GPUs. The solution is to use the sleep command on the Boinc process for N seconds, where N is your wanted wait time. You can read through https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=12946 to see if that helps (depending on if you sue systemd or not though)
1751) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16.5 for Win, 7.16.6 for Mac released to the public (Message 97420)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is a report saying everything is working as expected useful? That being my experience so far with the7.17.0 which I compiled here?
Yup. Positive or negative, anything to report is fine.
1752) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks being supplied (Message 97418)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, it's possible that Rosetta doesn't have an application for your Linux distro. You probably do best to ask that at their forums, BOINC merely manages the projects - decides how much work to cache, when to run things etc. The actual calculations are done by project applications, and therefore any trouble you have with them, including not getting them, is best asked at their forums: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_help_desk.php (pointing you to their help desk forums, as those you can post in without credit or RAC)
1753) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks being supplied (Message 97415)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You probably don't have any, unless you run the boinc client with the --redirectio flag. But on the off chance that changed lately (I haven't run Linux in ages), check for a stdoutdae.txt file. It's usually stored in the data directory, which may still be at /var/lib/boinc-client
1754) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing important projects would start supporting GPU crunching! (Message 97414)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Peel the sticker off it, or make a photograph. :)
1755) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16.5 for Win, 7.16.6 for Mac released to the public (Message 97389)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
if you don't use VirtualBox for anything, just download the version on the right (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.5_windows_x86_64.exe)
Save it locally, remember where.
When it has downloaded, navigate to where you downloaded it and (double-)click the installer.
That will start installation, it will install over the previous version.
1756) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16.5 for Win, 7.16.6 for Mac released to the public (Message 97387)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What operating system are you on?
1757) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16.5 for Win, 7.16.6 for Mac released to the public (Message 97382)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
New versions of the BOINC client (7.16.5 for Win, 7.16.6 for Mac) have been released to the public. Release notes: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes_for_BOINC_7.16

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this, in particular Charlie Fenton who got things working on the latest Mac OS.

Thanks also to alpha testers GPV67 and Ralfy, who were the only ones to submit test results. I encourage other alpha testers to test and report the results.

Also: I made a Linux self-extracting archive version of 7.16.6. You can get it here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
I built this on Ubuntu 18.04.4, and it may not work on other Linux versions. It includes a screensaver. If you have an appropriate Linux system please test it. You can report results on the Alpha test site.

-- David


Change Log:

  • If output file is missing on startup, flag task as error.
  • Let project specify directories in logical file names.
  • Fix security vulnerability involving logical file names.
  • Make "reread config files" work for ncpus.
  • Support fetch of files over GUI RPC; allow projects to supply their own web-based GUI.
  • FreeBSD: check for AVX
  • Support GUI RPCs as HTTP Post requests.
  • Register user consent to terms of use.
  • Enable "Other options" in simple view if no client connected.
  • Clear "vm_extensions_disabled" flag on startup.
  • Fix work fetch bug when max_concurrent used.
  • Unsuspend jobs before telling them to quit.
  • Sanity-check job runtime limits.
  • Fix overflow in OpenCL GPU FLOPS calculation.
  • Windows: show processor group info at startup
  • Fix stall if --skip_cpu_benchmarks
  • Fix crash in RSS feed fetch
  • Windows: fix GUI RPC password generation when running in a VM
  • Windows: make --dir work
  • "finish file present too long" fix

1758) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97381)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess you mean George Orwell (1984), and not Orson Welles.....
Uh yes, thank you for the correction. 😳😄
1759) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97376)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
When your government thinks this is a good idea, they'll either force you to buy one, or will provide one for you. And deduct you the price from your taxes. Party at Orson's grave!
1760) Message boards : Android : BOINC projects running under Android 10 (Message 97375)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I set BOINC to run on all 8 cores, things get hot very quickly. But I'm curious if one active task can run on multiple cores.
Actually what happens is that by setting BOINC to use 8 cores, you're using 4 and double load them. Android itself does not allow you to use the fastest cores, as it wants to keep them for its own operations. So on big.little configurations it's better to set the amount to half the cores you have, that way a) things won't heat up so much, and b) you're running one task per core, albeit on the slower cores.
It also helps to just put a fan on the device(s). I have three Android devices doing the calculations, they lie in the path of two 140 mm fans that spin at 5V to keep the devices reasonably cool.
1761) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97373)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Drop it in the water, every time. Oops, I did it again!
1762) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97370)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't care. Orson Wells is having a party in his grave. He foresaw this coming. Once it's on your phone they'll find reasons to make you never take it off again. No!
1763) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple Storage Devices for BOINC. (Message 97350)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you can't use multiple drives. You can move your data directory to ONE drive. But really, even if you add all projects available and allow work for all the applications, with a 10 day cache and 10 extra days of storage, you'd have hard luck filling 1 TB of disk space. The projects under BOINC don't use much space for their tasks. Yes, some do have 1Gb tasks, but even if you set 10+10 days worth of cache, chances are you'll only download 20GB of tasks for that project.
1764) Message boards : Web interfaces : Computer/project/app efficiency (Message 97349)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
WUProp@home is a non-intensive project that uses Internet-connected computers to collect workunits properties of BOINC projects such as computation time, memory requirements, checkpointing interval or report limit.

But then again, who are we? What do we know? What do the project developers at WUProp know? Probably nothing.
1765) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple Storage Devices for BOINC. (Message 97347)
Posted 7 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the operating system how you do it, but BOINC stores its tasks in a separate data directory, away from its program files.
You can setup the data directory on another drive, no problem.

In Windows, the default data directory is a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\
You can move this directory elsewhere (do close BOINC down before you do). Then you can either go the registry route and change things there, or uninstall BOINC, reinstall it and in the third screen in the installer, click Advanced, then set the path to the data directory (second option from the top) to where you just moved your data directory to, then complete the installation.

If you want to go the registry route, the key to change is the DATADIR key in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup
No need to reboot the computer afterwards.
1766) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97345)
Posted 7 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our government is looking into one or two apps that everyone with a smartphone is obligated to install, with which they can track our every movement under the guise that if we come into contact with someone who will fall ill of corona, that they can send everyone who has been in the neighborhood of this person a message that they should now go into self-isolation. No.
1767) Message boards : Projects : Coronavirus projects? (Message 97337)
Posted 7 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even if it were in flashing colours with arrows pointing at it, people would ignore it or just know better than all the rest. We have a manual, with a FAQ, I have the BOINC FAQs, it doesn't matter. You can't make people read it.
1768) Message boards : Projects : Coronavirus projects? (Message 97328)
Posted 7 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
They also have some very serious tasks some running more than 1 day on a 4Ghz core.
Those are the tasks you really want to assign to a GPU.
Just because a task is taking so long on a CPU, doesn't mean it's capable of being run on a GPU. Not all science applications can be converted to CUDA or OpenCL (or Vulkan), due to the (proprietary) coding language used, due to memory constraints, or because internal testing has shown that it just doesn't work.

The coding could probably be gotten past with a BOINC wrapper. Or by running the main part of the calculations on the CPU and only some on the GPU.

Memory constraints, most GPUs still have only got 4GB of memory, some have 8GB, 11GB or 16GB. If you want anything more, you're talking several thousands or dollars/euros worth of dedicated co-processors, something projects won't ask of users.

The tasks run have to be converted to kernels that can be run on the GPU. Not everything can so easily be converted this way. Or when done it takes up way more than the memory amount of the GPU. Or it can only be done in Linux, for which you then need a VM to run it on other operating systems, but the VM makes it that the GPU cannot be used.

As for multi-threaded OpenCL, this can be run on the CPU as well. You can ask the project that they release an OpenCL application for CPU, which takes up all the cores of the CPU to calculate the task. Milkyway does this with their NBody application, which is multi-threaded (but not necessarily OpenCL).
1769) Message boards : Questions and problems : All my points were deleted on one of my servers? (Message 97326)
Posted 7 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why do I lose credit in BOINC combined stats?

When you attach to a new project, or reattach to a projects that restarts after a 'break' your CPID for a project can change. It takes a while for all projects to line up again. During this time, you may loose some credit in the combined stats, and sometime all credit will go to a new account with a new CPID.
https://www.boincstats.com/page/faq

BOINCStats is a third party website, it has nothing to do with BOINC. Therefore any problems you have with it, please take it up on their own forums: https://www.boincstats.com/forum/
1770) Message boards : Projects : Contributing to research SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 with BOINC (Message 97325)
Posted 7 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am currently running BOINC on my smartphone and using the Rosetta@home project, which is already contributing

Is it really? I've added it to all my devices, but all of them are waiting until I clear up to 2GB of RAM as that's the minimum requirement for Rosetta to run on Android devices (that's working memory, not storage).
1771) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97309)
Posted 6 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well great. https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/06/netherlands-dealing-coronavirus-pandemic-2-years-report
It may well take more than two years for the Netherlands to find its way out of the coronavirus pandemic, according to the most promising 'exit strategy' a team of around 40 epidemiologists, psychologists, mathematicians, and modelers from all over the country could come up with, NRC reports.
1772) Message boards : Android : Crunching from battery (Message 97293)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, in that case it's a bug. Please report it at BOINC Github: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
I ask that you do that because Vitalii will probably ask you extra things that only you can answer.
1773) Message boards : Questions and problems : communication deferred (Message 97291)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPUGrid, as the name hints to, works with GPUs. And only certain Nvidia ones as far as I know. So if you don't have any GPUs to work with, it's useless to add this project.
Rosetta has work, but it comes in batches. So there are times it doesn't have work.
1774) Message boards : Android : Crunching from battery (Message 97289)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where did you get this version from? Because as far as I know, the Android version from the Google Play Store is only available in English, it isn't translated. And there's no option in it to set it to a different language.
1775) Message boards : Android : Crunching from battery (Message 97283)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe something gone wrong in translation. Try the 4th option from the top.
1776) Message boards : News : New BOINC server (Message 97282)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The server David talks about is the physical hardware. Not the BOINC server software.
1777) Message boards : Android : Crunching from battery (Message 97277)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, I see Advanced preferences aren't even necessary. Just pressing Power Source for Computation should already give the following options:
Wall socket
USB connection
Wireless charger
and in red Battery

See https://www.dropbox.com/s/by79k7nl3neqylx/power-options_edu.berkeley.boinc.jpg?dl=0
1778) Message boards : Web interfaces : Computer/project/app efficiency (Message 97274)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no program that can measure time of tasks for measuring hardware speed, as certain projects have same tasks sometimes differing 10%, sometimes as much as 200%
There is still a lot about BOINC that you have to learn. I have asked you this before and I will ask you again, when you post advice like that to post it on your personal title, "in my opinion". You want so much to have the first answer in and be right, when will you research your answer, see if what you're about to put down is correct, before putting in an answer? Can't you see that you can do much more damage than help by answering uninformed?

Even those of us who have been working with BOINC since its conception, who help on various forums, write code for it, or its documentation, will at times research if the answer we want to put down is correct. I certainly do.
1779) Message boards : Web interfaces : Computer/project/app efficiency (Message 97273)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, use WUProp for that. See https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/delai.py for all the options this project checks.

If you run it yourself it will send information about your hardware vs projects back for comparison.
1780) Message boards : Android : Crunching from battery (Message 97272)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Preferences
Check show Advanced preferences
Then the option should be available under Power source for computation. You may have to scroll up
1781) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 97263)
Posted 4 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it worth my joining the Google group and posting the unhandled exception message I get?

Better post it in BOINC Github, if you haven't already.
1782) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.16 Change Log (Message 97257)
Posted 4 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.16.5 available for testing for Windows,
BOINC 7.16.6 available for testing for Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements where applicable
� Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 64bit only.
� Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
� Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.16.5 & 7.16.6

  • If output file is missing on startup, flag task as error.
  • Let project specify directories in logical file names.
  • Fix security vulnerability involving logical file names.
  • Make "reread config files" work for ncpus.
  • Support fetch of files over GUI RPC; allow projects to supply their own web-based GUI.
  • FreeBSD: check for AVX
  • Support GUI RPCs as HTTP Post requests.
  • Register user consent to terms of use.
  • Enable "Other options" in simple view if no client connected.
  • Clear "vm_extensions_disabled" flag on startup.
  • Fix work fetch bug when max_concurrent used.
  • Unsuspend jobs before telling them to quit.
  • Sanity-check job runtime limits.
  • Fix overflow in OpenCL GPU FLOPS calculation.
  • Windows: show processor group info at startup
  • Fix stall if --skip_cpu_benchmarks
  • Fix crash in RSS feed fetch
  • Windows: fix GUI RPC password generation when running in a VM
  • Windows: make --dir work



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.16.6
- https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.6_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.6_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.6_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.16.5
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.5_windows_x86_64.exe
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.5_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

1783) Message boards : News : New BOINC server (Message 97253)
Posted 3 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
One small problem: the directory listing for https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/ - the download archive for tools and earlier versions - can't be displayed (although downloads of individual files still work). It would be most helpful to be able to see what's available.
That's fixed now.
1784) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97252)
Posted 3 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did any one have a good link where i could read about how to produce moonshine in doors?
And please Private Message it to Juan, just to be sure we allow that here. Thanks.
1785) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 97250)
Posted 3 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bill Lovely Day Withers, 81, American singer-songwriter and musician.
1786) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seeking Driver for GeForce GTX 1050 on Windows 7 64bit (Message 97245)
Posted 3 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Never download drivers via Windows Update, always get them from the maker of the hardware, in your case Nvidia.

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/159085/en-us
1787) Message boards : News : New BOINC server (Message 97243)
Posted 3 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where are you trying to create a userID where you get the error?
1788) Message boards : GPUs : Recent frequent linux errors with amdgpu, kernel 5.10+, multiple projects (Message 97233)
Posted 2 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a problem with your kernel, not with BOINC or the applications thereunder. Search Google for "[drm:amdgpu_ttm_backend_bind [amdgpu]] *ERROR* failed to pin userptr" and you'll find a lot of patches for different kernel versions.

E.g.
This patch set is to fix a bug in amdgpu / radeon drm that results in a crash when dma_map_sg combines elemnets within a scatterlist table.

There are 2 shortfalls in the current kernel.

1) AMDGPU / RADEON assumes that the requested and created scatterlist table lengths using from dma_map_sg are equal. This may not be the case using the newer dma-iommu implementation

2) drm_prime does not fetch the length of the scatterlist via the correct dma macro, this can use the incorrect length being used (>0) in places where dma_map_sg has updated the table elements.

The sg_dma_len macro is representative of the length of the sg item after dma_map_sg

Example Crash :
> [drm:amdgpu_ttm_backend_bind [amdgpu]] *ERROR* failed to pin userptr

This happens in OpenCL applications, causing them to crash or hang, on either amdgpu-pro or ROCm OpenCL implementations

I have verified this fixes the above on kernel 5.5 and 5.5rc using an AMD Vega 64 GPU
https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/3/25/204
1789) Message boards : Projects : WCG joining the fight against COVID-19 (Message 97225)
Posted 1 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,42232

Dear Volunteers,

Today, IBM announced OpenPandemics , a new World Community Grid project in partnership with Scripps Research. Once launched, this project's main goals are:

    * Search for potential treatments for COVID-19.
  • Develop additional open-source drug discovery tools and processes that can be quickly deployed to address future pandemics and epidemics.


World Community Grid has been working behind the scenes to get the project launched as quickly as possible and we'll keep you up to date throughout this process. As soon as we begin alpha testing (internal testing of work units that will eventually be sent to volunteers' computers), we will make an announcement in this thread. We'll also update this thread with links to announcements about beta testing, the project launch, and regular project updates, so that anyone visiting the forum can quickly find the latest information.

In order to keep these announcements as visible as possible to all forum visitors, this thread will be locked. Volunteers are encouraged to post about OpenPandemics on the following threads:


Also, we will be strictly enforcing our communications guidelines, which you can read here .

We're thankful for everyone's support for World Community Grid and all humanitarian scientific research. Now, more than ever, we're all in this together.

Many thanks,
Juan

1790) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97221)
Posted 1 Apr 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You shall know 4.2 days after it has happened, if you keep F5'ing all the active user's pages.
1791) Message boards : Documentation : Boinc project list needs update: (Message 97211)
Posted 31 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BAM can't distinguish between the hardware I'm running on one unit vs another.
The client does.
Therefor I would say that it's not a BAM issue.
You are still not understanding what an account manager is. An account manager is a website through which you can set for multiple machines at once which projects these machines should add into BOINC.
As with any project, you can setup several different groups of venues/locations, so to split your computers into groups with the same hardware.
That way you can set per venue which projects should be added and which not. So there's some responsibility at setting up an account manager, just like you have that responsibility when you add projects manually.

Now, as to projects without ARM capability being added to ARM devices, that's completely possible. Because in the future the project may decide to add ARM capability, and then at least your devices are already ready to receive. They will ask for work, but never get any as long as the project does not have an application that cannot run on that hardware.

So there's nothing wrong with BOINC, it's all working as intended. Even BAM is working as intended.
And if you don't want this to happen, if you want your ARM devices only to get the projects that have an ARM application NOW, then you should just spend some time to group your hosts into groups: https://www.boincstats.com/bam/hosts/, https://www.boincstats.com/bam/hostGroups/
1792) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Am I from the future? macOS version 17.16.3 (Message 97199)
Posted 30 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.16.3 is a beta version.
7.14.3 is the new recommended version via the BOINC download site, as present BOINC needed an update for mac Mojave support.

The main change for 7.14.3 for the Mac is: Prevent OS X Mojave from trying to display BOINC Manager in Dark Mode, since BOINC does not yet support Dark Mode.
The next 7.16.n beta will have a test-fix for the dark mode support for Mojave. Once 7.16 becomes recommended, it will take over from 7.14 again.

Charles (Charlie) Fenton was the main Mac developer for years and although retired, has returned for this update, mainly because no one else did anything about it.
1793) Message boards : Questions and problems : Remote Attach Projects (Message 97197)
Posted 30 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
</log_flags>
<options>
<allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
<disallow_attach>1</disallow_attach>
</options>
</cc_config>
You set <disallow_attach> and then you try to attach projects...
 <disallow_attach>0|1</disallow_attach>
    If enabled, the client won't attach to new projects.
1794) Message boards : Android : ARM boards project, need help updating/maintaining them... :/ (Message 97194)
Posted 30 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Today I wanted to update my thread on the AMLogic boards (ARM server), but it seems like it was archived.
So then you click on the little red X at the bottom of the first post of that thread and you do a report to the moderators, asking in a friendly manner if we can unlock the thread, which we can do. And even post to to make sure it gets to the top and stays open, as else the 90 day thread closure service will close it again within the hour. But ask and we can serve.
1795) Message boards : The Lounge : Bought a new Ryzen 9 specially for Boinc projects! Excited! (Message 97193)
Posted 30 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best not run Rosetta either as their (8 hour) tasks use up to 1.7GB per task.
1796) Message boards : Questions and problems : Detection of stalled projects? (Message 97192)
Posted 30 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
reason being, I dislike the stock setting of switching tasks every 10 minutes.
BOINC Manager->Computing Preferences->Computing->Switch between tasks every N minutes->set N to wanted value->Save.
Same option available in the global computing preferences on each project's website.

BOINC will override this value when it finds you have too much work in cache and all based on the present guestimate that work is unable to be done before the deadline. Then BOINC will go into earliest deadline first mode and run as many tasks for a short amount of time to calculate it all tasks can be done before their deadline or not. During this mode tasks can be swapped in and out after several minutes.
1797) Message boards : Documentation : Boinc project list needs update: (Message 97191)
Posted 30 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And remember the role of the client.

Why does Boinc Manager allow BAM to import erroneous projects?
Even if BAM does what it shouldn't, the Manager "aka managing", should refuse the request.

BOINC Manager manages BOINC, the client. It does not manage anything external. BOINC Manager is a graphical user interface that allows you to easily control and manage the BOINC client. Because else you'd all have to do that via command line and [url+https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool]boinccmd tool[/url].

BAM, Gridrepublic, Gridcoin, SU and whatever other account managers there are are websites via which you set which projects you want to run and these communicate that to the BOINC client.

BAM, GR, GC and SU are all independent entities, just as each and every project is its own entity. Any problems you have with the account managers you should report to the account managers as else they can't check if it is their problem or not.

I would appreciate it if you followed the links we point to, so you can read up on how things work, before you point out something that isn't a problem again.
1798) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97175)
Posted 30 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, you make it sound like on Tuesday Eric will personally close the door, ushering everyone still there out and onto the street into the rain. Because it does need to rain. 🌧️☔
1799) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97169)
Posted 29 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No use being at Seti, with its slow forums. Why don't they just pull the plug on some of the servers already?
1800) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 97166)
Posted 29 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jeff Monday, long time Setizen
Jim Scott, long time Setizen
1801) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97165)
Posted 29 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You sure you don't live in Brazil under that quack Bolsonaro? https://apnews.com/b21a296383694c6726d03e027134daf1

Bolsonaro says his response to the disease matches that of President Donald Trump in the U.S., but the Brazilian leader has gone further, labeling the virus as “a little flu” and saying state governors’ aggressive measures to halt the disease were crimes.

On Thursday, Bolsonaro told reporters in the capital, Brasilia, that he feels Brazilians’ natural immunity will protect the nation.

“The Brazilian needs to be studied. He doesn’t catch anything. You see a guy jumping into sewage, diving in, right? Nothing happens to him. I think a lot of people were already infected in Brazil, weeks or months ago, and they already have the antibodies that help it not proliferate,” Bolsonaro said. “I’m hopeful that’s really a reality.”
1802) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97163)
Posted 29 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh is it Sunday? I'm lost with what day of the week it is.
1803) Message boards : Projects : Coronavirus projects? (Message 97156)
Posted 28 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Corona doesn't make sense for a boinc project, unless the deadline is like less than 24 hours; and in this case 24 hours is a long time.
Says the expert in everything and BOINC. I'd appreciate it if you'd start posting things like this as 'In my opinion..."

If they needed the results back within 24 hours, they'd use an in-house super computer. But since the medical companies don't all have that ability, BOINC and FAH are the next best choice. Rosetta has a deadline of just 7 days on their COVID-19 tasks, which is enough. The vaccine when found won't be on the market immediately anyway, that requires a lot of testing first.
1804) Message boards : Questions and problems : Display of BOINC Manager almost useless (Message 97154)
Posted 28 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is a known problem and a fix for this will be tested in 7.16.4 which will be released for alpha testing one of these days.
1805) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 97151)
Posted 28 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Liesbeth List, 78, Dutch singer, stage actress and television personality.
1806) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97150)
Posted 28 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't forget to set your clocks tonight, if you do so. Makes corona an hour shorter.
1807) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Suggestion] Crypto and Boinc (Message 97149)
Posted 28 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You already can when you add the GridCoin account manager. https://gridcoin.us/
1808) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC does not respect suspend settings in computing preferences with low priority processes (Message 97136)
Posted 27 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You already found the source code, so download it, adjust the code to your liking, build it and use that for yourself.
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient
1809) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97124)
Posted 27 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The world is doomed.
First Prince Charles, now the UK PM and health secretary tested positive for the coronavirus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52058788
1810) Message boards : Server programs : Checkpointing when using wrapper (Message 97123)
Posted 27 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think you're quicker off if you ask that question on the BOINC Developers email list or in Github.

https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/forum/#!forum/boinc_dev
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
1811) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC does not respect suspend settings in computing preferences with low priority processes (Message 97121)
Posted 27 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
My problem with your logic is that you get a process that's by default (as intended by its developers) to run at normal priority and set it to low priority, and then you blame BOINC for being buggy for not suspending it, because you set it to low priority but that still uses up quite a lot or all of the CPU core(s) just as its developers intended.

I'd say, try finding an actual low priority process that uses up a lot of processing power and see how BOINC reacts to that. And if it then still behaves like that, then call it a bug. But deliberately changing the running priority of programs to call out a bug in BOINC is like telling a car manufacturer that his car drives rotten because you let out the air from all the tires.
1812) Message boards : Questions and problems : New account, can't add projects (Message 97109)
Posted 27 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have to make a new account at each project. An account made for BOINC is just for these forums, not for the projects. Projects are individual entities.
1813) Message boards : The Lounge : Bought a new Ryzen 9 specially for Boinc projects! Excited! (Message 97107)
Posted 27 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think there is a Windows app from AMD that will help you tell what kind of temperatures your system(s) are running.
I use Core Temp 1.15.1: https://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/, although it only shows the temperatures for all the cores in the system tray.

AMD System Monitor (https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/gpu-100) is ugly but may do the job. Although, it shows all my cores at 0MHz. Oops.
1814) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97055)
Posted 25 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But if they are, then how does he use them in the parking meter?
1815) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97051)
Posted 25 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Back at car in well under 20 minutes.
Enough time to hold your breath then.
I'm running out of 70p pieces
70p pieces? Did something change back there that you have odd pieces like that?
1816) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97035)
Posted 24 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The coronavirus and how it hampers you in your movements?
1817) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rosetta@home computation error (Message 97034)
Posted 24 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
When a task finishes in the normal manner, it will upload the result of the calculations to the Rosetta project server and BOINC will report the task as being finished and finished correctly.
In your case the Rosetta science application crashed before it could finalize the result of the calculations, thus it had nothing to upload (output file absent), and BOINC then only reported that the task had finished in a faulty manner.

The task in question is at the moment of being reported no longer on your system, it will get deleted.
1818) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 97024)
Posted 24 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Albert Uderzo, 92, French cartoonist, maker of Astérix series.
1819) Message boards : News : Rosetta@home studies coronavirus (Message 97023)
Posted 24 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I understood is that the sudden influx of computers, going from 30K sustained to 400-500K almost overnight, has swamped FAH's network connection. Their servers can cope, they just don't have the bandwidth to send out the work and receive the results back in a fashionable manner.
1820) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97022)
Posted 24 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The trouble is that our government imposed stricter travel rules at the same time, going to June 1st.

Stay at home. Travel only when necessary for work, medicines or grocery shopping. No groups larger than 2 people. Keep the 5 feet distance or get a 400 euro fine.

There's no carpeting in the flat, I will have to go to a store to get nice carpets and lay them myself or have them laid. But with the stricter movement rules each week I doubt that by the 5th of May when I get the keys, I will be able to do anything.

Nothing said about the actual moving...
1821) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 97013)
Posted 23 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
UK: From this evening people must stay at home except for shopping for basic necessities, daily exercise, any medical need and travelling to and from essential work. Shops selling non-essential goods are being told to shut and gatherings in public of more than two people who do not live together are to be prohibited.

Other premises including libraries, playgrounds and outdoor gyms, and places of worship must also close immediately. Parks will remain open for exercise but gatherings will be dispersed.

The government is also stopping all social events, including weddings, baptisms and other ceremonies - but funerals will be allowed. Mr Johnson said the country faced a "moment of national emergency" and staying at home was necessary to protect the NHS and save lives.


The Netherlands: group bans of more than two people. Only family members are allowed in close proximity. (Birthday) parties only allow 3 visitors. Stay 5 feet apart at all times. Stay at home. Can only go out for shopping or go to work, and only if you're in an essential job.

Sounds like the aliens are about to land, doesn't it?
1822) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97009)
Posted 23 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: I have a new apartment. Just went over to see it and I liked it quite a lot. Two bedroom apartment, pretty big living room, add-on kitchen with a balcony. Was 80% sold when I saw it. Am now completely sold.
1823) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97003)
Posted 23 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And then you find on your way the newbie who disabled sticky reordering in their preferences. ;-)
1824) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 97001)
Posted 23 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumble: don't people search anymore if their question/feature request has been asked already?
1825) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96987)
Posted 22 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Too many people who aren't keeping their distance. I checked, and in Belgium (who do have a lockdown) one can move as it's an essential movement, but only with help of 1 friend, or done by a moving company and then you're not allowed to help. So fingers crossed that before the 5th of May there's no lockdown here as I don't have the funds to pay the rent for two apartments for months on end.
1826) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96985)
Posted 22 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It looks like I have a new apartment. Another 20 minutes to go for the sign in, but I'm still nr.1
Of course, if the apartment is to my liking, the next problem will be... how the heck does one move in these uncertain days?
1827) Message boards : Projects : Seti@Home in hibernation (Message 96984)
Posted 22 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please read https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13513
Also keep in mind that everyone in California is at this moment in "Shelter-in-place" modus, meaning no one can leave their homes, they're essentially locked down.
1828) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96975)
Posted 21 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
After all everyone has tracked dog poop in all over the floor and it would be hard to open the pack without contamination.
The floors never get cleaned there either? Doubtful. And if that's why you throw it away, because you can't get it open without contaminating, how do you get it home if you bought it? Do you know what the packaging all comes into contact with before you arrive at your fridge?
1829) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96972)
Posted 21 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The coronavirus has arrived in the nursing home my mom lives in. Fingers crossed that it won't get to her.
1830) Message boards : Projects : Folding@Home on BOINC (Message 96969)
Posted 21 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is of course if the workshop isn't cancelled. And did I post that email without title? I'm getting senile. ;-)
1831) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96968)
Posted 21 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doesn't your meat come packed in plastic?
1832) Message boards : Projects : Folding@Home on BOINC (Message 96959)
Posted 21 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since there's not many developers reading here by default, I have forwarded your post to the BOINC developers list, with a link to this thread.
1833) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96953)
Posted 20 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The UK closed all pubs, restaurants, theatres etc, per immediately.
Belgium has closed its borders with The Netherlands, because we were still crossing them, mostly to go tank cheap there (50c per litre cheaper than in TN)
1834) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96951)
Posted 20 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
180+ stations did it: https://www.expressandstar.com/news/viral-news/2020/03/19/bbc-radio-to-join-european-stations-in-playing-youll-never-walk-alone/, my fave Caroline included. Thumbs up for the initiative, it was tear jerking.
1835) Message boards : The Lounge : Bought a new Ryzen 9 specially for Boinc projects! Excited! (Message 96943)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set the correct XMP profile (Extreme Memory Profile), this will set all the memory settings correctly for you. (Page 22 and 23 of your motherboard manual).
1836) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 96939)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Universe@Home has upload trouble.
1837) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96937)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So - browser back button from spinning wheel screen (to composition screen): change addressee to self: post again: open inbox in new tab: verify PM has arrived. So I'm assuming Rob's got his copy too.
You can do that immediately. When PM'ing someone add a comma, space then your own ID number. So if I would send you a PM and want to send myself an immediate copy, I do: 1675, 8 in the To line.

I think it's two or three people you can send to at the same time.
1838) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96934)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But then I posted the second one, and waited, and waited, over 7 minutes for the confirmation to appear.
Ah, so you broke the forums! Nice of you to admit that. But how did you manage to also break the Seti forums with the exact same waiting problem?
1839) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96932)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
A forum slowdown at the same time at Seti and BOINC... wow.
1840) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96931)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Aside from Schrödinger's cat, do you experience other time related incidents?

Message 96928 - Posted: 19 Mar 2020, 14:14:11 UTC
Message 96930 - Posted: 19 Mar 2020, 14:43:38 UTC - in response to Message 96928.

Just spent 40 minutes talking

My math may be off, but 14:14 -> 14:43 = 29 minutes.

I can tell you, by Monday morning no one is coming to your house anymore because by then your country is also in lockdown and everyone is to stay at home. Listen to me! Whoa my words!
1841) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96924)
Posted 19 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as not everyone does things like this guy: https://twitter.com/BrexitBetrayed/status/1240298550292025344
Although I suspect he's just a shop owner, because otherwise that's about impossible. That's a lot of pancake mix!
1842) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96911)
Posted 18 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Latest coronanews:
- the EU is asking Netflix and other streaming sites to stream their content in lower resolutions because with all these people sitting at home streaming everything in HD and above resolutions, the internet is getting overloaded.
- Dutch supermarkets are asking to temporarily stop handling cash money, to only pay with PIN.
- herd immunity, does it work or not? I'll be able to tell you if I am still alive in 4 weeks time.
1843) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rosetta@home Can't create login "Captcha Failed" (Message 96905)
Posted 18 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Too bad you posted it in their corona thread. Better put it in http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=13592#92049 because that's on topic, as that person posts he cannot make a team also due to the broken captcha.
1844) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96897)
Posted 18 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Noooo! The Eurovision Song Festival has been cancelled!
1845) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96895)
Posted 18 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
One of the confirmed cases of corona posted their symptoms online: severe headache, very tired, muscle aches between shoulder blades, pain in neck and back, stuffed breathing, hyperactive bowel movements, less appetite. No fever, no couching or sneezing.

Exactly what I have felt for the past two weeks and which still comes up now and then. Very tired again today, slept from 11pm last night till 12am today.
1846) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96872)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was trying to get to https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project earlier but it refused to load. Still very slow now.
1847) Message boards : The Lounge : Bought a new Ryzen 9 specially for Boinc projects! Excited! (Message 96871)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
On:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/izrf6usruzv6fgv/boinc_full_on.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/smmglk0mjr8u6um/full_on.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihxlcmijvsg60fs/full_on_2.jpg?dl=0

(no admin account, thus also the too many links problem. Solved in two extra posts. ;-))
1848) Message boards : The Lounge : Bought a new Ryzen 9 specially for Boinc projects! Excited! (Message 96870)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Off:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfc5gnc5hv0hijc/boinc_full_off.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3pc4799trbkbv7x/full_off.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1gk2hjk90urfz9u/full_off_lazy.jpg?dl=0
1849) Message boards : The Lounge : Bought a new Ryzen 9 specially for Boinc projects! Excited! (Message 96869)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I run 24 threads, so it's only normal the CPU frequency lowers compared to only 6 cores no ht.
You have a base clock speed of 3.8GHz on the CPU. So when it runs idle with no Windows processes at all running, it runs at (close to) 3.8GHz on all cores, no matter how many are available, SMT on or off. But since there's always some processes running, speeds will be shown higher in Task Manager Performance.

Specially for you I enabled SMT, have 23 cores running Universe now. 1 core for GPU.
Speed is 4,048.81 MHz on all cores. Without any tricks, without overclocking. Just basic settings in the BIOS, only SMT on.
Temps are then 83C. By the sound of it, fans are full on. Quite some heat being moved out of the top of the machine. [/quote]
1850) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96863)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not just there... although Labatt Ice was pretty drinkable on a hot summer's day.
1851) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bad overclock, GPU no longer used? (Message 96862)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No reason why it wouldn't work before.
It's called the scheduler (source code, have fun)

BOINC doesn't care about GPU speeds. It doesn't use the GPU.
It merely schedules when what project is eligible to ask for work for what hardware resource. Hence the link to the scheduler. You've been here a couple hundred posts, how about trying to learn what the software does?
1852) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96856)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: booking.com just called to tell me they've cancelled my reservation on the holiday home and will send me my money back.
Grumble: this does mean my vacation is now cancelled. Thanks coronavirus!
1853) Message boards : The Lounge : Bought a new Ryzen 9 specially for Boinc projects! Excited! (Message 96855)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 3900x did about 3,1-3,2Ghz on all cores at 65W, and would thermal throttle at 105W with the stock cooler,
The base clock speed of a 3900X is 3.8GHz. Why is yours underclocking?

But with the water cooling, does ~3,5Ghz on all cores at 65W, and ~3,8 to occasionally over 4 Ghz at 105W.
Mine runs Universe on 6 cores at the moment at 4,224 MHz, SMT in BIOS off. This with a Corsair watercooling AIO at setting silent, max temperatures 67C.

When I turn BOINC off, clock speeds on all cores drop to 3,724 MHz. If yours are lower, you aren't running the 3900X at correct base speed. You may require a BIOS update, but at least check in the BIOS if all is set correctly, and otherwise load factory settings before trying again.
1854) Message boards : Questions and problems : Proposal: a feature to manage CPU workload (Message 96853)
Posted 17 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's already built into BOINC.
Computing Preferences, Use at most N % of CPU time.

Set this to 50% and for every 10 seconds BOINC will pause computations for 5 seconds, run them for the other 5 seconds.
You can also limit the amount of CPU cores with the Use at most N % of the CPUs option.

And if you require a better temperature based option, do look at the excellent 3rd party Tthrottle from https://efmer.com/.
1855) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96836)
Posted 16 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
good grief, I'm fine, but not permitted to go out! At least if I keep my mouth shut no one will know.
Well, if your President is to be believed, it's only till July/August. Hope you can stay in that long.
1856) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96835)
Posted 16 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But what about the pub quizzzz?
1857) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96833)
Posted 16 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: Westworld III. Wow. Do watch it beyond the credits.
1858) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96809)
Posted 16 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope my canned food lasts that long: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised
1859) Message boards : Questions and problems : rosetta@home tasks don't download (Message 96808)
Posted 16 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
He downloads OK from home, where he does not have these restrictions. He cannot download at work, which is normal company policy. Most companies don't like it much that you use their hardware and bandwidth for things unrelated to work. So they block about all of the internet and only allow certain sites and domains through.

A workaround for him would be to fill his cache at home and run that down during his work day, upload & report at home, then download new work again for the next day. Mind that companies have fired people over less, which is why we urge to run BOINC only on authorized computers.
1860) Message boards : Questions and problems : rosetta@home tasks don't download (Message 96805)
Posted 16 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Company firewalls block by default all executables and files from domains they don't recognize. Dr Who Fan did not lie.
Ask your IT department to allow all files and folders from http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
1861) Message boards : Questions and problems : .torrent file for download (Message 96793)
Posted 15 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What for? The client? I doubt it.
1862) Message boards : BOINC client : Blank Page on windows (Message 96787)
Posted 15 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say the client runs, but are you sure about that? Top should show a boinc binary running for that. Because when BOINC manager shows most its windows and options as empty, this usually indicates that the client has crashed and is no longer running.
1863) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96780)
Posted 15 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
After Spain, France, Austria, Germany and Belgium, we in The Netherlands are now in partial lockdown. Our borders are still open, but schools, restaurants, café's, sport clubs, sex clubs, sauna's, swimming pools, fitness clubs etc. etc. are closing until the 6th of April. And while we're still allowed to move about freely, we're to stay away from people around us, by at least 1.5m. Gonna be fun in the supermarket cashier line.
1864) Message boards : Server programs : defining GPU apps (Message 96777)
Posted 15 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What, to use underscores instead of spaces? Or to use two underscores?
By the way, I don't know, you best ask about the naming schemes on the boinc dev email list or on github.
1865) Message boards : BOINC Manager : the graphic button no longer works with Rosetta @home (Message 96774)
Posted 15 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project then stopped providing a graphics application with its tasks. Only when it has a graphics application that runs alongside their science application, does BOINC Manager offer the graphics button and does the screen saver show graphics for this project.
1866) Message boards : The Lounge : That other thread (Message 96770)
Posted 14 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check options 1 and 2. They're for when you want the updates and when to reboot.

As for the thread, make a new one and I will move these posts there. Tomorrow. As I am now off to bed.
1867) Message boards : The Lounge : That other thread (Message 96768)
Posted 14 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Win10 stays waiting until I say it can reboot. Just follow https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10. Option 3 disables that Windows Updates checks for and immediately downloads updates. You will have to press the check for updates button, after that it will automatically install the updates but then again wait for you to press restart.

By the way, can we move away from a Windows discussion now in this Android thread?
1868) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96765)
Posted 14 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spain is in lockdown. Spaniards will be ordered to stay at home except to buy food or medicines, go to the hospital, go to work or for other emergencies. All active soldiers in Spain as well as the National Police and Guardia Civil are reported to be on alert and ready to isolate the capital as soon as the State of Emergency is approved by the Cabinet.
1869) Message boards : Projects : Can we Cure Corona (Message 96764)
Posted 14 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dutch virologists found an antibody blocking SARS-COVID-2

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.987958v1
The emergence of the novel human coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan, China has caused a worldwide epidemic of respiratory disease (COVID-19). Vaccines and targeted therapeutics for treatment of this disease are currently lacking. Here we report a human monoclonal antibody that neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 (and SARS-CoV). This cross-neutralizing antibody targets a communal epitope on these viruses and offers potential for prevention and treatment of COVID-19.
1870) Message boards : Server programs : defining GPU apps (Message 96756)
Posted 13 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not spaces, but underscores _
1871) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96744)
Posted 13 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
One person in check out line had 5 gallons of milk!
Maybe they bathe in it as a natural prevention?
1872) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96740)
Posted 13 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least we're getting a whole new language out of this. Take any standalone word and stick corona in front of it and presto, new word.
So we already have:
coronavirus, coronabeds, coronacircus, coronameasures, coronacrisis, coronadeaths, coronacasualties, coronanews, coronainformation, coronapatients, coronaquarantine, #coronatired, coronatest, coronaprovince, coronacruise, coronahotel, coronavirologist, coronadepression, coronavacation, coronamasshysterics, coronahahahaha.
1873) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96738)
Posted 13 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's because NHS is at or over capacity. Same here with the RIVM who at the beginning said anyone could get themselves checked, but after a week they changed that to 'only if you have a high fever'. So we have 804 people officially infected, 10 dead (5 during the last day!). The infected value can probably be a tenfold because a lot of people have the mild version. ICUs are at or nearing capacity. We have a maximum of 1,000 beds in ICU in the whole country and yesterday they were at 850 beds filled.

But not to worry said our government. Schools can stay open because children aren't infected. Yeah right. This is a virus that's picky and only goes to those above 21. Best virologists in the world. Jeeze.
1874) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 96737)
Posted 13 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There haven't really been any significant changes since Android 5.
Which is in the eye of the beholder, of course.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3235946/android-versions-a-living-history-from-1-0-to-today.html disagrees with you.
1875) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96735)
Posted 13 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And now Mount Everest is closed: Mount Everest: Nepal's government shuts off mountain amid virus outbreak
Because why? People lick infected snow?
1876) Message boards : Questions and problems : Increase task transfer? (Message 96734)
Posted 13 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
My guess is that each project has particular issues which can be resolved by editing cc_config.xml
No. cc_config.xml is the core client configuration file. In it you set either debug flags to debug the client, the connection or anything in between, or you set optional settings for proxies, which GPU to use or not use, what to ping to check the connection etc.

You set project preferences via the web site, or the app_config.xml file.
Don't confuse the latter with the app_info.xml file, as that file is exclusively used for the anonymous platform.

That there are many choices for cc_config.xml shows that this is more intricate of a program than many people believe it is.
1877) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96708)
Posted 12 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, we do have those rules on the left when you make a post. I don't enforce them so strictly, as I think we're all adults here and we know when we go too far with our language. I also give everyone one swear word per day, but even if you post ten you won't get banished over it. Not by me. I'll discuss it with you, will ask you why there's the need to use those words when there are so many others that say the same thing without the loaded meaning. I'm sometimes glad we're not a birds forum...

What D-word is so bad?
1878) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96706)
Posted 12 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think the owl was giving a warning about the language (swearing). I think we can have any discussion in this thread, as long as it's done clean. So far all the pages before no one was swearing. Until one guy dropped the F-bomb and you and I went with a unwanted A-word. No need to walk off or take your computers elsewhere.
1879) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96703)
Posted 12 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well...

A new study suggests that the novel coronavirus COVID-19 can remain in the air for up to three hours, and live on surfaces such as plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

The research, published in the medRxiv depository, also notes that the virus can remain on copper surfaces for four hours and carboard for up to 24 hours. The research found it could stay on stainless steel and plastic for anywhere between two and three days.
Likeminded news link
1880) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96701)
Posted 12 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And there we go. Dutch people are urged to stay at home as much as possible, this rule is for everyone now.
If you have a cough, you sneeze, or you have a (slight) fever, you're to quarantine yourself for 14 days. Not visit elderly people. Not visit people who are sick already. All gatherings where 100+ people come have been canceled.

Has the Formula One been canceled yet now McLaren decided not to drive?
1881) Message boards : The Lounge : Anonymous BOINC moderators (Message 96696)
Posted 12 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi all,

The other day I got an email in from David (Anderson) in which he asked me to tone it down, because of a complaint of someone who apparently didn't like that I have an opinion that differs from theirs on things like the climate and the corona virus. Instead of that this person took to the discussion on the forums or even in PM to me, they went to David with links to my transgressions, and requested that I was dealt with because I was destroying the reputation of BOINC, the scientific projects under Boinc, as well as the reputation of Berkeley, University of California and even more.

The person also stated that they wanted to post about it on these forums but were afraid I would retaliate and remove their post and banish them from these boards. They must have mistaken me for two ex-moderators at Seti@Home who couldn't deal with reality.

But okay, what I did next was something I had been planning for a while, and something I probably should've done a long time ago: I made an anonymous moderator account.
I want to post my own opinion with my own account. I am not paid by BOINC to do any of the moderation on these forums, and I have been doing that moderation with much fun since I started here. So to be able to continue that, I have made that new account solely to be used for moderating these forums. I won't use it to post with. Unless a warning is needed in a thread.

Just so they too are be able to post their opinion with their own account without having to watch out for the wrath of people with a different opinion, I have advised the other moderators on this forum to follow my lead, which meanwhile Les has done.

I hate that it had to come to this, and I hope that in the future I can just put the titles back on my own account. But in the mean time, let's do it like this.
I implore, if you have a problem with me, or my style of writing, or my opinions, or my scientific principles or you find anything else that differs from what you believe in, why not send me a PM or take me on for a discussion in the boards?

Leaves the state of the forums: yes, we are very aware that there are some threads in various forums that have gone way off topic as according to their thread titles, but with the world in disarray I don't find that much of a problem. If you do find it a problem, press the red-x and post something about it. A moderator will look into it then.
1882) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96687)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But you got your ass/arse kicked :-P
Says who? Besides, there's still Bernie and Les. But you don't think I give up so easily because someone complains about me having an opinion? I've been playing this game since 2005, I know how to play catch.
1883) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96684)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there is moderation on this forum.
1884) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96677)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
On top of that, to battle the other crisis we have, from the 16th onwards we can't drive faster than 100 kilometers per hour anymore on the motorway (is now 130 kph).
In the UK we're halfway between those and have been for a long time, but it's to do with "safety" rather than "pollution". Of course most people simply ignore it and drive any speed they want. I tend to go 160kph. The pigs are easy enough to spot.
When I was there in March and September/October last year everyone drove around 60 mph because of all the road works. Most M-ways had miles and miles and miles of road works. With a traffic camera every 500 yards. And if no road works, then the variable speed limits were fun. Didn't see many people ignore those either.

What I did see was a person drive around with part of the body work of his car hanging loose, it flapping in the wind, and not even the police being bothered about it. Other priorities.

That's to stop polluting our nature with NOX.
So presumably if you buy an electric car, you would be allowed to drive as fast as you like?
No, same slow pace as everyone else. Besides, your electric car pollutes as hard as your non-electric car, because it still needs to juice up from the wall-socket and here most electricity coming out the wall is still made by biomass electric plants, gas plants and here and there a coal plant.
1885) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96671)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our institute for health (RIVM) and politicians are going on and on about washing your hands, not shaking hands etc.
In the meantime no one in Noord-Brabant is allowed to work in other provinces anymore, or if they had work there, are advised by government and companies to stay at home. We're no longer allowed to fraternize in any way, not meet new people, not socialize with people we already know, all sports gatherings have been canceled or are played without public, know a Noord-Brabander? He's a pariah! If you know me, best put me on ignore before I infect you through my posts! 😂😂🤣🤣
I wonder how long it takes before internet to us is cut... 😬🌹

German chancellor Merkel has uplifting numbers, saying she expects 60 to 70% of her population to get this flu.
I sincerely hope that by May we're done with this nonsense, as my vacation is non-refundable.

Edit: WHO now calls coronavirus a pandemic
1886) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96669)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
He wasn't my friend, but someone in a video in the news. And no, he did not talk about soap or where to stick it. Why?
1887) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96663)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
All nice and all, but a virus is - I learned this yesterday from a virologist - a package of protein with some genetic material in it. It isn't alive! You can't kill it. The function of a virus is to land on a host cell and infect that cell with some RNA. That cell will then produce the virus RNA which will become the eventual virus that will make you sick.

But here's the other thing: you have a lot of viruses already in you. Viruses are used in your intestinal tract to keep the bacteria there in check. You have a hundred thousand billion bacteria inside you, and ten times as many viruses to keep those bacteria at bay.
1888) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC stopped recognizing GPU (Message 96659)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13350 for how another user dealt with his phantom GPUs. Chances are you are dealing with phantom GPUs as well.

You can always PM that user to ask if he fixed his problems.
1889) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC stopped recognizing GPU (Message 96655)
Posted 11 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No don't go that far. I'll search in moment, but we have had reports from people they saw more than their GPU count in BOINC, cards that weren't there. So you may have had that happen, may be a glitch in how OpenCL is detected.
1890) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96649)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, I live in a province that's basically quarantined from the rest of The Netherlands. We've all been urged to work from home, people who work in other provinces are no longer allowed to come to work. Our PM has told us to stay at home and wash our hands. And not shake hands anymore with anyone, after which he shook hands with the head of the RIVM who was with him. All large gatherings in Noord-Brabant have been canceled. All small gatherings as well.

On top of that, to battle the other crisis we have, from the 16th onwards we can't drive faster than 100 kilometers per hour anymore on the motorway (is now 130 kph). That's to stop polluting our nature with NOX. Mind, only cars and motorbikes are affected, not airplanes, because they don't pollute so much, as we stop measuring their NOX output above 3,000 meters. In 2017 planes still accumulated 14% of the yearly NOX output, now, miraculously it's 0.1%.

Luckily we're all dumb enough to believe this.
1891) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96645)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can't remove stars at this moment, because by removing my titles I removed my access to a certain page. Will get it back, and then add stars to Richard for his post. :)
1892) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96637)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
There, fixed that.
1893) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC in Windows 10 (Message 96634)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cannot find any cc_config_xml file anywhere. Configurations must be stored in Windows Registry, I guess, but where?
First off, the cc_config.xml file (with a dot instead of an underscore between config and xml) isn't made with BOINC, it can be made manually, or by editing and saving the event log options, or exclusive applications. This will fill out a complete cc_config.xml file that's stored in your data directory, on Windows 10 a hidden directory default at C:\Programdata\BOINC

Configurations, depends on what you mean with that:
- preferences are stored in the global_prefs.xml file for web preferences and global_prefs_override.xml for local preferences.
- debug flags and some more advanced operating configurations are stored in the cc_config.xml file.
- the registry holds information on what directories BOINC uses and the size and position of BOINC Manager.


Mind, this isn't a thread to post about possible bugs you find in BOINC 7.16.5. You can make your own thread for that, but we prefer you post about it on BOINC Github, or post about it to the BOINC Alpha email list. I asked the thread starter Aero to try 7.16.5 to see if that would fix his TLS problems, because it uses a newer version of OpenSSL.
1894) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96629)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And with that said, someone on here does not like that I have my own opinion about these things, or that I am using these boards to post them. So instead of PM'ing me about it, or going into discussion and try to change my opinion, they went over my head to David. Damaging the reputation of BOINC?

Remember, you are allowed to speak your mind on these boards, as long as you don't use foul language every other word. But you're denying that to me because your opinion differs from mine?

Fine. Have it your way. I'll go back to being a moderator only.
You are on ignore.
1895) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96628)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And you ARE a moderator....
True, I sport that title. I also sport the admin title. But I tend not to use the titles when I am part of the argument, discussion etc. I'd rather one of the other moderators takes over for the moderation then. And they can moderate me as well.

And where do you see "post 100"? Mine is on 96625, which I assume is a global count from every thread.
the Index tells me there are 347 posts in this thread (in a bit 348 as mine's added). You can set up how many pages you want in a thread in your preferences. I've set mine for 100 per page. When I go to page 2 for me, thus post 101, there's already no talk about PCI express risers anymore, it's a discussion on how many tasks to run on a GPU and how much memory that takes. So...
1896) Message boards : Documentation : Boinc project list needs update: (Message 96627)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Below are my findings on the BOINC projects list for Android client.
7.16.5 presently being tested has an Android only listing of Androids, Einstein, LHC, Moo!, Rosetta, Seti, Universe, World Community Grid, Yoyo and the BAM!, Gridrepublic, Science United and GRCPool account managers.

This definitely needs to be taken a look at! Bam should not port x86 jobs to managers running on incompatible hardware or software.
Any problems you have with BAM! you best post at their forums so Willy can take a look at it. BAM!, other than using the BOINC name, is in no way or sense affiliated with BOINC.
1897) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96619)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I cancel the comedian does he still need to be paid?
1898) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96595)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our comedian for the evening has arrived. You have a handle, or do you just go by "Dave"?
1899) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96594)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And the temperature was about 8C higher than today meaning no polar ice caps which will be a pretty major problem for coastal communities if it ever gets back up to a global mean temperature of 23C.
The Earth has its own way of regulating things. Be it via melting the ice caps, throwing a killer virus at us, devastating earth quakes, volcanic eruptions and mud slides, tsunami's, etc. Man trying to will Earth into doing what he wants is laughable at best. Therefore Man is trying to will his fellow man into doing what he wants and getting his pockets lined with gold in the mean time. Because Man knows he can't will Earth into doing what he wants, but as long as his fellow men don't all know that, he can extort them. Is what our governments are doing to us under the "Climate" header. Pay pay pay pay, because in the end we may have a solution you can believe in. But pay. Make sure you pay.


And the science being right in no way stops governments and others trying to use it to screw money out of us.
Ah you do know how it rolls out there. Phew, you had me worried there for a moment. :)
1900) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96593)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
PCI express risers? This thread hasn't had that as topic since post 100 or so. I don't even know what topic is current, but if any of the moderators want to whip us back on topic - I hope they know what the topic was then. :)
1901) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96589)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is a strictly non-smoking thread. So anything with fire should be done out the door. ;-)

Also, wash your hands any time. Every time you touch something, wash your hands. Every key press, wash your hands. I do not want to put this Cafe in Covid-19 quarantine because someone didn't wash their hands!

And a strict 2 meters between each post. At least.

More nonsense about a flu, people?
1902) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96586)
Posted 10 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And the temperature was about 8C higher than today meaning no polar ice caps which will be a pretty major problem for coastal communities if it ever gets back up to a global mean temperature of 23C.
The Earth has its own way of regulating things. Be it via melting the ice caps, throwing a killer virus at us, devastating earth quakes, volcanic eruptions and mud slides, tsunami's, etc. Man trying to will Earth into doing what he wants is laughable at best. Therefore Man is trying to will his fellow man into doing what he wants and getting his pockets lined with gold in the mean time. Because Man knows he can't will Earth into doing what he wants, but as long as his fellow men don't all know that, he can extort them. Is what our governments are doing to us under the "Climate" header. Pay pay pay pay, because in the end we may have a solution you can believe in. But pay. Make sure you pay.
1903) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 96576)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, that's possible. At the XDA-Developers website you can find a lot of custom ROMs. See https://www.xda-developers.com/what-is-custom-rom-android/ for more information.
1904) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC stopped recognizing GPU (Message 96575)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Considered that perhaps one of the cards is dead, has come loose from its PCIe slot (thus reseat it), or that it's without sufficient power (check your PSU, check cables)?
1905) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 96572)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it's mostly up to the phone manufacturer if they want to release updates or not. Most cheap brands won't ever.
Therefore I said main brands. << Those will get Android 10. Mine luckily not, as I am not interested in it, but I did just the other day get the latest February 2020 update in with CVE fixes. So that'll be set to continue for now.
1906) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 96570)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
What on earth could be the reasoning for this nonsense?
Plenty of zeroday leaks and bugs being found and fixed, which you do want. A lot of these bugs and leaks are being attacked and used by nefarious people. So the updates that come in will be the latest CVE updates, perhaps with a month delay. But it's better than having the bugs still in there like they then are in the older Android versions that no longer get updates and therefore are vulnerable.
1907) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96568)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://twitter.com/RoyalCdnLegion/status/1235645556875309058
A call on social media for 100 cards for Fred Arsenault's 100th Birthday resulted in over 90,000 cards and counting from all over the world! Happy Birthday, Fred! Thank you for your service.
1908) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 96567)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've never tried upgrading the OS of a phone, is there much point?
On the main brands you don't get the choice if you want to upgrade to the newer version or not, it'll come in with a security update and after the reboot you have a new Android version. Before that time you can tell the update to wait, with a maximum of 24 hours, before it will be installed. But update it will.
1909) Message boards : Android : New Version 7.16.5 (Message 96558)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uninstalled it.
Reinstalled it.

Going again the start->cancel->add project route
Chose Androids as project.
Added Androids.
Doing benchmarks.
I am in the Projects tab only. Wait until it's done benchmarking.
After 2 minutes it's done benchmarks
Go to preferences.
Check Advanced.
Uncheck Pause computation when screen is on.
Change additional buffer to 0.1
Set GUI log level to 5

Added the USB charger.
The client and GUI crash.
Restart BOINC.
Client crashes immediately.

Unplugged charger.
Uninstalled BOINC.
Reinstalled BOINC.
Don't add a project.
Preferences.
Advanced options.
Uncheck Pause computation when screen is on.
Plug USB charger in.
Wait for it...
Client will crash.
1910) Message boards : Questions and problems : Highest PPD project on Nvidia GPU outside of Collatz? (Message 96554)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
DirectX 12, 3840 x 2160 (4K) full screen games @60Hz or 1920x1080 @240Hz. Because that's what the GPU is primarily made for, not doing CUDA or OpenCL (1.2)

Try playing Deus Ex Mankind Divided without crashing it due to the memory leak.
1911) Message boards : Android : New Version 7.16.5 (Message 96552)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Started it up.
Added two projects.
Changed the preferences.
And then the client crashed and that's all she does from here on in. Only the GUI runs.

Android 9
Huawei p20 lite
1912) Message boards : Questions and problems : Move jobs from one pc to another possible? (Message 96547)
Posted 9 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And the server knows to which computer it sent the task.
Which is why you move the whole data directory with everything in it. That includes the files that hold the deviceID.
1913) Message boards : GPUs : Big ask - auto throttling of CPU tasks when using GPUs? (Message 96535)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice image and that, but it doesn't answer our question, what sets the thread priority? BOINC or the application programmer?
Although considering your RT application there, I'd bend to the latter.
1914) Message boards : Questions and problems : Move jobs from one pc to another possible? (Message 96531)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can move it to another PC, as long as that PC has the same operating system and as long as the PC you move it from doesn't work on the same tasks. That answers your second question, no you cannot have two of your computers run the same work and have them validate each other. Well, not unless you run your own project on just your own computers.

When you move the work, you have to move the whole data directory, including all sub-directories and applications within.
1915) Message boards : GPUs : Big ask - auto throttling of CPU tasks when using GPUs? (Message 96526)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not the first time the code has diverged from the documentation, over time.
Gotta wonder though which one it is now. I'm not going to ask.
1916) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks, Estimates & Deadlines (Message 96525)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Laptop normally runs to 60-70%
CPU time you mean?
Fraction of time BOINC is running 67.38% means the amount of time you actually run BOINC when the computer is on. Be glad with your more than positive value, mine is at Fraction of time BOINC is running 2.51% :)

It affects the amount of work it can fetch mostly, not the time it takes for that work to run. Or the amount of tasks it takes to get to the right guestimation of task length.
1917) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks, Estimates & Deadlines (Message 96521)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That depends wholly on the project and their ability to calculate the initial resource fpops estimate of the task. It helps if the project has just one kind of task with the same rsc_fpops_est, but it gets difficult when this value differs greatly from task to task. I'm not sure if there is a set number of tasks for this? But I could be mistaken.
1918) Message boards : GPUs : Big ask - auto throttling of CPU tasks when using GPUs? (Message 96520)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's done when the BOINC client is starting the science app, as part of its management role.
It's done when you compile the program using the BOINC API:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BasicApi, here you set if the app is single- or multi-threaded, which priority it runs at, whether it checkpoints, whether it uses a wrapper, etc.
1919) Message boards : GPUs : Big ask - auto throttling of CPU tasks when using GPUs? (Message 96509)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But BOINC doesn't set run priority of applications, as it doesn't run any work. BOINC is just the managing software. It's the project's science applications that do the work and it's the project that sets the run priority of the applications when they compile said applications. BOINC documentation does advise on what to set it to but it's still up to the project to follow that advice.
1920) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC in Windows 10 (Message 96502)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It solved my problem!
23/02/2020 02:21:12 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Closing connection 1
23/02/2020 02:21:12 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS alert, Client hello (1):
23/02/2020 02:21:13 | | [http] HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates
23/02/2020 02:21:34 | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
23/02/2020 02:21:34 | | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): https://www.google.com/
These TLS certificate problems are not fixed by switching from a 64bit client to a 32bit client on a low power CPU.

23/02/2020 02:21:04 | | Processor: 12 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5930K CPU @ 3.50GHz [Family 6 Model 63 Stepping 2]
The OP is also not using a low power CPU.
1921) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96495)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which is easy, just add a machine and it will get at least 5 times the amount of work that it asks for.
1922) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96487)
Posted 7 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Come on, think about the nightmares and life long psychological help you give the other people at the pub if you do that. Nothing said about the EMTs. 😬🥺
1923) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96477)
Posted 6 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
But the UK is 1/3rd wind power now. Where is all my electricity money going?
If it's anything to go by, the same as in The Netherlands: subsidies. Windmills turn on subsidies. They generate electricity but never enough to power the whole country. They also won't generate electricity when there's not enough wind (under force 3) or too much wind (above force 7, some even get shut at 6). Solar power doesn't bring up enough for half the year, during the winter, because the sun isn't strong enough to power the solenoids. If there is sun, because any cloud cover and you can kiss the solar goodbye. So even solar runs mostly on subsidies. And subsidies are paid for by you, via direct or indirect taxes.

The only people making money on wind and solar are the people receiving the subsidies. The whole climate hoax is one big scam.
1924) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96476)
Posted 6 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhile, https://inciteinc.com/ is a nice web site. What Jord, are you posting spam now? No... but if you can find the hidden trailer, you know why I posted that. :)
1925) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Two small translation errors for German (Message 96468)
Posted 6 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.transifex.com/boinc/boinc/
1926) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Two small translation errors for German (Message 96462)
Posted 6 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Translations are done by volunteers. People like you and me. You can make these changes yourself. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/TranslateIntro for how.
1927) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96449)
Posted 5 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Going on vacation again, just ordered my holiday home. I'll be out of your hair from the 6th till the 16th of May. Going to sniff some nice clean Ardennes air. That's in Belgium for the uninitiated.
1928) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96440)
Posted 5 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can renane the thread to The Seti Cafe is Sleeping, ir The Seti Cafe is Hibernating
Typing on a phone, welcome to gobbledegook language!
1929) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96435)
Posted 5 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can renane the thread to The Seti Cafe is Sleeping, ir The Seti Cafe is Hibernating
1930) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96432)
Posted 5 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why would I need to lock it? We can always wait for the 90 days no post auto lock.
1931) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to get closest deadlines computed first? (Message 96431)
Posted 5 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You were answering to a spammer
1932) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96408)
Posted 4 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or a liar.
Please tone it down.

No messages intended to annoy or antagonize other people, or to hijack a thread.
No messages that are deliberately hostile, threatening, or insulting.

Discussion is fine, but do it in a civil way.
1933) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96402)
Posted 4 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now there's an idea I hadn't even thought of yet, the day after the 31st of March is April 1st... April Fool's Day. Could Seti be twisting our knickers? ;-)
1934) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC in Windows 10 (Message 96397)
Posted 4 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please stop half reading posts and then just injecting your erroneous opinion. The error this poster has has nothing to do with the client crashing on libeay32.dll like all the low power CPUs do, so switching to a 32bit client doesn't help here.
1935) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96373)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doesn't it still take some 700 years or so before that radiation is here by the time we see it explode?
1936) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.14.3 released for testing for Macintosh (Catalina support) (Message 96348)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
For crashes, I think it's worthy to know what kind of crashes. Any error messages?
1937) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96336)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now I know why Seti stops, it's just in time to shut everything down before the 4.1KM asteroid hits: https://twitter.com/Daily_Express/status/1234629562765660161
1938) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC in Windows 10 (Message 96334)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you test BOINC 7.16.5, please?

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.5_windows_x86_64.exe
1939) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96329)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not enough to turn alcoholic, I hope? You just need a hobby. How about rock climbing?
1940) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error connecting to localhost (Message 96321)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Altijd weer die Nederlanders. ;-)
(Volg Richard's vraag eerst maar, je hebt vast een CPU die weinig energie gebruikt en daar heeft de huidige BOINC problemen mee en crasht de client op. Een fix is in de maak, maar laat nog op zich wachten. Er is een alternatief)
1941) Message boards : BOINC client : purpose of XMLs: global_prefs and global_prefs_override on "leave apps in memory" (Message 96320)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
For both the local preferences (_override) and web preferences Activity needs to be set to "Run based on preferences", as "Run always" will ignore preferences.
The purpose of the leave_apps_in_memory switch is exactly that, to leave applications in main memory when BOINC suspends computations.
When BOINC exits, of course any application still running or suspended will exit as well.

The last project that you set the web preferences at will show as the place those preferences were set at, even if they're not used due to use of local preferences.
Preferences are read via scheduler contact and distributed in that way to all other projects using that same location or venue.
1942) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96318)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another whole bottle of single malt? My my.
1943) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.14 Change Log (Message 96310)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.14.3 available for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements where applicable
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.14.2->7.14.3

    * Compatibility with Mac OS X 10.15 Catalina
    * Additional security review by Apple required by OS 10.15 for installation
    * Installer
    * Screensaver



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.14.3
- boinc_7.14.3_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.14.3_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.14.3_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

1944) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.14.3 released for testing for Macintosh (Catalina support) (Message 96309)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
An update of the 7.14 release is available for testing.
This should fix screensaver and graphics problems on Mac OS X 10.15 (Catalina).
Please report test results on the BOINC Alpha site:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/


Change Log and download options at this thread
1945) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96308)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ask the replacement project to do a weekly multi-hour maintenance schedule because you don't know any better? 😁
1946) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96294)
Posted 3 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or ET isn't ET but ancient Earthlings, from civilizations from before us, who moved out into the stars and revisit us now and then. (Ancient Aliens is fun!)
1947) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96289)
Posted 2 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Took 'em long enough (to post the news). Glad that cat's out of the bag.
1948) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 96281)
Posted 2 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for radiating heat, I heard once that someone had a very good result by simply using a central heating radiator and pumping the water through that. For those of you in more modern societies than the UK who have proper heat pumps, this is what I mean by a central heating radiator. Yes, we still use them in the UK to heat our homes, by actually pumping water through the house from a central boiler (furnace). In the 21st century!
Linus of LTT tried that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WLIm4XLPAE. The outcome wasn't pretty. Perhaps if you try this, don't use a used radiator!
1949) Message boards : Projects : Seti@Home in hibernation (Message 96265)
Posted 2 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
On March 31, the volunteer computing part of SETI@home will stop distributing work and will go into hibernation.

We're doing this for two reasons:

1) Scientifically, we're at the point of diminishing returns; basically, we've analyzed all the data we need for now.

2) It's a lot of work for us to manage the distributed processing of data. We need to focus on completing the back-end analysis of the results we already have, and writing this up in a scientific journal paper.

However, SETI@home is not disappearing. The web site and the message boards will continue to operate. We hope that other UC Berkeley astronomers will find uses for the huge computing capabilities of SETI@home for SETI or related areas like cosmology and pulsar research. If this happens, SETI@home will start distributing work again. We'll keep you posted about this.

If you're currently running SETI@home on your computer, we encourage you to attach to other BOINC-based projects as well. Or use Science United and sign up to do astronomy. You can stay attached to SETI@home, of course, but you won't get any jobs until we find new applications.

We're extremely grateful to all of our volunteers for supporting us in many ways during the past 20 years. Without you there would be no SETI@home. We're excited to finish up our original science project, and we look forward to what comes next.
1950) Message boards : Questions and problems : "BOINC system tray for Windows" has 100+ iterations in WIN10 Task Manager (Message 96241)
Posted 1 Mar 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
WIN 10 version 19569 (and the previous 3 updates)
What you're experiencing might well be a bug in your Windows 10 insider program version.

As soon as I load BOINC Manager after a restart, the listings load. They don't do anything but just use 0.1 MB of memory. In Task Manager I could "end task" one by one (no, I don't do it) or in Task Manager Details "end process tree" of boinctray.exe one-by-one.

The Manager now requires me to load LocalHost as the computer, having lost the auto login.
boinctray.exe is the BOINC idle detection program used by the BOINC client, not BOINC Manager. BOINC Manager has its own internal code that checks for computer idleness, it uses no external program for that.

Normally boinctray.exe starts once at Windows startup, and otherwise when not found to be running, at client startup.
It has no effect on BOINC Manager's ability to communicate with the client. If you have lost auto-login of BOINC Manager on the client, try to remove gui_rpc_auth.cfg from the data directory and restart both the client and the manager. Make sure that both boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe are allowed to communicate with each other through the firewall on TCP 31416. And for that matter, things like boinctray.exe and boinc.scr use that same port.
1951) Message boards : BOINC client : Any chance that BOINC will be updated to run on Mac OS X 15 Catalina (Message 96186)
Posted 29 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
No
1952) Message boards : Questions and problems : Control project where "web-based preferences" come from? (Message 96173)
Posted 28 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as all computers use the same location/venue (default, home, work, school), it's just a matter of updating one project's web preferences and allowing all computers to contact that project, asking for the web preferences. Computers that use the local preferences will get the web preferences in (as they always do with every scheduler contact), it just won't show in BOINC Manager.

Computing web preferences are global. This means that for that location/venue you only have to set them at one project and via contact with BOINC will these preferences spread over all projects allowed to be contacted, for that location/venue.
1953) Message boards : The Lounge : Seti makes it to flagship quiz on Radio4 (Message 96143)
Posted 27 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
From 4m 30 sec onwards.
1954) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 96139)
Posted 27 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Clive Cussler, 88, American novelist. My favorite writer.
1955) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stalled downloads (Message 96136)
Posted 26 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can say ass. That's a donkey. Just don't say arse :-)
But you can only say it once in this thread. Both.
Our rules give more leeway than those at project forums, even though the ones on the left are the same all over. I'm not enforcing them so strictly, unless you're a spammer. I can't speak for my moderators though, leave it up to them and their judgment to decide what to do.
Like someone guiding us back to the topic at hand, but maybe that the topic changed. :)
1956) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stalled downloads (Message 96107)
Posted 26 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry for the off-topic post, but there's no other place to answer this.

But don't worry about it. it's only fatal to some people.
The flu is deadlier. If at least the death numbers are given correctly and governments aren't putting out fake numbers to make it look less problematic.

So far, the new coronavirus, dubbed COVID-19, has led to more than 75,000 illnesses and 2,000 deaths, primarily in mainland China. But that's nothing compared with the flu, also called influenza. In the U.S. alone, the flu has already caused an estimated 26 million illnesses, 250,000 hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

...

Typical flu symptoms include fever, cough, sore throat, muscle aches, headaches, runny or stuffy nose, fatigue and, sometimes, vomiting and diarrhea, according to the CDC. Flu symptoms often come on suddenly. Most people who get the flu will recover in less than two weeks. But in some people, the flu causes complications, including pneumonia. So far this flu season, about 1% of people in the United States have developed symptoms severe enough to be hospitalized, which is similar to the rate last season, according to data from the CDC.

With COVID-19, doctors are still trying to understand the full picture of disease symptoms and severity. In a small study of about 100 people with the virus, published Jan. 30 in the journal The Lancet, the most common symptoms were fever, cough and shortness of breath. Only about 5% of patients in that study reported sore throat and runny nose, and only 1-2% reported diarrhea, nausea and vomiting.
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
1957) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96104)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thought this was a non-smoking thread?
1958) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 96093)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps someone should donate them a new storage server on which they can store a new results database and leave the old one alone, so it doesn't have to be backed up every week. Linus just built himself two Storinators with 1PB per, so if he can do it, why can't Seti (we)?
1959) Message boards : GPUs : "Application has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware" in Windows 10 notifications. (Message 96091)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like to start from a DVD.
Trouble is, at least with desktop PCs that you're hard pressed at finding a DVD or Blu-Ray player on board these days, what with all the large RGB fans and radiators at the front. There's no room anymore in most cases to put anything protruding from the front, so then you end up attaching an external player via USB, since these cases have an abundance of those ports on board. And then it's just as easy to use a thumb drive instead of a (scratched!) DVD.

(My Fractal Design case has 2x USB-A 2.0, 2x USB-A 3.2 Gen 1 (5 Gbps), 1x USB-C 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) on the front and the motherboard has a further 1x USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-A port (10 Gb/s), 1x USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-C Port (10 Gb/s) and 6 USB 3.1 Gen1 at the back. It's USB heaven!)
1960) Message boards : GPUs : "Application has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware" in Windows 10 notifications. (Message 96085)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least the Media Creation Tool fits on a 4GB USB thumb drive. All you need is a USB 2.0 slot, or faster (preferably faster). And the one you download is always the latest. (well, bar the updates that have come out since)

You asked how can a fresh install of Windows 10 be corrupt? I wonder that myself, but it happened to me on one of my machines. That also had a one week version of Win10 Pro on it, but DISM and SFC /scannow found faults to be fixed. And since that fix that system is stable, where it wasn't before.
1961) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96072)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not as exciting, but at least no one was too badly hurt.

No earthlings at least. 🤣🤣
1962) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96060)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know. I can take a computer apart blindfolded and rebuild it into a working thing of beauty. I wouldn't know where the computer in my Suzi lives... so let alone what colour brake fluid needs to be. Looking it up though it's clear, blue, green, pale yellow or crimson red, depending on the brand. I guess the garage meant really dark red bordering to brown or worse.
1963) Message boards : GPUs : "Application has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware" in Windows 10 notifications. (Message 96059)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a fresh install with the latest drivers and Boinc and updates.
Which tells people trying to help exactly nothing.
Is it an Nvidia GPU, or AMD, or Intel? Driver version?

The AMD drivers are very unstable since they changed over to the newer Adrenalin 2020 version. I have crashes in the driver and videocard when it's just sitting on my desktop and I am not using the system. Type reliability into Windows Search to bring up your reliability history chart to see what is all crashing. It may show hardware errors, but those can just be drivers crashing, nothing to do with hardware.

It can also be that your Windows isn't so fresh anymore. In that case see https://www.windowscentral.com/how-use-dism-command-line-utility-repair-windows-10-image and follow the Repairing issues with DISM using RestoreHealth option and How to run SFC to repair problems on Windows 10 options to fix possible problems with your WIndows 10. One of my systems which had a new Windows 10 Pro installation on it got fixed that way. Just telling that even completely new Win10 installations don't mean your system is stable.
1964) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96053)
Posted 25 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Brought my car to the garage for service. They just called.

Brake discs front are bad.
Brake pads and shoes as well.
Brake fluid is red.
And the battery is below the minimum power level.
All need to be replaced.
€800,-

Ka-ching.
😲😱
1965) Message boards : Questions and problems : 200 tasks downloaded for a project with a resource share of 0? (Message 96047)
Posted 24 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's what I started off with.
I don't agree this is actually what happens all the time,
1966) Message boards : Questions and problems : 200 tasks downloaded for a project with a resource share of 0? (Message 96037)
Posted 24 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So for every website change, you have to make TWO project updates. The first transfers the change in settings from the website to your computer: the second acts on the new settings.
I don't agree this is actually what happens all the time, because the server is intelligent enough to know you already have different preferences than what your client is asking for. So if you change for instance that from now on only GPU work can be had, and your client requests work for CPU and GPU, the server will a) send the new GPU only preferences, and b) only give work for the GPU (if available). It may not work this way if you change from asking CPU work to asking GPU work, because then the client asks the first time work for the resource that's set to off on the server.
1967) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account Management (BAM, Science United) (Message 96032)
Posted 24 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
So I tried Science United (because they over a secure HTTPS connection). After creating an account and connect my BOINC client to it two new projects (einstein & milkyway) appeared in my BOINC client. Why?
Feels like google, apple, microsoft, etc. I have never asked for that projects. I checked if I have an account there but I don't. So why does my machine crunch for that projects without an account?

SU runs work in science areas as depicted on https://scienceunited.org/su_prefs.php and with anonymous accounts. You can read more about it at https://scienceunited.org/su_about.php. The account you make at the SU website is for their forums, not for doing work.

But like Richard said, why use an account manager at all? Why not just add those projects you want via the Add project... wizard?
1968) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96028)
Posted 24 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nah, all things considered I am feeling fine. Glad the ugly truth was finally outed. All the doubts and worries have fallen off of me in one fell swoop. I slept very well the past night, as well as I did towards the falling out.

Just remember, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is!
1969) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 96018)
Posted 23 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah but then all the lies found their way to me. She's been playing me for over a year. Married.
Enough said, it's completely over between her and me.
1970) Message boards : BOINC client : Any chance that BOINC will be updated to run on Mac OS X 15 Catalina (Message 96012)
Posted 23 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The next version of BOINC will be compatible with OS X Catalina.
1971) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stalled downloads (Message 96011)
Posted 23 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like it caused by too many messages in event log due to very high verbose level of <http_debug> and very high BOINC network activity on machine.
It's not the total amount of lines that causes this but generating over 1,000 lines per second as the polling between the client and the manager happens once every second, which is 1,000 milliseconds, which is those 1,000 lines. Don't set multiple debug flags at the same time (like http_debug and work_fetch_debug for instance) as then you run into this problem.
1972) Message boards : Questions and problems : False positive network errors detection due to goggle CAPTCHA on reference site (Message 96010)
Posted 23 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC thinks that there is no internet connection so delay all project requests(Backing off). But it all were false positives - connection is OK, i monitor it independently and know there were no connection issues at all that times.
You may think there was an internet connection, but that doesn't mean BOINC can connect to project servers correctly. For a next round, please enable http_debug in the Advanced view Event Log Options menu (View, Advanced view, Options, Event Log options), communicate with one or more projects and put the output of that in a post.

google banned BOINC clients as a "bot activity":
We don't connect to Google, we just send some GET headers that way and see if we get an answer. If we do, the internet connection is OK, and if we don't it's not OK. Referencing PDW's log here which shows that sequence in full working order:
21/02/2020 16:55:56 |  | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): http://www.google.com/
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Connected to www.google.com (216.58.213.4) port 80 (#1468)
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: GET / HTTP/1.1
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Host: www.google.com
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.6.22)
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept: */*
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Language: en_GB
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:55:49 GMT
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Expires: -1
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Cache-Control: private, max-age=0
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: P3P: CP="This is not a P3P policy! See g.co/p3phelp for more info."
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Encoding: gzip
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Server: gws
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Length: 5106
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-XSS-Protection: 0
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Set-Cookie: 1P_JAR=2020-02-21-16; expires=Sun, 22-Mar-2020 16:55:49 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.com; Secure
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Set-Cookie: NID=198=BHNpVhOCa9Oq0BwuIKnxllyHPuRBBaYRDMelLxu_ynTNnogxMSIA0LH6fa695AjZGpiy-7bqsm4ILSieq_-yMuKIxHkJb_aVOitNPX8tdDsMAqrEWBLfg3W1JXKHNP4oogFsieHfAjohGn8G-OpN2_raEDupsv5_Dn9-9J-ONFY; expires=Sat, 22-Aug-2020 16:55:49 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.com; HttpOnly
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server:
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | [http] [ID#0] Info:  Connection #1468 to host www.google.com left intact
21/02/2020 16:55:57 |  | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.


Since in that same thread you say you have set http_debug already, why not post the full outcome?
1973) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC in Windows 10 (Message 96001)
Posted 22 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Key insert:
22/02/2020 06:20:00 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
and
22/02/2020 06:20:00 | | [http] HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates

The main reason for this error to occur is when you are using client SSL and you try to make a request of secured HTTPS source, for which you have to share an SSL/TLS Certificate for the verification of your identity. During this time, if the root certificate doesn’t work properly, then it may cause this error. (source)

First off exit BOINC fully, File->Exit->Acknowledge stop running tasks->OK
Next download https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bagder/ca-bundle/master/ca-bundle.crt and save it your desktop. (Right-clicking the link and doing save as.. helps here)
Then copy it from that place to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and when asked by UAC that that's okay, acknowledge, overwriting the file that's there.

Next restart BOINC and try again. Post the event log if possible.
1974) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC in Windows 10 (Message 95986)
Posted 21 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And re-enable your firewall. If you use Kaspersky, Windows' firewall is disabled already.

You can add boinc.exe to the firewall to use internet tcp 80 and 443
boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe need to communicate via localhost on tcp 31416

What Dave means with 'what appears there' is what it then says in the event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) after enabling that debug flag.
1975) Message boards : BOINC Manager : File-Select Computer (Message 95953)
Posted 19 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager when it first starts (in the day) just reads the information from the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file which either holds a password or not. It doesn't hold the machine's name.
I suspect that the machine's DNS name was added to the remote_hosts.cfg file, and that's why you get to see the name for the remote computer populated in the Select Computer drop down.
1976) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc and GeForce Now? (Message 95949)
Posted 19 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The local requirements are for streaming the game content only. All the rendering is done on the Nvidia servers by a load of Nvidia GPUs.
Which immediately poses the problem of remote desktop connectivity through which the BOINC client won't be able to utilize those GPUs in the normal sense (of detecting the GPU and using it) due to driver conflicts. Same goes for Stadia, xCloud, PS Now, Jump, Vortex and Shadow. You can't compare these streaming services to for instance renting a cloud server at Google and uploading software to that to run natively on that server. These servers just stream content to you.
1977) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 95948)
Posted 19 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
We've been talking all morning, despite her being at work. I'm forgiven. And have a girlfriend. Oh my. ;-)
1978) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 95927)
Posted 18 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The cats of America are under siege!

Long gone are the good old days when a cat’s biggest worries were mean dogs or a bath. Modern cats must confront satanists, online predators, the possibility of needing to survive in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, and countless other threats to their nine lives.

For over four decades, the American Association of Patriots have stood at the vanguard of our country's defense by helping to prepare our nation's cat owners for the difficult conversations they dread having with their pets. Written in a simple Q&A format, How to Talk to Your Cat About Gun Safety answers crucial questions such as, “What is the right age to talk to my cat about the proper use of firearms?” and “What are the benefits of my cat living a lifestyle of abstinence?” and especially “Why does my cat need to use the internet? Can’t he just play with yarn like cats used to do?”

Our country—and our cats—stand at a precipice. It will take courage, and it will take hard work, but armed with the knowledge within these pages, we can make our cats—and America—great again!
How to Talk to Your Cat About Gun Safety: And Abstinence, Drugs, Satanism, and Other Dangers That Threaten Their Nine Lives
1979) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 95894)
Posted 18 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
I finally had her and then I blew it. She was finally admitting she was my girlfriend and then I had to tell her the other thing. She hasn't spoken to me since. I'm about sure I am an ex already. I'm so dumb.

Edit: I just met her and we're fine.
1980) Message boards : BOINC Manager : File-Select Computer (Message 95884)
Posted 17 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
To see what happens on remote machines, you need a little more work: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely
Your present problem can probably be fixed by exiting & restarting the clients and managers.
1981) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Version 7.8.2 (Message 95826)
Posted 13 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try using https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed
1982) Message boards : News : 2020 BOINC Workshop (Message 95807)
Posted 11 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's in my neck of the woods again, or sort of almost, so I will probably be available for one or two days.
1983) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 95743)
Posted 7 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorta kinda, not a complete outage, but worth a mention anyway:

Sarah Sparrow, CPDN guru wrote:
Dear all,

I wanted to let you know that we have been advised that the Korean server (upload7) will be shut down over this weekend, due to power supply maintenance and construction, scheduled by University staff there. It may be worth posting something to the boards to this affect as there are some open batches going there. These are batches 849, 850. 851 (which are nearly complete, and I may just close) and batch 866 which is around 45% complete.

Best wishes,
Sarah
1984) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes on Windows 10 (Message 95740)
Posted 7 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
We'd rather not have people use it due to the (AMD) GPU detection bug, so please don't link to it either.
1985) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes on Windows 10 (Message 95737)
Posted 7 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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It's a beta and it was retracted due to big bugs.
1986) Message boards : Questions and problems : Attention BOINC Admin (Message 95708)
Posted 5 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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Know that just because someone has a BOINC icon on their desktop that it doesn't mean they're into nefarious things against BOINC. Because then Steam, Trillian, Chrome, TeamViewer and all the other programs at his desktop may be in trouble as well. Maybe this guy just runs BOINC.
1987) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 95660)
Posted 4 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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1988) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Uninstalled but its still there (Message 95637)
Posted 3 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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That's because boinctray.exe still runs. Stop it in Task Manager, then try again.
boinctray.exe is the idle detection program.
1989) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Uninstalled but its still there (Message 95635)
Posted 3 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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But why do so difficult?

You wanted BOINC uninstalled, didn't you?
In that case:
- Stop boinctray.exe in Task Manager->Processes
- Go to C:\Program Files and delete the BOINC directory.
- Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and delete the boincmgr entry
- Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and delete the boinctray entry
- Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\ and delete the Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley entry
- Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ and delete the Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley entry

That's it, no more BOINC on that server. At least, none that's installed.
If there's still a copy around, you'll have to search for it. But the above steps will stop BOINC from running at start up.
1990) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Uninstalled but its still there (Message 95629)
Posted 3 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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Can't find anywhere in the Client settings to stop it from auto start at boot either.
BOINC Manager (the GUI), View, Advanced view, Options, Other options..., Uncheck Run Manager at login?, Uncheck Run the client?, Save.

But that doesn't get rid of the installation.
1991) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Uninstalled but its still there (Message 95628)
Posted 3 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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Start regedit.
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup
Make note of what's in INSTALLDIR

Then use File Explorer to go to that directory. Is it populated?
If it isn't then this is the directory you uninstalled BOINC from. But it may be that you copied it elsewhere (for safe keeping).

To check what's auto starting:
- See if there's anything about BOINC in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run (should have boincmgr.exe /a /s)
- See if there's anything about BOINC in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run (should have boinctray.exe)
- See if there's anything in C:\Users\Your Username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup (should not have anything)

Like Dave said, the uninstaller doesn't clean up after itself, it will leave remnants of BOINC on your system. But it will remove the BOINC program files, so BOINC should not be able to start up, unless it's installed twice. I wonder if it's possible to install a 32bit and 64bit version, because these install to different directories.

So also check:
- C:\Program Files\BOINC\
- C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\
1992) Message boards : Questions and problems : Preventing BOINC from using GPU (Message 95622)
Posted 3 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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Go to the project's website, your account, project preferences, edit them for the correct venue (default, work, home, school) and uncheck "Use Intel GPU?", save changes to the website. The next time BOINC contacts that project it will get those preferences in.

You will have to do this at all projects you don't want to use the Intel GPU.
1993) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver not working. (Message 95618)
Posted 2 Feb 2020 by Profile Jord
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To get the BOINC screen saver working you require a couple of things:

- video card drivers installed that have OpenGL included; you can get this by installing drivers from the GPU manufacturer. If you allow Windows to install drivers, these generally lack components like OpenGL (for graphics) and OpenCL (for calculations). (*)
- you have to have set BOINC as the screen saver in Windows. Type screen saver into Search and click "Change screen saver". Make sure it's set to BOINC;
- the project has to have a science application with graphics application. At Seti@Home for instance these are only sent in combination with the CPU app, the GPU apps don't have one.
-- But if the project doesn't have a screen saver graphics application, BOINC will show its own screen saver. I just tested this, it works for me.

(*) For manufacturer drivers, go to:
- AMD
- Nvidia
- Intel
When installing these, choose the Clean Install option some of the installers give. Always reboot afterwards, even if it doesn't say you need to.
1994) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects whose tasks take less time to execute (Message 95600)
Posted 31 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Go to Rosetta Project Preferences and adjust the wanted run time to 1 hour.
But as I said, it doesn't have to mean that the first couple of tasks do run for just one hour.

Don't you have a GPU in that system? Or do you use the built in Intel HD Graphics 4600? These don't have OpenCL support, so cannot be used. But if the system has an open PCIe slot and you're willing to spend a little on a cheap GPU, your output can increase enormously while, if you then choose the project right, your GPU can rip through multiple tasks in one hour.
1995) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects whose tasks take less time to execute (Message 95598)
Posted 31 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Which is about as useful an answer as saying "I've got a car with 4 wheels". An Intel i5 comes in many flavours, with all different speeds.

At Rosetta@Home you can set the amount of time a task can take, with a minimum of 1 hour. http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
But do know, something that's to be held into account for all projects, it takes time for BOINC to guess correctly how much time a task takes on your computer. The estimated time that the project puts on its tasks is just that, an estimated time on a basic computer. Yours may be faster, slower, in between, and so even for a project where you can set the task length to be an hour, it doesn't mean your computer will do the calculations within that hour.
1996) Message boards : Questions and problems : Never use CPU for tasks (Message 95553)
Posted 28 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Use of the CPU or GPU is a project based preference, so you will find this on the Amicable Numbers website, your account, project preferences. Change them and uncheck Use CPU and if it applies "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" and save changes to the website. The next time BOINC contacts the project it will get those preferences in.
1997) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Android cannot add science united as an account manager (Message 95544)
Posted 28 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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You can do that yourself, you know? Is easier than using a middle man who cannot answer questions asked.
Register at Github, then post your issue in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues. That's your direct line to the gods.
1998) Message boards : The Lounge : Help Desk Expert? (Message 95525)
Posted 25 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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I giveth the title to those I deem worthy of it, if you help enough around the Q&P forum or the other forums outside of The Lounge.
I also taketh away the title from those who no longer help out, have taken a hiatus, or those who don't want it. Usually these approach me via PM, but since that's apparently a big no no, consider your titles revoked through answering in this thread. It's an honorary title and if you don't want it, soit, poof, it's gone.
1999) Message boards : Projects : Can we Cure Corona (Message 95523)
Posted 25 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Isn't that akin to asking if it's possible to cure the common cold or influenza? They're viruses, there are no antibiotics against viruses. There are no medicines against viruses. It's possible to get a vaccine against many viral diseases, but as soon as it changes, the vaccine doesn't help anymore either. Just look at that flu-jab you can get, it holds antibodies of several flu strains they think are going to hit this year, but you just need one strain that isn't in there, or that's mutated and the flu-jab doesn't help anymore.
2000) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer doesn't like BOINC (Message 95515)
Posted 24 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Try downloading and installing https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.16.4_windows_x86_64.exe as it has the fixed library file in it and should now work.
Mind again to change the installation directory from C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC to C:\Program Files\BOINC as the installer does not do this automatically.
2001) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading tasks (Message 95508)
Posted 24 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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He already said, Seti. Seti has had several server and database issues these past weeks, that's all been in their News (and in the Notifications in BOINC Manager).

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=908
2002) Message boards : Questions and problems : New spammer attacks (Message 95432)
Posted 22 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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That people and moderators know. When you see someone post a question and it looks legit, be vigilant anyway and throw the first sentence into Google or another search engine. Chances are high that it's posted at Reddit and copied 1 on 1 to here. The spammer will then wait one or two days before quoting his own post, adding forum text coloured spam into his quoted post and answering "problem solved" or some such crap.

I'm not saying every post at Reddit posted here is spam, maybe not if they post it there and here at the same time and with the same username, but still, allow enough alarm bells. And wishful thinking.

Your friendly moderator.
2003) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer doesn't like BOINC (Message 95348)
Posted 20 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Just uninstall present BOINC. Then go to this page https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php and download version 7.14.2 for Windows 32bit and install that. You may have to change the path for the programs directory to be C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC as it'll be at C:\Program Files\BOINC\ due to the earlier 64bit installation. But other than that...

PS: BOINC hasn't had a new version since September of last year. And that version is a beta, which can have bugs, but certainly won't fix the problem you're having as it doesn't have a fix for it. We're waiting to see if the next beta (7.16.4) will have that fix.
2004) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client installer Fails (Message 95339)
Posted 20 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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And when you reinstall after that, just use your own administrator account, don't do 'run as administrator' as this is not necessary and may add extra trouble for permission.
2005) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installing BOINC - "Removing folders" - Warning 2343.Specified path is empty (Message 95265)
Posted 18 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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I chose Run as Administrator when opening the BOINC installer.
That is not what I meant. The account you use day to day to do things with in Windows, is that an administrator account? You have to install BOINC with that.

But, looking around on the error more specifically, it looks like you have conflicts in your registry.
So please type regedit in Search and hit Enter, acknowledge the warning.

Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley and delete this key.
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley and delete this key.

Then try installing BOINC again.
2006) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installing BOINC - "Removing folders" - Warning 2343.Specified path is empty (Message 95233)
Posted 17 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Try using https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed first.

Make sure you're using an administrator account to install BOINC.

And if you're using a third party anti virus, try disabling that before installing BOINC or whitelist BOINC its installer.
2007) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 95224)
Posted 17 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Nvidia GPUs use PCIE 3.0, so they won't benefit from it; and even the fastest AMD GPUs aren't fast enough to be bottlenecked by PCIE 3.0 speeds; they should see less than a percent or two performance increase on PCIE 4.0 over 3.0 (if they truly support it).
You have a link to an article following up on your claim? Or is this something you think, without substantial proof either side?
Considering that you can get the full speed of a 2080Ti running Boinc or Folding out of a PCIE 3.0 4x slot (possibly even a 2x slot), PCIE 4.0 makes no difference on AMD GPUs.
Again, link to an article or review?

By the way, lane-speed of PCI-Express is measured in xN, not Nx. The small x stands for the amount of lanes, x1, x4, x8, x16, x32.
As for articles, I did find https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-pci-express-scaling, which tested an RTX 2080 Ti with a lot of games, against all available PCIe slots. Seeing how these beasts are made for gaming in the first place, not GPGPU calculations. And then gaming at very high resolutions. 8K TVs and monitors are already available. Insanely expensive maybe, but available. So while none of the GPUs may overwhelm a 360Hz monitor running at 1920x1080, that's going to be different running at 7680 × 4320 pixels.

Also remember that these 'standards' are brought out with the thought that 'in the future' a manufacturer will bring something on the market that uses part of or the full bandwidth of the PCIe slots. Plus Nvidia uses it in their inter-card communication bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVLink, where two RTX or Quadro cards will run in tandem for speeds up to 25GB/s which make PCie 4.0 needed (max x16 speed 31.51GB/s).
2008) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 95193)
Posted 16 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Since there aren't too many PCIE 4.0 devices out...
But for all AMD GPUs available now, RX 5500, 5600 and 5700 series. Intel added support to its Optane SSDs. Asrock and Asus have launched own versions of M.2 cards in which you can slot up to 4 M.2 SSDs. There's enough PCIe 4.0 around, if only you care to look.
2009) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why doesn't Boinc schedule earlier deadlines first? (Message 95166)
Posted 15 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Jord, is that a red eye from drink or anger?
That's me warning everyone that I am keeping an eye on things.

But now no more, behave all. 😴
2010) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why doesn't Boinc schedule earlier deadlines first? (Message 95155)
Posted 15 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
👁️
2011) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 95143)
Posted 15 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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That may require some nifty work with - probably not - a hacksaw, or a fine cutting tool like a Dremel. By opening the end of the PCIe x1 slot, the x16 riser could be physically inserted into the x1 slot.
Before the OP goes this route, let me point out that BOINC Dev does not condone this sort of DIY, and any damages done to hardware are at your own risk, etc. Or blame Richard. I know where he lives. ;-)
2012) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc client on Docker and Raspberry Pi fails after startup (Message 95129)
Posted 15 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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I must say I have zero knowledge of Docker, so you may have to figure out for yourself how to get this done.

-e BOINC_GUI_RPC_PASSWORD="xyz" \
-e BOINC_CMD_LINE_OPTIONS="--allow_remote_gui_rpc" \

14-Jan-2020 19:29:35 [---] GUI RPC bind to port 31416 failed: 98
You are failing communication because of no permission.
Most of the boinccmd commands are of the form <code>boinccmd [--host hostname] [--passwd passwd] command</code>, so why not try to add at least the password into the commands you give.
Like <code>-e BOINC_CMD_LINE_OPTIONS="--passwd 'password'" \ "--allow_remote_gui_rpc" \</code>
2013) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading tasks (Message 95121)
Posted 15 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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"My" asking for work, (on cpdn), is as posted down at the start of this thread.
Yes, but not with debug flags on. So could you please do another round with only http_debug, and one separate with only work_fetch_debug on, asking CPDN for work? Or is that such a chore that we all have to forever do with the original messages which tell us absolutely nothing?
2014) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading tasks (Message 95103)
Posted 15 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Well, LHC might be because it needs VirtualBox installed. Hence why I asked for a log snippet of asking CPDN or another project for work.

Or install VBox if you want work from LHC.
2015) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computers signed up to project via Science United (Message 95044)
Posted 14 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Point at it and laugh out loud? That may make it mad. 😂
2016) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC on new PC says "GPU Missing waiting to run" (Message 95007)
Posted 14 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Since you are running Windows 10 HOME you will have to turn off the auto-driver update before removing the existing drivers
???
One thing I do know about Windows 10 is that the Home version doesn't allow turning off of driver updates, or any updates whatsoever.
But then, OPs version is 13/01/2020 14:44:47 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 10: Core x64 Edition so it doesn't matter, OP can if they want to follow the advice on how to do so I have given.

Edit: I always forget that the expensive sounding name Core is just a Home version with even less functionality.
2017) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC on new PC says "GPU Missing waiting to run" (Message 95002)
Posted 14 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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PC was built be a reputable independent IT shop, so I'd like to think they installed the GFX drivers from NVIDIA.
The trouble is, if one doesn't tell Windows to stop automatically installing newer (and in its opinion better) drivers, then just one Windows Update can already have installed newer drivers for you. So turn off automatic driver updates, see https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10 on how to do so (using the group policy editor!)
2018) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computers signed up to project via Science United (Message 95000)
Posted 14 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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What I didn't see on their fora was much in the way of answers.
I always forget I have an account there and am a moderator apparently. But then I tend to ignore those forums as well, as the one time I thought I made an informed answer, David hid my post. Is when I immediately stopped moderating & coming there, as you can see from all the spammers on those forums.

If he doesn't care, why should I?
2019) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 94992)
Posted 14 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, a riser allows you to move the GPU into a different orientation than the original one on the motherboard. For instance, some cases allow the GPU to stand upright with its edge connector pointing down. This can't work as the PCIe slot on the motherboard is vertically orientated, due to the motherboard being bolted to the case. A riser allows you to put the GPU in with the edge connector down. A riser can also allow you to move the GPU completely out of the case, if you want to.

I don't have any personal experience with riser cables, so can't help you there.

What I was talking about was the monitor output. A Graphics Processor Unit will have one or more monitor outputs, either HDMI, DisplayPort, DIVX or even still VGA. A unit for mining only may not have these on board as they're not needed, miners don't use the graphics output on their GPUs for anything, they just mine with their GPUs.
2020) Message boards : Questions and problems : Move data dir on Ubuntu ? (Message 94988)
Posted 14 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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BOINC has the option to assign a data directory of your own choosing.
To do so, start the client with <code>boinc --dir path-to-home-directory</code>, e.g. boinc --dir ./home/boinc

I'm about sure this was an option in cc_config.xml as well, but I can't find it there any longer.

Of course make sure that there is a directory there where you point. Copy everything over from the original directory.
2021) Message boards : GPUs : PCI express risers to use multiple GPUs on one motherboard - not detecting card? (Message 94986)
Posted 14 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
A mining GPU doesn't necessarily have a monitor output. It's just a coprocessor on a card.
2022) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading tasks (Message 94926)
Posted 13 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still, missing the cipher being mentioned, something I would expect for https connections.

Les can you show a connection to cpdn?
2023) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading tasks (Message 94922)
Posted 13 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The things I see are:
13-Jan-2020 19:36:10 [---] [http] [ID#0] Info: ALPN, server did not agree to a protocol
But according to a Google search most experts think this can be ignored.
However, I don't see it in my communications. Instead for me it's [http] [ID#0] Info: ALPN, offering http/1.1 followed by a cipher. I'm missing the cipher in your communications, so I suspect that is your problem.

I think you'll have to try getting a newer BOINC version, with a more up to date ca-bundle.crt file. Can you try any of Gianfranco's? https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc
2024) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC on new PC says "GPU Missing waiting to run" (Message 94920)
Posted 13 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you install the GPU drivers or did you allow Windows to do so?
Try installing drivers from the manufacturer's website, https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us and do heed the warning over at Seti about the problem with drivers 436.xx and higher: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84694 and so that you install drivers from before that time if you want to use the GPU at that project.

Also, you didn't by chance install BOINC as a service? It'll show "Running as a daemon" in the event log then, prior to where you started your log above. If you did, you'll have to uninstall it, reinstall it, then in the third screen of the installer click Advanced and uncheck "Service install" before continuing installation. The service install makes it that BOINC runs in a limited account, which cannot read the drivers installed by your account, thus it runs with the default Windows ones which lack exotics like CUDA and OpenCL.
2025) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading tasks (Message 94919)
Posted 13 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Okay, so work_fetch shows as normal, you can turn it off. Let's try turning on http_debug and doing an update?
2026) Message boards : Questions and problems : What does "run only the selected applications" mean? (Message 94911)
Posted 13 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Notices is something else, and cannot be opted out of (as far as I know). Whenever a project writes to their News forum this news gets automatically sent out to BOINC clients out there (with scheduler updates) which show it in the Notices tab in BOINC Manager. The project does need to have the News forum option enabled for this to work.
2027) Message boards : Questions and problems : What does "run only the selected applications" mean? (Message 94908)
Posted 13 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Actually, I still haven't found it. There is no "newsletter" option. "Is it OK for [project] and your team (if any) to email you?" isn't really the same thing.
Depends. How do you want a project to bring you their newsletter? That's usually done via email, or at least way back when BOINC was set up, that was the means to go by. Before Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Whatsapp, Telegram, WeChat, TikTok, QZone, Tumblr, Yelp, Youtube, Foursquare, LinkedIn, Vimeo, Skype, Pinterest, Weibo, Snapchat, VK, Taringa, RenRen, Badoo, Myspace, Tagged, and well all the others I missed took on the option to reach you. Phew.
2028) Message boards : Questions and problems : What does "run only the selected applications" mean? (Message 94906)
Posted 13 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
We'd better stop here, or Jord will get cross.
I don't care. Each to their own, as long as you stay civil and not have a civil war about it on the forums.

edit: it was painful to watch however that it needed several people to point out where the newsletter part of BOINC was. How long have y'all been here?
2029) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Android: nothing to do. (Message 94886)
Posted 12 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
And on top of what Les said, with each Android version things seem to change. Making it that projects science apps that worked perfectly for one or more Android versions all of a sudden no longer work. Or require that the bitness of the Android OS is the same as the CPU. Or need to be anything lower than Android 10, as although BOINC will run on that none of the project science apps that are still out there will. And as long as the projects don't release new apps for it, that won't be fixed.
2030) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is anyone using windows 98 for a project? (Message 94885)
Posted 12 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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I was one of the people helping you in your thread over at Seti, and while I enjoy your enthusiasm and applaud you trying to keep old hardware alive, I wonder if it's worth it. A bit of an Android smart phone is more powerful than any of the old hardware from yesteryear, especially if that hardware can only run Windows 98 (SE). Isn't there an option for you to install Windows XP on that system?

Just for info, what kind of CPU does it have? Memory amount? That sort of thing.
Because if it's anything like these defaults you cannot use it for any BOINC project, for reasons of missing enough memory alone. Most projects, if not all, require at least 256MB memory but like it if there's lots more. 32MB is not enough.
2031) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading tasks (Message 94845)
Posted 11 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
Run a round with work_fetch_debug and post the output?
2032) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why doesn't Boinc schedule earlier deadlines first? (Message 94809)
Posted 10 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The actual range is 0 to 1000.
According to the source code the max is 9999999, which can be set. Just tested that on Seti.
2033) Message boards : GPUs : Which projects use double precision on GPUs? (Message 94775)
Posted 8 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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As far as I know, the only project requiring double precision floating point is Milkyway. All of the others run single precision float only.
2034) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why doesn't Boinc schedule earlier deadlines first? (Message 94769)
Posted 8 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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If you want to see how BOINC does its internal calculations on this, run a couple of minutes with cpu_sched_debug on, then disable that and run a couple of minutes with rr_simulation. Mind that both of these will output a lot of data depending on your task queue size, and about your task queue. If you need help understanding what it all means, I'm sure someone here (Richard H.) can give an explanation of what you see.
2035) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why doesn't Boinc schedule earlier deadlines first? (Message 94730)
Posted 7 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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It barely takes a few minutes to an hour to finish the last 2%?
If it does that, the other task in in danger of going over its deadline, is why it'll run earlier. Up to such a point that BOINC is reasonably sure it'll be able to finish that task before its deadline. Then it will return to the task leaving 2% as that it knows it can run before the deadline.
2036) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Android cannot add science united as an account manager (Message 94708)
Posted 5 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
To post images on this site you need to store them externally with an image extension (.png, .bmp, .jpg, .bmp) and link to them using the IMG tags.

I sent your queries to the developer but if he chooses not to answer, I can't help out any further.
2037) Message boards : Questions and problems : Data breach notification on Boinc.berkley.edu? (Message 94707)
Posted 5 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Because they have a database with 4 billion combinations in them to check against. Which is nothing, when compared to the other freely available checkup https://haveibeenpwned.com/
2038) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc software mismatched versions (Message 94689)
Posted 4 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC screen saver requires the X-server. But aside from that it also needs graphics apps to work with the science apps from the project. The project should provide both.

Which I know some do for Windows. But don't know if any does that for Linux. I think you'll have to build the graphics apps yourself with the project's open source code, where available.
2039) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc software mismatched versions (Message 94683)
Posted 3 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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There also hasn't been a change to the code of the screen saver in absolute forever, I am not even sure it'll work under most Linux repo's.

So it doesn't really matter if the boincscr binary is built against today's date or that of several years ago.

BTW, 7.6 33 was from June 6, 2016
2040) Message boards : Android : Hello. I want to send email to Boinc admin (Message 94653)
Posted 2 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectPeople
2041) Message boards : Projects : Access Android desktop remotely? (Message 94642)
Posted 1 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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You can use add-ons such as BOINCTasks Mobile (requires Windows) and AndroBOINC
2042) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 94635)
Posted 1 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts.firewall&hl=en
Requires Android 4.0 and up
Else check through https://techviral.net/firewall-apps-for-android/
2043) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 94633)
Posted 1 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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That's why I said, use a firewall app. For instance, Netguard is ad-free and doesn't require you to root your phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard&hl=en, although it may require Android 5.1 and later. Ad-blockers usually only work on browsers, not as stand-alone apps.
2044) Message boards : Android : Android version won't join on older phone? (Message 94631)
Posted 1 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Under Android 9 you can set which apps are allowed to use Wifi or Data. Of course default everything is on. A lot of apps on my phone I disallowed having WiFi or Data access for, which killed their ads. Doesn't work on all apps, some use a different technique. For older Android versions you can use firewall apps, such as Netguard - which has the added upside that it doesn't need root either.
2045) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 94630)
Posted 1 Jan 2020 by Profile Jord
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Even going back to 7.4.53 can then give problems - as one of my devices has all of a sudden.
Explanation:
When returning to 7.4.53 from 7.16.3 on my Huawei P20 Lite, the client experienced sudden shutdowns & restarts, calculations pausing when doing something on the phone, calculations pausing when BOINC itself was the only thing running,
refusing to autostart on charger connection, refusing to stop running when the charger was removed.

And that's with the preferences for Autostart checked, Pause computation when screen is on unchecked, Min battery level 20%, Pause CPU when usage above 100% (effectively disabling this setting). Whenever I do something on my phone now when it's charging, BOINC will suspend calculations.

Which may be fine, but upon stopping what I do, it will exit & restart the client, causing tasks to exit memory & restart from a previous checkpoint. It never did this before I installed 7.16.3, I've got 7.4.53 running on 3 other devices, tried on all of them to do some browsing, use Notepad, or watch Youtube and there none of them suspended.

90% of the time I plug in the charger, BOINC doesn't autostart. Although this may be something about the charger output. When I use a slow charger (0.5A), it will autostart, but when I plug in the fast charger (2A) it won't always reliably.
100% of the time though when I unplug the charger, BOINC will stay in the foreground memory, albeit suspended. Its icon will also stay visible in the top bar. And eventually Android will alert me that it's still using power. All that on 7.4.53, after having had 7./16.3 installed on that phone.
2046) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 94613)
Posted 31 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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7.4.53 is working fine for me, got a 1,300+ RAC at Seti with four devices: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=41965

Do know that 7.16.3 is an alpha and a bad one, it has a lot of bugs. It won't run on many devices. Even going back to 7.4.53 can then give problems - as one of my devices has all of a sudden.

But being able to crunch or not during the night is mostly down to preferences and some patience.
2047) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Phantom" GPU devices showing up in 7.16.3 and 441.66 again (Message 94598)
Posted 30 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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The Revo showed a mix of 339 and 441 but the clean install should have worked.
If an uninstaller finds multiple drivers, that's probably why BOINC finds these GPUs as well. Trouble with all drivers is that names change and their folders may change as well. In so much that the uninstaller of the new installer doesn't know per se where it has to clean all the old stuff of the previous installation when doing a clean install. Has happened quite some times. So much so even that at times people were forced to do a clean installation of Windows to get rid of previous driver remnants that didn't want to move.
2048) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task that pass deadline and is still running (Message 94590)
Posted 29 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Should BOINc add a check to stop those task and run a new task?
BOINC has a check to see if a task is within 24 hours of its deadline or thereafter and if it hasn't started yet by that time and the time to finish is way larger than the time left over for the deadline to pass, it will abort the task. But as said, this only happens on tasks that haven't started yet.

tasks that have started already or are still running can be delivered after their deadline. In most cases you will still get credit for it, which you won't if the task is aborted. And in all cases it's the science first that counts.

Most projects have a 2 or 3 task quorum, for which all tasks have to be returned by that deadline before the validator runs and checks that all tasks have equal outcomes. If your task isn't in the that deadline, a new task will be sent out and as long as you return yours before the extra task, chances are good you'll get credited.

But if your computer has so much trouble returning tasks before their deadline, the first thing I would do is reduce the task queue to minuscule. Something that BOINC will eventually start doing by itself when this happens a lot, but that you can do yourself as well. As it's no use having 100s of tasks in queue when your computer only returns several during a time span.
2049) Message boards : Questions and problems : problem setting up anonymous platform - need help (Message 94578)
Posted 28 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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"setathome_enhanced" is not really "app name". When actually coding up the app_info file one
would use "setiathome_v8" if you wanted to acquire v8 data
It's an example, and at the time of writing that piece of documentation it was correct, the Seti app was called seti_enhanced

"setiathome_6.6_windows_intelx86.exe" is the name of the executable that is to be used to process the data.
It may or may not have the same name as an existing program at SETI.

Is the above analysis correct?
Yes.

Here is the problem at Milkyway:

My app_info.xml file is recognized as an anonymous platform by milkyway
Milkyway@Home	12/27/2019 11:01:18 PM	Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform	


Does not look like they support anonymous platform or I am doing something wrong.
There's no such thing as the project not supporting anonymous platform, it's a BOINC thing. And BOINC does support it.
I have not yet figured out what goes where "setiathome_v8" is.
That's an app name for Seti@Home, not Milkyway. Why don't you do us a favor and post the contents of your app_info.xml file?
2050) Message boards : Questions and problems : Data breach notification on Boinc.berkley.edu? (Message 94571)
Posted 28 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Firstly, it does not matter on which website you see this new warning. The new message is a warning about the username/email and password combination that you just entered. That combination has been compromised in a breach of a website/app. What that actually means is you need to change your password on all websites/apps where you are using the same username/email and password combination.
https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/23534509?hl=en

Iow, it's the email address/password combination you used that has been compromised, somewhere, not necessarily here.
2051) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 94564)
Posted 27 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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How are you guys getting this latest from the Google Play store? The latest that I see is version 7.4.53 from 2016.
Sign up as a beta tester and you'll get 7.16.3
It's not a release version, and considering the amount of bugs it has I hope they don't make it one.

I'm hoping that an issue I have with the android client is resolved.. I plug the phone in on airplane mode at night, and when the battery reaches its charge, the client won't start and begin work. I really don't want to have to micromanage the thing...
When you put the phone in Airplane mode it disables WiFi and data. The client requires either data or WiFi for communications. Without either I'm about sure it won't work. And since the 7.4.53 client doesn't have a cache preference setting (like 7.16 does), you can't pre-cache work either for the science apps to work on. Only one task per CPU (core).
2052) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moo!Wrapper and yoyo@home on android results in computation error (Message 94562)
Posted 27 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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I've never seen any project refer to these forums for their troubleshooting, and we even tell you (first rule at the index) that we don't so much help on troubleshooting with or discussion of projects here.

Yoyo@Home has its forums here: https://www.rechenkraft.net/forum/index.php
Moo has its forums here: https://moowrap.net/forum_index.php

Whether or not their respective admin are still active at their forums, I don't know.
2053) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moo!Wrapper and yoyo@home on android results in computation error (Message 94512)
Posted 24 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Calculation errors are best reported at the specific project forums. BOINC doesn't do calculations, it just manages projects and work queues.
2054) Message boards : Questions and problems : A few question on BOINC running on Mac OS (Message 94507)
Posted 24 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Search through the issues and if nothing similar found, add a new ticket: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
Github requires separate registration.
2055) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Android cannot add science united as an account manager (Message 94506)
Posted 24 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Forwarded to its developer.
2056) Message boards : Questions and problems : HEX code for the blue and yellow BOINC brand colors (Message 94484)
Posted 23 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Email Jacob Klein, he made the logo's. I'll PM you his email address.
2057) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94420)
Posted 20 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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The only other thing I can find is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cuda
And other than that, do make sure that you start the BOINC client with the path to the install directory, e.g. /usr/bin/boinc
2058) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox 6.0 Install Causing Cosmology@Home Job to become Unmanageable (Message 94418)
Posted 20 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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You best ask at the Cosmo forums (http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_index.php) what their required/requested version of VirtualBox is, as not all VBox versions work with all BOINC projects.
2059) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94417)
Posted 20 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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[coproc] NVIDIA drivers present but no GPUs found
means that the GPU driver has no CUDA capability.
So, back to (re)installing the Nvidia drivers. Follow https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2015/fedora-nvidia-guide/ for that.
2060) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94414)
Posted 20 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Well, the message has changed. Now Linux gurus can bite into that one:

Fri 20 Dec 2019 08:54:36 AM CET | | [coproc] NVIDIA drivers present but no GPUs found

I'll check later in the source code what the conditions for that are, but have an emergency situation here first.
2061) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94405)
Posted 19 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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It's probably it. So try
dnf remove pocl.x86_64
2062) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94403)
Posted 19 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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I wonder if the pocl OpenCL isn't interfering here. Can you try to uninstall it? https://installlion.com/kali/kali/main/p/pocl-opencl-icd/uninstall/index.html

(I ask that as OpenCL is normally the last thing we detect in BOINC as we know it interferes with detection of other direct computing classes)
2063) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94398)
Posted 19 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Please add the following cc_config.xml file to your BOINC data directory /var/lib/boinc

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<coproc_debug>1</coproc_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
</options>
</cc_config>
If the file exists, add the line in the correct place, or change its 0 to 1.

After that exit & restart the BOINC client.
Then post the output of the event log again.
2064) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94394)
Posted 19 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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libcuda.so only checks for which CUDA version you have, it doesn't check which Nvidia GPU you have, which is a first requirement done by libnvidia-ml.so.1
2065) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs found fedora 31 workstation (Message 94392)
Posted 19 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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So again, where boinc is looking for? Because clearly it's the problem. And it's the presence of libcuda that tells boinc if there is a GPU usable or not, nothing else.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/client/gpu_nvidia.cpp teaches us that BOINC checks for libnvidia-ml.so.1 and libcuda.so using the dlopen function which will check /lib and /usr/lib automatically.
2066) Message boards : Questions and problems : RIP Android users? (Message 94375)
Posted 18 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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0 WU
And I'm sorry, wasn't ignoring you, but I don't know the answer to your problem. Don't stare yourself blind on the titles I have, they both mean just that I can do a little more to battle the spammers on these forums than e.g. Richard can. It doesn't mean I am anything official in the development of BOINC.
2067) Message boards : Questions and problems : RIP Android users? (Message 94374)
Posted 18 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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In the end it doesn't matter as they all err anyway.

As for pie, you wonder why you're getting the non-position independent executable over the position independent executable? I don't know. Perhaps that your Android internal kernel number confuses BOINC/Seti server. I've had it a couple of times off late that applications I have had installed for absolute ages all of a sudden tell me I need Android 5 or higher to run their app. I have Android 9, but kernel 4.9.148

I see yours is 4.4.111, so perhaps that that confuses the Seti scheduler. I don't know, you'd have to ask Eric on that.
2068) Message boards : Questions and problems : RIP Android users? (Message 94372)
Posted 18 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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You can check what bitness your Android has by installing AnTuTu Benchmark -> My Device -> Android
2069) Message boards : Questions and problems : RIP Android users? (Message 94369)
Posted 18 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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ARMv7 apps are 32bit, ARMv8 are 64bit.

BOINC on Android sends you (for Seti at least) 32bit apps if your OS is 32bit. It doesn't care that the CPU is 64bit.
2070) Message boards : Questions and problems : RIP Android users? (Message 94359)
Posted 18 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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SETI's applications haven't kept pace with new developments in the Android landscape, and all the tasks I've been sent have failed.
You probably have a 32bit Android version running on a 64bit CPU. As with all Unix/Linux derivatives this requires that 32bit compatibility libraries are installed, something that you cannot do on Android (unless you root the device, and install a custom ROM).

Eric has been promising that he'd look into this for the past 3 years, I'm not keeping my hopes up.
You can check what bitness your Android has by installing AnTuTu Benchmarking -> My Device -> Android
2071) Message boards : Questions and problems : RIP Android users? (Message 94358)
Posted 18 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Moreover, the problem with Universe@Home is still here: if i try to log-in, it just says wrong password. If i set "forgotten password" from PC on the official website, it says "the account dont exist". If i try to register (still from pc browser), it says "the account exist". So, RIP Universe@Home, i suppose they have log-in problems....i don't know. Impossible to register, impossible to connect, from smartphone or PC, from boinc app or from web browser.

That's what other people report as well, thus a project problem, not BOINC.
2072) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not sending work: Last request too recent - what does this mean? (Message 94336)
Posted 17 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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It's coming of age, let's give it a sweet 16 party and show it its Ford F250.
2073) Message boards : Questions and problems : How much does RAM speed play a role? (Message 94322)
Posted 17 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Are you sure about that? Does it really matter if your memory speed is at 2133 MHz vs 2600 MHz vs 3200 MHz vs 3600 MHz for CPDN? I suppose it doesn't really matter much between those, other than their CAS latency? Lower latency RAM will swap data in and out faster, but slow latency on fast MHZ RAM will load slower than fast latency on low MHz RAM.
2074) Message boards : BOINC client : gpu ONLY tasks not executing on Boinc (Message 94201)
Posted 11 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Usage of hardware options is a project preference, so go to the Project Preferences page and uncheck the use of the CPU. Any CPU work still in cache will have to run or be aborted though.

The "Use at most N% of the CPUs" is for how many cores you want to use, not for disabling the use of the CPU.
So, for example at Seti@Home: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project, on the right venue, edit preferences and uncheck "Use CPU". Then save preferences.
2075) Message boards : Questions and problems : project list doesn't populate & URL entry does not work for addition of 1st project new machine (Message 94192)
Posted 11 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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IMHO, the question is why it fails on low powered CPUs? Or is it Windows Core that it can't work with?
But I don't think we're going to get an easy fix, unless we manage to get a developer one of these systems it fails on, so he can test what makes it go boom.
2076) Message boards : Questions and problems : project list doesn't populate & URL entry does not work for addition of 1st project new machine (Message 94190)
Posted 11 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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The problem never seemed to be with contacting a project or the client didn't get that far, it was the contact with the BOINC server that crashed the client.
2077) Message boards : Questions and problems : project list doesn't populate & URL entry does not work for addition of 1st project new machine (Message 94187)
Posted 11 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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it sure would be nice to know why the 64bit machine can't run the 64bit version of Boinc.
As far as we can deduct it's to do with your CPU. The problem happens when the BOINC client contacts the BOINC server for the first time to check for an update. This contact happens via SSL, and something in the OpenSSL libraries balks at making this contact on a low powered CPU.

I see that I wrote in ticket #2470 that there's another work around for the 64bit client, it's to make a cc_config.xml with the following lines:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<no_info_fetch>1</no_info_fetch>
</options>
</cc_config>
Or adapt this into an existing cc_config.xml file.
This file, when it exists, lives in the BOINC Data directory. It doesn't come standard with BOINC, one has to make it by hand, or use the Event Log options menu once to make it automatically. When making it by hand, use Notepad, and save the file in ANSI format as an All Files (*.*) file format. Or make sure that when you save it that it doesn't get the .txt extension as then it won't work.

Afterwards restart BOINC.
2078) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia GPU keeps getting stuck at 0.595% ot 0.610% of Progress done. (Message 94179)
Posted 11 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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BOINC doesn't use the GPU, it only detects it and its capabilities so that project applications can use it. But this is a problem with the drivers, just as AMD has at the moment problems with its drivers on RX 5x00 series GPUs. It's something the GPU manufacturers have to fix, not BOINC, not the projects.
2079) Message boards : Questions and problems : project list doesn't populate & URL entry does not work for addition of 1st project new machine (Message 94150)
Posted 10 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Quote fest.
Anyway, I'll go with Richard: Uninstall your present BOINC, then download and install this version: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.14.2_windows_intelx86.exe
This is a 32bit version of BOINC. Don't worry, it'll run all the 64bit applications on your 64bit CPU as well.

Edit: Mind to point out the BOINC Programs directory correctly, in the third screen of the installer click Advanced, then change the C:\Program Files\BOINC\ path to C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ and continue the installation.

Edit: lol, thanks for the proof read Richard
2080) Message boards : Questions and problems : project list doesn't populate & URL entry does not work for addition of 1st project new machine (Message 94143)
Posted 10 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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A delusion starts like any other idea, as an egg. Identical on the outside, perfectly formed. From the shell, you'd never know anything was wrong.
The shell is usually where I go to find out what is wrong! ;)
Ah but that's where you'd go wrong in the case of a delusion. :)
2081) Message boards : Questions and problems : project list doesn't populate & URL entry does not work for addition of 1st project new machine (Message 94141)
Posted 10 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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Open BOINC Manager (it doesn't matter in this if the client runs or not), View, Advanced view, Options, Other options, General, if it isn't checked then check "Run the client?", Save. File->Exit->acknowledge to exit. Next restart BOINC Manager, does that start the client and keep it running?
Else open Windows Event Viewer (Start->Run, type eventvwr.exe and tap Enter, then wait for it to populate), in the Windows Logs, Application check through the Application Errors if there's any mention of what happens to boinc.exe, if you find something post that here.

In BOINC Data directory, stdoutdae.txt, anything of note in there?
Same directory, in stdoutdae.txt, any mention there what happens?

How did you install BOINC? With your user account, or did you use "Run as administrator" on the installer? The latter is not advised, as this will cause all kinds of permission problems. An administrator account is needed for the installation of BOINC, but not the super user administrator. And did you check "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC" in the installer?
2082) Message boards : Android : Android/ARM efficiencies (RasPi/Cellphone)vs CPU/GPU (Message 94098)
Posted 8 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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I've also plugged in an old (2017) Chinese phone, a Doogee Mix, using a MediaTek Helio P25 MT6757T. It uses an octacore CPU (running 8 tasks simultaneously in Boinc)
You aren't running 8 tasks simultaneously. You're running 4 tasks, alternating with another 4 tasks because BOINC can only use the slowest 4 CPU cores on an 8 core CPU. The fastest cores are only used by Android itself, because of the power-hungry usage they require, not by any of the programs/apps running on Android. So you're loading 2 tasks per CPU core, slowing calculations down enormously.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE for more information on these cores.
BOINC development is looking if they can use the higher cores as well, but all BOINC development is slow.
2083) Message boards : Android : Android/ARM efficiencies (RasPi/Cellphone)vs CPU/GPU (Message 94072)
Posted 7 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Too bad Android phones don't support GPU crunching
Misinformation. The phones do. The GPUs do. BOINC does. It's just that no project at the moment of writing has a GPU app for Android. Doesn't mean it's not supported. Go ask your favorite project if they can make an OpenCL GPU application.

Sat Dec 07 12:51:39 GMT+01:00 2019||OpenCL: Mali-T830 0: Mali-T830 (driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 v1.r28p0-01rel0.4d1a5d64f7660449be8b4b1d8d26b173, 3732MB, 3732MB available, 0 GFLOPS peak)
2084) Message boards : Android : Android/ARM efficiencies (RasPi/Cellphone)vs CPU/GPU (Message 94048)
Posted 6 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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The 2.5W an ARM device uses is only to top off the battery, once that one is full filled, power usage will go down. Even if the CPU is being used a lot.
Then it'll use up to 5 kW per year. Although those numbers are based on values of years ago, so YMMV.

Things to know:
1. an 8 core CPU consists of 4 Little cores and 4 BIG cores. The 4 BIG cores are used by Android only. BOINC cannot use them. If you set an 8 core CPU to use 8 cores in BOINC you load 2 tasks per Little core, slowing calculations down. Better to set BOINC to use 4 cores only. This best be followed for all 6 (3), 8 (4), 10 (5) etc. cored ARM CPUs.
2. Android 10 is at this moment not supported by the projects science applications. All tasks will err.
3. the GPU in Android devices isn't used at this moment. It is detected, but no project has applications for it, while the developers ponder if it's such a good idea to even consider using it due to the extra heat it'll give.
4. consider heat. Running the Android devices 24/7 will heat up its CPU and battery considerably. This can cause the battery to bloat and potentially explode. Do use active cooling to keep this down. My devices all lie in the path of 120mm/140mm fans spinning at 5V (half speed).
5. Mind that you get 64bit CPUs that run on 64bit Android, or 32bit CPUs that run on 32bit Android. Not 64bit CPUs that run 32bit Android, because those will lack the necessary 32bit compatibility libraries all Unix/Linux/Android OSes require to run 32bit instructions on 64bit CPUs. Tasks run on 64bit CPUs with 32bit Android will fail. To check that your Android is 32bit or 64bit, install an app like [url=]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.antutu.ABenchMark&hl=enAnTuTu Benchmarks[/url] (click My device, at Android it'll say the number plus bitness) or AIDA64 (under Android it shows what kernel version you have, for 64bit that's aarch64).

Is it worth it to run ARM devices over an i5/i7? In my opinion, yes, as for way less power usage per year, three devices run a Seti RAC of ~1,200.
As long as you keep an eye on them - mine regularly lose the wifi connection and need a reboot - plus you keep them cool enough, they'll just run work for projects for a nice addition to your RAC. You may have to spend some extra bucks to keep them cooled, but then they can survive hot summers as well.
2085) Message boards : GPUs : Can't start GPU 0 to compute after cc_config.xml modification (Message 94031)
Posted 5 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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GPU command decisions (detection, which ones to use or to ignore etc.) are done at client start up. If it hasn't happened at client start up, the only reason I can think of is that the client was running all this time - aka it wasn't stopped and restarted.
2086) Message boards : News : BOINC roadmap / wish list (Message 94026)
Posted 5 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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So far as I know, the GPU manufacturers have only supplied software tools which generate apps which operate in 'fire and forget' mode: once a scientific application is launched, it grabs as many resources (shaders) as it can find, and runs them at a speed/power which can only be controlled externally, not by the program itself.
Sapphire has Trixx which allows the user to set a custom fan speed (via a curve) which is used for everything - gaming and BOINC. One can also set several profiles (up to 5) to quickly switch to in case one needs more rigorous cooling.

EVGA has similar software.
MSI has Afterburner which can be used on any GPU whose manufacturer doesn't have its own software.
Radeon Settings (part of the Radeon drivers) have their own custom setup options via RS->Gaming->Global Settings.
2087) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc for Android computation error? (Message 93968)
Posted 1 Dec 2019 by Profile Jord
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https://einsteinathome.org/it-it/host/12789879 shows a host at Einstein running Android 10, doing Arecibo tasks and finishing them without errors (https://einsteinathome.org/host/12789879/tasks/0/0).
2088) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing Preferences Configuration File (Message 93961)
Posted 30 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know there are aftermarket fans for the rpi available, or rhat even a small 80mm fan can do wonders?

Do know rhat the way BOINC throttles is by going full blast then pause computation. At 50% that's 5 seconds full on, 5 seconds pause.

Better is to reduce the core amount used by one, or add cooling.
2089) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing Preferences Configuration File (Message 93958)
Posted 30 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
global_prefs.xml and for local.prefs global_prefs_override.xml
2090) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Raspberry Pi updating. (Message 93895)
Posted 24 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If everything works, why the need to update?
2091) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 93881)
Posted 23 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That beta hasn't run stable enough on any of my devices for me to be able to get anywhere near preferences. It crashes immediately. So I didn't even know they added that.
2092) Message boards : Android : Possible to run on Android GPU? (Message 93878)
Posted 23 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, because none of the projects have a GPU application for Android at this time.
2093) Message boards : GPUs : Some more advanced GPU stuff (Nvidia Powercapping) Linux (Message 93877)
Posted 23 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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<app_config>
   <app>
      <name>Einstein@Home</name>
      <max_concurrent>3</max_concurrent>
      <gpu_versions>
          <gpu_usage>.25</gpu_usage>
      </gpu_versions>
    </app>
    <app_version>
       <ngpus>2</ngpus>
   </app_version>
   <project_max_concurrent>5</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>
Please read the documentation on how to use the app_config.xml file: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Project-level_configuration. The name and app_name are NOT Einstein@Home, but the application name found in the client_state.xml file for those tasks.
2094) Message boards : GPUs : Linux only uses Nvidia GPU, not Intel IGP? (Message 93876)
Posted 23 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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So I edited my apps_config.xml in the Einstein@home folder, as well as the cc_config.xml in the main boinc folder to display:
apps_config.xml
<app_config>
   <app>
      <name>Einstein@Home</name>
      <max_concurrent>2</max_concurrent>
      <gpu_versions>
          <gpu_usage>.25</gpu_usage>
      </gpu_versions>
    </app>
    <app_version>
       <app_name>Einstein@Home</app_name>
       <ngpus>2</ngpus>
   </app_version>
   <project_max_concurrent>3</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>
Please read the documentation on how to use the app_config.xml file: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Project-level_configuration. The name and app_name are NOT Einstein@Home, but the application name found in the client_state.xml file for those tasks.
cc_config.xml
<cc_config>
  <log_flags>
    <task>1</task>
    <file_xfer>1</file_xfer>
    <sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
  </log_flags>
  <options>
  <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
  </options>
</cc_config>

use_all_gpus is only needed when you have two GPUs of the same brand but different models. It's not needed when you have two different brand GPUs, those will be used automatically.
2095) Message boards : GPUs : Two projects on one GPU? (Message 93875)
Posted 23 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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I've seen you make statements towards the load of your GPU now a couple of times. You cannot compare the load of the CPU with that of the GPU, other than that both use a science application that runs on the CPU. For calculations done on the GPU, data from a task needs to be translated into kernels that the GPU can run. That's done by the CPU. A lot of data in the tasks is too difficult to translate into kernels and is therefore run on the CPU, not the GPU.
2096) Message boards : GPUs : Possible to run on Android GPU? (Message 93863)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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No, because none of the projects have a GPU application for Android at this time.
2097) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 93853)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Where do you set how much work to pick up? I ask because the Android version of BOINC has no such option in its preferences, while the preferences from the website don't work on Android BOINC. It only uses the local preferences.

And do know that the Android devices with 8 cores and more have what are called Little and BIG cores. The Little cores are used all the low latency programs and BOINC, while the BIG cores are used by Android itself only. If you set BOINC to use 8 cores on an 8 core device, it'll load two tasks on all four of the Little cores. It won't use the BIG cores.

Best here to run BOINC on half the cores only.
2098) Message boards : GPUs : Two projects on one GPU? (Message 93852)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Well most programs don't need text files editing. The GUI is set up so you can't kill the program entirely just by playing with options. You get a range for each value that makes sense etc.
You get a range for the debug flags as well, either 1 for on, or 0 for off.
It's entirely possible to run the client with all the debug flags on. The client will run fine. Just don't expect the Manager to be able to keep up with remote procedure calls, as these go by something of 1,500-2,000 per second - while normal operations have a maximum of 1,000 per second.

Most programs don't download separate programs that run intricate calculations of data.
The trouble with automating or GUI-fying app_config.xml is that you still need information read from the client_state.xml file -> the application name. While a GUI may have an easier time reading the application name from client_state.xml, you'd have to add enough intelligence that it grabs the correct app name for the correct project, or shows all app names for all projects. And then you can still make screw ups.

As an aside I see that ProDigit filled in Einstein@Home as the application name, which won't work either. These things are for really Advanced users only, and then preferably those that know where to find the documentation by heart. And who know that they best make backups, disable their internet connection, exit the client between all editing and tinkering etc.

BOINC shouldn't be easy for everyone. That's why it has the Simple GUI first, Advanced View second.
But if you think that's outdated, no one will keep you from adding code that does exactly what you want. If you expect someone else to do it though, do know he's still quite busy.
2099) Message boards : GPUs : Two projects on one GPU? (Message 93846)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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And if you do screw up, you can just go back and click "set defaults for this page" or something.
Not in the case of the debug flags, because your BOINC Manager won't connect to the client anymore due to the absolute huge amount of RPC traffic it will spit out. Here your only options are to manually edit cc_config.xml or remove it. The options menu won't warn you about this either.

In the case of the app_info.xml file (which is for using the anonymous platform and thus never available via the GUI and it requires a client restart) and app_config.xml file it's probably best to do it by hand. Or have a separate GUI for either, but best not have it included in the main program or BOINC Manager.
2100) Message boards : GPUs : Two projects on one GPU? (Message 93843)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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And since the settings are then GUI based, it's impossible to put in a stupid value.
Try enabling all debug flags in the Event Log Options window and you'll find that having such things available through the GUI isn't always a good thing. I won't tell you what'll happen... Just try it. :-)
2101) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 93839)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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... and somehow or other it has installed itself on 2 of my machines without me going on to Play Store!! .
That's called auto-update applications, a function in Android's Play Store. I have it set off, so I can choose which applications to update and when. But otherwise you will be getting the newest applications automatically, and since you're a beta tester at BOINC, that includes the beta BOINC.
2102) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc for Android computation error? (Message 93838)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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I wonder if it's not something as simple as port forwarding, or something as simple as a changed memory address space..
Something Boinc could possibly correct for each project, to maintain compatibility.. (that is, if it's the same issue on each project).
BOINC is just a managing agent, it doesn't do anything else with regards to the science applications. It just downloads them from the project and starts them when found there is work for the application in queue. BOINC doesn't manipulate firewalls, port numbers, memory addresses, black magic or anything else.

Before Android 10, both BOINC and the science applications worked - albeit on most projects since Android 7 only with 32bit CPUs on a 32bit Android OS and 64bit CPUs on a 64bit Android OS, not with a 64bit CPU and 32bit Android OS.
Since Android 10 BOINC still works - it doesn't immediately crash and exit - but the science applications err on all tasks. Meaning that something in the way the science applications address memory, work space or anything else, fundamentally changed between Android versions. That's either for the projects to solve with new applications, or perhaps that Google has to fix it as there may be a bug in Android 10. Anyone taken it up with Google already?
2103) Message boards : GPUs : Two projects on one GPU? (Message 93828)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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At Einstein you can change how many tasks you want to run on the GPU via the project preferences. Change it there.
2104) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc for Android computation error? (Message 93825)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Ask them. BOINC has no control over the projects or what they do with their applications.

When project tasks err constantly report that to the projects as they'll have to find out what changed and fix their apps.

And yes all projects because none have released apps for Android 10.
2105) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc for Android computation error? (Message 93810)
Posted 19 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Well, as I see it, BOINC itself runs fine on Android 10. It's just that the science applications from the projects no longer work correctly. They're what doing the calculations and thus the calculation errors. Compiling BOINC for Android versions higher than say 8 shouldn't matter in this. That only needs to matter if BOINC itself crashes upon starting on Android 10, and it doesn't. It runs fine.
2106) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't run (Message 93782)
Posted 18 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Boinc version 7.14.2 Recommended version 64 bit didn't work for me from download. It wouldn't connect to localhost and unless run as administrator didn't display the various projects under 'add project'
The thing with Windows is, when you install a 64bit program to the 32bit Program Files directory (C:\Program Files (x86)\) Windows may refuse to run it because it's a security risk. This can happen when you first had a 32bit version installed, then tried to install a 64bit version. The BOINC installer will look where the previous version was installed and install to that directory. The BOINC installer is dumb, it doesn't know what the contents of its package are. So here a little user interactivity is needed to point it to the correct directory (C:\Program Files\).

Mind that Windows doesn't mind running 32bit programs from the 64bit programs directory, just not the other way around. And it will exhibit exactly the problems you had of not connecting, when it's installed that way.
2107) Message boards : BOINC client : found a "fix" for an issue in github but.. (Message 93775)
Posted 18 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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And where possible use strikeout to show that text is no longer current
2108) Message boards : Questions and problems : windows build boinc error (Message 93752)
Posted 17 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Please use the documentation: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient
2109) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU usage low, can't find app_config.xml (Message 93729)
Posted 15 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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app_config.xml (including the underscore '_') isn't a file made by BOINC, you have to make it yourself. So if it isn't in the project's directory, you make it. Ask at the project of choice what's to be put in it. Then follow the guidelines at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Project-level_configuration
2110) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I enable Intel GPU + Nvidia GPU? (Message 93720)
Posted 15 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Drivers, which for Linux may be a problem for an Intel GPU. Not only does it need to be detected, it also needs to be able to do OpenCL calculations which under Windows is a doozy, but under Linux isn't. That said, you sure you want to use the Intel GPU? It's costing more in electricity and heat than it's worth crunching with.

Edit: check https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/opencl-drivers and https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Beignet/
2111) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 93689)
Posted 13 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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CPDN is back.

Andy Bowery, CPDN head honcho wrote:
Hi All,

This work is now complete and all main services of the project have now been restored and are working correctly.

Best regards,

Andy
2112) Message boards : GPUs : Two projects on one GPU? (Message 93688)
Posted 13 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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A GPU doesn't have separate circuitry for processing single or double precision
Single precision (32bit) and double precision (64bit) are types of floating point calculations. Double precision calculations can store a wider range of values with more precision. Both are calculated using the same floating point unit on the GPU, there's no data being moved around. Science applications are either single precision (most projects) or double precision. They're never both at the same time.
2113) Message boards : Questions and problems : MacPro 5.1 Fehler "DumpGPURestart" (Message 93621)
Posted 10 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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BOINC is only the managing program. Each project has its own website. You can get to those websites either by clicking on their links from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php, or within BOINC Manager, via the Project web pages button / Projects tab (depending on simple or advanced view)

Each project has its own independent project preferences. Only computation preferences are global and shared between projects.
2114) Message boards : Questions and problems : MacPro 5.1 Fehler "DumpGPURestart" (Message 93619)
Posted 10 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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It's a project preference, in this case a Seti project preference at https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project

Edit, uncheck the use of whichever GPU brand you have, or all. Save changes to the website.
The next time BOINC contacts the project it'll get those preferences.

Any work for the GPU still in cache has to be done or aborted.
2115) Message boards : Questions and problems : --get_host_info (Message 93603)
Posted 9 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Client code is found in /client/ at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc?files=1

That's Master code, but should suffice for your purpose.
2116) Message boards : Promotion : Dreamlab works on IOS, BOINC could take the same route to work on Apple mobile devices - BOINC devs/management please read!! (Message 93590)
Posted 8 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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The trouble with the BOINC developers having to look real hard at this app is that Vodafone doesn't have source code available for anyone to look at. They're using proprietary code.
Also, as far as I can see, the app is doing the calculations directly. This differs from BOINC which is a managing app, but has to download the science applications from the project(s) before they can be used for calculations. This is where it's difficult to get into the Apple Store as it doesn't allow apps to download further apps for anything. Then BOINC would have to make a version with all possible project apps included, which makes it difficult as each time the project(s) release a new app it means that a new BOINC has to be released. It would also make the BOINC download gigantic because it needs to incorporate all those applications.

In other words, Dreamlab and BOINC can't really be compared, other than that they may do some of the same calculations. But so do Prime95 and Folding@Home.
2117) Message boards : Questions and problems : Reporting timer? (Message 93577)
Posted 7 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Delete option is only for administrators. I can delete posts, whole threads even.

On these forums if you want to have that done, click on the icon under the post you want gone and request it to be hidden or deleted. That will send an email to the moderators and me.

Hiding a post means it's still there just not visible to anyone, only to moderators and administrators. These posts can be unhidden, be available to everyone again.
Deleting means removal out of the database. The post will be gone. It cannot be restored afterwards.
2118) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't run (Message 93571)
Posted 6 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Deleted everything including regedit entries... Same behavior, can't run BOINC. What should I try next?
Can you check in stdoutdae.txt, which can be found in the data directory (default a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\) what it says there, and otherwise copy everything and post that here?

If you've tried running BOINC more than once, do scroll down in that file to the last time you see "starting BOINC client version 7.14.2 for windows_x86_64" and copy that line and everything beyond it to a post here.

Also, is there anything in stderrdae.txt?
2119) Message boards : Questions and problems : OnePlus 7T computation error (Message 93527)
Posted 5 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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The present BOINC versions project science applications are incompatible with Android 10.
2120) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc SETI@home not "running" (Message 93513)
Posted 4 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Know that uninstalling BOINC merely removes its program files, and reinstalling it puts them back. BOINC doesn't do any calculations, that's purely done by the project science applications. All BOINC essentially does is schedule when what project runs, with which application on which tasks.

So any calculation errors you see at the project are caused by the project science application, which in turn can be caused by a bad batch of tasks (then normally everyone has errors), a badly behaving science application (beta) or by a driver mismatch on your hardware (especially if things worked flawlessly before a driver update).
2121) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc in a Raspberry Pi with VNCServer does not show BoincManager (Message 93503)
Posted 3 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Why not use the Boinccmd tool from the command line? Is perhaps easier than trying to figure out how to get necessary X-server parts to run via VNC.
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool
2122) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't run (Message 93502)
Posted 3 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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Best completely uninstall it and take out any stragglers left behind, such as (old) data directory and registry entries, before reinstalling it.

For a guide as to what to remove, see this FAQ.
2123) Message boards : Questions and problems : --get_host_info (Message 93501)
Posted 3 Nov 2019 by Profile Jord
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BOINC uses a call to the HOST_INFO() function to get that information.

https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/gnumach-doc/Host-Information.html
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/f14d96d2be2e5a290177f7b5391b0802fbd3756c/lib/hostinfo.h
2124) Message boards : Questions and problems : Sorting columns (Message 93479)
Posted 31 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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It'll be in the BOINC Manager Preferences file at /Users/(username}/Library/Preferences/BOINC Manager Preferences
2125) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why old virtual box comes with boinc download? (Message 93472)
Posted 31 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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From what I've read in LHC threads, there have never been problems relating to either version of virtualbox.
Never say never, as a quick search reveals different. And remember that LHC isn't the only project using VirtualBox, so even if it may have sturdy software capable of running on (alpha) VBox versions without many problems, it doesn't mean that the other projects using VirtualBox can do that as well. You just need a handful of people crashing lots of models for a project to say "No!".

But you were missing the point. The BOINC version available for download is from October 2018, not 2019. It has a 2018 version VBox 5.2 included, and while it may be an older version even for 2018 (February 2018), it's the version of choice by the release manager and the projects using VirtualBox. A user can always afterwards update to the latest greatest newest if they want to, but none of the projects require it.

Aside from that, VBox 6.0+ is only for 64bit hosts, they no longer support 32bit hosts. A little thing BOINC and these projects still do.

And lastly, there's the BOINC VboxWrapper. While it may run fine on some people's devices (hardware and OS) with the newest VBox, it may only produce garbage at others.
The wrapper has to be developed in concert with the projects using VirtualBox and tested in a for them stable version. Which doesn't always mean the latest newest is best, no matter how many bugs it has fixed internally.
2126) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why old virtual box comes with boinc download? (Message 93443)
Posted 31 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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The present BOINC available for download is 7.14.2 which was released in October 2018. The software release manager is not updating the installer every time VirtualBox or another 3rd party addition to BOINC gets a new update out, that'll be done once he's gearing for recommended release. Aside from that, in the past we've found that not all newest VBox versions were compatible with all projects out there. So sometimes it's better to use a trusted known to be working version than it is to update to the latest and greatest and find that it breaks projects for everyone using that version.
2127) Message boards : Questions and problems : Time Zone (Message 93442)
Posted 31 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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I think it may be a consequence of using the BOINC software to manage the boards.
It's because the BOINC server uses UTC for all communications. It's easier for projects to use UTC as their standard time and have the humans translate that to their own time, than to have all computers from all over the world have to translate their own time (of completion of tasks for instance) into the time of where the server of the project is. Aside from daylight saving time shenanigans, it also gets problematic if a project has servers in different countries with all their own times and time zones. Thus the use of the universal standard UTC.
2128) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck in gear (Message 93428)
Posted 30 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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It's not that we don't know, it's just that there's no detection in place yet whether we can cope with that many GUI RPCs per second and make mention of that: "Sorry, overloaded on GUI RPCs at the moment, ask for a clean cc_config.xml at a convenient forum"
2129) Message boards : BOINC Manager : CTRL-TAB doesn't work on the "Notices" tab. (Message 93413)
Posted 30 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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I don't have access to the nav bar either, that's a CSS file as far as I know.
2130) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck in gear (Message 93366)
Posted 28 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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The authenticator for projects is an MD5 hash of your email address - which is your unique identifier. You shouldn't use it as the password for communications between the BOINC client and the Manager. You have a unique authenticator per project you add.

The 32 character hexadecimal password in gui_rpc_auth.cfg is made at random by the client when it starts and it finds no such file present. You can also have an empty gui_rpc_auth.cfg file, with nothing in it. Just delete the 32 char key and save the file.
As Richard surmises, the file is made and read only at a client start. The "Read config files" option in BOINC manager does not reread this file.

But glad to see that the clean cc_config.xml file worked. I don't think the other one was corrupted, but merely someone tinkered a bit too much with the Event Log options menu. If you want to use some debug flags, that's fine, but read up on what they do at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration first, and if still wondering, just ask in a project forum or here.
2131) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck in gear (Message 93360)
Posted 28 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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Let me give a default cc_config.xml file, just remove or rename the original one, put this one in place.
You can copy it into Notepad, then save as a All Files, ANSI format, cc_config.xml file into C:\Programdata\BOINC\

<cc_config>
    <log_flags>
        <file_xfer>1</file_xfer>
        <sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
        <task>1</task>
        <app_msg_receive>0</app_msg_receive>
        <app_msg_send>0</app_msg_send>
        <async_file_debug>0</async_file_debug>
        <benchmark_debug>0</benchmark_debug>
        <checkpoint_debug>0</checkpoint_debug>
        <coproc_debug>0</coproc_debug>
        <cpu_sched>0</cpu_sched>
        <cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
        <cpu_sched_status>0</cpu_sched_status>
        <dcf_debug>0</dcf_debug>
        <disk_usage_debug>0</disk_usage_debug>
        <file_xfer_debug>0</file_xfer_debug>
        <gui_rpc_debug>0</gui_rpc_debug>
        <heartbeat_debug>0</heartbeat_debug>
        <http_debug>0</http_debug>
        <http_xfer_debug>0</http_xfer_debug>
        <idle_detection_debug>0</idle_detection_debug>
        <mem_usage_debug>0</mem_usage_debug>
        <network_status_debug>0</network_status_debug>
        <notice_debug>0</notice_debug>
        <poll_debug>0</poll_debug>
        <priority_debug>0</priority_debug>
        <proxy_debug>0</proxy_debug>
        <rr_simulation>0</rr_simulation>
        <rrsim_detail>0</rrsim_detail>
        <sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
        <scrsave_debug>0</scrsave_debug>
        <slot_debug>0</slot_debug>
        <state_debug>0</state_debug>
        <statefile_debug>0</statefile_debug>
        <suspend_debug>0</suspend_debug>
        <task_debug>0</task_debug>
        <time_debug>0</time_debug>
        <trickle_debug>0</trickle_debug>
        <unparsed_xml>0</unparsed_xml>
        <work_fetch_debug>0</work_fetch_debug>
    </log_flags>
    <options>
         <max_stdout_file_size>20119200</max_stdout_file_size>
    </options>
</cc_config>

The max_stdout_file_size sets it to 18MB.

After putting this one in place, restart the client.
2132) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck in gear (Message 93355)
Posted 28 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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LOL, I forgot about BOINCCMD. Ta. :)
2133) Message boards : Documentation : Problems about temporary data and offline about BOINC (Message 93352)
Posted 28 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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I have answered these in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13190 and will lock this thread now. No need for double posting.
2134) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems about temporary data and offline about BOINC (Message 93351)
Posted 28 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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When Boinc assigns computational task to personal PC, it must send tasks to PC, which file in BOINC directory contains the task?
Tasks are saved in the file format they're sent by the project to the project sub-directory of the BOINC Data directory.
Depending on operating system, this may be in C:\Programdata\BOINC (Windows), MacOS /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data and Linux /var/lib/boinc-client

I'll use the Windows directory as an example:
For instance, Seti@Home will store all its data in C:\Programdata\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\

And does BOINC create temporary file to store the temporary computational result? Where is the temporary file?
Yes, it does. It will create such a file in the slots/N directory, where N is an integer number from 0 to anything above that. That usually depends on how many CPU cores and GPUs are allowed to have work.

Can anyone tell me the position of these file in BOINC directory or give me some web page to study?
A lot of information can be gotten from the user manual at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual and if you're into the development of BOINC, at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwareDevelopment

Another question is that is it possible to download task, then finish every computation offline, then upload the result to science research for BOINC?
Yes, an always on connection isn't necessary for BOINC. When it finds it cannot upload, it'll back-off until it can. You can also set BOINC up to have communications between the hours of X and Y, per day or per one or more days of the week.
2135) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck in gear (Message 93349)
Posted 28 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
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Do you have BOINC installed as a service, or as a (normal) user install?
In the event log and stdoutdae.txt this will show as a line stating that BOINC runs as a daemon.

I did as you instructed and renamed the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file to gui_rpc_auth.old and restarted BOINC manager.
BOINC consists of two things, a client and a Manager (the GUI). Exiting the Manager not necessarily exits the client, just as starting the Manager doesn't necessarily start the client. That's all user-definable. The Manager is there to easily allow control of the client, the client does all the heavy work of scheduling, storing work, contacting the projects, etc.

Which is why I instructed to quit BOINC, both client and manager, before deleting the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file. Because when the client still runs, when you tamper with this file, upon the restart of the Manager (the GUI) it'll just reuse the previous values.

So go to Windows Task Manager (CTRL + Shift + Esc), choose BOINC, right click on it, Go to details, right click on boinc.exe, End process tree (Jeez Microsoft, can we do this any more circuitous?)
Make sure it doesn't come back (when installed as a service it may restart, then you'll have to stop the service via the services app).

Now, to make sure that the Manager runs the client when it starts, we need to be in the registry.
In the search box on the taskbar, type regedit. Then, select the top result for Registry Editor (Desktop app).
Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager
Make sure that DisplayShutdownClientDialog has value set to 1.
Make sure that RunDaemon has value set to 1.
And if not, edit these so their values are 1.

No need to restart the computer, just exit the registry.
Now start BOINC Manager in your normal way.

I assume it is filling the stdoutdae.txt file up because it has doubled in size now from ~30Mb to 72Mb.
Normally this file is 2MB and when filled to that, will switch the full version to stdoutdae.old, and spawn a new stdoutdae.txt
If you edited the client configuration file cc_config.xml and added a line
<max_stdout_file_size>N</max_stdout_file_size>

Where N is a value in bytes, then this file can become that much bigger.

It can only double in size so quick when it has extraneous and unnecessary debug flags on.
Also in cc_config.xml, are all the log_flags. file_xfer, sched_ops and task are always on (1), the rest is by default off (0).
So check here what's all on (1) and if you don't find it necessary, turn them off (0).
You best edit this file with the client off. Editing can be done in Notepad, no fancy XML editor necessary. Make sure to save changes in ANSI encoding format.
2136) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck in gear (Message 93337)
Posted 27 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't say which OS you use, so you may have to look around where the file is, but completely exit BOINC (client and manager) then go to the BOINC data directory and remove the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file, then restart BOINC Manager (which if all's right should start the client and connect to it now).

If you every edited the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and put in your own password, you will have to do that again after this.
2137) Message boards : Questions and problems : is 95C an alright temp for an i7-3770k? (Message 93310)
Posted 24 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Tj Max (throttle) temperature for the Ivy Bridge CPUs is about 105C. I wouldn't call 95C all right, perhaps spend some money in a cheap but way better than stock after market CPU cooler? The Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is just $30,- and can reduce temps by 20C with ease.
2138) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduler Concerns (Message 93309)
Posted 24 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I suspect that long term it would pay the projects still using outdated code to do the swap but there would likely be a lot of complaints in their fora before everything was sorted out.
It's not just outdated software, it's also running on outdated hardware. Yes, you can upgrade to the latest BOINC server but that doesn't necessarily mean you can run it and its required Linux version on your server. Not all projects have the resources (money and manpower) to change that all.
2139) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a "wish list" (Message 93235)
Posted 16 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You asked where you can request a feature.

The developers don't read this forum, no. Or maybe once in a very blue moon. Or when someone points out a post, and even then I wouldn't hold my breath. We never said they read this forum. Or any project forum for that matter.
Your best bet is always at Github, make a new issue on https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues and use the Label option to name it Feature Request. Perhaps that someone looks at it then, but even that's not guaranteed.
2140) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen "blanker" is being deactivated by BOINC activity (Message 93231)
Posted 16 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Especially the hardware setup, and what it comprises. Is it for instance a desktop computer that's on your desk, does it have (a lot of) fans that can add vibration by which the mouse reacts? As then sure, it's BOINC its doing that everything heats up and the fans need to spin up, but the easiest workaround here is to turn the mouse off. Especially laser mice can be very susceptible to the minutest of vibrations.
2141) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 93213)
Posted 15 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, wrong place to report that. Instead report it to the BOINC alpha email list (*) or report it on GitHub.

I doubt very much that the developer(s?) is reading these forums.
2142) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 93203)
Posted 15 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Only when you're a beta tester. When you go to the Play Store and search for BOINC you'll see you're a beta tester.

I am not at the moment and when I go to the Play Store I see:

Beta version is still installed. You might want to uninstall and reinstall this app.

New to 7.4.53
2143) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.16.x change logs? (Message 93195)
Posted 14 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
When someone writes them. I'm not part of the development anymore so not a hint of an idea what is in this version. If anyone wants to send them to me, I will put them up.
2144) Message boards : Android : Beta version 7.16.3; Released 2019-10-10 (Message 93172)
Posted 12 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Version 7.16.3 updated from the Google Play store today.

Only if you're a beta tester, as this is a beta version. It's not available for main and probably wise as well as I have one Lenovo tab 4 on which it crashes immediately.
2145) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Screensaver doesn't run on macOS Catalina ☹️ (Message 93159)
Posted 10 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti uses an OpenGL screen saver. As I read around, Apple did away with OpenGL support in Catalina and has gone for Metal2+.

Well not quite yet. The next MacOS will no longer have OpenGL and OpenCL built in, this one still does but it's deprecated (thus not getting updates). But since Catalina no longer allows running of 32bit applications, that may be the culprit. The screen saver graphics apps are all AFAIK 32bit apps.
2146) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Screensaver doesn't run on macOS Catalina ☹️ (Message 93129)
Posted 8 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti uses an OpenGL screen saver. As I read around, Apple did away with OpenGL support in Catalina and has gone for Metal2+.
Perhaps that you can reinstall OpenGL, but otherwise you'll have to ask the already overloaded Seti developer to add support for Metal2+ on the Mac.
2147) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Account Unknown" in User Profiles (Windows 10) (Message 93099)
Posted 5 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
???

BOINC will only install a limited user account (named boinc_master) when you install BOINC as a service. When installed not as a service it will no longer add the limited user account or the user groups associated with the account (boinc_projects, boinc_users, boinc_admins) but as you can see, they're all named.
2148) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trying to locate an old account (Message 93083)
Posted 5 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do know we're BOINC, not Seti. Seti's address is https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/

So make sure you do your tests at the right page.
2149) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running BOINC Project (SETI@home) for 48 Hours Killed My Galax GeForce GTX 1650 4 GB GDDR5 GPU (Message 93076)
Posted 5 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
May have been a GPU with a fault already in it. Or perhaps it had no fan, or you didn't plug in (enough) Pcie power connectors for the GPU and fans to have enough power.

In any case, from https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/info.php


Is it safe to run SETI@home?

Any time you download a program through the Internet you are taking a chance: the program might have dangerous errors, or the download server might have been hacked. SETI@home has made efforts to minimize these risks. We have tested our applications carefully. Our servers are behind a firewall and are configured for high security. To ensure the integrity of program downloads, all executable files are digitally signed on a secure computer not connected to the Internet.

The applications run by SETI@home may cause some computers to overheat. If this happens, stop running SETI@home or use a utility program that limits CPU usage.

SETI@home was developed by University of California. BOINC was developed at the University of California.
Liability

SETI@home and University of California assume no liability for damage to your computer, loss of data, or any other event or condition that may occur as a result of participating in SETI@home.

From https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Usage_rules

Is it safe to run BOINC?

Any time you download a program through the Internet you are taking a chance: the program might have dangerous errors, or the download server might have been hacked.
Liability

The BOINC project and the University of California assume no liability for damage to your computer, loss of data, or any other event or condition that may occur as a result of participating in BOINC-based projects.
2150) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win10-Laptop with 2 gpu cards, only one being used!!! (Message 93047)
Posted 3 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default installation is No service install. It will only be a service install if you change that in the advanced options in the installer. But like I said earlier, then the Intel GPU wouldn't have been detected either, because a service install uses a limited user account which cannot read drivers installed by the user and drivers are needed for GPU detection.
2151) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a "wish list" (Message 93040)
Posted 3 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's under the header of Social Media, so taking an educated guess it's where you can chat about BOINC (or complain, or ask for help)
2152) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 93036)
Posted 3 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah didn't see the need for it anymore. Had my birthday, turned 50, told all about it, and none of you here congratulated me.
That hurt.

So, from here on in I will never set foot in The Lounge again, just as I perfectly manage to ignore most forums on Seti - or indeed most project forums. Bye f'ers.
2153) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win10-Laptop with 2 gpu cards, only one being used!!! (Message 93034)
Posted 3 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC as a Service
Doubt it because then none of your GPUs are detected and used due to the drivers being in a different venue than BOINC is.

Detection does need drivers with all needed components, so get the driver from the GPUs manufacturers site

Do you have <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus> set in your cc_config.xml file?
That is only needed when you have two or more mixed models GPUs of the same brand, not when you have one model of different brands.

E.g.
You are rich and have four identical RTX 2080 Ti Super? No need for this line.
You have one Intel, one Nvidia and one AMD GPU? No need for this line.

But have one RTX 2080, one RTX 2070 Super, one GTX 1650 and a GTX 1080 and you have all the same brand, mixed models so now you do need that line.

The code behind the line only orders same brand GPUs.
2154) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 93024)
Posted 2 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I turned 50 some six and a half hours ago. 😁🥳🎂🍾🎉🎊🎈🎀🎁

None of you noticed. 🧐🙄😡😠🤬

And then my mom called with bitter news about her health. I should not worry about her. So then I tried calling the nurses who in trying to put me through to the right person hung up on me three times. I then gave up, they apparently don't want me to call. 😲🤯
2155) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 93019)
Posted 1 Oct 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Its forums are back
2156) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 93006)
Posted 30 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I is mid afternoon on the left coast
Are you only mid afternoon or do you do encores for other timeslots as well? 🧐👽
2157) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.16.2 BOINC Installer.app on Mojave (Message 92996)
Posted 29 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If it's anything I have had to cope with the past days, that's about 200MB before it cuts out. The BOINC installer should be a lot smaller? 😁
2158) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suddenly BOINC Android thinks my battery is too low (Message 92989)
Posted 29 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thu Sep 26 08:32:22 CDT 2019||(battery charge level 0.0% < threshold 80.0%
There's your problem and if that's due to an OS update changing things around there's nothing you can do about it. Other than figure out how it was changed and recode & recompile a BOINC version using that new code.

Uninstalling & reinstalling BOINC won't help as it's a change in the OS. It won't magically teach BOINC where to look for the battery charge value now that's changed.

It's like on my phone where before under Android 8 I was able to read the full temperature range of all sensors and since Android 9 was installed that's no longer available to me.
2159) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92982)
Posted 28 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, but Acomb is in the north of England. Mind not saying north of the UK. I was on the Roman border with Scotland. 😃
2160) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92976)
Posted 27 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oi!

Car wreck!
2161) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92971)
Posted 27 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've left the North and Richard and am on my way South to Cornwall. Will arrive there tomorrow, after a lay over in Bromsgrove's Holiday Inn.

Richard's wall managed to finally do what I had expected it to do from day one: scratch my wheel arch. The neighbor had parked his car a bit in the way of the exit, so I had to take a tighter corner than normal, or scratch that car... Oh well.

On top of that, I managed to fall out of bed and hitting my head on the window sill or radiator. Difficult to say what exactly as it was dark, I was in pain and wondering what to do. That was also on my mind when I drove off this morning.
2162) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC preferences (Message 92960)
Posted 26 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post the contents of the global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml files of the affected computer(s)
2163) Message boards : Questions and problems : cant join the site (Message 92954)
Posted 25 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're the BOINC forums, we have nothing to do with any of the projects that can be run in the client. We're not the Seti forums. Don't expect that project admin of any of the projects come here to look for reports on their project.

Report this to the Seti forums, where you will have a better chance for the Seti admin to see it, than he has here where he will never see it as he doesn't come here.
2164) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92947)
Posted 24 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The buckets will stay, with contents, until next week.
2165) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92943)
Posted 24 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You must have missed all the buckets of water. One howl and you're wet. One hair on fire and you're wet.

💦💦💦
2166) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92931)
Posted 24 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
With all the water coming down here, drinks are on me! All water. 😁
2167) Message boards : Questions and problems : Kann BOINC nicht installieren: failed to be able to obtain the sid for the local host (Message 92923)
Posted 23 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try the advice in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13092&postid=92651 first
2168) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU (Message 92919)
Posted 23 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that once you've chosen your new card that you uninstall any remnants of old drivers and run something like display driver uninstall in safe mode to get rid of all stragglers. Else switching between brands can be a problem when a part of an old AMD driver is still on there.
2169) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92910)
Posted 22 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't know what you're all on about. The only water I found on my way was spray from the cars in front of me driving over a wet road. I has sun most of my trip.

Arrived fine at Richard. He'll tell you later on, I bet.
2170) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92900)
Posted 22 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see Richard is lighting up the sky for me. Just a tad early. Not there yet mate, not leaving Birch till ten or so.
http://www.lightningmaps.org/
2171) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92899)
Posted 22 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Been out to the Ross Revenge yesterday. We had perfect weather for it, a bit of wind and the sea was slight, but sunny all the way.

I was the winner for distance traveled to get there, and for having visited her before (32 years ago). She's a beaut.

Won't be able to visit her again in another 32 years as then I will be too old. 😏
2172) Message boards : Questions and problems : Compute error - SIGSEGV: segmentation violation (Message 92873)
Posted 21 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actually, the time you get the error is with Seti, as it is their science application that runs the work and giving the error. BOINC is the managing software, it doesn't do any of the calculations, using of RAM or anything intensive. As you have shown in your other post, you can run BOINC until you press Ctrl+C without problems. So, BOINC isn't causing the SIGSEV error.

So what you can test is run another project. See if that project's science application(s) return the same error, and if it doesn't, it's something specific about Seti's application/work form that reacts this way on your system. Then you'll have to go back to them to work that out.
If another project is returning the same errors, it may be your hardware/OS anyway. Or the programming code used is similar to Seti's. The one I know that wildly differs is Climateprediction.net as they used to use Fortran for their code. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php for a list of projects and if they have support for Linux.

You can also try different managers, such as Prime95+ or Folding@Home.
2173) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92870)
Posted 20 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I noticed on the weather outlook pages that Richard is dancing his wildest voodoo and hoodoo dances to get me the wettest weather he can possibly come up with. Thanks. Although I see it ain't better in Ye Olde Oosterhout, not that it can't be wet enough there for all I care. 🤣😂

I'll move down south again for the last week, it'll probably be better there. Having that birthday on a beach again. All alone. 🥺
2174) Message boards : Questions and problems : Compute error - SIGSEGV: segmentation violation (Message 92869)
Posted 20 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
From https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84658&postid=2012358
Keith Myers wrote:
Sigsegv errors are usually caused by unstable cpu clocks or unstable memory clocks. Something is corrupting memory addresses. This a OS issue and not a BOINC or Seti issue.

He's right you know?
2175) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92859)
Posted 20 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Changed my return ticket to the 6th of October.
2176) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unexpected behaviour (Message 92856)
Posted 20 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope someone else is doing the documentation, as that's impossible from a phone...
2177) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92849)
Posted 19 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Left Eype (pr. eep) and have arrived at the Woodview B & B again. Went through the Dartford tunnel, asked my landlady for her Debit card as other than by credit or debit card there's no way to pay that thing.

Drove a new record, 396 kilometers on 20.5 liters. That's 1:19.2
Not bad for my Swift factory rated at 1:14.5

Next up, visit the Ross Revenge.
2178) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92803)
Posted 14 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Decided I am staying a week longer in the UK, although that may give problems with my return ticket for the ferry. But nothing I can't solve I bet.

So I am going to Richard from next Sunday or so. See how long he can stand me before he throws me out. More like how long I can stand being there with his fickle shower. 😁

Not in the best of moods now, but other than that decision I haven't made up my mind yet about the situation I find myself in all of a sudden.
2179) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92801)
Posted 14 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, there's that bone. She's not coming. She's asked friends who told her not to go on vacation with me, and who then asked her to go to Germany for the Autumn holiday week... She told them that was okay.

I give up. 🤷🏼‍♂️
2180) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92799)
Posted 13 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Next up Eype Devon, on the beach. Yay.
2181) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92781)
Posted 12 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have arrived in Reading. Glad I have navigation or else I would still be in the outskirts of London.
2182) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92767)
Posted 10 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
🚗🛳️🛣️🏰⛱️🏖️🌂☂️♓♎❗🧘🏊😎😁🙋🏼‍♂️👋
2183) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92747)
Posted 9 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thing of worry though. Today I was at my physiotherapist who made a scan of my foot, to check for the status of my calcaneal spur and he found that the fascia plantaris under my right foot shows holes, one of which is at the bone where it's attached to. My physio advised me to walk as little as possible and if I do, to build up the walks and stop when I feel pain. In other words, I can throw the walks I had planned out the window. It may even not be a bad idea that I take Isa up on her plan to come back later, leave my foot to heal some more.

And perhaps that Bob can find time in his agenda in the 12-10 to 20-10 span for a visit of two Dutch people. :)
2184) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92746)
Posted 9 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two more days. In two days time I'll be in the UK, this time in the evening. Just. Seeing if I can still drive on the left side. :)
And yes, she's still coming, although she's thrown me another bone. Couldn't I have offered the vacation in the school's Autumn vacation? As that's easier on her mind, with her kids being home (well, at grandma's). So that's got me thinking... and I can still change things. I can go to the UK 11-09 till 25-09, then return and come back 12-10 till 20-10 with Isa. Offered that one back to her. TBC. :)
2185) Message boards : Questions and problems : won't allow sign up (Message 92745)
Posted 9 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The admin at CPDN is asking that you try again. He found a bug in the sign-up procedure that he fixed. Your email addresses should work now.
2186) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92743)
Posted 8 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Come On Ziggo, can't you do anything right these days?
Tonight, as I was home alone anyway, I thought I'd quickly switch out the broken modem for the new one... three hours later, still no internet connection, no telephone, no network, only TV worked. Switched the old broken modem back into my network and immediately have internet, network, telephone.

So I think they sent me a faulty modem.
And that 3 days before my vacation starts. I hope they can stop it that the old modem's signal stops after 14 days, because otherwise the house will be without internet during my vacation. Shrug.
2187) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92736)
Posted 8 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Me sniffs and bolts out the door.
2188) Message boards : Questions and problems : won't allow sign up (Message 92730)
Posted 8 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If this is for climateprediction.net specifically, they have just updated their server software to a newer version and are still finding all kinds of bugs.

I will forward this thread to their main administrator.

Can you in the mean time tell what username you're trying to register and check there's no weird characters in the email?
Edit: the other day I had to sign in again on these forums as my cookie expired, and on logging in the forums answered bad password, but logged me in anyway.
So please check if you can log in with one of those email addresses and their passwords.

And can you private message me the email addresses used so I can send them to the admin at CPDN?
2189) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92723)
Posted 6 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still can't believe it, Isa's coming with me on vacation. You know how long it's taken me, how many times I've asked?
And now she just said yes, even while she was a little angry with me. I love her dearly. She's weird. :)
2190) Message boards : API : Easy account removal (EU-GDPR compliance) (Message 92720)
Posted 5 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The newer BOINC software does have the account removal option. The trouble with that is that we cannot force projects to update their back end and forum software, to get that option. Even an API won't work here.
2191) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92719)
Posted 5 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, she kinda is. Due to the whole thing I cannot go into. But she's coming, and this time I am going to hold her to it. She's my best friend, she's not my lover. But she knows I will do anything to help her. Especially in this shitty situation.

So I will have her over for 7 days, we'll make it a ball. That she can let her hair down. And relax for a bit.
2192) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92717)
Posted 5 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
She's just thrown me a bone... she doesn't want to go to Germany but to England. So it looks like it's back to three weeks in the UK.
We're meeting tomorrow to finalize things.
2193) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92714)
Posted 5 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think I said it before and then it didn't happen.. but she's coming with. 😄
2194) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92712)
Posted 5 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Up to my ears in another beta, plus some personal problems. Sigh.
2195) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92706)
Posted 4 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
As you may notice, Richard's got the moderator title back. Temporarily. Until I'm back from vacation.
He's been ordered though to temp ban everyone who howls out of tune, or sets the wrong hair on fire.
That you've been warned.

:)
2196) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92705)
Posted 4 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bought a new printer a couple of weeks ago, to replace the HP 2540 which was dropping off the network for unknown reasons (it otherwise works fine...). Got a HP 2630 to replace it, uninstalled the previous printer, installed the new. All fine you'd think, but for that each time I tried printing something from Firefox, I'd get a warning that the paper size was set to Letter.

So I changed the paper size in Windows, properties of the printer, to A4.
Firefox still wanted to print in Letter.
Changed the paper size to A4 in the Firefox printer properties as well. Which works fine until you exit Firefox, then restart it and print something new... which it does in Letter.

So tonight I changed the height and width values in about:config for the printer, as well as the paper_unit value, to represent the A4 format. Now finally Firefox prints to A4 by default. But where, why, how it got set to Letter in the first place, I still don't know. Annoying grumble worthy though.
2197) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92703)
Posted 4 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before I forget... promoting Richard temporarily back to moderator, for the duration of my vacation. I promise to demote again you once I'm back.
You won't get the emails, Bernie and I still will. But I'm planning on really taking vacation and not doing anything on the boards during that time. In Germany I may not even have internet. :)
2198) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92699)
Posted 4 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Reply button has been this green for the past year or so.
The colours on the front page can be adjusted with two changes, one per colour, to the CSS file. This can be done from home.

And even if it were strange he did it on Labor Day, he wouldn't be the only one 'working': https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/8354-working-labor-day.html
(and that's aside from the 'normal' people working, fire brigade, police, EMTs, other helpers, tank stations/stores, religious people, etc.)
2199) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92692)
Posted 3 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Nah, I just shouted for joy because of a pleasant surprise as someone I thought had surely died just PMed me. Thumbs up there.
2200) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92688)
Posted 3 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Still don't know what your complaint is. What's wrong with the colour scheme? As that's the only thing that changed, and then only on the boxes. The background is still ghostly white.
What, hasn't David asked you personally if it was all right that he went and changed the colours? It's his project, running on his server. He pays for it. So I don't really see why it's so outrageous.
2201) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92683)
Posted 3 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Well, I can see why. The colour scheme is now more in line with the BOINC logo, with the dark blue and the yellow. Doesn't look too bad on my mobile, haven't seen it yet from a desktop though.
2202) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92678)
Posted 2 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Since Isa isn't coming along anyway, at least I don't expect her to as I haven't spoken with her in a month now, I can give up on my plans for that part of the vacation...
Ofcourse, speak of a woman and she'll immediately contact you and tell you that you see it all in different and weird ways.

She's still wanting to come with, more so even now she learned I'm going to Germany. But still hasn't made a decision on it, and then went back to her old excuse of me needing to go with Holly, we should make up and be friends again... all the old yada-yada. I told her we're not interested in that, and that even Holly wants her to come with me.

Sometimes she's impossible to figure out, although I'm apparently not doing such a shabby job. Said she herself. Compliments from Isa. My my. :)
(and I wish I could tell about the troubles she has, but I cannot. Sorry)
2203) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92677)
Posted 2 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Getting another beta in again, it's going to be exciting. Can't say anything about it, am under NDA again. Download happening with 31.4MB/sec. Yay!
2204) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92675)
Posted 2 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Will you ever get a life? :-P
2205) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows install issues (Message 92673)
Posted 2 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have installed the 32bit version of BOINC and it is running but I'd rather be running the 64bit version as 64bit should run a little faster as long as it is optimized for 64bit.
The 32bit version of BOINC can still run 64bit science applications and it's these latter that speed up calculations or not, not the bitness of the BOINC version you have.
2206) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92666)
Posted 1 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Okay, I am changing my plans. My vacation will still span the time I said it would, but the last week I will spend in Germany. Since Isa isn't coming along anyway, at least I don't expect her to as I haven't spoken with her in a month now, I can give up on my plans for that part of the vacation and instead go look at some places that have intrigued me for some years now. Like Peenemünde and Prora.

Edit: I'll now come the 11th of September (as before), but leave the 24th. Sorry Richard, won't be visiting you, I don't think. Unless I do that from the 16th till the 20th. But then I'd have to forego my plans of visiting Cornwall. Not decided upon yet.
Will sleep the night of the 24th at home, then drive to the other side of Germany on the 25th, stay there till around my birthday (2nd of October). Still don't want to celebrate that at home.
2207) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Another BOINC isn't sleeping when computer in use issue. (Message 92660)
Posted 1 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Your screenshot is broken (or empty).
You omitted mentioning your operating system, as with Linux it's possible that due to changes in the way the x-server is polled, BOINC can't make out if the computer is in use or not.
And else, always check in BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Activity menu, what your settings are. They must be "based on preferences" as when set to "run always", it will ignore these 'in use' preferences.
2208) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to move project files to another HD (Message 92657)
Posted 1 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Or really step by step, including telling you what to click where:
Exit BOINC (BOINC Manager->File->Exit BOINC Manager->check "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"->OK)
Navigate to your BOINC Data directory (default in Windows a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC), then go up one folder so you can copy the BOINC folder.
Copy the BOINC folder to a folder on your D: drive (e.g. D:\BOINC)
Uninstall BOINC.
Reinstall BOINC.
In the third screen of the installer, click Advanced.
Change the path for the Data Directory from C:\Programdata\BOINC to D:\BOINC (or wherever you copied the directory to).
Continue installing BOINC.
Start BOINC Manager (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager)

We do it this way and not via the registry to make sure that all permissions on the new BOINC folder are set correctly.
If you miss the installer of BOINC, you can get 7.14.2 from here.
If you have trouble uninstalling or reinstalling BOINC, use the Microsoft Windows Program Uninstaller.
2209) Message boards : Questions and problems : unable to install on Windows 10. (Message 92651)
Posted 1 Sep 2019 by Profile Jord
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Run the "fix problems that block programs from being installed or removed" program from Microsoft: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed, then download the BOINC installer again from the website to make sure you have a non-corrupt copy, and try the installation again.
2210) Message boards : BOINC client : strange error msg: could not assign boinc user to group render (Message 92646)
Posted 31 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/3250 has more people with the same problem.
2211) Message boards : Android : No tasks being sent to a new phone (Message 92637)
Posted 29 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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The blanking of the CPU name is somewhat normal, it shouldn't affect operations, as long as the bitness of the CPU and the operating system (Android) are the same.

Running a 64bit CPU with 32bit Android can give problems with certain project's science applications.
2212) Message boards : Android : No tasks being sent to a new phone (Message 92636)
Posted 29 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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The Qualcomm Snapdragon is an ARM style CPU.

Companies that have designed chips with ARM cores include Amazon.com's Annapurna Labs subsidiary,[37] Analog Devices, Apple, AppliedMicro (now: MACOM Technology Solutions[38]), Atmel, Broadcom, Cypress Semiconductor, Freescale Semiconductor (now NXP Semiconductors), Huawei, Maxim Integrated, Nvidia, NXP, Qualcomm, Renesas, Samsung Electronics, ST Microelectronics, Texas Instruments and Xilinx.
2213) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92624)
Posted 28 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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I can do magic me.

So back in March I bought a USB-C to USB-C data cable at some store in the UK (Richard, where did you bring me?) and used it to transfer data from my phone to my tablet and back.
Coming home I promptly forgot where I left that cable, have been looking for it a couple of times but never found it.

So last night I walked to the other side of my living room to check something there, and lo and behold, on the floor, between two boxes lies a black cable. I pick it up and my word, it's the USB-C to USB-C data cable that I couldn't find. Really not got a clue how I did that, so I can only attribute it to me being capable of doing magic. So watch it. :-)
2214) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92622)
Posted 28 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Thursday 12 Sep - Thursday 26 Sep

There are mixed signals from the middle of September onwards but at present it seems most probable that weather patterns will become slowly evolving during this period and that the UK will see a fair amount of unsettled weather. Overall we should expect spells of rain or showers, which could be heavy at times, interspersed with briefer periods of quieter and more settled weather. A more prolonged spell of settled weather may develop towards the end of September, but there remains quite a degree of uncertainty in the forecast into late September. After a cool start, temperatures are expected to recover pretty close to average for the time of year and, perhaps, become a little higher than average later in the period.


Of course, Jord's coming back to the UK so the weather must be unsettled, rainy, windy etc. Well fine, if at least it can be dry and not windy around my Caroline visit weekend? I don't want it to be canceled again!
2215) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92614)
Posted 27 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Setting up the bomb...
2216) Message boards : Questions and problems : need help debugging a problem: Linux 7.16.1 (Message 92613)
Posted 27 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't mean with the bit of code that you could change the output of BOINC. BOINC will always follow the compute capability, driver version, RAM size and estimated FLOPs sequence to designate the device IDs, with the best GPU always being device 0, the second best device 1 etc. Of course if all devices are the same for all four comparison points, then it gets tricky.

I got the code entry from this Stack Overflow thread, while this thread in the Nvidia Dev forums suggests that the device ID numbering isn't always following the PCIe slot order, so don't just think that because a GPU is in the slot nearest the CPU, that that device gets DeviceID 0.
2217) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92601)
Posted 27 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Is it time yet?
Is it?
Is it?
Is it?
Is it?
Is it?
Is it?
2218) Message boards : Questions and problems : need help debugging a problem: Linux 7.16.1 (Message 92593)
Posted 26 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Another problem (may be a feature): The GPU's are numbered 0..X where 0 is given to the "best" GPU and larger numbers for the "weaker". I do not know why BOINC bothers to rank GPUs. There seems to be no need and it makes it difficult to find which GPU is causing the problem assumeing the problem is a unique GPU. Why can't BOINC use the same GPU number that nVidia uses in nvidia-smi or that ATi uses in "sensors".
I see no one addressed this, but BOINC takes the numbering from the GPU drivers. It'll check whether the device is CUDA or OpenCL capable and give it device numbers according compute capability, driver version, RAM size and estimated FLOPs. BOINC will number all devices this way.

CUDA itself does this almost the same way. It'll give device 0 to the fastest device, but then it'll stop indexing devices. So the next devices are not sorted by speed and can get any device ID when detected by CUDA. This means that the GPUs in any slot other than the one getting DeviceID 0, can switch their device ID numbers.

From what I read around, if you set environment variable
export CUDA_DEVICE_ORDER=PCI_BUS_ID
the GPU IDs will be ordered by pci bus IDs and will show the same output as in nvidia-smi.
2219) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92591)
Posted 26 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any more howling and tRump nukes this place.
2220) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92589)
Posted 26 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've turned off the WiFi radios in the ISP's modem/router and re-enabled the ones in my Asus router. So for the moment the flat has got WiFi again.
ISP is sending a technician over to check things in my flat. I don't need things checked, I can tell out right the modem's dead. It's also dropping packets on the cabled network. The biggest problem is that the network goes through that modem and its mapping is incomplete. My NAS is nowhere to be seen in any index, although I can reach it normally with direct links.

Oh well, better now than during my vacation.
2221) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92586)
Posted 26 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Second modem in a year that's broken. This time we're without WiFi, but at least all cabled internet is working. Doesn't help that we urgently need to print something and the HP2630 is only available via WiFi. :-(
2222) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92556)
Posted 22 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Okay, two and a half week to go and I still have got a gap of between the 16th of September to the 19th, and one from the 22nd of September till the 30th to fill in.
The latter may be filled in if Isa comes along - our relationship is a difficult one with ups and downs, yet despite all the troubles in her life she still wants to come with, but she doesn't know if she can until shortly before her start date of the 22nd. I know I can crash at Richard's but I'm not sure if I can stand crashing that long at Richard's. :)

I don't mind traveling to various hotels, B&Bs and such, but if you're reading this, you're in the UK and you're somewhere on my route - which is still to be determined, otherwise I just pick a direction every day and see where I'll end up - and you want to have me over, please give me an invite. One place I won't go to is London though. Hence why I'm meeting Neil (Munday) in Reading :)
2223) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unable to connect to client upon installation no matter what I do. (Message 92549)
Posted 21 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your log shows a crash in BOINC Manager, on the 10th of July 2019.
It doesn't show any problems with boinc.exe

If you don't have a more recent entry about boinc.exe crashing, check Windows Event Viewer for details.
Perhaps that it shows there. Don't just check yellow and red markers, it may also be encased in a blue (normal) information marker.
2224) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92537)
Posted 20 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Okay world, it's over now. I've done all you wanted me to do, my foot hurts like hell again. Hope you're happy, as the rest of the week I'm a couch-potato, watching Ghost Adventures, with my foot up as the doc and physio have ordered. (read: world == mom 🙄)
2225) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92528)
Posted 19 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the next three weeks I'll be as immobile as possible. The calcaneal spur pain has increased a hundredfold, I have pain even at night.

So this morning I asked my physician to inject me with corticosteroids, which he did. The pain has receded enormously, but I am still advised by both my physician and my fysiotherapist to take total rest, stay off my foot for as much as possible.

I even got one crutch, to help get around the house.

So fingers crossed.
At least it takes my thoughts away from Isa (which is a totally different story, one I won't go into here).
2226) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92519)
Posted 17 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That Richard Haselgrove keeps emailing me with all these new email addresses and mysterious, possibly nefarious links. "I thought it was something you would want to see"... I'm sure it's not. 😜
2227) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 92518)
Posted 17 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Richard Edmund Williams, 86, Canadian–British animator, voice actor, and writer, best known for serving as animation director on Disney/Amblin's Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) and for his unfinished feature film The Thief and the Cobbler (1993). He was also a film title sequence designer and animator; his most famous works in this field included the title sequences to What's New Pussycat? (1965) and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum (1966) and title and linking sequences in The Charge of the Light Brigade (1968). He also animated the eponymous cartoon feline for two of the later Pink Panther films.
2228) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92508)
Posted 16 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Someone forgot that these sites don't route through that other core router? Or was it too much traffic?

Peaceful day. Banished a spammer and the site went down. Maybe it was his wrath. 😆
2229) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92502)
Posted 15 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Grumble: it took 4 normal emails and one nasty email to get the watch maker servicing my Seiko 6105-8009t (8110) to react to me and send it back. I'd wanted to give it some TLC, it being such an old watch and all. It's in fine running condition, just that the sapphire is a bit scratched and the number plate has some mold.

Glory: just looked at this watch's price asked on eBay. Up to €3,500!
Uhm, you know what? I'll leave it in the condition it's in, as it's only going to be worth more. Even broken ones run for up to €2,000!

Seiko released a limited edition reissued version this year that went for $4,250.-
2230) Message boards : Questions and problems : Benötige Installationshilfe von SETI-Mitglied. Bitte in deutscher Sprache. (Message 92501)
Posted 14 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the project isn't down (it isn't) it'll be firewall settings. Check in the firewall settings that BOINC (boinc.exe) is allowed to contact the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.

Überprüfen Sie in den Firewall-Einstellungen, ob BOINC (boinc.exe) über die TCP-Ports 80 und 443 eine Verbindung zum Internet herstellen darf.
2231) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92498)
Posted 14 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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And the chances she's coming along have plummeted to zero. I have retracted my invitation. She's broken my trust.
2232) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92469)
Posted 12 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Daily visits to Mr. Simms? 😂

But glad for you, last time around you looked a little thin.
2233) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92465)
Posted 12 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lost 22 kilos since I changed my diet end of March 2019. Been mostly using carbohydrate-poor vegetables only. Do still have carbo days and days with meat, but 75% of the diet was pure veg, with a little fat. And walking. 5 kilometers per day.

Haven't walked that far in two weeks due to an infection under my heel (calcaneal spur) that started when I reached 135 kilos. But am now 120 kilos and feeling very fit. Only 20 more to go. 😍
2234) Message boards : Questions and problems : tasks do not suspend while computer is in use. 7.14.2 macos (Message 92450)
Posted 10 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Find the Activity menu and check that CPU is also set to "Run based on preferences". For when it's set to Run always it will ignore those preferences.
2235) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92431)
Posted 9 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Yes... But for:

According to Einstein's theory of general relativity, massive objects warp the spacetime around them, and the effect a warp has on objects is what we call gravity. So, locally, spacetime is curved around every object with mass.

And

In physics, spacetime is any mathematical model that fuses the three dimensions of space and the one dimension of time into a single four-dimensional continuum. Spacetime diagrams can be used to visualize relativistic effects such as why different observers perceive where and when events occur differently.

Basically, a time warp is some phenomenon that changes the flow of time by speeding it up or making it run more slowly. Therefore a spacetime lag warp is double. E=mc² x mc² ?
2236) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92426)
Posted 8 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
"The Seti Might Be Down Cafe"
Perhaps it's a bi-weekly thing now.
2237) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92411)
Posted 7 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's 99.99%
Oh... Fingers crossed.🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

Edit: oooh my postcount is a palindrome: 13231 😋
2238) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92410)
Posted 6 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Perhaps they forgot. 😋 Does it need a human to set the back ups in motion, or is it handled by a script?
2239) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92407)
Posted 6 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Possibilities:
- it's not Tuesday
- it's vacation for everyone including the script
- they changed the hardware and now can do backups on the fly
- we found ET
- there's nothing to back up
- they heard of the hair burning and moon howling and didn't want any of that again
2240) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92402)
Posted 6 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps The Eti was found and the project is no longer needed....
2241) Message boards : BOINC client : Cannot find release 7.15.0 (Message 92384)
Posted 6 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If version.h had 7.15.0, then you didn't download v7.16.1
I did a complete new download of branch 7.16 last night and also got 7.15.0 in version.h

It did update version.h to yesterday's date and time of update. So this seems to be hit & miss. Or 7.16.1 isn't in the 7.16 branch
2242) Message boards : BOINC client : Cannot find release 7.15.0 (Message 92377)
Posted 5 Aug 2019 by Profile Jord
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Now, the thing of course is that one can name any BOINC version 7.15.0 by adjusting the corresponding values in version.h, just as you can name them 1.0.0, or 100.91.23, or 7.16.2

It may matter to schedulers, if they check for old version numbers, but in general a 7.15.0 version can have been built from any source code, not necessarily from the 7.16 branch.

Which reminds me, let me go get that one.

/* Platform independent version definitions... */

#ifndef BOINC_VERSION_H
#define BOINC_VERSION_H

/* Major part of BOINC version number */
#define BOINC_MAJOR_VERSION 7

/* Minor part of BOINC version number */
#define BOINC_MINOR_VERSION 15

/* Release part of BOINC version number */
#define BOINC_RELEASE 0

/* Release part of wrapper version number */
#define WRAPPER_RELEASE 26016

/* Release part of vboxwrapper version number */
#define VBOXWRAPPER_RELEASE 26202

/* String representation of BOINC version number */
#define BOINC_VERSION_STRING "7.15.0"

/* Package is a pre-release (Alpha/Beta) package */
#define BOINC_PRERELEASE 1

#if (defined(_WIN32) || defined(__APPLE__))
/* Name of package */
#define PACKAGE "boinc"

/* Define to the address where bug reports for this package should be sent. */
#define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""

/* Define to the full name of this package. */
#define PACKAGE_NAME "BOINC"

/* Define to the full name and version of this package. */
#define PACKAGE_STRING "BOINC 7.15.0"

/* Define to the one symbol short name of this package. */
#define PACKAGE_TARNAME "boinc"

/* Define to the version of this package. */
#define PACKAGE_VERSION "7.15.0"

#endif /* #if (defined(_WIN32) || defined(__APPLE__)) */

#endif /* #ifndef BOINC_VERSION_H */

2243) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92333)
Posted 30 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a foul stench, it's like the smell of daisies combined with roses and crystal meth. Hmmmm.

Edit: don't do drugs people! the above was just a joke.
2244) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92321)
Posted 30 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That small sliver that's visible between the clouds isn't worth it to howl at.
2245) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use x% CPU": Cores get too hot in bursts, fan noise kick in (Message 92315)
Posted 29 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
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Yes, that's how BOINC (and the science applications) utilize the CPU cores: they run at full burst. The CPU time option uses 10 second swats, 90% is 9 seconds on, 1 second pause; 50% is 5 seconds full on, 5 seconds pause; 5% is totally useless in terms of usage. No useful work will be done within the deadline time limit on tasks.

If you want to use sustained cooling, use something like Tthrottle, a BOINC add-on with such functions. That it cannot be built into BOINC is because the source code needs to be able to be built for different platforms without having to rely on an application programming interface (API), which would be the case if we were to add such functionality to the code for Windows only.

Edit: using the default cooler, especially on Intel CPUs, is a big no no. Always go for an aftermarket CPU cooler, or for water cooling. Small AIOs aren't that expensive.

And otherwise choose the NCI (non-computing intensive) projects, which don't use the CPU actively, although some require a special sensor (Radioactive@Home requires a sensor), while others don't (like WuProp).
2246) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92304)
Posted 26 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yay, doing a closed beta again. Can't say anything beyond that. Not even the name of it. :)
2247) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92303)
Posted 26 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Her mom says it's fine with her, she'll take care of the kids during that time. And while we're in London, could we get shoes for her husband? :-P
2248) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92298)
Posted 24 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's 80% she's coming along.
Although Egypt is still a possibility as well.
2249) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92297)
Posted 24 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just spent a grueling 45 minutes trying to register my free game I got for buying a Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2 NVME SSD.
Firefox, even with all script blockers disabled, refused to log me in with my Google account.
Chrome logged me in but refused to take me past the page with all the details on me and the product.
Had to revert back to IE11 to get it to work, but beware... the serial number on the box is wrong. It misses a letter that does show on the product itself.
If you fill in something wrong, you can't just change it and be done, no, you have to restart from the first page, reload everything and fill everything in again... yes... fun...

Then I filled in the serial number with lower case letters. Wrong! I had to use capitals. By this time I was ready to fling the SSD off the balcony.
And really, for what? For registering a game. A free game. Either Anno 1800, Far Cry New Dawn, The Division 2 or Assassin's Creed Odyssey. I went for Far Cry, the cheapest game I now see...

Anyway, managed to get through the last page. Now I'll hear within two weeks if I filled everything in all right, or that I am missing something.
Then within 6 weeks after that I get my game code, with limited availability time. You'll see I'll get it during my vacation, having had to install it during that time, or something like that. Well F it, Samsung, you've had the most irritating page I have ever had on the internet. If I don't get the game code, or will lose out because I'm away, I'll ritually burn the EVO.

Grumble.
2250) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with setting up Boinc through firewall (Message 92295)
Posted 24 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the message is "Cannot connect to client" or "Cannot connect to localhost" on BOINC Manager, first check that the BOINC client is actually running. Assuming Windows, check in Task Manager Processes, that boinc.exe is running. If it isn't, (re)open BOINC Manager->Options->More options->check "Run the client?"->Save.

After that exit BOINC Manager and restart it.
2251) Message boards : The Lounge : Discussion thread for These are no longer with us, may they have peace (Message 92294)
Posted 24 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll miss you Rutger. You made great films, always enjoyed them. Even the B and C ones.
2252) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 92290)
Posted 24 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure I will go for the 5700XT, perhaps by the time I buy the main parts that the top range cards are available or over the horizon. So until then an X570 is future proofing.
2253) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 92281)
Posted 23 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got 32GB of HyperX Fury DDR4-3200 and tomorrow I'll get a Samsung EVO 970 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD for an absolute steal.
2254) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92271)
Posted 23 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
What will the status of the moon be, and what of your hair at the end of things today? Will Richard be granted the opportunity to turn everything off? These questions and more will be answered at a venue near you, soon.
2255) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92269)
Posted 23 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, it may be interesting in more than one ways. Will I visit before, during or after Brexit?

The other interesting thing is that I may not be alone the last week and a half of this vacation as Isa has genuinely shown interest in coming over.

It does hinge on the cousin finally leaving before then (shoo you!), and she won't be able to come the complete three weeks. Isn't what I want anyway, according to plan I asked her one final time for the last week (22-9 - 3-10) and then come back to Holland with me on the ferry. She would love to. But...

Either that or we're going to Egypt for a week. Hey. 😄
2256) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92252)
Posted 21 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Completely missed that The Outpost is back.
But hey Yay! Yippie! The Outpost is back.
:-)
2257) Message boards : Promotion : Promotional video (Message 92246)
Posted 20 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
And what does it have to do with BOINC?
2258) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92235)
Posted 19 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glory: Registered fine for Parkmobile for Belgium. No problems whatsoever.
Grumble: Cannot register for Parkmobile for the UK as I lack a credit/debit card and where I can register with my IBAN account number on the Dutch and Belgian sites of Parkmobile, I cannot do so on the UK page. As if they've Brexited already. They did send me an email saying that I can now park just anywhere in the UK with the Parkmobile app. Also a gross misunderstanding as this isn't just anywhere.
2259) Message boards : Questions and problems : systemctl start = no GPU (Message 92233)
Posted 19 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jordan
My name is Jorden, but since no one cares enough anymore to see if they spelled that correctly - you just showed that - I call myself Jord. Which people then still bastardise into the weirdest of spellings and adaptions.

gave the right command but IIRC the syntax is incorrect.
I did a search on the forums and picked it up from another thread. Shrug, go blame them if it doesn't work.
2260) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Temperature vs Performance (Message 92228)
Posted 19 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with that is that it has to be coded in BOINC code, without use of an external platform specific API as the BOINC source code has to be able to be built for Windows, Linux, MacOS and Android. It's so far been impossible to code this across platforms. And then there's the different motherboard brands that do things differently as well.

So in this case you're better off with a BOINC add-on, such as TThrottle: https://efmer.com/tthrottle/
2261) Message boards : Questions and problems : systemctl start = no GPU (Message 92224)
Posted 19 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
sudo usermod -a -G video boinc
2262) Message boards : Web interfaces : On some projects "sort" has unexpected side effects (Message 92214)
Posted 17 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do they say about this at GPUGrid's forums? Do others have the same problem, or is it just you?
Could it be they have an over-zealous anti-spam function doing checks for nefarious words?
2263) Message boards : Questions and problems : Option for downloading and computing only one task at all (Message 92213)
Posted 17 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
P.S. I already tried setting fetch-minimal-work in the config file. For whatever reason, BOINC sometimes refuses to download new work, even if no task is being processed then.
Because that's the function of fetch_minimal_work: it downloads one task per device (CPU, GPU) and when those are done it won't fetch new work. This is a debug function for the client, normally used in combination with --exit_when_idle where it will exit the client when all tasks have been done, uploaded and reported.

Use the resource share is 0 (zero) option the others have pointed out. This will always download just one task per given hardware device (CPU core, GPU). This option has to be set at the projects' Project Preferences or if you use an account manager, there. It cannot be set via BOINC Manager.
2264) Message boards : Documentation : latest post not showing. (Message 92205)
Posted 17 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That post's been moved to a different forum. Perhaps that you read it in its previous place, thus it's not showing as a new post for you.

Hidden post are still in the forum, just hidden. I actually delete spam I find after hiding it, that normally tells the database to revert the affected thread to the previous state. Doesn't always work.
2265) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with Boinc for Android (Message 92202)
Posted 16 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
But do your tasks progress as normal, or do they get stuck at any time?
2266) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92201)
Posted 16 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That moon is having a partial eclipse now.
2267) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92189)
Posted 16 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Burnt hair should be inhaled, not read... Better than LSD, I'm told.
2268) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with Boinc for Android (Message 92184)
Posted 16 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/2467 is a different problem though. Your problem, as far as I can see, is that the Tasks menu-overlay doesn't show the number of tasks you have, it always shows zero tasks, even when you have a full compliment and they run fine. That's not the same as is said in 2467, where BOINC just stops computing the tasks after a while. It also always shows the correct number of tasks in the menu-overlay.
2269) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92175)
Posted 15 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then we're sure he's not on it. :)
2270) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92171)
Posted 15 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
But are we sure he's on it? :P
2271) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92155)
Posted 14 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Promises, promises. 🙄😂
2272) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with Boinc for Android (Message 92144)
Posted 13 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could be a phone specific problem. It works fine on my Huawei P20 lite that updated to Android 9 a couple of weeks ago.

A newer version of the Android BOINC app is going to be released in a couple of weeks time. Perhaps that that will fix it, but in the meantime, you best make an issue out of it at BOINC its GitHub pages: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
2273) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and BSOD? (Message 92140)
Posted 13 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could try the fix at https://www.thewindowsclub.com/dpc_watchdog_violation-blue-screen-in-windows-10, replacing the iastor.sys driver with the one from Windows.
2274) Message boards : Questions and problems : ca-bundle.crt - how to update (Message 92124)
Posted 10 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you see it happening again, try setting the http_debug flag from event log options. It may give more information.
2275) Message boards : Questions and problems : ca-bundle.crt - how to update (Message 92120)
Posted 9 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version do they use? The most updated certificates are in 7.10 and above.

They can download a fresh version from the source code at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/curl/ca-bundle.crt, save directly over the previous version, yes to overwrite. Exit and restart BOINC afterwards.
2276) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 92115)
Posted 9 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ross Perot, 89, former Presidential candidate and billionaire
2277) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92114)
Posted 9 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Indeed. Badges on Drupal, I don't think they'll invite you to dinner if you persist. 😁
2278) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92109)
Posted 9 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Trying to decipher what questions come from the room, you mean. ;-)

edit: seti's back
2279) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92086)
Posted 8 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even though there will be ongoing presentations, I suspect at least one person will be checking constantly.
Don't look at me, not that interested in BOINC Dev anymore. And I suspect that when RH stops recording things, no one will be the wiser either. ;-)
2280) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92082)
Posted 8 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't everyone in Chicago at the BOINC Workshop?
2281) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error on Android (Message 92076)
Posted 8 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Computation errors are caused by the science application, not by BOINC. So your best course of action is to post on the Seti forums.

However, someone else did so over the weekend and I answered them https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84378.

Without further information I suspect you're in the same boat.
2282) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 92068)
Posted 7 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm checking the new price for a new system with a Navi 5700XT, the 3900X and an Asrock x570 Taichi motherboard: €2462,70
I may not need to pay (+€169,95) for my Windows 10, if I use one of my Windows 7 CD keys to register Win10 Pro.
2283) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 92067)
Posted 7 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
One of my (web)shops has the AMD Gen3 CPUs and motherboards put up with Dutch prices:
https://www.cdromland.nl/info/x570-moederborden
AMD 3600: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261303
AMD 3600X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261302
AMD 3700X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261301
AMD 3800X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261300
AMD 3900X: https://www.cdromland.nl/product/261299 (and now all learn this is a Dodeca-Core :))
2284) Message boards : BOINC client : Upgrading Virtualbox ahead of what is packaged with Boinc? (Message 92060)
Posted 5 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally no, you just want to check with the project(s) that use the VirtualBox hypervisor if the version you want to install is compatible with their science. Not all are.
2285) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92057)
Posted 3 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tomorrow. Stranger Things season 3, Netflix. Yay!
2286) Message boards : Documentation : Broken links on WebResources page (Message 92056)
Posted 3 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Removed the bad broken links,updated some to HTTPS. Thanks for looking out.
2287) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92054)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, as I don't have cats anymore. Nor do I specifically have a Roomba. I was talking about the bots Dr Who Fan was talking about, and that you loving complain about each time they hit your toes. :)
2288) Message boards : Questions and problems : It appears that CPU tasks take way too long to crunch when GPU is active (Message 92051)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 'main program' is MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe - that's, in this case, a 32-bit Windows executable, and it runs on the CPU. No way is that going to run under Linux or Mac.
Why not? It's just compiled code. A little trick I learned back when from Jack from Drugdiscovery@Home: did you know that for Unix it doesn't matter what the name of an application is, to make it an executable? You can run a Windows named executable application in Linux (and probably just as well in MacOS) including the .exe extension, as long as you define that it's an executable. On its own MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe is just as any file, but right-click it in Linux and on the Permissions tab check "Allow executing file as a program" and you're done. You can sudo chmod it as well, of course: sudo chmod +x MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe will make that whole file executable under Linux.

As for it won't be able to execute as it does under Windows, all I have said so far is that default applications should be able to run on any OpenCL capable hardware. I think Eric told me once that the base OpenCL applications at Seti are all one and the same application, just renamed to match the plan-class.

The specially built applications for specific hardware may not be able to execute on other hardware. But just generic OpenCL ones should.
2289) Message boards : Questions and problems : It appears that CPU tasks take way too long to crunch when GPU is active (Message 92048)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I always understood, one OpenCL application should be able to be used on any OpenCL capable piece of hardware out there, just in the same way that OpenGL can be used on any capable hardware out there without having to write a specific API for that piece of hardware.
What I omitted was that it's even platform independent. Meaning the one OpenCL application can be used for any GPU or CPU whether they run Windows, Linux, MacOS, Android and a handful of other OSes.
2290) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92047)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
We burned the old rug though. New one is coming during the week. So that the rumba roomba bots aren't clogged after each round of the clubhouse.
2291) Message boards : Questions and problems : It appears that CPU tasks take way too long to crunch when GPU is active (Message 92042)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I always understood, one OpenCL application should be able to be used on any OpenCL capable piece of hardware out there, just in the same way that OpenGL can be used on any capable hardware out there without having to write a specific API for that piece of hardware.
2292) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 92039)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's going to happen. The meeting with Neil Munday has been set. I've known him for a good twenty years and never seen him in the flesh. That's going to change this vacation. Looking forward to it. 😁
2293) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92034)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
...or those PM "random strangers" with that self same question
They register specifically on the boards, ignore the request not to PM me with tech questions and ask their tech questions. They all get the same answer from me, to post in the forums and then I delete their PM. Only a handful post on the boards after that. So apparently the problem of the others wasn't that stringent then. :)
2294) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 92015)
Posted 2 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yesterday I told the good girlfriend that I wanted some rest, her out of my mind, and that I was going a bit silent. But not to worry, I would be back when I felt better.

That was the wrong thing to say. After a handful of dirty WhatsApp messages from her, in which she called me all the dirty names she could think of, she switched to calling me. In which she called me further dirty names.

This culminated into a big fight in which she told me she was now definitely going to block me, it was over, who did I think I was, I was going to regret this, etc.
Then her cousin, who still lives with her, took the phone and told me to leave his woman alone - exactly the thing I wanted that started off this whole circus.

I put my camera up to monitor my car, although scheduled recordings didn't seem to work, so I forced recordings to my phone. You don't know what she's going to do in her anger in the middle of the night.

But no, she apparently tried to call me a couple of times and sent me messages via WhatsApp that she then deleted again. I had my ringtone volume turned off, so never noticed. Slept all night.

This is going to be continued, I have no doubt. The thing is, I won't block her or anything else so low. She hasn't done so yet either. I'm still helping out her mom this weekend - which I know complicates things enormously. But I don't have a fight with her, I just wanted a week of silence. Is that so difficult?

🙄😒😏
2295) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 92008)
Posted 1 Jul 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BBQ is electric, it's warm in 3 minutes. No sweat.
2296) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91984)
Posted 29 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar says at the time of posting, there isn't a drop in the sky.
2297) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91982)
Posted 29 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's hot.
2298) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91980)
Posted 28 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The ex managed to fill a hard drive on the NAS to full capacity and of course she couldn't fix the problem. I've spent the past 2 hours manually removing files from the recycle folder, clearing up about 700GB. The ex states that she isn't using that much of the drive. Nah. Of the 4TB (3.63TB usable) she only using 2.38TB. Not much, nah.
2299) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 91977)
Posted 28 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you're on some pain medication, best drink water, not those pints. Before you really dent your car, and this time not by hitting mine.
2300) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 91975)
Posted 28 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let's make sure we go there the next time and we'll take some time to contemplate the situation and see if we can build a shrine there in memory of the happening. 😂🤣
2301) Message boards : GPUs : I can not run calculations on the GPU. (Message 91972)
Posted 28 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You still have BOINC installed as a service. Your own image here says so.

Uninstall BOINC.
Reinstall it.
Third screen of the installer click Advanced.
Uncheck "Service install"
Click Next.
Continue the installation.

Read the text blurb on the Service Install. It will state that if you use it this will disable the use of the GPU for calculations.

Edit: when you install BOINC as a service, BOINC is run with a limited user account that does not have access to the drivers installed by your user or administrator account. This is a Windows security measure. The driver used is the graphics driver built into Windows, which is a generic one that caters for all videocards out there. It does not have exotics as CUDA, OpenCL, OpenGL, Vulkan, CAL or anything else built in. Therefore BOINC is unable to detect any of these.

Just merely reinstalling BOINC won't do it, you will have to uninstall and reinstall.
2302) Message boards : GPUs : client not detecting all GPUs on risers (Message 91962)
Posted 27 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does CLinfo.exe find all cards? https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/clinfo.zip
2303) Message boards : Documentation : Broken links on WebResources page (Message 91957)
Posted 27 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
One day when it's not so warm and I can remember my login for Trac, will I go in and remove the dead links. So next week probably.
2304) Message boards : Documentation : Boinc projects page (Message 91956)
Posted 27 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
For a project to be listed it:
a) has to be a production project, thus not alpha, beta or otherwise (still) testing their applications.
b) the project owners have to write to the boinc_projects email list, or directly to David Anderson and ask that their project be added, give an explanation on what it does and a small blurb to include, plus which platforms they support.

It would also be nice if a project that folds says so on the same channels.
I'll forward the closed project to David, so he can remove it.
2305) Message boards : GPUs : I can not run calculations on the GPU. (Message 91950)
Posted 27 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uninstall BOINC from Windows Add/Remove Program
Install BOINC from its installer.
On the third screen in the installer click Advanced.
On the next screen uncheck "Service Install", click Next.
Continue installation as normal.

That will fix it that BOINC is installed as a service and therefore cannot detect the GPU (drivers) correctly.
To get the GPU detected you do require installation of the drivers from the GPU manufacturer, not ones installed by Windows as these may lack certain required components. So in your case go to https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us and clean install the newest drivers for the Quadro K2200.
2306) Message boards : Questions and problems : It appears that CPU tasks take way too long to crunch when GPU is active (Message 91949)
Posted 27 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I still like Speedfan a lot to quickly check temperatures and where necessary adjust fan speeds.
2307) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91933)
Posted 25 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Huawei P20 lite got the Android 9 update the other day. The first hour after installation my phone was slow opening things, but that's gotten better. BOINC & Seti are still running on it, so far so good. It's just that the phone seems to be getting hotter than before. But then environment temperatures are up as well, so I will keep an eye on it.

So far I like Android 9, even when it can be confusing at times.
2308) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91931)
Posted 25 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sssssllllooooowwww though
2309) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91927)
Posted 25 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, my home away from home is back. And I didn't even have to log in.

Edit: I think I killed an Asus router. Reset it and since I cannot find it on the network, all helper apps tell me the MAC address is invalid. Yep.
2310) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91917)
Posted 20 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's set. Change of dates. Now coming 11 September, going 3 October. Still celebrating my birthday in the UK, just not in a big group. I'll then celebrate it with Isa, Zenab, Zahra, Aminata and if she comes, Britt at a Japanese restaurant on the 4th of October.
2311) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91902)
Posted 18 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cheapskate
2312) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91899)
Posted 18 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I may have to rethink my vacation schedule. Is it any use to celebrate my 50th birthday in the UK if I'm only met by 1 person there? I can better celebrate it at home with my best friend (who can't come to the UK due to her mom being away at the same time as me and then there being no one to look after her kids).

So... I'm contemplating moving my vacation forward, possibly 4 - 25 September.
2313) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91881)
Posted 18 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The tasks are of which project? A specific application version?
What if you run them one by one instead of in parallel?
2314) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91877)
Posted 17 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do check the motherboard visually, that there aren't any bulged or leaking capacitors. And that all solderpoints seem to be without breakage.
Also check that your PSU is still giving out correct power to 5V and 12V rails. HWInfo should be able to show you those values in real time.
2315) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91875)
Posted 17 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I read through the link you provided, but I'm not entirely sure what to do next.
How many times has it happened? If just once, it may be a fluke.
But if it happens every time, you have an instability in the system. This may be heat related (reseat the Wraith Stealth with new thermal compound or get better cooling), driver instability (try older or newer drivers), hardware trouble (check RAM, motherboard, peripherals) or even a Windows corruption (reinstall Windows).
2316) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91865)
Posted 17 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does Boinc even use DirectX?
Yes, it does, for the screen saver when it can't find OpenGL and sees it's on Windows. But don't stare yourself blind on the component that the crash happened in. What you look for is the bug check code: 0x00000116, read https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/bug-check-0x116---video-tdr-error on that.
2317) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91863)
Posted 17 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
but i don't seem to know how run NirSoft\BlueScreenView nothing happens?
The image you show of Bluescreenview shows that BSV cannot find anything. Thus I suspect Bill is right and you didn't have a BSOD. A Windows 10 BSOD looks like the first image in this link. If you haven't seen that, you haven't had a BSOD.

But when a videocard is about to go, the weirdest artifacts can manifest themselves. I've had it that at uninstalling/reinstalling drivers my whole screen went black, especially fun because the computer hadn't crashed, was normally running, I just couldn't see anything on screen. That makes installing drivers especially challenging as you have to know where the buttons are, blindly. I also had screens go green, pink, bright red. All signs of a videocard on its way out although some of it can also be attributed to corrupted graphics drivers.
2318) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91862)
Posted 17 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord:

I ran Bluescreenview. What output are you looking for exactly?

==================================================
Dump File         : 061619-5765-01.dmp
Crash Time        : 6/16/2019 11:08:13 AM
Bug Check String  : 
Bug Check Code    : 0x00000116
Parameter 1       : ffffa485`a8956010
Parameter 2       : fffff803`3084053c
Parameter 3       : ffffffff`c0000001
Parameter 4       : 00000000`00000003
Caused By Driver  : dxgkrnl.sys
Caused By Address : dxgkrnl.sys+23f8da
File Description  : DirectX Graphics Kernel
Well, that.
You seem to have a problem where your videocard does not react to the operating system within a fashionable session. AKA, it hangs.
I also found help online suggesting to expand the atikmpag.sy_ file, but I cannot find this at all on my computer.
Do you have an ATI or AMD GPU then? As without traversing back through this thread, from the information you gave I don't know what videocard you have. If your GPU is a different one than ATI/AMD, of course you won't have this file. For Nvidia and Intel these would be the nvlddmkm.sys and igdkmd64.sys files.
2319) Message boards : The Lounge : Another unwanted "feature" update from Microsoft (Message 91813)
Posted 13 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wil have to change my nickname.
ex-Beemerbiker?
Beemerlessbiker?
Beemerbikerless?

😁
2320) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91809)
Posted 12 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Setting up a new 8 port switch together with the Asus router set up as an access point. For the moment then, until I have figured out how I want my network to be.
Glad I took a switch that I can set up, but hell was it difficult to get onto the router. In the end I just had to connect my PC directly to it and change my IP address to match it before I could do things on it. Waiting now for the AP to show up in the network.
2321) Message boards : GPUs : Request for Intel iGPU support to be a working feature again. (Message 91789)
Posted 11 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
...but wouldn't it be better and safer for BOINC to support this new reality, rather than require manual graphics driver installation?
?? How would BOINC be able to detect your GPU without drivers? Do you know what drivers are? They are pieces of software that help the hardware talk to the operating system and vice versa. Without drivers, your Windows wouldn't even know there was a GPU there. And you want that built into BOINC? Aside from proprietary problems, do you know how big this would make the BOINC installer? Given that a bit of AMD and Nvidia driver is already 350-450 MB big, Intel drivers are in that category as well. That makes the BOINC installer well over a gigabyte in size. Who's going to download that?

And even then, that requires several reboots, 1 per driver installation. I don't think many people will use the software then.
It's not just one dynamic linked library that's needed here, the library has to be known to the operating system as well before BOINC can work with it. Therefore you need the whole driver package. And those can best be gotten from the manufacturer of the GPU. That's because Microsoft will drop things like CUDA, OpenCL, Vulkan, Metal from the drivers where it sees fit, or if they allow it it may be an older version that's not optimized for newer hardware.

Oh, and the updated iGPU drivers install automatically via Windows Update. So there's that, too.
Then disable Windows Update Automatic Driver Downloads: https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/disable-automatic-driver-downloads-on-windows-10
2322) Message boards : GPUs : Request for Intel iGPU support to be a working feature again. (Message 91786)
Posted 10 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rule of thumb is never to use Windows Update for driver updates for GPGPU things. It may be fine for gaming, but general purpose GPU requires additional packages that Microsoft may not provide via Windows Update, because they are open source, because they clash with their own versions of it, or whatever their reason is. So always use the drivers from the GPU manufacturer's page. In this case Intel: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/80939/Graphics-Drivers
2323) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager impossible to uninstall (Message 91783)
Posted 9 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed
2324) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager impossible to uninstall (Message 91776)
Posted 9 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The "{DF85BFC4-9509-4AA9-824A-5C6057FA8459}" number is a random number generated by the installer upon installation of BOINC. You will never ever get it again once used. So don't stare yourself blind on that. The FAQ I pointed to has manual steps to remove all the groups, files and registry information about BOINC. Follow that.
2325) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager impossible to uninstall (Message 91773)
Posted 9 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
See https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_do_I_completely_uninstall_BOINC_6_and_7,_on_Windows_/_Uninstall_to_prepare_for_reinstall%3F for how to do this manually. If a repair installation really doesn't work.
2326) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed, error 0xc0000005 (Message 91772)
Posted 9 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rule of thumb is never to use Windows Update for driver updates for GPGPU things. It may be fine for gaming, but general purpose GPU requires additional packages that Microsoft may not provide via Windows Update, because they are open source, because they clash with their own versions of it, or whatever their reason is. So always use the drivers from the GPU manufacturer's page. In this case Intel: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/80939/Graphics-Drivers
2327) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91768)
Posted 8 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Finally fixed that. For future reference, when met by the error The specified network provider name is invalid reinstall the network adapter you just uninstalled, and make sure that the Client for Microsoft Networks is installed on it, reboot and everything should work fine. Then instead of uninstalling the adapter, just disable it. Only took 3 hours, pah.
2328) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91766)
Posted 8 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
New modem is in, activated it and have now for the past hour been busy trying to get all computers on the network to talk to each other. Where most all just went and worked together and are seen as a network in the router, my computer ignores everything, is on its own network and while it has internet and all, it refuses to talk to the rest on the network. Am about to throw this box out the window.
2329) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed, error 0xc0000005 (Message 91761)
Posted 7 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, so the message means that BOINC cannot read what kind of OpenCL your Intel GPU supports.
It should report e.g.
x86_64 with minimum requirement of SSE 4_2````Compute Device Type: CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU``Compute Device Name: Intel(R) Kabylake Mobile Graphics Controller``Compute Device Version: OpenCL 2.1``Compute Device Driver Version: 20.19.15.9999``Compute Device OpenCL C Version: OpenCL C 2.0````Compute Device Type: CL_DEVICE_TYPE_CPU``Compute Device Name: Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0000 @ 2.60GHz``Compute Device Version: OpenCL 2.1 (Build 10245)``Compute Device Driver Version: 5.2.0.10245``Compute Device OpenCL C Version: OpenCL C 2.0
internally to BOINC - it will show part of this information at GPU detection: OpenCL version, driver version.

So definitely something wrong with your drivers.
Best install Display Driver Uninstaller and run it to remove all Intel drivers. Then install a driver, like the newest. Start BOINC, check the event log. No GPU detected? Exit BOINC, run DDU and remove the Intel drivers again (probably reboot). Then install an earlier driver. Start BOINC, check event log, is the GPU detected? Etc.

This may take a while, but it's the best you can do.
2330) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91753)
Posted 7 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Has anyone successfully used adblockers against this curse?
I don't see an orange button. Am using uMatrix as script blocker and uBlock Origin for adblocker, and I think that as long as I don't allow the 28 scripts & 4 page requests that want to run to continue to do so, that I won't be bothered with the orange ad button either. :)
2331) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91750)
Posted 7 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good news: the NAS survived. I was afraid it might've gotten a hit as well as it wasn't to be found on the network, not even after resetting it. Powering down and back up fixed that. It's only on the wired network, thus on the Asus router. Which means we can't use it really, because Windows 7 doesn't like it when both wireless and wired networks are used simultaneouslty, heck even the Linux H. uses doesn't like that. But at least I sleep better now, knowing the NAS still lives, as do all hard drives in it. All 8TB of data is safe.
2332) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed, error 0xc0000005 (Message 91746)
Posted 6 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thanks for that. The error requires me to dig through the source code, which I'll do tomorrow (it's 11pm here).
I'll be back on this.
2333) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed, error 0xc0000005 (Message 91744)
Posted 6 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please open BOINC Manager, then press CTRL+SHIFT+F.
In the window that opens check coproc_debug and click Save.
Now exit BOINC & restart it in your normal way.

When you now check the event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) it'll have more information about the coprocessor/GPU. Could you post that event log, please?
2334) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91742)
Posted 6 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the moment, the Asus router is off line again. Instead I've bought two Wifi/USB TP-Link W812n adapters and got two systems connected via those. The other one (my system) uses the old Netgear W111v2, at least we have connections to the internet. Not good for gaming, but we can stream Youtube and Netflix. As long as a certain person doesn't hog all bandwidth with her downloads. :)
2335) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91740)
Posted 6 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
A lightning strike some 40 yards away from me took out my modem last night. I have partial WiFi but all hardwired ports are non-functional. My ISP is sending me a new modem, which can take several days.

Because of that setup that means I have no network either, can't reach the NAS. So I am setting up a new Asus router which is fighting me tooth and nail.
2336) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Project going offline tomorrow Wednesday 29th May (15:30 UK time) (Message 91739)
Posted 6 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi All,

This upgrade work has now completed and the project is back online again.

Best regards,

Andy
2337) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed, error 0xc0000005 (Message 91716)
Posted 5 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Non-detection of GPUs is almost always caused by lack of correct drivers, a problem with the newest drivers (try older ones) or Windows installing its own drivers which may lack required components.

Reinstalling BOINC only removes the program and puts it back in the directory. It won't change how hardware is detected.
2338) Message boards : Questions and problems : green screen death when using my GPU no message computer then crashes. (Message 91688)
Posted 2 Jun 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Download and install Bluescreenview from https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html and it'll tell you what the last BSOD said.
2339) Message boards : Questions and problems : Download hang - World Community Grid (Message 91670)
Posted 30 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doesn't WCG use HTTPS for all its connections?
2340) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Project going offline tomorrow Wednesday 29th May (15:30 UK time) (Message 91653)
Posted 28 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi All,


The main CPDN project will be taken offline tomorrow, Wednesday 29th May, at 15:30 (UK time). This is in order to perform an upgrade of backend server code. This offline period will last for up to a week. This is in order to allow time for a dump of the database to take place and sufficient time for rollback to take place (if necessary).

Best regards,

Andy
2341) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91644)
Posted 27 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll ask Eric for an extra long one then, perhaps that he can trip over the power lead on the way out...
2342) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 91642)
Posted 27 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, at the time of posting that (look at the date) all we had to go on were possible CPUs and leaks. Only today has it come out that the 3700X is an 8 core, 16 threads CPU.
2343) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 91640)
Posted 27 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doing away with the VII and will add a Navi RX 5X00 card: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14412/amd-teases-first-navi-gpu-products-rx-5700-series-in-july-25-improved-perf
2344) Message boards : Projects : tired of "just exclude boinc folder from virus scan" (Message 91638)
Posted 26 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The projects need to step up and work with the antivirus folks.
You apparently think there are only a handful of antivirus developers and products. There aren't. This Wikipedia page shows a lot of products and developers. Virustotal.com scans files through 70 antivirus products. Neither BOINC nor the projects have time (or money) to develop, test and retest (every time a bit of code changes) such an option, and therefore it is far easier for you to tell your AV product not to scan the BOINC data directory.
2345) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91619)
Posted 25 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
She kissed me. Yesterday. She was drunk though so it doesn't really count. Still. 😮😐
2346) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91606)
Posted 22 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now semi-official that Isa isn't coming along with me. At least not for the full time, but she's thinking about the week around my birthday.
Also, I'm now thinking of having the party in or around Salisbury. Might be easier for people to get to. And I don't know, maybe Richard wants to have me over for a couple more days, so I can see what the moor looks like without freezing my face off. :)

Oh... after the whole fight thing and such with Isa, she's now my best friend. Not just that, but this afternoon she said she wants to be my girlfriend but that that's not going to happen as long as Holly (my ex) is still living with me. She first has to move out before Isa wants the romantic friendship. So, no rush then. :P
2347) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager opens when restarting computer (Message 91595)
Posted 21 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've tried going to Options/Other Options and I don't see the option to start BOINC running minimized to the tray any longer. Did it move?

Options->Other options->Run Manager at login?
2348) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91591)
Posted 21 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Luckily Jord isn't much on the Seti forums these days, and certainly not with long-winded posts. Too busy beating the EP and DC in Cyrodill. Used Volendrung yesterday as the first person killing another PVP'ers character with it. Was fun. Was probably also the last time I will ever see the thing.
2349) Message boards : Questions and problems : Add Project fields are empty? (Message 91525)
Posted 16 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure the client is running, because if it isn't, the manager (the GUI) won't populate those fields.
2350) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91483)
Posted 14 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Methinks Jord is starting to miss the smell of burning hair.
Nah, got it in a can these days, can spray it when needed. Here.
2351) Message boards : The Lounge : acknowledgement letter (Message 91463)
Posted 10 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, Seti@Home is them: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
We're BOINC.
2352) Message boards : The Lounge : acknowledgement letter (Message 91458)
Posted 10 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti@home is under seti institute coordonation?
No, Seti@Home is an entity on its own. There is more than one Seti out there, some for profit, other non-profit.
...and The Guy with artefact seti?
What, Giorgo A. Tsoukalos? He works for his own, but can be seen in Ancient Aliens on the History Channel.
2353) Message boards : GPUs : radeon R7 240 -- ubuntu 18.04 -- boinc not computing on it (Message 91454)
Posted 9 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best tell how you installed the drivers, and if you restarted the client after that.
2354) Message boards : BOINC client : WSL2 on Windows 10 (Message 91453)
Posted 9 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
But not all use Windows 10 which is the only Windows with WSL included. So if BOINC were to dump VirtualBox in favour of the VM in W10, we'd be telling everyone that older Windows versions are no longer welcome.

Aside from that, even on Linux/MacOS some projects require VirtualBox because they like to send their own Linux version to run their apps on.
2355) Message boards : GPUs : radeon R7 240 -- ubuntu 18.04 -- boinc not computing on it (Message 91449)
Posted 9 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even if you would be able to install the Mesa drivers correctly and have BOINC recognize your GPU that way, it cannot be used as as far as I know, none of the projects use Mesa to build their applications and the standard Khronos OpenCL is not compatible with Mesa's OpenCL.
2356) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 91436)
Posted 8 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have decided to wait for Ryzen gen 3 to be released, and then get a new motherboard with PCIe 4.0 on it and the 7nm 12 core, 24 thread Ryzen 7 3700X.
2357) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91423)
Posted 7 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dusts off the thread, the floor and the general manager. It's gonna happen again soon! Make ready for the influx of moon burners and hail wailers.
2358) Message boards : Questions and problems : AMD drivers taking too long to load: How to delay BOINC startup? (Message 91418)
Posted 7 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, Windows Task Scheduler.

Start Task Scheduler->Create Task

General: name BOINC
Security Options: When running the task, use the following user account *the account you normally use to run BOINC with*
Run only when user is logged on
Configure for: Windows N (your version)

Triggers
New
Begin the task: At startup
Delay task for: set a time, you can use presets but also state your own. Example given: 7 minutes.
Check 'Enabled'

Actions
New
Action: Start a program
Program/script: "D:\ProgramFiles\Boinc\boinc.exe" --detach --allow_remote_gui_rpc

And that should be it... OK/Save changes.
2359) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen name. (Message 91417)
Posted 7 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, these forums don't have a GDPR compliance policy, since they run from a Berkeley server.
2360) Message boards : Questions and problems : AMD drivers taking too long to load: How to delay BOINC startup? (Message 91413)
Posted 7 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use Windows Task Manager to delay start any program.

If not figured out later, I will write a how to from my PC, am on my phone right now.
2361) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 91406)
Posted 6 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Been making a couple of small changes to the systems at hand and am now a bit flabbergasted as the price between the systems is now €100,-
That makes it difficult to choose.

AMD now has: Ryzen 2600X, ASRock X470 Master SLI -> €2,383.4
Intel no has: Intel i5-9600K, ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming SLI -> €2,483.40

The rest on both is: Seasonic PRIME Ultra 850W Titanium, 850 Watt; Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C White TG tower; Seagate IronWolf, 8 TB HDD; ADATA XPG Gammix S11 Pro, 1 TB SSD; ASRock Phantom Gaming X Radeon VII 16GB; G.Skill 32 GB DDR4-3200 Kit; NZXT Kraken X62 AM4 ready water cooling; Windows 10 Pro.
2362) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91386)
Posted 5 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stupid Booking.com
I was reserving my room at the same B&B I stayed my last week in March. The site allows for three payment options: immediate, at a later date and at the site. But for that it would not allow me to choose anything other than pay immediately! All other options steered me back to the payment options. Sigh. Okay, I will pay now. I get it.
2363) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91377)
Posted 4 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The next visit to the Ross Revenge is set. Saturday September 21st, 2pm. Fingers crossed this time the weather plays nice.
Isa and I are good again, but her coming along is now a maybe, because of her mum going on vacation in about the same time frame.
Our relationship is a complicated one, but when everything's good between us everything's really good. When it's not, well, best hide. But so far we've come out of all our differences stronger than before. And we had some things between us that would've destroyed the friendship between other (normal?) people. So I guess we're doing all right. :)
2364) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91371)
Posted 4 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mozilla forgot to renew one of their signing certs, which now tells that all your extensions are unsigned. They're working on a solution...
2365) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen name. (Message 91339)
Posted 2 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Account > Other account info will allow you to change your screen name.
2366) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91334)
Posted 1 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
However setting hail onto fire is very different task - get a wind machine, a load of finely crushed ice and a BIG fire. Point the wind machine at the fire and turn it on then throw the crushed ice into the downstream side of the wind machine and watch the fun :-)
Let's do that next time I come visit you. Will wake up that marina you're in. :)
2367) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 91333)
Posted 1 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rowland Gould, 64, ex-guitarist of Level 42
2368) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91329)
Posted 1 May 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now I wonder what that smells like. Can someone set some hail on fire please?
I actually have been in a room where someone accidentally set their hair on fire with a candle. Its not a good smell, even though only a little bit of it was burned. Happy Tuesday everyone!
But I was asking about setting hail on fire, not hair. :)
2369) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91277)
Posted 30 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just said goodbye to my other cat friend as well. Twiggles has survived her sister Wokkel by a good two months, but things were really going downhill for her these past days. Brought her to the vet and had to say my goodbyes. She's to be cremated and her ashes sprinkled in the same place her sister's were.

Bye dear friend. I'm going to miss you. 😢
2370) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.14.2 and 7.12.1 both fail to get work units on very fast systems (Message 91253)
Posted 29 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Read it. But am still sure that problem is not with the supply of the work.
When I look at
https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/server_status.php it says at the bottom Task data as of 29 Apr 2019, 10:41:21 UTC. That's about 20 minutes ago. A LOT can change in 20 minutes, so it now showing to have 11683 tasks RTS means that they were that number at 10:41:21 UTC, not now. Aside from that, even if that number is a constant 11K+, you still don't know how many tasks were in the feeder at the given moment your client asked for work. If there were none, or way fewer than you're asking for, it won't give you work.

Perhaps we need an average feeder number on the SSP?
2371) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91248)
Posted 29 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good news. My new diet of solely vegetables, getting my carbohydrates out of said vegs as well, is a success. I started on the 18th of April and have so far lost 12 kilos. I will certainly keep this up for another couple of days before I switch to a normal diet for a week. Then after that week it's back to the salads. My end goal is to lose 40 kilos.

What vegetables do I eat then? A salad of leak, spinach, corn, cucumber, cabbage, radishes, paprika, green beans, peas, carrots, lettuce, beets, onion, pine nuts, strawberries and goat's cheese sprinkled with some apple vinegar.

I drink only water, 2.5 - 3 liters per day. And yes, walk a lot to the toilet to get rid of all those fluids. :)
Just to make sure I don't lose out on vitamins, I take a multivitamin a day and one extra magnesium tablet.

I also make a lot of miles, walk a good 6,000 - 12,000 steps per day. I have an extra incentive of wanting to have an average of 6,600 steps this month. I'm presently at 6,900 (with two days to go) :)
2372) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 91228)
Posted 27 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ha, vindicated!
"You don't have to touch anything, it's all set to go, just turn on the left tap"... right... huh?! :-)

Thanks Uli! I owe you one!
2373) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91222)
Posted 26 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the latest news, I offered to bring her and her daughter to the hospital as we originally had agreed upon. She's taken it and thanked me for it. So I guess everything's all right between us. Still, baby steps and taking it easy.
2374) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91219)
Posted 25 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah no, let's not start with "what if's", because we all have similar stories I bet. I sure do. The last woman I was totally smitten with eventually told me years later she was that with me as well, but because I drank so much she never wanted anything to do with me. If only she'd told me then... and of course I drank so much because I didn't know how to talk to her. :-/

I've just done the ultra-crazy thing. I've ordered the ferry tickets already, for both Isa and me. I did add the up to 24 hours before cancellation option, I'm not that super-ultra-crazy. :)
Still 5.5 months to go, for now I feel it'll be all right.
2375) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 91215)
Posted 25 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better than here where a CD I had ordered and that was supposed to have arrived yesterday still has to make an appearance. Emailing the distributor has so far given only silence on the line. I think I just lost 22 euros.
2376) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91213)
Posted 25 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It gets weirder. In the end she didn't block me, had just had her phone turned off or something. Yesterday I asked her if she was still mad at me and how her eye was. Only got an answer that her eye was fine. So yeah. But today she started talking to me. Small words. We're not fine yet but we're apparently no longer at Defcon 1 either.

I know she hates talks, but we really need one. Just her and me, because when you call someone in anger and you tell them you're going to block them, tell them you're going to cast them out of your life, then hang up... then you don't call back 5 minutes later for a new and even longer tirade about the same thing. I believe she loves me but is afraid to acknowledge that to herself. It doesn't help me that I do love her.
2377) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 91211)
Posted 25 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ken Kercheval, 83, American actor (Dallas, The Love Boat, Murder, She Wrote, ER)
2378) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91208)
Posted 24 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That flick have Smellovision™?
2379) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91204)
Posted 24 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
the smell of burning hail
Now I wonder what that smells like. Can someone set some hail on fire please?
2380) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91190)
Posted 24 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I scratched out the last part of my earlier message because things are looking dire. Last week I did something stupid, I wrote my name on the cast around the forearm of Isa's daughter, when no one else had done so.

This was an oversight on my part, but apparently a breakpoint for her. She's thrown me out of her life, blocked me on her phone etc. This woman is crazy. A friend of hers hits her in the eye, twice, but they're still friends. I do something stupid and I am cast out.

Well, her loss.
2381) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Suspending computation - no recent user activity" Problem (Message 91157)
Posted 20 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I UPDATE the PROJECT from the BOINC Manager, is that good enough to make sure the machine has read the preferences from the web?
Yes
2382) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Suspending computation - no recent user activity" Problem (Message 91154)
Posted 20 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Venue is an issue when you change preferences in another one than the machine with the problem is running in. You have to change the preferences in the venue/location of the problematic PC and then make sure it reads those preferences from that project to make sure it's got them. Not all preferences are set via BOINC Manager, some are still set via the web site, this being one of them.
2383) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Suspending computation - no recent user activity" Problem (Message 91152)
Posted 19 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
My apologies, the "Suspend when no mouse/keyboard input in last N minutes" option is only available on the website preferences.
So here make sure you change it in the correct venue/location for that computer.

I say that because your global_prefs.xml file shows:
<suspend_if_no_recent_input>0.0</suspend_if_no_recent_input>
<suspend_cpu_usage>25.0</suspend_cpu_usage>
for the default venue, but:
<suspend_if_no_recent_input>3.0</suspend_if_no_recent_input>
<suspend_cpu_usage>25.0</suspend_cpu_usage>
for the Home venue.

You can check the computer's location by picking it from https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php, going into its details, then scrolling down to Location.
2384) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Suspending computation - no recent user activity" Problem (Message 91150)
Posted 19 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post the contents of the global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml files from your BOINC data directory.
2385) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Suspending computation - no recent user activity" Problem (Message 91143)
Posted 18 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's an option in the computing preferences called "Suspend when no mouse/keyboard input in last N minutes". Set this to --- or 0 to disable it. This is causing the message you see.
2386) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Limit Work By CPU Core Temperature (Message 91136)
Posted 18 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
45-65C isn't really too warm for an i7 under load. Depending on the model and method of cooling (air or water), amount of fans used and if these are aftermarket or stock, temperatures for an i7 under sustained load go in the high 70s to low 90s.
2387) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91122)
Posted 16 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I noticed these boards had their outage as well. Sorry I'm not much around, but there are many things happening in my life right now which cause me to be away from my home. Good things, only good things.
2388) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 91099)
Posted 15 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The first dates range is 20-09 -> 06-10, but I am already contemplating of making it a full three weeks ordeal, 18-09 -> 10-10.
The dates are going to be 18-09 --> 10-10, and as it now looks I will not be coming alone. Asked Isa early this time and she said yes. Just there, she didn't even have to think about it. So yes, I am very happy.
2389) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 91044)
Posted 11 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congratulations Brits on the new Brexit date: October 31st. Means another vacation I will have where everyone asks me how that will go.😉😂
2390) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 91033)
Posted 10 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The world as we know it, is about to end :-)
Good, as my time to reign is about to start, Mwhahahahahaha!
2391) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90998)
Posted 9 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mine just got extended to 19:00 UTC. Fun!
2392) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90984)
Posted 9 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like the game that I play: The Elderscrolls Online, although its servers are offline 08.00 UTC till 16.00 UTC.
2393) Message boards : The Lounge : Contemplation (Message 90977)
Posted 7 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm in the market for a new system, a new PC, a new gaming machine. I won't run BOINC on it, that's done solely on the Android devices I have scattered around that are compatible. My present Intel i5-3470 with Radeon RX470 - 8GB and Windows 7 x64 is certainly not too old for many games, but there are games out there that require a 4th generation Intel iCPU and better videocards.

So, I have been looking around and building, virtually, my dream systems.
In AMD that'll be an
- Asus Prime X470-Pro socket AM4 motherboard
- AMD Ryzen 5 2600X CPU

In Intel that'll be an
- Asrock Z390 Taichi Ultimate motherboard
- Intel i5-9600K CPU

Both will further consist of:
- Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360R RGB water cooling
- 32GB Corsair DDR4-2666, white
- Asrock Phantom Gaming X Radeon VII 16GB GPU
- Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C White TG Tower case
- Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850W fully modular PSU
- 1x Adata XPG Gammix S11 Pro 1TB M.2 SSD
- 1x Seagate Barracuda 8TB HDD
- Windows 10 x64 Pro

The AMD system comes out at €2250,40
The Intel system comes out at €2470,40

So just €220,- between them.

Now to figure out which of the two to order... Advice?
2394) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90952)
Posted 6 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Trying to load http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html results in a forever load. Nothing happens, no error message either.
2395) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90938)
Posted 6 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Some corner of the internet is kinked!

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at setiathome.berkeley.edu.
BOINC: 06/04/2019 15:32:10 | SETI@home | Server can't open database

So welcome all... make yourself at home, this may take a while.
2396) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to the core client from different computers (Message 90932)
Posted 5 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
To be able to help you we need more information. In the least which operating system(s) you're working on.
And did you check that the client is actually running?

Is BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Options->Other Options->Run the client checked?
2397) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90915)
Posted 3 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not for me, I can cruise around Number Crunching as I type this.
2398) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90913)
Posted 3 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPS users beware: "The legacy GPS navigation message has a ten (10) bit parameter that represents Week Number (WN). Thus, the WN parameter in the GPS navigation message “rolls over” to zero every 1024weeks starting from 0000Z January 6, 1980. The next WN rollover will occur April 6, 2019."
From the Homeland Security of the US Govt (PDF). So watch out when you drive this weekend, you could end up elsewhere than you expected. ;-)
2399) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90897)
Posted 2 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
they gave me this huge 4 wheel drive giant jeep thing. I went from riding close to the road to way up in the air. I need a ladder to get into this thing.
Reminiscent of Richard Hammond getting into his souped up Chevrolet C/K Silverado truck in one of the recent episodes of The Grand Tour.
2400) Message boards : Projects : There are NO health/biology projects for Raspberri Pi systems (Message 90863)
Posted 1 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not that these ARM processors are slow per se, but they're hampered by the design and what the device manufacturer puts on as operating system.

I have two devices here that have a fast 64bit CPU in them but since the Android on it is 32bit, and it lacks the 32bit libraries to run stuff on a 64bit CPU, they're practically useless. Or they run SDK < 26, which is the bare minimum these days for applications distributed via the Google Play Store.
Aside from that, even if I could run these full bore, they have no way to get rid of all that heat in a sufficient way. Although my other two devices now have a 140mm fan standing next to them that blows cool air over them.
2401) Message boards : Questions and problems : PC shutting down when Boinc Manager is on (Message 90858)
Posted 1 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's the BOINC client that does the work, by running various tasks from various projects.
Nitpicking, it's not the BOINC client either that does the heavy lifting, but the project's science applications. :)
2402) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90854)
Posted 1 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tania Mallet, 77, British model and actress (Bond girl in Goldfinger)
2403) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 90851)
Posted 1 Apr 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
So after an English breakfast, having negotiated the English roads with English drivers, sitting on an English beach, surrounded by my two English friends who turned up, you tell me I have to submit myself to their English way of throwing a party? I'd best get to like Marmite crisps then. 😰🤢🤮😞😬😊
2404) Message boards : The Lounge : That traveling Dutchman is coming back to Britain and is no longer going to Germany (Message 90844)
Posted 31 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yep, the dates are set, although not in concrete. I will be coming back to the British Isles at the end of Summer, start of Autumn.
The first dates range is 20-09 -> 06-10, but I am already contemplating of making it a full three weeks ordeal, 18-09 -> 10-10.
Will be visiting Wales, Devon and Cornwall and no matter what else, at least be meeting Annie. Perhaps pass by on Rob again, if he wants to have me and wants to share me with the mosquitoes.

There's also that special date/day 02-10, where I turn 50. It's not a date that I want to celebrate in The Netherlands, but rather be with some friends on a beach in sunny Cornwall. It's got to be sunnier than my past ordeal. And Brexit, oh well, that's past then so things will probably be even cheaper. :)

So go on, post in this thread if you want to come celebrate my 50th birthday. We'll figure something out.
Andy, this time you're not off the hook! :-)
2405) Message boards : Questions and problems : Password paste disabled? (Message 90842)
Posted 31 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, password managers' auto-filling in the password only works directly on browsers, not on individual programs.
With that said, you should be able to copy your password to clipboard using Command+C (CTRL+C) and from clipboard into the client, using the Command+V (CTRL+V) command. It works for me with Keepass on Windows, just tested that.
2406) Message boards : Teams : How Do You Join a Team (Message 90838)
Posted 31 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC Wide Team is a team description page that will be imported by BOINC projects, so you have to make or edit the team just once. People can join the team at the project in the normal way.

As has been said, we don't have teams. There are no credits to be had here, so no need for teams. That you can still find them is because, since we use the normal BOINC backend software, we had them in the past, they're just deactivated. Afaik you cannot join them, edit them or do anything else with them.
2407) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90825)
Posted 28 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The new dates, as he's coming back, are 20 September to 6 October 2019. But that'll be a new thread in due time. Places to go to, back to Wales and then down south to Devon, Cornwall.
2408) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90819)
Posted 27 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've had the good fortune of coming across Richard a few times :)
You call that good fortune?
*fix eyes on Rob* but not Rob... yet :)
I'll take you to him in September, promised.
2409) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90813)
Posted 26 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
War, war never changes. Just been busy for two and a half hours to try to take over one keep in Cyrodill. We failed.
Was fun though.
2410) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90800)
Posted 26 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me puts the beer nuts, unsalted peanuts, bread sticks, cheese sticks, Marmite chips (uh?), Salt & Vinegar chips and the BBQ Pulled Pork chips on the bar.

Anything else?
2411) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90793)
Posted 25 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
My internet provider is increasing the speeds again, I'll be returning to 250Mbit down, 25Mbit up in April. The speeds I used to pay 30 euro a month more for than I do now. 👍
2412) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90773)
Posted 22 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congrats to all Brits with the delayed Brexit. Not that it matters in the end, as your MPs still do what they want, not what you want. Remain! Leave!
2413) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINCfast.exe (Message 90772)
Posted 22 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you ask resembles an account manager.

GridRepublic is the account manager that will let you add which projects to run and then downloads the World Community Grid BOINC (as far as I know, this may have changed) with that/those projects already added. This uses a user account, one that has to be set up by the user.

Another option is to use Science United, another account manager that you tell in broad ways what you want to run and it downloads BOINC with the project(s) added that you chose the science for. SU runs with anonymous accounts. No user input to make the account is necessary.
2414) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc manager not honoring "Suspend GPU computing when ...." (Message 90741)
Posted 18 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check that Activity is set to "run based on preferences".
2415) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90739)
Posted 18 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've safely returned home, just in time for tomorrow's outage. Should remember to reactivate BOINC, as I had it suspended.

Cheers all.
2416) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90734)
Posted 18 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
So far no collision with icebergs, exploding underwater volcanoes, left over sea mines, freak waves or anything else nefarious.

We're about half way, in another three hours I can drop into the heavy traffic due to strikes, possible terrorist attacks and let's not forget the weather.

While the sea is now as smooth as a baby's bottom, the wind is picking up, some bigger waves pass now and then, there's froth on some waves and the dark and ominous clouds on the horizon to the west tell me I may expect water from above before I am home.

Time for lunch.
See you all tomorrow.
2417) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90732)
Posted 18 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny Brits.
Here in Harwich harbour there's free WiFi for everyone. At least, for everyone with a British mobile phone number. Any other number cannot participate. So the O2 free WiFi for everyone is not for everyone. 😂
2418) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90731)
Posted 18 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lesson learned for next time, check check-in time before departing bed. Have to wait two and a half hours in harbour before check-in starts. I hope my bladder can cope....
2419) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90730)
Posted 18 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Three thirty, last cup of tea in England. 👋
2420) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90722)
Posted 17 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right everyone, it's time for me to leave the English islands. I will be taking the weather with me, you'll have much better weather from Tuesday onwards, promised.

Thank you Richard and Rob for your hospitality, it was fun.
Thank you Annie for the laughs and cries.
Thank you Tim for the four hours of talking pirate radio, politics and other stuff.
Thank you Julie for the beautiful B&B (Woodview, Birch, Essex) and stuffing me with an English breakfast each morning.
Thank you Ernie for showing me how many things a parrot can say. At least you know my name now. 😁

Not so much thanks to those who took care of the weather. You do better when I return end of the year...
🙄
2421) Message boards : The Lounge : These may not be with us long. (Message 90720)
Posted 17 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Giving you another cuddle.
2422) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90719)
Posted 17 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enjoy it while you can! Since you're reading and reacting here, you'll probably get my 'luck' which includes that fabulous weather. 😜
2423) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90713)
Posted 17 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
To complete the mess, hail and sleet are now falling. It got really cold as well. That's one heck of a "git out" you've ordered. I can't leave yet, have to wait for the right ferry. But promise I will drive to Harwich at 4am.
2424) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90708)
Posted 16 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The trip to the radioship Ross Revenge of Radio Caroline has been cancelled due to the weather, or more like the waves. The latest forecast for the duration of trips tomorrow would make it unsafe to go alongside Ross Revenge and transfer visitors between the tender and the ship.

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
2425) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90695)
Posted 14 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least I will be meeting Radio Caroline DJ Tim Charles tomorrow (I know his real name now as well, but will stick with his radio name). We'll meet at that gigantic Sainsbury's in Stanway.

I did some shopping there, did 2,300 steps in the shop alone. If you think "what's big?", they have 57 cash registers...

Every store in that town needs to be big, it seems. The Co-Op has its own clothing & electric appliances ranges in the store. At least gasoline was cheap, £1.17/liter.

And yes, that is cheap. That's €1,29, while I would pay €1,54 at the cheap pumps in the Netherlands, €1,80 on the motorway. So don't complain that these are high prices!
2426) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90690)
Posted 14 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would have had an appointment with Annie today but due to unforeseen circumstances we're cancelling that. Next time we'll do a double, Ann. You're in my thoughts.
2427) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90682)
Posted 12 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've never emptied a party that quickly
You're hired. Everyone, we have a new party closer & bouncer!
2428) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90671)
Posted 12 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I arrived at my next place fine. Wifi is non-existent here, even data is hit&miss. But the ground is solid and doesn't sway. Only the ceiling is low on door openings, so hit my head already.

Been to Stanway and found what they say is the biggest Sainsbury in the world. I believe them. 54 cash registers. I got totally lost in that store. If you want choice of microwave dinners, there are 6 ailes to cater for you.

Anyway, my new place is at the back end of nowhere, but it has a parrot. So I have something to talk to at night.

Quite tired after the drive over, much of which was done from within a waterfall. I found myself on the right (wrong) side of the road in the village here. Time to get some sleep.
2429) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90659)
Posted 12 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congratulations! The World Wide Web celebrates its 30th birthday today. https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/11/18260449/world-wide-web-www-anniversary-tim-berners-lee-internet
2430) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90655)
Posted 12 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanking Rob for his hospitality and trust to leave me alone on his boat. I had a great time here, with and without you. 😃

I see I am just in time to get away from here, as storm Gareth moves in. It is already chopier tonight than it has been the past days, so Nessie is swaying a bit more. But I hope that I am used to it now and will not have that trouble again tomorrow. 😨😰🤢🤮

Time to get 💤💤
2431) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90651)
Posted 11 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Putting the show on the road again, I'll be leaving for Birch, Essex tomorrow. Have found a place to stay and so will make that my base of operations for other meets.
2432) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90648)
Posted 11 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Was that before the tube train came there? 😒
2433) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90643)
Posted 10 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got the place all to myself tonight and tomorrow. Rob is off to a job. It's snowing now and then, but I won't let that faze me. Today on my crisscross trip through the backlands here I managed to get to within three miles of Wales. Going back there tomorrow.

The weather is expected to be stormy, cold with wintery spells. So fun! 😋
2434) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90640)
Posted 10 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Phew. I think I told you that would happen. Thank deities!
2435) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90638)
Posted 10 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got to Rob safely yesterday, who immediately took me on a walk to the next door town. Now, some of Stone's houses may lie within spitting distance to the marina, but that doesn't mean that its town center is. So, half an hour later, growling from hunger, I had a tosti with sausage for an eye watering £4.50 at the local M&S. From there to actual town was three minutes. End of the day had me another 12k steps done...

Slept okay, despite me being larger than the bed. Another boat, another adventure, more swaying. And this morning my first HOT shower in a week! What a pleasure!

So, now going to drive around a little, get my bearings. First see if I can get off of this secure parking as the electronic lock is on the other side of where mt steering wheel is.
2436) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90631)
Posted 8 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jan-Michael Vincent, 74, American actor (Stringfellow Hawke in 80s tv series Airwolf)
2437) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90630)
Posted 8 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wasn't sleeping, but on the phone with Annie. I didn't immediately see what you brought in as I wasn't wearing my glasses, but would've thanked you there and then if I'd known that was it.👍🤟👏
2438) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90628)
Posted 8 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, if only Annie would pick up her phone when I call her, but apparently she's busy elsewhere. I'll try again later.
Annie called me a moment ago, everything is - within reason - all right. She does have trouble with her landline, but the mobile(s) is (are) working fine.

For the moment it looks like we'll meet on Thursday, although she let drop she hasn't been in Wales for absolute ages, and I'll be in the neighborhood, so perhaps I'll have to do a cross country drive to pick her up and take her back with me. Which I would totally do. Just holler, Ann. 🤩😁
2439) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90625)
Posted 8 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
See? Sabotage!
2440) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90620)
Posted 8 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do hope your shower works for visitors as well. Richard says his shower works, but for me it only does cold, very cold and ice cold. This while the faucet on the sink does give hot water. So I suspect sabotage. 🙄😒😤😟🤪😵😠
2441) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90616)
Posted 7 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh yeah, the stories to tell... Now, if only Annie would pick up her phone when I call her, but apparently she's busy elsewhere. I'll try again later.
2442) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90608)
Posted 6 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've just decided to continue my trek. Friday or Saturday I'll continue down south, if Rob still wants to have me for a day, I'll go there. Maybe visit Wales.

One of the Radio Caroline DJs that I have been emailing with for years has just contacted me that he's in for a meeting, so I will try to arrange that. Hope he can come to this side of the Thames though.

So thanks to Richard for the hospitality, but the traveling beard must continue.
2443) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90591)
Posted 6 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
So glad I have a life.
2444) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90509)
Posted 5 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mostly sunny so far, only had a bit of rain down that hill into town. Richard has taken me on a long walk, I suspect he wants to dump me somewhere, but too bad for him, I have navigation on my phone. 😁
2445) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90500)
Posted 4 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jees boat, stop doing that! We're sailing through windforce 8 waves, at an angle, so we're doing a clockwise circle of going up and down with a left to right sway.
Fine if you sit, but not fine when your bed makes that movement!

So far no problems, we're going to be early even.
2446) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90491)
Posted 4 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Keith Flint, 49, British vocalist with the Prodigy (Firestarter, Breathe)
2447) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90490)
Posted 4 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Couple of trees have fallen onto the road on the route I chose to go to my ferry. I am monitoring the news to see when they are cleared. Several trucks with lost cargo, one with its cabin roof blown off, not the usual Monday morning traffic jams. 🤔😲
2448) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90484)
Posted 3 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's fine with me. There are still other moderators around. They'll have no qualms to kick all the mice who want to be unruly. 😁

(Those emojis are from my phone, these work without the img tags. Cool.)
2449) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90482)
Posted 3 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well. Just seen the Kiev (Ukraine) artist for the Eurovision Song Festival. These people won. But they're not coming. Too bad as they were certainly going to bring the ESF back to Kiev. NSFW by the way, probably not for little kids either.
2450) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90481)
Posted 3 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fully packed, 1 suitcase, two smaller backpacks, loose shoes and a bodywarmer. I will probably have over-packed, but can't be bothered as I'm not coming by plane. 25 hours until the boat sets out.
Apparently Richard has managed to whip up a bit of a storm in between, which is dying out tomorrow afternoon as I drive towards the ferry. Thanks! :)
Edit: as a thank you I'll bring you rookworst.

Heb er zin in. Kannie wachten.
I won't be moderating these forums during my time away, btw. Have my logins and all, but can't really be bothered.
2451) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90473)
Posted 3 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
David told me: "The database is down. I tried to restart it, but it didn't work. Hopefully Eric or Jeff can fix it tomorrow."
So it won't be back today.
2452) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90471)
Posted 3 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Running two 4K monitors, the AOC 32" with DVI, DP and HDMI connectors (1.4 and 2.1), the Samsung 28" with DP and HDMI (1.4 and 2.1) connectors.
You don't really need 4K (3840x2160) because it'll make everything on your Windows desktop illegibly small. For which you have to compensate by making text and icons bigger, after which any gadgets won't show.
Plus gaming in 4K is just unnecessary and needs a very beefy CPU & GPU to pay off. :)
2453) Message boards : Promotion : How about making it easier to Crunch on Cellphones (Message 90470)
Posted 3 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Of course it doesn't help if these modern Android versions are 32bit running on a 64bit CPU. Because then you automatically get 32bit apps sent to you, which don't run well on 64bit hardware. It would be nice if the Android device manufacturers were consequent and honest and just send 64bit OS along with all 64bit hardware. Now you won't find out about it until well after you bought the thing and then you have to run some third party software to find out about the bitness of your OS as the OS itself doesn't tell you!

I know, I've been bit by it with the Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.5" (2018) version with Android 8.1 - 32bit, and with BOINC checking the EABI version, it gets sent the old 32bit applications which go bust because the correct 32bit drivers aren't loaded for the CPU.
But nowhere in the wide world will you find that when you buy a Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.5 inch (2018) with Android 8.1 that that Android 8.1 is only 32bit, apparently no one knows about it or everyone assumes it's 64bit. That combined with Samsung formatting the user space in FAT32, so you can at max send one 4GB file over, or at max a bunch of files at 4GB... just crazy.

I'm waiting for XDA-Developers to come up with a good ROM and then I'll switch over immediately. Now the tablet is almost unusable anyway, as copying stuff to it, be it text files, music or video is a chore: plug cable in, press allow access, select files, copy files over, now anywhere between after 10 seconds and a minute the transfer may hang, so unplug USB cable, replug, allow access, copy stuff. I resort to moving the SD card from the tablet to my phone, copy everything I need, then put the card back in the tablet. This of course only works for stuff on the SD Card, not for stuff on the internal 64GB.
2454) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update GPU. (Message 90464)
Posted 3 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gary, I run AMD GPUs, my RX470 already draws 200W under substantial load, the later versions only take more. Compare this to Nvidia with more bells and whistles on their cards for only 250W power draw and you'll know what I mean. The VII is rated for 300W, which in a day and age where we're supposed to be using power efficient hardware is stupidly high. I mean, if Intel released a CPU tomorrow that would have a TDP of 300W, would you buy and use it, or would you laugh them out of the building?

There, fixed.
2455) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90418)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me looks up to the sky and feels raindrops hitting his eyes.
Yeah, neither the fire nor the moon are going to be reasonable. But an A+ for effort.
2456) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90407)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glad I use my GPU for gaming these days, that way it is used and pumps out nice warm air. Which reminds me, Cyrodill, EP Zerg, here I come!
2457) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90390)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your gas uaage is measured in kWh?
2458) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update GPU. (Message 90375)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the top end, they will complete your scientific research much more quickly: at the bottom end, a card of similar speed to your current ones will use significantly less electricity.
If they are Nvidia, as AMD GPUs use a lot of electricity.
2459) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90371)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cos the guessing is way more fun? Why not?

Edit: not that I think they can, it feels as if the BOINC database did a hard shutdown.
2460) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90369)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Katherine Helmond, 89, American actress (Soap, Who's the Boss?)
2461) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90361)
Posted 1 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
One closer to home, I have just had to let go of one of my cats. Wokkel did get 20 years old in January, she is survived by her sister Twiggles. I will severely miss my big friend. 😭😭
2462) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90360)
Posted 1 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just spent over an hour trying to copy music to the tablet, having to pull the cable from the computer every 5 files copied and reinserting it to be able to do things. In the end just removed the SD Card and put it in my phone, copied everything I wanted over in 3 minutes and put the card back in the tablet. It's going for repair when I return, because this is bull shit.
2463) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90359)
Posted 1 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps the local stream is preferred :)
2464) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90358)
Posted 1 Mar 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
While searching something else on Seti, I saw this came up in the search results: Setizen Gordon Lowe has died prematurely. I'd like to extend my heartfelt condolences to all who knew him, from my exchanges with him, to me he was a fine person. He'll be in my thoughts now and then.
2465) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90355)
Posted 28 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Three more days. The packing list is final, I hope it all fits.
I hope Richard is modern and that he has a washing machine, not that I have to rinse my socks and underwear in a local stream. I don't mind air-drying them. :)
As it looks now, the bit of breeze will have passed by the time my ferry sets out to sea. But still, I think I'll just turn in early on the boat. Never been much of a socializer anyway.

Isa is still negotiating, I've told her the answer isn't needed before the 13th of March. Fingers crossed.
2466) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90341)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein uses Drupal, Seti doesn't.
2467) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90325)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps by that time they'll open the middle tunnel for car traffic. More fun. :)
But you're all making it sound like Britain will end by the 29th of March. I doubt that, we'll just not hear from you again. Internet turned off, wall around the islands.
2468) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90322)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Deal! :-)

Meanwhilst, there's a chance my two week vacation becomes a three week one. I made one final bid to my friend Isa to celebrate her birthday in England and she wants to... but has to clear it with her mum, who has to bring the kids to school during that time. Yes, things between us have normalized that well. When it does happen, we'll continue on to the south,Devon/Cornwall area. She's also the walking type, so perhaps - weather permitting - Dartmoor. Then back I'll probably take the Chunnel. Never been in such a long claustrophobic environment before. :)

I can cancel my ferry crossing back to within 24 hours before it happens, without cost, while Isa can fly in relatively cheap. We'll figure it out. No hurry, I ain't there yet. :)
2469) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90320)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
My local weather agrees with the Met Office in that it's going to be wet and windy. So I believe the Met.
Then again, if your local micro-weather can differ from everything else, we'll go for that. I'll bring disposable rain coats anyway. Ain't got a coat, just vests and a sleeveless body warmer, so it's going to be interesting whatsoever. :)
2470) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90318)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
What to believe, the Met Office or the BBC? :)
2471) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90316)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Goes looking for a raincoat...

Sunday 3 Mar - Tuesday 12 Mar

Wet and windy weather will continue on Sunday with gales and blustery showers in the north. The heaviest rain will be in the northwest, though heavy blustery showers are also likely in Wales, as well as central and southern England. Longer dry and bright spells are likely in eastern Scotland and northeast England. Spells of wet and windy weather are likely to continue through next week, interspersed with some drier, brighter periods. Further strong winds and gales are likely in exposed areas, particularly in the northwest. Temperatures will be around normal for the start of spring, though they will be lower than the mild or warm weather that many of us have had recently. On high ground in the north, it may be cold enough for some snow to fall.
Wednesday 13 Mar - Wednesday 27 Mar

The extended outlook is most likely to begin with spells of cloud, rain and strong winds followed by showers and some drier, sunny interludes. The wettest, windiest weather is most likely in the north and west, with the best of drier, brighter weather in the south. This drier weather may extend to central areas at times, particularly later in the month. Temperatures are expected to fluctuate from day-to-day but overall could be slightly above-average. By late March confidence is low, but there remains a chance of a return to longer-lasting and more widespread drier and brighter spells.
The Dutchman brings wet and windy weather without beans.
2472) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90303)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Anderson, 68, British drummer of The Cure, Iggy Pop.
Jeraldine Saunders, 96, American author (The Love Boats, inspiration for the TV series)
2473) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90280)
Posted 26 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me slaps Gary with a week old smelly herring. There.
2474) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90264)
Posted 26 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least they didn't give you the run-around by telling you to try to reset the modem, the router or the internet or to log off and back in.
2475) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90259)
Posted 25 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
With the new forum added, the down time will probably exponentially increase. :p
2476) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduler problem - not receiving more than 1 AMD GPU task at a time (Message 90249)
Posted 25 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure what speed estimate the Client uses during the work fetch calculation: it might be using 59.63 GFLOPS from the server APR, or it might be using 43,980,464 GFLOPS from its own calculation.
LOL, I didn't even see that peak GFlops value. I use the same driver on my RX 470 and it's showing a more down to earth number for that: 5,161 GFlops.

But see https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/2988 with workaround in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/3001
2477) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90246)
Posted 25 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, I didn't check my claim they were there. So thanks. 😊
2478) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90244)
Posted 25 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If anywhere near (two-three hours by public transport) to Cambridge might be interested.
I'll have to be in West Mersea on the 17th, which from the Leeds area brings me through that neck of the woods. Annie asked for Chelmsford, which is within your time frame. So I think I'll have to find myself some place to stay for a day or two, three in that neighborhood. But will leave it to you Brits to come up with a suitable place, as you know the area. And how long it'll take you with PT to get to places.

Edit: I can of course tell CPDN that I'm in their neck of the woods, to see if they're interested to see me. A sort of BOINC Jordshop. :)
2479) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90242)
Posted 25 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks to Andy for the answer, I hope you find a way.
The other person I PM'ed apparently hasn't seen that or isn't interested. No hard feelings.

One more week. I have seen that the weather's going to be wind and rain, rain and wind. Well, I asked for no snow, so that's what I get. :)
Now trying to find a rain coat.

The navigation thingy I had in mind won't work. The bracelet I bought for it cannot easily be attached to my dashboard, not without it being attached on top of an airbag. In the middle of the dashboard I have unexpected ridges in the way of where I have to stick the bottom plate. I know, I have another week to try to fix that, but without grinding down the ridges, I wouldn't know how. My head's not really at it either, so I think I'll just bring the tablet for watching Netflix. If the tablet is coming, as I am looking into rooting it and putting a third party ROM on it. Reading XDA Developer forums though I have seen they've got problems with that, with the tablet going into a reboot loop if you do that. So I'll have to wait for them to fix that.

Got my insurance, I can now fall off a nearby hill. Drive into a lamp post. Etc. :)
2480) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduler problem - not receiving more than 1 AMD GPU task at a time (Message 90241)
Posted 25 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Currently I have the storage settings for at least 10 days with an additional 1 day of work.
The first value is the low water mark, the time you tell BOINC to check for work. The second value tells how much work you want to store.

So try to turn the two around, 1 and 10
2481) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90234)
Posted 23 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see Seti has a new wall-of-text-writer to give Annie a lesson in how it's done. :-)
2482) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC does not detect Intel iGPU after updating to Win10 1809 (nVidia dGPU available) (Message 90217)
Posted 22 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC not detecting a GPU - especially when it has done before without problems - lies primarily in the drivers. Make sure you clean install the Intel GPU drivers, or in the least uninstall the previous drivers, use a cleaning program such as Display Driver Uninstaller to clean remnants (in Windows Safe Mode!) and then install the new drivers. Also make sure that Windows 10 does not install its own drivers again, as it has a tendency to do so, lots of times without telling you.
2483) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90205)
Posted 21 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gerard Koerts, 71, Dutch keyboard player & guitarist Earth & Fire (Maybe Tomorrow Maybe Tonight, Love of Life, Thanks for the Love and Weekend)
2484) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90194)
Posted 21 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for the link, although I saw it moments later in a national news article. A waterfall is world news.
2485) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90192)
Posted 21 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wish people would test their GDPR compliance notice on all platforms, as I can never get past the I Agree option on the Washington Post. It just doesn't work.
2486) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90190)
Posted 21 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does that mean that the smart phone will become snarter now that its owner can look at the messages?
2487) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 90173)
Posted 19 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Karl Lagerfeld, 85, German creative director, artist, photographer, and caricaturist
2488) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90171)
Posted 18 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think the old deities are vegan, although you can try. If it then means I'm snowed in with the other bearded person, I know who to blame. ;-)
2489) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90165)
Posted 17 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time to slaughter your best poultry, sheep or goat and give their entrails as offering to your favorite deity:

Monday 4 Mar - Monday 18 Mar

By early March there are signals for Atlantic fronts crossing the UK, bringing a mixture of wet and windy weather to many parts, but also intermittent drier spells. Snow remains possible over higher ground in the north. There are weaker signals for snow to lower levels elsewhere should a cold easterly develop; this remains a small possibility. However, milder conditions remain more likely, although occasional overnight frosts remain possible.
Updated: 16:00 (UTC) on Sun 17 Feb 2019
2490) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90161)
Posted 17 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with those spammers is that they can spoof any number via VOIP, genuine included. So I wouldn't witch hunt after them too much. Before you know it you're terrorizing a citizen that has nothing to do with the spammers.
2491) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90159)
Posted 17 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two more weeks... and still don't know what I am going to do for my second week. Or where I'll have my meet & greet with those of you who want to come prick me with blunt knives. Some of you with extra sharp knives. So please, throw out your ideas. Remember that I don't know where all of you come from so what is a good place somewhere in the middle? Or don't you want to meet me? Is it just Richard, Annie, Rob and me? Cos then we can go to the movies and have a Mickey Dee afterwards, before I put everyone back on the train.
2492) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with CPU benchmark (Message 90148)
Posted 15 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
A quad core CPU is one CPU with four physical cores built into it. It counts as one CPU, hence why BOINC shows it as one CPU.
There are systems out there that use two or more CPUs, all with anywhere from 1 to 32 cores, some of these hyper threaded as well. For these the BOINC benchmarks will only show the physical CPU count, not the core count, or the logical count.

When you start BOINC, it will show the amount of cores your CPU has, both physical and logical. For example, my i5 without hyper threading shows as:
15/02/2019 17:26:58 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10891, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76427))
15/02/2019 17:26:58 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz [Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9]

1 CPU, with 4 cores: a quad core CPU.

I'll leave the answer to the question as to why you run what you see to others who run the same combination. I don't, so don't have experience with it.

Forums:
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2493) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 90146)
Posted 15 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah.. I'll install Netflix on my tablet.
2494) Message boards : Questions and problems : Daily Schedules (Message 90145)
Posted 15 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The schedule allows you to set the start time and end time of the run, which for you is "run between the hours of 17:00 and 08:00".

If you use the schedules in BOINC Manager, set this for the days of the week only, set the weekend values to 00:00 to 24:00
2495) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90141)
Posted 15 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
UK Outlook for Saturday 2 Mar 2019 to Saturday 16 Mar 2019:

As we go into March we are likely to continue to see Atlantic frontal systems mainly affecting northern and western parts, but these occasionally getting further east across the rest of the UK as more active features. However, many southern and eastern parts of the UK should remain predominantly settled throughout. Any snow looks most likely to be confined to higher ground in the north, although there remains a small chance of snow to low-levels elsewhere, should a continental easterly airflow develop. Temperatures are likely to remain mild overall, although some shorter cold spells are possible.
More and better offerings to all the deities!
2496) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90122)
Posted 13 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is, if you get an invite... or we're not sick of seeing each other after a week of seeing each other. :)
2497) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90119)
Posted 13 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Though a bit limiting in which projects can be run.
Or perhaps the projects should invest in a programming API that can be used on these low cost devices, instead of only on power hungry Intel CPUs. :)
2498) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90112)
Posted 13 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Invest in Android devices, my 4 running cost me 2 KWh a year. Even if I manage to add the Samsung Tab A that I just bought, it won't add much in power usage.
2499) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90107)
Posted 13 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not that the message isn't there anymore, it's that all news is now gone, probably because the BOINC database is now also off line.

Back from a refreshing swim, which was cut short when the thought train started and I was overwhelmed by emotions. Women. Well, no, one woman. How such lovely creatures can make your head go wonky.
2500) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90099)
Posted 13 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't think Seti's outage length can be the source for detailed stories for future men and women?
2501) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90096)
Posted 13 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
8 am CET and the saga continues.
2502) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90065)
Posted 12 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had never heard of the WouffHong.
Egg Foo Young?
2503) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90064)
Posted 12 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can swim, not too fazed about a little water.
2504) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 90043)
Posted 12 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
to use a real wouff hong
What an incoherent page is that, totally not explaining what a Wouff Hong is. Then it's better to read the first link he points at, http://amfone.net/WouffHong/wouff.htm which says: It was in one of these stories, entitled "Rotten QRM", that T.O.M. blasted the gibberish he'd overheard in one particular QSO, citing as an example the words "wouff hong", which apparently was either a concocted abbreviation, or someone's poor attempt at sending.

At the time of the articles T.O.M. did not know what a Wouff-Hong was, but he later adopted it as a disciplinary object with which to both flail bad operating practices and inflict punishment on the perpetrators. It is said that in the following era he had, tongue in cheek, proposed its use as an instrument of torture and discipline, to maintain decency and order in the ham radio community.
2505) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90040)
Posted 12 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can cancel my return trip to within 24 hours before, and am sure that if it so happens that there are unforeseen circumstances that when I call the ferry company that we can come to an agreement. But thank you very much for the warning.
2506) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90038)
Posted 12 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then I'm sure that you and all fellow Seti/BOINC idolizers will personally oversee that the weather gods don't wreak havoc in the neighborhood while I am over there. Won't you? :)
2507) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90025)
Posted 11 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most people don't trickle down to Essex - they RUN AWAY from Essex....
I have no choice: my boat back to Holland starts from there. Plus a day before I have to board the Razorbill 3 in West Mersea to go to the Ross Revenge, of course the real reason for this whole trip... did I just type that out loud? damn!
2508) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not working, no errors (Message 90021)
Posted 11 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Suspend when computer is in use" can be activated by extremely sensitive mice and keyboards, or other USB peripherals. For instance, I have a laser mouse that would wake my computer up if a slight tremor happened (truck driving down the street). I have since set that no HID can wake my computer. But we have had reports of USB joysticks waking BOINC up. If you have anything like that, disconnect it and see if things start to behave.
2509) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 90012)
Posted 11 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll have someone to remind you to keep left! YAY :)
Better yet: a chauffeur. I only have to sit on the left and be scared shitless because I don't have a steering wheel and pedals there. :)

somewhere central for prodding
Does this refer to a kind of, bigger, group-meet-up, Jord, rather than you having to pick us off one-by-one?
The former, a bigger group-meet-up. I haven't really thought it out yet. And to be honest I was thinking of figuring it out while there at Richard, cos I also don't yet know where I will be going after him. Just slowly trickling down south towards Essex.

I like the idea of a group do, I do :) so was looking into places up to say, about 2 hours out of London by train but got rudely interrupted so didn't get very far with that. It might have to be a one or the other but not a both just from a financial/time/wellness point of view :/ Do you whatsapp at all?
You know the answer to the last question already. :)

I'll be setting up a group one of these days myself for all people who stay home, so I only have to send photo's once. Is it really that difficult? Hmmm... will see :)
2510) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89993)
Posted 10 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That was a rather fetching tinfoil hat you had on, Jord. I liked it a lot.
Last night, got number 2 for a hot minute. Not sure I want to be number 1 and emperor, as it comes with too much stuff I'm unprepared for. The tin foil hat is as you should know a Psijic cap. It keeps your hair in. Or something.
2511) Message boards : GPUs : 2nd GPU installed, but not being used (Message 89983)
Posted 10 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you make it with Notepad, it adds a .txt to the end (that Windows then hides). So check the extension, make sure it's only .xml
Also when made in Notepad, save in ANSI format.

After that you have to exit BOINC & restart it, as GPU detection is only done at BOINC startup.
2512) Message boards : GPUs : 2nd GPU installed, but not being used (Message 89981)
Posted 9 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
See https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=I_have_added_two_GPUs,_but_BOINC_only_uses_one
2513) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not working, no errors (Message 89979)
Posted 8 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is set to have 100% of everything between 4pm and 845 am.
But it pauses at 08:45am and so probably continues at 04:00pm, although I find nothing about that in the log. Only the network is resumed when the computer goes idle.
So it's probably best to check the values in the daily schedule first. If you want BOINC to do work between 4pm and 8:45am, you have to set those values in that order in the from to boxes (Compute only between 16:00 and 08:45) and make sure that the Activity is set to "Run based on preferences".
2514) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89974)
Posted 8 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It just loaded again for me.
2515) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not working, no errors (Message 89968)
Posted 8 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I see is:
2/8/2019 9:09:20 AM | | don't compute while active
2/8/2019 9:09:20 AM | | don't use GPU while active


So perhaps set the preference to allow use of CPU while active (while the computer is in use)?
Did you add Science United on purpose, do you want to use this Account Manager?

I also see:
2/8/2019 8:45:00 AM | | Suspending computation - time of day
2/8/2019 9:04:35 AM | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use


This means you have a daily schedule set, to only crunch between the hours of X and Y. That apparently starts at 08:45
When is it set to end?
2516) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89954)
Posted 7 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That happened to me too with my Post Giro Bank. That later changed to Postbank and was then gobbled up by ING. The only things of notice is that the interest on their savings account went down to 0.05% (and yet they manage to make billions of profit on it...) and that the price for the subscription (is what I call it, I'm no client or customer there) is only going up while the things you get back are getting fewer. I've stopped using the PIN card for that bank a while ago and will probably discontinue the account after my vacation.
2517) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89952)
Posted 7 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since you didn't have a sign up process to go through, but merely were shoved into their pocket from your previous provider, you never had a chance to check any boxes on things you didn't like. Since they haven't got your email address - and thus you don't seem to have an account there - I'd have expected the helpdesk person to understand that in essence you're an unwilling new customer. But you were probably client 1275 for the day and he's now skimming mails.
2518) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89946)
Posted 7 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, definitive dates are finalizing. Route now taken:

- boat to Hull
- Hull > Richard
- Richard > somewhere central for prodding
- Central > Suffolk RR visit 17th
- boat to home

So everything moves forward by about 1 to 1.5 weeks.

definitive dates:
Leaving Rotterdam -> Hull March 4 @21:00h, arriving Hull @08:00h
Leaving Harwich -> Hook of Holland March 18 @09:00h, arriving HoH @17:15
2519) Message boards : BOINC client : RPI/ARM Linux screensaver??? (Message 89940)
Posted 6 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
See "On Linux" in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_screensaver
2520) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89932)
Posted 6 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No magic at all please.
No Magic Mike.
No magic mushrooms.
No magic roundabouts.
No magician.
I'm coming over for some rest, not to figure out the idiosyncrasies you can't figure out yourselves.
2521) Message boards : BOINC client : Repeatable error in BOINC Client for CentOS (Message 89931)
Posted 6 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think that the boinccmd tool uses the same RPC as the BOINC Manager (GUI) does, as it still has to talk to the client to command it.
Have you set the RPC port (tcp 31416) in your firewall?
2522) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89919)
Posted 6 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Given her the incentive of a lifetime. She's always going on about how I should shave off my beard... I told her if she comes along I will do exactly that.
2523) Message boards : Android : “awaiting to acquire lock”message (Message 89915)
Posted 6 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
If you add a new ticket, best use the version number in the title, like so: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+7.14.1
2524) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89914)
Posted 6 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things are looking up and different. The friend is reconsidering... and I have changed my route. Cancelled the previous tickets and am now in the process of getting new ones, possibly for two, I will know this tonight. My starting off point will also be different, as I no longer start in Harwich, but in Hull. This after I was looking at my route to get to Richard and thought "why drive 450 kilometers on your first day, when you can get so much closer by boat?"

Getting new tickets also means the 11-22 March dates are now off. The 17th still stands, I will have to be in Suffolk then to visit the Ross Revenge. But the start and end date now depend on... us. Going to take single trip tickets. So it's possible I don't have a ticket back when in England, that I buy it there. Dunno yet.

On the positive side: at least I won't have 5 roundabouts to navigate off the boat, but 7... {facepalm} :-D
2525) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89909)
Posted 5 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
All having fun?
I'm back in Cyrodill if anyone misses me. Much more interesting there. :)
Still got 4th place to defend, only 7 more hours to go for this campaign.
2526) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89899)
Posted 5 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just noticed the BOINC on my phone hasn't been running for days, oh well.
2527) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89886)
Posted 3 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not doing it for the points, and I can't get any higher as the people above me are really that much better.
And then of course all Saturday I was number 3. :)
2528) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 89881)
Posted 1 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Clive Swift, 82, English actor (Keeping up appearances)
2529) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89880)
Posted 1 Feb 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here I am, doing some relaxation gaming in The Elder Scrolls Online. Been playing this game for 5 years now, and only just ventured into Cyrodill, the PvP (Person versus Person) multiplayer part. It's week three, I have managed to get into a good crew, we have fun... and I made top four. Not doing it for the points, and I can't get any higher as the people above me are really that much better. But heartening to see that a relative n00b at PvP can get high in the charts, even with just his PvE (Person versus Environment) toon. And have the respect of the others, and the enemy... some of the guys on the other side don't like me, always single me out to be killed first. That's status! :)
2530) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 89849)
Posted 30 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
James Ingram, 66, soul singer (Yah Mo B There)
2531) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89827)
Posted 29 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I ain't here as I developed a knack for Cyrodill, PvP. It's great!
If only there weren't cheaters.
2532) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89820)
Posted 29 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone ready for the double outage, one at Seti and moments later here? ;-)
2533) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89815)
Posted 28 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well. Checking out my route from Harwich, I noticed I have 5 roundabouts within the first kilometer. If I don't learn to navigate those things by then, I'll never learn. :)

Small update: it's definitive, I'm coming alone. The friend has made up her mind and said she wants to be here for her birthday. Her wish.
Was thinking of making it a night drive to Richard, but then found I have to go through Bradford and I may not want to do that by night. I don't mind driving in the dark, not even in another country. It's usually calmer out there then. Just don't know how Richard feels when I bang on his door at 1am.

Meanwhilst, a muscle got stuck in my back, just on the right side of my left shoulder blade. At least, that was this morning. During the day a larger group of muscles joined in and now everything from the left to the right on my upper back is stiff and painful, and I can't look left or right without hellish pains. Got a physiotherapist appointment on Wednesday.
2534) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89806)
Posted 27 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
They might be letting me go home in a couple of hours!
Or they might not. What does the rule book say?
Four days in a row of handing yourself in to ACU can do that to you.
Willingly or forcibly? It's not pre-shock of meeting the bearded Dutchman, is it, as then we'll cancel that. :)
2535) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89803)
Posted 26 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's only as smart as its user.
2536) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Make project list cpu/os sensitive (Message 89792)
Posted 25 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, sorry, forgot to add that as I looked in the device's project list. It only shows those you've not added yet. {facepalm} :)
2537) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Make project list cpu/os sensitive (Message 89790)
Posted 25 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Android BOINC only shows those projects that support Android devices.

Asteroids, Einstein, Enigma, Moo, Rosetta, Universe, WCG, Yoyo

But of course it allows you to fill in any other project by URL as well.
2538) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Make project list cpu/os sensitive (Message 89788)
Posted 25 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project list (same in BOINC manager Add Project wizard) already shows which OSes/hardware is supported. That people still add other devices will have to do with future updates, I'm sure if you look through the project logs that you'll find lots of GPUs as well, also things not supported by CPDN. But perhaps one day in the future they will be.
2539) Message boards : Android : Instructions for signing up for BETA version on Google Play (Message 89782)
Posted 24 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't that a prison in the back? IS Bill perhaps trying to get someone out, covertly?
2540) Message boards : Questions and problems : more "phantom" AMD gpus: got 2x as many rx560 as I really have (Message 89781)
Posted 24 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I went back to 2016 and....
Time machine? TARDIS? Special K Brand?

:)
2541) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc drains battery faster than charger can supply. How to resolve? (Message 89776)
Posted 24 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It could also be that your battery is no longer charging fully. Batteries have finite charges, eventually there comes a point where loading is slow or a total no go.
Especially Apple had a software trick on iOS devices where the battery would load slower, eventually the whole device would go slower, to force you to update to a newer device.

No, BOINC for MacOS does not have a setting that stops itself when the battery becomes low.
If you want to, you can ask the developers for it via https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
2542) Message boards : Questions and problems : minor, translation in advanced view of boinc Manager in French (Message 89775)
Posted 24 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Translations are done by volunteers. You can make changes yourself. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/TranslateIntro for how to do so.
2543) Message boards : Android : Instructions for signing up for BETA version on Google Play (Message 89772)
Posted 24 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
You posted a Google Maps link to a field with windmills.
2544) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89763)
Posted 23 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
There were quite a few posts between the one I'm responding to and the very first. They've disappeared. Any particular reason for that?
I think you're confusing this thread with the initial post I made in the Seti is down thread. I made this thread to separate it out, make that others interested see my travel itineraries without having to go into that thread. Between the first and second post in this thread no one answered in the thread, only via PM and email.

As for central places where people meet, a couple of years ago there was a big BBQ in... the state escapes me, it was in the US. That was something people from multiple projects met and ate at. So it's done, just not so often.

As for my plan, I had planned to go on a vacation in January with a friend, but then in December we got into an extremely big dirty argument. So I moved things a couple of months as I wasn't going alone on that vacation. My friend and I have ceased our hostilities last week, we are now on a speaking basis, not as good as we were before though, f.i. she is on vacation with another friend as I type this.

And no, before some of you think, we're not romantically involved, we're just really good together, she's just a really good friend of mine, the one I can tell things to I can't to anyone else, do things with no one else is interested in. Although when we're fighting we're going nuclear at it as well. And where other relationships then fall apart, we only get stronger out of these. This August we know each other 10 years. Not bad for one person diagnosed HSP, the other ASD. The end of our fights just take time, a month, maybe more before things normalize. So there's a chance I take her along with me on my trip, although I doubt she will. She's thinking about it.

At the time I planned the previous vacation I didn't know yet where we'd go to. When the argument started, I set my sights on England. And to spite her, set the dates so it would cross her birthday. Which now... if she wants to come along... may cost me... ;-)
2545) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89756)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps....

Seti is back, btw.
And ssssslllllooooowwwww.
2546) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89754)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is that what made you to become a mod?
I was a moderator on here before I quit drinking. I even was the first volunteer moderator at Seti, as Rom at the time would deputize me and did it on the wrong forums. :)
I quit drinking because of a comment someone made, which registered and made me see if I could do without the stuff. First a week, then 2, then 4, then 3 months, then half a year and then just figured better never to touch the stuff again. It's useful when going to town and the person I'm with drinks: they always have a driver back home. I don't mind, I have fun without alcohol. Even dare to talk to women now without having to drink myself into a stupor first.
2547) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89752)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
Jord:
From now on we're going to briefly bring down the BOINC forums (and other features that use the DB) on Tuesday mornings, for DB backups.
2548) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89743)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess the first round's on me, but then I'm skint. And I don't join in on drinking it either. Haven't touched the stuff in 11.5 years, aren't gonna start now.

Still trying to get a lady-friend to come along with me. She's thinking.
2549) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89735)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a party?
Surprise party probably, because I don't know of any party?
2550) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89733)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
All righty then. I've got my ferry crossings booked, and the first week is full. Well, if the good people who offered me a place to stay over don't get sick of my face within a day. :)
The middle weekend is also full, with my visit to the Ross Revenge centerpiece.
Leaves the second week, 18-21 March (I travel back the 22nd, have to be in port at 7am). If you know what I can do, aside from meet Annie, then let me know.
Richard already opted for me to find a central place to stay over so y'all can travel there and visit me. That way I don't have to drive hither and thither.

So go ahead, tell me. Yeah, it's my vacation, I don't want to do much. :)
2551) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89732)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I bet they waited for me, service for Jord. :)
2552) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89729)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Me too, could even reasonably think about it. SSP says all's normal.
2553) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89724)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The outage at ESO was only a handful of hours, so if that's an indication...
2554) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89717)
Posted 22 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Winter's here. Lots of snow. Not a euphemism for the snorty stuff.
2555) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 client won't connect to account, can't add projects or tasks (Message 89703)
Posted 20 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC (on Windows, Linux, Mac) consist of two main parts, a client (runs in the background, does most of the work) and a manager (the GUI, runs in the foreground, allows you to control the client). If the client isn't running, the manager won't be able to connect to it and will show all windows and tabs empty. It sounds like you have that problem.
Can you open BOINC Manager->Options-Other options and check that "Run the client?" is checked? If it isn't do that. Might as well check that "Enable the manager exit dialog?" is checked, then Save->File->Exit BOINC->acknowledge to stop running any tasks->OK.

Then restart BOINC from Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.
2556) Message boards : Questions and problems : old boincmgr notices are sometimes duplicated and flagged as new notices (Message 89702)
Posted 20 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, it happens in all BOINC Managers on all platforms.
2557) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 89692)
Posted 19 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windsor Davies, 88, British actor (It ain't half hot mum)
2558) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89683)
Posted 18 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, I don't know, perhaps the plague is preferable to Win10?
2559) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89680)
Posted 18 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spoiler alert!



Or perhaps no?!
2560) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89674)
Posted 17 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for that. I'll be avoiding London though, probably a marvelous city but not to drive in.
2561) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running on Fire TV (Message 89669)
Posted 17 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Open BOINC on the device->Preferences->check "Show Advanced Preferences and Controls->check Max. Battery Temperature and if need be lower that.
2562) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 89665)
Posted 17 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN offline:
Andy Bowery, CPDN head mogul wrote:
Hi all,

I will be taking the project offline at 4pm (UK time). This is in order to switch over the master and slave relationship of the two database machines.

Best regards,

Andy
And back!
Hi all,

This action is now complete and the project is now backup and running again.

Best regards,

Andy
2563) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple sporadic computers on same data dir? (Message 89664)
Posted 17 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your biggest problem here is that your slave computer doesn't know which tasks haven't been worked on yet without going through the client_state.xml file. One misread or corrupt bit and you lose client_state.xml and all work presently in cache.

You can only do this if you move the whole data directory, with all sub-maps and files around between the computers. Then only one computer at a time can crunch.
Work from the project is registered against the hostID that downloaded it, that hostID must also upload and report it.
2564) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple sporadic computers on same data dir? (Message 89661)
Posted 17 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that's not possible.
Your problem is that all computers register their own hostID, which is stored in their own client_state.xml file in their own data directory.
While you can run and finish work started on one computer on another computer, it comprises moving the whole data directory between devices, so that the second computer has the same hostID when it runs and uploads/reports the work.

If you just let more than one computer use the same data directory, all these computers register their own hostID at the project and will constantly overwrite the client_state.xml file in the data directory, thereby removing any trace of work the previous hostID had.
2565) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89648)
Posted 16 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Searching a list of B&B's in the UK with one filter for Internet/WiFi set results in:
No results were found.
Your search was a little too specific.We suggest reducing the filters or searching for a different city.
Sigh.
2566) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 89645)
Posted 16 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll start checking the stowaway places in my car so it becomes a habit then. Against those that still want to travel there from Africa, and those who want to leave before the 29th of March. ;-)
2567) Message boards : Teams : Team Conversations? (Message 89640)
Posted 15 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Team Founder can make Team forums in any BOINC forum.
As a TF, go to your account page, click Administer on the Team options, then on to Message Board and Create Message Board.
This creates a forum that only your team members can see and post in.
2568) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 89639)
Posted 15 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congrats Brits, you're now not gonna Brexit?
2569) Message boards : Questions and problems : got another "virtual gpu" - how does this happen? (Message 89626)
Posted 15 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nothing from your previous thread working this time around?
2570) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89621)
Posted 15 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for that.
Now for a native English speaking person to pronounce Gliese–Jahreiß in my neighborhood. :)
2571) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89609)
Posted 15 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably more like they don't work at Christmas and one or two days around that.
2572) Message boards : Android : App not reading phone battery charge level correctly (Message 89608)
Posted 15 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do know that Google changes their code around a lot between Android updates and that the manufacturer of your phone can also move that around to better fit in their version.

What worked before in most versions may no longer work in any next. We already know BOINC may have severe problems getting to run on Pie (A9). So as always, YMMV.
2573) Message boards : Android : App not reading phone battery charge level correctly (Message 89599)
Posted 14 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
and the app seems to suspend when the screen goes to sleep.
I remember I had to set things in something like three different places for BOINC to work through all this, but I always forget what they were and where they are.

Let me see...
Battery->Launch->slide "manage all automatically" for BOINC to off
Battery->Battery Usage->BOINC->slide the Power-intensive prompt to the right (on).
Battery->Battery Usage->BOINC->Launch->Auto-launch on, Secondary launch on, Run in background on

I might give the beta version a try. Will it pick up current work units from this version or should I finish them first (and not fetch any more in the meantime)?
You can update BOINC without losing work. It's like that on all platforms.

One other thing - I don’t have anything in the “GUI messages” in the event log. Only client messages. Is that normal?
These are -as far as I know- debug messages that show there, for the developers. You can set the level of debug messages via preferences->GUI Log Level.
2574) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89596)
Posted 14 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Their record keeping must be an appalling mess if they don't have a record of the sale.
At the first bill, the helpful guy at the store sent in my contract on which it says that I paid off the device. It seems someone isn't reading their mail. Now, in the past three months I have been paid back everything every time, and all times they haven't taken my actual subscription fees. So I am expecting problems from that as well...
I always seem to get my bill at 10 past 6 pm on a Saturday around the 10th of that month, outside of closing time of the store. It's going to be interesting what they're going to do in March, as you'll see I get another big charge to be had, but I can't go to the store on Monday then because I'm on a ferry to Britain then. Oh well.
2575) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89593)
Posted 14 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently my mobile ISP can't believe I paid off the phone when I bought it and is trying to get it paid (again) left and right. That's what the extra cost of 220 euros was for on my phone bill this month.
Can't wait what it'll be next month...
2576) Message boards : Android : App not reading phone battery charge level correctly (Message 89590)
Posted 14 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you can try is test BOINC 7.14.1 to see if it still does that.
The thing with Android 8 and above is that it tracks battery intensive applications and will stop these if they seem to take too much battery, even when the telephone is on the charger.
You should add BOINC as a power-intensive app in the whitelist on the phone. It depends on the phone and its GUI where that is.

To get 7.14.1, go to the BOINC website in the Google Play Store, and check the option to receive beta versions.
Exit the Store and reload it to find 7.14.1, install that. It's a more up-to-date version for Android versions 7 and above. It won't fix this problem out of the box, though.

You can also read through github issue #2467 for others with likewise problems. The volunteer developers read github more than they do the forums.
If you have 7.14.1 and added your phone as power-intensive and still have the problem, first up you may want to try to set BOINC to auto-start and leave it running even when it's not charging. As long as you didn't set in BOINC preferences that it can run while on battery, it won't use the battery much during the time it's off the charger.

Personally I have set minimum battery level to 10% and don't have any problems with that.
On an octo core it is good to run on 4 cores only, as the other 4 cores aren't used by BOINC anyway. Octo cores have 4 so called LITTLE cores which the programs can use and 4 BIG cores that only the OS can use. If you set BOINC to use 8 cores here, you run two tasks per core, slowing calculations down enormously.
Temperatures may not feel hot, but when you install an app that can read the SoC temperatures, you'll find that it easily runs in the 50s Celsius. More if you set BOINC to run 'on all cores'.
2577) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC notifications (Message 89574)
Posted 13 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do BOINC Manager->Options->Other options->Notice reminder interval->Never and the reminder balloons will go away.
2578) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89564)
Posted 12 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Getting a little fed up with my mobile phone provider, Vodafone.
When I bought my new phone in October, I paid it in full. Got myself a new subscription with it and there the troubles started.
In November they tried to get me to pay my phone again, by adding €20,- a month for two years to my subscription for paying off the phone - which was already paid off.
In December another mysterious payment of €1,29 a month for two years was added.
Now I just got my bill and they've added €219,36 as 'additional costs' without specification anywhere as to what these may be.

Of course my bill came in moments after their help desk closed for the weekend. So I guess another trip to the store is in, ah, store on Monday.
Grrrrr.
2579) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89549)
Posted 11 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
the / partition had filled up for some reason
2580) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89514)
Posted 8 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's because of the Sudden Stratospheric Warming happening over the North Pole, I may want to keep an eye on things with regards to my vacation.
2581) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89506)
Posted 8 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can it be around the corner when it's circular?
2582) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89500)
Posted 7 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
If they don't fill in the potholes you'll be grumbling about that as well. ;)
2583) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't get project screensavers to run (Message 89497)
Posted 6 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't give all the links a try, you will only have one graphics processing unit (GPU), you will need to check what brand it is, Intel, AMD or Nvidia and only install the driver for that brand.

You can also run Microsoft's DirectX diagnostic tool to get this information:

1. From the Start menu, open the Run dialog box.
2. Type dxdiag.
3. Click on the Display tab of the dialog that opens to find graphics card information.
2584) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't get project screensavers to run (Message 89495)
Posted 6 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
But with all that, make sure you installed drivers from the GPU manufacturer. As these contain the OpenGL component that Windows installed drivers may not.

Intel: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/
ATI/AMD: https://www.amd.com/en/support
Nvidia: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

Where available, do a clean install and reboot after installing is complete.
2585) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89471)
Posted 4 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Of course: 42 Hz to 1420 MHz. :)
2586) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89468)
Posted 4 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's half&half. Half up, half down. A covenant. :)
2587) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89459)
Posted 3 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's in up&down mode. Always a surprise if you can get there.
2588) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89455)
Posted 3 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or fewer days:

SETI@home is temporarily shut down for maintenance. Please try again later.
2589) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help in compiling the client in Linux (Message 89441)
Posted 2 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
So why not use ./configure to make without the manager?

See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BuildSystem for build instructions.
Use
./configure --enable-client --disable-manager
make
to make the client but not the manager.

Unless you need the manager?
You should be able to use any manager. But if it's the client specifically you need with some new code, don't build the manager.
2590) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89437)
Posted 2 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll try and get it started on the mark tomorrow morning, and Jord can tell you how much it's gained or lost when he visits in March.
Which reminds me, I'll have to find someone to wind my mom's 100 year old clock while I'm away. I finally got it to run almost on time, just 3 minutes slow per week. To get there it took me from May to December of incrementing and decreasing the little adjustment ring on the pendulum. Don't want to do that again just because there's no one to wind the clock on Fridays.
2591) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89429)
Posted 2 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
That needs a damp lint free cloth.
2592) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89424)
Posted 2 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't hoover any longer and I will in March. :)
2593) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89418)
Posted 2 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fake. Not enough dust. ;-)
2594) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89414)
Posted 2 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not much of a boot type, I don't like the high back, gives me blisters. But I'll be looking into some sturdy hiking shoes before March and walk them in.
Got myself some sturdy hikers. Waterproof. Low sides for my ankles to breathe. The boots I tried made my feet sweat within two minutes, not a wise choice. Will walk these shoes in for the next two months. They fit and sit nicely.
2595) Message boards : The Lounge : The traveling Dutchman came to Great Britain in March 2019 (Message 89408)
Posted 1 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
Britain, beware. This Dutchman is coming to you this March.
I'm having a "getting-away-from-all-the-crap-in-my-life" moment put into an early vacation. From the 11th of March until the 22th 4th of March until the 18th of March I will be cruising through Great Britain. Only have one set appointment on the 17th with a boat taking me to the Ross Revenge, home of Radio Caroline, who then have a live broadcast from the ship.
It's been 28 years since I've last been on board, so that's going to be interesting.

In any case, if any of you want to meet up with me for a prod & poke, that's possible.
I know Richard and Annie want to meet me, but if any of you are interested as well... I'll be traveling with my own car, so aside from London City I should be able to go anywhere.

If you want to meet, PM me. Or post here.
Let me know your general area and when you're available.

And else I'll just travel to some places for a look-see and such. Wouldn't mind having a traveling companion though.
2596) Message boards : Projects : Linus Tech Tips explains LIGO (Message 89407)
Posted 1 Jan 2019 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all Einstein fans, Linus Tech Tips explains what LIGO is, does, and how it was built. Very informative, even for you who know it already.
2597) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy 2019 ! (Message 89394)
Posted 31 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have a good new year, all. All for love and happiness!

And many BOINCinations. : -)
2598) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC fails to run (Message 89387)
Posted 29 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Starting BOINC Manager (the icon) under Linux only starts the GUI, it does not start the client. You have to start the client separately, from the command line, using sudo /etc/init.d/boinc-client start
After that start the manager.
2599) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't work since version 7.4.42 (Message 89363)
Posted 27 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you enable the file_xfer_debug and http_debug log flags in Event Log Options (CTRL+SHIFT+F), crash the client once more and post the resulting logs (last 30-40 lines from stdoutdae.txt in the BOINC data directory)?
2600) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89351)
Posted 26 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lutefisk or lutfisk is a traditional dish of some Nordic countries. It is traditionally part of the Norwegian julebord and Swedish julbord, as well as the similar Finnish joulupöytä. It is made from aged stockfish or dried/salted whitefish and lye. It is gelatinous in texture. Its name literally means "lye fish"
And you think that's better? :p
2601) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89348)
Posted 26 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure if the Minions are the best way to start a party. Even contemplating if that isn't a banishable offense. Think of the geriatrics, please!
2602) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89328)
Posted 25 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, while the numbering isn't fixed yet, it seems me getting another UHD monitor did fix my other problem: that of moving icons and open programs due to one monitor waking up slower than the other or one port of connection waking up slower than the other. The BenQ was attached via DVI, the AOC HDMI 2.0; now both monitors are attached via DP. I've disabled the power saving timer on the Samsung and so when I turn my computer off, it'll just go into stand-by mode. Then when Windows wakes back up, although the AOC is slow waking up from its slumber, I haven't seen any of the previous moving of desktop contents to the monitor that was awake already, and then move everything back to the other. So fingers crossed that's fixed.
2603) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unable to Connect to Core Client (Message 89327)
Posted 25 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, with language like that you'll get a lot of helpers.
Want to try again? Or else, please, just uninstall and be done with it.

Not even in the spirit of Christmas am I going to help you, not with that attitude.
2604) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89321)
Posted 24 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's infuriating.

I connected the AOC with a displayport cable, put it in DP slot 1.
I connected the Samsung to DP port 2.

Booted up the system.
AOC is still monitor two. It shows my desktop (with all the icons rearranged).
The Samsung doesn't display anything. It's recognized as a "Display device on: Mobile PC Display" and it's monitor one. It runs in 640x480.
Detect doesn't do anything.
Extending to the other display makes the AOC go black until it reverts the changes.
Duplicating the desktop shows the desktop in 640x480 on the AOC only.

My GPU is a Radeon RX470 - 8GB. It's using the 18.12.3 drivers (and funnily enough, the Settings screen is telling me the whole time that newer drivers are available: 18.12.2 ... something broke here)

Edit:
Put HDMI cable in to figure the Samsung out. Didn't work either. -> had to reset the connection detection on the monitor to get that to work.
Switched back to Displayport cable. Works now.
Samsung is still after all this work monitor 1 (DP2), AOC monitor 2 (DP1).
Sigh.
2605) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89318)
Posted 24 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I already set the AOC - as monitor 2 - as my main display. But that's not what I wanted. What I want is for the AOC to be monitor 1 again. Just as it was when it was paired with the BenQ. If only I could find my other DisplayPort cable, then I could try to switch the AOC from HDMI to DP and see if that fixes things. But I doubt it.
2606) Message boards : News : Client version 7.14.2 released (Message 89316)
Posted 24 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC on Linux is built by the package maintainers, you can see how to get yours at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Linux
Do know that the 7.14 is not available for Linux (last I checked).
2607) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89315)
Posted 24 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grmbl, Windows (7)

Does anyone know how to tell Windows to stop renumbering my monitors? I have bought a 28 inch Samsung UHD today to complement my 32 inch AOC UHD. The AOC has been on my desk since some months now and had a BenQ HD monitor as its companion. AOC monitor nr. 1 (HDMI 2.1), BenQ monitor nr. 2 (DVI)

Today I shut down, disconnected the BenQ and put the Samsung (Displayport) in its place, booted up. Bam, the Samsung was immediately monitor nr. 1 and the AOC is monitor nr. 2
Problem with that set up is that the AOC is on the left, Samsung is on the right. I've set the AOC to be main monitor, but really would want it to be monitor nr. 1 again.

I tried moving cables around.
I tried putting the AOC on HDMI port 1 on the GPU, as it was living on port 2.
I tried moving the image of minitor 2 to the right in Display -> Screen Resolution.
- While that shows the images there as 1 & 2, pressing Identify shows 2 still on the left. Aside from that, to get to the second monitor, one has to leave the left side of the left monitor to get to the right side of the right one... yes... stuff dreams are made of.

Other than physically putting the AOC on the right, I don't see how to do this. Anyone?
2608) Message boards : The Lounge : Merry Christmas! (Message 89312)
Posted 24 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Geseënde Kersfees, Felices Pasquas, Vesele Vanoce, Boas Festas , Vrolijk Kerstfeest, Merry Christmas, Felican Kristnaskon, Joyeux Noel, Frohe Weihnachten, Mele Kalikimaka, Buon Natale, God Jul, Feliz Navidad, Nadolig Llawen, etc. :-D
2609) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89310)
Posted 22 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not much of a boot type, I don't like the high back, gives me blisters. But I'll be looking into some sturdy hiking shoes before March and walk them in.
2610) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89306)
Posted 22 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better shoes, more like.
2611) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89304)
Posted 22 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now then, something completely off topic for this thread... and then not so much...
I am planning a vacation of sorts for the second and third week of March, 2019 and I'll be visiting the British Isles. Great Britain to be more precise.
I've just put a down payment down for a seat to visit the Ross Revenge, home of Radio Caroline, for the live broadcast weekend of 16/17 March. So now I really have to go. ;-)

I've got Richard (H.) already on my list of visitees. Are there any others around here who don't mind getting the nutty Dutchman over the floor for a day? I'm not planning on sticking around in one place for all my time there, although I do want to see some sights. And prolly go on a walk on the moor with Richard. If you want me to come along, just tell me. Poking and prodding is allowed. :)
2612) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89294)
Posted 19 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I still drank alcoholic beverages - last 11 years, five months ago - I would like to drink Labatt Ice beer. A real way to wake up on a warm day, and then be drunk again real quickly. Not only was it frozen during development, it needed to be drunk at 3C or below as well.
2613) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to clean up a manual install on Linux? (Message 89290)
Posted 19 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You were answering a spammer, Gary. Typical tactics, pick (part of) a previous post to repost as your own and stick your spam into it, your signature or your profile.
2614) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89268)
Posted 18 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe it needs a certain database limit to be reached.
2615) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89266)
Posted 18 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't it an automated script that doesn't care about human festivities?
2616) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc is not running (Message 89258)
Posted 17 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows I presume?
Have you checked that BOINC is actually running? Windows Task Manager shows a boinc.exe?
2617) Message boards : Projects : GPUGrid (Message 89256)
Posted 17 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the Options section it says "(default values will be used for any options not specified)", I concur that could be said better, but I'll have to figure out how.
2618) Message boards : Projects : GPUGrid (Message 89244)
Posted 16 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
[Edit] Curious as to why my stdoutdae.txt is only 2.7MB and covers only a day. I have <code>max_stdout_file_size</code> set to zero and I believe that 0 means no limit.
No, zero means here that that line isn't used in cc_config.xml, but that the default maximum from BOINC is used, which is 2048KB.
2619) Message boards : Projects : GPUGrid (Message 89224)
Posted 15 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I use
<max_stdout_file_size>20119200</max_stdout_file_size>

Works fine. Especially since I not longer run BOINC on my PC. ;-)
2620) Message boards : Projects : Can't delete a project (Message 89223)
Posted 15 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you using an account manager like BAM!, Grid Republic or Science United? If you do, you have to remove the project through there.
2621) Message boards : Questions and problems : can I use two GPU even if they are not the same type (Message 89222)
Posted 15 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC can use both of them, but not outright. You'll have to add the use_all_gpus switch to the cc_config.xml file.
To do so, go to your BOINC data directory (for default directories, look here), and check if you don't already have a file called cc_config.xml (or cc_config with extension hidden).
If you do, open it with Notepad or another ASCII text editor, scroll all the way down until you see the line
<use_all_gpus>0</use_all_gpus>
and change the 0 (zero) to one (1), then save the file.
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>


Next make sure you installed drivers for the GPUs from the AMD website. Drivers installed by Windows for instance lack the needed OpenCL component.
With that done, exit & restart BOINC, or reboot the computer.

If you don't have a cc_config.xml file, make one. Open Notepad or another ASCII text editor.
In it add:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

Save this file as cc_config.xml into your BOINC Data directory. Save in ANSI format, as an All Types - this prevents an extra .txt extension to be added.

If you do have a cc_config.xml file but not the use_all_gpus line, then add that to the options section and save the file.
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
2622) Message boards : Questions and problems : unwanted "virtual" gpu after RADEON upgrade (Message 89212)
Posted 14 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, glad it was something easy like that. Old drivers or parts of old drivers are always a problem, the AMD driver installer/uninstaller doesn't remove all parts of itself. And although the newer uninstaller does uninstall a lot more, it's still best to throw a third party uninstaller over it afterwards. I like DDU because it's free and regularly updated.
2623) Message boards : Questions and problems : unwanted "virtual" gpu after RADEON upgrade (Message 89210)
Posted 14 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps clean out all drivers with display driver uninstaller in windows safe mode, reboot and only install one driver version.

Edit, I posted links to those in https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=83672&postid=1970110
2624) Message boards : Questions and problems : unwanted "virtual" gpu after RADEON upgrade (Message 89207)
Posted 14 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you reboot after updating the drivers? The driver installer doesn't ask for it, making you think it isn't necessary (and it may not be in most cases). But to clear out any problems it's always best to reboot after upgrading the drivers.

BOINC is only reading what the drivers tell there is for amount of GPUs. If the drivers have it wrong, so does BOINC.
2625) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.9.3 GUI crashing when switching simple - advanced on Xubuntu (Message 89204)
Posted 14 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC logs many things automatically. Gui crashes normally go into stdguierr.txt, so check around for these sort of files.
2626) Message boards : Questions and problems : Elapsed time is cpu time as opposed to real time? (Message 89202)
Posted 14 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, CPU time is CPU time, Elapsed time is system clock time.
2627) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89180)
Posted 11 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gaming PCs going out? Linus says so.
If you order Shadow's service, you get a small 7 Watt Linux client at your home which streams the gaming from their independent servers, which each contain: 16 CPU cores, 48GB of RAM and 4 performance grade GPUs, typically GTX 1080s or Quadro P5000s, running Redhat's KVM on Linux.

($35.- a month, comes with a gigabit internet connection)
2628) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89179)
Posted 11 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who disturbs my slumber??
2629) Message boards : Questions and problems : Detecting situations where, "Scheduler RPC deferred for xx:yy:zz" has been issued. (Message 89178)
Posted 11 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why is project_files_downloaded (time) always zero?
I don't think you know what the project files are. I feel they're the executables, library files and pictures from the project, not the work data files. So unless you just downloaded a new science application, it'll always be zero.

From gui_rpc_client.h:
double project_files_downloaded_time;
        // when the last project file download was finished
        // (i.e. the time when ALL project files were finished downloading)
And for that matter:
double last_rpc_time;
        // when the last successful scheduler RPC finished
From project.h:
double project_files_downloaded_time;
        // when last project file download finished
    void update_project_files_downloaded_time();
        // called when a project file download finishes.
        // If it's the last one, set project_files_downloaded_time to now
2630) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 89135)
Posted 6 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pete Shelley, 63, English musician (Buzzcocks)
2631) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 89130)
Posted 5 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
PETA wants rid of animal unfriendly sayings.
Sigh.
2632) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89115)
Posted 4 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everything here's been down as well. Internet, network, TV, 5.1 Dolby speaker system.
Got rid of a dining room table and two small cabinets. In its place I built one larger cabinet that my TV lives on top of, and had to uncouple and recouple all wires to my 5.1 Dolby stereo set. In testing I found out that the sub woofer came out of a small speaker, and the left and right rear were in the front. Took a bit but now, for the first time it seems, my 5.1 system outputs in 5.1 ... a loose wire had left the rear left speaker dead for all the time before, it now works.

Then while sending pics to a friend, my network decided to go down. Well, my internet did. But a side effect from that is that when the internet goes down, my network goes down as well. This due to the router being built into the modem. I will have to rethink that one. A switch won't do, so perhaps a second router?

Anyhoo, back to reorganizing the living room. Y'all should see the folding screen I bought. A large Lotus flower with LED ligths (for an image, look at the bottom here).
2633) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to the core client (Message 89101)
Posted 3 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another option is that the BOINC Manager GUI (boincmgr.exe) runs from a different directory than the client (boinc.exe)
You should be able to check that by enabling the "Command Line" column in Windows Task Manager. See these steps on how to do that in Windows 10.

Both boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe should have the same path, e.g. C:\Program Files\BOINC\ or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\
If either starts from a different spot, that's the problem.
In that case, uninstall BOINC, manually delete the other directory, reinstall BOINC and make sure in the installer - third screen in click Advanced - that the path to the Programs directory is the correct one for the installer you use:
BOINC_version_windows_x86_64.exe is a 64bit version that should be installed in C:\Program Files\BOINC\
BOINC_version_windows_intelx86.exe is a 32bit version that should be installed in C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\
2634) Message boards : Questions and problems : App_Config per GPU (Message 89097)
Posted 3 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The name tag as I have shown in the example above. This name should be the same as the one from the client_state.xml file, and therefore the one given by the project.

You can't use the same app name twice as then only the second one will be used.

E.g. for Seti, you can define multibeam and astropulse, although work for the second one isn't available as much and it won't work on all GPUs.

For all available tags, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration
2635) Message boards : Android : Connecting to a different BOINC account manager (Message 89096)
Posted 3 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.14.1 is a beta. It's available from the Google Play Store if you tell it you want to test BOINC.

Go to https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.boinc, set you want to test BOINC, exit the play store and return to it. Or on your Android device open the play store and check for new versions of applications, BOINC should be among them.
2636) Message boards : Android : Connecting to a different BOINC account manager (Message 89093)
Posted 2 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you use the "Add project by URL" option?
In 7.14.1, that's Projects->Three dots->add URL.
2637) Message boards : Questions and problems : App_Config per GPU (Message 89089)
Posted 1 Dec 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not like that no.
You could probably do it by giving either GPU their own application to work on, if the project has more than one GPU application, and work for them.
<app>
<name>Application_Name_for_GPU0</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.4</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>Application_Name_for_GPU1</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
2638) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac 7.14.2 installer never finishes (Message 89075)
Posted 29 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the developer:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
The Mac installer can take a long time running its scripts, especially if many user accounts are set up on the computer. Another possibility is that the installer script is waiting for the user to answer one of several questions it may ask. The dialog might be hidden behind another window.

This installer has been run successfully on OS 14.2 by many many users.

If it is truly hung, force quit the Installer app and any PostInstall apps to avoid restarting the Mac.

First I recommend he download a fresh copy in case his original was corrupted. Run the Uninstall BOINC utility provided in the extras folder with the installer before running the installer again.

_Only_ If all else fails, he could create an installer log and post it for me to analyze. As soon as the installer starts, enter command-L followed by command-3. When it has hung, click “save”.
2639) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac 7.14.2 installer never finishes (Message 89070)
Posted 28 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
6 ways to force quit Mac apps.
2640) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 89065)
Posted 27 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stephen Hillenburg, 57, American cartoon maker, creator of SpongeBob SquarePants.
2641) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 89058)
Posted 27 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does it tick? Strange wires visible?
2642) Message boards : News : Client version 7.14.2 released (Message 89039)
Posted 26 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this FAQ. The groups are only made when BOINC was installed as a service.
2643) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account Managers and Project URLs (Message 89034)
Posted 26 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that not all BOINC developers think that way? Or at least, they didn't slightly over a month ago, things may have changed since I stopped monitoring.
2644) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account Managers and Project URLs (Message 89032)
Posted 26 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
In any case, the AM protocol is pretty much set in stone at this point;
BAM! and Gridrepublic aren't going to change the way they work.
Well, why develop BOINC any further?
2645) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account Managers and Project URLs (Message 89030)
Posted 26 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Richard, are you using that data to make issue tickets out of on GitHub? Or is it a private test with the outcome being for whomever reads it and hopefully someone will pick up on it?
2646) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not using my 11 GPUs (only 8) (Message 89018)
Posted 24 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of CPU do you have? Does it output enough PCIe lanes needed by all the GPUs?

How are the GPUs connected, at what slots?
2647) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88986)
Posted 22 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
A miniscule cloud item. :)
2648) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88980)
Posted 22 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just moved my computer out of the computer room and while cleaning stuff up before the move I found a non-descript box. Upon opening I was staring at eight Windows for Workstations v3.11 3.5 inch floppy disks. Anyone interested? :-)
2649) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suggestion for "activity" drop down menu (Message 88968)
Posted 21 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since GPU tasks require a CPU to run - the GPU science application runs on the CPU, not on the GPU - Suspending the CPU will suspend all activity. As long as there are no outstanding uploads or downloads at that time, there will be no Network activity either. It can take up to 10 seconds for activity to react.

You will see when you snooze CPU that it will automatically snooze GPU as well. However, snooze only works for an hour.
2650) Message boards : Android : Include Setting: Store at least N days of work (Message 88926)
Posted 20 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That would make things complicated on the Android devices, plus we don't know if it works for all Android versions. There are problems enough already getting BOINC to work on Android 7 and 8, with apparently even the latest Alpha version being unable to run any science applications on Android 9. The workaround for all projects where BOINC runs out of work is of course to add a second project.
2651) Message boards : Android : Include Setting: Store at least N days of work (Message 88924)
Posted 20 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with that is storage space. The present client still uses internal memory only, which is still rather small on most present devices, compared to that of other platforms. Perhaps when they manage to add using external storage, although newer devices don't use that anymore - but then they do have 64GB or more storage space.
2652) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88919)
Posted 20 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
A Black Froutage!
2653) Message boards : Android : Performance degradation following phone upgrade (Message 88918)
Posted 20 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You cannot compare the work load on the CPUs on an Android device with that of, for instance a personal computer. The octa-core Android devices usually have 4 big cores for intensive workloads and four LITTLE cores for lighter tasks. These latter cores run at a slower speed and are normally used by BOINC and the science applications. The faster higher speed CPUs aren't used by BOINC or the science applications, no matter whether you set BOINC to use all cores or not. (See Github Issue #2549 for the discussion on this.)

That's probably done by Android design and may not be possible to be overridden.
When you now set BOINC to use all cores, only the slower LITTLE cores are filled, so when there's 8 cores it means these cores run two tasks per core.
Best set BOINC to use 4 cores in that case.
2654) Message boards : Android : Newest client; 7.14.1 (Message 88897)
Posted 19 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you have a count on BETA testers or systems running the BETA version 7.14.1 ??
No, I don't. Perhaps that David does, but I haven't spoken to him in 6 weeks. Or perhaps that the developer for Android does, but then you best ask via an Issue at Github.
2655) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rosetta hogging resources (Message 88896)
Posted 19 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project resources are set via the Project preferences website. For Rosetta, that's at https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/prefs.php?subset=project

If you're using an Account Manager (BAM, GridRepublic, Science United) you'll have to set this through there.
2656) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to change what drive BOINC stores files on (Message 88895)
Posted 19 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Exit BOINC (BOINC Manager->File->Exit BOINC Manager->check "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"->OK)
Navigate to your BOINC Data directory (default in Windows a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC), then go up one folder so you can copy the BOINC folder.
Copy the BOINC folder to a folder on your D: drive (e.g. D:\BOINC)
Uninstall BOINC.
Reinstall BOINC.
In the third screen of the installer, click Advanced.
Change the path for the Data Directory from C:\Programdata\BOINC to D:\BOINC (or wherever you copied the directory to).
Continue installing BOINC.
Start BOINC Manager (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager)

We do it this way and not via the registry to make sure that all permissions on the new BOINC folder are set correctly.
If you miss the installer of BOINC, you can get 7.14.2 from here.
If you have trouble uninstalling or reinstalling BOINC, use the Microsoft Windows Program Uninstaller.
2657) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot install boinc (Message 88886)
Posted 18 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As the BOINC FAQ had several points, not just reinstall the version you had, have you tried using the Microsoft Windows Program Uninstaller? It's really simple to use and will fix 99% of such problems.
2658) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88824)
Posted 13 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've said I will stay on on these forums for now, but that may come to an end as well, I haven't decided yet.
I have decided to stay on here. I know this will come as a crushing blow to some out there. Things are looking up in my personal life as well. What a night out with a friend doesn't do. I'll only refrain from returning the BOINC development for now. It doesn't strike me as if anyone's been missing me there anyway, so that's all right with me.
2659) Message boards : The Lounge : Discussion thread for These are no longer with us, may they have peace (Message 88823)
Posted 13 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope you're faring well on the other side, mister Lee. Thanks for all the Marvels you've given us.
2660) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 88819)
Posted 12 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Douglas Rain, 90, Canadian actor (most famous as voice of HAL 9000 in 2001: A Space Odyssey and its sequel 2010)
2661) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88797)
Posted 10 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yay! I finally have one...

I'm a programmer who cracked your email account and device about half year ago.
You entered a password on one of the insecure site you visited, and I catched it.

Please don't try to contact me or find me, it is impossible, since I sent you an email from your email account.

Through your e-mail, I uploaded malicious code to your Operation System.
I saved all of your contacts with friends, colleagues, relatives and a complete history of visits to the Internet resources.
Difficult round-about way to get my contacts... they're in Gmail! That same Gmail you purportedly used to send me the email with. (But that's on such a different IP address that Gmail itself is saying this can't be me that sent it. :))

I made screenshot with using my program from your camera of yours device.

No camera, buddy. So no pay.
2662) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88768)
Posted 6 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all you hardware fans out there with some time on your hands. Think you have the best GPUs in your system? You can always do better.
Check how Linus Tech Tips is making a $100,000 PC with 7 GPUs running from a daughter board: Pt1, Unboxing the case, Pt2, Trying to get things to work, Pt3, Troubleshooting.

Not for the faint-hearted...
2663) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88728)
Posted 2 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grrr, Windows Update.
I installed the Monthly Rollup for Windows 7, rebooted.
Reboot took exceptionally long.
Upon entering Windows, it told me it was making a temporary swap file because the one in my original location wasn't there....

I had moved my swap file to the SSD.
And three of my active games as well.

Both partitions on the SSD were showing as 'empty string' in Windows Explorer.
So I ran CHKDSK on them. That fixed a lot of things... but removed the security descriptor.

So now I had two partitions back that I still couldn't access. Had to retake ownership of them, which wasn't easy.
But they're back. Immediately backing them up. :)

What the heck was in that Windows Update that broke my SSD?
And is this going to be a monthly thing now?
2664) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88721)
Posted 1 Nov 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I understand, the red ones are rated for 3Gbit/sec, which is fine for hard drives which read/write at 150-200MB/sec. The black ones are rated for 6Gbit/sec, which the SSDs can utilize at read/write 500-580MB/sec. I had my SSD connected to a SATA-600 port with the red cable, and that gave trouble. Mind, the previous SSD I had was broken.
2665) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88714)
Posted 31 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, thank the deities. The replacement SSD isn't defect after all. It was... {drum-roll} the old SATA data cable. I've replaced all my old red data cables with black ones (with clamp on the connector) and that brought the drive to life. All drives. My HDDs now transfer at 150-175MB/sec. A lot better than the 70MB/sec they were fused at earlier. So a cheap solution.
2666) Message boards : GPUs : EVGA GeForce GTX 460 Driver (Message 88688)
Posted 30 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Always download drivers from Nvidia: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/132845/en-us

Supported Products:
GeForce 400 Series: GeForce GTX 480, GeForce GTX 470, GeForce GTX 465, GeForce GTX 460 SE v2, GeForce GTX 460 SE, GeForce GTX 460, GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GT 440, GeForce GT 430, GeForce GT 420

Make sure to do a clean install.
If it still doesn't work, did you have a previous videocard of a different brand in there? Did you uninstall its drivers?
Use Display Driver Uninstaller in Windows Safe Mode to get rid of the previous drivers.
2667) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88687)
Posted 30 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
My luck has left me. The replacement Samsung EVO 860 SSD that replaced the defect SSD I had earlier is also broken. It cannot be formatted. These things are jinxed.
2668) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88639)
Posted 26 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've had enough about BOINC and the bad form its release crap is in these days. Therefore I requested to be demoted from Github, and emails from it to be stopped immediately. This has been coming for a while, and the way my personal life is at the moment doesn't help either. I've said I will stay on on these forums for now, but that may come to an end as well, I haven't decided yet. If you seem to miss me, that may be why.
2669) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88616)
Posted 23 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wot? You don't like my selection of 70s-80s-90s music and SID Metal? Don't tell me I have to put the whole collection of Cliff Richard back? Please?
2670) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88612)
Posted 23 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can always unplug the Jukebox.
2671) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88611)
Posted 23 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things continue to be $^&^#@*))&^% with the SSD. I'm pretty sure it's a broken one.
Been trying to update The Elder Scrolls Online on it for the past two days and continuously have errors. Or it takes several hours to unpack the patch file. It's an SSD, why would it write at a max of 21MB/sec?

I called Samsung today. Interesting. I call a number in The Netherlands, have a whole phone menu in Dutch and then am transferred to a woman with atrocious English in Italy, who sounds as if she's seated on chips bags with all the crackling and popping on the line. She types everything I report in abysmal English in a ticket that I get emailed to myself.... yes, you can guess it, there wasn't an option to email them from the Support page, only telephone, Twitter and Facebook. So why do so difficult?

Am now waiting for this support person to come back to me, after I sent in what he asked for. Or he asked for it and promptly went home for the rest of the day, also being an Italian.

If by tomorrow I haven't heard anything I'll play it by the store I bought the thing from.
In any case, Samsung Magician can't do benchmarks on it without giving an error. Copying stuff to it goes slow (max I seen is 70MB/sec). SMART says that the value for the CRC Error Count is 1. That in itself is suspicious to me. But all programs, including Magician, report the drive as being Good. It isn't.
2672) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88597)
Posted 23 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dirty coffee. Just see what's sticking to the edge of the cup there, and imagine that going inside you. Brrrr.
2673) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88590)
Posted 23 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Damn... too late to lock the door then?
2674) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 88568)
Posted 21 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Joachim Rønneberg, 99, Norwegian Army officer and broadcaster. He was known for his resistance work during World War II, most notably commanding Operation Gunnerside, and his post-war war information work.
2675) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects run without my permission (Message 88564)
Posted 21 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Resent tasks are not new tasks, they are tasks that are registered against your hostID (computer). When you have a scheduler contact with the server, the server compares the content of the project directory with that in the database and if it finds that you have tasks missing that are registered against your computer, these get resent to that computer.

Aborting them and allowing them to be reported fixes that. If the tasks aren't reported, the project will always try to resend these tasks when you have contact with the project and it's found they are missing.
2676) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 88552)
Posted 20 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Willem "Wim" Kok, 80, Dutch politician of the Labour Party (PvdA) who served as Prime Minister of the Netherlands from 1994 to 2002.
2677) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not enought space for LHC (Message 88548)
Posted 20 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are your preferences set to?
Best post the contents of your global_prefs.xml and if it exists, the global_prefs_override.xml files.
2678) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.14 Change Log (Message 88535)
Posted 19 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.14.2 available for Windows and Macintosh - Android still being tested.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.12.1->7.14.0

  • Update installshield files; update version #s; fix Win custom action build
  • Move network_test_url tag from cc_config.xml into new nvc_config.xml file, since WCG modifies this for their branded builds (along with new version check info) and it is probably never modified for standard (unbranded) BOINC
  • Fix build break on MS Windows
  • (branding) Change network_test_url for WCG from http to https
  • client: save a copy of nvc_config.client_version_check_url in client_state.xml file, eliminating need for installer to rename previous nvc_config.xml to old_nvc_config.xml. newer_version_startup_check() compares gstate.client_version_check_url to nvc_config.client_version_check_url. If different, it clears gstate.newer_version and updates gstate.client_version_check_url.
  • Mac installer: remove code added earlier which renamed previous nvc_config.xml to old_nvc_config.xml.
  • Mac installer: remove any previous nvc_config.xml file
  • Add default nvc_config.xml file for use in MS Windows installer
  • Mac installer: fix typo in code to remove any previous nvc_config.xml file
  • Mac installer: change pkill() calls to killall() because pkill() was not available before OS 10.8
  • Revert "mac installer: change pkill() calls to killall() because pkill() was not available before OS 10.8"
  • Mac installer: change pkill() calls to killall() because pkill() was not available before OS 10.8
  • WINBUILD: Remove VS2010 compiler warnings. A few remain.
  • client: use #define DEFAULT_VERSION_CHECK_URL instead of NVC_CONFIG::get_default_version_check_url()
    add file
  • GUI: Refresh ProjectInfoPage in attach wizard
  • Improve var names and avoid divide by zero
  • Fix Darwin bug
  • Fix cs_benchmark.cpp heap destruction
  • Fix linux build
  • Mac Screensaver: fixes for dual GPU MacBook Pros running OS 10.13+
  • Mac screensaver: Fix minor typo in comment
  • Mac screensaver: Remove commented-out instruction as requested by @AenBleidd
  • Adds ability for a Brand to define the string for boinc help in the help menu through the skin.
  • Clears the Launch services database during a mac client install
  • Updates for the wcgrid brand to support the mac installer
  • Drop MIPS support
  • Harden build scripts against spurious errors
  • Update cURL build scripts
  • Update OpenSSL build scripts
  • Android: Fix arm64 BOINC build
  • Android: Fix x86_64 BOINC build
  • Update cURL and OpenSSL versions
  • client: parse and store user and team name from account manager. If the AM is "dynamic", show those for projects attached via AM, rather than e.g. "Science United user 123456".
  • Android: Raising targetSdkVersion to 26 (Oreo) as required by Google Play Store as of 11/2018
  • Android: Match Android API requirement with BOINC app counterpart for consistency
  • Android: Ensure Android NDK r18 compatibility
  • Android: Fix libstdc++ path for armv7-a architecture
  • Android: Raised minimum Android requirement to KitKat 4.4.4 (API level 19)
  • Android: Workaround for missing truncate() libc function
  • Android: Partially revert "Ensure Android NDK r18 compatibility"
  • Android: Upgrade Gradle
  • Android: Adapt to v7 appcompat support library API changes (as of 25.1)
  • web: Add languages to language selection menu for which we have translation files but which, for some reason, were missing from the list (?). Namely: Azerbaijani, Basque, Italian, Norwegian, Persian, and Ukranian.
  • web: Fix language_names.inc file to include more correct spelling of Ukrainian language
  • web: Fix English spelling of Ukrainian language string
  • GUI: Tune simple preferences dialog
  • GUI: Tune advanced preferences dialog
  • client: Change strcpy to use the safe_strcpy and strcat to use safe_strcat in acct_setup.cpp, hostinfo_unix.cpp and hostinfo_unix_test.cpp
  • Updates for WCG branded client
  • client/ASYNC_VERIFY::verify_chunk: delay casting of size_t to int
  • client/ASYNC_VERIFY::verify_chunk: check ferror() after a fread()/fwrite()
  • Removed copy of put in trash icon because not used in branded installer and cleaned up comments
  • Locale: Update localization template files
  • Locale: Update localization files
  • client/scheduler: update NVidia detection
  • Improve .gitignore by adding .vscode folder
  • update boinccas.dll, which shouldn't exist in the first place
  • lib: implement get_real_executable_path() for more OSs
  • client: fix GPU detection with --detach_console
  • client: use full path to client executable in GPU detection
  • lib: change run_program() to use $PATH
  • client: decode error codes in detecting GPUs
  • client: remove unnecessary chdir() calls in GPU detection
  • build: remove the test for /proc/self/exe
  • Added ping function
  • Revert "Added ping function"
  • Added ping function
  • lib: add a function to test if path is absolute
  • client: reduce log spamming in GPU detection
  • update project list
  • update version #s
  • update vbox files

Preliminary Change Log 7.14.0->7.14.1


  • fix run_program() bug

Preliminary Change Log 7.14.1->7.14.2


  • update .ism files
  • Mac: add note to build instructions that BOINC 7.14.x and earlier can not be built using Xcode 10 or later.
  • Mac: Fix minor typo in installer ReadMe
  • Mac build instructions: add information on setting the version of Xcode Tools
  • Mac: screensaver works with OS 10.14 Mojave
  • Mac installer: don't overwrite project list if newer
  • Update NVIDIA GPU detection for recent models



Available installers:

Windows 7.14.2
- boinc_7.14.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.14.2_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.2.8 included
- boinc_7.14.2_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.14.2_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.14.2
- boinc_7.14.2_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.14.2_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.14.2_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

2679) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects run without my permission (Message 88533)
Posted 19 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Version 7.12.1 downloaded direct from your website.
Which website? How did you download it? Using the Join Science United button on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/index.php, or by physically downloading the installer from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php?

If using Science United, then that's the explanation. Here you tell what kinds of science areas you want to support and those will be added to BOINC. It's not a per project setup, but per multiple projects, whichever are in the support areas you chose. Using Science United you also run with an anonymous account, you don't gather any credit for yourself.

If you chose to download and install BOINC by yourself, then make sure you aren't using another account manager, because if you are, the projects you chose to support in that account manager will be added to BOINC.
2680) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88493)
Posted 16 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone leave! It's been back awhile now. I want my rest and peace.
2681) Message boards : BOINC Manager : English display in French version (Message 88455)
Posted 15 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Christian Beer, look here: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/5dac399bec7445d46f7e4c4364e9665deca1277f/clientgui/WizardAttach.cpp#L605, so I guess it's WxWidgets doing it.
2682) Message boards : BOINC Manager : English display in French version (Message 88452)
Posted 15 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Translations are done by volunteers. It's possible that this is a new thing, and I say that because I am the translator for Dutch and see that it does this in Dutch as well.
I'll go hunt it down, thanks.

Edit: I have just looked in Transifex, but they're not there either. So they're probably hard coded somewhere. I forwarded it to the translation developer.
2683) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88439)
Posted 13 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, that's been an interesting morning. I left my system on last night as it was slowly cloning the Windows partition and Swap partition to the SSD. I was using Macrium Reflect's cloning partition option. This because many others, including AOMEI Partition Assistant and AESEUS Partition Master didn't work or would throw errors half way in the cloning. AOMEI Backupper would clone the partition but afterwards the Windows partition on the SSD would be 70GB smaller than on the HDD.

Macrium didn't do much better in that, after it was done the discrepancy between the HDD and SSD was 30GB. And it showed when I started from the SSD, a) it was slow, slower than my HDD; b) from login only errors. This couldn't start, that crashed, eventually Windows Explorer crashed three times in a row and the system rebooted.

So I am back at the beginning and will have to figure out what to do next.
Can't use Samsung Data Migration as it wants to clone the whole HDD, and that's a no-go as it's a 2TB. I could probably move three of the partitions from the 2TB HDD onto the 3TB I have free on the 6TB drive. But not now, I quit, it's weekend.

(PS, nagging Jord here, but when we answer, could we please do so without the signature? Thank you)

Edit: Interesting.
I switched off the Swap file on my HDD and turned it on solely on my SSD.
The HDD Windows lives on is a hybrid drive (SSHD, with 8GB NAND cache memory). Had to reboot for the swapping of the swap files to take place. Boot-up has sped up significantly.
Where it would take approx. 90 seconds from BIOS screen via log in to desktop fully populated, that was now 30 seconds.
2684) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88433)
Posted 12 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It was €189,- ($219) the Pro being at €364,- ($421).

This SSD comes with 60 months warranty.
2685) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88431)
Posted 12 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got a Samsung EVO 860 1TB SSD. Damn that thing is small.
But if y'all are missing me the rest of the weekend, the moving of my OS partition went wrong. ;-)
2686) Message boards : Questions and problems : Use ONLY GPU?? (Message 88430)
Posted 12 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, do know that GPU apps use the CPU. The application runs on the CPU, as it does all of the translating of the data into kernels that the GPU can calculate, and transport this data to the GPU, then transport the calculated results back and save them to disk.
2687) Message boards : Android : Newest client; 7.14.1 (Message 88415)
Posted 10 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
So being a registered Beta tester will get you an automatic download and update.
Only if you have "Keep your apps up-to-date" turned on. If not, you have the choice if you want to update the app, for all apps and games. That's a Google Play Store setting though, not a BOINC one.
2688) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88374)
Posted 9 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice to see D A finally discussing character limits. :-)
I should've bought a 4K monitor earlier, to have the Send Message button flow over into the text box. Then he would've adjusted that before this time. :)
2689) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88372)
Posted 9 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The DP to HDMI may throw things off. I had a DP to DVI cable on the old setup, with one 1920x1080p connected DVI-VGA and the other DP-DVI. There I didn't have a problem. It's since the large monitor runs off of HDMI or DP (I tried both) that I have this problem. So perhaps that a DP to HDMI doesn't shut off the cable once the monitor is off.
2690) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88370)
Posted 9 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you have one of these,an AFB, you will be well prepared.
Crucially missing out on a letter... check it again. :)
2691) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88365)
Posted 9 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have 3 monitors on mine
Which size and how connected?
2692) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88364)
Posted 9 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I hope Jord is prepared for the fun.
I'm cowering behind the couch!
2693) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88352)
Posted 8 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am by default using hibernate. That doesn't matter. It's kind of hit&miss for now, one time I'll start the monitors before Windows and everything is fine. The next I do exactly that and I find all icons again moved all the way to the left on the main monitor. Sick of moving things around, I'll learn to put things on the second monitor when I need it, like when gaming, open the browser there to check for help. Put the heat measuring tools on there. Then when gaming's done, kill everything again and turn the monitor off.
2694) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 88346)
Posted 8 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Scott Wilson, American actor, (In the Heat of the Night, In Cold Blood, The Great Gatsby, Dead Man Walking, Pearl Harbor, and Junebug. The Walking Dead, CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
2695) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88345)
Posted 8 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Computer sleeping before the monitor also means computer must be awake every time before the monitor. And even then I am not sure it'll work, because wouldn't the desktop re-init still be done as soon as that monitor wakes up? It does it now every time Windows is awake and I temp turn the monitor off, then back on.

Linux apparently has the same trouble, or so my in-house guru tells me. She's been struggling with this thing for the past months and all her OSes are versions of Linux (6 of them).
2696) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88343)
Posted 7 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, so it's something to do with the active refresh of the large monitor. I even switched my second monitor to the built-in Intel GPU and it's still doing it.

What I do to test is:
- Move some shortcuts and folders to the second monitor.
- Turn off the main monitor.
- Wait 7 seconds.
- Turn on the main monitor.

What I see that happens is that the whole desktop switches to the second monitor, while the main monitor initializes. Then while it powers up, the desktop switches back to the main monitor, taking everything with it.

So I really don't know how to fix this. Anyone an idea?

edit: looking further into this:
"Some types of HDMI monitors, and pretty much any DisplayPort monitor will be "disconnected" from the computer when powered off or entering sleep mode. This causes Windows to do a full display re-detection on sleep and resume, which has the nasty side effect of making all open application windows shuffle around. When returning to your computer, all of your carefully placed windows are now in random spots!"

I'm using PersistentWindows for now. It's not perfect, as it still misses some of the things, but let's see if someone comes up with something better. I can probably always switch to a DVI connection.

Edit2: no I cannot switch to DVI as that doesn't have the resolution, it's maximum 1920x1080p.
2697) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88342)
Posted 7 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I didn't roar. Just groaned. A lot.
Just as with the other problem I had - or may still have: I've moved some of the program- and shortcut icons to my 2nd monitor, but every 24 hours or so, they reset and everything's dumped back on the first monitor.

Searching around on that, I have now moved the second monitor icon down and in line at the bottom with the first monitor icon on the screen resolution window. That should apparently fix the problem. We'll see.

Edit: nope, not fixed. It appears it's to do with the monitors powering down and the second - smaller - monitor powering back up faster than the big one. Somewhere that means that Windows has to remove all icons from the smaller monitor and dump them on the big one.

The games being unplayable are playable when put into a window. I play ESO in 3200x1600, Wildlands in a window I manually moved to size and Shadow of the Tomb Raider in full 3840x2160. The latter is the only one where it's playable. :)
2698) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88325)
Posted 6 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got myself some new kit and have been busy setting it up over the past hours. I bought a new AOC 32 inch UHD monitor (max 3840x2160p) and have been fighting with it since connecting it. The first hours I had the problem that whenever I tried to grab a window and move it, it would maximize on the monitor.

A stuck mouse button is what most people would answer, it registers a double click... yeah, but for that when I would disable the new monitor and only work on the old BenQ 22 inch (max 1920x1080p), it would work fine.

No, I found out eventually that it was the AOC ScreenGrid program that started a t Windows startup. With this program you can simulate multiple monitors on your one monitor. Why it needed to enlarge each window to maximum is beyond me, but I disabled it and it's no longer doing that.

So then the other thing. As I had connected the monitor via DisplayPort (DP), and wanted to use the built-in speakers, I needed to add the audio cable. Too bad that doesn't work. Apparently the built-in speakers aren't powered, or they are but they don't work with a SoundBlaster Audigy and the audio cable. Had to resort into removing the DP cable and putting in HDMI. Can't have both HDMI and DP cables connected, their connector ports slightly overlap so that the connectors of said cables can't both fit at the same time.

Now there's still that idiotic thing where you can only tell Windows to enlarge text and icons on all monitors, not just one. So if I leave everything normal, 100%, text and icons on the 4K monitor are illegible. Do I increase text and icons, they're getting humongous on the 1080p monitor. Grrrr.

Also, I have only a small 'gate' through which I can move my mouse from the big monitor to the small one. Moving at the top or bottom won't work, there's a blockage there, probably because of the difference in resolution.

So then, gaming:
- Ghost Recon: Wildlands is awesome at 4K, it's just that movements are over-exaggerated and so it needs some getting used to. Play slower. Point slower.
- The Elder Scrolls Online are nauseating at 4K. There's so much field of vision and everything moves, it gives a real 3D effect. I'll probably go play this in a windowed screen.
I haven't tested the rest of my games yet. My AMD RX 470 - 8GB is still powering this beats with ease. :)
2699) Message boards : Android : please, provide me with " Policies and Procedures" of Android client release (Message 88308)
Posted 4 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answered much the same way in your other thread.
2700) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the most important in client release functions ? (Message 88307)
Posted 4 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The normal reason why a new client is released is to get rid of bugs through bug fixes, and add new additions while trying to keep compatibility with previous versions of operating systems (like Windows XP). Most all of the documentation about the client can be found in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwareDevelopment (for development) and https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Main_Page for user manual.
2701) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88280)
Posted 1 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
This mod will have his own festivities tomorrow and not be here: 49th birthday.

Have a fine out(r)age all!
2702) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 88278)
Posted 1 Oct 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charles Aznavour, 94, French singer (chansonnier)
2703) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88275)
Posted 30 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Google, your new Gmail interface sucks. It's impossible to see if there are new mails in folders when using certain backgrounds, because the text is then all white and the background is similar. It doesn't show on the folder how many new emails you have, you have to click the folder before it says how many there are.

When checking mail I now have to wait more than a minute for whatever it is that loads to load, then click a folder, click it again because it didn't register, click it again because it didn't register. Then click a mail, click it again because it didn't register, click it again.... really? It's slow, it's irritating.

I've set my interface to simple HTML. All problems above cleared up immediately.
2704) Message boards : Questions and problems : Limit Resource Share for a single project on a single computer? (Message 88253)
Posted 28 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can change the resource share via the project preferences in your account on the project's website.
For example at https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project
2705) Message boards : The Lounge : New here (Message 88245)
Posted 27 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sometimes he's a trifle hard of learning. Perhaps this month not. Sorry, didn't see you had been 'answering' him, want me to leave them messages or remove them?
2706) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88201)
Posted 25 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The last few live action movies made from anime and manga have been a disappointment for me.
I refuse to watch the new live action remake of Ghost in the Shell. I don't care for it, loved the original and all its follow-ups.
2707) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88189)
Posted 25 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just seen the new Magnum P.I.
Am a bit in between, must probably see more. Liked the H5.0 cameo, and seeing Noelani means they're in the same universe as H5.0. Just wonder if that was the original Ferrari they had there.
2708) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88181)
Posted 25 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
♫♫ "Relax," said the night man
"We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave!" ♫♫

:D
2709) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88169)
Posted 25 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me pulls out the board games.
Fun with betreger!
2710) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem install BOINC on Linux-Ubuntu 18.04 (Message 88166)
Posted 25 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Linux versions of BOINC are built by and deposited via the repository managers.
2711) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive apps cannot be specified with absolute path (Message 88159)
Posted 24 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you check one thing?
Make sure you have exited the BOINC client (e.g. boinccmd --quit)
Open client_state.xml in your favorite editor (careful, don't add anything, or when you do and are asked to save changes, click Cancel) and scroll to the bottom. What does it say for user_run_request? It needs to be 2 (based on preferences). If it's 1, it'll run always and ignore any set preferences, including the exclusive apps. In that case change it to 2 and save, then restart the BOINC client.
2712) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive apps cannot be specified with absolute path (Message 88156)
Posted 24 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I also wonder why you can't just use x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-clang++ as the executable's name. The way that BOINC checks whether these exclusive apps are active is by checking whether they are in the operating system's active memory. If they are and they are executables, act upon them.
2713) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 88141)
Posted 21 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Kevin Reed:
The link between our servers and the SAN storage for our databases went offline a little while ago. The hosting team is working on it.
2714) Message boards : Questions and problems : The application “BOINC Installer.app” can’t be opened. (Message 88126)
Posted 19 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
And make sure you followed the right procedure, see for instance this Youtube video on how to manually get "from anywhere" back.
2715) Message boards : Questions and problems : The application “BOINC Installer.app” can’t be opened. (Message 88125)
Posted 19 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Found this on a Mac forum:
It looks like executing the application is a fail. I think that you just need to chmod it to make it executable.

STEPS:

1. Open a terminal

2. Here are the commands:
cd
cd Applications
cd APPLICATION_NAME.app (where APPLICATION_NAME is your app)
cd Contents/MacOS

First Option (if you know which is the executable): chmod +x FILENAME (where FILENAME is the name of the executable)
Second Option (if you don't know which is the executable): chmod +x *

If it tells you operation not permitted, then add sudo in front of chmod
2716) Message boards : Questions and problems : on last UBUNTU 18.4.1 cannot set max CPU time to be used (Message 88124)
Posted 19 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
When every screen is white, it means that you only started the manager, not the client. Under Linux starting BOINC Manager won't start the client, you have to start it (boinc-client) separately and prior to the manager.

When the computing options screen is white, it would seem that BOINC Manager - or part thereof - is missing something to render it completely. What you can try is to do an <code>ls boinc-manager</code> from a terminal window. That's El Es. If you can't read it all, copy & paste it here and a Linux guru will probably be able to tell you if something's missing and needed.

Don't use the cc_config.xml file to set the amount of CPU cores. That option is used for testing, and is primarily for running work on more cores than you have. So you can for instance set it to 64 on a 4 core CPU and run 64 tasks (slowly, because the 4 cores will run all 64 at the same time, 16 per core)

If you want to hand edit any file, edit global_prefs_override.xml, and then the max_ncpus_pct value. Do know it's percentages that are used here.
2717) Message boards : Android : Please help me - Versions of BOINC Application in Android Platform (Message 88103)
Posted 18 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Look through the BOINC Github tree. BOINC only uses Github since December 2015, while the source code for the BOINC Android app is from end of 2014/start of 2015. Before that time most of it lived on SVN/the developer's computers. I don't think it's available.
2718) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 88102)
Posted 18 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Wallom, CPDN head-boso wrote:
We are having intermittent issues with the project database which we are now diagnosing. therefore the project is effectively down.
2719) Message boards : Android : Please help me - Versions of BOINC Application in Android Platform (Message 88098)
Posted 18 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC source code can be gotten from Github. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit for more information on that. There are no development versions of BOINC available at this time. The part time developer for Android is busy trying to get a 7.14 out, but he wants to do so at the same time that 7.14 comes out for Windows, Mac and Linux. Which is whenever.
2720) Message boards : Questions and problems : The application “BOINC Installer.app” can’t be opened. (Message 88081)
Posted 15 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having searched for it, it would seem that the error message that you receive is about BOINC not being from the Mac App Store which is resulting from a setting on your Mac. The default is what it is set at now: OS X will not allow you to install applications that came from anywhere but the Mac App Store. You can update that setting by opening System Preference and selecting "Security & Privacy", then check what's set at "Allow apps downloaded from", set it to Anywhere.
2721) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Addition Suggestion: Auto sort and start task by due date (within project) (Message 88079)
Posted 15 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC works by a first in, first out principle, while the scheduler will calculate per 10 seconds if tasks are still going to reach their deadline based upon the values the project gave those tasks.

BOINC will try to get all work done before its deadline, but if that's not possible then usually there's no man overboard as the projects have some form of redundancy by sending out work over the deadline to other computers, until one returns viable results.

So there's no need for the features you request - and that others have requested for years and years, ever since there was a scheduler built in.
2722) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not able to report completed tasks in Android 8 Oreo. (Message 88078)
Posted 15 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Gary, your link is for Pie (Android 9), while Matheus has a problem with Oreo (Android 8).
The problem you point out was also only temporary and only on the devices Google updates immediately (i.e. all of their own brands and branches).
2723) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not able to report completed tasks in Android 8 Oreo. (Message 88077)
Posted 15 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC you're running is optimized for Android 5.0, that it runs on 6 and 7 is sheer luck and only because Google didn't change too much in those versions of Android. In 8 however, it did change a lot (e.g. drivers running separately from the OS) and one of those changes is in the Background Execution Limits which gets into play here.

Whenever an app runs in the background, it consumes some of the device's limited resources, like RAM. This can result in an impaired user experience, especially if the user is using a resource-intensive app, such as playing a game or watching video. To improve the user experience, Android 8.0 (API level 26) imposes limitations on what apps can do while running in the background. This document describes the changes to the operating system, and how you can update your app to work well under the new limitations.
That's not something the developers of BOINC can easily fix or workaround on. It may even be the end of the BOINC app on Android.
2724) Message boards : Questions and problems : During Windows Update (Message 88071)
Posted 14 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wouldn't expect it to exit BOINC manager (or the client) gracefully, no. Knowing Windows Update, it'll just forcefully cut off programs prior to rebooting.
2725) Message boards : Questions and problems : The application “BOINC Installer.app” can’t be opened. (Message 88063)
Posted 13 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If not tried yet, try downloading the installer again.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php has all the installers, also the ones from before.
2726) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88057)
Posted 13 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got the new modem in yesterday, and have been busy trying to get it to work since 1 pm. How fricking difficult can it be? Disconnect one modem, connect all cables in the exact same order onto the next modem, turn it on. But no, apparently the modem/router needs to activate itself and the initialize itself and that takes absolute fricking ages. Definitely a thumbs down here.

Edit: one of the people at the helpdesk found out that the modem was set into Bridge mode. No wonder it didn't work. All fixed now.
2727) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can I give computer a different name when using WINE? (Message 88046)
Posted 12 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Searching around a bit you can set this in the registry in Wine.

https://wiki.winehq.org/Regedit
https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=11136
2728) Message boards : Questions and problems : Way to adjust/disable project backoff (Message 88019)
Posted 11 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the server you can set next_rpc_delay in config.xml, and you ought to be able to increase that prior to the server going into maintenance, to an amount of time the server is off line. Time is in seconds.

The client's internal backoff timers cannot be overridden. Unless you go through the source code and take them out, then rebuilt. The timers have a random value with a maximum of 24 hours. Although you can use "Retry pending transfers" in BOINC Manager to temporarily try to make contact. For boinccmd that's --network_available (and should be scriptable).
2729) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 88016)
Posted 11 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yesterday was a day that will live on in infamy. I'd brought home the old electric oven/gas stove my mom had used. I myself had an all gas version. So disconnected the one I had, reconnected the 'new' one. The gas was flowing normally, and at first sight the electric oven did as well.

That even I would bake a baguette, so turned the oven on, put it on 200 degrees, setting 2. That went on for a couple of minutes when BAF, everything in the house was dark. The RCD (residual-current circuit breaker) had flipped off. Turned the oven off, flipped the switch back to on, tried the oven again but the RCD would flip to off again. Okay, a fault in the oven then. Sucked for the baguette, but really not much I can do about that. (The oven has since died completely btw).

So okay, flipped the switch again and everything seemed to be all right... but for that we were back to the problem we had before with our new ConnectBox modem/router, that just one computer had internet and none of the mobile devices had WiFi.

I called my ISP and asked for them to factory reset the modem. They tried but it didn't catch, I knew that already because my phone connection to them through the same modem, kept working. I had to manually reset the modem, which I did. That did disconnect the phone line, but didn't do crap for resetting the router. Still only one computer could have internet and no WiFi. Called the ISP again, they'll send me a new modem that'll be here in three days.

Well, that sucks for being internet active. So I just went to bed early last night.
This morning I thought about my old Netgear router and for a test put it back, connected it to the modem. WiFi immediately. Okay, all the connected devices needed to have their password reset, but that wasn't much of a problem. The NAS did have a problem, that although it was wired it kept stuck on its old IP address, so had to reset that as well, then figure out what the default password was on the thing (1234, really?)

Leaves the printer, but as long as I am not really needing it the next few days, I'm not gonna fiddle with the USB connection again to my computer and reset all that. As then in 3 days time I'll have to do that all over again.

Anyway, will now be on the lookout for a power strip with surge protector for that corner there. I don't want this to happen again.
2730) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 88000)
Posted 9 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things are slowly picking up. Tomorrow I'll be moving the last things out of my mom's house, it'll then be completely empty and ready for its new occupants. Who will be signing on the 26th. Can't wait. I get to sign instead of my mom. Hope I don't have to suit up for that. :)
2731) Message boards : Documentation : Wiki Update Request: Leiden Clasical - Closing down (Message 87999)
Posted 9 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
A lot of pages in the Wiki are out of date. The updated list of projects is at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php and in the Add Project wizard in BOINC Manager.
2732) Message boards : GPUs : Two GPUs in a PC displayed wrongly (Message 87998)
Posted 9 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC website only shows the best GPU when more than one of the same brand - but different models - are in the machine. You cannot fix this.
2733) Message boards : API : No answer within 24 hours? Please consider the Email Lists. (Message 87988)
Posted 9 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you've posted something here but haven't had an answer in 24 hours, please consider signing up to any of the following email lists. They all need you to register to post to them and receive their emails:

Boinc Developers List - Use this one for questions about BOINC, be it the forum software, or the client software.

BOINC Projects - Use this one for questions and problems involving BOINC server software.
2734) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87974)
Posted 7 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Almost Saturday here. But why did I need to be woken up? Just because it's Friday?
I did that already this morning and spent most of my day at the old place, cleaning out the garage, separating plastic from wood from paper from glass from general garbage. Must've brought another 100 kilos away to municipal recycling facility and another 10 kilos to my shed.

Did the grocery shopping, got home, fed the cats and guinea pigs, done the dishes, made dinner, put everything on the table, had dinner, moved everything back to the kitchen, done another dishes.

Holly got home and sat behind her computer, only to be in the living room for dinner, then went back to her computer. That's how we apparently do our chores for the household these days. But she's expecting me to be there for her...

So don't happy Friday me. It's not a very happy day for me.
2735) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 87952)
Posted 6 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Burt Reynolds, 82, American actor (Smokey and the Bandit, The Cannonball Run, Deliverance, Boogie Nights, Starting Over)
2736) Message boards : News : Web site changes (Message 87948)
Posted 6 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
How long will the old link to the forums continue to be here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_index.php?
2737) Message boards : Projects : Help Wanted (Message 87938)
Posted 5 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Might be nice to know if it's for programming of applications, or for maintenance of the server/website/forums. I looked on your forums but don't so quickly see a thread that says "Post here if you want to help out". Are people supposed to make their own thread?
2738) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87928)
Posted 4 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Y'all must be having withdrawal symptoms.
2739) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87909)
Posted 3 Sep 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wishing you well, Byron. Everything's so so around here.
2740) Message boards : Android : App on Android Slow to Open (Message 87889)
Posted 31 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment the development of the Android app is somewhat flaky. The 7.4.53 app in the store is from 2016, which at the time was for Android 6.0; all versions after that may work, or may not work. I've got this version to work on my devices up to Android 7.1, but anything beyond is just luck of the draw.
2741) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to post a message in a thread (Message 87830)
Posted 28 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The URL limit is 4 for now. With regards to spamners, I'd rather not change that. There's at least no limit in amounts of posts you can make subsequently in a thread.
2742) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc is unable to connect to the core client (Message 87826)
Posted 27 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, an easier way to get there is by inputting %APPDATA%/BOINC into search an hitting Enter. :)
2743) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd: No usable Gpu Found - boingmgr: Gpu found (Message 87817)
Posted 27 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have got a shortcut to my BOINC Client on my desktop, perhaps easier for you to use:
1. Right click anywhere on the desktop and choose New->Shortcut.
2. For the item location type "C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach_console->Next.
3. For the name of the shortcut, I named it boinc.exe->Finish.

The item location uses quotes because there is a space in the path that Windows otherwise cannot compute. So do type in the quotes as well.
2744) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd: No usable Gpu Found - boingmgr: Gpu found (Message 87815)
Posted 27 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINCCMD.EXE --DETACH
The Boinccmd tool is just a command line tool that allows for easier commanding of the client. The client needs to be running already. I don't think boinccmd.exe --detach does anything, or is even an option.

Make sure you start the boinc.exe from within the BOINC Programs directory, or add the path to the BOINC Programs directory into your environment path. The BOINC Programs directory is the directory where the BOINC executables live, not the directory where the data and project executables live. Default in Windows 8.1 x64 at C:\Program Files\BOINC\

Also, you can enable the coproc_debug flag in BOINC Manager->Options->Event Log options. Then when BOINC doesn't find the GPU, it'll give additional information why not.

And the rest, what Richard said.
2745) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to post a message in a thread (Message 87800)
Posted 26 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
How many links are in the post you're trying to make?
2746) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't delete Boinc (Message 87796)
Posted 25 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before removing it though, I'd rather we first know who he's crunching for. Because that person or group should have to respond for themselves as well, on how this could've happened.

So romes16, can you please go to the BOINC data directory (default a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC, so fill in that path in Windows Explorer and hit Enter.) Then find the account_csgrid.org.xml file and open it in Notepad. Copy the contents and post those here (or PM them to me). Please do the same for the client_state.xml file.

If the data directory isn't at C:\Programdata\BOINC, you'll have to check in the Windows registry what it is.
For this, type regedit in the search and hit Enter on regedit.exe Windows finds.
Next navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup
Here look what it says for DATADIR

I don't think BOINC can run without that entry.
2747) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 87782)
Posted 24 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hell hath frozen over: I've updated to Firefox Quantum 61.0.2 on this computer, after having kept out on Quantum for the past year. Until this afternoon, I was still on 56.something, but I've read that by September 1st the Legacy extensions are going to be discontinued. Plus the problem with the password manager I use has been solved. So no further reason not to update.
2748) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 87778)
Posted 24 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ed King, 68, American guitarist, singer and songwriter for Lynyrd Skynyrd
2749) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Please don't auto-launch on all Mac user accounts (Message 87749)
Posted 21 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Disabling auto-launch of BOINC Manager:
By default, BOINC Manager starts up automatically when each user logs in. You can override this behavior by removing the BOINC Manager Login Item for selected users, either via the Accounts System Preferences panel or by creating a nologinitems.txt file in the BOINC Data folder. This should be a plain text file containing a list of users to be excluded from auto-launch, one user name per line.

An easy way to create this file is to type the following in terminal, then edit the file to remove unwanted entries:

ls /Users > "/Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/nologinitems.txt"


After creating this file, run the installer. The installer will delete the Login Item for each user listed in the file. Entries which are not names of actual users are ignored (e.g., Shared, Deleted Users.)

You can also restrict who can actually run BOINC:
From Selecting which users may run BOINC Manager:
Due to new restrictions imposed by OS 10.6 Snow Leopard, there has been a change in BOINC's security implementation. Non-administrative users can no longer run BOINC Manager unless they are added to group boinc_master.

As of BOINC 6.10.5, the BOINC installer asks whether or not you wish to add all non-admin users to group boinc_master. (As before, the installer automatically adds all users with administrative privileges [i.e., users who are members of group admin] to group boinc_master.)

If you need more selective control over which users should be in group boinc_master, you can use the command-line tool AddRemoveUser.

To add user1, user2 and user3 to group boinc_master, enter the following in the Terminal application:

sudo {path} AddRemoveUser -a user1 user2 user3


where {path} is the path to the AddRemoveUser application. This also sets a login item for each specified user so that BOINC Manager will start automatically when that user logs in.

You can also use:

 sudo {path} AddRemoveUser -s user1 user2 user3

This is the same as the -a option and also sets BOINC as the screensaver for the specified users.

To remove user1, user2 and user3 from group boinc_master, enter the following in the Terminal application:

sudo {path} AddRemoveUser -r user1 user2 user3


This also removes the BOINCManager login item for each specified user. If any of the specified users had BOINC set as their screensaver, it will change their screensaver to Flurry.
2750) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87742)
Posted 21 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It think there's no outage today. Enough projects have planned maintenance already, so perhaps Seti is not doing it today.
2751) Message boards : Questions and problems : I completed projects, but work done and credits stays at 0. (Message 87741)
Posted 21 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your account says you got credit.
Your work done does as well.

You mean it doesn't say in BOINC Manager? Did it contact the project with a request for work?
Because if it doesn't have contact with the scheduler, the scheduler can't send the up-to-date information back to BOINC Manager. Try clicking the Update button in BOINC Manager.
2752) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 87737)
Posted 21 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN planned maintenance:
We will be taking the project offline at 1pm (UK time) today in order to take a database dump. This is part of the work of re-establishing a master-slave database setup. Once the database dump has completed the project will be brought back online again later today.
2753) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 87735)
Posted 21 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein@Home forum index says:
Proxy Error

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET /forum_index.php.

Reason: Error reading from remote server

Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) Server at einsteinathome.org Port 443
2754) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to install BOINC Update (Message 87714)
Posted 18 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try a reboot first
2755) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87702)
Posted 18 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Annie wrote:
defrosting the freezer.
The freezer is defrosted. The two microfiber cloth had soaked a good bit of the water, but there was still a puddle under the fridge/freezer combo, so I moved that whole thing to elsewhere in the kitchen and mopped the floor. Have left the doors of the fridge/freezer open so they can naturally get rid of their moist.

Mike wrote:
You can post in technical threads with zero RAC.
I was already wondering how else you would report problems with apps/tasks if you hadn't managed to run any of them correctly and were a first poster there. But thanks. :)
2756) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87694)
Posted 17 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can't. Everything's going into overdrive now, as the house has been sold and it now really needs to be empty ASAP. Of course now my brother's gone on vacation. But at least he's closer by than he had originally planned. France for Thailand.

Yesterday I emptied the fridge and freezer, then disconnected it from power. Came back 7 hours later to find the freezer still full of ice. Good insulation! So I opened the door, put two microfiber cloth down and hope for the best, will check on that this morning.

I'll then also take down the lamps I had planned to take with me.
2757) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87691)
Posted 17 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think there is a RAC post limit on Beta.
2758) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 87677)
Posted 16 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Aretha Franklin, 76, American Soul singer & songwriter.
2759) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to finish a work unit without pausing? (Message 87673)
Posted 16 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC has that option: ask the project to take out the checkpointing for that application, and its tasks will run from start to finish without break.

Edit: of course, if for some unforeseen reason the run is broken, the calculations will restart from the beginning.
2760) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87606)
Posted 13 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah... but they do. My ISP's helpdesk called me yesterday, on Sunday.
2761) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't detect VB notice. (Message 87605)
Posted 13 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't the thing here that the host-OS in WINE is 64 bit, and VBox is 64 bit, but BOINC is 32 bit and thus it can't detect a 64bit VBox? Won't that be solved by uninstalling the 64bit VBox and installing the 32bit version?
2762) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87596)
Posted 13 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Surprisingly, they called me. They had a negative answer to a question I'd placed in email about the WIFI password: it won't take spaces or Boolean characters. The helpdesk couldn't tell me if this was going to be fixed in the future.
So if I had any other questions? I asked about the MediaBox XL that was dropped off. Well, egg on their face, I shouldn't have had that thing. He's going to send me a return box in which the thing will fit. Best send it back as well, as else they'll have to charge me for it. Err right.
2763) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87583)
Posted 11 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The saga continues: the MediaBox that I cancelled has come in! I still cannot log into my account to check what they've made of my order. Fun!
I'm not going to call them again.
2764) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does BOINC continue to run tasks when the deadline has expired? (Message 87575)
Posted 10 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can easily return work after the deadline, and as long as you're first to return it before the next person who got a replacement task sent, get credit for it. Some projects don't even adhere to the deadline, with massive models being calculated, such as ClimatePrediction.net. They give work out with a far-away deadline, but it happens that that deadline isn't even reached. Then it's useful that BOINC continues afterwards.
2765) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87572)
Posted 10 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had another chat with the ISP helpdesk, as today I received two emails.

One told me that the 'call for free for a set price' package on my land line was stopped, even though I had let it continue on my new subscription. Apparently it has to be stopped on the one and started on the next, so for the next five days I have to watch out who I call, as now it costs 10 cents start tariff plus 10 cents every minute thereafter. Great. (Calling the ISP is free, via their 1200 toll-free number)

The other email was a mystery to me as it told me I had ordered something from them and they had sent it to me. For the life of me, I couldn't figure what it was then. Can't log in to my account there either as that's still unavailable (and has been for the greater part of this week!)

Now, I went from an All-in-One package (250Mbit internet/telephone/Digital TV with 77+ channels) to a cheaper one called Complete (200Mbit internet/telephone/TV Online and 45 default channels). They were trying to send me the MediaBox that comes with the Digital TV... a thing I was sure I turned off! Plus I already have the old one (a Cisco PVR). Yes, but this was easy to record with, the lady said. Uhm, the last time I recorded anything was in 2016, the last time I watched TV on the TV and via that box was before the summer. We don't use it. I even plan to take the PVR out of the equation and connect the cable directly to the TV, once all this has been acted out.

So I cancelled the MediaBox, could still do that. It's not needed.
Wonder what happens next week... ;-)
2766) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduling 2 GPUs (Message 87571)
Posted 10 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think ignore_nvidia_dev is one of those cc_config items which can't be changed dynamically while the client is running.
Yes, all GPU detection decisions are made at BOINC startup. There's one caveat, and that's the fast user switch/remote desktop protocol login, that one will disable all GPUs when it's detected and re-enable them when it's gone.
2767) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87558)
Posted 9 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I fell asleep on the deck of a ferry taking us from Piraeus to Lesbos some years back, and woke up striped all over. They lasted about two years.
And were called the family-zebra for the duration of that time? (behind your back). ;-)

Don't start about other halves...
2768) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87554)
Posted 9 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, my arm is now tanned. Well, part of the arm. There's an abrupt end halfway down my biceps, where the sleeve of the T-shirt sat. But all the small bumps and blisters are gone. Also, the nice weather is gone. Rain. Storm. Lightning. Thunder. How boring that can be all of a sudden, when you had it for three days. ;-)
2769) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87551)
Posted 9 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
At 8pm I still didn't have WIFI and only one computer was able to make an internet connection. From a changing IP address each time the router started as well. Of course the next router restart, my computer didn't have internet, instead the tv-server did, which was fine with me. We could then at least watch something on the internet while having dinner.

Ten past 8 I called the helpdesk.
15 past 8 they reset the router to factory settings.
15 past 8 and 10 seconds, I had everything: WIFI, complete network, internet, the works. I've since that time been busy putting every apparatus on its own static IP address, the NAS was the most difficult... until I saw our network had changed from 192.168.1.xxx to 192.168.178.xxx, then it was there within a minute.

Now the only thing I still have to add is the printer, but for that I need a USB cable. And none is long enough of course. So I'll have to move it to the other side of my desk tomorrow, hook it up, set the new WIFI password and be off.

Not very secure, the WIFI password as spaces aren't allowed. Sigh. They'll get a complaint about that.
2770) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87544)
Posted 9 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grumbles under breath. My ISP decided that today was the day my old modem had to be discontinued... which is fine, but the new modem hadn't been activated yet, so I am between modems and have severe trouble getting places. I can't reach my LAN because the router is deactivated. I can't reach the modem, because it's not activated. I do have telephone, I have internet on this computer, I don't have WIFI.

I just see that this computer has an IPv4 address that's 86 addresses above that of the gateway, so I appear to have a direct connection to the internet. Let's not turn this computer off. ;-)

Called the helpdesk. First person said they'd activated my WIFI and it would be fine after 15 minutes. Three reboots of the modem further, I again had only some internet and telephone. Nothing of the rest. Called the helpdesk again, this time they figured out that administration had put me between deactivation of my old subscription and activation of my new one. I'm now on the fast activate list, things should happen within now and the next 4 hours. And if not, I should call them again and they'll send a repairman... however long is that going to take?

To compensate me they've turned on the XL special package for TV... but I can't see that because I have 'watch TV via internet' and there's that problem, yeah?

(P.S: I won't make the conference call, because of foretold problems. Besides, it also falls at the time I will probably be calling my ISP again.)
2771) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen Saver not rely a Screen Saver. (Message 87522)
Posted 8 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You just agree with me that BOINC screensaver is broken.
No, I didn't. It works fine and as is on all systems that have one monitor, and on multi-monitor systems it runs just on the primary monitor, just as it is stipulated in the OpenGL 1.0 program code.

I'm trying to tell the developer that they need to FIX they screensaver is not acting like a screensaver when it won't load properly all the time and all screensavers are supposed to work on ALL monitors no matter how many you have. I want BOINC to fix it.
Great, then find someone out there on the big internet who is capable of writing a new OpenGL screen saver from scratch, and have it run in OpenGL 2.1 or higher format. "The developer" is you, as BOINC is open source, and it's a community driven software development.
2772) Message boards : Questions and problems : Zone Alarm has started writing thousands of files to disk (Message 87520)
Posted 8 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
SandBlastBackup is NOT a BOINC directory. As far as I can find it's from ZoneAlarm Firewall / SandBlast Agent. That directory holds a copy of all files on disk in case you get hit by ransomware.
2773) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87502)
Posted 7 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, finally, rain. For the first time since May do we have serious rain here, complete with light shows and loud noises and bangs. Gonna enjoy it, and at the end of it, stand outside in the rain. The lightning is a tad too much now to do so.
2774) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen Saver not rely a Screen Saver. (Message 87496)
Posted 7 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC screen saver does not like a secondary screen
BOINC screen saver is OpenGL 1.0 compliant. Multi-monitor support is only available in OpenGL 2.1 and above. You also need hardware that's complaint for that (videocard). The BOINC screen saver has not changed much in all these inter-lying years. The way that Windows (10) starts screen savers has changed a lot.
2775) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87495)
Posted 7 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
And here I thought it had to do with main moderators doing banishments left & right and being banished. :D
2776) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87482)
Posted 7 Aug 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Checking in. It's too hot to go anywhere anyway (35C), plus I have had to stay out of the sun for a minimum of four days as I severely burned my left arm on Friday, on our biggest trip so far. The sun block didn't help. We'll go back to vacationing and tripping tomorrow, when it's supposed to be cooler again. And raining.

The night before our vacation started, the power button on my PC started acting up. It's got a blue LED in it, and it started flickering, going off, back on, etc. Checked all wiring, all was fine as I could see. It's now mostly off, with here and there a flicker of light. The system itself runs fine. Well, since I changed out a hard drive, as on the first day of the vacation my system wouldn't hibernate anymore. It always restarted with the Windows log in screen and telling me a catastrophic event had occurred.

That appears to be my Seagate Barracuda 2TB HDD, which runs very hot (it emanates heat really), and when checked with SMART would tell me that the Current Pending Sector Count and Uncorrectable Sector Count were showing a red mark, meaning replace this thing immediately.
So I borrowed a 6TB drive from Holly and copied both partitions over from the 2TB to the 6TB drive, and then removed the limping 2TB drive from my system into a docking station. Since that time my sytem's been running fine. Still with flickering power button LED.

Now, I am looking for a good way to remove the data on the disk and empty it out before handing it to the scrap dealer in the flat.
Remember in films and series where a person removes all data from his TB's of drives within seconds, before the police march in and find not a shred of a byte on the drives? I found it's not that easy. I can remove the partitions all right, but that doesn't remove the data. I can use AOMEI Partition Assistant to do the remove partition and wipe all data, but that's going to take "17 hours, 39 minutes and 46 seconds or more".

I'm wondering if the PC gurus around here know of a quicker way - one that doesn't include using a drill or sulfuric acid. :)
I cannot use the Seagate Seatools, as it doesn't recognize my docking station. I could use Windows' normal format (not quick) as that does a single write zero pass at the end of formatting, but I would prefer something that does multiple passes. Any suggestions?
2777) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87401)
Posted 31 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let's make it official: name changed. I'm giving the boards over to Richard and Bernie. Have fun all.
2778) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87386)
Posted 31 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Counting the hours until I can slam the door behind me.
2779) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87372)
Posted 30 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all you English on here:
2780) Message boards : Android : Odroid c1+ Android issue pauses (Message 87365)
Posted 29 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Development of the Android client is at a total stand still, because we don't have a developer for it.

This however could well be a thing caused by Android telling BOINC that the battery is at zero percent and that this action is now needed. You're lucky as well, as. I have a tablet with a broken battery and when it reaches zero percent battery, it just turns off.
2781) Message boards : News : Client version 7.12 released (Message 87353)
Posted 28 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
since the release of this new version i have noticed on two of my machine running it that it while it says 4 or 8 projects (different cpu cores on these machines) are running - the manager only shows one at a time actually progressing.. has anyone else noticed this?
If you still need help with this, can you please post the contents of your cc_config.xml file, global_prefs.xml file and if it exists the global_prefs_override.xml file. All can be found in the data directory and can be opened with Notepad.
2782) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.12 not compatible with Mac High Sierra version 10.13.6 (17G65) (Message 87352)
Posted 28 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you mean, it's not compatible with High Sierra? What kind of error message do you get?
Or else what happens when you install BOINC?
Have you tried to redownload the installer in case it got corrupted somehow?

So please explain more. Without such information I cannot approach the developer.
2783) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.12 not opening TCP listener on Win 10 x64 Pro (Message 87351)
Posted 28 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've just installed 7.12.1 on a completely bare Windows 10 1803. It only has Firefox installed, no anti virus or other anti malware. Just Windows firewall.
It started without trouble.

One thing I see in your log:
28-Jul-2018 15:03:05 [---] Creating new client state file
That only shows when you didn't have a client state file before, thus an empty data directory. Did you delete the data directory prior to reinstalling BOINC? Or did you use a different data directory before?
2784) Message boards : News : Client version 7.12 released (Message 87347)
Posted 27 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go to the BOINC programs directory and remove RebootPending.txt, that'll fix that.
2785) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager closes on selecting 'Notices' tab (Message 87334)
Posted 26 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Little question on the aside, you do have the language of BOINC Manager set to English or English (UK)?
2786) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87328)
Posted 26 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Grmble. Wndws Tn. Grbg.

Yesterday I had the idea to use the laptop in our house to setup the new modem/router I received from my ISP. I could directly connect it with a cat6 cable, and setup the thing. Right? Well no, because Windows Update figured it needed to update the laptop first. First all the updates for 1709. Then when those were done 1803. And when that was done, all the updates since then. It's been busy for over 24 hours to do those updates, 24 hours in which I couldn't use the laptop, as it was slow as snails in molasses.

I'll do it tomorrow morning then, when temperatures are a little down again. We reached 37.6C today, new Dutch record. Tomorrow it's expected to be even more. Fun!
2787) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop 2018 (Message 87299)
Posted 25 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What temperatures are expected on Friday? Oh, only 27C? But with chance of thundery showers. Good luck.
2788) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87297)
Posted 25 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since temperatures are down a little, it's only 29C, I spent the better part of the morning and afternoon on moving the last remaining boxes from mom's garage to my shed. Cost me a good liter of fluids, seeing how my clean T-shirt is now a wet rag, but I got it done. Let the hot hot weather come, I don't have to do heavy lifting no more.
Took me 5 drives to & fro, have found out there's 10 unique ways to drive to the house. I've used 8 of them. :)

Now off to take a shower.
2789) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87278)
Posted 24 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Ice Lounge is now available for Europeans who can't stand the heat and like to cool down.
The Furnace Lounge is opened for others who have chilly temperatures and like to endure something hot.
There's a live Skype connection between the two so you can still chat to your mates.

All catering is done by gender neutral bots.
2790) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87260)
Posted 24 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord could do with a flat where the temperature isn't 30 Celsius indoors.
2791) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop 2018 (Message 87257)
Posted 24 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you ask those climate guys to stop making it so darn hot? We're not in Australia or the desert where these temps are normal. :-)
2792) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 87215)
Posted 22 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Kinda glad I don't go to the workshop this coming week. Apparently the deities decided this must be the hottest week of the summer thus far. Temperatures go 30-37C here this week. Although I see that they don't expect as hot weather in Oxford, I don't feel the suits will like 27-29C either. Bring a fan, Richard.
2793) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request: suspend GPU tasks when fullscreen app is running (and stop enabling the screen saver by default) (Message 87214)
Posted 22 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. You can disable the use of the screen saver in the installer (in the third screen, click Advanced, then uncheck 'use BOINC screen saver") when you next upgrade/install BOINC, or in Windows (Personalize->Screen Saver->set to anything but BOINC, or to None.

2. What you request re: suspending GPU when a game runs is already built in.
Open BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view->)Options->Exclusive Applications. Here you can set which programs suspend BOINC completely when certain programs run, or suspend GPU computing when certain programs run.

This requires that BOINC runs Activity based on preferences.
2794) Message boards : Questions and problems : Delete account option, in accordance with the GDPR (Message 87201)
Posted 20 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's taken a while for all the code to have gotten together, but it's finally here: your own account delete option, available in Your account. This in accordance with the new European General Data Protection Regulation.

Delete Account

You have the ability to delete your account. Please note that this cannot be undone once it is completed.

The process works as follows:

• Enter in your password below and click on the "Send Confirmation Email" button.
• You will receive an email which contains a link. Click on that link.
• On the page displayed, you will need to re-enter your password and then click "Delete Account".
• Your account will then be immediately deleted.
2795) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager closes on selecting 'Notices' tab (Message 87198)
Posted 20 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Are you using the Windows firewall?
2. What is your anti-virus software?
3. Do you have the BOINC programs directory excluded from active scans by the AV?
4. Has anything changed on your system between the last well working version and now?
5. What was the last well working version?
6. Have you tried reinstalling that version?
2796) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager closes on selecting 'Notices' tab (Message 87188)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for noticing the typo and thanks for the log. We have the developer looking in now.
2797) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 87186)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the people with the problem that on the "get password" link they don't get a new temporary login link sent:

David Wallom wrote:
The problem has been identified that the university SMTP server has been reconfigured to not allow sending from non university domains. Therefore I have a ticket in to ask to have CPDN.org added to the list of approved senders..
2798) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87182)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The server at setiathome.berkeley.edu is taking too long to respond.

The HTTPS connection is still trying.
2799) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager closes on selecting 'Notices' tab (Message 87175)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I heard back from the developer. He asks you to check the contents of the srderrgui.txt file.
This file can be found in two places, one in the data directory, the other in %APPDATA%/BOINC (fill that in in the Start->Search option). Check in either place if the file holds data and if so, which holds the newest. Then post that here.
2800) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 87173)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow, that's fast. 30 minutes ago I ordered my new Internet + TV package from my ISP.

My old one was 250Mbit Internet, cable TV, digital TV, Online TV and telephone for 80 bucks/month.
My new one is 200Mbit Internet, cable TV, Online TV and telephone for 65 bucks/month. Eventually that price will go down further as they're phasing out the cable TV.

But they've just reset & turned down my internet connection already. That's fast.
2801) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager closes on selecting 'Notices' tab (Message 87171)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I will ask the developer who does most of the GUI these days if he has an idea.
One thing, you did allow BOINC Manager and the client through your firewall (on TCP 31416)?
One other thing, which tab are you on when you switch to Notices? Or does it happen from all other tabs?
The Notices tab doesn't have buttons, btw.

When you switch to Simple View (via the View menu) and then click on Notices, does it open normally there?
2802) Message boards : BOINC client : Fail to add project (Message 87170)
Posted 19 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go through the 'attach project' process again, and examine the log.
On Linux he should start the client with <code>boinc --redirectio</code> then, or otherwise the output is only going into the terminal window which is truncated. With the --redirectio attribute you tell BOINC to log to the stdout and stderr log files. (And this was glaringly missing from the documentation, so I added it).
2803) Message boards : BOINC Manager : GUI suggestion for 'Statistics' tab (Message 87166)
Posted 18 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The list of projects shows so you can select or deselect one or more of them. This is independent of the buttons on the left. The All projects (separated), All projects (together) and All projects (sum) will only work on the projects you selected on the right. When just two or three projects are selected, yet you have 25 showing, only the two or three selected will be shown in the main window and act on those buttons.
2804) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87162)
Posted 18 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things are looking up, BitFenix are sending me a replacement fan for free. Thumbs up!
2805) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87159)
Posted 17 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Zzzzzzzzzzzz-wha?-zzzzzzzzzzzz
2806) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 87139)
Posted 17 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sniff: RIP 200mm Bitfenix fan. It threw two fan blades. Extra reinforced, my backside!
2807) Message boards : Questions and problems : latest boinc will not shut down (Message 87129)
Posted 16 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well yes, it can happen that tasks continue to run, but this is something you'll have to take up with the project they're from, as then it's their science application not listening to the BOINC shutdown.
2808) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager closes on selecting 'Notices' tab (Message 87128)
Posted 16 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you can try is to delete the contents of your notices map - it's a sub-map of the BOINC data directory, so in your case it's at L:\DC\BOINC\Data\notices - and then restart BOINC.
2809) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC ownership or permissions are not set properly; (Message 87114)
Posted 15 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try running the Mac_SA_Secure.sh command-line shell script.
Also try to redownload the installer, in case it got corrupted somehow.
2810) Message boards : Questions and problems : latest boinc will not shut down (Message 87110)
Posted 14 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reinstall BOINC
Open BOINC Manager
View
Advanced view
Options
Other options
Check "Enable Manager exit dialog?
Save

In BOINC Manager
File
Exit BOINC
Check "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"
OK
2811) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 87106)
Posted 14 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nancy Sinatra, 101, American, first wife of Frank
2812) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.12 Change Log (Message 87102)
Posted 13 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.12.1 available for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.12.0->7.12.1

  • fix auto-attach for Windows



Available installers:

Windows 7.12.1
- boinc_7.12.1_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.12.1_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.2.8 included
- boinc_7.12.1_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.12.1_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

2813) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 87101)
Posted 13 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
Thanks to everyone for testing 7.12.0.
Testing revealed a bug that affects only Windows, and only the autoattach feature.
I made a 7.12.1 for Win that should fix this.
If you're on Win, please test autoattach again using this.
If this checks out I'll make this the recommended version.
2814) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 87098)
Posted 13 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Just to let you know that the scheduled database dump has now been completed. The project has now been restored and is running.
2815) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 87092)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I must say, in my last post before this one I baited you. My apologies for that.
However, the way you talked back wasn't very nice. I'm giving you an official warning for that. I only warn once. The next time, without warning, your posting abilities will be revoked for whatever time I or another moderator finds necessary. Please remain civil in all your answers, and if you cannot, then please find another forums where they can tolerate your outbursts and choice of language.
2816) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 87088)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tell that to Seti, who bring the whole project down every Tuesday for a full system backup.
Tell that to Einstein, who regularly bring everything down for a full system backup.
Tell that to WCG, who regularly bring everything down for a full system backup.
There's probably other projects who do it. And especially if you have no slave server ready, in case anything goes wrong, best bring everything down.

I still haven't seen you post on their forums during the time they were up, with neither of your accounts. So just continuing your trolling here, ey?

May I ask that you stop with the attacks (again)?
2817) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible bug. (Message 87087)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The preference option is called If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? so no, that's not a bug.
2818) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 87080)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
We will be taking the project down at 1pm (UK time) today as part of a planned downtime. This will be in order to take a backup of the database at that time. We anticipate that the project will be offline until 9:30am (UK time) tomorrow.
2819) Message boards : Projects : Climateprediction.net Outage (Message 87078)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
And just to make sure you use the right link, CPDN's forums - when available - are on https://www.cpdn.org/cpdnboinc/forum_index.php
2820) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87056)
Posted 11 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
@ Jord, enjoy your vacation and I hope your going to a somewhat cool climate.
Well, hold on, I know y'all want rid of me, but it's still only in three weeks time. We're doing day-trips to sight-seeing places, because we have two elderly cats that need medication in the morning and evening, and we can't ask a neighbor to do that. (The last time we asked him, our guinea pig died...)
2821) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 87051)
Posted 11 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, reading around I find that the Kryo 280 CPUs in your Snapdragon 835 are integer heavy, but regressed in floating point math.
I've found as well that it is by design, just not by Android, but by the Snapdragon 835 cluster itself. Look at this image which is quite self-explanatory: 20% of the time the performance CPUs are used (big), while for 80% of the time the efficiency CPUs are used (little).

Furthermore, a lot of all the things you use the device for are calculated on the HVX (Hexagon Vector eXtensions) and GPU (neither of which can do floating point math), leaving the CPU to do only the OS. That combined with its low performance in FP, may account for all the things you see. It's just not built to do (aggressive) science.

[1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/9552/qualcomm-details-hexagon-680-dsp-in-snapdragon-820-accelerated-imaging
[2] https://www.xda-developers.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-kryo-385-cpu-cores/
[3] https://www.anandtech.com/show/11201/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-performance-preview/2
2822) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 87048)
Posted 11 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, you mentioned a "CPU Usage Overlay". I probably don't have that here on Oreo, but could you tell me exactly where it is on your system and what version it is? Thanks
You have to enable developer mode for that, usually done by tapping the build number in About Device in rapid succession.
Then in the main Settings menu, go to Developer options and it's some place at the bottom. I have it in Android 4, 6 and 7, so I wouldn't know hy it wouldn't be there in 8. .

Are you able to use adb? That might help you see what's really going on, like I was able to. It's pretty straightforward, if your device supports USB debugging (have to enable it in developer options) and then on Windows you use "adb shell".
Ah see, you do have developer options already enabled.
I'll see tonight if I can work my way around that. Am busy defrosting my freezer. Also something that needs to be done some times. :)
2823) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87044)
Posted 11 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, write into your calendar then that I'll be away August 1 - August 14, on vacation. I hope those Seti maintenance days will be prosperous.
2824) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 87042)
Posted 11 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had tested it on my Huawei P9 lite just prior to falling asleep on my phone, but didn't see any change between automatic and manual starting of BOINC.

I use the CPU Usage Overlay from Developer Options to quickly see what the load is that the CPU has (green bars for low load, red for high load). I didn't see much difference in those, plus CPU-Z still showed my big cores doing their 1402/1805/2016 mega dance.

So therefore I still feel that this is done by design, because you have very powerful CPUs in a small package with nowhere for the heat to go when they do their thing. To make sure Google/Android/the device maker isn't liable to pay for damages due to the device having burst into flames, I'm pretty sure they've built something in that prevents this from being utilized as you want to. With the thought behind it being that if you want that, you best buy an actively cooled laptop.
2825) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 87041)
Posted 11 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Must be that they're trying to fix the login problem at Seti, as when you make a new account, or you change your password on an existing account, afterwards you won't be able to log in due to the password never being recognized. This means you can't add Seti to BOINC either!

As for POMM, I sent that in the day you requested it, but that's also the day that David went completely incommunicado. I can't help it, as it's something he'll have to do. But in the mean time, and to also make sure you don't post like that again, I'll banish your hide for 2 weeks. If after those two weeks it's still not fixed, we'll throw in the banish forever lot. That way your posts aren't visible to mortal lots, only to the gods.
2826) Message boards : Android : Move BOINC a SD Card (Message 87040)
Posted 11 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already in our Issues list at #1599.
Do know we don't at this time have an Android developer, so this won't be done quickly.

I also don't think it should by default install on the SD card, as there are plenty of devices out there that don't have an SD card, and to obligate everyone to first go out and buy one before they can use BOINC is the wrong method of doing so. Two of my Android devices happily run BOINC and neither has an SD card.

Also know that Android doesn't use the 'store up to N days' and 'additionally' preferences, so the cache it does store is only the tasks it's running plus one or more when those tasks are almost done.
2827) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 87018)
Posted 10 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think that that's BOINC doing that, I think that's Android doing that. BOINC doesn't tell the OS what priority it wants to use, it'll be the OS's scheduling service that does that. But to be sure about that, you'll have to write in on the BOINC Dev email list with a CC to Oliver Bock and perhaps Rom Walton (if you can ever get him to answer you). Or perhaps put this in Github Issues.
2828) Message boards : Android : Preferences > Max. Battery Temperature (Message 86976)
Posted 10 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Remember, when in doubt and if you think your Android is overheating then put it in the freezer for at least a minute or two.
Which is a nice way to break it indefinitely, due to rapid temperature changes causing condensation inside the device. Not really a good idea.

Using a large fan is a good way to cool your Android device(s). See my temp setup, which until I have the foam whittled down a bit, is a good way to cool them down.
2829) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 86965)
Posted 10 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
AFAIK, people shouldn't have to change the URL as it'll redirect to https when it finds http. That is, when https has been set up correctly.
2830) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86964)
Posted 10 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you'll have to fend for yourselves today, aside from this message I won't be in today. Have a fun fine outrage.
2831) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 86958)
Posted 9 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope you can root it. The Archos, I cannot. I've tried 4 different rooters, none of them are able to finish.
I had the biggest problems getting BOINC to run on it, and only managed after removing and disabling a lot of preinstalled apps. Even now it's still reacting slowly when I try to do anything on it.
2832) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 86954)
Posted 9 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPU-Z Thermal tab, for me, says "No Thermal data". But its Battery tab says "Temperature: 33.0 *C"
Yes, that's what my Archos does as well. Something they did to the OS so it won't find the info. I doubt there's no thermal sensor on these.

So then your only option is by touch (*), on the back of the device. Slowly feel around and when you find some place that's radiating some heat, consider it's hot. What CPU would run at full blast without getting quite hot without active cooling?

(*)Edit: or thermal camera.
Edit(2): My Archos seems to have a Cortex-A53 CPU (quad core). So those 'big' from the Samsung S6 that run only sporadically....
2833) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 86952)
Posted 9 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't use CPU Monitor to monitor temperatures as I find it's not very accurate. Instead I use the Thermal tab in CPU-Z for that and then only look at soc_thermal or mtktscpu.

For instance on my Huawei P9 lite, which I connected to a powerbank, the soc_thermal says it's running at 48C, while CPU Monitor says 37C. Just 11 degrees difference, puh.

(And for that matter, the past hour I've been looking at my Archos 70d Titanium. According to the various sites, it's a 32bit ARMv7 CPU (Cortex A7) with a Mali 400 GPU. Seti however tells me it's got an AArch64 v3 CPU with a Mali T720 GPU. When I look that up on the Archos site, I get to an Archos 80 Oxygen, so I suspect that I have that device but with the wrong outer cover. I'll have to open it one time...)
2834) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 86950)
Posted 9 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it possible that, when user selects 8 concurrent tasks, all 8 tasks are bouncing on the 4 little cores, and none are processing on the big cores?
I use CPU Monitor and CPU-Z to check what happens on my devices. The first for load on individual cores, the latter for CPU temperatures.

Running just 4 cores has CPU Monitor show that just the first four cores run at a constant 1709MHz, with the other 4 cores showing disabled. When I run more work to a total of 7 cores, the other 4 cores show a speed alternating between 1402MHz and 1805MHz with bursts up to 2016MHz.

That's comparable to early Intel Xeon CPUs. Would you want to run such a CPU at 2016MHz without cooling? I wouldn't! :)

Regarding temp:
The phone is in a case on the desktop, battery temp is fine, 31*C while fully charged with BOINC running.
While it's good to keep an eye on battery temperatures, the CPU or SoC temperature is also something to keep an eye on. I find when I run with 4 cores on my phone, that the temperature stays at around 38C, but with 7 cores it's 50C max. (I leave one core free for the phone, and to keep temperatures reasonable)
On my old Huawei phone that's even more interesting, as there temperatures when I turn on the screen rapidly rise from the first visible 38C to over 60C, I attribute that to the GPU being either built into the CPU, or in close proximity. Although, having read about the SurfaceFlinger service...

Then there's an Archos 70d Titanium tablet that I have, it uses all 4 cores and that's all the info I have on it. Neither CPU-Z nor CPU Monitor manage to find what temperatures it runs at. Something that Archos did to their Android 7.1.1, I think. But it's scorching hot to the touch. So hot that it lies on top of two tie wraps on a 200mm fan. Just to keep cool.
2835) Message boards : Android : Android - Help - How to use all CPUs at maximum frequency? (Message 86947)
Posted 9 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Jacob,

This is a restriction that's in Android itself, which you cannot get around.
From how the Samsung Galaxy S6 uses its octa-core processor (as a direct comparison):

The Exynos 7420 is an ARM based processor which uses a system known as Heterogeneous Multi-Processing (HMP), which means that not all the cores are equal (hence, heterogeneous). The Galaxy S6’s processor has a cluster of Cortex-A57 cores and a cluster of Cortex-A53 cores. The A57 is a high performance core, while the A53 has greater energy efficiency. This arrangement is known as big.LITTLE, where “big” processor cores (Cortex-A57) are combined with “LITTLE” processor cores (Cortex-A53). This is very different to the 6 or 8 core desktop processors that we see from Intel and AMD, as on the desktop power consumption isn’t as critical as it is on mobile.
and further down:
On the Exynos 7420 (and on the Snapdragon 615) cores 1 to 4 are the LITTLE cores (the Cortex-A53 cores) and cores 5 to 8 are the big cores (the Cortex-A57 cores). The graph above shows that the Exynos 7420 is favoring the little cores and leaving the BIG cores idle as much as possible. In fact the little cores are hardly ever idle were as the BIG cores are idle for between 30% to 50% of the time. The reason this is important is because the BIG cores use more battery. So if the more energy efficient LITTLE cores are up to the task then they are used and the big cores can sleep.

That's essentially what happens here. All the background chores are done by the 'LITTLE' cores, everything that then needs more CPU, is done by the 'big' cores. But because these eat a lot more battery, they're used sparingly and will clock down immediately, even run at idle. It doesn't matter here if you have your device on a loader and the battery is full, Android will not let these cores go at it out loud.

My day-to-day Huawei P9 lite smartphone does also have 8 cores, 4 of which are pegged at max, the other 4 do the science in bursts.
I'd also be very worried if that phone was lying on my nightstand without adequate cooling.
2836) Message boards : Questions and problems : Compiling for headless use? (Message 86936)
Posted 8 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
./configure --disable-server  --disable-manager

See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient and https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BuildSystem for documentation
2837) Message boards : Projects : Acoustics@home "forgotten password" issue (Message 86888)
Posted 4 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're the BOINC forums, which while they run on the BOINC server haven't got anything to do with other pages on the domain where you can register yourself. Accounts made at the BOINC Wide Teams (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/), Trac Wiki (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac), the BOINC User Manual Wiki (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Main_Page) and the BOINC Alpha site (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/index.php) are all stored in databases running from those sub-domains. Any posts made with them don't count towards these forums.

You can also see that from the addresses, as we're at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/index.php, which is a different sub-domain than BWT at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/

The Cross Project IDentifier (CPID) is only used for and by statistics sites, to track your account and computers across BOINC projects, where your computers are attached and do science. It's not used here, or at any of the BOINC sub-domains.
2838) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 86884)
Posted 4 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
The database dump has now completed and access to the https://www.cpdn.org/cpdnboinc/ page is now restored.
2839) Message boards : Projects : Acoustics@home "forgotten password" issue (Message 86883)
Posted 4 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If in doubt, you can always check at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/ if all your information was filled in correctly.
2840) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86878)
Posted 4 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's saying your TV came with a manual. It may be second hand or one of those brands where the manual is only to be found online. Or on a CD.
2841) Message boards : Projects : Acoustics@home "forgotten password" issue (Message 86873)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Team Founder accounts imported via the BOINC Wide Team function contain only the email address and the team information, they don't contain a password. So the first time you want to log in you always have to go through the 'forgot password' link (which for them btw is at http://www.acousticsathome.ru/boinc/get_passwd.php)

I just tested the forgot password link and got an email within the same minute. I've also already managed to add a password.

This email was sent in response to a request on the Acoustics@home web site.

To log in to your Acoustics@home account, visit:
http://www.acousticsathome.ru/boinc/login_action.php?id=181&t=1530659513&h={blurb}
(This link is valid for 1 day).
After logging in, you can change your account's password or email address.


So, make sure you fill in your correct email address, no typos.
When mail is sent, check that it doesn't go into your spam folder.

If any error messages occur at the forgot password page, tell me about it.
2842) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 86869)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
Alpha testers:
A new version of the BOINC client (7.12.0) is ready to test. Please help us by doing the tests described here:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php and reporting the results here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Release notes for 7.12 are here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes_for_BOINC_7.12

It's important to test that auto-attach to account managers works. The instructions for this have changed slightly; follow them carefully. If you have any questions about this test, post to this list or email me personally.

Thanks -- David
2843) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.12 Change Log (Message 86868)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.12.0 available for Macintosh, Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.10.3->7.12.0

  • Mac: fixes to installer for issues under OS 10.12 High Sierra
  • Mac: finish implementing fixes to installer for issues under OS 10.12 High Sierra when multiple users are to be allowed to run BOINC Manager
  • When auto-attach to an account manager, show its name.
  • Work correctly with account managers that use authenticators rather than name/password.
  • Windows 10: detect and report Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL)
  • Supports HTML in project terms of use
  • Fix Next buttons in attach wizard after failed login
  • Show informative error message if login token lookup fails



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.12.0
- boinc_7.12.0_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.12.0_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.12.0_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.12.0
- boinc_7.12.0_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.12.0_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.2.8 included
- boinc_7.12.0_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.12.0_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

2844) Message boards : Documentation : Icon's and logotype's licence (Message 86867)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
First make sure to name the program correctly: it's called B O I N C
Second, whatever is needed is written on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/logo.php

The BOINC logo and its variants are in the public domain. If you use one of them in a web page, we ask that you link it to the BOINC web site (currently https://boinc.berkeley.edu) or display this URL near the image.
2845) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86860)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's buttons on the side/bottom of all those flatscreens. :)
2846) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86858)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
When forums are so stressful, why go there then?
2847) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 86848)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then go do that on their forums.
Then go do that on the BOINC Projects email list.
Then go do that in private mails to the admins.

But not here. I'm sure we can all stand a little critique, but your continuous onslaught made the last thread cringeworthy and had a negative look on BOINC as a whole. You may have spoken the truth about many things, and you can continue to do so, but please do so without the ad hominem attacks and the attitude. Just think how you would want to be spoken to/about on these or other forums.
2848) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 86846)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
I am afraid there has been an issue with the underlying storage of CPDN. The storage of CPDN is held on a GPFS storage unit, this has experienced an issue with one of it's power cooling modules. The servers of the project are unaffected, however the download files of the project are held on the GPFS storage and these are inaccessible. This will mean that we cannot start the project again until this is solved.
Andy Bowery wrote:
We are going to use down period for the chance to take a backup of the database. So I will need to disconnect the database from the website for 24 hours for this to occur. Now as we have no slave database machine we have to make regular downtimes in order to take dumps of the database. A new slave machine has been ordered so we only need to do this for a finite period.
2849) Message boards : Projects : CPDN Offline Again (second act) (Message 86845)
Posted 3 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
More news about CPDN and how it's trying to come back up. I've locked the other thread and will allow views and comments in this thread, however, please leave the attacks out of it. Any such posts will be removed.
2850) Message boards : Questions and problems : CANCEL as default on options change (Message 86839)
Posted 2 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not settings. It's preferences. It's local preferences, not local settings. You speak of web-based preferences, so why use settings for the local ones?

Edit: the present blurb at the top of the window says:
"Using local preferences. Click "Use web prefs" to use web-based preferences from {project-url}"
or
"Using web-based preferences from {project-url}. Set values and click Save to use local preferences instead."

So keep the same text all over.
2851) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC doesn't support UWP/Windows app to be added as an exclusive application (Message 86835)
Posted 2 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I can research, Universal Windows Platform applications come in a container that has a non-executable extension, like .appx and .appxbundle
That's why BOINC Manager will tell you that this isn't an executable. (Ref: Packaging UWP apps)

Since the manager cannot look inside such a container, it cannot determine whether there are executables available.
A workaround is, to check in Task Manager what the exact executable's name is when the application is running and add that (like you do manually) to cc_config.xml
2852) Message boards : Projects : Distributed Hardware Evolution (Message 86832)
Posted 2 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I figured it tout by going to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/JobTemplates (which you gave), then clicking on the create_work() link. This gives the list of commands to give when making work. The only thing sounding like it referenced deadline was --delay_bound
Then doing a search for delay_bound gives a lot of options, I just picked the one with the best on-page description of what it did.

I long ago stopped wondering why BOINC uses two or more attribute & object names for one single value. :)
2853) Message boards : Questions and problems : CANCEL as default on options change (Message 86830)
Posted 2 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy to accept improvements, but can we get our thinking caps on quickly, please?
"Clicking Yes, BOINC will default to using the local preferences. It will ignore your web-based preferences, even if you make changes there. Do you want to proceed?"
2854) Message boards : Questions and problems : CANCEL as default on options change (Message 86827)
Posted 2 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two points of trouble.

1. People don't read the blurbs, no matter what their length. Although longer blurbs will definitely be just clicked on, as they don't hold the user's attention span. We have plenty of people who still complain about their GPU 'all of a sudden' not being found after a BOINC installation, because they've installed the upgrade as a service. See how long the blurb is on that?

2. Translations. Translations can be even larger and thus more reason for the user to ignore what it says.

"This will set BOINC to use the settings on this page as your defaults from now on. BOINC will ignore your web-based preferences, even if you subsequently make changes there. Do you want to proceed? "
Translated in Dutch that will be
"Hiermee wordt BOINC voortaan ingesteld om de instellingen op deze pagina te gebruiken als standaardinstellingen. BOINC negeert uw webgebaseerde voorkeuren, zelfs als je daar vervolgens wijzigingen in aanbrengt. Wil je doorgaan?"

Might be me, but I don't feel the English in the first sentence flows as it should do.
2855) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86818)
Posted 1 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ha Byron, good to see you're still in the land of the living communicators. Hope all is (relatively) well. :)
Apart from high summer here with temps 27-32C (80.6-89.6F) - and as well for the next three weeks apparently - all is well here.
2856) Message boards : Projects : Distributed Hardware Evolution (Message 86810)
Posted 1 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/JobSubmission#creatework-tool
--delay_bound x

From https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BackendState
Result state variables
report_deadline

Give up on result (and possibly delete input files) if don't get reply by this time.

    Set by scheduler to now + wu.delay_bound when send result. 

Time is in seconds, default is one week.
2857) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master' and 'boinc_project' User Accounts (Message 86805)
Posted 1 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Those accounts are limited to use the BOINC programs and data directories and files therein only. They cannot do any of the things you ask. And even if they could, they could do them on the BOINC programs and data directories and files therein only. So not really interesting for potential attackers.

You can check if the project's application checkpoints by setting the checkpoint_debug flag in Event Log Options (CTRL+SHIFT+F) and then checking the event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E)
2858) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple BOINC projects; individual daily schedules?? (Message 86804)
Posted 1 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, thinking about it, perhaps not. But at least, be careful when moving parts of the data directory to elsewhere, do run that by a Linux guru as to me it sounds like a sure way to break things and (lots of) lost work.
2859) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple BOINC projects; individual daily schedules?? (Message 86800)
Posted 1 Jul 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your BOINC installer installs to home/gene/BOINC and sets up all the correct paths for the client to follow afterwards. You cannot indiscriminately move things from the data directory to other places, that will cause errors.
And it's not necessary. If you want to go the multiple clients route, they can all use the same data directory.

Even if you had managed to run a hypothetical 18 clients, they can all run from the same data directory. It's not the data directory that's the problem here, it's the setting up of the multiple clients and their correct ports, in a timely fashion.
2860) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86785)
Posted 30 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes Carl, you know so well. Yet the one thing I haven't seen you do is offer your supreme knowledge to the project's admin(s) to help out. That's a BOINC thing as well, you know, where those who know help out those who don't? Instead it's been a litany of flaming and a display of narcissistic egotistic superiority. I thought better of you before this. You've fallen flat on your face, in my opinion. Sad.
2861) Message boards : Questions and problems : LiveKernelEvent 141 (Message 86769)
Posted 29 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC by itself doesn't use your GPU, a project science application does. All BOINC does is detect the GPU according to the drivers installed. The project science application will do the rest, as long as OpenCL capability is installed.

The GPU needs drivers to talk to the operating system. If something in these drivers isn't right, they will crash when under load. Be that Windows load, games load or the project science application load. The only way to overcome the problem you have is to try different drivers, older ones, newer ones. It isn't a BOINC problem.
2862) Message boards : Projects : Climateprediction.net Outage (Message 86754)
Posted 29 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please read through https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=12430 for more up-to-date information. The project is slowly coming back up, its forums and website are available via https://www.cpdn.org/cpdnboinc/forum_index.php. There is no work as there are still scheduler problems to be fixed. Or more to the point, the project has to buy a new SSL certificate for its work server.
2863) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master' and 'boinc_project' User Accounts (Message 86753)
Posted 29 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The option to install not as a service is in the installer, third screen in, click Advanced, on the next screen uncheck "Service Install".



You can uninstall BOINC and reinstall it without losing work in progress, as long as the project has checkpointing applications.
Unfortunately, the BOINC uninstaller does not clean up after itself, so it won't delete the accounts it made. You will have to do that by hand.

From an elevated command prompt:
net localgroup boinc_admins boinc_master /delete
net localgroup boinc_projects boinc_project /delete
net localgroup boinc_admins /delete
net localgroup boinc_users /delete
net localgroup boinc_projects /delete


That leaves rights to the BOINC data directory showing from accounts with a long hexadecimal numerical name, you can delete those by hand. Or leave them. Best do these between uninstall BOINC and reinstalling it.
2864) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86748)
Posted 29 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ha. My three Android devices (one tablet, two phones) run Seti with a RAC of 555 (albeit that's diluted as the fourth device still showing RAC is no longer crunching due to a broken battery). But apparently a RAC of 500+ is possible, and that for less than 1 Kilowatt hour per week.

The tablet and one of the phones are cooled by one 230mm Bitfenix fan connected to a Delock fan splitter with Molex in connector and a 12V AC adapter with Molex out connector. The fan splitter can be set to 5V and 12V, the 230mm fan can run at both, albeit slower of course at 5V.

I run the fan only during the heat of the day, and disconnect the AC adapter at night. Really love the Bitfenix fans, as they have a lot of holes, so one will always fit to a case. Not that I am using a case here, not yet anyway. Been a bit dumb though as last week I threw out some protective foam that I could've used to clamp the Android devices into. Oh well.
2865) Message boards : Questions and problems : LiveKernelEvent 141 (Message 86744)
Posted 29 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
A question without a question? In any event, it tells you the problem is in your ATI driver (_atikmpag.sys), not with BOINC.
You can try to read through https://appuals.com/video_tdr_failure-atikmpag-sys-windows-8-110/ to see if there's a fix for you.
Another possibility I see in the AMD forum is that your system can't use dual channel RAM.
2866) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master' and 'boinc_project' User Accounts (Message 86736)
Posted 28 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you do not install BOINC as a service, it shouldn't install those accounts. As far as I know, those are only used for the sandboxing of the client, and that only happens when you install it as a service. When not installed as a service, it's installed under your own user account.
2867) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 86725)
Posted 27 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Joseph Jackson. 89, American talent manager and father of Michael Jackson
2868) Message boards : Android : Problems with Android device (Message 86724)
Posted 27 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's a setting in Android, where it shuts off applications that use too much battery when the screen is off. You can turn that off.
My P9 Lite (Android 7) runs Seti fine.

Settings->Battery->Close apps after screen lock->slide the switch for BOINC to off.
You can also get there via Settings->Battery->Consumption level->Software->BOINC (tap it to open)
I've set Power-intensive prompt 'On', Close after screen locked 'Off'
2869) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't even install. (Message 86723)
Posted 27 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's a Windows problem.

Try to run disk clean up and remove the unwanted system files and folders. Through disk cleanup you can remove all the temporary files and folders that are not needed on your computer. See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17421/windows-free-up-drive-space, option "Use Disk Cleanup" for more information on that.

That you cannot install SP2 is something you shouldn't just shrug off either. Best try to fix your Windows first, by doing a reinstall of the OS.
2870) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86705)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thought just CC and two beer brands had the CO2 problem over there? Well, and 60% of the poultry butchers.
2871) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86702)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't like Alan Alda? Hmmf. :)
2872) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86701)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem is with the amount of encryption registrations that CPDN has done, the error we now get is due to the main server being registered with an encryption that's outside the limit of the maximum amount of encryptions they could do. So it's going to take at least a day for Andy to get this fixed.
2873) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86699)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From riddles to the vibration clock. :P
2874) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computational error - how to erase related data? (Message 86693)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment CPDN has problems with their servers, after it's come back from a month long hiatus. I wouldn't expect work from it anytime soon.
So it's best to wait until their servers are actually back and you can have contact with them, as reporting erroneous work will clean up a lot of data afterwards.
2875) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86683)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me moves a lounge chair to the middle of the room, puts a 'reserved' sign on it.
For when Anniet comes in again.

The rest of us can do with the old wooden church chairs/bunks. :)
2876) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86682)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowers, CPDN admin wrote:
Hi All,

Just to let you all know: the main project has now been restored. I have now rebuilt all the main project servers and services, and re-enabled the project. The project is now running from a new server: 'caerus.oerc'.

The project is currently only running from a master database, there is currently no slave server. The project has ordered a new machine to replace the slave database. Until the slave database machine arrives the project will be taken down on regular occasions to take a dump of the database.

Please let me know if you spot any issues.

Best regards,

Andy

Do know that the project is only available via HTTP for now, while Andy figures out how to re-implement SSL on the main server. Oh and there may be problems connecting to the server at this time.
2877) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to stop using GPU? (Message 86678)
Posted 26 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or maybe he's changing the wrong venue/location.
2878) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to stop using GPU? (Message 86671)
Posted 25 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, in the action centre, right click on the BOINC icon, and select "snooze GPU"
Uh, why? That'll only stop it for an hour, then it'll start up again.
Why not tell him to update BOINC in the normal way?

Either via BOINC Manager:
- Projects->Select Einstein@Home->Update

Or via command line:
- boinccmd --project https://einsteinathome.org update
2879) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installing the BOINC and virtual box software on external HDD. (Message 86666)
Posted 24 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uninstall BOINC via Add/Remove Programs.
Move the BOINC Data directory and all its contents from C:\Programdata\BOINC\ to D:\BOINC\ (or whichever letter the external drive has)
Reinstall BOINC.
In the third screen of the installer, click Advanced.
Change the second path from C:\Programdata\BOINC\ to D:\BOINC\
Continue installation.

As for VirtualBox, uninstall it in the same method as above, then reinstall it, tell it to do a custom installation, adjust the path where to install it to D:\VirtualBox\ and continue the installation. (That's a guess, it's been over a year I installed VirtualBox and I am not going to do that now).
2880) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android Einstein@home "Could not connect" while trying to attach to the project (Message 86665)
Posted 24 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem is with the Einstein server, first its create_account RPC was broken, as on other platforms it was impossible to add the project as well. They fixed that, but that didn't fix it for Android. So they're still working on that. All we can do is wait.

Keep an eye on https://einsteinathome.org/content/android-could-not-connect-while-fetching-configuration-file as that's the place where the Einstein developers will be communicating first.
2881) Message boards : The Lounge : Thanks to the Admins (Message 86651)
Posted 22 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Talking about my halo, it does look a little dull. How about a quick spit&shine? :)
2882) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86647)
Posted 21 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not super secret that list. I'm not a moderator on CPDN yet I manage to receive the emails. Just saying. :)
But as far as I understood their servers aren't real hardware, they solely exist in a VM and that VM has had corruption problems. So how do you run a barebones server in the VM when the VM is corrupt?
2883) Message boards : The Lounge : Thanks to the Admins (Message 86646)
Posted 21 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Swoon... Compliments! Yay!

:)
2884) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver (Message 86645)
Posted 21 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which operating system, please?
Have you checked in the settings for your mouse that it's allowed to wake the computer?
Most screen saver actions are done by the operating system, especially activating and deactivating it (by mouse, keyboard or other HID).
2885) Message boards : Questions and problems : Programme Launching to blank screen (Message 86636)
Posted 20 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you start BOINC Manager, could you check in Windows Task Manager->Processes if boinc.exe is running? If it isn't, then that could be the cause. BOINC consists of two main parts, the client (boinc.exe) which does all the scheduling and storing of data, and the Manager (boincmgr.exe) which allows you to control the client via a graphical user interface. If only BOINC Manager starts up, but the client doesn't, the Manager will be empty.

This can happen when something in Windows blocks the starting of the client. Think overactive anti-virus or other anti-malware programs.
Always exclude the BOINC Programs directory and Data directory from active scans by the anti-malware programs.

You can test if it's this, by doing Start->type boinc.exe in Search, click boinc.exe when it shows up. Check in Windows Task Manager->Processes that boinc.exe is running, and if it is, start BOINC Manager. Does that fix it?
If boinc.exe is still not running after you manually tried to start it, something is blocking it and you'll have to figure out what.
2886) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86633)
Posted 19 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The trouble with that is that I then don't have a videocard to put in the TV server, which means we can't watch anything on the NAS or via the internet. Besides, it's working as it should while Holly games with it. I've also looked into the crashes and mouse problems and found both to be 'a thing' for Nvidia since 2009. Lots of people have been reporting those to Nvidia and are still waiting for a fix.

Shrug. :)
2887) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86631)
Posted 19 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I dislike it. Its driver is constantly crashing & recovering, it leaves a distortion in windows when scrolling through a directory or a page in a browser, at times it slows down mouse operations (movement, scrolling) which can only be fixed with a reboot, it won't even run its fan at full speed unless I tell it to via MSI Afterburner.

Next time I have money I'll be getting an AMD again, never had trouble with that one.
2888) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86628)
Posted 19 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just as I am trying to get the tasks back from an ailing Android tablet. Its battery is broken, it takes 15 hours to fully load it, then 4-5 hours to unload. When it reaches 0% the tablet turns off. The BOINC on there had 4 tasks last night, so I shut it down and let it load the battery to 100%. This morning before I went out I let BOINC rip, had to stop it when I got home just 3 hours later because battery was just 23%, waited for it to get to 53% before I allowed BOINC to continue... and then Seti went down, of course. ;)

So it's got one task left to crunch, another one to upload/report. When that's done, I'll reset to factory settings and bring the thing to recycling.

But I have to say, running Seti on 3 Android devices with a total of 16 cores - 8 of which are crunching 24/7, the other 8 during the night - gives a RAC comparable to a quad core CPU (~400 credit). But this at a fraction of the cost, as in total these three leftover devices take up about 18 Watt/hour.
I'm building a dedicated box for them with 2x120mm fans at the bottom, blowing cool air past them. Now I have an old air-purifier sitting straddled on top of them, but that thing alone takes 16W/h, and is enormously loud.

I'm contemplating buying a BitFenix Spectro Pro 200mm fan and use that instead of the 2x120mm, but I have those already so will try with them first. If they're too noisy, what I expect, I'll exchange them for the 200mm fan. Got a small 5V/12V (switchable) PSU with Molex connector out, going to a fan splitter with Molex connector in (and 6x3pin fan connectors out). I'll see if I can add my fan speed controller to it as well. So far that cost me €30,- including P&P.
2889) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86619)
Posted 19 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy will be mailing the moderators list later today with an exhausting list of what was done and what's still to do. Things are looking up.
2890) Message boards : Questions and problems : Job_log_.txt pruning (Message 86613)
Posted 18 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment BOINC doesn't do this automatically yet. I forwarded your post to David Anderson, who made it a Github Issue for development: #2564
2891) Message boards : Questions and problems : Transfers tab - history (Message 86604)
Posted 18 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or you can think, if there's nothing in the Transfers tab, everything is OK. :)
If there are things waiting in the Transfers tab, it is because you paused Network activity, or because the project is down.
2892) Message boards : Questions and problems : Transfers tab - history (Message 86600)
Posted 18 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Completed transfers of any kind show in the event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) and as long as you left the file_xfer flag intact in cc_config.xml.
For more verbosity, it's possible to add file_xfer_debug
2893) Message boards : GPUs : Using Nvidia Tesla Dual GPU card (Message 86594)
Posted 17 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
<cc_config>
   <use_all_gpus>1<use_all_gpus>
   <ignore_nvidia_dev>3<ignore_nvidia_dev>
</cc_config>

It's missing the end tags, as the log tells you. Tags start with
<something>
and end with
</something>
, with a slash at the start of the tag.

So in your case, that's
<cc_config>
   <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
   <ignore_nvidia_dev>3</ignore_nvidia_dev>
</cc_config>

However, <code>use_all_gpus</code> is only used when you have two differing same brand GPUs you want to use, for instance a GTX1080 and your Quadro. When a dual GPU is detected, both GPUs on there ought to be exactly the same already, as Nvidia doesn't release dual GPU cards with two wildly differing GPUs.

I checked your system on GPUGrid and the one task you ran there does say it ran on the Tesla, which is possible. But that you may have had a forced driver update from Windows in the mean time. Windows drivers take away at least OpenCL capability. If you haven't done so yet, you may want to disable automatic driver updates in Windows 10.
Another possibility is that the GPUGrid application can detect the GPUs in your system and use them.
2894) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android Einstein@home "Could not connect" while trying to attach to the project (Message 86593)
Posted 17 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I've tested it on my own phone and there it can't connect either. Now, Einstein has had to change its SSL certificate, which may be the problem. If it is that, there's not much you or I can do about that, as we cannot reach the ca-bundle.crt file that causes this.

In the mean time I've forwarded my log to one of the Einstein developers, I'll await his answer before picking this up further. I've pointed him to your thread on the Einstein forums, you may want to keep an eye on that. I wouldn't expect an answer before Monday though.
2895) Message boards : Questions and problems : task manager is disconnected using windows 10 (Message 86576)
Posted 16 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Disconnected means that the manager (graphical user interface) cannot connect to the client (the actual program). This can happen when:
1. the client isn't running. Check in Task Manager if boinc.exe is actually running.
2. something else is taking up the port that BOINC uses to communicate between its parts (TCP 31416)
3. you didn't allow said port or BOINC's program parts through the Windows (or third party) firewall.

It's of course also possible it's something completely new, Windows 10 specific (but then I would expect a lot of people complaining about it), or specific about your system (more likely).

You do know that when you exit the command line, that BOINC closes, unless you use <code>boinc.exe --detach_console</code>?
That added command starts the client and closes the command line window while leaving the program running.
2896) Message boards : Projects : A strange, new project (Message 86569)
Posted 15 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I find interesting is that it uses volunteers for it, not volunteers' computers... so know what you sign up for. ;-)
2897) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android Einstein@home "Could not connect" while trying to attach to the project (Message 86565)
Posted 15 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set the verbosity of the message log by going BOINC Manager -> Preferences -> Check Show Advanced preferences and controls -> BOINC client log flags -> check http_debug ->Save.Try it with that and post the log back.
2898) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86555)
Posted 13 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
For when you wanted to do some cryptocurrency but cannot easily decide which: current prices of all cryptocurrency (1,628 at the time of writing, choice enough!)
2899) Message boards : Projects : Distributed Hardware Evolution (Message 86554)
Posted 13 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just reading.
to host an island running a Genetic Algorithm in an island - What?

based coevolutionary setting synthesising future super-reliable electronics such as those used in autonomous vehicles, power stations, medical equipment, aerospace. - So they're talking about the Internet of Things? If this is to run on that, what do they need us for?

These are of increasingly paramount importance as more and more human lives rely on well functioning hardware. - Uh... so why do a BOINC project that's hardware based (see name) and is supposedly looking at new IoT implementations? How are they using a user's computer to figure that out?

Observation of population dynamics will also help us understand Evolution, not only to harness it to reach 'better than human' designs, but also to learn how migration rates, genetic diversity and the inner mechanisms of genetic recombination have concerted to reach the biodiversity and wonder of living organisms today. - So they're not looking into new IoT implementations?

DHEP is based at the University of Sussex. - I put the link as they did it and can tell you that doesn't work.

Now the explanation from http://www.dhep.ga/ is way better, after you managed to get past the initial blurb which again doesn't make sense...
Host an island with a population of circuits struggling for survival in a hostile online world. During your PCs idle time individuals from this population will evolve through artificial evolution in a process of survival of the meekest into circuits with Concurrent Error Detection (CED) and will compete with those hosted on other PCs by migrating to and from them. These circuits will not be constrained by conventional design rules since evolution finds efficient solutions without worrying about how complex they are to understand - just as it did with our own bodies and brains.

Just start reading from Self-Diagnosing Hardware and it's more understandable. Also, the stand-alone client was Java based. I'm not sure how far the developers came with integrating Java into BOINC, but fingers crossed they manage to figure this out.
2900) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86540)
Posted 12 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Place your bets in the special private betting office at the right of the hall to the toilets. It's GDPR proof. If you don't want anyone to know what you bet on, be silent. :)
2901) Message boards : Questions and problems : Impossible to re install Boinc Manager [OS X] (Message 86539)
Posted 12 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then I don't know. I've forwarded your post to the BOINC developer for Mac.
2902) Message boards : Questions and problems : Impossible to re install Boinc Manager [OS X] (Message 86532)
Posted 12 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
See https://secure.clcbio.com/helpspot/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=323

Newer Mac systems include a security setting that can block the installation of apps downloaded from places other than the Mac App Store. To install (the software this help page is for), you need to allow apps downloaded from identified developers as well the Mac App Store. Do this by adjusting your security settings:

1. Go to System Preferences | Security & Privacy
2. Click on the padlock icon at the lower-left corner to enable you to make changes.
3. Choose "App Store and identified developers"
2903) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exempt Project from "Compute only between" Setting (Message 86516)
Posted 9 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Client Configuration - Options:
<dont_suspend_nci>0|1</dont_suspend_nci>
If set, exempt non-CPU-intensive tasks from suspension in most cases. New in 7.5

But I am not sure if it will work in your case, as the 'compute only between' preference is pretty strict. When my brain clears, I'll try to find more about it tomorrow. In the mean time, you could try it.

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<don't_suspend_nci>1</don't_suspend_nci>
</options>
</cc_config>
2904) Message boards : News : Client version 7.10.2 released (Message 86514)
Posted 9 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check that Activity (BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Activity menu) is set to "Run based on preferences". If it's set to Run Always, it'll do exactly that.
Also check that boinctray.exe is running. This is the BOINC idle detection program.
2905) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot update to 7.10.2 (Message 86510)
Posted 9 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I updated the version history, release notes and change log for this update.
2906) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.9/7.10 Change Log (Message 86509)
Posted 9 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.10.3 available for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.10.2->7.10.3

  • Patch wxWidgets 3.1.0 to fix BOINC Manager crash on OS 10.6



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.10.3
- boinc_7.10.3_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.10.3_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.10.3_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

2907) Message boards : Questions and problems : AMD/ATI GPU at 0% utilization, NVIDIA GPU works great (Message 86488)
Posted 7 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yay! :)
2908) Message boards : Questions and problems : AMD/ATI GPU at 0% utilization, NVIDIA GPU works great (Message 86486)
Posted 7 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, Primegrid requires that the GPU supports CAL for (most of?) their AMD applications. If you updated the driver on the R9 to the newest, the CAL support in it got deprecated. You either have to return to the older driver you had before, or no longer use the AMD GPU for Primegrid.

I get these messages on startup:
07/06/2018 22:39:26 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
07/06/2018 22:39:26 | | App version needs CAL but GPU doesn't support it

That's for my:
07/06/2018 22:39:26 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: Radeon (TM) RX 470 Graphics (driver version 2580.6, device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (2580.6), 8192MB, 8192MB available, 5161 GFLOPS peak) which doesn't support CAL either, and really doesn't in hardware.

CAL is the old ATI way of doing calculations on the GPU, before they dropped support for it and went all out on OpenCL. While the applications at Primegrid may run in OpenCL, they require CAL detection of the GPU. Even Seti has a couple of those.

I think that the last driver to have full CAL support was 15.7.1
2909) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use more Resources (Message 86483)
Posted 7 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I said that overclocking can introduce errors, I never said anything about it being unstable. However, you cannot compare the use of the CPU or GPU between a game and a science application. The latter can require that the hardware used must be as much error free as possible. For instance, in a game you can drop one to more pixels on a GPU without it being noticeable, or drop one or more data transfers on the CPU which will cause a stutter, while the science application will then only throw errors.

Overclocking will also add more heat, and more heat can also mean more errors. Even the Turbo setting on CPUs, with which the manufacturers temporarily clock the CPU at a higher clock speed, can cause trouble.

So all I said was, that if you see a lot of errors, clock down to more normal levels. Or add better cooling. Or do both. .
2910) Message boards : News : Client version 7.10.2 released (Message 86471)
Posted 6 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
In this thread, or you can post a new thread in the Questions and problems forum.
2911) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86469)
Posted 6 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN main hooha wrote:
Hi All,

The CPDN project has been taken offline. We are currently performing a database dump from the backup project. This is being performed in order to construct a new dedicated main database server.

Best regards,

Andy
2912) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ritchie (Message 86468)
Posted 6 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't find any request for help from you at their help desk forums.
The only Ritchie from New Zealand with credit has these computers. If that's your computer grouping and your last problem was with the AMD/Windows 10 system and you ran only on the GPU, then I suspect you ran into the problem where Windows updates the videocard drivers for you which disables OpenCL. And without OpenCL, no work to be had for the GPU. Only by telling Windows to stop auto-updating drivers and by reinstalling drivers from AMD can you overcome that problem.

If you're still looking for help, it's always best to post a BOINC start up log (CTRL+SHIFT+E in BOINC Manager). The first 40 lines or so will do.
If you came just to rant and be on your way, then so be it. Bye, I'd say.

Do know that we are not the Seti forums....
2913) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86461)
Posted 5 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Get a cow, camel, llama or hypo?
2914) Message boards : The Lounge : Microsoft is acquiring GitHub (Message 86452)
Posted 5 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let's hope they don't go the Skype way, with adverts everywhere.
2915) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86448)
Posted 4 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the 'copper heat pipes' are really steel heat pipes with a copper outer layer, which has burst off in places.

Here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/cVb9gAHqmHGbqE973
With detail shots.
2916) Message boards : Questions and problems : Integration Options (Message 86446)
Posted 4 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That depends primarily on what operating system your system is going to use.
And what do you want, a ready to download and install package, or self-port and build BOINC to make sure it works on your system?
2917) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86445)
Posted 4 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting... the Geforce 1050 comes without power connectors, so it takes all its power from the PCIe bus. At least I could remove one more cord from the PSU then. Really useful having a fully modular PSU.

As for the damage to the heat pipes, see this, that and that. I'll try to remove the fans for better shots.
2918) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Creating Custom Boinc client (boing gui manager) Installer for windows (Message 86443)
Posted 4 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi and welcome to the BOINC forums,
I asked David and he told me you'll need InstallShield, although you may get into trouble that the *.ism files don't work with a newer version of InstallShield. David still uses an older version.
You can skip the code-signing steps.
2919) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use more Resources (Message 86437)
Posted 3 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now I've started a Project
It depends highly on which project you chose.
Not all projects use masses and masses of memory, for most of them that's not really needed either.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X OC to 4GHz.
Do know that overclocking the CPU can introduce errors. If you see a lot of task err on the CPU, clock it down a notch, or try for its standard clock first.
2920) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86431)
Posted 2 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me plays Last Post to the Sapphire AMD HD7870 that just died tonight. It was the videocard of the PC connected to the 42" TV. We started a Youtube video and part way in, a cacophony of sounds, a black screen and a hung computer. Rebooted into a green screen. Rebooting into the BIOS gave a severely dotted screen.

Looking at the card, the heat pipes on the heat sink have cracked copper, it's completely gone in places, showing the card has been very hot.

I've temporarily replaced it with the older HD6850, while I'll go shop for a new card.
You've done good, boy and you can rest now.

Edit: its replacement is going to be an MSI GeForce GTX 1050 2GT OCV1.
Going from 175W usage to 75W usage... that'll be a difference. :)
2921) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver (Message 86428)
Posted 2 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The screen saver is always installed, as you can always at a later time decide you want to use it anyway, that way you don't have to reinstall..

The option in the installer asks if you want to use the screen saver, it doesn't say anything about if you want to have it installed or not.

It also doesn't use the internet, but BOINC does communicate on localhost (127.0.0.1) with all its parts, so that can flag an overzealous firewall.
2922) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86426)
Posted 2 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that's the thing. You can't register to a dead project, because you won't be able to reach the scheduling server. But if you had the project added at the time of it going permanently dormant, after a month it won't automatically remove that project from the list.
2923) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86424)
Posted 2 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
yeah I know there''s a "exponential backoff" for a "downed project" that goes up to a week between requests I think
It's a random value with a maximum of 24 hours, which will randomly change again if 24 hours is met. This to ensure that all computers reaching the 24 hour back off don't simultaneously chime back at the same time.

but once upon a time there was supposed to be an "automatic detach" for a project that seemed dead after a month of trying.
I can't remember this, or if it's ever been implemented. Doesn't seem like a good thing, because then everyone who has old projects left on their Projects list, ones that have been deceased long ago, will have lost these projects, as with every BOINC start up it will contact all projects in the list, to see if they have new Notices...
2924) Message boards : Questions and problems : *SOLVED* Locked out of BOINC in Win 10 Insider Preview (Message 86423)
Posted 2 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thing I read about future Windows 10 versions is that Microsoft is eventually trying to go to the situation where only apps from the Microsoft store are allowed to be installed. Although they said that would only be for Windows S initially, I've read later reports that it's set that way in newer versions as well and that you have to disable that if you do not want to use that.

It might be worth pursuing that.
Also know that because you choose to run at the bleeding edge for your Windows version, that you can run into intentional and unintentional bugs and that you best report behaviour like this at Microsoft first. I don't see how BOINC is going to fix it that you cannot any longer install it. That's something Microsoft should fix.
2925) Message boards : Questions and problems : Save versus Cancel in config and options type windows.... (Message 86410)
Posted 1 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
We've changed from the OK button to the Save button to clarify that when pressing Save the changes will be made immediately. People would look into this window and click OK, and then later complain that their preferences had changed to the local ones without them 'knowing'. As far as I know, the only change we made was to the lettering of the button, not to the activity of it, but if you want a direct line to the developer who made the change, you'd best ask via an Issue ticket at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues

Referencing tickets: #601, #2043, #2050
2926) Message boards : Questions and problems : Email notifications not working for me (Message 86409)
Posted 1 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm testing this and for me it works.

BOINC: A user has posted to 'Cannot update to 7.10.2'

from: BOINC Admin
to: *@gmail.com
date: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:00 PM
mailed-by: isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu
security: Standard encryption (TLS)

Another BOINC user has posted to the thread
"Cannot update to 7.10.2".
To view the updated thread, visit:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=12465
That's to my gmail account.

Perhaps that your ISP drops these kinds of mails, or that they don't do secure emails (yet).
So before I put this to the attention of David, may I know your individual email ISPs? And can you ask them whether they drop mails like that? Or check the spam filter, that they didn't disappear in there?
2927) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC not respecting exclusive application lists (Message 86407)
Posted 1 Jun 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that Activity is set to Run based on preferences for CPU and GPU.
2928) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86402)
Posted 31 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good for you, Amazon, for saving The Expanse.
2929) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver (Message 86377)
Posted 29 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
In Windows 10, the screen saver options are under Control Panel->All control panel items->Personalization->Lock screen->Screen saver settings, where you can choose your screen saver again.
If you don't want the BOINC screen saver to take over next time, make sure to deselect the option in the installer.
And yes, the name is BOINC, not BIONC. In case you were doing searches and Windows not finding anything.
2930) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86372)
Posted 29 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
ESO is off line anyway for a hotfix, gives me time to install the latest AMD drivers for my videocard. Talking about heat, it's 27.5C where I sit, the thunderstorms have moved northwards and left us with no wind, so there's no option to cool the flat down. Everything open, but it doesn't matter.

Ah flickering of my monitors is now happening, so quickly post before it reboots.
2931) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86371)
Posted 29 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's called a denial of service attack. Distributed if there's a plan behind it.
2932) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86346)
Posted 29 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're having severe thunderstorms starting above our heads, it's been a continuous thunder since 3 pm. No end in sight, hope the rain comes down soon.
Best shut down my electrics again.
2933) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86345)
Posted 29 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since it's impossible to get to the News forum, I'll be reposting what Andy wrote here as well.

Andy Bowery, CPDN admin wrote:
First of all the project: http://www.climateathome.info is not a CPDN project, it is a BOINC project that I understand is not currently active.

So here is an update on the infrastructure:

The CPDN computing infrastructure is based in the department of OeRC (Oxford eResearch Centre), 90% of it is running in a cloud computing environment that is shared by a number of non-CPDN projects. This cloud computing environment can be divided into two parts: a virtual machine side where the servers run, and a file system. Since the beginning of April there has been a major problem with the virtual machine side of this cloud computing environment, this problem has been progressively corrupting each one of the servers of the project. What this means is that each one of the project servers will need to be rebuilt from scratch, 7 or 8 servers will need to be rebuilt. It is anticipated that it will possibly take some weeks to setup the whole CPDN infrastructure again, in the meantime the project will continue to run from the backup project server that is outside of the cloud computing environment. In the meantime we will be sending out only the most important batches of workunits.

Thanks very much for your patience through this, and thanks to you and the other Moderators for responding to volunteers on the boards.

Let me know if you have any further questions.
2934) Message boards : News : Client version 7.10.2 released (Message 86333)
Posted 28 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had to revert this machine to 7.8.3 which "repaired" installation fine.
If you did that by reinstalling 7.8.3, then the problem is now fixed.
The problem happens when Windows gets confused about which BOINC.msi package to use, because it's lost the vital information of where it parked it. We've had this problem about forever on Windows, there's a whole long, long FAQ on this and similar errors.

But if you reinstalled 7.8.3, the link with the correct BOINC.msi has been restored and you can now install 7.10.2
2935) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 86330)
Posted 27 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ted Dabney, 81, American, co-founder of Atari company.
2936) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager not connecting automaticaly to service MAC OS X (Message 86303)
Posted 24 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have read all at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X?
But this sounds like a permissions problem. Or you should move your BOINC Manager into the /Applications directory.
2937) Message boards : GPUs : By FOLDERS, stop gpu auto with games (Message 86283)
Posted 23 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which is fine and would work that way for Spanish versions and only if BOINC is installed in the default programs directory.
Better is to figure out how to read the registry at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup and look what the contents are for INSTALLDIR, then use that to point to boinccmd.exe

For instance:
FOR /F "tokens=2* delims=	 " %%A IN ('REG QUERY "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup" /v INSTALLDIR') DO SET ID=%%B
will read that from the registry and store it in ID
The code above after delims= consists of a tab first and then a space. It requires both.

If you need the data directory, use:
FOR /F "tokens=2* delims=	 " %%A IN ('REG QUERY "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup" /v DATADIR') DO SET DD=%%B
2938) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU unused, unstable CPU consumption (Message 86282)
Posted 23 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the VM, your hardware, your software etc.
To be able to use GPU passthrough in a VM you need:
- a CPU/motherboard that's capable of GPU passthrough
- CPU may not be a K version (overclockable Intel) when Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Haswell, as these don't have VT-d.
- a GPU that's capable of GPU passthrough
- a VM that's capable
- to enable VT-d/AMD-Vi/IOMMU in the BIOS/UEFI
- run Linux as the host OS
- use KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine)
- Install Windows as the guest OS in the VM
- a second videocard for the host OS
- a second mouse/keyboard for the VM

You say you use Windows 10, well too bad, but GPU passthrough does not work on any Windows version.

This is quite a comprehensive step-by-step manual on how to accomplish the above.
Watch the video for more information.
2939) Message boards : News : Client version 7.10.2 released (Message 86277)
Posted 23 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm sure I did the version history yesterday, but perhaps I didn't save that. Fixed now!
The release notes are there as well, they're just not forwarded to the new correct ones, a little thing I asked David to do yesterday as well... and he didn't.
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes_for_BOINC_7.10
2940) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu -- After recent update, BOINC Manager is blank and tasks aren't running. (Message 86258)
Posted 22 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
To be honest, I don't know. But I saw you asked it in Issue #2339 as well, so that's probably where the answer comes in.
My expertise is with Windows, not Linux. I leave that to others - MarkJ, Juha - to answer.
2941) Message boards : GPUs : GTX 1070 "App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it" (Message 86248)
Posted 19 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you should also do is set Windows Update not to update your device drivers, as else, even when you install drivers from Nvidia.. if Windows deems these not new enough it'll immediately reinstall its own drivers, that lack the OpenCL component. OpenCL is a unified standard, but I wouldn't rely on the Intel OpenCL component to correctly drive the Nvidia GPU.
2942) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU unused, unstable CPU consumption (Message 86241)
Posted 18 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
My gpu goes unused unlike in folding@home
Make sure BOINC isn't installed as a service, as then the GPU isn't used.
Other cases where the GPU isn't used:
- Incorrect driver installed.
- Windows fast user switching.
- Using Windows Remote Desktop.

Always install the driver from the manufacturer, do not let Windows do it.
When using FUS or RDP, you're using a default driver from Windows for all things video, thus the GPU will not be detected.
If in doubt, post the first 30 or so lines from a BOINC start-up log.

and CPU is throttled to 70%, but it will spike to 100%
If set via the Use at most N % of CPU time preference, then know that this one isn't a sustained throttle. It'll pause your CPU 3 times per second and run it flat out for the other 7. If you want to use a sustained low power throttle, use a third party program such as Tthrottle.
2943) Message boards : Android : Android GPU detection (Message 86231)
Posted 15 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, BOINC does detect your GPU and it will ask for work for it from the project, but that doesn't mean that the project has a science application for the GPU to do that work. The work request will always fail, as there will be no work for the Mali GPU. Not until someone at that project - or any project for that matter - builds the application.

Also, please keep things in perspective: at the time I posted that (22 Dec 2014), the then present BOINC version did not detect the GPUs, that was only added at a later version.
2944) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop 2018 (Message 86214)
Posted 14 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery posted back to me, saying Yes there is a temporarily problem with the machine that hosts it.
2945) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86203)
Posted 13 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you cannot. The backup server is for the moment only to be able to get onto the forums and perhaps to get more work - which you have to report at the backup server as it has its own URL. You cannot report work done for CPDN on the https://www.cpdn.org/boinc/ URL on the 'new' URL.
2946) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86198)
Posted 13 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Crap SyFy, cancelling The Expanse. Not news I wanted for this Sunday morning!
2947) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why cklocking of the processor is so high? (Message 86195)
Posted 13 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You misunderstand what BOINC does: BOINC does not use your CPU (or GPU) by itself, instead it is a managing program that allows you to easily do scientific calculations for different projects. These projects supply applications that run on the CPU or GPU. When they run on the CPU, by default they'll run all out. So that means that when you have set in the BIOS that your CPU is allowed to use the Turbo setting, then when the science application runs on the CPU, it'll use that Turbo setting. The Turbo setting will 'overclock' your CPU from its normal clock cycle to a much higher one.

Overclocking the CPU, be it through the Turbo option or through manual overclocking, shouldn't wear out the CPU much faster. CPUs these days are pretty sturdy.
I ran my Intel i5-2500K for 4 years at 4GHz with no extra wear or tear. The only thing you need to do is give it adequate cooling, meaning you have to install an aftermarket cooling. be it better air fan or water cooling. And have monthly maintenance cleaning dust away.

In any case, if you do not want the CPU to clock so high, disable the Turbo setting in BIOS.
Or use a form of throttling. Fred's Tthrottle comes highly recommended.
2948) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why cklocking of the processor is so high? (Message 86193)
Posted 12 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If that is an Intel CPU, read
Intel Turbo Boost Technology 2.0, Higher Performance When You Need It Most
. AMD will probably have something similar. You ought to be able to disable that in the BIOS if you don't want to use it.
2949) Message boards : BOINC client : GPU stopped due to quad core task (Message 86167)
Posted 9 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having done a search on this (who does that? d'oh) it appears it is possible to use an app_config.xml file to specify that n-body tasks use less than the max amount of cores.

<app_config>
<app>
<name>milkyway_nbody</name>
<max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent>
</app>
<app_version>
<app_name>milkyway_nbody</app_name>
<plan_class>mt</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>3</avg_ncpus>
<cmdline>--nthreads 3</cmdline>
</app_version>
</app_config>


Make the above file in Notepad and save as app_config.xml into %Your data directory/projects/milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway directory.
Save as all files type, in ANSI format. When saved, open BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Options->Read config files.

avg_ncpus tells BOINC how many threads to reserve for the job scheduling.
cmdline tells BOINC how many threads the application may use at maximum.
2950) Message boards : BOINC client : GPU stopped due to quad core task (Message 86165)
Posted 9 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
nBody tasks are as far as I know multi-threaded, so they will take all of the CPU cores that the hardware has, no matter how many you specify BOINC can use (be it through preferences or app_config.xml file).
Einstein tasks run on the GPU require a full CPU core, because they do part of the calculations on the CPU. Trying to set Einstein to use less CPU through an app_config.xml file will also result in it pausing. Until a full core is freed up again.

If you do not want to run nBody tasks from Milkyway, specify that via their project preferences
(Edit them, uncheck MilkyWay@Home N-Body Simulation, save preferences)
2951) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project offline again (Message 86163)
Posted 9 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I noticed that a similar address shows at the top of the page when you load http://www.cpdn.org/cpdnboinc/
When loading it (http://ithaqua.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/cgi) in a browser, it returns
<scheduler_reply>
<scheduler_version>707</scheduler_version>
<master_url>http://ithaqua.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/</master_url>
<request_delay>3636.000000</request_delay>
<message priority="low">Error in request message: xp.get_tag() failed </message>
<project_name>cpdnboinc</project_name>
</scheduler_reply>

Removing the cgi stuff from the address goes to an Apache HTTP Server Test Page.
2952) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86139)
Posted 8 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Swoon, swaying palm trees for a public holiday. Oh, not what you meant.

Rain isn't expected here till Thursday. So bring it on. I'm heat collapsed on bed.
2953) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86128)
Posted 8 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me unzips the roof. The weather is great! Let's not sit cooped up in here, but instead be free, burn, get red. Parasols and other sun blockers are available in the far corner, to the left of the toilets. Drink of the day is Margaritas!
2954) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not detecting GPU on Linux (Message 86127)
Posted 8 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
and the open source AMD graphics drivers
Yes, and as far as I can find, they're just that, 2D and 3D graphics card drivers. They don't have the necessary component for GPGPUs: OpenCL. AMD's AMDGPU-PRO driver does have OpenCL built in. This is also the correct OpenCL, don't use Mesa or other stuff, as those don't work with the OpenCL used in the projects either.
2955) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC on Holochain (Message 86118)
Posted 7 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, our PMC is not interested in adding any form of cryptocurrency to BOINC. People are free to develop their own blockchain/cryptocurrency program/project and use BOINC with it, but we do not support it in any way.
2956) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 86111)
Posted 5 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, the way I know that happens is when you switch from a 32bit client to a 64bit client, or vice versa, while you never had the other installed before.
2957) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 86106)
Posted 5 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That means that your data directory changed. Check the data directory path in the installer. Third screen in, Advanced, second path. Is it going to the right place? If it isn't, adjust it.
2958) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86102)
Posted 5 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
WNGD originated in the USA. So do a WNGD Cinco de Mayo. But watch out with the hedge cutters then.

It's Liberation Day here. Also has copious amounts of alcohol. Not sure how it combines with naked gardening.
2959) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86097)
Posted 4 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go on, who's going to do this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day
That's Saturday the 5th of May.
2960) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 86094)
Posted 4 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.10.2 Notice

This version is being made available as a release candidate: no further changes will be made to this branch unless a significant bug is found.

If you find anything wrong or anything that worries you, please report it either to this mailing list (boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu), on the BOINC message boards, or via https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues

We have recently become aware of a problem causing the 64-bit Windows client to crash on some of the new low-power Intel CPUs. The problem appears to lie in our third-party SSL secure communications library, not in BOINC itself. It appears that the 32-bit client can be used on the affected machines as a workaround. We'll continue to explore the issue ready for the next development cycle.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.
2961) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.9/7.10 Change Log (Message 86093)
Posted 4 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.10.2 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.9.3->7.10.2

  • Mac: Fix wxWidgets 3.1.0 Mac-only bug when wxStaticBox has no label (computing prefs dlg)
  • Linux: Default working directory changed to /var/lib/boinc
  • client: Fix buffer size for call of function GetWindowText
  • Let AMs use authenticators instead of name/password
  • Linux: Use per-thread locale - fixes timestamp formating in Event Log.
  • Show build not OS platform in messages
  • Fix fields populating on 'Add Project' wizard on launch
  • Updates to all_projects_list.xml for 'Add Project' wizard
  • Mac: Update build documentation
  • Mac: Provide script for updating certificate bundle
  • Winbuild: Change to build files associated with client simulator changes
  • Winbuild: Fix copyright symbol in resource files
  • Remove 'theSkyNet POGS' from all_projects_list.xml - project has completed its survey and is closing down



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.10.2
- boinc_7.10.2_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.10.2_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.10.2_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.10.2
- boinc_7.10.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.10.2_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.2.8 included
- boinc_7.10.2_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.10.2_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Linux 7.10.2
- Your Linux repository. The maintainers for Debian, Fedora and RHEL are building the new test and release versions at the same time as the builders for Mac and Windows do. So always check your repository first.
- Else, for RHEL and FC use the builds from lfield and germano from https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=5978, this requires that you have RPM installed. See this page for that how-to.
- Gianfranco's PPA page has downloads for Debian/Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc

2962) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86090)
Posted 4 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy International Star Wars Day, everyone. The Force (or 4th) was not with the spammer I just kicked. :)
2963) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects continue to process even after exiting BOINC Manager (Message 86086)
Posted 3 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use File->Exit on BOINC Manager, or right-click the BOINC icon and use Exit, then use "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager" to stop processing.
If you do not have the exit dialog, you can enable it in BOINC Manager->Options->Other options->General->Enable Manager exit dialog?

Pressing the X in the top right corner will only minimize BOINC Manager to the system tray, it will not exit it.
2964) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager lost Project(s) and can not add new ones (Message 86082)
Posted 2 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
For testing I subscribed to the "Seti is down Cafe" thread, it spawned a separate subscription forum at the bottom of the forum index and now that someone posted to it, I got an email about that.

BOINC: A user has posted to 'The Seti is Down Cafe'

Another BOINC user has posted to the thread
"The Seti is Down Cafe".
To view the updated thread, visit:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8105
2965) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86058)
Posted 1 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a noutage. :)
2966) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu -- After recent update, BOINC Manager is blank and tasks aren't running. (Message 86051)
Posted 1 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If this is BOINC 7.10.1 then revert to a previous version. Due to a bug the client doesn't run, only the Manager.

Don't use BOINC 7.10.1
2967) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86049)
Posted 1 May 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Update before we're down again:
UPDATE: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:51pm – This evening at 7:06PM the data center firewalls reloaded on their own. The vendor is currently working to restore service.
2968) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 86042)
Posted 30 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Larry Harvey, 70, American founder of The Burning Man Festival
Michael Anderson, 98, British film director (The Dam Busters, Around the World in 80 Days, Logan's Run)
2969) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86041)
Posted 30 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jeff Cobb is on the case.
2970) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 86038)
Posted 30 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just had to wait several minutes for the forums to open. Last time that happened and I reported that to David, he said something about network congestion. Have just reported it again.
2971) Message boards : GPUs : AMD detection in docker (Message 86025)
Posted 28 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll need some things for GPU detection to work in a VM:
- enable VT-d (Intel) or AMD-Vi (or IOMMU) in the BIOS/UEFI. This is a different setting than VT-x, and requires at least an Ivy Bridge CPU (or equivalent AMD CPU). (Older Intel CPUs may support VT-d, but either the BIOS or the VM may not support it with that CPU).
- a VM that can do GPU-Throughput.
- an OS that supports it: Linux.

VT-d is not supported under Windows, or at least, the VMs that support it cannot get it to work under Windows, probably due to compartmentalization (separation of drivers and user).
If I understand this article and video correctly, it is however possible to add Windows to a Linux KVM and have it detect all hardware as is. It does require some other extra's though, like extra monitor, mouse and keyboard, and two GPUs. But since these are built into the CPUs these days that's the easy part.
2972) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86006)
Posted 25 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
1.7 billion stars now available in the new Gaia stellar map: Gaia’s all-sky view of our Milky Way Galaxy and neighbouring galaxies (links available on that page, this is not a link to the map)
2973) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86004)
Posted 25 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC forum software is included in the BOINC server software. It's a package. While some parts were deliberately turned off or hacked out for use on these forums, some other parts are still on. As long as they don't have any negative impact on the stability of the software, we don't mind (or care) them being on.
2974) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 86002)
Posted 24 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC forums are mostly for people having trouble with parts of BOINC, although we do have some regulars here. We do not have users though, and thus no user of the day. That's something for the projects.
2975) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85999)
Posted 24 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least in Firefox you can turn that off.

(1) In a new tab, type or paste about:config in the address bar and press Enter/Return. Click the button promising to be careful.
(2) In the search box above the list, type or paste autos and pause while the list is filtered
(3) Double-click the browser.tabs.remote.autostart.2 preference to switch the value from true to false

At your next Firefox startup, it should run in the traditional way.


By the way, am I the only one having trouble loading pages here? I even have a warning that a secure connection could not be made at times.

And now uploads to Seti are stuck as well, although the forums over there are back -- and hyper slow loading.
2976) Message boards : Questions and problems : http 401 unauthorized (Message 85979)
Posted 24 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
World Community Grid uses an HTTPS URL: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org, both for their project web site and for adding it through BOINC. So detach, Tools->Add Project->in project URL fill in https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org and continue your normal adding of the project.

We know that the URL in the add project wizard is wrong, it's already been fixed in the all_projects_list.xml file but apparently your BOINC hasn't gotten the new file yet that has the new URL.
2977) Message boards : Documentation : Cobblestone / BOINC credit / CPU time / GFLOPs equivalency documentation discrepancy (Message 85975)
Posted 23 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least with a Wiki, you can always check the dates on the page history.
Which in the case of the Credit Calculation page in the User Manual BOINC Wiki is https://boinc.berkeley.edu/w/?title=Computation_credit&diff=2818&oldid=1126, which shows that on the 15th of July 2010, Admin changed the notation from 1/100 to 1/200, with Admin being David Anderson (the main developer) in this case.
2978) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager Mac - when switch to 64-bit (Message 85973)
Posted 23 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Beta's in June can use the BOINC 7.9.3 test version, if 7.10 hasn't been released by then. By October/November we're already testing for BOINC 7.12
2979) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac warning that BOINC Manager is 32-bit and will not be allowed to run in the future (Message 85972)
Posted 23 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Beta's in June can use the BOINC 7.9.3 test version, if 7.10 hasn't been released by then. By October/November we're already testing for BOINC 7.12

By the way, do know that Charlie doesn't decide when BOINC 7.10 will be released to the public, that's up to the BOINC Release Manager, which is a position that can change for every release. At the time of writing the present RM is Richard Haselgrove.
7.10 is being tested at this time. If you don't mind running a test version of BOINC, you can get it from the aforementioned link.
2980) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it ok to clear app data for bionc? (Message 85971)
Posted 23 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think it's easier and better to detach from the project using the great allotment of data. By using the data cleaning options of third party apps, necessary data to finish a task correctly will be removed. That only results in the task erroring and you not getting credit.
2981) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 85954)
Posted 21 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Verne Troyer, 49, American actor (Austin Powers (Mini-Me), The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone)
2982) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 85948)
Posted 20 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tim Bergling, better known as DJ Avicii, 28, Swedish electronic dance musician ("Wake Me Up", "Hey Brother", "I Could Be the One") and DJ
2983) Message boards : Projects : The DistributedDataMining project is shutting down! (Message 85946)
Posted 20 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had the choice between (1) updating to the latest Drupal version including the time consuming re-integration of all the BOINC features
Apparently he doesn't know BOINC comes with Drupal integration (two separate links) these days, thanks to the painful work done by Einstein@Home. The people from this project also make sure support is there for the future.
2984) Message boards : Questions and problems : Raspberry Pi 3 RAC? (Message 85943)
Posted 19 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can run BOINC on the Raspberry Pi, and a lot of projects support it. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php and check for the ARM Linux logo. What the RAC is depends on the project and their application, you'd have to ask at the projects.

Do know that it is advised to add cooling to the Pi, as it comes without and running any project actively on the chip will heat it up quite extensively. And while people say you can easily run it at 80C, I wouldn't advice to do so.
2985) Message boards : Questions and problems : "No work available to Process" (Message 85932)
Posted 18 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind we're not the Seti forums, so we cannot check your systems (under your name).

So we do not know what kind of system you have, Windows, Linux, Android, Mac, other?

We also don't know what you set in the project preferences that you want to run, just Seti v8 tasks or Astropulse. Astropulse are not available every day, so if you set just to run AP, that would account for not getting any work.

We also don't know if you run stock - by the project - supplied applications, or that you set up an anonymous platform app_info.xml file with specific applications in them. Perhaps that these are no longer in use. Seti Multibeam tasks require v8 applications, Astropulse v7. Any older applications no longer get work.

We also don't know if you're using a GPU and whether it's got the correct drivers installed. Getting wrong drivers installed may also not get you any work.

The best thing to do would be to post the first 40 lines or so from your BOINC start-up messages. That gives us a lot of information.
Try to get a scheduler request in there with the messages, to show us what the rest of them say.
2986) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 85922)
Posted 18 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN project admin wrote:
Hi All,

The project is now back online. There was a major issue with the server on which the master database resides. We are now running the project from the slave server. Over the coming weeks there will have to be brief periods of scheduled downtime to switch back to using the master database machine.

Best regards,

Andy
2987) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project going offline this afternoon (Message 85921)
Posted 18 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

The project is now back online. There was a major issue with the server on which the master database resides. We are now running the project from the slave server. Over the coming weeks there will have to be brief periods of scheduled downtime to switch back to using the master database machine.

Best regards,

Andy
2988) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 85920)
Posted 18 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here then: the Russians are coming! (to your computer)
https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA18-106A

This joint Technical Alert (TA) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the United Kingdom’s National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC). This TA provides information on the worldwide cyber exploitation of network infrastructure devices (e.g., router, switch, firewall, Network-based Intrusion Detection System (NIDS) devices) by Russian state-sponsored cyber actors. Targets are primarily government and private-sector organizations, critical infrastructure providers, and the Internet service providers (ISPs) supporting these sectors.

I guess you best send your work in to Seti while you still can, before their internet is no more. :)
2989) Message boards : Promotion : Announcement and Invitation: first BOINC Projects Call, on Friday April 27, 2018 at 15:00 UTC (LA: 08:00, Chicago: 10:00, Boston: 11:00, London: 16:00, Berlin: 17:00) (Message 85898)
Posted 16 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bruce Allen wrote:
Dear BOINC Project Owners and Administrators, Dear BOINC Contributors and Developers,

This is an invitation to participate in the BOINC Projects Call, which will take place on Friday April 27, 2018 at 15:00 UTC (LA: 08:00, Chicago: 10:00, Boston: 11:00, London: 16:00, Berlin: 17:00).

The "Projects Call" is a quarterly open public TeamSpeak Conference Call, organized by the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) Program Management Committee (PMC). An Agenda will be posted in advance, and Minutes will be made available afterwards.

The Call is intended for (a) the owners, managers, developers, administrators and operators of BOINC-based volunteer distributed computing projects and (b) the developers and maintainers of BOINC software and infrastructure.

The intent is to give the owners (a) of BOINC projects the opportunity to inform each other and the BOINC developers (b) about the current state of their projects and their issues, needs, problems, plans, and desires. It is also intended to give the BOINC developers (b) an opportunity to showcase their status, plans, priorities and roadmap to the owners (a) of BOINC projects.

A draft Agenda for the first Call, and further information, can be found at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nEK3dxbja5HpIl1yID6d-b_MY7gLs3ikE54qLK4bOBI

Cheers,
Bruce
2990) Message boards : Documentation : Found It once (Message 85895)
Posted 16 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project that you run.
Your account.
View list of computers.
Details of individual computers.

So in Seti that would be:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php
Computers on this account: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php
Details.
2991) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc client crashing in libeay32.dll with SETI@home (Message 85891)
Posted 15 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Jord @Richard <code>no_info_fetch</code> isn't documented. It's in both cc_config.xml and command line. Could you take care of it?

Done. Both for command line and cc_config.xml

Edit: also reported it to Issues.
2992) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 85880)
Posted 14 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Miloš Forman, 86, Czech film director (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Amadeus, Hair, The People vs. Larry Flynt) and Oscar winner
Fred Vaassen, 76, Dutch tv-actor (Oppassen!!!)
2993) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc still runs when I close my MacBook Pro (Message 85872)
Posted 13 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Options->Computing preferences:

Suspend when computer is on battery

(This can also be set in the web preferences on any of the projects you run)

The above requires that BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Activity is set to "Run based on preferences".
When set to "Run always" web preferences and local preferences are ignored.
2994) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.6.33 and 7.8.2 windows 10 x86 64 PROBLEMS (Message 85864)
Posted 13 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please open Notepad and add into it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags> 
<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
<http_debug>1</http_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

Name this cc_config.xml, type All Files (*.*), format ANSI, and save it into your BOINC data directory C:\Programdata\BOINC\

Now start BOINC and have it contact a project (which should initiate the crash). .
After it has crashed, go to C:\Programdata\BOINC and open stdoutdae.txt.
Scroll to the bottom and copy the whole section from Starting BOINC client version 7.8.3 for windows_x86_64 for the date and time you did this, all the way to the end, then past that into an answer here.
2995) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac warning that BOINC Manager is 32-bit and will not be allowed to run in the future (Message 85856)
Posted 13 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to its developer.
2996) Message boards : Questions and problems : Schedule time of day (Message 85829)
Posted 11 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why does it not seem right? Because of that one minute difference between 23:59 and 0:00? Then set the second value to 0:00
net_start_time decides when the network is available. When no value is set, it's always available.

BOINC on your computer runs at the time-format for the time you live in.
BOINC on a project server runs in 24 hours format UTC.
2997) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85822)
Posted 10 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Half an hour of thunderstorms had, according to radar, several hours of them to come. I'm off to bed. Can't turn my PC on with this weather anyway.
2998) Message boards : BOINC client : Please make keeping GPUs fully occupied at all times a priority for the task scheduler (Message 85803)
Posted 9 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/ says Use the idle time on your computer (Windows, Mac, Linux, or Android) to cure diseases, study global warming, discover pulsars, and do many other types of scientific research. This is what the normal user will find his system doing, with the GPU even only being used when his system is idle.

...if there are 4 GPUs in the host...
That's quite an extreme setup that the normal user won't come across easily. So then when you do, you're an advanced user, and the advanced user will have to set up his system correctly to make it do what he wants from it. That means add correctly set up app_config.xml files per application, per project, possibly app_info.xml files as well, and make sure the resource share between projects is as it should be.

The work scheduler has to cater for a lot of systems out there, and it'll never be good enough for everyone. Making changes as you propose will throw the scheduler in disarray for a whole lot of people, who are now used to BOINC doing what it is doing now. Aside from that, BOINC hasn't got the man power to program something that big and intricate, not with just three volunteer coders available. The one coder who knows all of the inside of the scheduler is too busy with his own project at the moment.

So if you want this done, the best, easiest and cheapest way is to do it yourself, or if you cannot program, find a programmer willing to do so. Who will then have to add it through a pull request in BOINC Github Issues, after which it is up to the PMC to decide upon if they want this big a change to BOINC, and after that it can be added, tested, debugged, retested, debugged and figured if it's wanted or not. But then you're 6 to 12 months down the pipe, if not longer.
2999) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help LC0 Leela Chess AI (Message 85796)
Posted 8 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Questions answered. Next time do lead with being an open source community and not being in it for any financial gain. I still wonder what you want from us though, if you do not want to make your project a BOINC project. Unless you're just asking that people visit your site and come game (chess) with you?
3000) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85781)
Posted 7 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
News for the people wondering about VT-d, last night I installed VirtualBox 5.2.8 and found that the GPU (AMD RX 470) was not seen even with VT-d enabled in the BIOS. So I checked around on the internet and found that for this option to work, one requires anything other than Windows as its base operating system. None of the VM solutions can run in Windows and use VT-d (not to confuse with VT-x or VT-c). While it seems to be possible to use VT-d in Microsoft Hyper-V, that blog shows it ain't for the normal user. ;-)

So, want to use VT-d? Ask MarkJ how to get Linux. :)

Edit: as for speed. BOINC Benchmarks!

i5-2500K
20-Feb-2018 08:47:03 [---] Running CPU benchmarks
20-Feb-2018 08:47:03 [---] Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
20-Feb-2018 08:47:05 [---] [benchmark] Starting floating-point benchmark
20-Feb-2018 08:47:16 [---] [benchmark] Ended floating-point benchmark
20-Feb-2018 08:47:21 [---] [benchmark] Starting integer benchmark
20-Feb-2018 08:47:30 [---] [benchmark] Ended integer benchmark
20-Feb-2018 08:47:33 [---] [benchmark] Ended benchmark
20-Feb-2018 08:47:34 [---] [benchmark] CPU 0 has finished
20-Feb-2018 08:47:34 [---] [benchmark] 1 out of 1 CPUs done
20-Feb-2018 08:47:34 [---] [benchmark] CPU 0: fp 4280112713.085411 int 12194621292.368185 intloops 192192000.000000 inttime 8.970058
20-Feb-2018 08:47:34 [---] Benchmark results:
20-Feb-2018 08:47:34 [---]    Number of CPUs: 1
20-Feb-2018 08:47:34 [---]    4280 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
20-Feb-2018 08:47:34 [---]    12195 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
20-Feb-2018 08:47:35 [---] Resuming computation
20-Feb-2018 08:47:48 [---] Exiting

i5-3470
07-Apr-2018 11:22:46 [---] Running CPU benchmarks
07-Apr-2018 11:22:48 [---] [benchmark] Starting floating-point benchmark
07-Apr-2018 11:22:58 [---] [benchmark] Ended floating-point benchmark
07-Apr-2018 11:23:03 [---] [benchmark] Starting integer benchmark
07-Apr-2018 11:23:13 [---] [benchmark] Ended integer benchmark
07-Apr-2018 11:23:16 [---] [benchmark] Ended benchmark
07-Apr-2018 11:23:17 [---] [benchmark] CPU 0 has finished
07-Apr-2018 11:23:17 [---] [benchmark] 1 out of 1 CPUs done
07-Apr-2018 11:23:17 [---] [benchmark] CPU 0: fp 4383997833.199862 int 12699104787.034266 intloops 224160000.000000 inttime 10.046464
07-Apr-2018 11:23:17 [---] Benchmark results:
07-Apr-2018 11:23:17 [---]    Number of CPUs: 1
07-Apr-2018 11:23:17 [---]    4384 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
07-Apr-2018 11:23:17 [---]    12699 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
07-Apr-2018 11:23:19 [---] Resuming computation
3001) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85779)
Posted 7 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another speed up is in the start-up. Before I would hibernate the computer, as that was the fastest way to boot up (under a minute from BIOS to fully populated Windows).
Now I power down completely (also to continue testing that non-starting thing. :)) and when I start up, it's under 30 seconds from BIOS to fully populated Windows. It might be that has something to do with those other options I turned on in the BIOS, Intel Rapid Start and Intel Smart Connect. Although these both apparently work with Deep Sleep.... that I disabled else my system doesn't start up at all. Also, it is supposed to work together with an SSD, which I don't have. I do have a hybrid HDD (or SHDD), an HDD with 8GB NAND flash cache.

The future is exciting!
3002) Message boards : Android : BOINC on OnePlus 5 Android 8 stops running by itself after 10 minutes BOINC Version 7.4.53 (Message 85778)
Posted 7 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Android 8 does things completely different from previous Android versions, separating drivers from everything else. That may be the problem here.
The Android BOINC version is hardly being developed though, although it is picking up a little lately. I would ask of you to post this in our Issues list (make a new issue, does need Github registration). That way the developers have direct overview.
3003) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85772)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, I will now need to rename my host. Seeing how it's still called i5-2500K.

07/04/2018 01:08:37 |  | Host name: i5-2500K
07/04/2018 01:08:37 |  | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz [Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9]
07/04/2018 01:08:37 |  | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase smep
07/04/2018 01:08:37 |  | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
07/04/2018 01:08:37 |  | Memory: 15.96 GB physical, 47.89 GB virtual
07/04/2018 01:08:37 |  | Disk: 878.39 GB total, 214.60 GB free

I have noticed it's a lot faster than before. Programs load and exit quicker, even the internet feels speedier. So, honestly, a cheap but well-deserved and as FiL noticed hard-fought victory. Price of the CPU? Just €50,-

Edit, there:
07/04/2018 01:20:29 |  | Host name: i5-3470
07/04/2018 01:20:29 |  | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz [Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9]
07/04/2018 01:20:29 |  | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase smep

Edit2, check what the differences are with an i5-2500K:
26-Jan-2018 08:52:58 [---] Host name: i5-2500K
26-Jan-2018 08:52:58 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]
26-Jan-2018 08:52:58 [---] Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes syscall lm avx vmx tm2 pbe
3004) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85765)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is that your way of telling me my system could've gone up in a poof of magic smoke? ;-)
But it seems to be fixed. Just powered down and restarted 10 minutes later, it immediately went through BIOS and start up.

The last thing I changed in the BIOS was the Advanced > South Bridge Configuration > Deep Sleep setting, put it on Disabled. And while immediately after that it still had some trouble booting, now I had none. Thanks for everything y'all crossed, it seems to have helped. :-)

edit: I'll go test some Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. The last time I played it, it had some trouble with my i5-2500K as that was just above minimum entry level. The 3470 would be doing nicely in the middle segment. Let's whack everything on Ultra. :)
3005) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85759)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL... well, still alive. three reboots further, one to clear the 800x600 screen, one to install some mystical drivers (it wouldn't tell me what for) and one to clear some svchost process using 15GB of RAM. Running IntelBurnTest now, so far temps haven't gone above 58C, so I applied the thermal compound correctly.

Haven't powered down yet... That's next on my list. But I don't feel like I fixed the problem I had. I did replace the CMOS battery.
Asrock said to test the memory sticks one by one and in other slots. I can always do that, tomorrow. I've done enough heavy lifting with this case today.

Already had a shock, as when I tried to reassemble the water cooler, the back plate with the fastening pins on, had fallen down, following gravity. I was in the process of taking the whole motherboard out, when I thought of unhatching the other side of the case. Hey presto, I could reach the back plate from here. Put a (cardboard) medicine box under it to lift it up and quickly screwed the water cooler back on. Pffff.

Will go do some gaming first now. Powering down is always an option, but I'm done yelling at hardware. Tomorrow's another day. :)
3006) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85757)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The i5-3470s have arrived. So powering down for a rigorous rebuild. If I am not heard from again.... ;-)
3007) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 85755)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN is down with database maintenance.
Andy Bowery wrote:
There is an issue with the main database. This unfortunately will take a few days to sort out due to the size of the database. The project has been taken down whilst this work is ongoing, and the project won't be restored until some time next week.
3008) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85754)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would mean I have to take out my videocard. So probably better wait with that until later when I am disassembling the CPU cooler anyway.

The other fun thing about the BIOS being in default state was that SATA was set to start in IDE mode, on both systems. It used to be AHCI.
Switching to AHCI gives an unbootable Windows. Don't try to do the data restore either as it won't work. After 45 minutes it balked on this system telling it couldn't fix Windows. I set BIOS back to IDE, booted into Windows, looked up the problem, set two settings in the registry, saved, rebooted, set BIOS to AHCI, saved, rebooted and am in Windows in AHCI mode.

The other system now recognizes its 8GB of RAM. It's running in single-channel mode, but that's better than having just 4GB in dual-channel mode.
There too I sat through the data restore, cannot do, reset IDE, reboot Windows, set the registry up, reboot, set AHCI, reboot and yay.

So that leaves this ailing system. For now I'll leave it on, costs less energy than having to bent under the desk, power down PSU, remove cord, press CMOS button, add cord, power up PSU, start system, sit through the BIOS to set everything up (including AHCI!!!), boot into Windows. .
3009) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85751)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bigger trouble. Every time I power down my system, when I power it back on it won't boot.
Always going into a short boot cycle where it tries to boot, and after 5 seconds powers down again.
I have to clear CMOS before it powers back up. Luckily I found a button on the back of my motherboard for that (I knew it was easier than doing that via jumper), but it's not fun having to dive under my desk every time I boot up. And after that I have to set up the BIOS again.
Flashed the BIOS again, in case something went wrong. Didn't help.
So I mailed Asrock, perhaps that they know.

I can't flash back to the previous version of the BIOS either, because it's not on the site, and there was no option to backup the BIOS prior to flashing. I also don't seem to have a dual-BIOS setup.

Perhaps the new BIOS requires the Ivy Bridge CPU to work correctly. I won't know that until later today when it comes in. So back to the other ailing system for now.
3010) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85750)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a theme for the day. Last night before going to bed, I flashed my BIOS in anticipation of the Ivy Bridge CPU coming today. Reset to defaults. Set everything back up. Powered into Windows, powered down.

This morning it wouldn't boot. Had to reset the CMOS, which isn't easy because of the jumper being ultra tiny and just next to a big transistor on the motherboard. Cost me nothing to switch the jumper from pins 1+2 to 2+3. Cost me an arm and a leg to get it back to 1+2. At least the system boots again.
I hope I don't have to do that every time I boot this system. ;-)

Anyway, will see about the other system later on, am first going to the post office to write over the car in my name. Suzi, you're mine!
3011) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85746)
Posted 6 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Scratch scratch...

Switched out the CPU on the TV server today. All seemed to go well...

Opened the case.
Took the connector off the fan attached to the side.
Removed the water cooling from my CPU.
Removed the i3-530 CPU.
Put the i5-750 CPU in.
Cleaned the old cooling paste off the water cooling block.
Cleaned extra with alcohol.
Put a strip of brand spanking new Arctic Silver on the CPU.
Reassembled the water cooler.
Reassembled the case, connected the fan.

Stuck all the leads back in... powered up.
Okay, when you go switch out a CPU, make sure that Windows is powered down next time, not that it's hibernating...
Windows start up was complaining that major hardware had changed and gave me the choice of continuing or rebooting fresh.
I chose to reboot fresh.
Landed in Windows on 800x600 with all kinds of complaints that drivers weren't found. Fine.
By the way, 800x600 on a UHD TV isn't fun, especially not when you're just used to the 2560x1440 pixels.
Two reboots later...
Ah now I can switch to 4096x2160... cool... But then I can't read anything on the screen. Not even with the icons set to 200%.
(But we tested the space scene from Passengers in 4K and it was amazing!)

Tested the temperatures with Intel Burn Test.
Hmmm... 78C on the hottest core. Not good. Idle temperature 48C. Yes, definitely something wrong there.
But dinner first.

After dinner, I flashed the BIOS to make sure everything on that system knew about the new CPU.
Reset the BIOS to default.
Re-set all things I set before.
Opened the system again and took apart the water cooler, cleaned everything off, reassembled it.
Also reconnected a loose connector so all LEDs are on again.
Restarted the system.
Redone Intel Burn Test.
Ta ta: 64C maximum on the hottest core. That system won't reach those temps under gaming.

But the gaming on the system was still slow, stuttering.
So I checked everything again, and then found it in the BIOS.

Only one stick of memory is being found...
Only the bottom one. And this system is weird enough already because to have dual channel memory, I am required to put memory in slots 1 and 4.
When I put it in slots 1 and 3, it won't boot.
When I put it in slots 2 and 4, it won't boot.
When I put it in slots 1 and 2, it won't boot.
When I put it in slots 3 and 4, it won't boot.
It will only boot with memory in slots 1 and 4. My main system has that same idiosyncrasy.
Must be an Asrock thing.

But okay, so it only finds the 4GB stick in slot 4, not in slot 1.
The only thing in the neighborhood that I did was take apart and reassemble the water cooler, so I think it's making contact with that stick.
But will wait to check that tomorrow (well, this) morning, by daylight. Don't want to move the cooler too much either, because of those fine temperatures. :)
TBC.
3012) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 85745)
Posted 5 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric Bristow, 60, British dart player.
3013) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 85693)
Posted 3 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
YouTube incident: 'Active shooter' near HQ in northern California

Police in Northern California say they are responding to an incident involving an "active shooter" at YouTube headquarters.
Gunshots were reported at the company's campus in San Bruno, south of San Francisco. Ambulances are at the scene and authorities have warned the public to stay out of the area.
3014) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 85690)
Posted 3 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
SETI@home is temporarily shut down for maintenance. We're doing a more extensive reorganization than usual to try to resolve some of the database performance problems we've been experiencing. The outage may extend for more than 24 hours.
For you who want to join the conversation, meet at the Seti is down thread.
3015) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 85667)
Posted 3 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That was deleted's request... So done and dusted. Some people will be glad, others... if they didn't have email notification on on PMs... sad.
No, they can't be gotten back.
3016) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 85658)
Posted 3 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Creepy stuff happening on TV in the USA:
Earlier this month, CNN’s Brian Stelter broke the news that Sinclair Broadcast Group, owner or operator of nearly 200 television stations in the U.S., would be forcing its news anchors to record a promo about “the troubling trend of irresponsible, one sided news stories plaguing our country.”
3017) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mining Maybe Corrupting BOINC (Message 85657)
Posted 3 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone with the knowledge on how to return seemingly correct data with a short turn-around time would be able to do this. In the past they did it for the credits, now they do it for the Gridcoins, next they'll do it for something else. If there's to be a next, because perhaps the Collatz Conjecture admin is onto something: we'll need end-to-end encryption to make this work uninterrupted. But then someone will find a way to break the encryption, etc.

What's against him in this case is that he cannot use a quorum, while on the other side it'll be gruesome for him to figure out where and when this started and have to reissue all that work, to be sure its outcome is correct.

Does that corrupt BOINC in any way?
Does mining do?
No, not in my opinion. Cheating does. But then cheating always does.
3018) Message boards : GPUs : Throttle GPU usage? (Message 85650)
Posted 2 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, that would be great, were it not that that's something the OpenCL developers have to come up with in partnership with the GPU manufacturers, not BOINC. It's at this time not yet possible to only use part of a GPU's compute units, it's either all in or none.

However, there is third party software available to turn the fans down. I use Speedfan under Windows, set to a desired temperature of 72C, so only at that temperature will it start to increase the fans. It runs generally at 74C with just 50% fan speed.
I've set my case- and CPU fans up with Speedfan as well. So even when things are heating up, it's whisper quiet.
3019) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 85610)
Posted 2 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Steven Bocho, 74, American writer and producer (Hill Street Blues, L.A. Law, Doogie Howser, M.D., and NYPD Blue)
3020) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85609)
Posted 2 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The difference between loading https and http is negligent here. They both load, after one or more minutes.
But... didn't we do this a couple of years ago as well? I seem to remember quite vividly that the Seti forums would only quite slowly load or not load, everyone was here - or those that didn't dare were at Einstein - and that it was some holiday weekend as well. Too bad searching at Seti goes as slow as well, I don't have time to grey my beard any faster. Besides, have to go pick up my new 'old' CPU in a bit. :)
3021) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85606)
Posted 2 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess we have something to talk about on Tuesday, seeing how CPDN is having similar problems.
3022) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85588)
Posted 1 Apr 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just spent some pop on a couple of new 'old' processors. €50,- per CPU.
2x i5-3470, 1x i5-650

These to replace our aging i3-530, and our flag ships i5-2500K and i7-2600K. All second hand, of course. Too bad the i7-860 is €150,-, and the i7-3770 €250,-
Now I'm still looking for a new videocard for the TV-server (at present the i3-530 with AMD HD 7870). Got my eye on an AMD RX550 but its price is a bit weird, so have to approach its seller about that.

Now, I know the 3470 won't outperform the 2500K and 2600K, according to some VS sites it may even under perform. But it has two tricks up its sleeve that our present processors don't have:
1. PCIe 3.0
2. VT-d

The first translates in faster throughput for video signals.
The second translates into being able to use your own GPU in virtual machines, instead of having to use the virtual GPU. And yes, our motherboards can use the newer CPUs and can do the newer tricks, when the newer CPUs have been added. I best stock up on some thermal grease.

Edit: oh, the why I did it?
Our TV-server is really out of its league. While its i3-530 can run lots of things without problems, it cannot calculate H.265 UHD videos without getting extremely choppy. So, the i5-650 should do that better; also 4 cores instead of just 2. Plus it'll give Holly some faster gaming when she plays The Elder Scrolls Online on the big screen. And yes, I know, the videocard matters as well. The HD 7870 is already very capable of doing 4K videos, if the CPU can help, but I'd rather that there be something newer in there as well, with a bit more memory on board. Hence the RX550 I'm looking for. It won't crunch for BOINC.

Edit2: Of course I just found an i5-750 elsewhere. Have reserved that one and will go pick it up tomorrow. I'll cancel the other one. Let's see if I can get my money back... :)
3023) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85570)
Posted 31 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not getting any work though. SetiHome: Project has no tasks available.

My Android devices are getting colder. :(
3024) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2 GPUs working with 2 tasks before Win10 update, now both tasks run on 1 GPU (Message 85563)
Posted 30 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:

3/30/2018 9:40:41 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 980 Ti (driver version 388.13, CUDA version 9.1, compute capability 5.2, 4096MB, 3961MB available, 6702 GFLOPS peak)
3/30/2018 9:40:41 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 980 Ti (driver version 388.13, CUDA version 9.1, compute capability 5.2, 4096MB, 3961MB available, 6702 GFLOPS peak)
3/30/2018 9:40:41 PM | | App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it
The log is telling you what's wrong: Your Windows Update installed drivers that lack OpenCL. Never use the Windows installed drivers, always install the drivers from Nvidia. When Windows updates itself, it will overwrite your Nvidia installed drivers, so afterwards you'll have to reinstall drivers from Nvidia. Drivers installed by Windows lack certain components, such as OpenCL, that science applications running under BOINC require.
3025) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC running as a service (Message 85558)
Posted 30 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll need to uninstall & reinstall.
3026) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request - Suspend X CPUs when computer is in use (Message 85556)
Posted 30 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's about one of our oldest feature requests: #41. It's probably easiest if you know someone who can code it, to ask them to do it, than to wait for one of our three volunteer coders to do it. The really easiest method is to just tell BOINC to run with so many CPU cores less, and the rest at full blast.
3027) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 85550)
Posted 30 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thread lightly, while you're enjoying your coffee: Starbucks coffee in California must have cancer warning, judge says
Starbucks Corp and other coffee sellers must put a cancer warning on coffee sold in California, a Los Angeles judge has ruled, possibly exposing the companies to millions of dollars in fines.

A little-known not-for-profit group sued some 90 coffee retailers, including Starbucks, on grounds they were violating a California law requiring companies to warn consumers of chemicals in their products that could cause cancer.

One of those chemicals is acrylamide, a byproduct of roasting coffee beans that is present in high levels in brewed coffee.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Elihu Berle said in a decision dated Wednesday that Starbucks and other companies had failed to show there was no significant risk from a carcinogen produced in the coffee roasting process, court documents showed.
3028) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC running as a service (Message 85548)
Posted 30 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It still says this in the installer:
"Run applications under a privileged account. This provides increased protection from faulty applications, and on Windows, it will prevent the use of applications that use the graphics chip (GPU)."
3029) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing Preferences unable to set daily schedule as needed for TOD power (Message 85541)
Posted 29 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
client_stat.xml: (found client_state.xml; no client_stat.xml present)
<user_run_request>1</user_run_request>
<user_gpu_request>1</user_gpu_request>

Typo from me, I meant client_state.xml as you found. These values state that you have set Activity for GPU and CPU to Run Always.
Like I said before, for these preferences to work you will need to set Activity to "Run based on preferences". As long as you do not do that, tasks will run always, just as you want them to.

3030) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85532)
Posted 29 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Always the optimist aren't you?
Now that I lack these, hell yes! :) Thanks for the chuckle.
3031) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing Preferences unable to set daily schedule as needed for TOD power (Message 85526)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post the contents of the global_prefs_override.xml file from the data directory (default at the hidden directory C:\Programdata\BOINC\, so put the path in your Windows Explorer and hit Enter). You can open this XML file with Notepad.

Can you also please open client_stat.xml, scroll all the way to the bottom and copy the lines of <code>user_run_request</code> and <code>user_gpu_request</code> for me, post those here? After that you can close client_state.xml, if it asks if you want to save changes, click Cancel.
3032) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85521)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You sure? Looking at the new Server Problems thread, things aren't really all OK over there. I expect a riot. :-)
3033) Message boards : Projects : Democracy@home -- the project we have all been waiting for! (Message 85519)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've added this ditty to the top of that page:

This page is no longer kept up to date. For up to date listings of the projects, check https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php, look in the Project Wizard in your BOINC Manager, or check the lists on your account manager.
3034) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85514)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
So that just leaves the little bit of "happy" lurking in the far corner.
Not a little bit, but lots. Shook that depression off of me.

I'll buy you a drink and see that improves the situation (unless having a drink moves towards being "tired and emotional")
It's a deal. Although I still don't do alcohol, 10.5 years sober. But any non-alcoholic drink is fine. :)
3035) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85507)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The depressed, disagreeable, gloomy, hateful, heavy-hearted, mean, surly, unfriendly, unhappy, unpleasant, unsociable, sad part. :)
3036) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 85503)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Newcomers really need to learn to read my signature.
Please do not private message me for tech support. Use the forums for that. Tech PMs will be ignored.
It's not that difficult.

(Deletes Tech support PM)
3037) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85501)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Next: a Whatsapp group of concerned Setizens wondering if Eric has Whatsapp and if so what his number could be. ;-)
3038) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85493)
Posted 28 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Preposterous! Mojitos at 8:25 am. Is nothing sacred for them Yanks?
:-/
3039) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85433)
Posted 27 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ppppfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

(blows dust away from the bar, awaiting the coming of the jungle jangles)
3040) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing Preferences unable to set daily schedule as needed for TOD power (Message 85430)
Posted 26 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that your Activity is set to "based on preferences", as the "run always" will ignore prefs like this.
Local preferences override web preferences, not the other way around.


The above image shows my settings. This will run BOINC for me between 21:05 and 06:00 on Mon-Fri if my computer is on. Saturday and Sunday it can run 24 hours, again if my computer is on.
3041) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd synchronize? (Message 85428)
Posted 26 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The --acct_mgr_sync command is only available from 7.9.2 onwards. These are beta versions which have other bugs. I don't think these versions are available yet for the Raspberry Pi. But since Raspbian is based on Debian, you could get it (or 7.9.3) from Gianfranco's PPA: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc
3042) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd synchronize? (Message 85426)
Posted 26 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per this post, any problems you have with Gridcoin are best taken up with its developers, we don't have the expertise and do not officially support it.
3043) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 85416)
Posted 25 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lys Assia (real name Rosa Mina Schärer), 94, Swiss singer, first winner of the Eurovision Song Contest (1956)
3044) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 85405)
Posted 24 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Philip Kerr, 62, Scottish author (March Violets, Children of the Lamp, A Philosophical Investigation)
3045) Message boards : News : DENIS@home returns (Message 85389)
Posted 23 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's just https://denis.usj.es
3046) Message boards : Questions and problems : Controlling or Viewing Multiple Hosts (Message 85383)
Posted 22 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The biggest problem with monitoring Android devices is that everything is stored in hidden directories you can't get to, unless you root those devices (root/data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc/*). Because you'll have to add a remote hosts configuration file or start the client with a switch. All things not easily done on bog standard Android.

Having looked into this, though, there may be one program on Android that can do this, but I haven't tried it, don't know it.: AndroBOINC. You may want to look up how to set it up on its Github pages.
3047) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project going offline this afternoon (Message 85381)
Posted 22 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

This work is now completed and the project is up and running again.

Best regards,

Andy
3048) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC won't run even if computer is not in use (Message 85380)
Posted 22 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know what you mean by "Make sure that your attached devices are clean".
No dust, hairs or any other interfering particles attached to the underside or in the hole the infrared/laser shines out of.

Also, is the boinctray.exe the BOINC System Tray?
No, it's a non visible program that runs in the background, solely checking for keyboard hits and mouse movements. It has no GUI, when you manually start it, it won't show that it started other than through Windows Task Manager. The BOINC icon in the system tray is from BOINC Manager.
3049) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC won't run even if computer is not in use (Message 85378)
Posted 22 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just tested:
22/03/2018 16:56:23 |  | don't compute while active
22/03/2018 16:56:23 |  | don't use GPU while active
22/03/2018 16:56:23 |  | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
22/03/2018 16:56:23 |  | Suspending network activity - computer is in use
22/03/2018 16:57:30 |  | Resuming computation
22/03/2018 16:57:30 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=EXECUTING for blc01_2bit_guppi_58185_63680_And_XI_off_0017.15656.0.21.44.202.vlar_0 from start
22/03/2018 16:57:30 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Restarting task blc01_2bit_guppi_58185_63680_And_XI_off_0017.15656.0.21.44.202.vlar_0 using setiathome_v8 version 820 (opencl_ati5_sah) in slot 0
22/03/2018 16:57:30 |  | Resuming network activity
22/03/2018 16:57:30 | SETI@home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for blc01_2bit_guppi_58185_63680_And_XI_off_0017.15656.0.21.44.202.vlar_0
22/03/2018 16:57:30 | SETI@home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for blc01_2bit_guppi_58185_63680_And_XI_off_0017.15656.0.21.44.202.vlar_0
22/03/2018 16:57:44 |  | Suspending computation - computer is in use
22/03/2018 16:57:44 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting blc01_2bit_guppi_58185_63680_And_XI_off_0017.15656.0.21.44.202.vlar_0 (removed from memory)
22/03/2018 16:57:44 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=QUIT_PENDING for blc01_2bit_guppi_58185_63680_And_XI_off_0017.15656.0.21.44.202.vlar_0 from request_exit()
22/03/2018 16:57:44 |  | request_exit(): PID 13592 has 0 descendants

Make sure that your attached devices are clean, or for testing unplug any USB devices. We have had several reports that some USB devices can cause microscopic moves that prevent BOINC from waking up.
Also make sure that boinctray.exe is running. This is the BOINC idle detection program.

As you can see above, it isn't exactly after a minute, but within a minute after the time you set.
3050) Message boards : Projects : CPDN project going offline this afternoon (Message 85376)
Posted 22 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

I am going to be taking the CPDN project offline this afternoon (UK afternoon), this is in order to conduct some backend maintenance.

Best regards,

Andy
3051) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing Preferences unable to set daily schedule as needed for TOD power (Message 85365)
Posted 21 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The times are for a 24 hour clock, so you can set the first value to 20:05 and the second to 13:55, allowing for 5 minutes to shut everything down/clock incorrectness.
My times run from 21:05 to 06:00 and have done so for quite some time already.
3052) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85351)
Posted 20 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just have read-through and register what it's trying to tell you: The Oldest Words In The English Language, then when you have some moments left, continue with Words That Can Ruin Your Sentence.

But you truly want to know about A lot vs. Alot: 9 Grammatical Pitfalls, of course. :)
3053) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 85347)
Posted 20 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's next? The smell of freshly fallen rain being a call for help from the ground that it's drowning?
3054) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85344)
Posted 20 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
He is, somewhat: http://icon.ssl.berkeley.edu/.
3055) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85328)
Posted 20 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What, pray the deities, is an ICON meeting?
3056) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager lost Project(s) and can not add new ones (Message 85313)
Posted 19 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I clicked File > Quit and clicked "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager". CPU usage dropped to almost 0 and then I restarted the application.
Which application did you restart? Just BOINC Manager?
Under Linux, you have to start the client first, then the manager. Here the manager does not start the client, as it does under Windows or OS X.
So now you're just running the manager and it's telling you it cannot connect to a client, because the client isn't running. That's also why all windows are blank.

7.9.3 is a pre-release version of BOINC. All the Major.UNEVEN.revision versions are beta pre-release versions. When the middle value is even, it can be a recommended version.
3057) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Manager Suggestions (Message 85288)
Posted 17 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, and the 'retry now' button is disabled until at least one file has been selected.
Ah OK, you're right.

But I also don't think that the client can be made to switch between upload servers if the storage server is at fault. This sounds more like a server solution where the storage should warn when it's got just 15-20% storage left, that a human comes look. Saw Andy's answer on the CPDN list, where he said he wasn't aware of any space issues? That means their storage doesn't warn when it's reaching capacity.
3058) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 85270)
Posted 16 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've moved over everything about the Seti skeletons in the closet to a thread of its own. I'd appreciate it that if there's anything else you want said about it that you do it in that thread (Old Relics). In the end we'll probably lock & hide it.

Some of the posts may have had part discussions about what's going on in this thread, I can't help it, I moved everything that sounded suspiciously like a creaking skeleton over to the other thread.

Please try to keep the discussions here civilized. Any personal attacks - no matter how veiled - will in the future be met with a 24 hour temp ban and removal of your post.
You've managed to all do so during the time Chris was on his self-declared sabbatical, so you ought to be able to do it now. Just because he attacks, doesn't mean you get to do it back. The warning however is for everyone, including Chris.
If as a result of anything in this post you want to leave these forums, please be my guest and just go.
3059) Message boards : The Lounge : Old relics (Message 85269)
Posted 16 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
All skeletons in one closet. Any posts I missed? Please flag so a moderator can move it over.
3060) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.9/7.10 Change Log (Message 85240)
Posted 15 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.9.3 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.9.2->7.9.3

  • Mac: Patch ares_config.h andcurl_config.h to not use clock_gettime(), which is defined in OS 10.11 SDK but was not available before OS 10.11. This caused the client built on OS 10.11 or OS 10.12 to crash on launch when run on older versions of OS X.
  • MGR: Fix copyright year in About window
  • client: not an error if a file starts with account_ but is not accounting file
  • Web: Update links in license files to point correct link to sources
  • Web: Fix copyright year
  • WinBuild: Fix VS compile warnings. No functional change
  • Winbuild: fix installer problem for VirtualBox
  • Winbuild: update included VirtualBox to 5.2.8



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.9.3
- boinc_7.9.3_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.9.3_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.9.3_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.9.3
- boinc_7.9.3_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.9.3_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.2.8 included
- boinc_7.9.3_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.9.3_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Linux 7.9.3
- Your Linux repository. The maintainers for Debian, Fedora and RHEL are building the new test and release versions at the same time as the builders for Mac and Windows do. So always check your repository first.
- Else, for RHEL and FC use the builds from lfield and germano from https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=5978, this requires that you have RPM installed. See this page for that how-to.
- Gianfranco's PPA page has downloads for Debian/Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc

3061) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Manager Suggestions (Message 85237)
Posted 15 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm about sure that you can select tasks in the Transfers tab and press for them the Retry Now button. Only the selected tasks will then try the upload.
At least, that's how I got rid of the ones stuck in Seti's upload problem last week.

Not selecting any tasks in the list will retry them all.
3062) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 85225)
Posted 15 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please keep racial slurs out of the discussion. If you feel you need to say something about it do so on a personal title, by stating for instance "I feel that... etc."
But else "No abusive messages involving race, religion, nationality, gender, class or sexuality."
3063) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85209)
Posted 14 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, trying to register for a game's beta test, but cannot finish the registration because their server toppled over. I guess they've got their answer. :)

Edit: @Rob, finding the bucket in the dark wouldn't be much of a joy either. I managed and didn't hit my toes on anything.
3064) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 85196)
Posted 14 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm back!
Wasn't here last night, due to sleeping in the hospital, in the sleep clinic.

For half a day I was Android Man or Space man. The grey stuff is clay, with which they stuck the electrodes to me. Was a biatch to get off, but luckily I managed it without ripping out too much hair. I suspect the only place I ripped hair was from my beard, but that's at the back, you won't see that. All those wires go into WiFi equipment which made the whole thing wearable (and bearable).

Slept for about 6 hours, was awake a couple of times during the night, mostly because the bag, which holds the WiFi equipment, got stuck on me or the bed. Also had to pee. And then find my way again in a very dark room. At one time I was awoken because the batteries on the WiFi transmitter had died and needed to be replaced. My luck.

Fingers crossed for the outcome, some time in April.
3065) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC "forgets" its stats (Message 85193)
Posted 14 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Backup, backup, backup. That's the only way to do this, daily backups.
3066) Message boards : The Lounge : Future Boinc thoughts (Message 85114)
Posted 11 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't forget the "expert" has decreed that IOT is going to be big.

A typical over emotional response only to be expected.

3067) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA Toolkit (Message 85094)
Posted 10 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
...but SETI was only serving me OpenGL work
Correction, that's OpenCL.

OpenGL, or Open Graphics Library, is a cross-language, cross-platform application programming interface (API) for rendering 2D and 3D vector graphics. It's a DirectX competitor.
OpenCL, or Open Computing Language, is a framework for writing programs that execute across heterogeneous platforms consisting of central processing units (CPUs), graphics processing units (GPUs), digital signal processors (DSPs), field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) and other processors or hardware accelerators. It's a DirectCompute competitor.

While both run on the same hardware, they don't do the same things.
3068) Message boards : Questions and problems : A reboot is required to enable BOINC to run properly (Windows 10) (Message 85091)
Posted 9 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's a text file in your BOINC Programs directory C:\Program Files\BOINC\ (RebootPending.txt) that does this. Remove it and you'll be fine.
3069) Message boards : Questions and problems : 100% GPU load after BOINC is closed. (Message 85088)
Posted 9 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enigma has a GPU app now. It's been around a few months.
Ah, thanks for that bit of information. I'll pass the info on to David.
But do know that it's normally up to the project admin to tell that they've changed their hardware requirements.

The https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php page is not kept up to date with new projects and the OS/devices a project supports.
No, it's kept up to date, but not all projects are eligible to reach the list. Only production projects, and then only those that actually do good science (and aren't just there to give credit for absolutely nothing), or are (covert) commercial doohickeys. And as said, when the project admin don't say anything about a change in status of their project, there's no way that the list can be updated.
3070) Message boards : Questions and problems : 100% GPU load after BOINC is closed. (Message 85083)
Posted 9 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enigma@Home runs only on the CPU, not on the GPU. So suspending Enigma@Home does nothing for the GPU clock. Any task still running on the GPU will continue to run on the GPU. Gridcoin perhaps?

Check the Tasks tab, Status column. It'll show there which resource is used. If GPU it will say something like Running (0.04 CPUs + 1 AMD/ATI GPU). If just CPU, it'll state Running.

Edit, you can check at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php which projects use the AMD GPU.
3071) Message boards : Questions and problems : 100% GPU load after BOINC is closed. (Message 85081)
Posted 9 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've tested this with BOINC 7.9.2, GPU-Z 2.8.0, my Sapphire RX 470 - 8GB, running the Adrenalin 17.12.2 driver.
Running Seti@Home, solely on GPU, one task at a time.
Using the GPU-Z option to log to file.

GPU clock when idle, 300MHz.
GPU clock when under load, 1260MHz.

Ran the Seti task for 3 minutes.
GPU load between 99 - 100%
Exited BOINC.
Memory clock immediately drops to 300MHz.

Date                , GPU Core Clock [MHz] , GPU Memory Clock [MHz] , GPU Temperature [°C] , Fan Speed (%) [%] , Fan Speed (RPM) [RPM] , GPU Load [%] , Memory Controller Load [%] , GPU only Power Draw [W] , VDDC Power Draw [W] , VDDCI Power Draw [W] , VRM Efficiency [%] , Memory Used [MB] , VDDC [V] ,
2018-03-09 16:42:29 ,             1259.2   ,               2000.0   ,               70.0   ,              19   ,                 920   ,         98   ,                       76   ,                  93.3   ,              72.3   ,               13.6   ,             93.5   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:30 ,             1259.1   ,               2000.0   ,               70.0   ,              19   ,                 921   ,        100   ,                       52   ,                  83.4   ,              65.2   ,               13.6   ,             93.1   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:31 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               70.0   ,              19   ,                 921   ,         97   ,                       49   ,                  77.8   ,              58.5   ,               13.6   ,             92.6   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:32 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               70.0   ,              19   ,                 920   ,         84   ,                       40   ,                  84.5   ,              64.5   ,               13.6   ,             92.9   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:33 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               70.0   ,              19   ,                 920   ,         86   ,                       55   ,                  79.9   ,              68.7   ,               13.6   ,             93.3   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:34 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               71.0   ,              19   ,                 920   ,         99   ,                       61   ,                  88.7   ,              63.4   ,               13.6   ,             93.2   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:35 ,             1259.2   ,               2000.0   ,               71.0   ,              19   ,                 920   ,        100   ,                       54   ,                  89.0   ,              61.0   ,               13.6   ,             93.2   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:36 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               71.0   ,              19   ,                 920   ,        100   ,                       59   ,                  83.8   ,              65.9   ,               13.6   ,             93.3   ,            439   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:37 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               71.0   ,              19   ,                 920   ,         98   ,                       60   ,                  47.5   ,              14.8   ,               12.2   ,             78.6   ,            440   , 1.0938   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:38 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               71.0   ,              20   ,                 932   ,         99   ,                       60   ,                  83.1   ,              66.6   ,               13.6   ,             93.0   ,            440   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:39 ,             1260.0   ,               2000.0   ,               71.0   ,              20   ,                 949   ,         99   ,                       59   ,                  83.8   ,              64.9   ,               13.6   ,             92.7   ,            436   , 1.1750   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:41 ,             1206.9   ,               2000.0   ,               68.0   ,              20   ,                 954   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  28.1   ,              10.5   ,               12.2   ,             78.6   ,            436   , 1.0938   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:42 ,              346.7   ,               2000.0   ,               66.0   ,              20   ,                 960   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  18.2   ,               0.0   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:43 ,              388.6   ,               2000.0   ,               65.0   ,              19   ,                 955   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  21.9   ,               3.4   ,               12.2   ,             73.0   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:44 ,              326.8   ,               2000.0   ,               65.0   ,              19   ,                 936   ,          1   ,                        0   ,                  18.2   ,               0.0   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:45 ,              300.0   ,               2000.0   ,               64.0   ,              19   ,                 931   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  18.2   ,               0.0   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:46 ,              480.2   ,               2000.0   ,               64.0   ,              19   ,                 930   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  18.2   ,               0.0   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:47 ,              409.6   ,               2000.0   ,               64.0   ,              19   ,                 929   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  19.7   ,               0.9   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:48 ,              300.0   ,               2000.0   ,               63.0   ,              19   ,                 908   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  18.2   ,               0.0   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:49 ,              300.0   ,               2000.0   ,               63.0   ,              19   ,                 898   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  18.2   ,               0.0   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,
2018-03-09 16:42:50 ,              300.0   ,               2000.0   ,               63.0   ,              19   ,                 894   ,          0   ,                        0   ,                  18.2   ,               0.0   ,               12.2   ,             67.1   ,            225   , 1.0250   ,

09-Mar-2018 16:42:32 [SETI@home] [checkpoint] result blc16_2bit_guppi_58137_29913_HIP46580_0021.20186.409.22.45.159.vlar_1 checkpointed
09-Mar-2018 16:42:40 [---] Exiting
09-Mar-2018 16:42:40 [---] [task_debug] requesting tasks to exit
09-Mar-2018 16:42:40 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=QUIT_PENDING for blc16_2bit_guppi_58137_29913_HIP46580_0021.20186.409.22.45.159.vlar_1 from request_exit()
09-Mar-2018 16:42:40 [---] request_exit(): PID 9028 has 0 descendants
3072) Message boards : The Lounge : Future Boinc thoughts (Message 85066)
Posted 9 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
But I won't expect much support on a Boinc forum now will I?? :-)
On the contrary. Stanford does very good science, I've run their programs in the past. If you want to go over there, be my guest. It's a free world we live in, you get to do with your hardware what you want, there's no one around telling you what you need to do with it.
I for one still point people to try Prime95 when they seem to have stability problems, to test and see if calculating a large Mersenne Prime will topple their computer over, and if it does, that it's their computer that has the problem. Whether they do so, is still up to them.

People are leaving Boinc & seti@home in unprecedented numbers for many reasons, projects off sir, creditscrew, no tangible results for their work, and for other reasons discussed here. Seti classic and DC was a novelty back in 1999, two decades later, time has moved on, and it doesn't have the same cachet any more to appeal to the general public. Even the new Breakthrough Listen hasn't had that much of an impact.
So I take it that over the two months you kept "quiet", you held a widespread poll among the people who left, personally asked them their reasons why they left, trawled through all project forums to read people's reasons why they left, managed to get a hold of each and every one of them, etc. etc. and have a concise write up someplace online that shows in graphs and tables how you researched this and what the outcome of it was?

Or are you just generalizing, shaking some reasons out of your sleeve, reasons you hold dear, reasons why you're trying to leave here? Because then please, by all means, say so: "I am leaving because of these reasons". Because what do you care that other people are leaving?

But good luck over at FAH. Mind what you say on their forums, as when you think you had it tough speaking your mind at Seti or over here, it ain't a cakewalk over there either. Remember that they're as much a volunteer project as anything else these days, and even have it that when servers go down, it can take several days before someone notices and turns up to give them a kick.
3073) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85062)
Posted 8 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Holly thanks everyone who's congratulated her, and gives an A for effort to the person doing the multi-coloured congrats. :-D
3074) Message boards : The Lounge : Future Boinc thoughts (Message 85059)
Posted 8 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You are all missing the point, which is that only a handful of Boinc projects support GPU crunching, most are CPU only. I do not decry the various CPU scientific endeavours, as you have seen I have supported most of them over 18 years since 2000. The simple truth is that people can do more good for mankind by using their GPU's in another way than by supporting just 1/2 a dozen Boinc projects.
What you're missing is that the majority of people use their GPU for what it is intended for: show pretty pictures on their monitor/screen and perhaps game a little. A lot of the projects use such specific coding that it's not really useful to run on a GPU, or it needs the less fault-tolerant CPU to do the work. Slow but steady.

Sales of PCs/Macs have been plummeting all around, and that's the place where the GPUs are used. The big sales in GPUs is at the moment for cryptocurrency, but because the next hash is so difficult to calculate you won't do with one or two GPUs, but you need a whole lot of them. And since that's impracticable to pay for, unless you're stinking wealthy, it's where pooling comes in. But even pooling has its limit.

These also slurp up electricity, a reason why lots of big farms move to Iceland (cheap hydro-electric energy). And eventually even then they won't be able to do those calculations anymore and something else is needed. Back to BOINC though, for the regular user it's cost efficient to run work on the smaller devices. Therefore I do hope that the developers do see the light soon and make a new BOINC that can run on all of the Android and IoT devices out there.

The IoT is going to be big, what with a small device needed in all lamp posts, traffic signs, traffic lights, perhaps even the roads themselves, to accommodate for the self-driving car. Small energy efficient devices, with lots of computing power. Even we should jump on its band wagon, now there's still places free.
3075) Message boards : The Lounge : Future Boinc thoughts (Message 85057)
Posted 8 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want to do specific science, helping mankind better their health, there's World Community Grid, for which you can run your CPUs at https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewAllProjects.do
Microbiome Immunity Project
Smash Childhood Cancer
OpenZika
Help Stop TB
FightAIDS@Home
FightAIDS@Home Phase 2
Outsmart Ebola Together
Mapping Cancer Markers

Of those just 173,360 people are interested in Boinc DC projects.
The amount of people doesn't matter so much. It's not the people who do the science, but their devices. So you measure it by the amount of science their devices do, which is 22,539,244.2 GigaFLOPS / 22,539.244 TeraFLOPS, on average, every day. Many supercomputers don't reach those numbers.

Furthermore, with joined groups such as Gridcoin (where multiple thousand of people form one account), it's really bad to count popularity based just on the amount of people that are active on a project. WCG for instance has 51,998 active users whose 258,633 active hosts generate on average 608,586.0 GigaFLOPS / 608.586 TeraFLOPS of data, but do you know how many of those are joined accounts?

Compared to Folding@Home's statistics: http://folding.stanford.edu/stats/os
Native TFLOPS* 	x86 TFLOPS* 	Active CPUs 	Active Cores 	Total CPUs
41,425 	        86,498 	        89,615 	        300,657         8,731,061
And notice that they state their statistics based on science done, not based on how many people do it?
3076) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85037)
Posted 7 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord's pretty laid back today, seeing as it's Holly's birthday, we're glad we can celebrate another one.

Gave her her own Raspberry Pi 3B, with mini keyboard.

Ever tried packing a HDMI cable into gift wrapping paper? I managed, but with quite some stress at the time. :)
3077) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 85027)
Posted 6 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Family of yours?
3078) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't run boinc in azure: /user/slots directory does not exist (Message 85018)
Posted 6 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps he's using the BOINC version still available from Berkeley, which puts everything in the home folder?
3079) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disable daemon? (Message 85004)
Posted 4 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
For others wondering this, it's done by uninstalling BOINC through Add/Remove Programs, restarting its installer, in the third screen of the installer click Advanced and take the check mark off of "Service Install". Read the blurb there why. Then continue the installation as normal.
3080) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84997)
Posted 3 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks betreger!

Sigh.
3081) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84992)
Posted 2 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
David was going to refresh the 64-Bit version as well, but something went wrong: the 19 Feb build with broken VBox is still there.
Well, at least the broken VBox installer showed some shortcomings in the BOINC installer package and in the logging. I told you we'd find lots of problems, just didn't expect them to be there. ;-)
3082) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84989)
Posted 2 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It sounds like the first message "Starting BOINC client" is wrong but the Vbox message is correct.
Well, as I found out last night by installing the 32 bit client + VBox version, that message is to be taken with some salt as well. For when you install the 32bit version of client and VBox on a 64bit CPU and OS, the message is wrong.
VBox is silently dropped in this, you can only find out about that by going through Windows Event Viewer.

The message we get is: Can't detect VirtualBox because this is a 32-bit version of BOINC; to fix, please install a 64-bit version.
This is because the 32bit VBox cannot run on a 64bit system/OS. The above message implies that by installing a 64bit version of BOINC, the 32bit version of VBox will work. Which it still won't. It requires a 32bit operating system as its (hidden as an informational message in Event Viewer) error message says: Product: Oracle VM VirtualBox 5.2.6 -- This application only runs on 32-bit Windows systems. Please install the 64-bit version of Oracle VM VirtualBox 5.2.6!
3083) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84987)
Posted 1 Mar 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now here's the confusing thing. When I install the 32 bit client and check with boinc.exe --version from the command line what it answers, it says 7.9.2 windows_intelx86, while the 64 bit client will answer 7.9.2 windows_x86_64. So if the client answers that via the command line, why can't it do so via the event log?
3084) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84980)
Posted 28 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can report to any of us. What do you have to report? Is it good news? With bad news, there's the door....
3085) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84978)
Posted 28 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
windows_x86_64 there is not how the client was built but what it detected.
As far as I know, this indicates it's the 64bit client, as opposed to a startup message stating Starting BOINC client version 7.9.2 for windows_intelx86

Edit:
I installed the 32bit client (boinc_7.9.2_windows_intelx86.exe) on my Windows 7 64 bit. It shows as 7.9.2 (x86) in About.

28/02/2018 19:44:20 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.9.2 for windows_x86_64
28/02/2018 19:44:23 |  | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)

All along I always thought the intelx86 stood for 32 bit client and x86_64 for 64 bit client. Was it ever like that then?
3086) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't uninstall or update Boinc (Windows 7) (Message 84970)
Posted 28 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try using https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/fix-problems-that-block-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed first.
Alternatively, try to reinstall/repair install the version you're trying to uninstall. There wasn't one released in May 2017, not a recommended one and not a test version. But you can navigate to the BOINC data directory (default a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\, so fill it in in Windows Explorer and hit Enter), then open the stdoutdae.txt file and check which version it says runs in there: Starting BOINC client version N.N.N for windows_x86_64, what do the N.N.N represent? 7.6.33, 7.7.2, 7.8.0, something else?
3087) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC freezes Raspberry Pi (Message 84952)
Posted 27 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Biggest advice is change the default password!
LOL, changed the login name and password a day after I bought the thing back in 2009. :)
3088) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84945)
Posted 27 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.9.2 Auto-attach

Auto-attach is a feature where you download the BOINC installer directly from a project or account manager, and when the client first runs it's attached to that project or AM. You don't go through the BOINC web site to download the software, and you don't see the Attach Wizard.

The feature involves server software. Currently only SETI@home (project) and Science United (account manager) have the needed server support.

To test this feature on SETI@home:
    Uninstall BOINC or rename your data directory.
    In a browser, visit https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/download.php?dev=1
    Click on either link (with or without Vbox) and install.
    Verify that BOINC starts up attached to your SETI@home account. 

To test this feature on Science United:
    Uninstall BOINC or rename your data directory.
    In a browser, visit https://scienceunited.org/
    Create an account, and download BOINC
    Verify that BOINC starts up attached to Science United 

If you are already using Science United, go directly to https://scienceunited.org/download.php?dev=1
3089) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84940)
Posted 27 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, if you personally cannot, then I'll thank the person that could, as so far it looks as if the snow has passed me by. I still have to drive Holly to her heart rehabilitation tomorrow and Thursday and I prefer to do that sans snow. :)
3090) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84935)
Posted 27 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as you keep that snow to the North of me, that's fine. :)
3091) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84932)
Posted 27 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, the rabble is here. Is it March yet?
3092) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 84931)
Posted 27 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mies Bouwman, 88, Dutch TV presenter and entertainer
3093) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC freezes Raspberry Pi (Message 84924)
Posted 27 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got any advice for the firewall, Mark? My Pi might want one as well once I resurrect it. Or does a NAT router suffice?
3094) Message boards : Questions and problems : Get more work when network connection is down (Message 84918)
Posted 26 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Computing Preferences.
Store at least N days of work.
Store up to an additional N days of work.

Some projects, like Seti and Milkyway (I think) have a hard coded amount of work you can download, being for Seti 100 for CPU (no matter how many you have, or how many cores) and 100 per GPU; Milkyway was 6, I think. But you'll have to wait for someone to confirm that.
3095) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC freezes Raspberry Pi (Message 84914)
Posted 26 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Only the red light is on however (constantly).
It helps to know what the lights indicate: Raspberry Pi Power / Start-up

And a lot more information about what the ACT light (green) does, and what could be the cause when it's not blinking, in the Is your Pi not booting? thread over on the RaspberryPi forums.
Edit: A lot more people with older models, who had intermittent freeze problems. Perhaps ask on their forums if someone knows?
3096) Message boards : Questions and problems : what is "plan_class" xml tag in app_info ? (Message 84907)
Posted 25 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AppPlan
Plan classes are policies that allow the BOINC scheduler to decide:

    whether an application should run on a particular host;
    what resources it will use (# of CPUs and GPUs, optionally memory usage)
    how fast it is expected to run. 

Each app version has an associated plan class; multiple app versions may have the same plan class. See how to specify an app version's plan class. Each plan class has a textual name. The default plan class (whose name is empty) is for single-threaded CPU applications.
You can check the application's plan class at the project's applications page, or perhaps it's shown in the name and therefore shows in the properties of the tasks. Like Seti@Home has the application name setiathome_v8 8.20 with between parenthesis the plan class, for example (opencl_ati5_sah). You can check that against their applications page.
3097) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning after hiatus: Forgot password and do not have old email address. (Message 84893)
Posted 24 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
edit: the bad news is that when I just tried, I couldn't find anywhere to put it.
Yes, at Seti that thing is gone, the way of the dodo. I'm not completely sure for the reasoning behind it, but since the login with authenticator isn't anymore, I didn't offer it. :)
3098) Message boards : Questions and problems : Returning after hiatus: Forgot password and do not have old email address. (Message 84891)
Posted 23 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not a project website, so know that if you're asking about that. We don't have any credit here on the website, only post counts.
What you can do on the machine that's still running, is open BOINC Manager - if that's an option - and use the Project buttons to go to your account and change things there.
3099) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager 7.8.6 (Message 84867)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer always advises when you have problems to download the installer fresh, to make sure the last one wasn't corrupt, reinstall BOINC and do a reboot after that.
3100) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84860)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project down for maintenance
Please check back in a few hours.
Although someone there needs to find a new definition for 'few'.
3101) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84859)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Separate links for downloading 7.9.2 on Linux:

- First check your repository, it may be updated and have it.
- For RHEL, download and use boinc-client-7.9.3-1.el7, this requires that you have RPM installed. See this page for that how-to.
- For Debian/Ubuntu, Gianfranco's PPA page: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc

To install...
Debian unstable and testing: sudo apt-get install boinc-client boinc-manager
Debian stretch: (enable stretch-backports repo) sudo apt-get install boinc-client/stretch-backports boinc-manager/stretch-backports

Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install boinc-client boinc-manager

Older Ubuntu releases:
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install boinc-client boinc-manager

Fedora/RedHat/CentOS
sudo dnf config-manager --set-enable updates-testing
sudo dnf install boinc-manager
3102) Message boards : Questions and problems : i5 8400 iGPU "missing" after Intel Graphics update. (Message 84856)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I also tried reinstalling the driver.
What, the same one that made your iGPU unavailable? If that didn't work the first time, it won't make it work the second time.
You'll have to hunt for older drivers, either on your system or on Intel's website. The newest isn't always the best and aren't really necessary unless you have trouble with the drivers you have. You can try Intel's 15.60.2.4901 drivers, Intel's 15.60.0.4849 drivers or Intel's 15.47 driver. I'd uninstall previous drivers where possible.
3103) Message boards : Questions and problems : Delete abandoned tasks (Message 84852)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN does not ever -AFAIK - remove any of the old models from your account. They're one of the few projects that don't do that, that keep all these old ones available for you.
3104) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.9/7.10 Change Log (Message 84850)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.9.2 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the CUDA and OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, built for and current Fedora/Ubuntu/Debian/Redhat distributions, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list requires access to Google Groups, which may require a Gmail email address. To sign up with the group, click the "Apply to join group" button.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.

Adding the possible bug to Github Issues is also an option. Github requires registration as well.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, double, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC volunteer development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.9.2

  • MGR: Use wxHTMLWindow in task property window
  • client: fix bug in URL-escaping that fails for non-ASCII chars
  • Locale: add extra space around placeholders
  • MGR: don't crash if GUI RPC returns empty reply
  • client: update keyword handling
  • LIB: Prevent the possible issue of dereferencing a NULL pointer
  • MGR: Mac: change "you are not authorized to manage the client" in alert to "... to manage BOINC" or "... to manage World Community Grid", "... to manage GridRepublic", etc.
  • MGR: Mac: code optimization
  • Mac: Add new files keyword.cpp,.h to Xcode project
  • client/LIB: don't flush stdout and stderr in main loop
  • LIB: fix out of bounds write in get_real_executable_path
  • client: add task name and tweak postponed message
  • Add new files for keyword scheduling
  • scheduler: send workunit keywords in reply
  • client: parse job keywords from scheduler and save in state file
  • client: parse keyword file and export keywords in get_state() GUI RPC
  • MGR: if a job has keywords, show them in task properties
  • Mac: Add keyword.cpp,.h to targets screensaver, ss_app and manager in Xcode project
  • Winbuild: add keyword.{h,cpp} to VS2013 solution
  • keyword list: add Australia
  • get_project_config.php: include project keyword list if present
  • MGR: Fix Properties Window
  • MGR: use "client" instead of "daemon"
  • MGR: Properties Window fix
  • client: Fix parsing of AM reply messages
  • MGR: remove excess blank lines in notices
  • client: do coproc detect in a separate process even for debug
  • client, Win: append .exe to service process program name if missing
  • client: hardware client executable name: boinc or boinc.exe
  • MGR: Rename OK button to Save button
  • client: fix keyword parsing
  • MGR: Change OK button on Advanced Preferences to Save button
  • client: show how many project files are being checked
  • MGR: For Statistics graph show values on Y axis with 2 digits after point if these two digits are greater than 0.01 only
  • MGR: fix daily schedules input data check
  • LIB: set correct buffering mode after cycling logs
  • client: explicitly flush stdout on all Windows builds
  • client: fix bug where client does tight loop if no_gui_rpc set
  • client: fix bug in set_app_config GUI RPC
  • Mac project: fix bug in BuildMacBOINC.sh script when -all argument is implied but not explicitly passed
  • Mac: Update Xcode project to build everything 64-bit, in preparation for future removal of 32-bit support in OS 10.14.
  • Mac installer, MGR: Fixes to allow building 64-bit application on Macintosh
  • Mac: Update build scripts to build Manager dependencies wxWidgets and SQLite as 64-bit libraries (temporarily build both 32-bit and 64-bit libraries for backward compatibility)
  • Mac: Update installer build script to eliminate unnecessary special handling of screensaver build which is no longer needed
  • Mac: Update installer build script to get boinc_logo_black.jpg from a different path because it is no long in the doc directory.
  • Build: fail if wxWidgets lib can not be found but is required
  • MGR: update Xcode project and scripts for wxWidgets 3.1.0 because wxWidgets 3.0.0 can not be built using Xcode 9 due to APIs no longer supported by the header files in the OS 10.13 SDK
  • Mac: fix installer build script to allow spaces in paths
  • Build: install locale files in out-of-tree builds
  • client: add support for streamlined register/download/attach
  • client: autologin: parse user_id from installer filename, pass to RPC
  • MGR: don't show Attach Wizard at startup if autologin in progress
  • lookup_login_token RPC: check for volid token
  • MGR: Enable 'Back' button when 'Next' is disabled on FailedLogOn page
  • client: delete autologin file if any errors
  • Windows installer: change custom action to write installer filename to file
  • client: Mac OpenCL: fix arithmetic overflow in memory size calculation for AMD GPUs
  • Mac installer: write name of installer to installer_filename.txt in BOINC Data directory
  • Mac installer: Make everything in zipped top-level directory user-writable so project web code using auto-attach can delete it after inflating, modifying installer name and recompressing it
  • Mac installer: check whether the project server provided the installer_filename.txt file by putting it in the same parent directory as our installer bundle (the bundle's default name is "BOINC Installer.app"). If yes, copy the provided file into the BOINC Data directory. Otherwise create the installer_filename.txt file and write the name of our installer bundle in it
  • MGR: simple view: don't show attach wizard on startup if autologin file present
  • Add script to get versions; don't show VBox button if no VBox version
  • client: don't handle GUI RPCs until account token lookup RPC is finished
  • client: change constant INSTALLER_FILENAME_FILENAME TO
  • client: change comment that referred to old autologin filename
  • login token lookup RPC: return team name also
  • client: change some links and urls to use https instead of http
  • client: make autologin work for account managers as well as projects
  • login_token_lookup RPC: make it work for account managers too
  • MGR: if client is auto-attaching to a project, increase the delay before displaying the "Communicating with client" dialog from 1.5 seconds to 60 second. This allows for the time the auto-attach may take before GUI RPCs are enabled. But we do display it after 60 seconds a a safety feature, so that the user can exit BOINC if the client hangs
  • Mac installer: correctly replace screensaver when installing an older version of BOINC to replace a newer version
  • Mac installer: correctly determine package name and branding if installer file name has been modified
  • client: if autologin project ID not in project list, get new list
  • client: change name of autologin file
  • MGR: don't bother checking for autologin file before showing attach wizard
  • client: keep track of whether project list fetch was triggered by autologin
  • client: include platform names in account manager request
  • boinccmd: Add commands to do acct mgr RPC, and to show acct mgr info
  • Mac installer: Replicate commit 5296088 previously made in trunk: correctly replace screensaver when installing an older version of BOINC to replace a newer version
  • Mac client: Fix bug which caused BOINC client built with SDK OS 10.11 or later to fail to get correct system RAM size when running on older versions of OS X
  • boinccmd: Correct user help text for changes after original creation
  • Locale: Update localization files
  • client: fix BSD build (from Larry Rosenman)
  • boinccmd: change command from --acct_mgr synch to --acct_mgr sync
  • client: update ca-bundle.crt to latest copy of certificates from
  • boinccmd: show CPU/GPU resources in --get_task
  • Build: optionally disable webview support in wxWidgets
  • MGR: Use wxHtmlWindow in DlgItemProperties
  • MGR: support wxWidgets without webview component
  • MGR: use correct clipboard when copying text
  • client: gather libc version on Linux
  • client: refine libc version gathering
  • client: fix libc version gathering
  • Mac GFX Library: fix bugs introduced in commit baac677 when rendering some graphics apps. Project graphics apps for Macintosh should be relinked with libboinc_graphics2.a built using these updated source files
  • MGR: Make webview support optional
  • MGR: adjust Event Log stripe color
  • Linux: Add generated systemd unit
  • Remove HOST_USAGE.max_ncpus. It's not used anywhere. avg_ncpus is always used instead
  • client: updated all_projects_list.xml



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.9.2
- boinc_7.9.2_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.9.2_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.9.2_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.9.2
- boinc_7.9.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.9.2_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.2.6 included
- boinc_7.9.2_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.9.2_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Linux 7.9.2
- Your Linux repository. The maintainers for Debian, Fedora and RHEL are building the new test and release versions at the same time as the builders for Mac and Windows do. So always check your repository first.
- Else download and use boinc-client-7.9.2-1.el7, this requires that you have RPM installed. See this page for that how-to.

3105) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84849)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
We have a new Disclaimer blurb on the alpha releases, please read carefully and test all links.
3106) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not requesting tasks: don't need (not highest priority project) (Message 84848)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is boinctaskstray.exe running (in Windows Task Manager)? Despite its name, this file is necessary for correct idle detection.
Do you have differing power options under Windows? Where you don't allow (USB) Human Interface Devices to power down, or not allow them to wake the computer?

(Edit: Richard's right)
3107) Message boards : Questions and problems : i5 8400 iGPU "missing" after Intel Graphics update. (Message 84847)
Posted 20 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tried a reboot?
Simple answer is, when BOINC can't find your GPU, check drivers.
3108) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to switch task from GPU to CPU? (Message 84841)
Posted 19 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is however a user made rescheduler with which you can move GUPPI tasks to CPU. See this thread on the Seti forums.
3109) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84817)
Posted 17 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.9.1 retracted for testing.

If you have already downloaded and started using BOINC 7.9.1, soit, but officially it's been retracted. For official testing, wait for 7.9.2
3110) Message boards : GPUs : Windows 10 and 2 GPU cards where 1 is not compatible to do BOINC (WCGrid) work (Message 84814)
Posted 16 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure, and you should ask about that on the World Community Grid forums, but I don't think they have sub-projects that run on a GPU at the moment.
3111) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 84784)
Posted 14 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Crypto-currency craze 'hinders search for alien life'
Scientists listening out for broadcasts by extra-terrestrials are struggling to get the computer hardware they need, thanks to the crypto-currency mining craze, a radio-astronomer has said.

Seti (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) researchers want to expand operations at two observatories. However, it has found that key computer chips are in short supply.
"We'd like to use the latest GPUs [graphics processing units]... and we can't get 'em," said Dan Werthimer. Demand for GPUs has soared recently thanks to crypto-currency mining. "That's limiting our search for extra-terrestrials, to try to answer the question, 'Are we alone? Is there anybody out there?'," Dr Werthimer told the BBC.

"This is a new problem, it's only happened on orders we've been trying to make in the last couple of months." Mining a currency such as Bitcoin or Ethereum involves connecting computers to a global network and using them to solve complex mathematical puzzles. This forms part of the process of validating transactions made by people who use the currency. As a reward for this work, the miners receive a small crypto-currency payment, making it potentially profitable.
3112) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84767)
Posted 13 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
[edit] and fwiw, going to that link gives me a message I'm not authorized to see the group. [/edit]
You should now be able to see the group:
https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/forum/#!forum/boinc_alpha
3113) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84766)
Posted 13 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The massive BOINC 7.9.1 change log will show up when ALL BOINC versions for all platforms are available.
3114) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 84743)
Posted 10 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm a member of their moderator email list, it'll be mentioned on there when things will be back to normal. Thus far no such message to be had.
3115) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 84735)
Posted 10 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reg E. Cathey, 59, American actor (The Wire, House of Cards, Fantastic Four)
John Gavin, 86, American actor (Psycho, Spartacus, Imitation of Life)
John Mahoney, 77, English-American actor (Frasier, In the Line of Fire, Say Anything…)
Leon "Ndugu" Chancler, 65, American jazz/pop drummer ("Billie Jean")
Dennis Edwards, 74, American Hall of Fame soul and R&B singer (The Contours, The Temptations)
Jim Skaggs, 86, American actor and stuntman (Death Valley Days, Gunsmoke, Six Million Dollar Man)
Ann Gillis, 90, American actress (The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, Bambi, 2001: A Space Odyssey)
Alf Humphreys, 64, Canadian actor (My Bloody Valentine, First Blood, Diary of a Wimpy Kid)
Louis Zorich, 93, American actor (Mad About You, Brooklyn Bridge, The Muppets Take Manhattan)
3116) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84733)
Posted 9 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
See? Skim/skip over, just as I was saying. After which I surmised she wants y'all to go back and intently re-read to find the missing elephant in the post. Which may have been the biltong (of course, it's a Dutch word...)
3117) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84726)
Posted 9 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this a new way of getting people to intently re-read those walls of text they skipped/skimmed over the last time around? :)
3118) Message boards : Projects : Climateprediction.net Outage (Message 84709)
Posted 7 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thread above yours, the News on Project Outages:
Post 84625:
CPDN is temporarily unavailable.

Sarah Sparrow wrote:
Dear all,

As you probably already know we are currently experiencing issues. The core VM is currently unavailable and our website is unreliable. Therefore we are going to stop the project until this is resolved. I will keep you updated with progress.

Best wishes,
Sarah

Post 84679:
CPDN.org / Climateprediction.net servers and forums has been unreachable for 24+hours.
Only the MAIN Climateprediction.net web page can be reached.
3119) Message boards : BOINC client : Rosetta sends too much work (Message 84708)
Posted 7 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jim1348 clarified the definition of "what does long term" mean (10 day REC half-life is default)
REC isn't recalculated over a precise 10 days either.

From cpu_sched.cpp you can see how REC (Recent Estimated Credit] is defined:
// CPU scheduling logic.
//
//  - create an ordered "run list" (make_run_list()).
//      The ordering is roughly as follows:
//          - GPU jobs first, then CPU jobs
//          - for a given resource, jobs in deadline danger first
//          - jobs from projects with lower recent est. credit first
//      In principle, the run list could include all runnable jobs.
//      For efficiency, we stop adding:
//          - GPU jobs: when all GPU instances used
//          - CPU jobs: when the # of CPUs allocated to single-thread jobs,
//              OR the # allocated to multi-thread jobs, exceeds # CPUs
//              (ensure we have enough single-thread jobs
//              in case we can't run the multi-thread jobs)
//      NOTE: RAM usage is not taken into consideration
//          in the process of building this list.
//          It's possible that we include a bunch of jobs that can't run
//          because of memory limits,
//          even though there are other jobs that could run.
//      - add running jobs to the list
//          (in case they haven't finished time slice or checkpointed)
//      - sort the list according to "more_important()"
//      - shuffle the list to avoid starving multi-thread jobs
//
//  - scan through the resulting list, running the jobs and preempting
//      other jobs (enforce_run_list).
//      Don't run a job if
//      - its GPUs can't be assigned (possible if need >1 GPU)
//      - it's a multi-thread job, and CPU usage would be #CPUs+1 or more
//      - it's a single-thread job, don't oversaturate CPU
//          (details depend on whether a MT job is running)
//      - its memory usage would exceed RAM limits
//          If there's a running job using a given app version,
//          unstarted jobs using that app version
//          are assumed to have the same working set size.
Next you can see from line 86 onward how it's calculated, with going from line 565 how it's updated over time.

But one caveat, REC determines mainly when a project's tasks are run, not when it's due to ask for work, or how much work BOINC will ask for.

A project should always send in the neighborhood of how much work's being asked, it can be less, it can be more. But for on first work request, winch is for 1 second. Then it'll get at least one task for each hardware resource you designated needing to get work. The work that's still in cache will be accounted for in the calculation of REC, but the new to be asked work isn't (of course, as we don't know what it'll be and how long it's going to run for).

So while you could experiment with the REC half-life value, here as well, don't expect that BOINC will immediately within the time set you give it, do what you want.

Note: there is one, maybe one and a half person here at BOINC who totally knows how all of this fine-balancing of scheduling to and fro works, and I ain't one of them.
3120) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84700)
Posted 6 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's now a car in space. The Falcon test flight worked perfectly.
From NBC's SpaceX's Falcon Heavy rocket nails its maiden test flight:
For its maiden launch, the Falcon Heavy carried a special payload from Musk’s electric car company: a red Tesla Roadster. Initially, Musk said he intended to put the car into orbit around Mars, but the current plan is to send the car into an elliptical orbit around the sun.
3121) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84675)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since I have to go to the garage anyway for that switch, I'll ask them what my best course of action is.
The garage measured the condition of the battery, it's fine. It was over 90% charged, I saw the value myself. It's a Calcium battery (Ca/Ca).
3122) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not requesting tasks: don't need (not highest priority project) (Message 84671)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does it have any work in cache?
Can you run the rr_simulation flag for a while? (BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Options, Event log options, check rr_simulation, OK (or Save).
For 'a while' is one round if work is in cache. Please disable this option after one or two rounds, as it can take up quite a bit of the log.
3123) Message boards : Android : Where are the older versions to download ? (Message 84670)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're looking for http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk
All downloads are available from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D
3124) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84669)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It'll get enough load the following days, lots of driving on the agenda. Will have to, as winter has finally arrived, so I am keeping an eye on that.
Don't have a loader of any kind, is difficult as well as not the right neighborhood to leave anything outside without armed guards. ;-)

But thanks for the warning. Since I have to go to the garage anyway for that switch, I'll ask them what my best course of action is. I only changed the battery last year, but don't mind to do so again. Last year I had a flat battery as well, but that was 'normal' as it had a best before date of 2009... :)
3125) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 84668)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, thank you very much Jay! You know what I mean. Had me wondering there what that was about, but now I know. :)
You had to change diet? So far she hasn't. I'm still waiting for that to happen. All tofu only. ;-)

She's had one week of heart-rehabilitation now, three days a week (Monday, Wednesday, Thursday). I drive her there and pick her back up. The first day I stayed there, waiting. And since I'd read the appointment wrong, was biting myself because what I thought was just an hour, was two... Couldn't go anywhere either, as I was watching her stuff. Neither of us had a euro for the lockers, and the other coins didn't work.

Today we have an appointment with the cardiologist. So gathering the question list.
3126) Message boards : Questions and problems : NOT able to recover password for Rosetta@home (Message 84662)
Posted 4 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just tried the 'forgot login' option with the email address you gave. It's the only thing we here can do. Perhaps if someone else did it, that it would work.
At least by testing that, it shows that address is in Rosetta's database. It can have gotten there if you are the founder of a team that you set up via BOINC Wide Teams.

Although, looking up your name, you do have an account there, are even crunching for it.
This means that you can use the authenticator approach. You can find the authenticator in the client_state.xml file, but easiest probably is to lift it from the account_boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta.xml file in your data directory. You can open our XML files with Notepad.
3127) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84658)
Posted 4 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a Suzuki Swift from 2001, it doesn't do that. It'll give a continuous beep when you leave your lights on when you remove the key and the door is open, and an intermittent beep for leaving the key in the ignition with the door open. But as I said, both only work when the switch down in the doorframe clicks back out. When it's stuck, it won't do all that. So something for the garage.

But with Holly's heart rehabilitation taking up my Monday, Wednesday and Thursday, and mom's grocery shopping Tuesday, there's not much leeway.

Edit: it was the low beam lights.
3128) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84650)
Posted 3 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, neither. I used AAA for convenience so the English folk would know what I was talking about. And it was easier to type than Suzuki Mobility Service, it's a free service my garage gives. 24/7, all over Europe. Unless there's really something broken that needs replacement, most trouble fixes they give are free.

As for the LED lights, I like them as they shine really far. Only thing is, as I found out, during the day - nearly invisible. Also in snow, useless.
And as I explained to my brother tonight, I do have an audial warning when I leave my lights on, but that's done via a switch that clicks on when the door opens. It'll also give a beep when the key is still in the ignition, and it'll turn the cabin light on. Problem is, the switch intermittently gets stuck, so all those things then don't happen.

But okay, I got the boost from the battery starter, and drove for 30 minutes before going to the store. Added an extra 15 minutes to it after going to the store. So the battery's full again.
3129) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84644)
Posted 3 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
When do you know your mind isn't with it?
I just came to my car, was going to the store for a quick shopping spree as I am lacking certain ingredients for dinner... turned the key, nothing. Not even a click.
Dead battery.
Found I'd left my lights on. And those are the new LED ones which with their white light are almost impossible to see you've left on, unless it's dark. It wasn't dark when I got back yesterday. Am now waiting for the AAA to give me a visit, in 30 to 45 minutes. Hope they're on time, the store is open till 8pm, if I am not mistaken. :)
3130) Message boards : BOINC client : Authorization Failure -155 (Message 84633)
Posted 2 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
--attach_project is the boinc binary command.
--project_attach is the boinccmd command.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Command-line_options
--attach_project URL account_key


https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool
--project_attach URL account_key


So please double check that you're using the right command in the correct place.
Also check that you have the whole authenticator key. Error -155 means that the authenticator you provided isn't the same as the one the project has in the database.
3131) Message boards : BOINC client : Rosetta sends too much work (Message 84626)
Posted 2 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
This was brought up in the past, but all the user got was a sarcastic response from a forum mod.
Funny how you can read what my mood was on 7 Feb 2014 at 5:40 in the afternoon. I'd appreciate it if you refrained from posting stuff like that again. I reread my answer there, and it's far from sarcastic. But if you don't like the answer I gave there, that's something different, and all about your own state of mind. Not necessary to rub that off onto me.

Onto an answer: the resource share in BOINC 7 is one that runs over long time. Short time changes have no effect. Short time changes in preferences have no effect either.
If you feel Rosetta sends more work than BOINC asks for, you'll have to take that up with that project, we have no bearing over them. At least they have updated their server software to something more recent, it used to be ancient (beginning of BOINC time).

As for BOINC development, if after today you still feel this needs to be changed, post an Issue at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues and hope someone takes you up on it. Do know we only have 3 developers, all of them volunteers. Not all of them will know in-depth how the scheduler works, and the one that does is swamped in other work already, among others the new way of doing science, soon to be revealed. He may have time after that though.

Before posting your issue, you may want to search through back-issues if there's none there yet that asks what you want to ask, such as More cores used than user limit and BOINC may not use all CPUs in some cases.
3132) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 84625)
Posted 2 Feb 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN is temporarily unavailable.

Sarah Sparrow wrote:
Dear all,

As you probably already know we are currently experiencing issues. The core VM is currently unavailable and our website is unreliable. Therefore we are going to stop the project until this is resolved. I will keep you updated with progress.

Best wishes,
Sarah
3133) Message boards : BOINC client : Scheduling the client (Message 84619)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set as first value 9pm (21:00), set as second value 6am (06:00).
3134) Message boards : BOINC client : Email Help (Message 84618)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
On http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Help click the top Get live help via Skype or email link, choose your language, choose any of the people you want help from, click on their name. An email form will open.
3135) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd account manager operation don't work (Message 84614)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Other than through BOINC Manager, I don't think there is an option in the older clients' command line versions.
3136) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd account manager operation don't work (Message 84612)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
They are not supported in any of the presently available BOINC versions, but will possibly come in BOINC 7.10
Any options added need a new client, they'll never be back-ported to previous versions or added in other ways to older clients.

Edit: It specially says they're new in 7.10 on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool#Account_manager_operations
3137) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84609)
Posted 31 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently the Berkeley email lists are being moved to Google Groups, a decision they forgot to tell its users about.
3138) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84604)
Posted 30 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Someone adding me to a boinc_alpha Google Group without explaining why. I hate it when that happens.
3139) Message boards : Questions and problems : New motherboard fried, not sure if BOINC is to blame (Message 84574)
Posted 28 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome to the boards. Sorry to read about your motherboard, but I can say with great certainty that BOINC was not to blame. BOINC by itself is just a managing program, it in itself does not add any stress to your system. You can easily test that by installing BOINC and not adding any projects, then you can leave BOINC on the system ad nauseam and it will only fail again if the next motherboard is also bad.

In all my years of computing I only ever had one motherboard go bad (and when it went with a bang, it took my RAM and CPU along with it to the great beyond). This was due to bad capacitors, a thing that was a problem some years back. These days they're all military grade, and gold capped instead of cardboard.
Usually when a motherboard goes it came with micro-fractures already that increased over time due to heavy use (read: heat & cooling cycles).

The project applications will put a heavy stress onto the CPU & GPU, although that does depend on the project and whether they optimised their applications, and if so what kind of optimisation was used (integer mathematics, floating point maths, using simd, using just CAL/CUDA or OpenCL.)
Then it depends on how much cooling your system has, and the amount of maintenance you spend on it. A case with 40 fans will grind to a halt just as fast as a case with 4 fans if you never clean them in a dusty (lived in, animal rich) environment.

So go ahead and reinstall BOINC.
But before you restart your projects, check your maintenance and decide if a little less intense usage is just as well.
3140) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive Applications (Message 84562)
Posted 27 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Youtube runs through your browser, so the only way for now to do so is to add the browser's executable name. The developers are looking into other methods I saw the other day, but this isn't going to be in any new BOINC soon.

But looking in the Windows Store, there are plenty of stand-alone apps that you can use, seeing how you're on Windows 10.
Wintube for Youtube
Perfect Tube
Awesome Tube
Pro Tube

All are available for x86 and x64 CPUs and are free (but with in-app purchases). I'm sure they'll show what their executable names are when you start them.
3141) Message boards : Server programs : newbie question (Message 84558)
Posted 26 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It sounds to me that you want someone else to tell you what your project must be about? But that's not really how this works.
How it should work is that you have a plan of what you want to do, and start from there, develop applications, decide what platforms to make them for, and have a load of data at the ready that those applications can compute through. Then you put that into a BOINC server, and have separate clients crunch that data. Be it your own clients, or also from out there in the wide world.
3142) Message boards : Questions and problems : security hack? unauthorized gui_rpc attempt seconds after a new installation (Message 84554)
Posted 26 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, at least that shows I am wrong. on that, but still would like to see a (complete) log with gui_rpc_debug from machine/BOINC startup.
3143) Message boards : Questions and problems : security hack? unauthorized gui_rpc attempt seconds after a new installation (Message 84549)
Posted 25 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have the feeling it is to do with the grcpool AM.
Can you enable the gui_rpc_debug flag in cc_config.xml options, please?
3144) Message boards : Questions and problems : security hack? unauthorized gui_rpc attempt seconds after a new installation (Message 84545)
Posted 25 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you add grcpool to that BOINC?
Or are remote hosts on your local network allowed to check this host, and do those remote hosts use grcpool?
3145) Message boards : Questions and problems : Carolyn disk error message blocks my account now (Message 84540)
Posted 25 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
David looked at it minutes after me reporting it last night - and minutes before I fell asleep. He couldn't find a problem with your account at that time.
Do you still have the problem?
3146) Message boards : Questions and problems : security hack? unauthorized gui_rpc attempt seconds after a new installation (Message 84539)
Posted 25 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you post the corresponding (part of) the log, please? It's difficult to follow what you say, because as far as I know the gui_rpc don't use IP addresses, but port numbers.
3147) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc stop using GPU when receive a Remote Desktop Connection(RDP) (Message 84538)
Posted 25 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows Remote Desktop uses its own videocard driver, one that doesn't have things like CUDA or OpenCL included. When you use RDP to check on your system from elsewhere, Windows starts using that driver, meaning your GPU can't do work anymore because it doesn't have the right component. It's not a bug. It's how it should work. Once you stop using RDP, BOINC will detect that the normal driver is back and start using your GPU again.

If you do not want this to happen, the only way to do so is by using a third party RDP program that uses the driver installed by the user. I'm sure people here will have examples of such programs.
3148) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84513)
Posted 24 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Past 07:15 CET. Seti is still down. I am up. Things in the world are weird.
3149) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84492)
Posted 23 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's doable. A lot of extra sleeping in the day, I usually crash out around 3pm. The least fun are the agonizing aches out of nowhere, which can happen at any time and then fade. I found that even painkillers don't help against those, not ibuprofen, not paracetamol, so I stopped taking both and just take the aches as they come.

We're just back from Holly's heart rehabilitation intake. She's to have an intensive program for 10 weeks, 3 days a week, during which time she'll have physical-, diet- and psychological training, on how to live longer since the heart attack. The only problem is, it's in one town over, and I'm not sure I can bring her all the time or pick her up. But we'll see.
3150) Message boards : Android : Preferences > Max. Battery Temperature (Message 84488)
Posted 23 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default value is 40C/104F.
If you want a preferences reset function, best ask that in github issues. I don't know where we are with regards to developing the Android client anymore, haven't heard from the developer in question in absolute ages.
3151) Message boards : Questions and problems : is there an exclude_cpu or ignore_cpu? (Message 84479)
Posted 22 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project preferences -> uncheck "Use CPU".
3152) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.8.3 is not picking up the avx, avx2 flags in Ubuntu 16.04.3 (Message 84468)
Posted 21 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
So BOINC 7.8.3 does detect both AVX and AVX2, which the thread was started for.
Meaning that the science applications needing this CPU feature will also work. They usually check for themselves as well what the CPU capabilities are.
Other than BOINCTasks not showing it - probably because it cuts off showing the whole string after N letters - I don't see what else we can do.

If Fred still develops BOINCTasks, taking this to him, is your next step.
3153) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moo! Wrapper can't create account (Message 84463)
Posted 21 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're the second person saying this. Any special characters in your email address?
3154) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.8.3 is not picking up the avx, avx2 flags in Ubuntu 16.04.3 (Message 84460)
Posted 21 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/client_release/7/7.8/client/hostinfo_win.cpp#L1165 shows, for Windows all the features are spelled out in the code, they only show when really detected, but anything new won't show until it's added, as it's not defined.
3155) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't create LHC@home account (Message 84458)
Posted 21 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can change the email address at a later time.
3156) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.8.3 is not picking up the avx, avx2 flags in Ubuntu 16.04.3 (Message 84457)
Posted 21 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC should detect AVX, not necessarily AVX2:
Oops, that was Mac code only.
More specifically, https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/client_release/7/7.8/client/hostinfo_unix.cpp#L419 and further does the Linux detection, using proc/cpuinfo into a string of 1024 characters.
3157) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.8.3 is not picking up the avx, avx2 flags in Ubuntu 16.04.3 (Message 84449)
Posted 20 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC should detect AVX, not necessarily AVX2:
    host.p_features[0] = 0;
    for (p = strtok(features, sep); p; p = strtok(NULL, sep)) {
    if (p != features) safe_strcat(host.p_features, sep);
        if (!strcmp(p, "avx1.0")) {
            safe_strcat(host.p_features, "avx");
        } else if (!strcmp(p, "sse3")) {
            safe_strcat(host.p_features, "pni");
        } else if (!strcmp(p, "sse4.1")) {
            safe_strcat(host.p_features, "sse4_1");
        } else if (!strcmp(p, "sse4.2")) {
            safe_strcat(host.p_features, "sse4_2");
        } else {
            safe_strcat(host.p_features, p);
        }
    }

https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/client/hostinfo_unix.cpp, lines 800 and on.
3158) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84445)
Posted 20 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meh. She's trying out the bronchitis I gave her, she's on anti-biotics.
I'm trying out this new flu (AH3) which causes mostly pain (in muscles and bones). I slept about 20 hours in the past 24.
3159) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a "device_nums" for app_config? (Message 84444)
Posted 20 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I ended up excluding einstein from the smaller board.
You could also try to exclude the board for a specific application.

<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   [<device_num>N</device_num>]
   [<type>NVIDIA|ATI|intel_gpu</type>]
   [<app>appname</app>]
</exclude_gpu>

<code>app</code> specifies the short name of an application (i.e. the <code>name</code> element within the <code>app</code> element in client_state.xml). If specified, only tasks for that app are excluded.
3160) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't create LHC@home account (Message 84441)
Posted 20 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The simplest solution first, check that your email address isn't already registered: https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/get_passwd.php
3161) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84430)
Posted 18 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still alive, with roof. Our news is all about that storm we had today. Too glad I don't travel with public transport, as that's non-existent today.
3162) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84428)
Posted 17 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice. I just bought a new 2 year license for my Kaspersky anti virus, with 50% off on 3 devices. The old license still has 44 days on it. It now says on my portal that those 44 days will run out and the AV on my system will then immediately switch to the new license. That's really nice. I know of enough places where they'll just put the new license in immediately, 'robbing' you of those 44 days.
3163) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84423)
Posted 17 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Complaints about the cold? Try Siberia, where it's -62C (-79.6F), cold enough that thermometers freeze and crack.
3164) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84410)
Posted 16 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm... I just find 12 tasks ready to report in my BOINC. Apparently I ran them last week during the outrage, and haven't run BOINC since. Oh well. Next week!
3165) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Statistics Screen Showing Points at Future Dates (Message 84407)
Posted 16 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_do_I_fix_a_statistics_corruption%3F
3166) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 84392)
Posted 15 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dolores O'Riordan, 46, singer of The Cranberries
3167) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.6 released for Mac (Message 84389)
Posted 15 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From elsewhere on this site:
Charlie Fenton, Mac developer wrote:
I have built BOINC 7.8.6 for the Mac and uploaded it to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl. This is a release for Macintosh only; there are no changes from 7.8.3, 7.8.4 or 7.8.5 affecting the code for any other platform. It fixes a couple of Mac-only bugs in 7.8.5:
* Reliably installs the BOINC screensaver (unless asked not to do so.)
* Fixes a bug which could prevent determining the correct size of RAM when run on versions of OS X older than OS 10.11.

Please promote it to recommended version when appropriate.

This allows older project graphics apps to be displayed by the Mac screensaver under OS 10.13 High Sierra, though at a slower frame rate than project graphics apps which have been relinked with the BOINC graphics libraries version 7.8.3 or later. The slower frame rate can make animations appear less smooth.

There is no change in the way the screensaver displays project graphics apps on versions of Mac OS X prior to OS 10.13, whether or not the graphics apps have been relinked.

For older builds of a graphics app, the screensaver will show the moving BOINC logo with the text "Starting screensaver graphics" for 5 full seconds before displaying the graphics. Updated graphics apps will appear more quickly ("Starting screensaver graphics" will appear for less than 5 seconds.)

Cheers,
--Charlie
3168) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84379)
Posted 14 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have built BOINC 7.8.6 for the Mac and uploaded it to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl. This is a release for Macintosh only; there are no changes from 7.8.3, 7.8.4 or 7.8.5 affecting the code for any other platform. It fixes a couple of Mac-only bugs in 7.8.5:
* Reliably installs the BOINC screensaver (unless asked not to do so.)
* Fixes a bug which could prevent determining the correct size of RAM when run on versions of OS X older than OS 10.11.

Please promote it to recommended version when appropriate.

This allows older project graphics apps to be displayed by the Mac screensaver under OS 10.13 High Sierra, though at a slower frame rate than project graphics apps which have been relinked with the BOINC graphics libraries version 7.8.3 or later. The slower frame rate can make animations appear less smooth.

There is no change in the way the screensaver displays project graphics apps on versions of Mac OS X prior to OS 10.13, whether or not the graphics apps have been relinked.

For older builds of a graphics app, the screensaver will show the moving BOINC logo with the text "Starting screensaver graphics" for 5 full seconds before displaying the graphics. Updated graphics apps will appear more quickly ("Starting screensaver graphics" will appear for less than 5 seconds.)

Cheers,
--Charlie

- boinc_7.8.6_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.8.6_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.8.6_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
3169) Message boards : Questions and problems : No new tasks - machine (Message 84368)
Posted 13 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Activity->Suspend Network.
3170) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84366)
Posted 13 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have temporarily removed BOINC 7.8.5 while I investigate a possible problem in the client when running on older Macs.

Cheers,
--Charlie
3171) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.4 release for Mac (Message 84365)
Posted 13 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Screensaver wrote:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
Apple has made a security change in OS 10.13 High Sierra (released last Monday) which breaks BOINC project screensavers. I have developed a fix for this problem, but unfortunately it will require that projects relink their Macintosh graphics apps with a new graphics library and distribute the updated.

Current graphics apps will still work from the "Show graphics" button in BOINC Manager, even under OS 10.13. They just won't be visible in the screensaver.
The BOINC side fix will be in 7.8.3+, but the projects will have to rebuilt their applications in order for this fix to work.
Seti has not yet built new graphics applications because they lack someone who can do so for the Mac. (But the BOINC developer for the Mac is busy with a new client that can work with the older graphics apps, so in the near future this may be fixed)

Your notice:
This is a message that the Seti application throws, it's not something BOINC can help with. There are several threads about it on the Set forums, amongst places in this forum.
3172) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 84358)
Posted 12 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.8.5 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.8.4 -> 7.8.5

  • Mac screensaver: under OS 10.13+ if the BOINC screensaver cannot display a graphics app with hardware acceleration using the IOSurface APIs because the app has not been linked with the current graphics libraries, then display it using the much slower CGWindowListCreateImage API.




Available installers:

Macintosh 7.8.5
- boinc_7.8.5_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.8.5_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.8.5_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

3173) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 84357)
Posted 12 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have built BOINC 7.8.5 for the Mac and uploaded it to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl. This is a release for Macintosh only; there are no changes from 7.8.3 or 7.8.4 affecting the code for any other platform.

Please promote it to recommended version when appropriate.

This allows older project graphics apps to be displayed by the Mac screensaver under OS 10.13 High Sierra, though at a slower frame rate than project graphics apps which have been relinked with the BOINC graphics libraries version 7.8.3 or later. The slower frame rate can make animations appear less smooth.

There is no change in the way the screensaver displays project graphics apps on versions of Mac OS X prior to OS 10.13, whether or not the graphics apps have been relinked.

Cheers,
--Charlie
3174) Message boards : Questions and problems : Users of grcpool beware! (Message 84356)
Posted 12 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
These are the BOINC forums, you can post about anything about the client, the manager (GUI), any of the tools, problems with supported account managers, problems with directories or the registry entries. But when you have problems with grcpool, we ask you to take your question directly to its makers. We do not support grcpool and have no help about it on these forums.

Grcpool is the account manager for Gridcoin, and they've taken the Account Manager concept, stripped it of anything they didn't want, and that's what you have to work with to enter their pool.

We understand that you come to these forums to ask for help about it, but that's something we cannot give. We do not support Gridcoin or any of its tools.
We respectfully request that you take problems with these to their website, forums or other means of communication.

With thanks,
The BOINC team.
3175) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2 video cards but only using 1. (Message 84355)
Posted 12 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm about sure that the "ignored by config" message only occurs when the user specifically ignores the GPU via cc_config.xml
When two different Nvidia GPUs are in there, both CUDA and OpenCL on the weakest GPU will state "Not used".

So instead of just adding use_all_gpus, also check further down in your cc_config.xml file if you are ignoring GPU1. More specifically via the ignore_nvidia_dev option.
<ignore_nvidia_dev>N</ignore_nvidia_dev>
Ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA GPU. You can ignore more than one. Requires a client restart.
3176) Message boards : Questions and problems : Remove option on 2 projects are light grey/faded out, how do I remove projects please? (Message 84354)
Posted 12 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you add projects via an account manager, you have to remove them via that account manager.
If the account manager doesn't let you, complain at the makers of that account manager.

We do not make the GRCPool account manager, nor do we support it. As far as I can figure from the complaints we get about it, they've taken the concept of the account manager and removed parts of it so it works as they want. That it then breaks conventional rules of how the thing should do things, they don't seem to care about. Best ask at their site.
3177) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84348)
Posted 11 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.acronis.com/en-us/articles/whats-raid10-and-why-should-i-use-it/ has a picture.

Disk 1 & 2 are mirrored RAID1, holding chunks 1, 3, 5 and 7.
Disk 3 & 4 are mirrored RAID1, holding chunks 2, 4, 6 and 8.
All disks are striped RAID0, holding chunks 1 to 8.

This way if one drive fails in either array, the data is still there on the mirrored disk in that same array.
3178) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84336)
Posted 10 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could use some air. Slept 3.5 hours before the coughing started again. Oh well, at least gives me time to scan the WD disk and see if there's anything recoverable on there.

Edit: total scan is going to take over 44 hours.
Uhm... let me use the next 10 hours to copy that 447GB of series from a backup drive onto the NAS instead. :)
3179) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84335)
Posted 10 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Gary:
RAID 10, also known as RAID 1+0, combines disk mirroring and disk striping to protect data.

A RAID 10 configuration requires a minimum of four disks, and stripes data across mirrored pairs. As long as one disk in each mirrored pair is functional, data can be retrieved. If two disks in the same mirrored pair fail, all data will be lost because there is no parity in the striped sets.

@Sirius,
I read your post as if you suggested that JBOD has a form of redundancy, or auto-backup of all data on disk. Not that you do the backup yourself.
If Raid not your scene then a NAS box set as JBOD. 1 drive for your rips the 2nd as a backup copy.
So had to clear that up that it certainly doesn't.
3180) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84330)
Posted 10 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
JBOD has no redundancy, neither has RAID0.
From my NAS's documentation:

* Use Basic with one disk. It has no fault tolerance.
* Use JBOD with two or more disks for maximum capacity. This is just a collection of disks with no fault tolerance.
* Use RAID 0 with two or four disks for maximum speed and no fault tolerance.
* Use RAID 1 to create an exact copy of data on one disk to a second disk. Use this with two to four disks to mirror primary data to another disk(s) with high performance.
You can add a hot spare to a 2-disk RAID 1.
* Use RAID 5 with three or four disks to balance performance and hard disk capacity usage with data protection in case of disk failure.
You can add a hot spare to a 3-disk RAID 5.
* Use RAID 6 with four disks for more data protection in case of disk failure.
* Use RAID 10 with four disks to get better performance than RAID 6, with slightly less data protection.


Hot spare is what my Friendo asked about. You just add a drive and when one in the array fails, that drive takes over.
However, your array is three disks big, so at maximum you have the space of two drives. One for redundancy.

RAID10 isn't ten, but 1+0, it's two disks running RAID1, two RAID0.
3181) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84316)
Posted 9 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Men, watch out: Ibuprofen may increase risk of fertility issues in men, study suggests

Men who take high doses of ibuprofen for months at a time may be at greater risk of fertility issues and also other health problems, such as muscle wastage, erectile dysfunction and fatigue, scientists have found.
3182) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84311)
Posted 9 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL. it could have been 4x3tb :-)
Not with 10.73TB of total room available. RAID 5 on 4 x 4TB drives means as much as have 3 x 4TB available space + 1 x 4TB for redundancy. 3 x 4 = 12, which is very close to 10.73TB. More close than 3 x 3 = 9.

Seagate shipped the new drive to me yesterday, it came in earlier today. It's been thawing out for several hours on my cough.
I've since put it in my NAS instead of the WD, and deleted the previous volume on there, then set up 4 Basic volumes, one on each drive.
Formatted those Films, Miscellaneous, Music and Series. At least the next time one of those goes, we'll know which one and only have to replace that one.
3183) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84308)
Posted 9 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
IE says the Login and Sig Up links work now.
So I guess that's fixed.
3184) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84304)
Posted 9 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I sent word about the broken login to David. Doubt I'll hear anything back, he sure didn't email me back on any of the previous broken things around here. Perhaps Richard is the new me.
3185) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84303)
Posted 9 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do your legs hurt when you cough?
No, although some of those coughs do seem to come from as deep as my toes.
I woke up earlier because I was coughing in my sleep, doing the deep coughs already. Had to quickly reach for my bucket as a lot of the mucus had to come out... Yeah, eeeeeew.
But better rid than have it.

My voice is now almost non-existent. I croak.
So that's going to be using the keyboard tonight on the work group meeting. Yes, we're still doing that, apparently.
Although even I wonder why.
3186) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84285)
Posted 8 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, so Saturday night a pain started I had never felt before. As if Gary here was prodding me with two knitting pins in my shoulders, on the rounded bit. And pushing and turning them in there. All the painkillers (paracetamol, ibuprofen, aspirin) we had in the house did nothing. I slept about one hour that night. All through Sunday the pain was there, but dull and in the background. Not anymore as soon as I laid down for bed... not only did the coughing continue, the pain was back and quadrupled, now also affecting my arms, my back etc.

I first thought I had a heart attack, but my heart beat was just 90 a minute. Not a speed you'd expect when having a heart attack.
So I managed to sleep another hour.

Got an early appointment at my GP.
Went there, he said we'll listen. Severe bronchitis. I am completely clogged up.... and this was a bit of a relief, as I had forgotten all about my chronic bronchitis as I haven't had a problem with it in 7 years...
Also had an ECG made, just in case. That was all good, no problems at all.

So I went home with Doxycyclin, will be interesting to see if I still hallucinate of this stuff.
Had my first two this afternoon and the pain and coughing has gone down considerably. So you can stop prodding me, Gary! :)
3187) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84283)
Posted 8 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's the capacity of those 4 drives?
As I said, it had 5.8TB of 10.73TB in use. I also said that I would turn this into 4 separate volumes when we're redoing things. So a quick guess would've brought you at least 4TB per drive. ;-)
(and yes, the loss is that much in a RAID5, going from 16TB to a mere 10.73TB)

3 Seagate, one WD. All 4TB per.
I just got confirmation from Seagate that they've sent me a replacement drive for the one I sent them. A same one as I already put in there.
I think I'll go change out the WD then and make all drives in the NAS Seagate. Then it's two NAS drives (ST4000VN000) and two of the newer versions IronWolf (ST4000VN008). Those run cooler than their predecessors as well. The WD always ran hottest of all (50C under load), so I'lll move that one to my desk for backup purposes.

Also decided not to go do difficult and disconnect all my drives bar my Windows one, then connect all those drives and try and see if I can recover any data from it. I think it's easier to reformat and restart.
3188) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84282)
Posted 8 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I said last time around, when I spent a good afternoon logging with Wireshark what happened and digging through that data, those lines are only shown in the client's log, they're not sent to the server. It usually is a snippet of the latest news/notices, but if need be, resurrect #2101
3189) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84271)
Posted 8 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
And back up.
3190) Message boards : Questions and problems : New-Old User? (Message 84265)
Posted 7 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
There doesn't seem to be a "global" signin on the client anymore?
The BOINC client or manager never had those by default, but perhaps that you used an account manager, such as GridRepublic or BAM!. Account Managers allow you to choose multiple projects on one page and move those to BOINC Manager in one contact. (Tools->Use account manager).
3191) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 84264)
Posted 7 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ray Thomas, 76, founder of The Moody Blues.
3192) Message boards : Questions and problems : Science United ??? (Message 84262)
Posted 7 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
What, you mean http://casathome.ihep.ac.cn/apps.php?
If a BOINC project uses the BOINC front end, they may not show the links but they'll be there, because they're in the source code. You can't make your front page without them.
3193) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel CPU/Kernel Problem and BOINC (Message 84251)
Posted 6 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
From https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/industry-testing-shows-recently-released-security-updates-not-impacting-performance-real-world-deployments/

As Intel and others across the industry partner to protect customers from the exploits (referred to as “Spectre” and “Meltdown”) reported Wednesday, extensive testing has been conducted to assess any impact to system performance from the recently released security updates. Apple, Amazon, Google and Microsoft are among those reporting that they are seeing little to no performance impact.
3194) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84249)
Posted 6 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Moments later I smelled it as well. Nose isn't as blocked as one would think, I can breathe through it. Lucky as well as otherwise I'd be coughing all night, due to the drying of the back of my mouth. Plus I have spray to open it up, which I don't use as much, but is available nevertheless. Oh ja, and drinking of several longdrink glasses of water per night.

Holly is the one with the complete head cold, with stuffed nose etc. Is why she sleeps sitting upright on the couch. She can't lay down without getting shortness of breath and feeling as if suffocating.

I hope I never have a heart attack! You go from semi-energetic to a complete wreck in 24 hours.
3195) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Request - GPU Scheduling (Message 84247)
Posted 6 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already built in: advanced view > options > exclusive applications.


Exclusive applications:
When programs in this list are detected in memory, BOINC will stop the science applications. Programs in the CPU section will suspend all of BOINC. Programs in the GPU section will only suspend the GPU, but allow the CPU to continue doing work.

Requires that you run Activity "based on preferences".
3196) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84245)
Posted 6 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you get a flu shot?
I didn't, Holly did. We both have this flu. She brought it from the hospital. I think flu from there is resistant against the flu shot. ;-)

Edit: I quit getting the flu shot some years ago, since I would have the sniffles and snot from two days after getting the shot in October, till April. The first year I went without the shot, those sniffles didn't occur. In all the years after that I may have had sniffles from time to time, but never longer than a week.

Thanks Annie!

(Went to bed an hour ago, have been coughing up big chunks of slime since. Ahh, the fun of changing from vertical to horizontal and the effect that has on the body.)

Edit2: been coughing so deep, my mouth and throat 'taste' like ashtray. I quit smoking in 2011...
3197) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Install of BOINC Manager; cannot add project or account manager (Connection error) (Message 84237)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I normally write answers like my previous one out over days in Notepad++, often restarting and rewriting it completely before putting it onto the forums. This time I decided to just post it as is, no matter the backlash.

As Richard points out, I am also human.
As I pointed out, I'm also a volunteer.
There's frustration enough as it is. But do get your priorities straight.

For instance:
My partner having a heart attack the week before Christmas and her having to stay in hospital during Christmas was cause enough for frustration.
Having been bogged down with this new flu for the past 6 days is cause enough for frustration, especially since our tea is running out.
We lost 5.8TB of data on our NAS on the 30th of December when a sensor in one of the hard drives decided to go haywire and show the drive run at 140C. While running a RAID5 array, and only removing the defunct drive and adding a new one, after the repair job, we only had two directories left, instead of 7. That's cause for frustration.

Those three instances have taken up a lot of my attention these past three weeks, and will still take up my attention. If that then means I cannot help people here on the forums, not even if I am the only one with the answer, then so be it. But since you ranted, I thought it needed a reply in kind. One with a lot of data in it, with causes for the connection drop, with an explanation on how things work, with an explanation on how BOINC is being developed these days.

And that written from the heart, and hopefully as cool as it could've been done. Because at the end of the day, I should be able to say my bit on how I think you were misguided as well. Just as you feel you should be able to say how bad the software is at the moment.

Although seeing the silence on the forums, not that bad. It's been way way way worse.
3198) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 84236)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a fun flu this year. Now, I know flu isn't in general very funny, but some of them have you locked in bed for 10 days, where with others you can roam around more freely. This is for me a flu which allows me to roam, but only for a small window of time.

I've had about all now with it:
- coughing, with deep coughs, seeing black in front of my eyes, or all purple balls.
- throat hurting from the coughing.
- dizziness.
- all muscles hurting.
- sneezing my hair off.
- drooling like a baby.
- diarrhea. Nothing more to say about that
- high fever, followed by low fever, no fever, high fever, etc.
- the severest of headaches that laugh in the face of wimpy painkillers.
- throwing up.

Really, if you don't want any of the above, make sure to lock yourself up in your plastic bubble.
3199) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 84235)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know what's making this thread so slow to load all of a sudden, but it's caused me to change my forum preferences to show 100 posts per thread, instead of 200. If it loads slow for you too, know that the above is a good workaround.
3200) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84234)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
So while making room for possible backups, I found that someone had downloaded a bit of an illegal version of R-Studio 5 years ago onto the TV server, which I now installed and am scanning the NAS with. It's found lots and lots of file fragments and directories. Light may be glowing at the end of the tunnel. Sometimes it's good to have a flu, that way you don't drastically do stupid things like removing the Volume on the NAS. :)

We have made a decision on what's going back on there, though.
Since the first time with a NAS we lost all our data when a drive broke (RAID1) and now we're in dire straits after a drive broke (RAID5), I'll be going for 4 separate volumes on the flip side, make them network drives. If then one of those drives fails, we haven't lost all our data, just the data on that drive.

Plus since we have Netflix now, a lot of the films and series we had are on there, so we don't have to download those anymore. No longer doing Netflix through the TV, we're doing it through the computer next to the TV, as that's where the 5.1 sound system is connected to. Besides, at UHD format Netflix can put away 7GB of data per hour, our WIFI couldn't handle that. The computer is 1000 Mbit wired and thus better capable.
3201) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Install of BOINC Manager; cannot add project or account manager (Connection error) (Message 84219)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
There seems little point sending notifications to working versions of BOINC, telling people to upgrade, which when they do then actually all it does breaks the client and then stops them from crunching.
Actually, the client will still work perfectly, it's just that the manager (the GUI) cannot contact the client so that you can (easily) control it. You should still be able to control it using the boinccmd tool.

Most of the problems with BOINC Manager not communicating with the client stem from anti virus software and firewalls. With Windows 10 - and especially if you run the development version of Win10 - you have to set up everything after every update, because Microsoft in their infinite wisdom will overwrite every setting you have and/or reset it to its default setting, because they will deem that your system then works better for them.

So always check your firewall (rules).
Or set up a firewall rule, an inbound and outbound one for the BOINC client (boinc.exe) and the manager (boincmgr.exe)
You don't have to set up which port number to use in the Windows firewall. But if it asks, use 31416, for both.

A lot of people come on the forums here - and at project forums - with the grcpool account manager and have questions about those. We do not develop this thing. We do not have support for it.
Simple rule of thumb: any questions not about the BOINC client or BOINC Manager or its directories, ask at the place you got it from.
We don't know how the grcpool account manager interferes with BOINC Manager, go ask them about it. It's not a sanctioned account manager, the only ones we sanction are BOINC Account Manager (BAM!) and GridRepublic and even then, if you have questions about how to use those, go ask their developers.

We do know that this problem you have is not a very widespread one. It's not as if everyone running BOINC 7.8 has this problem, so it's easy to find what could cause it. Most of the times when you're the only one with the problem it can be frustrating because help isn't coming quickly enough. Having said that, you figured out that a previous version works normally, so you can return to that one without much pain. And therefore the rant you degraded this post into wasn't necessary.

To say this issue has seriously damaged our opinion of BOINC, its development team, and its "support", would be an understatement. And the really sad point of note is the fact that we have just spent over $15K on new hardware to run solely on Volunteer computing.
Well, I'm sorry the experience you had was a bad one. There was help enough in this thread, not as much from me, but that was due to something happening in my private life for which BOINC and from my viewpoint everything else could easily drop off the face of the earth for all I cared. On top of that, I managed to get this nasty new flu.

That said, everyone here, including me, is a volunteer helper. The BOINC development is being done by volunteers. There is no dedicated team of paid developers anymore. Now, in the past, when problems came to the front with a client, one of the developers would check what the problems were and try to release a new version as soon as possible. That is not the case anymore, now the client release manager will check once every so many time units what new code was added to BOINC and make a pick from that to release a new client to the alpha testers.

In the real world, the CRM will then check channels to see if no big problems happen with this client. If there are big problems, he'll try to get new code that fixes that and release a new client, again to alpha only. So until a client emerges that works fine among the alpha testers. This client is then released onto the public, who can still find problems with it because of their different hardware/software setups. It's then pertinent to find what's causing that, get it fixed and release a new client.

All that hasn't happened with most of the BOINC 7.8 versions, and I doubt it'll happen with the 7.9/7.10 versions. This because the CRM has his own agenda and is still adjusting to the new BOINC governance setup. TL;DR

If anyone else is in the same boat
And there you went and made it an advertisement of Folding@Home & Curecoin. Hope you're happy over there. I hope for them they'll never have problems with their software, because you're not someone with patience and grace. Or trying to work with the people trying to help you. You decided it was a bug, it was with BOINC, they had to fix it - during the holidays no less. 6 days between asking for help and running away. I salute you. I hope that the next person, the one reading what I wrote here, takes it to heart that we do try to help everyone to the best of our knowledge, but that due to unforeseen circumstances and health issues, it can take time. Time that you apparently do not have.
3202) Message boards : Questions and problems : Science United ??? (Message 84213)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The URL to the insecure front page of the BOINC website is now again pointing at the BOINC website.
3203) Message boards : Questions and problems : Science United ??? (Message 84189)
Posted 4 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 'normal' page for it seems to be {redacted}, because all of the join/login pages link to this domain on a secure page as well. I'll ask David if he intents to use the not-secure page as well, but it seems to be a fluke.
3204) Message boards : Questions and problems : Science United ??? (Message 84185)
Posted 4 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please read {redacted}.

It's David's new thing. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11647#78714 for more on that.
3205) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Manager Mac doesn't use default buttons (Message 84171)
Posted 3 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reply from the developer
This has been true since at least version 7.2.42 (the oldest version I tested today.) Again, I suspect this is at least in part due to the behavior of wxWidgets.

While it should be possible to fix all these issues, I am doing only the most critical maintenance on BOINC these days (i.e., fixing only "show stoppers"), and we don't have any other volunteers coding BOINC for the Mac. If the poster knows of anyone willing to work on this, BOINC is open source and anyone is welcome to contribute. I'm sorry I can't offer more help.
3206) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Manager Mac doesn't react to scrolling with keys (Message 84170)
Posted 3 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reply from the developer:
Actually, it does, but which part of the window reacts depends on which part has keyboard focus. For example, in the Tasks tab of the Advanced View on the Mac, focus is initially on the first button in the Commands section of the window ("Show active tasks", which is highlighted to show that it has focus.) So if you select a row in the tasks list, it is highlighted only in gray. Pressing the tab key on the keyboard cycles focus through the command buttons and eventually gives focus to the list, at which time the highlight color of the selected row changes to the highlight color specified in system preferences (usually blue.) At that point, the up and down arrows step through the rows, selecting each in turn.

Since shift-tab on the keyboard cycles focus in the opposite direction, you can change focus to the list by pressing shift-tab once when the "Show active tasks" button is highlighted.

This works the same in MS Windows, except that the tasks list has focus initially, so the up and down arrow keys step through the rows right away. Pressing the tab key or shift-tab moves focus away from the list to the command buttons, until it cycles back to the tasks list. The difference in initial focus is probably due to a difference in wxWidgets for the two platforms.

(Having written the above, I just tried it again and I can't get the tab key to shift focus to the command buttons, but it does shift focus to and away from the list rows. So there is some inconsistency here, though I can always get the arrow keys to work on the list by pressing the tab key some number of times.)

On the Mac, I sometimes can get the selected row in the Event Log to show the standard highlight color and respond to the arrow keys, but not consistently. This works reliably on Windows, but it would take further investigation to understand why it is inconsistent on the Mac.

(Having written the above, I just tried it again and I can't get the tab key to shift focus to the command buttons, but it does shift focus to and away from the list rows. So there is some inconsistency here, though I can always get the arrow keys to work on the list by pressing the tab key some number of times.)

I figured this out. In System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts there is a pair of radio buttons. They give a choice of whether pressing the tab key while a window is displayed moves keyboard focus between "test boxes and lists only" or "all controls." It shifts focus to the command buttons only when "all controls" is set.
3207) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84158)
Posted 2 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are your head colds any better?
Holly's without voice. I am with 39.2C fever.
We're getting by. :)

I broke the NAS some more, on purpose, so it's rebuilding again.
Eventually I'll try to log in with Linux, see if that can find some of the missing stuff. It would be nice to get all the films back.
I have backups of most of the series that are difficult to get. And the rest of the series, we just took a Netflix subscription for (the UHD one, as my TV is UHD and it has this big Netflix button. :)); login in was a bit awkward, but Netflix has now taken over our TV. :-)

Now I'll try to get rid of my present internet/TV/telephone subscription and just get Internet/telephone for that.
3208) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84144)
Posted 1 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well great. The RAID5 array has rebuilt itself, it shows as healthy, 5.8TB of 10.73TB in use. The only thing is, we only see the admin and music directories, none of the others are visible or can be approached. I've posted to the Zyxel forums for help on that and refuse to believe we've actually lost all that stuff on there. It's a good thing we're both down with severe head colds and loss of voice, appetite and just about anything. It's a bad thing as well, as now we don't have anything to watch.
3209) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84143)
Posted 1 Jan 2018 by Profile Jord
Post:
Poor kitty-cat. When Wokkel falls, she'll also always try to be suave about it, you didn't know what you saw human, pictures or it didn't happen!
So now what? Is he to use a splint? And extra personnel to cater for all his wishes? :)

The NAS is still rebuilding the array, we're at 98.3%.
Seagate in the mean time has given me an RMA number, they agree that a drive showing at 111C/232F at room temp of 17.8C is broken. Even if all the rest of the tests say it isn't.
3210) Message boards : Questions and problems : Live Help by e-mail, voice or text not working? (Message 84123)
Posted 31 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David fixed this overnight.
3211) Message boards : BOINC client : Loss of Einstein WU Credit after updating Boinc Manager (Message 84122)
Posted 31 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You cannot lose credit, as that's stored in a database on the server of the project.
You can mismatch the directory the BOINC data was stored in locally. Check that when you installed BOINC, that it took over the original place of the data directory, especially if you put it on another drive/partition.

Default place for the data directory is at C:\Programdata\BOINC, it's a hidden directory.
If you moved it elsewhere, try to remember where that was and check that you pointed BOINC to it now as well (open BOINC Manager, press CTRL+SHIFT+E to open the Event Log and check at the top of the log what it says for data directory).
3212) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84121)
Posted 31 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
0.8% = 37h 30m
0.9% = ranging from 32h 08m to 36h 08m
1.0% reached in 15 minutes.

I see where this is going. In the region of 25 - 30 hours then.

Edit: by the way, big points for Zyxel, who made my NAS.
The last time I had a hard drive fail in the Shuttle NAS, we lost the whole array due to only being able to do RAID0 or RAID1.
Now at least with RAID5 we could lose a drive. Let's hope it's the only one, although all of the remaining Seagates are under warranty until October 2018.
3213) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel CPU Temp (Message 84117)
Posted 31 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The stock cooler is only efficient if you use the CPU in mostly idle situations. Anything that uses the CPU, the stock cooler will be unable to cool.
So yes, best replace fast with some aftermarket cooler. If the case doesn't allow for placement of a radiator with fan, best buy a new case. They aren't that expensive, if at least you don't want it to come with rainbow coloured LED fans. Just shop around for Cooler Master, Aerocool, be Quiet! or Sharkoon cases. (My main i5 system is housed in this case. I'm very happy with it. The radiator + fan fits in the top if the case, under the mesh.)
3214) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 84116)
Posted 31 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep, Holly "what's that beep?", beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep, me "it's the NAS", beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep.

Logging in on the NAS::Your volume has degraded, go to Storage Manager and click Repair.
Storage Manager - Drive Manager - Hard Drives. Ah, drive number two isn't recognized anymore and runs at 130 degrees centigrade!!
Uncouples drive from NAS. Cleans NAS on the inside and outside, cleans drives. Puts drive back into the NAS. That doesn't fix things.

So later today I'll drive to Breda to spend €130,- on a new Seagate IronWolf 4TB drive to replace this one.
Tuesday I'll RMA this drive to Seagate as I still have warranty on it. I cannot wait 14 days or more for the replacement drive to come back.
It'll mean we'll have to download some stuff for tonight, as all the stuff we wanted to see tonight is on the NAS and with the array degraded, it's inaccessible. Repairing the volume will take several days, I'm sure (5.8TB of data in RAID5 form.)

Oh well.

Hope your end-of-year-day runs better. :-)
Happy New Year, all.
3215) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Install of BOINC Manager; cannot add project or account manager (Connection error) (Message 84112)
Posted 31 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Navigate to the BOINC data directory, default at c:\programdata\boinc, and remove gui_rpc_auth.cfg, then exit and restart BOINC

That will regenerate this file and reset the password in it. It should easily fix the problem as well.
3216) Message boards : Android : BOINC Android App on F-Droid (Message 84107)
Posted 30 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We (the BOINC working committee) have decided that for now the only BOINC apps we'll officially support are those for Windows, Linux, Mac OS (X) and Android (Google Play Store). None of the other apps that we have out there will be (officially) renewed, nor will we add to any other outlet.
3217) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issues with removing projects and syncing (Message 84106)
Posted 30 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
To remove projects added with an account manager, you have to remove them with the account manager as well. Only projects added without an account manager show the Remove button. If the account manager doesn't actually remove the project, you'll have to take that up with the developers of the account manager, in this case Gridcoin. Account managers are always third party, we have no say in what they do and how they tend to to things.
3218) Message boards : Questions and problems : Live Help by e-mail, voice or text not working? (Message 84105)
Posted 30 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do not get an Error 500 page, in my case all pages are just plain white. But then I have uninstalled Skype since Microsoft took over and made it a commercially crap program. Can anyone else with Skype installed try as well? And state which Windows and which browser(s) this happens in?

Thanks.
3219) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel CPU Temp (Message 84104)
Posted 30 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi G and welcome to the BOINC forums,

First off, the TCase temperature you point out is according to Intel: TCase: Case Temperature is the maximum temperature allowed at the processor Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS). TjMax for your CPU is 105C. (That's the max for most all i5 CPUs, even when it doesn't say it specifically at the Intel site anymore)

The temperatures measured by Speedfan are 'diluted'. The CPU temp you see is measured at the top of the CPU, underneath the heat sink. The core temperatures are measured at the bottom of the core dies. So these tend to be showing hotter than the 'normal' temperature. And they are well withing the maximum limit of 105C. That not all cores show the same temperature is normal as well.

What kind of cooling do you use? Any aftermarket cooler, or the stock cooler the CPU came with?
Aftermarket coolers tend to cool better, especially if you changed the cooling paste as well. Water cooling cools best.
Seeing you run at 72C, I think you do have an aftermarket cooler, as stock tends to run at 95C, but correct me if I am wrong.

I have an i5-2500K with an entry point water cooling solution (Cooler Master Seidon 120v) which in combination with Speedfan keeps my CPU under load at a max of 54C with fans at 90% maximum (it tends to be noisy when at 100%). Speedfan looks at all coolers in my case, to combine maximum airflow through the case with as little noise as possible. It works for me.

In all, your temperatures look fine.
3220) Message boards : Android : Can I also use my Kindle Fire to crunch data for Boinc projects? (Message 84100)
Posted 30 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
...because BOINC is not available in the limited app store on the Amazon devices.
Please check
https://www.amazon.com/Space-Sciences-Laboratory-U-C-Berkeley/dp/B00DCCGLAG first. This BOINC will not be updated, however.
3221) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 84084)
Posted 29 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Heather Menzies, 68, Canadian-born American actress (The Sound of Music, Logan's Run, Piranha)
Erich Kellerhals, 78, German entrepreneur (Media Markt)
Gualtiero Marchesi, 87, Italian chef and restaurateur.
Sue Grafton, 77, American author ("A" Is for Alibi, Kinsey Millhone series)
3222) Message boards : Documentation : error in ubantu download instructions (Message 84073)
Posted 28 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you haven't installed aptitude, it won't work for you. Doesn't mean that this is an error in the install instructions.
See https://superuser.com/questions/42967/on-ubuntu-why-sudo-apt-get-sometimes-and-sudo-aptitude-other-times for more information.
I am not changing the Wiki.
3223) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 84067)
Posted 28 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Splendid news: Holly has been released from hospital, we're on our way home. Next 6 months is revalidation time. Going to be hard.

She went from het 3 medicines before to 9 now. Ouch.

But as long as that means she lives longer, we don't care. :)

Now the only thing she brings extra is a cold cough. Hope she isn't contagious. But I can always put her on the balcony. ;)
3224) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 84035)
Posted 27 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have to apologize to all and Holly about my outburst. She's just bored, I can understand that. And they're not really friendly in the hospital, first telling her there's a good chance she goes home with Christmas, so when she's all geared up for that, hearing she wasn't just ripped her space-time continuum away from her and she had to pounce the nearest thing to her: me.

I should've understood that more. :)

Edit: just found Holly's tea cup where she parked it 9 days ago, on the table behind the modem & router. I made a picture of what grew inside the cup. Barely managed to keep my lunch in while cleaning it out. Gross barely covers it.
3225) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 84030)
Posted 25 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way,
It's by Roger Whittaker... if that helps
I have now taken you out of our will. No one should be subjected to that. It's like torture, but then worse. You do know these are public forums, where anyone can read?!?1/1?

I sat with Hol for an hour, but we were through talking about everything. So instead of the 3 hours I had planned to be there, I managed all of an hour.
3226) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 84028)
Posted 25 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
She will be pleased to see you :) She might even say so! ;)
No, she isn't and didn't. Not even a smile, only the grumpy face and after I showed what all I brought, a lengthy complaint about that. I walked out of the room, told her to app me when she feels more hospitable.
I'm sitting in the hallway, but don't think I will hear from her.

At home only the Back to the Future trilogy awaits me. Not looking forward to that.
3227) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 84026)
Posted 25 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Merry Christmas all.

Yesterday the doctor in the hospital said she might be going home today, if...
Today she heard she isn't, so it doesn't matter what the 'if' was. Bastard.

We were made happy with a dead sparrow (Dutch proverb: iemand blij maken met een dode mus, meaning promissing someone something great, that finally seems worthless, fobbed off)

I'll go there later with some food. And hope she'll be glad to see me. She wasn't earlier on the phone.
3228) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 84008)
Posted 23 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The news isn't good. Holly will have to stay in the hospital during Christmas, perhaps even through the new year celebrations.
All her room mates could leave, she cannot. Due to fever, side effects of the new medicines and her heart being not good enough to go two days unsupervised. it's a shame.
3229) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking leave of absence (Message 83969)
Posted 20 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am temporarily unavailable to all. My long time partner Holly suffered a heart attack this past Sunday, she's in the hospital.
Even when she's back, we'll have a long recovery path ahead of us. So I am taking a temporary leave of absence, at least until she's home and we're in a more normal rhythm.

My signature reflects the same sentiment.
The rest of the moderation knows what to do with all you unruly rabble. :)

Best,
3230) Message boards : GPUs : Only one GPU detected. Linux, Ubuntu, Nvidia (Message 83937)
Posted 18 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing to do is make sure you have "use all gpu" set if you have issues getting them all detected.
The "Use all gpus" option is not used to get your GPUs detected, not even when you have problems with detection of the GPUs.
Instead it's used to use all GPUs of the same brand but different models that BOINC has already detected, but isn't all using out of the box.

If you have problems getting any of your GPUs detected, think drivers first.
3231) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 83934)
Posted 18 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Radio Caroline news: this Friday, December 22nd, Caroline will return to the airwaves, broadcasting live from their radio ship Ross Revenge in the river Blackwater, on 648 kHz AM (band). Their licence is specifically for a service for Suffolk and North Essex, but test broadcast reception reports have shown that they can be received way further away than that.
3232) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 83903)
Posted 16 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bruce Gray, 81, Canadian actor (Traders, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Beverley Hills 90210, Chicago Hope, Medium, Melrose Place, Wings, ER)
3233) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 83895)
Posted 15 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Today I was stuck behind a Peugot Bipper. Its maker definitely didn't look up if that name was acceptable: Bipper.
A mortal human whose soul has been removed from their body; their conscious has become a ghost; and their body has been possessed by a bloodthirsty, pain-loving entity.

Uh... watch out who's delivering their packages to your door, and what they drive in! :p
3234) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83894)
Posted 15 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
FCC Votes To Repeal Net Neutrality, Throwing The Internet's Future Into Question. Your US ISP will now determine if you're allowed to run BOINC projects on your normal internet account, or if you need a special - more expensive - one. ;-)
3235) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83878)
Posted 14 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just got back from a day moving mum to her new flat. Was perusing something on the Seti forums when I noticed the message I posted.
Will now go feed the flurries.

Oh hey, welcome all!
3236) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83875)
Posted 14 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me changes the scroller to SETI@home is temporarily shut down for maintenance. Please try again later. and opens the doors and turns the tap on.
3237) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83864)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me waves as they all go away again, tear in eye. Bye all, come back soon, you hear?

:-)
3238) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83849)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
10:20 am local time. I've finished unpacking most of the moving boxes, installed the Christmas tree, washed some dishes. Seti is still down.

I'm going to hunt for coax cables and power strips and then home. Parking is hell outside the nursing home at any time between 8:30 and 16:00 anyway, so I'll go back there at 16:30
3239) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspend on Battery Mac BUG (Message 83847)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Those Macs (in Energy Saver) recognize the UPS?

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25277?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US says for Battery, Power Adapter, and UPS: You see the Battery button only if you have a portable Mac. You see the UPS button only if your Mac is connected to an uninterruptible power source.

So are these portables or desktops?
3240) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83846)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having been awake for over an hour already, I was pleasantly entertained by the raccoon. Bis bis!

And welcome, newcomers. Hope you come more. :)
3241) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83778)
Posted 11 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
One way I found to reset a keyboard, but you'll have to be nimble for it: press left CTRL, left SHIFT, left ALT, right CTRL, right SHIFT, right ALT all at the same time and hold for three seconds. That resets the keyboard buffer. (and has been since the days of good old DOS)
3242) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 83777)
Posted 11 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We had snow from 8 am till just a moment ago, it must be about 15 centimeters. A new thing started here, making a snowface with fresh snow: just put your face into a bank of 10cm snow, hold for a couple of seconds, pull out and make a photo of it. Gives a 3D effect of your face. Like so.

This stuff won't be gone tomorrow, so we just hope the movers can come close enough and not make an enormous mess of things. (btw, I'm not moving house)

Been driving in this stuff this afternoon. I have this thing, first time driving in the snow, where I drive away (in second gear!), then push the gas down so I start slipping, so I have a feel for the car. All the time thereafter I then know what's possible.

The woman in front of me should've done something like that, but no, now we drove everywhere at walking pace. If I wanted to walk, woman, I would've!
3243) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83763)
Posted 11 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless he meant he got the message when he tried to take up money and failed... (automated teller machine) ;-)
3244) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 83762)
Posted 11 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
After 10cm of snow yesterday, we had rain the rest of the day. Most of the snow was gone by nigthfall, but now it's snowing again. I see the new front is as large as Belgium and going Northwards very slowly. It's okay it all falls today, as long as tomorrow, when the house-moving is taking place it's dry (and most of the snow on the ground melted).
3245) Message boards : GPUs : Boinc using integrated Intel GPU instead of Nvidia GPU - Lenovo Y700 (Message 83748)
Posted 10 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
That does use the GPU, quite heavily, but under the CUDA (v8.0) programming environment. And no load is registered.
GPU Load cannot be compared to CPU load. Where CPU load is basically any data calculations or transport that it takes care of, GPU load depends on screen refresh rate, screen resolution, the kind of OpenCL or CUDA kernels that data has been converted to, the clock speed of the GPU, and some other things.

The load you see here is the Direct3D load, which when running CUDA or OpenCL shouldn't be used much, of course depending on which shaders the science app is optimized for.
Direct3D exposes the advanced graphics capabilities of 3D graphics hardware, including Z-buffering, W-buffering, stencil buffering, spatial anti-aliasing, alpha blending, color blending, mipmapping, texture blending, clipping, culling, atmospheric effects, perspective-correct texture mapping, programmable HLSL shaders and effects.
3246) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 83743)
Posted 10 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's snowing!
3247) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83712)
Posted 9 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I meant was that when you enter the Seti is down thread, the least you expect to find there is a whole discussion with table throwing over whose president is better, while you would expect to find that in the politics thread. So just the label is enough to tell you you'll be stepping into a potential minefield by entering that thread, whereas the Seti is down thread contains puppies, guppies and kittens.
3248) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - Windows version 7.8.2 (64) -Column Sort (Message 83705)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's where I was going next, but glad you caught on and hope it didn't do too much damage.
3249) Message boards : Questions and problems : Someone remind me.... (Message 83704)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you. :)
3250) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83700)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Buy a Bitcoin and send that over the mail? :)

(I mean, for the uninitiated, you can print out a Bitcoin and send that piece of paper over to yourself or someone else, whose only job thereafter is to painstakingly input that whole string of numbers and letters again to make it back as a digital coin, if you didn't print it as a QR code.)
3251) Message boards : Questions and problems : Someone remind me.... (Message 83696)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for that. But do you mean WCG doesn't have a link in there because it doesn't work with account managers? Or that it always was a problem with HTTPS vs HTTP?

As far as I know, AMs follow what the project wants, and while projects may use HTTPS for their websites now, that doesn't mean their scheduler contact is via HTTPS.

As for the authenticator, if you see that happening at a project, that's because David is doing away with the authenticator and setting up a new way of logging in. More about that pretty soon.
3252) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83695)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
edited: there was a missing there up there which I've put in now so there isn't. There have also been 2 other edits since - miner minor changes - but you can ignore them *SIGH* and another one - do you know what I think? I think I need to go find my life...

;)
Or your reading glasses?
3253) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83694)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
All you self-declared Brits: congratulations! Brexit: 'Breakthrough' deal paves way for future trade talks (watch out, auto-playing video there, even for us non-Brits)

The UK's estimated divorce bill will be between £35bn and £39bn
Ouch. Richard, don't give it all away to the Americans! :)

edit: Nigel F. having his say about it. But who's he to complain? He instigated Brexit and then turned and ran.
3254) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83690)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
For future references:
Jord:
You're doing a great job in a difficult and thankless role.
Please keep it up.
I ignore emails from wackos.
(and I doubt that Stuart Bale even knows what BOINC is).

(I wonder if that means that David will now get complaints about him not reading the previous complaints)
3255) Message boards : Questions and problems : Someone remind me.... (Message 83689)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who can tell me why we can't link to World Community Grid from users' account pages, where it shows links to all the projects that user participates in. For example: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=7803901

Was this because WCG always used HTTPS and the other projects didn't?
Or is it because WCG uses the user name as the unique identifier, and the other projects use the email address as the unique identifier?
Or does it have another reason?

I asked BOINC and WCG admins, but haven't received an answer yet.
3256) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83686)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've had it with the threats against me. Not sure what he was thinking, apparently he was not.
If you can't behave, just go away to a place where they'll condone your behaviour.
3257) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83678)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
perhaps we shouldn't be having a politics thread at all on an international science board, anyone thought of that?
If we don't have a specific thread for it, politics will be posted about in any other thread available, because people do need to post about it. So then better have a thread for it.

And no, I don't believe anyone here saying they can do without this thread, because inevitably someone will post something that is better off in a clarified minefield thread such as this one.
3258) Message boards : Questions and problems : Compile Client Problem 'undefined reference to' (Webview Problem) (Message 83648)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm trying to compile the Boinc client
Under what? Windows, Linux, other?
Did you start at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient?
3259) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 83647)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Johnny Hallyday, 74, French rock & roll singer (France's 'Elvis Presley')
3260) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - Windows version 7.8.2 (64) -Column Sort (Message 83646)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since you cannot download Firefox either, this isn't a problem with the BOINC web site but more of a problem with your Windows/Internet Explorer.
I'd say, try deleting your temporary internet files and try again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/260897/how-to-delete-the-contents-of-the-temporary-internet-files-folder
3261) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83635)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think the difference is in reading, between Sir and sir. Where 'Sir' with the capital can irritate, 'sir' with a lower cap 's' should not, unless you're a woman or other gender.

edit: always forget the signature
3262) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Fall Update wiped BOINC (Message 83628)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There used to be an option which could be put in the cc_config.xml... something like data_dir to tell BOINC where you wanted the client to look, but it's gone from the manual, nothing to even have historical reference. Suspected this is now in the Windows registry
The data_dir option in cc_confog.xml was there for BOINC 5, with partial overlap for BOINC 6.

BOINC 5 would by default put everything, BOINC programs and project files and folders, into the same directory. There were situations where you wanted to splice this into a programs directory and a data directory, so you could use this option for that. From BOINC 6 onwards, the BOINC programs and data directories were already separate, with both their paths saved in the registry.

This was removed in BOINC 7.4.24 (change log)
client: remove <data_dir> option from cc_config.xml
This leads to confusion; e.g. if you do "read config files" it will look for cc_config.xml in the new directory, not find it, and set default options. Also, log files end up in old directory. Also, gui_rpc_auth.cfg will be in new directory, and the Manager won't look there.
3263) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspend on Battery Mac BUG (Message 83625)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want a developer to take a look at it, you'll have to update to at least 7.8.4, and see if it's reproducible, because the version you use is no longer in development.
3264) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83621)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Islamist suicide plot to assassinate Prime Minister Theresa May foiled
Essentially police believe that the plan was to launch some sort of improvised explosive device at Downing Street and in the ensuing chaos attack and kill Theresa May, the Prime Minister.
3265) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - Windows version 7.8.2 (64) -Column Sort (Message 83605)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Open Internet Explorer->Settings->Internet Options->Security->select Internet->Custom level...->scroll down to Downloads and make sure File Downloads is set to Enabled->OK. (Although that should give you a warning in IE if this is set to disabled and you try to download something.)

But that's why I asked, can you download any other executables?
Can you download BOINC when you use this link: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.8.3_windows_x86_64.exe? Or if you have 32bit Windows 7, this link https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.8.3_windows_intelx86.exe?

For testing purposes, can you download Firefox from https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/?
3266) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - Windows version 7.8.2 (64) -Column Sort (Message 83598)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
And where are you downloading from? Work, home, behind a firewall? Can you download any other executables?

My internet explorer 11 has no problems downloading the BOINC installer (the one on the right on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php). You do need to check that it's stating what you want to do in the lower bottom part of the browser, Run or Save.
3267) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - Windows version 7.8.2 (64) -Column Sort (Message 83593)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
And your question has what to do with the topic you posted it in?
But let's say, for the convenience of everyone that we'll just allow any question to be dumped in any thread, no matter where on the forum, then we'd still need information, like:

- where are you trying to download from?
- with which browser?
- for which operating system?
3268) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83591)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What about the people that post the bait in the first place do they get off scot free?
Like you did with regard to Sirius? Well, continue and find out.
3269) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83578)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with allowing all public critique is that neither of you know where and when to stop. You're like fire and brimstone, when one says something, the other needs to react. It's impossible for either of you to let it go and react to someone else. And that on a continuous basis. Which is where the moderation then has to step in.

So, us moderators have talked among each other and come up with a plan, which goes into motion 30 seconds after I post this.
If you do not want to be part of that plan, you'll decide not to take any bait whatsoever ever again.
If you do want to be part of the plan, you can find out what it beholds by continuing as you were.
3270) Message boards : Questions and problems : Silent operation issue. (Message 83495)
Posted 3 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can check the progress of the machines from the project's website. If any throw errors, then you'll have to go there, or log in remotely to see why it does that.
In the case of Mac's, I'm not sure if it can run with just the client. I'd say, test that out locally first, if you have the possibility.
3271) Message boards : Questions and problems : Silent operation issue. (Message 83491)
Posted 3 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Solution: run only the client (boinc.exe), not the manager (boincmgr.exe). Then you won't have any pop-ups or notices or balloons or bubbles.
Under Windows, the client can be run from the command line using <code>"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach_console</code>.
The quotes are needed when BOINC is installed in any of the Program Files directories or another directory with a space in the name. The 'detach_console' attribute closes the command line window but keeps BOINC running.
3272) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83488)
Posted 3 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Scaremongering. It's because the USA does it. After years of no problems, it's all of a sudden throwing out anything that even sounds slightly Russian. Kaspersky was the AV of choice for US government computers for years with no problems, but Russia must be the new bad, and so all the vassal states should follow suit. It's a new round of 'searching for the commies between the bed sheets'.

Meanwhilst, these countries have no problems importing all the other stuff from Russia: Russian main exports are energy (oil and petroleum products, gas, coal), rolled steel, ferrous and nonferrous metals and minerals. The greater part of Russian exports belongs to oil and petroleum products. Other leading exports are natural gas, timber, fertilizers, machinery and equipment, armaments. The foreign countries receive from Russia over 300 million tons of oil and approximately 250 billion cubic meters of gas.

A big percentage of natural gas used in the UK comes from Russia. Putin is the king of OPEC, and with that Russia dictates how much oil is pumped up and what you pay for all your energy.

I doubt you'll shut down your central heating tonight to protest these Russian influences into your home. Or stop running your computers until you have invested into and placed enough solar cells and windmills onto and around your house, so they can take over. So why the scaremongering about the antivirus product then?

As said, the manner in which it talks to home is exactly the same with any of the other products out there. And with that, any of the other governments can have influence onto the software, or the data it brings back.

January 1st here in The Netherlands the government starts its massive gathering of all data (telephone, internet). If they suspect some person of anything they don't like, they can then listen in on and hack anyone that they want who lives in the same neighborhood as that person. They store just everything they can get their hands on, so that they can at a later date search through all that data for proof of misconduct. All this data is of course stored for 3 years. A secret DNA data bank will be established in which they'll store the DNA of anyone they can get the DNA of, including that of unsuspecting civilians. Data and DNA gathered may be shared with foreign intelligence agencies without impunity.

The reason? Terrorism. We haven't had any terrorism yet, but to make sure that they'll be able to catch these scary terrorists before they act, everyone's got to suffer.
How many terrorists have been caught in the UK before they did their thing, because of the bulk data gathering? (funny, another David Anderson)

But the potential of a couple of scary Russians checking to see what's on your system is bad, huh? Dream on.
3273) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83456)
Posted 2 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
For it to work, anti-virus software like that sold by Kaspersky Labs requires extensive access to files on computers and networks to scan for malicious code.
It also requires the ability to communicate back to the company in order to receive updates and share data on what it finds.
However, the concern is that this could be used by the Russian state for espionage.
This is what all antivirus products do, as else they cannot find new baddies in the world and react to that.

So let's see whose government you're otherwise giving data to:
Tencent is China, BitDefender is Romanian, Avast is from the Czech Republic, Avira and GDATA are German, AVG is Dutch, Trend Micro is Japanese, Bullguard and Comodo are British, Checkpoint is Israeli, ESET is Slovakian. Their governments are as likely to spy on friends and foes alike as Russia or China.
PC Matic, Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Defender, McAfee, Norton, Fortinet, Webroot and Vipre are all based in the USA.

I pay for my licenses because I did an intensive search for a good AV two years ago and found that the free ones are one year on top, the next they're at the bottom of the pile. That depends on the review as well, one review will put them top, the other bottom. But Kaspersky and Bitdefender are always on top.

The free ones will also add telemetry so they can spam you with all kinds of advertisements. They're slow, they're having a high impact on the system, probably because of all the snooping they do on your system and they certainly don't always catch everything that's out there on the bad interwebs.
Do know that you don't have to go to weird or naughty websites anymore, a page that sprouts advertisements that are infected and can inject code onto your system, is enough. Not too long ago here in the Netherlands some 200 legitimate websites were showing ads like that, because some group had hacked the advertisement server.

As the last ransomware (Wannacry) round showed, an update to your software can include the bad stuff.
Having an a day-out-date version of Flash on your system may be reason to be vulnerable.

The free AV versions will never have up to date virus definitions, they're always one or two days behind. At least with a paid license you have 4 or more updates per day.
The free AV versions only scan after the fact, you cannot set restrictions to files and folders (edit: you can probably exclude files and folders, but you cannot set restrictions on the files and folders that an external source cannot change the files/folders), or have them scan in real time. When they do scan in real time, they'll put a burden on your system, because they want you to pay for their paid-for package that doesn't have that burden.

So, what did 2 years Kaspersky cost me? A license for 5 computers for 2 years: 34 euros.
The license for Bitdefender, also 2 years, 3 computers: 30 euros.
3274) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83440)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your AV sounds a bit like Bitdefender. I have BD on one of my systems and since it updated itself to v2018 it's started to demand that I reboot every couple of days. Sometimes even three times a day. It's getting frustrating to start the system and be met by a message that we need to reboot immediately upon logging in because BD needs it for an update. My other system has Kaspersky, it never asks me to reboot for updates. So guess what will happen when BitDefender's license runs out in 2 months time? Yep... no more that crap on that system, it'll receive a new license from Kaspersky as well.

I emailed Bitdefender about it with a complaint, they thought I wanted help on getting this fixed. Uhm nope, my decision's already been made.
3275) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83418)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's "I know it better than you, I don't like your answers, I demand to be heard by the project staff" day over at Seti, it seems. I do hope none of those come here.
Such behaviour becomes a specator sport when you sort them out ;-)
Well, I'll have to apologize to Bernie, as I didn't see her go at that same thing in the News thread until after I'd answered her in the Wish List thread, he'd locked the thread and I'd PM'ed him about that.

But you will be in trouble if she does come here... I'm about sure, you are the only one to answer her from here on out. ;-)
3276) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83412)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti is on Twitter?
Ugh.
3277) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83408)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's "I know it better than you, I don't like your answers, I demand to be heard by the project staff" day over at Seti, it seems. I do hope none of those come here.
3278) Message boards : BOINC client : Usage Limits while Computer in Use (Message 83394)
Posted 30 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is about the oldest request for BOINC: Issue #41: differentiate between number of CPUs to use in idle and busy mode. No time line when it will be added. If you know of a programmer who can do it, ask them.
3279) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI@HOME and GUP and CPU units (Message 83390)
Posted 29 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your account -> project preferences -> edit preferences -> uncheck "Use CPU" -> save preferences.
In the case of Seti, that's here: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project

Any work still in cache for the CPU will run its course, but new work for the CPU will not be asked for.
3280) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83375)
Posted 29 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Per Richard Haselgrove
Déjà vu! Or an echo on the line. 4 seconds between you two, I'll forgive you.
3281) Message boards : Server programs : StopForumSpam Replacement (Message 83337)
Posted 28 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Using Stopforumspam.com gives us less traffic on the servers, and certainly less spammers leaving everything they can. Just look at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev//top_users.php, a lot of those are spammers, they just can't leave their crap anymore because they're blocked from doing so. But even then, some manage to get through:

We have had a human spammer on these forums the past 14 days, they would easily circumvent all of your options given, because:
1 - Email validation. Any fake email could be entered to sign up for a BOINC project. There's to validation email sent before the account could be used. Email creation and validation link clicking could be automated by spammers as well so there of course needs to be more.
Spammers can use real email addresses as well, easily registered under their own spam business. So validating email addresses doesn't work in this, and wouldn't have worked against the human spammer taking it out in these forums.

2 - Captcha phrases/image identication. Some of these can be a pain to read. Click images of street signs, cars or type in the letters. ETc, etc. Even the SFS forum as one where chooses images of female characters and I had to study the images as they were subtle feminine differences.
Since it was a human spammer, they'd easily pass captcha's. Even then, captcha's can be circumvented by automated spammers as well. As can tokens. As can a lot of other options.

3 - Google's 'I am not a robot' mouse click. Not sure how that works but if it's good enough for Google there's a good chance it does its job.
Human spammer. He can get through this.

The present fix is holding the spammer back, until he figures out what we've done. Then he'll be back. In this very forum as well, as that was one of his favorites to put his stuff in, every hour.

I personally don't really see the need to use a VPN on projects or these forums, as what data you exchange with them and us isn't going to be of such a nature that it needs end-to-end encryption.
3282) Message boards : BOINC client : Message: Task postponed: Suspicious pulse results (Message 83331)
Posted 28 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm running 7.8.4 which I had heard was supposed to address this message
I know where the confusion comes from: me.
At the time, in the Seti forums, I was helping a person called 'listener' with this problem, when I found that all Macs with BOINC 7.8.x with an AMD Compute Engine and High Sierra showed the memory on that CE in negative form. That's when I informed the developer of that and he released a new version of BOINC that fixed that, 7.8.4

Since the Task postponed: Suspicious pulse results message coincided with the release of a newer science application that caused the end of reports for Task postponed: CL file build failure, I thought that maybe these two were part of the same problem (the negative memory and the suspicious pulse results). Therefore I asked 'listener' to look if 7.8.4 fixed this problem. It did not. He still had that, intermittently.

However, these messages only show at times, but the tasks that have them seem to finish fine.
Although some do exit with the 'too many exits' error. That's the ones we need to look into, and know the application for.
3283) Message boards : Questions and problems : Post counts (Message 83328)
Posted 28 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you started this thread, your post count was 2999, now it's 3006.
message 83312 was your post in The Lounge at the time.

Since most of your posts since have been made in The Lounge, and your post count is going up, I take it it's that's solved?
3284) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83264)
Posted 27 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
But the BOINC app is fine, I swear... :)
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/24/staggering-variety-of-clandestine-trackers-found-in-popular-android-apps/

Exodus security researchers identified 44 trackers in more than 300 apps for Google’s Android smartphone operating system. The apps, collectively, have been downloaded billions of times. Yale Privacy Lab, within the university’s law school, is working to replicate the Exodus findings and has already released reports on 25 of the trackers.

Yale Privacy Lab researchers have only been able to analyze Android apps, but believe many of the trackers also exist on iOS, since companies often distribute for both platforms.
3285) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83262)
Posted 27 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I remember when dead chickens came packaged with their feet, and fish always came with their eyes and their heads.
Blame the consumer society on that, as they demand that everything is pre-cleaned and easy to use, preferably dropable into a microwave and Ping!
3286) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 83253)
Posted 26 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
How can it be we survived for all these years without this key knowledge?
How can it be mankind survived for so long?
Why do we need all these scare stories all of a sudden?

Don’t eat food if a fly lands on it, as they carry more dangerous bacteria than previously thought, warn scientists

Most picnickers would brush away flies from food, thinking nothing of bugs briefly landing on their sandwiches.
But a new study suggests the insects carry far more dangerous bacteria than previously thought, meaning sandwiches are best avoided if they have been contaminated by flies.
Researchers at Penn State Eberly College of Science in the United States found that common houseflies carry salmonella, e-coli and even bacteria which lead to stomach ulcers and deadly sepsis.


Tsk.
Now you know why there's so much hunger in Africa: they throw out all the food because flies landed on it... These researchers definitely haven't walked the markets there, where flies land on all the foodstuffs before they're sold!

Question of the week: what do you do now when a fly lands on your hand? Chop it off? Burn it?
3287) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is Microsoft OneDrive compatible? (Message 83247)
Posted 26 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're a bit limited in your information giving.
3288) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83156)
Posted 23 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
He's gone again. This time with Dutch wishes of wellbeing. ;-)
3289) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 83147)
Posted 22 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can I go to bed now, or is that pathetic unmentionable going to continue to try to put his spam down? It's not a very bright spammer. Not a bot either, but a real human. Just one with no more than 2 brain cells in the right order, else he'd given up already. He must believe all his crap is still on the server, but it ain't. I delete all that, gone, out of the database. Really a silly twat.
3290) Message boards : Questions and problems : Password stopped working (Message 83140)
Posted 22 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
For projects you can use the "forgot password" link on a log in (if need be, log out to get that option), or add get_passwd.php to the end of the URL, for instance https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_passwd.php and use the first option to get a temp login link sent to your email address (the one you used to register with at that project). Then you can change or reset your password.

If you never registered for these forums, you won't have had an account. An account here isn't necessary to be able to run BOINC. These forums are separate from any project, projects normally have their own forums.

If you want help with the technical problem, please give more information. See this thread for hints.
Apropos, we have spam bots on the forums that read threads. Please edit your post and take out those email addresses. I cannot edit your post for you. You have one hour after posting your message to edit the post.
3291) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 83122)
Posted 22 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Cassidy, 67, American actor and singer (The Partridge Family)
3292) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83109)
Posted 21 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hibernation, under the bed.
3293) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 83104)
Posted 21 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You did check all around and under the bed, to make sure it wasn't there? :)
3294) Message boards : Documentation : Thread on thoughts on BOINC (Message 83079)
Posted 21 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It was becoming a haven for Knut to spam me in with his walls-of-text, so I locked it. You can make your own thread on the subject.
3295) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 83070)
Posted 20 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charles Manson, 83
3296) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 83040)
Posted 18 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Malcolm Young, 64, Australian guitarist and one of the founders of AC/DC.
Azzedine Alaïa, 77, French couturier.
3297) Message boards : Server programs : ZIP Input files (Message 83022)
Posted 17 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You did read https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/FileCompression?
3298) Message boards : BOINC client : Stop wasting computer time (Message 83020)
Posted 17 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
But yes, a client side option to always abort tasks that are overdue, started or not, would allow those who worry about this fringe waste to stop these.
That would mean that for some projects with very large tasks (like ClimatePrediction.net) good work is wasted because BOINC will abort work still being worked on, but over a deadline. CPDN is one of the projects that don't really have a deadline, where all returned work, whether it was crunched in a month or in a year, is still viable and will get credit.
3299) Message boards : BOINC client : Stop wasting computer time (Message 83015)
Posted 17 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC already does this, at each start-up and just prior to the start of each task. It may run tasks that have started already that are past deadline to the end, but any other non-started task past the deadline it will auto-abort. All other tasks close to their deadline will be run in EDF (Earliest Deadline First) mode, which if they are with many, may cause some of them to be over their deadline by the time they're finished.

Want to see how BOINC does that? Enable the rr_simulation flag in the Event Log Options (in the Options menu).
3300) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 82997)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
House Democrats start impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump

North Korea 'sentences Trump to death' for insulting Kim Jong-un
3301) Message boards : Questions and problems : File system error. (Message 82996)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
SSDs can also have bad sectors.
3302) Message boards : Projects : Quake-Catcher Network - really not user-friendly, produces errors and prohibits to use the forums to get help (Message 82991)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then do not post in the Number Crunching forum, but in one of the Help Desk forums. They don't require credit or RAC > 1. All the forums in Platform-specific problems and General issues allow posting without credit or RAC.

Projects have their top forums protected, with the requirement that people have credit/RAC, to make sure only active people post there and more specifically that spammers don't post in those top forums. But as said, the lower forums are available.
3303) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc ends in error on new PC (Message 82990)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager is the graphical user interface, so that you can easier control the underlying client that does most all the work. It's this client (boinc.exe) that shows in your event ID.

If we want to debug this, we need a lot more information.
Check When requesting help on these forums for the absolute minimum.
But when saying 'new PC', it would be nice to know what that new PC consist of. What kind of cooling does it have? Is the PSU adequate?

Also check in stderrdae.txt in the BOINC data directory (default at C;\Programdata\BOINC, it's a hidden directory, so just drop the path into Windows Explorer) if there's any more information there about this crash. Check from the bottom of that log file.
3304) Message boards : Questions and problems : File system error. (Message 82989)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doing a search on File System error "-65535" I found this thread with a lot of people running Windows 8/8.1 with the exact same problem. It's a Windows error.

You may want to try the option to install BOINC with running as administrator. Although what you first best do is check the properties of the hard drive you try to save to, Tools->Error-checking->check both "Automatically fix file system errors" and "Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors"->Start.
This will most probably tell you that it cannot do that without rebooting, so allow your computer to reboot, and on the next bit do NOT press any key to stop the disk check, but allow it to run. This can take quite some time, depending on the size of the hard drive, the speed thereof and how many problems it has.
3305) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any known problems with OSX 10.13 APFS? (Message 82988)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Additional questions and remarks:

- Why did the Event Log say "Running CPU benchmarks" so many times?
- How long did you wait for the Manager to come up after rebooting? (On his Macs, it takes several minutes after a reboot before the Manager becomes usable.)
- What do you mean by saying the projects were not progressing?
- What exactly did you see that makes you come to that conclusion?
- The system uses a lot of CPU after a major upgrade, sometimes for many hours, as it indexes the entire disk for search functions. Might this have exceeded the "suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25%"?
- Was BOINC suspended for some other reason (like due to the setting in the Activity menu, or because the computer was in use)?

You have omitted part of the event log, so we can't see what happened after running benchmarks.
You said that "I reinstalled and it allowed me to add projects to work on" so apparently BOINC Manager was running before he restarted the computer. It makes no sense that it would run before but not after the restart, unless there was a permissions problem; in that case the manager should have displayed an alert saying so.

Lastly, as long as you're the only one reporting this problem, it is highly unlikely it has anything to do with the new file system.
3306) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver is always blank on Windows 10 64-bit (Message 82975)
Posted 15 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti's screen saver/graphics only work on CPU tasks. Their GPU science applications don't come with a graphics application.
3307) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 82970)
Posted 14 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The anti-spam script has gotten a kick in the behind and is running again. Hopefully it'll catch some of the spammers in the act before they post on the forums.
Thanks co-moderators for keeping things clean around here.
3308) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 82968)
Posted 14 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lost your voice and it's now croakingly back?
3309) Message boards : The Lounge : You couldn't make it up (but some did) (Message 82957)
Posted 14 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another kilt. :)
3310) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any known problems with OSX 10.13 APFS? (Message 82950)
Posted 14 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer answered:
I searched Google for:
> Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'

and found many reports saying they saw that in the console log. At least some of them say they are not using the new Apple File System, such as:
> https://www.scootersoftware.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?15966-macOS-High-Sierra-10-13-Beta-problems&p=55557#post55557 which says:
> Same problem, not related to APFS because I chose not to upgrade the file system. Currently running 10.13 17A291m.
>
> default 10:33:03.787610 -0700 BCompare /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-95/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:50: Error: unsupported compressor 8
> default 10:33:03.787661 -0700 BCompare /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-95/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'

The files named in these console log entries are part of the OS, not part of BOINC. In my experience, it is not unusual to have errors reported in the Mac's console log that are caused by bugs in the OS and don't seem to be associated with any problems that affect users. But I don't mean to imply that errors reported in the console log never point to real problems in user software.

He further asks if you could check with Activity monitor to see if the client is running when the manager seems to hang. BOINC consists of two main parts, the client (doing all the scheduling, caching and difficult hooha) and the manager (which allows you to control the client via a graphical user interface). We'd like to see what the client (called boinc or boinc-client) does when the manager hangs at adding Einstein.

Also, Einstein's tasks can be quite big, it can be that BOINC is just downloading a long task. That you please check on that as well.
3311) Message boards : The Lounge : You couldn't make it up (but some did) (Message 82943)
Posted 14 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a statute of limitations upon the number one has accumulated? ;-)
I haven't decided yet, and think that depends on how well everyone can behave from here on in. I did the cleanup in the forums - and the added counting of posts - since my warning to everyone that the attacks should stop. I suppose all read that warning. But everyone quickly forgot and continued in their downwards spiral.

So I feel that if I set a limit to the numbers we already have, that you may all forget again.
One thing though, just to hustle things up, I think I may have to go for a magical number of the day that changes per day. So it won't be that any of you with a number out there can just attack to count 4 and sit on it, 'na na'ing' to others. 4 may be the magical number of the day. 2 may be the magical number of the day. A nice random number between 1 and 5.

I'll write me a randomizer.
3312) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any known problems with OSX 10.13 APFS? (Message 82936)
Posted 13 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the developer.
3313) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver is always blank on Windows 10 64-bit (Message 82910)
Posted 12 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects do you run, and is this on the CPU or GPU or both?
3314) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 82895)
Posted 11 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know Eric is busy with some things on the server, trying to catch hosts in the act on the Internal Server Error 500 message, because the server does not log that....
3315) Message boards : Questions and problems : Negative amount of GPU VRAM and valid Einstein results discarded (Message 82892)
Posted 10 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.8.4 has been released through the normal channels to fix this problem.
3316) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 82891)
Posted 10 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably trying to fix the server errors and lack of work going out.
3317) Message boards : The Lounge : You couldn't make it up (but some did) (Message 82888)
Posted 10 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The past 40 minutes I have been trawling through the top 10 threads, removing all derogatory, veiled, overt, hidden, coded attacks on others.
5 is the magical number of the day.
See 5 in your post removal emails? That means one week vacation.
See 10? Two weeks.
See 15 or more? Four weeks.

Seen any number, but you're still here? Then be warned, it's to stop here. As I have also seen all of you can have perfectly fine discussions without having to flame each other out of the house. All attacks on others stop now. The moderators know your numbers. Are any more attacks seen, we'll just continue counting.
3318) Message boards : The Lounge : You couldn't make it up (but some did) (Message 82874)
Posted 10 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
'Embarrassing' car insurance photo gaffe shared online
When Alyssa Stringfellow from Arkansas, US, tried to get insured on her grandmother's car it seems she got a bit mixed up by the details requested. Instead of sending pictures of her car, Alyssa sent the insurers side and front photos of herself.

The 25-year-old teacher was left red-faced when the insurer contacted her by email to point out the mistake. "I am going to need pictures like you just took, except it needs to be of your vehicle," it read.

Alyssa then described how the mix-up unfolded when her grandmother told her about the details the insurers had requested. "She said he would need my driver's licence number, my date of birth, and a picture straight on and a picture taken from each side. She gave me his email address and I emailed the information along with the pictures that night," She explained.
3319) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 82868)
Posted 10 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
John Hillerman, 84, American actor (Jonathan Higgins in Magnum P.I.)
3320) Message boards : Questions and problems : Negative amount of GPU VRAM and valid Einstein results discarded (Message 82863)
Posted 9 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, never mind that. I have found the same problem while researching something else at Seti. Also a lot of AMD Compute Engines, with 4 or 8GB of memory. They all report zero GB. Have forwarded it to the developer.
3321) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc problem on Mac Sierra (10.12.6) - Project is temporarily unavailable (Message 82851)
Posted 9 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You posted the same thing at Seti@Home where some questions were asked. You never answered those questions.
3322) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 82841)
Posted 9 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
and holds the car on the footbrake.
I hate those guys in front of me. I only have a foot pressing down on the clutch, nothing else.
Especially with the new LED lights, and there being three of them in all cars, at night you're blinding the person behind you with those bright red lights. Can't look behind either because there are bright white lights blinding you. Be a little less insecure and just use no brake, or if you feel the car go forwards or backwards, the handbrake.
3323) Message boards : Questions and problems : Negative amount of GPU VRAM and valid Einstein results discarded (Message 82840)
Posted 9 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think we'll need to see the messages from BOINC 7.8.3 (Command+Shift+E) after it has started up.
Perhaps that you can find older ones in your stdoutdae.txt/stdoutdae.old files in the data directory, else reinstall 7.8.3 and give those to us. They don't show in the thread you link to, there it shows a different log. The first 40 lines or so will do.
3324) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows close/minimize/maximize buttons are gone after upgrading to macOS 10.13.1 High Sierra (Message 82839)
Posted 9 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer suggests you do:
1. Uninstall BOINC
2. Download the 7.8.3 installer again from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
3. Install that BOINC.

This to make sure no previous parts of the application, nor the installer you have, are corrupt in any way.
If you still have the problem after this, report back.
3325) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows close/minimize/maximize buttons are gone after upgrading to macOS 10.13.1 High Sierra (Message 82822)
Posted 9 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to the developer:
on OS 10.13, if you click the green maximize button and it enlarges the window so it occupies the entire screen, the title bar with those buttons will disappear, as will the menubar. You must move the mouse to the very top of the screen to get the buttons to reappear, then press the green button again.
3326) Message boards : GPUs : Application doesnt use missing NVIDIA GPU msg after installing Boinc 7.8.3 (Message 82810)
Posted 8 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
After the problem showed up I installed the latest driver from NVIDEA it did not fix the problem.
From where?

11/8/2017 10:41:48 AM CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 780 (driver version 388.13, CUDA version 9.1, compute capability 3.5, 3072MB, 2528MB available, 4576 GFLOPS peak)
11/8/2017 10:41:48 AM App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it
It looks as if Windows installed the driver, because you only have the CUDA component installed, not the OpenCL component. Both are in the drivers. But only when you install the drivers from the Nvidia website, not if you allow Windows 10 to update the driver. Microsoft tends to leave components out of the driver, if they feel it makes them unstable or them being a direct competitor to their own components (OpenGL -> DirectX, OpenCL -> DirectCompute)

Download from the Nvidia website and use the Clean Install option in the installer to install the Nvidia drivers clean. Also make sure Windows Update cannot update your drivers.
3327) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 82786)
Posted 8 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
For when your country doesn't have enough 'special days' of its own, add ones from abroad. Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singles%27_Day
Because having https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Martin%27s_Day on that day isn't celebratory enough.
Or that it's the start of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival (at 11:11 am)
3328) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.3 released (Message 82733)
Posted 7 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like it has been reported for the previous version here: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11896
All of BOINC 7.8 versions will have it, until the projects update their graphics applications. And that can take a while, depending on if they have someone who can do it.
3329) Message boards : Questions and problems : Optimum number of threads on an i7 (Message 82732)
Posted 7 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best ask that on the Primegrid forums as they'll know best how it works with CPU -> RAM usage.
3330) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory problem with AmicalNumbers... (Message 82731)
Posted 7 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best report problems with the project (applications) at the project itself. We have no say in that.
3331) Message boards : Questions and problems : UTF-8 & scandic characters (Message 82730)
Posted 7 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I can find in the source code is that both the web site and BOINC Manager are already UTF-8 enabled, and have been since 2009.They're escaped in XML files, though.
Ref: this entry: MGR: Accept Unicode input for usernames and password in the manager now that the manager is Unicode enabled. Input will show up as UTF-8 strings in the CC and projects. Fixes #452
And this entry:
various components: fix inconsistencies in how user names and team names are represented. In particular, edit_user_info_action.php was using htmlentities() on names; this led to double-encoding.

The new rules:
1) no HTML tags allowed in either one. This is enforced silently, using strip_tags()
2) names are stored in the DB exactly as entered. They may contain chars like & and >.
They may contain non-ASCII characters (use UTF-8 if you want them displayed correctly). None of these are not escaped.
3) When the names are put in XML (e.g. in scheduler reply or db_dump output) they are XML-escaped. This escapes <, &, and non-ASCII chars
4) The client leaves them in this form, and writes them that way in GUI RPCs and init_data.xml files.
5) The parsing of GUI RPC replies and init_data.xml files XML-unescapes them.
3332) Message boards : The Lounge : You couldn't make it up (but some did) (Message 82709)
Posted 6 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If someone like Richard can get their email hacked it just shows you how careful you have to be these days.
Just password protection isn't safe anymore. Two Factor Authentication is, where you'll be sent a second form of authentication next to your username & password, before you're allowed to log in. The second thing sent is usually sent to your phone.

Most of my passwords are now 15 characters long and more. Consisting of not just letters and numbers, but other characters as well. And then there are sites (usually banks!) that still don't allow more than 8 characters and only allow letters and numbers. As soon as I come to such sites, I don't register anymore, but instead write them a complaint mail.

Just one password is only 5 characters long: my Hotmail account (and thus Windows Live login).
Here I am waiting when Microsoft is going to tell me my password is inadequate. Thus far they haven't.
3333) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 82708)
Posted 6 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi David,

A little something that's come up via the BOINC forums.
Answer from David is that as long as you don't link to porn or violence, that it's allowed for now.
3334) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 82603)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no difference between you and me, Chris. I don't post images or links to commercial outings where possible. If something needs an image, I do research if the image is copyrighted, and will always try to copy it to another place (like imgur) before linking from there. A picture speaks a thousand words. If driving down the freeway at speed, and on the side of the road you see a big image of a car, or you see a sign showing 17 sentences, what registers easier? The picture of course. Same here.

And now we are not allowed to mention Intel, Dell, or Nvidia either
Where did I say that? I know my English can be not what you are used to at times, but I never said anything like that. Quite the opposite even:
If you want to mention your brand whisky or whiskey, go ahead. That to me is the same as mentioning your computer's innards, from CPU, motherboard to GPU etc.


In any case, here's what I wrote to David a moment ago:
Hi David,

A little something that's come up via the BOINC forums. Chris S posted an image to a whisky, that he linked directly from a commercial website and may hold copyright. What am I to do with things like that, may we need a new rule on this?

I'm keeping in mind the thing Eric told us about, about the lawyers summoning him to remove a copyrighted image from a user's post from three years ago.
I have for now told everyone that I allow mentioning of a brand, but no direct linking to it or images to it. If I am not allowing mentioning the brand either, I'll have to delete all posts with a BOINC startup message log, as that'll mention CPU brand + model and GPU brand + model.

I did explain that posting an image of the thing you talk about is like a commercial outing. That may be okay, but only as long as the image isn't copyrighted and isn't linked directly off of the website that it was originally on - or the image server linked to that.

What do you think?
Something for boinc_dev and/or an Issue?
3335) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 82601)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dear Chris, if you want to complain about me to David, do so and stop threatening me about it. That's getting quite old.

Since you so nicely copied part of my post, you'll notice I did not put a link to any Suzuki page in my mentioning of that crap car. I did not post a picture of it. Since lots of images can be seen as direct commercial outings, I asked that we keep those to a minimum, preferably not shown at all. If you want to mention your brand whisky or whiskey, go ahead. That to me is the same as mentioning your computer's innards, from CPU, motherboard to GPU etc.

Edit: I also see you used a direct link to the image, which may hold copyright. I will now have to ask David what to do about that, considering that Eric K. @Seti has had to delete copyrighted images in a user's post of three years back, after a couple of lawyers summoned him to do so, or pay up for copyright infringement. I do feel we need a more stringent rule book for this.
3336) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 82598)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The screams will be so loud down the Channel Tunnel, you'll hear them in Amsterdam :-)
She may have the personality of a tiny teen, but that doesn't make her look less pretty and cute from a photo. There's a lot of very nice photo's of her out there on the Interwebs. We can dream, can't we? :)
3337) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 82597)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know I have asked this before, but please, can we not post links, images etc. to commercial outings? (No commercial advertisements.)
3338) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC OS Beta announcement (Message 82596)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which hardware is this for? Intel/AMD 32 bit (intel_x86), 64bit (x64) or ARM?
You may want to specify that before people try to put it onto a USB stick and run it from a device that isn't supported.
3339) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 82576)
Posted 3 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The past week my car had to go to the garage because each time I fill her up with gasoline, there is a gasoline stink on the inside for hours, even after driving with the windows open. It's good we don't smoke anymore...
Anyway, while my car was in the garage, I got a replacement car. A Suzuki Ignis. A nice little motor, as Mike Brewer would say. Although as with all cars of these days, the seats are on a raise, so I don't see any traffic lights anymore unless I'm the fourth car in the queue(!)

At 3pm I got the call I didn't want to get: the remedy they were going for had to wait a day, because a part had to be ordered. So the 4pm hospital visit Holly had planned had to be done with the replacement car. But okay, we drove over, no problem. The brake and clutch on this car were a bit troublesome, had to press them deep for them to work, but okay, I managed it. Even got it up to 130 kph.

On the way back though, we drove into a bit of traffic and all of a sudden a LOUD BEEP, plus the electronic dashboard lit up red, it said something on there in English, but since I was driving and traffic was closing in I had to put my attention there. A second LOUD BEEP, more red lit dashboard and then, while I was already back on the right (empty) lane, the car braked automatically! What the...?

The next day when I returned the loan car to the garage and picked my own car up, I of course asked them what that was.
That, apparently, is a newfangled doohickey that is required by law on all cars now sold in the EU in 2017. It's a radar that's always on, that keeps check of traffic conditions in front of you. The beep is to tell you that there's something happening ahead of you that requires your immediate attention. You will get the warning twice and if you don't react, the car will brake automatically!

I told them that a loud beep plus info on the dashboard isn't something you'd want if you're to be reminded to get your attention on the road - and not on your smart phone, DVD, woman or whatever people do behind the wheel these days. I don't want it. And besides, who is driving the car, me or the car? I always try to leave 2 seconds between me and the car in front of me, but that's not easy when traffic density gets high at points, or when people just push their car in that nice hole you made in front of you. So what? This car will then brake every time? F. that.

Nope, it cannot be turned off.
It's required on every car sold in the EU since January 2017.
It's ludicrous.
Not a needful thing!

Edit: although the one thing I did like a lot was the parking camera, that showed everything behind you as soon as you'd put her in reverse. That I could live with. :)
3340) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 82574)
Posted 3 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
She's cute. :)
3341) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Problem - Puts Monitors to sleep, doesn't wake. (Message 82561)
Posted 3 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't use your GPU. A project's GPU science application uses your GPU, so questions like these are best asked at the project.
I see that you have already done so, and by checking your system(s) there, I can't find any in your list of computers that have a GTX 1070, only a GTX 770.
It looks like your old hostID was discontinued and a new one made, so you have all new work for it. But that system hasn't been running any work on the GPU either since the 28th of October.

Now, in Windows Power Options you can set to not turn off the monitor, have you tried that already?
3342) Message boards : Questions and problems : Will Ubuntu Boinc client will run on ARM CPU? (Message 82554)
Posted 3 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Someone told me on Free-DC they've run *buntu on Pi although they didn't mention if they ran BOINC.
There is a BOINC specifically for the Pi: https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-boinc/. That can probably also run on other Linux systems with an ARM CPU, although you'll first have to get it.
3343) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.8.3 not resuming under Kubuntu 17.10 (Message 82553)
Posted 3 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the Linux Release Manager.
3344) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 82523)
Posted 2 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is a red dwarf star, I don't think those change over time into yellow stars. (but then, I didn't read all of the Wiki page)
3345) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 82519)
Posted 2 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
One more planet we can scratch off our list of potentials for life: NGTS-1b. It is interesting in different ways, though.

The planet, known as NGTS-1b, is the size of Jupiter. But it orbits around a red dwarf star that’s only half the size of our sun.
Scientists not only didn’t predict that such a massive planet would be able to orbit such a small star, but it contradicts some of the predictions at the heart of their understanding of how planets form.
3346) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC OS Beta announcement (Message 82515)
Posted 2 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi, welcome to the BOINC forums and thank you up front for the work you've done.

Some questions though, if you don't mind:
1. If it's included, which BOINC version is it using?
2. Will BOINC be updated?
3. Will the OS be updated?
4. What do you mean with tools to perform volunteer computing with BOINC as well as many more additional features?
5. Is this a Gridcoin initiative?
3347) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 82496)
Posted 1 Nov 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just when you thought you could trust things on the internet, Nvidia shows the output of its Generative Adversarial Network (GAN): generating fake celebrities. It doesn't have sound or music. Just jaw-dropping rendered images.
3348) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 82476)
Posted 31 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are you people still doing over here? Over there is back.
3349) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 82444)
Posted 31 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4806751/adolf-hitler-may-survived-world-war-2-colombia-cia/
I'm not even going to try to say anything...
3350) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 82441)
Posted 31 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Vampires are out, zomboids are all the rage.
3351) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 82414)
Posted 30 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can the personal attacks, please stop? Want to have a discussion about one's goal to do science? Fine, but you can do so without having to attack the other party on a personal basis.
3352) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.3 released (Message 82362)
Posted 29 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the problem you reference is "BOINC.msi cannot be found, or similar, then do know that this is a Windows error. It's Windows that forgets where it placed the BOINC.msi installation file that it needs to uninstall the previous version. In this BOINC FAQ are several steps that can remedy the problem. I suggest you start with step 2, use the Microsoft uninstall utility.
3353) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Solved] BOINC 7.8.3 allows new tasks to all projects unexpectedly (Message 82286)
Posted 27 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the last update 7.8.3, Boinc automatically allows new tasks to all projects, almost every day. I have to turn "no new tasks"
It works for me, and I just tested a French BOINC Manager, so that ain't it. It's also only the GUI that runs in French, so I would be very surprised if that changed anything in your data directory.
So you say that every day you have to run "no new tasks" back on because it forgets you did that? In that case I'd check permissions on the data directory, that the account you're running BOINC with is in the group allowed to make changes to files therein.

NB : it seems task units do not have same power consumsion. I switch Computing Preference (% of CPUs and CPU time) to keep temperature below 70°C (158°F). With GPUGRID workunit automatically turned on, it rise to ~74°C (165,2°F). I guess it's not a big deal for few hours, just to say this bug have a side effect on temperature and power consumsion
BOINC doesn't check power consumption or temperatures. It doesn't have those functions built in.
So there's no bug going on when you set a certain percentage of CPU and CPU Time and the temperature gets above a value you want your system to run.

For that you better look at external programs, such as Speedfan, through which you can set maximum temperatures and the amount of fan speed that needs to be used to get these temperatures. Mind that running work on your GPU (like GPUGrid does) will heat things up a lot more than just running work on the CPU, and running work both on the CPU and GPU will heat things up even more. Still, none of those are monitored by BOINC. [/url]
3354) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.6.33 and 7.8.2 windows 10 x86 64 PROBLEMS (Message 82285)
Posted 27 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check in Windows Event Viewer what possible error message boinc.exe gets when it exits.
Or check in stderrdae.txt in your data directory.
Or check in stdoutdae.txt in your data directory.

You did check that you got the correct BOINC version in?
I mean, if you ran 32bit before, that you now have 32bit again, or if you ran 64bit before that you now have 64bit again?
For instance, Windows does not allow 64bit programs to run from the 32bit C:\Program Files (x86)\ folder, although it may allow them to install there...
3355) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost multi-GPU BOINC capability with Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Message 82187)
Posted 23 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nexus Value 430 purchased August 2010.
That's an entry level PSU, it doesn't even have an over power protection (OPP) circuit. I wouldn't put two GPUs against that if these require to run flat out 24/7.

The 970 uses 145W and recommends a 500W PSU.
The 750 TI uses 60W and recommends a 300W PSU.
The 1050 uses 75W and recommends a 300W PSU.

Using this PSU calculator (on Expert), I get to 373W with the 1050 + 750 and 411W with the 970 + 750.
While the first may not be out of power, the second one almost is and that's worrisome.

A new Seasonic 550W won't set you back 80 bucks on Amazon. I'd try that before anything else.
3356) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 82184)
Posted 23 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:

London is a more beautiful city than London.

Uhuh. :)
3357) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 82182)
Posted 23 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosemary Leach, 81, English actress (A Room with a View, The Roads to Freedom, The Plague Dogs)
Nol Hendriks, 80, Dutch businessman and football executive (Roda JC)
Al Hurricane, 81, American singer and songwriter
3358) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 82181)
Posted 23 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm guys... people???!?!?!
It’s not women who get pregnant — it’s ‘people’
Call expectant mothers 'pregnant people', the Government suggests

The government has said the term “pregnant woman” should not be used in a UN treaty because it “excludes” transgender people.
“A large majority of people that have been pregnant or have given birth identify as women. We can include intersex men and trans men who may get pregnant by saying ‘pregnant people’ instead of ‘expectant mothers’.”

That stupid politically correctness of yours can go too far as well, you know?
3359) Message boards : Questions and problems : I am not a smart phone! (Message 82169)
Posted 23 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which browser do you use when going to the BOINC download page?
3360) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 82162)
Posted 22 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Laurence Field, Linux release manager for BOINC wrote:
The BOINC client v7.8.3 is available for testing on Linux

For Debian/Ubuntu

sudo apt-add-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install boinc-manager

For Fedora/RedHat/CentOS

sudo dnf config-manager --set-enable updates-testing
sudo dnf install boinc-manager

Test reports can be sent to the alpha testing project and bugs can be reported to the Fedora or Debian bug trackers respectively.

Regards,

Laurence


Steffen Moeller wrote:
kind of :)

For the regular user of Debian-derived distros, "sudo apt-get install boinc" is the way to go. No extras.

boinc-manager is the GUI for controlling local or remote clients.
boinc-client is the client with the boinccmd command line.

to install both in one go there is the aforementioned third package (consisting only of dependencies to boinc-manager and boinc-client) with the name "boinc".

Both Debian and Ubuntu have BOINC packages shipping as regular parts of their distribution since version 5.2.15 in March 2006. This is some freaking 12 years, see http://snapshot.debian.org/package/boinc/. Mint also takes it from there. The PPA (personal package archive) of Gianfranco is a neat extra service for those aiming at running the very latest very early but do not run the latest version of the distribution (where does this guy get all the energy from? Ubuntu Artful is on 7.8.3,
Zesty still on 7.6.33, but later backports to the earlier versions of Ubuntu are to be expected). The same Gianfranco (and sometimes also I) do for the backports.debian.org. It is all in perfect shape as seen on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/boinc. As TarotApprentice had pointed out, this needs an extra flag to apt-get like -t stretch-backports to be
installed instead of the sufficiently recent of Debian stable.

The number of Debian installations are mostly invariant at https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=boinc. The Ubuntu PopCon is a bit more tedious to read - 45204 installations are reported from those who installed the popularity-contest package. No idea about the other Debian derivatives.

OpenSuSE has https://software.opensuse.org/package/boinc-client but is still at 7.2.42.
For arch I found https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/BOINC and https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=boinc but they are still at 7.6.33. I have no contact to either of those maintainers but would only be worried for the also RPM-based SuSE community.

I very much agree that a distribution-agnostic self-extracting static version makes perfect sense until those distributions are also covered. However, I would rather work on finding volunteer packagers for those platforms than to work on the .sea for those who do not want to compile the very latest versions themselves. archlinux likely only needs a friendly email informing the maintainers that the 7.8.3 can now be trusted.

Cheers,

Steffen
3361) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost multi-GPU BOINC capability with Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Message 82140)
Posted 21 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No one touched this yet, but what make and model PSU do you use?
And how old is it?
3362) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost multi-GPU BOINC capability with Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Message 82102)
Posted 19 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment, since all of GPU-Z, HWiNFO, and the Windows Control Panel device list show the GTX 1050, and BOINC seems not to see it, I'm inclined to regard this is at least in part a BOINC problem, and not necessarily a purely Microsoft or Nvidia problem.
Okay, so as every time that Microsoft updates their operating system, the day after that people flock to the BOINC or project forums with missing items that BOINC should fix, because Microsoft updated their operating system... see where I am going with this?

Before you updated Windows, everything was working fine, all your GPUs were recognized.
After you updated Windows, everything is not working fine, not all your GPUs are recognized.
How is that a BOINC problem then? Did BOINC update as well at the same time as your Windows did?

The last time Microsoft updated Windows, it caused the Seti screen saver not to work anymore as it should have. Eventually Microsoft came out with a fix for this. It was their bug.
Yes, it's possible that BOINC's method of detecting the GPUs is causing friction with Windows method of showing multiple GPUs, perhaps that their Augmented Reality addition is causing this, or cannot work with all GPUs, or I don't know.

To report bugs to Microsoft, you can use the Feedback Hub app. This does require a Microsoft Live Account or Facebook login.

You can also enable the coproc_debug flag in Advanced View->Options->Event Log Options, exit & restart BOINC and then post the log of that. Perhaps that it shows what happens with the missing GPU. Also know that 99% of problems with the detection of GPUs is due to (bad) drivers. That an older GPU is detected fine with newer drivers says nothing in this.
3363) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can BOINC run on my old iMac G3? (Message 82098)
Posted 19 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can download BOINC 7.2.42 from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php and run that. That is the maximum version you can install on OS X 10.4
3364) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost multi-GPU BOINC capability with Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Message 82097)
Posted 19 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your given log says something different:
10/18/2017 4:59:58 PM |  | app version refers to missing GPU type intel_gpu
10/18/2017 4:59:58 PM | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing intel_gpu GPU

If you don't want to use the Intel GPU then don't select it in the Project preferences, at Einstein at https://einsteinathome.org/account/prefs/project

Adding Intel chipset drivers, or in the least making sure that the correct ones are installed, increases the way all parts of your motherboard interact with the operating system, so I would certainly try it. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/

Last for my part for now, what does Microsoft say about it? You have reported it to them as well, haven't you?
3365) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost multi-GPU BOINC capability with Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (Message 82091)
Posted 19 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The one thing I saw was a missing Intel GPU complaint, so advice is to reinstall the Intel (motherboard chipset) drivers as well. I read yesterday someplace that there are new ones with support for this version of Windows. Have to check later where I saw that, when my desktop computer has started, am now answering via my phone.

Edit: ah no, they were in the WPA2 break context.
3366) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 82087)
Posted 18 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gord Downie, 53, Canadian front man The Tragically Hip
3367) Message boards : GPUs : ATI HD4650 opencl support (Message 82080)
Posted 18 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Work related questions are best asked at the project forums, as that's where the project application developers live and post.

If you have RAC > 1 you could post in the Number Crunching forum, but seeing your account @Seti you do not. So then post in their GPU Applications forum. Whoever helps you out there (may be me) can then always ask one of the developers to come take a look.

Although I highly suspect it is the age of the GPU, and it not being able to run the correct workgroup size - which is 128 for your GPU and needs to be, if I am not mistaken, 256 or more. You cannot increase the workgroup size without replacing the hardware.
Added to that, the BLC Guppi tasks at Seti take up more memory than the 'normal' Multibeam, it may be that the 512MB on the card is just not enough. Having returned to an earlier BOINC version, you also returned to the earlier non-informative messages. In later BOINC versions it shows why the work is postponed. [/url]
3368) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win7 Enterprise SP1 64-bit - latest BOINC causing screen freezes (Message 82078)
Posted 18 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here you go: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.36_windows_x86_64.exe
3369) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win7 Enterprise SP1 64-bit - latest BOINC causing screen freezes (Message 82075)
Posted 18 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If stdoutdae.txt doesn't show it anymore (this file stores the output of the event log, but is by default just 2MB), stdoutdae.old may hold the older version still.
If neither of these show the previous version, then Windows Event Viewer may show it.

Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer->Windows Logs->Select Application, now click the Action menu (top) and then Find..
Type boinc and hit Enter. Just keep pressing F3 until you're at an event before the date you installed the newer BOINC.
3370) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 7.8.2 bug in properties projects (Message 82074)
Posted 18 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
After I reported the issue in BOINC github, the developers have looked into it and fixed the problem.
I have gotten the correct language file from the translation manager and tested it with BOINC 7.8.3 and I can no longer reproduce the problem.

You can do so too:
Download BOINC-Manager.mo from my Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/on76f82uxx5r69p/BOINC-Manager.mo?dl=0
If BOINC is running, do File->Exit and at least exit BOINC Manager.
Navigate to your BOINC Programs directory, default at C:\Program Files\BOINC\
Open the locale folder
Open the es folder
Copy the BOINC-Manager.mo file from my Dropbox into this folder, click Yes to overwrite the previous file.
Now restart BOINC Manager
Options
Other options
Change the language to Spanish
Selecting any project in the Projects tab and then clicking Properties will now show the properties.
3371) Message boards : Questions and problems : Will Ubuntu Boinc client will run on ARM CPU? (Message 82054)
Posted 17 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, the Linux BOINC clients are all built for Intel/AMD x86 and x64 CPUs. But if you want to be sure, you can contact Gianfranco about it on his BOINC PPA page. He is the official BOINC package maintainer for Ubuntu/Debian.
3372) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 82048)
Posted 17 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting red sun in the UK yesterday
We had that one today. Apparently there wasn't a cloud in the sky, but it felt overcast all day long. A combination of Sahara sand and ash from Portugal's forest fires. Very apocalyptic.
3373) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 82024)
Posted 16 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
AmigaForever wrote:
@ Ageless: Thanks a lot for still putting effort into the BOINC community. It would by far not be what it is without you. Thanks m8!
Even though I am a C64 fan? ;-)
3374) Message boards : Questions and problems : Downloading Work from Server (Message 82022)
Posted 16 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post the first 40 or so lines from the Event Log for us?
And anything else that may be of use, see this thread for pointers.
3375) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 82015)
Posted 16 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sean Hughes, 51, Irish comedian, actor and writer (team captain Never Mind the Buzzcocks)
3376) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 7.8.2 bug in properties projects (Message 82014)
Posted 16 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The upcoming BOINC 7.8.3 version will not have a bug fix for this problem, it's even possible that future versions have this problem as well. As far as we can figure at this time, it's a missing character in one of the variables that's causing this. But more problems have been found with the Spanish translation, it may even be required that the whole Spanish translation needs to be checked and (re)done.

If you think you can do it, you can make an account at Transifex and translate BOINC into Spanish.
If you're waiting for someone else to do it, it may take longer, or even never get done.
3377) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 82008)
Posted 15 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
intelx86 = x86 32 BIT version... for OLDER versions of Windows like XP or VISTA that are 32 BIT installs
Even Windows 10 still comes in 32bit flavor. Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 have all been available in both 32 and 64 bits. It mainly depends on what CPU you have installed, for example the ARMv7 which is 32bit tech and can install Windows.
3378) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 82002)
Posted 15 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just heard on the radio, Morrissey's new song Spent the day in bed.
Looking at the lyrics, it's not as down as you'd normally expect of Morrissey songs.
3379) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about CPU cores & problem with GPU (Message 82001)
Posted 15 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Touché. Multithread it is then.
3380) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about CPU cores & problem with GPU (Message 81999)
Posted 15 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. I see that BOINC is running 1 task per 1 core, I'd like it to use all cores per task, what should I do?
Find a project that has multitasking multithreading applications, else it's quite normal for each CPU core to run one task.

2. How jobs size at grcpool is calculated, can I change job size?
I don't know what you're talking about. Best ask at Gridcoin's forums.

3. There is an option to collect money from BOINC-users and rent supercomputer instead of buying home-level rigs and paying bills for electricity (or even renting clouds personally). Would it be more cost&time effective?
Also, I don't know what you're talking about. Where is this option to collect money from BOINC-users? Who collects it? If you, isn't that a scam, when other BOINC-users pay you for running work via your account on external computers?

Problem: my Radeon x1150 driver version is 8.282.2.1 but "No usable GPUs found"
Your Xpress 1150 is a graphics card, not a general purpose graphics processing unit. In other words, all it can do is calculate the graphics and output those.
3381) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81993)
Posted 14 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hold on to your hats, Irish & English people, there's going to be a big whoosh coming. Her name is Ophelia. Her wrath may be violent.

@The Penguins, send all your (canned) fish to them.
3382) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 81989)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I must say, I got that number from the Dutch translation I read first. And thought that a cubic kilometer is already quite a bit. But apparently, according to some other articles, it can blow 1,000 cubic kilometers, which is nothing because it's storing 11,200 cubic miles of magma... My conversion program doesn't even have a cubic mile, but that doesn't matter anymore. It's way too much. ;-)
3383) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 81985)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think it matters much. When that thing blows, it'll eject one cubic kilometer of rocks and ash. I suppose if you're on top of it when it does, that you won't know about it.
3384) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 81979)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ne'er a trouble, M'Lady. :)
3385) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 81977)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
AFAIK, it's all already on. It is in mine and I never touched those settings.
3386) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 81975)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're all going to die, again. Yellowstone Supervolcano May Rumble to Life Faster Than Thought

A new study of ancient ash suggests that the dormant giant could develop the conditions needed to blow in a span of mere decades.

If the supervolcano underneath Yellowstone erupts again, we may have far less advance warning time than we thought.
After analyzing minerals in fossilized ash from the most recent mega-eruption, researchers at Arizona State University think the supervolcano last woke up after two influxes of fresh magma flowed into the reservoir below the caldera.
And in an unsettling twist, the minerals revealed that the critical changes in temperature and composition built up in a matter of decades. Until now, geologists had thought it would take centuries for the supervolcano to make that transition.

A 2013 study, for instance, showed that the magma reservoir that feeds the supervolcano is about two and a half times larger than previous estimates. Scientists also think the reservoir is drained after every monster blast, so they thought it should take a long time to refill. Based on the new study, it seems the magma can rapidly refresh—making the volcano potentially explosive in the geologic blink of an eye.
“It’s shocking how little time is required to take a volcanic system from being quiet and sitting there to the edge of an eruption,” study co-author Hannah Shamloo told the New York Times.
3387) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question (Message 81971)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I can find, you're stuck on Windows 10 or any Linux with kernel 4.8 and above, because of the CPU (e.g. Ubuntu 16.10).
And for that CPU, you may want to check if it's cooled adequately to do what you want it to, because although Intel says it's fine to run these CPUs at 93C continuously, I wouldn't be so sure. And since that's only with a stress test, so temporarily spiked at that heat, whereas Seti for instance will throw that heat out in a sustained manner, I'd also be looking at better cooling. Which may negate the use of the NUC.
3388) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation errors on Android client after ROM update (Message 81969)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Android 7.0
There is the problem. Seti's science applications only work up to Android 6, not on any above due to Google changing some key libraries. The Seti developer is aware of the situation, but has no fix yet. Nothing you can do, other than not crunch Seti, but instead perhaps another project (although, ask them first if their apps are Android 7 compliant).
3389) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes immediately at startup (macOS 10.12.6) (Message 81948)
Posted 11 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
People still coming across this problem, there's a simpler solution for your problem: update to BOINC 7.8.3, which will be recommended any day now, but until that time can be downloaded from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
3390) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 7.8.2 bug in properties projects (Message 81927)
Posted 10 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Registered as critical in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/2165
3391) Message boards : Server programs : How many task(slots directories)would be generated when i have only one work_unit and only one client computer? (Message 81925)
Posted 10 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the minimum quorum you set in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/JobIn.
Normally one task per slot directory, one task per work unit. Two tasks when you validate tasks against each other, but I think that you cannot run both tasks on the same computer without some database hacking.
3392) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81908)
Posted 10 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
A tad later, but it's down now.
3393) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81907)
Posted 10 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:

for if you're also getting sick of those who demand apologies and payments for things their forefathers did or were done to
3394) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Could not open directory 'slots' from '/home/user'" (Message 81883)
Posted 9 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seeing how your data directory is missing, I'd guess this is a permissions problem. So either reinstall BOINC to try to fix the permissions, or follow what this person did to fix that.
3395) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes immediately at startup (macOS 10.12.6) (Message 81838)
Posted 6 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
All that information - and more - is also available in Pull Request 2149
3396) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 81831)
Posted 6 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
The 7.8.3 client is now being tested.
This is a release candidate, so please test soon and thoroughly.

The changes since 7.8.2.:

- fixed bug where slot directories aren't cleaned out
- fixed possible buffer overflow when a task fails with
lots of file transfer failures
- fixed bug involving repeated account manager requests every 10 sec

The Mac version includes changes that will enable the screensaver
to work with Mac OS 10.13.
This will require projects to rebuild their graphics apps.
I believe that SETI@home plans to do this in the next few days.

Thanks -- David
Record your tests at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/index.php
Report bugs on the BOINCAlpha email list.
3397) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 81802)
Posted 4 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.8.3 available for testing for Windows and Mac.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.8.2 -> 7.8.3

  • client: extensions, fixes to account manager functionality
  • client: eliminate possible buffer overflow in reporting result errors
  • lib: fix boinc_file_exists() on Windows
  • Mac: Changes to Xcode project to support screensaver changes for Mac OS 10.13.
  • Screensaver: Changes for screensaver to support Mac OS 10.13
  • api: BOINC graphics library changes to support Mac OS 10.13
  • client library: inconsistent terminology for intel_gpu
  • update project list
  • Locale: Update french localization files
  • update installshield files



Available installers:

Windows 7.8.3
- boinc_7.8.3_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.8.3_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.1.26 included
- boinc_7.8.3_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.8.3_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.8.3
- boinc_7.8.3_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.8.3_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.8.3_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

3398) Message boards : Questions and problems : No VM Tasks: BOINC 7.8.2 / VirtualBox 5.1.28 / Win8.1 (Message 81734)
Posted 3 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://help.getpassages.com/customer/portal/articles/1902554 shows how to check that in VirtualBox itself.
3399) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81732)
Posted 3 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
People, please stop posting how to make explosives on these forums.
3400) Message boards : Questions and problems : No VM Tasks: BOINC 7.8.2 / VirtualBox 5.1.28 / Win8.1 (Message 81719)
Posted 3 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can get the 'priority' messages by enabling the <code>cpu_sched_debug</code> or <code>sched_op_debug</code> flags. I forget which exactly.
sched_op_debug will at least show how much work is asked and for which resource.
3401) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81715)
Posted 3 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
How do they know what you watch online and how long you do so?
Time for a VPN?
3402) Message boards : Questions and problems : No VM Tasks: BOINC 7.8.2 / VirtualBox 5.1.28 / Win8.1 (Message 81714)
Posted 3 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that's the message from DENIS.

His messages for that project are:
03.10.2017 12:30:09 | lhcathome-dev | update requested by user
03.10.2017 12:30:31 | lhcathome-dev | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
03.10.2017 12:30:31 | lhcathome-dev | Requesting new tasks for CPU
03.10.2017 12:30:32 | lhcathome-dev | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
03.10.2017 12:30:32 | lhcathome-dev | No tasks sent

Why that that is, I don't know. Might be a REC thing, where other projects have more priority to get new work.
Or perhaps the project is out of work, but that's best asked at the project.
3403) Message boards : Questions and problems : BUG REPORT: 100%CPU usage ofboinc.exe when --no_gui_rpc switch specified (Message 81705)
Posted 3 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/2151
3404) Message boards : The Lounge : Discussion thread for These are no longer with us, may they have peace (Message 81699)
Posted 2 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
On Tom Petty:
Tom Petty, the rocker best known as the frontman of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, is clinging to life in a Los Angeles hospital, according to TMZ. An earlier LAPD report which confirmed the singer's death, and which CBS reported, has since been clarified.

The legendary musician suffered a full cardiac arrest and was found unconscious and not breathing in his Malibu home Sunday night. He was taken to UCLA Santa Monica Hospital and put on life support, reports TMZ.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lapd-clarifies-cannot-confirm-tom-petty-death/
3405) Message boards : Questions and problems : BUG REPORT: 100%CPU usage ofboinc.exe when --no_gui_rpc switch specified (Message 81698)
Posted 2 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David found what ailed this and is putting a fix into a PR.
3406) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - Windows version 7.8.2 (64) -Column Sort (Message 81696)
Posted 2 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Click on any column header on Projects and Tasks Tabs, and nothing happens.
Works fine for me.
BOINC 7.8.2 on Windows 7 64x.
3407) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects: "... needs more disk space. You currently have 0.00 MB available" [Linux] (Message 81695)
Posted 2 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you post the contents of global_prefs.xml for me, and if it exists, the contents of global_prefs_override.xml as well?
3408) Message boards : Questions and problems : BUG REPORT: 100%CPU usage ofboinc.exe when --no_gui_rpc switch specified (Message 81685)
Posted 2 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
And
It was added when manager and client were separate, otherwise there would have been no GUI RPC.

It's necessary for security-conscious users. GUI RPC is a potential security vulnerability.

I've put it in Github: Issue #2150
3409) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81681)
Posted 2 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I suspect, because they don't stack themselves, no matter how long you wait. I earlier did the dishes and just did the drying off and storing, because it refused to do so itself, even though I waited for 3 hours between them.
3410) Message boards : Questions and problems : BUG REPORT: 100%CPU usage ofboinc.exe when --no_gui_rpc switch specified (Message 81674)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
He pointed me to the checkin notes 2005, same date, same message. Plus said that a client doesn't need GUI RPCs to do computing.. There. If it's broken, I don't think there's going to be a fix made for it. Easier to remove the option, because anyone can run the client on its own these days - which they couldn't when this option was added for BOINC 4.71 -- Oh my, anyone remember that version? :)
3411) Message boards : Questions and problems : BUG REPORT: 100%CPU usage ofboinc.exe when --no_gui_rpc switch specified (Message 81672)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
With the --no_gui_rpc switch you're telling the BOINC client not to send out any remote procedure calls, aka it's not communicating with anything out there (BOINC Manager, boinccmd, the screen saver, remotely controlled BOINC, any of the projects that support communications by RPC, etc.)
It's essentially deaf, mute and stupid.

I've tried finding when the option was added and what it was for, but apparently it happened before I switched to gmail, and I didn't retain the emails from the previous ISP. So that makes searching a little more troublesome. I've now asked David about it. Let's see what he comes up with.
3412) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Client crashes on startup (Message 81671)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you're running CPDN as well, see this thread for cause and solution.
3413) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac Update Download link not working (Message 81670)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
This was fixed a couple of days ago.
3414) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Android App; Task stuck at 100% (Message 81669)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apps continuing to run after hitting 100% may be because the science application isn't done yet. Best first ask about that at the project you got the problem with: WCG Android forums.
3415) Message boards : Questions and problems : Loss of Project Web Pages access (Message 81668)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like a firewall problem, or anti virus stopping things in their tracks. Do you still have the problem?
3416) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81662)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another way to look at things there:

The lies of the Catalan regional premier
In a democracy, leaders cannot tell untruths with impunity

(Yes, that may be ElPais, but the arguments in the article are good ones.)
3417) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Trivial issue I noticed. (Message 81658)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Surely, reporting at the same time as uploading would reduce the number of contacts since the contact has already been made to upload the result.
It's two different systems. Uploading doesn't use the scheduler, but is merely a transfer of data from your computer's hard drive to a hard drive on the upload server.
Reporting uses scheduler, which checks what you're trying to do, then points to the database server where it's reported which task(s) you've finished, and can do checks such as whether all the tasks you were sent in the past are still there - and if not, and the project has this enabled, resent the lost tasks.

These scheduler contacts can at the same time request work, because that also uses the database server, as the work has to be registered against your account. The download server then transfers data from its hard drive to your hard drive, same as with an upload.
3418) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Screensaver information for OS 10.13 High Sierra (Message 81655)
Posted 1 Oct 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
Apple has made a security change in OS 10.13 High Sierra (released last Monday) which breaks BOINC project screensavers. I have developed a fix for this problem, but unfortunately it will require that projects relink their Macintosh graphics apps with a new graphics library and distribute the updated.

Current graphics apps will still work from the "Show graphics" button in BOINC Manager, even under OS 10.13. They just won't be visible in the screensaver.
The BOINC side fix will be in 7.8.3+, but the projects will have to rebuilt their applications in order for this fix to work.
For a lot more highly technical information on this, see this Github page.
3419) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Trivial issue I noticed. (Message 81651)
Posted 30 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I disagree, as then everyone turns it on and the amount of scheduler contacts increases by thousands of times over how it's done now. Remember that the projects rather have that you contact their scheduler server with a load of tasks to report, rather than every time a task is ready to report, because it severely cuts down in the amount of contacts their server has to do in a minute. The overhead on the server (use of CPU, RAM, hard drive etc.) is the same between reporting 100 tasks and 1 task, but where 100 single reports take that overhead, the project rather has to use that overhead once for those 100 tasks.
3420) Message boards : GPUs : ATI HD4650 opencl support (Message 81635)
Posted 29 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably via the Add/Remove Programs menu.
3421) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 81625)
Posted 28 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows 7.8.2
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.1.26 included
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.8.2
- boinc_7.8.2_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.8.2_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.8.2_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
3422) Message boards : GPUs : ATI HD4650 opencl support (Message 81616)
Posted 28 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
ATI HD4650 is opencl 1.0 compatible.
No, it has OpenCL 1.0 beta support at best. And isn't very fast by today's standards. You can also only use it on one or two projects where the requirements aren't that high, and even then you're burning quite a lot of electricity for not much output.

In any case, when BOINC cannot detect OpenCL, it's due to the drivers that you use.
You can use Catalyst version 11.12 at minimum and 12.1 at maximum, after that OpenCL support is deprecated from the drivers for Windows XP.
I do see you're using 12.1 already. If any other videocard was installed in this system before you put this one in, its drivers or remnants thereof can interfere. Fully uninstalling drivers, then running a cleaning tool (like Display Driver Uninstall) before rebooting and installing the videocard drivers again, then rebooting again. That may help.

But perhaps it's cheaper to look for a different videocard with a more powerful GPU. Depends on whether that motherboard has a PCIe slot.
3423) Message boards : GPUs : Help with Boinc and AMD R9 s80x on Ubuntu 16.10 (Message 81614)
Posted 28 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know that with ubutnu 16.04 it is difficult to get a driver for AMD cards especially the R9 280X ones.
Make that impossible. Or at least, not from AMD, as they cut support for anything less than an R9 Fury/R9 300 series from their drivers for Ubuntu 16.04
In which case you can look for Open Source drivers. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD for more on that.
Else you'll have to return to the previous Ubuntu (15.04) for support from AMD.
3424) Message boards : Projects : European detector spots its first gravitational wave (Message 81607)
Posted 27 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since Einstein@Home hasn't got this news (yet): http://www.nature.com/news/european-detector-spots-its-first-gravitational-wave-1.22690

Physicists have announced their fourth-ever detection of gravitational waves, and the first such discovery made together by observatories in Europe and the United States.

The Virgo observatory near Pisa, Italy, has been hunting for ripples in the fabric of space-time since 2007. But it was being upgraded at the time of the historic first detection of gravitational waves by the twin laboratories of Virgo’s US cousin, the Advanced Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO), and was also out of action for two subsequent sightings.

Virgo rejoined the hunt this year on 1 August, following a 5-year, €23-million (US$27-million) upgrade. And on 14 August, both it and LIGO picked up the spiral of a pair of rotating black holes, with masses of 31 and 25 times that of the Sun, as they merged together, physicists announced on 27 September at a press conference in Turin, Italy. The collision happened around 540 million parsecs (1.8 billion light years) away.
3425) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81560)
Posted 24 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What the European Commission found out about copyright infringement but ‘forgot’ to tell us
Does copyright infringement negatively affect legal sales? This is a fundamental question with profound implications on the way copyright and copyright enforcement policy should work.

In January 2014, the European Commission awarded the Dutch company Ecorys a contract worth €360.000 to conduct a study on the question.

The 300-page study was delivered to the Commission in May 2015, but was never published. Until today – I have managed to get access to a copy: Estimating displacement rates of copyrighted content in the EU (PDF)

The study’s conclusion: With the exception of recently released blockbusters, there is no evidence to support the idea that online copyright infringement displaces sales. While this result is not unique, but consistent with previous studies, it begs the question:

Why did the Commission, after having spent a significant amount of money on it, choose not to publish this study for almost two years?


/me looks for a good VPN nonetheless.
Edit: and no, that's not reason enough for any of you to link me to them. I have Google, I can find my own way across the interwebs.
3426) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.6.33 and 7.8.2 windows 10 x86 64 PROBLEMS (Message 81553)
Posted 23 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.8.2 : not launching boinc.exe : list of project empty when doing "add project"
I lost all my work and projects (no big deal)
Doubtful you lost all work, but when the client (boinc.exe) doesn't start, BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) won't be able to show you any of that.

then I tried to install back boinc 7.6.33
now I get the list of projects populated but all project say : Failed to add project, please try again later, Click Finish to close. (that after entering password) All projects say that.

Did you uninstall 7.8.2?
Did you change the data directory's path?
When you go with Windows Explorer to C:\Programdata\BOINC, can you tell me what's there?
No need to get a complete list of files, but are there for instance account_*.xml files for the projects you mention?
Did you use an account manager (BAM! or GridRepublic) on the previous installation?
3427) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 7.8.2 bug in properties projects (Message 81552)
Posted 23 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows 10 has a separate data directory as well. By default it lives at C:\Programdata\BOINC\ and is a hidden directory. An uninstall of BOINC doesn't touch this directory or any files therein. Unless you specified a different directory and had the older BOINC install to the default directory, that's then when work gets lost. It isn't lost, it's just in a different directory your BOINC isn't looking into.
3428) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 7.8.2 bug in properties projects (Message 81549)
Posted 23 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have uninstalled everything. I've lost all the work I've been running.
Even in Windows XP there's a separate data directory which means you can uninstall BOINC and not lose any of the work in progress. Unless you told the BOINC installer to look elsewhere for the data directory.

I tried it in VMWare with a clean windows and it makes the same error: it does not show the properties of the projects and closes the BOINC window and the system icon although it continues running. Therefore, it is not due to a windows in corrupt state.
Seeing the amount of work you've done to try to reproduce the problem, why not become an alpha tester? There's at the moment 1 person testing for Windows XP. That may not be enough to find all problems with BOINC in that operating system.

I'll forward your report to our localization specialist, as I don't see how a different language can make BOINC Manager crash. Thanks for that though
3429) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81540)
Posted 22 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess you'll have to go look for a real cab again in London, or else use the public transport: Uber London loses licence to operate
3430) Message boards : GPUs : When requesting help on these forums (Message 81539)
Posted 22 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome to the BOINC forums.

When you have problems with BOINC, please tell the volunteers on these forums what that problem is. We understand that you see your problem, you've lived with it for some time now, and you're urging for a quick solution. Not every problem is easily fixed from a small bit of information. It can even be quite difficult for any of the helping crew to help you when you do not give any information about what you actually see.

Therefore please always be so kind to give as much as possible of the following information:

  • Which BOINC version you run (See Help->About BOINC in BOINC Manager). We'd just like the version number, please: for instance v7.8.2
  • What your problem is exactly, write it out in as much detail as you can.
  • What you have done so far to try to remedy the problem.
  • If applicable, the project(s) that you have the problems with and if they have multiple applications, which ones give you problems.
  • Post the first 40 - 100 lines from your BOINC Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), including it showing what your BOINC is doing, which project tasks it is running.
  • In case the log doesn't show this, please give us:
    • the CPU brand and model
    • the GPU brand and model
    • the driver version(s) you have installed
    • the operating system that you use



For more in-depth information and help, please see When requesting help in the Q&P forum.

3431) Message boards : GPUs : Windows 10 GPU STOP WORKING (Message 81538)
Posted 22 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please look in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 for what we need for information to help.
Which projects you run, what error message you get, which drivers you use, how many CPU cores you allow 'free' to run with them.
3432) Message boards : BOINC client : Windows 10 x64 Previews and BOINC causing BSOD and or Green Screens (Message 81525)
Posted 21 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have all my PC in the Windows 10 x64 Preview builds which means I get new Windows builds just about every week.
So essentially you are beta testing Windows 10 versions and expecting them to be as stable as the release versions?

A public beta program for Windows 10 known as the Windows Insider Program (previously Windows Technical Preview) began with the first publicly available preview release on October 1, 2014. Insider preview builds are aimed towards enthusiasts and enterprise users for the testing and evaluation of updates and new features.
In other words, don't expect these to be stable enough. They'll contain all the kinds of pre-alpha, alpha and beta crap they can cram into it and ask you to see if that runs stable on your computer(s). In your case it doesn't, so you'll have to report that to Microsoft.

I have also kept and eye on the temps and with BOINC running the temps climb to about 80C then the errors are produced, but with CPU-Z I've had the temps go well over 100C and they never produced any Windows errors.
I must say, when I see something run at 80-100C, I'd turn it off and go find a better cooler for it. But apparently the 1800x has a +20C offset against the actual temperature. Still means you run 60 to 80C.
3433) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes immediately at startup (macOS 10.12.6) (Message 81516)
Posted 21 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN's Sarah answers:
While we are still trying to fix this issue (that has us a bit stumped at the moment) we can deprecate wah2 for linux and mac users on the main site which is perhaps the cleanest thing to do. The other alternative would be to use the two apps we have of the same code base but send natural workunits (or pairs of attribution runs) to one of these and all other experiments such as HAPPI that are not using naturalised runs to the other app. That way we can deprecate just the natural runs for linux and mac users.

The deprecation will probably happen next week. Until that time, thread carefully.
3434) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81515)
Posted 21 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something good then to save your poor English cyclists.
The Guardian: Encourage 'Dutch reach' to stop cyclists' car-door deaths, says charity
Huffpost: 'Dutch Reach' Technique Urged By Cycling UK To Stem Car-Dooring Deaths On UK Roads
BBC: 7 days quiz: Who, what or where is the 'Dutch reach'?
The Telegraph: How to do the Dutch Reach (and potentially save someone's life)
3435) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81501)
Posted 20 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The civil servant doesn't have the apprehension to deduce that when your father and mother share that surname, that that's yours as well?
3436) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 81495)
Posted 20 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No one yet with this one? Ban social media trolls from voting, election watchdog suggests
Banning social media trolls from voting could help reduce the amount of abuse faced by politicians, the election watchdog has said.
The Electoral Commission says legislation around elections should be reviewed and new offences could be introduced.
3437) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81478)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's no wall there, but look at the view. :-)
3438) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81475)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
7 hours, you mean?

You Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 19:08:11 UTC that,
Me Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 12:28:54 UTC that it was down.
3439) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81468)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can go to Options->Computing preferences and set the preferences there. That will override any of the same preferences that a project set, or you go to your account in any of your projects, select the computational preferences (usually the first option of the Preferences section) and changes those, then save them to the web site. At a next contact with that project those preferences will be used.

But in essence, if nothing changed over time, it doesn't matter where those preferences come from. BOINC will continue to use the preferences, even if the project they came from doesn't exist anymore.
3440) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.8.2 Not using the correct number of cores (Message 81466)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you only have three tasks after the project reset, then that's as many as she can run. You'll have to wait for a next scheduler contact/request for work.
Why not pass by on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 to see what more information we'd like to be able to help better.
3441) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81459)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC can only release a new version once every so much time. We do not develop VirtualBox, all we do is add a bit of helpfulness and release a new client with the then newest version of VirtualBox included. VirtualBox will continue to develop and release their own versions after that. Hence why three weeks ago it was 5.1.26 - which got added to that one installer, and now it's at 5.1.28

To add that version to a BOINC installer is quite a laborious. To add a new version every time VirtualBox releases a new version of their software is undoable.
3442) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81452)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or problems at home....
3443) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81451)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You still run:
9/18/2017 2:52:32 PM | | VirtualBox version: 5.0.18

Can you go to the VirtualBox website and download, then install their newest version for Windows? I think it's 5.1.28
After having installed it, exit & restart BOINC. Check that it says you have 5.1.28 installed, not 5.0.18
3444) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81441)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
14:28 European Summer Time and it's down.
3445) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install Problem - Windows 10 (Message 81440)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Specific Windows directories are all read-only. The directory itself is, all the files and folders therein aren't necessarily read-only.

From this MS Support page:
Unlike the Read-only attribute for a file, the Read-only attribute for a folder is typically ignored by Windows, Windows components and accessories, and other programs. For example, you can delete, rename, and change a folder with the Read-only attribute by using Windows Explorer.

The Read-only and System attributes is only used by Windows Explorer to determine whether the folder is a special folder, such as a system folder that has its view customized by Windows (for example, My Documents, Favorites, Fonts, Downloaded Program Files), or a folder that you customized by using the Customize tab of the folder's Properties dialog box. As a result, Windows Explorer does not allow you to view or change the Read-only or System attributes of folders. When a folder has the Read-Only attribute set it causes Explorer to request the Desktop.ini of that folder to see if any special folder settings need to be set. It has been seen where if a network share that has a large amount of folders set to Read-only, it can cause Explorer to take longer then what is expected to render the contents of that share while it waits on the retrieval of the Desktop.ini files. The slower the network connectivity to the share the longer this process can take to the point where Explorer may timeout waiting for the data and render nothing or appear to hang.


(And while that page says it is for previous Windows versions, it's the same behaviour for Windows 10)

Can you do:
- Start->Search, type cmd.exe
- When it finds cmd.exe, right-click and choose "Run as administrator"
- Acknowledge
- type net user and hit Enter
--> tell me the output?
- type net localgroup and hit Enter
--> tell me the output?

If you want it to output to a file, you can do:
net localgroup >> c:\tmp\lg.txt
net user >> c:\tmp\user.txt

And then open those text file in the C:\tmp directory.
3446) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.8.2 Failure (doesn't run with PrimeGrid) (Message 81437)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Trouble with that is that we don't have a 7.6.35 release branch, so we don't know what's going to be added to it.
3447) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.8.2 Failure (doesn't run with PrimeGrid) (Message 81435)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could be. Why is 7.8.2 still recommended?
3448) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81433)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, I see something in your log.
9/18/2017 2:52:32 PM | | VirtualBox version: 5.0.18

You run Windows 10, so you really always need the newest version of VBox for it to work. The BOINC 7.8.2 installer had 5.1.26 on board, not 5.0.18, so how come you have that version installed? Did you not allow for a newer version to install?
3449) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81432)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't make VirtualBox, you can always download the newest version of that program from its maker's website: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
3450) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.8.2 Failure (doesn't run with PrimeGrid) (Message 81431)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your error is Disk usage limit exceeded for the PPS (Sieve) v1.41 (openclatiPPSsieve) and Couldn't copy file: error 5 for the Sophie Germain (LLR) v8.00
But at the same time your computer also produces valid tasks for both these applications as well. So these are errors you'll have to ask about on the Primegrid forums.
3451) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81430)
Posted 19 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We thought we were clever when we bought it like that, yes, but forgot that:
a) it needs electricity to charge its batteries, something of a luxury we haven't had here in the past two weeks;
b) to fix itself, it needs an internet connection to do so, which everyone around here has had sparsely;
c) to be able to get parts in, one needs a courier company. The one we have around here misses 3 walls and a roof;
d) even if parts managed to get here, it needs a human to add them and that human apparently needs to be a rocket scientist.
3452) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81420)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bilí for everyone, but me. I didn't quit that stuff 10 years ago to restart now.

@Gary, bots don't have eternal life. Its batteries gave out. Or something.
Besides, there's not much use to clean the floor when we're missing one wall....
3453) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 81415)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cleaning the dust off the tables, putting new flowers down, hanging the curtains back up, wiping the bar and waxing it, turning the Raspberry Pi on, putting the TV on, put browser on auto-update on Windy.com showing Arecibo + weather forecast, (wow, they're going to expect 101 knots wind gusts?)

That wall still needs painted.
That wall still needs a wall.
But other than that, everything's ready for tomorrow's outage.
3454) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.8.2 Failure (doesn't run with PrimeGrid) (Message 81414)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Transfer tab only shows transfer as they happen, uploads and downloads. When tasks are showing "Ready to report" they have already uploaded.
Can you please press CTRL+SHIFT+E and post the BOINC start up log? The first 50 or so lines will suffice.
3455) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install Problem - Windows 10 (Message 81412)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing I can think about is that the account with which you install BOINC isn't an administrator. That's required to install BOINC as a service, due to the making of the boinc_master, boinc_projects, and boinc_user accounts. Do know you need to be logged in as an administrator, it cannot be done (as far as I know) via temporary elevation to administrator via UAC.
3456) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81410)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but isn't that then what you meant? I can't see further down the log what happens. Then you'll have to wait until it's past your idle time and post the log from there.
3457) Message boards : GPUs : World community grid GPU projects?? (Message 81408)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Those same icons can be seen somewhat larger on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
As for WCG and GPUs, best ask them yourself, in their GPU forum (or read there for earlier answers).
3458) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81407)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
9/18/2017 2:52:39 PM | | don't compute while active
9/18/2017 2:52:39 PM | | don't use GPU while active

These preferences will do that.
Suspend when computer is in use and Suspend GPU computing when computer is in use
3459) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81403)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC log: SHIFT+CTRL+E
3460) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.8.2 Failure (doesn't run with PrimeGrid) (Message 81401)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can partially access my account, but what is there is either nonsense or otherwise not usable
What do you mean with this?
Is that in BOINC Manager, or on the Primegrid website?
Can you show a screen shot of what you mean?
3461) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes immediately at startup (macOS 10.12.6) (Message 81391)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from the CPDN moderators list:
gdp wrote:
I've seen this in Linux, and I'm not running 7.8.2. I've been running 7.4.22 forever. It's been happening in the last month or two when a task crashes and something gets corrupted. I don't know whether some OS update changed something that boinc utilizes, or what (I'm running on Ubuntu 16.04 or higher). The only way I've been able to get the installation to work again without removing and reinstalling boinc is to remove all traces of the crashed task from client_state.xml. I can then start boinc back up and it will continue with whatever other tasks were running. Unfortunately that doesn't resolve why the problem is happening and why it's only been happening for the last couple months. I couldn't see a corruption in client_state.xml when I looked at it, but I am not an expert in what that file looks like at all times.

I don't think any cpdn application updates have occurred during that time so it is not tied to that.
3462) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 81388)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stanislav Petrov, 77, Russian lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces, "the man who Single-handedly saved the world from nuclear war" for his role in the 1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident. Died in May already, was revealed today.
Albert Speer Jr., 83, German architect, lead designer for the 2008 Olympics.
3463) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes immediately at startup (macOS 10.12.6) (Message 81385)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've asked CPDN to come take a look in this thread and advise, or at least tell if they think it's probable or coincidence.
3464) Message boards : Questions and problems : None of my projects run after update (Message 81371)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you post the start-log plus some lines showing that it's really not doing anything?
Have you checked the Activity menu that it's set to anything but suspended?
Have you checked that your projects and/or tasks aren't suspended?

I've had one report where a user updated to the new version with VirtualBox which changed the permission on his data directory so much that he couldn't run BOINC from it anymore. Can you check the permissions on the data directory?
3465) Message boards : The Lounge : The problem with that is... (Message 81365)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/11-revolting-things-government-lets-in-your-food/1/ has pictures of the 13 revolting things the Americans allow to be in their food.
Bugs love spices. They feed on spices, poop in spices - and even leave their body parts behind after they die. The FDA allows up to 325 insect fragments per 10 grams of ground thyme, to take one example. So spice up that dish and enjoy.

Looking up how many bugs there are in a dollop of tomato sauce I come across vegetarian, vegan or flexitarian the latter meaning they sometimes eat meat.
I wonder what that makes us meat lovers who sometimes eat just a whole iceberg lettuce. ;-)

Edit: 12,000 posts, yay!
3466) Message boards : The Lounge : The problem with that is... (Message 81355)
Posted 17 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's wrong with getting your protein from a bit of red meat or chicken?


It's a bit difficult when the meat is still strolling around the farmyard
So what am I to believe? Do you know people who are walking into the forest, with a handy straw to empty out an ants nest there and then, without cooking them first? Or who are luring the crickets from their garden, into their house directly into a salad?
(Aside from all those people on National Discovery channels)

You can't even shoot the cow and eat it directly, you'll first have to let the meat die out.
But given the choice between those locusts in your green salad, and that juicy steak of a 4 week dead cow, what's it going to be?
3467) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 81347)
Posted 17 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that Activity is set to "Run based on preferences".
3468) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client crashes immediately at startup (macOS 10.12.6) (Message 81334)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie is quite busy trying to keep BOINC working in the next OS 10.13 version. And without a new release branch or without (cherry picking) any fixes into the current release branch he won't be able to build a new version anyway. Having said that, I think it's better if someone moves this discussion to the boinc_dev email list so that the developers know about it. and don't all look at me
Since y'all looked at me anyway, I reported all the Mac reports to the boinc_dev list & Charlie
3469) Message boards : The Lounge : The problem with that is... (Message 81332)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's the fascination about eating frogs legs? Or snails? Or a goose's failed liver?
What's wrong with getting your protein from a bit of red meat or chicken?
3470) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issues Uninstalling or Re-Installing BOINC (Message 81327)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you will probably have to take property of the folder in question. Tried right-clicking on it to see who all had permission to do anything about it?
3471) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not connecting to project (Message 81321)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please give us more information. For hints on what we can use, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 and try to write it out in as much detail as possible. There's really no need to condense everything in 10 words.
3472) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Data on USB HDD (Message 81318)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the Mac developer for advice. He agrees with me it is a permission problem for VirtualBox.
If the ownership of the slot 0 directory is user boinc_master and group boinc_master, then projects cannot write into the directory with the permissions shown.

Perhaps rerun the Mac_SHA_secure.sh script?
One other thing it could be is the bug that's in 7.8.2 which causes the client to not clean up the slot directories and it reusing them while there are still other files in there. There is no client out yet with a fix for that and I don't know how many versions you should go back to be before that bug was introduced. (Richard?)
3473) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Data on USB HDD (Message 81313)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you try to put the data directory back in its original place, to see if the errors then go away? Because if they then do not, this may be a project (application) problem.
It may be a coincidence that this started to happen at this time.
3474) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Data on USB HDD (Message 81307)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you enable the slot_debug flag, please? BOINC Manager->Options_>Event Log options, and then post an output with that?
3475) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Data on USB HDD (Message 81304)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having looked into that process exited with error 74 (and thanks for that, added to my FAQs. :-)) this does seem to be a VirtualBox permission or existence error.
3476) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Data on USB HDD (Message 81303)
Posted 16 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
This old post states you have to use Disk Utility to verify that Owners Enabled is set to yes on the new drive.You may also have to reinstall VirtualBox.
3477) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 81295)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Harry Dean Stanton, 91, American actor (Cool Hand Luke, Kelly's Heroes, Dillinger, The Godfather Part II, Alien, Escape from New York, Christine, Paris, Texas, Repo Man, Pretty in Pink, The Last Temptation of Christ, Wild at Heart, The Straight Story, The Green Mile, Alpha Dog, and Inland Empire)
3478) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 81293)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have added the new release notes page and adjusted the version history page. Perhaps that during the next couple of days I'll add a couple of points, but the biggest changes are there, as far as I can see.
3479) Message boards : GPUs : 0MB , 0MB available Radeon Pro 560 (Message 81292)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, the developer asks that you run CLInfo from a terminal and post the output of it. You can get it from my Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uaq75ghl4uj91gj/CLInfo.zip?dl=0
3480) Message boards : The Lounge : The problem with that is... (Message 81291)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cleaned up. All personal attacks have been removed. Two people are on temp leave. One on permanent leave.
This thread nor this forum is for your personal fights. If you cannot have a normal discussion about the topic in the thread, please leave.

This warning is for all threads in all these forums.
Any further personal attacks are now too old to lay claim on. No need to red-x them any further, they're now part of the furniture.
3481) Message boards : BOINC client : RPC WU credit (Message 81290)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use an add-on such as SQL Setup for BoincSpy. Some of these add-ons are project specific.
3482) Message boards : GPUs : 0MB , 0MB available Radeon Pro 560 (Message 81277)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is one thing of note which I'll forward to the developer.
Fri Sep 15 06:38:13 2017 | | [coproc] Caught SIGSEGV in OpenCL detection

I'm not sure if this is a benign message or something of more significance. Any SigSegV error is worrisome enough, IMO.
3483) Message boards : GPUs : 0MB , 0MB available Radeon Pro 560 (Message 81262)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before posting the log and if BOINC 7.6.34 or 7.8.2, please pass by on Options->Event Log options and check coproc_debug->OK. Then exit and restart BOINC, then give the log. This gives an extra layer of information about the GPU.
3484) Message boards : Questions and problems : different CPID than on BOINCstats BAM!? (Message 81261)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
That reminds me, I just asked David to remove the Credit, RAC, Computers and CP statistics info from the account page, because they're of no use here.

Edit: and it's gone now. :)
3485) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 81253)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
That was answered in this thread already, three/four posts before yours.

I'd appreciate it that people read this thread before dumping their questions/complaint in it.
3486) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 81236)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Frank Vincent, 80, American actor (The Sopranos, Goodfellas, Casino)
Basi, 37, Chinese & world's oldest panda
3487) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 81235)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the release manager and he hopes someone else will do them. So it's anyone's guess.
I have an unofficial change log thread over on the BOINC forums: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11539 but we're not sure all those changes between 7.6.33 and 7.7.2 and BOINC 7.8.0 are in there. Only the release manager knows, and he won't tell.
3488) Message boards : The Lounge : The problem with that is... (Message 81228)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I repeat for those hard of hearing and myopic WE DO NOT EAT HORSES!!!!

Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse. In some areas, also referred to as "Equene". It is a major meat in only a few countries, notably in Central Asia, but it forms a significant part of the culinary traditions of many others, from Europe to South America to Asia. The top eight countries consume about 4.7 million horses a year. For the majority of humanity's early existence, wild horses were hunted as a source of protein. It is slightly sweet, tender and low in fat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat

In the United Kingdom, the slaughter, preparation, and consumption of horses for food is not against the law, although it has been rare since the 1930s and it is not generally available. There is a cultural taboo against consuming horse meat in the UK, although it was eaten when other meats were scarce, such as during times of war (as was whale meat, which was never popular in Britain). The sale of meat labelled as horse meat in supermarkets and butchers is minimal, and most of the properly described horse meat consumed in the UK is imported from Europe, predominantly the south of France, where it is more widely available.

Horse meat may be eaten without the knowledge of the consumer, due to accidental or fraudulent introduction of horse meat into human food. A 2003 Food Standards Agency (FSA) investigation revealed that certain sausages, salami and similar products such as chorizo and pastrami sometimes contain horse meat without it being listed, although listing is legally required.

Horse meat was featured in a segment in a 2007 episode of the Gordon Ramsay series The F Word. In the segment, Janet Street-Porter convinced locals to try horse meat, though not before facing controversy and being forced to move her stand to a privately owned location. The meat was presented as having a similar taste to beef, but with less fat, a high concentration of omega-3 fatty acid and a safer alternative in times of worry regarding bird flu and mad cow disease. The segment was met with skepticism from many after broadcast for various reasons, either because some felt the practice was cruel and against social norms, or simply a belief that if the taste was really on par with other meats, then people would already be eating it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat#United_Kingdom

In the Netherlands, smoked horse meat (paardenrookvlees) is sold as sliced meat and eaten on bread. Zuurvlees, a southern Dutch stew, is made with horse meat as main ingredient. There are also beef-based variants. Horse meat is also used in sausages (paardenworst and frikandel), fried fast food snacks and ready-to-eat soups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat#Netherlands
3489) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 81225)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Titles on the forums

Help desk expert:
Users who are helping others out with their problems, having shown enough knowledge about BOINC in combination with certain operating systems (Linux, Windows, Mac OS, Android, other). People who go out of their way to help you out until your problem is fixed, has a sufficient workaround or you think it's enough. You can trust their advice.

Project administrator:
The boss of the forums and underlying website.

Project developer:
The original developers of BOINC.

Volunteer moderator:
Users who help out keeping the forums clean from spammers, moving threads into more appropriate forums, keeping the peace in the threads, potentially banishing those who don't want to adhere to the rules.

Volunteer developer:
User developers of BOINC. These users are active in Github, on the email lists and on the forums. They'll have more in-depth knowledge of the code that forms BOINC and will even be able to find a bug in such code depending on what you reported in the forums.

Volunteer tester:
Users who (alpha/beta) test the software or the BOINC server software.
3490) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81223)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Heard in a jingle on the radio:

R.O.C.K. ... the C is silent.

Uh, yes... but why then use it in places like this?
3491) Message boards : GPUs : Limit GPU works (Message 81222)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't the default setting - without switches via the project preferences (e.g. Einstein@Home) or using an app_info.xml or app_config.xml - just one task per GPU? Or do you have a videocard with more than one GPU?
3492) Message boards : News : Project management changes proposed (Message 81220)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC community (volunteers, developers, project admin, everyone running or working with BOINC in some capacity) was asked to give their opinion on the documents. They can do that in the open, even if they disagree with each other. That's what the discussion is for.
3493) Message boards : Questions and problems : Losing use of GPU (Message 81219)
Posted 14 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, you should try to go back to a previous driver version to see if it does the same thing. Especially if there are multiple people with the same problem with that driver version, but not with previous driver versions.

What I think happens is that at one point the drivers crash in Windows, possibly due to Windows or due to them being unstable, causing to BOINC lose the connection with the GPU and the applications continue without it. That's not something a newer BOINC is going to fix, because it doesn't use the GPU nor the drivers.

BOINC doesn't use your GPU, it merely detects it so that projects can use it.
It can detect your GPU with your drivers, else the project(s) you run cannot use your GPU. So the detection of the GPU isn't the problem.
3494) Message boards : Questions and problems : Since v.7.2.42 I am not able to update to newer version. (Message 81192)
Posted 13 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doing a search on the Dutch error, I found a thread filled with Belgians with the same problem, and here it was - at the time - the Kaspersky anti-virus/firewall software that caused the error. Anti-virus software does make sense because it will scan every executable at the time it's started.

So the question here is, do you have anti-virus installed and from whom, which version?
What happens when you temporarily disable the AV before trying to install a newer BOINC?
3495) Message boards : Documentation : Installing BOINC on Fedora (Message 81187)
Posted 13 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've changed the boinccmd text and the Select computer text. Also removed the know issue that apparently was fixed 7 years ago.
I'm not familiar with Linux, so will leave any further changes/advice on that to someone who does know how/what.

I can only add your report about how to get out of the manager when there's an issue reported about that.
If you want write access to the Wiki, PM me with a nickname and email address you want to use.
3496) Message boards : Questions and problems : Oh that typo. (Message 81172)
Posted 13 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not in English. Searched for 'viru' and the page search turns red. So it's a problem with your translation.
3497) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81166)
Posted 13 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windy.com is my new favorite weather related site, because it shows the winds all over the world including a 10 day prognosis. All eyes are on what José is going to do, of course.
3498) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81164)
Posted 13 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most of the wind is past already: https://www.windy.com/?52.922,4.384,6
It's dying out now.
3499) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81160)
Posted 13 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You call her Aileen, the Germans call him Sebastian, both have song references. It has been knocking on our windows since 6am, but it can't get in.
3500) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81141)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't really see much, the cut is done outside of where you can see and they aren't coming at you in the face with the blade, they come in from the side while they have you look the opposite way.
Kinda be glad. I read one of the books an uncle of mine wrote about his youth and how at the time he was slowly going blind. He is fully blind, has been for over 50 years. I don't remember him being anything but blind. He's got two fake eyes, because his own eyeballs started to rot.

Anyway, before the time that he actually was blind, the doctors tried to repair the damage done to his eyes and for that they injected him into his eyeballs with every kind of new medicine they could at the time (read 1950s). That meant he had to keep his eyes open and they'd inject him straight through his iris in the back of the eyeball. He'd see the needle come at him and go into his eye. We've all seen those things happen in thrillers and horror movies... he had it done to himself. Twice a week. For more than two years.

That he's still sane...
3501) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81127)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Autumn cleaning of the forums done.
"When requesting help" thread rewritten.
New Alpha tester thread made.
Destickied lots of old threads.

Let's keep it Klean.

:)
3502) Message boards : BOINC client : Looking for BOINC Alpha Testers (Message 81126)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is always looking for alpha testers. At the moment we only support Windows (XP, Vista, 7, 8.1 and 10) and Mac OS 10.6.0 and above. For Linux testing and support we'd like to point to your distro's package maintainer.

When you want to be an alpha tester of our software, there are a couple of requirements.
- You don't mind running potentially unstable software on your computer, which can crash at any given time and take all your tasks in cache along with it. It may be so unstable that it crashes your computer.
- You will report any unstability, any weird glitches, anything out of the ordinary to the BOINC Alpha email list. This list requires registration.
- You will keep an eye out for messages from other users on the alpha email list, to see if there is a potential big bug that needs to be checked on. Even if you cannot reproduce that bug, you will let know about it on the list.

Reporting problems can be done with screen shots (via Dropbox for instance), with an indepth description of how it does this on your system, or where applicable with a debug log, using BOINC's debug flags.
Enabling debug flags is quite easy these days, done via BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Options->Event Log options.
If for some reason you cannot run BOINC Manager, you can add flags manually to the client configuration file cc_config.xml

<cc_config>
    <log_flags>
        <task_debug>1</task_debug>
        <cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
        <sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
        <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
        <work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
        <rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
    </log_flags>
    <options>
        <max_stdout_file_size>18119200</max_stdout_file_size>
    </options>
</cc_config>
The &lt;max_stdout_file_size&gt; will increase the stdoutdae.txt file to ~18 megabytes. Enough for you to capture at least 10 hours worth of data in.
Capture at least 15 minutes, preferably more. When sending a log in to the alpha email list, place part of your log in the post where it shows what your problem is. Please do not add a long log and just say that there's a problem in there, no other tester or developer will read that.

Do know that BOINC is being developed by the BOINC community, all of us are volunteers just like you. Reporting a problem won't always get you a reaction immediately. Have patience. Have no answer within 24 hours? Then ask again if someone else has seen this problem. Keep in mind that developers are spread across the globe, so while it may be in your morning, it can be in the middle of the night for the developer who's on your case.

If none of that is troubling you, then please let me be the first to welcome you as our new alpha tester. There is no maximum amount of testers we can use, if you have a couple of friends all willing, let them know we want them as well.

References:
Hard Bugs for more information on reporting hard bugs.
Alpha Instructions for more information about being an alpha tester.
Client Configuration Flags for more information on which flag does what?
3503) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 81119)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Legalities, profanity, yelling, rants, hostility
• Please ask for help before you go out on a crusade telling everyone "how much BOINC sucks". Complaining is always easy to do, but keep in mind that the people behind BOINC work hard to give you the best possible solution and experience. There's always a chance that you were jumping the gun anyway while asking for help might have provided a simple, easy solution; meaning you've gone out and posted something that may give new people an absolutely wrong impression. We're all for free speech and all, but at least try to confirm that what you're about to say publically is correct.
• Please, please, do not send the moderators private messages or emails for any question you have. Instead just make a post in the forums. It doesn't matter what question you have, we'd rather do this through the forums than in private, in case such a thread can also help others with same(ish) problems with it. It's very possible your request for help goes unanswered in PM.
• On the same note, please, please, do not send the moderators private messages, emails or feedback on the website that is nothing but a tirade and not a request to try and find a solution. Everyone on these forums, from the administrators, moderators, volunteer developers, to the helper with the lowest post count are volunteers. None of us get paid to do this work, we do this out of the kindness of our heart.

Please keep that mind when asking for help. If you feel you're not helped right, or that we shouldn't be asking all these questions, but instead be giving you ready help, let us know in a civil manner. Feeling hostile? Please leave and don't come back. It's a waste of your time, a waste of our nerves, and likely doesn't get us in a good mood to actually do anything about what you're writing about.
In fact, it'll be forwarded to the trash without any desire to remember it. If you want help, ask for help on the forum. If you want to complain, you can also do that on the forum. If you want to huff and puff and uninstall, you are welcome to do so, but please don't give us the arse-end of your mood just because you can.


With thanks for your help and understanding, from all the helpers on these forums.
3504) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 81118)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
About these forums / lost accounts
• These forums are not in any way, form, or fashion affiliated with any of the projects that can run under BOINC. If you have any problem with any of the project's applications, or any other questions about such project, best ask at their forums first. Although you can post for help on how to get your login information back in the forums, the moderators, developers and administrators at these forums cannot help you get back login information of projects. Please just make a post about having lost login information, do not private message the moderators/administrators/developers about it. These PMs will most probably go ignored.
• If you have login problems on these forums, first make sure you ever made an account here. Having made an account at any project does not mean you have an account on these forums. As we're a separate entity you need to make a separate account here. Even if you made an account through the BOINC Wide Teams website, does that not mean you have an account on these forums.
• It is possible your account got culled back in the day when our spam deleting method meant that a whole range of accounts were nuked. A new account is easily made though, and since there's no things as credit associated with an account here, it's probably easiest to just make a new account.
3505) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 81117)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reporting possible bugs
You can write a whole long story on how you think something is broken, but most of the times this is just because you perceive that things are this way, not because there is anything broken in BOINC.

So whenever you want to report a problem, make sure to add logs. Logs made with the correct debug flags. The debug flags are easily available these days in the Advanced BOINC Manager, they're just a menu click away (Advanced->Event Log Diagnostic Flags). Please for legibility add one debug flag per part of the log, disable it, then choose another if you have more than one flag that you need.

Main debug flags and what they're showing:
<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode. Shows results of the round-robin simulation used by CPU scheduler and work-fetch.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.
For all flags and their description, please see the client configuration page in the BOINC User Wiki.

I just saw an error!
A lot of the times it helps a lot that when you see an error message, that you also tell us what this error message is. Try to make a screen shot. ALT+PRT SCR will store an image of the active window in memory, which you can paste (CTRL+V) into an image editor such as Paint, and then save as JPG or PNG image. This image you can then store on an external site as Imgur or similar, with which you can then post the link to the image. Please post full size images, not resized to a postage stamp, as these generally don't show your problem anymore.
3506) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 81116)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
OpenCL capable CPU and GPU. (Windows only)

When you feel your GPU or CPU is OpenCL capable but BOINC isn't detecting that it is, first try to run CLInfo.

You can download clinfo.zip, and save it onto your system. Next make a directory called C:\CLInfo\ and unpack the contents of clinfo.zip into this directory.

Now open Notepad and add into it:
@echo off
c:
cd\clinfo\
clinfo > clinfo.log

Click File->Save As...
-> Navigate to C:\CLInfo\
-> Set "Save As type" to All files
-> Encoding: ANSI
-> File name: clinfo.bat and then click Save.

Next run clinfo.bat from Windows Explorer ((double-)click it).
It will save all the information it can find into clinfo.log in c:\clinfo\
You can open this log file with Notepad.

This will show if your CPU and GPU are OpenCL capable at this time, or not. When you feel that they should be capable, post the contents of the log file into an answer here and someone will go over it and tell you what to do.
3507) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 81112)
Posted 12 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Riem de Wolff, 79, singer of The Blue Diamonds (Ramona)
Xavier Atencio, 98, American animator, lyricist and Imagineer (Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion)
3508) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81089)
Posted 11 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
OBW I wasn't laser, a bit more for me, scalpel open the eyeball, yank out the lens, put in a replacement, stitch it up. Then drops, lots of drops, 5 different ones, up to 4 times a day to start. Also have a followup in a few hours myself. They are going to pull out that stitch.
Have to ask, are you then completely out? Or do you see it all coming and going, so to speak, with only local anesthetic?

thanks for the explanation on the green spots
3509) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81075)
Posted 11 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No diabetes, normal blood pressure - usually slightly under even. My eyes are also looking healthy on the inside, they've looked through the gadget looking like a microscope with a bright light into my eyes for over 20 minutes. In the end all I could see was green spots. I'll figure this one out, once I know what causes it I normally have no problem getting the chores done. On to a painful couple of weeks. ;-)

Edit: besides, if this causes my mood to be bad, I can always take it out on these forums...
3510) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81068)
Posted 11 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord, when they open the iris here they won't let you wander out without sunglasses or some kind or another. Sometimes two pairs are needed for a while.
I didn't go out without my sunglasses on, already had them on while waiting some further because the fluorescent lights were a bit too much.

As to prescription, if when you put them on, after your eyes are back in auto iris, things aren't sharp in focus at the distance they were made for, they might not have made them right. Doesn't mean the Rx is wrong either, lab tech's can goof too.
I had my new glasses made for me in May, have tried them on and off during the whole month plus most of June. During this time I went back to the store repeatedly, they even remeasured my eyes 3 times, and changed my glasses again a second time. Nothing helped, which was why I asked them for a card with all the numbers on so I could go to the specialist and ask them. Have been waiting for this ophthalmologist appointment since the 27th of June, because the first month apparently no one had noticed I had asked for it, then everyone there went on vacation for 6 weeks.

My original appointment was Wednesday in a town over. Having no way to get there other than driving myself, that would mean I would have to sit there for most of the day waiting for my eyes to normalize. So I was already glad I could move it to my own town for this Monday because someone had called off, else I would've had to wait until November...
Anyway, I wasn't lasered. I had nothing else done to my eyes, just the drops in to widen the iris. My right iris is still wider at this time than left left, it also has slightly more coloured balls spinning in front of it than on the left. That'll go away.

I just got in from going to the stores, so driving is okay.
3511) Message boards : Questions and problems : Losing use of GPU (Message 81047)
Posted 11 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Same drivers as the other guy, so I'd first go and try older ones: https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous?os=Windows%207%20-%2064
Make sure to use the AMD Clean Uninstall Utility (https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Clean-Uninstall-Utility.aspx) to uninstall the present drivers, and do the necessary reboot(s), then install the older ones. For a good test, and because I don't have any problems with them, try the 17.5.2s.
3512) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81046)
Posted 11 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I got home all right. Can see everything best with my reading glasses, they compensate against the wide irises, apparently. What doesn't help much is the sun that's shining, that's a sure way to get a headache.

At least I can go back to my optician and tell him he measured the glasses all right, that I can't use the new glasses is because the muscles that contract my eyes are loosening and therefore the strength of my glasses goes down. The new glasses do have the correct strength, I just can't use them immediately because I need to train my muscles to use them. And that takes time. Can be anywhere from a couple of weeks to more than a year.

Seeing how my old reading glasses are close to the new strength of my old normal glasses, I think I'll go use them for all the time, until my muscles know that. With my new normal glasses I can't get into the car, with my new reading glasses I can't see anything on monitors or in books.

Aging: fun. :-(
3513) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81042)
Posted 11 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sitting in the Ophthalmologist waiting room. My eyes just received droplets that widen the iris, making my whole world wooly & fuzzy. It's going to be interesting getting home.

No, I didn't drive here by car, went out on my bike, but even that might prove challenging. : -)

At least I remembered to bring my earplugs so I can have Heart on slightly harder than otherwise. Crazy on you!

Everyone best be a nuisance now I can't see anymore. :-)
3514) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 81030)
Posted 10 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Josh Schwartz, 45, American singer-songwriter and guitarist (Beachwood Sparks, John Cale)
Don Williams, 78, American Hall of Fame country music singer (Tulsa Time, I Believe in You, You're My Best Friend) and songwriter
Blake Heron, 35, American actor (Shiloh, We Were Soldiers, Nick Freno: Licensed Teacher)

and a bit more personal, Charles Jenkins, Holly's uncle died aged 89.
3515) Message boards : Questions and problems : Losing use of GPU (Message 81020)
Posted 10 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
AMD RX 480 GPUs with 17.9.1 ReLive drivers directly from AMD. If the drivers were an issue both systems should be having problems as they are setup identically. It has to be something specific to the one instance and not the other.
Identically setup machines don't necessarily have to be identical. Even if all the hardware is identical in brand and model, different outcomes are possible due to use of different production materials. Even the position of the computers can matter in how much heat they expel.

As for trusting someone on his word, I'd rather have some software do that.
I use a Sapphire RX 470 - 8GB with ReLive 17.5.2 and keep an eye on it and the rest of my system using Speedfan and Sapphire Trixx.
It's been running Seti tasks for the past several hours without problems, at a sustained 72 degrees centigrade, with a max of 37% fan speed. None of my tasks err, or have their application continue while the GPU is no longer under load.

So the rest of the questions:
- which project(s) is (are) affected?
- which applications lose contact with the GPU(s)?
- just one GPU? or both?
- what brand and model power supply unit is installed in that system?
- anti-virus or other anti-malware software? does it have the BOINC data directory excluded from being (actively) scanned?
- any more information that you can give?
3516) Message boards : Questions and problems : Losing use of GPU (Message 81018)
Posted 10 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
After hours of running I find that the GPUs are not being used, however, GPU tasks are still being crunched.
What do you mean with this?
How are you measuring that the GPUs are used?

I am confident that the computer in question is not overheating.
How are you sure of that? What are you using to check that?
Drivers are updated to latest versions.
Sorry, but this isn't a useful statement, because you don't say which drivers you use, or even what brand and model GPU(s) you use. Did you at least get the drivers from the GPU manufacturer's website?
Else, please check this thread on what minimum information we need.
3517) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.6.33 and 7.8.2 windows x86 64 vbox fails to complete install (Message 81009)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi and welcome to the BOINC forums. To be able to help you you have to give more details on what's not working, as now it's very short. See When requesting help on these forums for more details.
3518) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 81006)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are plenty of other choices from China to Mexico, from Russia to the USA. It proves nothing. Fake News.

;-)
3519) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80998)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, quite an overcast day for Las Vegas.
3520) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80993)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope you hacked your hand off after it flew away as the list of diseases pigeons (and other birds) carry with them is long. At least washed your hands with sulfuric acid?
3521) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80987)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, Shciphol...
Together with Hthrearow, O'raeh Int, Nrewak and Sri Guru Ram Das Jee Int unpronounceable.
3522) Message boards : News : Client version 7.8.2 released (Message 80985)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Report a false positive to AVG
If you think AVG wrongly detected a file, URL or Tracking as harmful—or if you have a virus sample that AVG failed to detect—please submit it to us for analysis. Please note that we do not answer back with results as the files are being checked automatically.
3523) Message boards : Projects : atlas@home (Message 80981)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
ATLAS@Home isn't on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php, nor does it show on the 7.8.2 Add Project list.
3524) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU computing option missing in BOINC 7.8.2 (Message 80980)
Posted 9 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post the first 30 to 40 lines of your BOINC startup from the event log?
3525) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80962)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is... it just takes you to Zeebrugge or Rotterdam, from Hull.
Rotterdam takes about 12 hours.
Zeebrugge takes about 13 hours.
3526) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC can't access internet (Message 80953)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I see so quickly:
9/8/2017 11:09:23 AM | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Connected to www.rnaworld.de (137.248.197.16) port 443 (#10)
9/8/2017 11:09:23 AM | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Cipher selection: ALL:!EXPORT:!EXPORT40:!EXPORT56:!aNULL:!LOW:!RC4:@STRENGTH
9/8/2017 11:09:23 AM | | [http] [ID#2] Info: error setting certificate verify locations:
9/8/2017 11:09:23 AM | | [http] [ID#2] Info: CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
9/8/2017 11:09:23 AM | | [http] [ID#2] Info: CApath: none
9/8/2017 11:09:23 AM | | [http] HTTP error: Problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?)

9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): https://www.google.com/
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Trying 172.217.9.68...
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: TCP_NODELAY set
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Connected to www.google.com (172.217.9.68) port 443 (#11)
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Cipher selection: ALL:!EXPORT:!EXPORT40:!EXPORT56:!aNULL:!LOW:!RC4:@STRENGTH
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: error setting certificate verify locations:
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: CApath: none
9/8/2017 11:09:24 AM | | [http] HTTP error: Problem with the SSL CA cert (path? access rights?)

9/8/2017 11:09:25 AM | | BOINC can't access Internet - check network connection or proxy configuration.

Does the OS have any certificates for HTTPS connections installed?
See How to Use SSL Certificates to Increase the Connection Security to your QNAP NAS for how to do that.
3527) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80946)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hey people, can we please stop pointing to shops where one can buy alcohol? Stop pointing to shops in total even?
We're banishing spammers that leave links like that, so why should I allow links like that to exist in your posts and your account to go unbanished?
3528) Message boards : News : Project management changes proposed (Message 80928)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No one else who has any comments, grammatical points, or disagrees with what we're doing?
3529) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC incorrectly requests GPU driver updated instead of an insufficent RAM msg (Message 80926)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, IIRC, SETI is more forgiving than Einstein for GPU computing.
That's true, but I think they require a minimum of 256MB or 512MB on the GPU (so not total with shared memory). Or its work group size is insufficient. That's something you best ask on their forums, or wait for Rob (Smith) to return and ask him.
3530) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80908)
Posted 7 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
...and you missed quite a good meet up.
I'm talking to most of those guys twice a week for two hours already, I was glad to have a week off. Sometimes it's nice to hear just a lot of my own language for a couple of days. Besides, my French doesn't reach much further than "je parle une grande petite peu Francais". Not even enough to ask where I am. I don't like French, let's assume it doesn't like me either. Brrr.
3531) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80895)
Posted 7 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord said before that he was NOT leaving, and at present he is in Paris on a seminar.
I never said I was going to Paris either. In this post I said maybe. But it was not to be. No meeting of the magnificent beard man. I'm still some 360 kilometers North North East of there. And glad too, because apparently we get half a monsoon tomorrow. The Germans dubbed it Perryman, it's a low pressure area with lots of wind and a canal load of water (possible remnants of Harvey).
3532) Message boards : GPUs : AMD 760G GPU does'nt receive task (Message 80887)
Posted 7 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
CAL was the old ATI method of doing calculations on the GPU. They themselves have long since dropped it in favor of OpenCL.
However, the GPU on that chipset (Radeon HD 3000) does not support OpenCL. None of the projects that I know of any longer supports CAL applications, because they were cumbersome and error prone.

Minimum required GPU with full support of OpenCL 1.0 is a HD 5000 series these days.
3533) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80872)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't believe all the rumours you read. Who said I left?
3534) Message boards : BOINC client : Win64 7.8.1 client didn't advise 7.8.2 version available when "Check for new BOINC version" selected (Message 80864)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I reinstalled 7.8.1, and done Help->Check for new BOINC version. It answers "There is no new version of BOINC Manager available for download." which is false.
3535) Message boards : BOINC client : Win64 7.8.1 client didn't advise 7.8.2 version available when "Check for new BOINC version" selected (Message 80862)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good find, I'll report that to the developer.
3536) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop 2017 (Message 80843)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Same error message as before about the virtual room.
3537) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop 2017 (Message 80840)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least the link is now totally unusable.

--------------------------------------------------------
Scopia Desktop Message
--------------------------------------------------------

Critical: Sorry, you cannot connect to the specified meeting (you can only connect to a virtual room)

Scopia Desktop server returned the following error:
Code: 5114
Description: The management system is configured so that you can only connect to a virtual room
Meeting ID: 727190
Address: https://desktop.visio.renater.fr/scopia/
Local Address: 194.214.202.150
Date: Wed Sep 6 15:02:11 UTC+0200 2017
3538) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop 2017 (Message 80828)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just get us audio, forget about the video. Audio is enough and not as taxing as trying to stream 720p or 1080p video as well!
3539) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC incorrectly requests GPU driver updated instead of an insufficent RAM msg (Message 80825)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, instead of a message about the video RAM, it incorrectly gives a message in the log that the graphics drivers needs to be updated to the latest.
BOINC doesn't care how much video memory your GPU has. It doesn't use the GPU, it only detects it so that projects can make use of it. The project on the other hand can detect the memory amount and give a message about what's wrong, and why it won't send you work. That's the case here as well, so you'll have to take it up with the project to get the message changed/adapted.
3540) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not connecting to project (Message 80824)
Posted 6 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Admittedly, I did change a few things in my home network
What did you change?
3541) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop 2017 (Message 80810)
Posted 5 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Marius Millea tells me that a two way stream is available tomorrow morning. At least, he hopes it's two way, if not, it's one way but that way people can still hear it.

For video, on Mac/Windows use the http link and install the client that it prompts you to install.
On Linux use http://www.ekiga.org/ and the h323 address.
On Android use the http link as well, and it should redirect you to an App.

Details:
Connection for a single terminal (PC, Mac, tablet, smartphone) use http://desktop.visio.renater.fr/scopia?ID=727190***3141&autojoin
IP address is                        194.214.202.146
Phone, RNIS, GDS                     +33 (0)1 85 58 86 07
SIP                                  sip:195.98.238.109
H.323                                h323:727190@mgmt.visio.renater.fr
Conference number                    727190 (end by #)
Password                             3141 (end by #)
3542) Message boards : Documentation : Boinc 7.8.2 changelog (Message 80790)
Posted 5 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm sure eventually the changelog would be written but is there a major need to update?
All of the changes and possibly more or less can for now be found in this thread.
And if so, what is the best way to go about this without breaking any of my projects, tasks etc? I'm assuming I would want no active tasks running when I upgraded. Do I need to reset projects, detach projects etc?
You can install this BOINC on top of the previous one. That shouldn't give any problems.

7.8.2 was primarily released because it was 15 months since the last release and this needed to fix a big bug in large download files that could go corrupt. That happens mostly at projects using Docker (e.g. Cosmology@Home).

It's not necessary to update if you think 7.6.33 does what you need it to do.
3543) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 80774)
Posted 5 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
None of the projects register data for CPU and GPU separately, so this isn't possible. Not without completely rewriting how work is sent to CPU or GPU and received from them, plus getting credit for either hardware resource.
3544) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80756)
Posted 4 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.8.2 for Windows and Mac was just released to the public. https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
3545) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 80733)
Posted 3 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Walter Becker, 67, guitarist and co-founder of Steely Dan.
3546) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80705)
Posted 3 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Richard needs to do no such thing. I would appreciate it if you stopped baiting like that.

I understand that your living quarters have been reduced enormously since you got the warning at Einstein. Consider yourself warned here now as well.
3547) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80691)
Posted 2 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're blue.
3548) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80688)
Posted 2 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The choice of Richard as moderator may need an explanation. He and I have agreed that this is a temporary assignment, during the duration of the thread(s) in which the work group explains the changes happening to BOINC and what the new rules are to follow for all who want to help BOINC out. The rest of the group thought the initial thread would need strict moderation, which is why I told Richard I'd make him temp-moderator for the duration of this happening, if he agreed with that. Gladly he did.

On the one hand, I never expected the thread to be going out of hand immediately upon it being posted. On the other hand though it is very quiet in there and in the email counterparts. Coming up to 18 hours and no reaction. Apparently the BOINC community doesn't know what to do with it.

Back to Richard and his modship, it's primarily for countering bad reactions in the Work Group's News thread(s). I've told him he doesn't have to do one single thing about anything else on the boards here, if he doesn't want to. All of his moderation actions will be recorded by Apache, just as all other moderator actions are, so no sweat there. We can always check whether what he did was warranted or not. But I don't think he'll go all Dagorath on everyone. :)

Cheers.
3549) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80667)
Posted 1 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it needs this song played in the background all the time. :)
3550) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80665)
Posted 1 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here is the News!
3551) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80662)
Posted 1 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
He or she will be introduced after 19:00 UTC. That depends on the time that we're going to give out some official BOINC news.
Which is on the way, but going slow. I may have to wait until tomorrow, which for me is in 40 minutes. ;-)
3552) Message boards : Questions and problems : is pentium 4 computer useless for boinc (Message 80658)
Posted 1 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti@Home shows even some Pentium 3's running their applications. As long as you don't expect lightning fast task returns and of course depending on the speed of the P4 (the Extreme Edition is a lot faster than earlier models), it can be used. Windows XP is minimum required OS though.

And it will depend on the project whether it can run on such a CPU. You'd have to ask on the project forums if they don't show it like Seti does with their CPU list.
3553) Message boards : Projects : boinc.berkeley.edu/w/ account missing || Malariacontrol,net Wiki page needs updating (Message 80653)
Posted 1 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can ask me to make one. It looks as if I can make accounts, can test it for you.
I'd need a nickname and email address
3554) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 80648)
Posted 1 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It was added during the 1992 renovations and is documented as being added then.

Among the ornate carvings on the façade are those of a faun eating an ice cream and of an astronaut added during restoration work in 1992, when one of the artisans engaged in the project chose to carve strange figures into the stone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Cathedral_of_Salamanca#Restoration_in_1992

Built between 1513 and 1733, the Gothic cathedral underwent restoration work in 1992. It is a generally a tradition of cathedral builders and restorers to add details or new carvings to the facade as a sort of signature. In this case after conferring with the cathedral, quarry man Jeronimo Garcia was given the go-ahead to add some more modern images to the facade including an astronaut floating among some vines. Among the other recently added images are a dragon eating ice cream, a lynx, a bull, and a crayfish.
http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/cathedral-of-salamancas-astronaut
3555) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80640)
Posted 1 Sep 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, compliments from Mr. S., now I really need to watch out.,
3556) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80634)
Posted 31 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why don't you record it? BOINC news is more important than some overpaid pricks trying to kick each other into prolonged handicaps.
3557) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80632)
Posted 31 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
He or she will be introduced after 19:00 UTC. That depends on the time that we're going to give out some official BOINC news.
3558) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 80624)
Posted 31 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Giorgio trumps you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvRx_oIBBk4
3559) Message boards : Projects : boinc.berkeley.edu/w/ account missing || Malariacontrol,net Wiki page needs updating (Message 80612)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Further details of my attempts to recover should be handled in PM's with the appropriate wiki manager.
In that case, PM me. To check if you have an account there, I require an email or IP address. If there wasn't an account to begin with, I can make one for you. Please make sure that you're talking about the correct Wiki, we have two.
3560) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80608)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David is 'just' the release manager, Christian is the person responsible for everything with the text and translations in the client/manager/websites.
3561) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80598)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Report that to Christian. I just checked in Transifex and the text is there like that in BOINC-Manager.pot
3562) Message boards : Questions and problems : Calculate only 1 or 2 Tasks at the same time (Message 80596)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If on the CPU, set preferences Use at most N% of the CPUs to a percentage lower than 100%.
Seeing how you say you run 8 tasks, it's probably an octo-core CPU, so to run 1 or 2 tasks, set the value to 12.5% or 25%.

If on the GPU, you probably have an app_info.xml file or app_config.xml file via which you set this, so the easiest method is to remove said file and to restart BOINC.
3563) Message boards : Projects : boinc.berkeley.edu/w/ account missing || Malariacontrol,net Wiki page needs updating (Message 80589)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It could be categorized under retired projects, if the category exists, as this Wiki article still shows up from Google search hits when searching for information on the project.?
Whether I set it to a separate page about it being retired or not, that won't matter in this as Google will still be able to find it and all of the other project pages in there. I'll send an email to the PMC to ask them what they want to do with these pages, delete or just easier put a link back into the visible pages and have people add to/adapt these pages.
3564) Message boards : Projects : boinc.berkeley.edu/w/ account missing || Malariacontrol,net Wiki page needs updating (Message 80588)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since they're a third party web site, you best report that to them. There's not much I can do about that.
3565) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80587)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah yes... that's where it is. Sorry, I hadn't checked where I reported seeing it, I was in the mistaken mistakeness that it was just in the Options menu. Thanks for setting me straight. :)
3566) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 80585)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We'll get a temp moderator for the duration of however long he's needed to be that. He won't be moderating the Lounge.
3567) Message boards : Projects : boinc.berkeley.edu/w/ account missing || Malariacontrol,net Wiki page needs updating (Message 80584)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What happened to my account and how can I get it back?
That depends, what do you think the user name is? It isn't marmot, I checked that already, there is no such name. And seeing that all accounts starting from 2011 onwards are still there, yours -if you had one- must still be there as well. Try different email addresses.
3568) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 80580)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wish her well.
She was saved.

Judge rules child must leave Muslim foster home.
A girl at the centre of a care dispute was removed from her Muslim foster parents yesterday and reunited with her family as a judge urged councils to seek “culturally matched placements” for vulnerable children.

The five-year-old, a native English speaker from a Christian family, was taken to her grandmother’s home after a court ruled that she should not remain in the placement organised by the London borough of Tower Hamlets.


Let's hope there won't be more of them: Revealed: Extremist Islamic preacher hosted foster care workshop
An extremist Islamic preacher helped in the recruitment of foster parents, The Telegraph can disclose, amid a growing row over a Christian child placed in the care of devout Muslims.

The imam hosted a workshop for would-be foster carers just months after the High Court ruled him an “extremist Islamic speaker ” who had “promoted and encouraged religious violence”.

The disclosure comes amid a growing furore over the decision by crisis-ridden Tower Hamlets, another London council, to place a five-year-old girl in the care of two Muslim households. A council source said the borough had a shortage of non-Muslim carers with whom to place Christian children.
3569) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80579)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
- the word 'daemon' is presented to users in the options dialog
Not sure which version of the manager you're running, but in the Berkeley 7.8.2 the 'daemon' part is gone again. Its new counterpart 'client' isn't there either for that matter.
3570) Message boards : Projects : boinc.berkeley.edu/w/ account missing || Malariacontrol,net Wiki page needs updating (Message 80578)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, the BOINC Wikis don't purge accounts based on inactivity. You can't even make an account there, that always has to run via David due to spammers.
We also don't actively link to any projects from the user manual wiki, that's all done via the BOINC front page and the add-project wizard. Those pages may still be there, but if all is well, you cannot get there from a link in the index of https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual or any of its sub-links.
3571) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 80576)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is in development, quite heavily even as we type this. It's now really open source, meaning that anyone who can do can add to it. Whether that addition is added to the eventual client, manager, server, forums, virtualization or whatever else we have, is again up to the same community that's now developing BOINC. So this is no longer, and hasn't been for the past 2 years, about being developed for money or by a strict staff.

What we will come up with - Friday - is the rule book that everyone has to follow for developing all parts of BOINC. And then gradually, after the work shop, we'll be doing some more meetings to see what else needs changed or added - like a code of conduct for all to follow. Things will only get better.
3572) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 80574)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meet the CPDN team at the University of Oxford’s Curiosity Carnival on 29 September

Curiosity Carnival is Oxford's contribution to European Researchers' Night, a Europe-wide celebration of academic research for the public. Taking place on 29 September 2017, Curiosity Carnival will showcase the world-leading research taking place here at Oxford to a large and diverse audience through a programme that will include live experiments, debates, bite-sized talks and other activities.

The Oxford e-Research Centre's Professor David Wallom and other members of the climateprediction.net team will be at the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford exhibiting a 3D globe projector ('Magic Planet') which will run visualizations of active real-time climate data simulations happening around the world on climateprediction.net.

Magic Planet is an educational tool which projects a digital image or animation onto a globe. It can show data in a visual form and is an eye-catching method of bringing research to life. The global reach of climateprediction.net, with simulations running on every major inhabited continent, lends itself perfectly to visualization on a globe projector.

Environmental Change Institute and Oxford e-Research Centre staff will also be present to describe what the graphics are showing, and how climateprediction.net is contributing to our understanding of global climate changes and changing risks of extreme weather events, with results from recent research/simulations (that you may have contributed to!).

On the same night at the Ashmolean there will be hundreds of other activities for all ages and interests - interactive games, flash talks, live experiments and demonstrations, films, poetry, music, art, dance and much more! To attend you'll need a free Curiosity Explorer Ticket.

https://www.oerc.ox.ac.uk/events/curiosity-carnival-cpdn-team-ashmolean
3573) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80560)
Posted 29 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone ready to meet the new moderator on Friday? ;-)
3574) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80559)
Posted 29 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
A new client is available for testing on Win and Mac.
The changes relative to 7.8.1 are:
- fix slow startup problem on Win
- update translation files.

This is a release candidate.
Please report test results soon: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Thanks --

David
Download links: here.
3575) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 80558)
Posted 29 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.8.2 available for testing for Windows and Mac.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.8.1 -> 7.8.2

  • client: more startup messages, hopefully find source of delay
  • update translations



Available installers:

Windows 7.8.2
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.1.26 included
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.8.2_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.8.2
- boinc_7.8.2_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.8.2_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.8.2_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

3576) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80542)
Posted 29 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that you posting is the trigger for the scripts. ;-)
They'll have a problem then next week, as I won't be home in time. :)
3577) Message boards : BOINC client : Starting BOINC clients and attaching projects, except from a single terminal (Message 80533)
Posted 29 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The --detach_console command closes the command line window but leaves the client running. It won't close the command line window until all of the commands the client has to full fill have been done, and the client itself is fully initialized.
3578) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 80532)
Posted 29 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It appears we don't support animated GIFs. I'll go ask at the back.
3579) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80530)
Posted 29 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
And it's down.
(And always when I try to quickly post something. It's fine opening the thread, copy&pasting my answer, then upon clicking Post I always get "Down for maintenance").
3580) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 80519)
Posted 28 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wish her well.
3581) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 80486)
Posted 27 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tobe Hooper, 74, American film and TV series director (The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, Poltergeist, Salem's Lot)
3582) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 80475)
Posted 26 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio may take down Christopher Columbus statue.

When will this new iconoclasm find an ending?
After you've taken down the statues of Jefferson, Grant and Washington as well?
3583) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 80466)
Posted 24 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jay Thomas, 69, American actor (Cheers, Murphy Brown, Love & War) and radio talk show host.
3584) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not connecting to project (Message 80464)
Posted 24 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a similar problem

Can you also post the first 40 lines of BOINC's start up messages? (CTRL+SHIFT+E)
3585) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not connecting to project (Message 80463)
Posted 24 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't say what system this BOINC is on, Android or PC, Mac?
What is the operating system that runs on this device?
Is BOINC actually asking for work?
Have you checked that system's status at Seti, that it was returning correct work, not all errors?
Can you post the first 40 lines of the BOINC start up messages? (CTRL+SHIFT+E)
3586) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it possible to fetch a user's World Community Grid verification code? (Message 80420)
Posted 23 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can find your authenticator key in the account_worldcommunitygrid.org.xml file in the BOINC data directory.

However,
If you're just looking to recover your user name, go here
Or to reset your password, go here

Whether or not WCG uses a weak account key, or where you else use the account key, that I don't know. I'll leave that to others (probably Sekerob) to answer.
3587) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80413)
Posted 22 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's back.
3588) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80382)
Posted 21 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nah, it's the default colours that these Bootstrap CSS buttons come with: https://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/bootstrap_ref_css_buttons.asp. It's possible they'll change slightly over the next days, I don't know. Or care.
3589) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80378)
Posted 21 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You thought you had it tough. All my command buttons were green, meaning eight at the top of every page, six around every post. That's now down to a reasonable two, with the rest blue. But still, green isn't a hue I'd put on a white background, as I told David. I hope for the Seti mods that their command buttons aren't all green on that background either. :)
3590) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 80354)
Posted 20 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dick Gregory, 84, American comedian and civil rights activist
3591) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC for Android doesn't show list of projects to add to (Message 80353)
Posted 20 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Going back to 7.4.43 fixes most problems: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk
(Can be installed by temporarily allowing Install from Unknown Sources from Settings ->Security, or Settings->Advanced settings)
3592) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 80352)
Posted 20 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the 4500 years since they were build, how much plate tectonic drift has there been? How much has the earth's spin axis moved?
http://robertbauval.co.uk/articles/articles/platetectonicsandgp.html gives you all the answers on those.

Terrestrial Pole offset: It is estimated that the pole offset from the Giza geographical co-ordinates changes at about 0.31 arc minutes per century; thus over 4500 years the offset is in the order of 13.1 arc seconds, a value far too small to be considered.

Calculation show that over the last 4500 years the Giza Plateau has move northwards between 22.5 to 45 meters and has rotated some 58.32” (arc seconds) from east-to-west, although this rotation may be much lower depending on the tectonics plate model used. In any case, the results show that the azimuth of the Giza pyramids should be adjusted by 58.32 arc minutes eastwards for the epoch 2500 BC.
3593) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 80349)
Posted 20 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't is nice to get back to myths and conspiracy matters rather than childish playground jibes from some quarters?
You went so well and had to end with a flame bait. Sad.
3594) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 80340)
Posted 19 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-great-pyramid-of-giza-and-the-speed-of-light.t2154/
According to GeoHack the geographic coordinates to the pyramid is 29.979175, 31.134358 (not the same latitude value.)
3595) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinic does not obey project preferences (Message 80339)
Posted 19 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
When preferences aren't being followed, that's usually because Activity is set to "Run Always" instead of "Run based on preferences".
3596) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80336)
Posted 19 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're all going to die!!1!!11! but not due to Florence, a large near-Earth asteroid that passes by on September 1st, Nasa says. So if they're wrong, and you survive, you know whom to sue. :)
3597) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 80334)
Posted 19 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I also hoped for more openness.
The trouble with 'more openness' is that everyone will have a different opinion on how we should deal with these things. We have difficulty enough already dealing with things as is. We also have only got two and a half week left to decide upon and write down a lot of the more pertinent points and details. Doing this in vacation time wasn't much use either, with people in the group going away for one or more weeks because their family wanted them to.
3598) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Urban Myths & Conspiracy Theories Part 2 (Message 80332)
Posted 19 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's good that that's posted in this thread about conspiracy theories because there's no truth in it. Unless with "this place" this very thread is meant...
3599) Message boards : The Lounge : Discussion thread for These are no longer with us, may they have peace (Message 80310)
Posted 18 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
My condolences to all you Brits for losing Bruce.
3600) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80304)
Posted 18 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Finally, a much needed Firefox add-on (or extension) that will make all of you native English speakers type English: https://www.grammarly.com/
It'll put an end to your misspelled apostrophes or lack thereof!
3601) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80302)
Posted 18 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice idea, wrong music choice.

Firefox updated to 55.0.2 and disabled almost all my add-ons, calling them Legacy.
Only a handful are featured and now updated. If you have an add-on like Autoplay No More, don't think that changing it over to Disable HTML5 Autoplay will do good... I found it blocks all videos, but leaves their sound continue: a cacophony of sounds!
3602) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC not working in NAT64? (Message 80266)
Posted 17 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know, so I forwarded your question to the BOINC development email list. Let's see what kind of answers come in.
3603) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80196)
Posted 15 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It just went down.

Just as I went to my account there:
Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$name in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 222 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$email_addr in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 226 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$url in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 232 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$country in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 236 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$create_time in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 240 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$authenticator in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 241 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$id in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 255 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$total_credit in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 147 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$expavg_credit in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 148 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$seti_nresults in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/seti_boinc_html/project.inc on line 184 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$seti_total_cpu in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/seti_boinc_html/project.inc on line 190 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$id in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 163 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$cross_project_id in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 164 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$email_addr in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 164 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$teamid in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 175 Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$id in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/user.inc on line 180 SETI@home is temporarily shut down for maintenance. Please try again later.
3604) Message boards : Questions and problems : *** buffer overflow detected ***: boinc_client terminated (Message 80192)
Posted 15 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you haven't done so yet, please do make it an issue at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
3605) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 80186)
Posted 14 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't bring your pineapples to the Reading and Leeds Festivals!
3606) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80174)
Posted 14 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
In celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Marine Offences Act 1967, which silenced all but one pirate station: Radio Caroline, now on:
- Radio Caroline
- Radio Caroline Flashback
- All Radio Caroline DAB+ channels
- Manx Radio
- BBC Radio Essex

Live from the Ross Revenge. A one hour Ray Clark program tracing Caroline's history and looking forward to what the future holds.

Here's the Ross: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7346992,0.8575,160m/data=!3m1!1e3
3607) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80155)
Posted 13 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your money is worth money... Cool.
3608) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80142)
Posted 13 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use code, it's what they do. Whomever 'they' are. :)
3609) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80140)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Recent exciting discoveries by independent researchers have dramatically challenged our understanding of ancient Egypt, raising profound questions about our past. STARGATE CONSPIRACY exposes the most insidious & dangerous plan of our times. It involves intelligence agencies, politicians, bestselling writers, scientists & industrialists. The authors believe that this conspiracy, centred upon the eternal mysteries of ancient Egypt, targets & threatens us all. Tracing the identity of the groups involved, Lynn Picknett & Clive Prince argue that at the heart of this strange plan is the belief that the ancient Egyptian gods were-and are-real extraterrestrials, about to return through the 'stargate' between our world & theirs. They suggest that the US-funded excavations on the Giza plateau - officially denied, but for which the authors produce documented evidence - now appear to be the result of directives allegedly received through communication with beings of higher intelligence, who are instructing the conspirators to lay the foundations for great global changes.
Source

Ancient Astronaut Theorists confirm the suggestion and ask you if you want further evidence to look up.

:-)
3610) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80138)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
7.8.1 is now available for testing on Win and Mac.
The changes relative to 7.8.0 are:
- fix startup crash on Win 10
- upgrade to VBox 5.1.26, which is required on latest Win10 versions.

This is a release candidate; please test and report results soon.

Thanks -- David
3611) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80137)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
A library book. Hope you remember to bring it back in time.
3612) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80134)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time enough for him to be reincarnated. :)
3613) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80132)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Think you can clean your monitors with Windex?
That you shouldn't use a magnetic screwdriver inside your PC?
That when you add two 4GB GPUs that you have one 8GB GPU?
That when you add more fans for cooling, that it's going to be louder?

Read Debunking Popular PC Myths to learn whether you're right.
3614) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80131)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
On the subject:
- of Ancient Aliens, if you have never watched the show, you're not really entitled to debunk what they have to say either. With them being in their 12th season you had chance enough. No access to the History Channel? That's why people invented P2P.
- of reincarnation, I'd suggest you look at the works of Dr. Ian Stevenson. No, I won't point to any article, you can use the powers of Google, Bing or Yahoo yourself.
- of needing to be the only person who's right, correct, untouchable, 100% of the time, I don't mind you having your own opinion on things, but then do allow others to have their opinion as well.
3615) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 80130)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.8.1 available for testing for Windows.

Available installers:

Windows 7.8.1
- boinc_7.8.1_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.8.1_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.1.26 included
- boinc_7.8.1_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.8.1_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe
3616) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 80107)
Posted 10 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
Since I see that David has created the client_release/7.8/7.8.1 tag, I have built BOINC 7.8.1 with its installer for the Macintosh and posted it to the "Index of /dl" page.

Cheers,
--Charlie

See the change log post for the change log and links.
3617) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 80106)
Posted 10 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.8.1 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.8.0 -> 7.8.1

  • MGR: don't crash if GUI RPC returns empty reply
  • MGR: Remove CheckForVersionUpdate() call from CNetworkConnection::Poll(). It caused Manager to crash on startup of Windows 10
  • MGR: Mac: code optimization
  • MGR: Mac: change "you are not authorized to manage the client" in alert to "... to manage BOINC" or "... to manage World Community Grid", "... to manage GridRepublic", etc.
  • Mac uninstaller: better optimization and error checking
  • Mac installer: ensure that temporary directories created by Mac installer and uninstaller have unique names
  • Mac uninstaller: fix incompatibility with OS 10.6
  • Mac uninstaller: fix small cosmetic issue
  • Mac installer: Prevent displaying "OSAScript" in menu bar on newer versions of OS X
  • Mac installer: improve logging of diagnostic information
  • Mac installer: create temporary files in a directory unique to the user running the installer or uninstaller, to avoid permission problems if it was recently run from a different user. Don't try to automatically launch the BOINC Manager if it is being installed from a user who is not authorized to run the Manager.
  • Mac installer: create temporary files in a directory unique to the user running the installer or uninstaller, to avoid permission problems if it was recently run from a different user.
  • lib: Mac: add missing dlclose()
  • MGR: Mac: Fix formatting of alert
  • lib: Mac: Fix bug which crashed PostInstall app causing installer failures when authorizing non-admin users to run Manager
  • update installshield files



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.8.1
- boinc_7.8.1_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.8.1_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.8.1_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

3618) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 80105)
Posted 10 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.8.0 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.7.2 -> 7.8.0

  • MGR: don't crash if GUI RPC returns empty reply
  • MGR: Remove CheckForVersionUpdate() call from CNetworkConnection::Poll(). It caused Manager to crash on startup of Windows 10
  • MGR: Mac: code optimization
  • MGR: Mac: change "you are not authorized to manage the client" in alert to "... to manage BOINC" or "... to manage World Community Grid", "... to manage GridRepublic", etc.
  • Mac uninstaller: better optimization and error checking
  • Mac installer: ensure that temporary directories created by Mac installer and uninstaller have unique names
  • Mac uninstaller: fix incompatibility with OS 10.6
  • Mac uninstaller: fix small cosmetic issue
  • Mac installer: Prevent displaying "OSAScript" in menu bar on newer versions of OS X
  • Mac installer: improve logging of diagnostic information
  • Mac installer: create temporary files in a directory unique to the user running the installer or uninstaller, to avoid permission problems if it was recently run from a different user. Don't try to automatically launch the BOINC Manager if it is being installed from a user who is not authorized to run the Manager.
  • Mac installer: create temporary files in a directory unique to the user running the installer or uninstaller, to avoid permission problems if it was recently run from a different user.
  • lib: Mac: add missing dlclose()
  • MGR: Mac: Fix formatting of alert
  • lib: Mac: Fix bug which crashed PostInstall app causing installer failures when authorizing non-admin users to run Manager
  • client: do AM RPC before detaching detach-when-done projects
  • client: bug fix in acct mgr logic
  • client: account-manager-related changes
  • Mac: update build instructions to show they apply to version 7.7.3 and later
  • server: fix compile error
  • client: fix minor bug
  • Mac client: avoid a potential compile error if deprecated enum kCGLRPVideoMemory is removed from a future SDK
  • Mac: update build instructions
  • Mac installer: add better error reporting
  • Mac installer: fix bugs introduced in my commits bbc1c40 when replacing deprecated system() calls with posix_spawnp() calls
  • client: show alt platforms in event log at startup. Fixes #1920.
  • client: fix typo
  • client/lib: add GUI RPCs for reading and writing app_config.xml files.
  • client/lib: code shuffle preparatory to adding app_config GUI RPC
  • client: Remove unused variables
  • MGR: Remove unused variables
  • client: small code shuffle; no behavior change
  • client: don't crash if can't open gui_rpc_auth.cfg
  • Build Linux: enable dependency debug build
  • MGR: Fixed spelling in 'Update Version Check'
  • client: show max disk usage correctly
  • MGR: Implement feature 'Do not show this message again' in 'Shut Down Connected Client' dialog.
  • client: don't start var names with __
  • client: propogate correct error if fail to read stderr file
  • MGR: Fix notices display under Mac OS 10.12.4
  • Manager: fix uninitialized class members in constructor
  • MGR: Fix change (commit 91784e9: replace deprecated Mac API ) lost by merge 3a956aa
  • client: Fix show message cycle
  • MGR: Remove unused function call.
  • client: change "njobs_fail" back to "njobs_error"
  • client: parse njobs_error in state file (don't lose info on transition)



Available installers:

Windows 7.8.0
- boinc_7.8.0_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.8.0_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.18 included
- boinc_7.8.0_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.8.0_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

3619) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80095)
Posted 9 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've even thought of a name for you
You can keep the name, we already have one.
3620) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't get remote control to work (Message 80092)
Posted 9 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say you put the IP address of the Windows machine in the remote_hosts.cfg file on the Pi, but did you put the IP address of the Pi in the remote_hosts.cfg file ON the Windows machine? The communication is two way, not just in one direction.
3621) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80087)
Posted 9 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ooooh, we're forming a cartel. Quick anyone, we need a fourth for our intended quartet! A baritone if you can.
3622) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80072)
Posted 8 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I stand by what I said, Sir :-)
You did indeed not say "Pacific Ocean", but instead "Pacific Island", to which I answered Rurutu. We're on the safe side of getting technical not to say anything about islands in the Northern Atlantic.
3623) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 80053)
Posted 7 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rurutu.
3624) Message boards : Questions and problems : Messages showing up blank (Message 80037)
Posted 7 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.33 I presume, and it's the Notices that are blank?
Go to the BOINC download page and download and install BOINC 7.6.34 which has a fix for that.
3625) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80007)
Posted 5 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks Giorgo, you've made my evening. A real bit of thinking needed here, explained in point four.

I was watching Ancient Aliens tonight, it's really entertaining what they come up with at times. This time they were going on about reincarnation.
As the show progressed we came up to the part where there's four ways to see reincarnation:

1. You die, your soul uploads to 'the cloud' and after a while downloads into a new body somewhere on this world. Can be close to your time of death, can be thousands of years between them.

2. You die, your soul uploads to 'the cloud' and after a while downloads into a new body. This new body can be any sentient being, which includes all larger animals on this Earth.

3. You die, your soul uploads to 'the cloud' and after a while downloads into several new bodies, each of which will try to finish one of the tasks that your previous incarnation hadn't done yet. This accounts for there being a lot more humans and animals on this earth.

4. You die, your soul uploads to 'the cloud' and after a while downloads into a new body. This new body can be any sentient being in the Universe. This includes aliens and alien animals on alien planets. Alien souls can also download into human bodies and other sentient beings here on Earth.

Have fun thinking that over. :)
3626) Message boards : The Lounge : Needful Things (Message 80006)
Posted 5 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
A thread for those things that don't really go in any of the other threads, that you want to share with the rest, and have a discussion about, but not necessarily want to start your own thread for.
3627) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79999)
Posted 4 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
..still though a lack of transparency is disappointing.
Most all information will become available when we're done. It's not that it's so super secret what we're doing, but a lot of what we come up with and what's in the agenda and minutes, may not even make it into the end result. Just making sure we're not giving all kinds of false hope.
3628) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79988)
Posted 3 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enough. :-)
3629) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79984)
Posted 3 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As a cure to the little bit of politics, here's a snail
That's lunch for one French family of four.
But uh isn't that just a photo-shopped rabbit?
3630) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 79972)
Posted 3 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice advert for their new Dreamliner: a Boeing 787-8 flew a flight path in the form of a Boeing over the USA.

https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE004/e54ad6b (make sure to zoom out.... and to select "Show route" in the lower left)

Edit: It's since landed and now all you have to do is click "Yes, show flight history".
3631) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79970)
Posted 3 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Although most decisions on transgenders are done by politicians, can we please keep politics out of this thread?
3632) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79957)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
me wrote:
... bills not paid?
... someone tripped over a power cable?
... you had 'the big shaky one'?
Or is it just a server that doesn't want to work anymore, it's thrown itself out the server rack?

Eric K wrote:
Hmm httpd was set to not restart after a crash.

It's back up.
3633) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79951)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is setiathome.berkeley.edu down?

It's not just you! setiathome.berkeley.edu looks down from here.
3634) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79950)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
All, as far as I understand. Making sure there's no human pollution on craft going to other planets, but also no pollution coming back from those other planets.
3635) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc screensaver & Creators Update (Microsoft, Win10) (Message 79949)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Additional info:
Ozzfan wrote:
Warning for everyone running Windows 10 and the screen saver. The next upgrade of windows 10 will do away with the screen savers. The Fall Creators Update will have screen saver functionality removed in themes in this release, deprecated in Group Policy, Control Panel and Sysprep but functional for the time being.

So when your screen save stops working in a near future, this ISN'T the fault of BOINC or Seti, but due to Microsoft stopping support for a screen saver by default. You will probably have to download a program or something from their store to have screen saver functionality then.


To be clear, it says that they are removing the screen saver functionality in Themes, but did not say if they were removing screen saver functionality altogether. Traditional screen saver functionality is found under Lock Screen settings instead. The post in the link you gave by user Ben Ramsay seems to confirm that screen savers are still there:

Ben Ramsay July 24, 2017 at 4:16 pm wrote:

On the build i have they have removed it from themes however it is now under lock screen, but will wait and see, as for ms paint I do use it on a regular basis and hope they will keep it or at least make a uwp version of it.


(Ben apparently doesn't know or acknowledge that the traditional screen saver has always been under Lock Screen settings as it is on my Creators Update as well as the previous Anniversary Update).

It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually remove screen savers but it looks like it's too soon to claim it will stop working in the next release.

Edited to add for clarity: SETI@home is a "traditional" screen saver and not a Themes screen saver, so it should continue working.
3636) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79947)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
NASA searches for a Planetary Protection Officer

Salary
$124,406 to $187,000 / per year

The Planetary Protection Officer (PPO) is responsible for the leadership of NASA's planetary protection capability, maintenance of planetary protection policies, and oversight of their implementation by NASAs space flight missions. The PPO also supports the Safety and Mission Assurance (SMA) Technical Authority and serves as a principal advisory resource for the Chief, SMA and other senior officials on matters pertaining to planetary protection. The PPO is the Agency's focal point for interactions with external organizations on matters related to planetary protection. Primarily the Planetary Protection Officer performs the following:

Leads planning and coordination of activities related to NASA mission planetary protection needs.

Leads independent evaluation of, and provides advice regarding, compliance by robotic and human spaceflight missions with NASA planetary protection policies, statutory requirements and international obligations.

Advises the Chief, SMA and other officials regarding the merit and implications of programmatic decisions involving risks to planetary protection objectives.

In coordination with relevant offices, leads interactions with COSPAR, National Academies, and advisory committees on planetary protection matters.

Recommends and leads the preparation of new or revised NASA standards and directives in accordance with established processes and guidelines.
3637) Message boards : Promotion : Marketing | Promotional materials? (Message 79940)
Posted 1 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've asked David about this, no answer yet. Unless he emailed you.

Edit: No, we don't know of anything like that.
3638) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79938)
Posted 1 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Some of our hat checking professionals are men, some are women and some are transgender.
I wonder what that makes a:
- cowboy
- fireman
- barman
- policeman
- landlord
- headmaster
- foreman
3639) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc screensaver & Creators Update (Microsoft, Win10) (Message 79918)
Posted 1 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Warning for everyone running Windows 10 and the screen saver. The next upgrade of windows 10 will do away with the screen savers. The Fall Creators Update will have screen saver functionality removed in themes in this release, deprecated in Group Policy, Control Panel and Sysprep but functional for the time being.

So when your screen save stops working in a near future, this ISN'T the fault of BOINC, but due to Microsoft stopping support for a screen saver by default. You will probably have to download a program or something from their store to have screen saver functionality then.
3640) Message boards : Teams : BOINC Wide team not propagating properly to projects (Message 79895)
Posted 1 Aug 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is fixed. Thanks for the report.
3641) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task selection: Earliest Deadline First versus First In First Out (Message 79874)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
otherwise Boinc doesn't know how many hours a day the machine is turned on.
Yes it does.
In the computer's details you'll find these lines:

Fraction of time BOINC is running
While BOINC is running, fraction of time computer has an Internet connection
While BOINC is running, fraction of time computing is allowed
While is BOINC running, fraction of time GPU computing is allowed

My fraction of time BOINC is running is 1.93%, even if I were to set a very large amount of work to ask, I wouldn't get it as it's counted against that value.

You can find these values as well in the client_state.xml file (no XML editor needed, if you just want to look at the data it'll open in Internet Explorer), in the time_stats section.
3642) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 79872)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Russia bans VPNs and other anonymizers from November 1st, 2017.
China has Apple pull VPN apps from Chinese Apple App Store.
3643) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task has 100% and still counting (Message 79869)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please report this at the project from which the task is. It's their estimates which are so wildly off, that's not something that the BOINC software can change so easily. It can, but then it has to run several of these tasks to completeness before it starts adapting the time to run to a more correct estimate.
3644) Message boards : Teams : BOINC Wide team not propagating properly to projects (Message 79866)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to David.
3645) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 79865)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Service Unavailable

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
3646) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 79864)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sam Shepard, 73, American playwright, actor, author, screenwriter, and director
3647) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task selection: Earliest Deadline First versus First In First Out (Message 79853)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc seems to be optimised for users who participate in several projects with their machines running 24 hours a day
I run Seti once in a blue moon for about an hour, sometimes more, to get my RAC above 1 so I can post to their forums. With Seti, deadlines are a month, two months and at times even three months away. Depending on their tasks. This is done so ultra slow devices like slow Android / Raspberry Pi devices can also do valuable work there.

Meaning it isn't BOINC that decides the deadlines, but the project. With WCG's science needing a short turn-around time, because their scientists are waiting for the results, their deadlines are short.
3648) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux: doesn't start (standard Ubuntu 16.04 LTS 64 Bit) (Message 79809)
Posted 27 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is built by volunteers.
BOINC in Linux is built by its package maintainers, so look for the latest newest version in your repository.
As far as I know, Gianfranco has released 7.6.33

You can read about him in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GianfrancoCostamagna/CoreDevApplication.
Available BOINC versions from him are at https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/boinc including instructions on how to install his repository.
3649) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79794)
Posted 26 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see, also, Marius Millea from Cosmology@Home, organizer of Boinc Meeting.
Marius is not a member of the BOINC Work Group,
3650) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79788)
Posted 26 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi all,

First I'd like to thank those of you who took the time to post your grievances, feature requests and suggestions. We have quite a list already, but we'd love more. I can tell you that all of what makes it through to the list will be spoken about in detail between the group members and possibly back to you who asked about it.

Just so you know, this work group isn't some low people who were aimlessly waiting around in the lobby of some university, instead as I hinted in some posts already, these people aren't the least in BOINC, they do have something to say. They are senior project scientists and administrators, and other significant contributors.

Meet:
- Christian Beer - Einstein@Home
- David Wallom - Climateprediction.net
- Eric Korpela - Seti@Home
- Kevin Reed - IBM/World Community Grid
- Laurence Field - CERN/LHC
- Tristan Olive - Grid Republic
- David Anderson - BOINC

So yes, we're quite honored in that they asked us to gather around the table to discuss a lot of things about BOINC, and so should you. All the material Richard and I send in is talked about via email/a dedicated website. There's so much to talk about even, that some of it made it impossible for us to do all the Agenda points on the last weekly meetings. :)

Weekly we talk via teleconference with each other, which is really nice as at least that way the others can hear the urgency in my voice on anything I have to say. And that's not all just serious talk, there's a lot of humor passing by as well. Weirdly enough, sometimes these guys sound and act like humans. :-D

With that out of the way, please, continue. Give us a lot more to talk about, to decide upon, to vote on how we should change things. We're proud of you. We're BOINC, resistance is futile. :)

Jord.
Richard.
3651) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 79785)
Posted 26 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Talking about politics, there's a lot of that going around within BOINC as well.
3652) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79782)
Posted 26 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for that CM.
Weird though, all the emails I sent to various of your email addresses bounced with messages that these addresses didn't exist anymore. Glad though something reached you. Mind PM'ing me which email address I can use in future, that surely won't bounce? :-)

Quickly reading through the Steem thread, the first one:
It would be nice that there would be more control over how each of the project tasks are prioritized.

We won't tackle this one. I doubt even anyone is ever going to do this.
This is an extremely large change, one that may not even be possible with volunteer developers. At the moment there are no paid BOINC developers anymore, people who work with BOINC day in day out. There's only volunteers. And of those we may have about 7 who chime in here and there. We need a lot more people who do programming/developing, who will run down the present 319 issues, and get as much of that out of the way before we're even ready to do large changes.

And then, large changes require a vote of various committers, maintainers and PMC Upside of that is that there's no one uber-user anymore who can shoot things down, while the possible downside is that you now have to lobby several others into trying to get them to think your way. :)

Edit: * A select few users across all BOINC project forums are rather aggressive, however hopefully when the mandatory team gridcoin rule is lifted this will be reduced somewhat..
Change is difficult for some. People are human and rife for fighting. I want to bet that the GC users aren't always so diplomatic in their answers either. :)


Edit: Wow... Tell Trikkstar they won the prize of simple solutions that have been overlooked for a long time: be able to add an account manager on simple view.
3653) Message boards : Questions and problems : What are the reasons that some people avoid BOINC project? (Message 79740)
Posted 23 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unfortunately the application uses so much memory that the application completely locks up the laptop.
Which application?

On my Windows 7 system, boinc.exe uses about 16MB, boincmgr.exe around 38MB RAM. For Windows 10 it won't be much more than that.
If you're talking about a project application, yes there are projects where the tasks take 1 - 10 GB per task. Those projects warn about that, and it's something that's being investigated how to make BOINC recognize that.
3654) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79739)
Posted 23 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I certainly would opt for a better joint team between BOINC and Gridcoin.
I've been trying to contact CM for the past days and all emails I sent him eventually bounced, for non-existing email addresses. That makes contact between BOINC and Gridcoin quite difficult, so if you have the means, could you ask that he comes by and either posts here, or PMs me, or emails me?
3655) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 79729)
Posted 22 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Deborah Watling, 69, UK actress (played Victoria Waterfield in 40 episodes of 1967-1968 Doctor Who, The Newcomers, Rising Damp and World War II drama Danger UXB)
3656) Message boards : Questions and problems : Specify Which Disk to Use for BIONC (Message 79727)
Posted 22 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, a terabyte of space isn't really necessary for Seti. Their normal tasks (Multibeam) are about 370KB big, while the larger ones (Astropulse) are 8MB. These latter ones aren't always available though and even if they are, very difficult to get as they're in high demand.
On top of that, Seti has a 100 task limit for CPU + 100 tasks per GPU. So even if you could get all these filled with Astropulse, you'd still only use 1.6GB.

Now then, onto moving the data directory.
First step: exit BOINC completely before doing anything. (BOINC Manager->Options->Other options...->check that "Enable Manager exit-dialog?" is checked->OK->File->Exit BOINC->check "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"->OK)

Assuming you're running Windows, use Windows Explorer to move the data directory with everything in it from the default directory C:\Programdata\BOINC\ to your F: drive, for example to F:\BOINC\
C:\Programdata\BOINC\ is a hidden directory, so make sure to set the Windows Explorer options to show hidden files and folders.

Next you'll have to tell BOINC that you moved the data directory, and to make sure that all the correct permissions are done, it's the easiest to uninstall BOINC via Add/Remove Programs, then reinstall it with the BOINC installer. (Which you can download from here. When you don't run projects that use VirtualBox, download the installer without it)
In the third screen in the installer, click Advanced.
In the window that comes up, change the second path at the top from C:\Programdata\BOINC\ to F:\BOINC\
Continue the installation.

There, done.

By the way, as you see in all my text, the program is called BOINC, not BIONC.
3657) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU resumes when told to snooze (Message 79726)
Posted 22 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you need computing to pause until you say otherwise you need open the Manager and suspend computing from Activity menu.
Or use the exclusive applications options from the menu (BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view)->Options->Exclusive applications), where you can set programs that suspend BOINC when these programs are detected in memory. You can set separately for CPU (suspends all of BOINC) and GPU (suspends only GPU calculations, while CPU calculations continue). This does require that Activity for CPU and GPU is set 'run based on preferences'.

3658) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79718)
Posted 21 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank for the answer. So, please, a much more visible message of new version in BM
Yes, that's what is being tested and giving a lot of problems at this moment. As I understand the message that a new version is available will now go from the pop-up that's causing the problems to a notice in the Notices tab.

If you have a BOINC Alpha email list login you can read all about it in the 7.8 Showstoppers thread.
3659) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79715)
Posted 21 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
- Automatic update of Boinc Manager (like, for example, Firefox).
Already in BOINC 7.8.0 and creating a huge bug that the developers are working to get rid of as I type this. Automatically updating the client isn't possible for security measures, the user will always have to manually download the new version and install it.
3660) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc and USV / UPS (uninterruptible power supply) ? (Message 79702)
Posted 20 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If it's recognized as such by the operating system, it should be possible via the Suspend when computer is on battery preference.
3661) Message boards : BOINC client : Self-founding projects? (Message 79701)
Posted 20 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fixed the article link.
3662) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 79699)
Posted 20 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Chester Bennington, 41, singer of Linkin Park
3663) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79696)
Posted 20 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be nice if people could answer to topic in the thread, instead of immediately deviating off topic and continuing their crap campaign.
Sorry for him, but I am not leaving here. If something even, I'll be spread more over a lot of BOINC projects, as the message has to go out, and then it's a daily tour of all those projects to see who answered what, and gather all that information for the rest of the committee to see.

And perhaps, maybe, if I feel right at the time, I'll go to Paris in September to see Richard's beard in real life. I gather it's a wondrous thing to behold. :)
3664) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79688)
Posted 20 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, the post is up, it took a while to get the draft correct.
3665) Message boards : Projects : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 79687)
Posted 20 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi BOINC Community,

Last week Richard Haselgrove and I were asked to join a BOINC Work Group committee which researches how BOINC can be made more user friendly, easier for anyone to set up their own short- or long term project, and for the community to join in on those endeavours. The goal is to get more people to run BOINC, to join in coding all parts that make BOINC (client, manager, web site, forums, projects, etc.), to test everything, to get them to set up their own projects, to make BOINC a future-proof and reliable brand that isn't dependent on any one person in particular.

We do know this is a big order and it won't be solved in a couple of weeks. So we'll work in the background together with some key people from projects/code developers to get things started. Eventually we will need answers from you as well, probably on a lot of things. But we'll start slow with a couple of small questions:

1. If there is anything at all you can change in/withdraw from/add to BOINC, what would that be? While we don't exactly look for enhancements or bug squashing, you may just let out anything you think would put BOINC on the map. For example to add social media inside BOINC Manager, or have certain add-ons integrated into the client (I am making these up, they aren't on the list (yet)).

2. Would you like to contribute to making BOINC better, or program for it, or walk the source code, or do anything to help the project forward? What has held you back thus far?

3. We'd like to get into contact with people who programmed for BOINC, but no longer do. Can you PM me or Richard on this, or contact us via email? Especially if you're one of the people in the Volunteer Developers section here.

4. We also like to get into contact with people who now voluntarily program for BOINC. Can you tell us why you decided to work on BOINC, how difficult it was to get into and what we can do to increase your involvement?

With thanks for any answers you have,

Richard Haselgrove
Jord van der Elst

PS: Most all answers will go onto our dedicated website, so make sure your answer is in a way you think is right for that environment. Only the members of our group have access to these. Especially if you email, let us know if you want to be quoted verbatim or not.
3666) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79668)
Posted 18 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good, at least Eric will then be free for that teleconference we'll have tonight. Hint hint, news on this will be coming later tonight or tomorrow. :)
3667) Message boards : BOINC client : Self-founding projects? (Message 79642)
Posted 16 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Calculating cryptocurrency on a CPU is not worth the time or money spent on electricity.
The cost of electricity offset against mining Ethereum or Bitcoin with these GPUs has tipped over and made it very lucrative to mine these cryptocurrencies. That's why the big farms do it on the latest generation of GPUs - which is why at the moment it's almost impossible to find a new GPU, AMD or Nvidia. See this article for more on that.

As for the BOINC devs, that's you and me these days. BOINC is a user developed project, it's no longer three dedicated developers who do all. Instead BOINC is being developed by its users. So if you feel it's a worthy thing to figure out, you can do so.
If you just want to give it as an idea for someone else to figure out, that's also possible, but then post it as a new Issue on BOINC Github.

(edit: adding the link would be nice)
3668) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU fan 100% always (Message 79641)
Posted 16 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You should be able to set in your motherboard's BIOS/UEFI what level all the fans in your system should run at from startup.

When your CPU temperature is low, it may be that the GPU is being used.
Running BOINC will put a load on the system, be it running work on the CPU or on the GPU or both and when these are under load they get hot. To get rid of that heat, the fans will spin extra.

There are plenty of programs available to stop the fans from going wild, even under load.
I pretty much like http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php because it allows individual setup of all the fans it detects, CPU fan, Auxiliary fans, GPU fan(s) and even the PSU fan if it detects it.
3669) Message boards : Questions and problems : I'm using Ubuntu 16.04, from the terminal i can start BOINC just fine however I can't start the manager at all. How can I fix this? (Message 79585)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whereby I then of course wonder how you use the local preferences, if you cannot use the BOINC Manager. But on the other hand, if you know how to write the file contents, the global_prefs_override.xml file is easily made. ;-)

As for the actual problem of not being able to start the manager, I'll wait for a Linux guru to pass by, but suspect it's to do with:
- missing X server.
- permissions.

Which BOINC do you use?
And is it installed from repository, or from the BOINC website?
3670) Message boards : Questions and problems : Constantly running 1 WU of each selected project (Message 79579)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
By intermixing I meant that when your cache runs empty, and gets filled by the next project, that any task now finishing will get replaced by a task from this next project.

While BOINC 6 may be able to do it, it takes time for the debts to equalize, it won't be a quick thing. Also, app_config.xml won't work with BOINC 6.
Any reason why you can't run virtual machines on your server?
3671) Message boards : Questions and problems : I'm using Ubuntu 16.04, from the terminal i can start BOINC just fine however I can't start the manager at all. How can I fix this? (Message 79578)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or - even more simply - you could make the same change via the global preferences page of any project your computer is attached to.
Better do it there, else at the next contact with the project website, the value that the project sends out overwrites the manually edited value in the global_preferences.xml file.
3672) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79569)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What a little F1 circus doesn't do, especially when it's only been advertised since Tuesday evening. I must say though I only found out about it via a newspaper I was reading, and then only after it's been ongoing for over an hour already. Oh well, at least let's hope Max can drive more meters than those on Piccadilly Circus and that his car will stay sound for one time.

Post 7000 in this thread yayayayaya!!
3673) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 79568)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
So all that remains is whether I should go to the trouble of putting my niggle into writing, or not.
Knowing your walls of text, I wonder if I should feel sorry for the addressee. ;-)
3674) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79565)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
And you didn't notice the traffic trouble in the inner city either? ;-)
The link I gave earlier is now dead, but there will probably be highlights coming on https://www.youtube.com/user/Formula1/videos
3675) Message boards : Questions and problems : Constantly running 1 WU of each selected project (Message 79564)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would probably be possible with a BOINC 6 client, that could eventually run a task per project. The BOINC 7 client runs the cache per project though, with only sometimes (minimal) intermixing, mostly when switching between projects.

The other possibility would probably be to use several VMs with their own BOINC with their own project in them. That way you don't have to do difficult with --allow_multiple_clients and all that.
3676) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79553)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Formula One circus running cars through the streets of London, live: https://youtu.be/rMQqzZWy_B4
3677) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC Workshop 2017 (Message 79551)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Marius Millea wrote:
Hi everyone,

On behalf of the organizing committee, I want to extend a warm invitation to all members of the BOINC community to join us at the 2017 edition of the BOINC Workshop, taking place in Paris at the Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris this Sept 6-8. The workshop will be an opportunity to reflect on lessons learned from existing projects, to discuss the status of BOINC and the community, and to plan ahead for the future. For many of us, it will also be a great chance to meet in person and get to know our fellow collaborators and interested parties of this open source project.

There is no fee to attend, but you do need to register on the website below. Please do so at your earliest convenience if you would like to come. If you need an invitation to obtain travel documents to France, please don't hesitate to contact us.

Also feel free to circulate the following flyer around, or point others to the workshop page https://cern.ch/bw17



Hope to see many of you there!

Marius (Cosmology@Home admin)
3678) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Compiling BOINC Manager 7.7 in Ubuntu 14.04.5 (Message 79542)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I also have a Mac, and noticed an annoying problem with the last release 7.6.34. After switching from 7.6.33 the new version is plagued with the waiting notice constantly while the notice almost never appeared with version 7.6.33. So, I'm inclined to think there is some problem somewhere and this looks like a likely location. If not, it's a good start anyway.
Any suggestions on curing the errors and moving on?
According to Charlie, the change between .33 and .34 was minimal, only to accommodate the missing Notices when seen under OS X 10.12.4 and above. He asks that you return to 7.6.33 if that's possible and see if the problem continues. Another option is to download 7.6.34 again and reinstall it, just in the minute possibility you got a corrupt download.
3679) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Compiling BOINC Manager 7.7 in Ubuntu 14.04.5 (Message 79538)
Posted 11 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to Chris and Charlie.
3680) Message boards : Questions and problems : Hovering message won't go away (Message 79537)
Posted 11 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reproducible. Forwarded to the back.

10 minutes later: fixed. :)
3681) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79530)
Posted 11 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Finally! The new Public Service Broadcasting CD, Every Valley, is in. Am listening to it right now. Yeah, Old School a CD, I know. But at least I can rip that one myself in the quality I like (320 bits). Putting the 'do not disturb' sign up. See ya all in 45 minutes.

Yep, definitely liking this CD.
So far The Pit is my favorite, because of use of the cellos and violas.
3682) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC can't detect RX 480 (Message 79512)
Posted 8 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know what happens if AMD is listed first and detected properly and then the client crashes. Will AMD be used or will any failure result in no devices used.
I would assume that neither device will be listed, because it's the OpenCL detection that crashes.
3683) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC can't detect RX 480 (Message 79508)
Posted 8 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Juha, an RX480 is an AMD GPU.
@OP, usually when the GPU cannot be detected it's a driver problem. Including when it gives that error message.
Question though, does that machine only have an AMD GPU, or also another brand GPU? You may be required to install drivers for those as well, and then just decide not to use them.
3684) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU's listed in event manager log incl. "use all co-processors", but no (NVidia) GPU WUs being issued. (Gridcoin/GRCPool.com Manager) (Message 79489)
Posted 6 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may have set to use the GPU, but have you also set that the projects are allowed to send work? As far as I know you can set in an account manager that certain projects should send no work to your client, just as you'd normally do in BOINC Manager with the No New Tasks setting.
3685) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU's listed in event manager log incl. "use all co-processors", but no (NVidia) GPU WUs being issued. (Gridcoin/GRCPool.com Manager) (Message 79487)
Posted 6 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
So you highlighted what BOINC says you should do, go to your account manager and allow there to get tasks for the correct GPU for those projects. If you already set that, it's possible the GRC account manager has a bug, but that's something you'd have to take up with their maintainers.
3686) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project SRBase not communicating with BOINC Manager (Message 79483)
Posted 6 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see that they changed their URL from http://srbase.myfirewall.org/sr5/ to http://srbase.my-firewall.org/sr5/, with a dash between my and firewall in the address. You'll find their website is up&running there, I assume you'll have to use the same new address to add the project to BOINC.

I'll tell David to change the URLs in all the appropriate places, although it would ever be so nice if projects did that themselves.
3687) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What's new in 7.8.0?? (Message 79482)
Posted 6 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Until I figure out how to get the 7.8 branched from my main source code, a thing I have absolutely no hurry in trying to figure out, I've put the release messages from David and Charlie here. They show in short what changes there are.
3688) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 79481)
Posted 6 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
I released 7.8.0 for testing (Windows 32 and 64, with and without VBox).

Alpha testers: this is a potential public release candidate;
please test it thoroughly, including the VBox versions.

Changes relative to 7.7.2:

- Vbox installers have Vbox 5.1.22 rather than 5.1.18 (should work on Win 10)

minor changes:
- On startup, show alternate platforms
- On startup, show account manager name if using one
- Don't crash if can't open gui_rpc_auth.cfg
- Fix display of max disk usage

support for future features (not testable at this point):
- Add mechanism for account managers to send opaque data to schedulers
- Include peak FLOPS in GPU descriptions sent to AMs and schedulers
- Add GUI RPCs for read/write app_config.xml files (for BOINCTasks)

-- David


Charlie Fenton wrote:
BOINC 7.8.0 for Macintosh is available for testing.

In addition to the changes mentioned for Windows, the Mac build has extensive modifications to replace deprecated system calls with ones currently recommended by Apple, to ensure continued compatibility with future versions of Mac OS X. Please test thoroughly.

Cheers,
--Charlie Fenton
3689) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79476)
Posted 6 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No idea on which game. I think if it was me I'd choose Morrowind because there's a bear in it.
**Jaw drops on the floor**

She knows Morrowind?
3690) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 79470)
Posted 5 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those wondering what the codes were...

OV = On Vacation
MI = Melting Icecream (it was hot that week, 35C and over)
WT = Week Two (or With Tan)
GtL = Going to Limburg (although in the end we ended up someplace else. equally as fun)
TwiL + TS = Too wet in Limburg + Thunder Storms
Dark = my mood went down, back into depressive state
UltOL = Unwillingly listening to O* Live - a yearly one day festive thing in the park across the street, with lots of live music. It's loud, but luckily only one day.
tG = to Groningen
DA = Dark Again

Not sure how, but I ended up with a jaw- and throat infection that has put me down the past days. Can't get anti-inflammatory meds as the only ones available for this I am allergic to, my tongue swells up then. So instead I'm gurgling with salt water and licking water ice. We do still have two more days of the vacation, Holly isn't to be back at work until Friday, but we've decided to stay home for now. I'm sleeping a lot.

Thanks to all the people who kept my spirits up via private message and email. It is appreciated.
Now, what shall I go play now? Mafia 3, Skyrim the Special Edition, Elder Scrolls Morrowind, or Tier 1 of Wildlands? Sigh. :)
3691) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 79469)
Posted 5 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Helmut Kohl, 87, German politician (Chancellor, Minister-President of Rhineland-Palatinate)
Michael Nyqvist, 56, Swedish actor (Millennium, Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol, John Wick)
Frans Maas, 79, Dutch yachtbuilder and sailor
Tom Blom, 70, Dutch radio & TV presenter
3692) Message boards : BOINC client : System reboots if BONIC is running and user re-engages computer after 15min. Win10 x64 (Message 79468)
Posted 5 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I would rather see is the log part at the moment it resets your computer. You should be able to lift that from the stdoutdae.txt file in the data directory.
3693) Message boards : Questions and problems : Since Windows 10 Insider Build 16226, computer is always "busy" (Message 79467)
Posted 5 Jul 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd feel you best post this at the Microsoft forums and the BOINC Alpha email list (requires registration). It being an insider version, things can still change before it's going out to the public. So this can well be a bug in that Win10 version, which is then for Microsoft to fix, instead of for BOINC to fix (and probably break the same idle detection on all other Windows versions).

When it's a true code change that Microsoft says they're going to stay with, there's always time for it to be added to BOINC code.
3694) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging account manager traffic (Message 79337)
Posted 26 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a way to log traffic to/from the account manager? I've looked at the event log settings and nothing there seems to apply.

Communications between BOINC and an AC happen via remote procedure call (RPC), so in that case the sched_op_debug flag catches all that information. The communication information is also stored in the acct_mgr_request.xml and acct_mgr_reply.xml files, found in the data directory.
3695) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Mac client] 7.6.34 - Manager cannot connect to client (Message 79067)
Posted 16 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know much about Macs, so will have to leave the answer to that to one of our Mac gurus.
3696) Message boards : Questions and problems : Runing Boinc without GUI on Windows (Message 79066)
Posted 16 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you want to run BOINC as not a service so you can use your GPU, you can just start the client (boinc.exe) via a desktop shortcut: To automate that when starting Windows, do:
- right click an open space on the desktop
- New
- Shortcut
- Browse to the BOINC programs directory, e.g. C:\Program Files\BOINC and choose boinc.exe
- add behind it on the line --detach_console, make sure it falls outside the quotation marks if these are around the path.
-- the path should look like this: <code>"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach_console</code> with the quotation marks there because of the space in the path. --detach_console closes the Windows command-line window but leaves BOINC running.
- click Next
- fill in a name for your link, e.g. BOINC client
- click Finish

You can add this link to your C:\Users\{username}AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup directory to have it start up at Windows login.
Logging off will stop these calculations again.
3697) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager also exiting when closing minimised window (Message 79060)
Posted 16 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
How do you close the window when it's minimized? You mean right-click->Exit?
That will exit the client and any running tasks when you once did File->Exit->Checked "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager" and checked "Remember this decision and do not show this dialog."->OK.

You can get the exit dialog back by starting BOINC Manager->Options->Other options->Check "Enable Manager exit dialog?"->OK.
3698) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Mac client] 7.6.34 - Manager cannot connect to client (Message 79059)
Posted 16 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is the client actually running? BOINC consists of two main programs, the client - which does all the scheduling, caching and up&downloading - and the manager - which allows you to command and control the client through a GUI. Normally the message that the manager cannot connect to the client happens when you do start the manager, but the client hasn't started yet. So check that.
3699) Message boards : Web interfaces : No such account but i can login? (Message 79058)
Posted 16 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi! So my problem is that i registered a new account and I can log into it
Where did you register the new account? If here, that account is just for these forums, it's not for any of the projects under BOINC. All BOINC projects are individual entities that aren't linked to each other.

We don't have teams here. You can make a team on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/ and projects will import that - if they have the setting on in their configuration, not all do.

But otherwise you will have to register your account separately at all projects, or if you want to do that just once go via a BOINC Account Manager - such as BAM! or GridRepublic.
3700) Message boards : GPUs : XFX RMA Question (Message 79030)
Posted 15 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to https://hardforum.com/threads/xfx-how-long-of-a-turn-around-on-an-rma.1634752/ you can expect a week, with the actual RMA taking longer.
3701) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why no GPU tasks? (Message 79029)
Posted 15 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
2017-06-14 20:06:42 | | General prefs: from https://www.grcpool.com/ (last modified ---)
2017-06-14 20:06:42 | | Computer location: home
2017-06-14 20:06:42 | | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
2017-06-14 20:06:42 | | Reading preferences override file
He's using general preferences (default, ---) via his account manager, but his computer's location is home. There are no preferences for home, so it's using the general preferences location (default, ---). If the GPU is chosen at the home location, but NOT at the default location, you get these weird requests.

Amount of work etc. is requested via local preferences.
3702) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why no GPU tasks? (Message 79024)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are your project preferences set to? Is your GPU of choice checked there?
Is it on the correct venue/location, in your case 'home'?
3703) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78989)
Posted 13 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit:
13/06/2017 09:01:29 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 172 new tasks
Hoarder. Is that for CPU and GPU together?
3704) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL 2.0 "File not found" FFS! (Message 78967)
Posted 13 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
6/13/2017 1:10:05 PM | Einstein@Home | Output file LATeah0031L_948.0_0_0.0_5139225_0_0 for task LATeah0031L_948.0_0_0.0_5139225_0 absent
6/13/2017 1:10:05 PM | Einstein@Home | Output file LATeah0031L_948.0_0_0.0_5139225_0_1 for task LATeah0031L_948.0_0_0.0_5139225_0 absent
These usually happen when you have an overzealous anti virus or other anti-malware program actively scanning the BOINC data directory and its sub-directories and it's seeing the calculations as something suspicious, so blocking them.

Set the BOINC data directory and all files and sub-directories within in the exceptions in your anti-virus/anti-malware program.
3705) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL 2.0 "File not found" FFS! (Message 78961)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently my AMD 5750 GPU requires OpenCL 2.0
No, your GPU is OpenCL 1.2 compliant.

It can use drivers for OpenCL 2.0, but will only do at maximum OpenCL 1.2 calculations. It won't understand the instructions of later OpenCL versions.

What's wrong with the AMD 15.7.1 legacy driver? That is the maximum driver you can use to get OpenCL, any driver above that is only for Graphics Card Next (GCN) type GPUs, meaning the AMD HD7700 and above.

Your AMD HD7790 is the only HD7000 series GPU that is OpenCL compliant, all others are OpenCL 1.2
OpenCL compliancy can only be upgraded through hardware, not through drivers. Compare it to DirectX, which can also only upgrade through hardware, not by installing a newer DirectX on your OS (or in this case, when you're getting Windows 10 with DX12, all your GPUs still run only DX11).
3706) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78959)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Dutch cabinet formation has again failed. The VVD (conservative-liberal party), CDA (Christian-democratic party), D'66 (social-liberal party) and GroenLinks (green-progressive party) have again not managed to overcome their differences to become a cabinet.

Lucky us, because the plans GroenLinks have for everyone driving a car, and everyone eating meat are really bad. As if we aren't taxed enough, they'll want us to pay per kilometer of driven asphalt on top of road taxes and all the taxes we already pay per liter of gasoline. (over the 1 liter Euro95 at €1.628 a liter, we pay 47% consumer-tax, 17% tax, 11% marketing-cost, and 25% production. The real cost of 1 liter of Euro95 is € 0,772).
They'll want to introduce that tax for everyone, whether you drive for work or in your free time. Of course they themselves come by chauffeured car.
Nothing said about adding a high tax on meat. Completely stark staring mad.

We had our general elections the 15th of March.
3707) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78955)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like that link on the right more - for us foreigners: Confused by UK politics? You're not alone. Although I would think even the residential Brits are a bit confused by now. :)
3708) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78951)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
State of Maryland and DC file lawsuit against President Trump for "flagrantly violating the Constitution"
Source (Twitter)

Maryland and D.C. sue Trump over foreign payments
A lawsuit filed Monday in federal court says Trump is violating the Constitution's Foreign Emoluments Clause, which prohibits the president from accepting payments from foreign governments without the consent of Congress.

The suit cites the president's luxury hotel in Washington, which has been at the center of concerns about conflicts of interest, and his worldwide network of hotels, golf courses and other commercial properties.
Maryland and the district also argue that they themselves are being harmed economically -- because their businesses have to compete with Trump's, and because their governments face pressure to provide Trump with permits and tax breaks.

"The president is bound by oath to 'faithfully execute' his office and 'preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States," the lawsuit says, and the president must "disentangle his private finances" from domestic or foreign powers to honor that oath.
"Never before has a President acted with such disregard for this constitutional prescription," it says.
3709) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78948)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've got my alarm set for HIGNFY. :)
3710) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78945)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I could rename the title of this thread to "My Project is Down Cafe", but will leave that to the discretion of Gary to decide upon.
3711) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78944)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you can get the BOINC developers to make the board look as it does now, so the ignore function actually ignores, yes there is hope. As long as it says psssst click here to see an ad hominem attack, there is no hope.
As long as you can fill in the link in another browser where you're not logged in, so to see the whole message, it's more something you'll have to work on for yourself to suppress the desire to click the Click here to view hidden posts or to fill in the link into the browser where you're not logged in. Perhaps what we need is a BOINC forums app.

In the mean time, the moderator team likes Richard's solution, so we'll use that.
I'll slam the door to the forums shut behind me on Friday afternoon/evening (depends on our schedule) and you all go about your business. If trouble happens in this thread, Kath or Bernie come by and lock it, no warning or reason given. If the atrocities are even of that manner, they may even hide the whole thing. I'll look at it when I'm back.

However:
- Any new politics thread will be locked as well.
- Posts with a political load in other threads will be hidden.
- We will let these restrictions go if another big attack happens during my vacation and you all need an outlet to talk about it. A new temporary thread may then be opened.
3712) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 78928)
Posted 11 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
But doesn't OS X format the filesystem to Hierarchical File System Plus, which Windows can't read? Or was it formatted to FAT32? Certainly not as NTFS, because as far as my research shows it would only format that to read-only (whatever the use is of that).
3713) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78918)
Posted 11 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boris Johnson Whatsapping Tory MPs urging them "to calm down and get behind the Prime Minister", https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/873904648062717954
3714) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78907)
Posted 11 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold
US president told Theresa May he did not want trip to go ahead if there were large-scale public protests

Pack your tomatoes and eggs back in the cellar.

Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.
3715) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78902)
Posted 11 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fishing for your opinion, Mark. I wouldn't mind everyone else's views on this. And do so in the open, so that everyone can read it all.

How am I as bad as Chris?
It's true I haven't had to moderate this thread since he was on a forced vacation, isn't it? That's neither flaming nor fishing, just the truth. It shows everyone can behave themselves now, so what changes when Chris is on the forums? Why can't people behave then? It's almost a scientific challenge.

Luckily you'll be rid of me for two weeks as well, as my vacation's coming to town.
From Friday the 16th till Sunday the 2nd I will be unavailable.

Not sure yet what I should to do with this thread.
Lock it?
Leave it standing and see after the two weeks who came crawling out of the octagon, bleeding but winning?
It'll be two weeks of unmoderated posting if I leave it open, as none of the other moderators have to moderate here. well, unless you all can't behave yourselves and are using the wall stones to ram your opinion into one another.
3716) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78900)
Posted 11 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things are whizzing and zooming about. There's a lot of laughing matter entering my life. Thanks for that.

Has anyone here noticed something? Yes, I haven't had to be a moderator in this thread since Wednesday.
Would it be at all possible that coming Wednesday this can continue? That when Mr. S comes back that you all please please ignore all his jibes, even when he himself can't find it in him to ignore you(rs)?

You'd make my week complete. :)

(7 edits for jibes... injoke)
3717) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78895)
Posted 10 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
*long slow blink* and was wondering which oath that would be... ;)
He probably meant the cereal grain.
3718) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 78892)
Posted 10 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adam West, 88, American actor, (1960s tv series Batman, Family Guy).
3719) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notice from server (Message 78884)
Posted 10 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I believe it gets set to 1 when you have tried to run a VBox task without having VT-x enabled in the Bios.
Unfortunately once set by Boinc it doesn't reset it (to 0) when VT-x is enabled, it has to be done manually.
Thanks for that. Learned something new. :)
3720) Message boards : News : NSF funds new model for BOINC (Message 78883)
Posted 10 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have two buttons via which you can answer to people:
- the Reply button which gives you an empty reply box, where you can add your little ditty.
- the Quote button, which quotes the whole text, for you to the whittle down (with use of Shift + Delete, of Backspace) to the part you want to answer to, or if the post isn't biblical in proportions, the whole post.
Both these buttons give the in response to Message N line at the top, always showing which post you answered to.

The 'normal' Post to thread button just allows you to post to the thread, not specifically answering to anyone.

To look up what part of BBcoide works here, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/bbcode.php. There are a couple more tags that aren't documented that work as well.

By the way, I didn't read the long post as an advert for Gridcoin, more like an opinion on how things can be made better/worse/different than they are now.
3721) Message boards : News : NSF funds new model for BOINC (Message 78879)
Posted 10 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
When quoting previous long posts in this thread, and adding a little ditty to it, can people please take the time to cut the quoted material down so it doesn't comprehend the complete quoted post? Keep in mind that there are people reading these forums on small devices, like mobile phones and that that's quite a bit of scrolling to do.
3722) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78867)
Posted 9 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Found it. Apparently this user had some form of spam in their account because the top 3 new users are 73837, 73836 and 73804, while this 'user' had ID 73821. Seeing from the gaps in the top 3, we miss a lot of accounts, meaning that the spam filter went by and deleted all of those for reasons only the spam filter knows. Solved.

No need for me to Pm the 'person' back, because he won't be able to access the account. Its authenticator has been removed, thereby nullifying the account.
3723) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78865)
Posted 9 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wonder what to do when I do get emails from this project about PMs, but never got the corresponding PM? Hmmmm....
3724) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78854)
Posted 9 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can one of you explain in simple words how the election process in the UK works and what options there are?
3725) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78853)
Posted 9 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome to our world. We had our general elections March 15, 2017. We still haven't got a new cabinet. Still a lot of negotiations going on, but no certain outcome.
3726) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78841)
Posted 9 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric Korpela wrote:
It was a DNS issue. The fix hasn't quite propagated to everyone yet, but we're getting there.
3727) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notice from server (Message 78829)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, and the BIOS version is which?
What kind of i7 is it?
3728) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where is my GPU?! (Message 78828)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok, i will reinstall everything after i toss the 4350 back into the machine.
suggestions for which projects these cards might be best used for are welcome.
i will continue poking about until i get things running satisfactorily, but these lower level and lower power consumption cards are all i am willing to use at this juncture.
i have other plans for my pair of 7790s
The 4350 only has Beta OpenCL 1.0 support and isn't really of good use for any project, well bar maybe Collatz Conjecture. It requires an even older legacy driver (13.4 if I am not mistaken), and no newer driver. This may give problems for the 6450. So if I were you I wouldn't add the 4350.

The 4350 cannot make use of the newer legacy driver for the 6450.

By the way, if you want to use the Intel GPU together with the AMD GPU you don't need the cc_config.xml file with use_all_gpus, as this option is only needed if you want to use more than one GPU of the same brand (e.g. 2 Nvidia or 2 AMD). Since Intel and AMD are two different brands, BOINC will allow you to use both of them by default.
3729) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where is my GPU?! (Message 78822)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
07-Jun-17 11:17:48 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6350/6450/7450/7470/R5 230 series (Caicos) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 1024MB, 991MB available, 400 GFLOPS peak)
This shows that the AMD GPU is detected, but as you said, not for OpenCL. Which drivers did you install? Or did you let Windows install the drivers?

If Windows, those drivers usually lack the OpenCL component.
If you installed the drivers yourself, which ones did you take? Crimson 15.11 and above only have OpenCL support for GCN (Graphics Card Next) GPUs, which the 6450 isn't one of. These start at the AMD Radeon HD 7700 series.

My advise is to uninstall the present AMD driver and install the Catalyst 15.7.1 Legacy driver. Set Windows not to auto-update the driver, or else you'll be in this situation again.

Is it worth while to use the Intel GPU? No, not the HD Graphics 4000.
And it isn't so much that BOINC wants to use the GPUs. It just detects what's there, but then it's up to you to decide if you want to use them via the project preferences. Not all projects support all GPUs.
3730) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where is my GPU?! (Message 78816)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Like the other person said, can you please post the first 30 orso messages from the event log? That gives us a lot of information to work with.

Press CTRL+SHIFT+E to open the event log. Scroll to the appropriate direction to get to the start of the log, then select the first message, an while holding down SHIFT scroll to line 30/40, then choose that line. Click 'Copy selected' and paste those here.
3731) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78811)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like they're having some fun in Chatham for the next two weeks :-)
Ah Michiel de Ruyter and Cornelis de Wit doing exactly what the English fleet had done 8 months earlier at Vlieland and Terschelling, burning 150 Dutch ships and killing approx. 2,000 sailors.
Here I thought you'd be celebrating the Viking raid on the abbey at Lindisfarne in 793, or George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four being published in 1949.
3732) Message boards : News : NSF funds new model for BOINC (Message 78810)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you keep the personal attacks out of the conversation, please?
3733) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notice from server (Message 78809)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have downloaded your Motherboard Manual, in section 3.2 (page 3-3 and further) it says here you start in EZ Mode, where it shows you the status of the Intel Virtualization Technology. If you cannot change it here, press F7 to go to Advanced Mode, click Advanced at the top of the screen, click CPU Configuration, click Intel Virtualization Technology.

There is a separate VT-d under Advanced\System Agent (SA) Configuration. This allows you to use the GPU in virtual machines.

Use the Exit menu to save changes & reset.
3734) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notice from server (Message 78789)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may also want to check on the motherboard's web page if there is a new BIOS for that one. Especially when it's a new motherboard, they go through various revisions and modifications for stability.
3735) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notice from server (Message 78787)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are both of them the same VirtualBox?
For the i7 that has the message, when you go into its BIOS, is the VT-x option enabled?
3736) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 78777)
Posted 7 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fan mail:

Chris S wrote:
You really are pathetic. Last time you banned me for a month because I called you a bully, which is exactly what you are.

This time I stood up against the biggest two trolls in Boinc, Pat Daly and Gary Charpentier, and what do you do? Pander to them by hiding my perfectly reasonable thread, and ban me for a week. Yes we all know now they are your best mates, funny company you keep, and it will be commented upon.

But yes, nobody was surprised to read your admission that you are receiving treatment by a psychologist for depression, it has been obvious for some time now that you aren't in full control of your faculties. Bernie is on board now, and Kathryn is almost back in harness.

For gods sake man go, and go now. else you will be pushed.

I am sorry, but David will now be receiving yet another international airmail signed for letter to the SSL complaining about you. He will be getting fed up with receiving yet another one, just as i am fed up having to write them.
I feel sorry for him, for his state of mind. I do hope that he will see the light and that he may need talking with a psychologist as well. It's helped me a lot these past months. And you know what, Chris? You won't get me down with your relentless attacks.
3737) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78765)
Posted 7 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post without your signature. You can disable your signature on individual posts by unchecking the Add my signature to this post. When posting in a hurry, go back to edit your post and uncheck it please.
3738) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC Politics thread (Message 78754)
Posted 7 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go on then, there is plenty of need for it. Go have your discussions about the new man in the White House, in Germany, In The Netherlands, in Wherever. This thread is moderated by Ageless only, but keep in mind that he may have his own views about the argument.

I will not be reading this thread - or these forums - 24/7. When you do find yourself in a flaming argument, take a step back and stop posting. Use the red-x on flame posts. I'll come by as soon as my time allows me to.

The rules:
- No swearing whatsoever.
- No name calling the other guy you're in discussion with.
- No denigrating comments about other posters.
- Keep it civil.
- No ad hominem attacks.
- Please post without your signature. You can disable your signature on individual posts by unchecking the Add my signature to this post. When posting in a hurry, go back to edit your post and uncheck it please.
3739) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78753)
Posted 7 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
One final word on this.
Chris S wrote:
But it is human nature when intellectually overwhelmed to drop onto the back foot and throw insults as the only response back. That's precisely when moderation should step in to call a halt.
You seem to live under the impression that I am 24 hours a day watching this forum only, to see what people are writing here, that I have no life of my own, need no sustenance, sleep or relaxation.

The point where I stepped in yesterday and asked everyone to stop the attacks, was 5 hours, 33 minutes and 8 seconds after your initial provocation. Including in that time is the time I took to do grocery shopping for my mom, cleaning her house, throwing out the plastic and garbage, driving to and fro, putting my own grocery-shoppings in the cupboard and fridge/freezer, eating a sandwich, going out again, talking with my psychologist about my ongoing depression - but that I see things more positive now, coming back home from within the wind and rain, making myself a cup of tea, then watching what was happening on the forums, and writing the post. If I read you right, I should've been there at 8:35 am to reprimand you for being provocative.

Maybe that you should search your own conscience for the solution for next time, and not provoke? Not start with Ah, I wondered when our resident left wing sage and guru, the expert upon world affairs, would surface. or things like So stop knocking the UK, if you don't like living here, go and live somewhere else OK? In the meantime I WILL oppose you. I will support home rule for the IOW, the sooner the better. Then we can set up passport control at Portsmouth and Lymngton., without accepting the view others have on those statements, and that those others are in their fullest right to answer you in the way that they did? You and Sirius had enough time to say "okay enough, let's stop it here, before moderation kicks in" but apparently you were 'in the moment', so when I did step in and asked to pipe down you made me the bad guy?

Ah yes, of course, it's because Sirius and Gary are my so-called mates... Only Cheers! is my mate, mate, can't you see that from his new nickname?

I'm locking this thread now, I don't need an answer to this post.
Go post in the new BOINC Politics thread. While you can have heated discussions there, I would urge to ask you all to keep it civil, no attacks on the person whatsoever, only attacks on the substance of the argument.
3740) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78711)
Posted 6 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric is looking in the email rejection logs if there are any bounces from your email addresses.
3741) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78709)
Posted 6 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did send headers of emails as received on my Gmail addresses from Seti, BOINC and the boinc_* mailer to Jeff, Eric, Matt and David this morning. David assured me they would look into things.
3742) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78703)
Posted 6 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord is biased simple as that. Certain people can say what they want, and others have no right of reply. That to me is not fair.
It's never good enough. If I say nothing, you send mad emails to David that I am not doing my job and need to be removed for that reason.
Do I say something, you post mad posts in the forums that I am biased and that everyone else is my mate and you aren't and that they can say what they want and you cannot reply. And then you email David that I need to be removed for that reason.

The warning earlier and now was for everyone who actively posts in this thread. I have for ease taken the last 8 people and named them by their real name, and ended it with et al meaning and others. So it's a warning to everyone who posts in this thread. No exceptions. Besides, knowing Annie, she'd PM me asking me why I gave a warning to everyone else and not her. She does see the humor in some posts.

Now, as for your personal attacks on me, I will leave that to my fellow moderators to decide on. I will not have any interaction with them over this, other than ask them to come take a look and see what will be the outcome from the side lines.
3743) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78691)
Posted 6 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bernie isn't taking over. He will not moderate this thread, this is my domain. He's allowed to post his opinion in this thread but is under the same rules as everyone else. He knows that, now you do too.

I have asked on the 26th of May that everyone stop the ad hominem attacks on everyone else. You yelled at me and threw threat after tantrum after threat, that so that's probably why you didn't get the request at the time and continued your offensive.

But now do know I am telling everyone, you, Pat, Gary, Bernie, Mark, Richard, Andy, Annie et al to stop the attacks on others. If you cannot, I'll start using different methods.

Clear enough for you?
3744) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 78684)
Posted 6 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sandra Reemer, 66, Dutch singer, TV presenter.
3745) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78682)
Posted 6 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please everyone stop the personal attacks and ad hominem attacks.
Argumentum ad hominem, is now usually understood as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

You can easily have a discussion about the level of security in Britain without having to tell others to leave (the country), get off their high horse, or anything like that. While it may make for entertaining reading, making me wonder where this will go if left unabridged, I'm stopping it here. If you want to continue this conversation in this way, please make use of the private message option.
3746) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78661)
Posted 6 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I got the email from David to <boinc_projects> about hiding the zip code request.
Mailman is on a whole different server group, nothing to do with BOINC or Seti. It's sent out by Berkeley itself.

Mails from BOINC and Seti seem to be sent out by a whole different ISP.
See http://www.whatip.com/ip/128.32.0.0 versus http://www.whatip.com/ip/208.68.0.0 (For Seti, more specifically http://www.whatip.com/ip/208.68.240.0)

Mailman has as ISP University of California.
Seti/BOINC has as ISP Vinakom Communications, from Illinois.

Perhaps that there's a problem there.
3747) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78654)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, by adding Bernie, David had inadvertently removed my email address. Fixed now. I get moderation emails again. :)

In the mean time I used some site blacklist checkers to see if Seti and BOINC are on (email) blacklists. The only I found is some Russian filter - the irony.
You can use http://mail-blacklist-checker.online-domain-tools.com/, https://www.ultratools.com/tools/spamDBLookup, and https://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx for your own checks. If you haven't done so yet, you should also ask your ISP if they block *.berkeley.edu
3748) Message boards : Documentation : Drill Down by ZIP? (Message 78652)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
At one point we were interested in where (geographically) the computing power was coming from, within countries.
However, we never did anything with this info, and I think we should remove it from the signup form.


And from boinc_projects email list:
David Anderson wrote:
We were asking for postal code (optional) on registration.
The purpose was to let projects study the geographical distribution of their volunteers.
But AFAIK no one ever did this, and some volunteers have said (understandably, I think)
that asking for postal code seems like an invasion of privacy.

So I conditioned the postal-code code on a boolean constant POSTAL_CODE.
If you put define('POSTAL_CODE', true); in your html/project/project.inc, you'll get the old behavior.
Otherwise users won't see postal-code related stuff any more.

-- David
3749) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78651)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, but there's something icky going on because I didn't get those emails either.
That may have to do with David adding Bernie to the correct file, or perhaps that the whole email server is down. Can you otherwise PM me?
I usually get those emails...
3750) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78649)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you get moderation emails? For the hiding of your posts?
I'll test with your post here, will hide it and put it back. You tell me if you get the emails of it.

edit: 15 minutes on and even I haven't gotten the email yet... something else got broken there. ;-)
3751) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78639)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, it's good to see that no one on his team has taken away his Twitter privileges yet, so he can make an absolute fool of himself:
Donal Trump wrote:
People, the lawyers and the courts can call it whatever they want, but I am calling it what we need and what it is, a TRAVEL BAN!
The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.
In any event we are EXTREME VETTING people coming into the U.S. in order to help keep our country safe. The courts are slow and political!

"It clearly shows his intent," the Maryland Democrat told CNN's Alisyn Camerota on "New Day" Monday. "His lawyers try to justify it by saying it wasn't a travel ban, but it was extreme vetting. The President made that clear. It is a travel ban."
Oops?

Nothing said about his bullying of Mayor Khan of London.
Apparently no one has dared tell him yet that all of the attacks that happened in the UK these past months, were done by people who were born there or have lived there for a lot of years. Which has happened with the last couple of terrorist shootings and bombings in the USA as well. And will probably happen again.

In any case, a travel ban from a couple of countries - and not Saudi Arabia, the foremost exporter of terrorists - isn't going to help much. But hey, it'll give Trump something to shout about and the rest of the world to laugh him under the table.
3752) Message boards : Questions and problems : I've helped Seti and Boinc for years and need help (Message 78634)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
the SETI@home website: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/
As far as I know, that address there is the old address for the Seti Beta project. The full address being setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta to differentiate from Seti@Home which has always been at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/. Older BOINC clients couldn't see the difference between the main project being at https://setiathome.berkeley.edu and the Beta project being at setiathome.berkeley.edu/beta/, they would switch between the projects and throw lots of work away. Which is why Beta went to its own address, being setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta.

Mind, both resolve to the same server, and could be used, but it's better to use the main address for Seti@Home that everyone uses and the client points to as well: setiathome.berkeley.edu

With the advent of browsers wanting everyone to use HTTPS, it's even better to immediately point to https://setiathome.berkeley.edu.
3753) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG keeps inserting itself as my account manager (Message 78627)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have never used WCG's website to modify any preferences.
From Account managers in the BOINC WIki: World Community Grid does not support updating preferences through an account manager. On site profile changing remains needed.

Your last returned task for WCG is 31/Jan/2017, very close to the date it says on the WCG date for preferences.

If you set the preferences at WCG at a later time than the preferences at BAM, the preferences from WCG are used.
You can fix that by editing the preferences at WCG and saving them to a later date, like today, then resyncing with BAM.
Or perhaps that BAM lost your preferences, or lost the venue.
3754) Message boards : Documentation : Drill Down by ZIP? (Message 78619)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You know, I got to thinking about the postal code... why do we even have a postal code field??
That I don't know, so I asked the original developers.
3755) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78618)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another Gulf War in the making? Wannabe superpowers take sides? Another tidal wave of refugees?
Will be a quick war then, I just read that 80 percent of the population of the 2 million inhabitants in Qatar are foreign people, they don't even have Qatari citizenship. That leaves some 400,000 citizens, not all of which can be in the military.

They say Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda
As do Sunnite rich folk in Saudi Arabia, but then it's all okay it seems.

So, when reading The Daily Mail article why do we need to be reminded every possible moment that one of the attackers possibly wore an Arsenal shirt? Are all wearers of Arsenal shirts automatically bad? Are all fans of Arsenal bad?

One of the men appeared to be wearing an Arsenal football shirt
He was pictured, having been shot dead by police, lying on the ground in an Arsenal shirt.
The Arsenal-shirted jihadi
Arsenal jihadi:
the man who was pictured in an Arsenal shirt
knew the killer in the Arsenal shirt

Okay, the last two could be used to point out the killer, as opposed to the other two whose shirts we don't know about. See how he went from appearing to be wearing the shirt to wearing the shirt in the course of the same article?
3756) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc screensaver & Creators Update (Microsoft, Win10) (Message 78603)
Posted 4 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As has been said in the post above yours, this problem was already fixed by Microsoft: get update KB4020102. Next time please read the whole thread, in cases such as this, where it's been fixed already.
3757) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78578)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sad: London Bridge attack.
3758) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Weak Account Key (Message 78577)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Android development is at a stand still. General BOINC development is done by users these days, if you want to have that added, you either have to do it yourself, or ask via an issue at BOINC's Github pages.
3759) Message boards : Documentation : Drill Down by ZIP? (Message 78576)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, but is that then exported to the statistics sites?

edit: I have just downloaded the user statistics file from Seti@Home, there's no mention of postal code in it in all its 512MB (opened it with Lister). Not of Zip code either. So not, it isn't exported.
3760) Message boards : Documentation : Drill Down by ZIP? (Message 78571)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
How do you want to do that when BOINC doesn't collect that information?
3761) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 78570)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jack O'Neill, 94, US surf wet-suit pioneer.
3762) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 78560)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Errors that show when reporting a post:
Warning: Missing argument 6 for show_post(), called in /mydisks/a/users/boincadm/projects/dev/html/user/forum_report_post.php on line 89 and defined in /mydisks/a/users/boincadm/projects/dev/html/inc/forum.inc on line 493
3763) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can`t register (Message 78559)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll leave this one for Christian Beer, he'll have more of an insight into what happens at Einstein than I do. I'll ask him to make a pass by. Can't say when that is, though, with the weekend and holiday.
3764) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 78556)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm...
Warning: shell_exec(): Unable to execute '/home/boincadm/projects/sah/bin/apache_running_on_host synergy'
Sounds like that's what was happening to the Seti web server yesterday.
3765) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can`t register (Message 78555)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless you want the whole world to know your email address, including all the spam bots that pass by on here, I suggest you edit your post and take out the email address. I cannot do that for you, I cannot edit user's posts. You can edit posts until one hour after you posted it.

http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/

This is the old address of Einstein. The new address every version should have been updated to is https://einsteinathome.org/, else try using that in the address bar in the Add Project wizard, then choose new user. For that matter, which BOINC version do you use? If not at least 7.6.33 may I ask which operating system you use and where you got your BOINC from?

I find the new web site of Einstein very user unfriendly, with its Join Now section minimalist and not well written. As if it was done in a great hurry without eye for detail. There is no register option on the web site, as far as I can find. According to them you can only register via signing up through BOINC (Manager).
3766) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78551)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No discount?
3767) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78549)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ban them beards for security reasons: Mears, a major UK contractor does so for Health and Security reasons.
3768) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG keeps inserting itself as my account manager (Message 78547)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
From BAM's website: World Community Grid only supports reading data from the project. BAM! can't update settings! meaning that if you set the preferences at WCG, that BAM can only read them, but if you then set preferences through BAM, they cannot be updated on the WCG website.

But to get to the bottom of that, you best ask this at either the World Community Grid forums or the BAM forums, as they're better of answering these things than we are.
3769) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 78544)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Back to Einstein being a bad project for new users.

I was looking at their Join Now section, and it's abysmal.
The new user section https://einsteinathome.org/join has 3 options... well, it has 3 points, but after point two there's nothing.
It's as if the maker would come back to it at a later time and never again did, doesn't fricking care.

But it gets worse, for when you click on "I'm a BOINC user" you get the following:

If you're already running BOINC, select Add Project.

If you're running a command-line version of BOINC, first use the BOINC Manager software (elsewhere if necessary) to create an an account at this project, then use that account to connect with the command-line version.

If you're running a pre-5.0 version of BOINC, please upgrade to a more recent version to create an account at this project.

So what to do after the Add Project? Not even telling how to get to Add Project, people will have to guess?
If you're running a command-line version of BOINC... you usually do that because you cannot run BOINC Manager. No explanation on how to use BOINCCMD in that case. And a pre-5 version of BOINC? How old is this text?

The most user friendly option, to register via the website, isn't even there. There's also no user search. There's no option to figure out if a user has already got an account, other than guess by filling in email addresses via the request new password page.
3770) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can`t register (Message 78543)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://einsteinathome.org/ru/faq
If this is the URL you use to add the Einstein Project, do know that ain't it. It's just https://einsteinathome.org/ with nothing trailing that address.

I wonder if your email address is already registered, but that the server just doesn't say that. What happens when you try to get a new password via https://einsteinathome.org/user/password?
3771) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78517)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The forums are back, and have been for at least 35 minutes at the time of me posting this.
3772) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78516)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You tell him, Arnold: Arnold Schwarzenegger has a blunt message for Donald Trump (Twitter video, subtitled).
3773) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78514)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
...or by me either in this house :-))
Continue checking the meters. As has been found here in The Netherlands, there are meters on the market that measure wrong. Despite me having two 'smart' meters, I continue to check them and keep their meter readings in a spreadsheet.

Some 750,000 ‘smart’ electricity meters installed in Dutch homes over the past few years may not work properly, according to researchers at Twente University and Amsterdam’s hbo college.

They found that in some cases, the electricity usage measured by the devices in laboratory tests was wrong by almost 600%.
‘The inaccurate readings are due to the energy meter’s design, together with the increasing use of modern (often energy-efficient) switching devices,’ Twente University said in a statement.

‘The energy meters we tested meet all the legal requirements and are certified. These requirements, however, have not made sufficient allowance for modern switching devices,’ Twente professor Frank Leferink said.
3774) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78497)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it's currently so early, but at the time I sent my email it was just 23:22 in California. I doubt Eric goes to bed at 10pm.
3775) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78495)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I haven't checked yet on the phone in the bedroom which is slowly working away on two tasks, but is it just the web server that's down, or everything?
I did send out an email to Eric at 8:22am but haven't heard back yet.
3776) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78493)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
He just thinks as a company CEO, that the accord was made between companies and that he can get a better deal. Perhaps that someone can give him book C of a children's encyclopedia so he can look up the difference between a country and a company. He knows how to tweet, so it's possible he can read and understand small words.
3777) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78491)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not our most favorite person to quote, but he may very much be right in this: Jean-Claude Juncker warns Donald Trump it will take YEARS for US to leave Paris Agreement
3778) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78479)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Checking the BOINC source code, I see they use CL_DEVICE_GLOBAL_MEM_SIZE which returns Size of global device memory in bytes. So perhaps that the application builder should use that as well?

Edit: Although newer versions of BOINC do report the memory on Nvidia devices wrong when they have more than 4GB of memory, but that's because the value is read as an int (32bit), not as a long long (64bit)
3779) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78477)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
So help me understand, so then the use of 1024 in both places is correct?
Depends on the operating system you use, I see. Mac OS X uses 1000, Windows uses 1024. Personally for memory calculations I always use 1024, thinking of doing so because memory uses bits, and there's only 2 outcomes when using bits. So everything for memory related cases is a power of 2.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte#1024_bytes: They are also used for random-access memory capacities, such as main memory and CPU cache sizes, due to the binary addressing of memory.
3780) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78470)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The kilobyte is a multiple of the unit byte for digital information. The International System of Units (SI) defines the prefix kilo as 1000 (103); therefore one kilobyte is 1000 bytes. The unit symbol for the kilobyte is kB. In information technology, particularly in reference to main memory capacity, kilobyte is traditionally used to denote 1024 (210) bytes.

source
3781) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78447)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I only see two votes - one each in the House and the Senate - that needn't take long :)
First, the House of Representatives votes on one or more articles of impeachment. If at least one gets a majority vote, the president is impeached — which essentially means being indicted. (In both the Nixon and the Clinton cases, the House Judiciary Committee considered the matter first.)

Next, the proceedings move to the Senate, which holds a trial overseen by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.

A team of lawmakers from the House, known as managers, play the role of prosecutors. The president has defense lawyers, and the Senate serves as the jury.

If at least two-thirds of the senators find the president guilty, he is removed, and the vice president takes over as president.

source
3782) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78445)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could somebody please impeach him as quickly as possible

Impeachment isn't a quick process. Read this Wiki part for what's needed.
3783) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78429)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's not much happening during the European night on here, even the spammers seem to keep at bay.

But let's see the numbers:
Charlie Fenton, American, UTC-7
Rom Walton, American, UTC-5
David Anderson, American, UTC-7
Kathryn Marks, American, UTC-5

Christian Beers, German, UTC+2
Bernie Vine, Englishman, UTC+1
Jord van der Elst, Dutch, UTC+2

The last volunteer American moderator we had on here couldn't cope with the pressure and started banishing a project administrator because he didn't agree with what they were saying.

I think that the next one I should be on the lookout for is an Asian or Australian. So that means I should be hunting for Les Baylis. ;-)
Apropos of nothing, I have access to the mod button, and therefore also to the un-mod button. Not that it is a button, but okay.
3784) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78428)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
President Donald Trump has been handing out his cellphone number to world leaders and urging them to call him directly, an unusual invitation that breaks diplomatic protocol and is raising concerns about the security and secrecy of the U.S. commander in chief's communications.

Presidents generally place calls on one of several secure phone lines, including those in the White House Situation Room, the Oval Office or the presidential limousine. Even if Trump uses his government-issued cellphone, his calls are vulnerable to eavesdropping, particularly from foreign governments, national security experts say.

Trump has struggled more than most recent presidents to keep his conversations with world leaders private. His remarks to Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto and Russian diplomats have all leaked, presumably after notes of the conversations were circulated by national security officials.
3785) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78421)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your mention of the moderation list debacle led me to believe it was actual, that there is one going on now. When the crap happened of the 30, I wasn't much on the Seti boards having left over the abuse Misfit and Fuzzy were throwing my way. I spent well over a year on here and other project forums, only returning one year later to find some greater crap had happened.

I haven't been in The Cafe over at Seti in absolute ages. Certainly haven't read any threads there since I stopped being a moderator, I merely pass by on posts when doing searches. So whatever happened in there, shrug, you can tell me anything and I will take it for face value. I'm not in the least interested what happens in there, not now, not ever. I do stand by my principle that I will never post in The Cafe again, hence why you won't see my condolences on friends we lost either.

As for the question, how permanent is permanent then?
You can just discuss why the person here finds my stance over someone else's banishment being revoked a problem, when his own permanent status was lowered to a couple of months and that not being a problem. :)
3786) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78418)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Despite popular believe that moderators everywhere communicate with each other via secret IRC channels, massive barbecue parties and Whatsapp groups, I wouldn't believe everything that's written. In this case I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. If it's not secret, care to enlighten me?
3787) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78411)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, enough with the patronizing posts.
3788) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78409)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ang wrote:
Congratulations, Bernie, on your recent promotion!
I'm so glad someone finally noticed as I was waiting 24 hours before dropping the bomb-shell. :-)
I'm very glad Bernie said yes as I've had my eye on him for some time now. Having a mole inside the moderator team over at Seti pays dividend. Mwahahaha. errr, did I say that out loud?

edit: that was very bad English, starting all my sentences with 'I'..
3789) Message boards : Questions and problems : Frozen on Retrieving Current Status (Message 78391)
Posted 30 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you haven't fixed this yet, download a fresh copy of BOINC and reinstall that.
It's also possible you need to rerun the Mac_SA_Secure.sh after you ran the Mac_SA_Insecure.sh script.
3790) Message boards : Questions and problems : Retrieving current status (Message 78390)
Posted 30 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that both the client (BOINC) and the GUI (BOINC Manager) are running and that they do so from the same account.
It may also be needed to reboot, it is possible something else on your system took control of the RPC port BOINC uses to communicate between its parts: TCP 31416. A reboot may fix that, or you stating via <code>boinc-client --gui_rpc_port [port]</code> which port BOINC should use for its communications.
3791) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 78380)
Posted 30 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Manuel Noriega, 83, Panamanian politician, military officer and dictator.
3792) Message boards : BOINC client : What happened to the iOS client? (Message 78375)
Posted 30 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would probably be possible to do through an account manager, such as GridRepublic. Choose the projects you want to run, and download the client plus applications. But this won't work from the Apple Store.
3793) Message boards : Questions and problems : Location of Event Log (file)? (Message 78374)
Posted 30 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could I suggest that this file be written out as a CSV file? If would be a lot easier to read in code if the file were.
The output file writes to a generic text file, as this is compatible between all the platforms BOINC is built for. Also, when enabling debug flags, it would be nice to be able to read the debug output in a coherent way, instead of having commas between every word. There are however plenty of possibilities to convert a text file to comma separated values.

There are also already a lot of third party add-ons that use the present output files, so to go change the output manner for a new setup would break it for all the old ones, that wouldn't be a nice thing to do.
3794) Message boards : BOINC client : What happened to the iOS client? (Message 78372)
Posted 30 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
In other words, for BOINC to be able to be built for iOS, the installer requires the BOINC client and all project's iOS applications built in, a thing that's impossible to do. Not only would the installer grow to a massive size, but each time a project changes their applications, a new BOINC would need to be released.
3795) Message boards : Questions and problems : Location of Event Log (file)? (Message 78359)
Posted 29 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's being logged to the stdoutdae.txt file, which is in the BOINC data directory. Where that is depends on your operating system.
3796) Message boards : Android : Boinc doesn't start with power (Message 78332)
Posted 28 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It might have something to do with androids power management taking control of apps to save battery, but even setting the battery optimization for boinc to "not optimized" does nothing.
I found in Nougat (Android 7), but it's possible that it's in 6 as well, that just setting BOINC on the 'not optimized' list does absolutely nothing. There are other settings, such as Apps->Settings->Configure apps->Special access, via which I had to set a couple of apps I want to continue when the display locks. It's possible this option is only available after you told your phone you're a developer, though. I fixed my permissions by adding Netguard as firewall, which had the option to set specific permissions built-in.

The other settings I had to change were under Battery->Close apps after screen lock->uncheck the ones that cannot close. And even with these settings in place it still happens that my apps auto-close 5 seconds after my screen locks.

Might try the previous version of boinc and will report back if it works, and if it does, perhaps the newer version should be replaced by the older one in the play store; I'm sure pretty much everyone has this issue with the boinc Android client.
That's not going to happen any time soon, because the developer who used to do the Android builds and add to the Google Play Store hasn't answered back yet on the new developers' request that he give the login for the Play Store. Until they have that, no one is going to change anything in that account.
3797) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Weak Account Key (Message 78290)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Android I answered elsewhere, but for other operating systems, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Weak_account_key
3798) Message boards : Android : Wrong hostname (Message 78289)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If two or more Android devices under the same account sign up as 'localhost', they are seen as one device. Therefore the change was made (4 years back) to name the host 'android-MAC-address'

The server code can check for domain name, IP addr, OS name, processor model and memory size on PC only, not on Android devices. So it cannot differentiate between two wildly differing in hardware Android devices when they're both called localhost.
3799) Message boards : Android : Weak Account Key (Message 78288)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Using Android? As far as I know, you cannot, because the only way to add projects on Android is through the GUI. There is no way to manually edit the necessary files.
3800) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78274)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stop this now.
Another threat?
I also asked you the other day to ask for help, and if you were already getting that, to ask them if your medication was set correctly. You do need professional help that we here at these forums cannot give you. You see problems, conspiracies and attacks where there are none. Please, for your own sake, seek help!

(edit: the NHS URL didn't want to play ball, so removed that for now)
3801) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78272)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am quite sure that Jord has just made his previous post in retaliation because I posted a written letter of complaint about his moderation style, direct to David Anderson at the SSL, via signed for international letter post.
Since I didn't know about this until you just posted this, I take it that you're accusing me of a Future Crime? I must say, what Sirius wrote here is now quite correct, you can't take moderation at face value without seeing it as a threat.

You forget in all your anger that I do moderate this thread, but only when I do see grand conflagrations happening. Some posts have been removed, others are just left there. All of yours are still intact, even though you flame-bait & flame (back) when the other party has taken your bait, and attack people on their opinion and character, not on their discussion. For the interest of the discussion though I leave most everything standing, just the real attacks and potty-mouth's posts will go.

You so want to get rid of me as a moderator here, ever since I managed to get on your bad side, but I still haven't seen one good reason as to why. Just because you feel that others on this forum talk back to you? Perhaps you want to check out what the meaning of a forum is again? If you do not want that people talk back at you, well, put that in your signature. Maybe that they'll read that and acknowledge it (but then don't complain if people start to ignore you). You accuse me of siding with people here, but again that's all in your mind.

These aren't the 'everyone is against Chris' forums, that's just what you make of it. Probably because you're bad at having discussions, or you always feel the overwhelming need to win. And if you cannot win, you whine and start throwing threats and accusations around, and throw tantrums and thrash things. At the end of those episodes you feel that the whole world (forum) is against you, that they are after you, you want other people banished, you want moderators replaced.
If then nothing of that sort happens, then the next train starts rolling, and you start emailing (and now snail mailing) people that you're the snow white person who is on the end of the stick of all these differently coloured people and they are all wrong, they need to be gotten rid of, badly.

I also haven't seen you suggest a good replacement, unless you want Kath and Chris to take over... but have you noticed they don't post in these threads? That's because they don't read here at all, and they don't need to.

As David once told me, every few months someone complains about my moderation. It has happened in the past, it'll happen again in the future, I'm not too worried.
3802) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78264)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Am I not allowed to respond to personal attacks?
The problem being that you see personal attacks where others are having a discussion, or are trying to have one. Also, as far as I can read back, Bernie didn't attack you. Attacks on Bernie happened, but those posts have mysteriously disappeared. Attacks on you happened, and most of those disappeared as well.

I agree with Richard that the ad hominem attacks should stop. Everyone is allowed to discuss in this thread and they should be able to freely post their opinion, without getting slapped in the face.

I must also note that before you started posting in this thread, Chris, the discussion may have been heated at times, and some people may have had a face to face on standpoints, but the responds were never on the personal level. So perhaps if you can change your posting method and post about the discussion. Instead of about the person (or person's state of mind), or that you feel they have a different opinion than you have. (and therefore need to be silenced in some way).
3803) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78220)
Posted 25 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here's your answer: Security services missed five opportunities to stop the Manchester bomber

The Manchester suicide bomber was repeatedly flagged to the authorities over his extremist views, but was not stopped by officers, it emerged Wednesday night.

Counter Terrorism agencies were facing questions after it emerged Salman Abedi told friends that “being a suicide bomber was okay”, prompting them to call the Government’s anti-terrorism hotline.

Sources suggest that authorities were informed of the danger posed by Abedi on at least five separate occasions in the five years prior to the attack on Monday night.

The authorities were also aware that Abedi’s father was linked to a well-known militant Islamist group in Libya, which is proscribed in Britain. Abedi also had links to several British-based jihadis with Isil connections.


So you have five people of the public call wolf and the authorities ignore all of them immediately? Who's going to be fired over this?

Edit: fix link
3804) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78210)
Posted 25 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Manchester attack: Security services find more bomb-making materials in hunt for UK terror network.

Got to wonder what use the intelligence offices are when with all of the privacy we have turned in, they still can't find things like this before they go off.
3805) Message boards : GPUs : which PPA for Ubuntu Mesa openCL for Raden 7750??? (Message 78185)
Posted 24 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
I wonder....
The AMDGPU-PRO driver is OpenCL 1.2 compliant, the GPU you have does OpenCL 1.2, but Mesa is OpenCL 1.1 (incomplete) or 1.0 at best. It's probably missing some instruction(s) these days that the are there in OpenCL 1.2, but aren't in the earlier versions.

But this goes far over my head.
3806) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 78175)
Posted 23 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could we please use the discussion thread for discussion on people's deaths, and also ever so please, when you post in this thread be so kind to uncheck "Add my signature to this reply" before you press Post reply? There are plenty of other threads for you to put your advertisements in, this thread should be clean and clear and respectful.

Edit: when you use the BBCode tag UI, make sure to use it to close your tags as well, Jord.
3807) Message boards : GPUs : which PPA for Ubuntu Mesa openCL for Raden 7750??? (Message 78171)
Posted 23 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti is down at the moment for maintenance, which is why you won't get work from there. And trouble is, the information about Mesa OpenCL not being (always) compatible with project apps came from a thread there, but since they're in maintenance, I can't link to it. But at least Seti applications won't work with Mesa either, because of it being different from Khronos OpenCL with which the apps are built.
3808) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78163)
Posted 23 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I haven't tried any replies recently, but I've not noticed any significant slowdowns with accessing either the website or the data servers.
It would seem it's getting worse. I now can't reach many other websites either, or they only half load. Changed my DNS setup from Google (both on the router and in Windows) to the ones provided by my provider, hasn't helped. Threw away my resolver cache, renewed it, hasn't helped.

Now pages that half loaded before don't load at all. Might be my cable as everything loads blindingly fast via WiFi.

Edit: the problem seems to be with my provider's DNS, as overriding locally to Google DNS has everything load fast.
3809) Message boards : The Lounge : Discussion thread for These are no longer with us, may they have peace (Message 78161)
Posted 23 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
My condolences to the family and fans of Sir Roger Moore. You will be missed.
3810) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78154)
Posted 23 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Extreme slowdown. But better than yesterday when everything (including these forums, and the UCB Systems site) were just not there at all.

Edit: Having said that, looks like they're gone again. Or being DDoS'ed.
Edit2: and back. But cannot answer to this person, reply button doesn't work. Looks like bad trouble with the database server.
3811) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78147)
Posted 22 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Manchester Arena explosion story developing... Sky News stream
Let's hope it's something different than terrorism this time.
3812) Message boards : GPUs : which PPA for Ubuntu Mesa openCL for Raden 7750??? (Message 78146)
Posted 22 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you asked at Einstein if their application is Mesa OpenCL compatible? Because if it isn't... one OpenCL isn't the equal to another.
3813) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78143)
Posted 22 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm running it on my old Huawei G700 phone, on 3 of the 4 cores. The first GUPPI it had took a whopping 158,000 seconds! It's chewing on a second GUPPI VLAR as I type, also going to take long. But at least it's nowhere near hot, the CPU isn't constantly under load while since it's on the loader with the battery 100% full, the battery isn't getting that hot either. Win win.
3814) Message boards : BOINC Manager : [7.7.2 (x64)] Boinc Manager always start with "Add Project" (Message 78127)
Posted 22 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is being tracked by the volunteer developers in Github issue #1876.
3815) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78125)
Posted 22 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stepping in, waving arms in the air until everyone has my attention. Good.

We all had our laughs and all, but we best stop here feeding the troll being accusatory to each other. We don't flame bait, to then flame back when the other party has taken the bait and answered. Doing so makes you no better than the trolls you want the other party to be. Internet trolls come in all sizes, ages, colours, countries, identities, IQs, EQs. They're present on these forums as much as they are present answering under (political) reports on your favourite newspaper's website, or any place they feel the need to turn your attention in a different direction.

But it's over now. For the next 4 weeks you're all going to be amiable to one and all. The dark days are over, it's going to be a hot week this next week with temps soaring to over 30C (86F) next weekend. Too hot for me to be keeping an eye on anything you say, I don't plan on being much at home then. Certainly not looking over the forums all day and night to see if all the adults in this and other threads can behave themselves, and not so easily be baited.

You can also stop with the accusatory private messages and demanding post reports. That's all over, in the least for the next 4 weeks.

Talking about internet trolls, I've decided that when Knut comes back with his solaris account (the 25th), he can stay. For now. Perhaps that he has to go again when he's doing the spamming again. We'll see.
3816) Message boards : Questions and problems : No GPU detected in my boinc (Message 78115)
Posted 21 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
a) you need drivers installed from the Nvidia website to get the GPU detected correctly, Windows installed drivers lack components required. http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
b) make sure you didn't install BOINC as a service, as then GPU detection is disabled due to the drivers being in another plane than the user's account is. That is a Windows security measure, it's not something BOINC can fix or work around on. You can recognize if you installed as a service when one of the first lines of the Event Log (SHIFT+CTRL+E) shows "running as a daemon".

To fix that, uninstall BOINC, reinstall it and in the third screen of the installer click "Advanced", then uncheck "Install as a service" (read the blurb) and continue installation.
c) make sure the project(s) you run have that computer set on a location in which the correct GPU is enabled.
3817) Message boards : Questions and problems : e-mail from this project down? (Message 78114)
Posted 21 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I reported it to David on the 11th of May, he hasn't gotten back to me on it yet.
3818) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 78113)
Posted 21 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, who ordered me a Gran Hut Mix - Tradicional pizza @ Pizzahut in Veracruz? I'm not going to pay $149.- for it, although I do wonder if it gets here...
3819) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 78034)
Posted 19 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes!
Former pirate Radio Caroline awarded broadcast licence
The former ship-based pirate station, Radio Caroline, has been handed its first full-time AM broadcast licence.

It allows the service, which is currently an internet and digital station, to broadcast on medium wave to Suffolk and parts of north Essex.

Manager, Peter Moore, wants to broadcast from its ship MV Ross Revenge on the River Blackwater in Essex.

It comes 50 years after the 1967 Marine Broadcasting Offences Act that was intended to stop pirate broadcasters.
3820) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 78004)
Posted 18 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Chris Cornell, 52, American musician, singer, songwriter (Soundgarden, Audioslave)
3821) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 77980)
Posted 17 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where did I mention I have an iPhone?
For your correct information, it was from a Huawei Ascend G700 running Android 4.2.1 to a Huawei P9 lite running Android 7.0, although that all has little to do with the fact that Whatsapp doesn't have a restore backup button.
3822) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 77974)
Posted 17 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
So today my switch from pre-paid to subscription went live, the actual switching to the working new sim card wasn't much of a problem. Turn roaming on, turn data on and reboot the phone. Nothing really.

The past days I've made backups of just about everything on my phone, including from the phone's calendar (instead of Google Calendar, the phone's calendar isn't backed up immediately by any default app). So all I had to do was backup Whatsapp and add it to the new phone, right?

Welllllll.... Whatsapp needs access to your whole phone, and has an option to make backups of itself, but it does not have an easy option to import those messages again. What instead you need to do is uninstall Whatsapp, reinstall it and it should find the backup you had... should, because it doesn't. Whatsapp makes a backup of everything to the default SDCard, which in most cases is the internal memory. If you don't check that, it won't find the messages on the new phone. Took me three times reinstalling to figure that one out, and by that time I couldn't get text messages anymore for the registration of Whatsapp, only phone messages (Call me).

The next three times I tried I tried to get it to see the stuff I deliberately put on the external SDCard. All three were fails.
Apparently the newest versions expect your data to be on the Google Drive, a little ditty that isn't explained anywhere. But even then it doesn't work.

1. Whatsapp expects the format of the backup file to have today's date in it. Yesterday's date it won't find.
2. It expects it to be on the Google Drive, in some obscure map I haven't found yet.
3a. I copied the correctly named file to the new phone's memory, in the correct map.
3b. I copied it into a map on the external SDCard.
3c. I copied it into the Google Drive.
3d. All places had the same setup, Whatsapp/Databases/file.crypt ... all failed.

So the only thing I can come up with is that I - tomorrow, because I'm on 7 to 12 hour waiting lists for new texts/call me no - take the nano sim card out of my new phone, put it in the micro card convertor, put that in my old phone, re-register my phone number to that Whatsapp, tell it to use Google Drive, tell it to backup immediately, then switch the sim card back to my new phone, uninstall that Whatsapp, reinstall it and hope that in the next registration cycle it can now find my old messages.

But really Whatsapp, if you have a button in the app that says "Backup now", then how fricking difficult can it be to add a restore from local source button? Even an option to tell where to look? You need access to my whole phone, but have problems finding your own file on my nearly empty SDCard?
3823) Message boards : The Lounge : Discussion thread for These are no longer with us, may they have peace (Message 77943)
Posted 16 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since there seems to be need to have discussions about people who have died, I've made this thread. Chris' first post is in answer to Mark's post 77901.

Please keep the banter in the original thread down as much as possible.
3824) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77893)
Posted 15 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Powers Boothe, 68, American actor.
3825) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77873)
Posted 12 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Batten down the hatches, Ransomware infections reported worldwide.
A massive ransomware campaign appears to have infected a number of organisations around the world.

Computers in thousands of locations have apparently been locked by a program that demands $300 (£230) in Bitcoin.

There have been reports of infections in as many as 74 countries, including the UK, US, China, Russia, Spain, Italy and Taiwan.


Update your Windows people. Get at least MS17-010.
3826) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 bad pool caller on boinc suspend/exit (Message 77872)
Posted 12 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No one can read that error. So if it's the same as before, no need to repost. If it's a new one, please repost.

But let's try something different: 3DMark, download, install, run the Firestrike Test/Demo.
See if it survives that. Any artifcating you see, tell us about it.

You can also install Whocrashed and have it run over your dump files to tell you what crashed your computer.
3827) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77851)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
U.S. to Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights From Europe, Officials Say

Acting on fears that terrorists can build bombs into laptops, Homeland Security has decided to expand the ban it imposed on Middle Eastern flights. Computers will now be checked as baggage.
Because they cannot explode when they're in the baggage compartment? The Russian plane coming down over Egypt in October last year was blown up with a soda can in the baggage compartment, what do you think a laptop will do?
3828) Message boards : The Lounge : Stress: The confusion created when one's mind overrides the body's basic desire to choke the living daylights out of some jerk who desperately deserves it (Message 77844)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It feels as if you need a new job. How about being a librarian?
3829) Message boards : BOINC client : Need clients compiled (Message 77843)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be useful to know what operating system you're working from, and why you feel the build instructions don't work?
3830) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Freezing (Message 77839)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have discussed this with the BOINC developer for the Mac. He thinks it may be related to the issue described in #1909, especially if you use the manager to connect to a (remote) computer with more than 300 tasks.

But it may also be that you have one of the rare corrupt installations of BOINC, so could you please uninstall BOINC, download a fresh copy from the web site and install that anew, then see how that goes?
3831) Message boards : Questions and problems : Push out an initial app_config.xml when a user attaches? (Message 77838)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you, Christian. In case the link to the BOINC Projects email list is unknown, see https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_projects.

PS, Christian, did you mean this link: Feature suggestion: staggered start of VM jobs on slow storage?
3832) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77833)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
F.B.I. Director James Comey Is Fired by Trump
White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee: "It's time to focus on the things that the American people care about." (or let's drop the stupid Russian involvement investigation).
3833) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77832)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Too risky, do you want that much material sitting atop a rocket when it explodes?

It's already (purported to be) in special containers that can withstand being dropped from a plane, plus the Russian space venture is really good these days, almost no exploding rockets anymore. (American so so ;-)) We probably have some uninhabited island someplace that we can use as a launch platform, in the off-chance that it goes wrong. But I suspect it's just considered 'too expensive'.
3834) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77830)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robert Miles, 47, Italian disc jockey (Children)
3835) Message boards : Questions and problems : Push out an initial app_config.xml when a user attaches? (Message 77829)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The application configuration file is always user made, and just there for advanced users to use. It cannot be sent out by the project (as far as I know).

But in the case of your tasks, how many is too many?
How long do your tasks run for?

You can also use the <code>daily_result_quota</code>, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions#Joblimits for the description.

I think by using <code>max_ncpus</code> that you're restricting users to use a maximum of 16 cores - for those systems with more than 16 cores.
3836) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77828)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now that you mention it, I can't remember the last time I received a notification.

What's the suffix of the email address you use (the part after the @)?
And have you checked in the spam filter?
3837) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77818)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The crime is they have been trying to clean up the mess a Hanford for decades and they still don't have a clue what to do with it.
No, but truly, does anyone know what to do with nuclear waste material? Launching it into the sun is probably too expensive?
3838) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77815)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ping Pong II

Good God, that page uses over 45 scripts and links to other pages. Almost a crime in itself.
3839) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77812)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because I survived, I bought myself a present: Inform - Educate - Entertain and Every Valley by Public Service Broadcasting.(The race for space was sadly sold out). If you've never listened to this London-based band, best start now. They don't sing, but they make truly gorgeous music voiced over by the old PBS tapes of the 40s, 50s and 60s.
3840) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77809)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
He's alive!
And I can tell you, when you have music like this on your earphones, you don't hear the noise of the MRI. :-D

Now I know that for the future. The only thing that was a problem was that it was really hot in that tube. But I survived.
Will go relax now.
3841) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77804)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dunno why the MRI makes that sort of noise, is it supposed to?
From Question of the Month: How does an MRI work, and why is it so noisy?:
An MRI is noisy because its magnetic field is created by running electrical current through a coiled wire—an electromagnet. When the current is switched on, there is an outward force all along the coil. And because the magnetic field is so strong, the force on the coil is very large.

When the current is switched on, the force on the coil goes from zero to huge in just milliseconds, causing the coil to expand slightly, which makes a loud "click." When the MRI is making an image, the current is switched on and off rapidly. The result is a rapid-fire clicking noise, which is amplified by the enclosed space in which the patient lies.
3842) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77801)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I'm going to ask everyone to behave and essentially do something for yourself. Watch the Eurovision Song Festival Pre-Final, or something.
As I won't be around tonight, as I'll be in the hospital having another MRI made. Not looking forward to that.

Tonight, you say? Yes, to lower waiting lists, they make them almost 24 hours a day. The thing is always on anyway, so why not utilize it then?
So my scan is at 9.30pm. Neck and shoulders, going to take approx 30 gruesome minutes. But this time I'm prepared and will bring along one of my Machinae Supremacy CDs. Hope their awesome music can overcome the awful noise the MRI makes. :)
3843) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC v 7.7.2 is much better than 7.6.33 on gpu suspend/resume tasks (Message 77796)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Some observations:
1. There have been no changes between these versions with return to how GPU tasks suspend/resume.
2. You also changed your videocard drivers. It's much more likely you fixed your problem doing that.
3. BOINC by itself does nothing with the GPUs. It merely detects what kind of GPU is in the system, according to the drivers that you installed and what the capabilities are (CUDA & OpenCL mainly). It does not put load on them, which will usually cause the BSODs.
4. 7.7.2 was mostly a concept release to see if the developer in question could pack everything together, build a working client out of it and if the installer he built worked in the different Windows versions (which it doesn't).
5. In itself any 7.7 version will never become a recommended version, because of its numbering. Major.odd.revision means it's an unstable alpha/beta version. Major.even.revision means it's a stable release candidate/recommended version. So any next recommended version will always be a 7.8
3844) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.6.33 client freezes viewing remote computer's tasks (Message 77794)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
With thanks for the intensive work on testing which clients worked and which didn't. I forwarded your plight to the (then) developer of that part of the client/manager and he has made it into a github ticket, in the hope others pick it up: #1909
3845) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.6.33 client freezes viewing remote computer's tasks (Message 77786)
Posted 8 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
While trying to view remote computer's tasks list
How?
Via BOINC Manager->View File->Select computer? Or are you using Windows remote desktop?
Have you set up both systems to allow for remote control?
What if you try to use BoincTasks, does that slow things down as well?
3846) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Version 7.6.33 (64 bit) - After change the GPU from Nvidia GTX 980 to Nvidia GTX 1080ti the Boinc Screensaver flickers (Message 77782)
Posted 8 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you didn't say was if you uninstalled the videocard drivers prior to taking out the old card, and reinstalled (newer ones) them after you put the new card in?
You didn't say anything about drivers. Also not where you got them from, allowed Windows to install them, or got them from the Nvidia website?
3847) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77781)
Posted 8 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
So last night I was watching the season 12 starter of Ancient aliens which started with the Breakthrough Listen initiative, and at around the 24 minute mark showed the Allen Telescope. From here there was a whole recount of the Wow! signal, a basic explanation of what Seti is still doing (without naming it), and ending with Giorgo walking between the telescopes talking to Seth Shostak about aliens, how to contact them and what we were looking for.

I was expecting something about that on the Seti boards, but just searched and.... nothing. Is everyone banned from watching this show? Or is everyone banned for discussing it because of the outer worldly claims they have? Or did you all just miss this? ;-) If you did, here is the Youtube video of that episode.

Perhaps that we can talk about the X-37B then as well? :)
3848) Message boards : Server programs : config.xml (Message 77775)
Posted 7 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions#Jobscheduling for the documentation, if you hadn't already.
3849) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77766)
Posted 6 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Val Jellay, 89, Australian actress (Flying Doctors)
3850) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77764)
Posted 6 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/05/04/2017-08975/notice-of-information-collection-under-omb-emergency-review-supplemental-questions-for-visa
The Department of State has submitted the information collection request described below to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for review and approval in accordance with the emergency review procedures of the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995. The purpose of this notice is to allow for public comment from all interested individuals and organizations. Emergency review and approval of this collection has been requested from OMB by May 18. If granted, the emergency approval is only valid for 180 days.

The Department proposes requesting the following information, if not already included in an application, from a subset of visa applicants worldwide, in order to more rigorously evaluate applicants for terrorism or other national security-related visa ineligibilities:

  • Travel history during the last fifteen years, including source of funding for travel;
  • Address history during the last fifteen years;
  • Employment history during the last fifteen years;
  • All passport numbers and country of issuance held by the applicant;
  • Names and dates of birth for all siblings;
  • Name and dates of birth for all children;
  • Names and dates of birth for all current and former spouses, or civil or domestic partners;
  • Social media platforms and identifiers, also known as handles, used during the last five years; and
  • Phone numbers and email addresses used during the last five years.

I hope your memory is good enough, or no entry to the USA. At least they don't need your passwords, probably because they have those already. ;-)
3851) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 77758)
Posted 5 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

We will be taking the project offline on Wednesday 10th May from 9:30am. This is in order for OeRC IT Support to upgrade the GPFS software. From 9:30am the main project will be taken offline and uploads from volunteers will be diverted to another upload server so there will be minimal disruption to the upload service for volunteers. I am afraid the subsetting server cpdn-ppc01.oerc will also need to be taken offline at 9:30am as this machine is mounting to the GPFS. It is anticipated that it will take a day to upgrade the software of the GPFS, if there is any change to this we will keep you updated.

With regards,

Andy
3852) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Autoproxy configuration (Message 77748)
Posted 4 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do they use the proxy_info option in cc_config.xml? https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Options
<proxy_info>
    [ <http_server_name></http_server_name> ]
    [ <http_server_port>80</http_server_port> ]
    [ <http_user_name></http_user_name> ]
    [ <http_user_passwd></http_user_passwd> ]
    [ <socks_version>5</socks_version> ]
    [ <socks_server_name></socks_server_name> ]
    [ <socks_server_port>80</socks_server_port> ]
    [ <socks5_user_name></socks5_user_name> ]
    [ <socks5_user_passwd></socks5_user_passwd> ]
    [ <socks5_remote_dns>0|1</socks5_remote_dns> ] 
    [ <no_proxy>list of hostnames for which proxy not used</no_proxy> ]
    [ <no_autodetect>0|1</no_autodetect> ] 
</proxy_info>

And do they use a 7.7. client? I see the code you point to is in master, so it won't be yet in any of the 7.6 clients.
3853) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI@Home SPARC T4 support (Message 77746)
Posted 4 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, no one is porting over BOINC or any project to the SPARC at this time. You may be able to find a very old BOINC (5.x.x) via third party sites, but then you run into the problem that no project has an up-to-date application for it. The applications that may be available, also built by third party, are out of date and no longer used.
3854) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why negative credits? (Message 77745)
Posted 4 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still, we're not BOINCstats. BOINCstats is a third party statistics site, developed and maintained by Willy de Zutter. If you have problems with how it shows your statistics, you'll have to take it up with him on the BOINCstats forums. Might be useful then to tell which project this is from as well, as for all we know it's not sending out statistics at this time.
3855) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Freezing (Message 77743)
Posted 4 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Boinc manager keeps freezing
How do you know BOINC Manager is frozen?
and also refuses to shut down when I try to shut it down using the drop down menu. I have to Force Quit. When I open it again, it is not able to connect.
Is the BOINC client running at this time? BOINC Manager is a separate program with which you easily command and control the BOINC client, but when the latter isn't running, and you start BOINC Manager, it'll tell you it cannot connect to the client... because it isn't running.

Or when you start the manager, are you allowed to do so? Is hat instance of the manager allowed to contact the client?
You may be able to solve it by rerunning the security script, as per http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Using_BOINC.27s_security_features_with_the_stand-alone_BOINC_Client
3856) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC tasks sometimes freeze Mac and aren't cleared from memory when suspended (Message 77742)
Posted 4 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can see if applications checkpoint by activating the checkpoint_debug flag in the BOINC Diagnostics Log Flags window in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Options->Event Log options...
That shows in the log like this:

04/05/2017 15:13:19 | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result blc02_2bit_guppi_57835_09191_HIP40693_0034.23737.409.23.46.4.vlar_1 checkpointed
You can also enable the task_debug flag, which shows what state tasks are in and if when they suspend, they do so by staying in memory, or exit memory.
That shows in the log like this:

04/05/2017 15:14:20 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting blc02_2bit_guppi_57835_09191_HIP40693_0034.23737.409.23.46.4.vlar_1 (removed from memory)
3857) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC tasks sometimes freeze Mac and aren't cleared from memory when suspended (Message 77737)
Posted 3 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, if the memory could be cleared when BOINC is suspended it would be very helpful and could mean I could increase the allowed memory percentage for BOINC.

CPU applications will only stay in memory when you have the preference Leave non-GPU tasks in memory while suspended enabled. As the title suggests, applications whose tasks run on the GPU are never suspended in memory.
I suspect that non-checkpointing applications will also stay in memory.
3858) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 bad pool caller on boinc suspend/exit (Message 77729)
Posted 2 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't see why that needs to be BOINC that causes the Windows kernel to crash. It may be a process running under BOINC that does it, but without that dump file I think our hands are tied.

You haven't said anything about trying different drivers for your Nvidia GPU.
Microsoft's answers on their forum point to outdated or incompatible videocard drivers for the error application has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware, with people getting rid of the error by downgrading to earlier drivers that do work correctly.
3859) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77713)
Posted 2 May 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, just as I was answering that guy in the help desk, with his Ryzen CPU and his system shut downs. Luckily I was checking his system specs when I noticed I couldn't and so luckily didn't lose my whole big post.
It's now in Notepad++ to be finished later.
3860) Message boards : Questions and problems : How exactly exclusive_app works? (Message 77702)
Posted 30 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think it only works on actual programs, not on processes running off of those programs.
3861) Message boards : Questions and problems : How exactly exclusive_app works? (Message 77697)
Posted 30 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do not see that. Just tested with Notepad, which shows as notepad.exe in Windows 7's Windows Task Manager.

First added notepad.exe as an exclusive GPU app, then added Notepad.exe as the exclusive GPU app.

30/04/2017 15:41:03 | | Config: don't use GPUs while notepad.exe is running
30/04/2017 15:41:40 | | Suspending GPU computation - an exclusive app is running
30/04/2017 15:41:40 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 (removed from memory)
30/04/2017 15:41:40 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=QUIT_PENDING for 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 from request_exit()
30/04/2017 15:41:40 | | request_exit(): PID 4172 has 0 descendants
30/04/2017 15:41:42 | SETI@home | [task] Process for 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 exited, exit code 0, task state 8
30/04/2017 15:41:42 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=UNINITIALIZED for 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 from handle_exited_app

30/04/2017 15:42:48 | | Config: don't use GPUs while Notepad.exe is running
30/04/2017 15:43:22 | | Suspending GPU computation - an exclusive app is running
30/04/2017 15:43:22 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 (removed from memory)
30/04/2017 15:43:22 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=QUIT_PENDING for 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 from request_exit()
30/04/2017 15:43:22 | | request_exit(): PID 8508 has 0 descendants
30/04/2017 15:43:23 | SETI@home | [task] Process for 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 exited, exit code 0, task state 8
30/04/2017 15:43:23 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=UNINITIALIZED for 23ap08ab.24443.20931.5.32.253_0 from handle_exited_app
3862) Message boards : Questions and problems : 100% CPU utilisation on Mac Book Pro (Message 77694)
Posted 30 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
... if your CPU monitor continues to see 100% utilisation by the WCG apps during the 99 second 'idle' time, then it's possible that the Mac version of the WCG app is failing to respond to these 'command and control' messages.
Or Activity is set to "Run always" which will ignore any such preferences as throttling/amount of CPUs set. Needs to be set to "Run based on preferences."
3863) Message boards : Questions and problems : How exactly exclusive_app works? (Message 77692)
Posted 30 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The exclusive applications function works by adding the name of the executable as it shows in top. You only use the name, no path. And BOINC must be set to run based on preferences, when it's set to run always it ignores these exclusive applications.
3864) Message boards : Questions and problems : 100% CPU utilisation on Mac Book Pro (Message 77691)
Posted 30 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The science applications at the projects will use the processor 100%, but are set to be at the lowest priority, meaning that anything else with a higher priority will take their CPU cycles fully away from the science applications.

Using the throttle function in BOINC you tell BOINC to suspend for N seconds every 10 seconds, meaning that at 50% BOINC suspends for 5 seconds, runs for 5 seconds. At 1% utilization you tell BOINC to run for 1 second every 100 seconds. You can just as well suspend BOINC, because no science will be done this way, none of the tasks you have will run before their deadline, you're just using electricity for nothing.

Unless there is a third-party add-on through which you can set the CPU utilization in whole percentages, you won't get BOINC to run at a sustained CPU percentage. I know of no such add-on for the Mac, only for Windows (TThrottle).

You can better set the BOINC to not use all the CPU cores via the "Use at most N% of the CPUs" if you want to cool things down. Settings this to 99% for instance uses all but one CPU core. If you have an 8 core CPU, or a 4 core with hyperthreading, setting this value to 50% will use just half the cores, leaving the others free and this way not heating up the system so much.

Lastly, clean the dust from the fans. Make sure it has enough room to breathe. Laptops/notebooks are notorious for overheating because they cannot call in enough cool air to cool all the elements inside due to ineffective fan holes on the underside/backside. Or because they're clogged up with dust. Or because by putting the notebook down, you clog up the fan holes. Using a cooling pad is probably a good solution here.
3865) Message boards : Questions and problems : Another windows 10 creators update problem (Message 77688)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a Radeon R9 380X.....................
Ah... yes, you wrote that. I don't know how I came by the thought you had an Nvidia card. In any case, then make sure you downloaded the drivers from https://support.amd.com/en-us/download (or https://support.amd.com/fr-fr for French)
3866) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 bad pool caller on boinc suspend/exit (Message 77684)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not an Nvidia user, so I don't know if 381.89 is a stable driver for Windows 10 or not, I'll leave that to the next guru to pass by. Perhaps ask about that on any of the Number Crunching forums of the project forums you're participating in, there you usually have a faster answer than here.

And since you have three Nvidia cards, it may also be that one of them is having a problem.
3867) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 77679)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

The switch back has now been completed, the project is now back online and running from the main infrastructure again.

With regards,

Andy
3868) Message boards : Questions and problems : Quit BOINC and tasks from command line (Message 77678)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like to look at what is going on from time to time, therefore I use the GUI.
Well, that's possible. Nothing against that. Just do know you can exit BOINC Manager without exiting the client (and running tasks). Which is what MarkJ pointed out already.

To clarify: when exiting BOINC Manager you have the exit manager dialog (and if you do not, go to Options->Other options...->check "Enable Manager exit dialog?"->OK) by doing File->Exit BOINC->uncheck Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager->OK. This leaves the client and tasks running, but exits BOINC Manager (the GUI).
3869) Message boards : Questions and problems : Quit BOINC and tasks from command line (Message 77675)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why don't your colour code tags work for me?
Administrator title. :)
Thanks for the proof-read, I edited the original post.

(I now have to make the code tag a non-tag or else everything is that red... ;-))
3870) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 bad pool caller on boinc suspend/exit (Message 77673)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BAD POOL CALLER error indicates a memory problem, the 'pool' in the name is called the memory pool.
Having said that, don't immediately think you have bad memory (RAM), because it can be caused by a driver for any part of your hardware that gets stressed out.

The guy on this site explains what the error is and what may cause it, and how to fix it - a long and winding road through unplugging everything possible and starting from scratch, adding one thing at a time and testing. Yes, the easiest way is to just stop BOINC, but that's a work around, not a fix. Your system has a problem getting stressed, else it won't throw an error.

If you find one of the dump files Windows made of this error and put it someplace any of us can check it - with Windbg (Windows debug), we may point out what hardware/driver combo is causing it in detail. These dumps are usually saved in C:\LocalDumps\
3871) Message boards : Questions and problems : Quit BOINC and tasks from command line (Message 77672)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I thought that between the various command line switches there would be an option to exit the GUI from the command line, but apparently there isn't.

I however started <code>boincmgr /b --quit</code> which started only BOINC Manager, which after 2 minutes is now telling me it cannot connect to a client and if it should try again? Clicking No stops the manager from trying, clicking Yes just has it try again.

Not very useful for you, I know.
But if you do not want to use the GUI, then why start it up?

You can start the BOINC client by itself:
I have a shortcut on my desktop that does <code>P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC\boinc.exe --detach_console</code>, it starts the client and closes the command line window. However, in my case my BOINC programs directory is in a different place than the default one, which is C:\Program Files\BOINC, or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC, depending on 64bit or 32bit version.

If either is the default place for your BOINC as well, it becomes <code>"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach_console</code> or <code>"C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach_console</code>, you add double quote marks around the path, because of the space(s) in the path. Leave the command to close the console outside the quotes.

To stop BOINC Manager from starting automatically with Windows, do BOINC Manager->Options->Other Options...->uncheck Run Manager at login?->OK.

Edit: typo, thanks Ricky. :-)
3872) Message boards : Questions and problems : Quit BOINC and tasks from command line (Message 77667)
Posted 28 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
In your initial post you didn't say you were running BOINC Manager as well. Of course when one kills the client, but leaves the manager running, it will restart the client. I'll check into a possible command line option for the manager tomorrow, as I was just about to go to bed.
3873) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why negative credits? (Message 77665)
Posted 28 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not BOINCstats, who answer that question in their FAQs:
Why do I lose credit in BOINC combined stats?

When you attach to a new project, or reattach to a projects that restarts after a 'break' your CPID for a project can change. It takes a while for all projects to line up again. During this time, you may loose some credit in the combined stats, and sometime all credit will go to a new account with a new CPID.
3874) Message boards : Questions and problems : Quit BOINC and tasks from command line (Message 77663)
Posted 28 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
<code>boinccmd --quit</code> should work like BOINC Manager->File->Exit, and therefore allow all tasks to stop running and exit the client.
Under Windows you best run boinccmd from the programs directory, or add the path to the programs directory to the Windows %PATH% environment variable.
3875) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Conspiracy theories (Message 77657)
Posted 28 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have locked this thread because:
1. it was too far off topic.
2. everyone involved was flaming others in this thread like there was no tomorrow.
3. responsible parties chose not to be responsible.

You can continue the discussion, if there was even one, in a more civilized way in the Politics thread.
3876) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 77652)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

We are taking the CPDN project offline in order to switch back from using the backup project service to using the main project service. In order to do this we need to switch over the roles of the master and slave databases, during this time we need prevent changes to the database so we will be taking the project down during the switch over, we apologise in advance for any inconvenience.

With regards,

Andy
3877) Message boards : Questions and problems : Another windows 10 creators update problem (Message 77651)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The drivers are manually installed and uninstalled when updates...
Just to make a b s o l u t e l y clear for everyone, do you download the drivers from http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx or from some other place? (http://www.nvidia.fr/Download/index.aspx is also correct a possibility)
3878) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices tab goes to web page (Message 77649)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have exactly the same problem.

If you go to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php you can download 7.6.34 which fixes that problem on OS X 10.12.4
3879) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 77648)
Posted 27 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone with the notices problem on OS X 10.12.4, please read through this thread, as in this post there is a fix for this issue on the Mac: If you go to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php you can download 7.6.34 which fixes that problem on OS X 10.12.4
3880) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77628)
Posted 26 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jonathan Demme, 73, American director (The Silence of the Lambs, Philadelphia, Stop Making Sense)
3881) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Screensaver freezes Mac? (Message 77621)
Posted 26 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You should be able to disable the screen saver, as it isn't necessary to run to do the science. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_screensaver#Disabling_screen_saver for how to do so.

I have forwarded this to the developer in question, but do mind that he's on vacation until the start of May.
3882) Message boards : Android : Boinc doesn't start with power (Message 77620)
Posted 26 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
On what kind of device, with which Android?
We do seem to have lots of problems running this client on later versions of Android, and until the volunteer Android developer releases a newer version - once we have gotten the account details of the Google Play Store from the developer who left - I doubt there's many fixes.

For a lot of people however, going back to 7.4.43 fixes most problems: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk
(Can be installed by temporarily allowing Install from Unknown Sources from Settings ->Security)
3883) Message boards : Questions and problems : Failed to uninstall BOINC (Message 77619)
Posted 26 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doing a search on the error in Google, I find that this happens when you do have the rights to install BOINC as a service, but do not have the rights to actually run it as such. The fix seems to be as simple as to reset the password on the local admin account that one picks for the install, or use a different administrator account to do the installation.

I would start with the first option, though, reset the password on the administrator account you try to uninstall BOINC with. If you weren't even using an administrator account to try to uninstall BOINC, then make sure you do so.
3884) Message boards : Questions and problems : Duplicate account. (Message 77558)
Posted 24 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
They are the same

In that case you'll have to raise a github issue over this, and include the account details and possibly the email address(es) used. At least state which projects are affected.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
3885) Message boards : Questions and problems : Duplicate account. (Message 77555)
Posted 24 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The unique identifier is the email, not the account name. There are plenty of other people in this world called Adrian, who if they want to, can all register with that name.

Re: having the same email, do check for typos in the email address. Or a different prefix or suffix. As far as I know, the email address isn't case-sensitive, nor checked on that. So Adrian@Adrian.net is the same as adrian@adrian.net, but Adrain@Adrian.net isn't.
3886) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77545)
Posted 23 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Chriet Titulaer, 73, Dutch astronomer, former television presenter and popular science and technology writer.
3887) Message boards : The Lounge : Stress: The confusion created when one's mind overrides the body's basic desire to choke the living daylights out of some jerk who desperately deserves it (Message 77531)
Posted 22 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I started to wonder in what kind of criminal environments you do walkabout then, but then I remembered, you're an American and pointing guns at other Americans and using them on each other is a daily pass time. :)
3888) Message boards : The Lounge : Stress: The confusion created when one's mind overrides the body's basic desire to choke the living daylights out of some jerk who desperately deserves it (Message 77522)
Posted 21 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, well, in this case it was about an appeal to get donations together for a 16 year old girl with a difficult to treat form of cancer, one that isn't treated in the UK, so they needed a million pounds for treatment in the US + aftercare. In the initial call for help the announcer said something like "she is 16 but if she doesn't receive care she won't reach ***" where for me the *** always sounded like 80, but they meant of course 18.

Especially in these cases I feel you need to articulate expertly, there should be no questions asked, no doubt about the message you try to convey. Yes, I did report it to the station (Radio Caroline). At least the appeal has gotten half of the needed cost together, so now the spot has changed to say that she is going for treatment in July, but that more money is still needed.
3889) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cloning a BOINC preinstalled VM (Message 77521)
Posted 21 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for picking up on this Christian. Afterwards, we should probably look and see if we need some documentation on this in the BOINC User Manual, or in the BOINC Wiki. I don't mind writing it but then I'll need to know what it's about. :-)
3890) Message boards : The Lounge : Stress: The confusion created when one's mind overrides the body's basic desire to choke the living daylights out of some jerk who desperately deserves it (Message 77514)
Posted 21 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Some (UK English) speak so unclear that there's no difference between 18 and 80 either. And when you're doing an appeal for donations on the radio, that matters!
3891) Message boards : Questions and problems : energy saving , processor clock cycle frequency , environmentally harmful (Message 77507)
Posted 20 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
i wanted to put boincs priority to zero
Again, BOINC is just the managing program, it does no science, it puts no gigantic load on your CPU or GPU. If you want to set BOINC to a lower priority, you can just as well right-click its process in Windows Task Manager->Processes and choose the lower priority.

However, doing so may cause scheduling problems - where BOINC doesn't automatically switch to the next task, or try to download/upload or report work, due to it having no CPU cycles as other processes are using those.

As far as I know:
All tasks running on the CPU run at lowest priority already, and will go out of the way of non-BOINC processes that ask for more CPU cycles.
All tasks running on the GPU are either lowest priority, or below-normal priority, depending on project.
All VMs running via VirtualBox run in below-normal priority as else they don't do much science when non-BOINC applications ask for CPU cycles. The tasks inside the VMs may run at low-priority in the OS running in the VM.
3892) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cloning a BOINC preinstalled VM (Message 77502)
Posted 20 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you install BOINC on a system, and have it contact a project it gets a hostID and CPID appointed that's based on the hardware, the operating system and the MAC address of the network.

When you make a VM with the OS and BOINC installed and contacted a project, then start cloning that, all BOINC have the same hostID and CPID.

So the solution would be to delete all *.xml files in the clones and manually install BOINC in each/add the projects to it.
I'll see if I can get my colleague Christian to come by to explain in more detail.
3893) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Creators Update (Message 77497)
Posted 20 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this thread moderated? Is Boinc working on this?

See issue #1859.

And what I said at Seti:
I wouldn't expect a new version anytime soon, as no one has picked it up yet. Remember that the days of old of three dedicated BOINC developers are gone and that development is now done by the BOINC community. Unless a Windows code guru checks into what Microsoft changed and how that specifically affects the BOINC screen saver, it won't be fixed overnight.

You may have better luck reporting this to Microsoft, which no one with this problem has done yet.
Everyone expects BOINC to fix a thing that Microsoft broke. May I remind everyone that this same one screen saver works in every version of Windows XP up to Windows 10 Anniversary Edition, and that the only one where it doesn't work is the Creators Edition? So who should in reality fix that then?
3894) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 77488)
Posted 19 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowen wrote:
Hi All,

We have now brought the main project back online, we are currently using the project backup service. Uploads that were set to go to the Oxford upload server have now been diverted to use the BADC upload service, uploads to other non-Oxford upload servers have been unaffected. We will switch the project back to using the main service on the Virtual Machine infrastructure when the issues with the Virtual Machine infrastructure have been resolved, we expect this to be in sometime next week.

With regards,

Andy
3895) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77486)
Posted 19 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
@ Jord thank you about the news, the e-mail verification issue is being dealt with.
Keep an eye on issue #1828, but do know that this thing costs money. What I understand is, it can be up to $200.- a year, which may not be much, but is quite substantial when BOINC is all out of money. (No, no need for a rescue operation, BOINC does have $200.- if need be for one year. :-))

But we need someone to write the code changes. Hence the github issue.
I hope someone picks it up before summer. And else I'll spam it at the developer group. ;-)
3896) Message boards : Questions and problems : energy saving , processor clock cycle frequency , environmentally harmful (Message 77476)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You are misreading how BOINC does things.

For all projects that actively use the CPU, the project science applications will use all the left-over CPU cycles that aren't used by anything else in the computer. These processes run by default at the lowest priority. Applications running on he GPU and VirtualBox may run at a slightly higher priority, due to there being problems to have them fed correctly, if run at the lowest priority.

Then there are projects that hardly use the CPU, these are called Non-CPU Intensive projects. These gather information, e.g. read out external gadgets/sensors to see if there's radioactivity around where you are, or earthquakes happening.

BOINC itself is a managing program, it hardly uses any CPU cycles by itself. Lowering the client's priority to lowest doesn't help much as then it too will step out of the way of programs with a higher priority that want the CPU, which may cause scheduling, down- and uploads and general reaction time of everything to be slower than normal.

BOINC uses a one-source, multiple platform code, which means we cannot use certain application programming interfaces (API) to make things easier. One of those is the throttle function. Because the code builds for Windows, Linux and the Mac, it needed a simpler function that works on all. If the user then wants finer control, he can use third party applications such as EfMer's TThrottle.

Now, before you start adding configuration options without knowing what they do, please read the documentation on them: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Options
3897) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77465)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please turn the swearing down again. Even when you hide it in between other letters, everyone can still read you're saying 'shit'. That's now twice for one day, clean up your language.
3898) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77454)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
A nice 4000gms of Golden :-)

4 kilos? How much does that set you back?
3899) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77453)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Would even buy you a pint Jord wouldn't be a problem at all
Don't drink either. Coming up on my 10th anniversary for that this August. Thanks to Misfit. :)

Edit : Radio Caroline ?? 4t that boat sank years ago when i was a kid or it got towed into a port didn't realise it was still going
Go read http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk/#home.html then. The Mi Amigo sank yes, but Caroline continued after that on the Ross Revenge, until that one ran aground in 1991. Since then they're a satellite, internet and these days DAB+ radio station. Still living greatly on donations. The Ross Revenge has been restored and lies in the river Blackwater these days and from there they have regular broadcasts - via internet, and 1368 KHz AM, thanks to Manx Radio.
3900) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77446)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can't get new work though.[/url][/i][/u][/s][/mailto][/morenedtags?]
3901) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77442)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Aside from the other unmentionable, I am beta testing the newest Android Radio Caroline app. We're up to beta 7 in the course of 6 days, I find bugs in every version. The past weekend we had the live stream from on board the Ross Revenge, which showed 7 bugs alone. :)
So know that if/when you run that thing, it'll be heavy duty tested.
3902) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77439)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Local Coffee shop " by any chance ?

Nope. Leave that to you. I quit smoking 6.5 years ago and still liking that.
And with the rules here in The Netherlands having gone stricter on who can smoke where, what, I think you'll find you can easier get your beloved marijuana in California than here.
3903) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77433)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good thing I can spend my time elsewhere, but due to my NDA I cannot disclose where or in what.
3904) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77417)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Theresa May to seek snap election for 8 June
Snap... Vote correctly, oh Brits, not with your heart. :)
3905) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 77416)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowen, official CPDN admin wrote:
Hi All,

The main project is currently offline, we are currently dealing with an issue with the VMware backend virtual machine infrastructure. We are currently looking into this and will let you know when services have been restored.

With regards,

Andy
3906) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77415)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm still pondering what to do with the speedman account. In the past Knut has said he wanted it banished, I never got around to doing that.
And with the whole onslaught of other Knut accounts here, perhaps we should just say good bye to all his accounts and ask him to please leave us alone?
At least it has set wheels in motion on email validation, a thing that's coming to BOINC in the near future.
3907) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 getting BOINC certificate error (Message 77414)
Posted 18 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The message is not about the expired cert as such. It's the User Account Control box which, for example, pops up when you run a program "as Administrator".
What I think happens here is this: when you install BOINC as a service, it runs with its own limited user account . Running extra as administrator will give problems here, as BOINC then tries to run the privileged account in elevated form, which Windows won't allow.
3908) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 77403)
Posted 17 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Climateprediction.net forums and upload/download servers are down. Since this looks to be a virtual machine infrastructure problem, the admins have to wait until tomorrow before this can be fixed at the earliest.
3909) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77381)
Posted 15 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Clifton James, 96, American actor (sheriff J.W. Pepper in Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun, Silver Streak, Superman II)
3910) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77379)
Posted 15 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
C,mon Jord

You have a lively imagination. Ever thought of becoming a novelist?
3911) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77373)
Posted 14 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
A war between North Korea and the USA isn't a world war. The original Korean war wasn't a world war either, so why would this be different?
3912) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77371)
Posted 14 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome to the day before the start of the second war of the Korean peninsula. U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger
The U.S. is prepared to launch a preemptive strike with conventional weapons against North Korea should officials become convinced that North Korea is about to follow through with a nuclear weapons test, multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

North Korea has warned that a "big event" is near, and U.S. officials say signs point to a nuclear test that could come as early as this weekend.


What do you say we evacuate to Enceladus now there's still time? :)
3913) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why are there suddenly BOINC-related Unix/Terminal apps in my Mac's Dock? (Message 77368)
Posted 13 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
After the Seti admins pointing out that the BOINC developer for the Mac was the the original porter/developer of the Seti science applications, I had a chat with him on this. He's willing to look into it, but after his vacation which starts tomorrow morning. He has promised me to look into it at the end of the month, when he's returned.

Sorry, I hope that in the mean time someone else will be able to explain why this happens.
3914) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why are there suddenly BOINC-related Unix/Terminal apps in my Mac's Dock? (Message 77360)
Posted 13 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Setigraphics application is used to show the Seti@Home screen saver/graphics.
If you see four of them, that means you have at least a four core CPU, running four Seti tasks.
Only CPU tasks have the Seti graphics, GPU tasks do no.

You could test if they go away if you tell OS X not to run the Seti screen saver.

If that 'fixes' it, you best walk over to the Seti forums and repost there and ask why it's doing this and hope that the Seti application developer for the Mac wanders by and can give an answer. For best viewing possibilities post in Number Crunching if you have sufficient RAC (more than 1), else post in the Macintosh forum in the Help Desk.
3915) Message boards : Questions and problems : Top 100 not been updated since Jan? (Message 77359)
Posted 13 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the backbenchers.
3916) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Creators Update (Message 77342)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Microsoft advises for software that doesn't work or that closes without a reason, to roll back to the Anniversary Edition and try again at a later time.
3917) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77340)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
John Warren Geils Jr., 71, founder and guitarist of The J. Geils Band
3918) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77339)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, and SETI does have a lot more servers to show the status of than your average BOINC project.
Which, for the name of the server page, shouldn't matter one iota. Whether it's called show_server_status page, or lookie_here_this_is_our_all_server_divided_into_colourful_columns_and_daily_fireworks page, that doesn't matter one thing for the contents of the page. Whether that shows a server more or less is just dependent on whether it can be monitored and if its lines of code are added.

But the users asked for the change, and David provided it. We were all there at the time...
Some more than others. Going back through the thread I don't see anyone asking for the name change, though, just that they could use the navigation bar equally on all pages - which is what this fixed in the end. .
3919) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU task seems to be stalling the progress of all CPU tasks, but still consuming 100% processor time (Message 77338)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set "Use at most N% of CPUs" to 99% or another value that would set your CPU to use all but one core. The value is an integer.
E.g. on a quad core (4) that's 75%-99%, leaving 3 cores to run work. On an octo core (8) that's 88%-99%, leaving 7 cores to do work.

All cores = 100%
Use at most = 100% divided by (all cores minus one) rounded up or down to the nearest whole figure.
3920) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing code on Bootstrap (Message 77337)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
[code][color=red]Red text[/color][/code]
3921) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77331)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the BOINC code it still is server_status.php: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/html/user/server_status.php
It even says in the documentation:
BOINC-based projects offer the following XML export at <code>URL/server_status.php</code>
But Seti being Seti, they always do things differently.

@Gary, the HTML page was officially deprecated in favor of the PHP page. It's still being updated (and cached), but it's not the official page.
The HTML page was deprecated because the new bootstrap code couldn't handle the page being HTML. Remember that when you were on the HTML page that you didn't see that you were logged in (on the right), and didn't have a link to your account from Project? That's why it is now no longer used, and instead we have the PHP page.

**Edit: Aarrgghhh, extra white lines.
3922) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77324)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup, they've changed the page name again. It used to be server_status.php, and is now show_server_status.php
So if you have a bookmark, like good old me, then it points to the old page, which in turn goes to the old HTML link when the project is down. And because the old HTML link is no longer used, it's the colourless B&W page.
3923) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing code on Bootstrap (Message 77317)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
[quote]Text[/quote]

[list]* Something
[/list]

[sup]Superscript[/sup]

[code]Code snippet here
[/code]
<code>1, 2, 3, 4, 5</code>
<code>1, 2, 3, 4, 5</code>

<url>https://google.com</url>
<url>https://google.com</url>
3924) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77316)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you check the link there, you'll see that's the old HTML page that temporarily gets linked to. It's the cached page and all and isn't the normal SSP, which instead lives these days under https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/server_status.php - but which on Tuesdays when it's offline points to the sah_status.html page.
3925) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing code on Bootstrap (Message 77314)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap; ">[url=https://google.com/]link to website[/url]</pre>

Test for Christian.
3926) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77302)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Open forum index, loads.
Open Number Crunching, and...
Project down for maintenance
Please check back in a few hours.
3927) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win10 - BOINC said to update, but now cannot run or uninstall (Message 77294)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If it's the missing msi problem, then try this post.

The FAQ that link points to is no longer around, Les. The old BOINC FAQs have died a sudden death due to a server change and the old software not being compatible with the new PHP version on the new server. Thus, please point to the new BOINC FAQs from here on in, which for that FAQ is at https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Windows_Installer_Error_1706:_Setup_cannot_find_the_required_files
3928) Message boards : BOINC client : seti@home screensaver (Message 77291)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti's screen saver application is only sent along with tasks that run on the CPU, not on the GPU.
According to your task list @ Seti, you run work solely on the built-in Intel GPU, which causes this. If you want to see the Seti screen saver, you'll have to allow work to run on the CPU.
3929) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc screensaver & Creators Update (Microsoft, Win10) (Message 77275)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Should you encounter black screen issues during the upgrade process, give your PC a few minutes. If nothing happens, perform a forced shutdown. This action should send your device straight to the “Installing apps/preparing your PC/We’ve got updates for you” screen.

Also, don’t forget to unplug any peripherals before your hit the upgrade button. Users report the screen will stay black (or in standby) after the update if you keep your peripherals connected.
-----
Users report that there is a compatibility issue between the Creators Update OS and Dolby Digital Live and DTS Interractive. Many users have rolled back to the Anniversary Update because the Realtek High Definition Audio driver doesn’t accept Dolby Digital Live and DTS Surround. For the time being, there is no fix available to solve this problem.
-----
It appears that the Creators Update drains computer memory. Users report that memory is full after the upgrade, causing their computers to freeze. Again, this issue forced many users to roll back.
-----
Despite having sufficient hard drive space, some users can’t upgrade to the Creators Update because the Update Assistant says there isn’t enough disk space available. The tools somehow fails to read the correct available space.
-----
Users report that the Edge Hub is unresponsive after installing the Creators Update. They can’t see or save their favorites and Edge freezes when they click on the Hub.
-----
Some users may also experience Internet connection issues after the upgrade. More specifically, users report that their modems can’t establish any Internet connection due to error 633. If you’ve encountered error 633, try uninstalling and reinstalling your modem drivers.
-----
Some of your Startup shortcuts may not properly run after installing the Creators Update. The startup apps affected by this issue are the ones that try to grab a port and are getting denied access.
-----
Many Creators Update users can’t launch any of the apps installed on their computers. The apps simply close unexpectedly.
-----
Interesting to see how much a Windows update actually breaks. But that last one is interesting, for the similarities displayed here.
3930) Message boards : The Lounge : Stress: The confusion created when one's mind overrides the body's basic desire to choke the living daylights out of some jerk who desperately deserves it (Message 77271)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Microsoft releasing a new update. everything on your computer works before the update. After the update some software is broken, and so instead of walking up to your Microsoft representative and demanding an answer as to why they broke things and what they're going to do to fix that, you walk up to the software developers and demand they fix the stuff Microsoft broke!
3931) Message boards : BOINC Manager : New ResourceShare values are not "read" by some hosts (Message 77270)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll wait until the developers at BAM have said anything about this: https://boincstats.com/en/forum/18/11507,1
3932) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU task seems to be stalling the progress of all CPU tasks, but still consuming 100% processor time (Message 77269)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The M@H task is only supposed to use 0.608 of a CPU, right?

Well, that value isn't set in stone, it's an advisory value. A minimum so to say.
Just about all OpenCL applications do like it to have a whole CPU core free for themselves, so rule of thumb is to free one CPU core per GPU.
3933) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc screensaver & Creators Update (Microsoft, Win10) (Message 77268)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows Creators Update (hahaha) broke the BOINC screen saver. It's known, the developers have been told. But without knowing where and what exactly broke, this is going to be difficult to fix. And is it even for BOINC to fix it? It's Microsoft that broke something in their update, because it worked prior to the update and it doesn't after the update. So why do the software developers then have to fix all the stuff Microsoft breaks?

I've for the moment put this break in Github: Issue #1856
3934) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 77265)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
...and lets be honest, boinc is withering on the vine of neglect.

https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue shows otherwise as do https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pulls and https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/commits/master. With BOINC being developed by the community it is now more productively being developed than it has been in the years there were just three paid developers plus a handful of volunteers. That this doesn't translate into a new client release every week is just because it isn't that easy to do so securely, and no one has stepped up to the plate yet and said they're going to do this.
3935) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 77250)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Amount of CPU cores is normally just one per task, unless the task is using a multithreaded application, and then it's all cores.
For GPUs it's always a minimum of one GPU per task, even when you run multiple tasks on a GPU, it's all the stream/CUDA cores that run each task.
3936) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Creators Update (Message 77247)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's a longer thread over at Seti, with a lot more information and questions asked/answers given: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81274
3937) Message boards : GPUs : Invalid tag ignore ATI Devices in cc_config.xml (Message 77242)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The XML for BOINC is specifically developed for BOINC, it isn't to be compared with regular XML.
You don't need an XML writer to write BOINC XML, and you certainly do not need to use Word, Wordpad, Wordpad++ or any other regular writer software to write BOINC XML, as these add invisible characters to the cc_config.xml file that BOINC cannot read, and as such it'll throw errors where there are none. An ASCII compatible text editor will do, such as Notepad or Notepad++.

Also, since BOINC XML isn't real XML it's best saved in plain ANSI encoding.

So just copy the below into Notepad.exe
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<ignore_ati_dev>0</ignore_ati_dev>
</options>
</cc_config>

Then do Save As...->File name cc_config.xml, Save as type: all files (*.*), Encoding ANSI -> Save.

Save to the BOINC data directory, default on Windows 10 in C:\Programdata\BOINC\ and exit& restart BOINC afterwards.
3938) Message boards : GPUs : Invalid tag ignore ATI Devices in cc_config.xml (Message 77238)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Works here as normal:
08/04/2017 18:31:56 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.33 for windows_x86_64
08/04/2017 18:31:57 |  | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0 (ignored by config): Radeon (TM) RX 470 Graphics (driver version 2236.10, device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (2236.10), 8192MB, 8192MB available, 5161 GFLOPS peak)
08/04/2017 18:31:57 |  | No usable GPUs found
08/04/2017 18:31:57 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI


And without:
08/04/2017 18:33:36 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.33 for windows_x86_64
08/04/2017 18:33:36 |  | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: Radeon (TM) RX 470 Graphics (driver version 2236.10, device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (2236.10), 8192MB, 8192MB available, 5161 GFLOPS peak)

So here's what I think is your problem: you didn't write the cc_config.xml with the correct application (Notepad or Notepad++) or didn't save in ANSI formatting. Don't write the cc_config.xml away in UTF-8 formatting, BOINC can't read that.
3939) Message boards : GPUs : Multiple installs of BOINC? (Message 77231)
Posted 7 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
That would only be possible if you added a Virtual Machine, installed an OS inside it, installed BOINC as a service in there, and installed BOINC as a normal installation in the main operating system. Not worth the time, really.
3940) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help? I could not detach the FiND@home project as long as there are no tasks to download (Message 77229)
Posted 7 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only reason why the detach/remove button wouldn't be available that I know of is when you added the project through an account manager. If you did that, you'll have to remove it through the account manager as well.

By the way, the image tags only work with true images (.png, .bmp, .jpg, .gif). You linked to the page showing the image, not the image itself. Which is why the image is showing as broken.
3941) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77207)
Posted 6 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dick Verheul, 60, radio DJ for Radio Mi Amigo, Radio Monique & Radio Hofstad.
3942) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77198)
Posted 6 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably small envelopes with large deposit checks. ;-)
3943) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77196)
Posted 6 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Simple answer - turn it around.
Yeah, I doubt we can do that, as that may be an infringement on their freedom. And plus Americans are never terrorists...
Good question
Ouch! Who came up with that idea?
3944) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Mac client, Notices tab brings up "localhost" in browser (Message 77194)
Posted 6 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC developer for the Mac knows about it, but cannot fix it as his system is too old to run the newest OS X.
It's also seemingly a bug in (parts of) the latest OS X. For all the information about it, see this thread.

(And for future reference, when BOINC works perfectly fine with a previous OS X, and not after the update, it most likely isn't the fault of BOINC, but more of the OS X update...)
3945) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77185)
Posted 6 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone here wanting to visit anyone over there in the USA? Do it now... before the extreme vetting policy is going into action. With the extreme vetting you are required to reveal mobile phone contacts, social media passwords, financial data and answer questions on ideology.

This could require people to hand over their phones so officials can study their stored contacts and possibly other information. The aim is to “figure out who you are communicating with”, a senior Department of Homeland Security official was quoted as saying. “What you can get on the average person’s phone can be invaluable.”

A second change would ask applicants for their social media handles and passwords, so that officials could see information posted privately in addition to public posts, the Journal said.

Kelly told a House homeland security committee hearing in February: “We want to say for instance, ‘What sites do you visit? And give us your passwords,’ so that we can see what they do on the internet. If they don’t want to give us that information then they don’t come.”


Try to explain you really do not have a Facebook account. "Everyone has a Facebook account, sir, so don't lie to us!"
I wouldn't even be able to give them the required info, as all my passwords - and there's around 70 of them now - are stored in Keepass. I don't remember them all, only the one for Keepass. :)
3946) Message boards : BOINC Manager : how to disable automatic use of VirtualBox? (Message 77181)
Posted 5 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Aside from the option through cc_config.xml, as far as I know, as long as you do not run any project that (also) has work through a VM, BOINC won't load a VM into VirtualBox. So one of the projects you run must've loaded this VM, and normally you ought to be able to tell through the project preferences if you want to do so. Unless such project only runs tasks through VMs, but then you would know how come BOINC is using it.
3947) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77161)
Posted 5 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone else here getting friend requests from someone through email, that never show up in your account? If you do, can you please post the account's name?
3948) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices tab goes to web page (Message 77120)
Posted 3 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could it have to do with the default browser, Charlie? That the OS set a different browser as default browser, but not everything is following that, and that the user has to set it up separately as well?

I'm still not sure if this problem now happens as soon as people click the Notices tab, or after they open the tab and try to follow a notice.
3949) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77119)
Posted 3 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Royal Navy 'far weaker' than it was during Falklands War
Britain's Royal Navy is substantially weaker than it was during the Falklands War but could still "cripple" Spain, military experts have said.

I don't think I could stand another ten years of this fighting
All this stabbing and wounding - only getting my own back
I don't want to batter you to your feet and knees and elbows
When I'm kneeling like a candle at the foot of my own bed
Corresponding disasters every night on the TV
Sickening reality keeps gripping me in its guts
All my friends talk and joke and laugh about Armageddon
But like a nightmare it's still waiting there at the end of every day
War baby - you were a
War baby - this means
War baby - I'm scared, so scared
© Tom Robinson, 1983, "War baby"
3950) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 77107)
Posted 2 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ikutaro Kakehashi, 87, founder of Roland drum computers & synthesizers. Also developed MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface), still the standard today for communication of electronic music instruments and computers.
3951) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices tab goes to web page (Message 77097)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developer for the Mac, he is unable to reproduce the problem because his hardware is too old to run OS X 10.12
So, in all honesty, we don't know how to fix this. It's probably something is OS X 10.12 that's doing this, as it didn't do it in previous versions and BOINC didn't change. So, ask at Mac forums?
3952) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to install BOINC (Message 77092)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reasons why you can get the message "'application.exe' is not a valid win 32 application":
1. You have a corrupt download on your hands, fixed by downloading the file again, preferably saving it to a different location.
2. You have the wrong file, one for a 64bit Windows. Make sure you downloaded the correct version.
3. The error can be generated by a file that is a virus, worm, Trojan, or other type of malware file. Often, this will be caused because the virus scanner installed in the computer will not allow the file to be installed or run. Try scanning the file to verify it is not a virus and/or infected.
- If the file has been checked and is clean, it is still possible that the virus protection program and/or another program installed on the computer is causing issues during the install or execution of the program. Boot the computer into Safe Mode and try running the program; booting the computer into Safe Mode will make sure nothing is running in the background that could be causing this issue.

Make sure you download it from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
3953) Message boards : Questions and problems : HELP? Message:"VM Hypervisor failed to enter an online state in a timely fashion" running LHC@Home CMS Simulation 47.60 (Message 77089)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the answer by Crystal Pellet in http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/forum_thread.php?id=4160&postid=29347 for hints.
3954) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77082)
Posted 31 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I check this board once in a blue moon
You just post a lot, rant at others? Because for someone who says he doesn't read a lot here, you're quite a lot around. 26 times in the past 7 days. That's not hardly ever, almost never, scarcely ever, rarely, very seldom what once in a blue moon implies.
3955) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77075)
Posted 31 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Therefore they must still have a script somewhere that says basically

Is this machine top end?
If yes, send big workunits
If no send standard workunits

Problem is, how to define a top end machine? BOINC may send the information about the CPU & GPU to the server, but that's just for statistics, the server & scheduler don't do anything with the information at Seti. That's why when you start at the project and get stock applications, you're sent a wild variety of applications to run through. The plan class? It's mainly there to avoid sending work to a computer using wrong drivers.

The BOINC back end does have an option for sending work to trusted computers, so perhaps that there's something to work with. But even slow computers can be trusted, as long as they send in the results before the deadline.

So then you end up at Homogeneous Redundancy, which could be enabled and then work is sent to the same hardware. This is then where the information about the CPU & GPU is being used. But it requires a new setup of the project. They can't just add this option and continue with it without having to wait until all present work out is back in.
3956) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77069)
Posted 31 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, I tried to make a joke about that, but couldn't so quickly think of something. I feel mostly sorry for them.
Of course, the next thing that'll happen is that ISPs are forbidding the use of VPNs, or that VPN services will gather all that data to then sell it on.

But just for the Verizon users, do know that even Android has firewall software. Yes, that will also be forbidden soon, but until that is done, get something like NoRoot Firewall. It really does what it says on the tin, has decreased my data usage by 80%.
3957) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77065)
Posted 31 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The ink on the signature hasn't dried yet, or Verizon is already rolling out the first spyware to Android phones.
From Verizon's AppFlash privacy policy:
We collect information about your device and your use of the AppFlash services. This information includes your mobile number, device identifiers, device type and operating system, and information about the AppFlash features and services you use and your interactions with them. We also access information about the list of apps you have on your device.

With your permission, AppFlash also collects information about your device’s precise location from your device operating system as well as contact information you store on your device.

How information is used and shared
Information we collect is used to deliver, maintain and support AppFlash services; enhance application features; customize and personalize your experiences including the advertisements you see; and provide social network interactions. Location information enhances your AppFlash experience, by, for example, providing nearby restaurant and movie options. Contact information stored on your device is used to facilitate calls you initiate from within the AppFlash experience.

AppFlash information may be shared within the Verizon family of companies, including companies like AOL who may use it to help provide more relevant advertising within the AppFlash experiences and in other places, including non-Verizon sites, services and devices.


Good luck, y'all in America.
3958) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77017)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The original Alan Parsons Project, Sirius.
Wikipedia article on it.
3959) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 77014)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not possible, it's only 1m 54s long before it segues into Eye in the Sky.
3960) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.7/7.8 Change Log (Message 77013)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.7.2 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.33 -> 7.7.2

  • client: parse njobs_error in state file (don't lose info on transition)
  • client: send acct keys to acct manager only for projects attached via acct mgr.
  • Mac: modify Xcode project and build script setupForBOINC.sh for new approach to compatibility between production builds and Travis CI builds. The paths to the correct dependent library are now specified entirely in the Header Search Paths and Library SearchPaths for each target instead of the LD Flags, and we no longer use symbolic links in a mac3rdParty directory.
  • Mac: Remove references to the obsolete targets MakeAppIcon_h and WaitPermissions from build script.
  • Mac: fix compile error from Xcode 8. All APIs deprecated as of OS 10.12 are now replaced, except for the following: [1] MGR: MacAccessibility.mm. Updating the accessibility support will require a complete rewrite to use Apple's new NSAccessibility APIs, which are not available on systems prior to OS 10.10, while retaining the current code for use with older versions of OS X. [2] API: Apple has deprecated many OpenGL / GLUT APIs as of OS 10.12. This affects these files in libboinc_graphics2.a: graphics2_unix.cpp, gutil_text.cpp and gutil.cpp. Apple recommends their proprietary APIs to replace OpenGL / GLUT. [3] All: Apple has deprecated libstdc++ and recommends switching to libc++ with a minimum deployment target of OS X 10.9, but that would eliminate support for OS 10.6 through OS 10.8.
  • lib: Mac: fix compile error from Xcode 8.
  • SCR: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.12.
  • MGR: Mac: finish replacing all Mac APIs deprecated in OS 10.12, except in MacAccessibility.mm as explained in commit 75179d8, but replace one API in MacAccessibility.mm that was deprecated in OS 10.6.
  • client: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.12
  • client: fix estimate of job RAM usage
  • client: add report_results_immediately config on project and app levels
  • SCR: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • client: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • Mac: add new header file needed for replacing system() calls with posix_spawn() calls.
  • Mac: Fix build break on Mac caused by commit 5df6f25. HAVE_CONFIG_H is not defined in Mac builds of most BOINC modules.
  • MGR: Mac: use a macro in Mac Manager precompiled header to substitute posix_spawn() calls for all system() calls, since system() is deprecated in Mac OS 10.10 and Apple says to use posix_spawn() instead.
  • Mac: add new mac_spawn.cpp to project to facilitate replacing system() calls with posix_spawn() calls as instructed by Apple, since system() is deprecated in mac OS 10.10.
  • SCR: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.9
  • Mac: Remove targets from Xcode project for building obsolete applications MakeAppIcon_h and WaitPermissions. Note: See comments in make_app_icon_h.cpp and mac_icon.cpp for new instructions for adding icons to science applications.
  • Mac: Replace all deprecated APIs (as of OS 10.12) in AddRemoveUser command line utility
  • lib: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.9
  • SCR: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.9
  • client: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.9
  • MGR: Fix indentations
  • MGR: Fix bug I introduced in commit 91784e9 earlier today.
  • SCR: Mac: Fix bug I introduced in commit ab38f2f earlier today.
  • Mac: add comments that mac_icon.cpp and MakeAppIcon_h utility are obsolete, describing new preferred method for adding icons to Mac science applications.
  • Mac: Update Xcode project to support replacement of all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.8
  • lib: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.8
  • SCR: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.8
  • MGR: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.8
  • client: Mac: replace all deprecated Mac APIs as of OS 10.8
  • lib: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • SCR: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • MGR: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • client: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • client: finish fix for AM prefs (BAM! used mixed http/https, needed to strip that off)
  • client: finish last commit
  • client: revert misguided attempt to persist acct mgr info
  • client: ignore computing prefs from project if we're using prefs from acct mgr.
  • Merge pull request #1768 from AenBleidd/ClientVersionCheck
  • MGR: Version check. Fix linux build.
  • MGR: Version check. Remove code duplicates.
  • MGR: Version check. Add menu to Simple view.
  • MGR: Version check. Added new menu option 'Help'->'Check for new version'. Fixed XML new version responce parse.
  • client: Version check. Fix message about new version.
  • client: Version check. Add force version check.
  • MGR: Version check. Remove unuseful comment.
  • MGR: Add dummy version check.
  • Merge pull request #1770 from AenBleidd/FixManagerCompileWarnings
  • client: fix compile warning
  • server: add support for constant input files
  • client: fix typo
  • client: include # GPUs in <host_info> XML, including acct mgr requests
  • client: add option to use SOCKS5 for DNS
  • Merge pull request #1750 from AenBleidd/Issue1748
  • MGR: Enable always 'Advance View' menu item in Simple mode. 'Advance view' item is enabled always even if Manager doesn't connected to client. As requested in issue 1748.
  • client: code formatting
  • client: when attaching to an AM, see if account file exists
  • client: tweak account manager logic
  • Merge pull request #1656 from AenBleidd/Issue1510
  • Fix issue #1510: MGR: Ensure start page is in page stack when launching in auto-attach mode
  • client: njobs_fail, not njobs_error
  • client: account per-project CPU and GPU usage; report to account managers
  • client: fix compile errors and warnings
  • client: report project-level REC to account managers
  • client: fix bug in benchmark CPU selection
  • MGR: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • SCR: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • client: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • SCR: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • MGR: Mac: continue replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • MGR: Mac: begin replacing deprecated Mac APIs
  • Merge pull request #1711 from AenBleidd/Issue1519Fixed
  • Fix issue #1519: MGR: Maximized window state is not restored on startup. Fix 'if' statement.
  • Fix issue #1519: MGR: Maximized window state is not restored on startup
  • client: consolidate comments in GPU code
  • client: add ability to fake an OpenCL GPU Goal: improved support for OpenCL GPUs of random types (i.e. not Nvidia/AMD/Intel).
  • Mac: fix typos in comments in build scripts ad build instructions
  • Mac: Minor clean up of Xcode project from previous commit
  • Mac: Update to build with openssl 1.1.0, c-ares 1.11.0 and curl 7.50.2.
  • client: prioritize network (including GUI RPC) over async file ops
  • client: fix bug that could cause idle CPUs/GPUs.
  • VBOX: Update COM interface file to 5.1.2 version. It looks like something changed and now all 5.1.2 clients are failing with older vboxwrappers.
  • VBOX: Make the screen shot feature optional. It is now turned on via a vbox_job.xml flag.
  • client: win compile fix
  • Merge pull request #1575 from marius311/boot_iso
  • VBOX: added boot_iso option
  • client: task properties tweak
  • client: Win typo fix
  • client: fix problems w/ tempfile generation for async file operations
  • client: change temp file prefixes to 5 chars
  • client: fix minor memory leak
  • client: fix bug where concurrent async file operations use same temp file
  • VBOX: Fix build break.
  • VBOX: Attempt to wake the console before attempting to take a screenshot, to work around a VirtualBox bug.
  • VBOX: Upgrade to the RTM build of the VirtualBox 5.1 COM interface file.
  • VBOX: Fix check pointing code in the vboxmanage interface.
  • VBOX: Only attempt to take a screen shot if VirtualBox is greater than 5.0 (VboxManage Interface)
  • VBOX: Only attempt to take a screen shot if the VM is online.
  • VBOX: Formatting changes to stderr log
  • VBOX: Explicitly use GetSafeArrayPtr() on the CComSafeArray object instead of relying on a cast, it might be what is causing the screen shot corruption.
  • VBOX: Treat ERR_INVALID_PARAM from create_vm() as an unrecoverable error.
  • VBOX: Screen shots can only be taken while the VM is running and we hold the session lock. Make sure we take them before attempting to clean-up.
  • VBOX: Bug fixes for previous commit.
  • VBOX: Take a screen shot on failure and dump the base64 encoded image to stderr.
  • VBOX: Dump Vbox logs when the heartbeat fails.
    * VBOX: Code cleanup - streamline the hypervisor initialization code a bit.



Since this version is more of a proof of concept installment than a real alpha version, I am not linking its downloads. Until we hear from David himself which of the above commits are included in the client, take with a large grain of salt.

3961) Message boards : Questions and problems : pogs: Notice from BOINC (Message 77007)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Setting the 'Notice reminder interval' to "never" (Options | Other options...) will make the notices less obtrusive.

This will only disable the balloon notification from the Windows system tray, it will not disable the Notices, these still gather in the Notices tab and the tab itself shows how many unread notices one has.
3962) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77004)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
US internet service providers will soon no longer need consent from users to share browsing history with marketers and other third parties.
On Tuesday the House of Representatives voted to repeal an Obama-era law that demanded ISPs have permission to share personal information - including location data.

Supporters of the move said it would increase competition, but critics said it would have a “chilling effect” on online privacy.
President Donald Trump is expected to sign the order soon.


A 10000% growth of the use of VPN in 3, 2, 1...

The law, passed last October days before President Trump was elected, and due to take effect by the end of this year, would have forced ISPs to get clear permission from users to share personal data such as "precise geo-location, financial information, health information, children’s information, social security numbers, web browsing history, app usage history and the content of communications”.

Furthermore, ISPs would have been ordered to allow their customers the ability to opt out of the sharing of less sensitive information, like an email address.

No, can't have all that overhead.
3963) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 77003)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Article 50: May signs letter that will trigger Brexit
Finally. :)

Theresa May has signed the letter that will formally begin the UK's departure from the European Union.
Giving official notice under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, it will be delivered to European Council president Donald Tusk later.

Who will rip it up in little pieces and throw them out of the window to show how the EC is solving this democratically.
3964) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issues with Boinc and VirtualBox (Message 77001)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Sam,

I have forwarded this to the BOINC developers, but so that they can easier answer you or ask more information, and for all of the present (volunteer) BOINC/wrapper developers/users to see this, I ask you that you repost this on the BOINC development email list: https://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev (the list requires registration to post on it).
3965) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 77000)
Posted 29 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Lancet reports Restoration of reaching and grasping movements through brain-controlled muscle stimulation in a person with tetraplegia: a proof-of-concept demonstration.

We report the findings of an individual with traumatic high-cervical spinal cord injury who coordinated reaching and grasping movements using his own paralysed arm and hand, reanimated through implanted FES, and commanded using his own cortical signals through an intracortical brain–computer interface (iBCI).[/url]
3966) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76988)
Posted 28 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh and no headphones if they are imaging your head.
It was a scan of my head. But apparently it's impossible to lie in the MRI without ear protection.
3967) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76969)
Posted 28 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Survived the EMG, that one was interesting. Getting electrical shocks on arms and legs to see if all the muscles work as they should.

The MRI was something I'd rather quickly forget. Brrr, if possible, never go in there again. I went in fully and it isn't as roomy as they make believe in the TV series and movies. And for 20 of the 25 minutes I was in there, I didn't have any music. Not that the 5 minutes with the music it was played loud enough that I couldn't hear the noises the MRI makes. Damn.
3968) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76965)
Posted 28 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, fun filled day at the hospital. I'm there already, waiting for the EMG, followed by an MRI.
3969) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 76962)
Posted 28 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Scary...
Elon Musk Launches Neuralink to Connect Brains With Computers

Unless... April Fool's Day is around the corner.
3970) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 76960)
Posted 28 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Clem Curtis, 76, British singer of The Foundations
Alessandro Alessandroni, 92, Italian musician and composer (mostly known for the whistling in spaghetti westerns, like The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, Once Upon a Time in the West, Pervirella)
3971) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I set up my computing preferances so I do not have programs waiting to run. (Message 76959)
Posted 28 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As Les said, the GPU can by default only run one task at a time but all of the processors inside the GPU will run that task in parallel. Thus speeding up the calculations enormously. In comparison, the CPU will only run 1 task per core.

Some projects do allow to run multiple tasks on the GPU at once, these will then be swapped in and out between them. Whether that's possible with the project of choice is something you'd have to ask the project through their forums.

Leaving one CPU core free will speed up calculations on the GPU, but for those projects that have multi-threaded applications. As these may require all of the CPU threads, and by limiting the CPU to all but one, these may stop. Milkyway has multi-threaded applications, how to set that up is best asked on their forums.
3972) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76958)
Posted 28 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can't see how it might be related to Seti but one has to wonder??

Seti's outage (and the BOINC server for that matter) was related to something running internal, overwhelming the system: Nebula. Since Einstein is on the receiving end of that, that may be the coincidence.
3973) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 76927)
Posted 27 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's going to be quite labour intensive to get the change logs out.

Because TortoiseGit doesn't work on my system - it's missing something due to which it doesn't show up in Windows Explorer at all - I have to resort to another Git GUI, in this case SmartGit. But however smart it may be, it's not smart enough to just give me a log printout of all the changes from a certain date or tag. So I would have to manually copy all the messages from the message window to Notepad, which with over 2,500 commits since June 2016 is going to be too much work for me.

I'll have to figure out another way to do this. Or give up.
3974) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 76926)
Posted 27 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
A separate thread about the new development version is what I had in mind anyway, but has nothing to do with the request by Charlie to add a separate branch and tag in gitHub. That's just done so all the development of the newer client doesn't happen in Master. But as far as I know, development always happened in Master, until the client was far enough along, that it would go into production numbering and get its own branch - in this case 7.8
But to get to 7.8 we first have to traverse a lot of 7.7s.
3975) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can I change accounts after work starts on a unit? (Message 76924)
Posted 27 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can change to another account by detaching/reattaching to another account, but will lose all work in progress in the process. Any credit this other account acquired will stay with that account. Accounts cannot be merged.
3976) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I set up my computing preferances so I do not have programs waiting to run. (Message 76923)
Posted 27 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have an i7 with 6 cores and hyperthreading, meaning it can run 12 threads at the same time.
Which it is doing, as according to you it's running 12 Cosmology tasks.

You have 'a GPU' as well, without saying what kind of. If this is the built-in Intel GPU in the CPU, all of them lack in the solo crunching department and do better if you allow one CPU core to be free to help them out (set Use at most N% of CPUs to 99%, which means all but one).
If it's an Nvidia, AMD or other brand GPU, you'll have to detail what brand and model it is and with what drivers and where it got the drivers from.
3977) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76913)
Posted 26 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, I see. For fun and games, I only have to be here, like you are. Stirring here, stirring there, see how far you can go. But remember what I told you.
3978) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76909)
Posted 26 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just found my system being very loudly. it appears there's a problem with my GPU fan. I'd seen this one since the beginning, where Speedfan doesn't always show the fanspeed of the GPU, lots of times just showing '0 RPM'. But this time it truly was at 0 RPM, while idle. Meaning the GPU temp at idle was 76C... and with just a bit of load on it, the fan was really loud.

Fixed that with a reboot. Will address that to Sapphire.
Back to Orsinium in ESO for now.

Edit: I installed TriXX 3.0 which has gotten it under control. That the CPU fans stop at times is apparently normal, when the GPU is idle it doesn't need extra cooling and shuts the fans down. Fine. I've now set up that the Sapphire on the card shows by the colour what temperature it is at, so I can see that in passing.
3979) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I set up my computing preferances so I do not have programs waiting to run. (Message 76904)
Posted 26 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be nice for people trying to help you if they had some information about your setup, which project(s) you run and what you are trying to do. Now it isn't clear. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 for what kind of information we're looking for.
3980) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 76903)
Posted 26 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
I released a new version of the client for Win.
Changes:

- An accumulation of enhancement/fixes in the manager and client since June 2016.
- The Vbox versions include VBox 5.1.18
- not code-signed (I didn't have the $200 needed to renew the certificate).
- built by me rather than Rom (hopefully I did it right).

Please give it a try.
Alpha testers can report bugs here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

-- David
I'll add the change log notes as soon as I can figure out how to get them through SmartGit, the only program that seems to be working on my PC.
3981) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76899)
Posted 26 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
How odd, my rx480 does 6-7 per hour too, guess there's not much between the two gpu's ;-)
As far as I know, you have about 300 stream processors more than I have, 2048 vs 2304, and the RX470 uses less electricity. But that's about it. http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-RX-480-vs-Radeon-RX-470
3982) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76887)
Posted 26 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not weird the server is down: all BLC work and all VLAR. My RX470 has no problems with them though, just chewing through them, 7 an hour.
3983) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76857)
Posted 25 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to Eric the main server hung twice in the past 24 hours with no obvious reason. Electronic gremlins.
3984) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76849)
Posted 25 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It feels like Seti has taken over the database problem that was plaguing these forums for a while. Not sure if it's fixed here though, and if they added said fix over there. No one ever tells me anything. ;-)

Edit: emailed Jeff. Will see if he answers. Off to ESO for me, it's the Jesters Festivities!
3985) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76846)
Posted 25 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think the Seti forums just went down again, getting time outs on loading pages. Reporting & downloading of work still works, though.
3986) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76804)
Posted 25 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your Über Troll entering this thread. I've given out warnings, I hope those of you who got them heed them. They're the only ones I give. Continue and the next thing you notice is a 24 hour sitting on the sidelines.

Knut, cut it out with all the accounts. It's bad for nettiquette, As if you ever heard of that.
3987) Message boards : GPUs : How to exclude multiple GPUs for a given Project, using GPU_Exclude ? (Message 76750)
Posted 24 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What a I would say on the GPU numbering. is on some mobos/gpus it is different; which is why I guess you said *usually.
That's in case the motherboard or CPU comes with a built-in GPU, which both Intel and AMD now do. But where the Intel GPU is then just device 0 of that brand, in the case of AMD APUs, I would expect the built-in Radeon to be device 0 and any next GPU of that brand to be device 1, 2 etc.

Of course, an APU won't have a massive motherboard that allows for plugging in of multiple cards. Whereas motherboards with a built-in GPU are becoming scarce because of the built-in ones in CPUs.

Also when you plug in an Nvidia in this case, whether or not the built-in AMD/other brand GPU is device 0 is moot, because whichever Nvidia is first is that brand's device 0. :)

And motherboards with a version of an Nvidia GPU built-in, normally don't allow for plugging of anything else in there. E.g. ION based motherboards.
3988) Message boards : GPUs : How to exclude multiple GPUs for a given Project, using GPU_Exclude ? (Message 76745)
Posted 24 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
a) and b) are correctly set up. Although in the case of a) it won't hurt to specify the GPU brand, makes it more readable for the future as well.
Yes, GPU numbers start from 0. That's a hardware number, not BOINC specific. Usually the GPU in the slot closest to the output connectors on the back, or using the top PCIe slot in a tower, is device 0.
Intel GPUs are always device 0, there's no further numbering because Intel GPUs are built into the CPU and till thus far there's only one GPU built in.

Editing posts is only possible for the duration of one hour after you posted something, or until the sun dies when you're a moderator. :)
3989) Message boards : GPUs : How to exclude multiple GPUs for a given Project, using GPU_Exclude ? (Message 76727)
Posted 23 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try Jord's answer first, he wrote the FAQs... ;-)
Sure... blame me. :)
3990) Message boards : GPUs : How to exclude multiple GPUs for a given Project, using GPU_Exclude ? (Message 76722)
Posted 23 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's the latter. You tell BOINC which device it's about, per device.
But watch out when you mix GPU brands, as both main brands have their own device numbers.

So if for instance you add two Nvidia and two AMD GPUs in one computer, it's for both device 0 and device 1.
It's just that it's Nvidia device 0, Nvidia device 1, and AMD device 0, AMD device 1.
In all other cases, same brand it's device 0, device 1, device 2, device 3, device 4.
3991) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76685)
Posted 22 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
But make very sure you read the time and date on that page.

[As of 22 Mar 2017, 16:10:04 UTC]

Which is now, 10 minutes ago. Unless all of you are already living on Thursday the 23rd?
3992) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76678)
Posted 22 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bookmark https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_server_status.php
According to that, everything -but for the forums- works.
3993) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76672)
Posted 22 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cleaned up some, there's still some remaining that I don't yet know what to do with, but expect that to be moved to the Politics thread later on as well. Please keep the personal attacks away from the open forums. And post everything political in the Politics thread (11404). If it sounds political, if it smells like... post it over there. That includes all comments on the situation at the UK Parliament and Westminster Bridge.
3994) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 76664)
Posted 22 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reports of shots outside UK Parliament

Sky News live stream
3995) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76643)
Posted 22 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow Jord you kept the " appointment" of Mark as your " new mod " here rather quiet

You're all moderators, just without the visible title and the buttons. You can all tell (the) other person(s) what they do wrong and how to correct that, you don't need me for that. You should see me as little as possible, then everything runs as it should be. And therefore, if someone needs me, I'm on the NA server of The Elderscrolls Online, One Tamriel. Hacking some draugr's to death with my Champion 160 char.
3996) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 76562)
Posted 20 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Rockefeller, 101, American banker and philanthropist.
3997) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76561)
Posted 20 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Loads normal here. But I think that the database problem that plagues these forums sometimes are plaguing Seti as well.
3998) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 76545)
Posted 20 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Finally!
U.K. to Trigger Brexit March 29

Prime Minister Theresa May will file divorce papers to leave the European Union on March 29, launching two years of complex negotiations that will pit the U.K.’s need for a trade deal against the bloc’s view that Britain shouldn’t benefit from Brexit.
3999) Message boards : GPUs : Can not configure GPU's (Message 76523)
Posted 18 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two things.

1. Make sure the file is called cc_config.xml and that when you made it it didn't get an extra .txt extension, as then it doesn't work. If need be, show file extensions in Windows Explorer options.
2. Add use_all_gpus as well, as without that BOINC might still ignore the second GPU. All GPU decisions are made at BOINC startup, but as far as I know, the use_all_gpus bit of code is done before excluding any GPU.

So:
<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/</url>
<device_num>0</device_num>
</exclude_gpu>
</options>
</cc_config>
4000) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 76502)
Posted 17 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before it locks...
Edit: oops, wrong page

Retract
4001) Message boards : Questions and problems : ** Solved ** Retrieving donations made to each project, via code/XML files? (Message 76486)
Posted 16 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PayPalDonations has more information about how to set it up.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/html/project.sample/donations.inc shows the donations privately to the user only.
4002) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 76442)
Posted 14 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Erdogan slams Dutch over Srebrenica
Probably time this guy bought a real history book, not the one with alternative facts and seen through those pink glasses that he's wearing.

Of course, according to the same dickwad we're already Nazi remnants & fascists, so a bit of Muslim killing is right up our alley.
On top of that, the Turkish Parliament Speaker compared Dutch PM Mark Rutte to Hitler, Franco & Mussolini.
Then Erdogan told 'foreigners, Turks and Muslims in The Netherlands' not to vote for the VVD or the PVV tomorrow in our elections. Anyone saying something about Turkish politics or elections gets him and his cronies over them demanding that they stay out of their country's politics.
4003) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76427)
Posted 14 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy International Pi Day, all!
Pi Day: A number of things to know
4004) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 76391)
Posted 13 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone is so scared for Geert, but if you're just here and following all the news you would've known that Geert isn't one for ruling, but always the Opposition. Going towards the elections, he'll say a couple of things that most of his followers don't like, or he'll block a lot of them on Twitter. This automatically makes his party less 'wanted' in the polls, it'll drop from its high to bad and worse and even below that of the present liberals. - But then, who trusts polls after the Trump disaster?

We'll know next week who has won the elections, and if it is the PVV even then he won't rule. Not unless he manages to solely get 76 seats, which he won't.
4005) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 76382)
Posted 12 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, the Turks and international diplomacy. Of course the first thing you then say is that the other party are nazi's, fascists and that if one does not what you want them to do that you'll hit them with sanctions and closure of embassies and consulates. Yes, thumbs up Erdogan! Your international diplomacy needs totally no changes of policy.

Sad.
4006) Message boards : The Lounge : Popular Conspiracy theories (Message 76375)
Posted 12 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had warned this guy yesterday already that if he continued posting with his new account, that it would be banished forever. Consider that done. No CTs needed for that.
Any next/further accounts you see he posts with, let us know, they're going to get a 'forever' banishment immediately, as will his old accounts, once they return from the dead room. I've had enough, Knut is persona non grata, with any account he makes here. Time we get validated email addresses in BOINC.
4007) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 76360)
Posted 11 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
World War 3 starts here...
4008) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 76346)
Posted 10 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Robert James Waller, 77, writer (The Bridges of Madison County)
4009) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76317)
Posted 9 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein has redundancy with having their backup servers available in different parts of the world, so there is always one you can download from and upload to/report to. And when your normal server is down, BOINC will automatically switch to the next nearest one to try on the next contact.
Einstein also actively checks their data for the things they are looking for, and checked data is either discarded of or added to a database that isn't actively associated with the project.

Seti however has everything together in one place, both the primary as the secondary server. It also has several terabytes of data to backup, not an easy feat. When you're doing home backups of your system you know that backing up several hundreds of gigabytes can already take an hour or more, so what do you think several terabytes will set you back? And it's not just the backup, you'll have to check the integrity of that backup as well. Extra hours.

Seti may now have a good way of checking the data they accumulated since 1999 - with Nebula - but they still need to keep all that data together. And it is added to on a daily basis.
As for sizes of database and files and how long everything takes to check with Nebula, do start reading from https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/nebula_web/storage.php onwards.
4010) Message boards : Questions and problems : Waiting to contact project servers (Message 76308)
Posted 8 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Referencing the project outage thread, ChristianB posted there:
It seems the complete DNS-Zone for bakerlab.org just vanished from public nameservers. I wrote an email to the company that hosts the .org TLD DNS Servers in the hope they fix it.

In the meantime you can reach the website by using the IP directly: http://128.95.160.140/rosetta/ the more technical inclined can try to hack their /etc/hosts file in order to get the Client working again. You can resolve IPs manually using this form: https://www.digwebinterface.com/?hostnames=boinc.bakerlab.org&type=A&useresolver=8.8.4.4&ns=self&nameservers=ns5.bakerlab.org


Jacob posted their Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/rosettaathome
About Rosetta@Home and their DNS issues, this is from their twitter feed:

Rosetta@HOME‏ @rosettaathome 23m23 minutes ago
We're doing everything we can to get the slow moving http://dotster.com to get this resolved and http://bakerlab.org active again.

Rosetta@HOME‏ @rosettaathome 24m24 minutes ago
We started the steps to getting it verified Monday afternoon. What should have been a 10 minute procedure is now stretching into 2 days.

Rosetta@HOME‏ @rosettaathome 26m26 minutes ago
Due to a registration verification lapse our registrar (http://dotster.com ) and ICANN turned off DNS for http://bakerlab.org .

Rosetta@HOME‏ @rosettaathome Mar 6
We are experiencing DNS issues with http://bakerlab.org which may take a day to resolve. Sorry for any inconvenience.


So it is being worked on.
4011) Message boards : Questions and problems : Waiting to contact project servers (Message 76300)
Posted 8 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosetta seems to have undergone some sort of catastrophic breakdown, its whole domain has been unavailable for days on end. That's all we know.
4012) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76277)
Posted 7 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
And they're down, 5:40am Pacific.
4013) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory now getting over filled. (Message 76271)
Posted 7 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Question from project administrators, which version of VirtualBox are you using? If the version you state in your signature, do know that that one doesn't work well with Windows 10.
Update to 5.1.14 in the least.

David has in the mean time put a probable fix in for memory problems, but that won't show until we get a next client - whenever that is.

Also, can you run one of the projects to capacity and then enable mem_usage_debug via BOINC Manager->Options->Event Log options->check mem_usage_debug->OK.
Next open the Event Log, CTRL+SHIFT+E and copy/paste the messages from there.

I know this copying of the log could be problematic when your system is neigh on crashing, but do know that it's still logging all this to a file on disk as well, so if you need to reboot, that's no problem.

After a reboot, pause everything, then navigate to your BOINC data directory, default a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\ (so just fill in the path in Windows Explorer and hit Enter) and find stdoutdae.txt, open it with Notepad, scroll to the very end and select the last 40-50 lines, post those here.

Don't forget to disable the debug flag, BOINC Manager->Options->Event Log options->uncheck mem_usage_debug->OK.
4014) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory now getting over filled. (Message 76243)
Posted 4 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reading this thread over at LHC, they should be aware of the problem of the LHCb application needing 2GB per task, but reporting just 480MB being used to BOINC. This is why BOINC allows more tasks to run than there is actual memory in the system. It can't accurately act on this when the application isn't telling it what is being used.

That thread also advises to set up an app_config.xml file to force BOINC to just run that many tasks so that memory use stays under your maximum.
All I can further do is report this to the BOINC developers and hope they talk about it with the project that their applications should return the correct memory usage.
4015) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76222)
Posted 3 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well now, when a big one like Amazon does an oopsie, it's a big one.
At 9:37AM PST, an authorized S3 team member using an established playbook executed a command which was intended to remove a small number of servers for one of the S3 subsystems that is used by the S3 billing process. Unfortunately, one of the inputs to the command was entered incorrectly and a larger set of servers was removed than intended.

Removing a significant portion of the capacity caused each of these systems to require a full restart. While these subsystems were being restarted, S3 was unable to service requests. Other AWS services in the US-EAST-1 Region that rely on S3 for storage, including the S3 console, Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud (EC2) new instance launches, Amazon Elastic Block Store (EBS) volumes (when data was needed from a S3 snapshot), and AWS Lambda were also impacted while the S3 APIs were unavailable.

I wonder what the team member will have to talk about at his/her next review, if he/she's still working there...
4016) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory now getting over filled. (Message 76221)
Posted 3 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things I notice, from the global_prefs_override file - so the local preferences:
<vm_max_used_pct>100.000000</vm_max_used_pct>
<ram_max_used_busy_pct>75.000000</ram_max_used_busy_pct>

You are telling BOINC to use 12GB of RAM and when that's full to use the whole of the Windows page file. If you didn't change the Windows page file setup, that will be double the size of your memory, if not more. And since you tell BOINC it's fine to use all that space, that's what BOINC does as soon as it runs out of memory.

So the thing here is to change those settings.
<code>vm_max_used_pct 100</code> -> <code>vm_max_used_pct 25</code> and <code>ram_max_used_busy_pct 75</code> -> <code>ram_max_used_busy_pct 25</code> are big enough values.

Edit: in layman's terms that's:
BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view->)Options->Computing preferences->Disk and memory->When computer is in use, use at most 25% and Page/swap file: use at most: 25% -> OK.

With the latter you tell BOINC to use 4GB of RAM and the first a maximum of 25% of the page file. If you then set the Windows page file to a strict number, see for that advice this page, it should behave more normally.

If at the end of all this it still overflows so dramatically, please post back about it.
We'll check with some debug flags then what it says.
4017) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory now getting over filled. (Message 76211)
Posted 2 Mar 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Never change any settings

Which are what?
Where from, BOINC Manager or the web site?
When in doubt, post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and if it exists the global_prefs_override.xml file. These files can be found in the BOINC data directory, by default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\
This is a hidden directory, so either fill in the path directly in Windows Explorer and go there, or set Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
4018) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Change Translation (Message 76189)
Posted 28 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Changes to the translation can be done through Transifex: https://www.transifex.com/boinc/boinc/.
That does require registration. Updates are automatically sent to the correct source code, it will just take a while before a new version is built with the new translations in them.
4019) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 76158)
Posted 26 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No season 2 then of Training Day?
4020) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 76151)
Posted 26 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Old times relive: Churches Are Readying Homes And Underground Railroads To Hide Immigrants From Deportation Under Trump
4021) Message boards : GPUs : Not utilising all my 6 GPUs (Message 76136)
Posted 25 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me shakes his crystal ball... nope.
So could you give some basic information please?
4022) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account not showing on BOINC manage? (Message 76123)
Posted 24 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, you say you need help, but at the same time question the legitimacy of BOINC and its projects, and you feel that it all hangs together by sloppy programming. I'd check the courtesy manual for a better approach the next time.

You're posting on the BOINC forums.
Nothing here of these forums communicates with BOINC or the manager (the graphical user interface).
So you cannot log in via the manager on the forums here.

It's possible that you go to a project's website/your account there via the buttons in the manager's project commands, but without telling which project you're trying to log into, no one can help. Also check that you didn't at first connect BOINC via the weak account key, and then changed your password on the project's website as then the weak account key changes as well. The password and weak account key are connected.
4023) Message boards : BOINC client : Assigning a CPU only project to less than 1 whole core (Message 76120)
Posted 24 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
re: brackets:
Note: The sections in square brackets '[foo/]' are optional. When you want to use any, remove the square brackets.


What's the difference between this and "<max_concurrent>7</max_concurrent>"?

project_max_concurrent = maximum amount of jobs per project.
max_concurrent = maximum amount of tasks for that application.
4024) Message boards : BOINC client : Assigning a CPU only project to less than 1 whole core (Message 76116)
Posted 24 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try following the documentation first: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration
What you ask for is already there as <code>avg_ncpus</code>
4025) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76113)
Posted 24 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that one's going into my TV server, so we can watch things at at least 1080p. The present HD6850 is struggling.

Ghost Recon on Ultra, using 4.8GB of memory looks awesome.
The Elder Scrolls however have flickering grass. According to users on the forums that due to the drivers, so I'm uninstalling the 17.2.1s and going to install the 17.1.2s instead. Fun.
4026) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76111)
Posted 24 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's here.
Gonna be fun... only problem I have is that Speedfan doesn't see the fan speed of the GPU. Unknown why.

4027) Message boards : Questions and problems : lost history (Message 76110)
Posted 24 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I try to log in to accept another project BOINC does not recognise my email address, how can this be when it sends new packets of data?
BOINC is the managing program, you haven't added this site to it. You may have added one or more projects to it, but which ones those are we don't know, you can check that in BOINC Manager.

Also all of my history for the last 10 plus years has disappeared my history only goes back to Jan 2017!
Unless you specifically set to store the statistics history for all changes in credit and RAC for 10 years, BOINC only stores these for 30 days. Via the <code>save_stats_days</code> option in cc_config.xml can you change the maximum amount of days the statistics should be stored and shown, with 10 years being a value of 3665.
If that doesn't sound familiar, then you didn't have it in the first place and you mean something else, which you'll have to clarify.

I cannot find an email address to contact BOINC, can someone please help?
These forums are the help point for things like this.
4028) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 76109)
Posted 24 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tonight in the Octagon: Sapphire NITRO+ Radeon RX 470 8 GB versus Ghost Recon Wildlands Open Beta.

My new videocard is winging its way to me now, it'll be here this afternoon. Which means I'll have to uninstall my present Sapphire 7870, get rid of its drivers, cleanup a little and uninstall the old card, in with the new. And then hope everything works first time around. Install the RX drivers, set up my monitors again, and test it out on the open beta of the aforementioned game. It shows in the setup how much video memory you use. It's a nice beta, but still not my game of choice.
4029) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 76003)
Posted 17 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dick Bruna, 89, Dutch author, artist, illustrator and graphic designer. His most notable creation is Miffy (Nijntje in the original Dutch), a small rabbit drawn with heavy graphic lines, simple shapes and primary colors.
4030) Message boards : Questions and problems : Create new account might not be working (Message 75977)
Posted 16 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
This problem should be fixed now.
web: fix function name for country select
(Commit)
4031) Message boards : Android : nvidia Shield with Android 7 (Message 75972)
Posted 16 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Process aborted with signal 6 means that the process itself has found that some essential pre-requisite for correct function is not available and voluntarily killing itself, rather than the process being killed by the kernel because it ran over resource limits or looked at memory addresses funny or something.

Best report this to the projects that the applications are from.
4032) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75966)
Posted 16 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bit of fun last night in Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., with a reference to Seti@Home. I've obscured it, if you want to read it select it. If you don't want to know, then don't.
Coulson: What the hell is this?
Fitz: It's the Framework code, and it's worse than I feared.
Fitz: We traced where the data is being processed. It's everywhere.
Coulson: What do you mean "everywhere"?
Fitz: The code is piggybacking
Fitz: on the processors of devices from all over the world.
Fitz: It's like SETI, only you don't opt in.
Daisy: My God.
4033) Message boards : Questions and problems : Create new account might not be working (Message 75965)
Posted 16 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded.
4034) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc not using enough system memory after increase (Message 75948)
Posted 15 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, I can't see how to insert pics directly, as you did.

You did:
[img]
https://goo.gl/photos/zZRhSjF2rK1zPP3K9
[/img]

But it's
[img]https://goo.gl/photos/zZRhSjF2rK1zPP3K9[/img]
All in one line.
But the image tag requires an image extension, such as .png, .jpg, .gif or .bmp, it won't work with a 'short' link.

In that case, just link to it using:
[url]https://goo.gl/photos/zZRhSjF2rK1zPP3K9[/url]
Making: https://goo.gl/photos/zZRhSjF2rK1zPP3K9
4035) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75932)
Posted 14 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
They don't really need BOINC for that, they can easily make your system crash without any outside help. Plus it's gsod() on Win10.

Edit: Ever since a Windows 2000 update left me with a non-starting system, have I always waited 4 weeks of more before I update Windows. Yes, I make a backup each month, but that still takes several hours to put back. I'd rather not go through that fest again.
4036) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75930)
Posted 14 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good, no Windows Updates this Tuesday.

MSRC Team, February 14, 2017 wrote:
Our top priority is to provide the best possible experience for customers in maintaining and protecting their systems. This month, we discovered a last minute issue that could impact some customers and was not resolved in time for our planned updates today.

After considering all options, we made the decision to delay this month’s updates. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change to the existing plan.
Source
4037) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC screensaver users (Message 75929)
Posted 14 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The projects list in the BOINC FAQs Wiki show which project has a screen saver.
The BOINC Screen Saver FAQ also has a list of projects which -- according to their own forums -- have a screen saver.

If any aren't true, I gladly hear about them.
4038) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 75928)
Posted 14 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
No.

As Christian Beer answered to Claggy in Github:
Releasing a new client version is a multi-step process. At the start there is the version change commit and a git lightweight tag on that commit but then someone has to build official binaries for all platforms and package them into the respective installer bundles.

Technically what you submitted is the first step, someone else would need to create the git tag and build the official installers from that. Then begins the testing of these packages. Then this someone (usually called Release Manager) adds commits from master to the release branch and creates a new version and so on.

So unless there is a Release Manager who actually prepares and does a release, I don't see a reason to do the version change or tagging.

Also from a technical perspective this should all be done from within the BOINC repository because every PR always introduces a merge commit which should be avoided in the release branch (because it is very confusing later on).
4039) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC FAQs 10 year anniversary: BOINC FAQs Wiki (Message 75881)
Posted 12 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's with regret that I must relay that effective immediately the old BOINC FAQs are off line and that Neil and I decided we retire them and have its URL point to the BOINC FAQ Wiki from now on. We must do this because Neil's Mundayweb domain moved to a newer server with PHP7 and the old code of the BOINC FAQ Service can no longer cope with that. No backwards compatibility. It would also cost too much time and man power to update the old code to work with PHP7, hence our decision.

All of the FAQs in the old FAQs are in the new Wiki, so nothing is lost really. Although a couple of them may not be visible, because of intensive rewrites, or waiting to be rewritten. But that will fix itself when I get to them.

Jord.
4040) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75878)
Posted 12 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Al Jarreau (76), jazz-, pop- and r&b-singer
4041) Message boards : Documentation : BOINC Doc Typos and Errors (Message 75873)
Posted 12 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with the page is that it isn't version dependent, so we cannot remove stuff willy-nilly just because something isn't in a newer version anymore.
In this case the documentation states:
Resets inter-project debts. Intended to be applied one time, then tag set back to 0 before next client restart or reread of config file. (Deprecated from version 7) which may need a rewrite to make it clearer. But certainly not a cold delete as this page also has options still in use by many who use BOINC 5 and BOINC 6 versions, be it by choice or because there's no other option for them for their operating system.

Now, when one makes a fully populated cc_config.xml with the Event Log Options... window in BOINC Manager (with BOINC 7.6), this option isn't there.
One has to manually add it, and to do so, one would've read the documentation and seen that it isn't an option for BOINC 7.

I have changed the documentation to say:
Resets inter-project debts. Intended to be applied one time, then tag set back to 0 before next client restart or reread of config file. (No longer used in BOINC 7)

Apropos being pedantic, the Manager never used debts, the client did. The original name for this file is core client configuration file. It's the BOINC client that uses these various options, not the Manager (= GUI).
4042) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75866)
Posted 11 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said Tuesday that visa applicants may be asked to hand over their passwords for their social media accounts by U.S. embassies.

Kelly said the move could be part of the Trump administration’s extreme vetting effort for visitors from the seven Muslim-majority nations which has been the source of controversy since Trump’s executive order took effect.

"We may want to get on their social media, with passwords. It's very hard to truly vet these people in these countries, the seven countries. But if they come in, we want to say, what websites do they visit, and give us your passwords. So we can see what they do on the internet,” he added.

Kelly said anyone who refused to cooperate would be barred from entering the U.S.
(Source)

Try that with any American going abroad and you'll have threats of WWIII and IV on your hands.
4043) Message boards : Questions and problems : After Hardware upgrade, all GPU task fail with Computation error (Message 75865)
Posted 11 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, finally an option to point to my new FAQs. :)
https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_system_cannot_find_the_path_specified._(0x3)_-_exit_code_3_(0x3)
4044) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU not working properly (Message 75827)
Posted 10 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your images on my system present complete blur when zoomed up from thumbnail.

I can click on them and they open a large image on a separate website.

@Lucas, seeing how this all happens with LHC, have you asked them on their forums if this is normal behaviour with VirtualBox? It's possible that the image is still being loaded in and that that takes a while.
4045) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75822)
Posted 9 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Poll: Trump's approval rating sinks to record low after second week in office:
Gallup, a polling center that has tracked the job approval of every president since Dwight D. Eisenhower, reports that 42 percent of Americans approve of the job Trump has done so far, a new low for any president after two weeks in office.

Trump's disapproval rating is now at 53 percent.

For comparison, former President Barack Obama's approval rating during his second week in office was 65 percent, while George W. Bush enjoyed a rating in the mid to high fifties in early 2001.


America's President needs a new war for his popularity to soar. Of course, all the nitwits he has surrounded himself with don't exactly help.
And then there's other Republicans ruffling their feathers
Rep. Maxine Waters told MSNBC’s Katy Tur Thursday that she doesn’t “intend” for President Donald Trump to remain in office “for four years.”

Ah, swoon.
4046) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75819)
Posted 9 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
All Americans, if you haven't yet, please go sign: America first, make Netherlands second because they requested it!
The Netherlands has requested, within the scope of the new America first initiatives, to be simply: second. They don't want us to forget about them. So the White House should give them a call. 2nd place is open, and they asked nicely before anyone else. We'll make them great too. We can do it.

Of course, because of the video from one of our comedians.

:)
4047) Message boards : Android : No projects listed on add projects page (Message 75818)
Posted 9 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the advice given in this thread and don't allow BOINC to auto-update again.
4048) Message boards : Questions and problems : pc crashes when Boinc set to more than 2 cores (Message 75817)
Posted 9 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't say you needed to ask for help on the crashes at WCG, but if they require specific things I don't know about. :)
When it crashes - The screen goes blank, the computer reboots and returns to the sign in screen. After I sign in I must catch the Grid program very quickly and set to snooze or it crashes again.
You probably had a blue screen that you didn't see. While the information of such a BSOD is stored in the event viewer, it's probably easier to use a program like BlueScreenView (http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html) to see what it said and post that information here.

When you do, I'm looking for what the BSOD said, but I don't need an screenshot of it. Just type over what the error says.
4049) Message boards : Questions and problems : pc crashes when Boinc set to more than 2 cores (Message 75816)
Posted 9 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
TThrottle by Fred: http://efmer.com/b/. Is made specifically with BOINC compliancy.
4050) Message boards : Questions and problems : pc crashes when Boinc set to more than 2 cores (Message 75805)
Posted 8 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
fightaids@home
mapping cancer markers
openZika
outsmart ebola together

All these are World Community Grid sub-projects. They may need specific requirements that I don't know of. Best ask about that on their forums.

As for Event Viewer (and I now fixed my link), if you can remember an old time a crash occurred you can look it up. Anything with a yellow or red marker is of interest.
And then the Event ID or the Windows crash message is of need.

Also, your title says the PC crashes. What exactly happens?
4051) Message boards : Questions and problems : pc crashes when Boinc set to more than 2 cores (Message 75800)
Posted 8 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
All projects including Beta
Which tells me exactly nothing. All projects as in all at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php?
Which one(s) run when the PC cuts out?

Gamer style Rated at 650 watts
Which doesn't tell me anything either. Check if it doesn't show on the Johnny Lucky PSU Lemon List or that its brand doesn't live in tier 5 of the older Newegg Eggxpert Tiered Power Supply List.

Some PSUs don't output what they are branded on, others can take your hardware with them when they go.

100 to 110 F.
Is that on all 8 cores? Is that idle, or under load? Is that with throttling, or without? You do know that 140F (60C) is the maximum safe operating temperature according to AMD?
New, fresh silver something.
Arctic Silver? Only applied on the CPU or heat sink? It doesn't spill over on the sides of the CPU onto (parts of) the motherboard? Thermal compound with silver in it can conduct electricity, and so when it's spilled onto soldering on the motherboard, electricity going through there can hit the CPU, which isn't good.

I'm not familiar with event viewer. I assume it's a log file? Where do I find it?

Start->Search->event viewer->Event Viewer. How to Use Event Viewer in Windows 10.
4052) Message boards : Questions and problems : pc crashes when Boinc set to more than 2 cores (Message 75798)
Posted 8 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects do you run?
Are you using a GPU?
Is your PSU adequate enough to serve all in the system?
Are you using after-market cooling on the CPU, or the fan that came with it?
If after-market, what?
How hot does the CPU become?
Did the CPU come with the heat-sink&fan already on, or did you do that?
If you did, what kind of cooling paste did you put between them?

In Windows Event Viewer, what kinds of errors does it give?
4053) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 75793)
Posted 8 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The World Community Grid version is the same as Berkeley BOINC, but with a different skin (Simple view) and it pings the IBM server (I think) instead of Google when checking that the internet connection is OK. It was built by Rom Walton, just as Berkeley BOINC was. With Rom no longer available to us, I wouldn't expect a new WCG version out any time soon. Not unless they manage to get Rom to do it for them, or that he teaches someone how to do so.
4054) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75780)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
And while we're talking about fake news: Melania Trump's Daily Mail refiled lawsuit
US First Lady Melania Trump has re-filed a libel lawsuit against the Mail Online's publisher, Mail Media Inc, for reporting on rumours she worked as an escort.

Ms Trump filed the previous lawsuit against Mail Media Inc after it ran a story citing a Slovenian magazine's report that a modelling agency she worked with in New York in the 1990s also served as an escort business, linking wealthy clients with women for sexual services.
The Mail Online has since retracted the story, which it headlined: “Naked photoshoots, and troubling questions about visas that won’t go away: The VERY racy past of Donald Trump’s Slovenian wife."

The posting said it “did not intend to state or suggest that these allegations are true, nor did it intend to state or suggest that Mrs. Trump ever worked as an 'escort' or in the 'sex business.'”
The lawsuit, now filed in New York, where the corporation has offices, seeks compensatory and punitive damages of at least $150m (£121m).


So, is she feeling she needs a bit of hand-money because she earns nowt as the First Lady?
4055) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75777)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
On Air Force One, before a smaller audience, Trump spokesman Sean Spicer said Trump did not really mean that terrorist attacks received no coverage. Trump's actual complaint, he said, was that such acts don't get enough attention.

In your near future, I foresee the start of TNC, Trump's News Channel, where only the real news (*) is brought to you immediately, uncensored, 24 hours a day. With a searchable database.

(*) Of course only news vetted by the President himself and if he's not available, by his second in command. Fake news, non-fake news, old news, rewritten news, Russian spun news, you know, the news you don't really want. Fox news. ;-)
4056) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75776)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Richard Hatch, 71, American actor (All My Children, Battlestar Galactica, The Streets of San Francisco)
4057) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75766)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let's not forget Trump: militant attacks 'all over Europe,' some not reported.
Where would we be without this saviour in the White House!

And of course the famous list of attacks, most of which we have never heard of, including Paris and San Bernadino [sic].
4058) Message boards : GPUs : No GPUs after Windows 10 v1607 update (Message 75765)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
After Windows 10 updated itself to version 1607, my Boinc no longer runs GPU dependant tasks.
I checked I have the latest NVIDIA drivers and uninstalled and reinstalled BOINC, to no avail.

You're using Windows installed drivers, these lack OpenCL. You need to install the GPU drivers from the Nvidia website: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

Also set Windows not to update the drivers, as else it'll dump ones on you again without the needed OpenCL.
And each time in the future that Windows updates itself do you need to install drivers from the Nvidia website.

You can clean install the drivers from the installer. There's an option for that someplace in the installer, so read each window intricately.
4059) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75748)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope you can stand the anticipation on what it might be. :)
4060) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75745)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow, posted just in time... when I went to the forum index, the project was down, mere seconds after my post.
4061) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75713)
Posted 4 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Trump administration begins altering EPA climate change websites
Alternate truth.

In his poem "The Hollow Men," T. S. Eliot famously wrote: "This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper." It seems the Trump administration may be taking a cue from this prose, potentially killing off climate change programs not with the flourish of announcements and speeches but with behind-the-scenes tinkering instead.

Welcome to the new EPA website, overhauled by Trump’s team
Federal climate plans created under former President Obama, tribal assistance programs, and references to international cooperation have been stricken from the site.

A mention of carbon pollution as a cause of climate change has also been removed and adaptation has been emphasized, indicating an attempt to separate the cause of climate change from the response. Some of the changes — like removing mentions to programs and task forces that have run their course as well as broken links — are housekeeping, according to an agency statement.

Sad.

Donald Trump 'taking steps to abolish Environmental Protection Agency'
Donald Trump will work towards the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency – and any employees cleaving to the Obama era should be “very worried” by the prospect of Scott Pruitt taking over the agency, a key aide of the president has told the Guardian.
4062) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75712)
Posted 4 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe he is confused and thinks he was elected as God, not just mere president. :)
4063) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75710)
Posted 4 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Federal judge temporarily blocks Trump’s entry order nationwide
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!

The so-called president has spoken. Prrffftt, what a clown. It's good there are still law-makers that are above this so-called president and can turn his joke-rules into dust. Or soon you'll be living in the NSUSA: Not So United States of America, as states may just say 'stuff it, we're going our own way'.
4064) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75681)
Posted 3 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
"she looks a bit reptilian"
Ah, but which one? These, or these?
(still shocked by the first one, where the guy ate a guinea pig... whole, alive and raw.)
4065) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75679)
Posted 3 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fake news, also in your neighborhood: Kellyanne Conway blames refugees for 'Bowling Green massacre' that never happened
Donald Trump’s senior adviser uses fictional incident to justify US president’s travel ban: ‘Most people don’t know that because it didn’t get covered’.

Kellyanne Conway, a senior adviser to Donald Trump, has come in for criticism and ridicule after blaming two Iraqi refugees for a massacre that never happened.

Conway, the US president’s former campaign manager who has frequently faced the press to defend his controversial moves, cited the fictional “Bowling Green massacre” in an interview in which she backed the travel ban imposed on visitors from seven Muslim-majority countries.

Explanation: alternative facts. Wanna bet?
4066) Message boards : Questions and problems : ** resolved ** GPU not being used / CPU High Priority Mode / Einstein (Message 75678)
Posted 3 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actually the oposite is the case. The fast fourier transform is done on the GPU and the CPU is mainly used to coordinate work on the GPU. Due to some limitations with the Nvidia OpenCL implementation we have to reserve a full CPU core for the current FGRPB1G GPU application. That was not the case with the former applications which used CUDA not OpenCL on Nvidia GPUs.

Ah, all right, thanks for the clarification and correction.
4067) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot update email at some projects (Message 75677)
Posted 3 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If no typos, and if you can still log in at those projects, you best ask at their individual forums. An admin of either project can check what their settings are with regards to user changes. It's also possible you require some credit or RAC for changes. But that's all project dependent.
4068) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Boinc kills my internet speed (Message 75676)
Posted 3 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does Boinc use torrents?

No, there was talk about it and I think a partial code for it is in the source code but it isn't being used. Because of the security or lack thereof.
4069) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75661)
Posted 3 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Meanwhilst, in another part of the world... Turkey limits all media stations in Turkey from reporting on terror attacks: when we say it didn't happen....
The Radio and Television Supreme Council (RTÜK) has introduced new measures limiting broadcasting after terror attacks.
You will not report real news, only alternative facts.

According to the new measures, broadcasters will only be permitted to report terror attacks with statements from officials and tickers, without footage from the scene. The phrase “breaking news” will not be permitted in the tickers.

The broadcasters will not be able to use any video footage or photographs of explosions or terror attacks other than those provided by officials. The moment of terror attacks and scenes showing the aftermath of the attack will not be broadcast, as well as the footage that shows people’s fear and panic at the site of the terror attack.

The measures also state that correspondents and anchors will not be permitted to “use exaggerated statements involving agitation.”

Don't worry, be happy.

The ban on broadcasting the scene of attacks includes showing fire department vehicles, police vehicles, ambulance footage, witness accounts, officials at the scene, and evidence-collecting work.

No information regarding where the incident took place and no map of the scene will be permitted to be shown, neither will be the names of terrorist organizations suspected of carrying out the attack.

Broadcasts “including criticism and commentary” will also not be permitted according to the new regulation, while regular broadcast streaming will not be allowed to be interrupted for news that is part of the gag order.

How's that for fake news? State ordered fake news only!
4070) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75660)
Posted 3 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-commando-idUSKBN15G5RX/
The U.S. military said on Wednesday it was looking into whether more civilians were killed in a raid on al Qaeda in Yemen on the weekend, in the first operation authorized by President Donald Trump as commander in chief.

U.S. Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens was killed in the raid on a branch of al Qaeda, also known as AQAP, in al Bayda province, which the Pentagon said also killed 14 militants. However, medics at the scene said about 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed.
----
U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.
----
A White House official said the operation was thoroughly vetted by the previous administration and that the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said.

The military officials who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity said "a brutal firefight" killed Owens and at least 15 Yemeni women and children. One of the dead was the 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, a militant killed by a 2011 U.S. drone strike.

Some of the women were firing at the U.S. force, Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis told reporters.
----
One of the three U.S. officials said on-the-ground surveillance of the compound was “minimal, at best.”

“The decision was made ... to leave it to the incoming administration, partly in the hope that more and better intelligence could be collected,” that official said.
----
As Sunday's firefight intensified, the raiders called in Marine helicopter gunships and Harrier jump jets, and then two MV-22 Osprey vertical takeoff and landing aircraft to extract the SEALs.

One of the two suffered engine failure, two of the officials said, and hit the ground so hard that two crew members were injured, and one of the Marine jets had to launch a precision-guided bomb to destroy it.
4071) Message boards : Questions and problems : ** resolved ** GPU not being used / CPU High Priority Mode / Einstein (Message 75643)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein likes it to have one CPU core per GPU free

Boinc automatically reduces the amount of threads running to take care of this.

CPU tasks run at low priority.
GPU tasks run at below-normal priority, a little higher than the low priority.
Einstein's tasks don't fully run on the GPU, they use the CPU for a lot of calculations, more specifically the fourier transform as it is too intensive to run on the GPU.
That's why they like to have a complete CPU core free for the GPU tasks, to be able to calculate the fourier transform without having to fight for the CPU with something else.
4072) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Boinc kills my internet speed (Message 75642)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
a Comcast 150 MBPS connection (their modem)
Checking on that, I found this thread on the XFinity forums where multiple people complain about speeds dropping enormously. I snorted at the repairman stating said nobody will ever get 150 hard wired to the guy, as I have a 200Mbit connection and I can fully utilize it. But that's via cable, not DSL.

But having said that, it does come down to using good cables as well. And replacing them every so many years.
Last time I tiled my living room, I went and put cable gutters down everywhere and put Cat 6 cables in them. Cost me an arm and a leg, but the connection is once again spotless.

The other main ISP here in The Netherlands is using DSL as well and when I had them I would always pay for high bandwidth and never fully get it.
I even had a couple of their salespeople at my door once when I changed to cable, and when they went on and on about how good fiber-optics were for the speeds and that their 60Mbit connection was 'da bomb', I calmly explained how my 100Mbit connection downloaded stuff from the internet with 12MB/sec. That was the last time I had salespeople of that company at my door. Their fiber can't do that.

The reason I asked if other computers were on the same connection is because when you use multiple computers that all download & upload things via torrent, these torrent clients open up a lot of ports. Open enough ports and one machine will be able to connect to the internet, while the others will struggle. (Speaking from experience, 3 computers downloading at full blast and the 200Mbit connection is quickly saturated.)
4073) Message boards : Android : Android client does not work in flight mode (Message 75639)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you try to run one night without setting the phone to flight mode?
See if that makes a difference?
4074) Message boards : Questions and problems : ** resolved ** GPU not being used / CPU High Priority Mode / Einstein (Message 75638)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, Einstein likes it to have one CPU core per GPU free. If you don't follow that, it's possible that running two GPUs can totally overwhelm your system with Einstein tasks on them. But best ask about that on their forums.
4075) Message boards : Android : Android client does not work in flight mode (Message 75626)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why use flight mode?
What are you trying to save here? Is it that the device isn't plugged in during the night?
4076) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75620)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?

Trump's reaction on UC Berkeley denying entry to right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos.

Early Thursday morning, President Donald Trump floated the possibility of withholding federal funds from UC Berkeley after students at the California school rioted on campus in response to a planned speech by conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos.

The riots took place last Wednesday, forcing school officials to cancel the planned speech by the controversial Breitbart editor, who has used his celebrity to rail against everything from feminism to the liberal left’s fear of free speech. In response, POTUS took to Twitter to rail against the school’s “violence on innocent people.”
According to Berkeley’s research numbers, the school receives, “well over half a billion dollars in research and other support from external sources.” The school continues, “The federal government provided 55 percent of these funds, and California state agencies and other government sources, industry, and the nonprofit sector supplied the rest,” publishing this chart to demonstrate the federal dollars that aid the school in additional research each fiscal year.

I am expecting Trump to demand that UC Berkeley stops hoaxes like a search for extraterrestrials anytime now. He finds climate warming a hoax already, so why would he believe in aliens?
4077) Message boards : Server programs : BOINC Upload Server on Seperate Host (Message 75619)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Easiest way is to ask David for an account on there to make changes yourself.
But else sign up to the BOINC projects email list and write your changes via there. Someone (Christian or me) will then probably pick it up and put it into place.
4078) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Boinc kills my internet speed (Message 75617)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say that you have adjusted your CPU speed. Why do you feel that the speed with which your CPU calculates things impacts on your download speed? (In normal life that doesn't happen)

BOINC's CPU throttling doesn't use a sustained value, so if you set it to 50%, it doesn't mean that the load you see in Task Manager is 50% (on a single CPU core)
Instead it means that BOINC will be suspending and resuming tasks per a couple of seconds per 10 seconds. So for 50% that's a second on, a second off, a second on, a second off. For 30% that's 3 seconds per every 10 seconds that BOINC is doing calculations at full blast (100%), 7 seconds that it's paused.

We chose that setup because this way we can use the same code when compiling BOINC for Linux, OS X and Windows without requiring to use specific APIs that change over time and break things. If you want to use a sustained limit, check out third party add-ons such as TThrottle or Threadmaster at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/addons.php.

As for your download speed dropping to 20Mbit (2.5MB/sec), you have to take into account the upload speed that the project server has as well. Not all the projects you run use 1Tbit connections, and they certainly all don't utilize that whole connection. Plus you will always be sharing whatever connection you have with a project with several tens, if not hundreds of other computers asking work and getting it delivered at the same time. Having a download of 2.5 - 3.1 MB/sec is quite reasonable, I wouldn't complain about that.

If you mean that your overall download speed - for everything you do - is dropping to that speed, that's usually a preference setting somewhere in your setup.
Or perhaps your Windows 10 is set up to use a metered connection. Or you have a program or Network Interface Connector driver add-on installed that deliberately limits your internet connection.

Watching (streaming) content in 4K requires at least 25Mbit/sec but can easily be higher.

As for your registration date, we're not the Seti forums. The BOINC forums didn't start until August 2005.
4079) Message boards : BOINC client : Please keep Github BOINC releases page up to date (Message 75616)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The releases on that page are for Android only, because Android doesn't (yet) have its own branch in BOINC Github. It's developed and built from the Master branch.
Clicking on the "Branch" button on https://github.com/BOINC/boinc gets you all present branches, with https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/commits/client_release/7/7.6 the latest we had - before our main developer changed companies.

Development of the new alpha 7.7 is slow and is again done from the Master branch (alpha's have always been developed from the Master branch at BOINC), when it eventually warrants its own branch that will become 7.8
4080) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager no longer starts at computer boot. (Message 75609)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check in:
BOINC Manager->Options->Other options->General, that Run Manager at login? is checked.
4081) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Boinc kills my internet speed (Message 75607)
Posted 1 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your computer doesn't just consist of Windows 10 64bit.

So please tell us what's the CPU, GPU, memory amount, hard drives/solid state drives?
You complain about your internet speed being cut by 90% but neglect to mention what kind of internet connection you have, what its speed is, how many computers and other devices in the house make use of it (and yes, that matters for open ports on the modem/router).
You also don't tell what project(s) you see this behaviour with. There are a couple that require quite big downloads, especially the ones that need to download the VirtualBox VM image the first time around.
You don't say what else runs at that time, think of having a browser with 50 tabs open, playing Netflix, Youtube, or streaming other bandwidth intensive things.

And we're forums, it's completely unnecessary to register here and then go answer this in email. Want to receive an email when someone answers in the thread? Then click the Subscribe button at the top of the thread. Do make sure that your account preferences state that you want to receive an email and in what form.
4082) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75598)
Posted 1 Feb 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh no! So no more new songs from Asia then. Sniff. That is one of my all-time favourite bands.
4083) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC crashes PC (Message 75589)
Posted 31 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Faulting application name: boinc.exe, version: 7.6.33.0, time stamp: 0x575480dc
Faulting module name: igdrcl64.dll, version: 20.19.15.4531, time stamp: 0x57ed260c
Exception code: 0xc0000005
The exception code means there is a problem with a driver.
The module name points to the Intel graphics accelerator.

Faulting application name: collatz_sieve_1.21_windows_x86_64__opencl_amd_gpu.exe, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x55eb2f35
Faulting module name: igdrcl64.dll, version: 20.19.15.4531, time stamp: 0x57ed260c
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Again the exception code points to a driver problem. The module name points at the Intel graphics accelerator, the faulting application however tells you it is Collatz that crashes, not BOINC.

The i7-4770K has an Intel HD Graphics 4600 GPU built-in. Is that one disabled (from the BIOS, or in Windows device manager for instance)?
It doesn't show up in the BOINC startup messages, but this GPU is OpenCL capable.

So while BOINC is the main package on the event ID, it isn't the application that crashes your computer. That's done by either the Collatz Conjecture application, or by the Intel GPU (OpenCL) driver. Best report this on the Collatz forums.
BOINC itself doesn't use the GPU, all intensive calculations are done by the project science applications, so any trouble they find is best asked on their forums. Perhaps that they have a minimum or maximum driver version you're required to use.
4084) Message boards : Questions and problems : Feature Suggestion re # of cores (Message 75582)
Posted 31 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already been asked, plenty of times: #524

But until a volunteer developer thinks it's a feasible thing to do, I wouldn't expect much of it. You could register at Github and add your support to that ticket. Bring it back up in the view of the developers.
4085) Message boards : Questions and problems : Login problem (Message 75577)
Posted 31 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is the error?
4086) Message boards : Android : Android BOINC client (Message 75528)
Posted 28 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best request that as a feature through https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues, which is where the volunteer developer of BOINC for Android is most likely to check.
4087) Message boards : GPUs : NVIDIA GPUs aren't displaying more than 4 GB memory on computers in use for PRIMEGRID and SETI. (Message 75515)
Posted 27 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have been checking this further and found that consistently over the past half year, since those new GPUs came out, OpenCL would report the correct memory use, while CUDA didn't.

So I checked in the source code and found that indeed, the memory detection for CUDA is an <code>int</code>, not a <code>long long int</code>.
I've reported this to David, hopefully he'll set things straight and this will come in a future version of BOINC.
4088) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 75514)
Posted 27 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded everything you said to the alpha list.
4089) Message boards : GPUs : NVIDIA GPUs aren't displaying more than 4 GB memory on computers in use for PRIMEGRID and SETI. (Message 75510)
Posted 27 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just as an aside:
12/9/2016 9:24:32 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1080 (driver version 376.19, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3557MB available, 8876 GFLOPS peak)
12/9/2016 9:24:32 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1080 (driver version 376.19, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3557MB available, 8876 GFLOPS peak)
(source)
This shows that the CUDA driver isn't mature enough to recognize all 8GB of memory on this GPU, while the OpenCL driver does.
If you see this, it isn't BOINC that's at fault, but purely the drivers.
4090) Message boards : GPUs : NVIDIA GPUs aren't displaying more than 4 GB memory on computers in use for PRIMEGRID and SETI. (Message 75509)
Posted 27 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Operating system? -> 32bit, 64bit?
Nvidia driver version? -> 32bit, 64bit?
BOINC 32bit or 64bit?

32bit applications report at maximum 4GB. 32bit can at maximum address 4GB in memory addresses.
Seti's science applications are 32bit, I suppose Primegrid's are as well, so the stderr.txt on each task - if it shows memory use - won't show more than 4GB.

If you installed the 32bit Nvidia drivers, they will report at maximum 4GB.
If you use BOINC 7.6.22 32bit, it will probably report at max 4GB.
If your OS is 32bit, it will run everything in 32bit and report at max 4GB.

See the recurring item? :)
4091) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75505)
Posted 26 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh look, we have such a despot on our side of the pond as well, wants to take the place of the UK in Europe. Does these things constantly, only then tells the world these people were Gulen lovers, Kurds, or IS, or a combination.
At least six journalists were charged with felony rioting after they were arrested while covering the violent protests that took place just blocks from President Trump’s inauguration parade in Washington on Friday, according to police reports and court documents.

The journalists were among 230 people detained in the anti-Trump demonstrations, during which protesters smashed the glass of commercial buildings and lit a limousine on fire.

Source
4092) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found - Windows 10 (Message 75504)
Posted 26 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
23-Jan-17 1:42:19 PM | | Running as a daemon (GPU computing disabled)
23-Jan-17 1:42:19 PM | | Running under account boinc_master
23-Jan-17 1:42:19 PM | | No usable GPUs found

The key essential lines. You installed BOINC as a service. Which means that through a Microsoft security measure, the drivers that the GPU needs are separated from the user account you run BOINC under.

Fix:
Uninstall BOINC.
Reinstall BOINC with the installer.
Third screen in click Advanced.
Uncheck "Service install"
Continue installation.

Mind: the non-service installation is the default installation. To have BOINC install as a service, you or whomever else installed BOINC before has at one point changed the installation to be done as a service.

If you then ignore the blurb that states the thing about the GPUs... you get into this situation.

Doing an advanced 'no limit' search on these forums on "Running as a daemon" will yield a lot of results.
4093) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75492)
Posted 25 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good going, America!
Trump administration tells EPA to cut climate page from website: sources:
U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has instructed the Environmental Protection Agency to remove the climate change page from its website, two agency employees told Reuters, the latest move by the newly minted leadership to erase ex-President Barack Obama's climate change initiatives.

The employees were notified by EPA officials on Tuesday that the administration had instructed EPA's communications team to remove the website's climate change page, which contains links to scientific global warming research, as well as detailed data on emissions. The page could go down as early as Wednesday, the sources said.

"If the website goes dark, years of work we have done on climate change will disappear," one of the EPA staffers told Reuters, who added some employees were scrambling to save some of the information housed on the website, or convince the Trump administration to preserve parts of it.
The sources asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak to the media. A Trump administration official did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The order comes as Trump's administration has moved to curb the flow of information from several government agencies who oversee environmental issues since last week, in actions that appeared designed to tighten control and discourage dissenting views.
The moves have reinforced concerns that Trump, a climate change doubter, could seek to sideline scientific research showing that carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels contributes to global warming, as well as the career staffers at the agencies that conduct much of this research.

Myron Ebell, who helped guide the EPA's transition after Trump was elected in November until he was sworn in last week, said the move was not surprising.
"My guess is the web pages will be taken down, but the links and information will be available," he said.
The page includes links to the EPA's inventory of greenhouse gas emissions, which contains emissions data from individual industrial facilities as well as the multiagency Climate Change Indicators report, which describes trends related to the causes and effects of climate change.

The Trump administration's recently appointed team to guide the post-Obama transition has drawn heavily from the energy industry lobby and pro-drilling think tanks, according to a list of the newly introduced 10-member team.

Trump appointed Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt, a longtime foe of the EPA who has led 14 lawsuits against it, as the agency's administrator. The Senate environment committee held a tense seven-hour confirmation hearing for Pruitt last week. No vote on his nomination has been scheduled yet.


Perhaps all who can, sign up for http://www.scientistsmarchonwashington.com/
4094) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75454)
Posted 23 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gorden Kaye, 75, René Artois in 'Allo 'Allo!
4095) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exporting seti@home data? (Message 75453)
Posted 23 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
What data are you asking about?
Have you looked at the BOINC files in the data directory yet?
BOINC Manager is a graphical means to command and control the BOINC client, the two work together.

I'm sure you can write a script that can send the contents of stdoutdae.txt to you when it reaches its default maximum of 2MB - or larger when set to something larger through cc_config.xml - but else I'm not sure what you're after. Data from a project you run? Check the http://boinc.berkeley.edu/addons.php for ideas.
4096) Message boards : Questions and problems : automatic desktop refresh doesn't works (Message 75452)
Posted 23 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/desktop-does-not-refresh-automatically-windows
4097) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screen saver (Message 75451)
Posted 23 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whether the screen saver works or not depends on:
1. Are your videocard drivers up-to-date? The majority of the graphics applications require OpenGL 1.0 at minimum.
2. Do you run a project that even has a screen saver / graphics application for your operating system? You best ask that at the project the application is from.
3. Does that project have a screen saver / graphics application for all their science applications? Seti for instance only has it for the CPU tasks, not for the GPU tasks.

BOINC's built-in screen saver requires OpenGL 1.0 / DirectX 8.1 compatibility.
4098) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android x86 (intel) Client won't start (Message 75447)
Posted 22 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Our program is called BOINC, not BIONIC.
The thing you see is known, as this thread will show. For some going back a version - I link to 7.4.43 in that thread - fixes it.

Development of the Android client is done by a volunteer programmer now who only works on it in his spare time.
4099) Message boards : Questions and problems : Matching number of concurrent processes to number of actual cores. (Message 75446)
Posted 22 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
By default BOINC will use all cores that you allow through preferences and run one task per core, if the application is single threaded and not multi threaded.

If you only want to use the physical cores only you'll have to disable hyperthreading through the BIOS/UEFI. BOINC has no way of knowing which core is physical or virtual.
4100) Message boards : Web interfaces : Any plans to upgrade BOINC website SSL algorithm away from SHA-1? (Message 75442)
Posted 22 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sniff.
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/commit/0bc9b0264081a0b338d7731e45f854917b966e86
BOINC web: don't show mediawiki pages as https; doesn't work
When one goes from the User Manual loaded via HTTPS to some of the sub-pages, CSS refuses to load because links it loads the Monobook skin from are HTTP only. So then Firefox shows a mixed content warning in Developer->Inspector and pages do load but without any CSS.

Of course, for David it's easier to not make the User Manual (and other pages) work with HTTPS than to try to make Apache work with it all around the domain.

So, soon in a Firefox around the corner:
https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2017/01/20/communicating-the-dangers-of-non-secure-http/
To continue to promote the use of HTTPS and properly convey the risks to users, Firefox will eventually display the struck-through lock icon for all pages that don’t use HTTPS, to make clear that they are not secure. As our plans evolve, we will continue to post updates but our hope is that all developers are encouraged by these changes to take the necessary steps to protect users of the Web through HTTPS.
4101) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to install BOINC (Message 75441)
Posted 22 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
non-supported Windows versions (XP and Vista are dead, RIP)

What makes you think BOINC runs only on Windows 7 and above? As that's what you state with non-supported Windows versions.
XP may be no longer getting security updates, but that doesn't mean that people stopped running it. Plenty of people still use it on their daily driver. Worldwide millions of computers (including many ATMs) still run Windows XP. Firefox will continue to support it until September 2017.
Vista stops receiving security updates on April 2017.

As for rewriting the FAQ, that's already in the works but slow going. Just as it goes slow with rewriting all other FAQs.
The majority of the information in the FAQ is still very valid, though, with the easiest solution to many people's break down being the reinstall of the previous version of BOINC to fix the broken registry entries.
4102) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75436)
Posted 22 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adèle Bloemendaal, 84, Dutch singer, comedian, actress.
4103) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem getting started with climateprediction.net (Message 75435)
Posted 22 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I just sent to the CPDN moderators email list:

What is the project URL to use?

I read http://www.climateprediction.net/getting-started/ and it tells people to add climateprediction.net as a project.
In the picture it shows http://climateprediction.net as the project URL.

So what is the project URL to use?
http://climateprediction.net ?
http://www.climateprediction.net ?
https://climateprediction.net ?
https://www.climateprediction.net ?
or https://www.cpdn.org/cpdnboinc ?
The latter link holds the forums.
My BOINC has no problem contacting the project using the 'normal' link, which according to its account_*xml file is http://climateprediction.net, but I am confused as well.
4104) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75404)
Posted 20 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
We certainly thought he looked haggard the past episodes he was in, but hoped he got better. Wonder how they do that with the series. May you have rest now, Miguel.



Today:
Jan Kruis, 83, Original illustrator and inventor of Jan, Jans & the Children (Dutch comic)
Hans Breukhoven, 70, founder and president of Free Record Shop.
4105) Message boards : Questions and problems : strange occurance maybe some insight would be appreciated? (Message 75382)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, one thing. One of your ATLAS tasks looks to be multithreaded, it will try to use all 4 cores, <code>ATLAS@home | [rr_sim] 146145.28: fA7NDmrzznpnDDn7oo6G73TpABFKDmABFKDm2RFKDmABFKDmRPeSQo_0 finishes (4.00 CPU) (207000.00G/12.79G)</code>, that may be a problem if you set an app_config.xml to use only part of the CPU for that project.
4106) Message boards : Questions and problems : strange occurance maybe some insight would be appreciated? (Message 75380)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, and now please:
Open Event Log Options...
Uncheck rr_simulation
Check checkpoint_debug
Check cpu_sched
OK

After OK, do File->Exit->if asked to stop the running client->OK
Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager

Next wait for it to load fully.
SHIFT+ALT+E->select all->post that.
4107) Message boards : Questions and problems : Am I missing something regarding resource balancing? (Message 75376)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Separate resource shares for CPU and GPU are not available and in the past never to be added either. But with BOINC being a governance and development being mainly done by volunteer developers, you may want to ask for it to be added as a feature request in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues

Although I suspect that such a big change requires that it has to be presented in front of the Project Management Committee, for them to vote about.
4108) Message boards : Questions and problems : strange occurance maybe some insight would be appreciated? (Message 75374)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, your images are broken. But then I wasn't asking for the images anyway, I was asking for the event log, which you've given. Problem is, it runs for just 50 seconds, I asked for 2 minutes.

But...
Go back to Event Log Options... and
- Uncheck cpu_sched_debug
- Check rr_simulation
OK.

That does a round robin calculation on all the running tasks and all tasks in cache.
Depending on your cache, this may give quite a big log, so please don't run this for several minutes. One round of several seconds should be enough. RR is calculated every minute or so. Again, do not make a screen shot, but instead post that part of the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E).
4109) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 75365)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Different question, what is the password window you see?
Is it the one for the password for the computer host? Where does it say invalid password?
4110) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 75363)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way,
1/17/2017 21:20:24 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: message or detach from the project and re-attach using the new https url (it will be the usual one, just with https:// at the b

Is that line truly in your log, or did you change it to say that?
4111) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 75362)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to David and the Alpha list.
4112) Message boards : Questions and problems : strange occurance maybe some insight would be appreciated? (Message 75361)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
All we have is your word that says it runs those 7 tasks simultaneously on the CPU, you don't show it in the logs.
So turn on cpu_sched_debug in the Event Log Options.. window, then for clarity exit & restart BOINC, let it run for a minute or two, then copy the whole log and post that here. It would also be nice to know your activity setting (run always, or based on preferences) for CPU and GPU.
4113) Message boards : Questions and problems : No computing while computer not in use (Message 75358)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actually, I think this condition is met when you set Suspend when no mouse/keyboard input in last N minutes via the web site preferences.
Even if you use local preferences, those preferences that are set via the web site and are not in the local preferences - like this one - will not be overridden and thus stay in effect.

Else check which preferences you use, local or from the web site. It'll show that at the top on the local Computing Preferences window.
4114) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75343)
Posted 17 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
If only there was a way to break really off of Europe, be an island nation again... Plug the Chunnel? :)
4115) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75338)
Posted 17 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pascal Garray, 51, Illustrator of The Smurfs
4116) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Freezing under El Capitan 10.11.6 (Message 75337)
Posted 17 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC won't show in the logs why your computer froze, so if it's some place it would be in the general logs of your operating system.
Perhaps that the answer for this person helps you on the way?
4117) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Freezing under El Capitan 10.11.6 (Message 75334)
Posted 16 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had a chat with the BOINC developer for the Mac. He recommends at least that you download a fresh copy of the installer and reinstall BOINC, just in the off chance that you had a corrupt copy.

Other than that, have you checked your temperatures?
You can check that with iStat Pro, a free tool. If they seem high when under load, it's probably time to remove the dust bunnies from the computer.
4118) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager does not pause GPU while in use (Message 75328)
Posted 15 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome to the BOINC forums.
Please make sure that you have your Activity (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Activity menu) set to "Run based on preferences" and "Use GPU based on preferences". If it's set to "Run always" BOINC will ignore preferences set for time- and movement based suspension.
4119) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't upload automatically (Message 75325)
Posted 15 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC uses two methods of getting data back that it has calculated:
1. Once a task is done, its result file is uploaded from your hard drive, to a place on one of the hard drives in the server. This is purely the data file that gets transported.
2. To tell the database that that task was done, it needs to be reported. Because this reporting takes a lot of overhead, in the form of using the CPU and memory of the server, BOINC tries to report as many tasks it can at the same time, not just every task for itself after it has uploaded.

BOINC will calculate how much work it has in cache and if that nears the low water mark set by the "Store at least N days of work" limit. If it does not get anywhere near that minimal limit, or is already over it, BOINC will just continue to do calculations on the work it has in cache. Only once the cache is lower than the low water mark will BOINC ask for new work and at the same time report all the work that was uploaded earlier.

If you want to have more work in cache, lower the "Store at least N days of work" and "Store up to an additional N days of work" values. It sounds counter-intuitive, but remember, that when you set "Store at least" to 10 days and the server is capable of giving that amount of work, that BOINC will only ask at a minimum of 10 days per time for work. Setting it to half a day (0.5) will probably do it once every 12 hours or so. But that depends on the amount of the "additional" cache.

If you truly want complete control over anything BOINC does, then there's no other way than for you to click the Update button once you feel too many tasks are waiting to be reported. But it isn't necessary and BOINC will do it by itself.
4120) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75320)
Posted 14 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yanni Alexis "Magic Alex" Mardas, 74, Beatles engineer.
4121) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't upload automatically (Message 75319)
Posted 14 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uploading is saving information from your computer onto a disk on the project server, something that your log shows that BOINC does fully automatically.
1/14/2017 12:34:29 AM | rosetta@home | Started upload of rb_01_13_71696_115336_ab_stage0_h002___robetta_IGNORE_THE_REST_10_15_462442_21_0_0
1/14/2017 12:34:35 AM | rosetta@home | Finished upload of rb_01_13_71696_115336_ab_stage0_h002___robetta_IGNORE_THE_REST_10_15_462442_21_0_0
Reporting is a function whereby the client reports all work it has successfully uploaded to the database before asking for new work.

Reporting is done:
1. 24 hours before deadline.
2. Connect Every X before deadline.
3. 24 hours after task completion.
4. Immediately if the upload completes later than either 1, 2, or 3 upon completion of the task.
5. On a trickle up message.
6. On a trickle down request.
7. On a server scheduled connection. Used, but I am not certain by which project.
8. On a request for new work.
9. When the user pushes the update button.
10. On a request from an account manager.
11. Report immediately every task, if "No new Task" is set.
12. Report immediately if CPU or network time-of-day override starts in the next 30 minutes.
13. When minimum work buffer is reached.

Because reporting one task takes as much overhead on the server (CPU and memory use) as reporting tens to hundreds of tasks does, BOINC prefers to report work in batches. Which is what happened here. Added to that, BOINC 7 uses the "minimum work" request as the low water mark, only when the total work cache for your project gets below that (so minimum + additional) will it ask for new work, and with that scheduler request report the old work.
4122) Message boards : Server programs : New Client not downloading much work at all (Message 75314)
Posted 14 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is documentation in the form of https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions that explains all that you find in config.xml, you don't have to guess at its meaning.

If still in complete doubt, why not post the contents of your config.xml file?
4123) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75293)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can. I don't want to, but I can. :)
4124) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't upload automatically (Message 75292)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hello, welcome to the BOINC forums.
To better be of help, mind giving us some basic information?
4125) Message boards : Android : Move Boinc to SD card (Message 75288)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
For clarification, also for myself:
What is a binary file?
A binary file is a file stored in binary format. A binary file is computer-readable but not human-readable. All executable programs are stored in binary files, as are most numeric data files. In contrast, text files are stored in a form (usually ASCII) that is human-readable.
4126) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75287)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to use https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_index.php instead of the HTTP address.

Sorry, Jord, Gary and I were still talking about Einstein... Not SETI...

Equally sorry, I'd checked the forums at Einstein before answering and hadn't seen the forum mentioned, so assumed that in the mean time you were talking about Seti. Today isn't a good day.
4127) Message boards : Web interfaces : Any plans to upgrade BOINC website SSL algorithm away from SHA-1? (Message 75286)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to SSLLabs RC4 is used by XP/IE8, which is the last IE that XP can be upgraded to. We could ask David to check the database to see how many people use that combination to come here, if the database registers that.

(Edit: I emailed him)
4128) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75275)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to use https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_index.php instead of the HTTP address.
4129) Message boards : Web interfaces : Any plans to upgrade BOINC website SSL algorithm away from SHA-1? (Message 75271)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't that to make sure older Android/Windows versions can still get onto these forums?
4130) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75264)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Christian Beer, about the Einstein outage wrote:
Hi Jord,

there was an unexpected power/network outage. We just had enough time to shut down everything. Something with damage due to construction work.

Regards
Christian
4131) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75241)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It snows.
4132) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75236)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, if it was DNS issues, the ping would fail too, as ping resolves the host name through DNS and then switches to ICMP (Internet Control Message Protocol) for the echo request from the IP address.

So I guess SSL/TLS problems then. Perhaps that Christian knows, I'll email him.
4133) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75231)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps they had a DNS change and it takes 24-48 hours for that to propagate. But your earlier messages look as if they have changed their TLS certification.
4134) Message boards : Android : Move Boinc to SD card (Message 75223)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best ask in #1599, perhaps that then someone will think it worthy of their time.
Or as Christian says elsewhere:
...but it is up to you (as the one who wants to have it implemented) to find someone who is willing to spend time on this. BOINC is a community project now and has no dedicated developers anymore. So any request for a change or a new functionality is done in the spare time of volunteers which set their own priorities. If you want to bump priority you need to convince people that it is worth there while to do this or do it yourself and create a pull request.

Make sure to mention @denravonska, as he seems to be (one of?) the Android developer of choice at the moment.
4135) Message boards : Web interfaces : Any plans to upgrade BOINC website SSL algorithm away from SHA-1? (Message 75221)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It took quite some convincing to get Berkeley thus far to get those certificates, especially for Seti@Home. There they also want to change the downloads to HTTPS but lack the necessary certificates for that, so a new fight ensues.
4136) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75220)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
It got better, yet mysteriousererererer...

The page isn’t redirecting properly

Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.

This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies.
4137) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75219)
Posted 12 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even if he wins, he will never get enough seats in Parliament to rule. Polls have him at 35 seats at best, he'll need 76 to rule. Besides, we know that polls cannot be trusted, not after the US elections.

As for those shambles:
How to remove Trump from office

Donald Trump is a one-man basket of deplorables. He is a braggart and a liar. He is a bully and a demagogue. He is an ignoramus and a deadbeat, a chiseler and either a sincere racist or an insincere one, and his love for himself is matched only by my loathing of him. He is about to be president of the United States. A constitutional coup may be in the offing.

... It is folly to think that (Trump's) aides ... are going to be able to moderate Trump. They are enablers, emptying their consciences and stuffing their egos, and it is even sillier to think that Trump himself will change. He is 70, into the years of ossification, and his political triumph has only convinced him of his inerrant correctness. He thinks he is infallible, a kind of secular pope. Things will go from bad to worse.

... Under the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, the vice president, together with a “majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide” can remove the president for being “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.”

... But it is plain that the 25th Amendment does give a role to Cabinet members that is not generally considered when they are up for confirmation. This time, however, they should all be asked whether they are aware of the 25th Amendment and, if need be, whether they would be willing to implement it. Some would say that they do not respond to hypotheticals, but a willingness to abide by the Constitution is not a hypothetical. It is, instead, a grave duty.
(Source)
4138) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75200)
Posted 11 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since many are looking but none are posting...
Let me start off by saying that I do hope that the Russians do not have any material to blackmail the new man in the White House. But say that they did, what would the options be to not have him in the White House in the first place? Or can you also impeach an president elect?
4139) Message boards : The Lounge : BOINC's Politics thread (Message 75199)
Posted 11 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go on then, there is plenty of need for it. Go have your discussions about the new man in the White House, in Germany, In The Netherlands, in Wherever.
This thread will not be moderated, so if you're having an all-out hair tearing competition, be my guest.

For the times I do read through the thread:
- No swearing whatsoever.
- No name calling the other guy you're in discussion with.
- No denigrating comments about other posters.
- Keep it civil.
- Want my devoted attention because you feel something does need to be taken out? Press the report post function (the red X) and let me know what's your problem with the post you report.
4140) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75198)
Posted 11 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please everyone, keep news about the American political changeover to the Seti Politics forums only.
4141) Message boards : GPUs : clinfo.exe wrong values for CL_DEVICE_ADDRESS_BITS (Message 75186)
Posted 10 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, for me it's deposited there by my AMD GPU drivers, but since the OP only has an Intel and Nvidia GPU, either drivers may have done the same thing.
4142) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 75183)
Posted 10 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just posted my new FAQs message at the Einstein forums, but wasn't easy to get there. See, I'd lost my password, so I thought to log in with my authenticator.
Did that, got onto a screen where you can change your password, have to fill that in twice and then for good measure you have to fill in your old password to validate that change.... see where this isn't going to work?

And yes, I tried to fill in my new password tp validate: didn't work.
I tried filling in no password to validate: didn't work.

What use is it to log in with your authenticator key, to then be only capable of changing the lost password with the password you lost?
Shakes head. Mumbles something.
4143) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC FAQs 10 year anniversary: BOINC FAQs Wiki (Message 75181)
Posted 10 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
In December of 2006 I approached my friend Neil Munday if it was possible to start a FAQ for BOINC, using his FAQ database code that he had written for the PC Format FAQs. The BOINC FAQ Service was launched 15/12/2006.

With its ten years anniversary coming up, I felt that a lot of the information in the FAQs was antiquated and that it needed a new environment, so I asked Neil if it was possible to copy everything over to a Mediawiki environment so I could start the rewrite. He sent me the whole contents of the original FAQs in text format, after which Ed from Seattle (as bowtieguru) and Kiska helped me manually put everything from that file into the Wikipedia environment. Ready for the rewrite.

Ed further made sure links were up to date and that most all FAQs were in a readable content, while I started work on the rewrites, the font, the CSS, images and about everything else. I've since added a lot of new content, rewritten a lot of the old FAQs, but a couple of stragglers are still in the old format and have the old content. I've been working on this since the summer vacation, but my concentration waned and I lost interest in a lot of things.

Since October I started getting nightmares, slept about three hours a night or close to 20 hours when completely exhausted. So I went to my doctor to try to figure out what this was. He sent me on to a psychologist, who diagnosed me going through a deep depression. And apparently it's been happening for quite some time already, a little over a year.

So I have these scary thoughts going through my mind, deep dark thoughts that I don't want to have, and wild vivid day-dreams in which I see me do horrible things to myself. While working on that, I chose not to use my computer that much, and when I do, to then just do some gaming. Most of the time though I sit on my living room couch watching old series on my UHD TV: Andromeda, Mythbusters, Time Team, Fringe, Mantis, Raven, and when I really do need a laugh, one of the Ancient Aliens episodes: Ancient Alien Theorists Believe... that only they know it all. ;-)

But this means that the rewrite of the FAQs is on hold and its original relaunch date of mid-December 2016 has come and gone. I do know I cannot do it all alone, but sadly the 10 people I originally got together to do all this with have not turned up (apart from aforementioned Ed and Kiska). Good personnel is hard to find, or I am a lousy boss. :-/

I put the link to the FAQs on here earlier, but took it down again after a week as I felt it wasn't ready for too much prime time. Now it doesn't matter.
If I don't put it out there for you all to use, it'll never get used and it just takes up space on a server. Might as well get its address out in the open.
And perhaps that this spurs those original 10 on to come help out, or perhaps that you feel you want access and want to start writing. It's possible, just contact me for an account.

For instance, anyone out there who can help me add images to the first page of the Wiki with links under them going off to parts of the FAQs? I want to set up the front page not unlike the first page of Mediawiki, but I don't know how. Yes, templates and possibly CSS. But with my mind as a sieve it's difficult to figure out, especially when I forget what I read the moment I read it. Happens a lot.

The rest of the FAQs is subject to continual changes as well, mostly about how it looks, and in the future a little less green even. The peasoup green is done because the Monobook colours were too hard for my tired eyes, and so I changed all CSS to these new colours. Should become lighter in the future. But still green. :)

Leaves me with the thank yous:
Thanks go out to Neil for his invaluable help on how to work with a CSS file, and of course for hosting the new FAQs. I'm always feeling sorry I can't pay him a grand a year for hosting this on his server. Perhaps one day.
Thanks go out to David, for BOINC, as without it no FAQs.
Thanks to the community, as without their frequently asked questions, no FAQs. :)

Go on, go look: https://boinc.mundayweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=BOINC_FAQs_Central

Jord.

(PS: You may spread this post as far and wide as you can, on any forums I don't put it at)
4144) Message boards : GPUs : clinfo.exe wrong values for CL_DEVICE_ADDRESS_BITS (Message 75180)
Posted 10 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check in %SYSTEMDRIVE%:\Windows\System32 as there may be a more up-to-date clinfo.exe in there, deposited by the Nvidia or Intel drivers.
4145) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75167)
Posted 9 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Information on that here:
David Anderson wrote:
For about a month, the server has sporadically become extremely slow for web access, usually for an hour or two.
Today (Sunday) was slow all day long. Our sysadmins are investigating. It's mysterious.
The load average is normal, and the rate of HTTP requests is normal. Hopefully we'll fix it soon.
4146) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 75165)
Posted 9 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Zombie apocalypse would wipe out humankind in just 100 days, students calculate

University of Leicester physics students explore feasibility of surviving viral infection.

A real-life zombie outbreak would leave the world’s population in shambles, with less than 300 survivors remaining a mere one hundred days into the apocalypse, according to students from the University of Leicester.

Assuming that a zombie can find one person each day, with a 90 per cent chance of infecting victims with the zombie infection, the students from the University of Leicester Department of Physics and Astronomy suggest that by day one hundred there be just 273 remaining human survivors, outnumbered a million to one by zombies.
4147) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75158)
Posted 9 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, 82, Iranian politician, President (1989–1997)
4148) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 75156)
Posted 9 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
About the BOINC forums sporadically going down:
David Anderson wrote:
For about a month, the server has sporadically become extremely slow for web access, usually for an hour or two.
Today (Sunday) was slow all day long. Our sysadmins are investigating. It's mysterious.
The load average is normal, and the rate of HTTP requests is normal. Hopefully we'll fix it soon.
4149) Message boards : Questions and problems : How make seti@home use my gpu ? (Message 75128)
Posted 6 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seeing https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80814 you already figured it out and have gotten work.
4150) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC tries to unhook NVidia gpu, crashing win 7 (Message 75125)
Posted 6 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reading around on the internet, this problem is caused by the Nvidia drivers. Try to install a lower previous version, doing a clean install of them. That's apparently an option in the installer itself, you may have to look around in the options a bit.

Also see https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/913286/nvidia-gtx970-seen-as-a-removable-device/?offset=6 on what other users of Nvidia GPUs found about it, including a hack to hide the message.
4151) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different hosts getting same ID (Message 75115)
Posted 5 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have two different computers which have the same type of CPU (Intel 3770k), amount of RAM (32GB), and operating system (Windows 7 Ultimate), but they have different hostnames, local IPs, and GPUs.
BOINC doesn't just use the CPU to check which computer is which, as if it did everyone everywhere would be affected in this way as everyone everywhere would be getting the same hostID for all their same CPU hardware. Which makes me want to check something local at your place: the local IP address.

The one thing that will identify the computer as being that hostID is the local IP address, so could you please double check that your hosts get unique IP addresses on your local network? Else can you PM me the contents of the sched_request_*.xml files of both those computers for any of the projects affected? Don't post that in the open forum, or on dropbox or anything like that, please, just private message the contents to me. I will delete the PMs as soon as I am done with them.
4152) Message boards : Questions and problems : Questions about RAM/page file settings, and network (Message 75112)
Posted 5 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
The value you set is the maximum amount of RAM BOINC can use at those times, whether it'll use that is up to the project's science applications. I think there's only one or two still left that have huge tasks using 1GB of memory, but the majority uses way less than that and so the maximum is never reached.

By the way, was it necessary to quote my whole post?
4153) Message boards : Questions and problems : Questions about RAM/page file settings, and network (Message 75110)
Posted 5 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Memory: When computer is in use, use at most N % / When computer is not in use, use at most N%: Are these "N%" refers to total memory or free memory? I always see a much lower usage even if I set them very high. Does that mean the projects running just don't need that much?
The values are for the total amount of RAM that BOINC plus science applications is allowed to use.
2. Page/swap file: use at most N %: How does this even possible? I thought Windows will automatically determine if a program should swap to page file or not, based on whether the RAM is full and whether a program is active, or am I wrong?
Windows always uses the page file, ever since Vista. Even if you have 1TB of RAM in the machine, it'll try to use as much as page file. With this value you tell BOINC how much of the page file usage it can use.
Also if I'm using a SSD, should I set this to 0 to prevent to much writes? Is there any side effect to disable this?
There shouldn't be any side-effects if you do not use the "Leave non-GPU tasks in memory while suspended" preference. As for SSDs, Windows writes more to disk every minute than BOINC does, and aside from that, the latest SSDs are rated for millions of writes, more than you can make full in its lifetime.
3. Network: I notice that BOINC only download at most 2 files at the same time, even if I don't set any limitations, is it possible to override this behavior? Also, is it possible to use more connections per file?
Yes, that's possible through the options section in the cc_config.xml file:
<cc_config>
   <log_flags>
   </log_flags>
   <options>
      <max_file_xfers>N</max_file_xfers>
      <max_file_xfers_per_project>N</max_file_xfers_per_project>
   </options>
</cc_config>

&lt;max_file_xfers>N&lt;/max_file_xfers>
Maximum number of simultaneous file transfers (default 8).
&lt;max_file_xfers_per_project>N&lt;/max_file_xfers_per_project>
Maximum number of simultaneous file transfers per project (default 2).

You can easily make a fully populated cc_config.xml file by opening BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Options->Event Log options...->uncheck file_xfer->OK. This writes a complete cc_config.xml file to your data directory.
Reopen the Event Log options and recheck file_xfer->OK as that's something you do want.
Next open cc_config.xml in Notepad and find the lines above, then change their value to something new. Use Notepad->File->Save to save changes.
Then open BOINC Manager again->Options->Read config files.
4154) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc-client not processing tasks anymore (Message 75099)
Posted 4 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you check the World Community Grid forums for messages about this? Perhaps more people have the problem, perhaps the sub-project you chose ran out of work, perhaps it no longer supports Linux. In any case, it is something best asked over there. "Communication deferred" means the project stopped sending you tasks, it's not something BOINC did or that we can fix.
4155) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox Error on Mac Version of BOINC 7.6.33 (Message 75096)
Posted 4 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which VirtualBox version did you install, and does ATLAS say it is compatible with their project? Check that link for all the requirements for running work in VirtualBox for ATLAS.
4156) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager Energy Consumption (Message 75095)
Posted 4 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Andrew,

I asked the BOINC developer for the Mac for a bit of insight, here's what he has to say:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
The Mac version of BOINC handles this a bit differently from MSW. If the manager launched the client, it always shuts it down when it exits. So one way to do what he wants is to launch the client before the manager. If the manager finds the client already running when the manager starts, it won't shut the client down when the manager exits.
This means that you ought to be able to start the BOINC client (just called boinc or boinc-client) from the BOINC Programs directory (/Applications/BOINC/ ) and then the manager (called boincmgr or boinc-manager).

Charlie wrote:
One method he can use is to set up BOINC to run the client as a service / daemon as described in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X. This requires a bit of technical knowledge, but based on the sophistication of his posts I think he should have no trouble doing it.

I am surprised, though, that he is seeing such high CPU usage from the manager. On my computer (which is a desktop Mac Pro, not a laptop like his), I see about 1.1% CPU when the manager windows are open and only 0.3% when the windows are closed.

He should make sure that he closes the manager's windows when he doesn't need to read their contents, by clicking on the close box in the main manager window. This also "hides" the manager, though it continues to run in the background. In this state, it does not perform any unnecessary work so as to reduce its CPU load. He can then reopen the windows and "unhide" the manager by using the "Open BOINC Manager" menu item from either BOINC manager's menubar icon or from its Dock icon.

Hope this helps you.
4157) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75082)
Posted 3 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
In terms of not watching where you put your feet down?
Or in terms of dogs poo'ing where they want and their bosses being such yokels who don't clean up after their animal?
4158) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to install BOINC (Message 75063)
Posted 2 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the BOINC FAQ Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name
4159) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager Energy Consumption (Message 75055)
Posted 1 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
Under OSX exiting BOINC Manager stops boinc as well.

Don't you have the option to keep the client running upon exit of the manager?
In the least you ought to have the option available to run the client, without the manager. That's a given on all the other OSes as well (bar Android).
4160) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75045)
Posted 1 Jan 2017 by Profile Jord
Post:
William Christopher, 84, Father Mulcahy in M*A*S*H
4161) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running tasks on an APU (Message 75040)
Posted 31 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it switching between 3.9GHz and 4.1GHz? The latter is the Turbo that's built into the CPU. It can be disabled from the BIOS/UEFI.
If you see a different lower speed than the 3.9GHz, it's possible the chip has an idle-low power speed.

If that's the case, check that you aren't throttling BOINC (Use at most N% of CPU Time < 100%)
4162) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75038)
Posted 31 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Allan Williams, 86, Founder and first manager of The Beatles comprising Paul McCartney, John Lennon en George Harrison, Pete Best and Stuart Sutcliffe (1960-1962).
4163) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running tasks on an APU (Message 75037)
Posted 31 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most OpenCL applications like it best when they have a full CPU core for themselves, not to share it with CPU work running on it. So in this case, to stabilize things, you may have to reduce the "Use at most N% of the CPUs" to 50%, to tell BOINC to use only one CPU core and leave the other free for the GPU.

If you still want to be fully loading all CPU cores and the GPU, you'll need a better CPU and a separate (not built-into the CPU or motherboard) GPU. And even then running OpenCL work on such a GPU likes one CPU core free.
4164) Message boards : BOINC client : Error downloding tasks (Message 75036)
Posted 31 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
30-Dec-2016 01:12:51 (low) [] No usable GPUs found

30-Dec-2016 01:12:53 (low) [GPUGRID] Sending scheduler request: Requested by project.
Why add GPUGRID when you do not have a GPU? This project has only got work for GPUs, not for CPUs.

30-Dec-2016 01:13:01 (low) [SETI@home] Incomplete read of 849.000000 < 5KB for setiathome-8.00_AUTHORS - truncating
Something is not right in your connection to the Seti, and since communication happens on a per project basis, it will not affect all projects.
Solution is to try different HTTP connection, that will affect all projects but shouldn't negatively influence those already connecting correctly.
Example cc_config.xml:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_dlags>
<options>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
</options>
</cc_config>

Merge with your own cc_config.xml file if you have one, or else use it in its stead from /var/lib/boinc-client
Doesn't require a restart of the client, just a reread of the config files: <code>boinccmd --read_cc_confg</code>

For future reference, do know that communications with the projects are a project problem. It may even be a project problem where it has trouble sending out a new application (as Seti has had the past few days), and so any information about it is best asked for or found on the project forums. Only if none of your projects can be communicated with can it be a BOINC client problem - or a misconfigured firewall or proxy.

Later edit: if may also be a problem with the AUTHORS.txt file from Seti. See this thread where two people have the exact same problem, although on different hardware.
4165) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 75029)
Posted 30 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
William Salice, 83, inventor Kinder Surprise Egg.
4166) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75028)
Posted 30 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
HTTP connections are available again and the certificate for HTTPS connections is still the old insecure one. Wonder what happened there.

Edit: the 'project is down' messages we get are from slow web access problems that the server is going through.

HTTPS changes haven't happened yet and won't happen until Berkeley allows it.
4167) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75027)
Posted 30 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
..
4168) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75017)
Posted 29 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least the message is different. Not the 'normal' blue back that loads with non-working links, but just a message that things are down.
4169) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC crashes Windows 10 (Message 75009)
Posted 29 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, best ask at the Seti forums then. And when you do, report which of the applications the GPU is using, perhaps that that's of importance as well.
4170) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 75005)
Posted 29 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I will ban myself for a fortnight. See you on 10th January.
I am a man of my word, see you then.

Your word isn't worth that much, is it? Need help staying away?
4171) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC crashes Windows 10 (Message 74999)
Posted 28 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The title of the thread says Windows 10 crashes due to BOINC, the post suggests otherwise, so please clarify?
how does the post suggest otherwise?
Running Win10 ... and Boinc crashes... <> BOINC crashes Windows 10

there is no error, the PC reboots.
A reboot isn't necessarily the same as a crash. A crash is the program stopping and showing an error message or error number or silently stopping and disappearing. In the case of Windows a crash is stopping and showing one of its myriad of infamous and difficult to read blue screens of death. Here the reboot can happen after the BSOD. But normally when a program crashes, that is all, Windows won't reboot.

Seeing the bugcheck and following it through a search, 0x0000000a is IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
An attempt was made to access a pageable (or completely invalid) address at an interrupt request level (IRQL) that is too high. This is usually caused by drivers using improper addresses.

'Drivers' can mean any drivers of hardware in your system, from the motherboard chipset drivers, via keyboard/mouse, to audio, video, monitor, network, printer, scanner, camera, microphone, external drives, etc. Depends on what's in and on your system really. Therefore you may want to check the memory dump with Windbg (Windows Debug), part of the Debugging Tools for Windows. It can yield more information.

like I stated, the latest GPU drivers offered by nVidia and installed by me from their site, version 376.33
Yes, sorry, you did say the driver version. Not that it was from Nvidia though, just that your GPU is an Nvidia. I asked specifically as Windows installed drivers can lack components required to do things, like OpenCL calculations. I'll leave it to any passing Nvidia guru to check if those drivers are stable enough for the GPU in question. Not all are.
4172) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC crashes Windows 10 (Message 74992)
Posted 28 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version?
The title of the thread says Windows 10 crashes due to BOINC, the post suggests otherwise, so please clarify?
What, if any, is the error you get?
'latest drivers' are which exactly? Installed by you from the Nvidia site or by Windows?
4173) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74978)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've UPS'ed a microwave into your direction. Wait for it our front.
4174) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74972)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great, I go to dinner and a couple of Travelers episodes, and in the meantime Carrie Fisher dies, Chris blows a brown note, and one of the other moderators gives him a gentle push out of the window.

I guess I shouldn't have dinner anymore on Tuesdays.
4175) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74964)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, I see where this is going to. Chris is the only one who is allowed to demand that the project makes clear what they do, and where its administrators and family are spending the holidays, while others around here aren't allowed to have an opinion about it or say the least bit about it. Please take your bad mood elsewhere, before I have to go press buttons I am in no mood to press.
4176) Message boards : GPUs : Computation Error at Opencl-Ati tasks (Message 74956)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
OpenCL versions is set in the hardware, so if you truly want to fix it you need a better GPU that is OpenCL 2.0 compliant.
However, no project that I know of requires OpenCL 2.0 applications.

Also, what it says here is that the drivers are OpenCL 2.0 compatible, but they will easily work on lower complaint hardware. Backwards compatibility and such. You can compare this to DirectX in Windows, where newer DX versions can be installed, yet older games run without problems on that.
4177) Message boards : GPUs : iGPU always on and GPU only when computer is idle (Message 74955)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that is not possible with the present preference settings.
4178) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 74954)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Vera Rubin, 88, astronomer, whose pioneering work on galaxy rotation rates led to the theory of dark matter.
4179) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Doesn't Recognize Computer (Message 74949)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
How do you run BOINC?
Is the client even running?

Can you post the first 50 or so lines of the start up messages?
4180) Message boards : GPUs : iGPU always on and GPU only when computer is idle (Message 74948)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You told BOINC that your iGPU is not a GPU but a co-processor.
The Einstein project is expecting an iGPU here because of work sent and the project science application being one for an iGPU. Seeing how your iGPU is now a co-processor and the project doesn't have any applications for the co-processor, it'll throw errors because of the missing correct science application for this hardware.

If you want to use the iGPU for Einstein, but not the GPU, why don't you use the &lt;exclude_gpu> option in the cc_confog.xml file?
4181) Message boards : GPUs : Computation Error at Opencl-Ati tasks (Message 74947)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best post this at the Einstein forums, as BOINC by itself doesn't do any science, thus doesn't put any strain on your hardware. That's all down to the project science applications. And when you post at their forums, people helping there can look into your hardware (if not hidden) and any possible error messages you have.
If you do want to get help through here, please follow the basic rules of information.
4182) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC cause shutdown (Message 74946)
Posted 27 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best post this at the Seti forums, as BOINC by itself doesn't do any science, thus doesn't put any strain on your hardware. That's all down to the project science applications. And when you post at their forums, people helping there can look into your hardware (if not hidden) and any possible error messages you have.
If you do want to get help through here, please follow the basic rules of information.
4183) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 74924)
Posted 24 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Vesna Vulović, 66, Serbian flight attendant, world record holder for surviving the highest fall without a parachute: 10,160 metres (33,333 ft).
4184) Message boards : The Lounge : Merry Christmas! (Message 74922)
Posted 24 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone only has one place to be today: http://www.noradsanta.org/
Until the muzak makes you go crazy! :)

Merry Christmas all.
4185) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74913)
Posted 23 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, look at that. Even the big ones aren't always online. At the moment Steam is down, worldwide.

Steam Services
Online on Steam  Unknown
Steam CMs 0.0% Online
Steam Store Offline
Steam Community HTTP Error 503
Steam Web API HTTP Error 403
TF2 Services No Session
Dota 2 Services No Session
CS:GO Services No Session
Sessions Logon Unknown
Player Inventories Unknown
Matchmaking Scheduler Unknown
SteamDB Database Normal
SteamDB Updater No Connection
CS:GO Regions
EU West Unknown
EU East Unknown
EU North Unknown
US Northwest Unknown
US Northeast Unknown
US Southwest Unknown
US Southeast Unknown
Australia Unknown
Brazil Unknown
Chile Unknown
Emirates Unknown
India Unknown
Japan Unknown
Hong Kong Unknown
Singapore Unknown
South Africa Unknown
Spain Unknown
4186) Message boards : Projects : DrugDiscovery is back (Message 74905)
Posted 22 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see it still shows me as moderator and administrator. I must stress I am not, moreover even when Andrey offered it earlier this year I asked him to remove me from the active roles. Let me go do that again.
4187) Message boards : BOINC client : Configure Client for Minimum WU download (1 per CPU-Core) (Message 74884)
Posted 21 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For linux have tried setting <fetch_minimal_config>i</fetch_minimal_config> but this does not seem to work.

How did you set it? In cc_config.xml in the following usage?
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<fetch_minimal_config>1</fetch_minimal_config>
</options>
</cc_config>

This will fetch just one task per CPU and GPU. It will not fill the CPU with one task per core, it's just one task for the CPU, no matter how many cores.

Where did you place the cc_config.xml file?
Did you exit & restart BOINC afterwards?
4188) Message boards : News : Thanks to Kathryn for 10 years of moderation (Message 74863)
Posted 20 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congrats Kat, good to have you around.
4189) Message boards : Questions and problems : How often does the Top 100 get updated? (Message 74855)
Posted 20 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's fixed, thank you for the report.
4190) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and VirtualBox issues (Message 74851)
Posted 19 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know why installing 32-bit BOINC and VirtualBox made any difference for detecting VirtualBox.

Lack of 32bit compatibility libraries, perhaps? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#64_Bit_Considerations
If you are running 64 bit Linux, you might have a problem with projects that issue 32 bit applications rather than 64 bit applications. To allow 32 bit applications to run on 64 bit Linux you must install 32 bit versions of certain shared libraries. The names of the packages containing the 32 bit libraries is different for each distro.
4191) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issue installing boinc_7.6.33_windows (Message 74842)
Posted 18 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Repair or remove programs for Windows 10 writes:

To repair many programs, go to Control Panel.

    In Search, enter Control Panel and select Control Panel.
    Select Programs > Programs and Features, and then select the program.
    To fix the program, select Repair or, if that’s not available, Change.
    Follow the directions on the screen.
4192) Message boards : Questions and problems : How often does the Top 100 get updated? (Message 74835)
Posted 18 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to behind the scenes.
4193) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI graphics (Message 74834)
Posted 18 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti graphics only work on CPU tasks, they do not work on GPU tasks. The science applications doing the work on the GPU do not have a graphics application, because at the time it was thought that simultaneous calculating intricate 3D graphics and doing science applications on the same hardware would increase the errors. Other projects have since shown this to be hogwash, but at Seti they still don't want to add a graphics application to the science applications running on the GPU. It also doesn't help in this that the Seti community develops the new science applications and they're massively against the graphics & screen saver.
4194) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issue installing boinc_7.6.33_windows (Message 74833)
Posted 18 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And just in time. As all the time before the whole Mundayweb domain was offline due to a MySQL database error.

By the way, not in the FAQ, but apparently also a repair option is Microsoft Fix It, a tool that removes erroneous registry entries. (Which in this case is the matter).
4195) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 74813)
Posted 17 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dr. Henry Heimlich, 96, "Heimlich maneuver".
4196) Message boards : News : Welcome TN-Grid (Message 74805)
Posted 17 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project must have been Alpha/Beta until now, with the project administrator(s) only just putting the project in Production Status and giving David an email about that.
4197) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74788)
Posted 16 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
With the spirit of Christmas in mind I'll allow solaris (aka speedman/musicplayer/finnenummer/happyday/bluestar/pinkpanther/andprobablyseveralothers) to be here, as long as normal conversation can go on and the delirious postings go into his 'Still here' thread. Go over too many times and this account joins the others at a forever banishment, Christmas or not.
4198) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox compatibility (Message 74780)
Posted 15 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Although the BOINC installer includes the VirtualBox program, we're not the makers of VirtualBox. Any problems with it are best searched for and/or asked on the VirtualBox forums. I did do a search there, but it probably is easier to find information with the exact error message.

This does look to be a Windows 10 problem though, it being overzealous at security.
4199) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74755)
Posted 13 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Down and out in San Fransisco.
4200) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install without administrator? (Message 74744)
Posted 12 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
also (I remember) not all the calculation programs are downloaded securely or contains signature

All project science programs contain a signature, else they aren't allowed to run under BOINC. BOINC checks for that. No signature, especially none signed against the key the project made with BOINC? Then no way it's going to run on a user's computer.

No, not all projects use TLS yet to upload their applications, but with all the changes in the area coming next year, it won't be long before they all will.
You can add a layer of security by installing BOINC as a service, then the BOINC Data directory and all projects and their applications within will be sandboxed, the applications therein are then doubly not allowed to go out of bounds, while anyone without permissible accounts is not allowed to write anything into the data directory. The disadvantage is that if you want to run any work on GPUs, that these do work under Windows when BOINC is installed as a service, due to Windows security measures that separate the drivers from the user account. BOINC will not be able to detect the GPU this way.

As for trusting projects, there's always the user who needs to determine if a project is safe or not. Rule of thumb on which projects are trusted? The ones in the BOINC Manager add project wizard.
4201) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install without administrator? (Message 74741)
Posted 12 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can run (well, control) BOINC as any account, but require an administrator account for the installation.
4202) Message boards : BOINC client : Can we have shorter GPUGRID projects please ? (Message 74738)
Posted 11 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not GPUGRID and so have no say in how long their tasks run, they have their own forums where you best ask that.
4203) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 74737)
Posted 11 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reinstalled 7.6.22 and it works

Which will have fixed the problem. The problem was that Windows forgot where it installed the program. This has been a long standing problem for quite some years, that can be fixed in various ways including your method of reinstalling the version you already had. Another option not yet in the FAQ and especially on Windows 10 is to use the Microsoft Fix-It Program: Follow these steps to automatically repair issues including corrupted registry keys that block you from installing or removing programs
4204) Message boards : Questions and problems : BES stopped working after updating to BOINC 7.6.33 (Message 74728)
Posted 10 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you also update BES?
Which folder is it watching?
4205) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 74709)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those wondering, I posted in the Release Notes, last line: For the moment, said goodbye and Godspeed to Rom Walton, who has left us.
Doesn't mean he's dead, I just wished him well on his journey away from BOINC.

I'll change it to say to work elsewhere. at the end. :)

Godspeed:
An expression of good wishes or good luck to a departing person or a person beginning a journey.
4206) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 74697)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Release notes have been added.
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes_for_BOINC_7.6
4207) Message boards : News : New recommended client for Windows and Mac (Message 74694)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll work on that later on.
4208) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 74682)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.33 is now recommended for Mac and Windows.
4209) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74681)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
More changes, but this time not for the better. Unreadable on my phone. Single column text? Nope.
4210) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC installing to non existent drive (Message 74680)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use Microsoft's Fix-It program to fix that.
4211) Message boards : Questions and problems : remote connection failed unless I started using REMOTE_HOSTS.CFG (Message 74670)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The built-in Windows administrator account is different from your administrator account. The 'run as administrator' option uses the built-in administrator account, not yours. The built-in administrator account and a user administrator account have the same level of privileges, but if you install BOINC with the built-in account it puts permission for just that account on the program- and data directory. When you then try to run BOINC with the other account, you don't have permission.
4212) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seti@home installed on 4xCPU AMD Athlon II, not doing much (Message 74656)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Computing preferences (example image) or local preferences:

Use at most N % of the CPUs: Keeps some CPUs free for other applications. Example: 75% means use 6 cores on an 8-core CPU.

Suspend when non-BOINC CPU usage is above N %: Suspend computing when your computer is busy running other programs. When activated a hi-load pause will be a minimum of 10 seconds before computing resumes.


Local preferences override web preferences.
4213) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74655)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wonder if recalling the contents of the page are done through a CGI script, as that apparently doesn't work well from PHP.
4214) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74650)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Simply said, HTML is the code that the browser can do something with. Everything that you see in your browser on these pages is hypertext markup language (HTML). The script code that PHP uses is not visible to the browser, so before sending the page to the browser, the server strips out the script code, executes it, and puts in its place the results of executing that code. PHP code will run from HTML pages but only when put in special &lt;php> tags.

An index.html is not the same as an index.php, although either can be redirected to the other. But they are not the same page.
The same goes for the forums_index.php and the sah_status.html pages, if the last would've been sah_status.php there wouldn't have been any problems. But just because the extension on the latter is .html makes it a different page, according to HTML.
4215) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74647)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Posting here is a right, but that doesn't mean that you can do what you want without consequences for your actions or your choice of words. Yes, I let go a lot here in the past couple of years, but then again there weren't that many people here, or those that were here weren't here on a daily basis. I also felt that you're all adults, so you can normally cure your own problems by talking about it with the person you have the problem with.

Trouble is that some of you now feel that this means you can say anything you want and if you're moderated by the moderators that you need to lash out at them, threaten them, make it feel as if they are the problem and not with your own attitude or what you posted in the first place. This resulted in that some of the moderators of these forums do not want to come into this forum anymore. It's also resulted in some of the people who liked to come here to pass by on these forums. Both things we shouldn't have or allow.

The moderators are not here to ridicule any of you, some of you can do that perfectly fine by themselves with their own actions and words they choose to plant into a post. We are here to moderate the forums, make sure everyone follows the rules always encountered on the left side when making a post. We also remove unwanted posts, made by you or by spammers. And on top of that, we can banish accounts without having to ask David to do so every time it's needed.

We do talk among each other via email, asking what to do in some situations and if we can't figure it out among ourselves, we ask those higher in the echelon for advice on the situation. We're bound by some rules as well, one of them being that we cannot in all situations explain why we did what we did or talk aloud about all decisions.

That said, the moderators are people too. You want to be treated in a normal way, so return the courtesy when speaking to or about moderators.
Fact is, from now on we don't allow any of you to attack us without merit, we won't allow any further threats to any of us. I don't care who you are or why you feel you have more rights than another to say what you want. Threats and attacks will be dealt with harshly. You are a guest on these forums, act like it. And if that is a problem for you, there is the internet: go start your own forums, with your own rules.

It's always sad to see that a few can be such trouble that it means all have to suffer.
4216) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74643)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit: These re my own views on this, I haven't asked anyone if they are the only truth.

Info that people here can pass on for the person(s) wondering why the https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html shows no 'Account' under Project and when logged in there's no Name and Log Out showing on the right: this has to do with the server status page being an HTML page instead of a PHP page.

To make this a little clearer, the forums are based on PHP code. You're logged in via a PHP page, not via an HTML page. When you look at the HTML page for the status page, you're not logged in here, because it is an HTML page. If there were an Account or Join option here, it would be for that HTML page, not for the PHP pages. You don't join Seti via an HTML page, but via a PHP page.

You should see the Seti Server Status page as a separate entity from the rest of the forums. If the project were to use the server_status.php page (that's normal for BOINC), it would have the links there (Seti switches to sah_status.html automatically, so they must have caught this internally, switching to the correct page). But see https://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/server_status.php, for those logged in, you probably have Account under Project - for those not logged in, they do not.

Yes, PHP is a scripting language that runs on HTML. But that doesn't mean that links from PHP pages can switch to internal HTML pages without problems, even if they are on the same domain. They are essentially two different pages, with their own permissions.
4217) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74622)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you don't clean up your language, I'm going to hide your posts in the future. Let's start with enforcing rule number 1.
We're not your personal blog, for that I would refer you to Blogger.

Also, you can stop it with your attacks. Any further attacks on anyone here, no matter how obfuscated you think you are putting it, are no longer tolerated.
4218) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74611)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
With the forum going from light to dark & back to light again, any idea as to why S@H not followed suit?

As far as I know, David follows what's being said in the thread in the News forum over there. So if people there say they find it too dark, he'll make it lighter. Too light, making it darker. He's also getting quite some input through email - not just from me but also from plenty of others who know how to find him.

As I understand it, most development is now happening through there, so once a more solid version is found, the fixed code can be put on here as well. But do know that these forums are a hack of the normal forums used on projects, so some things working over there may not work over here. (Although that's usually to do with credits and such)
4219) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74606)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the past days I have been writing and rewriting this post. If this makes it, you're reading version 7. I'll be using the word 'you' a lot in this post, if you feel spoken to - good. But it isn't anyone I single out in this post. Just you.

Ever since David added Bootstrap to first the BOINC forums, then Seti Beta and then Seti Main has he been under attack by some of you. As if your wife has left you for him, taken the cats with her, taken all your beer money and your beer, made your house burn down, wrap your car around a fence pole, made the sky fall and on top of that he has hurt you personally with pins and needles. And for what? For a forum code change!

The BOINC forums that some of you never liked that much anyway. phpBB was better. There were always too many forums here, people couldn't remember where they'd posted their question! There were plenty of other (open source) (freeware) alternatives that should be changed over to. Why the need to continue to develop the BOINC forum code? That took valuable resources away from more stringent problems, like the client and manager.

And even now David is attacked by some of you wondering why he's not developing the client and manager further, but instead is throwing resources at the forum code. And instead of asking him why he does that, you're putting all kinds of reasons out, making do as if what you post is the truth, as if you're well-informed.

Over the past couple of years, ever since the mobile handheld devices got in swing, have there been people asking for the forums to be adjusted so they can be read on these handheld devices. We have probably all seen what happens here, when you loaded the previous forums into a browser on a (small) Android device: you'd see the whole forums, but you'd have to zoom in to see anything. And this for each and every page thereafter. Yes, it worked, but it was tedious.

With Bootstrap the size is more normalized, and immdiately from page load, no matter what device you're on. You may have to adjust it slightly, depending on browser, but that's mostly to have it snap in view and that depends on preferences in that browser.

That it was put on Seti Main so quickly after these forums and Seti Beta is because of the huge amount of traffic that goes over those pages. If it were rolled out just here, I would be the one testing this, most the rest of you would complain and not much else. And no, of course David isn't going to ask you for your permission if he can go ahead and do some of these changes, just as he won't ask you if it's all right with you to inject the newest security measures. So why the requirement that you should be asked? Are you paying for the server, the electricity, the maintenance? Are you the owner of the server? If no to all that, then why the demand that you be asked before changes can be made, and throw tantrum after tantrum about it that you aren't?

There are things happening in the background that you have no knowledge of and that isn't coming out of the obscurity any time soon, things that I can only hint to but not fully disclose about. It's all to do with the leaving of Rom Walton, which has thrown a lot of stuff in disarray. The result of this is that the development of the PC client is at the moment at a total standstill, and until the stuff in disarray has been untangled, I wouldn't expect any changes in that.

Yes, there are volunteers jumping into that gap, but they cannot pick up everything immediately. We may have found a developer for Android. Linux is outsourced to the package maintainers and some of the volunteers who build clients via a PPA. Mac OS X development is still done by Charlie, but since he's not paid for any of this work, it's in his free time. He has his normal work go before any BOINC development.

Which leaves Windows development, and here we're lacking knowledge, know-how, good documentation. If you feel it's up your street, contact David about it. He'll fill you in on all the exact requirements.

I did ask for the beta client to be released as recommended, and have seen David put this forward earlier, to see if anyone else had a problem with that. So far none have.
4220) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74603)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Info that people here can pass on for the person(s) wondering why the https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html shows no 'Account' under Project and when logged in there's no Name and Log Out showing on the right: this has to do with the server status page being an HTML page instead of a PHP page. Apparently HTML runs this code differently, so that's still being looked into.
4221) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74601)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, that's a very early maintenance...
4222) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74587)
Posted 5 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now it is required to scroll back to the top if I want to go navigate elsewhere.

While I agree that's irritating, there's an easier thing here... click on for instance "The Lounge", or "Cafe Seti" , or "Number Crunching", or "Message boards" to get out of there in a jiffy. That link combo can be found in the lower left corner under "Post to thread".
4223) Message boards : Server programs : Cloning Fedora 25 with BOINC Preinstalled (Message 74554)
Posted 2 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, I suppose you're right in that removing the client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml files will remove all that info, giving it essentially a factory reset. But are you sure about the MAC address?
4224) Message boards : Questions and problems : Requesting advice for "You currently are not authorized to manage the client" (Message 74552)
Posted 2 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The program's name is BOINC, it stands for Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing

With that in mind, check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Selecting_which_users_may_run_BOINC_Manager for how to add (non-administrative) users to the group that can use BOINC Manager (the Graphical User Interface) to manage the BOINC client.
4225) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 74551)
Posted 2 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andrew Sachs, 86, ( Manuel in Fawlty Towers)
4226) Message boards : Server programs : Cloning Fedora 25 with BOINC Preinstalled (Message 74544)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you remove the ID from client_state.xml and set the host_ID to zero before restarting BOINC?
Just taking a guess here... I would think the moment that copy then made contact with the server that it would get appointed a new ID.
4227) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not uploading or downloading SETI@Home tasks (Message 74543)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glad it worked out.
4228) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not uploading or downloading SETI@Home tasks (Message 74536)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hold that... Apparently there was a problem with download server 2 that Eric fixed. You can try again without changing HTTP first!
4229) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not uploading or downloading SETI@Home tasks (Message 74535)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
One possibility is that that computer doesn't like HTTP 1.1 anymore and wants to be configured to have BOINC communicate via HTTP 1.0 with the project.

To do so, exit BOINC fully, navigate to the data directory C:\ProgramData\BOINC (which is hidden, so just fill in the path in Windows Explorer and hit Enter).
Getting there check if you already have a file called cc_config.xml and if not, make one. You can use Notepad or Notepad++ for this, no need for a fancy XML editor.

In it add the following:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
</options>
</cc_config>

Save the file as cc_config.xml, save as type 'all files', using ANSI encoding.

Afterwards restart BOINC and try with it to contact Seti.
I have asked the Seti devs to check that the server is configured correctly, as reading the cURL forums it may be that there's something wrong with it when it returns 'empty replies' or does not reply at all.
4230) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not uploading or downloading SETI@Home tasks (Message 74532)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment there's a world wide attack happening on various DSL modems on TCP port 7547 which can cause anomalies, and is done to try to get malware on affected systems.

No one's asked yet, but what other things are you doing with those computers? Do any of them, or all of them, also have a torrent program on them and if so, are these active and if yes how many open ports do they have for downloads and uploads? As an example, when my wife downloads via her torrent client it can happen that I have neigh on no bandwidth left on my system all due to 200+ ports being open on her system slurping up all that bandwidth.
4231) Message boards : Questions and problems : Team Description not migrating to Projects (Message 74524)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
David checked, the teams project was disabled. That's fixed now. Thanks for the report.
4232) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74517)
Posted 30 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Psst, it's Wednesday. :)
4233) Message boards : Questions and problems : Team Description not migrating to Projects (Message 74515)
Posted 30 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're sure you used the right email address?
4234) Message boards : Questions and problems : Avira Antivirus Detecting BOINC as a Virus (Message 74507)
Posted 30 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's what we call a false positive. If you want to see if it's really something to worry about, go to https://virustotal.com/ and upload the file there, then allow it to be scanned. It'll use more than 40 individual scanners to check for strange things and tell which ones see suspected behaviour. The more that see something wrong, the more likely it is that there's something wrong with the file and a full scan of a good AV scanner is needed.
4235) Message boards : Questions and problems : specify CPU cores allowed with APU / GPU (Message 74494)
Posted 30 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Much asked for, but no, that isn't possible unless you work with two separate scripts or batch files and two global_prefs_override.xml files.
4236) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74471)
Posted 29 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, they're back. Quick maintenance or something else?
4237) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot Access old account (Message 74468)
Posted 29 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi, normally when a user cannot reach his account, but the email address on it is still in the hands and care of that user, he can use the 'lost password' option to a page with instructions on how to get the account back. This can be done by choosing the option to have an email with login link sent to the email address on the account.

If however you no longer have access to that email address, things get more difficult. Normally I would then say to make a new account, that's the easiest way. In this case however, I have forwarded your request to the administrators @Seti and hope to hear back from them on what to do.

Do know that Seti have their own forums in which things like this are better asked - for future reference. Although Seti Classic is the predecessor of BOINC and Seti@Home, BOINC is an entity in itself, as is Seti. They may run from the same location, but they're not one and the same thing. So there's not much we at BOINC can do in cases like this.
4238) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74462)
Posted 29 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, interesting. With the now new outage even the SSP cannot be reached. (BTW, for those looking, it's sah_status.html, not server_status.php; while for other BOINC projects the latter is the server status page, it never was for Seti).
4239) Message boards : Documentation : Rom Walton and Boinc? (Message 74458)
Posted 29 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom has left since April-May of this year, and since he didn't want much in a way of a send-off, he just left. His new employer has him working so much that he has no time left over to work on BOINC. I'm sorry to see my friend go.
4240) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74446)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please refrain from posting comments that attack or insult people and focus on constructive criticism.
No messages intended to annoy or antagonize other people, or to hijack a thread.
No messages that are deliberately hostile, threatening, or insulting.
4241) Message boards : Questions and problems : What happens to remote computers logged in, if I change a project's password? (Message 74435)
Posted 27 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
My admin title is only used for battling spammers, it doesn't mean I am all-knowing. I'm a volunteer just like Christian and you. :-)
As far as I know, I never said anything about the manager giving the weak or strong account key. Even re-reading, I see Christian and I are on one line, and just adding to the information we both gave. The only - but - you may have is the one in my first answer in this thread. It was more of a question I asked myself and to return to it later, but I didn't. Sorry for that.
4242) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74420)
Posted 27 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc forums are still plagued with the 1990 script spam-bots auto generating bogus teams and accounts (last week).
Spam on the internet didn't start until 1994, and was then done on Usenet. Might want to brush up on your history there.
Also, we - as in the BOINC forums - have a lot of spam accounts made as we have less defense against the spammers than the projects do. At least at the projects they can enforce that an account has credits and a RAC of more than 10 before they can make a profile, add an URL, add a signature even.

They have several other insurances that stop spammers in their tracks as well.
Yes, they can still make accounts, but they can't put spam into them. We don't have most of those luxuries, due to no credits & RAC. So here other things happen, in the background and the foreground.

If you're afraid of the accounts they make, those can get cleaned up quite easily as I understand. Just check if accounts have viable computers attached, and if not, remove those accounts. Can be done through a cron job.

The other card - "it's integrated" doesn't hold water either, as all of the major BBS provide good secure APIs to most databases. Look at myBB for example.
Bad example. My forum has been hacked help, Hacked! Every forum's worst fear, Recovering a Hacked Forum
4243) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74414)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson, November 12, 2016 wrote:
Fonts etc.: we're using the Bootstrap default.
We can fiddle with this once everything else is working.

4244) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74403)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, those that read among the different forums, the quoted text isn't bold. It's just that it's 17.5 pixels big (it was 18.75px) that makes it bolder. However, if you add a [size /] tags to it resizing it back to e.g. 10, you'll see the text isn't bold.
4245) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74399)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I had one suggestion to make about boinc it is throw forum software in the bin. It has past retirement age, probably 5 years ago.

Newer isn't always better. How many times the past years haven't we been hearing about big hacks where loads and loads of user accounts have been stolen, with everything in them available under the sun, from sexual orientation, to age, to family setting, to full name and address, to all privacy induced information you didn't want to get out?

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/worlds-biggest-data-breaches-hacks/ has a nice visualization of that. If that doesn't scare the &*%^& out of you...
How many of those have been BOINC related? I can tell you, but that would be cheating. :)

Having it developed in-house means that any breaches elsewhere (e.g. in the external libraries) can quickly be fixed, whereas when it's developed by someone else, you'll have to wait until they fix it before updating. This waiting time can be long.
There's also not much in privacy related information that these boards need, or stream unnoticed from your PC to databases at the back.

Because really, do you feel safe and sound in Facebook, Google or Windows (10) environments? Feel you can really constrain all the information you don't want getting out? For if not, why would you want all the rest of us to go use it then?

Edit: clearing up part what I meant to say.
4246) Message boards : Questions and problems : What happens to remote computers logged in, if I change a project's password? (Message 74375)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The strong account key never changes. You got it appointed when you made the account.
Systems you have with a weak account key will have their account key nullified when you change the password, because the weak account key is based upon the account ID plus the password. When the password changes, the weak account key changes.
4247) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 74374)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, ClimatePrediction.net administrator wrote:
Hi All,

Yesterday evening (7pm UK time) there was an issue with the backend infrastructure that the CPDN servers reside on, one of the four hosts of the backend VMware system experienced an issue and another one is also currently having difficulty accessing the datastore. OeRC IT is currently investigating this. The project is currently shutdown whilst this is being investigated.

With regards,

Andy Bowery
4248) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 74373)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, ClimatePrediction.net administrator wrote:
Hi All,

Yesterday evening (7pm UK time) there was an issue with the backend infrastructure that the CPDN servers reside on, one of the four hosts of the backend VMware system experienced an issue and another one is also currently having difficulty accessing the datastore. OeRC IT is currently investigating this. The project is currently shutdown whilst this is being investigated.

With regards,

Andy Bowery
4249) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74362)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like the colour scheme at Seti Beta. It's way better than here, with all this white background rudely waking me up all the time.
If you don't like green, make sure you stay away from the new BOINC FAQs wiki. :P
4250) Message boards : Questions and problems : What happens to remote computers logged in, if I change a project's password? (Message 74361)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
They received the (weak) account key.
4251) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74357)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Adam, judging by the path listed in the error message.

BOINC admin. :)
4252) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74356)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Drop down boxes are now a uniform size.
The author column changing size (like on the Seti Beta forums) is due to the amount of text in the Post column. Much text means author column is small. Little text means author column is wide. I'm asking if that's wanted behaviour though.

Blue text on blue special users highlight isn't a good idea, though. ;-)
4253) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74354)
Posted 24 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I could tell you....

edit: but Deus Ex downloaded and installed, so it's play time!
4254) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74349)
Posted 24 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Steam has got an Autumn Sale at the moment, running until November 29th. I just scored Deus Ex Mankind Divided for just half of its retail price. Mafia 3 will have to wait until Christmas, hope it's cheaper then.
4255) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74323)
Posted 23 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ha {s,ss,z} {el, le} gr {o,a} ve.

Does that make you 'The Grove'? (ref Hasselhoff == "The Hoff") :)

Why do you think I go by Jord? I've had my fair share of people who call me Jordan, Jordi, Jordy, Yarden, Jordun, Jordon. And even Jord's spelled incorrectly by many, who spell it Jort.

No one cares. I usually rehash these people's names in an email back to them, and if they complain about that, I'll point out they started it... :-/
4256) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74303)
Posted 22 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, this wasn't a cookie problem as one couldn't jump to a post from the 'in response to message N' when not logged in on browsers (like Internet Explorer) as well. When you're not logged in, you don't get a cookie.
4257) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74299)
Posted 22 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jumping to last unread post is now fixed.
Going to post 'in response to message N' is also fixed.
4258) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system (Message 74283)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just giving this thread a bump up, so it can stay open and I don't have to reopen it again tomorrow.
4259) Message boards : Teams : Team Gridcoin - Rewarding BOINC computation (Message 74282)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just giving this thread a bump up, so it can stay open and I don't have to reopen it again tomorrow.
4260) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74280)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I just got news in. You think it's bad to see this on Seti Beta? Earlier I asked David to test with an image as background to fill up the empty space on the front page. He will go do that... and when that works... add bootstrap to Main.

I do hope that by then most of the bugs have been ironed out.
I also hope it works with the navbars at Seti, as as far as I know, these are custom made and not native to the BOINC code.

It's going to be interesting times.
4261) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74265)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 'zoom' is easily fixed. That's something that's 'stuck' in the Chrome preferences, so press hamburger, Settings, Accessibility, set 'text scaling' to something higher than the default 107% and that's it. One can zoom in to their heart's content.

Here's my Chrome with text scaling to 125%:

4262) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to accommodate periodic internet connections (Message 74263)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for the responses/suggestions. I thought I was going to get an email letting me know someone responded but I didn't see any.

That function was broken until shortly ago. Well, it worked if you had set the preference to 'get email immediately' but didn't work when set to 'once a day'. That should now be fixed, but still won't work for people who set that option before and had posts come in between them setting the pref and the function being fixed.
4263) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74256)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I am not for is for someone who can't be bothered to explain what he means in the first place, to post a rage quit obnoxious barf ball onto the forums. Doing so will land you on my ignore list. If you then want to return the favor, please be my guest, it's not as if I am peeking under "click here" to see what you were saying anyway. I'll leave that thankless job up to my fellow moderators, and otherwise to your fellow posters to see what you think you can get away with.

So I have come to a decision: up till this moment I was doing people a favor to forward their views, thoughts and advice to the developers of these forums, but I quit that as I don't need the additional crap from that rather thankless job.

You want to be heard or personally ignored, want to make that change worth something, go register to the BOINC Development email list and send your stuff in to there. Or email David directly. Mind that he'll ignore you as well when he finds your posting style to be less than friendly and attentive. And rightly so.

Getting registered and your advice/views onto that list doesn't mean you'll always be entitled to an answer.

Edit: When you do email the list and you want to add one or more images to explain what you see, make sure to store the images on an external site. Imgur, Photobucket, Imageshack, doesn't matter. The email list will strip any images you add and so no one will be able to see them.
4264) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74255)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I believe they are referring to the WIDTH the Rules box not so much the height. It has always IMO been rather oversized. As it takes up ~40% of the screen width and does provide a great deal of information. Personally I like being able to actually see as much of a message when I'm replying to it. So I'll pull the window off the screen to basically take up the full screen.

And ever so personally, I copy the whole thing into Notepad++ on my second monitor and type away at an answer there. Added advantages here are that when I do copy the message to an answer window and the forums are down, I still have my message, plus I can look at the message and work on it for absolute ages, and rework it or throw it away if I feel it isn't going to be what I wanted it to be.
4265) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74239)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Suppose maybe I meant the relative size between the two columns?
What a ridiculous comment.

Yours as well, when you put it like that. Welcome to my ignore list.
4266) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74238)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I found it using Google

Editing the URL to just https://boinc.berkeley.edu/ was never in your thoughts? ;-)
I've never considered the large logo as a hot link, so I didn't try that.

Well... it's what was asked for in this thread - and separately already by me in the emails I fire to David. But yes, the BOINC logo is the link to the front page. It always was that on the forums. It's also that as far as I know everywhere else, even in the Wiki pages.
4267) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74236)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would also like to suggest that in the message composition window, it might be nice to reduce the left column to the same width parameters as the reading pane, both for consistency and to permit a larger editing view and reduce scrolling when composing longer messages. This might permit getting the font drop-downs on the same line as the other buttons.

You can adjust the size of this window in PC browsers, perhaps also on a tablet (although I think on mobile devices, the answer window is maximized by default). To do so, grab the right lower corner with the mouse and resize the window to your heart's desire.

This function's been available on that window for absolute ages already. And when you resize it by dragging the corner to the far right, you'll find that the left column holding the rules will resize into a smaller column.

As for the navbar now not showing all the time, it's either that or it's showing all the time and the 'jump to last unread post' starts halfway down the page. Knowing that though, I feel it didn't do that on my phone, and there only there hamburger showed. I wonder if we can't have the hamburger show all the time, on every platform, see if that's less obtrusive.
4268) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74225)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not so sure it should scroll away. That's something I asked. I kinda liked it always on top.
4269) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74223)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
They were never there, afaik. There was a link to the main site and to Your Account there, but those have been moved to the navbar that's always on top.
4270) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74195)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I saw you do a [ size=9] (minus the space) inside the quote earlier, but it won't automagically work if you don't add the end tag, in this case [ /size] (minus the space) before the end quote tag.

Edit: I noticed that it will work outside of quoted text, which isn't good either.
[size=9]test test test

Does that work for everything?
[quote]test test test
No.
4271) Message boards : Questions and problems : Raspberry Pi - No Tasks (Message 74188)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure, I think you have to add --redirectio to the client to redirect the event log output to the stdoutdae.txt file, otherwise it's output to the terminal window you start the client in and nowhere else.

But having said that, check it there's anything recent in stdoutdae.txt, it should be in the data directory (wherever that is on the Pi).
4272) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74187)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:

That being given, I am not sure I understand why the effort is being made when the forums at Seti work so seamlessly.


The forums at Seti will eventually also get this stuff, as probably all BOINC forums out there will. It's the latest development of the BOINC back-end, geared towards them being available on mobile devices.

The 'jump to middle of the first unread post' problem has to do with the navigation bar at the top, and a solution is at hand (was already available in Bootstrap development, but why it isn't included in their source code, no one knows).

The development of the back-end/forums is just about the only development BOINC has, as although there is some movement in the client source code from volunteer developers, we must acknowledge we're down two of our main developers: Rom Walton has left us, and Charlie Fenton is only volunteering here and there. So I wouldn't expect a new client out any time soon. (Usually when I post something like this, they surprise me and do the opposite. So here's to hoping. :))

We should develop this style of different forums, as otherwise BOINC admins would be pushed into the arms of the Drupal development. Not sure you'd want to go there.

Everyone's concerns have been reported to behind the green screen. It's being worked on.
4273) Message boards : Android : 953mb of space requested on Android clients (Message 74177)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is the device that this BOINC runs on?
How much storage space does it have? How much of that is free?
What are your settings for Max. used storage space, Min. spare storage in BOINC?

Can you otherwise post the event log with the whole detection routine plus the error that you get?
4274) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74159)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
That gave me at least the time to change the broken case fan. One of the case fans of my AeroCool Aero-1000 case had stopped, so I contacted the place I bought the thing from to ask if the case fans were part of the 24 month warranty. They were, the store just didn't have any AeroCool fans in stock, so they sent me a Sharkoon system fan instead.

I just took the old fan out, put the new one in. It's putting out quite some bit more air than the old fan did, but at a louder noise as well. Not that it matters that much as most my fans are controlled through Speedfan and running at 20% while the system's idle. No need for all those fans to run at 100% when nothing's hot.

But just tried the Sharkoon at 90% and although it's loud, it also moves a lot more air than the AeroCool did.
4275) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74149)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Max-width: 600px
Well, I don't mind images being resized to a more normal size, considering some of you don't know how to behave yourself, but I do agree that 600px may be a tad small.

However, remember that Bootstrap is added for easier use on handheld (mobile) devices and that you wouldn't want a large image (or code-box) on a 5 inch screen.

(Hmmm, I see there are no scroll bars on the code boxes in my browser on my mobile phone...)
4276) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74147)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm, now I wonder what the use is of the vertical scroll bar in the code window, if when one scrolls down the vertical scroll bar of the browser is used. Reporting as well. :)

Edit:
emailed:
Additional:
The vertical scroll bar in the code window is of no use when the box length grows to whatever the vertical length of the log/text/code is and the vertical scroll bar of the browser is used instead. So while the scroll in both x and y directions is set to overflow, it won't work in the vertical because no boundary is set to the box size in that direction. Of course, a box size of max 800px in the horizontal is just too small, on any monitor these days. Can't that be set to a percentage of the user's screen resolution?


Edit2: Aargh, irritating line-height 1.42857143 !
Edit3: I can't override it either with
<div style=" line-heigth=1.0rem;">
at the start of my post. :(
4277) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74142)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
HAL wrote:
...something like [filtered user id xxxxxx] Like when someone is banished it displays [banished user id xxxxxx]

Forwarded.

Quotes are 17.5 font size? Really?
Bootstrap must be for the elderly without reading glasses. :)
4278) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74141)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks goodness we have the scrollbars for over-size code blocks now, but why are they visible in that post, when the code isn't big enough to need them?

Trouble is, the code box is now a set size. So as big as it is in my post, so big is it always, width wise. Which looks weird when the box is bigger (such as here). It only takes up half my screen.
4279) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74138)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Heh... when I do this:
[size=10][quote][quote][quote][quote]Text 1[/quote]
Text 2[/quote]
Text 3[/quote][/size]

and do a preview... the text in and around the preview window changes size to this size 10 and all the text in the post I answer to changes to this size 10. The text in the quotes however stays at size 17.5. - reported exactly like that to David. :)

(edit: We're missing an end-quote tag. But missing an end tag shouldn't execute BBCode outside the text window!)
4280) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 74116)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're gonna have to stand in the corner if you slip up a third time...
4281) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74115)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked David if a restriction of user name length was on the books, he "wants to wait until it becomes a problem bigger than those three 'users' that write an essay as their name at Seti". So, if you know of others, also elsewhere, please PM me with a link to their account(s).
4282) Message boards : Projects : New project (Message 74113)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm sure COD was something else... ;-)
4283) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74112)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
An "Edit profile" button is now available on the profile.
4284) Message boards : GPUs : What can I process with these cards? (8600 GTS / 8800 GT) (Message 74111)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Collatz Conjecture will do, but you also have to wonder if you want to due to their high power usage.

I just hope you have an account there already, as they ask for an invitation code these days, due to a spammer attack. I don't know how to contact Slicker for the code when you don't already have an account.
4285) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74102)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Byron,

It looks like the "If RAC < 1 one cannot edit their profile" solution is in play here. I've reported it to David, thanks.
4286) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74092)
Posted 15 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think the "clever " people have run out of idea's just coz you can add in CGI DON'T make things better than the originals

In the case of Westworld, there's pretty little cgi, about the only stuff seen thus far is the skeleton hands playing the piano in the intro and the 3D printers printing the woman on the horse and their Vitruvian Man. The rest is played by people, in a real western world environment. Even the androids are played by people.

Even the level where the androids are being serviced is just a big room with glass wall dividers. Pretty little in the way of computer generated content.

And weirdly enough, on the subject of remakes, we're liking the remake of Macgyver. As we do The Flash, Supergirl, Hawaii Five-0 and Lethal Weapon. All remakes of classic series or films.
4287) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74077)
Posted 14 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I continue to be amazed at the music they play on that pianola in the new Westworld series. The episode we saw tonight had The Cure's 'A Forest'. Had to play it three times to recognize it.

Of course, having a shoot out going on while 'Paint it black' is being played was already epic. Or Radiohead's 'No surprises'. I beg to differ, we are constantly surprised.

And that's separate from the great questions that the show brings, are the androids still androids, or are they now more humanoid? What about their maker? Or the co-inventor, is he truly dead? Finally asking the questions that we feel that Michael Crichton had wanted us to ask about his original book.

If you haven't seen this show yet, but you have the chance to do so (it's on HBO), do make an effort of watching it. You won't be disappointed.
4288) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74074)
Posted 14 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The page responds correctly and stays formatted properly when hitting it with a 'control +' to increase the font size.

Much easier control in Firefox.

Right-click anywhere on an open space of the outline of the toolbar that holds the address bar, search-engine box etc. and choose Customize.
The Customize page opens, giving you choices of which buttons to move to the toolbar, or which to remove from the toolbar. One of the choices to move to the toolbar is the "- 100% +" button.

I moved that to between the homepage button and the email button.
Next close the customize tab. Done. Now you always have page control under mouse range and Firefox will store the value you have here per tab/page.
4289) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74056)
Posted 13 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's normal behaviour on all BOINC forums, as far as I know. What the "Mark all threads read" function does is clear all markers for unread threads, it does not change the cookie for where you were in any of the threads on the forums.
4290) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74052)
Posted 13 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mark all threads read is fixed.
4291) Message boards : Questions and problems : Has the boinc forums changed? (Message 74024)
Posted 12 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Discussion and more about the changes to the forums can be found in the [url=Moving to the more appropriate thread Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion thread in The Lounge. This thread will now be closed.
4292) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 74023)
Posted 12 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I moved the rest of the conversation about the forum changes to the Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion thread. Please continue it there.
4293) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74022)
Posted 12 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please don't confuse BootstrapCMS with the Bootstrap HTML, CSS, JS framework (http://getbootstrap.com/). The latter thing is what get's implemented to BOINC. It is NOT a CMS (Content Management System!). The thing that is simply called the Bootstrap framework (developed by Twitter) is just a collection of CSS classes that can be used in the BOINC webcode to give it a specific look. It has predefined classes that make it easier to build websites that scale very well on different devices and the programmer does not need to worry about that stuff.

Ah, thanks for that clarification, Christian. I wasn't sure about the thing I linked to earlier, as it sounded 'different', but as I didn't see the other link in my searches, I assumed... :)

And you're right of course, it's not a CMS. Don't know why that stuck with me. My mind wanders elsewhere these days.

By the way, things look very different on my LED TV, when compared to on my 32" monitor, for instance all the quoted text is the same size and without bold face, as the rest of the text is. Both use Firefox, both with the option on to let the pages decide what font and markup to use. Text still scrolls off the side of the screen though, even on full-screen browser on a 50" TV.
4294) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74019)
Posted 12 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bernie's got a good point but would of 4t they would of told Jord about the change before it happend .

In a way he may have done, if I had kept my mind at those things. He has been saying for a while now that he wanted to add the Bootstrap CMS to the forums to make them more accessible on mobile devices, and allow for easier skinning and changing of the front-end and forums.

There was a thread about it on github (Issue #1704) the past couple of days with David saying he was going to actively follow up on that and add it to the collective. So that should've been a warning for me that it was coming.

Threats about going over David's head to someone else up the tree isn't going to help, because:
1. David is the father of BOINC.
2. He's the chairman of the BOINC Governance group.

So, complaints? Take it up with him, exactly as he requested in the development list email:
Please send me comments/feedback.
4295) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74018)
Posted 12 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answers from a postcard:

David Anderson wrote:

- You can shrink the page on Android now. Works fine on my phone and PC.
- Fonts etc.: we're using the Bootstrap default. We can fiddle with this once everything else is working.
- Only privileged users can user HTML, including the apparent new code instructions. (Yay me... )
- I fixed the jump to first unread bug.
- Friday is no different than any other day. I work all days.
- The script that sends the daily emails wasn't configured to run for the BOINC web site. I fixed this - it might work now.
4296) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74017)
Posted 12 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answers from a postcard:

David Anderson wrote:

- You can shrink the page on Android now. Works fine on my phone and PC.
- Fonts etc.: we're using the Bootstrap default. We can fiddle with this once everything else is working.
- Only privileged users can user HTML, including the apparent new code instructions. (Yay me... )
- I fixed the jump to first unread bug.
- Friday is no different than any other day. I work all days.
- The script that sends the daily emails wasn't configured to run for the BOINC web site. I fixed this - it might work now.

Edit:
I also see that the left-right scroll bar is back in the browser, no longer part of the thread.
Plus posting quoted text from a preview window now seems to work.
4297) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74007)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The forums allow partial HTML code to be executed. Gonna be fun with the software injections from the spammers now.
4298) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74004)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
I revised the BOINC web code (PHP) to use Bootstrap CSS
rather than our own ad-hoc CSS (main.css, white.css).
This is on Github in a branch named "bootstrap".
You can try it out on your project,
and see it in action on the BOINC message boards.

* The revised code uses exclusively Bootstrap classes.
* Pages with multiple columns (such as the sample home page) use Bootstrap grids
to be "responsive" (i.e. to show a single column on small displays).
* I added support for a navbar with drop-down menus. This can be fixed or not.
* You can use the standard Bootstrap CSS (black on white) or one of the many
"themes" (google "bootstrap free theme"; there are many sources). If you have
your own custom CSS (based on white.css) you can still use it, though it may
need tweaking.

To use the new code:

* Check out the "bootstrap" branch
* In tools/, do upgrade --web_only project
* In PROJECT/html/user, copy sample_bootstrap.min.css to bootstrap.min.css;
similarly with bootstrap.min.js and jquery.min.js
* If you want to use a theme, put it in PROJECT/html/user/bootstrap.min.css
* In PROJECT/html/project, edit your project_banner() to use the navbar if you
want. Use boinc/html/project.sample/project.inc as a basis.

There are some rough edges - for example, in dark-background themes, {select} options don't display correctly. (Anyone know how to fix this?).
Please send me comments/feedback.
I plan to merge this to master when it's stable.

-- David
4299) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 74000)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
David can reach the BOINC server from home, so he's not bound by office hours to be tinkering with things.
4300) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 73991)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, I don't like it. It's called Bootstrap, a new CMS for the forum front end. It's broken so many things now, I can't even use the forums anymore on my phone. And so I hope David takes it down again until fixed.
4301) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73972)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit: ah, that was noticed already.
4302) Message boards : BOINC client : Letting the queue run out (Message 73971)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Select the project you don't want work from, click "No new tasks" on the command menu on the left (advanced view) or select the project, click Project commands and from there choose "No new tasks" (simple view).

The button/option will change to "Allow new tasks" as it always shows what option you have, not the state it's in. Repeat this for all projects you don't want to receive work from again.

The status of the project will now show as "Won't get new tasks".
4303) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 73968)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could people please, instead of just dumping an anonymous link in this thread, take the time and effort to post a little snippet of what is under that link as part of the message? This so in the future when the link goes dead, the news stays, while when multiple of you post things, you don't have to check through the link if that's the same thing you wanted to post about.

With thanks.
4304) Message boards : Questions and problems : use_all_gpus no longer working (Message 73922)
Posted 9 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wonder if it doesn't have to do with drivers, although it seems that the K20c shouldn't be able to work then as its latest driver is 369.49. The 375.63 driver used doesn't seem to support any Tesla, only Quadro's, NVS's and GRID's.
4305) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73921)
Posted 9 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now then, he leaves me no more choice, here's the new rules:

- no mention of anything political, Brexit, Trump, Clinton, polls, ballots, pencils, markers, NATO, any countries, your vacation, your house, your cat/dog/bird/other pets, your thoughts, your education, your kids or other family, your men/women on the side, your food, shoe size, car and what you hide between your walls;
- no further mention of space or anything therein, any university bar Berkeley, anything that's got nothing to do with Berkeley, or anything that's got nothing to do with BOINC.
- grammatical - and spelling mistakes will hereby be met with a week's worth of banishment.





No, not really. The rules as per Inmate's post still stand to this day. Follow those, but do follow the moderation rules as well. We'll put down a heavier hand now that some of you truly cannot get your act together.

Edit: removal of signature.
J.
4306) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73856)
Posted 7 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric suspects it's the RAID card again, as it's been playing up since they put the new kernel on and it couldn't work with that new kernel. Now it may not even want to play ball with the old kernel.
4307) Message boards : Android : BOINC no answer after the first page (Message 73839)
Posted 6 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it normal that there is only Collatz Conjecture project ?

No, as far as I know that's not normal.

I have however just downloaded and installed it on my device and I have several more projects to choose from. So I don't know what that's about.
4308) Message boards : Android : BOINC no answer after the first page (Message 73826)
Posted 6 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use 7.4.43 instead. The bug is known, but development of the Android version of BOINC is at a standstill, so I wouldn't expect a new version any time soon.
4309) Message boards : The Lounge : Petition to get the Seti is down cafe re-sticked (Message 73798)
Posted 5 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not really necessary. It would be necessary if this forum wasn't much used anyway, but since there's been posts in it every day the thread stays at the top.

After the whole debacle of the past weeks, we're also want to make this forum more BOINC again than a Seti annex. So all Setonians are welcome to stay here - within reason - and start whichever thread you want, but the sticky ones are about BOINC only.

You don't have the Seti threads stickied at other project forums either, do you? So then, why here?
4310) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73763)
Posted 4 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for that, Christian. Mind posting the same to our email thread so everyone in that knows about that?

(Edit: signature)
4311) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73757)
Posted 4 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I can remember that under TortoiseGit, it would automatically send the puttykey along, even if you weren't writing to the directory. But, I have downloaded Puttykey.exe from Softpedia and will try if that works.

Edit: No, that doesn't work.
4312) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73755)
Posted 3 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie says to look here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit/WindowsKeygen

(Which of course can be a problem when you have something different than TortoiseGit installed. Like in my case, where I have SmartGit installed because TortoiseGit refuses to work correctly.)
4313) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73743)
Posted 3 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm mailing further with Christian and Charlie.
4314) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73740)
Posted 3 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I've emailed Charlie and David

Not so weird, Charlie works at off hours and is usually still up around midday UTC. David is for the moment not available, as he's dealing with something in the family.
4315) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73735)
Posted 3 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom was still making commits to the BOINC github repository as recently as last week: my understanding was that he was still employed 'in the family' by WCG, and was participating in the BOINC project as a volunteer like the rest of us, under WCG's wing.

The updates under his name (to e.g. translations like this one) are automated, they don't have his input.
4316) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73733)
Posted 3 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
ssh://gitolite@boinc.berkeley.edu/boinc_depends_win_vs2013.git works, all the rest does not. (That's now also changed in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit#Windowsbuilddependencies).

(It would appear that Rom no longer works for BOINC, am trying to get confirmation of that)
4317) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73731)
Posted 3 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had emailed David and Rom yesterday already, but have now forwarded the question to Christian and Charlie as well.
4318) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73712)
Posted 2 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What dependency?
Perhaps start at the beginning and tell us what you're trying to do, instead of seemingly falling into the middle of things? See When requesting help on theses forums for hints on what information we'd like.

For building BOINC on Windows, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient#Windows.
4319) Message boards : Projects : recently denied acces to SETI (Message 73701)
Posted 2 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric Korpela wrote:
We did a kernel update yesterday on the file server that contains the boincadm account and the SETI@home web pages. It looks like that server has crashed. Jeff is on his way to the data center to diagnose.
4320) Message boards : Projects : recently denied acces to SETI (Message 73692)
Posted 2 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks to me like their server failed catastrophically. Nothing any of us can do about it, it's the middle of the night in California, we'll all have to wait for daylight over there.
4321) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to attach to project (Message 73678)
Posted 1 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
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You should probably ask for help on this on the Sophos SG UTM 9 community pages, as they're better equipped at helping you than we are.
4322) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks received from any project (Message 73665)
Posted 1 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
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Yes, looks like you got the real batch. I just quickly dropped their names into Google to check up on them, and found info left and right about no work or it being gone.

I must say I am not sure if RNA doesn't have normal work as well, but it may also be that they're just out of work: Tasks ready to send 0.
4323) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks received from any project (Message 73663)
Posted 1 Nov 2016 by Profile Jord
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Projects are DENIS@Home, malariacontrol.net, FiND@Home, GPUGRID, RNA World

DENIS is out of work;
Malariacontrol is down, not sure if it's coming back;
FiND@Home quit;
GPUGRID it looks like you're only asking CPU work for, that you haven't told it to use your GPU - and then you have an AMD GPU which it may not use - a little something you have to ask there;
RNA World uses Virtualbox, which you do not have installed.

POEM@Home quit as well.
4324) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to attach to project (Message 73656)
Posted 31 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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SOPHOS UTM

Is that the free version for home users, or the SG UTM for businesses?
I see on their web page that it uses a proxy option, have you set that up? What about the VPN option?
4325) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Computation Error when Sleeping [Ubuntu] (Message 73644)
Posted 30 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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The BOINC client must run to allow boincmd to do the commands to it. So make sure you run BOINC (boinc-client).

But why not use the Compute only between N and N preferences you can set through the web site global computing preferences? That way you can tell BOINC to end calculations gracefully minutes before your sleep kicks in.

Or are you saying that you put your computer to sleep before you leave the system? Perhaps that you then take the couple of seconds to set BOINC to suspend as well, or automate the sleep function and use the preferences of run only between... You can even add the Suspend when no mouse/keyboard input in last N minutes preference and and have the sleep function check for system idleness before going to sleep.
4326) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73616)
Posted 29 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Edit: removing my post, even though I still stand behind the point I made. Will leave the rest intact. The weird thing here? Never is there anyone who says 'Gosh, you're right! I am going to work on that!', nope, always the person saying it will be attacked and made out to be the bad guy.

Due to that this is my last post in this thread, perhaps even in this forum (The Lounge, not the overall BOINC forums).
All while I contemplate on asking David if it isn't a good idea to just do away with this forum as it's becoming more of a nuisance than a use. I don't want to moderate here no more.
4327) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to attach to project (Message 73611)
Posted 28 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Nothing is blocked going out of our firewall.

And what firewall is that? Windows software firewall, hardware firewall? Is it on a home LAN, or office?

Can you add the http_debug flag (BOINC Manager, View, Advanced view, Options, Event Log options..., http_debug, OK) and then have BOINC contact the project you're trying to reach or BAM, and post the output of this? Please don't mask any of the IP addresses in the output, none of those are yours.

One question, seeing how you are contacting BAM (the BOINC Account Manager), was that your intention?
4328) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73596)
Posted 28 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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No, I don't know what Jozef's comment is about either, as apart from it happening on campus, what does it have to do with this thread or forums in whole? Questions.
4329) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73584)
Posted 26 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy birthday to David Anderson. 61, a whole year older than the same day last year.
4330) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 73577)
Posted 25 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Didn't know where to put this, but it's useful information and asked for by many:

David Anderson wrote:
I added support for showing the OpenCL GPU on the web page for the host.
This will require projects to upgrade their server code.
I'll deploy it on SETI@home in a couple of days.
4331) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73576)
Posted 25 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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The key is using enough soy sauce to season your finished product so that the tofu tastes lively, but not overly salty.

a) tofu is made from soy milk, which is made from soy beans, just as soy sauce is made from soy beans. But where soy sauce has oodles of taste, the packaging around tofu can have more taste than the tofu itself.
b) there are different kinds of soy sauce, you have a range of tastes from very sweet to very salt. And of course, where would we be without a Dutch influence here?

I use soy sauce a lot in my kitchen, as well as fish sauce, oyster sauce, tamarind, and things like rice wine vinegar. But tofu? Never again. Just as quinoa, we tried it, we hated it, never again.
4332) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73568)
Posted 25 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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McDonalds, is that food? You don't have to turn in your carnivorous tendencies just to miss out on Micky D non-foods. The last time I've been at such a joint is over 15 years ago. Don't miss it, but I would miss chicken, pork and beef a lot, too much even. Have you tried tofu? Yuch.
4333) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android Boinc freezing at splash screen (Message 73561)
Posted 25 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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If I am not mistaken, it is on both. But don't hold me on to that, it's been a while (before summer) since we had a discussion about it (both here and on the email lists).
4334) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 73560)
Posted 25 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Pete Burns, 57, English singer-songwriter (Dead or Alive)
Bobby Vee, 73, American pop singer (American band The Shadows, "Rubber Ball", "Take Good Care of My Baby", "The Night Has a Thousand Eyes") and actor.
Eddy Christiani, 98, Dutch singer, guitarist and composer.
4335) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with computing preferences (Message 73557)
Posted 24 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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The easiest fix is to reinstall BOINC.
4336) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android Boinc freezing at splash screen (Message 73555)
Posted 24 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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This is a known issue with both 7.4.51 and 7.4.53, with no fix for now. The Android version of BOINC is not in development at the moment, almost all of BOINC development has come to a stand still.

You can test if 7.4.43 works with your device, though and then ignore the messages to upgrade for now.
4337) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1327 when installing (Message 73530)
Posted 23 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=119
The error you have may not be in the FAQ's title, but that doesn't mean it needs a different FAQ.
4338) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73510)
Posted 22 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Yes, I have posted Yotube links, but not 25 in a row, in a single monologue just as you do. If you want to go do that, please use your own thread, that's what it is for. As has been mentioned in the past, and probably will be in the future.

If we're friends, you don't treat me like this this way, so I guess we ain't.

I'm off to dinner, but want to make sure I can leave this thread without having it spiral into another Youtube dash sob story fest.
4339) Message boards : Questions and problems : Failure to connect under macOS Sierra (Message 73500)
Posted 22 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Some people posted about their troubles in different threads, such as:
MacOS Sierra release today
MacOS Sierra not telling BOINC client about idleness

The BOINC developer for the Mac has manage to loan a capable Mac and installed BOINC 7.6.33 on it and he found it had no problems at all.
4340) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73499)
Posted 22 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Perhaps that that IoT botnet is behind the attack.

Oh darn, it was: 'Smart' home devices used as weapons in website attack

Hackers used internet-connected home devices, such as CCTV cameras and printers, (but also routers, baby monitors, digital video recorders, IP-cameras and Linux servers) to attack popular websites on Friday, security analysts say.

Security analysts now believe the attack used the "internet of things" - web-connected home devices - to launch the assault.

Security firm Flashpoint said it had confirmed that the attack used "botnets" infected with the "Mirai" malware.

Many of the devices involved come from Chinese manufacturers, with easy-to-guess usernames and passwords that cannot be changed by the user - a vulnerability which the malware exploits.

"Mirai scours the Web for IoT (Internet of Things) devices protected by little more than factory-default usernames and passwords," explained cybersecurity expert Brian Krebs, "and then enlists the devices in attacks that hurl junk traffic at an online target until it can no longer accommodate legitimate visitors or users."
4341) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73486)
Posted 21 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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This thread may load slow due to Chris's images, they stream from Amazon whose DNS company, Dyn, has endured a couple of denial of service attacks today. Massive web attacks briefly knock out top sites.

All because the Dyn DNS servers are being attacked.

Sites affected: Twitter, Amazon, CNN, Airbnb, Netflix, Spotify, Pinterest, Reddit, Github, Etsy, Pinterest, Tumblr, SoundCloud, PayPal, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, PlayStation Network, BBC, Cloudflare.

Perhaps that that IoT botnet is behind the attack.
4342) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73484)
Posted 21 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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My cold's over. I inherited it from Holly. She was longer sick (Friday - Thursday) than I was (Monday - Thursday), so your theorem is debunked, Chris.
4343) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestion: Graphical Device Usage (Message 73474)
Posted 21 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Currently all GPUs are controlled together. If I only want to turn one off I'd have to write app_infos or app_configs for each project involved.

Actually, BOINC will only use the most capable device by default, so if you have more than one GPU and they differ in (AMD:) speed, memory, double precision usage, or (Nvidia:) compute capability, software version, available memory and speed, only the best will be used and you have to tell BOINC through the use_all_gpus function in cc_config.xml to use all the other GPUs (where necessary).

In your example, a default BOINC will only use the R9 280x.
4344) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73442)
Posted 19 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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What version you got Jord?

I think that unless you're a lab person, one won't know.

Rhinovirus A and B bind to ICAM-1 (Inter-Cellular Adhesion Molecule 1) also known as CD54 (Cluster of Differentiation 54) receptors on respiratory epithelial cells while Rhinovirus C uses Cadherin-related family member 3 (CDHR3) to mediate cellular entry.

Rhinovirus C, unlike the A and B species, may be able to cause severe infections. This association disappears after controlling for confounders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinovirus
4345) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73438)
Posted 19 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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It's not flu, there's no flu yet. It's just the common cold, the rhinovirus, against which there's no magical cure. I haven't had a real fever (38C and up), just a slight rise in temperature (37.7C). Not that I'd feel it differently, with the ache in my bones.
4346) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73436)
Posted 19 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Okay, show hands who gave me this cold of hell? Sneezing, drippy nose, coughing my lungs out. Been in bed most of the time the past two days, fighting the complete weirdness of things that happen on my smart phone when I breathe on the display.
4347) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request: run till currently running tasks complete (Message 73435)
Posted 19 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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There is also one case when BOINC fails miserably - it is not able to predict when PC will be switched off for longer time because owner goes to vacation/holidays/etc. Especially in this case such new button would be helpful to tell BOINC which tasks should be crunched now, because otherwise deadlines may be missed.

You already have an old button for that, it's called No New Tasks.

BOINC isn't some artificial intelligence that is capable of foreseeing the future.
It isn't some quantum computer used to get weather predictions, which - if you have noticed that - won't accurately from minute to minute predict what the weather is going to be in a certain place either.

So BOINC uses the human element in cases where it cannot learn. No, of course it cannot predict when you're going on vacation. Only you can - within a reasonable doubt - predict when that time will be, and thus set things in motion to stop getting work in time. In BOINC's case, you set within a time limit that it shouldn't get extra work, via the No New Tasks function already available.

And even if you do not set that, there is still nothing lost, because BOINC works with redundancy: if you do not return a valid result within the time limit, it will be sent to someone else who will be able to do so. There is no project under BOINC that sends its tasks only to you, and never again to anyone else if you do not return a valid result. The science isn't irreparably lost when you do not return a result.

The only thing that will happen in this case is that you do not get credit, and that your BOINC will not ask for as many tasks when you return from vacation as it used to do. But allow it to do everything without managing things yourself and within no time it'll be back to values it did before the vacation.
4348) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request: run till currently running tasks complete (Message 73375)
Posted 17 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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This is not the first time this has been asked.
There shouldn't be any need for this as long as you let BOINC figure things out and stop micromanaging things in your fashion. BOINC will try to finish all work before their individual deadline, which is why - when a lot of tasks come in that BOINC doesn't know about yet how long they run for - it will run parts of tasks and go over to the next one before the former are finished.

It will calculate multiple times a second whether tasks are in deadline trouble, and as long as the projects give a reasonable estimate on their tasks for their duration, and you allow BOINC to run - by itself, non-interrupted - 10 to 20 tasks of each project, it will learn how long they run and keep that in mind, then ask more or less work the next time.

Some projects won't be able to run with each other on the same computer, e.g. Asteroids and Seti. Others run fine with each other.

The biggest problem of the request is that some projects run tasks quickly to 90%+ and then sit there for a long time, multiple hours if not days. If you don't allow BOINC to learn about those tasks, but interrupt it yourself with one of your requested buttons, we may well do away with the scheduler at all. Why have an internal scheduler when the user can say 'heck it, I want that task to run now'?
4349) Message boards : GPUs : AMD Drivers for Debian Jessie - Installing not successful (Message 73357)
Posted 16 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Do you have a monitor attached to the GPU, or a VGA dummy connector? As without one of either, I don't think you can get it to be detected.

Edit: If you're not technically handy, they come as pre-made.
4350) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73328)
Posted 15 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Considering the fact that not one but two versions of boinc for android that are broken have been released, and the latest that has issues identifying the processor (and is still the recommended version)

David doesn't do the Android releases, so not sure why that needed to be addressed here. Problems with that are best reported through the Github issues page (do check that no-one else before you went and did so), and/or the Android development group, whose address can be found through http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AndroidBoincTesting.

what guarantee does anyone have that DA reads any e-mail?

He reads all, but whether he answers depends on what you write, how you write it and whether it's something he can do something about. In your Android case, he'll probably just forward it to the group, or ask you to email that group.

In case of account deletions, if asked courteously you'll get an answer. Be out of line, and forget it.
4351) Message boards : BOINC client : Maxed resources client disabled (Message 73324)
Posted 14 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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I have set boinc not to run and disabled it in MS config

Why do so difficult?
BOINC Manager->Options->Other options->General tab->uncheck Run Manager at login?->OK.
That will stop BOINC dead in its tracks, both BOINC Manager and the client.

Because what's very possible is that you have now disabled the BOINC Manager (the graphical user interface that makes it easier to control the client), but not the client. And when the client runs, those WCG processes run.

Also, if you installed BOINC as a service and you check in Windows Task Manager, the boinc.exe process won't show unless you - as an administrator - click "Show processes for all users.
4352) Message boards : Questions and problems : What can I do with the following messages about "more disk space needed"? (Message 73313)
Posted 13 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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As well, the 80% comprises total disk space, not the partition BOINC has the data directory on. So if you have a 500 GB hard drive, and three partitions, 80% means 400GB used between the three partitions.


The tooltip on the web preferences says "Limit the percentage of disk space used by BOINC on the volume where it stores data.".

So it does. Perhaps that was changed as well then. Sigh.
4353) Message boards : Questions and problems : What can I do with the following messages about "more disk space needed"? (Message 73311)
Posted 13 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Only when the folder's read-only attribute has a check mark, does it mean that one or more files in the folder are read-only. When it has a blue square, it means the folder is in a no-attribute state. ALL folders in Windows have a blue square for the read-only attribute, but for those which contain read-only files.
4354) Message boards : Questions and problems : What can I do with the following messages about "more disk space needed"? (Message 73308)
Posted 13 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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I've had this in the past when, for no apparent reason, the BOINC data directory has become write protected.

The blue square you see on Windows folders does not mean the folder is read-only, it actually means it's in a 'no-attributes state'. The read-only state only applies to files in the folder, a folder itself can never become read-only.
4355) Message boards : Questions and problems : What can I do with the following messages about "more disk space needed"? (Message 73307)
Posted 13 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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As well, the 80% comprises total disk space, not the partition BOINC has the data directory on. So if you have a 500 GB hard drive, and three partitions, 80% means 400GB used between the three partitions.

Now just for completeness, could you please post the BOINC start up messages? The first 40 lines or thereabout should do. That should show us the numbers BOINC sees.
4356) Message boards : GPUs : Linux - Ubuntu 16.04 - boincmgr 7.6.31 - GPU drivers and software (Message 73291)
Posted 12 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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As long as you have drivers that support the hardware, BOINC will be able to detect the GPU. Though this does not mean that the project of choice has a science application that supports calculations on that hardware.
4357) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73194)
Posted 10 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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First off you are wrong Jord.

There are more ways than just deleting the information outright to make you believe it's deleted.

All of these deletions use the database, and just enable or disable a setting there:
One is what the moderators use, when they 'delete' a post: the post disappears from view for all non-elevated people. The post is still there, it's just hidden from view when you're not a moderator or administrator.

Two is similar, where the administrator changes the ID of the user to a different value. The result of this is that all data is still there, but it's inaccessible by anyone. Any posts done by the user disappear from view. Essentially, this is what's used when you're banished.

Three is similar to the previous option, but where the administrator locks the account of the user and changes key information (nickname, email address, account key) so the user can't log in anymore. Any posts they have made should still be visible.

Four is to delete the account completely. The function is available in the BOINC forum software (both here and at Seti) but on advice from me it's disabled, because there is no actual check that the person doing the account delete is actually the owner of the account. So anyone with less than noble intentions could hack your account and delete it.

Or what to think about drinking and posting, finding yourself in an angry stupor and clicking the delete button?
The account will then be gone completely, posts and all, and only still available in any last backup (which for these forums is about every 6 months).
4358) Message boards : Questions and problems : Confusing system for setting GPU process priority discrimination (Message 73143)
Posted 8 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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If I just change the default -1 value in cc_config.xml for
<process_priority>N</process_priority>, <process_priority_special>N</process_priority_special>
to say 2 and 4, nothing happens (btw, -1 is not listed as an option in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration)

That's because -1 isn't an option. Only the values 0 to 5 are, with 0 being idle priority and 5 being realtime priority.

If a value change doesn't seem to do anything, exit the BOINC client and restart it.
Also check that you're running based on preferences, for if you have Activity set to run always, this is one of those options where that can matter.
The change will also only happen at science application start, it won't change in the middle of a run. Therefore, exit BOINC & restart it.
4359) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73141)
Posted 8 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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To the person trying to reach us, and any other wondering the same:
We do not have a moderator email list such as they do at CPDN, Seti and Einstein. Our group isn't large enough to warrant such a list, we can easily do with the Apache reports and talk among ourselves via email.

This means that when you have a time-out on your account, you'll have to wait it out until you're allowed to post again. Once your banishment is over, feel free to click on any post's report icon and fill out your complaint/request to be heard. When doing so, please refrain from using any profanities, and cuss- and swear words.

If you want any of us to contact you back, but not through the forums, then leave your email address. When reporting through the report post function, we only see who reported, but not any privileged information. We could answer through PM, but that's then just one moderator who does so.

If you have a complaint about any of the moderators, me included, then contact David Anderson. His email address can be found at the bottom of the moderation page.

On a personal note, the administrator title that I have is used to delete spammer posts. I cannot delete accounts, as I have no access to the BOINC user database. If you want your account(s) deleted, please email David.
4360) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't connect to BAM! account : UTF-8 error (Message 73067)
Posted 7 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Ask about it on the BAM forums. Other than that they use our name in their account manager and statistics site, we're not in any way affiliated with each other. So problems with the account manager are best asked at their own forums.
4361) Message boards : GPUs : Linux + AMD Mesa OpenCL: Can't get GPU detected (Message 73054)
Posted 7 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
him wrote:
me wrote:
Thu Oct 6 20:24:29 2016 | | [coproc] ATI: libaticalrt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


That shouldn't be a problem, it's the CAL library.

That could be it.
Juha wrote:
As far as I have understood, AMD has dropped support for CAL. Do they still include CAL libraries in their driver package?

They do have CAL still for Windows. I have Crimson 16.8.3 installed and have:
07/10/2016 16:58:34 |  | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
07/10/2016 16:58:34 |  | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 2117.9 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (2117.9), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)

I forgot that AMD dropped CAL support, and they probably don't have it in their Linux drivers. I was reading about the requirement for low level drivers as well, to get X working with hardware support, and that Mesa requires X with hardware support(?). Hence my question.
4362) Message boards : GPUs : Linux + AMD Mesa OpenCL: Can't get GPU detected (Message 73026)
Posted 6 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ageless wrote:
Doesn't it need at least working videocard drivers to work correctly, though?


Hmm, i don't see Rob (*) saying the video is working/not working, perhaps that does need to be confirmed.

I was asking as it looks like he doesn't have the regular videocard drivers installed, only Mesa.

Because BOINC reports:
Thu Oct 6 20:24:29 2016 | | [coproc] NVIDIA: libcuda.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Thu Oct 6 20:24:29 2016 | | [coproc] ATI: libaticalrt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
4363) Message boards : GPUs : Linux + AMD Mesa OpenCL: Can't get GPU detected (Message 73016)
Posted 6 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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Mesa does work, there are others who have it working.

Doesn't it need at least working videocard drivers to work correctly, though?
4364) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 73001)
Posted 6 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
a desert island

No water, but for all around it. No shade, but for under the water all around it. Don't think you can stay long on a desert island.

Either the damn thing is up and running and working properly or it isn't.

No, the server can be up & running, but that doesn't mean that the database is.
Compare it to your computer when you have problems with Windows. Your computer is up&running, but is it working properly when you can't get into Windows without it crashing?

Up&running and working properly aren't necessarily needed at the same time.
4365) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7.6.22 crashes other applications (Message 72997)
Posted 6 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
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This time only one application disappeared (Mozilla Thunderbird)

Let's first see if it actually crashed, or did something else.
Please check Mozilla's View Crash Reports on how to check for Thunderbird crashes.

Now, I repeat that BOINC in itself doesn't do much. This is very easily tested, by running BOINC but suspending all projects (thus suspending all work). Are other programs now still mysteriously disappearing?

BOINC can be used to burn in hardware though. Running work on CPU and/or GPU puts stress on the hardware, on the CPU, on the GPU, on the RAM, on the motherboard, on the fans.

Any instability - in whatever form, be it wrong drivers, a small break in the hardware, corrupt memory, heat due to dry thermal paste/use of wrong thermal paste/complete lack of thermal paste/inadequate cooling, corrupt (disk)drives, corrupt Windows - in these will show up in the form of blue screens of death, crashing applications, applications refusing to start up, slow starting applications, etc. etc.

As for Event Viewer, perhaps check Custom Views->Administrative Events.
When the window has populated, click the Source header and scroll all the way up. You'll probably start with some .NET errors, but after that are the Application errors. All that the Windows on that machine ever had.
4366) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7.6.22 crashes other applications (Message 72963)
Posted 5 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If there's nothing in the event viewer, the applications don't crash.
What's the antivirus package on these machines? Other anti-malware programs?
4367) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72944)
Posted 5 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
edit: forgot to say hello to everyone

Since you always forget that, why not add it into your signature? ;-)
4368) Message boards : Questions and problems : Hide BOINC GUI tray icon (Message 72912)
Posted 5 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, removing isn't necessary. Others may think the same thing, so it's good info.
4369) Message boards : Questions and problems : Hide BOINC GUI tray icon (Message 72905)
Posted 4 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
boinctray.exe is, despite the name, the idle detection program that BOINC uses to see if the computer is in use or not.

@HazukiRyo
The easiest way to run BOINC is to start the client. BOINC its main parts are twofold, the client (background program that does most everything) and the graphical user interface called BOINC Manager.

To start just BOINC:
Right-click on the desktop->New->Shortcut.
Location of the item, default at "C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" or "C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\boinc.exe", add the path including the quote marks. then add a space and --detach_console at the end of it. Like so:
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach_console

Click Next, name the shortcut (perhaps just BOINC?) and click Finish.

With this shortcut you can start the client, without the manager.
You can of course add this shortcut to the Start->All Programs->Startup folder to have it start at Windows logon, but an easier way is to use Task Scheduler for this.

Start->in search type 'task scheduler' (without quotes) and when it shows in the menu, click it. Wait for it to load, then click Task Scheduler Library, then over on the right Create Task...
Name it BOINC Startup.
Go to the Triggers tab, select Begin the task: At log on.
Leave it for "Any user". Click OK.
Click the Actions tab.
Action: Start a program.
Program/script, browse to boinc.exe in C:\Program Files\BOINC\ or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\
Add arguments (optional) --detach_console
Click OK.
Do check that here as well, the path to boinc.exe has the quote marks around them, or the link won't work. The quote marks are used because of the space between Program and Files.
Click OK again.

This task will next start up at logon of any user.
The --detach_console action will silently close the command line window that otherwise stays open. The user may see a flash of the window opening and closing, but as long as you tell them that's normal, it should be all right.
4370) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC does not start any longer (Message 72865)
Posted 3 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have most likely installed BOINC through Ubuntu's package manager.

This is gonna get confusing. Since when does BOINC through repository get installed in the home folder?

03-Oct-2016 15:24:39 [---] Data directory: /home/anonymous

Shouldn't that version use Data directory: /var/lib/boinc-client?
4371) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7.6.22 crashes other applications (Message 72863)
Posted 3 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows-7-Home ... updated to Windows 10 Home edition.

A lot of people have found that doing the update from Windows 7/8.1 to 10 made their system unstable. They fixed this by downloading the Windows 10 ISO/DVD and installing Windows 10 clean on their system. This will mean you'll have to reinstall all your programs, though.
2. ... laptop
3. ... laptop

The first one can be up to an i7 according to the Dell website. The second one is an i3. Laptops have a tendency to get hot, since everything is in an enclosed small flat surface case without adequate cooling options. And then you're using the CPU and the GPU. I'd look into good cooling first, like through a cooling pad. Or run only work on the GPU, or only on the CPU, see if that increases stability.

If these have also been upgraded to Windows 10, you're in a world of hurt.

uses both CPU and GPU.

When working with a GPU on Seti, doesn't matter if it's Nvidia, Intel or AMD GPU, make sure to leave one CPU core free (in BOINC set Use at most N% of the CPUs in your computing preferences, to one less than the total. Can easiest be set to 99%, since the value is an integer, 100% means use all, 99% means all minus one.

Freeing one CPU core will have it cater for the GPU and the system. This will increase stability. Free one core per GPU, so if you have two GPUs, free two cores.
Asus G550JK

Another laptop, the same advice as above.

I will try to remember to take a look in Event viewer when it occurs the next time and then update this.

Windows remembers all, you don't have to wait, but instead look now. Search->Event viewer->click on Event Viewer, wait for it to load, Windows Logs->Application, look for any errors and warnings of around those times. Post their fault and event ID(s) (all info from the general tab would be nice, you can select all with SHIFT+cursor keys, then CTRL+C to copy and paste in an answer window with CTRL+V).
4372) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC does not start any longer (Message 72845)
Posted 3 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well... that tells you that BOINC is already running. Which is probably why you won't perceive it as starting anymore when you try to start it (it can in normal circumstances only run once). Have you tried stopping and restarting it in your normal way? (Which I don't know what it is, as I am not a Linux guru, so in such case best wait for Agentb or Juha to pass by).


Another option would be to update BOINC, as 7.6.6 was a beta version of BOINC, at best. Have you checked for a newer version of BOINC through your package manager? And although it'll install to a different set of directories, it should be more up to date than 7.6.6.

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc shows 7.6.33 to be the latest. To see the difference between the repository installation and the Berkeley installer, read the user manual.
4373) Message boards : Questions and problems : ! Just updated to v. 7.6.22 w/ VBox - now have multiple problems ! (Message 72842)
Posted 3 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
...because it did not install in the same place

Well, uninstall and reinstall the correct version then and into the correct directory.

32bit must install to C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ under Windows 64bit.
64bit must install to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ under Windows 64bit.

You cannot install 64bit BOINC under Windows 32 bit, but you can install 32bit BOINC under Windows 64bit.

It can be confusing because BOINC remembers the previous install path of the previous BOINC it installed, and it doesn't fix the path if you e.g. go from 32bit to 64bit BOINC, it'll install the 64bit BOINC to the 32bit protected Program Files directory, and Windows will not allow 64bit programs to start from there.

If that isn't your problem, please explain better.
If you lost the data directory, it will probably still be in the old place, you may have inadvertently pointed the installer to the wrong directory, or something else went wrong during installation.

The default place for the data directory is a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\ but if you fill that path in into Windows Explorer and hit Enter, you will get there and see the contents if there are any there(*).

If you didn't get into the data directory now, you must've moved it elsewhere and need to do a search on your computer for client_state.xml, a file that's certainly in the data directory.

(*) The problem with that though is that a new install will put its data directory default there.Quickest way to check this is the right place is to check for the account_*.xml files of the various projects you've added to BOINC. If these are missing, you're in the wrong place.
4374) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC does not start any longer (Message 72841)
Posted 3 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you started BOINC from a terminal window from the boinc directory? Doing so will start a second copy of the client which is likely to be confused about where the boinc data directory lives and fail GPU detection.
4375) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7.6.22 crashes other applications (Message 72838)
Posted 3 Oct 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm running Boinc 7.6.22 in multiple machines. They are all Windows machines running Windows 7, 8.1 or 10.

We'll need a lot more information right here, if we're to figure this one out.
So could you please tell us a bit about the hardware? CPU make and model, amount of memory, brand and model of GPU, version of drivers, what kind of cooling you have for yiur CPUs and GPUs, how heavy the power supply units are, etc.

They all work on seti@home + some other projects, but I don't think that it is relevant here. In all the machines it happens that every now and then random other applications (than Boinc) just suddenly disappear, e.g. crash. The disappearing occurs in "bulks" i.e. multiple other applications disappear at the same time when it occurs. That behavior stops in all of the computers as soon as I uninstall Boinc so the behavior is clearly caused by Boinc.

BOINC by itself is just a managing program, it doesn't do anything by itself that puts pressure on things like the CPU, the GPU or the memory.

The heavy duty is done by the science applications of the various projects you run, so it is of enormous relevance here to know which projects you run, and on which hardware resource. E.g. Seti on CPU and Einstein on GPU, or vice versa. How many CPU cores you have left free in order to run GPU work. How the cooling is set for CPU and GPU, and are you measuring on the systems how hot they get? Have you ever cleaned these systems out, undone the dust-bunnies from their insides?

What does Windows Event Viewer say about the crashes of the programs? Which programs are you talking about, are they parts of Windows, or programs you installed? Games? Word processing? Video players? Backuup programs? How much memory do they use, how much CPU and GPU do they use?

And why not use the exclusive_app and exclusive_gpu_app options in cc_config.xml - options to stop crunching while you use such a program?

It's easy to point at BOINC and claim that it causes your problems, but the science programs running under BOINC use the hardware in different ways and in a more sustained way than other programs do, they'll add more heat, and find problems on unstable systems by crashing them or the programs that run on them. In other words, there's most probably something wrong with your systems already that makes that they cannot run at full blast for longer periods of time without having problems.
4376) Message boards : Projects : Find@Home non activity on my account after PC rebuild (Message 72765)
Posted 29 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check that you didn't use an account manager such as BAM or GridRepublic to add the projects, because if you did, you have to use the AM to remove the project.
4377) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot find CUDA (Message 72760)
Posted 28 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Update them? http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-cuda-7.5.30-driver.html
4378) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72712)
Posted 28 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
David doesn't know either what is going on, he'll see tomorrow morning when he goes in to work and let me know.
4379) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72693)
Posted 27 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy 18th Birthday, Google!
4380) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72671)
Posted 27 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quick everyone, post your stuff now, the project can go off any time now. Don't forget to make a CTRL+A, CTRL+C movement before you press Post Reply. :)
4381) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72669)
Posted 27 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
A little warning for all you who use Firefox or Chrome and have an SSD: these browsers write their save-state to disk every 10 seconds or less, to be able to restore all tabs in case of a crash. But this generates a data write stream of 10GB (Firefox) to 24GB (Chrome) of data per day, that can shorten the life-span of your SSD drive enormously (especially for older SSDs).

In the case of Firefox you can change this.
In the URL bar, type about:config and hit Enter.
Acknowledge that you want to go there.
Next, search for browser.sessionstore.interval, which is default set to 15000 milliseconds, or 15 seconds. You may want to increase this value, say to half an hour (1800000) or an hour (3600000). By setting the value to half an hour, one of the people who discovered this, got his data stream down to 2GB a day.

You can also turn off the Session Restore Manager (either in Firefox, or in Tab Mix Plus, or any other tab manager you use).

If you have an HDD, it isn't bad to change this value either. Your HDD has wear and tear as well.
4382) Message boards : Web interfaces : How can BOINC help me? (Message 72658)
Posted 26 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you're looking for hosting servers, BOINC cannot help you. We're not a hosting servers company, we're a managing program that allows users to easily step in on helping science doing calculations on their computers. Calculations to better mankind in chemistry, medicine, mathematics, physical science, etc.

By the way, the link you entered in your first post can be seen as spam, were it not that (luckily for you?) it doesn't work. Perhaps make sure it doesn't work at all, as then I may have no choice but to banish your account, as it goes against the rules, in particular No commercial advertisements.
4383) Message boards : GPUs : Error in coproc_info.xml file with AMD RX-480 (Message 72651)
Posted 26 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm... I just turned coproc_debug on and find the following in my BOINC log:
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.33 for windows_x86_64
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | Data directory: M:\ProgramData\BOINC
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | [coproc] launching child process at P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC\boinc.exe
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | [coproc] relative to directory M:\ProgramData\BOINC
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | [coproc] with data directory "M:\ProgramData\BOINC"
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 2117.9 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (2117.9), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | [coproc] No NVIDIA library found
26/09/2016 14:19:42 |  | [coproc] clGetDeviceInfo failed to get CL_DEVICE_SIMD_PER_COMPUTE_UNIT_AMD for device 0

That's with the Crimson 16.8.3 drivers on Windows 7.

Suspect that's something the drivers don't do then.
4384) Message boards : Web interfaces : Removal of inactive/spammer accounts. (Message 72650)
Posted 26 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/
Use the idle time on your computer (Windows, Mac, Linux, or Android) to cure diseases, study global warming, discover pulsars, and do many other types of scientific research. It's safe, secure, and easy.
4385) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trouble Since Windows Update With Virtual Box (Message 72640)
Posted 25 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to follow the checklist at Atlas: http://atlasathome.cern.ch/forum_thread.php?id=438
4386) Message boards : Questions and problems : Message from account manager: User not found or password wrong (Message 72636)
Posted 25 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not in any way or form affiliated with BOINCStats BAM, other than in name. It's something that they did to you. So best asked or searched for on their forums.

I did a search there and in general it seems to fix itself over time if you leave it alone (can take 10 days), or if you need a quick fix, remove the account manager and add it again. The latter is best done with BOINC set to No New Tasks per project, and after you ran all work to completion and reported it of course.
4387) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72632)
Posted 24 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
13 hours, 15 minutes. Still updating. Now waiting for the next batch of 14 plus 2 to come in and be installed.

Edit: 13 hours, 30 minutes. Two more then.
Edit2: Total time, 13 hours, 38 minutes.

Right-click context menu is still broken, so I still cannot use Tortoisegit to update the BOINC source code. :(

Edit3: One extremely positive point was that I didn't have to uninstall and reinstall my AMD videocard drivers. Whereas the previous CCC depended heavily on dotNet, Crimson does not. So Windows could easily install itself, and copy over the Crimson program and settings, without me being required to install some version of dotNet first.

Not that at the end of the day, after at least 25 reboots, that one extra reboot would've mattered. ;-)
4388) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72629)
Posted 24 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Part 2, downloading and installing 73 updates.
The initial 157 ones took an hour and a half to download. Really not normal on a 200Mbit connection. They took a further hour to install.
4389) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72621)
Posted 24 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
So... for the past 7 hours I have been reinstalling Windows 7. Doing a repair installation of Windows so it takes over all programs, files and settings (again).

After the install was complete - something that took 3 hours, 40 minutes - I went and followed the updates installation of http://www.infoworld.com/article/3105605/microsoft-windows/2-easy-steps-to-speed-up-windows-7-update-scans.html... but this is missing one giant update.

For if you have installed Windows 7 with SP1, there is an update for that that you need to install because otherwise the key update KB3172605 that fixes the hogging of the CPU core by Windows Update - as that's why it doesn't work, doesn't update anything at all, not even after waiting for hours - won't work. This required update is KB3020369. Neither Woody, nor the other site mentions this.

You would normally get this update in through Windows Update after you installed Windows with SP1, but that's problematic here as Windows Update doesn't work.

So, now at Windows Update, looking at 157 important and 77 optional updates. Gonna be fun! We count 7 hours, 7 minutes, let's continue!
4390) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I use MPI on a mobile grid BOINC? (Message 72618)
Posted 24 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think the OP has to explain what they mean with MPI.
4391) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72569)
Posted 20 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
So the purpose of this post is is to confirm my earlier post was #5076.

The forums don't count that way. And since you still neglect to link to it, a thing you may want to do next time around when you play games with people's moth-balled brains, we're not all following extreme humour, or following the ramblings of an (unevenly?) balanced Brit, so for that reason - yet! perhaps not that reason alone, there may be different other reasons that you may have, or anyone reading this thread really, but hold your word if you don't want to share, you may have secret reasons, or raisins, or graisins (look that up if you need to) - you may want to check the number again, as it was #72501. I, for me stand by my answer in #72052.

Can you still follow? :)
4392) Message boards : GPUs : Error in coproc_info.xml file with AMD RX-480 (Message 72568)
Posted 20 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
While researching an answer I gave someone in PM, I came across this post (this one) on the Ethereum Community forums where someone shows what I suspect is his clinfo output of his RX-480 and it's identical to that of Mike's here. Well, bar the memory readings. Same driver, though.
4393) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72563)
Posted 20 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
edit: if anyone needs me I will be outside beating myself up.

Got everything in hand, or do you need help with that? We have an excellent choice of whipping and beating materials, made from the best quality leather, steel, latex and rubber, concrete, cactus, and horse hair. Just ask and we shall deliver, and if need be in a discrete big box at no extra cost to you or our deliverer.
4394) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72561)
Posted 20 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
My question was not rhetoric question, so yes you have identified its purpose of nothing more than requiring a response.

Trouble is, there is no post #5076 in this thread. Not joking, https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8105#5076 will get you to the first post of the page you're on, depending on your preferences of course.

So either we're missing a number, or that post is in a different thread. If it's actually post #5076, it is quite an old one, one from the first or second year of these forums. I'm not sure we need to evacuate the forums for a post that old. :)

As for Seti: that's why I write my PMs in Notepad++ :)
4395) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Visually Monitoring Calculations (Message 72533)
Posted 17 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you looking at Simple View or Advanced View?
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Manager has an image showing how to get from one to the other.
4396) Message boards : Questions and problems : Which BOINC questions do you have that you can not get answered? (Message 72525)
Posted 17 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
SekeRob2 wrote:
So happened to stumble on a 225 as exit code

In what context?
Was it a Exit code -225, Exit code 225, Process exited with code 225, (Unknown error) - exit code -225 or (Unknown error) - exit code 225?

These would in theory all be possible and all with a different outcome.

Richard Haselgrove wrote:
... I'm sure that Jord will be explaining that 99% of the time 'Output file absent' simply means that the application crashed before it could create the file

There are still positions free on the writers team, care to join? ;-)
4397) Message boards : GPUs : Error in coproc_info.xml file with AMD RX-480 (Message 72524)
Posted 17 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If boinc is making a (no longer) or unsupported call then then that needs fixing.

It's a normal function of OpenCL, backward compatible all the way to the earliest versions. It's also something that's required for the correct function of OpenCL, so it should just be there.

I'm wondering if the card isn't just warped.
Global memory size: 6963351552
6963351552 / 1024 = 6800148 /1024 = 6640.77 / 1024 = 6.49 GB memory.

By comparison, the value for my HD7870 - 2GB is 2147483648 which when calculated comes out at exactly 2GB, so do you have an RX-480 - 6.49GB?
4398) Message boards : GPUs : Error in coproc_info.xml file with AMD RX-480 (Message 72518)
Posted 17 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stay tuned to ubuntu-1604-lts-deprecating-amds-fglrx-catalyst

I'd rather not go to those forums ever again in my life if I can help it. No matter what the information is that can only be found there.

In fact if you dig around you'll see this SIMD error has been around a while. See my Edit link earlier.

I had seen that error and thread before I posted in this thread. Before you find it again as well, I have also seen that the actual error is done by the client, it comes from gpu_opencl.cpp line 907 and further.

The code is reading this directly from the drivers.

My earlier comment on no parallellisation being capable was sourced directly from the GCN Architecture Whitepapers:
In GCN, each CU includes 4 separate SIMD units for vector processing. Each of these SIMD units simultaneously executes a single operation across 16 work items, but each can be working on a separate wavefront. This places emphasis on finding many wavefronts to be processed in parallel, rather than relying on the compiler to find independent operations within a single wavefront.
(Page 3, above the Figure 2 image)

Could this be a BOINC bug? Possibly, but then again it does catch it in its code if it cannot read from the drivers.
So, wouldn't this then be a bug in the drivers? In my opinion, more likely.
You don't completely remove support for hardware from an operating system to then without any problems whatsoever fix that again by adding drivers back.

But you ought to be able to 'simply' test it: install a previous Ubuntu, with its drivers still intact... does that also throw that warning? If that one does as well, we have some basis to work with.

And then we can go figure out if it's hardware or BOINC.

Now on the other hand, if you feel there are no further problems, it's not throwing errors, it's just showing a low max clock frequency (also something that comes from the drivers) and this warning about the SIMD, is there something that needs fixing?
4399) Message boards : BOINC client : TO BE REMOVED (Message 72516)
Posted 17 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why do you need this thread removed? Why have you renamed its title? What is so secretive about it?

I'm sorry, but I do not understand. If we're to remove everyone's thread after they're done with it, and they've been answered, there's not much use of this being a forum. We could as well install Snapchat and have everything be visible for only a minute.

So sorry, but I am not going to play ball. If I allow your thread to be handled this way and others see that, they will want their threads handled that way. And for what? Being unhelpful for others with the same question, but who do search?
4400) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72502)
Posted 16 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is the point of any post in this thread? Indeed, what is the point of the Internet? Of life? Of us?

Night all. :-)
4401) Message boards : BOINC client : macOS Sierra not telling BOINC client about idleness (Message 72499)
Posted 16 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to make sure you have things set according to your preferences...
When you check in BOINC Manager, View, Advanced view, Activity, your CPU and GPU settings are set to 'run based on preferences'?

You have your preferences also set to only do work when the computer is idle, and done so in the correct venue, or in BOINC Manager's local preferences?
4402) Message boards : GPUs : Error in coproc_info.xml file with AMD RX-480 (Message 72497)
Posted 16 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ubuntu 16.04LTS and amdgpu-pro-driver-16.30.3

I wonder if that combination there isn't just the problem. Or is all this no longer true all of a sudden?
4403) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72496)
Posted 16 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nah, having rewritten things several times now, and never finding all the right words, I think I give up. Just walking out without saying something again, might be better. I've written it out of my system, that's given me peace. It's clear to me they don't want my help in testing, so I step out and walk away.
4404) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72486)
Posted 16 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm writing one last answer to go on there, then it's over and done for me.
I've removed drafts 1 through 5 already. They're getting shorter all the time. :)
4405) Message boards : GPUs : Error in coproc_info.xml file with AMD RX-480 (Message 72483)
Posted 15 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looking at the coproc_info.xml file and i spied a warning

You should get the same warning when you have the coproc_debug flag enabled. If I read what it does right, your GPU shouldn't even be able to do OpenCL at this moment, because the SIMD on the compute units takes care of the parallellisation of the work.

Driver problem?
Hardware error?

To be complete, what OS and driver combo is this with?
Can you run work with it? Do you have more errors than feels normal?
4406) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72477)
Posted 15 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wasn't meant to be a rant. Took me over 4 hours to write that post, with a lot of changes and rewrites. But it did in the end come from the heart.
4407) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72468)
Posted 14 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
IE refused to load the site at the time as well, so it wasn't a thing Firefox did, but something the people there had done. It's back now.
4408) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72466)
Posted 14 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It must be a sign... trying to post another round of bugs at the Einstein forums when everything drops off the face of the earth and the only reaction I now have in Firefox is:
An error occurred during a connection to einsteinathome.org. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG

* The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
* Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.


An error occurred during a connection to einstein.phys.uwm.edu. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
4409) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72454)
Posted 13 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
86 Celsius? You on Mercury?
4410) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72446)
Posted 13 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great weather! Let's lock the Cafe and open the patio, to try out the solar BBQ.

4411) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Can't create HTTP response output file" with World Community Grid (Message 72442)
Posted 12 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I have been doing some searches. This error seems to happen when:
- the application mentioned is being actively scanned and blocked by anti virus. The AV may have flagged a warning as well, or is waiting for a response from the user about what to do with this file.
- there are permission problems after the BOINC Data directory was moved to another place and BOINC wasn't reinstalled to fix the permissions on the folder.
4412) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't add projects (Message 72417)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And you haven't made an account at any of those projects before?
In that case, did you make a team through the BOINC Wide Teams page? For if so, that team is being imported at all the projects and by doing so an account is being for you with the email address you registered at the BWT site.

But else, go to any of these projects and go to "Your account", when asked to log in, click the "forgot email address?" link and fill in your email address on the next page, click OK and if the email address is known by the project it will tell you that it sent an email to that address.

Then just wait for the login link to enter your email. Check the spam folder if it doesn't enter in your inbox.
4413) Message boards : GPUs : Virtualy 2 GPU found but only one GPU be (Message 72415)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please run GPU CAPS Viewer or SIV to make sure you do only have one GPU on the AMD board, because Sapphire sells Dual R9 270X 2GB boards.

You can also run CLInfo.exe (get CLInfo.zip from here, unpack it into a temp directory and run it from a command line)

E.g. you have unpacked it to C:\CLInfo
cd\clinfo {enter}
clinfo.exe >> clinfo.txt {enter}

The second command runs all output into that text file.
After this open clinfo.txt with Notepad and post all contents in an answer here.
4414) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72412)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
4415) Message boards : GPUs : Virtualy 2 GPU found but only one GPU be (Message 72411)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC won't detect anything that isn't there. You say yourself, you remove the drivers and they get reinstalled, so that means something is there.

A built-in GPU on the motherboard, perhaps?
It's possible you have a dual AMD GPU on one card in there. I'd say, open up the case and do a count of the cards in there.

Or run something like GPU Caps Viewer or SIV to see what's in there.
4416) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72409)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm getting complaints again about the content of this thread. Please all, behave.
4417) Message boards : Questions and problems : Which BOINC questions do you have that you can not get answered? (Message 72408)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did have a longer list of application errors

Well, to give an idea. The old FAQs had 28 error codes all together, the new FAQs sport already 80. Not all with an explanation yet, but that'll come.

But I thought you might also be giving advice about what errors might be cured (or, for that matter, caused) by running a later client - when, in this case, it eventually emerges from Alpha testing.

In the case of science applications this depends on the project, I think. Because while it's very possible the new client kills the occurrence of the error at one project, it doesn't necessarily kill it at all. The trouble here that I saw in the past is even that an explanation for one project of this error doesn't necessarily mean the same for a next project.

But in my searches I also come across completely new errors like Process exited with code 1282 (0x502) and (Unknown error) - exit code -529697949 (0xe06d7363). I think both were at Gridcoin.
4418) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows Server 2012R2 with HPC-Pack which is NOT a DC to use with BOINC 7.6.22 (Message 72406)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as it's allowed to make local accounts on that server, it should run. If it's only allowed to make global accounts, that's where the problems arise, because the BOINC Service installation makes local limited user accounts for BOINC. Without those accounts, BOINC cannot run as a service.
4419) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Can't create HTTP response output file" with World Community Grid (Message 72404)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
All communication between the BOINC client and World Community Grid and vice versa is HTTPS. How did you add the project?
4420) Message boards : Questions and problems : Which BOINC questions do you have that you can not get answered? (Message 72386)
Posted 11 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
(unknown error) - exit code -1073740940 (0xc0000374)
(Unknown error) - exit code -1073741205 (0xc000026b)
(Unknown error) - exit code -1073741676 (0xc0000094)
(Unknown error) - exit code -1073741788 (0xc0000024)

These aren't Windows errors, they're application errors. These may run in Windows, Linux or whatever, but when they give the error, they're thrown by the application.

With Windows errors I meant the BSOD information. No need for those.
And the same for their counterparts in Linux and OS X.

The one which started us off, 0xc000026b, should be less of a problem in the future: BOINC client v7.6.33 and later contains a bugfix to treat this as a recoverable temporary exit, rather than a hard error.

Not everyone runs the latest client, be it by choice or because their OS/hardware can't do it. So even errors that would have been eradicated in later clients still have a place in this FAQ.

I have material comprising BOINC 5, BOINC 6 and BOINC 7. If it were your FAQs, I suppose you'd do away with the earlier material, which is fine if you feel that way. I do not.
4421) Message boards : Questions and problems : Which BOINC questions do you have that you can not get answered? (Message 72372)
Posted 10 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As some of you know I am doing a rewrite of the BOINC FAQs, and while I have work enough to do on then, I can use more and more material. I'm asking for your help on what errors you see, or unknown messages that you can't easily get answered.

I have amassed quite a bit of error messages already, but can always use more. So I'm looking at you. Gather your errors and dump them here. Preferably a direct copy & paste of the error, but if you feel the need to type them, that's all right. Make sure to look for typos though. Images are also welcome.

I don't mind if they're errors that BOINC throws or that you see on erred tasks, but please don't post Windows, Linux or OS X errors. I am not looking for those.

e.g.
Process exited with code 1 (0x1, -255)
Process exited with code 2 (0x2, -254)
Process exited with code 4 (0x4, -252)
Process exited with code 5 (0x5, -251)


or
(Unknown error) - exit code -198 (0xffffff3a)
(unknown error) - exit code -1073740940 (0xc0000374)
(Unknown error) - exit code -1073741205 (0xc000026b)
(Unknown error) - exit code -1073741676 (0xc0000094)
(Unknown error) - exit code -1073741788 (0xc0000024)


or
Cannot create a symbolic link in a registry key that already has subkeys or values. (0x3fc) - exit code 1020 (0x3fc)
Graphics are disabled due to configuration...
Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)


With thanks. :)
4422) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't add projects (Message 72343)
Posted 8 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you using the "New account" or "Yes, use existing user" option in the add project wizard? If you haven't tried "existing user", could you try that?
Also, which other projects were you trying on?
4423) Message boards : Questions and problems : BAM account manager / Project adding. (Message 72338)
Posted 8 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I had rewritten those pages just prior to the BOINC 7.6 public release. The devs had read them. No one complained. ;-)
4424) Message boards : Questions and problems : BAM account manager / Project adding. (Message 72336)
Posted 8 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm, noticed that was wrong in the wiki, changed! :)

But yes, the account manager is added separately, not through the add project wizard, but through the use account manager wizard:

4425) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72332)
Posted 8 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congrats all on Star Trek's 50th birthday. Today, Thursday September 8th, 1966 was the airing of TOS' first episode.
4426) Message boards : Projects : Please remove Constellation from BOINC (Message 72317)
Posted 7 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
We don't do anything with the projects in the Wiki anymore and at the moment it would take too much of my sparse time to go remove all of the projects from the user manual wikipedia pages, so I'll leave that for later.

I have forwarded the request to remove Constellation from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php (the official choose projects list) and the download wizard list. The latter will propagate automatically to all BOINC versions using that wizard.
4427) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU At 0.000% After Days (Message 72316)
Posted 7 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
9/5/2016 7:14:16 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU

This means that in the Seti Project preferences you have only got "Use CPU" checked, not "Use Nvidia GPU" as well, so it won't be used by BOINC for this project.

But then you have the next messages as well:
9/5/2016 2:18:44 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
9/5/2016 2:18:46 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
9/5/2016 2:18:46 PM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
9/5/2016 2:18:46 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home v7
9/5/2016 2:18:46 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
9/5/2016 2:18:46 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home v8
9/5/2016 2:18:46 PM | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

Seti allows for all computers to have at maximum 100 tasks in cache per hardware detail. This means 100 tasks per CPU, 100 tasks per GPU.
4428) Message boards : Questions and problems : Only the "strongest" GPU is being used (Message 72315)
Posted 7 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
...but BOINC doesn't use it.

Actually, when looking at the log, BOINC is using it. If it weren't you'd see a message on the least GPU Nvidia GPU # (not used) and that's not showing in your case.

What you don't show is whether there is more work in cache for the GPU(s), whether work is being asked for them. Not sure if this is still the case, but Milkyway allowed only for a small cache, and only after you've run the cache down can you ask for more work. It also uses double precision in the calculations, something the Nvidia GPUs aren't very strong in, meaning that a potential single precision 1305 GFLOPS is just 40.8 double precision GFLOPS on a 750 Ti (referencing value found on Nvidia GPU comparison, Geforce 700 series).

I'd wait for the next work request and if that doesn't fix things, to ask at the project first if this GPU is even supported. Or if they allow for BOINC to have different GPUs in one system.
4429) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Can't connect to BOINC client (Message 72292)
Posted 6 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps you must specify the port number.
BOINC.exe and BOINCMGR.exe require access to TCP port 31416 to be able to communicate with each other. Both talk to each other via local host, IP127.0.0.1

BOINC.exe requires separate Internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443.
4430) Message boards : GPUs : Another "No usable GPUs found" with an AMD HD 7750 on W7 (Message 72280)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did not make that clear. I was referring to the projects I was already running. But I will review that list anyway. Thx.

No, I understood your intention, but none of them have AMD GPU applications. Hence my pointing to the projects list. :)
4431) Message boards : GPUs : Another "No usable GPUs found" with an AMD HD 7750 on W7 (Message 72278)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I believe the only project that supports GPUs right now is ATLAS@home.

Not according to their applications list: http://atlasathome.cern.ch/apps.php
Best walk by http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php to see which projects do support ATI/AMD GPUs (this will also show in the Attach to Project wizard in BOINC Manager).

Does "CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7700/" the zero in bold refer to the device # or the # of GPUs?

The device number according to the hardware group they belong to, ATI/AMD, Nvidia or Intel:
If you have multiple ATI/AMD GPUs, they number up from device 0 to whatever.
If you have one Nvidia and one ATI/AMD they both number device 0.
If you have one Nvidia, one ATI/AMD and one Intel GPU, all number device 0.
4432) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows Server 2012R2 with HPC-Pack which is NOT a DC to use with BOINC 7.6.22 (Message 72277)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as you do not install BOINC as a service, it should run fine on a DC.
4433) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Starting and disconnecting BOINC Manager (Message 72268)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you now exit the client (through Windows Task Manager, select boinc.exe, End process, acknowledge)

I was just writing new FAQs for the BOINC FAQs and noticed an oversight I made here. This is the difficult way of exiting the client, there's a way easier one:

BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->File->Shut down connected client...->Acknowledge.
4434) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Starting and disconnecting BOINC Manager (Message 72266)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
2) Relationship between BOINC Manager and the BOINC Client
It's my observation, belief and certainty that it's entirely permissible to stop and then restart the BOINC Client without shutting BM down, just like with BoincTasks. But it would be really great to get some definitive confirmation that shutting the client down while leaving the Manager running is not going to cause any type of problem with the Client's integrity.

For completeness...

When you manually start the BOINC client from the command line (or shortcut), then start BOINC Manager, they'll connect. When you now exit the client (through Windows Task Manager, select boinc.exe, End process, acknowledge) the manager keeps running but is empty in all tabs.
When you then restart the client manually from the command line (or shortcut), it'll connect to the open BOINC Manager.

In days of old I think it used to be that when BOINC Manager started the client and the client dropped away for some reason, that the manager would automatically restart the client. Apparently not anymore. Perhaps in the case of an actual crash, or the case of the famous "The BOINC client has exited unexpectedly 3 times within the last 3 minutes" messages.
4435) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Starting and disconnecting BOINC Manager (Message 72264)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to make sure a next reader understands, you can start the client manually, but if you want to do so from the command line (a cmd.exe window) the --detach_console command is needed, else when you close the command line window, you exit the client.

So in that case, from the command line window do:
"C:/Program Files/BOINC/boinc.exe" --detach_console


Or in older cases:
"C:/Program Files/BOINC/boinc.exe" --detach


This starts the client and allows one to close the command line window without exiting the BOINC client. After that you can manually start BOINC Manager.

The quotes are around the initial command, because of the space between 'Program' and 'Files'.

PS: One can make a shortcut with the above command and place it on one's desktop. If at least you're using BOINC from that place, else you have to use your own directory's path.
4436) Message boards : GPUs : Another "No usable GPUs found" with an AMD HD 7750 on W7 (Message 72262)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
04-Sep-2016 15:59:07 [---] Config: don't use coprocessors

I'd strip that out of cc_config.xml before going any further.

Yup

05/09/2016 14:08:13 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.33 for windows_x86_64
05/09/2016 14:08:13 |  | Running under account Ageless
05/09/2016 14:08:16 |  | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
05/09/2016 14:08:16 |  | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 2117.9 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (2117.9), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)


05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | No usable GPUs found
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | Milkyway@Home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | Milkyway@Home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | SETI@home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | SETI@home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | SETI@home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | SETI@home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05/09/2016 14:09:35 | SETI@home | Application uses missing ATI GPU
05/09/2016 14:09:35 |  | Config: don't use coprocessors
4437) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Starting and disconnecting BOINC Manager (Message 72261)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thinking about it, why would you want to --detach the Manager?

As far as I know, the --detach command is used to close the command line window you used to start the executable with, without exiting the executable.

To avoid that confusion it's now --detach_console
4438) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU At 0.000% After Days (Message 72260)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

You're at the BOINC forums. Not at the forums of the project you run.
We don't have any information about any of your computers and cannot look that up either, as nothing about your computer is registered on our forums. Hence the request to always post which project you are talking about.

With project, we mean things like Einstein, Climateprediction.net, Yoyo@Home, Enigma@Home, Seti@Home, World Community Grid, etc.

If you use a GPU, best specify what it is - Nvidia, Intel, AMD/ATI - and whom you got its drivers from - through Windows, or downloaded and installed from the manufacturer's website?

It may be a bit of a read, but would really help us trying to help you: When requesting help on these forums..., that should give you some hints as to what information we look for.

And if in doubt, always post your BOINC start-up log. Open BOINC Manager and press CTRL+SHIFT+E simultaneously and the messages window pops open. Click the "Copy all" button and post that (CTRL+V) in an answer here.
4439) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Exclusive applications settings not working under Win10pro ? (Message 72221)
Posted 4 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc Manager->(Advanced view->)Activity menu->make sure your run options are set "based on preferences". Setting it to "run always" will do exactly that and ignore preferences.
4440) Message boards : Questions and problems : Alas, not suspending (Message 72206)
Posted 4 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc Manager->(Advanced view-)Activity menu->make sure your run options are set "based on preferences". Setting it to "run always" will do exactly that and ignore preferences.
4441) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 72200)
Posted 3 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jon Polito, 65, American actor (Miller's Crossing, The Rocketeer, Homicide: Life on the Street)
4442) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72153)
Posted 2 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
This (and the other) thread by its title is inviting those from that "stupid Cafe" to cause moderator stress and burn-out.

I came quite a ways since that time and know in 99% of the cases what to do. The other 1% I ask my fellow moderators for help, or to step in on.

But it's the second time within 24 hours that you've mentioned the roughness of modship. I'll give you a further 24 hours to think it over... :p

Edit: and damn, look at what y'all made me do, go through 11,000 posts unnoticed.
4443) Message boards : Questions and problems : Requesting help copying and rewriting BOINC FAQs to Wikipedia environment (Message 72146)
Posted 1 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go on then, whaddayathink?

It's the provisional logo. Expect a change in the future.

Apropos, for the moment I have enough people helping me out on the rewrite, but I am amassing a lot of new material. If you know of a place full of obscure error mentions that you never found a solution for, do let me know and I'll go look if I have them already. For comparisons, tonight I added 35 new errors. Only found what they meant for 7 so far... so fun! :)

I'll also allow people to post in this thread now. It's unlocked. Don't spam!
4444) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72145)
Posted 1 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Especially for all you Star Trek TNG fans: Star Trek’s Dr. Crusher in Sexy New Video.
4445) Message boards : GPUs : Difficulty with seti@home GPU usage on ubuntu 16.04 LTS under BOINC 7.6.31 (x64) (Message 72126)
Posted 1 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where can I find more information about "Application Details for host 7321608"?

When you log in on the Seti website, go to Your Account, look for the entry Computers on this account and click the View link.

You'll get on a personalized version of this page, where you can click on the Details link of your computer, or the Tasks it lists. It's how we gathered our information about your system.
4446) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72112)
Posted 1 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The way I see it - and that's my whole personal opinion as Jord, not as a moderator - is that you instigated it. Yesterday you posted your snippet about forums versus Twitter/Facebook, everyone who had a different opinion about it posted something about that then. Today you come back posting this bit, and really, if I would want to go check a fact or two, I'd also check on the same name you have here and that you post with over there.

And perhaps post my opinion about that. Am I then attacking you? Because you prefer to leave information out?
I haven't read everything all of you wrote, and as ever, I am not going to do so either. Bits and pieces of your posts is what I pick up on, not all.

10 years ago around this time I was hyper-stressed, moderting only the stupid Cafe at Seti. Wishing that that forum would be closed, so that I could go back to what I prefer to do, help people. Which ended in me giving up the moderator account there and posting in Q&A only. I haven't returned to the Cafe ever, since. You can check that.

Now, I am not going to close The Lounge here, or any of these threads. But I am also not going to put myself in the middle of the fights you all want to have between yourselves. You start them, you figure a way out of them. Or else, the next time you post something, think for a minute or 5 before clicking "Post reply", re-read what you've written and if you want to get a post in reply to yourself written in that way. And if not, rewrite, or perhaps shrug and delete.

You wouldn't want to know how many posts I have deleted before I clicked the actual "Post reply" button. Just because I needed to get things off my chest, out of my system, but I didn't need the additional negative energy that the post would create. Although I've also done plenty of posts where I post and never return to the thread. Wish I could do that here.

So, putting my moderator hat back on, have fun. But please, if you do want to post extremely volatile stuff like you do, then also lovingly embrace the consequences, answers and flak you're going to get.
4447) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72109)
Posted 1 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
... No, never mind. Not here to babysit.
4448) Message boards : GPUs : Difficulty with seti@home GPU usage on ubuntu 16.04 LTS under BOINC 7.6.31 (x64) (Message 72107)
Posted 1 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bill Roberts wrote:
...that use an extraordinary amount of GPU cycles, enough to noticeably show down response to the mouse, keyboard, running applications, display and Internet activity.

Bill Roberts wrote:
I don't recall this being an issue in the more distant past.

Since day one of GPU computing we at BOINC have warned that this will slow down screen draws, mouse movements, keyboard use and possibly other things as well, and on damaged hardware can show artifacts being drawn on the screen. That's because you're putting a lot of strain on the system, more than you would by just using the CPU. And where the CPU can be throttled into using part of the cores, and even then perhaps half of one, with GPU computing this is still a pipe-dream. The GPU can only be used fully (on) or not (off).

The primary use for a GPU is to draw everything on screen, add to that that it then has to do intricate calculations on its shader cores and that will amount to extra heat and slowness of things people want to do on their computer. Which is why from the beginning of GPU computing the default option has been to only use the GPU when the system is idle.

Now, on to the situation at Seti. A peek at the Seti@Home applications teaches us a couple of things:
1. The previous Seti@Home v7 did not have a CUDA application for Nvidia under Linux, only an OpenCL application.
2. Astropulse v7 has got OpenCL applications for Nvidia under Linux, but no CUDA applications.
3. The present Seti@Home v8 has got one CUDA 6.0 application and two OpenCL applications for Nvidia under Linux.
4. Your Nvidia Geforce 8500 GT is rated for a maximum of CUDA 1.3, but has OpenCL 1.0 capability.

With 4. in mind, what does that mean? Well, you may be able to install CUDA 6.0 drivers, but not use CUDA 6.0. The same way as you can at maximum use DirectX 10, but install an operating system with DirectX 11 or 12. The GPU will still only use at max Dx10, so same way here, you install CUDA 6.0 drivers, but the GPU can't do any better than 1.3, it cannot add instructions to its hardware that the newer CUDA versions can do. You need newer hardware that's CUDA 6 compliant for that, which is the Pascal range, Nvidia Titan, GTX 1060-1080 territory.

Seti only has a CUDA6.0 application which it will send to all Nvidia GPUs, whether they can use it or not. I still find that a very strange method, as it would be more prudent to actually check the plan_classes and see if your GPU fits one. In this case it doesn't, and if it doesn't to then send the plain OpenCL application your way as that will always work, as ALL Nvidia GPUs from the first one capable of doing these calculations, have OpenCL 1.0 on board.

What I'd do if I were you, and you want to continue to run work on the GPU when the computer is in use, is to go over to the Seti forums, post in Number Cruching and ask for help on how to set up your system so it runs with the Nvidia OpenCL application and not CUDA 6.0
Whether or not that is done through anonymous platform, or perhaps that it's possible to nudge everything in the right direction is something I cannot answer, but they can.

One thing though, when people ask questions, do them a favour and be so kind to answer. At Seti, best not start off like you did here that you don't want answers towards new and inexperienced users. You've had several people in this thread trying to help, asking a couple of things. We have had no answers on any of the questions, some of us were even rudely told to buzz off because you know what you're doing, when evidently you do not. You're the one asking us for help on an issue you have, so telling people you know better... I can tell you if you keep that up, people will just drop interest and continue with what they were doing before you crossed their paths, while you stay behind and won't be helped.

Or else, just turn your preferences back to "Suspend GPU computing when computer is in use".

Good luck on your further endeavours.
4449) Message boards : GPUs : GPU not detected by Boinc (probably due to installing as service) (Message 72076)
Posted 1 Sep 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you want to look at is the Event Log, either from Tools->Event Log, or by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+E simultaneously.

You can copy that log to a post here as well. Even select only certain lines, while holding down SHIFT or CTRL and selecting lines, then clicking "Copy selected" and pasting (CTRL+V) that in a post window here.

For all you know, BOINC has detected the GPU, but you didn't tell the project you chose to run to use that GPU. (Done through project preferences, not BOINC or computing preferences).
4450) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 72069)
Posted 31 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Last night I tried the update function of the AMD Radeon Settings window, meaning I updated the Crimson drivers without me uninstalling anything and having to reboot 3 times.

Worked surprisingly well.
The only thing it installed that wrecked my Windows immediately was AMD's Gaming Evolved app - Raptr - that kept on crashing my Windows Explorer until I uninstalled it. And I can tell you that uninstalling something while your Windows Explorer is crashing, restarting, crashing, restarting etc. is fun! Not.

But I managed to find a window of no crashes and since Raptr is gone, no more crashes.
4451) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Bionic is not running" (Message 72062)
Posted 31 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is the managing program through which you can run the calculation programs of the different projects, Seti, Einstein, Primegrid, World Community Grid, Climate Predction dot Net, etc. Some of these projects - but not all - have graphics programs that can be seen in the screen saver.

BOINC in itself isn't a screen saver, although it can act as one. But only when the main program is running and actual work is being calculated by the project's science applications.

When you get the message from the screen saver that BOINC isn't running, it'll be because BOINC isn't running. Simple as that. So next time you see that message, go Start->(All Programs->)BOINC->BOINC Manager to start the program.
If you have work, calculations will start and graphics may show.

Not all Seti applications come with the graphics program. Calculations done on the GPU (Intel, AMD, Nvidia) do not have a Seti graphics application and thus will not show their normal graphics. In this case BOINC will show its own screen saver graphics.
4452) Message boards : Questions and problems : My boinc account doesn't seem to exist? (Message 72042)
Posted 31 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is just a managing program, you don't need an account for it. You do need accounts for the projects you add, one account per project.

BOINC is fully independent from any of the projects you can add to it, including Seti@Home. The only common thing that they have is that they both run from the server co-location of the Berkeley University.

As to what happened on your machine with your BOINC, you're the best person to investigate as you have all the log files. Go to the BOINC data directory, that being either your home directory/BOINC for Berkeley's BOINC version, or var/lib/boinc-client/ for Ubuntu's repository's version and open stdoutdae.txt with a simple text editor.

You'll either be looking at the last lines of the log to see what happened, or the first, depending on how the log's built up.

You shouldn't need a new account for Seti, if it's a thing of simply re-adding the existing account, you best wait until Seti's done with their maintenance. Instead of them having done it on their normal Tuesday they moved it to today, so everything is down for the next several hours.
4453) Message boards : GPUs : Difficulty with seti@home GPU usage on ubuntu 16.04 LTS under BOINC 7.6.31 (x64) (Message 72013)
Posted 31 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I could be wrong, but I don't think one can run CUDA60 (6.0) on a GeForce 8500 GT (511MB).
4454) Message boards : GPUs : Difficulty with seti@home GPU usage on ubuntu 16.04 LTS under BOINC 7.6.31 (x64) (Message 72011)
Posted 30 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whose BOINC? Berkeley's, or the one from Ubuntu?

1. It can take a little while for BOINC Manager to populate all settings correctly. So wait a minute, especially when large swats of data have to be read from a slow hard drive.

2. Just setting "use preferences" won't do magic if you didn't set any preferences to follow. So if you don't set (the default) "Suspend GPU computing when computer is in use", you can't expect BOINC to do anything other than give it full blast on that GPU. Same goes for other "suspend when..." and "use at most..." settings.
4455) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71957)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lies!
To create a new thread in News you must have a certain level of average credit. This is to protect against abuse of the system.
4456) Message boards : The Lounge : "seti" signal (Message 71956)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Eric Korpela:

Dr. Korpela wrote:
I'm sure that many of you have seen the news reports of a "SETI signal" detected from the star HD 164595

I was one of the many people who received the the email with the subject "Candidate SETI SIGNAL DETECTED by Russians from star HD 164595 by virtue of RATAN-600 radio telescope." Since the email did come from known SETI researchers, I looked over the presentation. I was unimpressed. In one out of 39 scans that passed over star showed a signal at about 4.5 times the mean noise power with a profile somewhat like the beam profile. Of course SETI@home has seen millions of potential signals with similar characteristics, but it takes more than that to make a good candidate. Multiple detections are a minimum criterion.

Because the receivers used were making broad band measurements, there's really nothing about this "signal" that would distinguish it from a natural radio transient (stellar flare, active galactic nucleus, microlensing of a background source, etc.) There's also nothing that could distinguish it from a satellite passing through the telescope field of view. All in all, it's relatively uninteresting from a SETI standpoint.

But, of course, it's been announced to the media. Reporters won't have the background to know it's not interesting. Because the media has it, and since this business runs on media, everyone will look at it. ATA is looking at it. I assume Breakthrough will look at it. Someone will look at it with Arecibo, and we'll be along for the ride. And I'll check the SETI@home database around that position. And we'll all find nothing. It's not our first time at this rodeo, so we know how it works.


and
Dr. Korpela wrote:
We believe a signal when


*It is persistent. It appears at the same spot in the sky in multiple observations.
*It only comes from one spot in the sky.
*If we reobserve the target, the signal is still there.

Things that add to believability

*Its frequency/period/delay does not correspond to known interference.
*Its Doppler Drift rate indicates that it is exactly frequency stable in the frame of the center of mass of the solar system
*Its properties (bandwidth, chirp rate, encoding) indicate intelligent origin.

Unfortunately the observing method used by the Russian team does not permit many of these things to be determine. 1. The signal was not persistent. 2. The signal was gone when the target was reobserved. 3. The signal frequency/period/delay cannot be determined. 4. The signal Doppler drift rate is unknown. 5. Many sources of interference, including satellites, are present in the observing band.
4457) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71955)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Damn, the Seti forums are slow. Was just looking into a thread I was helping someone with and when it takes several minutes to even load the index, there's something wrong.
4458) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 71953)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gene Wilder, 83, American actor (Young Frankenstein, Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory)
4459) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71913)
Posted 26 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When it doesn't have Tony run a circle around it, it's not real. ;-)
4460) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71888)
Posted 25 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something Windows 7 users will want to know:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3112358/microsoft-windows/windows-7-log-file-compression-bug-can-fill-up-your-hard-drive.html

I've had repeated instances where a Windows 7 x64 client runs out of hard drive space, and found that C:\Windows\TEMP is being consumed with hundreds of files with names following the pattern "cab_XXXX_X", generally 100 MB each, and these files are constantly generated until the system runs out of space. Upon removing the files & rebooting, the files start being generated again.

I've found that this is caused by large Component-Based Servicing logs. These are stored at C:\Windows\Logs\CBS. The current log file is named "cbs.log". When "cbs.log" reaches a certain size, a cleanup process renames the log to "CbsPersist_YYYYMMDDHHMMSS.log" and then attempts to compress it into a .cab file.

However, when the cbs.log reaches a size of 2 GB before that cleanup process compresses it, the file is too large to be handled by the makecab.exe utility. The log file is renamed to CbsPersist_date_time.log, but when the makecab process attempts to compress it the process fails (but only after consuming some 100 MB under \Windows\Temp). After this, the cleanup process runs repeatedly (approx every 20 minutes in my experience). The process fails every time, and also consumes a new ~ 100 MB in \Windows\Temp before dying. This is repeated until the system runs out of drive space.


To fix it:
There are incorrect solutions to the problem all over the web, but one approach does seem to end the madness. If your Windows 7 or 2008 R2 hard drive is getting overwhelmed by log files, here's what to do:

Step 1. Stop the Windows Modules Installer service. Click Start and in the Search box type

services.msc

Press Enter and you see the Local Services list.

Step 2. Scroll down to the Windows Modules Installer service and double-click on it.

Step 3. Under Service status, click Stop. Click OK.

Step 4. Use File Explorer to go to C:\Windows\Logs\CBS. (If Windows is installed on a different hard drive, you have to go to that drive.)

Step 5. Move or rename all of the files in that folder.

Step 6. For good measure, delete all the "cab*" files in your Windows Temp folder, typically C:\Windows\Temp. Makecab won't ever delete them, so you get to.

Step 7. Reboot.

When Windows comes back, the Windows Module Installer service will be running again, and makecab should stop choking on the oversized log file.

If you need the big CBS.log file -- unlikely but possible -- just use a text reader like Notepad to go into the renamed or moved file. If you aren't terribly interested in the log files, you can delete them.


edit: In my case, the Windows Module Installer service wasn't running, I didn't start it, just went to the C:\Windows\Logs\ directory and removed the *.log files there. One of them was over 2GB big which had caused over 12GB of those cab* files in my C:\Windows\Temp directory. All clean now.
4461) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71887)
Posted 25 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forget about Pokemon Go, here's the next upcoming trend: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/father-io-massive-multiplayer-laser-tag-app#/ (video may not play in Firefox, and half the site is blocked by my Kaspersky Labs AV ;))

Father.IO is the world's first real-life, massive multiplayer, first person shooter. Experience the adrenaline, tactics and strategies of gaming in your everyday life. Combining real time geo-localized strategy & first person shooter battles, Father.IO brings a virtual world into your backyard.

Also, for those of you melting in the hot European weather and no money for an airco, here's a "Homemade air conditioner DIY - Awesome Air Cooler! - EASY Instructions -... https://youtu.be/ITtlxjvLQis". :)
4462) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc-client - Android (Message 71885)
Posted 25 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I checked with X-plore File Manager while being super user (SuperSU) in root/data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc/client/ and see that gui_rpc_auth.cfg is there, all 32 bytes with its random 32 character password.

What you probably need though and isn't there, is the remote_hosts.cfg file. But I don't see why it cannot be added, as long as you have write capability to that directory. As far as I know, the actual client isn't that different from the one on Windows or Linux, so it should work fine with the remote_hosts.cfg file.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely
4463) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 71884)
Posted 25 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't have a problem, http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/ loads instantly.
4464) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC causes "device is not removable and cannot be ejected or unplugged." (Message 71883)
Posted 25 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem occurs as soon as I start BOINC Manager, well before any work units start running.

The BOINC client (thus not the BOINC Manager, which is the graphical interface allowing you to easily control the underlying client) does a couple of things on start up.

It checks among things what kind of CPU you have and what its capabilities are, then it checks for the availability of an nvcuda.dll, an aticalrt64.dll, amdcalrt64.dll, aticallrt.dll, or amdcallrt.dll and an OpenCL.dll file on your system.

When it's an Intel CPU, BOINC checks if it has an Intel coprocessor and if so what kind that is.
In the case of the availability of the NVCUDA file, it will check in that library what kind of GPU you have.
In the case of the ATI/AMD files, it will check in those libraries what kind of GPU you have.
When OpenCL is also found on the system, all OpenCL capable hardware is recognized.

BOINC will print all of what it finds in the event log.

All of the library files have been put onto your system by the videocard drivers. Any bug in those videocard drivers can crash the detection process BOINC does, or show other weird artifacts.

Using CUDA and OpenCL cannot be compared to using DirectX and OpenGL. Although it runs on the same hardware, the drivers are completely different, even the heat output can be completely different. So saying that because other GPU intensive applications can run things perfectly fine without the error cannot be compared to reading from a library file and polling the hardware what it says it is.

It's really not up to BOINC to go fix these problems, as they're caused by something that isn't internal in BOINC and therefore cannot be fixed by BOINC.

All systems with two or more GPUs will need TLC from their owner, if you want to use all of it without problems you'll have to spend some time on it to make it do what you want. When you want to use both an Nvidia and AMD GPU in one system, there are rules as to what driver you should install first, else it'll just not work, or not work correctly.

Many problems with BOINC detecting the GPUs is caused by drivers. Some drivers don't include the necessary components - any driver installed by Microsoft for instance may lack CUDA, CAL, OpenCL, OpenGL etc. because these are direct competitors to Microsoft's own DirectCompute and DirectX. (And as the Windows 10 Anniversary Update showed, they'll remove any trace of the competitors from system32 upon installation of Wind10 AU).

Yep, there are still bugs in BOINC, and there are probably still bugs in the detection system, but mostly for AMD GPUs because their naming convention is a little weird. When BOINC reads the info about an Nvidia card, it reads the info directly from the library and card. In the case of AMD, in the days of old, they had general group names, so you could have an old HD6850 and a new R7 that had the same name, but were completely different beasts. Luckily with OpenCL detection that got better.

Trouble with Nvidia is that they see OpenCL as a direct competitor to their own CUDA, so for a while they didn't develop it for their top branch. Meaning that you have a lot of pretty good GPUs out there that do just OpenCL 1.0 or OpenCL 1.2, while OpenCL itself is already at version 2.2

Anyway, I digress. I see you've put the same question at Github/BOINC, so wish you luck in getting it fixed. But in my opinion, that fixing is still something you have to do yourself, not BOINC.
4465) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not getting new Primegrid tasks (Message 71881)
Posted 25 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Primegrid tells you it has no tasks available for the applications you have chosen. It also tells it does have work for the Nvidia GPU, but you have chosen not to use it. The latter message can be because you don't have an Nvidia GPU, or in case you do, have set not to use it through preferences.

Suspending Seti will not auto-magically make Primegrid have tasks available for the applications you have chosen, but that they don't have work for.

So you will have to check at http://www.primegrid.com/ whether the applications you have chosen have work available, and check in the Primegrid project preferences http://www.primegrid.com/orig/prefs.php?subset=project whether you have chosen those applications.

If you're still confused, and/or do want to use your GPU but don't know if it's capable or not, please post the first 40 lines or thereabouts of your BOINC start up messages (CTRL+SHIFT+E on an open BOINC Manager).
4466) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC caused small catastrophe (Message 71880)
Posted 25 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The workaround here is to suspend GPU in BOINC and activate a Windows scheduled task that at the right time of day runs the command
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinccmd.exe --set_gpu_mode always 43200"
to restart GPU computation for a time.

"Always" in this case is akin to "Run Always", not "Run based on preferences". So this setting ignores any other preferences you have set, including the exclusive_gpu_app option you have set in cc_config.xml

Set it to "auto" to follow preferences.
4467) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71865)
Posted 24 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Weird reaction.

It's got nothing to do with the person Mark, but all to do with your unsubstantiated threat in his direction that he's going to be perma-banned here and at Seti when he continues in the way he does.

All I said is that we don't perma-ban regular people (*) here at the BOINC forums, that goes for you, for Mark, even for Gary Charpentier (opposing his self named new name), for everyone who isn't a commercial spammer.

Saying that doesn't mean I like or dislike Mark, or you, or anyone else on here any more or less than I did than prior to my statement.

(*) Edit: We did perma-ban one person from here who wasn't a spammer, but that was because he went berserk moments after I made him a moderator, and he went all-out against a project administrator. Is when Rom perma-banned him and his 15 new accounts.
4468) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71861)
Posted 24 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
One of these days you will get perma-banned from both here and Seti.

I can't speak for Seti, but can tell that that doesn't happen here. We only perma-ban spammers. I would appreciate it if you don't write things like that without asking around first if what you're about to say can be corroborated. Before we have people on other forums state this as the only truth.
4469) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC causes "device is not removable and cannot be ejected or unplugged." (Message 71859)
Posted 24 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC's handling of GPUs

All BOINC does is detect whether a GPU is there, and what its capabilities are. It doesn't do anything else, it doesn't strain them, it doesn't use them - well, other than for the built-in screen saver. All the using for calculations and straining is done by the project's science applications, so if there would be trouble here, it would be best to report that at the project.

But did you even look at the thread I linked to? Or did you just shrug it off, because you feel it isn't the solution to your problem, even when 10 people in the thread show the exact same error message, though with their different Nvidia GPUs?

How about the people at Toms Hardware, Reddit, or Nvidia themselves?

Quoting from that last page, dated February 3rd, 2016:
GeForce Hot Fix driver 361.82

This is an update to the recent GeForce 361.75 Game Ready drivers which fixes a bizarre sounding bug which allows a user to 'eject' Nvidia GPUs via the system tray. It is thought that the underlying reason that your GPUs may appear as removable devices is down to the recently implemented support for external graphics solutions over Thunderbolt 3.

Whether downloading and installing a 300MB file to fix this bug is worthwhile is questionable, as most users are unlikely to accidentally eject anything via the system tray icons. Also, it seems like if you do try and eject your GPU you get an error message saying "Problem ejecting Nvidia GeForce [model number]", explaining that the "device is not removable and cannot be ejected or unplugged".

The Nvidia hotfix driver is available for Windows 7, 8, and 10 in either 32-bit and 64-bit versions.


judging by the amount of posts and tutorials related to getting BOINC to actually use a GPU...

If you look at the threads in question, you'll see that in Linux it's problematic, not so much in OS X or Windows.

I really don't feel like going throught the trial & error of uninstalling and reinstalling multiple versions and combinations of drivers for 2 GPUs on a system that's working perfectly

Your system, your decision.
4470) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71852)
Posted 24 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me starts stopwatch.
4471) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC causes "device is not removable and cannot be ejected or unplugged." (Message 71845)
Posted 24 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
This looks to be an Nvidia bug. See for instance all the help and advice in this Geforce forums thread, with key advice being: "Keep in mind Laptops have 2 GPU's - their drivers have to work together, so you may have to find the right combination."
4472) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC set to not allow new tasks for a project doesn't obey (Message 71817)
Posted 23 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps if he has a full cache. That can be checked.
In any case, checking the logs for actual request for work + downloads of work while the command was set is another way.

Does WCG have a form of "resend lost tasks"? That could be another way why tasks download when NNT has been set.
4473) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC set to not allow new tasks for a project doesn't obey (Message 71814)
Posted 23 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you show messages (from Event Log, CTRL+SHIFT+E) where it shows that new tasks are asked for and downloaded? If no longer in Event Log, check through stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old in the data directory.
4474) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC set to not allow new tasks for a project doesn't obey (Message 71794)
Posted 22 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to make sure you have set the option correctly: when you open BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Projects tab and you select World Community Grid, what does the button say? "Allow new tasks" or "No new tasks"?
4475) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 71782)
Posted 22 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Arthur Hiller, 92, Canadian-born American film director (Love Story, The Hospital, The In-Laws)
Jack Riley, 80, American actor (The Bob Newhart Show, Rugrats, Spaceballs)
Lou Pearlman, 62, American record producer, music manager (Backstreet Boys, NSYNC)
Tom Searle, 28, British metalcore guitarist (Architects)
Matt Roberts, 38, American rock guitarist (3 Doors Down) and songwriter ("Kryptonite")
Brian Rix, 92, British actor (And the Same to You)
Jean-Baptiste Frédéric Isidor "Toots" Thielemans, 94, Belgian jazz guitarist, whistler and harmonica player (Man Bites Harmonica!, Bluesette)
4476) Message boards : Questions and problems : Display Save Energy mode not works with BOINC (Message 71722)
Posted 20 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When SETI@Home screensaver is running and the time to turns off the screen arrives, the monitor doesn't enter in energy save mode. When I uninstall BOINC, the screen enter in that mode without any problem, as usual.

The Seti screen saver is OpenGL, the default Windows screen savers are DirectX.

Microsoft has shown lack of backwards compatibility with a lot of programs, plus they seem to clean out -what they think shouldn't be used- library files in the system32 directory (reports are out there that after updating to the Anniversary Update for some people with Nvidia GPUs OpenCL ceased to work because Microsoft removed the opencl.dll from the system32 directory).

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if something like that happened here as well.
What you can try to do is reinstall your videocard drivers, the ones from the GPU manufacturer of course, just to make sure all components Microsoft doesn't want you to use are there: OpenCL, OpenGL, CUDA (in case of an Nvidia GPU).
4477) Message boards : Questions and problems : how do I get my GPU working? (Message 71708)
Posted 19 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.6.33 and latest Nvidia Firmware.

Firmware is something different from drivers. Firmware is what runs in the hardware of the GPU, drivers is what makes the GPU compatible with the operating system.

Seeing how CUDA works, just OpenCL not it may be a driver problem. It may also be that Windows 10 broke OpenCL. There's plenty in the latest update of Win10 that broke stuff out there.

It would appear that the anniversary update does indeed break OpenCL on Nvidia GPUs, just as it did with the November 2015 update. It deletes certain library files from the Windows\System32 directory. You may want to reinstall - clean install - your drivers to fix that.

Best OS ever. Yup.
4478) Message boards : Questions and problems : can run boinc from terminal, boinc-manager can't connect to localhost (Message 71641)
Posted 17 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
In case your distro's BOINC does not do BOINC as a daemon out of the box, you can see how to set that up at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Stop_or_start_BOINC_daemon_after_boot
4479) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71638)
Posted 17 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something they should bring back, although it never officially was something of the Olympics... just we wish it was: Duelling Pistol Shooting. :)
4480) Message boards : Questions and problems : can run boinc from terminal, boinc-manager can't connect to localhost (Message 71627)
Posted 17 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, if I open boinc manager while boinc is not running, it will not connect.

That's normal. Under Linux starting BOINC Manager does not auto-start the client. You always have to start the client first, then the manager.

That it connects to a running client is normally because packaged-by-the-OS-BOINC is set up to run as a daemon, so at some point during OS start, and when you then start the manager, it'll connect (if locally allowed through firewalls).

Open a terminal and enter ps aux | grep boinc to print a partial list of running processes. You should see boinc_client --daemon in that list. If you do not, the install went wrong and you'll have to reinstall.
4481) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computational Errors (Message 71626)
Posted 17 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I got an answer back from the developer of BOINC for the Mac:
Regarding Signal 5 due to "dyld: Symbol not found: ___bzero"

Apparently on OS 10.5.8, the bzero function was listed in the libraries with one leading underscore (_bzero) but in later versions of OS X with 2 underscores (__bzero). I suspect the applications have been built on newer versions of OS X, and so are looking for __bzero. If the application had been built on OS 10.5.8, it would be looking for _bzero. When I searched for "Symbol not found: ___bzero" (without the quotes) on Google, I found a number of people with the same problem running newer software (not just BOINC) on OS 10.5.8.

The solution would be to have two separate science applications, one geared for the older OS X, one for the newer, forced by plan_class. One using the _bzero function, the other using the __bzero function.

Always nice when the OS developer doesn't build in backward compatibility.
Anyway, it's not a BOINC problem, but a science application problem, and therefore it must be solved by the Seti developers. I've forwarded all info to them and will see what that brings.
4482) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Advanced View for MacOS (Message 71625)
Posted 17 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I managed to get an answer back from Charlie, the developer of BOINC for the Mac:

I don't understand this. On the Mac, there is always a menu bar at the top of the screen (not at the top of the window) and it has Advanced View in the View menu when in Simple View. This is basically the same as the menu bar at the top of the Simple View window in MS Windows. Likewise, when in Advanced View, the menu bar at the top of the screen is basically the same as the menu bar at the top of the Advanced View window in MS Windows.

The menu on the BOINC icon in the Dock is the same as the one under the BOINC icon in the top menu bar; it is basically the same as the menu in the task bar icon in MS Windows and does not have the Advanced View item.
4483) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computational Errors (Message 71620)
Posted 16 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Last night I fired off an email to the BOINC developer for the Mac with the question what could cause the error, I'm still waiting for an answer from him (he's working elsewhere these days and may even be on vacation).

Earlier I also sent an email to the developers of the science applications at Seti, and its administrator. A bit of information is coming back at the moment, but I want to wait for fuller answers first before answering completely. So please just hold on.
4484) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computational Errors (Message 71595)
Posted 16 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
<core_client_version>7.2.42</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
process got signal 5
</message>
<stderr_txt>
dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: ___bzero
  Referenced from: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/slots/0/../../projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/setiathome_8.03_i686-apple-darwin
  Expected in: /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib

dyld: Symbol not found: ___bzero
  Referenced from: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/slots/0/../../projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/setiathome_8.03_i686-apple-darwin
  Expected in: /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib


</stderr_txt>
]]>

Not very useful. Signal 5 means SIGTRAP: Trace trap (not reset when caught) , also not very useful. Perhaps a permission problem on that system?

@Mathiasthegreat2, can you reinstall BOINC please, so just to make sure the permissions are correctly set up?
4485) Message boards : Questions and problems : The BOINC screen saver is distorted - multiple monitors (Message 71587)
Posted 15 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most screen saver applications done by the projects are OpenGL 1.0, which cannot do multiple monitors. To be able to use those, OpenGL 2.0 compliancy is required.

So it's not a problem with your OS or your drivers, but with OpenGL's incapability to show on multiple monitors.

No, the projects won't release newer graphical applications, as it's quite costly to make these and since OpenGL 1.0 applications can be run on any newer hardware, it's not really needed either.
4486) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 71584)
Posted 15 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
July 2016
Helen Bailey, 51, British author (Electra Brown book series)
Fred Tomlinson, 88, British singer (The Two Ronnies, Monty Python's Flying Circus), composer ("The Lumberjack Song")
Garry Marshall, 81, American director, producer, writer and actor (Happy Days, Pretty Woman, Murphy Brown)
Shawshank tree, c. 180, North American white oak featured in The Shawshank Redemption
Joe Napolitano, 67, American television director (Quantum Leap, The X-Files) and assistant director (The Untouchables, Scarface)
Tom Clegg, 81, British television (Space: 1999, The Sweeney, Sharpe) and film director
Sandy Pearlman, 72, American record producer and band manager (Blue Öyster Cult, The Clash, Black Sabbath)
Jerry Doyle, 60, American talk show host and actor (Michael Garibaldi on Babylon 5), founder of EpicTimes
Ken Barrie, 83, British voice actor (Postman Pat) and singer
Vivean Gray, 92, British-born Australian actress (Neighbours, The Sullivans, Prisoner)

August 2016
Jonathan D. Krane, 65, American film producer (Face/Off, Look Who's Talking, Michael)
David Huddleston, 85, American actor (The Big Lebowski, Blazing Saddles, Santa Claus: The Movie)
Sagan Lewis, 63, American actress (St. Elsewhere, Homicide: Life on the Street)
Barry Jenner, 75, American actor (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Dallas, Family Matters)
David Enthoven, 72, British music manager (Robbie Williams, T. Rex, Roxy Music) and record label founder (E.G. Records)
Kenny Baker, 81, British actor (R2D2 on Star Wars, Time Bandits, Flash Gordon)
4487) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPID at BOINCstats changes whehn email address changes (Message 71582)
Posted 15 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Like what? User names aren't unique whereas email addresses are. There is nothing else that's unique when you register an account. You also have to consider security.

Also;
I lost most of my credits for about two weeks.

That's an untrue statement, because you got reunited with your credits in the end, they don't go lost.

Perhaps read on why the developers chose this format: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CrossProjectUserId
4488) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computational Errors (Message 71566)
Posted 15 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go to the computational preferences in your account of any of the projects, or if you use them in the local preferences, and uncheck Skip data verification for image files. Save changes to the website with the button at the bottom, and update the project through BOINC Manager.

Some ISPs recompress image data which then corrupts the image's checksum file, giving you all the download errors.
4489) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a way to delete notices once I read them (Message 71562)
Posted 15 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
News notices will be deleted after 30 days. All others will be removed once the problems they mention are solved.
You can go to the Options->Other options..., to set Notices reminder interval to Never.
4490) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computational Errors (Message 71561)
Posted 15 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
sah_banner_290.png is an image file, not a taskID.

Perhaps you can post part of your log (Command+shift+E) for us to see something around those errors?
You did allow BOINC through your firewall? (The BOINC binary needs internet connection on TCP ports 80 and 443)
4491) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computational Errors (Message 71558)
Posted 14 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And which project is that with?
Mind linking to one of the erroneous taskIDs?

(Computation errors are made by the project science application, not by BOINC. We can give help on this, but then need information about such tasks.)
4492) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with elaboration of SETI@Home v8 8.12 (opencl_nvidia_SoG) workunits (Message 71552)
Posted 14 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Problems with Seti's science applications are best reported in the Seti Number Crunching forum.
Instead of 'elaboration' use 'work' when describing it.

If you feel it's still a BOINC scheduling problem, thatg's possible when you have a lot of work in cache. Because BOINC tries to get all work in by their deadline, it'll run parts of tasks to see if it can finish them before their deadline, and when it finds it can, it part runs them before stopping to go to the next task. That's probably what you're seeing.

But report any problems with the SoG app at Seti, it's their app.
4493) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to install Boinc on Window Server 2012 r2 (Message 71519)
Posted 13 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't say which BOINC version you're trying to install, but since BOINC 7.6 it is possible again to install it on domain controllers, just as long as you install it as a user, not as a service. When installing as a service, the installer needs the specific BOINC user accounts. This is not the case when installing as a user.

So, start the installer, in the third screen click Advanced, uncheck "Service Install" and continue the installation.

Also see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes_for_BOINC_7.6#BOINC_7.6_now_compatible_with_Domain_Controllers.
4494) Message boards : Android : 7.4.51/7.4.53 on Nextbook tablet, Intel Atom x86_64, Android 5.0 (Message 71494)
Posted 11 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a Zenfone 2 with intel CPU as well same problem...

The same problem as what? With which version of BOINC?
4495) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71479)
Posted 11 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can trace the route all the way to muarae1.ssl.berkeley.edu, but am not sure that's the BOINC web server. I also see in IST Service Status that some of the backup servers are being replaced today, perhaps that they had to take down some surrounding stuff, just to be sure.
4496) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage (Message 71465)
Posted 11 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: Quadro NVS 290 (driver version 341.35, CUDA version 6.5, compute capability 1.1, 256MB, 192MB available, 44 GFLOPS peak)

This GPU isn't useful for that many projects due to the lack of memory on it.

You tried Seti on it, and it can't even run work on it:
8/9/2016 6:48:08 PM | SETI@home | task postponed 180.000000 sec: Cuda runtime, memory related failure, threadsafe temporary Exit


That GPU can possibly be used on Collatz Conjecture, Moo Wrapper and very possibly theSkyNet POGS.

You post the big log, but do you ever read any of it for clues?
4497) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Advanced View for MacOS (Message 71450)
Posted 11 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, found it: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Manager#Mac_OS_X

On Mac OS X, the Manager is represented by icons in both the menubar and the Dock.

Click on the icon in the menubar or control-click on the icon in the Dock and hold the button down until the menu appears.
4498) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Advanced View for MacOS (Message 71435)
Posted 10 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I am not mistaken, there is no menu bar for OS X, but are these options available from a drop down menu from one of the icons in the top left corner.
4499) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 71418)
Posted 10 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And please don't do that here

Excuse me? If Einstein is getting embarrassed at negative comments being made elsewhere, the solution is closer to home.

What Chris meant was, don't post the steps necessary to recreate the problem here, as the Einstein developers don't read this thread. Nor should they.
4500) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71416)
Posted 10 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mark, please restrain your Youtube links to your own thread.

Like you haven't when it suits you?

Yes Mark, you're right, we have all posted Youtube links in this thread, but not 27 in a row like you do. You're annoying and irritating others with this behaviour and causing them to leave. In the mean time you do as you please, spit in the moderators faces (I did read your post to Chris in the other thread) and just generally walk around like you own the place and therefore can do what you want. Which - unless you married yourself into David's family - isn't the case.

Which leaves me with little more choice than to kick your non-royal ass for another 14 days. Bye.
4501) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71393)
Posted 10 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mark, please restrain your Youtube links to your own thread.
4502) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Advanced View for MacOS (Message 71376)
Posted 9 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally Command+Shift+A.
4503) Message boards : GPUs : Dual SLI Nvidia 970 (Message 71310)
Posted 8 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:

8/8/2016 8:24:41 AM | | Running as a daemon (GPU computing disabled)
8/8/2016 8:24:41 AM | | Data directory: H:\boinc
8/8/2016 8:24:41 AM | | Running under account boinc_master
8/8/2016 8:24:41 AM | | No usable GPUs

There's your problem, you have BOINC installed as a service, which separates the drivers from the user account. Solution: uninstall BOINC through Uninstall a program, reinstall it, then in the installer, in the third screen click Advanced, uncheck "Service Install", click OK.
4504) Message boards : Questions and problems : Instructions utilized (Message 71293)
Posted 8 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is the managing program, it doesn't do any of the science calculations, that's solely done by the project's science applications. So no, BOINC itself does not have any use for CPU optimizations.
4505) Message boards : Questions and problems : Instructions utilized (Message 71289)
Posted 7 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC itself none.
Whichever extensions the project's science applications use is up to the projects and best asked at their individual forums.
4506) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 71282)
Posted 7 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Agentb wrote:
I'm trying to interpret this news you have, and it seems to me, nothing is going to change in the near future. Am I correct?

I don't know when David has time, I am not his secretary or able to look in his Filofax. So, when he says he'll do it at some point, he'll get to it. Are we in a hurry?

Agentb wrote:
I certainly would be interested in those reasons and what alternatives he sees.

David Anderson wrote:
I have no intention of using Drupal! At some point - if I ever have time - I'll change the BOINC code to use Bootstrap or some other CSS framework, to make it phone-friendly and more "modern-looking".

Bootstrap has a mechanism for laying out pages differently according to the size of the display. E.g. on a phone, instead of 3 columns it would stack things in 1 column.
4507) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 71281)
Posted 7 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
IMHO, they should have spent a lot more time doing a beta parallel site to work some of these things out and get additional comment and input before launch.

They have been testing it for neigh on 3 years at their Albert site, it having been open to the public for all those years.
4508) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 71273)
Posted 7 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When he has time.

OK, so the news is "nothing is going to happen"?

That is your interpretation, not mine. But then perhaps you're still thinking of David as a developer who is mainly busy with BOINC, being paid for that work and all. That's wrong.

Since BOINC went to the governance model, his paid job has changed and he's busy with that for most of his time, dividing the rest of his time between his family and friends and BOINC.

Perhaps that if you feel it's so quickly necessary to add something to the BOINC forum web code, that you do so yourself? That's the meaning of BOINC under a governance model, that the public with knowledge adds to the code wherever possible.

If your knowledge isn't so that you can add to the code, perhaps you know someone who can and can ask them?

On the other hand, seeing how a lot of these frameworks are in the news with major hacks, zero day intrusions and hasty quick updates, whereas the BOINC web code in its simpleness has none of those (thus far). Perhaps it's for the better not to hastily add a framework to enhance the mobile sensation, to then find that it's easier to hack the web site and take control over it, than it ever was under plain BOINC.
4509) Message boards : GPUs : Error 512: No usable GPUs found (Boinc 7.6.31) (Message 71265)
Posted 7 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
These drivers you installed, do they have any OpenCL component?
You may want to try https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/opencl-drivers#latest_linux_driver from Intel themselves.

Although I wonder if there are projects already that have applications that use the Intel GPU under Linux. And I also wonder if the GPU in the Celeron N2830 is even OpenCL compatible.
4510) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 71262)
Posted 6 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When he has time.
But even these pages look fine for me in the three browsers I have on my phone (Dolphin, Chrome and the default Android browser). So I'm not even sure why they would need additional code to make them work on mobile devices.
4511) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 71259)
Posted 6 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You mentioned you had news from David about Drupal here, is that something you might share, or perhaps David might share his opinion?

Jord at the other thread wrote:
But at least I have the news that David is never going to go with Drupal, and that if he's going to add support for mobile devices that it's code for Bootstrap or some other CSS framework. Of course, someone could just build a BOINC forums app. ;-)
4512) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71254)
Posted 6 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those of you who always wanted to drive a Mars Rover, a simple game for Curiosity's 4th birthday. It played its own birthday song, on Mars of course.
4513) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71253)
Posted 6 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here you go, a new thread to post Einstein comments in.
4514) Message boards : The Lounge : The Einstein & BOINC forums make-over discussion (Message 71252)
Posted 6 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, post your comments about the new Einstein Drupal mess in this thread.
(Original thread name "Has Einstein bitten off more than it can chew?"

A discussion thread about the new Einstein forums. Do you like them, don't you like them? Do you feel it's a step forwards or back? Let's keep the discussion civil, anyone's opinion about them is valid. We're not trying to get everyone to see how anyone else sees the forums.

I wrote about them:
When those forums were in testing, I requested that they add who started a thread to the forum index. But that wasn't interesting. That I use it for things as not going into threads started by people I don't want to read anything from, was beyond them.

You can also see that Drupal is specifically for mobile stuff, because on a computer screen it looks crap, as you have everything in the middle, and then two big white bars left and right. I hope no one is following their example.

Of course, being a Member since: 1 January 1970 is nice and all... but really, going to your account and then changing preferences has never been made so frickin' difficult as in here.
Edit: try changing your signature... the text is white and a white background. Why can it never be that when they roll out crap like this that it's been tested to the bone?
Edit2: and you can't really do anything. Hate someone, want to put them on ignore? Not an option.
Want to rearrange the forums so all those stickies aren't at the top? Not an option.
Edit3: ....just look under the "Post new comment" section, couldn't they put that under a link to a new page? It's the "Help, how do I post crap" section. Now a three post thread becomes huge because of all the scrolling.


And I also said, "Oh, by the way, I have done my part and left their forums for good for now. If they feel that Albert is no longer needed for the alpha test of their software, but it can easily move in its broken form to the main site, that's up to them. I'm not going to be helping to test any further and provide material they don't want to fix or add anyway."
4515) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71225)
Posted 5 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's Drupal's design that's so bad. It fills out on my phone when held vertically, but there the text is so small it's illegible, plus the blue links text on the light grey background make for strained eyes. When the phone's held horizontally, plong, also the two white bars on the side.

I'm going to stay far far away from their site from now on. Posted my comments, expect nothing of them.

But at least I have the news that David is never going to go with Drupal, and that if he's going to add support for mobile devices that it's code for Bootstrap or some other CSS framework. Of course, someone could just build a BOINC forums app. ;-)
4516) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71222)
Posted 5 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When those forums were in testing, I requested that they add who started a thread to the forum index. But that wasn't interesting. That I use it for things as not going into threads started by people I don't want to read anything from, was beyond them.

You can also see that Drupal is specifically for mobile stuff, because on a computer screen it looks crap, as you have everything in the middle, and then two big white bars left and right. I hope no one is following their example.

Of course, being a Member since: 1 January 1970 is nice and all... but really, going to your account and then changing preferences has never been made so frickin' difficult as in here.
Edit: try changing your signature... the text is white and a white background. Why can it never be that when they roll out crap like this that it's been tested to the bone?
Edit2: and you can't really do anything. Hate someone, want to put them on ignore? Not an option.
Want to rearrange the forums so all those stickies aren't at the top? Not an option.
Edit3: ....just look under the "Post new comment" section, couldn't they put that under a link to a new page? It's the "Help, how do I post crap" section. Now a three post thread becomes huge because of all the scrolling.
4517) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trouble with update_versions (Message 71139)
Posted 2 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say you named the binary multithread.exe but the output says it expects multi_thread, with an underscore in the name. Could it be something simple like that?
4518) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Disable BOINC Manager system tray (Message 71128)
Posted 1 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
How else will you recognize that BOINC Manager (BM) is running when it doesn't have an icon? In all of the operating systems it'll put the icon in the system tray, you can then just click the red-x for it to minimize to there.

As far as I know, the only way to not have the BM icon show up is to just not run BM. You can also use the BOINCcmd tool from terminal to command and control BOINC. This tool doesn't leave an icon anywhere.
4519) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Disable BOINC Manager system tray (Message 71126)
Posted 1 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm, okay, but how do you start BOINC?
If through a start-up script, can't you just delete the line that starts BOINC Manager, or remark it out?
None of the Linux versions of BOINC starts the client when you start the manager, so in essence you don't need to start the manager at all.
4520) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71121)
Posted 1 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, Mister Sattler. Yes, but me coming back from well-rested vacation does not mean I'm here all day to keep an eye on your antics now that you've had the boot again at Seti. So please, do keep things at peace around here.

Edit: double t, not double d.
4521) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Disable BOINC Manager system tray (Message 71119)
Posted 1 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Options->More options->uncheck "Run Manager at login?" will stop running and showing BOINC Manager. You'll still have to start the client to be able to run work.
4522) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 71118)
Posted 1 Aug 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
My vacation is over, back to managing you lot. :-)

In the past weeks without much computer(ing) I have come to a decision: due to upcoming changes in my daily life, effective immediately I'll stop crunching data for the projects. I've uninstalled BOINC, backed up my data directory and removed it from my drive, and gone by all projects I can remember and log-in on still and removed all my computers.

I will continue to do the Alpha BOINC Change Logs and may on occasion test a BOINC to see what changed that needs changed in the documention or translations, but it'll be uninstalled afterwards.

Logging in everywhere has given me the chance to store all my logins in a more secure external password manager (KeePass2).

And then you come across things like this one at World Community Grid (WCG):
Password Format Requirements:
* 6 characters minimum (alphanumeric: A-Z, a-z, 0-9)
* 32 characters maximum
* No "special" characters (!@#$%^&*_+=:;, etc...)

Okay, so you're the first project to use secure connections for everything, but then for the login you're hampering us as we're not allowed to do a difficult, not easy to hack password because we're not allowed to do 'special characters'. You can just as well drop the secure connections then. My normal password these days is 21 characters long, including several special characters. Not allowing me to use special characters is not very secure. And I don't see why it's not possible either, the password is just a string, it shouldn't have a maximum, it should be possible to fill in a whole sentence if necessary. So why projects do this, I don't know.

Ofcourse the other weird thing at WCG is that they use unique usernames. Instead of the unique email address you use at the rest of the BOINC universe, at WCG the unique identifier is your user name. No two kittens can be called Ageless at WCG.

Now, one thing I'll do this week is reinstall Windows 7 again, because of my broken right-click context menu. Now that MS stopped pushing Windows 10 onto everyone, updates should be coming in fast again. And eveyone with Windows 10 will now go curse MS because of the changes coming in the next update, be it that you'll get Cortana chucked onto you with no option to disable her, or the need for signed device drivers - else they're uninstalled. And on top of the drivers you get chucked at you, now MS can decide whether everyone needs certain programs from their store as well, and of course advertisements on the lock screen that you cannot disable anymore. Yep, good luck with Windows 10.

10 reasons you shouldn't upgrade to Windows 10.
4523) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using integrated GPU with Discrete GPU installed (Message 70974)
Posted 21 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
"OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1275 v3 @ 3.50GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 4.2.0.148, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 148))"


Is BOINC one of the softwares that can use the GPU in these situations?
No, BOINC can only detect GPUs when they're enabled by the hardware. In your case the GPU is disabled by the hardware, thus it won't be detected.

Does the message above indicate that BOINC is detecting the P4600?
The above shows that the Intel CPU is OpenCL capable, nothing more. It does not show that it detected the built-in GPU.

Plenty of other hardware is OpenCL capable, it's not just GPUs that can be.
4524) Message boards : The Lounge : Poll: A bit of indecision that you get to tell me the outcome of... (Message 70753)
Posted 8 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, Mark is free to return then tonight. If he wants to.
See you all in approximately 3 weeks.

Tada!
4525) Message boards : GPUs : GPU is missing in Boinc after service (Message 70743)
Posted 7 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you start BOINC at the start of the operating system, it can happen under Linux that the required drivers (e.g. x-server) aren't loaded yet and that the GPU detection fails. Simple solution is to wait until the OS has fully loaded and then start BOINC.

You can try it now by exiting BOINC and restarting it.
4526) Message boards : The Lounge : Poll: A bit of indecision that you get to tell me the outcome of... (Message 70742)
Posted 7 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tomorrow afternoon, the 8th of July, I'll be going on holiday. Holly and I will be going away until the 29th of July, possibly even until the 31st. I plan on not being anywhere on these forums, if I can help it. Kathryn makes rounds as far as I know, she can bring spammers to justice just as much as I can.

Which leaves me with the problem of Mark. His banishment ends July 8, 2016 23:25 h (I don't know if that's UTC, but I think it is).

What do you want me to do?
1. Allow Mark to come back, you as the community will yell at him, put him in his place, when he goes on a destruction spree again?
2. Mark is banished for another month, by whomever of the moderators?

Simple. Tell me your decision. :)
4527) Message boards : Questions and problems : 10 Raspberry Pi - Can they all work on the SAME project instead of different ones? (Message 70735)
Posted 6 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Short answers, no and yes.

No, on the multiple devices running the same work. At Seti all tasks run on single hardware only, meaning one CPU = one task, one GPU = one task. There's also no multithreading applications, which would run one task with all the CPU cores the device has.

Everyone on a team can sign up with their own email address and password, furthermore, everyone runs their own work. You cannot run the same tasks as a team, unless one of your team is your wingperson (the other computer needed to return the work for it to validate).
4528) Message boards : Android : Its that time of the day for the server to be confused about a device (Message 70722)
Posted 6 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them message is just that, you've not set in your Seti@Home project preferences to use the Intel GPU. When that's not checked and the server has no work available for the device you are asking work for, it can happen that you get these messages.

E.g., I had them like this:
[SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
[SETI@home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
[SETI@home] [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 1677.97 seconds; 0.00 devices
[SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
[SETI@home] [sched_op] Server version 707
[SETI@home] No tasks sent
[SETI@home] No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
[SETI@home] Tasks for CPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
[SETI@home] Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
[SETI@home] Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
[SETI@home] Project requested delay of 303 seconds

My project preferences at Seti@Home have only got "Use ATI GPU" checked, not any of the other GPUs or CPU.
As far as I know, you can overcome the message by checking all, even if you do not have the hardware. This seems to be a quirk unique to the Seti server.

You also have the missing CPU type problem in 7.4.51 when checking the hostID on the server, and it would be best for you to upgrade to 7.4.53 to see if that's fixed on your system as well.
4529) Message boards : Questions and problems : Getting more tasks (Message 70710)
Posted 5 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do know that you can set these cache settings through BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Options->Computing preferences->section Computing->section Other as well, and that once you set the preferences through here once, that these override the Web preferences.

The top of these local computing preferences shows which preferences you use.
4530) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 70709)
Posted 5 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ever had it that you were watching a movie and halfway through you were bored out of your mind? We had that with Independence Day Resurgent. I understand why Will Smith thanked for getting into this one, it isn't good. Halfway through we were looking at each other, shall we just quit here and see the end of it another day, whenever that is?

It usually is difficult to be as good as the first movie in a sequel, but here they definitely missed it. Had we been in a theater, we'd have asked our money back. That bad.
4531) Message boards : Android : 7.4.51/7.4.53 on Nextbook tablet, Intel Atom x86_64, Android 5.0 (Message 70691)
Posted 4 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for trying. I've let the developer know about that.
Keep an eye out for a possible new version that he then wants you to try. Not many people with Intel CPUs on their Android devices out there that report back to us.
4532) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 70681)
Posted 4 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, 1 July 2016, wrote:
Hi All,

I am afraid this is still running, I am expecting the script to finish at some point over the weekend unfortunately, we will bring the site up as soon as it has finished.

With regards,

Andy


Andy Bowery, 4 July 2016, wrote:
Hi All,

This work has now been completed and the project is now back online. Thank you for your patience.

Best regards,

Andy
4533) Message boards : Android : No New Tasks after completing several task sets (Message 70679)
Posted 4 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers have come through and released a new version, 7.4.53, if you can try what that one does?

If it doesn't work you can always return to 7.4.43.
4534) Message boards : Android : 7.4.51/7.4.53 on Nextbook tablet, Intel Atom x86_64, Android 5.0 (Message 70678)
Posted 4 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What does the previous version do? BOINC 7.4.43

(although I'm not sure if that one fully supports x86, I do know it doesn't support x86_64 so don't worry if it doesn't get the 'right work' sent. Not all projects have x86_64 applications for Android, not even all of them have x86 applications for Android.)

I'll forward this info to the developer.
4535) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 70663)
Posted 3 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Carl Haas, 86, American car racing team owner.
Michael Cimino, 77, American screenwriter and director (The Deer Hunter, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, Heaven's Gate)
Robin Hardy, 86, British film director (The Wicker Man)
4536) Message boards : Android : No New Tasks after completing several task sets (Message 70662)
Posted 3 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are problems with BOINC 7.4.51 (recommended available from the Google Play Store), amongst other things it's reported that this version doesn't ask for work, or when it does, it cannot get work because its CPU isn't detected or misdetected.

The solution?
Go back to BOINC 7.4.43: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk

(I have reported the problems to the developers, thus far they've not done anything with the information. Maybe that they're too busy with their day-jobs, I don't know. Communications have been hampered since the governance model anyway.)
4537) Message boards : Android : No New Tasks after completing several task sets (Message 70645)
Posted 2 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the project you added. Are you sure, have you checked in other words, that their server is up and giving out tasks?
4538) Message boards : GPUs : Split Work Units on 1 GPU (Message 70632)
Posted 1 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can use the plan_class distinction.
<app_config>
   <app>
       <name>poemcl</name>
       <gpu_versions>
       <gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
       <cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
       </gpu_versions>
   </app>
   <app_version>
       <app_name>poemcl</app_name>
       <plan_class>opencl_ati_101</plan_class>
       <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
       <ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
   </app_version>
   <app_version>
       <app_name>poemcl</app_name>
       <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_101</plan_class>
       <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
       <ngpus>1</ngpus>
   </app_version>
</app_config>

The above will make the distinction between the ATI and NVIDIA GPUs, by plan_class as defined by the project. I used the information from this post to get to the application and plan_class names. The above should work. If it doesn't, run it by the project developers on their forums.

You do require a minimum BOINC version of 7.2.39 for the above to work.
4539) Message boards : GPUs : Split Work Units on 1 GPU (Message 70618)
Posted 1 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The name of the app is not Poem@Home, that's the project's name.
You can check in client_state.xml what the actual names are that Poem@Home has for its applications and use that.
4540) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 70605)
Posted 1 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make ready for the end of the world. Again.
Jet Streams cross from North to South, and they shouldn't...
4541) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 remote control using BOINCTasks (Message 70604)
Posted 1 Jul 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am totally new to Win10 so maybe I miss something..

Firewall perhaps?
Make sure everything can communicate with each other. BOINC default parts (boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe, boinccmd.exe etc.) require communication on TCP/UDP 31416. I'd suspect BOINCtasks needs that as well, and else you'll have to contact Fred on how to do that. We're not making it or making it work.
4542) Message boards : Questions and problems : cannot connect to localhost / unable to get to a new running installation (Message 70571)
Posted 30 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to Boinc mgr wrongly reading the Bios setting for virtual machine support I was doing a reinstall of Boinc.

Uhm, as far as I know, BOINC does no BIOS readings whatsoever. So what is this that you were trying to do or saw BOINC do, or not do?

This resulted in an installation where the boinc mgr was not able anymore to connect to the localhost.

And you used the correct BOINC versions, 32bit vs 32bit, 64bit vs 64bit, not combined them?

Further I have found multiple of the Boinc_master directories that I am not able to delete to clean up the system for a really clean installation.

You only get a BOINC_master directory when you install BOINC as a service.
You only get to install the BOINC service if you're at least an administrator, but to remove things, you need to a) uninstall BOINC, b) remove the directories as an administrator. Perhaps even as the Windows administrator (the one behind the UAC).
4543) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't add any projects (Message 70565)
Posted 30 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If that is with 7.4.51, then go back to a previous BOINC, like https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk and try again.
4544) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc freezing computer running El Capitan OS 10.11.1 (Message 70538)
Posted 28 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone, question time:
Which project's screen saver is running when the screen freezes? What are their BOINC screen saver settings? Does this just happen when the screen saver is running, or also after computer sleep, and at other times? More details would certainly help.
4545) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 70508)
Posted 27 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Götz George, 77, German actor, (Tatort Kommissar Horst Schimanski)
Carlo Pedersoli, actor name: Bud Spencer, 86, '70s and '80s spaghetti westerns.
4546) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 70505)
Posted 27 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

We will be taking the climateprediction.net project down from 10am on Thursday 30th June to Friday 1st July 5pm, this is in order to update the version of BOINC being used on the server side of the project. If this work is completed sooner, we will bring the project back up at that time. This updated version of the server code has been used on the project test site for the last few months, this work is to bring the main project up to this same version of server code.

With regards,

Andy
4547) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 70504)
Posted 27 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

We will be taking the climateprediction.net project down from 10am on Thursday 30th June to Friday 1st July 5pm, this is in order to update the version of BOINC being used on the server side of the project. If this work is completed sooner, we will bring the project back up at that time. This updated version of the server code has been used on the project test site for the last few months, this work is to bring the main project up to this same version of server code.

With regards,

Andy
4548) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc freezing computer running El Capitan OS 10.11.1 (Message 70503)
Posted 27 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
4549) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 upgrade warning (Message 70449)
Posted 25 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Microsoft this week announced a seemingly minor change to its activation rules for Windows 10, effective with the Anniversary Update coming this summer.

The announcement was buried in the release notes for build 14371 of Windows 10, released a few days ago. Those notes were published in the Feedback Hub, which is available only to registered members of the Windows Insider Program running a Windows 10 preview edition.

As with all things that are related to licensing, the details are confusing and it's easy for even longtime Windows watchers to draw the wrong conclusions or to dream up conspiracy theories.

Here's the short version: Beginning with the Anniversary Update, version 1607, you'll be able to link a Windows 10 digital license with a Microsoft account. This linkage occurs automatically if you're signed in with a Microsoft account when you upgrade to version 1607.

For anyone else, including those with local or domain accounts, this step is optional. In any case, it applies only to those who have a Windows 10 digital license. That group consists primarily of those who took advantage of the year-long free upgrade offer that ends on July 29, 2016.

This new feature doesn't change the fundamental way that Microsoft's activation servers work. The process of activating Windows relies on a unique installation ID, which is based on a hash of information taken from the hardware on which Windows is installed. That hash is reportedly not reversible and is not tied to any other Microsoft services. It identifies a specific device, not a person.

When you use a product key to activate Windows for the first time, that installation ID is recorded in the activation database alongside the product key you entered with the installation. Later, if you need to reinstall the same edition of Windows on the same hardware, with the same product key, activation happens automatically. (Conversely, if you try to use that product key on a different machine with a different hardware ID, you'll probably be denied activation.)

But those free Windows 10 upgrades don't use a product key, so they require a different way to store the details of each upgrade license on the activation servers.

During an upgrade, the Windows 10 setup program confirms that the underlying copy of Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 is properly activated. During the free upgrade period, the Windows activation servers used that confirmation to generate a Windows 10 digital license (during the upgrade period, Microsoft referred to this as a "digital entitlement"). That digital license is stored in the activation database with your hardware-based installation ID and details about the version you just activated (Home or Pro).

If you wipe that hard disk completely, boot from Windows 10 installation media, and install a clean copy, Windows tries to activate automatically, using an installation ID that it sends to the Windows activation servers. Because the underlying hardware hasn't changed, the installation ID is identical to one stored in the activation database, and the digital license is activated automatically.

For most PCs, most of the time, that process just works.

But there are two situations in which reactivation can stumble.

First, if you make major hardware changes. The algorithm that generates the installation ID is a closely guarded secret, but I can confirm from years of testing that it is extremely tolerant of minor changes. If you add a hard drive, upgrade a video card, or increase memory, you almost certainly won't trigger a change in the installation ID.

Changing the motherboard, however, generates a new installation ID. Under Microsoft's sometimes Byzantine licensing rules, your license is valid if you replace a motherboard because of hardware failure. You need a new license if you chose to upgrade the motherboard, because you're essentially building a new PC.

Under the existing rules, there's no way to prove that you have a digital license for that PC. You have to call the telephone activation line and plead your case with a support representative.

That's where linking the digital license to a Microsoft account comes in. After a motherboard replacement, you can use the new Activation Troubleshooter to view digital licenses associated with your Microsoft account and identify the device that has the replacement motherboard. That action transfers the digital license to the new installation ID.

The second situation where the link to a Microsoft account might help is on a PC that has more than one license attached to it. That situation might apply if you purchased a PC with Windows 10 Home installed by the OEM and then upgraded to Windows 10 Pro during the free upgrade period using a product key from a retail copy of Windows 7 Professional, for example.

In that situation, a clean reinstall of Windows 10 from the manufacturer's recovery media might result in the Home version being installed and activated. The procedure for upgrading to Windows 10 Pro is far from obvious, involving generic product keys that aren't officially published. Here, too, being able to link that Windows 10 Pro license to a Microsoft account makes it possible to identify the correct digital license.

Microsoft says the new feature to link a digital license to a Microsoft account is in Windows 10 build 14371 or later. I have one PC that performed this connection automatically. I have not yet been able to test the manual linking process.

One concern that some will have is that linking installation IDs to a Microsoft account fundamentally changes the anonymity of activation. That's not likely to go over well with the contingent that believes Windows 10 telemetry is actually a secret spying program.

source.)
4550) Message boards : Android : Boinc Android Version 7.4.49 problems (Message 70443)
Posted 25 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
Okay, I’ve pushed out a new build which will have the alt platform defined for all three 64-bit platforms supporting their 32-bit flavors.

I found evidence in the standalone toolchain that leads me to believe that both 64-bit and 32-bit executables are supported on 64-bit platforms. Namely there are both /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 directories in the virtualized sysroots. Both containing the same libraries.

I found some documentation, namely: https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/standalone_toolchain.html#abi

Describing the preferred parameters to pass to gcc to support armeabi-v7a and an additional piece of information about a bug with the cortex-a8 processor. Applying the extra parameters seems to have cleared up the execution failures on 5 of the 13 devices Google tests us against in the play store.

I believe 7.4.51 will be a good build to get out to the public.

It is important to note that the devices Google tests us against are all ARM devices. So if anybody has an x86/x86_64/mips/mips64 device you are willing to test out the new build on, let me know how it goes.
4551) Message boards : Android : Boinc Android Version 7.4.49 problems (Message 70417)
Posted 24 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The earlier client asked for something like arm-unknown-linux-gnueabihf or arm-android-linux-gnu work, both of which are 32bit. The 64 in aarch64 dictates that the client asks for 64bit applications, something that the projects don't have.

The client should be able to ask for 32bit work if 64bit work is not available and it doesn't do that at this time. So that's something that the developers have to look into.

You can still return to 7.4.43, which is the normal one available from the Google Play Store.
4552) Message boards : Android : Boinc Android Version 7.4.49 problems (Message 70407)
Posted 24 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently the only available Android applications are 32bit, so the answer by the server is correct, it does not have 64bit applications. I saw Juha reported that to the list already.
4553) Message boards : Android : Boinc Android Version 7.4.49 problems (Message 70397)
Posted 24 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.50.apk is now available, probably also via the Google Play Store if you allow alpha versions.
4554) Message boards : Android : Boinc Android Version 7.4.49 problems (Message 70378)
Posted 23 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded this to development. Not sure if this is a typo in the code, or that it's being detected like that. For the moment, return to the previous BOINC version, probably 7.4.43?

Edit: thanks to Nicolas, we found it's a typo in the code, so I presume 7.4.50 will be out by the end of the day.
Edit2: Rom added a fix and a promise he'll put a new version out later tonight.
Thanks for the report.
4555) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 70377)
Posted 23 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Kimbo Slice, 42, Bahamian-born American mixed martial artist, boxer and actor
Margaret Vinci Heldt, 98, American hairstylist, creator of the beehive hairstyle
Janet Waldo, 96, American actress and voice artist (The Jetsons, The Flintstones, Wacky Races)
Lois Duncan, 82, American writer (I Know What You Did Last Summer, Hotel for Dogs, Who Killed My Daughter?)
4556) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 70066)
Posted 8 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mark is on a 2 month vacation, starting today.
4557) Message boards : The Lounge : Mark Sattler's self-penned biography about being banished, life, death, drinking, Seti and related matters (Message 70045)
Posted 8 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bernie didn't denigrate you.
4558) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 70009)
Posted 6 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

A new version of BOINC is available to test out on Windows.

The bug fixes in this release are:
* client: Check for a new process initialization error code when the user session is being logged off.
* client: fix memory accounting for VM apps
* client: in mem_usage_debug msgs, show whether the job is running
* client: Add &lt;no_opencl/> option in cc_config.xml
* client: fix nvidia_driver_version dlopen() (Mac and Linux only)

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have posted 7.6.33 for the mac.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Excuse me for posting the log late, I've been down with the flu for the past days and won't be around much until better. ~Jord.
4559) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 70008)
Posted 6 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.33 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.32 -> 7.6.33

  • Added error codes. Added three error codes for the VM use case.
  • client: added three error codes for use with the file completion trigger file mechanism of the vboxwrapper.
  • LIB: tweak error messages.
    The snprintf() was moved one up because it can change errno before calling perror(). This way the correct error message is printed if getaddrinfo() fails and both functions (perror () and gai_strerror()) are thread-safe.
  • LIB: tweak error messages.
    As described in PR#1531 the original error message does not provide enough information. This also fixes that no unrelated error message is shown.
  • Virtualbox icon should be const char to avoid a warning when transforming into a string.
  • client: in mem_usage_debug msgs, show whether the job is running.
  • client: fix memory accounting for VM apps. At some point we decided that OS reporting of mem usage for VM apps was wrong, and we use wu.rsc_mem_usage instead.
    • Fix: use this only for running VM apps; for non-running, use zero. Also, in mem usage print (mem_usage_debug) show whether the job is running.
  • client: Check for a new process initialization error code when the user session is being logged off.
    Microsoft decided to add a new status code for Win10. See: #1553


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.33
- boinc_7.6.33_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.33_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.12 included
- boinc_7.6.33_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.33_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.6.33
- boinc_7.6.33_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.33_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.33_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

4560) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removing a project (Message 70004)
Posted 6 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When the Remove button is disabled, you have added the project through different means, most probably an account manager such as BOINC Account Manager (BAM!) or GridRepublic. You'll have to remove the project through the account manager, before you can add it again (be it through the account manager or through BOINC Manager).

You can check if you're using an account manager by looking in the Tools menu for "Synchronize with X", where X tells you the AM you're using.
If this is an older BOINC, the Sync place may differ.
4561) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 69950)
Posted 4 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay), 74
4562) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd --get_cc_status returns "Operation failed: Error 2" (Message 69940)
Posted 3 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The error seems to be on the network section.
So could be a network specific error 2, or TCP/IP error 2. Until we know what's throwing the error 2, it's difficult to figure out.

Checking further around, error 2 seems to have to do with the tool not being able to communicate via RPC to the client on the correct port(s). Has any of you made absolutely sure you added your present BOINC programs in your firewall, all with the correct path ways?

Edit (after reading Juha's answer): But then I am using BOINC 7.6.32, so it could also be that if it's something that was fixed, that it's already in this version.
4563) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd --get_cc_status returns "Operation failed: Error 2" (Message 69934)
Posted 3 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think the error you get is one from BOINC or boinccmd, but one from Windows. It's not an error that's anywhere in the BOINC (client) source code.

Here's mine:
P:\BOINCProgram>boinccmd --get_cc_status
network connection status: don't need connection
CPU status
    not suspended
    current mode: always
    perm mode: always
    perm becomes current in 0 sec
GPU status
    not suspended
    current mode: according to prefs
    perm mode: according to prefs
    perm becomes current in 0 sec
Network status
    not suspended
    current mode: always
    perm mode: always
    perm becomes current in 0 sec

P:\BOINCProgram>

But perhaps I don't see it because I have my BOINC programs directory outside the Windows protected Program Files/Program Files (x86) directories. Maybe that Windows doesn't like this command to be done on an executable in this protected directory.
4564) Message boards : Questions and problems : Credits per day drop to 1/3 (Message 69933)
Posted 3 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't do any science calculations, that's up to the project. Giving out credit is also something the projects do, so you best ask this question at the project you see this at. Perhaps that they've got a new application that runs slower.
4565) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 upgrade warning (Message 69896)
Posted 1 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows 10 nagware: You can't click X. Make a date OR ELSE.
Change of plans? Mission-critical upgrade to run first? Tough!


Microsoft’s Windows 10 nagware campaign has entered a new phase, with all options to evade or escape an upgrade finally blocked.

Recently, Microsoft’s policy had been to throw up a dialogue box asking you whether you wanted to install Windows 10.
If you clicked the red “X” to close the box – the tried-and-tested way to make dialogue boxes vanish without agreeing to do anything – Microsoft began taking that as permission for the upgrade to go ahead.

Now Microsoft is changing gears.
It has eliminated the option to re-schedule a chosen upgrade time once you’ve confirmed it while also removing the red “X” close option from the screen. One Reg reader grabbed the below screenshot from a relative's PC on Windows 7.

The change means Windows 10’s nagware is now out of step with – and ahead of – Microsoft’s official Knowledge Base documentation on the topic, which says you can re-schedule your upgrade.
Microsoft has stood behind its operating system’s nagging reminders. A representative has tried to excuse the “reminders”, telling The Reg that the “your upgrade is scheduled” notification has been part of the UI motivation “for months.”

The forced march comes as the clock ticks on the next update to Windows 10, Windows 10 Anniversary, which is due in July.
Microsoft seems to be engaged in a policy of mopping up as many outlying pockets of pre-Windows 10 as possible to avoid any potential conflict between the new operating system and PCs already in the market such as those on Windows 8.1 or, worse and much older, Windows 7.

Users of Samsung PCs are struggling with the current version of Windows 10. Driver compatibility issues between Samsung PCs and Windows 10 have not been solved, leading to installation errors and conflicts with components like wireless cards.
That has led Samsung to warn users of its notebooks and PCs not to upgrade to Windows 10.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/01/windows_10_nagware_no_way_out/
4566) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Professional Reboot (Message 69891)
Posted 1 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
'im Frage' is the pseudo-German term ;).

Sentences end with a full stop before the smiley, not the smiley and then the full stop.

but this thread is on Windows.

Well great. You've answered that it's all fixed now.
Yippee.
4567) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Professional Reboot (Message 69887)
Posted 1 Jun 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seen you write this twice now in a short while and wonder what the source of this story is

At the time of me writing that, March 26 2016, the source had been a thorough search through the WCG forums and reading several threads on the subject from top to bottom two weeks earlier: I'd checked there on the 12th of March, and at the time more specifically for my answer to the Android app. But saw at that time that there were a couple of other apps that didn't checkpoint or didn't checkpoint correctly as well.

A lot can change in nine and a half weeks in development.

At least in the case of the Android answer I asked the person to go ask on the WCG forums. And mind, at the time of writing the Zika app wasn't even in Frage.

Shall I come over to the WCG forums and resurrect some old threads in which you gave advice from nine weeks ago that's no longer correct? You could've answered this in fifteen different ways, all not attacking me. What's up, Rob? Want to tell me something?
4568) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Designate disc drive? (Message 69864)
Posted 31 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's in the registry, a place we don't dare normal users to go tinker in. Then it's way easier to uninstall and reinstall.

There's also the problem of permission. By moving the data directory to another place the permission required for BOINC to be able to write to the directory could be gone. Then to fix that you still look at uninstall-reinstall.
4569) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69859)
Posted 31 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps today we find pigs can fly. ;-)
4570) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system (Message 69858)
Posted 31 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
These forums are for discussion of anything that goes about BOINC. No discussion is ever set in stone about its direction, so if the direction deviates somewhat to the left or right, fine. Eventually it'll always comes back on topic.

If you do not like what others say in the discussion, or if someone's opinion differs so much from yours, you don't go calling them a troll. If you truly cannot get over what they say, put them on ignore. The option is available in the forum preferences. That way their posts are hidden from your view, you don't have to worry about what they say anymore, and you don't have to go call them names for absolutely no reason.
4571) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.22 not honoring flag in cc_config.xml ? (Message 69856)
Posted 31 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that the Activity menu for the CPU is set to "run based on preferences", if it's not all preferences are ignored. Apparently GPU Activity is set to "based on preferences".

Also, you only have to use the exclusion in one place. Rule of thumb:
- Exclusive App suspends both CPU and GPU, this because the GPU cannot do work without the CPU.
- Exclusive GPU App suspends only GPU.
4572) Message boards : Questions and problems : Adding new project and already joined projects (Message 69841)
Posted 31 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is also the "Feature Request" tag so it is easily found.

The thing is, I can't add any tags. I don't have any available, not in Pale Moon and not in Firefox. Reported that ages ago, never heard anything from it again.

But it's added to gitHub now. #401
4573) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69831)
Posted 31 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps that the server can't do without its name giver, so undo that banishment. ;-)
4574) Message boards : Questions and problems : Adding new project and already joined projects (Message 69781)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment it's not possible, but I think it's a great idea. Have sent it as a request to the developers. I'll probably add it as a request to GitHub as well.
4575) Message boards : BOINC Manager : https://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz (Message 69769)
Posted 27 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Notices are sent by the projects, not by BOINC.
And unless a project states to the BOINC developers that their URL has changed, it's difficult for them to adjust it in the Add Project wizard file.

I'll forward this to the developers, they'll make the change and BOINC will auto-update the specific file without you needing to do anything. This can take a while, though.
4576) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC will not Resume - OS X El Capitan (Message 69763)
Posted 26 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's all right. I've been caught out on one of those at one time as well, after which I sat down and wrote down all situations in which BOINC can be suspended. :)

By the way, just curious, which one was it?
4577) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to update BOINC whithout losing all data in the data folder ? (Message 69756)
Posted 26 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would guess that the update as such is only for the BOINC programm Folder, correct?

Yes, the only thing that the BOINC installer does (for Windows at least) is to remove the old BOINC program files (boinc.exe, boinmgr.exe, boinccmd.exe etc.) and libraries and then install the new ones.

All information in the data directory is left untouched.
4578) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 upgrade warning (Message 69754)
Posted 26 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376962

Microsoft has u-turned over changes it made to a pop-up encouraging users to upgrade to Windows 10.

Users were angry that clicking the cross to dismiss the box meant that they had agreed to the upgrade.
Based on "customer feedback", Microsoft said that it had added another notification that provided customers with "an additional opportunity for cancelling the upgrade".

The pop-up design had been described as a "nasty trick".

Microsoft told the BBC it had modified the pop-up two weeks ago as a result of criticism: "We've added another notification that confirms the time of the scheduled upgrade and provides the customer an additional opportunity for cancelling or rescheduling the upgrade. "If the customer wishes to continue with their upgrade at the designated time, they can click 'OK' or close the notifications with no further action needed."

Senior editor at PC World magazine Brad Chacos, who describes himself as a fan of the Windows 10 operating system, had previously described the use of the cross to mean people had agreed to the upgrade as "a nasty trick".
He said: "I don't think that adding more pestering pop-ups improves the situation. At the very least they should add a large, obvious 'No, I don't want this' button."

Mr Chacos has been a vocal critic of what he described as the "heavy-handed tactics that Microsoft's been using to force people into the upgrade".

Previously, users had to press the cross to cancel the suggested upgrade, he pointed out, so the latest move is counter-intuitive - "akin to swapping out the brake and the accelerator in your car". Users have been sharing with the BBC their own experience of unwanted upgrades, suggesting that the process is difficult to cancel once it has begun.

Havard Hughes' experience was typical of many.

"Windows 10 update ran on my PC despite all my efforts to stop it, including dismissing the update several times and frantically trying to abort the installation as it started when I was halfway through writing an important e-mail. "My attempt to roll it back to Windows 7 resulted in the blue screen of death and a dead PC. I now have to reinstall my home computer from scratch because of this so-called 'free' upgrade. As someone who paid for my software and was perfectly happy with my fully functional Windows 7 machine, this has been an absolute disaster."
4579) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC will not Resume - OS X El Capitan (Message 69752)
Posted 26 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check if you didn't suspend BOINC:

1) Right-click on the BOINC icon in the system tray, see if there is a check before Snooze.

2) You have suspended BOINC through Boinc Manager, Activity menu, Suspend. Return it to Run based on preferences.

3) You have suspended the Project. Go to the Project tab in Boinc Manager. Check the status of your project or projects. To resume a project, click on it, then click on the Resume button in the menu on the left.

4) You have suspended one or all of the tasks. In this case go to the Tasks tab and select each task, then press the Resume button in the menu on the left. Do this for all Tasks that are suspended.
4580) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please Help question services - log on question ??????????? (Message 69748)
Posted 25 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The password BOINC uses to connect to BOINC Manager and for remote operations is stored in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file which is in the BOINC data directory. By default this is a random 32 character hexadecimal value.

When filling in your own password, just delete the password there, then add your own, but do not end with a line return (Enter)!

There is no need to set up a password for the service installation. If you have done so, remove the password from the service installation. The password is solely in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file.

If the request is also how to set up BOINC to be able to accessed from a remote computer, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely.
4581) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc client on Fedora can not connect to local host (Message 69731)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The password file being gui_rpc_auth.cfg.
4582) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 69729)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Louis van Gasteren, 93, Dutch filmmaker
Alan Young, 96, English-born Canadian-American actor (Mister Ed, The Time Machine, DuckTales)
John Berry, 52, American musician (Beastie Boys)
Burt Kwouk, 85, British actor (The Pink Panther, Last of the Summer Wine, Goldfinger)


And of course, lots more semi-famous/-known people and animals.
4583) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with OS X Mavericks 10.9.5 (Message 69722)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer has told me he cannot find anyone else with crashes and hangs of their Mac after that security update and that it therefore may be something unique to your machine.

Now, I forgot to ask, are the hangs when you use the CPU, or do you also use a GPU to do calculations? If so, what if you try without running work on the GPU?

Also, is there a way to uninstall and reinstall the security update? Might be something went wrong, or didn't get fully updated perhaps? (I have no knowledge of the Mac...)
4584) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc over using memory (Message 69718)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I understand it - but I am trying to get that confirmed - the smoothed value is virtual memory usage.

Well, I was close, but no cigar. The smoothed WS value shows the memory usage of apps inside a virtual machine. Memory use inside a virtual machine can be as much as there is actual memory in the computer (although it will be swapping to the page file then, which can cause severe slowdowns).

The scheduler inside BOINC will check if the WS value is less than physical RAM * (mem usage preference). As long as that's true, tasks will continue to run.
4585) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with OS X Mavericks 10.9.5 (Message 69717)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
lol, OKay, not it then. :)

Do you know what changed in the 2016-003 security upgrade?
I will forward this to the developer for the Mac, but he may also want to know what was in the upgrade. Is there a link with explanation as to what changed, any kernel changes?

Thanks.
(P.S: I don't know Charlie's working schedules anymore, so it can take a while before he answers. But usually he does so within 24 hours.)
4586) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with OS X Mavericks 10.9.5 (Message 69712)
Posted 23 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you ever cleaned out that system, opened it up and taken the dust-bunnies out? What you describe sounds to me a lot like a heat problem, where the fans may be so dust-caked that they have trouble moving enough air around when the system heats up.
4587) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC crashes explorer.exe when it stops crunching. (Message 69711)
Posted 23 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Leave non-GPU tasks in memory while suspended: is a preference setting in BOINC, it has nothing to do with hibernation or sleep of the operating system.
4588) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc over using memory (Message 69710)
Posted 23 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
18 Task running

No, &lt;mem_usage_debug> shows the memory use of 18 tasks, it does not mean they are all running at this time. This debug flag shows the memory usage of all tasks that run or at one point have run, but have since suspended.

16-May-2016 05:40:55 [---] [mem_usage] BOINC totals: WS 291.95MB, smoothed 19284.53MB, swap 1436.48MB, 0.00 page faults/sec

As far as I understand it - but I am trying to get that confirmed - the smoothed value is virtual memory usage. This may include shared memory, but it's certainly not the RAM value.

The value that the developers look at is the WS value. If that goes over the value you have for RAM, there is a problem. Thus far it hasn't ever gotten above it.
4589) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 69690)
Posted 21 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
woolly
4590) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC does not write in logs (Message 69682)
Posted 21 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
# log files
#LOGFILE=/var/log/${BOINCEXE_NAME}.log
#ERRORLOG=/var/log/${BOINCEXE_NAME}_err.log

# Add this option if you want to redirect logging to the files stderrdae.txt
# and stdoutdae.txt in BOINCDIR rather than LOGFILE and ERRORLOG
#BOINCOPTS="--redirectio"

Source.
4591) Message boards : Android : Tasks are running then suspended constantly (Message 69661)
Posted 20 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like throttling kicking in, or CPU usage.

Open BOINC on the device, hamburger (three horizontal stripes), preferences.
Check "Show advanced preferences and controls..." if unchecked.

Scroll to CPU.
What's the "CPU Limit" percentage set to? If 50%, that's the throttling you see, set it to 100%.
What's the "Pause at CPU usage above" set to? If 25% try something higher. 100% disables it.
4592) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system (Message 69623)
Posted 16 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I see is that people stare themselves blind on the recent average credit (RAC) and when it goes down, they panic, even while their credit is still going up.

So I am wondering if we shouldn't just do something about the RAC. With the present CreditNew RAC is being calculated all wrong anyway, so isn't it easiest then to get rid of RAC?

It is at the moment no longer a value that shows how well your computer has been doing over a set length of time. So either fix it so it again is showing the progress your computer makes over a set length of time, or don't use RAC.
4593) Message boards : BOINC client : Requesting help copying and rewriting BOINC FAQs to Wikipedia environment (Message 69622)
Posted 16 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi you who's reading this,

While chatting with Agentb I mentioned that it is my wish to move the BOINC FAQs to a Wikipedia environment for their 10th anniversary this December and (semi-)open (*) them up to the people for editing.

This is possible, when Neil (Munday) adds a Mediawiki to the BOINC FAQs domain, which he is willing to do. Then comes the copying of all FAQs and the rewriting of a lot of them, and bringing them up to date with the present BOINC 7. I just do not have the time or interest to do all that alone. Although I do have the FAQs in a legible text file format (wikipedia formatted), it still requires a couple of people to copy everything over, because each FAQ needs to be added manually, title made, text copied over, saved. Luckily that's the crude work, so anything that breaks (links, images etc.) can stay broken until the rewrite.

As that is the next chapter, the actual rewrite/bringing up to date of the FAQs: I estimate we need at least 10 volunteers to help out on that.

What we need for this though is people who have:
1. Free time to spend on copying, (re)writing, reviewing and generally bringing up to date most all of the FAQs;
2. Good knowledge of the English language is a pre;
3. Basic knowledge of BOINC is necessary;
4. You can explain things to people, so that they know what you mean. There is no real limit in text size, there is no need to explain everything in 140 characters;
5. Basic knowledge of writing in a Mediawiki environment is a pre. If you know how to add templates, skins, etc. we really want your help. :)

So, when you're interested to help out, let me know. Give me a private message with the email address and nickname you want to receive a BOINC FAQ Wiki account for.

(*) We can't fully open up the FAQs as that's asking for trouble with spammers. But if you want to contribute at any time, you can ask Neil or me to make you an account, no trouble.

Jord.
4594) Message boards : The Lounge : Requesting help copying and rewriting BOINC FAQs to Wikipedia environment (Message 69621)
Posted 16 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi you who's reading this,

While chatting with Agentb I mentioned that it is my wish to move the BOINC FAQs to a Wikipedia environment for their 10th anniversary this December and (semi-)open (*) them up to the people for editing.

This is possible, when Neil (Munday) adds a Mediawiki to the BOINC FAQs domain, which he is willing to do. Then comes the copying of all FAQs and the rewriting of a lot of them, and bringing them up to date with the present BOINC 7. I just do not have the time or interest to do all that alone. Although I do have the FAQs in a legible text file format (wikipedia formatted), it still requires a couple of people to copy everything over, because each FAQ needs to be added manually, title made, text copied over, saved. Luckily that's the crude work, so anything that breaks (links, images etc.) can stay broken until the rewrite.

As that is the next chapter, the actual rewrite/bringing up to date of the FAQs: I estimate we need at least 10 volunteers to help out on that.

What we need for this though is people who have:
1. Free time to spend on copying, (re)writing, reviewing and generally bringing up to date most all of the FAQs;
2. Good knowledge of the English language is a pre;
3. Basic knowledge of BOINC is necessary;
4. You can explain things to people, so that they know what you mean. There is no real limit in text size, there is no need to explain everything in 140 characters;
5. Basic knowledge of writing in a Mediawiki environment is a pre. If you know how to add templates, skins, etc. we really want your help. :)

So, when you're interested to help out, let me know. Give me a private message with the email address and nickname you want to receive a BOINC FAQ Wiki account for.

(*) We can't fully open up the FAQs as that's asking for trouble with spammers. But if you want to contribute at any time, you can ask Neil or me to make you an account, no trouble.

Jord.
4595) Message boards : Questions and problems : Requesting help copying and rewriting BOINC FAQs to Wikipedia environment (Message 69620)
Posted 16 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi you who's reading this,

While chatting with Agentb I mentioned that it is my wish to move the BOINC FAQs to a Wikipedia environment for their 10th anniversary this December and (semi-)open (*) them up to the people for editing.

This is possible, when Neil (Munday) adds a Mediawiki to the BOINC FAQs domain, which he is willing to do. Then comes the copying of all FAQs and the rewriting of a lot of them, and bringing them up to date with the present BOINC 7. I just do not have the time or interest to do all that alone. Although I do have the FAQs in a legible text file format (Wikipedia formatted), it still requires a couple of people to copy everything over, because each FAQ needs to be added manually, title made, text copied over, saved. Luckily that's the crude work, so anything that breaks (links, images etc.) can stay broken until the rewrite.

As that is the next chapter, the actual rewrite/bringing up to date of the FAQs: I estimate we need at least 10 volunteers to help out on that.

What we need for this though is people who have:
1. Free time to spend on copying, (re)writing, reviewing and generally bringing up to date most all of the FAQs;
2. Good knowledge of the English language is a pre;
3. Basic knowledge of BOINC is necessary;
4. You can explain things to people, so that they know what you mean. There is no real limit in text size, there is no need to explain everything in 140 characters;
5. Basic knowledge of writing in a Mediawiki environment is a pre. If you know how to add templates, skins, etc. we really want your help. :)

So, when you're interested to help out, let me know. Give me a private message with the email address and nickname you want to receive a BOINC FAQ Wiki account for.

(*) We can't fully open up the FAQs as that's asking for trouble with spammers. But if you want to contribute at any time, you can ask Neil or me to make you an account, no trouble.

Jord.
4596) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resources not changing in any projects (Message 69588)
Posted 14 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, Update is greyed out for projects added through an account manager, they have a sync option. In any case, for projects added through an account manager BOINC will read only the info from the account manager file, and ignore the contents of any account_*.xml files those may still have.
4597) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resources not changing in any projects (Message 69581)
Posted 13 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Of course the changes won't be in any of the account_*.xml files, because you changed things through the BOINC Account Manager BAM!, which has its own output file (of which I don't know the name, but it's probabaly something like account_manager.xml, or bam_account_manager.xml) with all the information of the projects you added, their resource share, your account keys for them, whether you want to use the CPU/GPU/other, your computing preferences, etc.

Account_*.xml files contents are only changed when you change information within on the project's website.
4598) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to merge lists of participating computers when different mail-addresses (Message 69573)
Posted 12 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC accounts cannot be merged.

But what you can do is change the email address on the old account to rubbish, since BOINC will not check for validity of the email address, so 1234@09876.fpr would be a 'valid' address. After you changed the email address on that account, change the email on the new account to the old email address.

Mind, this will not merge the accounts, because the original account now has a 'new' email address. The email address is the unique identifier.
4599) Message boards : Questions and problems : Warning for unread messages does not go away (Message 69570)
Posted 12 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Options->Other options->Notice reminder interval->Never->OK.
4600) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running when it's not supposed to. (Message 69568)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check that BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view->)Activity is set to "Run based on preferences", as else those preferences will get ignored.
4601) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69558)
Posted 10 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Berkeley, of course. Their server. :)
4602) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69556)
Posted 10 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup. 0.02€ deposited.

Not sure who pays you, but you're cheap. That wall of text for just 2 euro cent?
4603) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69546)
Posted 10 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
and down.
4604) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 69542)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

This work has now completed and the Climateprediction.net project is back online.

With regards,

Andy
4605) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 69541)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery wrote:
Hi All,

This work has now completed and the project is back online.

With regards,

Andy
4606) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69534)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's going down on Monday again? Or are you confusabobbled with the one time it did, and that it has since returned to going down on Tuesday? Today's Monday. At least, here in the Western World it is.
4607) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system (Message 69529)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It doesn't appear that the raised/promised SETI funds (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/21/science/yuri-milner-russian-entrepreneur-promises-100-million-for-alien-search.html?_r=0) have been allocated to BOINC development

These funds are spread over 10 years and are for all Seti projects, not just for the Seti@Home project. It may even get none, hasn't had any thus far. And even then, it'll probably be spent on the hardware with which the recordings take place, not the hardware that stores the BOINC project.

Aside from Seti@Home, Seti NET and The SETI League and Project Argus there are plenty of other projects and businesses trying to find that elusive first contact.
4608) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system (Message 69517)
Posted 8 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fix the credit system so all projects pay the same...

With BOINC being open source and anyone being able to change things in it as he or she likes, there's no way that any credit system can be enforced on all projects. As long as any of them thinks it can pay several million credit for 3 minutes worth of work, it's able to do so.

It's up to the users of such a project to tell them if they like that or not.
4609) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system (Message 69501)
Posted 7 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Christian Beer wrote:
P.S.: I don't know anything about the specific reasons why people hide their hosts but they should have the possibility.

The original reason for this option was for hardware testers who due to their NDA were not allowed to show the hardware in combination with their account. Think about new GPUs being tested, or new CPUs. They'd still show up in the lists, but not against a specific person's account.

As to why people do it these days, probably ignorance as they don't believe other users cannot see their intimate information, or just because they can for a bit of privacy.
4610) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Linux] Unable to connect to the core client (Message 69489)
Posted 6 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, let's start with some basic information then, as asked here:
- BOINC version?
- Installed as a service or as a user?
- 32bit, 64bit?
- Windows 10, 32bit or 64bit?
- When checking in Windows Task Manager, is the BOINC client (boinc.exe) running when or after you started BOINC Manager?
- Which firewall do you use? (you never answered)
- What have you tried to do to get it to connect?
- Did you install BOINC and the data directory in the default directories?
- Did you update BOINC from a previous version?
- Was that previous version the same kind (32bit/64bit) as the new one is?
- What kind of anti virus do you have?
- Have you added the BOINC program directory and the data directory as exceptions in this program?
- Have you had a GPU of some brand in that computer, but have you since removed it or changed it for another GPU? In that case, you may need to remove the previous drivers. Use a program such as Display Driver Uninstaller if unsure.
- It's possible that another program is taking up the default port (TCP 31416) that BOINC uses to communicate between its parts. You can check what ports are in use by:
* Click Start->Search, type cmd.exe and wait for it to show in the column, then right-click it and choose "Run as administrator". If need be, acknowledge.
* In the black window that opens type netstat -b -n >> C:\tmp\stats.txt (with spaces) and hit Enter, then wait for the blinking cursor to be visiable again. (Leave the window open)
* Open Windows Explorer and navigate to C:\tmp\, then open stats.txt with Notepad.
* Copy its contents and paste those here for all to see.
* Next go back to the command line window, then type netstat -a -n >> C:\tmp\stats2.txt (including the spaces) and hit Enter.
* Wait for the blinking cursor to be visiable again. (Leave the window open)
* Open Windows Explorer and navigate to C:\tmp\, then open stats2.txt with Notepad.
* Copy its contents and paste those here for all to see.
You can close the command line window now, and close/delete the files.
4611) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does BOINC respond to kill signals? (Message 69488)
Posted 6 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
... nothing was written to stdoutdae.txt when I tried sending it (as root).

I think you'll have to use boinc --redirectio under Linux to get it to write the event log to stdoutdae.txt (when running as not the user that installed it?)

As Sekerob said, increase the size of the file(s) using the right options in cc_config.xml:

<max_stderr_file_size>N</max_stderr_file_size>
    Specify the maximum size of the standard error log file (stderrdae.txt); default is 2 MB.
<max_stdout_file_size>N</max_stdout_file_size>
    Specify the maximum size of the standard out log file (stdoutdae.txt); default is 2 MB.
    Sample: <max_stdout_file_size>3145728</max_stdout_file_size> equals 3 MB.
    NB: A Client restart may be needed to have changes take effect!

It's not really needed to increase the size of stderrdae.txt, unless you have a lot of client errors - crashes of the client and such. It's really only needed to increase the size of stdoutdae.txt

I run mine at 19.2MB using:
<max_stdout_file_size>20119200</max_stdout_file_size>
4612) Message boards : BOINC client : allow multiple clients (Message 69466)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
[quote]Ah OK, but if he's already having trouble connecting two BOINC Managers, he may as well have trouble connecting boinccmd to the right directory.

But the Manager doesn't connect to a directory - and nor does boinccmd.

I used the wrong name. I was with my head elsewhere -soft pillows, warm covers- when I wrote that. I meant 'the right BOINC instance'.

@Erich, what firewall do you use, and did you add boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe to it? If just the Windows firewall, what are the settings used?
4613) Message boards : BOINC client : allow multiple clients (Message 69456)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah OK, but if he's already having trouble connecting two BOINC Managers, he may as well have trouble connecting boinccmd to the right directory.

@Bobcat, Thinking about the BOINC Manager trouble, do you have any specific exceptions set in the firewall - and if so, which firewall do you use?
4614) Message boards : BOINC client : allow multiple clients (Message 69454)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I understand from reading this thread so far is that you managed to get the second client to run, but you cannot get the second BOINC Manager to access it and to add the projects and such. My approach doesn't use BOINC Manager.

You can try to use boinccmd, but it may also like the first BOINC only. I don't think there is a way to tell boinccmd to point to a second running client.

So, you can do everything manually:
- add the account_*.xml files of the projects you want to run.
- add the local preferences file global_prefs_override.xml to set things such as amount of cache and when to run.
- add a cc_config.xml file with specific flags or options.

Now, it may at times happen you want to suspend this BOINC, but you cannot do that via the boinccmd tool. No sweat, you can edit its client_state.xml file, where you have entries for the Activity menu:
<user_run_request>2</user_run_request>
<user_gpu_request>2</user_gpu_request>
<user_network_request>2</user_network_request>

1 = 'run always' / 'always network'
2 = 'based on preferences'
3 = 'suspended'

After you change the value to for instance suspend the CPU use (run_user_request) you exit & restart BOINC. It'll suspend on the CPU then.
4615) Message boards : BOINC client : allow multiple clients (Message 69445)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you add a project through the command line, BOINC Manager or an account manager, adding the project generates an account_URL_of_project.xml file that holds the details about your account at that project.
So if you want to run GPUGRID only on the second BOINC instance, you move the account*.xml file for GPUGRID from the first BOINC's data directory to the second one.

When you then start the first BOINC, it will no longer be attached to GPUGRID, but when you start the second instance, it will be.

Of course, if you want both attached, you just copy the file over.
4616) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Linux] Unable to connect to the core client (Message 69443)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Problems with not connecting to localhost are normally attributed to BOINC not being able to communicate among its parts. the client (boinc.exe) and manager/GUI (boincmgr.exe) need access through the firewall on the localhost, if specified on TCP port 31416.

When just using the Windows firewall, do know that it has to have entries for a 64bit BOINC separate from a 32bit BOINC. Again due to the path that the executables are in. C:\program files\BOINC\boinc.exe differs in path from C:\program files (x86)\BOINC\boinc.exe

So if an earlier installation only allowed C:\program files (x86)\BOINC\boinc.exe and C:\program files (x86)\BOINC\boincmgr.exe through the firewall under the names boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe, a next start of C:\program files\boinc.exe and C:\program files\boincmgr.exe will result in neither being able to communicate with each other, because these aren't allowed through the Windows firewall.

Windows firewall does not check if the paths are still correct, as far as I know. It only checks if programs of a certain name are allowed to pass.

So if an earlier installation only allowed C:\program files (x86)\BOINC\boinc.exe and C:\program files (x86)\BOINC\boincmgr.exe through the firewall under the names boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe, a next start of C:\program files\boinc.exe and C:\program files\boincmgr.exe will result in neither being able to communicate with each other, because these aren't allowed through the Windows firewall.

Manually adding a new BOINC and BOINCMGR with the correct paths is necessary here.

Start->type Windows firewall in Search, hit Enter.
Click Inbound Rules.
Click New Rule.
Program->Next.
This program path->path to correct 32bit or 64bit boinc.exe->Next.
Allow the connection->Next.
Check Public and Private->Next.
Name: what you want, e.g. BOINC.exe
Finish.

Do the same for boincmgr.exe, but here check the Private rule only. BOINC Manager only needs access to the localhost, private network. It does not need an internet connection.

When done, no need to reboot, you should be able to start BOINC Manager now and have it connect to the client. If you use a different firewall package, you'll have to add these through there.

If you can set ports, boinc.exe needs an internet connection on TCP ports 80 and 443.
boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe need a connection on localhost on TCP port 31416.

If that still doesn't work, exit BOINC completely, navigate to its data directory (default a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\, when you fill in the path in Windows Explorer and hit Enter you'll get there) and delete the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file.
Then restart BOINC Manager and try again.
4617) Message boards : BOINC client : allow multiple clients (Message 69442)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
...
Which means that if I don't get the second BOINC to function

From what I've read, your problem is with BOINC Manager not connecting to the right BOINC client, but the client itself seems to be functioning, so if need be you can address it through the boinccmd tool.

You can also attach the first BOINC to GPUGRID, then move the account_*.xml file over to the second BOINC instance's data directory. This if BOINCCMD also proves not to work.

... I will give up this plan and install BOINC on an external USB-3 drive.

Well, not so much install BOINC on the USB drive, but move the data directory there and tell BOINC through the installer (or registry) where the new place is.

You can move the data directory to a directory on the USB drive, then in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup edit the DATADIR entry to point to the new place of the data directory. Then just start BOINC.
4618) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 69435)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, Climateprediction administrator wrote:
Hi All,

We will be taking the project offline on Monday 9th May at 11:30am (UK time) until approximately 5:30pm (UK time). This is in order to perform a switch between the master and slave database machines. If this process completes earlier, then we will bring the project back up again as soon as it has completed. We apologies for this disruption.

With regards,

Andy
4619) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 69434)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN administrator wrote:
Hi All,

We will be taking the project offline on Monday 9th May at 11:30am (UK time) until approximately 5:30pm (UK time). This is in order to perform a switch between the master and slave database machines. If this process completes earlier, then we will bring the project back up again as soon as it has completed. We apologies for this disruption.

With regards,

Andy
4620) Message boards : Projects : Android tv box GPU (Message 69387)
Posted 2 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, no project has a GPU application for Android yet.
4621) Message boards : BOINC client : allow multiple clients (Message 69384)
Posted 2 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Although I am aware that the drawback in speed would probably be enormous, particularly vis-a-vis the RAMDisc solution that I have currently. Or would it perhaps not be that bad?

The speed of the drive is no determining factor in how quickly BOINC runs work, that's more up to the speed of the CPU, the amount of cores it has and the GPU. Ah and the optimization of the science application, and if it runs just one thread or multiple.

That's why I asked you last time around if you didn't have a hard disk drive in that system. A 3TB external USB 3.0 HDD runs at 99 euro at the Aldi, no money if you ask me. If 3TB is too much, 1TB internal drives can start at around 50 euro.

Of course pricing could be different in Austria.
4622) Message boards : BOINC client : allow multiple clients (Message 69379)
Posted 2 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't install BOINC twice, you can run the BOINC client twice with the --run_multiple_clients attribute or with the flag through cc_config.xml

It's used in this way:
boinc --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port <port> --dir <new data folder> --detach_console


Like:
CD /D c:\Boinc1
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31417 --dir c:\BOINC1
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31417 /p xxxxxxxxxx
CD /D c:\Boinc2
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31419 --dir c:\BOINC2
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31419 /p xxxxxxxxxx

'xxxxxxxxxx' is the password per BOINC from the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file.

But this may not work well.
What is it you're trying to accomplish, and isn't it easier to do that with something else?
4623) Message boards : Documentation : Document update needed, please. (Message 69368)
Posted 2 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please, do I need to add a warning to the install instructions that when running BOINC as a daemon, it cannot find VirtualBox, or not?
Is that also (still) the fact with Windows installations and BOINC as a service, or is it cleared there as well?

Thanks.
4624) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc over using memory (Message 69367)
Posted 2 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I reread this thread and I find no information to what you are saying...

4/29/2016 5:47:06 PM | | [mem_usage] BOINC totals: WS 3094.27MB, smoothed 3094.27MB, swap 2941.44MB, 0.00 page faults/sec
4/29/2016 5:47:06 PM | | [mem_usage] All others: WS 5010.64MB, swap 6173.04MB, user 34819.875s, kernel 14237.250s
4/29/2016 5:47:06 PM | | [mem_usage] non-BOINC CPU usage: 5.26%

Source.

I just can't stand this anymore listening to an obnoctious moderator whose job is to keep any problems away from David Anderson.

If that were so, I would not have forwarded this thread to David, and he would not have posted in this thread.
4625) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC stopped using NVIDIA GPU (Message 69358)
Posted 1 May 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I noticed that apparently, there is no job cache for the NVIDIA GPU. What does that mean?

BOINC only has one cache, where it stores all tasks for CPU and GPU. Your cache is full with CPU tasks. Only until it has lowered the amount of tasks in the cache to below the low water mark (the value asked for in the first preference "Store at least N days of work") will BOINC ask for more work again.

Normally GPU tasks are loaded first to fill the cache, CPU tasks second.
Perhaps that you've run through the GPU work already and are now running through your CPU cache.

And if you only want to run with the GPU, you can set so in the Asteroid project preferences. (Normally, uncheck CPU. Any work in cache for the CPU still has to be run or aborted, but no more work will be asked).
4626) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC stopped using NVIDIA GPU (Message 69316)
Posted 30 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, can you post the next 40 lines after that, please? :-)
4627) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot install 7.6.22 (Message 69315)
Posted 30 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Solutions can be found in the BOINC FAQ: Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name
4628) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC stopped using NVIDIA GPU (Message 69310)
Posted 30 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please exit BOINC & restart it, then post the first 40 lines or so from the event log? That gives us a lot more information.

Asteroids@Home has work for your GPU?
Your preferences didn't change?
Windows 10 didn't install newer drivers?
4629) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac OS X : boinc running as a service = no network access (Message 69309)
Posted 30 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great! Thanks, I'll let Charlie know. :-)

Oh by the way, the not being able to stop the service, can't that be something to do with permissions, or lack thereof? You could try looking through http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X for help on that (rerun permissions).
4630) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc over using memory (Message 69308)
Posted 30 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having mem_usage_debut flag on won't help unless I have it get more ATLAS@home to work on. Which I don't want that to happen.

Sorry to be blunt, but if you don't want to test the circumstances under which this happens, while you have said you can easily reproduce it, how do you want anyone to fix this if we don't know what there is to fix?

Is it BOINC or is it The Lattice Project or ATLAS I don't know but something went wrong.

Or your system, or your preferences, or or or. Without rigorous testing, no one will be able to answer any of that.

As I said before, posting logs of when things work without flaw isn't going to be of any help to anyone. The log snippet you showed before said you were using 3GB of RAM for BOINC and 5GB of RAM for non-BOINC.
4631) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc over using memory (Message 69301)
Posted 30 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before my computer froze I went into v-box and it showed 9 of them running with 2 gigs shared for each totaling 20 gigs.

You will really have to try to give an excerpt of the log with mem_usage_debug on, on a situation as you described. Giving an excerpt of the situation afterwards when it no longer is a problem isn't going to be helpful.

So continue to run with the mem_usage_debug flag on, if needed increase the size of your stdoutdae.txt file through cc_config.xml: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Options.

For instance &lt;max_stdout_file_size>20119200%lt;/max_stdout_file_size> will set stdoutdae.txt to 19.2 MB, the size is in bytes.

<cc_config>
  <log_flags>
  </log_flags>
  <options>
      <max_stdout_file_size>20119200</max_stdout_file_size>
  </options>
</cc_config>

The above will do that.
If you already have a cc_config.xml file, check to see if the line isn't already in there but at its default '0' value, then you can just change it.
Afterwards it's best to exit BOINC & restart it.

Then the next time you find your system going slow or worse, exit BOINC and dig out the stdoutdae.txt file, then get us an excerpt of the last lines, something like the last 50 lines or so.
4632) Message boards : The Lounge : Celebrating 10 years as your BOINC moderator! (Message 69299)
Posted 29 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, so it was you who lured those 7 spammers to these forums this morning. Next time get a bunch with more brains, so they don't post their crap in the threads where a moderator is celebrating his 10th anniversary.
4633) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Linux] Unable to connect to the core client (Message 69279)
Posted 29 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, the intricacies of computers. No one knows why it works when it does. But I'm glad it did. :-)
4634) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac OS X : boinc running as a service = no network access (Message 69278)
Posted 29 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from Charlie:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
Hi Jord,

I compared his plist with the one installed by the script I have provided at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/Make_BOINC_Service.sh and found a couple of possibly significant differences. The one installed by the Make_BOINC_Service.sh script has the following 2 key/value pairs:
        <key>GroupName</key>
        <string>boinc_master</string>
        <key>Label</key>
        <string>edu.berkeley.boinc</string>

while JeromeC has the following key/value pair:
                <key>Label</key>
                <string>com.BOINC.BOINCManager</string>

I don't know if these make a difference or not.

Cheers,
--Charlie
4635) Message boards : Android : Android tablet pauses though battery at 100% (Message 69266)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think you should check Battery. What happens when you uncheck it?
4636) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is in the Virtual Box is not what is on the label! (Message 69257)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, 7.6.22 has only got VBox 5.0.10, while 7.6.23 and above have 5.0.12

Isn't it possible you already had 5.0.12 installed on your system? When the BOINC installer with VBox included finds a VBox version already on the system and that version is higher than the one in the installer, the installer will only update BOINC.
4637) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Linux] Unable to connect to the core client (Message 69256)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And after you done so, you have restarted the client?
4638) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc over using memory (Message 69255)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The event log is saved into the stdoutdae.txt file in the data directory. By default only the last 2MB is saved, with a roll-over to a stdoutdae.old file for the last backup log. Through cc_config.xml's options one can set the size of this file to be much much larger.
4639) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Linux] Unable to connect to the core client (Message 69250)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, with that out of the way, try to set a password in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in the BOINC (data) directory. By default it's got a random 32 character hexadecimal password in it, but that may not work well.

When you do set your own password, remove the 32 char word and in its place put your password. Don't add an enter at the end though.

You can also try to start the client with boinc --gui_rpc_port 31416 to specifically tell BOINC to use that port and then start BOINC Manager with the same attribute, boincmgr --gui_rpc_port 31416

You do need to run these commands from the directory the client and manager are in. I am not sure if the name of BOINC Manager's binary is boinmgr.
And of course, if you suspect it's something about the port number, you can try to give them a different number, e.g. boinc --gui_rpc_port 62555 and boincmgr --gui_rpc_port 62555
4640) Message boards : The Lounge : Celebrating 10 years as your BOINC moderator! (Message 69248)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm now also official BOINC news, yay! :-)
4641) Message boards : News : Ageless: a decade of moderation (Message 69247)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great! I'm official BOINC news. :-)
Thanks for that, David.
4642) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69242)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
With you around? Certainly. :)
4643) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Linux] Unable to connect to the core client (Message 69240)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you start the BOINC client before you started BOINC Manager? Unlike with Windows and Mac OS X, starting BOINC Manager under Linux does not start the client. It has to be started separately.
4644) Message boards : Android : Android tablet pauses though battery at 100% (Message 69235)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's your "Power sources for computation" set to?
4645) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac OS X : boinc running as a service = no network access (Message 69234)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry for the wait on this, but I forwarded this thread to the developer of BOINC on the Mac. Perhaps that he knows what causes this.
4646) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc over using memory (Message 69233)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's doing it again

So please do as David asked you to do:
- In the BOINC Manager, go to Options/Event Log Options and check mem_usage_debug. Your Event Log will now have messages (every 10 seconds)
showing how much memory each running job is using (more specifically, its "working set size").

- Compare these numbers to the sizes you see in the Win Task Manager.
Look at Private Working Set.
I'm not sure what Commit Size is; it tends to be larger.

- If the working set sizes reported by BOINC add up to more than 16GB (or the fraction specified by your prefs) then there's a bug in BOINC;
please post an event log segment here, or email it to me (davea at ssl dot berkeley dot edu).

Without any of that information we cannot help out.
4647) Message boards : The Lounge : Celebrating 10 years as your BOINC moderator! (Message 69227)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi all,

I've been dropping hints left and right that something was upcoming today. Well, the title of this thread reveals it already. I'm celebrating my tenth anniversary today as your BOINC moderator. Sorry for the great amount of text to follow in a moment, but this cannot be written in just 140 characters.

It was the evening of a Friday, on the 28th of April 2006 that I emailed David with the following request:
Hi David,

I addressed this earlier, we do need a moderator on the BOINC forums. There's now more and more people on there using the board as their means to spread unwanted SPAM. If you can't find anyone else who wants to do it, I'll volunteer (Ageless, ID:8). I'm a moderator on the Primegrid forums as well, I know how to use the options.

Please, make someone a moderator.

Thank you.

Jord.

Rom answered me and asked if I wanted a separate account for this or my regular one. And then he made me a moderator.... at Seti@Home.

Yes, 10 years ago to this date, I was the first of the volunteer users to be a moderator on the Seti forums as well. Together with David and Eric we put down some ground rules, which over time evolved into the posting rules you see on the left when posting. I also asked for the separate moderator email list that the report post mails go to, and to which you can email when you have a complaint. This so people can email one place and not 12 people's email addresses separately. Yep, all things you have me to thank for. Or curse, of course. :-)

Seeing how I still wasn't a moderator at the BOINC forums an hour after Rom told me I was, I asked again. He noticed his mistake and made me a moderator at the BOINC forums as well.

So here I was, the first user-moderator on the BOINC forums. Over time I have used the account to stop spam on these forums, banish a couple of users who didn't want to listen, get crap & insults thrown at that you don't really want to know about, but above all I am still here and not going anywhere.

Over all this time, there are some of you who have made these forums your home as well. Some more than others, others only during Seti maintenance or when special things happen, but a home to return to anyway. Despite your differences and quarrels elsewhere.

From day one, despite those rules, I decided to do things differently here. The Seti moderating stint didn't work out so well, that was more stress than a leisure cruise. So instead of the strict 13 rule that was enforced over there, I was going for a more leisure adult rule, and allow you a lot. You're all adults, or so I hope, so go on and have a discussion like adults, no matter how heated that can be at times.

Which in my humble opinion works fine.

I stroll -well, honestly I skim-read- through some of those threads at times and then read -after the fact- things like "I hope you approve of me saying this, Jord". The whole discussion has been sitting there like that for over a week then, or longer even. I do then wonder why you wouldn't be allowed to say that, what strict forum do you feel these are? Or was it something you got moderated for elsewhere?

So, anyway, you now know the story of how this little ugly duckling became your handsome BOINC moderator. I'm not leaving. If BOINC wants to continue another 10 years, I'm going to be here. Well, if forums are at least still the way to go in another 10 years.
Over these past ten years I kicked some (bad) habits, like drinking (17 August 2008) and smoking (3 October 2012), now I am trying to overcome the extra weight that added. I've grown from just a lowly moderator on these boards to one with a couple extra buttons and an extra title (administrator), I write a lot of the BOINC user documentation (wiki) and since some time do the Dutch translations for everything. In this time we have seen BOINC evolve from BOINC 5.4.5 (anyone remember what that looked like?) on CPU only to what it is now with all kinds of GPUs and coprocessor support, which can run on big PCs, Macs, Android and single board computers. I do wonder what's going to be added in the future.

So come join in the festivities:
- there's a bouncy castle at the back.
- the band plays all the hits from 2006.
- all drinks at the bar cost just $2.006

Thank you:
- David Anderson, thank you for giving us BOINC, without which there wouldn't have been these forums. Thank you also for your trust in me in all these years. I know you get all the complaint emails about me, but apparently no one ever says he can do better than me, because I'm still here. :-)
- Rom Walton, thank you for the mishap at the time which cost me a lot of added stress and my first grey hairs. But also for your friendship, and listening and advice at all the right times.
- Charlie Fenton, thank you for teaching me how BOINC does things on a Mac and helping me write a lot of the documentation.
- Kathryn Marks, my co-moderator. Not sure since when she's a moderator here, but I feel it was within the first year after me. She'll probably be able to tell that. Kath, thank you for your friendship and for jumping in here at times I cannot be here for whatever reasons. Always in the background, ey? :-)
- Christian Beer, thank you for sharing your back-end knowledge where needed. Although I tried, it wasn't something I could easily get to grips with. Yes, there are still things in overall BOINC that I don't know how they work.
- everyone who has made these forums their home, you're too many to call by name. Thank you for making these boards a lively forum. Thank you all of the help desk gurus who voluntarily help people with their BOINC problems, despite the crap you sometimes get thrown back at you.
- thank you everyone who has posted on these forums once or more times in the past 10 years. Without you, we wouldn't be here.

So Jord, what was with the images of the balls?
Well, that was a distraction, really. :-)
OK, at first I tried to make balloons through some of my programs, but quickly found out that LibreOffice's Draw is more limited than OpenOffice Draw ever was. So I decided to just add more balls, and some strings, and eventually some text. But because the original image is 550x400 pixels, and the one I show in my signature is only 120x99, I could easily add text. No matter how much you zoomed in, you wouldn't be able to read it. As Anniet found out. :-)

Here's the final image, with the text as it show in 120p in my signature here and at Seti:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fw2k88a1aw5djg/festivities.png?dl=0
4648) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69223)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
So... still building suspension. Whatever it was, it happened at 10:09 pm.
But I'll break it to you all in a couple of hours, further down my morning as I haven't finished writing the post for it yet. Been in a bit of a feeling down state today, haven't really been much around my computer, but for bits and bobs.
4649) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 69220)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The CPDN main web site is gone, down with a database problem.
The forums are available.
4650) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project SSL Certifications (Message 69214)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's annoying that you can't edit posts after an hour, that mistake is forever locked in place (unless a mod can move it to the A category for me?).

The one hour to edit your post rule was put in after nefarious people went and changed their posts on forums after the fact, to implicate others they didn't like had said certain things they never had, etc. etc.

Moderators and administrators are exempt of that rule, as we're supposed to be unbiased and here for the forums, not for ourselves or our wars with others.

Moderators can only edit their own posts after that hour.
Moderators cannot edit posts made by other people.

Edit: I did forward your thread to David. Perhaps that he feels something has to be done about it.
4651) Message boards : The Lounge : Celebratory Festive Images (Message 69213)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What about this one then? :-)
4652) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69212)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
*peer into fridge* 28th you said...?

Yeah, only a couple more hours now. Seeing from how everyone here ran away again, I think it'll be a quiet one tomorrow. But that's all right, I'm not one for large crowds anyway.

So far none has managed to figure it out yet, I'm cheery yet also chuffed.

Oh well. We'll see in a couple of hours time, when I'll put the final picture up, won't we? :-)
4653) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69193)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on what you understand by "the latest version"...
4654) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69191)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, thank the deities I have normal Multibeam in cache as well, or else I'd be out of work for the first time since the DNS server mishap of last year.
4655) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69189)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
So who thought running those Guppi's on a (AMD) GPU was a good idea?

26/04/2016 22:16:00 | SETI@home | Starting task blc0_2bit_guppi_57397_MESSIER031_0013.7819.837.23.46.41_0
26/04/2016 22:16:15 | SETI@home | Computation for task blc0_2bit_guppi_57397_MESSIER031_0013.7819.837.23.46.41_0 finished
26/04/2016 22:16:15 | SETI@home | Starting task blc0_2bit_guppi_57398_MESSIER031_0016.10120.845.23.46.178_0
26/04/2016 22:16:28 | SETI@home | Computation for task blc0_2bit_guppi_57398_MESSIER031_0016.10120.845.23.46.178_0 finished
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4656) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69186)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is just the framework. Any project wanting to use it needs to do security and backing up all by itself.
4657) Message boards : The Lounge : Celebratory Festive Images (Message 69184)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, for some reason the third image refuses to load any further, so I'll remove it.

Which leaves for the order:
, and my latest
4658) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69170)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
...and my speculation blossomed exotically.

How am I supposed to understand that? :-)
4659) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 69154)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Billy Paul, 81, American R&B singer (Me and Mrs. Jones)
Papa Wemba, 66, Congolese singer
4660) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.32 Changelog? (Message 69151)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Done: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10204&postid=69150
4661) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 69150)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.32 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.29 -> 7.6.31

  • Mac: update Xcode project, build scripts and build instructions to use cURL-7.47.1, OpenSSL-1.0.2g and SQLite 3.11.0.
    Note: OpenSSL-1.0.2g eliminates support for SSLv2, but cURL expects that support, so using their default builds causes link errors in the client. I work around this by having the build script patch curl-7.47.1/lib/curl_config.h to remove SSLv2 from cURL. An alternate solution would be to pass the enable-ssl2 argument to configure when building OpenSSL-1.0.2g.
  • Mac: Fix bug in script to build curl-7.47.1 with ssl v2 disabled.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.31 -> 7.6.32


  • Expand usage of HTTPS and fix a few URLs.
  • client: select next download url if the current one fails.
  • MGR: Remove dead code that was apparently disabled in 2010 and nobody noticed.
  • client: fix nvidia_driver_version dlopen()
  • GUI RPC: enclose message bodies in CDATA to avoid XML parse errors for messages containing "&lt;".
    Also strip off &lt;?xml tag from project config to make GUI RPC reply valid.
  • client: message tweak.
  • MGR: fix compiler warning introduced by commit 1c4f391.
  • MGR: Fix commandline options.
  • MGR: Fix command line parsing options.
  • Android: Update build scripts to support OpenSSL 1.0.2g and libCurl 7.48.0
  • snprintf() workaround for Win
    • VS 2010 doesn't have snprintf(). As a temporary workaround (until we move to VS 2015) #define snprintf as _snprintf (which doesn't null-terminate if buffer is too small). This is at least no worse than using sprintf(), which we were doing.
  • VBOX: Cap the maximum number of CPUs to 32. Virtualbox has a hard cap of 32 processors per VM.
  • Use wxString instead of wxChar* where necessary.This eliminates compiler errors with wxUSE_STL=1. It's probably also a cleaner way to pass strings around.
  • Add &lt;no_opencl/> option in cc_config.xml


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.32
- boinc_7.6.32_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.32_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.12 included
- boinc_7.6.32_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.32_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.6.32
- boinc_7.6.32_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.32_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.32_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

4662) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 69149)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Christian Beer wrote:
Hi,

I would like to point out that the Client version 7.6.32 contains a fix to the mirror selection that is AFAIK only used by Einstein@home. I would like you to test this a bit more in the field.

This is how it should work:
The Einstein@home server sends multiple download URLs ordered by timezone relative to the Client so you always download from the nearest download mirror. It can happen that this mirror is out-of sync or not available. If this happens with version 7.6.31 and older the task would fail immediately. With the new 7.6.32 logic it should try the other download URLs first and only fail if the complete download network is down.

You can easily fake a failing download mirror by editing your etc/hosts file (on Windows too) and redirecting your closest mirror to 127.0.0.1 which makes it fail. If this does not make your new tasks fail everything is working. This should also not affect projects that only send one download URL but it would be nice to test if those tasks fail immediately if the redirection is in place. Right now only the O1AS20-100* tasks on Einstein@home use the download mirror network all others have a single download URL.

Please let me know if you find any problems.

Regards
Christian
4663) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.32 Changelog? (Message 69148)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's on my computer. My computer is at home. I am not at home.
So please have patience until I'm back home. Or check through github yourself.
4664) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac OS X : boinc running as a service = no network access (Message 69139)
Posted 24 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it possible that the service runs in a different session than the drivers for the network card do and that it therefore needs special enhancements?

Can you tell which OS X this is under and with which version number of BOINC?
4665) Message boards : The Lounge : Celebratory Festive Images (Message 69138)
Posted 24 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those who missed it:
,

And 4 more days to go... :)
4666) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69137)
Posted 24 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
On it and one more it'll turn over to binary notation.
4667) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running boinc on raspbian jessie (Message 69128)
Posted 23 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set a password in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file, make sure you allow the boinc and boinc-manager binaries to pass through the firewall on TCP 31416, or else start BOINC with boinc --gui_rpc_auth {port number}, where {port number} is the port you want BOINC to communicate on.
4668) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69111)
Posted 22 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, and it's 6 days. But I'll continue the countdown in my signature. Will also add to it there, clues every day. Don't forget, I do like presents! :)
4669) Message boards : GPUs : GPUs recognized, but no work is being assigned to them? (Message 69101)
Posted 22 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having your GPU(s) detected by BOINC is only one part of the story, to be able to use them in a project the project needs to have an actual science application that's capable of running on this GPU under the OS of choice.

Not all projects have science applications that can run on an ATI GPU.
Those that do don't all have a science application for the GPU capable of running under Linux. And even here it may be required to install a certain version of drivers, that not all drivers are supported.
Those are questions best asked at the project.

The projects that do allow work to be done on ATI GPUs may run multiple application sorts that not all run on the ATI GPU. In the case of Primegrid, we can see in http://www.primegrid.com/apps.php that they have applications for ATI GPUs for under Linux, but only for PPS (Sieve), and all Genefer sub-projects.

If you do not have the project set to ask for work from those sub-projects, you don't get work for them. Also, if these sub-projects are out of work, it's difficult for them to give out some. You can see the status of available work per sub-project at the top of the right-side column on Primegrid's homepage http://www.primegrid.com/.

And when in doubt, ask on their forums. It's their work, their applications, they'll ought to know why your GPUs don't get any at this time.
4670) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69094)
Posted 21 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Completely forgot to count further down. Sorry! Life got in the way.
Of course there are just 7 days to go, today not included. :)
4671) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 69092)
Posted 21 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good God...
Prince or TAFKAP, 57, music artist.

Also,
Lonnie Mack, 74, American blues singer/gitarist
4672) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 69091)
Posted 21 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Guy Hamilton, 93, Bond director (Goldfinger, Diamonds are Forever, Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun)
4673) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 69086)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN administrator wrote:
Hi All,

We will be taking the project offline tomorrow (Thursday) at 12 noon (UK time) until approximately 5pm (UK time). This is in order to take a dump of the database. If this process completes earlier than this time, we will bring the project back up as soon as the process has completed. We apologise for for this disruption.

With regards,

Andy
4674) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 69085)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN administrator wrote:
Hi All,

We will be taking the project offline tomorrow (Thursday) at 12 noon (UK time) until approximately 5pm (UK time). This is in order to take a dump of the database. If this process completes earlier than this time, we will bring the project back up as soon as the process has completed. We apologise for for this disruption.

With regards,

Andy
4675) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 69083)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rod Daniel, 73, American film director (Teen Wolf, K-9)
Victoria Wood, 62, British comedian
4676) Message boards : Questions and problems : -bash: boinc server config: ambiguous redirect (Message 69082)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Google Translate says:
I followed that link https://wiki.debian.org/BOINC/ServerGuide/Initialisation to configure boinc server, arriving at the "1.3.1.2. Parameters for the MySQL database" and after having to type the code debian I generated this error "-bash: boincserverconfig: ambiguous redirect" what should I do to solve this problem please? Thank you in advance for your help .

Two things up front:
1) most helpers here will use English when helping out. You may want to try to post in English from here on in, as no matter how bad your English is, it's probably better than any French any of us can offer.

2) The link you point to isn't written by or updated by BOINC or Berkeley. So any problems you have with it, it's fine to post them here, but do know that none of us wrote it.

The official BOINC documentation, for setting up a server and a project is at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain.
4677) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 69081)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And so today the doorbell rang. I opened, and a postman delivered two packages, one large one small, both addressed to Holly. She said she hadn't ordered anything though.

So like on Christmas morning we opened the packages.
The small one held a 4TB WD Blue drive.
The larger one held our Shuttle OmniNAS KD20 (serial number fits the old one), its cables and power supply and another small package.
The second small package held a 5TB WD Black drive.

Wow.

Although there's totally no explanation on what happened with the NAS! We can understand that the two drives are new, because we turned in 2x 4TB WD Green drives and got a 4TB Blue and 5TB Black back.

Edit: I found the details on what they did with the NAS, it was hidden behind the address label. They've tested the fan and found it failed, and replaced that. They also tested the power button LED and found it failed, so replaced that as well. Good thing I can read German as the whole testform was in that language. :)

I've added the Blue to the RAID5 array in the NAS, which will now be 10.83TB. Should be enough for now. Holly gets the 5TB for backups in her IcyBox, I get her 2TB so together with my other 1TB I can make backups via my Gembird USB3.0 HDD stand. At present backing up my Windows partition.
4678) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69065)
Posted 19 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, so Tuesday is the new Monday, which was the new Tuesday for one week?

Edit: just 9 days left.
4679) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69056)
Posted 18 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll know in 10 days. Or you can ask Jason G, if he remembers. ;-)
4680) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69052)
Posted 18 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, 10 days left.
4681) Message boards : GPUs : Quadro FX3700 (Message 69051)
Posted 18 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I really should start writing answers longer than just one sentence...

Or in code. :)

I'm guessing the problem here is the missing link from libOpenCL.so to libOpenCL.so.1 . The newer BOINC version is smarter and checks both file names. If you remember you are the one who got David to make that change.

Ah all right, but then a next time do explain that to the user as well. ;-)
And no, I don't remember that I did that, but then I don't remember half of he options and bug fixes I managed to get into BOINC. Old age and memory. Sigh.

NVIDIA drivers should come with both CUDA and OpenCL components.

Yes well, that's the thing. I don't think we can easily say the OpenCL component is included in the drivers from Nvidia, for isn't that a separate package on some distros, called opencl-nvidia? Or that it's needed to install an SDK or CUDA Toolkit?

I know that under Windows you just have to install the drivers by and from Nvidia and be done, but under Linux it really depends on the distro if that is supported and that you don't need to jump through additional hoops to get things working.
4682) Message boards : GPUs : Quadro FX3700 (Message 69048)
Posted 18 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
True, the GPU detection is done by the client.
But it's not as if the latest client is the only one which can do that. So updating to the latest available doesn't necessarily fix the detection of OpenCL on the GPU, when e.g. the drivers used don't have that built in.

You know how to ask Linux to check what drivers are installed, perhaps best begin there? :-)
Or is an SDK needed?
4683) Message boards : GPUs : Quadro FX3700 (Message 69044)
Posted 18 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
OpenCL is installed by the videocard drivers, not by BOINC.
4684) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 69027)
Posted 17 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stuff is slowing down. It gets increasingly difficult to come here and at Seti. Tomorrow (18-04, 05:12 local time) is the 110 year anniversary of the big 1906 San Francisco earthquake. Let's hope nature's not planning a jolty celebration.

Ah, to keep an eye out: http://earthquaketrack.com/v/sf/recent
4685) Message boards : Questions and problems : event log: "CPU cache full" - which cannot be the case (Message 69026)
Posted 17 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
17/04/2016 17:51:09 | World Community Grid | Your app_config.xml file refers to an unknown application 'wcgrid'. Known applications: 'mcm1', 'ugm1', 'fahb'

The message gives you a clue as to what the application name should look like. WCG has multiple applications all with their own name.

But if in doubt you can check in the client_state.xml file what the application name is. And remember that you can make one app_config.xml with lines for all the different application names if necessary.

Any idea what an app_config.xml has to look like in order the limit of WCG tasks to 4 running concurrently?

We have a user manual wiki at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual which answers quite a bit of things. In this case, look at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration
4686) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 68996)
Posted 16 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.43 for Android released for testing

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I've updated BOINC on Android to version 7.4.43.

This release contains the following changes:

* Updated Localizations

* Upgraded to OpenSSL 1.0.2g

* Upgraded to LibCurl 7.48.0

It should start showing up on your devices within a day.

It will be promoted to a production release barring any new issues with the client within a week or two. So if you see anything new or weird, please speak up and email this email list.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk
4687) Message boards : Android : No Credit for SETI@Home on Android (Message 68982)
Posted 14 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would post a comment on the SETI boards, but I can't complete a work unit for credit, and you need recent credit to post a comment or make a new thread.

You only need a RAC higher than 1 (one) to be able to post in the Seti Message Boards forum, but the Questions and Answers forum is free for all.
4688) Message boards : Questions and problems : ERR_NOT_FOUND -161 (Message 68960)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Am I to understand that you only have an SSD in that computer, no hard drive next to it? Because otherwise you might want to consider that, as HDDs have almost unlimited reads and writes.

The newer SSHDs (Solid State Hybrid Drive) combine 8GB of NAND memory with up to 4TB of hard drive space. The NAND memory is used to cache much used programs so they start up faster.

I bought a Seagate 2TB SSHD for my main computer and will never again look back at mere HDDs. (Great review at http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5748/seagate-desktop-2tb-sshd-st2000dx001-review/index.html)

But that's a simple and cost-efficient solution.
The data directory is a complex directory, and yes it's constantly written to. The unofficial advice is always to place it on a hard drive, in its completeness. If you don't have a HDD, then just place the whole directory in the RAMdisk.

Just linking only part of the data directory to elsewhere is a dangerous thing to do. I'd say, don't do it.
4689) Message boards : Teams : Team Gridcoin - Rewarding BOINC computation (Message 68951)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For some reason, the other thread has been locked (hopefully this thread will not meet a similar fate)

All threads auto-lock after 90 days to stop spammers from using them as their vessel to sell their crap. Yours will fare the same fate, unless you or others periodically add content to it.

Clicking on the (report post image) on the locked thread and requesting that a moderator opens the thread so you can add to it is also a possibility. As long as you then add content to it within the next 24 hours, else it'll auto-lock again.
4690) Message boards : Questions and problems : Changing wallpaper (Message 68946)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Right-click on a free space on your desktop->Personalize->Screen Saver->Seti it to None or to something other than BOINC->OK.
4691) Message boards : Questions and problems : ERR_NOT_FOUND -161 (Message 68944)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why haven't you just moved the whole data directory to the RAMdisk?

As I explained earlier, you can point out in the (Windows) Installer where BOINC should put the data directory. All of it.

So please, uninstall BOINC.
Move the data directory with everything in it (default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\) to the RAMdisk. If it's still outside, then move the Slots directory back into the BOINC data directory.

Now reinstall BOINC and in the third screen in the installer click Advanced.
Choose the second path on the next screen to point to your new data directory on the RAMdisk.

And I hope you make backups to USB, SSD or HDD, for if the power fails and you lose everything in the RAMdisk.
4692) Message boards : Questions and problems : Orange Pi PC (Message 68941)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project may not have this type of application. Projects don't develop applications for every possible operating system under the sun, they cannot afford to do so.

But you best ask why they don't have this application available in their forums. (Pointing to forums where you can post without a RAC > 1, in case you don't have credit for them yet).
4693) Message boards : Questions and problems : ERR_NOT_FOUND -161 (Message 68940)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, assuming that this -161 error does in fact indicate an inconsistent client_state.xml file, would the (only) method to get a consistent file not be to uninstall BOINC completely, i.e. also deleting all data in the Projects (and Slots) folder? In other words: to start BOINC complety from scratch?

Again, uninstalling BOINC will leave everything in the data directory intact, this includes the slots folders and contents, the projects folder and contents, and all files in the data directory.

Removing the project(s) from BOINC will do what you intent, delete all that and more.

But, my question again is: would this step most probably eliminate my problem? Or are there major chances that the problem is located somewhere else?

I cannot answer the question with full 100% certainty. Heck, not even with 50% certainty. So no, the problem could lay elsewhere as well. Even still with an undetected problem with the hard drive, or with something that broke in Windows.

Only through testing can you figure out what may be the cause.

One other option you have is to uninstall BOINC the normal way, then move the data directory to a whole different place, either another place on the same drive, or a different partition, or a different hard drive. Then you reinstall BOINC, in the installer -third screen click Advanced- point to where you put the data directory in its new place, and then continue installing BOINC, before testing if that fixed things.

If that did fix things, there's a problem with the sectors of the hard drive where the directory originally was stored, or with the master file table.
If that didn't fix things, the problem may be in the complete data directory, or Windows still.
4694) Message boards : Questions and problems : ERR_NOT_FOUND -161 (Message 68937)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a chance that the client_state.xml file would no longer be "inconsistent" after re-installation of BOINC?

Uninstalling BOINC does nothing against files in the data directory. Everything in the data directory will be left intact, as else you cannot upgrade BOINC without constantly losing everything in that directory.

Is also not what we asked, what we asked was:
e.g. ATLAS@home, open BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view->)Projects tab->select ATLAS@home->click Remove->Acknowledge->Tools menu->Add Project->choose ATLAS@home->Next->Yes, returning user + details about account->Next/Finish.

This deletes the Atlas project from the hard drive, out of the \Projects\ folder, and out of the client_state.xml file. Adding it again will add it anew, all new entries.

Cons: All in progress work will be removed this way, any not reported work that ran fine will get deleted and you may not get credit for it.
4695) Message boards : Questions and problems : ERR_NOT_FOUND -161 (Message 68930)
Posted 11 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What caused the system crash?
Did it give a blue screen error? Do you know off-hand what it was?
If not, check with Bluescreenview what problems you may have had the last weeks.

And don't forget to try what Sekerob says, remove and re-add ATLAS.
4696) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68926)
Posted 11 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Smells like they've replaced the RAID card again on Carolyn, what with everything having been totally gone again twice now.
4697) Message boards : Questions and problems : ERR_NOT_FOUND -161 (Message 68925)
Posted 11 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you BOINC people agree to this?

I wrote the BOINC FAQs. So, yes, wholeheartedly. :-)

And, in case my client_state.xml file is inconsistent, what can I do?

I'd start with an elevated sfc /scannow before doing a chkdsk /f /r (if Windows at least).

PS: I am crunching not only ATLAS, but also several other projects. No problem with those. So, why only with ATLAS? Would this problem really have to do with this BOINC file?

You can have a local corruption on the hard drive in the place where the client_state.xml file is. Problem is, the client_state.xml file is the most important file in BOINC, as it stores all the information about all the projects, all the applications and all the tasks, aside from BOINC its state.

ATLAS runs with VirtualBox, right? More complications.

No, I'd do a thorough check of the file system first, then disk check second.
4698) Message boards : Questions and problems : Orange Pi PC (Message 68913)
Posted 11 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then I ran boincmgr and added a project (einstein) and got the files.

Which files did you get?
Actual science applications and tasks, or just the bunch of JPEG images used in Simple View?

Best check the event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E on BOINC Manager) or if that doesn't work for some reason, the stdoutdae.txt file in your data directory.

Why though do you feel the need to run with multiple BOINC clients?
It won't speed anything up, more slow things down, plus it can create havoc.
If you feel that your 4 cores aren't used, that can be set in the preferences.
4699) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68906)
Posted 11 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Monday is the new Tuesday.
Tuesday is the new black.

Yep.

Edit:
Well... http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
Weekly Outage and Initial Catch Up
Every Monday morning (Pacific time) we begin a four hour data distribution outage for database and systems maintenance. The upload/download servers will be offline during this time. Afterwards you may experience connectivity issues for several more hours as the servers catch up with demand. 11 Apr 2016, 15:34:47 UTC
4700) Message boards : BOINC client : stderrdae.txt - repeating error - dir_open: Could not open directory 'locale' from '/var/lib/boinc-client'. (Message 68900)
Posted 11 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wouldn't mind forwarding this to behind the scenes, but would need the BOINC version for that and the operating system it happens on. Also, perhaps, how you install it, and if it's Berkeley BOINC or repository.
4701) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC statistics graph time-line extension (Message 68887)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You mean to tell me that some people don't do this? :-)

Uh, well... The last backup I had was parked on a NAS and then that NAS thought let's stop the fan and cook the hard drives. So the drives went all the way up to 91 degrees Celsius before failing.

Am still waiting for Shuttle to refund me two new 4TB drives, so I can use one of them again for backups.
4702) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68885)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh fudz, I knew I'd forgotten something. :-(
4703) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC statistics graph time-line extension (Message 68884)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Had to check my own statistics there. But yes, the stats will grow to the right of the image.
It is a wise thing to make a backup of the statistics*.xml files every so often. I had my stats files crash after a year and a half and lost a lot of information that way.
4704) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot connect to core client, all data wiped out. (Message 68883)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
My Bonice messages comes back "cannot connect to core client" {email address redacted}, however they cannot get it right I do not have a reliable email.

Whenever BOINC Manager (the graphical user interface) cannot make contact with the BOINC client, you will get a pop-up that states it cannot connect to the (core) client. It does however not state any email address.

What do you mean with they cannot get it right I do not have a reliable email?

Countless hours and Corporate, still does not work. I changer my email to {email address redacted}. I do not believe all my projects were changed, I tried changing email on the Bonics Profile yesterday and thought I was successful, but it would only take my old email address at login here on logon.

All projects are separate entities. BOINC is a separate entity as well.
When you register at one project, or change your account details there, you only change these at that project, not at all projects and not at BOINC.

These BOINC forums here are running off their own database on their own server, on their own IP address on their own internet address.

I also wonder if my name Sunbadger* is sometimes taken as SunBadger* too.

At BOINC and all projects the unique identifier is your email address, not your user name. 1,504 people can run with the username Sunbadger* and all be unique, as long as all of them registered with their own email address.

I have been trying to run Nvidia 3 X 680 as my card and this has been a disaster with PPS Sleive, Gen's many producing errors and usually at the beginning but sometimes at the end and occasionally they are completed and validated.

Uh OK. But you do know that questions about project science applications are best asked at the project? :-)

Ageless question about private email arise out of people with limited or new computer skill afraid of asking an embarrassing question. They should know this, they think, and if I post everbody will think I am stupid. Also forming somewhat of a bond makes it easier to go do the same thing. Just my 2 Cents.

Which is all fine and understandable, but these people should also understand that I have limited time and am not always on these forums. There are many knowledgeable people on here who can help, all within 24 hours as well.

I can't speak for all of us who help, but I for one don't think that any question is stupid. And as long as it's asked in a civil manner, you'll get an answer from me if I know about the subject. Can't say I know much about Linux or OS X though, so that's why it's always better to post in the forums.

[quote I realy do think you do a great job and I have been lurking for years. Cheers to you![/quote]
Thank you. :-)

Always like the compliments. Especially after the crap I had thrown at me by a user at another project. So a heart-felt thank you. :-)
4705) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot connect to core client, all data wiped out. (Message 68881)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've hidden Sunbadger's original post because he or she added email addresses. Since I cannot edit anyone's posts outside my own, and spam bots read these forums, this was the only way I could remove the email addresses and leave the post standing.
My Bonice messages comes back "cannot connect to core client" {email address redacted}, however they cannot get it right I do not have a reliable email. Countless hours and Corporate, still does not work. I changer my email to {email address redacted}. I do not believe all my projects were changed, I tried changing email on the Bonics Profile yesterday and thought I was successful, but it would only take my old email address at login here on logon. I also wonder if my name Sunbadger* is sometimes taken as SunBadger* too. I have been trying to run Nvidia 3 X 680 as my card and this has been a disaster with PPS Sleive, Gen's many producing errors and usually at the beginning but sometimes at the end and occasionally they are completed and validated. Ageless question about private email arise out of people with limited or new computer skill afraid of asking an embarrassing question. They should know this, they think, and if I post everbody will think I am stupid. Also forming somewhat of a bond makes it easier to go do the same thing. Just my 2 Cents. I realy do think you do a great job and I have been lurking for years. Cheers to you!
4706) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC statistics graph time-line extension (Message 68880)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, so Marek, you should remove the first entry line of it and edit the second one, so it all looks like this:
<cc_config>
    <log_flags>
        <file_xfer>1</file_xfer>
        <sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
        <task>1</task>
        <android_debug>0</android_debug>
        <app_msg_receive>0</app_msg_receive>
        <app_msg_send>0</app_msg_send>
        <async_file_debug>0</async_file_debug>
        <benchmark_debug>0</benchmark_debug>
        <checkpoint_debug>0</checkpoint_debug>
        <coproc_debug>0</coproc_debug>
        <cpu_sched>0</cpu_sched>
        <cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
        <cpu_sched_status>0</cpu_sched_status>
        <dcf_debug>0</dcf_debug>
        <disk_usage_debug>0</disk_usage_debug>
        <file_xfer_debug>0</file_xfer_debug>
        <gui_rpc_debug>0</gui_rpc_debug>
        <heartbeat_debug>0</heartbeat_debug>
        <http_debug>0</http_debug>
        <http_xfer_debug>0</http_xfer_debug>
        <mem_usage_debug>0</mem_usage_debug>
        <network_status_debug>0</network_status_debug>
        <notice_debug>0</notice_debug>
        <poll_debug>0</poll_debug>
        <priority_debug>0</priority_debug>
        <proxy_debug>0</proxy_debug>
        <rr_simulation>0</rr_simulation>
        <rrsim_detail>0</rrsim_detail>
        <sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
        <scrsave_debug>0</scrsave_debug>
        <slot_debug>0</slot_debug>
        <state_debug>0</state_debug>
        <statefile_debug>0</statefile_debug>
        <suspend_debug>0</suspend_debug>
        <task_debug>0</task_debug>
        <time_debug>0</time_debug>
        <trickle_debug>0</trickle_debug>
        <unparsed_xml>0</unparsed_xml>
        <work_fetch_debug>0</work_fetch_debug>
    </log_flags>
    <options>
        <abort_jobs_on_exit>0</abort_jobs_on_exit>
        <allow_multiple_clients>0</allow_multiple_clients>
        <allow_remote_gui_rpc>0</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
        <client_version_check_url>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php?xml=1</client_version_check_url>
        <client_new_version_text></client_new_version_text>
        <client_download_url>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php</client_download_url>
        <disallow_attach>0</disallow_attach>
        <dont_check_file_sizes>0</dont_check_file_sizes>
        <dont_contact_ref_site>0</dont_contact_ref_site>
        <lower_client_priority>0</lower_client_priority>
        <dont_suspend_nci>0</dont_suspend_nci>
        <dont_use_vbox>0</dont_use_vbox>
        <exit_after_finish>0</exit_after_finish>
        <exit_before_start>0</exit_before_start>
        <exit_when_idle>0</exit_when_idle>
        <fetch_minimal_work>0</fetch_minimal_work>
        <fetch_on_update>0</fetch_on_update>
        <force_auth>default</force_auth>
        <http_1_0>0</http_1_0>
        <http_transfer_timeout>300</http_transfer_timeout>
        <http_transfer_timeout_bps>10</http_transfer_timeout_bps>
        <max_event_log_lines>2000</max_event_log_lines>
        <max_file_xfers>8</max_file_xfers>
        <max_file_xfers_per_project>2</max_file_xfers_per_project>
        <max_stderr_file_size>0</max_stderr_file_size>
        <max_stdout_file_size>0</max_stdout_file_size>
        <max_tasks_reported>0</max_tasks_reported>
        <ncpus>-1</ncpus>
        <network_test_url>http://www.google.com/</network_test_url>
        <no_alt_platform>0</no_alt_platform>
        <no_gpus>0</no_gpus>
        <no_info_fetch>0</no_info_fetch>
        <no_priority_change>0</no_priority_change>
        <os_random_only>0</os_random_only>
        <process_priority>-1</process_priority>
        <process_priority_special>-1</process_priority_special>
<proxy_info>
    <socks_server_name></socks_server_name>
    <socks_server_port>80</socks_server_port>
    <http_server_name></http_server_name>
    <http_server_port>80</http_server_port>
    <socks5_user_name></socks5_user_name>
    <socks5_user_passwd></socks5_user_passwd>
    <http_user_name></http_user_name>
    <http_user_passwd></http_user_passwd>
    <no_proxy></no_proxy>
</proxy_info>
        <rec_half_life_days>10.000000</rec_half_life_days>
        <report_results_immediately>0</report_results_immediately>
        <run_apps_manually>0</run_apps_manually>
        <save_stats_days>365</save_stats_days>
        <skip_cpu_benchmarks>0</skip_cpu_benchmarks>
        <simple_gui_only>0</simple_gui_only>
        <start_delay>0.000000</start_delay>
        <stderr_head>0</stderr_head>
        <suppress_net_info>0</suppress_net_info>
        <unsigned_apps_ok>0</unsigned_apps_ok>
        <use_all_gpus>0</use_all_gpus>
        <use_certs>0</use_certs>
        <use_certs_only>0</use_certs_only>
        <vbox_window>0</vbox_window>
    </options>
</cc_config>
4707) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68875)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not really.

But I got to say, the anaestethic I got to get me through the procedure was a strong one. All the while I slept it was just lights out, sleep. Then several hours later lights on, awake. No real feeling of the moving of time.

Nice stuff.
4708) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 68873)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And it's back.
4709) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68872)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL!

Yeah, I saw his 'Man' post.
I do seem to be answering the worst kind on the internet. But no more, he's on ignore, his old account as well. And I promise I will not answer any of his further flames. :-)

It does seem that some people get easily upset over absolutely nothing. That his signature is now looking wrong is again something he should take up with BOINCstats, but that probably has to do with his CPID being changed and that it'll take a day or so to untangle on its own. Blaming me for it is of course way easier.

He also completely missed I had answered his question for advice. Instead he just needed to show the world his knowledge of all the four letter swear words he could muster. Got it all copied for prosperity. :-D
4710) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC statistics graph time-line extension (Message 68869)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you did it correctly and exited and restarted BOINC then you should be able to see it immediately.
4711) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68866)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I'm back. Slept most of it.
Just told a person at Seti, who I'd been trying to help and who decided now was the time to flame me, where to stick it. So can't wait what you guys have in store for me. :-)
4712) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC statistics graph time-line extension (Message 68865)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's correct. cc_config.xml is a file that you should make, it doesn't come with BOINC. It can easily be made with a BOINC 7.6 BOINC Manager, at least then it's also in order without typos.

To make a cc_config.xml file open BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view->)Options->Event Log Flags->check benchmark_debug (to take a less intrusive one), click OK.
This saves a fully populated cc_config.xml file to the data directory.

You can edit the cc_config.xml file with any standard ASCII editor, you don't need a fancy XML editor for it.

After changing the value of the statistics, you can disable the event log flag again (BOINC Manager->Options->Event Log Flags->uncheck only benchmark_debug (leave file_xfer, task and sched_ops checked, these are the defaults), click OK.)
4713) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC statistics graph time-line extension (Message 68863)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sure that's possible. Using the core client configuration cc_config.xml file with this entry:

<cc_config>
   <log_flags>
   </log_flags>
   <options>
       <save_stats_days>3665</save_stats_days>
   </options>
</cc_config>

This will try to save the statistics for approximately 10 years, unless they corrupt earlier. The value between the tags is in days.

Under OS X cc_config.xml is saved in /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/
4714) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68855)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks.

That was an interesting thing to go through, after they sprayed the back of my throat with the anaesthetic spray, it felt quickly as if I couldn't swallow anymore. Then I went into uncontrollable coughs, felt big lumps back there. In a half panic at this time, breathing going difficult....

And the next image I have is that they retracted the endoscope, quickly followed by me staring at the ceiling in the recovery room. Checking my watch I was 20 minutes further in time.

Dozing on and off during the next hour, I slowly awoke fully. And then heard I had to stay for another half hour, because they really wanted to have the spray at the back of my throat wear off fully. So at 17:30 Jord was free to go.

Called our friend who would pick us up, she was with us 20 minutes later.

All this time until I got home I was fully awake, feeling very alert.
Got home, finally ate and drank something, as I hadn't had anything to eat or drink since the evening before.

This is where I felt drowsy again. So went to lay down on bed, with one of my books on my phone. Awoke two hours later with my nose on my phone. ;-)
Was just lights out - lights on, no dreams. Went to the toilet, and back to lay down some further, and for my feeling it was just minutes later again. But it was 22:48h next I got up.

I'll now be around until I feel off again and then I hope I'll sleep through the night. Got absolutely nothing planned tomorrow, just a stay at home day to allow for all bad things to flush from my system in a natural way.

So behave all. Kathryn is watching you like a hawk. :-)
4715) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68850)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the hospital now awaiting my turn for a gastroscopy. Not looking forward to it, but at least I have internet. :)

Got the needle in for the aenastatic (or spelled however).
4716) Message boards : Questions and problems : no usable GPU (Message 68796)
Posted 5 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The computer is a DELL Workstation (Optiplex 7010) at the office, with an onboard intel graphic card (which was used before).

Did you uninstall its drivers?
You might want to run Display Driver Uninstaller, in Windows Safe Mode, to make sure all remnants of it are gone.

Driver (remnants) of GPUs no longer in use have proved to wreak havoc for the detection of GPUs in BOINC before, so please do make sure it's fully disabled and has its drivers removed.
4717) Message boards : Questions and problems : MindModeling not completing tasks (Message 68785)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you haven't done so yet, best report this on the Mindmodeling forums. It's their applications that you have the problem with, so chances are that there's someone over there who knows how to fix it, or if this is normal or not.

Sounds like they're missing a boinc_finish() process.
4718) Message boards : Questions and problems : Need to reset debt (Message 68784)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem is, the REC value isn't calculated by the client, but by the server. So on any next contact you have with projects that have an updated BOINC back end, the value gets reset to the old value, or thereabout.

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/REC-based_scheduler for an explanation.
4719) Message boards : BOINC client : How to configure resource share via command line (Message 68780)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've added http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Local_preferences#Command_Line
4720) Message boards : Questions and problems : no usable GPU (Message 68767)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've installed a new gpu (Nvidia GTX 950) with the latest nvidia drivers 364.72 (64bit) but BOINC does not found it.

You say a new GPU, so are we to believe you had another GPU before this one?
If so, did you uninstall the drivers for it?

If you never had a GPGPU in this system before -I specify a General Purpose GPU, because all computers have a graphics processing unit, as else you don't see anything on the monitor- what was your previous videocard?

Is it possible you need to change an option in the BIOS or on the motherboard to allow for the use of a different GPU?

Or is it possible you need to install (updated) motherboard chipset drivers?
Have you tried to fully uninstall previous videocard drivers, before you install the Nvidia drivers? Especially if the previous videocard was of a different brand, you best clean out the drivers for it before installing the Nvidia drivers.

04.04.2016 12:30:15 | | GPU detection failed. error code -1073740940
04.04.2016 12:30:15 | | No usable GPUs found

Error code -1073740940 (0xc0000374) means that a heap corruption occurred within the program. It can point to a problem with the compiler used for the drivers, or with the hardware itself. If not the GPU, possibly the motherboard it's stuck in. If possible try the card in a different slot on the motherboard, or if that's not an option, in a different computer.

Check that you added the power connectors to the card (one way easy thing to make sure the card doesn't show up...)
How heavy (Watt) is the Power Supply Unit you use in that machine?
4721) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not getting 100% CPU usage (Message 68755)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post the full contents of the global_prefs.xml and if it exists the global_prefs_override.xml files in your BOINC Data directory?

Could you also tell which projects you're attached to, or at least which you have work from and are running -with which applications?
4722) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unhandled Exception Detected... (Message 68739)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Automatic Update Intel ME Drivers

Automatic, as in you allowed Windows to update the drivers?
That's a problem in itself, as drivers available through Windows Update aren't always the best, can lack stability, and lack components required (such as OpenCL).

It's better to stop Windows 10 from auto-updating hardware drivers, and only manually update them if and when needed. Rule of thumb, if a present driver allows you to use the hardware at all the projects it's used at without too many errors, the driver is good and doesn't really need to be replaced.

Not unless you're an avid gamer who needs the latest drivers for the best gaming experience.

2. Windows 10 off video out and stop all activity.

I don't know what you mean with this. Care to explain?

3. Reset and Restart

What did you reset? The project(s) you run?
If so, why would you do that? What is it you're trying to accomplish?
Similarly, what did you restart? BOINC, BOINC Manager, the computer?

4. Windows 10 off video out and stop all activity.
8. Disable autorun boinc

Probably wise, but it wasn't an answer to what I asked in my previous post.
What is crashing?
When is it crashing?
What do you do when it crashes?
What gives the 0xC0000005 error?
Windows 10 32bit, 64bit?

[img link]

You can add that image to your signature in the board preferences. That way you don't have to post it at the end of posts, and people who don't want to see things like that can disable the signatures.
4723) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unhandled Exception Detected... (Message 68729)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without you telling what you did, on which Windows -besides W10- and what is actually crashing, just posting the access violation isn't very useful.
4724) Message boards : Web interfaces : Cannot login to Einstein account (Message 68705)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great.

We love to give a good smacking, but only within reason. :)
4725) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multibrand GPUs BOINC Manager confused (Message 68704)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please fully exit BOINC and then restart it, then copy and post the start-up messages from CTRL+SHIFT+E? The first 40 to 100 lines will do.

And before you go add an image again, you can select text in this log, then use the Copy All or Copy Selected buttons to copy the text to clipboard and use CTRL+V to paste it in an answer window here to post.
4726) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68703)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hallelujah! Praise your favorite deity!
The Shuttle NAS and both the WD drives (the dead one and the one with read problems) have been returned to the reseller, who's going to see what they can do about things.

Past Wednesday I emailed the reseller as of course I hadn't heard of them since last Wednesday. Asked for a status update on my complaint. Got an email back within 2 minutes that my complaint was valid and that they would send the RMA numbers to me soon. Which they did the next day, 3 RMA numbers, one for each HDD, one for the NAS.

I immediately bought a new HDD for our array, as I was already foreseeing that this wasn't going to be a simple swap of hardware, defunct out, new in. The new drive came in today, so I hot-swapped the WD out and put this new Seagate in (same model as the other two). The array is now rebuilding itself. Will take approx. 24 hours.

At least when the resellers gets my things back, I may have a second NAS plus two new or refurbished HDDs. At least the second NAS would give us options for backing up. And then turn it off when not in use.
4727) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68698)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
New Youtube function, available on all videos: Snoopavision, whereby you can view all videos in 360 degrees... with Snoop Dogg.

More goofs at http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/apr/01/april-fools-day-2016-best-jokes
4728) Message boards : Web interfaces : Cannot login to Einstein account (Message 68694)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
At https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu//edit_passwd_form.php I end up on exactly that page. (at stricken CPDN as well, btw)

I do know there are some problems with Einstein and I do hope Christian is making a pass by this thread later on. Especially since I don't have any problems logging out and back in at Einstein.

Perhaps it's the browser people use?
Or a setting in that browser (not store cookies, for instance)?

I use Pale Moon 26.1.1 (x64).
4729) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68693)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice!

Jonathan Green, director of BBC Store says wrote:
We know from the growth of vinyl sales over recent years that purists love classic formats and so we are responding to this growing trend by offering BBC Store customers the chance to own copies of their favourite TV shows in the much-missed and timeless format of video cassette.
4730) Message boards : Web interfaces : Cannot login to Einstein account (Message 68690)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I seem to remember that clicking on "change password" lead to a page where one had to enter the current password, and then the new password twice.

No, it's always been a page on which you have to fill in your new password twice, you never had to fill in your old password. Especially nice if you've forgotten that one.
4731) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 68681)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
April
James Noble, 94
Patty Duke, 69
Ronnie Corbett, 85
Andy Newman, 73, of Thunderclap Newman
4732) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68647)
Posted 30 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fresh from Eric Korpela, through email:
Carolyn (our BOINC database server) went down last night. Looks like a raid card problem. We're working on it. Will give an estimate shortly.
4733) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68643)
Posted 30 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe they've given up. Thrown the spanner down and see it tomorrow. ;)
4734) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68639)
Posted 30 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isaac is a new one on me.

You're posting on it: it's the BOINC domain server, and the second one already after the first one mysteriously died from one moment to the next.

Edit: the "new" isaac server is what was formerly muarae3; muarae2, 3, and 4 are/were general compute servers.
4735) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problenm with conection with task manager (allweays active) (Message 68615)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If simple view:
BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view...
Options->Computing preferences->Daily schedules->Check "Transfer files only between X and Y: set a start and end time between which BOINC is allowed to use the internet. Times run between 00:00 and 24:00 and can swap through midnight, e.g. 21:00 - 06:00

When satisfied, click OK. Changes made to the local preferences are used immediately.
Next click the Activity menu in BOINC Manager and make sure that Network activity is set to based on preferences.

These preferences can also be set in the projects you've got added to BOINC, in the global computing preferences. They only have to be set at one project.
4736) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68614)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
After a long long load time, I see the forums are back.
Edit: but the status page disagrees.
Edit two: ah, now it agrees.
4737) Message boards : Questions and problems : O1AS20 I tasks - Error while downloading (Message 68588)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, is there a question you have?
If how to overcome the download error, perhaps ask at Einstein? Maybe that they require a BOINC 7 to run these tasks.

All your errors are of files it cannot find. So can also be something on your end that blocks the download of these tasks, firewall, anti-malware programs etc.
4738) Message boards : Server programs : How to get clients information in boinc daemons (after starting the project) (Message 68582)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's all information you can read from the BOINC database: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DataBase
4739) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68571)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, at least the guys on board the Ross Revenge have fun, doing their Easter Radio Caroline broadcast in the middle of this bad weather. You can listen to them via their website (click the Easter icon). :-)
4740) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1714 (Message 68570)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows Installer is not just an installation program; it is an extensible software management system. Windows Installer manages the installation of software, manages the additions and deletions of software components, monitors file resiliency, and maintains basic disaster recovery by using rollbacks.

In addition, Windows Installer supports installing and running software from multiple sources, and can be customized by developers who want to install custom programs.

The Windows Installer includes the following functionality:

  • It restores the original computer state if there is an installation failure. Windows Installer keeps track of all changes that are made to the system during the program installation process. If the installation does not succeed, the installer can restore the system to its initial state. This is known as "rollback."
  • It helps prevent certain forms of inter-program conflicts. A program that is being installed or removed may cause problems with another program already on the computer, or even to cause the computer to stop responding (hang). The installer enforces installation rules that help prevent conflicts caused when an installation operation makes updates to a dynamic-link library (DLL) file shared by an existing program, or when a removal operation deletes a DLL file shared by another program.
  • It diagnoses and repairs corrupted programs. A program can ask the installer to determine whether an installed program has any missing or corrupted files. It can then ask the service to repair that program as necessary by copying again only those files found to be missing or corrupted.
  • It reliably removes existing programs. The installer can reliably remove any program it previously installed, and remove all the associated registry entries and program files, except for those shared by other installed software.
  • It supports the on-demand installation of program features. The installer can be instructed to initially install a minimal subset of a program. Later, additional components can be automatically installed the first time you use a feature that requires additional components.
  • It supports unattended program installation. The installer supports the ability to script a program installation according to administrator instructions.

4741) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multibrand GPUs BOINC Manager confused (Message 68569)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
&lt;use_all_gpus>0|1&lt;/use_all_gpus>
If 1, use all GPUs (otherwise only the most capable ones are used).

This is AFAIK only needed when you have two or more GPUs of the same brand. Or 2 GPUs of one brand and 2 of another. It's as far as I know not needed when you have one GPU of either brand.

His log also shows it's not needed as his AMD and Nvidia GPUs are asking for work.

The 9:22 request for work was not honored because it was done inside the scheduler back-off time.

BOINC 7 will ask for work based on the low water mark preference of Store at least N days of work, and do so for the GPUs first, CPU second. Or in the case of multiple GPUs and them being different brands, the device in the motherboard slot 1 first, slot 2 second, CPU third, etc.

It would appear the Nvidia GPU is the primary GPU and being served first, the AMD GPU will get work in cache when it's its time.
4742) Message boards : Documentation : Advanced FAQ has a broken link (Message 68562)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
See? The human race can't all be ready for that. Especially not when Windows 10 is free. ;-)
4743) Message boards : Documentation : Advanced FAQ has a broken link (Message 68560)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As it so happens, i do have a solution for that!

I doubt the human race is ready for it, but do tell. :-)
4744) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.22 doesn't start from Win7 taskbar (Message 68559)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I prefer to put an icon on the taskbar to make the manager easier to open - as opposed to start - to do whatever needs doing.

Ah, I hate pinning things to the task bar, as then you never know if they're running or not. I use the launch bar instead.

But that aside, when you look in Windows Task Manager (right-click on the task bar->Start Task Manager, in the window that opens click the Processes tab) is the boincmgr.exe process running? If so, how many times? What if you click on it/them and click End Process->Acknowledge, then try to run your BOINC Manager once?

Also, what if you right-click on the BOINC icon, do you have a "Restore"? If you do, try to click that.

One other possibility is that it crashes and leaves some info about that in stderrgui.txt, which can be found in Start->in Search type %APPDATA%/BOINC and hit Enter. (full link is C:\Users\User name\AppData\Roaming\BOINC)
4745) Message boards : Documentation : Advanced FAQ has a broken link (Message 68555)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah yes, the Microsoft FixIt utility, but that doesn't work on Windows 10, so if you find a one-thing solution for that on your travels, let me know. In the mean time, thanks.

You sure you don't want that account for the Wiki? ;-)
4746) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.22 doesn't start from Win7 taskbar (Message 68554)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
long story short, boinc manager won't start from the taskbar.

Perhaps this time we do need the long story?

But...
the icon lights up a little and the circle spins for a few seconds, then nothing.

Are you sure it's not already running?
What does Windows Task Manager say in the Processes tab?
4747) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1714 (Message 68544)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
1.Why not have the installer get the current version of the installed BOINC.
Go to your server.
Download the correct MSI file. and run it.

Because the problem isn't with installing the new BOINC, it's with uninstalling the old one.

The new Windows Installer will check in the Windows registry if there exists an entry for the old BOINC's path to its uninstaller, and if found, start that uninstaller to uninstall the old BOINC. Only when that's done will the new BOINC be uncompressed out of the BOINC.msi archive and installed.

The problem is really that Windows forgets the path to the old BOINC's uninstaller and no matter how many capital letters you throw at me, there is no sure way to fix that other than jump through a lot of hoops.

2. Why not provide the BOINC.msi file by itself. That way people know they can get it from a secure place.

How do you come to that conclusion? Anyone can make an executable installer and call it BOINC.msi. You ought to know that when you get the installer from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php that this is a secure place. Not only that, it's THE address where BOINC comes from.

But even with all that in place, hypothetically, if hackers take control of the server, they could put anything on there. We've seen that with the hacked download of Linux Mint not too long ago.

Plus, as you'll see when you read on, Windows doesn't necessarily know what to do with an MSI package. You need the Windows installer for that to work correctly.

3. During the install. Why not make a copy of the MSI file to the install directory.

Because a copy of the BOINC.msi that's used to install the last version of BOINC was already stored in C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\{Unique 32 character hexadecimal code}\, and the path to this {Unique 32 character hexadecimal code} is also written into the Windows registry.

It's this path that Windows forgets.

Please see https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/310598 for all details about what the Microsoft installer/Windows installer does, apart from this:
The Windows Installer technology is divided into two parts that work in combination; these include a client-side installer service (Msiexec.exe) and a Microsoft Software Installation (MSI) package file. Windows Installer uses information contained in a package file to install the program.

The Msiexec.exe program is a component of Windows Installer. When it is called by Setup, Msiexec.exe uses Msi.dll to read the package (.msi) files, apply any transform (.mst) files, and incorporate command-line options supplied by Setup. The installer performs all installation-related tasks, including copying files to the hard disk, making registry modifications, creating shortcuts on the desktop, and displaying dialog boxes to prompt for user installation preferences when necessary.

When Windows Installer is installed on a computer, it changes the registered file type of .msi files so that if you double-click an .msi file, Msiexec.exe runs with that file.

Each MSI package file contains a relational-type database that stores instructions and data required to install (and remove) the program across many installation scenarios.


Apropos
Come up with real solutions. Berkeley is supposed to be a place where you learn that sort of thing.

I do not work at Berkeley, do not live there or elsewhere in America, do not go to school there, I certainly do not get paid to be here.

I'm a volunteer moderator here on the forums, I live and work in The Netherlands and in my free time I try to help on these and other forums.

It's really not much fun when people on their first post just throw shit at you, claiming you're not doing your utmost best to try to help fix the problem, but instead just try to shift the blame to elsewhere. Had you done the slightest bit of legwork and searched for yourself, you would've easily found that this really is a Windows problem, not one of Berkeley or mine.
4748) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Professional Reboot (Message 68543)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I suspected, in all projects bar Bitcoinc Utopia you err on 0xc000026b, so follow the advice I gave above on adjusting the videocard drivers. Or stop using the Intel GPU on these projects.

The exit code 195 (0xc3) error on Bitcoin Utopia means that their wrapper failed. Probably again due to driver trouble.
4749) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc client auto-update (Message 68542)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's possible to do so, and the code is even in the client, it's just not being used as it isn't secure enough.

The developers realized that it would be a security risk, where if hackers would break into the BOINC server they could use the auto-update feature to easily distribute malware around.
4750) Message boards : GPUs : Is there a simple way to disable/enable a GPU? (Message 68541)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, not at this time.
4751) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Professional Reboot (Message 68535)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, the error you have at Seti is: (unknown error) - exit code -1073741205 (0xc000026b)

In Windows, error 0xc000026b means "The device has no drivers installed, or the drivers are configured incorrectly".

I see that you're using the Intel GPU built into the Intel CPU you have. It requires correct drivers with correct OpenCL to do work at Seti (and possibly other projects). The latest driver -that Windows 10 always wants to install- is not necessarily the best driver for the GPU, because it needs to be compatible with the projects and their science application.

You can do this by telling Windows 10 not to search for and install driver updates (see http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/stop-automatic-driver-updates-windows-10 for how to do that).
Then you have to go to the Intel support website and download the drivers from there, like these. Download them, save them to disk or your desktop, then (double-)click them to install them.
4752) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Professional Reboot (Message 68534)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
With links to example tasks, I mean, for example the Seti task you're pointing to:
Right-click on the TaskID number, from the drop-down menu choose "Copy link location" or "Copy shortcut", then to post that link here in an answer window, right click in the answer window and choose "Paste", or left-click in the answer window and press CTRL+V on the keyboard.

Like so: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4813847527

What you've now done is impossible for me to follow, because I really don't know which projects have which applications. Which is also why I asked for the projects you've got added and have this problem with.
4753) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to set ressource share for WCG ? (Message 68532)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's called Weight.
My Contribution->My projects->Choose which projects you want to run with->Save->Device profile page->choose the profile you want (but let's say Default)->scroll down to Cross Project Settings and change the value for Project Weight->Save.

That changes the resource share on WCG.
By the way, resource is spelled with just one 's'.
4754) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 Professional Reboot (Message 68531)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tasks restarting from the beginning points to a project science application that does no checkpointing. WCG does have a couple of those. There's nothing you can do about that, other than not reboot or run the tasks to the end first.

As for the error while computing, under the taskID it gives a more in-depth error message that may give a clue as to what happened.

BOINC does like it much when it is writing the task state to disk while at that moment the computer reboots, because it can't gracefully exit at that moment. Easy workaround here: exit BOINC before you allow the computer to reboot.

Which projects is your BOINC attached to that have these problems? Links to examples?
4755) Message boards : The Lounge : These are no longer with us, may they have peace. (Message 68517)
Posted 25 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good gods, is 2016 the year of Celebrity Death?

January:
- David Bowie, 69
- Alan Rickman, 69
- Dan Hagerty, 74 (The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams)
- Henry Worsley, 55
- Black, 53 (Wonderful Life)
- Sir Terry Wogan, 77
* And all these people and animals.

February:
- Joe Alaskey, 63
- Maurice White, 74 (Earth, Wind & Fire)
- Eddy Wally, 83
- George Gaynes, 98
- Vanity, 57 (Vanity 6)
- Boutros Boutros-Ghali, 93
- Paul Gordon, 52 (B-52s)
- Dave Needle (inventor of the Amiga chip)
- Wesley A. Clark, 88 (developed the predecessor of the personal computer)
- Tony Burton, 78 (Rocky)
- George Kennedy, 91 (The Naked Gun)
* And all these people and animals.

March:
- Martha Wright, 92 (The sound of music)
- Tony Dyson, 68 (Designer and maker of R2-D2)
- Nancy Reagan, 94
- Michael White, 80
- Sir George Martin, 90 (producer of The Beatles)
- Sylvia Anderson, 88 (Thunderbirds)
- Frank Sinatra, Jr., 72
- Paul Daniels, 77 (British magician)
- Larry Drake, 66
- Rob Ford, 46
- Gary Shandling, 66
- Johan Cruijff, 68
4756) Message boards : Questions and problems : climateprediction.net - User total score is reducing (Message 68516)
Posted 24 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Credits are given out by the projects, not by BOINC. So any problems with the credits are best asked at the project forums. In this case a thread is already busy on the CPDN forums: Total Credit.

If you scroll to around the 24th of March 2016, there's an explanation that: Andy thinks it is the pre-22011 credit that has gone. Andy is the project's administrator. He's since fixed it and people should get their credit back now.
4757) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Request: Date Received (Message 68511)
Posted 24 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, there won't be any further changes made to the set up of the present columns in BOINC Manager.

Information like this is already available in present BOINC, under the properties of the tasks.
4758) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68480)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
In other news, got word today that the company that should take back my NAS and replace my broken hard drives is finally looking at my complaint. This after I had given them 2 more weeks to come to a solution 2 weeks ago in a registered letter to them.

During the two weeks we didn't hear a thing.
So today I emailed the complaints and disputes office they're assigned to, who have immediately ordered this company to take action. I've just heard that the company is now looking into my complaint. Whatever that means.

All I want is for the NAS to be returned to Shuttle for them to fix it, and for my 2 broken hard drives to be replaced as under warranty.
4759) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd (--version: boinccmd, built from BOINC 7.2.42) does not works at all (Centos 7) (Message 68479)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The error you get is one you get when the permissions on the BOINC directory aren't correct. Can you do any other commands with boinccmd?
Commands:
 --client_version                   show client version
 --create_account URL email passwd name
 --file_transfer URL filename op    file transfer operation
   op = retry | abort
 --get_cc_status
 --get_daily_xfer_history           show network traffic history
 --get_disk_usage                   show disk usage
 --get_file_transfers               show file transfers
 --get_host_info
 --get_message_count                show largest message seqno
 --get_messages [ seqno ]           show messages > seqno
 --get_notices [ seqno ]            show notices > seqno
 --get_project_config URL
 --get_project_status               show status of all attached projects
 --get_proxy_settings
 --get_simple_gui_info              show status of projects and active tasks
 --get_state                        show entire state
 --get_tasks                        show tasks
 --get_old_tasks                    show reported tasks from last 24 hours
 --join_acct_mgr URL name passwd    attach account manager
 --lookup_account URL email passwd
 --network_available                retry deferred network communication
 --project URL op                   project operation
   op = reset | detach | update | suspend | resume | nomorework | allowmorework
| detach_when_done | dont_detach_when_done
 --project_attach URL auth          attach to project
 --quit                             tell client to exit
 --quit_acct_mgr                    quit current account manager
 --read_cc_config
 --read_global_prefs_override
 --run_benchmarks
 --set_gpu_mode mode duration       set GPU run mode for given duration
   mode = always | auto | never
 --set_host_info product_name
 --set_network_mode mode duration   set network mode for given duration
   mode = always | auto | never
 --set_proxy_settings
 --set_run_mode mode duration       set run mode for given duration
   mode = always | auto | never
 --task url task_name op            task operation
   op = suspend | resume | abort


What if you do?
boinccmd --get_state
Or?
boinccmd --run_benchmarks
4760) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd (--version: boinccmd, built from BOINC 7.2.42) does not works at all (Centos 7) (Message 68475)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
bam.boincstats.com

I'm pretty sure that the URL needs http:// or https:// in front of it. Have you tried that?

boinccmd --join_acct_mgr https://bam.boincstats.com your account name your account password

BAM is HTTPS these days as well.
4761) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1714 (Message 68474)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The following is for advanced users only.

Start->search, type regedit and hit Enter.
Acknowledge we're going to run the registry editor.

If we're starting anywhere in the registry, scroll all the way up on the left pane, click to close all classes, finally select Computer.
Next click Edit->Find.
In the Find window, type in BOINC.msi (with BOINC in capitals, msi is lower case), and make sure to check Keys, Values and Data in the "Look at" option.
Click Find (or Find Next).

Each key it next finds, delete the whole key. You may go back to the left pane window and select the big numbered value (e.g. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Installer\Products\F9AC6B406BDBCE6419993E4EA4F82C55)
Right click this value, click Export, find a nice place to save this key and name it something. Then hit Enter.
Next hit Delete on the keyboard, click OK (or whatever key to acknowledge) on screen.

Afterwards press F3 on the keyboard (Find next), wait for the next value to come up, repeat the above.

And all this until you're through the registry.

If this doesn't work for some reason, do make sure you searched for the correct key.
After this try to install BOINC:
32bit BOINC - boinc_7.6.23_windows_intelx86.exe
64bit BOINC - boinc_7.6.23_windows_x86_64.exe

Now, there are reports that the Install/Uninstall tool by Microsoft FixIt (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/mats/program_install_and_uninstall?wa=wsignin1.0) doesn't work under Windows 10. You may try it anyway. Save it first to someplace, then start it.
If it's truly not compatible, you could try to run it in compatibility mode.

If that still doesn't work, I think you best run by the Microsoft forums and ask them how to fix this problem, as it is really a broken Windows Installer/Uninstaller/registry problem that's leaving you high and dry. You can point them towards this thread to see what you all did.
4762) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd (--version: boinccmd, built from BOINC 7.2.42) does not works at all (Centos 7) (Message 68469)
Posted 22 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
boinccmd --join_acct_mgr [anything] *** ***

a) is the BOINC binary running when you use boinccmd?
b) which account manager are you trying to add?
c) do you have an account already at that account manager?
4763) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem installing BOINC client (Message 68467)
Posted 22 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There was a time when it was possible to have a simple view screen without any of the "File" and "Options" text menu on it, by (double-)clicking on the edge of simple view. That however isn't reproducible anymore with the present 7.x versions.

The fix for that was to edit its screen position values to default, if I am not mistaken. But that doesn't seem to be the problem here. Perhaps we both need a better description. :-)
4764) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem installing BOINC client (Message 68445)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhh... try resizing the window?

Also a possibility, make sure you're not in Simple View.

If it looks similar to

click View->Advanced view.
4765) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1714 (Message 68441)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The thing here is, it's a Windows Installer problem, the problem isn't with BOINC and so removing all you can find about BOINC in the registry is totally unnecessary. Lesson for a next time.

As I said, the problem is with Windows, it forgets where it put the uninstaller of the BOINC that is installed and that is invoked by the installer of the new BOINC.

Normally, running the installer of the old BOINC with the repair option will fix this problem. Windows will know again which BOINC it was and which directory it was installed in.

You may still be able to fix it that way.
You do need the exact same installer as before, so if the 64bit version, then again the 64bit version.

Too bad Microsoft made their own FixIt tool incompatible with Windows 10, or at least it apparently won't run under Win10.

Another option is to remove all BOINC.MSI occurrences on your computer.
To do so open Windows Explorer, type BOINC.MSI in the search and make sure it searches through C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\
Select all it finds and delete them all.

Here it's only necessary to remove the BOINC Install entries in the registry, found at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
Delete that key.

Then try to install the new BOINC. Make sure that if you changed the path to the data directory, that you edit it again to the new path under Advanced (3rd screen in the installer), or else BOINC will make a new data directory in the default place.
4766) Message boards : Projects : which of the projects has high RAM usage? (Message 68435)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most projects have two kinds of forums, one for active users with a RAC higher than one, and a Help Desk section for those without credit or a RAC lower than one.

In the case of Lattice, those are called Questions and Answers, and can be found (also from their menu) at http://boinc.umiacs.umd.edu/forum_help_desk.php.

For BURP these are called Problems and Help at https://burp.renderfarming.net/forum_forum.php?id=5.
4767) Message boards : Teams : Need help with account, trying to join a team. (Message 68432)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Teams are only used on project pages, or when you make your own through the BOINC Wide Team page at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/.

Here on the forums, or the front page, or anywhere else on the BOINC domain other than the BWT page teams aren't used and so you cannot join one.
4768) Message boards : Projects : which of the projects has high RAM usage? (Message 68426)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you click any TaskID with a computation error, you'll get into details of what the error is.
But I suspect that the problem in this is your Windows XP Professional 64bit SP2.
You probably best ask at the projects involved if they support this OS.
4769) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU task starved because CPU busy with other tasks (Message 68411)
Posted 20 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do know that all GPU applications need CPU time. The application that does the calculations on the GPU runs on the CPU, and only sends data to the GPU that it can do the calculations on.

On some projects, including Einstein, the Fast Fourier transform algorithm can only be accurately calculated on the CPU. So for each task the FFT runs on the CPU, while the 'space-data' is sent to the GPU.

As for running processes in realtime, it's not something you'd want to do as it may slow your computer down so much that you can't do anything on it anymore. At this priority the process runs at a higher priority than your mouse, your keyboard and your disk cache. This means that anything you will try to do to stop the process in a case of emergency will be ignored, or get through extremely slowly.

If you're worried you'll lose out on credits by telling BOINC to use one less CPU core, do know that any GPU can always out-perform any CPU, and thus make up for that with ease.
4770) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68400)
Posted 19 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny guys at Bitdefender. Both of the systems that still run Bitdefender AVP16 have run into the problem that part of the icon cache is damaged and that several programs sit with a broken icon. Ironically this includes the Bitdefender icon.

We've managed to downplay it so far that it's caused by the Ransomware prevention module in AVP16. Turn off the module and we can repair the icons, turn it back on and the icons break again.

So here I went and emailed Bitdefender about it.
In the mean time I also emailed them about the problem that the Stop button on the Update process doesn't work when AVP16 runs in Auto-pilot mode. I would expect I would still be able to stop it from doing an update, but no, it ignores everything I do. As if I am a virus.

Disabling Auto-pilot all works without a flaw. Pressing Stop stops the update process within a minute. Just as you would think a stop button would work.

Bitdefender replied with their support tool, could I use that to send them all the innards of the machine and a description of my problem(s). Did that and got their standardized answer back: I have Malwarebytes and Superantispyware installed on one of these systems. I should know by now that those are a big no-no. I should uninstall these and then try again.

Stupid default help script over there.
As if Superantispyware and Malwarebytes prohibit Bitdefender on Autopilot from reading if the user clocks on the Stop button. And that they don't do so when Auto-pilot isn't on.

What kind of volatile combination do they become that they break stuff like this? I still haven't had an answer from them how they thought the combo killed explorer.exe on my system, a thing that Kaspersky still hasn't done. I haven't had any problems yet with Kaspersky. Weird.
4771) Message boards : Projects : which of the projects has high RAM usage? (Message 68398)
Posted 19 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Preferably not any VirtualBox, but a more up-to-date one. Depends also on your Windows version, if Windows 10 a minimum of 5.0.10 is required for compatibility reasons.

Also, the newest available from the VirtualBox download page is not always the best as it may not be compatible with all the projects using VBox. But that's then best asked at the projects in question.

At the moment BOINC 7.6.22 ships with 5.0.10, test-versions of BOINC 7.6.23 and higher ship with 5.0.12, VirtualBox has 5.0.16 out. But you can get older builds easily from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_5_0.

Don't forget to enable Virtualisation VT-x/AMD-v in your computer's BIOS.
4772) Message boards : Projects : which of the projects has high RAM usage? (Message 68395)
Posted 19 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, in that case you may want to look at the ATLAS project, which uses applications running in VirtualBox. It can easily gobble up a lot of memory.
4773) Message boards : GPUs : Another GPU detection problem with AMD - ubuntu 14.04 - SIGSEGV (Message 68393)
Posted 19 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC error -108 can means:

1. "cannot find the file or the directory it's in", because the file or directory is hidden.
2. BOINC finds that the file is open and in use by another process, or BOINC cannot write to the file.
3. The file being written to is still locked due to an earlier abnormally terminated reading or writing process.
4. Permission problems. BOINC is running as a different user than the one that installed it/has permission to write to files in the directory.

Solutions are:
1. not to hide files/directories.
2. exit & restart BOINC.
3. restart computer.
4. run as the user with full permissions, or adjust the directory/file permissions that this user can write to them.
4774) Message boards : Projects : which of the projects has high RAM usage? (Message 68392)
Posted 19 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why would you want to use a lot of memory?
4775) Message boards : BOINC client : How is minimum work buffer in days translated to work uits? (Message 68332)
Posted 16 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wish we could get developers to increase that limit.

It's not something BOINC or its developers did, but it's something the Seti project did.

They set the limit, because of the database size. At present it's several terabytes big, they really don't want it to grow exponentially big at this time with the extra chance of it crashing, so they imposed the download limit of 100 tasks for the CPU -even if it's more than one CPU or one with more than one cores- and 100 tasks for the GPU (but is it here 100 per GPU, or 100 for all GPUs if more than one?)
4776) Message boards : Projects : Creating a preconfigured BOINC server in the Amazon cloud in five minutes (Message 68319)
Posted 15 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've emailed Daniel, we'll see if he answers.
4777) Message boards : Android : Android:Uppercase example. Computation Error: Output file for the task is absent (Message 68282)
Posted 14 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll see if I can find one of the developers to look over the scripts. Can't guarantee anything. Otherwise one of the Linux gurus may be able to help out.
4778) Message boards : Android : Android:Uppercase example. Computation Error: Output file for the task is absent (Message 68280)
Posted 14 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you post the error as it shows in the TaskID on the web site, in your account->computers on this account->the device with the problem->Tasks->Task details of the tasks with the computation error.

Or could you otherwise post the messages log of around such an error?

The 'Output file is absent' is usually at the end of the error, there's always a lot of stuff before that.

E.g.
8/6/2008 2:24:21 AM|Einstein@Home|[error] Process creation failed: Access is denied. (0x5)
8/6/2008 2:24:22 AM|Einstein@Home|Computation for task h1_0228.00_S5R4__46_S5R4a_0 finished
8/6/2008 2:24:22 AM|Einstein@Home|Output file h1_0228.00_S5R4__46_S5R4a_0_0 for task h1_0228.00_S5R4__46_S5R4a_0 absent
4779) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTC Power To Give (Message 68273)
Posted 14 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow, of all the Android apps, the HTC app is still going and being updated?
Which version is it at by now, 7.6.22?

What project(s) do you run on it, if I may ask?
4780) Message boards : Projects : SETI might be a was of CPU time (Message 68261)
Posted 12 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
We do have an edit button, you can edit your posts within an hour after posting it. There's no need to post 4 times in a row, and there's certainly no need to try to get the discussion as to why I hid your one post in the open. Not doing that anymore.

May I remind you of the rules on the left when you post? Handle them loosely, but keep them in mind. The right of free speech comes with the capability to handle it, yours seems broken seeing all the accusations and flaming (also in my direction).

Flaming me gets you nowhere, it'll only get you banished by another moderator.
Oh, and we are still not the Seti forums. Perhaps you best move the whole discussion to there, so that the moderators in that forum can decide if it's a thread for keepers or for goners.
4781) Message boards : Android : Progress constantly being reset (Message 68255)
Posted 12 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC for Android is not under development. The present BOINC available is updated to run without much problems under Jelly Bean and Lollipop. Anything above that, if it works it's fine, if it doesn't there's really not much there can be done about it until a developer has been found who wants to make a new BOINC app for Android.

One thing you may want to cross-reference is that it isn't the WCG science app doing the resetting of its progress, perhaps because it isn't checkpointing. Checking this thread at WCG, it would seem at least one of their apps isn't checkpointing, which means that when you pause or exit BOINC, then resume or restart it, progress starts from the beginning.
4782) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 68254)
Posted 12 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN administrator wrote:
Hi All,

I am afraid there has been an issue with the main CPDN project database machine. We are currently investigating the issue. Meanwhile the project has been taken offline whilst we investigate. We hope to restore access to the project as soon as we are able to.

With regards,

Andy
4783) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc doesn't compute anything anymore on El Capitan (Message 68253)
Posted 12 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:

Sam 12 mar 12:42:22 2016 | | Reading preferences override file
Sam 12 mar 12:42:22 2016 | | Preferences:

Sam 12 mar 12:42:22 2016 | | don't use GPU while active

Sam 12 mar 12:42:22 2016 | | Suspending GPU computation - computer is in use

Your preferences are set to only use the GPU when the computer is not in use (aka idle). So any tasks running on the Intel GPU will suspend as long as you're on the keyboard or mouse.

From the messages we cannot see if you also allow the CPU to be used.

Furthermore, you have at least one task that's past the deadline and still not finished:
Sam 12 mar 12:42:22 2016 | SETI@home | Task 24my11af.15765.23380.11.38.178_1 is 0.07 days overdue; you may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it.

This may cause BOINC to stop asking for work, because there is no sense in asking for work if the system is not capable of returning it within the deadline. So either abort the task or finish it, then report it and see what BOINC does next.

If it's allowed to use both the CPU and GPU and ask for work for both, that'll show.
4784) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU is busy. (Message 68252)
Posted 12 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's something that the preference Suspend when non-BOINC CPU usage is above N % does. Setting this preference to something more than the default 25%, or to disable it to 100%, will stop this message and the suspending.

It's an extra security measure that makes BOINC suspend when another program on your system uses a lot of CPU, which may interfere in the running of BOINC/the science application, or the program that's running (think a backup program).
4785) Message boards : Questions and problems : Vista installation (Message 68251)
Posted 12 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally, when nothing happens at the start of a Windows Installer, the installer is corrupt and you best redownload a new version to a new directory.

It's also possible another (older) installer is still running, so check in task manager->processes that there are no MSIEXEC.exe and TrustedInstaller.exe processes running. Also check under "running processes of all users".

You have of course checked that your anti-virus or other anti-malware program / firewall isn't blocking the execution of the BOINC installers?
4786) Message boards : Projects : SETI might be a was of CPU time (Message 68231)
Posted 11 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please keep it all business, there's no need to flame to and fro.
4787) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 68228)
Posted 11 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN administrator wrote:
Hi All,

I am afraid there has been an issue with the main CPDN project database machine. We are currently investigating the issue. Meanwhile the project has been taken offline whilst we investigate. We hope to restore access to the project as soon as we are able to.

With regards,

Andy
4788) Message boards : Promotion : Google Summer of Code (Message 68212)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Back in 2009 David answered me they'd tried to apply and had been turned down for three consecutive years. I don't think they'll try again now that BOINC is under governance.


I don't know this.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10370
4789) Message boards : Promotion : Google Summer of Code (Message 68210)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Back in 2009 David answered me they'd tried to apply and had been turned down for three consecutive years. I don't think they'll try again now that BOINC is under governance.

Other years showed that individual BOINC projects have made use of the summer of code to get applications built. Perhaps that there are some again this year.
4790) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slow typing (Message 68209)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Currently Boinc Client is running at 0.2-0.5% CPU and the System tray icon is at 0% and I can see 4 processes that I think are the apps and each appear to be 0% CPU, waiting for the user activity to end!

09/03/2016 12:45:58 | | Suspending computation - computer is in use
09/03/2016 12:45:58 | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use

Those show it isn't BOINC then.
Have you checked further in Task Manager Processes (perhaps with show all users), what takes up the CPU?
What kind of anti virus do you have, could it be aggressively interfering?
4791) Message boards : Questions and problems : http transient error in upload: retval -184 (Message 68200)
Posted 8 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
<http_transfer_timeout>20</http_transfer_timeout>
<http_transfer_timeout_bps>10</http_transfer_timeout_bps>


Defaults for these are 300 seconds and 10 bytes per second. 20 seconds may be a bit low.

Thanks for that, I forgot to say something about that last night.

The other ones are:
<max_file_xfers>2</max_file_xfers>
<max_file_xfers_per_project>1</max_file_xfers_per_project>

Is the internet connection you have so slow that you only allow files to be up- and downloaded one at a time per project with a maximum of two overall, cross-projects?
4792) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68186)
Posted 8 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see Windows Update has KB3035583 again, plus KB2952664 (definite we want to plant Windows 10 on your system updates), and one sneaky important update KB3138612 which will update the Windows Update client and although MS says it is to fix problems with Windows Update, most probably will add the nagware: advertisements about their new flagshi(t)(p).

KB2952664, our old "compatibility update" for upgrading Win7 to Win10, is back. The KB article says it's now up to revision 18. I wrote about this patch less than a month ago and have been writing about it since it first appeared in April 2014.

KB2976978 performs the same service for Windows 8 and 8.1.

KB2977759 does the same, except it's for Windows 7 systems that don't have Service Pack 1 installed.

KB3138612, version 1.0, is a new version of Windows Update, destined for Win7 and Server 2008 R2. Microsoft doesn't exactly describe what's new, but it does say that this version of Windows Update supersedes last month's KB 3135445.

KB3138615, version 1.0 -- a new version of Windows Update for Win 8.1 and Server 2012 R2 -- supersedes last month's KB3135449.
4793) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68185)
Posted 8 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tsk. How dare you, they've all been anxiously awaiting your arrival and you've made them wait. Sorry I am late to corral them all, but I've been sleeping for 3 hours, due to painful problems with my neck- and shoulder muscles.
4794) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc is not completing jobs for ATLAS (Message 68184)
Posted 8 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
maybe dedicated ATLAS-forums?

ATLAS, being a project, has its own forums. In it, there's a thread that speaks of your problems: http://atlasathome.cern.ch/forum_thread.php?id=360. So best report this behaviour there.

BOINC is the managing program, it doesn't actually run or finish the calculations, that are functions of the project's science program.
4795) Message boards : Questions and problems : http transient error in upload: retval -184 (Message 68164)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are the full contents of your cc_config.xml file?
4796) Message boards : Questions and problems : BUG? BOINC 7.6.22 Kernel Panics on OS X 10.11.4 beta 15E56a (Message 68162)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doing a couple of Google searches, it would appear that your AMD Radeon r9 m395x GPU is overheating your computer and that that is causing the kernel panics. Easily tested with temporarily turning GPU computing off (BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view->)Activity->Suspend GPU).

If that fixes things, you'll have to check into options to make sure that your OS X turns the fans on when it's needed, or waiting until Apple comes with a solution to this problem, not use the GPU for calculations.
4797) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request: free core(s) for special application/calculations (Message 68149)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's also the &lt;ncpus> option still in cc_config.xml which can do this. Although it says it's used for testing more CPU cores than the system has, you can also set it to use less cores than the system has.

So, using this on a quad core CPU will let it use two cores:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<ncpus>2</ncpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

To disable &lt;ncpus> use the value -1.

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<ncpus>-1</ncpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

Using boinccmd --read_cc_config you can quickly switch between these options.
4798) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68123)
Posted 4 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For 7-zip I already tried to go through its GUI's Tools->Options->7-ZIP and check the options I want for the context menus. As the machine's administrator of course, because with your own account -even if that's an administrator- that doesn't work.

But even that doesn't give me the options to "Open archive", "Extract here" and "Add to archive". Same thing with TortoiseGit, I can install it and try to get its context menu items, but they won't show in the right-click.

It's as if I miss part of the right-click menu, where these entries are entered.
And aside from resetting my registry to default (aka 2009), and option I don't want to follow, I'm hoping for a miracle and that I can fix it manually.

On directories I have "Share with", "Include in library" and "Send to", but no other cascading menu that opens to the left or right. On zip files I do have the "Open with->7 zip manager" option. Checking the registry though I saw I didn't even have a ".7z" extension registered, so really something not well here.

Executables, where I previously had the option to add these to an archive, I now no longer have that. And am trying to find where in the context menu that sits, and what else may be under that, that I may miss, so I can fix that part of the context menu.

Comparing registry entries would be nice. When I know which ones to check in on.
4799) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox version 5.0.12 or 5.0.10? (Message 68122)
Posted 4 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, there appears to be a mishap between what's advertised and what's in it. 7.6.22 does indeed come with VBox 5.0.10, all alpha and beta versions above that come with 5.0.12. Development is notified, with thanks.
4800) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68120)
Posted 4 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Avast Free, AVG free

These two plus Avira Free don't do much viral hunting, but more look into your system what you do with it and what you install and sell that to advertisement companies so they can spam you with it.

Spybot doesn't do any hunting, just blocking (and via the registry these days, which can make for pretty large&bloated registries, no fun if you want a speedy Windows).
Malwarebytes checks only for malware, not for virii.

On the up-side of my wobbling Windows, I managed to get the 'open with' right-click function fixed. Despite various registry add-ons via Sevenforums, I finally managed to fix it by adding it manually to HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Background\shellex\ContextMenuHandlers

7-Zip still doesn't show up here, though. No matter what I do.
Also still have trouble with all kinds of options I had on right-clicking executables.
4801) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68108)
Posted 3 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
End of the line is that I bought a two year, one PC license from Kaspersky to have on this system. Bitdefender tried with a whole new uninstall tool, but in the end the outcome was the same.

So if Kaspersky works, why do difficult?
4802) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 68105)
Posted 3 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.31 released for Mac.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
We have a new version 7.6.31 of BOINC available to test on the Mac.

Changes since 7.6.18:

All the changes Rom listed for Windows build 7.6.29 are included, except that the Mac version 7.6.31 has updated SQLite to 3.11.0 and FreeType to 2.6.2.

In addition, both the Mac and Windows builds have:

* a number of improvements to stability, security and efficiency.
* fixes and other improvements to the information displayed in the Manager.
* improved identification of some GPU model names and capabilities.
* various bug fixes.

Cheers,
--Charlie
4803) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 68104)
Posted 3 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.29 released for Windows

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

A new version of BOINC is available to test out on Windows.

The big changes in this release are:

* Updated translations
* Updated libCurl to 7.47.1
* Updated OpenSSL to 1.0.2g
* Updated SQLite to 3.10.2

We did add one new feature which we have named the cookieless install feature. We do not have a project setup to test this new feature yet. At some point, we should have a test project setup to test this new feature.

We developed cookieless installs in collaboration with World Community Grid.

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu
Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
4804) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 68103)
Posted 3 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.31 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.29 -> 7.6.31

  • Mac: update Xcode project, build scripts and build instructions to use cURL-7.47.1, OpenSSL-1.0.2g and SQLite 3.11.0.

    Note: OpenSSL-1.0.2g eliminates support for SSLv2, but cURL expects that support, so using their default builds causes link errors in the client. I work around this by having the build script patch curl-7.47.1/lib/curl_config.h to remove SSLv2 from cURL. An alternate solution would be to pass the enable-ssl2 argument to configure when building OpenSSL-1.0.2g.
  • Mac: Fix bug in script to build curl-7.47.1 with ssl v2 disabled.


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.31
- boinc_7.6.31_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.31_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.31_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

4805) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 68100)
Posted 3 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.29 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.23 -> 7.6.24

  • Example App (uppercase): Fix recursive header error in Mac Xcode project.
  • SCR: Fix Mac screensaver for building with libc++ and c++11
  • Mac: Modify build script to allow building using libc++ instead of default libstdc++ and / or using c++11 language dialect instead of default.
  • WCG: New feature 'cookieless installs'.
    See: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SimpleAttach#CookielessInstalls.
  • LIB: Fix build break.
  • Mac: Add project_init.cpp, project_init.h to Xcode project.
  • MGR: Fix for converting std::string to wxString for Mac and Linux.
  • MGR: Add missing commit from previous merge for the cookieless install scenario.
  • MGR: I'm not sure what I was thinking, but the attach wizard should always run if the client isn't attached to any projects.
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.24 -> 7.6.25


  • WINBUILD: Update for cookieless install.
  • MGR and client: Add more missing code from the cookieless install merge.
  • WINBUILD: Update the custom actions.
  • Mac: Fix comments in build script.
  • WINBUILD: Since the installer custom actions now depend on libboinc and parts of it can be shared with other platforms, move it into a more neutral location.
  • LIB: indentation, initialization of double with int (from: Steffen Moeller)
  • WINBUILD: Fix copyright text in the installer bootstrap executable.
  • WINBUILD: Update VS2013 project files

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.25 -> 7.6.26


  • Mac: Fix comments in build script .
  • WINBUILD: Since the installer custom actions now depend on libboinc and parts of it can be shared with other platforms, move it into a more neutral location.
  • LIB: indentation, initialization of double with int.
  • WINBUILD: Fix copyright text in the installer bootstrap executable.
  • client: Cleanup some dangerous function usage in boinclog.
  • WINBUILD: Update VS2013 project files.
  • LIB: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up strcpy and strcat use.
  • LIB: Add missing header.
  • LIB: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up strcpy and strcat use.
    Use safe_strcpy and safe_strcat when dealing with non-pointer data types.
  • lib: white space issues.
  • API: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up strcpy and strcat use.
    Use safe_strcpy and safe_strcat when dealing with non-pointer data types.
  • MGR: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up strcpy and strcat use.
    Use safe_strcpy and safe_strcat when dealing with non-pointer data types.
  • WINBUILD: Fix building the client simulator on Windows.
  • client: Let strlcat handle dealing with the buffer size and suppress the security warnings again.
  • LIB: Revert back the changes to mfile.cpp. It introduced null characters into the state file stream which we do not want.
  • LIB: Remove test/dead code. Apparently test/dead code gets flagged during a security audit as needing to be removed. I suppose it is assumed that everyone has switched over to using unit tests.
  • LIB: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up sprintf. Use snprintf instead.
  • LIB: fix typo.
  • MGR: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up sprintf. Use snprintf instead.
  • SCR: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up sprintf. Use snprintf instead.
  • client: Remove hack for a unsupported version of Windows.
  • client: Cleanup low hanging fruit with regards to cleaning up sprintf. Use snprintf instead.
  • change some sprintf() to snprintf() in lib code.
  • client: fix build break on Mac introduced by commit 2cc9a0b.
  • MGR: Fix build break caused by bad merge 87769d4.
  • MGR: If an attempt to attach to a project fails because a setup cookie expires, null out the setup cookie value so that when the wizard prompts for credentials they are used instead.
  • LIB: Add missing declarations for Windows.
  • client & MGR: Unify the language around the setup cookie feature.
  • MGR: Bring up the attach wizard project welcome page if the project URL has been tampered with by the installer.
    If the project URL is embedded in the installer via project_init.xml (and presumably code-signed by somebody) we can allow the software to automatically attach to that project with a setup cookie or authenticator. If somebody attempts to use that installer for another project, we need to make sure the volunteer knows which project the client is going to attempt to attach to.
  • LIB: Fix build break.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.26 -> 7.6.27


  • WINBUILD: Update WCG installer .
  • MGR: When clicking next on the project welcome page, only go to the account info page if neither the authenticator or setup cookie are present. Otherwise attempt to attach with either.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.27 -> 7.6.28


  • WINBUILD: Update WCG build.
  • LIB: Fix XML typos recently introduced during name change.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.28 -> 7.6.29


  • MGR: If using either an authenticator or setup cookie to automatically attach to a project and a bad password error occurs, push the account info page onto the page transition stack.
    We want the volunteer to go to the account info page when they hit the 'back' button instead of the project welcome page or some other page.
  • MGR: Hitting 'next' on the project welcome page should cause the wizard to call the get_project_config RPC. Otherwise the terminology will not be correct for WCG.
  • MGR: Make sure the title text on the project properties page and project processing page match.
  • MGR: Fix-up the previous attempt to push the account info page on the stack and reduce the complexity of the page transition mechanism now that we only have one wizard.
  • MGR: Make sure we populate the static control texts on either the 'next' or 'back' events.
  • WINBUILD: Update WCG build.
  • client sandbox: In switcher, satisfy an error / warning from rpmlint: ensure that we drop any supplementary groups associated with root.
  • Fixed generate_svn_version.sh when building on detached head.
  • BUILD: Fix build break on NetBSD.


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.29
- boinc_7.6.29_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.29_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.12 included
- boinc_7.6.29_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.29_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

4806) Message boards : Questions and problems : Optimal BOINC Computer build (Message 68088)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, what is your maximum budget?
4807) Message boards : Projects : DROWN Attack (Message 68078)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Additionally: https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2016-March/000066.html

OpenSSL Security Advisory [1st March 2016]
=========================================

NOTE: With this update, OpenSSL is disabling the SSLv2 protocol by default, as
well as removing SSLv2 EXPORT ciphers. We strongly advise against the use of
SSLv2 due not only to the issues described below, but to the other known
deficiencies in the protocol as described at
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6176


Cross-protocol attack on TLS using SSLv2 (DROWN) (CVE-2016-0800)
================================================================

Severity: High

A cross-protocol attack was discovered that could lead to decryption of TLS
sessions by using a server supporting SSLv2 and EXPORT cipher suites as a
Bleichenbacher RSA padding oracle. Note that traffic between clients and
non-vulnerable servers can be decrypted provided another server supporting
SSLv2 and EXPORT ciphers (even with a different protocol such as SMTP, IMAP or
POP) shares the RSA keys of the non-vulnerable server. This vulnerability is
known as DROWN (CVE-2016-0800).


...
4808) Message boards : Projects : DROWN Attack (Message 68077)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something for project administrators who read here to check into, or anyone who runs their own server, really. See if your server is safe from a DROWN attack: https://drownattack.com/#

DROWN is a serious vulnerability that affects HTTPS and other services that rely on SSL and TLS, some of the essential cryptographic protocols for Internet security. These protocols allow everyone on the Internet to browse the web, use email, shop online, and send instant messages without third-parties being able to read the communication.

DROWN allows attackers to break the encryption and read or steal sensitive communications, including passwords, credit card numbers, trade secrets, or financial data. Our measurements indicate 33% of all HTTPS servers are vulnerable to the attack.


They have a checker on the site to see if your domain is vulnerable.
David ran it on the Berkeley domain and found that BOINC and Seti@Home are not vulnerable. Phew.
4809) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68070)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup, and no answer of them today. Not interesting enough.
4810) Message boards : BOINC client : Sonicwall Vulnerability Alert on BOINC traffic (Message 68063)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The file in question is: 11oc10ad.146832.18881.10.37.86

That's a data file from the Seti project, without which you cannot do any calculations. It contains no executable information, nor will it use the network or internet.

The BOINC client (boinc or boinc.exe) requires access to the internet over TCP ports 80 and 443. It further requires access to TCP port 31416 to BOINC Manager (boincmgr or boincmgr.exe) while it (BOINC Manager) requires the same port to communicate back to the client (boinc). If applicable when used.

BOINC Manager can make use of the network when it's used to command and control a client on another computer. This may use a different port number specified by the other client.

Science applications shouldn't make use of the internet or network.

IP address 208.68.240.119 is part of Berkeley, I believe it's the one of the two back-bone servers of the Berkeley campus through which data is routed to Seti@Home. So it's a normal server.
4811) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68059)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bitdefender HD says, we don't believe all other security programs are off your system, send a new supporttool 7zip file in so we can check.

They might be correct.

They're talking BS.
1. Superantispyware and Malwarebytes Anti-malware are installed on the other two systems as well. There no problems.
2. Bitdefender starts normally on the system with the crashing explorer.exe, it is about the only program that starts normally.
3. What kind of security protocol should crash the Windows shell of any user in order for you to uninstall other programs? What's the use of annoying your client so much to do so?
4. Why continue to hammer onto that, when there's nothing on here anymore?
5. And this is via a helpdesk that sends one email a day. One per 24 hours, if that. Only workdays, as the one I had to do with all weekend was of Thursday!
6. To get into contact with their helpdesk, you require the use of Internet Explorer, as none of the other browsers (including mainstream Firefox and Chrome) are capable of getting the initial form to work. With those browsers you're in a continuous loop of choosing your package and what help you want, then choose your package and what help you want, then choose your package and what help you want. That's service!
4812) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 68054)
Posted 29 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Been fighting Bitdefender's Helpdesk the past couple of days. I bought a 2 year, 3 PC license for AntiVirus Plus 2016, which works fine on two systems but which manages to crash my Windows shell just moments after logging in. Meaning that my desktop is totally black, and although I can start Task Manager (using CTRL+ALT+DEL) and see that AVP starts, I cannot see anything else, or click on anything, or do much of anything with Windows.

So Bitdefender HD said it was due to me having installed Superantispyware, Sophos anti-rootkit and Malwarebytes Anti-malware. I have those installed on my other two systems as well, and there they have no problem with AVP, so I know already that ain't the problem.

But diligently, I uninstalled all the other programs, rebooted, installed AVP, rebooted aaaaaannnnnddddd... black screens. Can only reboot, into safe mode, uninstall AVP, reboot and Windows works again.

Now, if that ain't a problem with AVP, then I don't know what clue one must have... Bitdefender HD says, we don't believe all other security programs are off your system, send a new supporttool 7zip file in so we can check. AVP cannot work together with other security programs. Can anyone spell out BS?

So... today I installed Kaspersky, just to see. It works, I can reboot, I can get back into Windows. Uhm. The only niggle it has is when I deactivate e-mail protection, I get a warning that that is bad. But I don't have any e-mail programs installed...

Have given Bitdefender until Friday to get their act together and give real help, instead of blaming other programs. They sound like the Microsoft Windows 10 helpdesk who blame other programs for things going haywire in Windows. If not fixed, I want my money back and we'll move to Kaspersky on all systems.
4813) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Remote task control (Message 68048)
Posted 29 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
4814) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing "msi" (Message 68046)
Posted 28 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you tried any of the other options in the FAQ, like install the previous version of BOINC over itself to incur a repair installation?
4815) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 68025)
Posted 26 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do i want out of this life?

A new battery for your keyboard?
A spell-checker?
4816) Message boards : GPUs : Individual preferences for 2 GPUs (Message 68024)
Posted 26 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are no individual preferences for more than one GPU.
When you set Activity of something to 'run always' it will run always. Only when you set 'run based on preferences' will the preferences be followed. But those are for all GPUs, not individually.

You should be able to do it by running a script or batchfile that you run prior to walking away from the keyboard. You can run it to change the client core configuration (cc_config.xml file) to change between
<cc_config>
  <log_flags>
  </log_flags>
  <options>
       <ignore_nvidia_dev>1</ignore_nvidia_dev>
  </options>
</cc_config>

and
<cc_config>
  <log_flags>
  </log_flags>
  <options>
  </options>
</cc_config>

The above example will in the first case ignore Nvidia GPU1 in the system. You say you have two GPUs, I assume in this case that they're both Nvidia and numbered GPU0 and GPU1.

Because GPU decisions take place at BOINC start only, the script will have to exit the client and restart it with these cc_config.xml files.

If you want help with that, let us know. We'll probably be able to write something up if you tell us more information and if you feel you want to walk this way.
4817) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slow typing (Message 68021)
Posted 26 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm just wondering, the VirtualBox version you have is only for Cosmology, right? I'm not so sure if their application that runs in VBox does so well on only 1 CPU core, but that's something you should ask Marius on their forums.

Although I do see in their FAQ that it's a known issue, that computers slow down. However, you still may want to ask if you should run this application of theirs on just 1 or 2 cores. Especially since you seem to limit BOINC to run applications on just one of the two cores.

max CPUs used: 1
4818) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slow typing (Message 68006)
Posted 25 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
25/02/2016 16:59:26 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 384MB, 351MB available, 167 GFLOPS peak)
25/02/2016 16:59:26 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6200/6300/7200/7300 series (Wrestler) (driver version 1800.11 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.11), 384MB, 351MB available, 167 GFLOPS peak)

You have a GPU, is any work running on it?
You can check that in BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Tasks->Status.
If anything here shows something alike Running (0.04 CPUs + 1 AMD/ATI GPU) then your GPU is being used for calculations, which indeed can cause slowdowns.

That's why the default setting for the GPU is to only be used when the computer is idle, aka no one at the keyboard or mouse for an N amount of time.

25/02/2016 16:59:26 | | Reading preferences override file

Since you are using the local preferences, please go to Options->Computing Preferences->Computing->check "Suspend GPU computing when computer is in use"->click OK.

Make sure that Activity shows "Use GPU based on preferences".

Test with that please and report back if that stops your system from slowing down.
4819) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Remote task control (Message 68004)
Posted 25 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please give some more information, like:
1. Is it on the same network or is it on the internet?
2. Are you using one or more BOINC Manager?
3. Which of the two can you not control remotely?
4. Have you checked permissions?
4820) Message boards : Projects : Known dangerous site ??Collatz ?? (Message 67993)
Posted 25 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apologies for troubling you.

You're not troubling me. :-)
No, now my Windows system has been troubling me for three days now with lost context handlers, but that aside. ;-)

Is there anything to be gained in me reporting it as a false positive to Norton?

Other than that they can fix it, I don't think so.

But it could be some script running on the Collatz page that your browser/AV balks on. Consider running the NoScript add-on, if you aren't already. That blocks all scripts from running by default, until you allow them.

Equally, on my hunt here for the missing context handlers, one of the programs I used (Autoruns) declared BOINCMGR.exe a threat and demanded I removed it from my system. LOL.

Edit: Or it could be the SSL certificate replacement, yes.
4821) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 67991)
Posted 24 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.6.23

With thanks to [#1@SETI] Dirk Sadowski for asking what the changes were. I hadn't noticed yet there had been a new (test) release. Change log added here.
4822) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 67990)
Posted 24 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.23 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.22 -> 7.6.23

  • client: AMD decided to put the more descriptive version of the GPU name in a custom extension, so use the custom attribute to get the board name.
  • lib: Add more OpenCL defines and HTTP references to the extension documentation.
  • lib: Add defines for Nvidia specific OpenCL extensions. To be used later.
  • client: acct manager fixes.
    • honor suspend flag for first-time attaches.
    • do initial RPC even if suspended (to get project name etc).
  • client: fix parsing of finish file on Win; caused spurious messages.
  • boinccmd: fix spurious error msg.
  • client: don't count user or project files in transfer limit. We don't want stalled downloads of project image files to block the downloading of job input files.
  • client: Do not attempt to use the board name device attribute for AMD devices if it is empty, like in the case of AMD OpenCL CPU devices.
  • client: fix spurious error message.
  • client (Linux): Reinstate XScreenSaver API-based idle detection on GNU/Linux.
  • Adjusting the failure behaviour of xss_idle to report idle rather than busy, and send a message to the Event Log that X-based idle detection is disabled. Also changed how to handle the 'Always' definition conflict with X.h.
  • Revamped the idle detection after pouring over documentation. This new code should be able to handle all local Xservers as they come and go. Issue with permitting access to Xservers from boinc user resolved (see comments; package managers may include appropriate file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/, otherwise boinc ignores inaccessible DISPLAYs). Pushing for CI checks. Not finished though. This commit has generic debug output that would clutter the event log. I want to add a debug flag and only dump this (noisy, once-per-second) output if the user explicitly asks for it via configuration file.
  • Reinstate and Improve XScreenSaver Idle Detection.

    The set of commits on this pull request: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/1453 first reinstated previously existing code to utilize the XScreenSaver (XSS) X extension when determining a system's idle state (there was also additional DPMS code that was not reinstated).

    Original removal: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/commit/bfae1032e5c1ac73f2d8d92f222293d8383a6cee

    The code would attempt to open a connection to the display at the client binary's DISPLAY environment variable and, if unable to connect, always
    report busy (undesirable).

    The original motivation for reinstating this code was that the remaining idle detection mechanisms did not detect mouse or keyboard movement if
    an Xserver was responsible for them. Only activities in terminals were detected. Through the course of extending and improving this code, the
    following changes have been made:
    • As per "man Xserver", each local Xserver should have a socket file at standard location /tmp/.X11-unix/ with standard naming scheme
    "Xn", where n is the number of the DISPLAY. This code will open this directory and parse its contents for open DISPLAYs, adding them to a
    vector for later interrogation of idle time by xss_idle. If no DISPLAYs were found, a static guess-list from DISPLAY :0 to DISPLAY :6 is set and
    interrogated.
    • xss_idle uses the XScreenSaver X extension's API, as documented at "man 3 xss". Certain checks are performed to determine if the X
    server is accessible, and if so, whether it has the XScreenSaver extension. If it does, then we obtain information on the DISPLAY's idle
    time and determine whether the Xserver is idle or not.
    • The user running the boinc client (typically the "boinc" user for most distributions), must have access to the Xserver for XSS idle
    detection to work. Dropping an appropriate file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ (Debian flavours) or /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/ (Fedora and others)
    should permit Xservers to run something like "xhost +SI:localuser:boinc" on start. If the boinc client cannot access an Xserver/DISPLAY, it
    simply skips it and treats it as though it is idle. If no DISPLAY is accessible, then xss_idle is effectively passed through --xss_idle will
    report the system as idle-- and idle detection is left to other mechanisms.
    • A debug logging flag "idle_detection_debug" was added. If this flag is defined in the cc_config.xml file as "1", then verbose debugging information related to boinc's idle detection determinations is provided to the Event Log. This logging flag may also be utilized by other components of idle detection as/if needed/desired.
  • Mac: update build scripts, Xcode project and build instructions for new third party libraries curl 7.46.0, openssl 1.0.2e, sqlite 3.9.2, FreeType-2.6.2.
  • client: Properly calculate the peak FLOPS of new AMD GPU(s) that only support OpenCL.
    Use AMD's vendor specific extension if it is available to calculate the total number of shaders and determine the peak FLOP rate from that.
    Rom: My new GPU I got for Christmas was only reporting 30% of its peak FLOP rate and does not support CAL.
  • client: add simd_instruction_width to the peak FLOPS calculation.
    A small attempt at future proofing things. The value is 1 on my new GPU, but might not be on higher end cards. Docs implies it should be part of the calculation.
  • client: Remove wavefront detection from AMD OpenCL code path, it isn't used to calculate GFLOPS.
  • client: Add compute capability detection for Nvidia OpenCL devices.
  • client: Adjust the peak flop estimate for Nvidia GPUs when detecting them with OpenCL.
  • client, Win: fix problem if ^Z appears in user-defined fields.
    A user had entered a string in one of the project prefs image URL fields containing ^Z. Windows treats this as EOF and the parse of the scheduler reply fails.
    Solution: open the scheduler reply file in "rb" mode rather than "r".
  • WINBUILD: Update to VirtualBox 5.0.12
  • client: Update commits cf3bbbf & 2cc39ab: when Mac is booted, it can take over 120 seconds before system extension CUDA.kext is loaded (fix occasional failure to recognize CUDA devices when BOINC is launched automatically at login before CUDA has initialized at system boot.)
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.
  • VBOX: Fix header search path errors in Mac Xcode project (port commits c86e8f9 and f707a7e from master).
  • lib, Unix: remove chown/chmod stuff from boinc_copy().

    boinc_copy() is used in both client and server. The chown/chmod was added Jan 6 2009, apparently to deal with a client problem. More recently, error checking was added to the chown/chmod calls. On the server (e.g. sample assimilator) these fail, and boinc_copy() returns error (even though the file was actually copied).

    1) let's not overload functions. Functions in general should do 1 thing. To this end, I moved the chown/chmod to a new function, boinc_copy_attributes().

    2) It's not clear to me that we need the chown/chmod stuff, either on client or server. On the Unix client, we already have FILE_INFO::set_permissions(), which sets the rwx bits of files copied into slot directories, as appropriate. The chown() will be a no-op, since the client creates both the original file (in project dir) and the copy.

    David: So I'm not going to call boinc_copy_attributes() in the client. Let's see if any problems arise in Unix with apps that used <copy_file> for executables.
  • client: Replace a strncpy with strlcpy. Fixes: CID 122367
  • Replace strncpy() with strlcpy() various places.
    Except for very specific cases, strncpy() should never be used. It can result in a non-terminated string.
    Also replace strncat() with strlcat(); the latter is simpler because you don't have to calculate remaining buffer space.
  • Use HTTPS for version check and download page URLs.
    Prevents MIML attacks; doesn't prevent hacked BOINC server. Would need offline signing for that.
  • Use HTTPS also for network test URL, and for WCG custom URLs
  • client: reduce delay restarting tasks after exclusize app exits.
    There was a 20-30 second delay between exclusive app exit and resuming tasks. This was excessive. Reduce it to 5-15 sec (uncertainty is because we check exclusive apps every 10 sec)
  • client: if suspending because we're on batteries, don't suspend NCI tasks. (which don't use significant power)
  • Build: remove --disable-wx-debug
    WxWidgets switched to using -DNDEBUG to disable debugging in version 2.9.1 and enabling it by default. My previous change (530eb18) made the debug version the default and one had to disable the debugging for release builds. This is fixed now and the non-debug version is the default. Now WxWidgets debug assertions are switched on if --enable-debug is specified. fixes #1476
  • XSS Idle Detection Bugfix (XCloseDisplay)
    Apologies. My initial code didn't close the connections to the X displays after opening them. I had thought that falling out of scope would close the connection automatically. However, thanks to a bug report by Dan Merillat that I was able to replicate, I now know better:
    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812835

    This simple adjustment closes the connection to the display (if a connection succeeded in the first place; if XOpenDisplay() failed, it returns NULL and there is no connection). Testing on my end shows that this resolves the issue of the boinc client piling up new connections to
    X servers.


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.23
- boinc_7.6.23_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.23_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.10 included
- boinc_7.6.23_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.23_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.6.23
- boinc_7.6.23_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.23_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.23_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

4823) Message boards : Projects : Known dangerous site ??Collatz ?? (Message 67989)
Posted 24 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of warning, by what exactly?
4824) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slow typing (Message 67987)
Posted 24 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like you have a lack of memory problem, where the system is so busy and maybe swapping to the drive, that it cannot output the keyboard buffer quickly enough for you to see.

How much memory do you have?
Which projects do you run?
On what kind of system?

Can you please post the first 40 to 100 lines from the BOINC Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) after a BOINC start? That'll show us a lot of information.
4825) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67976)
Posted 23 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti just went down. Not sure if anyone is still coming, but you're all welcome. Leave the grudges out the door, though.
4826) Message boards : Questions and problems : came on board in 1998 not 2002 (Message 67975)
Posted 23 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, your Seti registration date is 8 September 1999.

As for Seti's history, read http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/classic.php:
In June 1998 Anderson developed the client and server code in more or less its final form (this time based on an Informix database) and developed the graphics on Windows. Kyle Granger was hired to flesh out the Windows version (screensaver and installer) and Charlie Fenton ported the client software to Macintosh OS 7/8/9 and later OS X (Charlie eventually had a large role in all parts of the system).

In May 1999, after several months of testing, we launched the project.


As for the veiled insult over on the Seti forums, it shows more about you than me. Hope you have a fruitful rest of your life, with other things to worry about, than what the moderator on the BOINC boards answers you.
4827) Message boards : Questions and problems : came on board in 1998 not 2002 (Message 67973)
Posted 23 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. You're on the BOINC forums. BOINC started as an idea in 2001 and has been under development since August 2002.

2. The Seti forums can be reached through https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_community.php.

3. Seti Classic didn't start until May 17, 1999.

4. Seti@Home as it is now was migrated to BOINC in May 2004, and Seti Classic ceased to be in January 2006.

5. All accounts are unique, are based on the email address. While CroNO@snIp.fUd may look different from crono@snip.fud, the Seti server will see both as the same and thus one unique address.

6. Typos in addresses will make them a new address. Email addresses are not check on validity.

7. You have probably got more than one account at Seti, with the newest registered in 2002. Or your memory of 'the facts' is off.

In any case, we here at the BOINC forums can not fix your problem for you. Other than that the BOINC server runs in the same server cabinet as the Seti servers -and that all run from a Berkeley address, and that Seti is one of the projects running under BOINC- we have not much to do with the daily ins and outs of Seti. Any problems you have with the project you have to take up with the project.
4828) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67971)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, you've both emptied your heart, it's over now. Best keep it at that, and if you feel you need to continue the unfriendliness, please do so through PM, or elsewhere. These boards would appreciate it.
4829) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67964)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Left at 3.30pm to go do some sporting, came back at 5.30pm to find everything installed. Some 500 updates waiting for me. Including all those Windows 10 updates.

But so far everything works, is speedy, fresh.
Although my language is set to Dutch, will have to adjust that later on.

First going to install all drivers again. Laters. :)
4830) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67963)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is taking a little longer, copying 4 million files and settings...
4831) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67962)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Administrator password reset: check.
Extra account removed: check.
Turn hibernation off: check.
Check installation key: check.
Backing up all registry: check.
Backing up Pale Moon profile: check.
Downloaded new video drivers: check.
Downloaded new NIC drivers: check.
New motherboard chipset drivers: check.
No new audio drivers, old ones still available: check.

Will do a Windows repair install without updates, hope to be back in 45 minutes.
4832) Message boards : Questions and problems : This seems to be a bug. Work fetch reporting "no tasks available" as "not highest priority" (Message 67957)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best post it as an issue in https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues, there it'll get immediate attention from the developers, if need be.
4833) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request: computing preferences in schedule (Message 67956)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
All BOINC source code is available from https://github.com/BOINC/boinc, or see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient on how to get it per OS.
4834) Message boards : Web interfaces : Suggestion for -message boards (Message 67955)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like it, but you best post this as a request in BOINC github: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues.
4835) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67954)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I got down to choosing between Kaspersky and Bitdefender.

Kaspersky's full system scan took 3 hours and still had not done just my C: drive. So that's when I uninstalled it and tried Bitdefender. The few times that it worked before I had to reboot, it did full system scans in mere minutes.

It really is a speedy bugger, as it uses all the CPU cores to do the scan, and not even fully load them. It's also got protection against ransomware, the newest scare on the block.

When I checked the 'test for 30 days' option I also came across their 'secret' advert: buy 3PC/2year license for the price of 1 year, so it cost me €39,95 instead of €69,95.

And considering that on two systems I'd run with Windows 7 Windows Defender for the past 2 months (aka nothing), it was time I put something back on.
4836) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage limits in projects using virtualization (Message 67953)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You will have to create an apt_config.xml file

Please people, when giving help, check what you are writing.

It's an app_config.xml, with explanation thereof here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration.
4837) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67945)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Especially so, because if you downloaded and installed Linux Mint 17.3 Cinnamon Edition yesterday, it would've been a modified version with a bad backdoor built in: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994
4838) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67943)
Posted 21 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just spent 5 hours getting my system back, after I bought a 3 PC/2 year license for Bitdefender Antivirus Plus. Where it installed without problems on my other two systems, on my private one it gives only trouble. For as soon as I reboot to get the service to run, upon login I have two black screens (2 monitors). Explorer.exe keeps on crashing, no matter what I do.

Trouble is, without explorer.exe you cannot uninstall the offending program, because everything, from Add Remove Programs to checking the directory with Windows Explorer uses the explorer.exe shell.

So I resorted in putting back a restore point, something that this program doesn't make either before it installs itself. It's a bit icky already anyway, as it will uninstall Spywareblaster when it finds it.
But if you only have it mentioned in the registry but not actually installed due to having restored your system to an earlier restore point, at which time the SWB was still installed... the Bitdefender installer will silently exit after giving you a message it cannot find SWB.

Which is irritating, as prior to this one message there is a very slow download happening. I've seen that one 4 times now. Slow? 25 minutes.

So... it would seem I now really have to fix this Windows before I can install AVP16. Tomorrow then.
4839) Message boards : The Lounge : Word link and other games discussion (plus general miscellany) (Message 67927)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thought it was also somewhat of an answer to the previous stalkers. Both are rather annoying. ;-)

But yeah, only 'spammers' is the word, while it's a warning to the stupid who continued to post his spam in that thread and who got his a$$ kicked twice in a row. With thanks to Katherine for picking up on the second time he did so. :)
4840) Message boards : GPUs : Trying to run two GPUs (Message 67918)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
All text in cc_config.xml is lower case.

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
4841) Message boards : Projects : Performance issues since I added cosmology@home (Message 67915)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you asked at the Cosmology forums if someone sees the same behaviour?
Could it be that their application needs the use of all the CPU cores?

Unless someone who runs at least Seti and Cosmology on his system as well passes by, it's difficult to answer.
4842) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 67913)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spammers (are being banished)
4843) Message boards : Questions and problems : mising gpu in new BOINC.... (Message 67911)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
2/20/2016 9:16:49 AM | | Running as a daemon (GPU computing disabled)

You have BOINC installed as a service.

To fix this, uninstall BOINC through add/remove programs.
Reinstall BOINC using the 7.6.23 installer.
In the third screen in, click Advanced.
On the next screen uncheck "Service install".
Then continue the installation as normal.

When installing BOINC as a service, the limited user account that BOINC then runs with is not able to read the driver services, which are sandboxed elsewhere in Windows. This is a Windows security measure, it's not something BOINC can fix.


4844) Message boards : Questions and problems : mising gpu in new BOINC.... (Message 67907)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may think I have it in for you, but really you are not giving enough information for any of us to give a reasonable answer as to what is wrong. That's why we want more information, in the form of:
Post the first 40 - 100 lines from your BOINC Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), including it showing what your BOINC is doing, which project tasks it is running.

By doing so you are giving a lot more information than trying to explain what you saw.

For instance: there never was a "GPU check box" anywhere in BOINC. There are check boxes for the various GPUs in the project preferences, but that's not inside the client.

Loss of the GPU, where it worked before but now no more is usually attributed to:
1. Loss of drivers.
2. Installing BOINC as a service.

Posting the start up messages shows us a lot of information.
4845) Message boards : Questions and problems : mising gpu in new BOINC.... (Message 67902)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please follow https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 to give us more information.
4846) Message boards : Questions and problems : WIN 10 issue....according to Microsoft. (Message 67849)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just as with Windows 7, you can do an in-place repair installation of Windows 10, from within Windows 10. You do need the Windows 10 ISO for that, but will not lose any of your data, settings, files and games.

To see how to do this, see http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/16397-repair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade.html

Other more or less intrusive repairs can be done through the Push button reset.
4847) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67848)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
With all due respect, that's utter nonsense.

..

Sheesh.

Perhaps you want to look up what 'with all due respect' means before posting the complete opposite again.

I wasn't talking about the flimsy cable Richard shows in his photo's, I was talking about the big main fiber going from the houses to the junction and beyond. The one comprising thousands of strands, not just a handful.

Not sure if you know, but here in The Netherlands we bury just about everything, but for the 380KV cables, as it's easier to do so. And there is a lot less risk that a cable breaks due to fire, trees, weather, people or anything in between. I've laid those things in the ground and know from experience how hard it is to weld all those strands together when they break and how much that costs.

Just check out https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcelvandekrol/sets/72157625907867245/ for a lot of images that explain what it is we do with our fiber here.

And yes, I have always learned that you want to lay them as flat as possible, no sudden corners, so as that light won't bleed into the next strand, or have more trouble navigating the strand (and thereby impacting the transport speed of the data).
4848) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67828)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Copper, because you don't string fiber on poles. It needs to be laid underground and as level as possible, so the light going through the strands follows the straightest path from A to B.
4849) Message boards : Android : Which Projects can Use a 64 bit ARM CPU? (Message 67824)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you have the knowledge and the projects you try to run are open source, you could try building their applications yourself, for your Android device with an Intel CPU.
4850) Message boards : GPUs : Why Doesn't and When Will BOINC Support GPUs Via Open-Source OpenCL Drivers? (Message 67823)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think we have some confusion here. There shouldn't be any need to patch wxWdidgets. The early versions of wx 3 weren't perfect and early 7.3/7.4 versions of BOINC weren't perfect either. wxWidgets 3.0.2 and BOINC 7.6.23 should work together just fine.

That was what I was going to look for, the whole discussion behind it, what was broken, where and when it was fixed. But wasn't wxWidgets 2.8 already broken as well at one point for Linux?
4851) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67822)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
We live in a home built in the 1950's, with copper, of course, and the junction box where fiber begins is about 2000 feet away. During the upgrade yesterday, the technician ran up-to-date Ethernet in the basement to help increase the speed, but the limit is probably around 64 Mbps under current circumstances.

You don't require fiber into the house to be able to use high speed internet, copper can do that as well. 10Gbit is capable of using copper, albeit true, it needs new (high grade) copper.

However, just for comparison:
1. I live in a 1960s flat, with coax laid down in the 1980s. My internet connection goes through that coax, and is at presently 200Mbit/20Mbit (D/U).
2. My mom lives in a 1960s house, new fiber was laid down in 1998, but all connections into the houses are still the old 1960s copper wires. She has fiber internet, but doesn't reach speeds above 60Mbit. I don't even know her download speed, I don't think her ISP says what it is as all they throw at you is how fiber is superior.

Their fiber is so superior that their salespeople don't even come to my door anymore to try to lure me over to their speed, as they know they are not able to reach 200Mbit with their present setup. My ISP is, and in the near future I expect speeds to go up again.

Ah, but do I read the 25MB/sec download speed? Yes, I do. Not always, but at times and given that the file is big enough, and there are enough computers pushing, I do. I do not at Steam anymore, as they seem to be limited to 150Mbit in their upload. Updating GTA V through Rockstar's connection though does give me 24.8MB/sec.
4852) Message boards : GPUs : AMD 6450 usable GPU? (Message 67797)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also available from there: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux
4853) Message boards : GPUs : AMD 6450 usable GPU? (Message 67794)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes. As long as you install drivers by AMD, it will work. E.g. the 15.7.1 drivers for Windows will fully install OpenCL on that GPU.

Newer drivers don't support your GPU anymore.
4854) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 67791)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are no separate GPU and CPU tasks. At the moment of downloading work to your computer, it's decided what it's appointed to, the CPU or the GPU. So these cannot be separated.
4855) Message boards : GPUs : Why Doesn't and When Will BOINC Support GPUs Via Open-Source OpenCL Drivers? (Message 67789)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks Ageless! Sorry to make you work for it; if it's not public I guess can't find without your help. No hurry, of course. Feel free to just point me somewhere if you can.

I think some of the discussion happened on the BOINC Alpha list which isn't public, but I should be able to point to discussions on the BOINC Development and BOINC Projects email lists. It's just slow going, as my health has taken a turn back towards coughing my lungs out. So it may take me a couple of days. Sitting with a pounding head behind a monitor makes me want to throw my wireless keyboard from the table. ;-)
4856) Message boards : Android : Which Projects can Use a 64 bit ARM CPU? (Message 67788)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is only the managing program, and since you're running it already on your device, you'll find it is supported.

To be able to do science however, you need a science application made by the project and not all projects have science applications for Android or all kinds of processors, maybe because the CPU architecture isn't right for their calculations, or just because they don't have time and money to invest in developing for all kinds of CPUs.

That is what the message means: the project has no science application available for this type of processor or this type of operating system.

You can check in the http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php list which projects support Android. Then you'll have to check those projects their Applications listing to see if your CPU is supported.

E.g. http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/apps.php supports both the PIE and non-PIE Android running on an ARM CPU. PIE is Android 5.0 and above, non-PIE is Android 4.4 and below, where PIE stands for Position-Independent Executables.

Most projects have a link to their applications page from their front page.
4857) Message boards : GPUs : Why Doesn't and When Will BOINC Support GPUs Via Open-Source OpenCL Drivers? (Message 67780)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have to search through various emails and email lists, not all public for the answers to all your questions. But I will do that tomorrow, am now going to bed.
In the mean time, wxWidgets 3.0.2 available now is all right, if all is well BM will build with that.
4858) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two Boincs, same folder (Message 67776)
Posted 15 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
As Les already said, either OS uses their own executables. Which details are written into client_state.xml, which can only be written to for one platform. Else they'll probably overwrite each other in that file.
4859) Message boards : Questions and problems : Warning: Verisign/Symantec Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate being dropped from ca-bundle.crt (Message 67764)
Posted 15 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Unless the BOINC installed from the raspbian repositories is 7.6.22 or higher, it should contain the older ca-bundle.crt file with the certs still in it. If your ca-bundle.crt still has Verisign Class 3 Public Primary Certification Authority included, it's an older one.
4860) Message boards : Questions and problems : Warning: Verisign/Symantec Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate being dropped from ca-bundle.crt (Message 67761)
Posted 15 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have forwarded this to the developers.
But a question though, does Einstein use a HTTPS connection as well for their server communications? (I know all projects should start doing that soon, but don't know which are already doing it).
4861) Message boards : Questions and problems : Feeling you need to take it out on me? Netiquette is something you do (Message 67760)
Posted 15 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
A small warning for everyone.

Before you feel you need to be petty and punish me for filling up your email/private message inbox with messages about post moves, do know that this is a setting you set yourself. At least, the email one. In Community Preferences, you've set for How should we notify you of new private messages, friend requests, posts in subscribed threads, and other events? either Immediately, by email, or In a single daily email.
Don't want to receive emails on post movements/post deletions etc? Set that preference to On my Account page (no email).

You will still get private messages about it -because someone at some time at Seti, I think it was- asked for this to be hard wired into the forum software, that for everything the moderators did to your posts, you would get a PM about it, for openness and clarity. And if you think you have it tough, consider me, as I get emails about everything and some double when it pertains posts I made: I will get the moderation PM and email and I will get an email because I am the moderator. I get emails about everything I moderatorly do on the forums.

If from now on you think a moderator did something wrong, and he or she really need to be chastised for it, either PM that moderator about it or if it's something you feel you cannot communicate to them directly, email David Anderson about it.
Compliments about what we do are of course also welcome at either channel option.

As for my pet peeve of you quoting a whole big post that someone made one post before yours and you adding a little ditty, or a +1 underneath it, yes, I'd rather you didn't. It is totally unnecessary, it's bad netiquette, and it isn't something you do in daily life either. For I don't believe one minute that in conversation with someone else, you complete repeat what the other just said, before you add your sentence, after which the other guy completely repeats what he said, what you said and adds a sentence, and that 5 times in a row.

So please, when you want to quote, quote that part of the message you want to answer to.
If there are more parts of the original post you want to answer to, answer in-line to quoted text, but delete the rest of the post.
When you want to answer to the previous post, just use the Reply button that's to the left of to the Quote button.

The next person thinking it is funny to pull a stunt like this for no reason whatsoever, will get the a 24 hour banishment.
Again: when you have a problem with the moderating or the messages coming from that, you ask the moderator in private message, or email David Anderson about it.

Thank you,

Jord.
4862) Message boards : The Lounge : Feeling you need to take it out on me? Netiquette is something you do (Message 67759)
Posted 15 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
A small warning for everyone.

Before you feel you need to be petty and punish me for filling up your email/private message inbox with messages about post moves, do know that this is a setting you set yourself. At least, the email one. In Community Preferences, you've set for How should we notify you of new private messages, friend requests, posts in subscribed threads, and other events? either Immediately, by email, or In a single daily email.
Don't want to receive emails on post movements/post deletions etc? Set that preference to On my Account page (no email).

You will still get private messages about it -because someone at some time at Seti, I think it was- asked for this to be hard wired into the forum software, that for everything the moderators did to your posts, you would get a PM about it, for openness and clarity. And if you think you have it tough, consider me, as I get emails about everything and some double when it pertains posts I made: I will get the moderation PM and email and I will get an email because I am the moderator. I get emails about everything I moderatorly do on the forums.

If from now on you think a moderator did something wrong, and he or she really need to be chastised for it, either PM that moderator about it or if it's something you feel you cannot communicate to them directly, email David Anderson about it.
Compliments about what we do are of course also welcome at either channel option.

As for my pet peeve of you quoting a whole big post that someone made one post before yours and you adding a little ditty, or a +1 underneath it, yes, I'd rather you didn't. It is totally unnecessary, it's bad netiquette, and it isn't something you do in daily life either. For I don't believe one minute that in conversation with someone else, you complete repeat what the other just said, before you add your sentence, after which the other guy completely repeats what he said, what you said and adds a sentence, and that 5 times in a row.

So please, when you want to quote, quote that part of the message you want to answer to.
If there are more parts of the original post you want to answer to, answer in-line to quoted text, but delete the rest of the post.
When you want to answer to the previous post, just use the Reply button that's to the left of to the Quote button.

The next person thinking it is funny to pull a stunt like this for no reason whatsoever, will get the a 24 hour banishment.
Again: when you have a problem with the moderating or the messages coming from that, you ask the moderator in private message, or email David Anderson about it.

Thank you,

Jord.
4863) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67748)
Posted 14 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
This sure sounds like Obamacare here in the US, now!!! :-O

That's because Obamacare is based upon the Dutch care system. Less care for loads more money.
https://www.umhs-sk.org/blog/health-care-around-the-world-why-dutch-system-similar-to-obamacare-is-model-for-usa/Caribbean-Medical-Schools
4864) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage limits in projects using virtualization (Message 67746)
Posted 14 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a reason you need to quote my whole post, Gary?
4865) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67743)
Posted 14 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here in The Netherlands the insurance companies also want you to use the cheapest possible medicines, even when in the past you've shown to be having allergic reactions or undisclosed side-effects to these that you do not have against the original meds.

The companies say they do this to decrease the cost of care, which is pure BS. For three years in a row now the insurance companies have managed to get over a billion euros profit, but our cost of care is too high? Ha ha ha ha.

Anyway, sometimes I have a return of my bronchitis, and the insurance company wants me to use a generic version of my penicillin replacement med, as I am allergic to penicillin. The generic version has "all the same ingredients as the original one" they say at the pharmacy, but they don't really, do they? Else you'd give me the original one and not a generic one. As there are differences in colouring, added substances and so fort. Perhaps that the actual medicine is the same, but everything around it isn't.

And so I show a really bad allergic reaction on the generic versions (there are three), which I don't have with the normal one. But each time I go to the pharmacy, I have to fight them again because they want to give me the generic one. And when you're already ill, it's no fun to have to fight someone deciding over you and your health that you should try these first before you're allowed to do the original one.

The worst part is that for me it's perhaps doable to weather a severe allergic reaction with just pain in my lungs, but they do this for people with heart medication as well, knowing fully well that the most probable allergic reaction is death...

Here in The Netherlands it's no longer about health, it's all about the money. We even pay an 'own risk' which is now €385.- per person. You first have to fill up this own risk before you're getting your medical costs reimbursed. That is aside from the hefty monthly subscription you have with your insurance company, and everyone over 18 years of age is required to get this insurance.

Failing to do so will get you a fine of €1,400.- on top of having to pay off the year's subscription you missed out on. See? All about the money.
4866) Message boards : Android : "Tranfers" tab (Message 67731)
Posted 14 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Development of the official BOINC for Android application is at a total standstill until a new developer for the app has been found.
4867) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects being re-enabled (???) (Message 67730)
Posted 14 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are some things that override Suspend Network, like you pressing the Update button. But as far as I know there is nothing, aside from a human, that can get a project off NNT.

I have most all of my projects on NNT all year round, and this BOINC (7.6.22) is attached to a lot of them (50+). So I don't know what to tell you, other than ask potential family members, or the cat, if they pressed keys?

One other possibility is that you put an older backup of the client_state.xml file back, or of the data directory, where the previous status was not suspended/NNT. I'm just thinking, not saying you have done any of that.

When a project gets taken from NNT, it will show in the Event Log. Like so:
14/02/2016 02:24:24 | Pirates@Home | work fetch resumed by user

So the only option I can give you is to set in cc_config.xml options that the stdoutdae.txt file is a portion larger than the default 2 megabytes and when you next notice that a project previously on NNT is fetching work again, that you go search through the log what happened.
<max_stdout_file_size>20119200</max_stdout_file_size>

The above sets the stdoutdae.txt file to 18MB.
4868) Message boards : Questions and problems : WIN 10 issue....according to Microsoft. (Message 67720)
Posted 13 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Talking about lightening up, do know that I am a volunteer just as you are. I only have the administrator title so I can do extra things against spammers. There's really no need to go full on against me for whatever your reasons. I've re-read my post and don't see what I wrote that gave you the right to post in the way you just did.

You have a problem with the Seti application, so best post about that on the Seti forums, because when you do so people willing to help can look up your system and check for possible errors the application is throwing.

As for Windows 10, I find it the worst piece of crap ever to graze this world, worse even than Millennium. If MS' only solution to computers hanging is to uninstall all third party applications, you should be seeing the light by now, especially since everything worked without a flaw under Win7.
4869) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage limits in projects using virtualization (Message 67714)
Posted 13 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I laid this in front of the developer, he assures me that the vboxwrapper does observe CPU limitations set in BOINC. BOINC uses a wrapper to communicate between itself and VBox.

Checking e.g. http://boincai05.cern.ch/CMS-dev/result.php?resultid=114200 it does say:
2016-02-12 19:41:07 (5464): Preference change detected
2016-02-12 19:41:07 (5464): Setting CPU throttle for VM. (75%)

So, if in your case it doesn't work:
1. First check that you have BOINC Activity set to "run based on preferences".
2. That the projects don't override, or have their own project preferences setting overriding. In mind come multi-threaded applications that may ignore CPU usage limiting preferences.

In both these cases you best take it up with the project, post in their forums. For if this is a bug in their vboxwrapper, they'll have to update, or post to the BOINC Projects email list, or BOINC Development email list.
4870) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 67709)
Posted 13 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would, but then I get answers like this. He still has a very long wait before him.

No one is for decorum anymore, it's all rules for themselves these days. Hence the never posters PM'ing me with their problems, although they then do ignore the request made not to do that.

But each their own opinion about it.. well that is, but for me, it seems. :)
4871) Message boards : Questions and problems : WIN 10 issue....according to Microsoft. (Message 67694)
Posted 12 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Michael wrote:
I have a problem…. This morning I was on the wire with Microsoft in an effort to resolve an issue… my issue. When I stop using my machine for a period of time, say while I am asleep or watching TV, and then return to it the machine is locked up. By locked up I mean some of the applications I can get into: Mail, File Explorer, but others I cannot. To get into the Internet explorer I must restart my machine. To get into Word I must restart my machine. I am running a 6 core i7 5820K CPU 3.30 GHz and 64 G bit of RAM with a 64 bit operating system. After the obligatory Microsoft efforts to discover the problem they came to the conclusion that SETI was the problem and that it might not be configured for Windows 10. As it ran flawlessly under WIN 7.1 it was a reasonable guess. So here I am folks… is it possible that SETI for home users is not compiled for WIN 10? That was Microsoft’s conclusion and thus here I am asking you for a resolution to the issue as I am just a bit weary of restarting my machine every time I want to use it. Please send me an Email on the resolution: email address redacted... thank you

Mike


We're not Seti, we're the BOINC forums.

For help with this, best post it on the Seti forums, if you have a RAC more than 1, post in Number Crunching.
If your RAC is lower than 1, post in the Windows Help Desk forum.

You can check your RAC in your Seti account, the value for Recent average credit.

Also, never post your email address on these or other forums. Spam bots read here as well.
4872) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 67681)
Posted 12 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Repeating. It's getting pandemic proportions. I wonder if you do that in daily life as well, that before you answer someone you talk to, you repeat what they just said completely.
Let me start off with my pet grumble peeve, people answering to a post in a thread, quoting the whole previous post and adding their single line of nothingness at the bottom. No editing of the quote so it's culled down to what they actually answer to; not being able to just reply; they're usually the first person answering and they need to quote the whole post, doesn't matter how long the thing is.
4873) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing "msi" (Message 67666)
Posted 11 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Have you looked at the FAQ I pointed at? It's got 7 different options. More than just uninstall or update.

And as for the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility not working on Windows 10, use the link above that to the Program Install and Uninstall utility on Microsoft's web site.
4874) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67662)
Posted 11 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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4875) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67661)
Posted 11 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Well, if you don't save applications where they belong, there is no hope for you.
Where do you think I save my applications?
Where do they belong?

As above, if you don't have applications, which don't change often so they don't write to the backup often
The Elder Scrolls Online has a new version of itself out every month, month and a half. That's usually multiple large downloads amounting to a total of 5 gigabyte of downloads. When you now install the game clean, you'll first have to download the latest 3 updates, amounting to 15 GB of data, that then has to be installed separately over each other.

And that's only one game that updates quite often.
GTA V has a new update out every month.
There hasn't been a big game out yet the past 5 years that hasn't got an immediate full length update within 24 hours of release.

You also missed the put it in a closet.
No, I did not miss that. You said "Say every two or three months, plug it back in and make that backup.
You missed I was talking about the full amount of data I have on all my drives, that changes quite a bit over time, with stuff being installed, other stuff being removed, new stuff being downloaded etc. I was talking about the backing up of everything, that 1.6TB amount of data.

I've just lost almost 7TB of data on the failed RAID, with lots of it not in backup because the NAS was the backup. You cannot expect of users to have closets full of backup hard drives with backups of everything on their systems when normally a NAS shouldn't have a problem keeping all that data.

Even with the 300K hours MTBF of the WD Green drives that we had in there, if the NAS' fan hadn't stopped working causing the drives to heat up to over 90 degrees centigrade, and the NAS failing to shut down because it didn't read that amount of heat, the WD Green drives would've easily run for 12,500 days.

The failed WD Green had just over 13.5K hours on time on it, that's 4.5% of the total time it should've been able to survive.

If you were a business this would be the copy in the fire safe. A business would also have an offsite copy.
But I am not a business, am I now?
A business also has most of the work done saved on the server, so you only have to backup one machine, and at that incremental because not all of the work people saved has to be backed up every day, only what they added that day.

Having a user computer versus a big business server is totally incomparable.
You have heard of incremental backups haven't you? The type where you can pick the date of the file you want to restore? Do you know how the backup program decides a file is changed? Consider how a filesystem corrupts.
I have heard of incremental backups, but other than that they only backup newer files/copies of themselves, I don't know much about them.

Doesn't matter what I say about what my intention was, doesn't matter what I all explained in this thread, I should've 5.5 years ago started making backups of my Windows file system only, and made an incremental one every 2 to 3 months and I should have had a backup program that was intelligent enough that it would have warned me as soon as the first time came after a Windows Update that the computer rebooted and started throwing away indexes. Have I missed anything?

Probably that I don't know what date exactly this started happening.
Probably that it has happened way way way way way way way before at a reboot e.g. after a Windows Update and the next checking drive for consistency, and that I wasn't at the keyboard to see that.
Probably...

Ah never mind, the thing I had the problem with -the actual in-place upgrade installation of Windows- is not mentioned anywhere in your unhelpful comments, so why am I even trying?
4876) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67659)
Posted 11 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Once you get things back to whatever normal you can, get an el-chepo drive and backup that system partition.

But that's the thing, that's not very useful in the case of having many games and programs installed. Because a lot of those games and programs are installed on the same hard drive as the one the system partition is on.

So this would only help if something were to happen to the system partition alone, not when something happens to any of the other partitions, not when something happens to the whole hard drive.

My Windows was installed on 19 July 2010. It's been running fine for all up to - checking when I first mentioned its problems - half December of last year. In the mean time this system is one with 3 individual HDDs, with 1,695.4 gigabyte of data between them.

The el-cheapo drive is likely to fail first, because it's got the most data to store and the most write sessions to undergo. And then at 2TB to lose all the backup data...

Still... a failing file system isn't something that's happening from one day in December 2015 to the next one. That's something that slowly builds up. And thus something that one would've been backing up then.

For do you know all the tells and tales of a failing file system and what you should look out for and when that first started? How do you know for sure yours isn't starting to go ever so slightly corrupt at this time? And since you're giving the el-cheapo drive backing up advice, you're one who follows that own advice - what has that done to your backups lately?
4877) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67653)
Posted 11 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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...but trying to recover a sick OS disk from a sick OS disk is tough

But I wasn't trying to do that. I've only copied over the old drive's contents (5 partitions spanning 1TB) onto the new hybrid drive (2TB) and changed over to using that drive this morning. This was to make sure that the problems I had were not with the drive itself, but with the file system.

I've just ended a full CHKDSK /R /F on the C: partition, that took an hour and a half. Got a clean bill of health.

i'm no guru on these matters, but one option is invest in a SSD if you don't have one for a new system disk, as this will be a good investment

I don't like SSDs, as I find them too small for the money you throw at them. Which is why I bought an SSHD, which is a hard drive with 8GB of NAND memory, in which it will store the most used files. This way operations speed up enormously, and Windows startup can go from multiple minutes to within 10 seconds (or so Seagate says, and with Windows 8).

I have already noticed speed ups, as I have some giant directories that now load instantly.

then prove all the hardware is fine and then work on recovering that system disk (as a non-system disk).

All the hardware is working fine.
This Windows has been in operation since 19 July 2010. That's quite a bit of time for Windows, to have run that long without a reinstall.

So, tomorrow I'll continue.
4878) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67650)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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See if I have other options.

There are "other options"...

Well, then tell me, oh guru.
But don't mention Linux, please. Not interested. Tried Ubuntu again not too long ago, still don't like it. Not ready to jump through all kinds of hoops to get all my games, old and new, to work on that. Even wine can only do so much.

As for one separate machine for games, Chris, this is it. The only game on the TV server is an ancient version of ESO from the time that Holly's system was taking up space on the dining room table, catching dust for close to 9 months, due to her having given up on trying to rebuild it. (And I wasn't allowed to).

sfc /scannow is still jumping out on 60%, so will go try that in safe mode.
4879) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67644)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Got to progress 47% and I just killed the 'upgrade process'. At this rate it's going to take a further 4.5 days before it's at 100%. Windows Updates downloads come in at an extremely slow pace.

I'll go put the Windows partition of the old drive back and work with that. See if I have other options. Better a wrecked Windows than having to surrender my PC to a 5 day 24 hour upgrade process.
4880) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67642)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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A full backup is of no use here, because of the massive amount of programs and games I have installed. Why do you think I do a repair install while maintaining my user settings and not just a reinstall of Windows?

I also know now what is happening: I had to choose the Upgrade with Windows Update option as else it didn't want to start the installation, and that is slowing everything down to a crawl because Microsoft is only giving Windows 10 users a high speed connection for Windows Updates, whereas users of Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 get these at the slowest possible connections.

The total progress is at 45% now and has been that for the past hour and a half.

I'm lucky I have two monitors attached, so I still can do things via the second monitor, including monitor (ha!) the progress on disk in windows explorer.

edit: this is going to take days. Progress 46%.
4881) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67638)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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It's my first time I run a RAID1, Chris, so I don't really know. I now see that the syncing took till 7 a.m. and that the actual repairing is now taking place with no numbers on it showing how long this will take. I'll dive into the documentation next.

Meanwhilst I changed over to my SSHD and am running the broken Windows off of that. Tried a reboot and indeed, again it's throwing away broken file segments and indexes, indicating a problem with the file system, not with the hard drive.

To be sure I am running Partition Assistant over the old HDD, doing a surface scan first.
Also -again- tried the other hard drive out of the NAS, because this program can read drives that have no normal partitioning record. But nope, it's still dead. Doesn't even start up. Although it did feel heavy on the connector side when I took it out of the docking station again. Anyone know what that is? I've felt that on other drives in there as well, when taking them out that they seem to be heavily magnetic, wanting to be pointing down.

That Gembird docking station is one of the best things I bought in a long time. And while it seems to be only USB 2.0, last night's copying over of data went at a sustained 35 megabytes per second (the max for USB 2.0 as it seems). I did stick it in one of my USB 3.0 outputs and may try to get the 3.0 docking station now, seeing how it has a max of 400MB/sec. :)

Okay, on to repair install Windows. If you haven't heard from me by the end of the day, call in tech support.

Edit1:
It's fighting me on all sides. The upgrade process stopped three times already telling me I needed to reboot and restart the process.
edit2: Make that four times. I could just in time post the above edit, before the system rebooted. Still not installing Windows. And I surely hope it's not secretly installing Windows 10. ;-)
edit3: not looking good. It's been stuck at fetching 172703 out of 10693723 files for just over an hour now. I feel a bad four letter word coming up.
4882) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67630)
Posted 9 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Not a day too late I am doing this. The last reboot after AOMEI Partition Assistant Home Editor finished copying over this problem drive to the new drive has made things worse.

Loading Windows is extremely slow. It took just 15 minutes to get from login screen to the desktop. Guess I should be glad it loaded...
Windows Event Viewer can no longer load. Its snap-in tells me something went wrong and it has to unload. OK.
Loading any program costs minutes.

I'll be turning off now, and will just change the drives over tomorrow (take out the 1TB drive, put the 2TB in its place) and reboot from that. And then go sit through a Windows repair installation. Yay!

Well, ain't got anything else to do either, can't go anywhere with the fever and the sneezes.

edit: this copying took 5 hours. Better than the NAS, which is slated to go until 7am. And then I'll have to do that again, because the present array rebuild is done from the damaged WD drive onto one of the Seagates. Eventually I'll have to rebuild the array onto both of the Seagates.
4883) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67623)
Posted 9 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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The Western Digital drive died because of the high heat it was exposed to. It is really dead, I tried it in my docking station, it's not recognized as a drive. Not even as an unformatted one.

The company I bought the Shuttle NAS and one of the drives from has only contacted me once last week and since that time it's total silence again. Not a real client friendly company. Once my Windows system is back up&running, I'll go email them again and demand they do something. Warranty on the drives being up or not, they hadn't yet have 300K hours on them (the one surviving has 13.3K hours), they certainly shouldn't have had to live in a 90 degree centigrade box. So in my opinion it's a Shuttle error, they should pay me for two new drives. They can also repair the NAS, put a new fan in and such, but they're not getting away with it.

And if I had put it someplace stupid, like in a cupboard, then yes that may account for extra heat. But it wasn't. It was sitting where the new NAS sits as well, on the floor, besides a box I built for my modem, router and telephone to sit on and all their cables to sit under. It's in front of the door to the balcony. Not in the sun.

I had also set the old NAS to run the fan always, even though that gave extra noise. If I set it to run always and it isn't at all, well... Shuttle says the NAS keeps an eye on that and that it will shut down if the temps go above 62C, it definitely didn't do that. The SMART readout on the drive proves that.
4884) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67618)
Posted 9 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Behave all. My main system is being copied over to my new SSHD now, which is going to take 5 hours. Meanwhile my NAS' RAID1 array is rebuilding itself as well, it's at 6% and took an hour to get there. I hope it speeds up at one point, because really it's only got 450GB of data in it, although the array is 4TB big.

I also managed to fetch the flu that's going around. Had 40 degrees Celsius during the night. Am now down to ~38 C, but now other parts that weren't hurting yet are starting to chime in.

The upside of the flu is those several hours with over 120 beats a minute heart beat must've burned some of my fat away. The downside is the hurting and feeling like a very old man. Sorry, all the very old people on here.

celttooth: red matter? four days? Stop talking in code, please.
And since when does your nickname have only one el and three tee's and not two el's and two tee's as I always thought? Huh? Well?
4885) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67603)
Posted 8 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Wow, I could've used this two weeks ago when the first NAS crashed. https://www.cgsecurity.org/ has two very powerful and free programs with which you can recover data from crashed drives. I am now using PhotoRec to recover data from my wife's SD card that isn't being recognized in anything.

The other program is called TestDisk and can recover data from any drive, as long as it's still being recognized by a computer/docking station. Seeing the long list of file systems it can recover, I'm sure it would've been able to find data on the crashed RAID. And otherwise PhotoRec would've been able to do so.
4886) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing "msi" (Message 67602)
Posted 8 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Please see the BOINC FAQ Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name for all the options available to fix this problem.
4887) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67598)
Posted 8 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Monologue continues:
I seem to have gotten a bad spill. Woke up this morning without my voice and only a deep and painful cough. That wasn't the bad thing even, no, that was when I picked up my phone. It had crashed, so I rebooted it. Upon the restart I got the message that the SD card was damaged and that I should reformat it.

Took it out, put it in a card reader sleeve, put it in the laptop's card reader... it finds it and can read the contents. OK. Copied everything off it to the laptop's HDD.

Ran a virus scan on the SD card. Found nothing.
Am now running Malwarebytes anti-malware on it. So far nothing.

I have a spare 32GB SD card lying here, so I can move everything from the HDD onto that one and use that. Or so I hope.

Shrug.
At least the good news is that both my SSHD and my two NAS HDDs are now in the mail winging their way to me and are supposed to arrive tomorrow. In separate boxes, apparently.

Can't wait. :)
4888) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67591)
Posted 7 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Windows is not happy, looking in Event Viewer I see a lot of warnings and informational messages telling me that things are broken. But it is still running. I don't think I will want to reboot at this time, but on the other hand, had this been Windows XP or 2000, they'd have died already.

A lot of services cannot run, Windows Update died, the time server cannot be reached. Yep, it's on its last legs, but has to continue for now until the new drive is here. No other choice.
4889) Message boards : Questions and problems : Upgrade from 1 X5650 to 2 X5650. Boinc still only sees 24 cores (Message 67589)
Posted 7 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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As far as I know, X5650 has 6 physical cores and 12 threads

Yup: http://ark.intel.com/products/47922/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5650-12M-Cache-2_66-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI
4890) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc is not running (Message 67588)
Posted 7 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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So when you check in Windows Task Manager->Processes, sorted alphabetically, is boinc.exe running after you do Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager?

Did you update BOINC lately but forgot to tell your anti-virus program about it so that it is blocking it? Which AV package do you have, if any?
Which version of BOINC do you run? (BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager, version number only)

This message, do you see that in the screen saver?
What is Windows itself saying about this, any warnings in Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer->when fully loaded, click Windows logs, Application, and check all the messages for errors/weird stuff.
4891) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does v7.4.42 need so many supporting programs? (Message 67587)
Posted 7 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Upgrade from where?
If with the BOINC installer package from Berkeley, these libraries are the only prerequisites that BOINC and BOINC Manager were built with, which may be needed.

If from repositories, well, that's up to the person who maintains the repositories for your Linux distro.

If you're building BOINC yourself, the aforementioned prerequisites are the only ones needed.
4892) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67579)
Posted 6 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Just got rid of both of them from my Gmail, so am not planning on getting either back. :)
4893) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67573)
Posted 6 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Probably worth checking with seatools to confirm drive is failing

Thanks, had those already installed and ran them on the drive, there are no problems found. I already knew the drive wasn't failing as its SMART isn't telling me there are problems.

I do know that the most probably cause is Windows going corrupt, or a problem with the file system being corrupt. What I plan to do when all has been moved over and Windows installed on the other drive, is to reformat this drive a couple of times and check it rigorously with Seatools. It's a Samsung, which in reality means it's a Seagate these days as well. ;-)

By just repair installing Windows on this same drive, any trouble there is with the file system will probably continue. So I thought it better to move to a new hard drive.

By the by, what's with the Windows 7 Backup option? I looked at it earlier, thought I'd make a backup of my present settings and such, but no... this backup option wants to have 1.08TB of free space to make 'an image of my present Windows'. Now, I don't mind that, but my present Windows is only taking up 1.77GB, so why does it need a terabyte for the image? Preposterous!
4894) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67569)
Posted 6 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Okay, so last night while playing Fallout 4 all of a sudden I had all kinds of artifacts on screen. Immediately checked the GPU temperature, but that was kind of normal for the game, not even 65C. Exited the game, tried another game (Far Cry 3) and it had the same artifacts.

Ow-kay.
Did a reboot of my system and upon starting Windows it needed to do consistency checking of the hard drive. It immediately threw away two broken file segments and then proceeded to remove some 57 file indexes. Great!

Back in Windows I started an elevated sfc /SCANNOW, which ran to 60% and then exited with the all favorite Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files but was unable to fix some of them message. I tried a couple of the solutions here but shy of repair installing Windows, none worked.

So... repair install Windows then, ey?
But if there is a problem on my hard drive, won't that just move forwards with the new Windows installation? I suspect it will.

Tested something else, I checked for some other games I have installed that are running from a different drive and have their save games on a different drive. These worked flawlessly, no artifacts, even while they put more of a load on my system than Fallout 4 or Far Cry 3. I ran some of the OpenCL and OpenGL tests in GPU CAPS Viewer as well, they also ran without trouble.

Aha... more and more pointing to a problem with the drive these games saved the save games to and that Windows resides on.
Next I moved the My Documents directory to another drive, started Fallout 4 and went to Load Game (instead of continue). It shows small images of the save games and the last two save game images showed the artifacts. I loaded a save game from before that and the game started without problems. Yay! (Not yay for Far Cry 3 which works with one save game only, but too bad).

Now I'm here at this point in time where I think... it's not a good idea to repair install Windows on the drive that seemingly has problems. It's a better idea to buy a new HDD, use one of the imaging programs to move all the data/partitions of this drive over to the new HDD (yay for having a USB 3.0 docking station!). And then remove the 'broken' Windows drive, put the new drive in its place..., and repair install Windows on that.

I still have AOMEI Partition Assistant Home Editor installed that can make an image of any drive to another drive.

So, long story ends, I just ordered another Seagate, this time a Desktop SSHD 2TB Hybrid. It's replacing a 1TB drive, and with the NAS going to exist of eventually 16TB of RAID5, I don't really see the need for me to add a bigger drive in my system. Besides, it appears all drives after this are 5,400/5,900 rpm, while this drive is 7,200 rpm, the same speed all my drives in this system are.

I like the techno blurb on it: Boots Windows® 8 in less than 10 seconds
Ah, but Windows 7 takes several minutes, still? ;-)

Here's the advert on why SSHDs are better than sliced cheese! :)
Can't wait.

Also can't wait to fix the Network is not connected icon I have on this system. I am posting this, aren't I? So you're dead wrong, icon.
4895) Message boards : GPUs : Why Doesn't and When Will BOINC Support GPUs Via Open-Source OpenCL Drivers? (Message 67568)
Posted 6 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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If you unhide your systems at Einstein, people helping you can check what its scheduler reports why it isn't sending you any work.

But it may well be that both Einstein and Seti require OpenCL 1.2

Edit: I asked that your thread at Seti be moved to the Number Crunching forum there, because that's where the developers of the applications post. Hope I didn't intrude. :)
4896) Message boards : GPUs : Why Doesn't and When Will BOINC Support GPUs Via Open-Source OpenCL Drivers? (Message 67550)
Posted 5 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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But, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't need the manager to test the client's coproc detection.

That's correct, you do not need BOINC Manager for that as it is the client doing the detection.
4897) Message boards : GPUs : Why Doesn't and When Will BOINC Support GPUs Via Open-Source OpenCL Drivers? (Message 67543)
Posted 5 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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wxWidgets is a problem, but I think I only need to build the client for this test and I'm sure I can build the wxWidgets libs if I need to.

wxWidgets is the problem why Berkeley no longer builds BOINC for Linux. Since wxWidgets 3.0 broke for Linux and not all distros out there have since updated to wxWidgets 3.0.1 with a fix, it's impossible to build a working BOINC (Manager) for Linux.

And as such the developers are now relying on volunteers and package maintainers to build BOINC for their distros.
4898) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67522)
Posted 5 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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I'd seen that one already Gary, it doesn't explain Purple.
4899) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67517)
Posted 4 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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I've got all Seagate drives in my personal computer, the 250GB small Barracuda drive in there is going to come up on 8 years of age and still going good.

The two drives that were in the NAS were Western Digital, model WDC WD40EZRX. Now, I know no drive really survives 90 degrees centigrade, but this was the first drive to completely die on me in all of my years with computers. The other problem with them was that one was already out of warranty, and the other sold out of region. So I may never get replacements for them, at least not from WD. We bought both the NAS and the drives just 2 years ago.

But then it's the Shuttle NAS that caused this, so Shuttle just has to fork out.

In the mean time, I went and bought 2 of the same Seagate NAS ST4000VN000 from another company. Of course here they had only one drive in store as well and had to order the other one, but that's going to take less than 8 work days. Price was the same, around 300 euros. And this time I got them as a present from my mom, for all the care I give to her. Bless her.

And yeah, maybe not a good idea to put WD Green drives into a NAS, but then when the thing is cooled enough that shouldn't matter much. On WD colors, anyone know what the WD Purple color is for?
4900) Message boards : GPUs : Why Doesn't and When Will BOINC Support GPUs Via Open-Source OpenCL Drivers? (Message 67516)
Posted 4 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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So, looking more closely, I see that my GPUs are only OpenCL 1.1 capability, but I think that is the same as before with proprietary drivers.

I think that depends on the drivers, though. Do you know what model AMD GPU you have? I see it's a Pitcairn, so that's either a HD78xx, HD8870 or one of the R7/R9 low level GPUs. Those are all OpenCL 1.2 capable though, unless the drivers aren't and then they show as OpenCL 1.1
4901) Message boards : Server programs : How to submit a task or jobs on Boinc? (Message 67483)
Posted 3 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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All that and more is available in the documentation at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain, e.g. how to submit and handle jobs is at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain#Submittingandhandlingjobs.
4902) Message boards : The Lounge : My in-place Windows installation troubles and more failures (Message 67480)
Posted 3 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Great, today my RAID1 has degraded. Earlier I noticed that disk 2 has failed, really really failed. It's now inaccessible, while before when looking at the SMART info, it stated its Health was BAD!, with a read_error_state of Failed.

Just updated my NAS' firmware and on the reboot it now only finds one HDD. Now quickly looking for a replacement HDD, while this drive goes to Shuttle for them to replace. Of course this doesn't bode well for the other hard drive, as that's been subjected to similarly high temperatures. We hope we can get both of them replaced by Shuttle, despite one of the HDDs being out of warranty (but that's hardly our fault, we bought it at the same time as the NAS).

The other HDD is Out of Region, making things not easier either.

First running an backup of everything on the NAS to the 3TB USB drive on the TV server. And although it's an incremental backup, it's still going to take 4+ hours. We'll see.

I am very happy with the Zyxel NAS though. It's warned me immediately of logging into it that the RAID is degarded and that I should rebuild the array. Which is difficult when only one drive is found. ;)

Edit: just bought Seagate NAS HDD, 8 TB (2x 4 TB) for €300.-
Edit2: And a couple of hours later I canceled them again, as I found out there's an 8 workday wait for these. I need them earlier. NAS is backed up now, but I can't write to it with just one drive in there.
4903) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67470)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Thought I'll go play some Fallout 4, but apparently Steam is down. It's supposed to be down at 16:00 Pacific time, but that's in 45 minutes. Maybe they started early.
4904) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67469)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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Seti forums are back.
4905) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67458)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
4906) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67451)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Group

SETI SWAT.

:-)
4907) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request: computing preferences in schedule (Message 67433)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6(.22) has the same menu setup now in Simple View, Advanced View.
Added to that, simple view, advanced view and the web site preferences all have the same wording and descriptions now.

BOINC has also changed, in so far that where it was mainly developed by three developers before, it's now a full open source governance.
4908) Message boards : Projects : Time to Retire: (Message 67431)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
David has closed http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list and wants which projects are on there but not on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php to be added to the latter.
4909) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request: computing preferences in schedule (Message 67430)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Making a ping, so the server knows this thread should stay open for the next 90 days.
4910) Message boards : BOINC client : Linux version outdated (Message 67429)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem is that Ubuntu software centre and its repo, is giving me 7.4.23, a developmental build

You'll have to ask the package maintainer about that, it's not something I can answer. See at http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=boinc-client what the present versions are for each Ubuntu distro.

And otherwise you can go for the PPA (personal package archive) from Locutus of Borg, who releases new versions regularly: https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa.

If it's not available on older Ubuntu versions, it may just not be possible to build it on those versions, or it's running into the wxWidgets bug there.

If you truly want to try to build BOINC for your version of Ubuntu, you can do that from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient#Linux.
4911) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67425)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Weird Canadians. A license for a cat?
http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/01/28/man-jailed-over-unpaid-cat-fine-surrenders
4912) Message boards : BOINC client : Linux version outdated (Message 67424)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC development doesn't build BOINC anymore. Most package maintainers of the different distros have now added 7.6.22 as recommended on their repositories. And if not 7.6.22, then at least an earlier 7.6

Development halted at the moment wxWidgets 3.0 (a key component of BOINC Manager) got broken and stayed broken on various distros despite updates.
And because the developers are no longer being paid for their work on BOINC -they work elsewhere to pay the bills- I wouldn't expect this to change any time soon either.

So, best check in your distro's repositories for how to install BOINC as a package.
4913) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67382)
Posted 30 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome back, MaRk.
4914) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource share apparently does nothing at all (Message 67381)
Posted 30 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even with the present form of the scheduler, BOINC still uses a form of debt between projects. You have told BOINC it shouldn't run Einstein for a long time, but when you allow it it asks for a full cache of work, because it's been so long since you last ran it.

If you now do absolutely nothing, you will see that while Einstein may take over for a while, eventually -when its debt towards Seti and the other eligible projects has diminished- Einstein will let go and only ask for work once in a blue moon.

The resource share on its own does not dictate how much work a project can ask for, not until all eligible projects have run for a while and BOINC knows what's what. So initially even on an RS of 2 you will get a full cache of work, just as much as you've set the work request for, but if you let that sit for several weeks or months, you will see that BOINC learns and eventually not take up as much work anymore.

One thing to keep in mind:
Changing resource share is a long term process, it's not instant.
With each change you make to the RS of a project, you reset things BOINC learned earlier about this project's RS needs and run times. So just don't.
4915) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.6.22 Upgrade File Won't Execute (Message 67348)
Posted 28 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adrianxw is reporting the same thing, also on an XP machine. Although he also says he can install 7.6.6, but not for instance 7.6.9 or 7.6.22.

Can you check if you have installed Windows Installer 4.5 on your system?
Can you install 7.6.6?
What about 7.6.9?
4916) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks reported while network activity suspended (Message 67339)
Posted 28 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Suspending network activity can temporarily be overridden by pressing Update, by detaching/attaching a project, by resetting a project. So yes, this is normal.

If your router hadn't worked yet, BOINC would've tried to do these things but would just have bounced back because of no internet connection. All communications would then have gone into a back-off.
4917) Message boards : Questions and problems : Need help running BOINC in the cloud with multiple instances (Message 67338)
Posted 28 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
We aren't BAM or in any way affiliated with them, other than in name.
You'll have to take this up with them at https://boincstats.com/en/forum/.
4918) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.6.22 Upgrade File Won't Execute (Message 67337)
Posted 28 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure you downloaded the correct version, that you downloaded it from Berkeley and not elsewhere.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.6.22_windows_intelx86.exe this one. Download it again, save it to a different directory than you did previously. Wait until the installer has completely downloaded before (double-)clicking the installer's name.

If that still doesn't work, reboot the computer. It may be that your Windows Installer program or service is busy with something. A reboot always clears that up.
4919) Message boards : Projects : BOINC home page says - Project is dowm (Message 67319)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you try spitting at it? ;-)


I informed David. Probably a side-effect of the earlier 'database is down' on the forums here.
4920) Message boards : Promotion : Monetizing Boinc (Message 67299)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is open source, anyone can use it for their science. Whether the project pays people to run their data, or asks for money to do so, is not up to BOINC to decide if that's possible or wanted, but up to the users. If no one adds a project that does things like this, the project will quickly turn around.

But on the other hand, being paid for doing the science of a project doesn't sound wrong to me. I'm sure that in hands-on science that happens as well, and besides in all other cases you pay for everything BOINC does with your computer. You fund the computer, the hardware therein, and the electricity it runs on. Might be nice if a project paid that back.

That one should be able to earn money running BOINC is my personal opinion, by the way. Don't look at my administrator or moderator titles for this, I have an opinion of my own away from BOINC as well.

Read some of their other forums and you will see that their actual intention is to take over Boinc and incentivize it for user profit.

By the way, do you have a link to the above?
4921) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67291)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Going well.

Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to setiathome.berkeley.edu. Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). (Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap)

* The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
4922) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 67245)
Posted 26 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please, could you stop upping this topic? The Prefsremodel page has been around since 5 years ago. It's not one that will be done quickly, and until someone finds someone else to do these things, it's probably never going to be added all.

So, if you truly want what's on that page added to BOINC, best find a buddy programmer with lots of time on his hands. Continuing to up this topic or asking every 2 weeks if it's done yet isn't going to be helpful.
4923) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67244)
Posted 26 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
[edit]
The site has a clock giving the current UTC time, but it's just that: the current time. It's not frozen at any particular time.

Talking about being pedantic, who said it had a time frozen at any specific point in time? I'd have thought you could read the time I posted the replies.

But hey, next time you're having a bet between yourselves, I'll keep out of things. Got better things to do with my life than have you flip your wig over.
4924) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67237)
Posted 26 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
All the time stamps in all the forums and on the server status pages say UTC. That's why I said it. Are you saying David Anderson is wrong?

Could you please check the time stamp of the post that you quoted?

I gave the link to the actual UTC clock on both your and Sirius' posts, as at that time the link showed that neither at 16:06 nor at 16:08 UTC Seti went down. Wasn't that what you were betting on?
4925) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67217)
Posted 26 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Putting my $2 in the pool for the outrage to start at 1608 UTC.

Also nope: http://www.timeanddate.com/time/aboututc.html
4926) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67216)
Posted 26 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL I'll go with 16:06 UTC.

Nope: http://www.timeanddate.com/time/aboututc.html
4927) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67153)
Posted 25 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There has been an Mag 6.2 earthquake at Gibraltar a short while ago at the boundary of the Eurasian and African Plates.

You mean a 4.6, 5.3, 5.0, 5.1, 5.3, 6.1 and 4.6 magnitude EQ, all today. One 5.1 4 days ago.

World map.
Nicely mapped out before the coast of Morocco. The longitude and latitude values in the link break the option to make its position an active link, sorry.
4928) Message boards : Documentation : Questions about Boinc Documentation Google Group boinc_doc and documentation changes (Message 67152)
Posted 25 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even so, that group still appears to be unattended with only one orphaned post visible to the first time visitor.
What are you expecting that happens in that channel?

The first one being - the wiki should have a clear pointer on how to get changes/corrections made. If is is "Post in this forum" - that should be in the wiki.
Fair. (Despite it showing as a red non-working link in the index, I did put up Changes to this Wiki.)

Specifically About RAC is not clear exactly how it is calculated. Compared to his very hard to find old wiki
Ah, but that has the reason that everything in the Wiki must be as simple as possible, so that everyone should be able to follow it. So intricate explanations of how things work == too difficult for the majority, and as such doesn't need to be in the User Wiki.

If we then want to explain such things in-depth, to please do that on a third party site, or in github.
4929) Message boards : Documentation : Questions about Boinc Documentation Google Group boinc_doc and documentation changes (Message 67111)
Posted 24 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
That group isn't unattended, it's just that what came in before was something that was addressed in a different way. You can leave whatever you want on that group, or in a thread here. I'm keeper of the documents. So which comma sits wrong where? :)
4930) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to run BOINC. (Message 67087)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Richard crashed my party 35 seconds before me. Deleted. :)
4931) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win10 - Boinc 7.6.22 - no more tray icon (Message 67085)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
May I inquire what kind of patch your team developed for BOINC?

boinctray.exe by the way is the idle detection program. It has no GUI, no icon, and only polls the keyboard and mouse to see if they're in use or not, telling boinc.exe all about that.
4932) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC does not see that VirtualBox is installed (Ubuntu 15.10) (Message 67067)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think your problem is that since you installed BOINC from repository that it's running as a daemon. Looking at LHC's FAQ, it says: BOINC must not be installed as a service (Windows) or a daemon (GNU/Linux) because this project uses Virtual Machines. When BOINC is installed as a service or a daemon it runs as an unprivileged user and cannot run any virtual machine.
and
For GNU/Linux users the recommendation is to use the official BOINC GNU/Linux installer instead of the packaged ones for your distribution.
4933) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win10 - Boinc 7.6.22 - no more tray icon (Message 67062)
Posted 21 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The code for the tray icon hasn't changed since BOINC 7.0, so it's exactly the same between 7.6.9 and 7.6.22, which means there must be something else going on that makes it a no-show. My guess is something in or about Windows 10 then.
4934) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67061)
Posted 21 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone from Massachusetts will tell you it's not a mere state, it's a Commonwealth!

Not many people left there. Those that stayed are Ghouls or Super Mutants. Most humans are probably from elsewhere.

But you're right of course. Not that the people there call it that, they just call it The Commonwealth. After the war, there's not much left.
4935) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 67042)
Posted 21 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, I don't mind all of you having heated arguments over whatever you want, wherever you want, but please leave me out of it. I'm not following every argument posted by any of you in any of the threads, don't even act upon all of the white-cross-on-a-red-background reports I get.

And where I can have days of ultimate joking, I can also have days of ultimate black moods. Today is one such day, so best watch out what you say - even in jest - about me. Although I'll probably be leaving these forums behind again for the rest of the day and check the war torn fields in the State of Massachusetts some more.
4936) Message boards : Android : Adding Android 5 tablet to Acct. Manager (BAM) (Message 67039)
Posted 21 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you want to run Seti through the account manager, you'll have to enable it there and add all your devices to the account manager.

So if you added Seti separately, you'll have to set No New Tasks, run all work and report it, then remove the project, before using the Account Manager link at the bottom of the Projects list to add BAM! as your account manager. Or if you want to do it now, set No new tasks, abort all work in progress and in waiting, report that, then remove the project and add BAM! as the account manager.

Really, when you're in the projects list in the BOINC for Android app, the account manager option is the bottom option. The screen can be scrolled upwards.
4937) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66981)
Posted 20 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all my colorblind friends:


Egg racism, what's next?
4938) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 66975)
Posted 19 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
People seem unable to read, write and speak their mothertongue these days (ANY mothertongue).

Wot? Yu dont now the normal explenation yet? "As long as yu now wot we meen, theirs no neet for me to try to do it corectly. Its not as of were in sgool, aldo theyr we aslo dont care. And if yu complian, well trow it on dyslexia, or cal you a grammer nazi. Yu twat. Y dont haf to reet wot we right, so why dont yu leaf us alone?"

:)
4939) Message boards : Questions and problems : Force BOINC to use a certain drive (Message 66973)
Posted 19 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The option is in the installer. Third screen in, click Advanced. Here you can change the path to the Program Files directory and the path to the Data directory. It's the latter that you want to change.

It is in the installer, so that it can add the correct permissions to the directory upon installing BOINC.

What you do for this is this:
1. Exit BOINC completely.
2. Copy the data directory from its present place at C:\Programdata\BOINC\ to wherever you want. Do copy the BOINC directory, then all sub-directories and files get copied along.
3. Uninstall BOINC in the normal way.
4. Reinstall BOINC with the BOINC installer.
5. As said, on the third screen in the installer, click Advanced.
6. Change the path for the data directory to the directory you just copied the data directory to.
7. Continue installing BOINC.
8. Check that everything runs fine. If it does, you can delete the original data directory. Or back it up.
4940) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66967)
Posted 19 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Setting up the new Zyxel NAS540. Updated its firmware, now have the new new interface. Before it was the old new interface. Doing a RAID1 as we don't know if we can trust the hard drives. Most stuff stays on our 3 TB USB3 Aldi drive.
4941) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66938)
Posted 19 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The next to fall, Glenn Frey dies, aged 67.
4942) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66937)
Posted 18 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spammer banished.
4943) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd --get_results should display more results data (Message 66917)
Posted 17 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you use boinccmd --get_tasks and boinccmd --get_old_tasks ?
That's the new attribute.
4944) Message boards : Questions and problems : No Project will download. May have some Windows 10 issues? (Message 66916)
Posted 17 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
A permanent HTTP error on all projects means something is blocking that system from the internet, most probably its firewall. Make sure you allow boinc.exe to communicate with the internet through TCP ports 80 and 443.
4945) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc not downloading (Message 66915)
Posted 17 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I may, not everyone has the latest version, because not everyone can run the latest version. Documentation for prior versions should not go away with the introduction of a newer version.

Documentation for older versions is still available. It never goes away. Going to the Wiki through Help from an older version will land you on the older pages, if Rom's gimmick on the server works as we think it does.
4946) Message boards : Questions and problems : V8 Boinc won't un-sleep, won't stay suspended, SETI shows snow on 2nd screen with GeForce 960 (Message 66914)
Posted 17 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
When Boinc is suspended, it will self un-suspend

How do you suspend BOINC? If by right-clicking on its icon in the system tray and choosing Snooze, do know that snooze only works for an hour. After that it will continue.

Suspending through the Activity menu, a project through the Projects tab or individual tasks through the Tasks tab will suspend until you resume.

You can also suspend BOINC by setting preferences to suspend all work when the computer is in use. The leaving the computer alone, but on and not logged off will run work.

Can SETI be kept in memory bounds on the GPU? This problem also occurred with V7s.

This is something you'll have to ask on the Seti forums, Number Crunching forum. That's where its developers hang out.
4947) Message boards : Questions and problems : Takes a long time to exit screen saver mode (Message 66913)
Posted 17 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC screen saver program is run by Windows. Any problems with how long it takes for the screen saver to quit are attributed to Windows. Do you have the same problem with any other Windows screen saver?
4948) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.6.22 for Windows (Message 66912)
Posted 17 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC installer comes with and without VirtualBox. If you don't use VBox, there's no need to install it.

7.6.22 is at the moment of writing the latest available.
I think you meant you have 7.6.9
4949) Message boards : Questions and problems : Pause projects by command line in linux when computer is in use by MythTV (Message 66896)
Posted 17 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The &lt;exclusive_app> and &lt;exclusive_gpu_app> options in the client configuration cc_config.xml file do exactly that, under all operating systems. The function checks which applications are in memory and when one in the list of exclusive ones is in memory, BOINC will suspend computations within 10 seconds.
4950) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66877)
Posted 16 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see it's weekend again, I missed the package delivery man bringing my new 4 drive-bay NAS, and now I have to go into town to pick it up.

In the mean time I see that Mark is being a nuisance again on the forums. Mark my boy, you know by now I don't mind free speech and all, within reason, but the YT links are not necessary. Not in this thread.

As for the threats, I don't like to be getting up against that either.

I've given enough warnings.
I've given enough pleas.
I'm done with it.

Have a nice vacation.
4951) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc not downloading (Message 66876)
Posted 16 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord, was looking at the Wikis and I see it is not documented which fields a zero means ignore this number, for the disk use settings. IIRC there are some or some combinations.

The new way of using the check boxes says to BOINC whether the value is to be used or not. General rule here, when it has a check box and you check it and set the value to zero, it's zero what you mean to be used.

I'll see if that needs put in the documentation, after I made my walk through the snow.
4952) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc not downloading (Message 66863)
Posted 16 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
1/15/2016 7:22:39 AM | | Reading preferences override file

1/15/2016 7:22:39 AM | | max disk usage: 0.00GB

Set up your preferences correctly.
You have now set a preference that states BOINC shouldn't use any hard drive space at all, and so it does that.
4953) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client Language is German (Message 66859)
Posted 15 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whenever a new revision comes out, I save the present pages that need changes as page_name_Major.Revision. Mostly used for the release notes page.

These pages are completely rewritten. And the fun thing is, when you use an older version such as 7.4, and go to its help you'll end up on those *_7.4 pages. A trick Rom added to the server. That trick only works from BOINC Manager, by the way.
4954) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client Language is German (Message 66857)
Posted 15 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are no 7.6 page yet

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Simple_view and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Advanced_view are of BOINC 7.6
This page describes the current BOINC 7.6 client software.
4955) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client Language is German (Message 66853)
Posted 15 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Options->Other Options->General tab->Language drop down menu->English->OK. Exit and restart BOINC Manager to change to English.
4956) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66834)
Posted 14 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bye Alan Rickman, thanks for your films and theater.
Bye David Bowie, thanks for your music and films.

What a good start of the year.
4957) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC support on iOS (Message 66831)
Posted 14 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Soon? No.
The biggest problem is that a client in its original form isn't possible due to Apple not allowing applications to download executables.

There's a whole -now closed- discussion about it at Github: #1376
4958) Message boards : Android : Unable to add projects not on "THE LIST" (Message 66823)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
When the phone is not already attached to a project, it brings up the screen with the BOINC logo and the list of projects you can attach to. Once attached you’ll go to the attached projects list when BOINC is restarted.

The attached projects list and task list both have the menu button, while the attach to project wizard does not.

So, attach to a project before the menu button, and thus the add URL of your own option becomes available.
4959) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to run BOINC. (Message 66820)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you ever update to Windows Installer 4.5 on that system?
Did you reinstall it after you ran the system file checker?
4960) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincMgr 7.6.22 crashes on start (Message 66815)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, I've taken a look in the source code, and this crash obviously has to do with column names, id's and sort orders. I am sure I have messed around with the columns in ways noone else would have thought of.

For testing purposes, can you detail what you did with your columns?
4961) Message boards : Android : Unable to add projects not on "THE LIST" (Message 66812)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I reinstalled BOINC 7.4.41 and see its behaviour is now different from how I documented it before. I no longer have the menu option in BOINC, nor does long- or short-pressing the 'recent' button give me the option to add an URL of my own. I have forwarded this to the developers, because it now looks as if something somewhere has changed, without explanation.
4962) Message boards : Android : Unable to add projects not on "THE LIST" (Message 66810)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you show me an image of the first view of BOINC, the one you start BOINC with without any projects visible? Edit: never mind this question, I see that you already did in your first image.

But what happens when you long-press your recent apps button (square) while in the choose projects menu in BOINC?
4963) Message boards : Android : Which Projects can Use a 64 bit ARM CPU? (Message 66792)
Posted 12 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best ask them then: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/listthreads?forum=640
4964) Message boards : Android : Unable to add projects not on "THE LIST" (Message 66791)
Posted 12 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a tablet

Brand?
Model?
Password to the secret partition?
4965) Message boards : Projects : Stop rotate SETI@home Enhanced application (Message 66777)
Posted 11 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit Seti project preferences https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project
Change Graphics preferences to Custom.
Save changes with the Update preferences button.

Now again edit those preferences.
For everything with oscillation in the name, set the value to 0 (zero).
Save changes with the Update preferences button.

To get these preferences to BOINC, open BOINC Manager, select Seti@Home and click Update.
4966) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66771)
Posted 11 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No it shouldn't fail on a 2 year old system, but what was the guarantee period?

3 years on the Shuttle NAS.
Also 3 years on both HDDs, but I just saw that one of the two (bought at the same time) has just past October left warranty, the other one is still in warranty until September.

I really hate to ask ......... any backups ???

The NAS was the main backup drive for the network. It held all our series, films and music. I still have the old music map on my system (phew, though minus one or two albums, but I downloaded Public Service Broadcasting again :)) and all of Time Team is still on the TV server, but aside from that, it's going to be one hell of a new download.

In the mean time been trying to fix things. I put everything back in the NAS (temps are now 121C ;-)) and tried rebuilding the array. The folders are still visible , have always been that, but they're still empty.

So tomorrow I'll try hanging them onto the RAID array in the TV server and boot up with that. You never know.
4967) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66767)
Posted 11 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having a great day. Everyone else having a great day?
Just fabulous. Peachy.

Just too bad of that 7 terabytes of data that got lost when the NAS crashed and reconfigured itself last night. Appears the HDDs are in an unreadable state due to having been subjected to 118 degrees centigrade (I just see HDD1 was subjected to 130 degrees C). Internal. Jikes.

So, all series lost.
All films lost.
Luckily most of my music map was still on my own system.

Am now looking for a new NAS, but also emailing Shuttle that I want to RMA this one to them, and probably that they should send me two new 4TB drives. It's their fan that failed. On a 2 year old NAS the fan shouldn't fail.
4968) Message boards : Android : Unable to add projects not on "THE LIST" (Message 66751)
Posted 10 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc 7.4.41
Andriod 5.0.1

But what kind of device is this on?
What do those triangle, circle and square buttons do?

Having that bit of basic information would be nice, so someone could possibly go look it up.
4969) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager connection and work issues (Message 66727)
Posted 9 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Several things.
Win 10 64bit system - version 7.6.9 with Virtual Machine.

If you do not need VirtualBox, there's no real need to install it.
If you do have a project requiring VirtualBox, best update to 7.6.22 with VBox, as that has the new 5.0.10 version of VBox included that is fully compatible with Windows 10.

The major one are problems with the connection of BOINC client with projects. Sometimes it takes long and has hiccups.

Communication problems are almost always due to interfering firewalls, anti-virus software and other anti-malware products.

With communication problems I do mean HTTP errors in the messages, not that it takes a little longer for BOINC to communicate with the project. That can have a myriad of causes, that without us knowing what kind of internet connection you have -e.g. cable/DSL/LAN/satellite, how much hangs onto your connection, what is all downloading and taking up bandwidth, where you are physically, how many hops it takes to the projects, if there is anything amiss on the way or at the project in question- or what you are trying to do, would be difficult to diagnose.

And today after the system wake I noticed that the tasks are not moving forward (the timecount is not growing) despite of their status "running". I checked the physical files in projects' directories - they have not been updated, and there were almost no new entires in the log, with an exception for a new task of WUProp, info about a possible update and a warning:
New system time (1452329131) < old system time (1452415526); clearing timeouts

System wake from what? From hibernation or sleep? Or from a cold boot? Opening the lid of a laptop/notebook? Waking up from how long ago?

When closing the lid on a laptop/notebook, or putting the system to sleep or hibernate, BOINC stops calculations. If you don't see tasks continuing to run on wake up from sleep/hibernation, wait a couple of minutes until the system is fully restarted and has loaded everything back into memory. Then exit & restart BOINC. Do know that this wait time can happen with very little CPU usage, when checking system resources do check disk and memory activity.

This was the last message in the log. I haven't been changing the system time, it seems to be O.K. - however in past something was chenging my date, pushing it 1 day forward.

It can also indicate that your CMOS battery is faulty/empty and needs to be replaced.

I tried to restart only the client but nothing was changed. After closing both client and the projects and a restart, the BOINC manager could not connect with the projects and it all seemed to be halted.

Now, why do so difficult and exit & restart the client only? Why not use BOINC Manager->File->Exit BOINC, check "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"->OK for that? At least the manager allows the client to shut down gracefully, not forced as you'd do through Windows Task Manager. By gracefully shutting down the client, it can close down running applications and write their progress to disk.

When you forcefully only close boinc.exe, there's no graceful shutdown and what you describe next is very possible to happen. Although that depends on the sturdiness of the science application. How it reacts to sudden death.

On top of that, BOINC on that machine got some other issues as well. E.g. it did not restart work after a temporary work halt in the proferences settings and the whole machine hardfroze (it was working but it was completely unresponsive). I saw it twice.

Check Windows Event Viewer for problems.
Clean out dust bunnies.
Check with third party applications like Core Temp + GPU-Z or SpeedFan how hot the system becomes when running work.

Additionally, PrimeGrid GFN tasks crash after 1 sec

Report that at Primegrid, it's not something we can fix.

and BOINC does not recognize Intel GPU on the Intel i7.

To be able to do so, it needs drivers that do OpenCL, and that is something you have to install from Intel, not let Windows take care of. Windows -through Windows Update- will install bare drivers, without the CUDA (Nvidia) or OpenCL (Nvidia, AMD and Intel) components required for general purpose GPU work.

So first you tell Windows 10 not to search for and install updates for the Intel GPU, then you go to https://downloadcenter.intel.com/ and download the correct drivers and install those. Reboot the system, restart BOINC and if all is well, your GPU is found.

There is a caveat that some Intel drivers do not work well at some projects, but you best ask there about that. There's also the thing that you need to extend the desktop over two monitors, or use a VGA dummy connector on the Intel GPU if this is a secondary GPU. And BOINC needs use of the &lt;use_all_gpus> flag then.
4970) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66725)
Posted 9 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't suppose then, we shall see any more posts about your health or well being? My cats happen to be my life's blood, kiddo. One of the reasons I breath.

Posts about the health and well-being of your cats are still standing. I merely removed most posts that had the totally unnecessary links to Youtube videos. You can post monologues all you want here on these boards, in this thread, but there is no need to continually post links to a video service alongside them.

So, when I post about my well-being, you'll notice I don't have to post a link to my favorite artists to bring that under words. We all wish you wouldn't need that either, at least, not in this thread.
4971) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66723)
Posted 9 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, as it seems that you are more concerned with your precious forum content rather than with Tigger's wellbeing, screw you.

May I remind you of the fact we're the BOINC forums, not your local pet&vet bulletin board?

Even with the problems you have with your cats, you have to conform to the forum rules we have here. And one of those, specially set up for you, is that you post your Youtube links in any of your own threads. So as not to annoy the rest of the constabulary.

If that is too difficult for you, and you then have to resort into yelling at me, you know where the door is. Log off, don't come back until you can behave.

Even Knut knows that if he wants his posts to stay on for the little fan base he has, that he best posts them in his own thread(s). Go take an example of him.
4972) Message boards : Questions and problems : 871k_2401 (Message 66721)
Posted 9 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
So...
Are you a spam bot that's learning the language?
Or a human posting on drugs?
Or do you have a severe form of Dysfunctional Literacy?

I'm still guessing you're a spam bot. Despite the image in the profile, because even bots can look and post like humans these days. I am keeping my eye on you and your progress. Post the wrong thing and you'll join the many hundreds of sinners who went before you over the past decade. Good luck.
4973) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66720)
Posted 9 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's not going to be me. But uh, remember the thing we agreed on about the youtube videos?

Which has been ignored by yourself and others........................

Well then, no more. Make it one of your 2016 resolutions.

I cleaned up, didn't move but deleted. That's one of my new resolutions. I'm stuck enough already as it is, and really don't need more stress -however little- from anyone around here. So if you don't believe in posting your crap in the right thread, you probably don't mind it being gone the next day either.
4974) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66701)
Posted 8 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's not going to be me. But uh, remember the thing we agreed on about the youtube videos?
4975) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66698)
Posted 8 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
And who is going to do that then?
4976) Message boards : GPUs : Collatz GPU errors (Message 66692)
Posted 8 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you need any informations from log files the thing is that i couldn't find any so pls just tell me where they are xD

We don't need anything, but the Collatz Conjecture project will probably love to hear from you. It's their science application that doesn't run, so you have to report that to them, not us at BOINC. Not unless your BOINC is crashing and burning as well.

Logs can be found under the Event Log, CTRL+SHIFT+E.
Written logs can be found in the BOINC Data directory in the stdoutdae.txt and stdoutdae.old files.

Collatz its forums are here. You may want to do a search before you post, to check if your GPU is supported, or if it needs specific drivers.
4977) Message boards : Questions and problems : very strange behaviour (Message 66639)
Posted 7 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depending on which BOINC version you run versions 7.1.18 and 7.4.8 had fixes for the NCI NNT problem. I'd say, check you have all Activity 'based on preferences'.

It would perhaps also be a thing to see a scheduler contact in work, so add &lt;sched_ops_debug> and I don't know, do NCI tasks get sent through HTTP contacts? If so a bit of &lt;http_xfer_debug> would probably be nice as well.
Oh, and BOINC version.
4978) Message boards : Questions and problems : 871k_2401 (Message 66638)
Posted 7 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, I can't make heads or tails of any of this.
If there was a question in there, please rewrite and try to use plain English this time instead of whatever Urban language this is. English English, American English, Australian English, we can read all that. But the puzzle you wrote here, no.

Also just to make sure you're not a spammer, who is trying to sell us something.
4979) Message boards : Questions and problems : Version 8 for Linux Mint? (Message 66589)
Posted 2 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not BOINC that has a version 8 out, but Seti@Home has new science applications out which are numbered version 8].

Because you use an anonymous platform app_info.xml file, you either have to get rid of it to eventually run version 8 work, or you have to update the science applications to include version 8 and adjust the app_info.xml file accordingly.

Eric Korpela, Seti@Home developer wrote:
SETI@home version 8 has been released. This version finally gives us the ability to process data from multiple sources, including the Green Bank Telescope. That means we'll be ready for data from Breakthrough Listen when it's available.

We're releasing the versions for CPUs first. We'll release versions for graphics processing units (GPUs) and Android devices as they come available. We're releasing slowly so as not to overtax our download server. This update will happen automatically, unless you use a special version you got from another web site.

We've also made small changed to our science code to improve the Gaussian fitting routines. This means version 8 results are not compatible with version 7. So if you use a version of SETI@home you got from another site, or if you compile your own version, you'll need to get or build a version 8 application. I'm sure link will be made available in the Number Crunching forum.
4980) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unusual virtual memory grab from BOINCMGR.EXE ver 7.6.9. (Message 66584)
Posted 2 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
First things first, terminology: VRAM == memory on a videocard, fully called Video RAM, hence abbreviated to VRAM. If you need to abbreviate virtual memory, it's VM. Yes, the same as Virtual Machine.

Second, where do you look for the virtual memory usage of BOINC Manager? I just checked if it's a column option in Windows Task Manager or in Resource Monitor, but neither has the option. Unless it's named differently.

I even tried to set up a Performance Monitor for it, but haven't found a correct option yet. So what do you use?

Also, is this bog standard BOINC Manager, or did you set for instance to use unlimited Event Log through cc_config.xml?
4981) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to run BOINC. (Message 66575)
Posted 1 Jan 2016 by Profile Jord
Post:
The error you have isn't a problem with BOINC its installer package but a problem with your Microsoft installer.

Try to re-register the Microsoft Installer service:
Open a Run window (Windows key+R), type cmd and press Enter, type
msiexec /unregister && msiexec /regserver
(note the four spaces) and press Enter. Finally, close the Command Prompt.

Then try to reinstall BOINC.

If the above does not work, Microsoft recommend to run the system file checker.
sfc /SCANNOW
from an elevated command prompt (run as administrator).
See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/929833 for how to do that.
4982) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66568)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy New Year, mainstream Europe!
4983) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66566)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need to burn down the highest building of the world over this, people.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35207451
4984) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66563)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My new year's resolution is to reinstall Windows 7 as the present installation is so corrupt, I can't even reach my hard drive index anymore. Fun.

Seeing how the corruption gets worse, I'm probably reinstalling tonight already.
4985) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66547)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy New Year, Samoa!

In a couple of minutes, Tonga, Fiji and American Samoa join you. Happy 2016 all!
4986) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66546)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whenever http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PrefsRemodel can be implemented, be it fully or partially. Depends on if programmers for it can be found.

At the moment the three main BOINC developers are no longer paid by BOINC, so they've fanned out to other paid jobs that they primarily work for to be able to live their lives and pay the rent. It all is an open source thing, we'll have to wait until someone capable says they want to take it up.
4987) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible compatibility issue between VB 4.3.12 and Windows 10 (Message 66545)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
what doesn't add up yet, is that on that nvidia driver version but without boinc running nor installed, windows 10 here has been fine for about 4 days????

When BOINC starts up it will detect any Nvidia, Intel or AMD/ATI GPU that is capable of doing calculations for science.

For this detection to work, drivers are needed that hold the required components (CUDA, OpenCL) and that can work together with the operating system in a sturdy way. Not all drivers are tested in this way, so it can happen that some (early) drivers cause trouble on people's computers. This being one of them.
4988) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC is not running (Message 66535)
Posted 30 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why would you need to do that? Or think you need to do that?
In the least update to the new 7.6.22 out now. It's got loads of bug fixes. https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
4989) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66534)
Posted 30 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
I agree that it would be good to be able to suspend specific GPUs
- manually
- when an exclusive app is running
- when computer is in use.

However, this would be a large and complex code change:
1) GPU suspension currently applies to all GPUs,
so there's only one copy the data structures.
We'd need to add copies of the data structures for each GPU
(and keep the current one).
2) Any change to CPU/GPU scheduling must be reflected in the work fetch logic.
For example, if a particular GPU were suspended,
the current work fetch code would see it as an idle device
and try to fetch work.
3) Designing and developing a GUI for it would be a lot of work.

Bottom line: I don't think we can do this any time soon.
I added it as a feature request on GitHub:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/1459

Note: this feature will be easier to implement when we switch to
modeling each GPU as a separate resource.
4990) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC client / Virtualbox not respecting memory settings (Message 66525)
Posted 30 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you checked what is taking up the memory?
Which process? The BOINC binary, the VirtualBox binary, a project binary? Something else?
4991) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66521)
Posted 30 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've just sent this to the BOINC Development email list:

The past couple of days we've had a person try to suspend individual GPUs in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10698
When he games, he wants his Nvidia GPU to suspend and his AMD GPU to continue.

I'm thinking this could be solved by adding a couple of exclusive_gpu switches, &lt;exclusive_amdgpu_app>, &lt;exclusive_nvidiagpu_app> and &lt;exclusive_intelgpu_app>, where when these are set and the exclusion program is in memory all of the AMD/Nvidia/Intel GPUs get suspended, but those not specifically mentioned continue.

Is that a doable thing?
Is that something we'd want to add? Or is that thought to be too fiddly?

I'm thinking these new switches can be used for finer control than just &lt;exclusive_app> and &lt;exlcusive_gpu_app>
4992) Message boards : BOINC client : *Bug* Not requesting tasks: some download is stalled (Message 66514)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
I checked in a change so that limits on the number of active
per-project and total file transfers don't include user files (like background images for SETI@home graphics) or project files (like images for the simple GUI)

Commit.
client: don't count user or project files in transfer limit

We don't want stalled downloads of project image files to block the downloading of job input files.
4993) Message boards : Questions and problems : this website not secure (Message 66513)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gravatar avatars are now using HTTPS connections.
4994) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing only the Manager on OSX (Message 66507)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not in any 7.6 as far as I can see. So it'll probably go further to 7.8, to allow for some rigorous testing as well.
4995) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing only the Manager on OSX (Message 66498)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Under Windows at least when BOINC Manager runs it will (try to) restart the client and else complain about that. I'd think that something similar will happen under OS X. At least the complaining.
4996) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing only the Manager on OSX (Message 66494)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why not install BOINC completely and when running it, not add any projects?
Else see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive for how to move BOINC Manager around and adding the symbolic links and permissions.
4997) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66483)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is not in the PATH list.

Well, of course BOINC isn't in the path list. It won't be there unless you add it yourself. It's not done automatically by any installer.

E: Is my ramdrive dedicated to BOINC, boinc.exe is in the root.

It's possible to run programs from the root of the drive, but Windows is hesitant to allow them to run. Or gives problems.

Anyway, this is syntax stuff, not related to the problem I mention.

Your problem is that the BOINC client unexpectedly exited three times and that BOINC Manager warns about that. That's a service that BOINC Manager does there, it checks periodically if the client is still running, as without one it's not use to run the Manager really. So when it finds there is no client running, it checks how many times this has happened in the past time and reports that to you.

I've in the mean time also found that if you kill BOINC using boinccmd --quit but leave BOINC Manager running, then wait a minute and a half, that boinc.exe automatically restarts.

If you still want to restart the manager, I'd say to look into how to use the Windows process called tskill.
4998) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66479)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
echo "now exiting BOINC"
e:boinccmd --quit
echo "now starting BOINC"
e:boinc.exe

Why are you not using the full path to the BOINC executable on E: ?
And why aren't you using the dividers '\'?

Normally, you either added the full path to the BOINC directory to the %PATH% variable, or you point to the executable using the full path, like e:\the directory BOINC is installed in\boinc.exe

And just for the sake of making sure it's continuing to use the correct port number, do use e:\the directory BOINC is installed in\boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31416

Even if you managed to put BOINC in the root of the E: drive, you'll use e:\boinc.exe, with the back-slash.
4999) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66477)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
To make certain GPU detection decisions a restart of the client (boinc.exe) is required. The GUI (boincmgr.exe) does not need to restart.
If we're only starting one instance of a BOINC + BOINC Manager, they both use the default RPC port to communicate with each other.

This means that you can exit the client and restart it, without having to exit and restart the GUI. As soon as the client restarts it will populate the already running BOINC Manager again.

In other words, there is no need to close the GUI through a script. It's reusable.

I have just tried 7 times in a row to quit BOINC from command line, leave the manager running and restart BOINC from a shortcut on my desktop. It repopulated the GUI every time, although some times it would take longer than others.

You can of course force BOINC to run with the same port number as the GUI, by doing:
boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31416
5000) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66475)
Posted 29 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
When is ever the day that I can wake up with the defendant back on the forums, without having my warning box overflowing with reports, and the defendant making a nuisance of himself?

That is one Masterful Star Quality post to wake up to, sir!

In the light of our new rules (Yay, they arrived!) and because of the defendant shows no process of learning -a thing requested on the banishment notice, you may want to read your email- I'm going to give you a longer sentencing.

However, because I do want to give you the option to say "Happy 2016" to everyone, the banishment will be two separate ones of one day per. So expect yourself to come back tomorrow, and be banished again.

Then during the 31st and 1st I will allow you to be here -and a warning to everyone, I will allow the defendant to say anything he wants, within reason.

Let there be light.
5001) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66469)
Posted 28 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know if this is helpful (or confusing) - but the -redirectio sends output to the log files, and the --dir is the boinc data directory.

Under Windows, starting the client (boinc.exe) only will always write the output to the log file (stdoutdae.txt), so no need for the --redirectio, that's one for Linux (or all Unix) specifically.

--launched_by_manager is shown by process grabbers if the client was launched by BOINC Manager. One can also manually just start the client, without the manager.
Is that still being used by BOINC 7.6 though? I don't see it in the Help output of BOINC 7.6.22

The command-line options for boinc are intended for debugging.
The recommended command-line interface is a separate program,'boinccmd'.
Run boinccmd in the same directory as boinc.

Usage: boinc [options]
    --abort_jobs_on_exit           when client exits, abort and report jobs
    --allow_remote_gui_rpc         allow remote GUI RPC connections
    --allow_multiple_clients       allow >1 instances per host
    --attach_project <URL> <key>   attach to a project
    --check_all_logins             for idle detection, check remote logins too
    --daemon                       run as daemon (Unix)
    --detach_console               detach from console (Windows)
    --detach_project <URL>         detach from a project
    --dir <path>                   use given dir as BOINC home
    --exit_after_app_start N       exit N seconds after an app starts
    --exit_after_finish            exit right after finishing a job
    --exit_before_start            exit right before starting a job
    --exit_before_upload           exit right before starting an upload
    --exit_when_idle               exit when there are no results
    --fetch_minimal_work           fetch only 1 job per device
    --file_xfer_giveup_period N    give up on file xfers after N sec
    --gui_rpc_port <port>          port for GUI RPCs
    --gui_rpc_unix_domain          use Unix domain for GUI RPCs
    --help                         show options
    --insecure                     disable app sandboxing (Unix)
    --master_fetch_interval N      limiting period of master retry
    --master_fetch_period N        reload master URL after N RPC failures
    --master_fetch_retry_cap N     exponential backoff limit
    --no_gpus                      don't check for GPUs
    --no_gui_rpc                   don't allow GUI RPC, don't make socket
    --no_info_fetch                don't fetch project list or client version info
    --no_priority_change           run apps at same priority as client
    --pers_giveup N                giveup time for persistent file xfer
    --pers_retry_delay_max N       max for file xfer exponential backoff
    --pers_retry_delay_min N       min for file xfer exponential backoff
    --redirectio                   redirect stdout and stderr to log files
    --reset_project <URL>          reset (clear) a project
    --retry_cap N                  exponential backoff limit
    --run_cpu_benchmarks           run the CPU benchmarks
    --run_by_updater               set by updater
    --sched_retry_delay_max N      max for RPC exponential backoff
    --sched_retry_delay_min N      min for RPC exponential backoff
    --show_projects                show attached projects
    --skip_cpu_benchmarks          don't run CPU benchmarks
    --start_delay X                delay starting apps for X secs
    --suppress_net_info            don't send network addrs to server
    --unsigned_apps_ok             allow unsigned apps (for testing)
    --update_prefs <URL>           contact a project to update preferences
    --version                      show version info
5002) Message boards : GPUs : cc_config.xml : ... (Message 66467)
Posted 28 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
but I don't know how to start the client,
like when it starts with windows or when I click the BOINC icon (I want the GUI icon on the bottom right bar).

Add this:
"C:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe"
For if you want to start BOINC Manager, which starts the client.

Or
"C:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe" --detach_console
For if you want to just start the client.

We're putting quotes around the path, because of the space in the path.
--detach_console closes the command line window.

Of course, this depends on whether a French version names the directory like this as well. Else rename to the French version. It also depends on whether you installed BOINC in the default directory, else change the path to where you did install it to.
5003) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible compatibility issue between VB 4.3.12 and Windows 10 (Message 66444)
Posted 27 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Causes of KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE Blue Screen Errors

* Incorrectly configured, old, or corrupted device drivers. (very common)
* Corruption in Windows registry from a recent software change (install or uninstall).
* Virus or malware infection that has corrupted Windows system files or Windows Operating System-related program files.
* Driver conflict after installing new hardware.
* Damaged or removed system files after you’ve installed software or drivers related to Windows Operating System.
* Error 0x139 blue screen caused by a damaged hard disk.
* KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE STOP error due to memory (RAM) corruption.

KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE blue screen errors can be caused by a variety of hardware, firmware, driver, or software issues.

Putting kernel_security_check_failure windows 10 into Google gives a scarily amount of people having this problem, with everything imaginable. It's not BOINC causing the error, but Windows 10.
5004) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC is not running (Message 66422)
Posted 25 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check in stderrdae.txt in the BOINC Data Directory if there's any mention of the client crashing. The data directory is default a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\ so just enter its path into Windows Explorer and press Enter).
5005) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66420)
Posted 25 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's almost no fun online. Hackers are raging rampant on GTA V Online. The Steam Store is changing language every minute, so expect evil there as well.
5006) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66414)
Posted 25 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
5007) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 66408)
Posted 25 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Solemn
5008) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66406)
Posted 25 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No no, poster format links in unsuspecting places. You wanted 4K detail, didn't you? :-D

In the spirit of Christmas -not that spirit, put it down, much too early!- I won't do any hard moderating these days. So just expect that when you say something wrong that it mysteriously disappears without anyone getting a notice about it. Way easier to work with than what some here want me to do, very unChristmassy of them. :-)
5009) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66393)
Posted 24 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but I have seen it already. I got the pain of it, it can't scare me anymore. :)
5010) Message boards : BOINC client : *Bug* Not requesting tasks: some download is stalled (Message 66388)
Posted 24 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have sent this off to the BOINC Development email list, with some possible solutions. Do know it's Christmas, even for the developers, so things could go slower than normal.
5011) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66387)
Posted 24 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
All cleaned up the day and the night before Christmas. Please keep politics in the Politics thread. I've moved everything to over there.

Now then, the next person posting politics or a Youtube video that doesn't include cats, bunnies or guinea pigs in this thread will receive a picture of my broken boil! :)
5012) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible compatibility issue between VB 4.3.12 and Windows 10 (Message 66374)
Posted 23 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For this, it is very important that BOINC can set the VirtualBox processes to below normal priority!

Oracle made that impossible. They've hardened up the processes and so it's not possible for BOINC to adjust he priority. Since we cannot change that, you'll have to complain about it at Oracle, as they make VirtualBox.

See Jacob Klein's ticket on this: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/13500
5013) Message boards : BOINC client : *Bug* Not requesting tasks: some download is stalled (Message 66369)
Posted 23 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are this image files used for?

The image files are used by BOINC Manager simple view to show the project images. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Simple_view#Tasks_Window for some examples of what Seti shows.

And i dont use UMTS or so, its a plain old DSL via telefone line.

UMTS is an example. There are plenty of ISP's who recompress image files to make their send size smaller.
5014) Message boards : BOINC client : *Bug* Not requesting tasks: some download is stalled (Message 66365)
Posted 23 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is an option in the computing preferences on project web sites and in BOINC Manager's own preferences stating Skip data verification for image files. Check this when you have trouble downloading the image files. It's then very possible that your ISP modifies image files (UMTS does this, for example).
5015) Message boards : Questions and problems : Insufficient disk space (Message 66361)
Posted 23 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Under the disk tab, it states that totsl disk usage is 876.52 MB with 1.72 GB free.

There are four values here, what are they all?

You say you changed it in the preferences, do you mean the ones on a project web site, or the ones in BOINC Manager?
What are the other two values here (Leave at least and Use no more than %)?

What is the size of the hard drive that BOINC is on?
If you don't know, can you please post BOINC its start up messages (from the event log under CTRL+SHIFT+E)? The first 30 lines or so will normally do.
5016) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66359)
Posted 23 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy Hogswatch, then? No, that has nothing to do with Harry Potter
5017) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66350)
Posted 22 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Long one...
5018) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66343)
Posted 22 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And down she went. I wrote my PM to Rick in email this time, fully aware of this maintenance cycle. :)
5019) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck on "Downloading work from server." (Message 66330)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shrug, if you do not want help, please don't take that out on me.

Once you come back to your senses, do look in this thread at World Community Grid, where Sekerob gives advice on how to circumvent possible stuck downloads on the WCG server.
5020) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck on "Downloading work from server." (Message 66328)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know BOINC has been slowly dying for years

Not sure why you'd think that with 3.5 million individual users and some 12 million hosts out there.

But okay, so your BOINC says "Downloading work from server" and it doesn't? Any other messages? Did you allow the BOINC on that system through the firewall, specifically at TCP port 443? World Community Grid uses HTTPS to communicate with BOINC, so it requires that port 443 is available to the client.

Can you otherwise post a log with &lt;http_debug> and &lt;http_xfer_debug> set (in newer BOINC easily set through Options->Event Log options...)
5021) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66324)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have something resembling winter? It's been 12-15C here all week. Almost as if we're in the Southern hemisphere, approaching summer. I expect a heat wave anytime now.

Sorry to hear about your mom. Fingers crossed things will look up from here on in.
5022) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66321)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks Pete, hope these days aren't treating you too badly either. :)
5023) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66318)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As it would seem, when one has a moderator tag at some forums, some people find that the moderator is only allowed to moderate and for the rest have no opinion of his own, and certainly not voice such opinion in any forums. Well, too bad, I don't follow those rules.

Sad to see you go over exactly nothing.
5024) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66315)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As you're the moderator who put him on vacation, it seems inappropriate to continue this, and a violation of the rules I was chastised by Chris for breaking.

I haven't been a moderator at Seti since I got demoted 9 years ago.
I was talking about a person on the Seti forums, in the AVG thread in NC there.
William can attest to who I mean.

Chris pointed earlier to the Seti rules, but they don't fully apply here. We have our own set of rules that I apply light handedly, thinking mostly that because we're all adults, you should be able to handle things yourself without me having to hold your hand or chastise you at every wrongly put comma.
5025) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66313)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Agentb wrote:
The poster may find the right words and repost later, so data may yet arrive.

I don't disagree with that, but it was just curiosity that then sticks up and makes me wonder.

However, in this case -as William can attest- when you post something against this person, even when sticking to the facts and to the contents of the thread, he feels like you're attacking him personally and that then legitimizes that he attacks you personally. Be it because he's dyslexic, or impatient, or in whatever foul mood of the day.

My good friend Captain Avatar was dyslexic as well, but he took so much care of his postings that you didn't see it. He also never made himself look like a victim because of his disability, something this character has gotten down to a tee.

I've had this character on ignore for a long time, but took everyone on my list off of ignore this summer, to see if they were still as bad etc. Most of the ignored aren't even on the forums anymore, just a handful of them are. Including this character.

So far only one person immediately made it back onto ignore, and that's because if you truly cannot post with punctuation you have no place in my field of vision. Want to go write continuous sentences in which you give help, ask for help or have an opinion? Go ahead, but I don't need to read that drivel.

But I may put this guy back in ignore as well. He won't repost in a friendly manner, he won't report using only facts. So then curiosity sticks at wondering how much he burned me down this time. Have percentage anyone? ;-)

Gary C. wrote:
Well my dear boy, if you had been subscribed to the thread you would have no curiosity on what things had been said. Of course you blood pressure might have gone high enough to bust an ulcer, TIA or stroke.

You're saying that thread subscriptions still send the contents of the post(s) made in the thread, not just that a new post has been made? I thought that was fixed a long time ago?
Or was it just fixed that it no longer showed those contents in Notifications?
5026) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66306)
Posted 20 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I still find most fun about that page is the line Additional information on moderation policy can be found here, with the link under "here" being the exact same as the page you're on. :)
5027) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66302)
Posted 20 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
By convention we don't discuss individual moderator actions/decisions on the forums

Which -at times- is sad, because of missing data and the curiosity of what might have been said, giving a reason why a post was hidden. Like one in the AVG thread in Seti NC, I had seen last night there was a new post, but hadn't gone into the thread as I was very tired. So this morning I come there and see that whatever it must've been was deemed too bad for my -or anyone's- eyes and hidden. Then the curiosity sits with me for an hour or so, wondering what it could've been. :)

No, that isn't anything I want any Seti moderator to post to me about, or PM me about. Seeing who I took on in that thread, I can guess who answered and what he said. And I guess we should call ourselves lucky he hasn't ventured over to here yet. :)
5028) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66300)
Posted 20 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
oh and have you run short on tea?

Yes, yes, I was the other day. Renamed myself to Tealess for half a day to remind me to bring tea. It worked. :)

I'm moving over from my normal staple of ('zero') sodas to tea, because something is not right in the stomach/intestines. Despite the various doctor's prescribed *prazole meds, my stomach hurts like hell when I've eaten something, or just before breakfast (when all night there's been nothing in my stomach).

Also, despite the followed 'week soup/week normal' diet we've been following, I've gained weight. I don't eat as much as I did before, am low on fats and sugars, low on carbo-hydrates, lot of vegetables and proteins. Bake my meat (chicken and beef) mostly without added butter or oil (ceramic lined pans are really da bomb).

So I've had my blood drawn and tested last week, will get the outcome of that tomorrow. Also had an echo, but that showed no immediate problems. Hopefully whatever the outcome, it isn't another heliobacter infection. Can't have one of those again.
5029) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66292)
Posted 19 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is a good time of the year to take time off.

He didn't go willingly. :-)

Edit: and while i think of it, a good time to give thanks to the people (and their organizations) who contribute their time, effort and resources - without which this place and the science stuff associated, would not more than "404 - not found", so "thank you"

My organization thanks you back. {nods at guinea pig, rabbit, two cats and Arie the canary}
5030) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66289)
Posted 19 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, tell everyone that they can come back. Loudmouth has a week vacation.
5031) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66286)
Posted 19 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
December Solstice in London, England, United Kingdom is on
Tuesday, 22 December 2015, 04:49 GMT

The exact time and date of the December Solstice in 2015 is 4:45 UTC on Tuesday, December 22.

One is in London, the other in Greenwich.
Perhaps that it takes 4 minutes for the sun to go from Greenwich to the weather/meteorological observatory in London. :)
5032) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66282)
Posted 19 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Asteroid to fly past Earth on Christmas Eve, but scientists dismiss claims that rock will cause earthquakes and volcanic eruptions

Says enough, I guess. Happy Christmas!
5033) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66281)
Posted 19 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
In terms of the Seasons, they are based upon the Solstices and Equinoxes. In the Northern Hemisphere, the 4 astronomical seasons are:

spring - March Equinox to June Solstice; March 1 - May 31;
summer - June Solstice to September Equinox; June 1 - August 31
autumn - September Equinox to December Solstice; September 1 - November 30
winter - December Solstice to March Equinox; December 1 -February 28 (February 29 in a Leap Year).

You'll find that those are the meteorological dates.

Meteorological winter is a three month period that runs from Dec 1st to the end of February. It is the coldest three month period of the year in the northern hemisphere. Astronomical winter is what we all refer to when we talk about the winter season and this is based on when the sun reaches the most southern point on the globe, the Tropic of Capricorn. If you are located right on the Tropic of Capricorn at 12:00 noon on the first day of astronomical winter, the sun will be directly overhead. Also, on the first day of astronomical winter, the sun is at its lowest point in our sky at 12:00 noon and, of course, it is the shortest day of the year. Obviously, it is the first day of the summer season in the southern hemisphere.
(source)

Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 10:39 AM - According to the calendar, the First Day of Winter isn't for another 20 days (21 if you're in Atlantic Canada), yet for meteorologists and climatologists today - December 1 - is the start of Meteorological Winter. Here's why.

The way that we typically track the seasons is by their astronomical definitions. No matter whether you're in the northern or southern hemisphere, Spring starts on the day of the Vernal Equinox, when our tilted Earth is just in the right spot in its orbit that the Sun appears to cross the equator, headed towards being higher in the daily sky. In the north this is in late March, while in the south, it's in late September. The Summer Solstice is when the Sun reaches its peak height in the sky, in late June in the north and late December in the south. The Autumnal Equinox is the exact opposite of the Vernal Equinox, as the sun appears to cross the equator, and is headed towards being lower in our daily skies, and the Winter Solstice is when the Sun reaches its lowest height in the sky and the cycle repeats.

The only part that varies with this cycle is that the exact day - the 20th, 21st, 22nd or 23rd of the appropriate month - can differ from year to year.

However, while that works for us in the astronomical sense, it doesn't necessarily work with our weather and climate. To better account for how temperatures change throughout the year, atmospheric scientists set their 'seasonal calendar' a bit differently.

Meteorological Spring begins on March 1, Summer on June 1, Autumn on September 1 and Winter on December 1.
(source)

The exact time and date of the December Solstice in 2015 is 4:45 UTC on Tuesday, December 22.

Because of the timing of this particular solstice, different parts of Canada will actually start astronomical winter on different days this year!

For anyone in the Eastern Time Zone and westward (UTC-5 or greater) it will still be the night of Monday, December 21 when the northern hemisphere reaches its maximum tilt away from the Sun. Thus, they start Winter first.

For those in the Atlantic and Newfoundland Time Zones (UTC-4 and UTC-3.5, respectively), however, the clock will have already ticked over into the early hours of December 22.

Not to worry, though. This won't mean a longer winter for anyone. Since the March Equinox happens at 4:30 UTC on March 20 in 2016, we'll repeat the same pattern. For anyone who keeps time by EST or westward, winter ends on the night of March 19, while in Atlantic Canada, it will be after midnight on March 20.
5034) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66279)
Posted 19 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
traditional Xmas scenes with snow like they portray on Xmas cards.

Traditional Christmas in these parts has always been a green world. Real (astronomical) Winter has only just begun 4 days before Christmas, how do you expect to have snow immediately then?

Seeing all the statistics everyone puts out, the chances for a white Christmas are, except for in Antarctica (!) low all over the world. It's more a fluke of weather than it is something that needs to be. No matter what Bing sings.
5035) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66255)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've got two or three threads that you can post your Youtube links into, there is totally no use to put them in this thread. Especially not since it irritates some people, who do not want to read your stuff.

This isn't the first weekend-start that I am moving multiple of your posts to your own thread(s). But it will be the last.
5036) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66252)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, my energy company isn't liking it because I am using way too little gas to warm the flat. Of course, having just installed a new HRE central heating installation, meant that we're already using less electricity and less gas than before with the VR installation. But with no cold to speak of - we even had the doors open today - I don't think they like having to pay me back €150,- on my end-of-year energy bill.
5037) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66250)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looking at the forecasts, this Chris(t)mas is going to be a wet one. But no lines of coke. Oh, not that snow?

As for Mark, people, he's had his final warning. It's either, or, and all his own decision.
5038) Message boards : BOINC client : New AMD VGA cards detection (Message 66245)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, appears I have been mistaken.
The case numbers in the code are for CAL detection, but since the newer AMD GPUs no longer support CAL, they won't use these strings in the client for the detection of their name. Then OpenCL takes over and the short name is the only thing you see because OpenCL doesn't do these long name strings.
5039) Message boards : BOINC client : New AMD VGA cards detection (Message 66240)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There should stay now: AMD Radeon R9 Fury/R9 Nano/R9 Fury X/R9 Fury X2 (Fiji) (4096MB) driver: 1912.5 OpenCL: 2.0 ?

It should say that, yes.

I'll ask the developers.
Can you please post your BOINC start-up messages, the first 30 lines or so?
5040) Message boards : BOINC client : New AMD VGA cards detection (Message 66224)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is the name given by OpenCL. The old name was given by CAL, but since AMD stopped developing for CAL, we can no longer detect the name from that.
The longer name is hardcoded in the client. So yours will be, with a newer client, an AMD Radeon R9 Fury/R9 Nano/R9 Fury X/R9 Fury X2 (Fiji).

See gpu_amd.cpp lines 241 and further for the hardcoded names of the AMD GPUs. I have added all the new ones not too long ago.

Until AMD comes around to adding the full name of their GPUs to OpenCL or another library, there isn't anything we can do about it, but keep adding their names to the client once every so many revisions.
5041) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 66223)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
We have released BOINC 7.6.22 for the Mac.

Cheers,
--Charlie
5042) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 66215)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.22 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.21 -> 7.6.22

  • CURL: Remove an old Verisign root certificate.
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.
  • Fixed clipping of the project icons in the simple GUI (Windows Only).


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.22
- boinc_7.6.22_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.22_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.10 included
- boinc_7.6.22_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.22_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.6.22
- boinc_7.6.22_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.22_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.22_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5043) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 66214)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
BOINC 7.6.22 released for Windows.

Howdy Folks,

We have released a new build to test. This is a public release candidate, please report your results as quickly as possible.

The big ticket items for the 7.6.22 release are:
* Updated localizations
* Fixed clipping of the project icons in the simple GUI (Windows Only)

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Please report your test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
5044) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about web pages reporting invalid credit value "---" (Message 66203)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's nice if you read their forums, which I do not. I did search through https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/old_news.php prior to my post though.

An oversight of most BOINC front-end websites:
Links to News: yes
Links to Technical news: no

Also nothing about it in the Notices.

But letting it rest now.
5045) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about web pages reporting invalid credit value "---" (Message 66200)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actually, the server code - certainly the web server code, which is what we're talking about here - has been fully updated within the last month.

Then I stand corrected, but there was nothing about that in their news.
5046) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about web pages reporting invalid credit value "---" (Message 66197)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My interpretation of "---" was always "not applicable" or "we can't decide yet" not 0.00.

But it's not consequent. When looking at the details of tasks that show with '---' credit in the task list, they show 0.00 credit in the details.
5047) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about web pages reporting invalid credit value "---" (Message 66195)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL - it's the festive season admins... i'm looking under the tree...

Trouble with the Einstein back-end is its age. While they may have updated the database a little to cover for glaring mistakes, the back-end code filling out the values on the website hasn't been updated since June 2010.

So even if you'd be able to get the code to change to show all the same values everywhere, doesn't mean it'll come to Einstein. You may also have to wonder if it's something fixed in the Drupal front-end that Einstein wants to transition to.
5048) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66191)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got your hip boots ready?:)

I don't even have a winter coat that fits. All past winter, including through the snowy periods, I wore sweaters and vests. No scarf, no mittens/gloves, no boots, no coat.

Really, to see all those people each morning with heavy coats on, scarfs around their neck and gloves on... only because it's 7C. Find it weird that people get the flu? They have no resistance this way.

I even drive with my window half or full down, one side because I don't like the heat my heater pushes out - to warm the lady next to me, but she's always cold, year round - and other side because of fogging windows. They defog easier with the window down.
5049) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66187)
Posted 16 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uh...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/611100/Winter-2015-Heavy-Snow-record-cold-weather-forecast-UK

FOUR MONTHS OF HEAVY SNOW: Shock UK long-range weather forecast for THIS winter.
BRITAIN should prepare for the worst winter in half-a-century with advanced weather models now predicting MONTHS of heavy snowfall, forecasters warned.
(all yelling theirs)

The moment I copy&paste all that, it's 13C outside. Oh, and it's midnight.
Snow? Yeah right.

Best fire someone at CPDN for reading the outcome of their data wrong. ;-)
5050) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66175)
Posted 16 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
**Sounds of a hammer, drill and electric screwdriver**

So... the new sign hangs on the wall behind the bar. Let's see what they think.

5051) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc client run all program , why? (Message 66169)
Posted 16 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
awww....

Without you saying what you did, we cannot help. Give an example of what you added for job restrictions in your config.xml
5052) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestions wanted of buying a new Netbook for BOINC use (not solely) (Message 66129)
Posted 15 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As always it depends on what you want to do with it. Just run BOINC? Which projects? Does it need a GPU? If so which brand? Do you want a good i5 or i7 CPU in it, or a budget i3 or Celeron? What's the minimum and maximum you want to spend on it? Any brand preferences?
5053) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc client run all program , why? (Message 66128)
Posted 15 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I take it you run a project yourself and you want all clients to run only one task, no matter how many CPUs they have?

In Project Options, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions#Joblimits you can set Job Limits.

<one_result_per_user_per_wu/>
If set, send at most one instance of a given job to a given user. This increases the effectiveness of replication-based validation by making it more difficult for hackers to get all the instances of a given job.

<one_result_per_host_per_wu/>
If present, send at most one result of a given workunit to a given host. This is weaker than one_result_per_user_per_wu; it's useful if you're using homogeneous redundancy and most of the hosts of a particular class belong to a single user.

See also http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions#Joblimitsadvanced for more advanced job limits, and for instance the capability of setting per processor how many tasks it can run.

You set these in the config.xml file on the server.
5054) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 66118)
Posted 15 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
We have released BOIONC 7.6.21 for the Mac.

In addition to the items Rom mentioned, the Simple View should now correctly show suspended tasks on all platforms.

Cheers,
--Charlie
5055) Message boards : BOINC client : Warning: Verisign/Symantec Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate being dropped from ca-bundle.crt (Message 66116)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
I’ve removed the old root CA from the bundle.

WCG and E@H are using certs from Thawte while R@H is using a cert from Comodo.
CERN is using self-signed certs for their HTTPS traffic.

I don’t expect that this is going to be an issue within the BOINC world.

----- Rom
5056) Message boards : Questions and problems : Warning: Verisign/Symantec Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate being dropped from ca-bundle.crt (Message 66115)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
I’ve removed the old root CA from the bundle.

WCG and E@H are using certs from Thawte while R@H is using a cert from Comodo.
CERN is using self-signed certs for their HTTPS traffic.

I don’t expect that this is going to be an issue within the BOINC world.

----- Rom
5057) Message boards : BOINC client : Warning: Verisign/Symantec Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate being dropped from ca-bundle.crt (Message 66114)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to Google moving to distrust the “Class 3 Public Primary CA” root certificate operated by Symantec Corporation, we're removing the Symantec/Verisign Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate from ca-bundle.crt, bundled with BOINC clients.

Things you can expect that will happen due to this removal:

- In the worst case ‘one additional certificate authority’ is trusted by the BOINC client that browsers do not trust. Volunteers would be more annoyed with their browser not working against a project server than with the BOINC client that is working.

- By removing the cert, we potentially can cause a problem where new clients stop working while the browser continues to work for a few weeks (until the various vendors remove the root CA certificate from their root stores).

- The more common scenario will be that new clients stop working against a project.

Making a backup copy of your old ca-bundle.crt (in the BOINC Program directory) and putting it back in place for the new certificate file may overcome this, until the project catches up.

Open discussion thread available here.
5058) Message boards : Questions and problems : Warning: Verisign/Symantec Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate being dropped from ca-bundle.crt (Message 66113)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to Google moving to distrust the “Class 3 Public Primary CA” root certificate operated by Symantec Corporation, we're removing the Symantec/Verisign Class 3 Public Primary CA root certificate from ca-bundle.crt, bundled with BOINC clients.

Things you can expect that will happen due to this removal:

- In the worst case ‘one additional certificate authority’ is trusted by the BOINC client that browsers do not trust. Volunteers would be more annoyed with their browser not working against a project server than with the BOINC client that is working.

- By removing the cert, we potentially can cause a problem where new clients stop working while the browser continues to work for a few weeks (until the various vendors remove the root CA certificate from their root stores).

- The more common scenario will be that new clients stop working against a project.

Making a backup copy of your old ca-bundle.crt (in the BOINC Program directory) and putting it back in place for the new certificate file may overcome this, until the project catches up.
5059) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 66108)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have released a new build to test.

The big ticket items for the 7.6.21 release are:
* Updated localizations
* Fixed crash analysis code in the manager (Windows Only)
* Fixed GPU detection issues
* Fixed minimum password text in attach wizard

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Please report your test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
5060) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc client run all program , why? (Message 66107)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the terminology what you mean with project.

We speak of a project when we mean Seti@Home, Einstein@Home, Primegrid@Home, Collatz Conjecture, Virtual LHC, etc.
The work that they run are tasks.

So what do you mean with projects, the actual projects or the tasks from those projects?

And what do you mean with 'download 10, computing all'?
It depends on your hardware if that's possible. An i7 octo core can run 16 tasks at the same time, when hyperthreading is on. An i7 octo core with 2 GPUs can also run 10 tasks, even with hyperthreading off.

It's difficult to give you an answer without some basic information about your system.
5061) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 66106)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.21 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Github Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.20 -> 7.6.21

  • MGR: Fix bug introduced by commit b9fd2db which incorrectly showed suspended tasks as waiting to run in Simple View.
  • MGR: Fix 2 more cases which incorrectly showed suspended tasks as waiting to run in Simple View: insufficient disk space and when only GPU apps are suspended.
  • MGR: Make sure we use the correct string when we construct the min password length text, setting the static control to an empty string causes asserts among other things.
  • MGR: Remove the need for the OnFatalException() exception handler, it interferes with our own exception handing technology.
  • LIB: Explicitly declare a termination function for handling terminate()/unhandled()/abort() CRT calls.
    Call DebugBreak() to make our exception handling technology kick in.
  • LOCALE: Fix localization problem with the Greek translation. It is causing a crash in the manager.
    It is already fixed in Transifex, but would not make its appearance here until the translation reaches 100%.


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.21
- boinc_7.6.21_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.21_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.10 included
- boinc_7.6.21_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.21_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

Macintosh 7.6.21
- boinc_7.6.21_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.21_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.21_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5062) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINCstats WCG error "No response from project" (Message 66093)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

We aren't exactly World Community Grid, nor are we in any way other than by name affiliated with the BOINC Account Manager (BAM!)

Especially for communications problems, always ask at the project first. It's their server your BOINC tries to communicate with, we have no insight in that. If you feel you need the help through here anyway, the please be so kind as to give a lot more information, at minimum the BOINC version and a snippet of the message log showing your problem.
5063) Message boards : GPUs : understanding which videocard to select (Message 66083)
Posted 14 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all questions, the memory size and which brand is better depends on the project(s) you want to run on the GPU. Some are more geared towards Nvidia, others towards AMD.

In all, the amount of processors on the GPU matter, the more there are the faster the GPU manages to run the work.
5064) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66078)
Posted 13 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It was indeed inappropriate and has led to new rules at Seti, they'll come to these boards in due time as well.

Pointing out: No messages that are deliberately hostile, threatening, or insulting.
The posting privileges of violators may be suspended or revoked.

I'm leaving it at the 12 hour cool-off period I gave you, but will just put you on administrative leave for a longer period the next time this happens. I really do not want to take over all of Seti's rules, so I just hope that you will refrain from posting pictures of graphic violence or links to images or videos containing graphic violence all by yourself from now on.

Perhaps you need that poster that says "Oh Lord, please help me to keep my big mouth shut, until I know what I am talking about." and put it over your monitor.

5065) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66051)
Posted 12 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No pity, Jord.
You are the last on the list when it comes to armed attacks and hand grenades,,,,LOL.

In the light of all of the terrorist attacks all over the world off late, I don't think this is anything to laugh about. This is pretty much of a threat to me that I do not like. Unbeknownst to you there can always be a lunatic who thinks he should do these things in your name.

I will ponder a suitable reaction to be taken after you come back from a 12 hour cool-off period.
5066) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu update not installing (Message 66050)
Posted 12 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed it through the Ubuntu Software Manager.

Those versions are maintained by someone else outside of Berkeley, and since the whole software is open source, this maintainer can have changed anything they liked in the software for the (update) behaviour to change. Now, I'll wait for any of the Linux gurus to pass by and comment on what the update tries to get you to download, but I suspect it's something you'll have to take up with the package maintainer at Ubuntu.
5067) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66044)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looking at that Pulp Fiction video, you seem to wish me a lot of ill, if not death, in the least that I shut up -but then with curse words. Looks to me like you can't take a joke. Your answer shows more about you, or your state of mind, than about me.

Pity.
5068) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66041)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I may not be who you think I am.

or
5069) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu update not installing (Message 66036)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Berkeley BOINC installer version is still at 7.2.42, there hasn't been any updates on it yet.

The version available through the package manager is another thing though. It may be that its maintainer updated the BOINC in it, but you ought to be able to check that by looking for the new BOINC client and manager specifically.

What is nagging you? If not BOINC itself, or a message through its Event Log, I wouldn't go for any updates. Which version did you install, the Berkeley BOINC, or the one from repositories?
5070) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 66035)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have just tested a BOINC Manager version that no longer crashes when the language is set to Greek and I try to add a project. It'll appear in the next BOINC installer.

Edit: 10 builds and 3 hours further, we finally fixed it for good. It'll require a new BOINC Manager and locale files, so it's really going to need a new BOINC installer.
5071) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to (re)attach project (Message 66034)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have just tested a BOINC Manager version that no longer crashes when the language is set to Greek and I try to add a project. It'll appear in the next BOINC installer.

Edit: 10 builds and 3 hours further, we finally fixed it for good. It'll require a new BOINC Manager and locale files, so it's really going to need a new BOINC installer.
5072) Message boards : Questions and problems : problems removing projects (Message 66033)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you, I had a very good dinner. Glad to have been of help. :)
5073) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC wide team not showing credits (Message 66032)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC Wide Teams team is only a template, used by projects to import your team. The BWT page does not show any credits, that's only showing on the projects and the statistics sites.
5074) Message boards : Questions and problems : problems removing projects (Message 66026)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you're not using BAM, why are you attached to it?
Detach from BAM, and then see if the Remove button activates on Cosmo. (Check first you didn't add Cosmo through BAM, though).

(I'm off to dinner for the next hour).
5075) Message boards : Questions and problems : problems removing projects (Message 66023)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you open BOINC Manager-Advanced view->Tools, what does it say here, Use account manager... or Synchronize with BAM?

Also, what is your setting for "Use BAM AMS functions" at https://boincstats.com/en/bam/settings/?
5076) Message boards : Questions and problems : problems removing projects (Message 66021)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
To be able to remove a project, you have to click on it in BOINC Manager to select it, then the Remove button will activate.

e.g. open BOINC Manager (Advanced view), Projects tab, using the mouse, left-click on Cosmology@Home, the Remove button (and all other buttons) will now activate, click Remove and follow the instructions.

If you added the projects through an account manager (such as BAM!), you'll need to remove the project through there and then sync BOINC Manager with the account manager.
5077) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 66019)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Phew, way easier that I try out all the test versions the developers send to me, than that I have to send those to you and give instructions on how to use them. :)
5078) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 66016)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the only thing that you have to do is change the language to English or another language you're familiar with. It has nothing to do with &lt;http_debug>
As I said, you can delete that out of the cc_config.xml file again, or set it to zero (0).
5079) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to (re)attach project (Message 66014)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah never mind. I can reproduce the problem when I set language to Greek. Then BOINC Manager crashes. It's a BOINC bug. You can work around it for the moment by setting the language of BOINC Manager to English (or another language you're familiar with).
5080) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 66013)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, I just set to Greek and found I can easily reproduce the problem. Should've thought of this earlier, but I only just noticed that the person in the other thread is also Greek... and then it hit me, that must be it. :)

Am informing the developers further.
You can take the &lt;http_debug> flag down again.
5081) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to (re)attach project (Message 66010)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you using BOINC Manager with the Greek language?
What happens if you set the language to English and then you try to add a project?
(Options->Other options...->General->Language->English->OK->click OK on the message about exiting & restarting BOINC Manager; File->Exit, follow normal exit procedure. Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager. Now try to add a new project)
5082) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 66009)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you using BOINC Manager with the Greek language?
What happens if you set the language to English and then you try to add a project?
(Options->Other options...->General->Language->English->OK->click OK on the message about exiting & restarting BOINC Manager; File->Exit, follow normal exit procedure. Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager. Now try to add a new project)
5083) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 66005)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me adds everyone else temporarily as a moderator... nah :)
5084) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to (re)attach project (Message 66004)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, can you please test with BOINC 7.6.20 if it works in that one? You can use the versions without VirtualBox.
5085) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 66002)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you.

Can you check for one or more of those zip files and send those to me as well?

The last three, like these are fine:
C:\Users\zagouras\AppData\Local\Temp\BOINC Manager_dbgrpt-8376-20151211T181459.zip
C:\Users\zagouras\AppData\Local\Temp\BOINC Manager_dbgrpt-7632-20151211T183806.zip
C:\Users\zagouras\AppData\Local\Temp\BOINC Manager_dbgrpt-3940-20151211T190659.zip

That's on the system you sent me the stderrgui.txt from.

Edit, and please answer me on my question: "Are you saying that even trying to set &lt;http_debug> will crash BOINC Manager?"
Because if it is, I have to write you a step-by-step how to on how to add the flag manually to a file.
5086) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 66000)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll give you my email address in a private message. Could you be so kind to email that stderrgui.txt file to me, please?
5087) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 65998)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thing that the problem is at the
Options -> Other Options -> HTTP Proxy
The cells are empty, no numbers in them.

Which is normal if you do not use a proxy. But that's why I asked earlier, if these are school computers, because if they are, it is very possible that there is a firewall blocking access to the internet.

But a &lt;http_debug> output will show that.
Are you saying that even trying to set &lt;http_debug> will crash BOINC Manager?

Are you using one BOINC installer between all these systems, or did you download one each for each computer? If you're using just one installer between them, can you please try to download the installer again? Just to exclude the possibility of a damaged installer.
5088) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 65996)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked for output of stderrgui.txt, which isn't in the data directory but in the %APPDATA%/BOINC directory instead. :)

This file shows problems and crashes with BOINC Manager.
5089) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to (re)attach project (Message 65995)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that Windows has its own firewall, that will even be in protective mode when the user disables it?

Navigating to the data directory and opening the stdoutdae.txt will also allow you to find the BOINC start-up messages. Albeit, we'd prefer the http_debug output more. Do know it's a long output, and please do not edit anything out. All IP addresses in it are of external projects, none of your own.
5090) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to (re)attach project (Message 65989)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, request from the developers: Can you turn on &lt;http_debug> in (Advanced view->)Options->Event Log options->check http_debug->OK.

Then try to add a project.

The output is written to stdoutdae.txt in the BOINC data directory. You can open that with Notepad, scroll to the last entries in the list and gather information there. The lines around the communication would be nice. Also, is there anything about this in stderrdae.txt?

The data directory is a hidden directory. By default it's in C:\programdata\boinc\, you can navigate there by just filling in that path in Windows Explorer and pressing Enter.

Lastly, go to Start->in search type %APPDATA%/BOINC and hit Enter. A Windows Explorer window opens. Please check if there is anything about BOINC Manager crashing in stderrgui.txt, and if so,p post that here. (Do check the date and time on the dump's time stamp, if there are more than one.)
5091) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 65984)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, request from the developers: Can you turn on &lt;http_debug> in (Advanced view->)Options->Event Log options->check http_debug->Ok.

Then try to add a project.

The output is written to stdoutdae.txt in the BOINC data directory. You can open that with Notepad, scroll to the last entries in the list and gather information there. The lines around the communication would be nice. Also, is there anything about this in stderrdae.txt?

The data directory is a hidden directory. By default it's in C:\programdata\boinc\, you can navigate there by just filling in that path in Windows Explorer and pressing Enter.

Lastly, go to Start->in search type %APPDATA%/BOINC and hit Enter. A Windows Explorer window opens. Please check if there is anything about BOINC Manager crashing in stderrgui.txt, and if so,p post that here. (Do check the date and time on the dump's time stamp, if there are more than one.)
5092) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 65982)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have just tested to add CAS@Home on my system running BOINC 7.6.20 on Windows 7 64 bit.

11/12/2015 16:59:55 |  | Fetching configuration file from http://casathome.ihep.ac.cn/get_project_config.php
11/12/2015 17:02:30 | CAS@home | sched RPC pending: Project initialization
11/12/2015 17:02:30 | CAS@home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
11/12/2015 17:02:30 | CAS@home | [sched_op] Fetching master file
11/12/2015 17:02:33 | CAS@home | [sched_op] Got master file; parsing
11/12/2015 17:02:33 | CAS@home | [sched_op] Found 2 scheduler URLs in master file
11/12/2015 17:02:33 | CAS@home | Master file download succeeded
11/12/2015 17:02:38 | CAS@home | sched RPC pending: Project initialization
11/12/2015 17:02:38 | CAS@home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
11/12/2015 17:02:38 | CAS@home | Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.
11/12/2015 17:02:38 | CAS@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and AMD/ATI GPU
11/12/2015 17:02:38 | CAS@home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 1.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
11/12/2015 17:02:38 | CAS@home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 1.00 seconds; 0.00 devices

No problem for me.

You're saying this is a school computer?
If so, does this school have its own firewall that may be blocking communications (boinc.exe requires access to TCP port 80 and 443; boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe need TCP port 31416 to communicate between themselves).

Edit: you didn't suspend network activity in BOINC Manager?
5093) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 65980)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
...right on the screen minimized the BOINC logo with a red spot on it.

That means that BOINC Manager cannot connect to the client, either because the client (boinc.exe) isn't running or because of either being blocked in the firewall, not that BOINC Manager shut down. If BOINC Manager shuts down, there is no icon in the right lower corner.

But as I said, please try with 7.6.9 first to see if that one does work.

Oh, which Windows versions does this happen on?
5094) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 65978)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please uninstall and try with the recommended version 7.6.9 available from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php? And then report back?

And for clarification, you're saying that BOINC Manager shuts down when you try to add any project, yes?
5095) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 65975)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cosmology@Home is back up.

Marius wrote:
We were down for the last ~24hrs due to some networking issues which are now fixed. We apologize for the inconvenience.
5096) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to Add project (Message 65974)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please test with BOINC 7.6.20 if it works in that one? You can use the versions without VirtualBox.

By the way, is the problem only with QCN?
If so, it's possible that QCN stopped adding new users, but you'd have to ask that on their forums.
5097) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65971)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
In other news today, straight out of a April Fool's Day book.. your Internet-connected barbecues are vulnerable to being hacked. Others can take over the monitoring process of your favorite meat on the barby and leave you with pieces of charcoal.

Of course, most of us are wondering if the world is broken if the barbecue needs internet, but hey, Australians ey? Mate?
5098) Message boards : Questions and problems : I have problems installing Virtualbox in 7.6.9 (Message 65970)
Posted 11 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
When the installation stalls at the end of the process, try to reboot. You're going to need to reboot anyway, because of that losing of the internet connection, which is normal as VirtualBox installs its own 100MBit host-only virtual Ethernet adapter. To finalize this installation, a reboot is required.
5099) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65953)
Posted 10 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.20 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.19 -> 7.6.20

  • client: close GPU libraries after we're done with them.
  • client (Unix): if libOpenCL.so isn't there, try libOpenCL.so.1
  • client (Unix): use dlerror() for GPU library failures; shows the filename
  • client: prepend [coproc] to coproc_debug msgs


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.20
- boinc_7.6.20_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.20_windows_x86_64.exe
Windows version with VirtualBox 5.0.10 included
- boinc_7.6.20_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.20_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe

5100) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found on Win10 (Message 65945)
Posted 10 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The driver version on the OpenCL detection on the CPU shows the driver is a higher one than 12.1 or 13.1
10/12/2015 11:32:15 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1800.8 (sse2), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8))

This would be a 13.9 at minimum, but is probably updated to the latest version available (15.1.1) and then you run into the problem that since Catalyst 12.10 the OpenCL support for the HD4000 series got deprecated.

So you'll have to uninstall the present driver, reinstall whatever you choose from 11.1 - 12.8 and make sure Windows 10 in all its wisdom doesn't immediately install the latest at the next reboot.
5101) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Any way to disable BOINC's usage of the page/swap file? (Message 65941)
Posted 10 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC data directory is what is written to most, so if you're worried about the wear and tear of the SSD and its finite writes, you best move the data directory to a hard drive with platters, that doesn't have that problem.

If you don't want BOINC to use the page file, best manner is not to set a page file in Windows. Or again, move the page file to a hard drive, instead of allowing Windows to maintain it on the Solid State Drive.

Start->Search...
Type 'advanced system settings' (without quotes).
Click View advanced system settings.
Advanced tab.
Performance->Settings.
Advanced tab.
Change button on Virtual Memory.
Make a page file on an HDD, it's imperative you do this before disabling the page file on C:
Do so by selecting the drive letter, then click System managed size and click Set. (When you do not click Set, changes won't be used)
Next click C:
Click No paging file, click Set.
You will now get a warning that Windows will be unable to give details on system errors if the page file here isn't at least 400MB large. Ignore that, just click OK.
Click OK at the bottom.
Click OK on the reboot message, then continue clicking OK until you get the restart message, click Restart Now and reboot.
5102) Message boards : Android : no project on Android 4.4.2 (Message 65937)
Posted 10 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thu Dec 10 07:54:31 GMT+00:00 2015|Collatz Conjecture|This computer has finished a daily quota of 1 tasks

Says enough, I think. Best check on the website in your account what it has done that its daily quota is just 1 task, then try to remedy that.
5103) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Any way to disable BOINC's usage of the page/swap file? (Message 65931)
Posted 10 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Counter question: do you only have (an) SSD(s) as (a) drive(s), or also at least one HDD? If you do have a HDD, why don't you move BOINC its data directory to the HDD (and then uninstall/reinstall BOINC, clicking Advanced in the third screen of the installer, then changing the path to the data directory to where you moved it to, before continuing the installation)?
5104) Message boards : Questions and problems : Runing issue. (Message 65917)
Posted 9 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My user ID is 9999354

At Seti, yes. Not at the rest of the projects. You'll have a unique user ID at each of the projects.

As for why there seems to be no work downloaded according to the Seti account, that's something that you should figure out:
- When in BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Projects tab, what is the status of the Seti project (or any of the other projects attached that you want work from)?
- When in BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Activity menu, is anything here set to suspended?
- When in BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Projects tab, what is the name on the "Account" column?
5105) Message boards : Questions and problems : Runing issue. (Message 65913)
Posted 9 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please take a look at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 for what minimum information we need, and then at least tell us which project(s) you've got added.

Also, what do you mean by in the web page no tasks displaying as running or finished? Are you using the correct account?
5106) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 65912)
Posted 9 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Outage due to primary disk failure
Due to the primary disk finally failing completely there was about 8h of downtime for the project today. For some reason the disk failure brouht the server down even though we are running from the backup disk since July.

The failed disk has been replaced now and the project is slowly catching up with work distribution. Apologies for the outage!

https://moowrap.net/
5107) Message boards : Questions and problems : TrendMicro Officescan blocking Seti@home download (Message 65907)
Posted 9 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is what we call a false positive. It can easily be avoided by setting your anti virus program up not to scan the BOINC Data directory and the files and sub-directories therein. Do this through the 'exclude directory' option, where available in the program.
5108) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disable GPU in Preferences not working (Message 65902)
Posted 8 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you do not want the GPU to be used at all, you'll have to uncheck its use - to download work for it - in the project preferences, which are part of your account at the project. E.g. The Seti Project Preferences, edit those, uncheck the use of the Nvidia, ATI or Intel GPU (or all three) and only leave "Use CPU" checked. Then save the changes to the website with the "Update preferences" button at the bottom of that page.

The next time your BOINC contacts Seti, it won't ask any further work for the GPU.

Since using the GPUs is a per project decision, you have to change the use of the GPU(s) per project in their project preferences.
5109) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65894)
Posted 8 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit..

If only it were available, ever... But seeing Wed, 04/01/2015 I doubt it. :)
5110) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65862)
Posted 7 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/commit/38ae01d1fded626162eaa0b5c3685cf720e0fd49

client: prepend [coproc] to coproc_debug msgs
5111) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65861)
Posted 7 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh darn. Oooh darn. Oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn, oh darn.

I had instructed Yvette specifically not to let anyone in cabin 9 until we're sure the renovations on it were done. Those aren't ready until mid-February 2016. I'm so sorry.

Please carefully pick up your stuff, don't try to disturb the dust, as it isn't dust but very fine [censored]. Believe you me, you wouldn't want to breathe that in. Remember that part of the cabin was built and used in the 1960s and they didn't mind using [censored] at that time.

So so sorry. You will of course be reimbursed for this first day, while we move you to cabin 12. That one is definitely refurbished. As is cabin 7, by the way.
Of course, if you already are a sufferer of [censored], [censored], sniffle-sneezes, [censored], hot-spots, [censored] or [redacted], you could willingly stay in cabin 9, but if you don't mind, please sign the waiver, here, here, here and there. Also on page 17.

Thank you.
5112) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65848)
Posted 6 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I agree, and I asked originally they be put under the coproc_debug flag, will re-ask that once more.
5113) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65840)
Posted 5 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Glad you like it. On the hero stuff though, all I did was gather some of your comments from three different threads and send those off to the developers, pointing out the validity of those points. After which they nodded, agreed and added the new code. So you're as much a hero as anyone else. :)

I then saw Agentb post his post and thought, yep let's forward that part of dlerror(), and although I asked for it to be part of coproc_debug, David made it show always. Probably just as well.

Now, if only I knew what the errors meant and how to solve them. ;-)
5114) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65835)
Posted 5 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do they visit this forum?

Depends on who you mean with 'they'. :)

If in this case the
# Debian init.d script for the BOINC core client
# Copyright © 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
# Debian BOINC Maintainers <pkg-boinc-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>

I doubt it.

And it's been a while since I ran the Berkeley BOINC installer on a Linux-derivate, but does the Berkeley installer use init.d? I think those are only used by the BOINC maintained by package maintainers, started as a daemon.

So, in this case you'll have to find the package maintainer for Debian and tell him or her that. Sorry, I know it sounds very easy to point to others, but there is really no sense in asking the developers about something they didn't add to the package in the first place.

By default the Berkeley installer unpacks everything in the home folder, and you start the client and manager by hand.

Edit.. I think Gianfranco Costamagna is also the Debian maintainer these days.
5115) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65825)
Posted 5 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anything else you come up with that could show where things go wrong, just let me know and I'll forward it to behind the scenes.
5116) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65822)
Posted 5 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
dlopen will return a fail (0) if

    + it cannot open "libOpenCL.so" - after searching - a file not found being one reason.
    + undefined symbols in the library can not be resolved (RTLD_NOW forces this), readelf shows these Shared library files dependencies in libOpenCL.so.1 on my AMD [librt.so.1, libm.so.6, libdl.so.2, libpthread.so.0, libc.so.6]
    + other reasons



so dlerror() should be called
and the error logged with the warnings.push_back error
- that will help with debugging.


Here you go: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/commit/bc8b9a5d9eb5ba232ff202a191c03512c5d5b5b1

client (Unix): use dlerror() for GPU library failures; shows the filename.
5117) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65816)
Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.19 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.18 -> 7.6.19

  • use snprintf to prevent buffer overflow
  • client/Manager: show correct app version in multi-platform case.
    The GUI RPC element for a result didn't include the platform name. So in cases where there were app versions with the same, version # and plan class (but different platforms) the Manager would just show the first one (e.g. the "executable file" item in Task Properties), which was not necessarily correct.
    • fixes places missed with 52f494e
    • fixes CID 27968 found by Coverity
  • client: Fix crash bug introduced in commits f0df42e and 1618ce3: do not dlclose(cudalib) until after we are finished using the CUDA library. Also added corresponding FreeLibrary(cudalib) for MS Windows builds.


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.19
- boinc_7.6.19_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.19_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.19_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5118) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65815)
Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Progress.

client (Unix): if libOpenCL.so isn't there, try libOpenCL.so.1

#else
     opencl_lib = dlopen("libOpenCL.so", RTLD_NOW);
     + if (!opencl_lib) {
     + opencl_lib = dlopen("libOpenCL.so.1", RTLD_NOW);
     + }

That what you wanted, Juha?
5119) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65814)
Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just accepted your friend request at Seti, although it had me thinking for a bit, because of the bad press your name-sake caused at the end of series 4, in the TV series Haven. How'd you dare do that to poor Audrey, just as she'd finally returned, again? ;-)
5120) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Fails to install properly after attended update on OS X 10.11.1 (Message 65813)
Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you wait for some time? It can take a couple of minutes before BOINC Manager connects with the client.
5121) Message boards : Questions and problems : memorize the compute and the network activities preferences (Message 65812)
Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2 is no longer being developed. If you want to check if this isn't working, you will have to update to a 7.6 version, which is being developed at the moment.

Locutus of Borg is releasing updated version quite regularly, as can be seen from https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa.

In any case, the values for the use of the computing- and network activities is stored at the end of the client_state.xml file. This file also holds all the information about the tasks in cache and their applications, so if you have no trouble caching work, there should not be any trouble with the status of the network and computing activity either. Same file.

The below shows the values from my client_state.xml file, state 1 is run always, state 2 is run based on preferences, state 3 is suspended.
<user_run_request>2</user_run_request>
<user_run_prev_request>1</user_run_prev_request>
<user_gpu_request>2</user_gpu_request>
<user_gpu_prev_request>1</user_gpu_prev_request>
<user_network_request>1</user_network_request>
5122) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65777)
Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, when you get lonely, there's a Jukebox in the Cafe with all kinds of tearjerkers in the assortment. Just warn when you go play them, I'll make sure I'll be looking for that floater then.

The camp store has a sale on tissues starting right this minute!
5123) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65773)
Posted 4 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well I'm seriously considering setting up camp here for a while.

You're welcome to stay.

Toilets are over there, showers and washing cabinets beyond.
The camp store is that way, hope you love spam and Ovaltine as those are in stock in droves after someone mistook a comma for a decimal point...

I'm afraid the swimming pool is closed, until the floater someone left behind is caught. Tuesday is Bingo night, Friday is Fright night.
Private TV costs extra.

Okay, anything I missed?
If questions, there's someone around for 16 of the 24 hours, dial 009 on the phone for reception.

Have a great stay!
Here's the key for cabin number 7.
5124) Message boards : BOINC client : Radeon R9 290X not detected by BOINC (Message 65767)
Posted 3 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Christian, this is a bug in the client but so far no one has been able to convince Rom and David.

Seeing how we have three threads on this now, let me try to convince them.
5125) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65757)
Posted 3 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm a middle resident, I do have a downstairs neighbour. :)
But that said, these floors are pretty sturdy. As far as I understand, the concrete slab runs from the front to the back, one plate, so difficult to flood the downstairs through. It's possible through the appliances cupboard, but that's out in the hallway.

It isn't the first time my kitchen flooded. Last time around it was when we were filling the central heating radiators and the hose blew apart. Before I had managed to turn the radiator fill point closed, most of the water from the radiators was in the kitchen already. All floor under 2 centimeter of smelly foul water.
5126) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65755)
Posted 3 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just found part 2 of the drippings... one kitchen cabinet and a drawer chock full of water. Upside of cleaning this out is that we're now rid of a lot of extra stuff we weren't using anyway. My upstairs neighbor who collects scrap metal will be thrilled.
5127) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65753)
Posted 3 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My wonderful partner walked into the kitchen, turned on the faucets to fill the sink for dishes, walked out of the kitchen and promptly forgot she'd turned on the faucets. I've just cleaned up the water-ballet in there.

Upside:
- the floor is clean.
- for the next two days she won't do that again.

Downside:
- it takes at least a week before everything's really dry again.
- not a clue when the water stops coming up from between the tiles.
- my blood pressure is way up.

She goes everywhere with her mobile or tablet in front of her, and more than half the time doesn't notice what's going on around her. As seen a moment ago, ref. water-ballet.

I have now forbidden her to go near the kitchen with any electronics in front of her for the next month. That'll last 2 days.
Edit: it didn't even last 2 hours. Just found her doing the dishes while reading a book on her tablet. Sigh. Learned nothing of me cleaning the kitchen after she messed up. Why didn't I let her clean the kitchen, then? Because then I still wouldn't have started dinner, as she wouldn't have been finished.
5128) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65747)
Posted 3 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
*carefully looks around*

Anybody seen a red lightsabre wearing Raccoon round here?
no? ok, then maybe I can have a quiet drink by the fireplace then.

What's he done to ya this time, mate?
5129) Message boards : Questions and problems : this website not secure (Message 65720)
Posted 2 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
seems a bit more work may be needed
..

The connection is a known issue, but requires a new SSL certificate. I spoke in length with David about it, he's now going to check what can be done about that.

Avatars and signatures.

Avatars are images provided by the forum software and stored on the local server.
Gravatar is a separate entity, although I see it does have HTTPS possibilities, so I'll forward that.
Signatures have external URLs, which don't always have HTTPS. And besides, when they do, you can change this yourself through your account.
5130) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 65715)
Posted 2 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Links for Macintosh 7.6.18 test version added as well.
5131) Message boards : Questions and problems : this website not secure (Message 65708)
Posted 1 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just put the image link the complaint is about in an HTTPS URL in Firefox, which comes out as:
5132) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible compatibility issue between VB 4.3.12 and Windows 10 (Message 65698)
Posted 1 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.18 is available for testing. The VirtualBox version has 5.0.10 integrated.

- boinc_7.6.18_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.18_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe
5133) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 65697)
Posted 1 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have released a new build to test.

The big ticket items for the 7.6.18 release are:
* Updated localizations
* Updated libcurl, openssl, and VirtualBox (for packages that include VirtualBox)
* Fixed VirtualBox detection for Mac and Linux
* Fixed numerous issues detected via coverity source code scans.
* Fixed how elapsed time is displayed in the manager
* Fixed localized number formatting issues

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Please report your test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


VirtualBox updated to 5.0.10
- boinc_7.6.18_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.6.18_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe
5134) Message boards : Questions and problems : this website not secure (Message 65683)
Posted 1 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
The code used HTTPS for forms with passwords, which is the only place where it matters.
Previously projects could use HTTPS for these forms, and HTTP for other pages.
With this change, if a project defines SECURE_URL_BASE, then HTTPS is used for all pages, which is not necessarily what they want.
5135) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65682)
Posted 1 Dec 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.18 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.17 -> 7.6.18

  • Mac: Add sched_msgs.cpp,.h to target libboinc in Xcode project.
  • Mac scr: add change I omitted from my commit d3071cd: build 32-bit and 64-bit fat binary for compatibility with OS 10.6 and OS 10.7. This requires building with Xcode 5 or earlier, because Xcode 6 forces converting to ARC, which does not support 32-bit binaries.
  • lib: fix resource leak.
  • lib: add descriptions for new error numbers.
  • mgr: replace strncpy with strlcpy.
    • strlcpy always null terminates the dest buffer, strncpy doesn't when the buffer is too small.
  • Mac: Revert my commit 385f1e5: remove sched_msgs.cpp, *.h from target libboinc in Xcode project because commit ea7edd7 (which moved these files from sched/ to lib/) has not yet been ported to this branch from master.
  • Mac: Modify Xcode project to allow all third party libraries to be accessed either directly or through symbolic links
  • Mac: Modify build script to allow building Screensaver with Xcode 6 or later. It will build as "Fat" 32-bit / 64-bit binary with Garbage Collection under Xcode 5 and earlier (for backward compatibility to OS 10.6) or as 64-bit only binary with Automatic Reference Counting under Xcode 6 or later. Xcode 6 and later won't build objective-C sources with GC and so will build screensaver only as a 64-bit binary.
  • Mac: Update script for compatibility with Travis-CI:
    • Allow putting third party packages in ../mac3rdParty/ as an alternative to putting them in a parent directory.
    • If the packages are placed in the parent directory, this script creates symbolic links to them in ../mac3rdParty/.
    • Return an error code indicating which build failed (or 0 if all OK.)
  • Mac: Update Xcode project for compatibility with Travis-CI: expect third party packages (or symbolic links to them) to be in ../mac3rdParty directory.
  • Mac: new script to allow building with Travis-CI.
  • client (linux): remove -n 7 in ionice call.
  • client (Win): lowering I/O priority is an option rather than the default.
    • Apparently even the thread-level version (SetThreadPriority()) caused the client to starve and become unresponsive if something else was doing lots of disk I/O.
  • client: fix bug in GPU detection.
  • client(unix): fix VirtualBox detection.


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.18
- boinc_7.6.18_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.18_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.6.18
- boinc_7.6.18_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.18_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.18_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5136) Message boards : Questions and problems : this website not secure (Message 65678)
Posted 30 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I read was that Christian added code to make all possible URLs sent by the project HTTPS when the project sets itself sending secure URLs.

I thought that what Gary meant was the warning that some browsers are now giving about some of the URLs not being secure, but that's something code can't change, but an updated certificate. Shrug. Sorry if I misunderstood, but then saying that 'this website is not secure' and pointing to an image isn't exactly helpful.

Aside from that, I warned the developers a long time ago about the certificate, it's out of their hands as well.
5137) Message boards : Questions and problems : this website not secure (Message 65676)
Posted 30 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You worry about the BOINC forums, but not about the Seti forums/back-end communicating with your computer with the same certificate?

The BOINC forums do little that require a very up-to-date certificate, we don't sport advertisements, we don't throw 17 scripts your direction before you're allowed to see anything, we don't ask you for your full name, address, place of birth, social security number, back-account details, or are sending you anything that really requires an up-to-the-minute updated certificate. Or whatever Google finds is necessary before it stops showing the "aaah, you're screwed!" icon.

In any case, as I said earlier, it's out of our hands. The certificate is given out by the University of California, Berkeley, and so we'll have to wait until they find it in their hearts to renew it, or get a better one. They won't get it just for the BOINC website.

But as I also said, you should be more worried about it over at Seti, because that does communicate with your computer on a different level, sending you executables and such that you do want to be correct. The only reason I can think of that you are crying about it here, and not there is that there you're using the even less secure HTTP protocol, instead of HTTPS.
5138) Message boards : GPUs : Disabling CPU work without disabling GPU work? (Message 65641)
Posted 26 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
But why can't we get to chose for ourselves?

You know the innards of your PC and what does what. The majority doesn't and doesn't care.

So when then given the option to suspend CPU but not GPU, and they check in Windows Task Manager (or similar in other OSes) they find that the CPU is still used and will tell the developers in not too friendly details to fix it, or...
5139) Message boards : GPUs : Disabling CPU work without disabling GPU work? (Message 65638)
Posted 26 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The trouble in this is that no work done on the GPU happens without being executed on the CPU. So with all work done on the GPU, the CPU is used to execute the actual science program.

The CPU program will translate the data of the task something the GPU can execute (kernels), move this data to the GPU's memory, then wait for the GPU to give the OK signal that this data was worked on, before moving it back to the PC's memory, translate it back and store it on disk. So quite a bit of work is still being done by the CPU.

And therefore we have only got the "Suspend GPU" and "Suspend everything" options, as without the CPU you cannot do work on the GPU. It'd be confusing.
5140) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible compatibility issue between VB 4.3.12 and Windows 10 (Message 65631)
Posted 25 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
I’ve started including 5.0.8 in newer BOINC builds. 5.0.10 is where VirtualBox started claiming compatibility.

I’ll update things so we include 5.0.10 in future BOINC builds.

----- Rom
5141) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible compatibility issue between VB 4.3.12 and Windows 10 (Message 65629)
Posted 25 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the developers.
5142) Message boards : GPUs : Disabling CPU work without disabling GPU work? (Message 65616)
Posted 25 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the project preferences, uncheck "Use CPU", make sure "Use NVIDIA GPU" and "Use ATI GPU" are checked. That is it.
5143) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65574)
Posted 23 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.17 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.16 -> 7.6.17

  • client: Fix bug in detecting CUDA GPUs on Macs which was exposed by commits 7be9ff7 and d0005d7.
  • client: fix typo in CC_CONFIG::write() (from Juha.)
  • client: fix compile warning.


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.17
- boinc_7.6.17_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.17_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.17_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5144) Message boards : BOINC client : Project with many NCI application (Message 65571)
Posted 23 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment the client maintains exactly one task for the each NCI application. As long as you name your NCI apps differently, they should all be able to get work.

But I see you already posted about it in the email lists (BOINC Admin and BOINC Projects), you could email to the BOINC Development email list separately and explain if it's your intent to use two or more NCI apps that do the same work, are named similarly, and why you can't make apps that are CPU intensive for this work?
5145) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65569)
Posted 23 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I noticed we all had lost the intent of this thread. Let me reiterate:

Rules:
1) This is the BOINC development board. Their posting rules apply. Their moderator(s) enforce. We are their guest.
2) This isn't the Politics Forum on Seti, consider it the Cafe Forum lite.
3) Have fun. Yes, that is an order! :-)


If you feel the need to discuss in-depth the way that others use project fora, please be so kind to continue to do so in the Politics thread.
5146) Message boards : Questions and problems : I can't open the BOINC manager? (Message 65546)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Like I said before you posted again:
It's possible that the project you had work for has none at the moment. That's something you have to look up on the project's website.
It's also possible that you returned only errors and are at your maximum amount allowed errors in a row, that's also something you can look up on the project's website.


Your log also shows that, in some sense:
11/21/2015 1:40:29 PM | pogs | Project has no tasks available
5147) Message boards : Questions and problems : I can't open the BOINC manager? (Message 65544)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's possible that the project you had work for has none at the moment. That's something you have to look up on the project's website.
It's also possible that you returned only errors and are at your maximum amount allowed errors in a row, that's also something you can look up on the project's website.
5148) Message boards : Questions and problems : I can't open the BOINC manager? (Message 65543)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What error do you get when you try to open BOINC Manager?
Or don't you get any error and does it just die down silently?
Checking in Windows Task Manager, is there a process called boincmgr.exe running? If so, try ending its process before restarting BOINC Manager.

You can also check in Windows Event Viewer (see for options to open it, here) whether there's an error about it in the System, Setup ro Application logs.

Edit: I see that in the mean time you managed to open the manager, so skip the above.
5149) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestion - Exclusive Apps to limit CPU %? (Message 65540)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like it, but you best ask this yourself through the new Issues window at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue

You will need to register there to make a ticket.
5150) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.9 downloads but won't launch in order to install (Message 65539)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you tell me what kind of error you get?
If nothing jumps to the front on the actual install, check in Windows Event Viewer. To open Event Viewer, click Start, click Control Panel, click Performance and Maintenance, click Administrative Tools, and then double-click Event Viewer.
Then check in the System, Programs and Setup events windows if there is any warning or message about the installer. And post that info here.
5151) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 65538)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.16 is known to have a bug where when you write something to cc_config.xml through BOINC Manager, that the end tag is missing. This will be fixed in 7.6.17 or later.
5152) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65537)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.16 available for testing for Macintosh and Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.15 -> 7.6.16

  • client: show "wrong URL - reattach" message as a notice.
  • client: remove CLIENT_STATE destructor; causes crash on Win. There's no reason to destruct anything; we're exiting.
  • client: add config option to not lower client priority.
    • We added code a couple of months ago to lower client priority: on Win, this is SetPriorityClass(), which lowers I/O and memory priority as well as CPU.
    This has the desired effect, i.e. to reduce the performance impact of BOINC when it's doing things like copying large files. However, it means that BOINC can take a long time to start at boot, which may be disconcerting to some users.
  • MRG: fix crashing bug.
    • Don't do fprintf(stdout, msg). If msg contains %, this will crash. Instead do fprintf(stdout, "%s", msg).
  • client, Win: use SetThreadPriority() to lower client priority.
    • We had used SetPriorityClass() for this purpose, but apparently this is too extreme, and causes the client to run very slowly; see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13631644/setthreadpriority-and-setpriorityclass
  • MGR: show zero time intervals as --- rather than 00:00:00.
  • MGR: tweaks in task properties.
  • LIB: Prevent the xml_unescape function from injecting control characters into strings.
  • Revert "lib: Prevent the xml_unescape function from injecting control characters into strings."
  • Lib: check return value of element_contents()
    fixes CID 27713 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of parse_str()
    fixes CID 27703 found by Coverity
  • Lib: ignore check_return defects
    This is intended because parse_str() won't change physical_name if it fails.
    fixes CID 27684,27719 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 27987 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 28017 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 27975,27996,28026 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructors
    fixes CID 27962 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of scanf()
    ignore the scanf() calls inside the loops to not loose performance (untested)
    fixes CID 27691 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of fread() in crypt_prog
    fixes CID 27709 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of scan_key_hex() in crypt_prog
    fixes CID 27714 found by Coverity
  • Lib: prevent null dereference after fopen() in crypt_prog
    fixes CID 27899 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return values of file operations
    errorcodes are introduced in 27594f0b
    Fixes CID 27701, 27707 found by Coverity
  • Lib: introduce new error numbers and add missing descriptions
  • Lib: check return value of fcntl() in boinc_fopen()
    There is no way to communicate what failed to the caller because they usually don't check the return value in the case of non-zero.
    fixes CID 27690 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of select()
    fixes CID 27700 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 27953 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructors
    fixes CID 27960, 28023 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructors
    fixes CID 27940,27947,27951 found by Coverity
  • Lib: prevent resource leak
    If a notice with seqno == -1 is parsed the object was not deleted.
    fixes CID 27845 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize buffer before usage
    fixes CID 27956 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value
    This does not break compatibility because the current caller CLIENT_STATE::write_state_file() is opening the file again for each retry if MFILE::close() fails.
    fixes CID 34502 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize field in constructor
    fixes CID 27976 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 27985 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize field in constructor
    fixes CID 27945 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of getsockopt()
    fixes CID 27722 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of fcntl()
    fixes CID 27704 found by Coverity
  • Lib: check return value of getsockname()
    fixes CID 27697 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize field in constructor
    fixes CID 28032 found bv Coverity
  • Lib: prevent buffer overflow
    fixes CID 27755 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 28000 found by Coverity
  • Lib: prevent dereference of null value
    fixes CID 34508 found by Coverity
  • Lib: prevent resource leak
    fixes CID 27906 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 27971, 28011 found by Coverity
  • Lib: initialize fields in constructor
    fixes CID 28014 found by Coverity
  • MGR: prevent resource leak
    fixes CID 38988 found by Coverity
  • MGR: make sure strings are null terminated
    strncpy() doesn't null-terminate the destination string if the source string is not null terminated.
    fixes CID 38958, 38959, 38960 found by Coverity


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.16
- boinc_7.6.16_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.16_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.6.16
- boinc_7.6.16_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.16_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.16_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5153) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65529)
Posted 21 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow... a blast from the past. Something I just found on my computer, while searching for a LinkedIn background image.


Not a clue which BOINC version that is, but seeing that the deadline of the Seti task is end of June 2005, it's ancient! And look at the menu bar!
5154) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65512)
Posted 19 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You didn't change places with Mark on the cutting table?
5155) Message boards : GPUs : GPU Missing (Message 65504)
Posted 19 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Driver version is: 358.91 - and is the latest.
operating system: windows 10

I was asking for the startup messages, starting from "Starting BOINC client hupsaflups", but all right, let's leave it for now. I'm assuming you didn't change the install to a service install overnight.

Which leaves those drivers, installed by Windows I presume?
Always, when having problems with the GPU going missing after you or the OS installed new drivers, either uninstall the new drivers and clean install them, or uninstall them and go back to the working drivers you had before. Also always get the drivers from Nvidia, not the ones offered through Windows Update.

The trouble with Windows 10 as I understand is that it will at times force you to use the drivers it finds are best for the system, and until Microsoft gets it into their heads that this isn't wanted by the user force, the only workaround here is to uninstall them each time, reinstall the previous ones and tell Windows you don't want to auto-update these drivers. And then hope Win10 allows that for the next fortnight.
5156) Message boards : GPUs : GPU Missing (Message 65499)
Posted 19 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post the first 40 or so lines from your BOINC Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), including it showing what your BOINC is doing, which project tasks it is running.

Furthermore, see When requesting help... about what else we may need. In this case it would be nice to know what GPU you expect to see and which drivers you or Windows installed.
5157) Message boards : Questions and problems : Some problems with domain version of the boinc-client 5.10.45 (Message 65497)
Posted 19 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just wrote an email about that to David and Rom, let's see if they want things changed or not.
5158) Message boards : Questions and problems : Some problems with domain version of the boinc-client 5.10.45 (Message 65491)
Posted 18 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It shouldn't do that as it's installed with the user installation. Only the service installation allows work to continue when no one is logged in, but that cannot be used on a DC due to the BOINC limited user accounts being installed then.
5159) Message boards : Questions and problems : Some problems with domain version of the boinc-client 5.10.45 (Message 65489)
Posted 18 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great! Thanks for the report back.
5160) Message boards : Questions and problems : Some problems with domain version of the boinc-client 5.10.45 (Message 65485)
Posted 18 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, in theory it should be possible to now run the BOINC 7.6 clients on DCs, as long as you are not installing as a service. In the past the installer would make BOINC limited user accounts for the client to run with whether you installed as a user installation or as a service installation.

Since some time now these limited user accounts only get installed when BOINC is installed as a service, no longer on user installations. Since the limited user accounts were the problem for DCs that run with a global user account, you can try to install the new client and see if that works. We'd like to get feedback on that from anyone testing.

The check from the installer if it is being installed on a DC was removed since BOINC 7.6.1
I have changed the Release Notes to now show that DCs are compatible again.
5161) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65473)
Posted 17 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're all watching the soccer, or the storm, or the BS in Germany.
5162) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65470)
Posted 17 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, here's a nice warning of sorts. For you who aren't updating their Windows 7/8.1 because you rightfully fear a Windows 10 push-over, be warned that not updating Windows with all security updates/Windows own updates will eventually give you a warning that your Windows isn't genuine. You can solve that by letting those updates through.
5163) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65464)
Posted 17 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tis down.
5164) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.9 downloads but won't launch in order to install (Message 65463)
Posted 17 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope you downloaded the correct version, i.e. the 32bit version of the installer as I'm sure the 64bit version will not work on XP. Else try this one https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.6.9_windows_intelx86.exe
5165) Message boards : Questions and problems : Event Log Filter (Message 65438)
Posted 14 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And since the output of the Event Log is constantly written to stdoutdae.txt (which when filled to capacity is renamed to stdoutdae.old and a new *.txt is started) in the BOINC data directory, you could search through the text file. BOINC has options through cc_config.xml to increase the size of the log files, the default being just 2 megabyte.
5166) Message boards : Questions and problems : transferring data from one computer to another and sending it in? (Message 65428)
Posted 13 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'd have to move the BOINC Data directory with everything in it from your computer to the laptop, then install BOINC on the laptop.
In the third screen of the installer click the Advanced button and make sure to point the data directory to the directory you just moved/copied the other computer's data directory into.

If the laptop is already running BOINC, you'll have to temporarily uninstall/reinstall BOINC, on the reinstall pointing out the other directory as the data directory, using the advanced option described above.

Afterwards you can then uninstall/reinstall the BOINC on that laptop again and point back to your own data directory.
5167) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65416)
Posted 13 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can't pay? Clean the litters...
5168) Message boards : Questions and problems : app_config or other means to limit downloaded WU? (Message 65411)
Posted 13 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Never tried this. So I need to d/l or create an ISO OS which runs BOINC; something like Puppy Linux? You know of a repository with some pre-made ISO/VDI's running BOINC?

Theoretically, what you do is run VBox, install an operating system in it and install BOINC on that, then add the project to that BOINC. So you could go for any flavor of Linux, and install either BOINC from repository or from Berkeley.

When setting up this VM before you install the OS, you can set it to use a max of 2 CPU cores. That way the BOINC in the VM will also only use 2 cores. You do still have to set the BOINC outside the VM to use only 4 cores, or else you'll get a severely overloaded system.

I'll try and see what effect 0/0 has on the d/l. That should be a just-in-time configuration.

0 and 0 will download 1 task for each available core, unless the work is so fast, then it might download a little more.

I was thinking more like BOINC reading the APP_CONFIG concurrent value and using it for WU d/l management.

The max_concurrent is only used to tell BOINC to run this many tasks at maximum for this application, not how many BOINC can cache of them.

If I could run 6 ATLAS on that machine, I would, but there's no money for more RAM this winter and so lVHC gets it's cut. lVHC is limited to 2 WU by the project, so other projects must be run on the machine if you want full load.

Well, you could try running CPDN on a low cache setting. Those weather models take quite a bit of time.
5169) Message boards : Questions and problems : app_config or other means to limit downloaded WU? (Message 65409)
Posted 13 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could run ATLAS separately in a BOINC running in a VirtualBox VM and tell it to use 2 CPU cores. Then you tell the BOINC outside the VM to use max 4 cores.

You can't use app_config.xml to set up the amount of work you want to download and cache as that's not an application decision. You'll have to tell BOINC to download less work. So set up a low value for Store at least N days of work (like zero), and an equal low value for Store up to an additional N days of work. Or tell BOINC to not use all CPU cores.

There's got to be some way to better manage WU downloads per project.

The easiest thing is not to try to run 3 projects with tasks with wildly varying run times on the same computer.
5170) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Log out and or Change account (Message 65399)
Posted 12 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't quite get what you want.
You install BOINC and then what?
Or you go to Seti's website and then what? If you want to log out of your account at Seti's website, you can do so at the top-right corner, just underneath STATISTICS in the menu bar.

Uninstalling BOINC will not delete anyone's account at any of the projects.

If you mean you want to change the account BOINC should run Seti for, you can do this through:
Open BOINC Manager.
If Simple View, click Projects, select Seti@Home, click Project Commands, click Remove.
If Advanced View, click Projects tab, click to select Seti@Home, click Remove.

To then add it back on another account:
In both views, click Tools menu, click Add project, select Seti from the list, click Next, click No, new user if you want to add a new account, or Yes, existing user, and fill in the details of the account you want to switch to, click Next.
5171) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Cruncher "Switch between tasks every ____ minutes" Question (Message 65393)
Posted 12 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default is 60 minutes.
Should you change it? That's totally up to you.

There is no right or wrong answer for this value.
5172) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC statistics screen display problem (Message 65389)
Posted 12 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this BOINC FAQ which explains how to fix it.
5173) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks?? (Message 65371)
Posted 11 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did ask one of the developers, because of a feeling of doubt on the messages. Apparently it is libcurl (the multi-protocol file transfer library that BOINC uses) that threw those errors. Either HTTP was corrupted, or the communication between your computer and the server got cut short.

Things to check:
1. Make sure BOINC (boinc.exe) is allowed through your firewall, especially for WCG on TCP 443.
2. Try to reboot the computer and then do the communication again.
5174) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks?? (Message 65369)
Posted 11 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm utterly at a loss to even know what to check to find what the problem is!

11-Nov-2015 5:05:15 PM | World Community Grid | Scheduler request failed: Failed writing received data to disk/application

11-Nov-2015 5:07:03 PM | World Community Grid | Scheduler request failed: Unrecognized or bad HTTP Content or Transfer-Encoding

Best ask at the World Community Grid forums, as it is their scheduler that is giving these answers.
5175) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65358)
Posted 11 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The surprise is that there's no work being split due to database adjustment work that doesn't end until tomorrow morning, but because tomorrow is a holiday in the US it can take even longer before work is flowing again. Isn't that a pleasant surprise? :)
5176) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 65357)
Posted 11 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti going to be out of work for a day or more.

Matt Lebofsky wrote:
BUT ALSO we needed to update some fields in the current science database schema to also make the database itself telescope agnostic. Just a few "alter table" commands to lengthen the tape name fields beyond 20 characters. We thought these alters would take a few hours (and completed before the end of today's Tuesday outage). Now it looks like it might take a day. We can't split/assimilate any new work until the alters are finished. Oh well. We're going to run out of work tonight, but should have fresh work sometime tomorrow morning. It is a holiday tomorrow, so cut us some slack, if it's later than tomorrow morning :).

Source.
5177) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65354)
Posted 10 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The surprise is no APs. :-(
5178) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65352)
Posted 10 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better ask the barkeep on duty who was being rowdy.

Can't. Its internal storage got conveniently corrupted. I'll check the secret hidden camera though. If I can find it. Not secret and hidden for nothing.
5179) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65343)
Posted 10 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The kitties will sit in their favorite corner by the fireplace.
Hope Jord stops by and notices that they didn't make such a mess this weekend.

If it wasn't them, then who peed on the hardwood floor to the right of the bar, behind the Wurlitzer?
5180) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65329)
Posted 9 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.15 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.14 -> 7.6.15

  • MGR: use thousands-separator formatting in a couple of places.
  • client: use "1 CPU", ".5 CPUs", "2 CPUs".
  • client: change quit/abort timeouts from 15 to 60 sec. The last change handled only the client-exit case; need to handle all cases.
  • MGR: format elapsed time as XXd HH:MM:SS
  • client: work fetch backup-project tweak.
    The logic for backup projects (fetch for a resource only if idle instance) was skipped in the case of GPU exceptions in my checkin of 10/10/2014.
    Not sure why this was done, and it allows incorrect work fetch in some cases, so taking it out.
  • MGR: fix typo.
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.15
- boinc_7.6.15_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.15_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.6.15
- boinc_7.6.15_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.15_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.15_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5181) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65328)
Posted 9 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.14 available for testing for Macintosh.

Macintosh 7.6.14
- boinc_7.6.14_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.14_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.14_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
5182) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.4.16 cpu benchmark (Message 65310)
Posted 7 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It can be that something else CPU intensive was using the CPU at the time of the benchmarks, so then BOINC doesn't try any further. You can initiate the CPU benchmarks yourself, from BOINC Manager->Tools->Run CPU Benchmarks.
5183) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 65301)
Posted 7 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.14 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.12 -> 7.6.13

  • client: GPU name tweak.
  • client: updated AMD GPU names, from Jord.
  • client: add separate config item for process priority of GPU/NCI/wrapper jobs.
  • client: fix typo.
  • client: fix set_client_priority()
  • client, Win: load SetPriorityClass() dynamically so we don't fail on XP. Also message tweak.
  • client: code cleanup of priority stuff; change numbering so 0 is low.
  • Fix issue #1128.
  • client (Linux): use ionice to lower I/O priority of client and apps.
  • client, Win: run in background mode. This should lower the network, disk, and memory priority of tasks and the client itself.
  • MGR: Fix an error introduced by commit 72fa383 which caused wxWidgets asserts.
  • Manager: msg tweak.
  • client: improve FLOPS estimate for NVIDIA GPUs detected only by OpenCL.
    If an NVIDIA GPU is detected only by OpenCL we don't know how many cores per proc it has. Instead of assuming 8 (compute capability 1) assume 48 (CC 2). We could assume 192 (CC 3) but better to err on the low side.
  • MGR: In Event Log, work around a wxWidgets 3.0 bug in wxGenericListCtrl (Linux only) which causes headers to be misaligned after horizontal scrolling.
  • Remove "cy" locale, not available anymore.
  • MGR: simplify my fix of bug which made it difficult to select items when certain columns are hidden.
  • MGR: fix a bug which made it difficult to select items when certain key fields are hidden (selection would always jump to item in top row).
  • MGR: Fix Coverity CID 117641.
  • MGR: Fix Coverity CID 39031.
  • MGR: Fix Coverity CIDs 117639 , 117640.
  • MGR: Fix Select Columns dialog so it preserves column order.
  • client (Unix): dlclose() dynamic libraries in GPU code.
  • MGR: Fix old bug pointed out by Coverity. Fixes CID(s): 38967, 38976.
  • client, condor, remote submit: fix a few Coverity warnings.
  • client: tweak to remove Coverity warning.
  • client: print network suspend reasons as strings.
  • MGR: Fix an error introduced by commit 72fa383 which caused wxWidgets asserts.
  • CE: Remove obsolete project files.
  • GR: Remove obsolete project files.
  • PTP: Remove obsolete project files.
  • WCG: Remove obsolete project files.
  • WCG: Add updated project files.
  • client: Fix build break on Windows.
  • WCG: Update project files so they branch to WCG specific code and resources.
  • MGR: Fix bugs in commits 289005d and e1eb20f (set check mark on Snooze GPU menu item and disable it when CPU is snoozed.) The earlier commits also set the check mark when CPU was set to Suspend indefinitely. This new commit also disables the Snooze GPU menu item in some additional cases when appropriate.
  • client: increase app-exit timeout from 15 to 60.
    • This is the interval between when the client sends a "quit" message to when it kills the app via TerminateProcess or SIGKILL.

    Apparently VM apps that do their own state-saving (i.e. that don't use snapshot-based checkpointing) can take more than 15 seconds to do so.
    Hopefully 60 is enough.

    Rom suggested making this interval shorter in the case where the OS is shutting down. I don't think this is necessary since the OS kill everything anyway after some period (5 sec in the case of Win 10).
  • client: if app uses > 1 GPU, show them all in resource string.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.13 -> 7.6.14


  • locale: Update compiled localization files.


Available installers:

Windows 7.6.14
- boinc_7.6.14_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.14_windows_x86_64.exe

5184) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65293)
Posted 6 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doing that much easier: haven't used BOINC the past couple of days, plus when it runs it's only to ask for APs. :)
5185) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC activity on port 2968 (Message 65291)
Posted 6 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The normal communication ports for BOINC are TCP 80 and 443.
It's possible to add a different communications port through a proxy. This is normally used to circumvent a company firewall.

Separately from these, BOINC uses TCP port 31416 to communicate between its parts.
It's possible to change this port number by starting the client (boinc.exe) with the --gui_rpc_port &lt;port> attribute, where &lt;port> is a value between 1 and 53640.

Unless the BOINC wasn't from Berkeley, but a third party supplied version that had the ports differently compiled etc. I don't see why BOINC itself uses TCP 2698.

Are you sure it was BOINC itself using this port for the internet, not for internal communication between parts, and not that a project's application or VirtualBox was using this? Which projects do you run on the XP box? Which BOINC versions do you run?
5186) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc not boincing! Can anyone help? (Message 65289)
Posted 6 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The tasks from Enigma that you tried to download had HTTP errors on them, they didn't download fully, is what's causing nothing to run. Try another project.
5187) Message boards : GPUs : Help requested: write a new how-to on detecting GPUs in BOINC on Linux (Message 65278)
Posted 5 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi all reading,

We're looking for someone, or a couple of people, to write step-by-step manuals on how to add the drivers for Nvidia, AMD and if possible Intel GPUs in such a way that BOINC can detect the GPU at start-up.

I understand this isn't an easy feat, with the big variety of Linux distributions out there. But that's also the problem BOINC comes across, where in some distros BOINC with the drivers does work, but then the next distro update everything's broken. After which the complaints are that it's obviously BOINC its fault, as it cannot detect that the GPU is there, while the same BOINC under the previous distro could do it.

So I would like to have a thread here with as many write-ups of how to detect the GPU in whichever distro is out there, old, new, with use of old driver, new drivers, old BOINC, new BOINC.

My knowledge of Linux is thin, or I would probably look into this myself.
My intention is to leave the thread here, stickied and locked, and add to it as you write the manuals. I can also copy the manuals to the official BOINC Wiki (with full kudos of course).

Think you can help out? Want to?
Then make a new thread here in the GPU forum, and describe your method of doing things.

With thanks.
5188) Message boards : GPUs : Devs we need rescueing (Message 65268)
Posted 4 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I already tried to explain over at Cosmology, it isn't exactly a BOINC problem, but a drivers problem. Your Linux needs all the correct drivers, you may have to symlink them to the boinc-client directory if they're not in the place BOINC expects them, and you have to allow for your operating system to load them completely before you start BOINC.

It doesn't help that this changes with each distro, and each iteration of distro. So it may have worked in a previous version of Mint, but not in the present one. It may be that the drivers are moved to a whole new directory under the new distro, so how is BOINC ever going to cope with that? Berkeley can't start to build a BOINC for every Linux distro out there and renew these for every new iteration of distro, there's just no money or man power for that.

So then a lot of that falls back to the package maintainers for the different distros. Perhaps that they can build a good BOINC for every iteration of distro, but then you do not want to live on the bleeding-edge of changes and updates, as building software and testing if everything works takes a while.

As for present versions of BOINC, there are lots available by Locutus of Borg at https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa, all the way up to 7.6.12 (present).

That there is no present official Berkeley version of a BOINC 7.6 is mainly because of a lot of difficulties with compiling wxWidgets 3.0 for a long time, and now because the developers have paid jobs away from BOINC that keep them busy.

If you feel up to it, you can also always try to change the source code and then compile BOINC yourself using CompileClient as a guide.
5189) Message boards : Projects : Universe@Home android app (Message 65267)
Posted 4 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will auto-update the list. You may need to restart the client, though. Not sure. I just opened it and had the new list.
5190) Message boards : Projects : Universe@Home android app (Message 65256)
Posted 4 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Present BOINC on Android already imports new projects with suitable applications all on its own. BOINC 7.4.41 on my Android phone shows Universe@Home in its list.
5191) Message boards : Projects : Universe@Home android app (Message 65255)
Posted 4 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the correct parties.
5192) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem on Windows 10 64 Bit (Message 65247)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally when you see artifacts and they linger even after a program that seemingly caused them has left the memory, it is a problem with the hardware. Or with the cooling of that hardware.

Is BOINC using that videocard just as a videocard, or is the graphics processing unit (GPU) on it also capable of running OpenCL tasks on it? Because if so, that puts more load on the GPU than just playing a screen saver does.

Things you can try:
1. Better cooling. It's a Notebook you say, but even those can be better cooled with a cooling pad.
2. If the project(s) you run support using the ATI GPU, deselect its use in the project preferences. You still have to run through any work in cache, but will not get new work for the GPU. If then in time the artifacts diminish or go away completely, it was the GPU.
3. Not run the screen saver.
4. If still under warranty, return the Notebook and have them replace the videocard, if possible. (But since it's probably built into the CPU or onto the motherboard, not easy to do.)
5193) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65243)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
He should've been fired as it isn't a bone, but a nerve.

Oh, hi!
5194) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65239)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need to shout!


Can someone stop that snorer?
5195) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to see name listed and no Stastics listed (Message 65235)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
All of the statistics pages are third party, we have no say in how they work.
But if you also got lost at Seti, first check which name you're registered with there. Or at least, which name BOINC says you're using at Seti.

Seti has maintenance at the moment, which means that the database is inaccessible, you'll have to wait until they're out of maintenance before you can look up your name or your account.
5196) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC isn't appearing as an option in my screensaver settings. (Message 65233)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So that then begs the question, did you install BOINC from Berkeley, or BOINC from World Community Grid? (Or from Grid Republic, or elsewhere?)
5197) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC isn't appearing as an option in my screensaver settings. (Message 65228)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rob, the WCG screen saver, does that show as World Community Grid or BOINC in the lists of screen savers?
5198) Message boards : The Lounge : Mark Sattler's self-penned biography about being banished, life, death, drinking, Seti and related matters (Message 65227)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord may not care if you post extreme views, but I certainly do.

It's not that I don't care. I just said I don't mind that people post their (extreme) views, half because that view may not be seen as extreme by others, half because it's the poster's opinion. I'm here to moderate these boards, not to babysit everyone and tell you what to say and when.

Are we to give people freedom of opinion, freedom of speech?
I'm all for it, hence why a lot of hostile comments, even in my direction, can still be found on these boards. I also still follow the moderator rule of "Don't let your personal opinions or moods affect your moderation decisions. You may not delete a post simply because you disagree with it or dislike its author. If you find yourself getting angry, take a break."

Aside from that, by the time I'd read the red-x reports and came back to this thread, Gary and Chris had commented on it already, with quotes. I can't then go hide posts because that kills the animated discussion. Now at least people are free to react to Mark that they think he went too far with that, or that they side with him on it. Even the non-responding nodders at home.

Just needed that off my chest. :)
5199) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65225)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That soup smells good. :)

You bet ya. It tastes really good as well.

0.7 kilo of finely cut up chicken breasts, that I baked with an onion, bamboo shoots and several spices. Added to that is 3.5 liters of water, one pot of vegetable soup starter, two cubes of chicken stock, 2 bags of coarsely cut vegetables, one bag of finely cut vegetables.

Sometimes dieting isn't too bad. :)
This together with cherry tomatoes and a small salad is all I may eat for the next 3 days.
5200) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65222)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Puts on "Candle in the Wind", hits repeat button. So, music for y'all is playing. 'ave fun.

Walks back to kitchen to see how the 3 liter soup is coming along.
5201) Message boards : Projects : Cosmology@home (Message 65209)
Posted 2 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congratulations to user Gary Charpentier, who on 2 Nov 2015, 7:25:28 UTC sent us back this result.

Hmmm, I'm going to have to keep an eye on you over there as well, ey? ;-)
5202) Message boards : The Lounge : Mark Sattler's self-penned biography about being banished, life, death, drinking, Seti and related matters (Message 65207)
Posted 2 Nov 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please all, don't write or quote things that others may find antagonizing or a deal with the devil, or an invitation for someone else to follow. While I don't mind you writing your extreme views on things of life, I would like to remind you that there are plenty of silent people reading here. Do not give them the wrong idea, or the feeling you gave them an inevitable invitation.

With thanks.
5203) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks alternative BOINC manager (Message 65163)
Posted 31 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you do this request through Github Issues? If not, please put it there.
5204) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks alternative BOINC manager (Message 65160)
Posted 31 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I hope not. You answered to a post dated 12 Oct 2009. Looks like your cookie of the thread-progress was reset as well and you started at the front page. ;-)
5205) Message boards : Questions and problems : Sluggish behaviour on my PC (running Windows 8.1), even after closing down BOINC (Message 65158)
Posted 31 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
my PC

Which is a what?
Please state brand/model CPU, amount of RAM, brand/model GPU(s) if applicable.
5206) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Communicating with BOINC client …" on OS X 10.10.5 (Message 65133)
Posted 29 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Run the stand-alone security script (Mac_SA_Secure.sh) available from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Using_BOINC.27s_security_features_with_the_stand-alone_BOINC_Client.
5207) Message boards : Questions and problems : Credit transfer issues (Message 65126)
Posted 28 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There was a problem with the cron jobs running on the new BOINC server, which caused a lot of back-ground processes not to run, including the exporting of BWT teams to projects asking for updates.

The cron job for the export is now running, it can again take 24 to 48 hours before you see changes, depending of course on how often projects get the update(s) in.
5208) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65125)
Posted 28 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I just checked... I lost 10 pounds as well.
My secret is soup. I make a mean soup, we eat it for three days. After that I make a new soup, which we eat for three days. The final day of the week we eat a normal meal. The rest of the time, in between meals, when I feel hunger pangs I eat cherry tomatoes. By the bucket.

Last week when weighed I'd lost 2 kilos, this week an added 3 kilos. So yay, 5 kilos in two weeks. Perhaps I should try drinking only unsweetened tea and (Aldi) bottled water as well, now still on CC Zero.
5209) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65116)
Posted 28 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I lost 10 pounds

Aside from stopping with eating, how'd you manage that then? Share in the secret. :)
5210) Message boards : Questions and problems : Credit transfer issues (Message 65114)
Posted 28 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's possible the projects don't import already existing teams. Or that they've just imported your BOINC Wide Team (BWT) as a new team. First check that there's only one instance of your team at the various projects.

Then ask at the projects forums if they import already existing teams, or import teams from BWT at all.
5211) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy birthday, David Anderson (Message 65082)
Posted 26 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy 60th birthday, Dr. Anderson.

5212) Message boards : Questions and problems : Credit transfer issues (Message 65075)
Posted 24 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
From http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/:

Teams and accounts that don't already exist on that project are added. If the team exists and is owned by you (i.e. its founder has the same email address), then its URL, description etc. are updated. It can take up to 48 hours for these updates to occur.
5213) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC wide teams account creation disabled? (Message 65065)
Posted 23 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So my question is if you've disabled account creation (temporarily or otherwise) why havent you announced this somewhere like on the BOINC wide teams website?

It is showing at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/:
July 24 2015: Creation of BOINC-wide teams has been disabled because of spammers. Contact David Anderson if you want to create a BOINC-wide team.

How to contact him shows further down in the text there.
5214) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65062)
Posted 23 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So we should go back to Dutch Treat then?
5215) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 65057)
Posted 23 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless someone got the flu.
5216) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 65055)
Posted 23 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
A further update on ClimatePrediction.net's predicaments:
A further update on the ongoing issues with the storage array on which the CPDN infrastructure resides:

Will in OeRC IT Support is continuing to work on restoring the storage array. The storage array has been rebuilt, and some services are being to be brought back online. These include a number of virtual machines, including the CPDN web server which is now back online. The CPDN project servers remain offline. Due to the expected back load of updates that will need to be performed with CPDN clients we will keep the CPDN project servers offline until we are confident that services on the storage array are sufficiently restored to be able to handle the load.

Once again, we apologise for the ongoing outage to services.
5217) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc not swapping tasks at frequency I requested (Message 65048)
Posted 22 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess default is C:\ProgramData\BOINC?

Yes.

Can I change that after BOINC already installed and it'll shift it, or is it a uninstall, copy/paste, install job?

No, especially you cannot copy or move it after you installed BOINC already, because you've got BOINC installed as a service, meaning that the directory needs read and write permission for the BOINC limited user accounts.

So you will have to uninstall BOINC and reinstall it, then point to the new data directory's path with the Advanced button in the third screen in the installer.
5218) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc not swapping tasks at frequency I requested (Message 65045)
Posted 22 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyhow, I told Boinc to swap tasks every 15 minutes but it's ignoring me and keeps running same task

BOINC will not allow a task to exit and swap to another application, unless the present task has checkpointed at least once. The preference to swap between science applications after so many minutes depends on whether the application can checkpoint and if so, if it's done it already.

A 15 minute swap is really too short for many of the applications used, as not all checkpoint every minute. Many checkpoint past those 15 minutes. There are also applications that do not checkpoint at all, or only once or twice well into the task.

The checkpoint is used as a save point in the task, so that when BOINC now exits running this task, that it can be started from this point onwards at a later time.

Whether applications checkpoint and if they do, how frequently, is best asked at the project the application is from, as they're best capable answering that.
5219) Message boards : Questions and problems : I'm having trouble selecting a task in the "Tasks" pane. (Message 65033)
Posted 22 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie put in a fix for this problem, I've built and tested the new Manager. I can no longer reproduce the problem.

* MGR: fix a bug which made it difficult to select items when certain key fields are hidden (selection would always jump to item in top row).
* MGR: simplify my fix of bug which made it difficult to select items when certain columns are hidden.

A new build will come out later for Windows and Macintosh.
People with Linux best build a new version themselves, or ask their package maintainers to do so.
5220) Message boards : Questions and problems : I'm having trouble selecting a task in the "Tasks" pane. (Message 65030)
Posted 21 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
1 Select columns -> Defaults (that's all on)
2 Select columns -> deselect Tasks/Name
3 Restart Manager, go to Tasks tab

I can reproduce it with this one only on the Tasks tab.
I can further reproduce it with Select columns->deselect Projects/Project option and then on the Projects tab.

All the rest of the options work for me as is. Reported it to the developers.
5221) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Show graphics" for setti@home greyed out (Message 65020)
Posted 21 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is because at Seti GPU applications have no paired graphics application. Only CPU applications have them. It's not something that BOINC can fix, you'll have to complain about that fact at the project's forums.
5222) Message boards : Questions and problems : I'm having trouble selecting a task in the "Tasks" pane. (Message 65018)
Posted 21 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have forwarded this to development, but must say at the same time that I do not see this problem.

Can the people with the problem please state which projects they've got added and if they only see it with certain tasks of certain project, or all tasks? Virtualbox or not? On CPU tasks or GPU tasks?
5223) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64987)
Posted 20 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, you found the white hair. I've alerted the hazmat team, they'll approach your building shortly. Don't panic. It'll all be OK in the end.
5224) Message boards : The Lounge : The Radio Kitty youtube thread.... (Message 64986)
Posted 20 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
More shocking though, this video made with a Russian drone of the outskirts of Damascus, Syria. It's a post-apocalyptic landscape.

All those destroyed buildings housed people...
5225) Message boards : The Lounge : The Radio Kitty youtube thread.... (Message 64980)
Posted 20 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
One for GTA V lovers: Real GTA V.

If you want to know how they did that, see the making of.
5226) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64977)
Posted 20 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I must have hit the internet connection key

UK mobiles have a key for that? You sure you didn't back it up into 'the cloud'? (queue GTA V commercial Cloud Computing)
5227) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64970)
Posted 20 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, I wondered if I needed to repeat it once more. :)
5228) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64968)
Posted 20 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And down...
5229) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different Screensaver? (Message 64966)
Posted 20 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti graphics application is only available on tasks that run on the CPU, for tasks that run on the GPU there is no graphics application available that will show on the screen saver.

To see the screen saver, set the screen saver of your OS to BOINC.
5230) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC 7.6.9 on Win7 x64 task focus (Message 64959)
Posted 19 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like you're not the only one with this problem: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10570
5231) Message boards : Questions and problems : Access Android client from PC (Message 64954)
Posted 19 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only files available in root/sdcard/data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc/client are:

boinc, boinccmd, lockfile, time_stats_log, gui_rpc_auth.cfg, ca-bundle.crt, stderrdae.txt, stderrgpudetect.txt, stdoutdae.txt, all_projects_list.xml, cc_config.xml, client_state.xml, client_state_prev.xml, coproc_info.xml and daily_xfer_history.xml
5232) Message boards : Questions and problems : Invalid tasks, how best to raise an alert. (Message 64927)
Posted 17 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I wrote earlier in the thread, this quota reduction is at app level! Fine working apps will -not- increase the quota of work-units for the failing apps.

As said, there are projects out there that use the older server back end where all applications use one quota together.
Einstein@Home has 4 applications (Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo), Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo, GPU), Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Parkes PMPS XT), Gamma-ray pulsar search #4) and only one quota (Maximum daily WU quota per CPU 32/day).

Let's assume a host running all four of these applications. Which means that when the host returns only errors for the "Gamma-ray pulsar search #4" application, that the quota goes down, but because the "Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo)" application returns good work, each of its tasks doubles the quota again. The "Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo, GPU)" and "Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Parkes PMPS XT)" applications also return good work, so these three applications together can keep the one quota high enough for the first application returning only garbage to continue unhindered.

Until either the system's user finds application A has been giving trouble for the past several days, weeks or months, or another user may have PMed him to tell him about it - this of course, if the user hasn't hidden his computers and thus is running as an anonymous user.
5233) Message boards : Questions and problems : Invalid tasks, how best to raise an alert. (Message 64914)
Posted 16 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If a host has issues its daily quota is being reduced automatically by BOINC, preventing it from becoming a task black hole.

Which is fine on a one core host, or a host that runs with only one GPU and one application sort. But not a multicore, multi-GPU host capable of running multiple different applications.

Because on such a host the one app that it has troubles with is counteracted by the apps that it has no trouble with. So its quota will stay high, but it runs through the work of the one application as if there's no tomorrow, only returning errors.

This can be solved by having a quota per application (something Einstein e.g. doesn't have yet), so the host stops asking for work for that application it has trouble with, because there the Max tasks per day is 1. For all the applications it doesn't have trouble with the Max is high.
5234) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 64908)
Posted 16 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Further ClimatePrediction.Net (CPDN) news:
The current status is that following a controller failure within the shared storage that underpins all of the services we have shutdown all services whilst we wait for support from DDN the company that makes the storage. Until this happens then any attempt to let derived restart could possibly lead to further failures.
5235) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC 7.6.9 on Win7 x64 task focus (Message 64905)
Posted 15 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not seeing this, but then I don't run any of the projects you mentioned.
Do you have your columns ordered in another order than the default (Windows only)?
Or else, have you ever clicked on any column's header(s) to make them order the contents of the column?
Did you hide any of the columns?
5236) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 64902)
Posted 15 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tell me when your decision is to use it and I'll write a step by step how-to, if needed in private message.

The Group Policy edit/registry addition is one of the options that companies use to not have to be forced by Microsoft to update to Windows 10.
5237) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 64899)
Posted 15 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As if I didn't know how to use regedit.

There are more people reading here than you. And they may not know what to do with regedit.
5238) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 64897)
Posted 15 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please not quote the whole text to then add a little ditty at the bottom? Totally unnecessary since you're the next person answering. Please cull your quote, or use the Reply button instead. Any next such posts I will remove.

As for Home editions not being able to use gpedit, they can add the register key directly into the register.

To do so, open regedit from the Windows Search.
navigate to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate and add a Dword (32bit) value named DisableOSUpgrade, value 1. The name requires the capitalization within the word.
5239) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 64895)
Posted 15 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do not install (KB3035583) (GWX), again, or it will change back the regkeys to allow W10 upgrade again.

Actually, half of those registry keys aren't installed by KB3035583 but by others. I know, because even though I have the 11th version of KB3035583 installed, I have nothing in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade

I do have OSUpgradeState (value 1) and OSUpgradeStateTimeStamp in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade\State

Also, if you truly do not want to have the Windows 10 installation, you'd better use KB3083710 (update for KB3065987) on Windows 7 or KB3083711 (update for KB3065988) on Windows 8.1 to add the Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update option in Local Group Policy Editor->Computer Configuration->Administrative Templates->Windows Components->Windows Update.

Enables or disables the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update.

If you enable this setting, Windows Update will not offer you an upgrade to the latest version of Windows.

If you disable or do not configure this setting, Windows Update might offer an upgrade to the latest version of Windows.
5240) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 64893)
Posted 15 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I posted at Seti as well:

Great news! Windows 10 updates are now being enforced on people's systems.
From GHacks.net:

****
Two new types of Windows 10 upgrade messages appeared lately on systems running previous versions of Windows. The first displayed as a timer counting down from 60 minutes giving users options to start the upgrade process or reschedule it (but not disable it).

    It's almost time for your upgrade

    Save your work and leave your PC plugged in and turned on. Your PC might restart several times during the upgrade and it might take a while. We'll let you know when it's done.

    Starting the upgrade in


The second displayed only the option to start the Windows 10 upgrade process after searching for updates using Windows Update (again with no option to stop the process).

    Your upgrade to Windows 10 is ready.

    You need to restart your Pc to being the installation. This might take a while, but we'll let you know when it's done.


Both are reported by the creator of GWX Control Panel, a free program for Windows to block the upgrade to Windows 10 on user systems.
****

****
Workarounds

There is a couple of things that affected users can do to prevent the upgrade from happening in first place.

1. Stop the Windows Update Service. While this blocks the upgrade for the time being, it is not the best solution as it blocks you from receiving updates for your operating system.
2. Use System Restore to revert back to a previous system state. This is one of the better options provided that a System Restore point is available. To run System Restore, tap on the Windows-key, type cmd and hit enter. Type rstrui.exe and hit enter again to open the System Restore interface on the system. System Restore is not turned on by default on newer versions of Windows.
3. Restore a backup or system snapshot that you have created with third-party programs.

So why is this happening?

It is unclear right now how widespread the enforcement of the upgrade is and whether it is a bug, test or on-purpose turning of the screws by the company in an effort to get more systems upgraded to Windows 10.

To give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, it is possible that this is a bug that is affecting only some systems. While that is not really reassuring to affected users, I find it unlikely that Microsoft enforces upgrades to a new version of Windows without user consent.
****

Also at ZDNet:
I've come across unconfirmed reports that using System Restore to take the system back to a point before September 15 will get people out of the jam, although the fly in the ointment here is that Windows 8.1 no longer generates automatic restore points by default, and they can only be created manually.

Only last month it was revealed that Microsoft was quietly downloading the Windows 10 installer files -- many gigabytes in size -- to users who had not asked for the, just in case they decided they wanted to upgrade.

It seems that Microsoft is desperate to get laggards who are still running Windows 7 and Windows 8 onto Windows 10, but there's a fine line between being enthusiastic about a new operating system and behaving like you own every PC running Windows, and I think that in this case that line has been crossed.
5241) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 64884)
Posted 14 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
All CPDN sites are off line.

There is currently an issue with the infrastructure rack on which the virtual machines of the project resides. OeRC IT support is currently looking into this. All main project CPDN BOINC services are currently offline. We will let you know when we have more information on the cause and on the restoration time.
5242) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why could "exceeded limit of 200 slot directories" happen on Linux ? (Message 64881)
Posted 13 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If possible update to a later BOINC version. 7.6.11 has a fix:
client: fix a bug introduced in commit [44c82be] which prevented the re-use of empty slots.
This bug affects only Mac / Linux / UNIX builds. It does not affect Windows.
5243) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 64879)
Posted 13 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As we speak, somewhere in Redmond there are teams already working on Win 11 and Win 12, it takes 3 years to develop a new system.

{snip}

Roll on Win 11 :-))

Without Windows 10 you will never get the next Windows.
Windows 10 will become Windows as a service, meaning that all future versions will install themselves automatically, be it as a full OS install, or as major patches. Soon after that, the version number of Windows will drop off as well.

That is why Microsoft wants everyone to fall in line and install it for you, reserved or not.

But at least a next Windows 10 - at the moment the Preview Build - allows you to clean install Windows 10 and then activate it with your Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 license key. That's not possible yet at this moment, without the installing Win10 over your present build, then activating it. Only then can you do a clean install.
5244) Message boards : GPUs : AMD FirePro D300 2048 MB Mac Pro 2013 (Trash Can) Errors (Message 64877)
Posted 13 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you do expect help here, we'd love to get more information first as now it'll just be a guess game. See this thread for more info on what we ask for.

Any errors you get are best asked at the project you run, as it's their data your computer works on with their science application(s). BOINC doesn't do any of the calculations so the errors you get on work aren't its fault.
5245) Message boards : Questions and problems : In place upgrade to Windows 10, now BOINC thinks computer is always in use. (Message 64850)
Posted 12 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hopefully in future updates to the BOINC client, there will be an option to ignore non-keyboard and mouse inputs like this one.

Actually, this is a problem with Windows 10's detection of the USB ports and whatever is connected to them, for which I think there's going to be a solution in the next big patch for Windows 10. It's not something that has to be fixed by or added to BOINC, because as you've noticed it worked flawlessly in Windows 8.1
5246) Message boards : Questions and problems : In place upgrade to Windows 10, now BOINC thinks computer is always in use. (Message 64835)
Posted 11 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you check in BOINC Manager advanced view, Activity menu, what the settings are for CPU/GPU and network use?
If anything other than 'based on preferences', can you instead set it to that?
Do you have any daily schedules set? (Options->Tools->Computing preferences->daily schedules)
5247) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I know if my GPU is being used? (Message 64833)
Posted 11 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Clean out the drivers with something like Driver Sweeper (from Windows Safe Mode) before installing them again.
Always uninstall the previous drivers, before installing newer ones.
And after uninstalling, it's a good idea to run Driver Sweeper or a similar cleaner as that will remove old remnants of the drivers left behind by the uninstaller.
5248) Message boards : Questions and problems : In place upgrade to Windows 10, now BOINC thinks computer is always in use. (Message 64831)
Posted 11 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just so you know, I am busy with your post, but need information from the developers first.

In the mean time, can you please check that boinctray.exe is running?
Can you also rerun the benchmarks (from Tools menu), as the previous seem to have broken off for some reason (perhaps the reason why your computer never shows as idle)
10/9/2015 8:56:55 AM | | Running CPU benchmarks
10/9/2015 8:56:55 AM | | Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
10/9/2015 8:57:27 AM | | FP benchmark ran only 0.640625 sec; ignoring

And can you set the preference for Suspend when non-BOINC CPU usage is above to 100%, please?
5249) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I know if my GPU is being used? (Message 64830)
Posted 11 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
11-10-2015 14:50:58 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5500/5600 series (Redwood) (CAL version 1.4.696, 2048MB, 2016MB available, 1040 GFLOPS peak)

Which drivers do you have installed?
For OpenCL support and to be able to run Seti/Einstein tasks on it, you need at least Catalyst 11.12, which isn't available anymore, so go for Catalyst 12.1. Or just any later Catalyst, bar 13.1, which has a bug in the APP runtime compiler.
5250) Message boards : Questions and problems : WIN 10, not completing project initialization (Message 64817)
Posted 10 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure you allow BOINC (boinc.exe) to have internet access through your firewall on TCP ports 80 and 443.

Could you also post all of the start messages of BOINC? The first 30 to 40 lines, please.
5251) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc server windows (Message 64814)
Posted 10 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not exactly sure what it is that you're asking, but if you want to download the BOINC client, you can do so from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php, or else through Debian package manager as such: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Debian.
5252) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver BUG on a Macintosh (Message 64795)
Posted 9 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best post through https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78228 as I know for certain that Charlie is subscribed to that thread.
5253) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager's Notices. (Message 64772)
Posted 8 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No. If you do not want to see them, your only option is to use a third party manager such as BOINCTasks.
You can also just not click on the Notices tab, and disable the notification balloon from Options, Other options..., Notice interval = Never. (This with BOINC 7.6.9 in mind).
5254) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missed deadline (Message 64748)
Posted 7 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
To force uploads, open BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Projects tab, select the project of choice and click Update. The Update command will immediately upload any outstanding uploads, download outstanding downloads and report any work ready to report.
5255) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64727)
Posted 6 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just in case, use three mattresses and 17 pillows.
5256) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weak certificate and obsolete SSL/HTTPS settings on boinc.berkeley.edu (Message 64723)
Posted 6 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
that causes the red strike-through in Chrome, because it expires after 2016.

Justeminus, it only causes a panic in Chrome. Not in any of the other browser families out there. Doesn't that make you wonder why Chrome is panicking over nothing? The connection is encrypted, the certificate is still valid until April 2017. We live in October 2015, why cause a panic now? No one has yet managed to crack SHA-1.

From StackExchange:

No actual break involving SHA-1 and using a structural weakness of SHA-1 has been currently fully demonstrated in academic conditions, let alone in the wild.

The best we have right now is a theoretical collision attack that should allow an attacker to compute a SHA-1 collision with effort "about 2^61", which is huge but still substantially less than the 2^80 resistance expected from a "perfect" hash function with 160-bit output. While 2^61 is within reach of existing technology, it is too expensive for even rich universities to casually indulge into that kind of experiment. So no actual collision has been produced yet. Moreover, for a practical attacker, computing a collision rarely grants a lot of power -- the attacker must usually compute a collisions with some degree of control on the contents of the colliding messages, which may be harder (or not).

Another parameter is that even if SHA-1 is perfect, its output size (160 bits) implies a maximum bound to its collision resistance at about 2^80, which is half a million times 2^61 (so quite more expensive), but at the same time not ultimately expensive. A 2^80 computation can be envisioned with existing technology and resources available on Earth without needing to invoke some sci-fi stuff or breaking laws of physics.

Since switching algorithms in deployed applications takes a lot of time (hey, we are still trying to get people to stop using SSL 3.0 and instead go to TLS 1.0, more than 15 years after TLS 1.0 was published), we'd better get it going now, so that SHA-1 is really phased out when technology has improved to the point that the 2^80 effort has become feasible in practice.


Added to that, we're not a bank. We don't sell insurance. There isn't really a need for encrypted connections to the BOINC web site, and therefore all links coming from the BOINC Manager GUI -and even when you click on that big BOINC logo to the upper right here- are to the HTTP address http://boinc.berkeley.edu/. That's the address most people will use. Only a handful of us who have set our bookmarks to HTTPS are using this connection. And of those, most will use Firefox which -as I said yesterday- shows that the connection is safe.
5257) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage (Message 64710)
Posted 5 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC supports parallel threading through OpenCL, but then BOINC itself doesn't do any of the science. That's up to the project's science application and it will have to support multithreading. As far as I know, none do at the moment, not on the CPU at least.

The message you see is from when any non-BOINC processes go over the threshold set by the Suspend when non-BOINC CPU usage is above N% preference. Default value is 25% (or running full bore on one core on a four core machine). You may want to change this to something higher, or disable it by setting it to 100%.
5258) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weak certificate and obsolete SSL/HTTPS settings on boinc.berkeley.edu (Message 64700)
Posted 5 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was wrong on stating that the certificate has to be paid by the project administrator himself. It's the UCB that pays for it.

BOINC doesn't use its own web site and domain with an easy to renew certificate that can come from just about anywhere. Both BOINC and Seti use UCB servers, web-addresses, internet and resources, including their security systems and certificates.

The InCommon Server CA certificate is one that is paid for and issued by the University of California at Berkeley. When it's going to be renewed, it will be renewed for the entire campus, at a rate of 15,000 dollars per year.

While it's nice that browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, Pale Moon etc. show whether or not the connection is secure or not, panic strike-throughs such as Chrome uses are unnecessary. If they find the site thoroughly insecure, they'd better not allow a connection to it anymore.

That was something Pale Moon did to the account page for The Elder Scrolls Online, while browsers as Firefox and Chrome allowed the connection to it -it had at the time only an RC4 encryption- Pale Moon actively blocked access to the site. Pale Moon blocks a lot of insecure sites that Chrome and Firefox allow, making you wonder how they really feel about the security of such sites.

When looking at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/:
Pale Moon (25.7.1) shows that the connection here is mixed mode/partially encrypted.
Firefox (41.0.1) shows that I'm on a secure connection, verified by Internet2.
Dolphin (11.4.21) shows I'm on a secure connection and that the certificate is valid and expires on 14/04/2017.
5259) Message boards : Questions and problems : Invalid tasks, how best to raise an alert. (Message 64696)
Posted 5 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Automated email perhaps? But that requires a verified email address, a little thingy none of the projects require (or does WCG?).

But even a rogue host at 1 task a day can run rampage, especially when it runs various different (length) tasks, some of which do end correctly. So for each correctly ended task, the quota doubles, which means it can download more work to go wrong on. This wastes project bandwidth and time, for all that work has to be resent to another computer.

And what if that other host is also on a downwards streak?
5260) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weak certificate and obsolete SSL/HTTPS settings on boinc.berkeley.edu (Message 64695)
Posted 5 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd highly recommend, if possible, updating the Apache and OpenSSL libs to current version for best possible security and performance, which will eventually lead to more volunteers willing to help with BOINC scientific project.

Thank you for that.

At the moment the security is grade B, both for Seti@Home and the BOINC domain. Which is better than the grade C we've had for a while after the crash of the BOINC domain server.

The weak certificates are an artifact of using an on-campus (Berkeley) certificate generating service which is free but obviously not perfect. It is already being looked at by the site- and network administrator, but we have to keep in mind that there is little to no money to do these certificate upgrades with.

So, while a cheap certificate could cost only 49 dollars for a year, it's something that has to be paid out of the pocket of the administrator himself, not by the campus. And then times two, three, four or however many servers there are that need these in the network.
5261) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64694)
Posted 5 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The main point about moving the original closet kit from the Seti Lab to the CoLo was firstly to take advantage of their better cooling, also a stronger UPS set up, and 24/hour support for rebooting kit rather than remote power strips.

The complaint wasn't so much about Seti moving to the Colo, but more that of changing from the trusty Hurricane Electric internet connection to the UCB campus network. I've voiced that complaint the past weekend as well.

It's not as if the HE/Campus connection could only be used in place X.
5262) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disk Space never restored (Message 64670)
Posted 4 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, then just create this functionality

Which functionality are you talking about this time?

As I already said in my last post, BOINC 7.6 has a fix for a bug where the slots directories weren't cleaned out when a task that ran in such slot was finished.

A next BOINC 7.6 version will have the additional bug fixed where when doing a project reset, parts of files in the project directory would stay behind.

If you do not want to wait for an official release with that fix in it, you can build BOINC yourself, following the instructions at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient#Windows
5263) Message boards : Questions and problems : Invalid tasks, how best to raise an alert. (Message 64666)
Posted 4 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
But wouldn't that only be of use when a host is invalidating all work thrown at it? The one or two erroneous tasks that any host can return at any time is something that the quorum and "max # of error/total/success tasks" takes care of.

The project should keep an eye on the hosts working for it, and notify the owner of a host when it runs rampage. But then the only project I know who does this is Climateprediction.net. They'll make sure this host won't get work again and then its administrator will email the user telling that host XandY is returning only garbage and that it's exempt from getting work until its owner fixes the problem and mails back.

Apparently not all project administrators are that much involved in their own project, or interested enough to try and fix this,

Other than the above method, I don't know of any.
5264) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64665)
Posted 4 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, at least this site is up & available to me. The past few days I had 30 minutes to 4 hours of access. Now approaching 21 hours.
5265) Message boards : Documentation : Broken links on Wiki documentation page (Message 64631)
Posted 2 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've removed the CAL products link. AMD no longer points to it anywhere.
Also changed the OpenCL products link to its new place.
5266) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64630)
Posted 2 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps time to gather a list of seers, fortune-tellers and clairvoyants to help them out? Bones, tea-leaves, coffee grounds, tarot.
5267) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64627)
Posted 2 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone else wanting a 24 hour vacation? Only today that they're free.
5268) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 64613)
Posted 2 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Matt Lebofsky, Seti project administrator wrote:
The problem persists, and as many of you already know there's a router on campus at the root of said problem. This is very similar to problems with had with our PAIX router where the solution was a memory upgrade.

Campus is aware of the issues. It's out of our control.

- Matt

This also affects access to the BOINC domain. Some can get here, others cannot or only for short times.
5269) Message boards : Questions and problems : Completely remove BOINC. (Message 64611)
Posted 2 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For that error we also have a BOINC FAQ.

Sorry I couldn't answer earlier, up until a minute ago I was unable to reach these boards. Not sure now how long it'll take this time.
5270) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64610)
Posted 2 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Matt Lebofsky, project administrator wrote:
The problem persists, and as many of you already know there's a router on campus at the root of said problem. This is very similar to problems with had with our PAIX router where the solution was a memory upgrade.

Campus is aware of the issues. It's out of our control.

- Matt


But know that my 15 minutes of being able to be here is now. Please cease the hostilities. All of them. If you want to fight, please do it elsewhere and certainly not on my birthday (which is all of today).

Now pondering the question, do red-x reports even get through?
5271) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64596)
Posted 1 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
This has been going on for 2 days now. How hard can it be?

It's a router that intermittently at random allows passage and not. The routing to the final servers works fine for a lot of people, there are just others including you and me, who have trouble and can't get here or at Seti at times.

Because of the total randomness of the connection being dropped, and the serious amount of routers and servers in the UCB Campus network, it's very difficult to track which router is doing this exactly. Do know that UCB Campus is 1,200+ acres big, with loads of buildings, and umpteen miles of cables and connections. It could really be anything.

Or, as Matt said it:
This is a really hard problem to characterize, and thus it's hard to help campus solve, but it looks like there is a router (on campus and out of our control) acting funny. Or it may be an internal problem that is difficult to track down (as this weirdness is affecting random machines at random times in random ways).

We shall see.. Sorry for all the confusing lack of connectivity. :(

- Matt
5272) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC folder not found (installation from distribution in Ubuntu) (Message 64594)
Posted 1 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Installing BOINC as a package uses different directories than installing BOINC with the Berkeley installer.

To see all the differences, check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Linux.
5273) Message boards : Questions and problems : Completely remove BOINC. (Message 64593)
Posted 1 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
... and the thread with some suggestions has petered out.

That's mostly because just about no one can get here, due to router trouble at Berkeley campus. I sure can't get here most of the day.

Anyway, how to completely remove everything BOINC is pointed out in this BOINC FAQ.
5274) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64592)
Posted 1 Oct 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just saying I got my eyes on all of you, for this minute I got through at least. The rest of the time, fend for yourselves. ;-)
5275) Message boards : Promotion : How to promote BOINC in local school system (Message 64555)
Posted 30 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
One answer from the email lists:
Become a guest speaker on the topic of Scientific Computing, & put together a Powerpoint and a few live demonstrations using school computers. Speak to the Science Club, and to specific science classes such as AP Chemistry by arrangement with the teacher. If you are a staff member, start a Science Club or a Robotics Club or something along those lines & go from there.
5276) Message boards : Promotion : How to promote BOINC in local school system (Message 64537)
Posted 29 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've forwarded your post to the BOINC email lists, perhaps that someone will chime in.
5277) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 64536)
Posted 29 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.12 available as recommended for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.11 -> 7.6.12

  • client: on initial RPC to a project, don't request work if 0 resource share.
  • client: don't request work on initial RPC if "no new work" set.
  • client: don't show "not using proxy" message.
    Otherwise this gets shown each time user changes any "Other options" item.
  • client: check for new client version right after state file parse.
  • client: VirtualBox now installs VboxManage to /usr/local/bin. Make detection of VirtualBox work again.
  • MGR/client, Win: use LOCALE_USER_DEFAULT instead of NULL in locale call.
  • MGR: use Wx interfaces for getting number formatting chars.
  • client/MGR: code shuffle to generalize comma_print()
  • MGR: make localized number formating work on Windows.
  • MGR: show total credit as integer.
  • MGR: fix comma-separated display of >32 bit numbers VS apparently requires "long long" to get 64 bits.
    • Also: convert various floats to double in the Manager. BOINC shouldn't use floats anywhere. Always use doubles.
  • SCR: Tweak mac screensaver for slightly better reliability.
  • client: Fix an issue which can sometimes cause client to take a long time to connect, especially on OS 10.10 Yosemite.


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.12
- boinc_7.6.12_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.12_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.12_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5278) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64527)
Posted 29 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, was too busy getting my cars shot from under me by total strangers in GTA V Online. It's my newest nerve calming game type. :)

Am going off again, warming up dinner.
5279) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disk Space never restored (Message 64515)
Posted 29 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
this engages me in many efforts trying to find the login credentials and re-adding the projects all over

Make a backup of the account_*.xml files in your BOINC data directory. Since you still haven't said which operating system you run, it's difficult to advise you where this data directory is.

We are not paid personnel

Neither am I, nor anyone developing BOINC these days. So I don't really see its relevance.

If there is a new current version that fixes this problem please give me the link to it.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php will point to the latest recommended version available at all times. The "All versions" link at its bottom links to possible beta versions as well.

Only Windows and Macintosh are 7.6 versions, the Linux version is still 7.2.47, because of wxWidgets build problems in the past. We're now actively pushing for Linux repository maintainers to build newer BOINC from source. There are also BOINC PPAs (Personal Package Archive) available built by (trusted) users. For example, see https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa.

I haven't seen option for automatic update of the SW either.

Which will never be added, because it's not secure enough. Besides, the installing party always has to be an administrator, while the running/controlling party can be anything but an admin.
5280) Message boards : BOINC client : feature request: UsageLimit for both "In use" and "Idle" or "screensaver" modes (Message 64503)
Posted 28 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're not the first person asking that, the request is all over all of the various Wish List threads, including the latest incarnation and already since 2011 in the BOINC FAQs.

It's been requested since 2007 and is widely available in the feature requests over in the BOINC Issues list.

At least it isn't a function of BOINC Manager (which is the graphical user interface).
5281) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disk Space never restored (Message 64502)
Posted 28 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could start with explaining what your problem is, instead of dropping in in the middle and then ending with saying you don't care.
You could also tell us which BOINC version you're running, on what operating system and with which projects.

BOINC 7.6 has a fix for a bug that was reusing slots without cleaning them up first. 7.6.10 (beta) has a fix for cleaning out the project's directories at a reset.
5282) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.9 Crashing (Message 64495)
Posted 28 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have just created a new file in the directory, edited it, well, added some content to it, saved it, reopened it and it is as it should be. I do not appear to have an access problem there.

An .MSI file is a MicroSoft Installer file, a small database containing whatever is going to be installed with it. It has to be executed, which requires higher access permission than just making and editing a text file.

According to my searches, error 1305 and Windows XP means commonly that the MSI file you're trying to execute is corrupted. Your XP does have at least SP3 installed?

Try to download BOINC anew, make sure to save it to disk before starting the installer. Make sure to save the installer file to a different place than you did before.

What you can also try is to delete all TEMP and TMP directories and all contents therein, for as far as you're allowed to by Windows.
5283) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.9 Crashing (Message 64493)
Posted 28 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Error 1305 is a Windows Permission error. It indicates you do not have permission with your present account to access (read/write) the directory you're having the problem with.

Which Windows do you have?
Why is it on the F: drive? Or is this a (network) mapped drive on another system?
Or is it on a CD/DVD (ROM/RAM) drive?
5284) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.9 Crashing (Message 64490)
Posted 28 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There could be a problem with those default directories. So change the path to the TEMP and TMP directories, to example given C:\Temp and C:\TMP
5285) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing MSVCR100.dll (Message 64488)
Posted 28 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having built several instances of BOINC from source code, I can tell you that MSVCR100.dll is not (or no longer) part of BOINC or its installer. MSCVP120.dll and MSVCR120.dll are parts of BOINC.

This C Run-Time Libraries article shows it is part of the multithreaded, dynamic link libraries, and thus more likely to be part of a project's science application or VirtualBox.
5286) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.9 Crashing (Message 64487)
Posted 28 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The installation package could not be opened. Verify that the package exists and that you can access it, or contact the application vendor to verify this is a valid Windows Installer package.

This is a Windows error that occurs when there is a problem with the Windows User profile or the TEMP/TMP directories.

Option # 1: Creating a New User Account

Windows Vista/7/8/8.1/10/2008:

  1. Navigate to "User Accounts" inside the Control Panel
  2. Select "Manage Another Account" followed by "Create a New Account"
  3. Name the new account and ensure it's an Administrator
  4. Log Out of the current Account and log back in using the newly created account
  5. Attempt a BOINC installation


Windows XP/2003:


  1. Navigate to "User Accounts" inside the Control Panel
  2. Select "Create a New Account"
  3. Name the new account and ensure it's an Administrator
  4. Log Out of the current Account and log back in using the newly created account
  5. Attempt a BOINC Installation


Option # 2: Changing Environment Variables


  1. Navigate to "System" inside of the Control Panel
  2. Select Advanced System Settings at the left-hand side
  3. Navigate to the "Advanced" tab and select Environmental Variables
  4. Under User Variables, highlight "TEMP" and select Edit
  5. Change "Variable Value to the desired location (Ex: C:\Temp\)
  6. Perform the same change to the "TMP" User Variable

5287) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64473)
Posted 27 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You did tell the police?
5288) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc 7.6.9 and Windows 10 (Message 64458)
Posted 25 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adding a link to the same thread the user has at Seti, with replies.
5289) Message boards : Questions and problems : Detected Trojan (Message 64446)
Posted 23 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Interesting to see your views upon the Windows Hibernation or sleep Mode.

I don't use sleep mode, that's different.
Hibernate will write the contents of Windows and anything that's open to a file on your C: drive and then close the computer down.
Sleep will write the contents of Windows and anything that's open to memory (RAM) and then partially close down the computer, but keep power on the RAM. Lose the power here and you'll lose everything.

With hibernate you don't lose anything when you lose power. It's a file on disk. This last summer when I changed to another case, I used hibernate, switched motherboard and all hard drives to the other case, and powered back up from there. No problem.

When I have to start from cold, start up takes approx. 10 minutes, from BIOS to fully loaded, no HDD hits anymore.
When I start from hibernate, start up takes approx. 3 minutes.
I'm still using hard drives, with spinning discs, which account for some slowness at restart. Depends on where on the drive parts have been written to.
One of these days when SSDs are big enough, I may change over to one. 4TBs are now just available.
5290) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64439)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's wrong with a broom, and a dustpan?

Ever tried to get animal fur out of a shaggy carpet with only a broom? Impossible.

Ever tried to get together all the feathers a moulting bird is dropping with a broom and dustpan? Also impossible.

(I've got my Mom's bird visiting, he's at the end of his moulting period and starting to sing again. Wokkel is now really interested in that yellow tennis ball. ;-))
5291) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64417)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
the cyclonic vacuum cleaner.................

Didn't know we had one. Someone being lazy again?
5292) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64413)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone seen the termites from the ant-farm Annie brought in last week? I swear they were in it Saturday when I last checked.
5293) Message boards : Questions and problems : Detected Trojan (Message 64410)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For home use I run AVG Free

Which you may want to rethink because of their new non-privacy rules.

Besides, all those 'free' versions of the anti virus always lack something as you already said. So why not go for a really free anti virus, one that's open source? The cloud based ClamAV for instance?

I now run the Immunet3 client, it's fast, it doesn't take up my computer when I restart it or when I bring it out of hibernation. Before I had Microsoft's Windows Security Essentials, and although it started off fine it was irritating me lately that when I bring my computer out of hibernation, I can't use it for five to ten minutes because WSE is doing a scan and slowing everything down.

I don't put my computer in hibernation to then have to wait loads of minutes to be able to use it. I can then just as well power down completely.

Immunet3 did a full system scan last night, it used all 4 of my cores for that and scanned the complete 2.5TB if 3 hours and 5 minutes. Found 14 things it didn't trust and put them in quarantine, I checked them over and put three game launchers back. The rest was probably suspicious. And stuff that WSE, Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and SuperAntispyware missed.
5294) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager pop-up: Communicating with client, please wait -- Temporary Hang (Message 64403)
Posted 21 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are the causes for this pop-up? How do I get around this issue?

Your account doesn't have permission to operate BOINC Manager.
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Selecting_which_users_may_run_BOINC_Manager on how to fix that.
5295) Message boards : GPUs : Screen is turning black (Message 64372)
Posted 19 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only options I think you have is trying different drivers until you find one that's sturdy enough and doesn't crash, or not use the GPU for calculations.

There is a slight possibility it's a power supply unit issue, where the PSU isn't strong enough to power the whole system. Do you know what brand, model and strength PSU you have?
5296) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc not accepting Uploads from any of my PC's (Message 64370)
Posted 19 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't upload to BOINC anyway, as BOINC is not a project. :)

Seti however has been down for most of the day due to a fire in the Berkeley University Data Center. It's in the process of coming back up, uploads are slowly trickling through. Downloads and reports will have to wait longer for everything to be brought back up, synced and checked.

For more info, check https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78202

Due to this fire, all of the *.berkeley.edu domain was off line since yesterday evening. So that includes BOINC, Seti and the whole Berkeley campus.
5297) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to run BOINC Screensaver on Dual Monitors using 1 Computer? (Message 64369)
Posted 19 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can only be done with two videocards. The BOINC/projects screen saver is OpenGL 1.0/1.1 which does not support multiple monitors.
5298) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64365)
Posted 19 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not trying to figure out what the Doctor's episode meant?

Spoilers: Clara dead? Missy dead? The TARDIS destroyed? /Spoilers

When quoting this, make sure to remove the spoiler, or adjust the color to the background of the quote window. Background colour for a Quote is #f5fffa, like so:
Spoilers: Clara dead? Missy dead? The TARDIS destroyed? /Spoilers
5299) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64363)
Posted 19 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here I was hoping for a weekend off. Oh well.
5300) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64358)
Posted 18 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You forget the fun lines after that:

18/09/2015 23:29:40 | SETI@home | Project requested delay of 3600 seconds
18/09/2015 23:29:40 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 01:00:00
5301) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 64349)
Posted 18 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.11 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.10 -> 7.6.11

  • client: fix a bug introduced in commit [44c82be] which prevented the re-use of empty slots.
    This bug affects only Mac / Linux / UNIX builds. It does not affect Windows.


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.11
- boinc_7.6.11_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.11_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.11_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5302) Message boards : BOINC client : Error "exceeded limit of directories" due to failing recycling of slots (Message 64342)
Posted 17 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer has been busy testing things and found what caused this. He has since fixed the problem. It's in the new recommended 7.6.11 available from the normal download page.
5303) Message boards : BOINC client : Error "exceeded limit of directories" due to failing recycling of slots (Message 64321)
Posted 16 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've activated the slot_debug logging on both boxes

That's the right tag. Once you hit upon the problem again, check if there is extra information about it in stdoutdae.txt / Event Log. And post that here. :)
5304) Message boards : BOINC client : Error "exceeded limit of directories" due to failing recycling of slots (Message 64299)
Posted 16 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have forwarded it to the developers. Let's see if they want to answer.
5305) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 64297)
Posted 16 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.10 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.9 -> 7.6.10

  • client: clean out project dir on project reset.
    • always delete the files that BOINC knows about
    • if not anonymous platform, delete all files
    • except never delete app_config.xml
  • MGR: always get current disk usage data from client; don't cache it.
    • The idea of limiting the rate of GUI RPCs only applies to periodic RPCs like get_results, get_state etc.
    The get_disk_usage() RPC is used only when rendering the disk usage tab or showing project properties. In both cases we want to show the current info.
  • MGR: When a volunteer manually inputs an Account Manager URL, do not overwrite it with what was previously selected.
  • MGR: format time intervals as Dd HH:MM:SS. Combine redundant TimeFormat() functions.
  • MGR and client: print numbers with thousands separators in various places.
  • MGR and client: have comma_print() return a std::string, avoid static buffer problem.
  • MGR: Better test for whether client is running. Fixes bug which caused Manager to launch multiple clients when <allow_multiple_clients> is set.
  • client: fix problem where app processes inherit open files from async copies.
    • Github issue #1388 describes a situation where a wrapper can't exec an executable file because there's an open file descriptor to it.
    This happens only if the file is > 10 MB so that async copy is used.

    The reason for this (which Rom identified) is as follows: suppose several such tasks start around the same time. The first async copy finishes and the wrapper is started by fork/exec. The process inherits open fds for all the other copies. When they finish and are started, they won't be able to exec.

    The fix is to use boinc_fopen() instead of fopen() in ASYNC_COPY.
    The former sets its fd to close-on-exec.

    In general the client should always use boinc_fopen() instead of fopen(); in addition to close-on-exec, it also does retry. David changed a couple of other fopen()s also.

  • Mac scr: revert to using Objective-C Garbage Collection instead of Automatic Reference Counting, for compatibility with OS 10.6 and OS 10.7, which require GC in screensavers. It is still compatible with OS 10.8 through OS 10.11. This requires building with Xcode 5 or earlier, because Xcode 6 forces converting to ARC.




Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.10
- boinc_7.6.10_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.10_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.10_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5306) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64269)
Posted 15 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And again I lose a post due to the project being down. Sigh.

Merlin to Arthur "It is the way of things ..."

It is also useful for once as I have now just discovered information I didn't have or knew before and can incorporate that into the post. :)
5307) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64261)
Posted 15 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And again I lose a post due to the project being down. Sigh.
5308) Message boards : Promotion : Annual Windows phone BOINC inquiry (Message 64247)
Posted 14 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since the development of BOINC has changed from a 'three paid-by-NSF funds developers outfit with lots of volunteer developers' to an 'only volunteer developers outfit', you best ask budding programmers/developers/code porters if they can port the source code to the Windows phone operating system and run from there.
5309) Message boards : The Lounge : Mark Sattler's self-penned biography about being banished, life, death, drinking, Seti and related matters (Message 64240)
Posted 14 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And Jord, I am not so sure I appreciate your thread title about 'frivolous'.

Since you're unconcernedly posting your life's material in threads that have nothing to do with it, in the process annoying the rest of the constabulary, I could probably change it to facetious, shallow, thoughtless, ill-considered, silly, foolish, superficial, light-minded, whimsical, skittish, irresponsible, empty-headed, pea-brained or vapid. But then you might want frivolous instead, as that covers the contents best.

So therefore I am not going to change it.

Also, when I make such a thread for you, I expect it'll be used by you for just such musings. Not that you continue to off-load them in the Seti is down thread.

So, here's one extra rule from now on. Either you post your thoughts, musings, drunken sways and rants into this thread, or when you continue to put them into the Seti is down thread, I will go delete them. Not hide, but delete. Delete does not send an email with the contents and a warning.

You will probably prefer the latter, but as I already said earlier in this thread and also again through the move post email, I am not your personal servant who will clean up after you the day after you decided that the rules are not for you to follow.

My patience is wearing thin. Doesn't matter how many large apologies you send my way. If that same day after the apology you already forget what you just apologized for and that you promised you'd better yourself, why would I believe any of it?
5310) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running way too many processes (Message 64239)
Posted 14 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I find "allow_multiple_clients" a very confusing name. Does this mean it allows multiple boinc.exe processes or does it allow multiple boincmgr.exe clients?

BOINC consists of two main parts: the client that does all the scheduling, communications with projects, caching of work. This client is boinc.exe
The second part is the graphical user interface, also called BOINC Manager. It allows you to easily control the client.

So when you have set somewhere to allow multiple clients, this always is about the BOINC client, never the BOINC Manager. It's always possible to run multiple managers, to contact and control multiple clients running on remote systems.

Also, where do I get the skeleton cc_config.xml file? I would have though that reinstalling 7.4.42 would have installed one in the data directory. It did not.

BOINC runs fine without a client configuration file. It does not install with an empty one available. You either have to make on yourself by hand, or by using the daily schedules in BOINC 7.4, or by using the Event Log Options preference in BOINC 7.6.9 BOINC Manager.

Most of what cc_config.xml is used for is setting of debug flags to check for bugs within the client, or setting advanced user settings. As a normal/novice user you don't need it.
5311) Message boards : BOINC client : Error "exceeded limit of directories" due to failing recycling of slots (Message 64218)
Posted 13 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.10 is the new recommended version for the Mac, please test with that one if you can reproduce the problem.
5312) Message boards : The Lounge : Mark Sattler's self-penned biography about being banished, life, death, drinking, Seti and related matters (Message 64213)
Posted 13 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
This here thread is for Mark Sattler to post anything he likes into. This to relieve the Seti is down thread from the constant bombardment of these posts. Now there is no reason for Mark to post that in the Seti thread, he can leave them here.

Of course, if he feels this thread is not for him and he wants to continue to post in the Seti is down thread, the moderators here will give him a 12 hour banishment to sober up and depending on who does it and their mood, either move all posts to this thread, or delete them. Who cares.

21 posts moved. Just like Knut your own thread to be yourself in. Your own rules (within reason). A great and easily untenable thread ID: 10500. What do you want more?

A thank you would be nice. A sorry to everyone around here as well.

One thing: When Mark is banished, all his posts are hidden for the public. That means that this thread can look weird. But that said, if all is well, Mark won't be banished again as there's no reason to, is there Mark? :)
5313) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64192)
Posted 12 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did the Post-It note fall off your monitor, or did one of your cats eat it?
5314) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64182)
Posted 12 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gawd, why even quit drinking if this is the result?

They don't know that until you're a year on and do a celebration. Normally though it'll also show in posting style.
5315) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64178)
Posted 12 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good Lord, it's an epidemic. Do we want to know?
5316) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.6.9 Screensaver not working on Mac OSX 10.7.5 (Message 64175)
Posted 12 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer for the Mac has posted a new recommended release, 7.6.10 that has a fix for this problem. You can download it from the normal download page.
5317) Message boards : BOINC Manager : FSF endosert Linux Distros are deleting Boinc. (Message 64172)
Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
If someone were to keep track of the licenses of the apps
used by BOINC projects, we could use this to make a client version that showed only projects with open-source apps.

But I think this is a silly idea and not worth doing.
To me, other attributes of projects - like whether their computational results will eventually be made publicly available - are more significant than whether the app is open source.
5318) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 64154)
Posted 9 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The projects that use VirtualBox don't all work correctly with the newest version of VirtualBox, hence why BOINC has an older but trusted version included.
5319) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running way too many processes (Message 64145)
Posted 9 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without an addition through the command line or through cc_config.xml that says allow_multiple_clients, boinc.exe can only start once on any system. Try to start it more than once and you'll get an error saying that boinc.exe is already running, also stored in stderrdae.txt (Another instance of BOINC is running).

When you first start BOINC after a bootup, and you check in WIndows Task Manager, you'll see temporarily that two instances of boinc.exe run, this will put the entries in stderrdae.tyxt. One of these goes away, leaving only the other.

But as said, only when there's nowhere that says that starting multiple clients is allowed.
5320) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64138)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's back.
5321) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64137)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Both databases have also been off line, so primary is half an hour behind, secondary almost 6 & 3/4 hours. It's a total guess if there's work to be had. It shows 4 RTS, but is that a value for the half and hour or 6 & 3/4 hours behind?
5322) Message boards : Questions and problems : Already added this project (Message 64136)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
9/7/2015 3:39:00 PM | FiND@Home | URL http://findah.ucd.ie/; Computer ID 129931; resource share 100

When I search Google for fightneglecteddiseases I end up on the home page of FiND@Home. It's an acronym for FightNeglectedDiseases.

So, since you've got FiND@Home added, it's correct that you cannot add fightneglecteddisaes as it's already there.
5323) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64133)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
On my TV server one of these updates did 25457 small updates on the Windows is starting screen before rebooting again. The TV server is allowed to auto-download these updates and install them at shut down. Probably not wise. ;-)
5324) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64131)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I have found, 3083324 is optional, but InfoWorld suggests avoiding it.

Not optional to me, here it's Important:
5325) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64115)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what the fuss is about.

Mainly the privacy concerns, and that this system is my computer, I decide what (software / driver) updates I want to install and when. I already have a peer to peer program installed taking up some bandwidth, I really do not need Microsoft's built-in version continuously distributing updates from my system to others or getting them in from others. You don't know where they've been, what they've been in contact with and if they've got hidden packages fetched on the way.

At least MP3s, MP4s and MKVs are hideously difficult to infect with a virus, worm or Trojan, but not so the .exe and .msi files Microsoft uses for their updates. When they come directly from the MS server, there's some feeling of security. But not when they're distributed through the built-in P2P client that takes these updates from others their systems. One big botnet.

What I also do not like is that Microsoft said that you had the choice if you wanted to update, but in the mean time they change "optional updates" to "important", so that all these optional "Update your Windows to Windows 10" preparation updates sneak their way onto your system, leaving you almost without a choice if you want to update.

Of course, in 3 months time there will just be a service pack that installs all that crap. Or they'll find a security problem that cannot be fixed in Windows 7/8/8.1, but is fixed in 10 and so why don't you install that to be safe?
5326) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64103)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see MS is having a big update again for Windows 7. All highly suspect.
Optional: KB3092627, recommended.
Important: Security updates KB3069114, KB3083992, KB3084135, KB3086255, KB3087039 and KB3087918, and one for Windows 7: KB3083324.

I'll let them wait for a few days again until we know what they do. After KB3075851 became the new KB3035583 (initialize Win10 upgrade), it shows MS is trying lots of things to confuse you to install Win10 anyway. Keep an eye out, boys.

Great, MS themselves cannot even find KB3069114, but they do want to push that update on my system!
Greater, KB3083324 was pushed as an Optional to US Windows users, but is now promoted to Important!
5327) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64101)
Posted 8 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, let me stop posting PMs over there. Just in case those massive things get lost.
5328) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.6.9 release for Windows and Mac (Message 64092)
Posted 7 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fixed.
5329) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64086)
Posted 7 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think that Gary should be appointed by Jord to be a Mod here.

Funny you say that. I have been toying with the idea to ask for one of you to become a moderator here, also because of my extremely busy schedule away from the computer these days.

But to be able to become that, one needs, in my personal opinion:
- patience
- not be an active mod at Seti
- to have no personal grudge against anyone else around here
- to have at least 100 posts here
- to have been active on these forums the past 3 months
- to be able to see beyond the whine of others
- a thick skin
- to have an active email address to be able to receive 'red-x reports' and inter-mod talk
- be able to kick anyone of this establishment if there's need, without feeling remorse or getting into a personal fight over it off-line

There's probably a couple of other points I can come up with, but let's leave it here. For now.

The work is mostly kicking spammers, and giving warnings to the rest of the rabble about the way they misuse the English language.
I specify that I do not want an active mod at Seti, so as to keep those of you who are frequently temp-kicked at Seti from being immediately banished here as well, only because that moderator feels it's necessary.
One from the other side of the pond, or in Asia/Australia is preferred so we can have a sort of 24/7 presence.
Moderating experience not necessary.
Male or female.
Old or older.
Must be a cat-lover.

:-)
5330) Message boards : Questions and problems : Daily schedule with two computing periods per day? (Message 64085)
Posted 7 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hostid is 6140122, Hostid is 7360927.

Your computers have no hostID at the BOINC web site, so without telling which project they run at, we have no idea where to look.

      <end_hour>23.98</end_hour>


I see someone messed up the minute setting on these values and changed everything to decimals. Great.
As for why they work on one system and not on the other, not a clue. Unless you lack permission to write to the data directory one the one system.

Personally I steer away from Windows 10, what with the whole "totally no privacy debacle" that's springing up around it. So I have no experience with the quirks of that OS.
5331) Message boards : Projects : Time to Retire: (Message 64084)
Posted 7 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Daniel Monroe wrote:
The http://vdwnumbers.org BOINC project is running again. Version 31 uses half as much RAM (1 gigabyte for primes around 250 million). This seems to have fixed the computational errors that prevented you from getting credit, which I know was frustrating. I apologize that I did not respond to messages over the Summer. I hope you will consider giving the project another chance. We are now proving lower bounds for Van Der Waerden Numbers using primes above 250 million, compared with primes up to 10 million used for previous records. Happy crunching!

Daniel Monroe
Takoma Park Middle School
vdwnumbers.org Project Administrator
5332) Message boards : Questions and problems : Already added this project (Message 64070)
Posted 5 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you still have the problem, could you please post the first 40-50 lines of your BOINC start up messages, please?
5333) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64069)
Posted 5 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
People, I am tired enough already as it is, without having the need or want to have to hold everyone's hands. Please stop spamming this thread with attacks, Youtube URLs and more stuff that upsets others.

Also, please, do not post moderator action emails from this or any other project's forums on these forums. If I leave those, I get into trouble.

Edit: when did I pass through the 10K posts?
5334) Message boards : The Lounge : Word link and other games discussion (plus general miscellany) (Message 64041)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Necessary bump back to the future. Next time this thread auto-locks, just ring the bell to let me know, m'okay?
5335) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices tab is always empty, but shows horizontal separator lines (Message 64040)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post the contents of the setiathome.berkeley.edu_notices.php.xml file here?
To make sure it shows all code correctly, please post it in between [code/] containers.

Can you also check if your user account has permission to read/write to the BOINC Data directory?
5336) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cant add non standard account manager (Message 64036)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers have reacted with code:
MGR: When a volunteer manually inputs an Account Manager URL, do not overwrite it with what was previously selected.
5337) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running way too many processes (Message 64035)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds more like a runaway process on your computer. Just try to use Windows task manager to kill the runaway processes after exiting BOINC, then just start BOINC once.
5338) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64031)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:

Testing image HTTPS.


Testing from Linkedin
5339) Message boards : Projects : Cosmology@home new wave (Message 64027)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think you mean http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7227, which details the beta testing.
5340) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices tab is always empty, but shows horizontal separator lines (Message 64026)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
5341) Message boards : Questions and problems : there should be a sticky for benchmarks and recommended computer HW specs (Message 64024)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For BOINC requirements, that's easy: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/System_requirements

However, it's the projects that do the science and that then actively use the CPU and GPU, that may or may not have science applications built for all operating systems known to man, etc. So you'd have to ask them, individually, what their requirements are. That's not for BOINC to say.
5342) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 64006)
Posted 1 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Stony glares until 'er indoors finds where she left it ....

But I can't shake the feeling Annie wasn't talking about herself, but more about her manly better half. Even I felt spoken about. :)
5343) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 64001)
Posted 1 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein is down, too!!!

If this is for them to update to the dreaded Drupal, expect a walk-out on the forums when they return. It's not beautiful stuff.

@all,
My Mom is doing all right, I guess. She's getting to terms with the information that she has to stay in the revalidation/rehabilitation (what do you English call it?) for ... 6 months! At least. Perhaps even longer.

If you think that the load on me has halved or more since she got there, forget it. It's even tripled. I'm completely exhausted and still have loads to do. So much to arrange, so much to move from her house to her room, so many changes. Eventually the load will get less, I know that, but not for the next 2 weeks.

So, if you don't see me as much, it's because I'm probably sleeping. I was the past hour and a half. :-)
5344) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63980)
Posted 1 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - pppffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Yeesh!

Chriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis!!!!
Definitely hasn't been here in ages with that broom of his. What's he doing with it, sitting on it?

I'll probably have to force him to choose, next...

Red or blue?
5345) Message boards : GPUs : GPU tasks not following overclock/underclock settings? (Message 63979)
Posted 1 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
(driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8)

Several people at Seti have reported big problems with OpenCL applications running on the GPU with using this driver in Windows 10.

You can try the latest beta driver, see if that matters.
5346) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running even though suspended (Message 63977)
Posted 1 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup.

* client: fix bug where elapsed time increased while suspended

By the way, mind adding BBcode around links you add? Makes it easier for people to click on. In this case,
[url]http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php[/url]
which will make http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php.

(Although 'download all' isn't really needed and could even be confusing. Just the regular download page at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php is all we need).
5347) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cant add non standard account manager (Message 63971)
Posted 1 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
But surely you should be able to connect BOINC to any AM URL you like, not just BAM! and GridRepublic?

If there were more around, yeah. I have forwarded it to the developers, already did so before I answered you.
5348) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cant add non standard account manager (Message 63969)
Posted 1 Sep 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doesn't Charity Engine use Grid Republic as its AM?

So yes, as according to the registration requirements:
I have a BOINC, GridRepublic, or World Community Grid Account. (Don't know? Click 'No')


As far as I know, you also download a specific BOINC through CE.
5349) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc won't install (Message 63962)
Posted 31 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this BOINC FAQ for help:
Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name
5350) Message boards : GPUs : GPU tasks not following overclock/underclock settings? (Message 63959)
Posted 31 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Though I'm not totally thrilled with installing yet another program to help reign-in BOINC, nor does it really answer the question of why BOINC related GPU tasks seem to be able to ignore clock modifications.

a) BOINC only does detection of the GPUs, it doesn't actually use them.
b) Any science done on the GPUs is done by project applications.
c) You changed from Windows 7/8/8.1 to Windows 10.
d) Before Windows 10 you feel it worked, but now no more.
e) So why then feel that it's BOINC its fault, or the science applications, and not the operating system, the only thing here that changed?
5351) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not synching with BoincBAM (Message 63947)
Posted 30 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uninstalling BOINC only removes the BOINC executables and libraries, it leaves the data directory with all work, applications, added projects etc. intact.

Else we can never upgrade BOINC without losing days or weeks worth of work. The BOINC installer uninstalls previous versions before installing the newer version.
5352) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please recommend (and where to find used?) a decent GPU based machine? (Message 63946)
Posted 30 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is also the rule No commercial advertisements.
You did not remove the URL from your first post as I asked you to or renamed your account to not include the company name.

Instead you now have your account named after your company, you have an URL to your company in your first post, you have that same URL in your signature, in the URL in your account and you're telling everyone who works for your company to go to projects and make multiple accounts with that company name and probably put the URL in the account, in the profile and in the signature as well.

How is that any different from what a spammer does?

In any case, I've sent word to my 'boss', asked him what to do about this. For the moment I will let things go, giving you the benefit of the doubt.
5353) Message boards : Questions and problems : Please recommend (and where to find used?) a decent GPU based machine? (Message 63937)
Posted 30 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a high suspicion that you're a spammer.
If you aren't, best take the URL out of your post (you have an hour to edit your post) and rename your account to one that doesn't include the advertisement.

If you do not comply within my evening, I'll remove you.
5354) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not synching with BoincBAM (Message 63936)
Posted 30 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any projects that you added before using the account manager can only be removed by first removing the account manager, then removing the projects.

Then you can add those projects through the account manager and add that again to BOINC.

It is probably wise to set No New Tasks on all projects, then empty the cache and upload & report everything, before you remove the account manager.

Any actions done on projects added through the account manager are done on the account manager's web site: http://boincstats.com/en/bam/account/ and through the commands on the left of the screen under "My BAM menu".

Any questions you have about the working of BAM are best asked at BAM's forums. Other than it sharing part of the name, BAM is in no way affiliated with BOINC. It's developed independently.
5355) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not synching with BoincBAM (Message 63932)
Posted 30 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check in the Tools menu, instead of the "Use account manager" you should see a "Synchronize with X" option. Click that for options for the account manager you're connected to.
5356) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to make boinc run ONLY as screensaver (Message 63931)
Posted 30 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Based on the preferences of BOINC 7.6.6, at this date the recommended version.

BOINC Manager->Options->Computing preferences.

Make sure that these are checked:
Suspend when computer is in use
When using advanced preferences, also check Suspend GPU computing when computer is in use

At 'In use' means mouse/keyboard input in last N minutes set the amount to 3 minutes.
OK to save the changes.

Next, right-click on the desktop.
Click Personalize, select Screen Saver, and select BOINC.
At Wait set 3 minutes
Click Apply
Click OK

Next go sit and twiddle your thumbs for 3 minutes. If all is well, after the three minutes, BOINC will continue calculations and any paused transfers, and the screen saver will start. It may happen that the screen saver shows temporarily that BOINC isn't running, but wait a minute here. It'll change.
5357) Message boards : Questions and problems : only 20 percent CPU? (Message 63921)
Posted 29 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tasks being calculated on the GPU at Seti like to have at least one CPU core free for doing work on that GPU. It's possible that you're seeing the system slightly overworked due to running tasks on all 8 cores. You can try this by setting Use at most N% of the CPUs to 90% (since this value is an integer, anything above 87 and below 100 will set BOINC to use 7 CPU cores).

But checking your tasks, I don't see any weird values in run time.
5358) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc 7.6.6 & Two Projects running at once (Message 63918)
Posted 29 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
29/08/2015 15:12:52 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]

29/08/2015 15:12:54 | | Reading preferences override file
29/08/2015 15:12:54 | | Preferences:

29/08/2015 15:13:18 | | max CPUs used: 2

You have a quad core CPU and are allowing two cores to be used, using the local preferences in BOINC Manager. There you've set Use at most N % of the CPUs to 50%, if you want BOINC to use only one core, set this value to 25%.

By the way, for terminology.
Project = Einstein, Climateprediction.net, Seti@Home, Primegrid, etc.
Task = the work you run from a project. One task per CPU core.
5359) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.6 released for Windows and Mac (Message 63917)
Posted 29 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The whole BOINC Manager got an overhaul, with new menus and options. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Advanced_view#BOINC_Manager_Menus for all changes.

Do network communications is now in Tools->Retry pending transfers.
5360) Message boards : BOINC client : how to avoid data corruption on windows shutdown if you forgot to suspend projects (Message 63910)
Posted 29 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
...so maybe there was not a checkpoint yet, although isn't the default of boinc to save every 1 minute ? .

Checkpointing is something the science application does, not BOINC. The value set in Request tasks to checkpoint at most every N seconds will be ignored by the science application if you set it to a value much lower than the one programmed into the application.

You'll have to ask at CPDN forums how long it normally takes for their haddam_3p application to checkpoint.
5361) Message boards : GPUs : GPU tasks not following overclock/underclock settings? (Message 63905)
Posted 29 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Installed as user install.


Boinc? I don't know if this would help with the problem, but maybe you could try installing Boinc as an administrator.

He doesn't mean he installed BOINC as a Windows user, but that he used the 'user installation' instead of the 'service installation'. You need to be an administrator to install BOINC anyway.
5362) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 63893)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I've posted a new build to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/.

This release removes the following changes:
* MGR: Update comment to match my previous change.
* MGR: On Manager Exit, Manager shuts down client only if the Manager launched it (i.e. not if it was already running when Manager started.) However, "Shut down connected client" command does still shut down the client whether or not the Manager launched it.
* MGR: Better test for whether client is running. Fixes bug which caused Manager to launch multiple clients when <allow_multiple_clients> is set.

Please post any feedback to boinc_alpha at ssl.berkeley.edu.

I need to know if the new build installs correctly on Windows 32-bit, Windows 64-bit. As soon as I see confirmation on the installs I'll promote the build to a public release.

----- Rom
5363) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 63892)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.9 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.8 -> 7.6.9

  • MGR: in Simple View Preferences dialog, highlight textedit field with illegal value by setting its background to light red.
  • MGR: Update comment to match my previous change. (reverted from commit f64d956)
  • MGR: On Manager Exit, Manager shuts down client only if the Manager launched it (i.e. not if it was already running when Manager started.) However, "Shut down connected client" command does still shut down the client whether or not the Manager launched it. (reverted from commit 7e7f5c6)
  • MGR: Better test for whether client is running. Fixes bug which caused Manager to launch multiple clients when <allow_multiple_clients> is set. (reverted from commit 3bd93fd)


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.9
- boinc_7.6.9_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.9_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.9_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.6.9
- boinc_7.6.9_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.9_windows_x86_64.exe

5364) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help me understand the "Resource Share" data (Message 63855)
Posted 26 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPU Grid has support for Nvidia GPUs only. See https://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=3780
A few months ago it was in test a beta AMD gpu application.
But works are stopped
5365) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 10 GPU keeps restarting, Tasks Using GPU Record Time Increment but no Progress (Message 63853)
Posted 26 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
...some undescribed error.

What does Windows Event Viewer say about the error?

I installed the latest drivers for the GPU

Please always say which version number. 'The latest' can be very different depending on hardware and support built into the drivers.

Has anyone else seen this problem? Solution?

From your description it sounds as if the videocard driver resets itself. Everyone with GPUs doing calculations has that at some time. The only way to resolve such errors is to try different drivers until you find one that's more solid than the rest.

The problem with Windows 10 though is that it knows better and will eventually install whatever driver it finds is the last best for your GPU, even though you've set everywhere that it shouldn't do that. Until Microsoft changes that behaviour the only workaround here is to return to the previous Windows before the 'test month' is out.

Another possibility that I've seen happen here on Windows 7 is that I get a message alike The color scheme has been changed to Windows 7 Basic, which basically means that Aero is disabled. Does WinX have Aero again, or not?
5366) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 63852)
Posted 26 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I've posted a new build to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/.

It contains the following fixes:
* Manager: improve validity checking in advanced prefs dialog
* client: show more (but still not all) config options
* client: don't use estimated fraction done until 1 minute has elapsed
* MGR: Update comment to match my previous change.
* MGR: On Manager Exit, Manager shuts down client only if the Manager launched it (i.e. not if it was already running when Manager started.) However, "Shut down connected client" command does still shut down the client whether or not the Manager launched it.
* MGR: Better test for whether client is running. Fixes bug which caused Manager to launch multiple clients when <allow_multiple_clients> is set.
* client and API: pass list of app version files in init_data.xml
* client: fix bug where elapsed time increased while suspended
* Manager: display total credit with thousands separators
* client: if app reports frac done outside [0,1] write message
* client: if a GPU exclusion refers to non-existent device num, ignore it
* client: change cpu_sched_debug log messages to show job's GPU type
* client: if app reports fract done > 1, use asymptotic formula
* Mac uninstaller: Fix a hang bug on some older versions of OS X (including 10.6.8.)
* Mac installer: attempt to prevent a rare installer crash when system is set for a language other than English.
* client: On Macs, fix failure to recognize CUDA devices when BOINC is launched automatically at login before CUDA has initialized at system boot.
* lib: add function for formatting numbers w/ digit grouping
* client: if app reports fraction done outside 0..1, truncate
* Mac installer: Fix bug introduced in my commit 3e1428c which prevents installing on OS X older than OS 10.9 unless BOINC users and groups already exist (i.e., which causes a clean install to fail.)
* client: Avoid kernel panics at system boot when running as a service / daemon under Mac OS 10.10.4.
* Manager: use lighter red for error fields
* MGR: in Advanced Preferences dialog highlight textedit field with illegal value by setting its background to red.
* Manager: in prefs dialog, buffer size limits are 10, not 100
* client: fix job scheduling bug that starves CPU instances
* Manager: string tweaks
* Manager: typo fix
* Manager: show executable filename in task properties
* MGR: Make the average and total credit strings translatable and add comments for context.
* MGR: Tighten up the code to the last commit a bit.
* MGR: Fix the string construction of the 'work fetch deferral' stuff to be more localization friendly.
* MGR: Flag previously untranslatable strings as translatable.
* Manager: reorder items in simple view prefs
* Manager: show last RPC time in project properties
* client: parse ARM CPU model
* LIB: setbuf() only disables the CRT buffer and flush only works against the CRT buffers.

Please post any feedback to boinc_alpha at ssl.berkeley dot edu.

I need to know if the new build installs correctly on Windows 32-bit, Windows 64-bit, Mac OS X 10.10. As soon as I see confirmation on the installs I'll promote the build to a public release.

----- Rom
5367) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc screensaver not running in windows 10 (Message 63851)
Posted 26 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can people please post what make and model videocard/GPU they have, and what drivers they have loaded for it? Did Windows Update install those drivers, or did you manually get them from the GPU manufacturer's website?

Windows 10 automatically installs 'the latest updates', in the Home version of WinX you can't even opt-out of this. It's possible that the WinX version of the drivers miss out on OpenGL, a required component to run the screen saver.

One easy to use and install application is GPU Caps Viewer which shows whether things like OpenGL, CUDA and OpenCL components are installed and usable. Can you please tell about that?

Also, if you have a non-keyboard non-mouse USB device attached, try to detach that. If your screen saver starts working after that, it's Windows reading the slight oscillations that this device makes while it's not in use. Example given, a racing wheel or joy-/flight stick can show this behaviour.
5368) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63840)
Posted 25 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for my Mom, things are looking up. Tonight she'll get the last bit of antibiotics, then tomorrow they'll test whether the bacterium is still there. If not, or in low enough values then she's fired from the hospital, directly into a revalidation centre where she'll have to learn to walk normally again. Or more normal than she does so far.

And perhaps that at the end of that we'll get good news about the nursing home. Although I may no longer want her to go there, because of the costs.

I just heard something that I have to look into, as I didn't like what it was. To be continued on that.

Anyway, just home from the hospital, going to make dinner. Behave all.
And thanks all for the best wishes. It's appreciated.
5369) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63838)
Posted 25 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That server at MK isn't exactly fast.

Better use the Peterborough Cambridge Meridian Acadamies server to test with. It'll come close to my actual speeds.

Just as a reminder, they are:


Fun ones to test are those at Paolo Alto in California.
The Sing Tel T1 http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4609935297
While the Fiber needs some checking, I think, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4609931473
5370) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help me understand the "Resource Share" data (Message 63813)
Posted 25 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd like to have same field in boinc client and for GPUs across the projects, could we organise that?

Since BOINC is supposedly under community governance since some time, you can organize it yourself. Get some programmers together, get the source code, go hack it. Or when you don't know any programmers, try to find some of the volunteer programmers.

A separate GPU resource share has been asked for for a long time and always been on the back burner because of the huge amount of work getting that integrated in the back-end and the client. It's not just adding two lines of code here and one there and presto it will work. The scheduler is difficult enough as it is these days without added code.

Do know that a big change to the BOINC client such as this will need the agreement of the Project Management Committee. But if you don't like that, you can always fork BOINC to a version of your own.

Forking has separate rules, all to do with copyleft and copyright.


LHC and MM both have more priority value comparing to Rosetta - and I still get Rosetta tasks all the time. Why it is like this?

All work distributed goes through a so-called feeder. The feeder contains -depending on project- only so many tasks ready to send out. When the feeder is empty, it'll be refilled. But this takes a split second, nothing that can be done about that.

When your system asks for work at the time that the feeder is empty or almost empty, it'll tell that there's no work to be had and BOINC will back off and go to the next project in the list to see if it needs work and can ask for that. When that project is also out of work, however temporary, eventually BOINC will come to the last project that always seems to have work, or a very large feeder, and it will fill the cache from that project.

The present way of asking for work is filling the cache from whichever project has enough work and filling to the "Store at least N days of work" minimum. Then later requests will fill to the "Store up to an additional N days of work" maximum.

I want and request this to happen automatically. Could we organise that?

Setting "Store at least N days of work" to a very low number will normally give you a chance to get work from the projects asked for work, unless their feeder is completely out of work. But when your BOINC is asking for 320,000 seconds worth of work and e.g. there's only work for 300 seconds in the feeder, it'll tell you it doesn't have work for your BOINC.

3. issue with yoyo is just plain - then I restart cruncher task is going to be zeroed.

Then their application doesn't checkpoint and without that the task will restart from zero whenever BOINC is exited and restarted. Nothing we can do about that, you will have to take it up with the project about that. It's their application. Perhaps that it just cannot do checkpointing.
5371) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 63811)
Posted 25 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Benchmark values depend on what else is running on the computer at the time of the benchmark. They can fluctuate highly if even the slightest thing runs on one or more CPU cores.

My benchmarks immediately after installing 7.6.7:
18-Aug-2015 23:01:05 [---] Running CPU benchmarks
18-Aug-2015 23:01:05 [---] Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
18-Aug-2015 23:01:08 [---] [benchmark] Starting floating-point benchmark
18-Aug-2015 23:01:18 [---] [benchmark] Ended floating-point benchmark
18-Aug-2015 23:01:23 [---] [benchmark] Starting integer benchmark
18-Aug-2015 23:01:33 [---] [benchmark] Ended integer benchmark
18-Aug-2015 23:01:36 [---] [benchmark] Ended benchmark
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] [benchmark] CPU 0 has finished
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] [benchmark] CPU 1 has finished
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] [benchmark] CPU 2 has finished
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] [benchmark] 3 out of 3 CPUs done
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] [benchmark] CPU 0: fp 4094483083.424992 int 10342282747.728548 intloops 179440000.000000 inttime 9.874863
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] [benchmark] CPU 1: fp 4062960776.987145 int 0.000000 intloops 0.000000 inttime 0.000000
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] [benchmark] CPU 2: fp 3980199054.363360 int 0.000000 intloops 0.000000 inttime 0.000000
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---] Benchmark results:
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---]    Number of CPUs: 3
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---]    4046 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
18-Aug-2015 23:01:37 [---]    10342 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

That's for a
18-Aug-2015 23:01:05 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]
5372) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 63810)
Posted 25 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.8 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.7 -> 7.6.8

  • client: if app reports fract done > 1, use asymptotic formula.
  • client: change cpu_sched_debug log messages to show job's GPU type. Also fix some compile warnings.
  • client: if a GPU exclusion refers to non-existent device num, ignore it.
  • client: if app reports frac done outside [0,1] write message conditioned on task_debug; write at most one msg per minute.
  • MGR: display total credit with thousands separators.
  • client: fix bug where elapsed time increased while suspended.
  • client and API: pass list of app version files in init_data.xml
  • MGR: Better test for whether client is running. Fixes bug which caused Manager to launch multiple clients when <allow_multiple_clients> is set.
  • MGR: On Manager Exit, Manager shuts down client only if the Manager launched it (i.e. not if it was already running when Manager started.) However, "Shut down connected client" command does still shut down the client whether or not the Manager launched it.
  • client: don't use estimated fraction done until 1 minute has elapsed.
  • MGR: improve validity checking in advanced prefs dialog.


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.8
- boinc_7.6.8_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.8_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.8_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.6.8
- boinc_7.6.8_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.8_windows_x86_64.exe

5373) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help me understand the "Resource Share" data (Message 63809)
Posted 25 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
May I request that you keep an eye on the rules, more likely the No messages that are deliberately hostile or insulting part?

It's okay with me to be angry and all, but go do your ranting and letting it out elsewhere then. Then when you've calmed down and are in a normal state of mind, post again.

You sent a similar post to me in PM, I have deleted it as I will not react to PMs like that.
And I highly doubt that anyone here will try to answer your questions you when you're posting in such a threatening and aggressive manner. I surely will not.
5374) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where's Git-log gone? (Message 63806)
Posted 24 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I shouldn't say it, but I hate the breaks in the commit comments with the '… ' breaks.
E.g.

MGR: Better test for whether client is running. Fixes bug which cause…

…d Manager to launch multiple clients when <allow_multiple_clients> is set.
5375) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63789)
Posted 23 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
We have been to the hospital again today (and yesterday, and Friday), after my Mom called at 7am to say she didn't have clean underwear anymore. Then she called again at 10am, and again at 10:15am. Thank the deities I'd gone to bed at a reasonable time last night, normally in the weekends I go on till deep in the night, but since this happened I'm bone tired. So I was awake at 7am, and 10am, and 10:15am. ;-)

On Mom,I must say, it might be going better with her inflammation, but when she's released from hospital it'll have to be directly into an old people's home, or when going home, she'll need 24 hour care. At the moment she cannot go to the toilet alone, she cannot get dressed, she can hardly walk, hardly stand. Even sitting is difficult, and she also tends to fall out of bed. Her hospital bed is almost on the ground, and there's a big gym mat in front of it in case she manages to fall out.

I've never seen someone go backwards that quickly. She won't make it out if she continues these backwards slides. But then, perhaps that's for the best.
5376) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63756)
Posted 20 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Took till 21.30h before mom was admitted and all questions were answered. I did make a dash home and back again to get her some clothes and her medicines.

Am now home, just ate and am going to play a little Duke Nukem 3D, then off to bed.
5377) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63748)
Posted 20 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sigh. Mom called this morning, she had stomach pains and wanted to call the doctor. Fine with me. Fifteen minutes later she called again, could I bring her to the doctor?
Sure...

It is no hours later, we are in the emergency room, have been here for the last 4 hours. Finally the surgeon is here. Mom should still get an MRI and honestly I hope they keep me here. Yes, just as I wrote that we got confirmation that mom has to stay. Acute inflammation of part of her large intestine, can only be cured with rest.

So... That was a fun jubilee for me, spending lots of my 8th alcohol free anniversary in the hospital.

Yay! Celebrate good times come on!
5378) Message boards : Projects : QMC@home/cleanmobility.now (Message 63739)
Posted 19 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If money is a problem, this makes me wonder if anyone has talked to him about possibly funding through BitcoinUtopia...

Martin answered me that he thinks crowdfunding is a great idea, but that the legal situation for it is complicated for German universities, and that he will ask his university if they allow him to do so.
5379) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Transferring BOINC Data folder not working on Mac El Capitan PB - permissions error (Message 63738)
Posted 19 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sent to the developer, may take a while for him to answer.
5380) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI@home Not Running (Message 63737)
Posted 19 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I answered in the Seti forums.
5381) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 63728)
Posted 19 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I could probably try to set up a temp web site with my ISP, but since they're under DDoS attack, I can't reach them.
It's very possible that no one can reach me, because my internet is still going through the ISP. That I have internet is purely because I don't use my ISP's DNS servers but those of Google. :)

At the moment I freed bandwidth in my torrent program so these clients could upload. I've also stored them on my NAS and turned the BT client on it on (that's bit torrent client, not British Telecom).

I only managed to upload the torrents through one site so far. Still waiting for permission from KAT. I surely do not have any intent to register at all possible torrent sites. 2 other sites I signed up with have a 12 hour cool off period to prevent spammers. BOINC User Wiki doesn't allow files larger than 2MB, and they are 13 and 13.5MB. :(

In the case people want me to upload through MEGA, no can do, can't reach it. Has it been taken out again?

Oh, and yes, the client's working perfectly:
<core_client_version>7.6.7</core_client_version>
5382) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 63724)
Posted 18 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.7 available for testing for Windows (sort of).

Due to Rom having no time at present and in the near future to build a new beta BOINC (other than some private drops here and there), I posted two debug builds of BOINC 7.6.7 for Windows to peer to peer. The developers know about me releasing this version.

boinc_7.6.7_windows_intelx86.zip.torrent
(The zip file has an md5 of ba1834ff04bd3e2b06c1da5ab403bd3a)

boinc_7.6.7_windows_x86_64.zip.torrent
(The zip file has an md5 of b8581a68efcf0f6b8dad469c5ae4ed3c)

I used WinMD5 to make the md5 hash.

Edit:
Since 7.6.8 is out via official channels, I'm taking down the zip files from the BOINC FAQs server.

Again:
No, neither has an installer.
No, neither has VirtualBox added.
You may want to stop boinctray.exe from Windows task manager before dropping all files into your BOINC programs directory and restart it after copying finished.
Stop running BOINC before unzipping the contents over the present ones in your BOINC Programs directory, overwriting all.
5383) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 63723)
Posted 18 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom has little time these days to build BOINC.
Luckily building BOINC is easy these days. You can follow the Compile Client Wiki page, or else I will build beta BOINC. I've just built 7.6.7 for myself, will build a 32bit and 64bit beta version next.

One thing, when you do want to build your own BOINC, you need the boinc_depends_win_vs2013 repository. The Compile Client page points to the repositories store and there it says how to download the vs2010 repository.

This is the wrong version for vs2013.
Instead use your git program of choice to download http://boinc.berkeley.edu/git/boinc_depends_win_vs2013.git
5384) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63720)
Posted 18 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti forums are back.
5385) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63713)
Posted 18 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, can finally load the pages again.
5386) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63698)
Posted 17 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quick then, one last post in here as well. ;-)
5387) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 63693)
Posted 17 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Extra info.

Matt Lebofsky wrote:
Just so you know the general plan (though we're not promising anything, hence why I'm keeping the official outage window vague). All times PDT.

August 17:
* 4:45pm: shut down projects.
* 5pm: DNS changes at the .ssl.berkeley.edu level
(at this point most everything, including the web site, will be unreachable)

August 18:
* 3am: DNS changes at the .berkeley.edu level
* 5:45am: Jeff and I start changing all the network configs on our systems
* 6am: Campus starts doing all its router/firewall changes
* 7am: Solve any problems
* 9am: If all goes well, start the regular Tuesday outage
* ?: Bring everything back on line

I wish we had access to our own DNS maps, but we don't, and this is the tightest coordination we could do with the SSL DNS manager and the campus DNS manager.

- Matt
5388) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63692)
Posted 17 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Extra info.

Matt Lebofsky wrote:
Just so you know the general plan (though we're not promising anything, hence why I'm keeping the official outage window vague). All times PDT.

August 17:
* 4:45pm: shut down projects.
* 5pm: DNS changes at the .ssl.berkeley.edu level
(at this point most everything, including the web site, will be unreachable)

August 18:
* 3am: DNS changes at the .berkeley.edu level
* 5:45am: Jeff and I start changing all the network configs on our systems
* 6am: Campus starts doing all its router/firewall changes
* 7am: Solve any problems
* 9am: If all goes well, start the regular Tuesday outage
* ?: Bring everything back on line

I wish we had access to our own DNS maps, but we don't, and this is the tightest coordination we could do with the SSL DNS manager and the campus DNS manager.

- Matt
5389) Message boards : Questions and problems : why credits too low? (Message 63687)
Posted 17 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The second host is running an AMD Radeon HD 7870/7950/7970/R9 280X series (Tahiti) GPU, you are only running CPUs.

GPUs output work much much faster than just plain CPUs do.
And with the hyper-inflated credit amount that Collatz gives out for work, it's easy to gain large amounts in a short time span.
If you put one or two good GPUs in your system, you'd be having the same credits in no time.

Projects are allowed by themselves how many credits they give out for work done there. There is a 'default' credit system in place, but a) it's broken and very difficult to work with when you do get it to work, and b) BOINC doesn't dictate that projects should use it or else. It's open source software so anyone is able to add their own credit system to their own project.
5390) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63685)
Posted 17 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Cure - Friday i'm in Love

Edit: Sorry, breaking my own No Youtube Links rule, but must. ;-)

I don't care if Monday's blue
Tuesday's grey and Wednesday too
Thursday i don't care about you
It's Friday I'm in love

Monday you can fall apart
Tuesday, Wednesday break my heart
Thursday doesn't even start
It's Friday I'm in love

Saturday wait
And sunday always comes too late
But Friday never hesitate...

I don't care if Monday's black
Tuesday, Wednesday heart attack
Thursday never looking back
It's Friday I'm in love

Monday you can hold your head
Tuesday, Wednesday stay in bed
Or Thursday watch the walls instead
It's Friday I'm in love

Saturday wait
And sunday always comes too late
But Friday never hesitate...

Dressed up to the eyes
It's a wonderful surprise
To see your shoes and your spirits rise
Throwing out your frown
And just smiling at the sound
And as sleek as a shriek
Spinning round and round
Always take a big bite
It's such a gorgeous sight
To see you in the middle of the night
You can never get enough
Enough of this stuff
It's Friday
I'm in love

I don't care if Monday's blue
Tuesday's grey and Wednesday too
Thursday I don't care about you
It's Friday, I'm in love

Monday you can fall apart
Tuesday, Wednesday break my heart
Thursday doesn't even start
It's Friday I'm in love
5391) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63665)
Posted 16 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wednesday here, but only just.
5392) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63657)
Posted 16 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Master database is disabled. Replica off line.
Maybe the hardware/software didn't like the Seti WOW-Event 2015.
5393) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slots - usage (Message 63643)
Posted 15 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So does that mean that when task x is suspended in favor of a higher priority task, task x has to wait until its original slot is available again in order to be resumed?

A task stays in its slot until it has met a boinc_finish() and is unloaded.

It's not that when a task suspends that it releases the slot it's in, because we only have 4 or 8 slots. There's no real limit to slot directories that can be made and used/be in use. So tasks stay in their own slot from their start to their finish, no matter how many times you suspend them in between.
5394) Message boards : Projects : Time to Retire: (Message 63638)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Done.
5395) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 63636)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.7 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

System Requirements
• Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, 32bit and 64bit.
• Mac OS X versions 10.6.0 and above, 64bit only.
• Linux, tested on current Ubuntu distribution, may work on others, 32bit and 64bit.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.6 -> 7.6.7

  • LIB: setbuf() only disables the CRT buffer and flush only works against the CRT buffers.
    • At some point MS introduced a Microsoft Extension mode to fopen called 'commit mode'. This additional mode disables the OS buffers. So when on Windows force stderr redirection to use commit mode.
    • See: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/yeby3zcb.aspx
  • LOCALE: Remove invalid language codes.
  • client: parse ARM CPU model.
    Apparently the format of /proc/cpuinfo has changed on some ARM Linuxes, e.g. Raspbian Wheezy.
    The CPU model is something like:
    • model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 5 (v7l)
    and the chars between "name" and ":" can be either spaces or a tab.
  • MGR: show last RPC time in project properties.
  • MGR: reorder items in simple view prefs.
  • MGR: Flag previously untranslatable strings as translatable.
  • LOCALE: Update BOINC-Manager.pot with missing strings.
  • MGR: Fix the string construction of the 'work fetch deferral' stuff to be more localization friendly.
  • MGR: Tighten up the code to the last commit a bit.
  • MGR: Make the average and total credit strings translatable and add comments for context.
  • MGR: show executable filename in task properties.
  • MGR: typo fix.
  • MGR: string tweaks.
  • client: fix job scheduling bug that starves CPU instances.
  • MGR: in prefs dialog, buffer size limits are 10, not 100.
  • MGR: in Advanced Preferences dialog highlight textedit field with illegal value by setting its background to red.
  • MGR: use lighter red for error fields.
  • client: Avoid kernel panics at system boot when running as a service.
  • Mac installer: Fix bug introduced in my commit 3e1428c which prevents installing on OS X older than OS 10.9 unless BOINC users and groups already exist (i.e., which causes a clean install to fail.)
  • client: if app reports fraction done outside 0..1, truncate.
  • LIB: add function for formatting numbers w/ digit grouping.
  • client: On Macs, fix failure to recognize CUDA devices when BOINC is launched automatically at login before CUDA has initialized at system boot.
  • Mac installer: attempt to prevent a rare installer crash when system is set for a language other than English.
  • Mac uninstaller: Fix a hang bug on some older versions of OS X (including 10.6.8.)


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.676
- boinc_7.6.7_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.7_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.7_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5396) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slots - usage (Message 63633)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, according to the BOINC developers, this is an artifact of VMs failing.
It's not a bug, and doesn't mean that a task actually uses 2 slots.
5397) Message boards : Android : Constant suspending of tasks (Message 63630)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Plugged in, not plugged in?
If plugged in, what is the minimum battery level you set that the phone should have before BOINC is allowed to rock&roll?
Is the phone at that time at that level, dipping under it when running work, charging again to above it, then continuing work?

Is by chance your maximum battery temperature met?
Do you have "Pause at CPU usage above N%" set to a low value, or is this level met by non-BOINC programs during your run?
What is the value for CPU Limit? Anything less than 100% will do a thermal throttle.
5398) Message boards : Projects : QMC@home/cleanmobility.now (Message 63628)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So at present not only do you need a machine that is on 24/7, but you need to ensure that QMC is the only work running, or at least that the switch between tasks interval is long enough (probably a week or more to be safe).

Or you can set "Leave applications in memory" (Leave non-GPU tasks in memory while suspended on BOINC 7.7)
This leaves all tasks that do not run on a GPU in (virtual) memory when they switch out.

Also, since a couple of years now, tasks don't switch out unless they checkpointed at least once. When an application doesn't checkpoint, it'll run the task from start to finish without break.
5399) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slots - usage (Message 63624)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have emailed one of the developers, but due to time differences and him working elsewhere than on BOINC these days, it can take hours or days for him to answer.
5400) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slots - usage (Message 63622)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So he runs two or more 'tasks' at the same time. One task per VM, one VM per slot.
5401) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63621)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, we sure had fun last night. One after another thunderstorm passing directly over. Went on till 5am, but I had managed to fall asleep long before that time.

But not before I made these pictures, again with my phone, ISO800.

This was residual light after an impact.


Juuuuuuuuuuuust missed it.


That's a mighty nice cloud there.


Getting closer.


Almost.


You sure this wasn't taken during the day?
5402) Message boards : Questions and problems : Slots - usage (Message 63619)
Posted 14 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Both single and multi-core jobs run from a single slot. One slot per job, doesn't matter how much resources the job uses.
5403) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63606)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're in a quiet bit between thunderstorms. Uploading the few photo's I made with my phone. It really has to flash long and hard to be able to catch it on a phone's camera (ISO800).


This was one of the brightest flashes during the first thunderstorm. But then...


This one lit up everything and went on for a full 3 seconds. Time enough for me to take the shot. :)

I do turn everything off during the thunderstorms. Just in case.
Only found earlier that we'd left the balcony door open, and the rain was really falling down, 20 mm/h. The thing though is, my NAS lives right next to this balcony door... Just our luck that these thunderstorms come with neigh on no wind, so all rain just falls down horizontally, none falls onto my balcony.

Anyway, the next lightning fest is starting over my shoulder, time to shut down again.
5404) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63599)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, back to deputizing Chris then. ;-)

Edit: you all have to fend for yourselves for some time now. It's now just past 9pm and it looks like night out here, due to a very heavy thunderstorm coming this way. I'm going to shut down in a minute.




You see from the lack of street lights that this isn't the normal dusk before night.
5405) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63597)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome Angela.
Yeah, sometimes I also wonder why I'm still voluntarily managing this rabble. But then I would probably get bored quickly if I had to do without them. :)
Good to have you around, so that if need be, if I want a night off, I can always deputize you. :)

@Chris and everyone else, I deal with your post as I deal with everyone else's. I wait until complaints come in. And then wait until more complaints come in. Sometimes I then do nothing, sometimes I do something, depends on the contents of the post. I won't just hide anything just because any of you don't like the author.

And as for that, I think it's a good idea everyone gets it out of their systems. So I will allow all of you who feel the need, and that includes Mark, to post your grievances over this in this thread. Just keep it down on the swearing, if you feel the need to do so.

Okay?
5406) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63594)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I have had a small conversation with Eric. Know now what happened last night and know what to do next time. Also emailed the other moderators with that for when they're around and see the faeces hitting the spinning object.
5407) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63586)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
To continue my monologue, an answer again to the people asking for Mark's banishment on these forums. I wish you would think before you requested that, as you're creating a bad precedent if we were to comply.

Because if we were to hide the post that Mark made and banish his hide, I'd have to start hiding everyone's posts and banish them, who are saying rude/threatening things about anyone else, the developers included. That includes of course you not being able to yell at David anymore through here or the Seti forums, we'd have to draw that same one line here.

So my answer is No, I am not going to banish Mark. You can of course always petition my decision with the other moderators. See what they think of it, but I feel they'd rather not burn their fingers on the matter. ;-)
5408) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Tasks Stuck at 0% Downloaded (Message 63584)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The hosts file isn't a blocker, it's an enabler.

Hmmm, not according to all the entries that Spywareblaster, Superantispyware and Malwarebytes make into mine. But then they add them in the form of 127.0.0.1 block_this_site.esse

Hence why I thought of using that same form of blocking to block the second non-working download server.
5409) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63582)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That and the noise my water cooling fan is producing.

It would appear that cat hair doesn't care about filters, it'll get through where it wants to and clings to the fans which then go make all kinds of noise. The other day when I had the system open, I'd also noticed that despite me following the water cooling build manual precisely, that the fan on the radiator was blowing out through the radiator, instead of sucking in. So I just turned the fan around, idle temps are already down by a staggering 5 degrees centigrade!

I also turned the fan on the back of the case around, so it is now blowing out. It was also sucking. Last I switched the power connector of the water pump from the CPU fan connector to a PWR fan connector. Which leaves me with a visit to the UEFI to set CPU fan control to manual and this PWR fan to Full On.

Fun.
5410) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63581)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see you're banished again at Seti and that you find it's worth it to continue the fight here. Which results in questions by others to banish you or hide the whole rampage you're on in this thread.

I decided to do things differently today, since you're going against Angela et alia, I've emailed Eric and asked him that he and Angela take a look and decide what's going to happen. With you and your posts.

This isn't a nice waking up to. That and the noise my water cooling fan is producing. So, I'll go take my system apart, and in the mean time hope I was early enough to still get an answer out of Berkeley. And else...
5411) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc manager 7.6.6 and Windows 10 Pro 64 (Message 63572)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Options->Other options->General, make sure "Enable Manager exit dialog?" is checked.

BOINC Manager->File->Exit BOINC->Check "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"->OK.

In all Windows version you can easily stop just BOINC Manager and have tasks continue. The client that runs the science applications doesn't need BOINC Manager (the GUI) to run the science applications and tasks.

As long as the exit dialog is enabled will you be able to right click on the BOINC icon, or go through File->Exit BOINC, to get to the exit dialog and exit completely. Of course, it is possible to set here to remember this decision and not show the dialog again upon exiting. Which is probably something that's happened on your BOINC, only without the "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager" checked.
5412) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Tasks Stuck at 0% Downloaded (Message 63571)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The purpose of a hosts file is to associate a domain name with an IP address - I see no names!

Ah okay, that's because of something I said. Thanks for the correction. But shouldn't he be blocking .13?
5413) Message boards : BOINC client : Wanting to work on GPU scheduling (Message 63565)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, in that case: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue is the place to start. It's the new place where we put all enhancements/bugs together, instead of in Trac.

To be able to upload your code you need an account there.
How to get the source code and deal with it is detailed on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit.

I don't think there's anyone you need to answer to at this time, but if you need specific questions answered you can always email The BOINC development email list. Requires registering to be able to post to it and receive answers on it back.
5414) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Tasks Stuck at 0% Downloaded (Message 63563)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
From a command line, try ipconfig /flushdns, which will delete the IP resolver cache.
5415) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Tasks Stuck at 0% Downloaded (Message 63558)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti turned one of its download servers off, it's possible your BOINC is trying to download from that server.

One way to circumvent that is by blocking the server that isn't giving downloads in the Windows hosts file.

To do so, open C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts (it has not extension) as administrator in an editor such as Notepad. Then at the top, or bottom of this file add:
127.0.0.1 208.68.240.13

Save the file.

After that exit & restart BOINC. That should be it.
For more in-depth help, you can also ask for help in how to do this in Panic Mode On (99) Server Problems? in the Seti Number Crunching forum.
5416) Message boards : BOINC client : Wanting to work on GPU scheduling (Message 63554)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
— are there any plans about that area, or any related work in progress which I should be aware of/not duplicate?

All the gathered plans, to be done at some point by someone, can be found at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PrefsRemodel.

— can anyone point me towards any context that could get me started? (I have already seen the Trac wiki at boinc.berkeley.edu, the GitHub repo/bugtracker and the dev mailing list)

Not sure what you're asking?
5417) Message boards : Projects : QMC@home/cleanmobility.now (Message 63547)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have emailed Martin and received an answer. Everything at the moment is only done by him, he hopes to get a student to do some work for him. Money is still a problem here though. All work at the moment is for testing, for you to test if it works on your system(s), for him to test that it works in the back.

If you email him, do not expect an answer immediately. That's also why he hasn't put forums on, because he cannot immediately answer if people have questions or comments.
5418) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63542)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The forums are back.
5419) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63534)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The explanation:

everyone's favorite developer wrote:
When a page is read via HTTPS, browsers refuse to read its CSS and image files via HTTP; everything needs to be HTTPS.

The BOINC code now does this (I think) but SETI@home's project status page uses older code that doesn't.
5420) Message boards : Questions and problems : Copy data folder to another PC? (Message 63531)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, the Athlon is 32bit, isn't it? I haven't even checked that. ;-)
5421) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 63529)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
inhibitor
5422) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63524)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Blame Richard. He wanted the uncontrolled database growth fixed, so all those 'cannot find workunit' messages would go away. ;-)
5423) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63522)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seeing I missed something, for Chris.
5424) Message boards : Questions and problems : Copy data folder to another PC? (Message 63521)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shouldn't be a problem, the only thing it may balk about is that the Athlon is 32bit and the A8 64bit. But even then that shouldn't be a total problem.

Make sure to set BOINC network to disabled, and if need be disable the internet on the A8. Just to make sure not all that work is reported as error if things go wrong.

But yes, you can do it the way you want to, rename directory on the A8, copy over the Athlon's directory into the place of your normal data directory.
5425) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63519)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nothing super-secret on there, is there?

That shouldn't matter. It's not two separate pages, just a different protocol.
5426) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63515)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ugh, VLAR stop misusing my mouse, please! I don't mind you running on my HD7870, but don't interfere with everything I am doing.

I see we're missing some CSS on the Server status page. It was all more 'grouped' earlier on. Oh and the Seti menu bar is a bit broken.
5427) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63511)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here then, something to kill time. Find the hidden passages in these hi-res photographs of King Tut's burial chamber.
5428) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 63509)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Irritating. Just turned the TV server off. After 15 minutes I noticed it wasn't off yet. Turned the TV back on: "Do not turn your system off. Installing 1 of 12 updates."

Sigh. Just hoping it doesn't push Windows 10 update files on it, which will install 10 tomorrow when I restart that system. ;-)
5429) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63497)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.oy-reg.dk/register/988.html
de Havilland D.H.104 Dove 8
5430) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63495)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well I'm so down to earth and laid back that I'm positively horizontal :-)

You can't be down to earth and be laid back. You never seen the video?
5431) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 63494)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
..it is future proofed as and when that does happen.

LOL, betting they manage to use a new format then which goes on to be the standard, flipping the finger at all those other formats up till then.

They did so with Blu-Ray...

...as all they had were Blu-ray 3D stuff...

Yes, because that's the standard format on which the 3D stuff can be stored. It takes quite a bit of space to store all those 3D polygons in a format that can be decoded on the fly by the player and possibly the hardware in your TV.

Normal DVDs have a maximum storage capacity of just 4.7GB, dual layer DVDs (needing special players that can read dual layers) can store up to 8.5GB.

A single layer Blu-ray can store 25GB, dual layer 50GB, triple layer 100GB, quadruple 128GB. These are the sizes you need for 3D motion picture films.
5432) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63473)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, as far as I understand, Google will stay on as Google. It'll just be a subsidiary under Alphabet Inc. It's to give their other non-search engine companies a chance to develop without being stuck with the negativities of the Google name.

So Android's going to be an individual brand.
Whomever is developing the electric self-driving car is going to get their own name. Etcetera.

As long as they're not calling themselves The Umbrella Company, I think we can sleep easy. :)
5433) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63469)
Posted 11 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Everyone done reading up about Google going to become part of Alphabet Inc?
5434) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 63457)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let me start off with my pet grumble peeve, people answering to a post in a thread, quoting the whole previous post and adding their single line of nothingness at the bottom. No editing of the quote so it's culled down to what they actually answer to; not being able to just reply; they're usually the first person answering and they need to quote the whole post, doesn't matter how long the thing is.
5435) Message boards : The Lounge : Grumbles, Glory and Covid-19 (Message 63456)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
A thread to post your positive and negative thoughts into. Doesn't matter really what on, or whom on. No flames, please. And if you don't mind, no signatures either.
5436) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Manager FREEZES completely mouse pointer included ! (Message 63453)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version?
Where from, Berkeley installer, or from repository?

BOINC Manager only contacts the BOINC server via remote procedure call to get the latest projects list in, and it only does so every 14 days or so.

So, which projects have you got added?
Which project will BM hang on when contacted?
Is that project up & does it have a scheduler available?
Have you waited to see if things unfreeze after a time? By default, when BOINC cannot contact a project's scheduler, after 5 minutes it'll stop trying to do so and go into a back-off mode.
5437) Message boards : The Lounge : wish for a new version number (Message 63444)
Posted 8 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which version are you using then? 7.6.6 is available as beta.
5438) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac Optimization (Message 63443)
Posted 8 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the project supports doing work through an Intel, AMD or Nvidia GPU, start using that. That'll increase your RAC tenfold.

Else it's an accumulation of the RAC of several computers the other guy had under his account. Run e.g. 10 Xeons with 24 cores per computer and these will run work faster than one i5 with four cores.
5439) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU compute timing (Message 63440)
Posted 8 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
At present, without batch files or Windows Scheduled Tasks switching between boinccmd commands suspending and resuming the GPU, you cannot. Not from BOINC (Manager) at least.
5440) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to suspend a project without starting BOINC Manager (Message 63432)
Posted 8 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, I get from the message that you want to suspend the project, not do difficult things as Richard gives them? Then use the BOINC command tool, BOINCCMD.

Start->Search, type cmd and hit Enter.
A command line window opens. In it type boinccmd --project https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ suspend and hit enter.
This suspends the Einstein project.

To resume it, type boinccmd --project https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ resume and hit Enter.
5441) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63426)
Posted 7 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funnily enough I asked 3 people behind the scenes now what they expect of a new BOINC server, so we can possibly start a crowd-funding or donation drive for one. Utter silence on that as well. So either no one knows, or they just don't need a new server.
5442) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc screensaver not running in windows 10 (Message 63424)
Posted 6 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but the thread you eventually link to is about one of the later beta versions (February 2015) where it doesn't work. So I am just wondering if all OpenGL is still working in the release version, also because Windows Update will pull in all kinds of newer (WHQL) drivers that not necessarily contain things like OpenGL and OpenCL because these are still direct competitors to DirectX and DirectCompute.
5443) Message boards : GPUs : Help me better understand my GPU? (Message 63423)
Posted 6 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Would the "used dedicated" memory include what my OS uses just to run stuff?

Yes, anything that is shown on the monitor uses memory on the videocard. Aside from the resolution itself. Higher resolutions take up more memory than lower ones, screen candy in the operating system or programs take up memory as well.

Would it include other BOINC programs I run at the same time?

Not unless you managed to get the screen saver working under Linux, or you're using the GPU for calculations.
5444) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc screensaver not running in windows 10 (Message 63407)
Posted 5 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, we haven't heard of this yet.
But let's eliminate a thing or two before I forward this to development.

1. Do you know what kind of videocard you have?
2. Do you know which drivers it's got installed?
2a. Are those installed by Windows 10 or by you from the GPU manufacturer's website?

I ask this as it's the first thing the developers will ask: do you have OpenGL support installed in the drivers? I am looking on the Internet and it would seem that Windows 10 comes with no OpenGL support (??)
5445) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving BOINC to another drive causes problems (Message 63403)
Posted 5 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC and the Windows installer that installs BOINC use the registry to store and read the paths to the install directory and data directory.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup\ holds those paths.

When the paths are physically missing, Windows will get confused and you'll see the behaviour you've seen.
5446) Message boards : GPUs : Help me better understand my GPU? (Message 63401)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
* What is "dedicated" memory?

Memory physically on the videocard. So it isn't shared with memory of your computer.

* Why is my "used dedicated" memory no where near the 1024 MB total?

Because the Einstein task does not completely fill the memory. If you want to fill memory on the videocard to the tops, go play games with all the eye-candy set to very high/ultra.

On newer GPUs you can run multiple tasks at the same time. A thing you shouldn't try on your GTS-250 because it's not equipped to handle that.

* What is "Video Engine Utilization"?

A Linux way of saying "Video Engine Load" or "GPU Load". So just the load on the GPU, when running a task, or when doing other GPU intensive things (such as gaming).
5447) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63397)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wasn't someone on Seti offering up an old server some time ago? I suppose for the use of the BOINC web server, you don't really need 8 CPUs, 128GB RAM and 14TB of SSDs?
5448) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63394)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thought that Matt & Jeff worked for Seti@home, are we now to understand that they also work for BOINC as well? Are BOINC's servers also in the COLO as well as Seti's?

BOINC only had one server, called Isaac. Yes, it was moved to the colo at some point as well (previously it ran from a cabinet in David's office).

I suppose Matt and Jeff work on the server because they know more about servers -and getting data from dead ones- than David alone does.

As for the backups, I have asked about that in the past. Don't think I ever got an answer. Hopefully the User Manual wiki can be restored, as I only have one and a half page of it in Notepad++, as I just worked on it last week.
5449) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 DirectX problem with BOINC (Message 63392)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC itself doesn't do anything with the hardware, that's all down to the science applications that you get from the project. And if these run on the GPU, that'll interfere with the mouse, with the screen refresh and lots of other things.

You don't say which projects you run, or which BOINC, or on which Windows, or what your hardware is. Mind lifting that veil?
5450) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63386)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What made you think it was php?

All pages under BOINC are normally PHP, and the actual page in the source code is also called server_status.php

I don't have a bookmark to the SSP, so typed in the address in the address bar. As soon as I typed 's' at the end of Seti's address, that PHP page came up first.
5451) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63383)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see it's contagious.

Pirates@Home:
Project is down
The project's database server is down. Please check back in a few hours.
5452) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63379)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uh oh...

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '@' in /mydisks/a/users/boincadm/projects/dev/html/inc/db_conn.inc on line 41

By the way, is it normal that https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/server_status.php is empty?
5453) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63378)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but I don't think many people mind that. They weren't exactly star-posts. :)
5454) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63374)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sure... if people stop quoting it.
5455) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63368)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the "Word Link" thread is one down.
5456) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63365)
Posted 4 Aug 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me dusts down the bar. Blows the webs off the stools. Sorry for the errors here and there, and the lights may go out again. But it looks like we're back.

If anyone has a clue as to what exactly happened, let me know. I've been asking and only got silence on the line.
5457) Message boards : Questions and problems : opencl question (Message 63358)
Posted 31 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, there are no projects at the moment that have OpenCL applications that run on the CPU only, so you don't need these drivers.

You do need OpenCL/CUDA for the Nvidia card, but support for that is built into the drivers themselves, as long as you download these from the Nvidia drivers site.

By the way, the program's name is BOINC. It's an acronym that stands for Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing.
5458) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I view stats from each Host? (Message 63354)
Posted 31 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Advanced view has a Statistics tab that shows the User Total, User Average, Host Total and Host Average in a line graph. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Advanced_view#The_Statistics_tab for a small example.

BOINC saves those values to the data directory, in a file called statistics_*.xml, where * is the project's URL, e.g. statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml for the statistics from the Seti project. You can use these files to make graphs in other programs.

You can also use add-on software, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/addons.php for options. I'd think that BOINCSpy will do what you want,
5459) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63351)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've asked Eric for clarification, got this back:
Sorry, for the confusion. Before last night the main project scheduler did not send VLAR to GPUs. It had been on beta for so long that I had forgotten that it wasn't on the main project.

I did ask about the Nvidia OpenCL application, but he didn't answer on that. Neither anything on the opt-in/opt-out options. But perhaps for that latter I'll need to ask David. First, making dinner though.
5460) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63348)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still not quite. The test was made in May 2013: SETI Beta message 46039.

I think you're reading Eric's answer wrong. I think he was answering to my last sentence: "If for Seti Main, then it's a new thing, or it didn't work before. :-)"

You're correct on that. The scheduler that was on main was from Oct 2013, which would be before this change was made.

With this change being the one from last night that added VLAR capability to Main.
5461) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63347)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think we have a difference of opinions about this, that's OK, I can live with that :-)

**Jord's opinion!**

Offer people an option to opt-out of something they deem unproductive and they will take it.
Offer people an option to opt-in on something they deem unproductive and no-one will take it, not even those with capable hardware.

We've seen it before, in some sense, as else you wouldn't have had the need for the Rescheduler app on Main. Or before the choice of applications was available, people who would abort Multibeam tasks because they don't pay as much as Astropulse do. Even now there are still some who only have AP checked.

**/Jord's opinion!**
5462) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63343)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great, immediately find someone had PMed me there to ask me if the project was down. Well...
5463) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63334)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
But with opt-in as default, the newbies, or the set and forget crunchers with GPU's that can't handle VLAR's without making the screen lag, would be immediately peed-off, and uninstall BOINC/SETI.

The newbies have to change something to see screen lag: by default BOINC only uses the GPU when the computer is idle, just for that reason.
Added to that, even non-VLARs will at times make the mouse and screen lag. There is information enough out there that explains why that is, and if the newbie then still wants to uninstall, let them, as they don't want to learn about the why and options around it. (My opinion!)

I also doubt that "set it and forget it users" will have any such problem. They forgot for a reason, didn't they? :)

When they've been getting a bit more used to SETI, and understands that they can change many different settings on the web, then they could try and opt-in for VLAR's, and also know how to opt-out if it doesn't work for their GPU.

Uh-uh, so you think that a big cruncher allows his banks of 980s to slowly run VLARs, when he can opt-out without penalty and run faster work instead? That instead other people with GPUs will opt-in?

Also, everyone reading about the scheduler on Main, read Eric's answer that I posted in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8105&postid=63328. :)
5464) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63328)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quick turn around.

Jord in email wrote:
Hi Eric,

Question about the scheduler and VLARs from within the BOINC forums.
People with GTX 980s and Titans never saw VLARs before on their GPUs
on Seti Main. They did see them on Seti Beta, though. So they wonder
if your comment about the scheduler was for Beta, or for Seti Main?

If for Seti Main, then it's a new thing, or it didn't work before. :-)


Eric in email wrote:
You're correct on that. The scheduler that was on main was from Oct 2013, which would be before this change was made.
5465) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63327)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit: I still think that an opt-in/opt-out choice for VLAR's on GPU's would be the best solution, where opt-out should be default.

Or where opt-in is default but only if you have problems, can you opt-out.
Of course, just because they run slow on your GTX isn't a good enough reason, as to be allowed to opt-out then is pure cherry-picking. Only if your GTX only returns errors would it be viable.
5466) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63324)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric Korpela wrote:
If nobody has overwritten the scheduler I put in yesterday night, the check is still there. But it does give VLAR to NVIDIA compute capacity 3.0 and above, and AMD CAL target greater than 12, and AMD CAL target == 0 (i.e. a new GPU that doesn't do CAL).

Strange, I have never been getting VLAR's for my 980 on main, except when something was wrong with the scheduler. Are you sure his answer was regarding Main, and not regarding Beta?

As far as I know, they haven't added all the changes to Beta yet. But I can ask. As you see, I seem to be on the answer memo list. :)
5467) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63323)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better news.

Jeff Cobb wrote:
Oscar is back up and mysql is recovering.

This does not automatically mean that the site is back, the forums are up or anything.
5468) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63321)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My GTX980 is compute capability 5.2

I missed out on the 'at least' in the original message. Edited in now. :)
But even if yours has 5.2, it then has 3.0 capability and more. :D

Eric Korpela wrote:
If nobody has overwritten the scheduler I put in yesterday night, the check is still there. But it does give VLAR to NVIDIA compute capacity 3.0 and above, and AMD CAL target greater than 12, and AMD CAL target == 0 (i.e. a new GPU that doesn't do CAL).
5469) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63317)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, those have at least compute capability 3.0 and those apparently do get VLARs sent. Always have been, according to Eric K.

editing in forgotten words. :(
5470) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63314)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's Oscar, the SETI_BOINC database server, that has crashed.

Also, anyone here who got VLARs on their GPU?
If so, what kind of GPU did you get them on? I know it was Nvidia mostly, but which compute capability?
5471) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63301)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Internal message for Gary, the winner is Gordon. Are you still going to give him the post amount in gold?

Perhaps that the server didn't like all those 64bit bits and pieces and dropped off the face of the earth.
5472) Message boards : BOINC client : How to set package filter on BOINC download list? (Message 63299)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, you cannot do that with a link. The added filters to the link you get when clicking on the Name/Last modified/Size/Description headers of the columns. There's none available for extensions.

So what you can next do - and what I always do - is CTRL + F and do a search on the page for whatever it is you're looking for. F3 to continue to the next available item.
5473) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63296)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's no-one there plus it went off quite sudden. Was more of a PSU that went.
5474) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63289)
Posted 29 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, hadn't had your coffee yet when you posted that, almost 9 hours after I had posted it in the post above yours?
5475) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63283)
Posted 28 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project temporarily down

The BOINC mysql database and server software are currently being upgraded (and tested internally). The project will be offline probably until tomorrow (Wednesday).

Tsss
5476) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 63282)
Posted 28 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti@Home News:
Project temporarily down
The BOINC mysql database and server software are currently being upgraded (and tested internally). The project will be offline probably until tomorrow (Wednesday).
5477) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63246)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have installed the Tunneling Protocol add-on to the TSiDC, so if the overflow happens, we can harbor all.
5478) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.42 released for Windows and Mac (Message 63244)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll forward this to Charlie, in case he isn't subscribed.

But in the mean time, what you can try is this: Open BOINC Manager in one of the affected computers and in the Advanced Preferences dialog change the CPU usage limit from 0 to 100. You can also do this by manually editing global_prefs.xml, if there is no global_prefs_override.xml file and you don't want to create one, and editing &lt;cpu_usage_limit>
5479) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Forum Layout (Message 63242)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
...or this is the time to talk to the New Governing authority to change things to meet users needs that is what Message Boards are designed for and to meet the developers.

These message boards were never designed for talking with the developers of BOINC, but mainly for users helping other users with their problems with BOINC.

Or as I said in the Governance Model thread: we're a technical forum where users - be it people who run the BOINC client, or project administrators who run the back-end - who have problems with their BOINC can ask for help from other users. It does happen that a BOINC developer peeks in on his own and answers, or that they do so after someone on the forums asked them to come take a look.
We are not a general discussion forum about anything BOINC. It is surely possible that you can have such a discussion on these boards, but we're not specifically made for them. In this case, as you have done with your cross-posting thread, post it in the Q&P forum. Technically correct, as you have questions about the PMC and problems with their setup.


The Project Admin has no power to change anything except to Moderate and hit the Delete button.

No no, the project admin == David Anderson. It's him who does have the power to change things on the forums. That's because he can log in on the BOINC domain server. He can add to the BOINC back-end software running on that server, the one that runs this forum, the one that runs the Alpha project, the whole BOINC web site, the Wiki's, etc.

Again, I have never made more of the administrative title that I have as it is: a means to delete posts left behind by spammers. That you or someone else feels it must be more, it needs to be more, is something you have to live with. The way that the BOINC forum software is constructed, this could not be added to my moderator account, without a structural rewrite of the software. It was easier to give me administrative powers.

These do not come with a login on the server, or an option to read contents of the hard drive of Isaac, and write edited contents back. Phew, thank the deities I do not have that power.

I do not need negative comments but constructive criticism which we than forward to the Management Committee to help them creating a software in which users also have an input.

In a discussion you will find people on your way who do not see things your way and who will tell you that, as that's how a discussion works.
Next you want to have a discussion with other users on how you want things to be changed, but all that you allow the other users to write about is how beautiful you have written your statements, and how eloquent you were in bringing the strategic war zone to the developers of the software. Then after that, once you have dotted all your t's and crossed all your i's, you're going to write in to the developers/PMC and tell them in a positively constructive manner that how they have so far gone about their things is not right? I am confused here, for as thus far I haven't seen any constructive criticism from you on how to solve anything.

All you've done so far is repeat things I asked and haven't had answered yet. Where are your own questions?
You want new forums added, but refuse to email the one person who can do so. No, instead you throw your toys out of the pram and fight anyone who tries to put them back.
You want a user appointed to the PMC, preferably me. As I said, I am not interested. So why not appoint yourself, why must someone else do it for you? Else, why not post a thread about it in the forums, asking who is interested in doing this job, who has the time, who thinks it makes a difference? Or email such a request to the BOINC development email list?

You're making it so extremely difficult for yourself by refusing to use the email lists. For example, last Thursday evening I emailed the BOINC Alpha email list and requested that a project's science application name was show in the properties of a running task, when you click one in the advanced view in BOINC Manager. I explained in short what problem I had and what solution I thought was possible for this. About three hours later, it was added by David.
This shows that users have already got input in how BOINC can be enhanced/changed/added upon, for I am but a mere user. I did not have to add code myself, but rather asked.
It also shows that things are just as they were before, ask something and if found to have merit, it'll be added. No need to go through chambers, committees, or Congress.
5480) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63241)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
To date we as users have been disregarded. I am not interested in the 97% who do not reply or appear to care for they will have a chance to say something if the venue for discussion is provided. As it is we as "Users" have no usefull venue in which we can discuss anything relating to BOINC for the Forum does not offer such choice where to do so, neither have we an area for "Support".

..

We do not have an effective forum in which we can discuss BOINC in General. The Administrator of the Forum have no power to change the Layout and include an area for "General" Discussion or an area for "Support".

Make a thread in any forum and I'll sticky it. Then you point everyone you want to have a discussion in it to that thread. As simple as pie.
You still haven't said what you think needs changed, other than the contents of the PMC and these forums. No, sorry, there are no forums for that.

But do know this: we're a technical forum where users - be it people who run the BOINC client, or project administrators who run the back-end - who have problems with their BOINC can ask for help from other users. It does happen that a BOINC developer peeks in on his own and answers, or that they do so after someone on the forums asked them to come take a look.
We are not a general discussion forum about anything BOINC. It is surely possible that you can have such a discussion on these boards, but we're not specifically made for them. In this case, as you have done with your cross-posting thread, post it in the Q&P forum. Technically correct, as you have questions about the PMC and problems with their setup.

In my opinion there is really no need for a new forum, which I will state as well when officially asked upon.

It needs to be referred to David Anderson for approval as stated by the Admin of this forum.
Yes, because David Anderson is a Volunteer moderator, Project administrator, Project developer.

David in Reference A states that he has no more authority than any other member of the PMC and has indicated that he is busy with other projects. Why are users asked to email David? Should this not be the done by the Project Administrator of the Forum? as is stated by Reference A without being referred to the Chairman and why is it the responsibility to email David direct should a user wishes to have an Area for Discussion..

You are deliberately(?) making things more confusing than they really need to be. As I have explained in your other thread, I have the administrator title to do away with spammers and the crap they leave behind. If you want something changed on a project's forums, you go to the owner of the project's server & forums. In this case that is David. It is that simple. There is no need to ask the PMC for any of that, as it is not one of their roles.

David has the power to change things on the forums. That's because he can log in on Isaac, the BOINC domain server. He can add to the BOINC back-end software running on that server, the one that runs this forum, the one that runs the Alpha project, the whole BOINC web site, the Wiki's, etc.

No need to make things more than they really are, I have never made more of the administrative title that I have as it is: a means to delete posts left behind by spammers. That you or someone else feels it must be more, it needs to be more, is something you have to live with. Because of the way that the BOINC forum software is constructed, this could not be added to my moderator account, without a structural rewrite of the software and database. It was easier to give me administrative powers.

These do not come with a login on the server, or an option to read contents of the hard drive of Isaac, and write edited contents back.
Editing the forums also require that the person on the other side is fluent in writing HTML, PHP, C, CPP and some other languages, which I am not. I do not need a login on Isaac. I don't yearn for it. I am very glad I do not have it.

Lastly, can somebody tell me where is the PMC list that is open to the public for I can't find it.

As I told you in your other thread, until otherwise dictated you can use the BOINC Development email list. This list does need registration to be able to post to it and receive answers. Its archives are freely available. It's for: 'News and discussion for people developing, porting or debugging BOINC software', so it's as good a place for now as anything else. It's also the place that you're guaranteed that all the PMC members are registered to, something that cannot be said of the boin_admin google group. It is still not a place that guarantees that you get an answer from anyone, especially not if you continue posting in the heated way you've done so far.
5481) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Forum Layout (Message 63225)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord, please clarify you statement.

If you want changes done to the forum, you will have to email David Anderson about it. He has direct access to the server. Adding a forum in the BOINC software isn't just clicking some options in a back-end menu, but means adding the actual forum name and description into the database, a little thing I cannot do.

Your reply seems to indicate to me that you as an Administrator of this forum is not permitted to change the layout and create a General Area in which we as users can discuss points of view on BOINC.

Correct.

The only area that is suitable at present to express a point of view is in the "Questions and Problem" sub category.

Technically, it is something for in "The Lounge".

If a user who do not have a question or have any problems are at a loss for there is no "General" area in which he may voice his point of view as is permitted in all Forum Software. Generally, if you are not permitted to say something it is written openly under the Rules of the Software. For example: Swearing is not permitted and other statements relating to illegal activities. You have no such rules or even a Eula to cover yourself in case of litigation.

You must have been missing those rules on the left of every post- and answer window you have seen so far in this forum. But otherwise, do read https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/moderation.php.
As for the EULA do read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Usage_rules.

1. You have been given authority from David to Administer this site, furthermore you are an executive of the Day to Day Management of BOINC and you have been classified as an authorized "Committer" as advertised.

You yourself said in some post or email at a time that you do not want to make things difficult, use normal English and all that, but whenever you jump on that bandwagon your English becomes that of a stiff official: difficult to follow. Why don't you drop all the jargon for once and type in normal English what's on your mind? Walls of text really don't do justice to this either. Use brevity and paragraphs where possible, even when being brief you can still make your point.

Therefore I ask, Is all our problems, questions on layout of the Forum or in deed Day to Day management of the Forum should all be directed to David as you indicate?

Large changes to the forums -- such as "we want to change the complete layout of everything" or "we want to change the cascading style sheet from this to that" -- are for the PMC to decide upon. Smaller things, such as the addition of a forum on the BOINC forums, are to be sent to David, as it's his forum, running on his personal server.

I understood that such decisions is invested in the "Committer" and in this case the Administrator who is entrusted to manage it? Why is adding a "General Category" a major change that you as Administrator are not permitted to do?

I have no direct read/write access to the server and the database, and do not want direct read/write access to the server or the database. Having been offered this in the past, I declined with a thank you, no thank you. If I need something, I can ask.

I have always been quite frank why I have the administrator title: it's so I can delete posts left behind by spammers. Moderators can hide posts, that just means that they are no longer visible to the non-moderator public. Moderators and administrators still see those posts and their contents. I though have a Delete button, with which I can delete those posts from the forum's database. That's my only 'db access'.

It's not all positive, because the administrator title makes it that any HTML code I use is executed immediately, which means that I cannot write direct XML examples without jumping through some hoops. The tag containers of XML are executed even though they may not do anything. Thus they do not show up, unless I use a [code/] container, or when in a sentence where I cannot use BBCode without severely disrupting the sentence, I'll have to use ASCII coding for the 'lower than' sign '&lt;' that starts off these containers.

2. Does this mean that in this Forum you are in deed only a Moderator and anything dealing with a change of as simple as a layout must be referred to David

Correct. It's his forum, it runs on his server. We all are merely guests here.

Why are you referring me to the PMC or David when it has been stated that they will not give an answer.?

Don't say 'it has been stated', instead just point out where I said that. It shows you and everyone else a thing or two: you are allowed to spew whatever you want to say in anger onto these forums. As long as you don't use a swear word every other sentence, it'll stay on these forums, it's not hidden because we don't want negative attention to ourselves. It shows you that even I am allowed to speak my kind when I feel things are out of whack.

However, since that outburst of mine I have heard a couple of things on this, things I sadly cannot share with any of the rest of you as they were shared in confidence. It's not the end of this. Changes are still coming through, they just go slow. This whole change to the PMC and the community wasn't done overnight, July 3rd. It is a process that will gradually change over the coming months. The only thing that changed at that point was that the three main BOINC developers were no longer being paid for their work on the source code. For the rest, everything else that was going on in the background, that you never worried about before, is still running as it was prior to July 3rd.


In addition, it is a know fact that David will not answer if it does not suit him for it is not aspected that he can handle thousands of questions from users, I assume that is the reason that he has handed over the running, planning and management to people to help him, I understood you were an appointee to do that.

Again going there with the assumptions. Just as you took it upon yourself to appoint me for the PMC, without asking me first if I had the time or interest in doing so, you just assume things. What's so difficult about asking me?

Please be aware that I intend to keep up my confrontational approach and have no intention to hurt you personal feeling.

My skin really is thick, yet if I don't like what I read then I am also not going to answer you.

This is the Official Forum and I suggest the place that should be used as a common interface between the Project Managers and users showing greater awareness.

This has always been the User forum. Maintained by users, helping other users. The developers only read here when I, or someone else, point out to them that we would like them to look in on things, and even then they don't always do so. Or not immediately.

Hence the warning at the top of the index:
- These messages boards are for the discussion of BOINC, not projects (such as SETI@home, World Community Grid, and so on). To discuss a project, please use its message boards.
- These message boards are frequented by volunteers. It's likely (but not guaranteed) that they'll be able to respond to your questions or suggestions.

Despite your apparent fuming hatred of the boinc_* email lists, that is the most direct way to the developers and now the PMC. And albeit that I do not think that the boinc_admin googlegroup is a good list for discussions with the PMC, there is an alternative, being the Boinc development list that has been around since forever, which is a good substitute. It does need registration to receive email from it and to be able to post to it, but its archives are free for anyone to access.
5482) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63221)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's normally not the heat that is such a problem, but the humidity. At least around here. I've been several weeks in 30-40C heat in Spain without trouble, but have that heat here in The Netherlands and you have to count the humidity of 60% and higher as well, the latter being extremely sapping, especially at night.
5483) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Forum Layout (Message 63219)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
All (major) changes to anything BOINC (client, GUI, server, other back-end/forum, add-ons etc.) will have to be asked permission for from the PMC, or in the least from David Anderson. This is one of those things you'll have to ask David, in email.

You're in your right to fork off the BOINC source code and make any and all changes you deem necessary as long as you allow others access to your changed source code and documentation, as deemed possible under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License.
5484) Message boards : Questions and problems : Reporting of task results (Message 63209)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
CTRL+SHIFT+E will open the event log showing all messages.
This can also be found at:
BOINC 7.4.42 and prior, Advanced menu, Event Log.
BOINC 7.6 and above, Tools, Event Log.
5485) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to tell that Boinc is actually doing something? (Message 63204)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't always run the client as root, that isn't very secure. Do try to make sure that the user who installed it can run it. I'm sure one of the Linux gurus will come by at one time and can take you on the route to see if all permissions are set correctly.
5486) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to tell that Boinc is actually doing something? (Message 63201)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
How can I tell that Boinc is actually doing something? I suspect it isn't (it should have run all night with 100% of the CPU and up to 100 GB of disk space — assuming I understand the preference settings correctly).

So what are your preference settings?

Under Linux you have to start the client separately and first before starting the manager. The Manager doesn't (always) auto-start the client.
5487) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestion - turn off message notification (Message 63200)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.42 and before:
Open BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->Set Notification slider/drop down menu to Never.

BOINC 7.6 and later:
Open BOINC Manager->Options->Other options...->Set Notification drop down menu to Never.

OK to save changes.
5488) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager Wish List (Message 63162)
Posted 21 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
How hard would this be to implement?

Ask a buddy programmer, because since the beginning of this month the way BOINC operates has changed, from being programmed almost exclusively by three paid programmers, to everyone in the community on a voluntary basis.

In other words, bring the code forward and if found to be an interesting enough feature, it may be added to a client/BOINC Manager in the future.
5489) Message boards : The Lounge : Techy Matters (Message 63157)
Posted 21 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I know from the thing my mom has, these smart TVs have internet capability, Skype, it'll check daily for new firmware/software updates, and it'll send your TV watching habits back to your ISP. All stuff that you should be able to cull and kill in the options in the TV, but have to dig deep for as they're on by default, but difficult to disable.
5490) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63133)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It follows that if the BOINC platform were to suffer misadventure, this would negatively impact this $100m initiative, which is using the SETI app and therefore depends on the continued operation of the BOINC platform.

Even if development of BOINC were to come to a complete standstill tomorrow, that would not mean that Seti would no longer function. The present BOINC back-end used by Seti is stable, as are the majority of clients used by the public. Nothing runs via a central BOINC server, so there's really no impact on the projects were BOINC to drop off the face of the Earth. They can continue with what they have in place.

Edit, from David Anderson:
None of that money will go to BOINC, but a little of it might help SETI@home.
5491) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63131)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to repeat, that's $100m headed somewhere in the direction of BOINC.

No, that's 100 million dollars divided over the next decade going to sources trying to find the answer if there is extraterrestrial life or not. Seti@Home is one of the beneficiaries, although we do not know in what form or way yet.

However Seti is not equal to BOINC. Seti just uses BOINC its framework. Just as the multitude of other projects use BOINC as their framework. If it were that simple to snoop off money, WCG could've asked IBM to send BOINC a million. So, please do not confuse BOINC with Seti and vice versa. They are two completely different entities.
5492) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63129)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing of importance is the tidbit that Christian said: So for most people directly involved in maintaining BOINC it is business as usual with the difference that now everything needs to be done in free time.

AKA: nothing has changed, nothing will change, the only thing that changed between then and now is that the three main developers no longer get paid for their time working on the BOINC code (no matter if that's client, server back-end, forums, Android or any additional software and add-ons).

For any of us mere users, everything we did for BOINC was already done in our free time.

It's of no use to continue asking questions, they will not be answered anyway. You will be ignored. The boinc_admin googlegroup listing is for the discussion of everything BOINC, not for PMC discussions, BOINC changes or god forbid, asking questions and expecting answers.

Nothing has changed, nothing will change. Shrug.
5493) Message boards : Questions and problems : Setting up a new machine (Message 63122)
Posted 19 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
About 160mm long, full height, two slots wide.

If this motherboard is sitting in a server rack, he may not want full height.

@Horst, what are the dimensions of the case or rack the motherboard sits or goes in?
5494) Message boards : Questions and problems : Setting up a new machine (Message 63120)
Posted 19 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Look for "Low Profile" GPUs when searching. Either that or "Half-Length".

I found these, looking for AMD only thus far:
XFX R7-240A-CLF2 Radeon R7 240 2GB
XFX One ON-XFX1-STD2 Radeon HD 5450 512MB
XFX HD-545X-ZQH2 Radeon HD 5450 1GB
The latter two are passively cooled, which could be a problem.

Also available lots of R5 GPUs low profile.
Or a search for "R7 Low Profile" on Newegg.

No R9s available in low profile model.

Lastly, and explanation on the difference between full-length, half-length and low profile.

Oh and if you need the manual, look here. Don't let the German name for the manual throw you, the PDF is in English.
5495) Message boards : Questions and problems : Setting up a new machine (Message 63116)
Posted 18 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The board is an ASUS Z8NR-D12 server board.

Here is a picture of that board at asus.com.

Here's the rest of the specifications: https://www.asus.com/Server-Workstation/Z8NRD12/specifications/
5496) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 63105)
Posted 17 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have released a new build to test. We believe that this build is a release candidate.

The big ticket items for the 7.6 release are:
* Improved advanced preferences dialog (more closely aligned with web based preferences)
* Improved menu layout
* Updated localizations
* Able to deal with project files greater than 4GB

If no showstoppers are found are found by the 27th, this will be the next public release.

NOTE: I will be following this email up with an individual email to everybody. A month or two ago the list server we used started disabling subscriptions due to a configuration issue. So I apologize in advance if you receive more than one email from me regarding the release email.

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Please report your test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
5497) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.4.42 (X64) -> unusable computer (Message 63088)
Posted 16 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
2015-07-16 16:05:27 | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 2030526; resource share 100

2015-07-16 16:05:27 | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5057537; resource share 100

As I expected, you're running work on your ATI GPU, from both Einstein and Seti. This will cause the problems you see with regards to slowness, refresh rates, etc. Simply solved by setting the preference for the GPU to only run when the system is idle (you away from keyboard but computer still on).

Edit: To do so, open BOINC Manager, (Tools, Advanced view), Tools, Computing preferences..., uncheck Use GPU while computer is in use, click OK.
5498) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 63080)
Posted 15 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.6 available for testing for Macintosh and Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.5 -> 7.6.6

  • Mac installer: make my changes for OS 10.11 El Capitan compatibility work with branded versions of BOINC (GridRepublic, etc.)
  • client: fix bug in computing elapsed time when CPU throttling.
    When CPU throttling was in effect, we were accumulating elapsed time at about half the correct rate.
  • MGR: Prevent crash on Windows with the menu disabling code. Revisit when more time is available.
  • client (Win): when read stderr.txt, wait for write lock to be release first.
    Apparently, on Win, there is still a write lock on stderr.txt, and its buffer isn't flushed, until shortly after the app process exits. This is bizarre, but so be it.




Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.6
- boinc_7.6.6_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.6_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.6_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

Windows 7.6.6
- boinc_7.6.6_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.6_windows_x86_64.exe

5499) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63079)
Posted 15 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny, today in on the boinc_admin google group:
My name is Z and i write to you from this company, an international ad network that specializes in monetizing ad-space inventory for publishers.

our research shows that our advertisers are ideally matched to your traffic.

We are looking to buy remnant ad-space inventory. Could this be interesting for you?
5500) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.4.42 (X64) -> unusable computer (Message 63071)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects are you attached to, and which have work?
Is any of them doing work on the HD5870? Because when work is done on the GPU, the exact problems you have can happen, stuttering, slowness of screen refresh, even complete halts. This is why by default BOINC will only use the GPU when the computer is otherwise idle, aka no one at the keyboard/mouse == use GPU for calculations.

If you changed that so that the GPU is used when the computer is in use, these artifacts can happen.
5501) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63056)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess we should find a sponsor for this thread, ey? What with the new direction of BOINC and all. And if it has half a million views on only 3,000 posts, it might be profitable enough for an ad company to input their merch here. ;)
5502) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63053)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You forgot the check he schedule, you have bar duty here!

/me picks the code-word book for week 29 and sees that Gary's off by at least three weeks in any direction. The decoding is also gobbledygook: The purple fan hit the upcoming Plutonian moon, bar three (s)witches.
5503) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why project schedule priority so high? (Message 63036)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I frequently have to set No New Tasks for Asteroids...

a) you choose to set No New Tasks for any project, nothing is forcing you to do so.
b) by choosing to set NNT on a project, you enforce on BOINC your own form of scheduling, thereby breaking BOINC its capability of learning about these projects. The same thing when you go manually abort tasks etc.
c) the only way to get BOINC to learn everything about the idiosyncrasies of all the projects, and the amount of work they send, is for you to let go and leave BOINC do the scheduling without interrupting, even if that takes months to work out and even if that means that some of the work will be auto-aborted by BOINC because of deadline problems. To use a weird analogy, it cannot learn without breaking some eggs.

Crudely said, until that time, none of us can explain how things work, because you are not ready to hear it anyway.
5504) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63028)
Posted 13 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
An Answer from Christian Beer:

Hi fellow members of the BOINC Community,

I want to address some of the points made here or in the forum threads
Jord mentioned and provide my point of view to this. As a longtime BOINC
contributor I feel honored to be a member of the PMC and I will continue
and hopefully intensify my contribution to BOINC as a project.

The PMC was established to discuss and formulate the strategic goals of
BOINC not the operational day-to-day activities of contributors and
committers. So for most people directly involved in maintaining BOINC it
is business as usual with the difference that now everything needs to be
done in free time. I hope that the PMC will encourage contributors (old
and new) to come forward and present new ideas or suggest changes to
BOINC or the governance model as a whole. I don't see this as something
set into stone and it is sometimes easier to find a majority among a
group of people than in a single individual.

From what I read in the forum discussion about the governance change is
that the group of "Users" as a stakeholder feels it is underrepresented
in the PMC. I didn't have the feeling when I saw the list as I consider
Matt and Willy as representatives of the "User" community. But it's also
clear to me that if the community wants this to change, the process is
clear. Find someone who is willing to accept a position in the PMC and
post to this mailing list. I would be willing to initiate a vote so this
person becomes a member of the PMC and is part of the decision process.

Another point I want to make clear is the distinction between "Users"
and "Contributors" in respect to the BOINC project. A "Contributor" is
someone who contributes code, writes documentation or helps other
"Users" with problems. It is not someone who contributes computing time
through BOINC to a scientific project, that is clearly a "User". See the
sections 2.1 and 2.2 in the governance document.

As the discussion in the several forums revolve around the governance
model I would suggest to discuss this first (on the boinc_admin google
group). Please focus on changes to the current model.

MfG / Regards
Christian Beer
5505) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63022)
Posted 12 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I copied over the extended message to Free-DC and the following projects:

SETI@Home
World Community Grid

A for effort, but a C for execution. As I already said in a post in this thread, Seti, Bitcoin Utopia and WCG already had threads on the subject, I even linked to their threads.
5506) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63015)
Posted 12 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did send in an email to the lists:

It has been a week since the news about the new Governance BOINC came out. Time for some of the questions that keep people busy:

Programming: "In all cases, contributors are expected to work as part of the community." You and Rom have been adding code- and bug-fixes this past week. Are you exempt from having to discuss any of your code with the rest of the community, or is this only for newcomers or only for new feature code?

Documentation: what of those users that have an editor account already, will their account continue to work as it was before?
What of those with administrator power but not mentioned as a committer?
Which changes are they allowed to make, is this with or without consent of the community/PMC?
When do they have to ask the committers for help?
Can any page be added without permission, or do I have to ask permission every time I want to add a page?

Communication channels: "The project will provide communication channels for various purposes: PMC public email list..." So far, none has been provided.

PMC: why was it decided to add a PMC?
Why not have just one or two deciders?
Who has decided who is in the initial group?
Were they all asked, or were they appointed?
Is there any transparency in how they were chosen?
How about they introduce themselves on the (PMC) email list?
When did they decide that David should become their chairman?
Why isn't there already one or two people from the community included?

Email lists: what's the boinc_admin googlegroup for and what does it add that the boinc_* email lists don't already have?
Will the boinc_* email lists from Berkeley die out now?
You ask that people email you on boinc_admin@googlegroups.com, but don't tell that they should go to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/boinc_admin to register as member of that group, as else they will not receive emails from that group, or answers to their question if someone chooses to only answer to boinc_admin* like what happened with the answer to Nicolás Alvarez. It isn't intuitive that these groups need registration to be able to follow the conversation on there.

The News Is Not Out There: "BOINC is a community-based open-source project." But at the same time, the community that is supposed to make this project is not informed of their role. I have made a trawl through all of the projects on the http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php list, plus some added from bookmarks. In all I searched in about 45 project forums and found discussion about this new Governance BOINC in just three (!!) of them (Bitcoin Utopia, WCG and Seti).
It's not even discussed in any of the project forums of the people named in the PMC, apart from WCG and Seti. And only in the thread on the latter has one person from the PMC answered once (Rom). All threads seem to have died out now.

News like this should have been sent through the Notices to reach as many people from the community as possible.
Also the timing of the news was a bit suspicious, posting it on the 3rd of July, right before all of America is away for pre-celebrations of the 4th of July and the start of vacation time in a lot of countries in the Northern Hemisphere. It's as if the news shouldn't have been out there, or that it needs downplaying on the importance of the change. The one line, two sentences 'News' bit on the BOINC front page didn't make it any clearer either. Even I didn't recognize it as 'THE ANNOUNCEMENT', which is why I asked you to post the news on the BOINC website.

Apart from two follow-up mails from members of the community, this news has been met with total silence. Either it isn't received by anyone, no one understands what you meant, or no one cares. Or the importance of it is lost on everyone. I would've expected something more, or at least someone else with a lot of questions like I am now sending in. But since that time, it's been total silence in this thread. So perhaps a renewed explanation is needed, or a teleconference. Put a video about it on Youtube?

Last, something that Rom said and has me thinking: "A new grant request has been submitted to the NSF based on feedback from various sources. We don't expect to hear anything back from NSF until early next year." .. does that mean that when you find new funding, that you turn off the community-based BOINC again, thank all members of the PMC and go back to how it was developed/produced before?

I'll leave it there, for now. It's possible I come up with additional questions, but will wait first to see what, if anything, I get back on these.
In the mean time, I'll link to the threads I mentioned in the three project forums, in case people want to read up on them.

Bitcoin Utopia http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=887
WCG http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,38168
Seti https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77650


So far, I got as answers, these from Rom Walton:
Jord wrote:
Programming: "In all cases, contributors are expected to work as part of the community." You and Rom have been adding code- and bug-fixes this past week. Are you exempt from having to discuss any of your code with the rest of the community, or is this only for newcomers or only for new feature code?

Difference in rolls I suppose. Committers are assigned areas of responsibility (See section 2.3) where they are expected to evaluate bug reports and code submissions. Sections 4 and 5 talk about the scope of things committers are expected to do on a day-to-day basis.

Right now most of the feature areas and the various areas of responsibility are on David's and my plate. I suspect things will start changing as we start working through the new model of doing things.

Jord wrote:
Documentation: what of those users that have an editor account already, will their account continue to work as it was before?
What of those with administrator power but not mentioned as a committer?
Which changes are they allowed to make, is this with or without consent of the community/PMC?
When do they have to ask the committers for help?
Can any page be added without permission, or do I have to ask permission every time I want to add a page?

Is there something specific you want to address? How were these things addressed before the change over?
How do you think they should be addressed now?

Jord wrote:
PMC: why was it decided to add a PMC?
Why not have just one or two deciders?

David has joked a time or two that one of his biggest fears was me being hit by a bus.

I guess you could say that the PMC is a logical outgrowth of that kind of concern. What would happen to the project if something happened with David and I. With the PMC in place there is a logical place for the community to look to keep things together.

Jord wrote:
Who has decided who is in the initial group?

David, one of his last official acts in the benevolent dictator role.

Jord wrote:
Were they all asked, or were they appointed?

Asked and they agreed to be a part of it.

Jord wrote:
Is there any transparency in how they were chosen?

Not really.

Jord wrote:
When did they decide that David should become their chairman?

June 10th

Jord wrote:
Will the boinc_* email lists from Berkeley die out now?

Not as far as I know.

Jord wrote:
Last, something that Rom said and has me thinking: "A new grant request has been submitted to the NSF based on feedback from various sources. We don't expect to hear anything back from NSF until early next year." .. does that mean that when you find new funding, that you turn off the community-based BOINC again, thank all members of the PMC and go back to how it was developed/produced before?

I don't think this is something you walk back.

----- Rom

and this from David Anderson:
Jord wrote:
Programming: "In all cases, contributors are expected to work as part of the community." You and Rom have been adding code- and bug-fixes this past week. Are you exempt from having to discuss any of your code with the rest of the community, or is this only for newcomers or only for new feature code?

David wrote:
The governance doc says:

Committers have no more authority over the project than contributors. Their work is visible to the community (e.g. in a commit history) and can be reviewed by the community. The key difference is that this review happens after the change is made, rather than before.
5507) Message boards : Questions and problems : virtualbox 5.0 not recognized by boinc (Message 63009)
Posted 11 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So as users we don't have to do anything? only project as atlas etc have to change their files?

You best notify the affected project(s) that there are problems with the present wrapper applications and that there are better ones available. Not everyone reads the email lists.

But yes, essentially you do not have to download these files, the project will have to incorporate them.
5508) Message boards : Questions and problems : virtualbox 5.0 not recognized by boinc (Message 63006)
Posted 11 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got answer back from development already.

They have released new VirtualBox wrapper applications for BOINC which do work with VBox 5.0
The project will have to update their wrapper applications.
5509) Message boards : Questions and problems : virtualbox 5.0 not recognized by boinc (Message 63005)
Posted 11 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I will forward the message to higher up, whomever that is these days.

But also know, the old adage on this: "We recommend the VirtualBox version that is included in the recommended BOINC Windows installer, since newer VirtualBox versions do not work correctly for all projects."
5510) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 63002)
Posted 11 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Like I have mentioned before, I am not your personal manservant, Mark, and if you do not know or care which thread to post in while you're in your drunk endeavours, then I don't care either. I have deleted all of the posts with a Youtube link. Easier than moving them over to the threads they are designated for.

Perhaps wise to put a post-it on your monitor(s) on which you write in FAT letters "When drunk, no posting links in Seti thread".
5511) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu port 31416 failed (Message 63001)
Posted 11 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something is already using TCP port 31416 on your computer, the '98' in the error message tells you that. So you can try to figure out which program uses the port, doing:
lsof -i:31416

from a terminal window.

You can try to exit the BOINC client binary, and restart it, then immediately start BOINC Manager.

Or you can start the BOINC binary and BOINC Manager with different port numbers.
Do:
boinc --gui_rpc_port 31417
boincmgr /g --gui_rpc_port=31417
5512) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62979)
Posted 11 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
stealing it from elsewhere
5513) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 62974)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, forwarded that info to the higher-uppers.
5514) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 62971)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone have any information about Convector@Home? Have they gone under, or are they just down for maintenance/vacation/other?
5515) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager pop-up: Communicating with client, please wait -- Temporary Hang (Message 62970)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have 11.6 GiB of memory - so I do not think this is the problem.

Depends on the speed of the memory and the time it takes to load a huge file in. I just noticed a long "communicating with client" box on my BOINC Manager due to an Einstein Gamma-ray pulsar search loading into memory. It's 410MB big.
5516) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not requesting tasks: don't need (CPU: not highest priority project; Intel GPU: not highest priority project) (Message 62969)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
This persistant error

It's not an error. Errors manifest themselves by telling you they are an error. When there's no mention of an error in the message, it is not an error message, but informational.

As to why you have the message, it's a bit difficult to track because aside from BURP and WuProp you do not mention which projects you've got added, which resource shares they have, and which are for CPU and which for GPU.

Also, the it doesn't do a lot of computing since it's not plugged in a lot will play an important part here, as BOINC will not go fetch work from long working projects when it has not a chance to return the work before the deadline, based on the values for:
Fraction of time BOINC is running
While BOINC is running, fraction of time computing is allowed
While is BOINC running, fraction of time GPU computing is allowed

(And you can find those in the tablet's ID details at any project that has been updated)

NCI projects such as Wuprop don't play among the priority projects. They can always fetch work.
5517) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 62962)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quake Catcher's Network outage message:
Carl Christensen wrote:
The QCN servers will be packed up at Stanford next Monday (July 13th) and FedEx'd overnight to CalTech. It is hoped that by the end of next week the servers will be online at CalTech and the project will begin running again. We are forwarding our Internet DNS from Stanford to CalTech so that machines connected to "qcn.stanford.edu" will be routed to the new server location automatically (probably qcn.caltech.edu). More information will be sent once things are back up and running - but it's most likely the project will be down the week of July 13th. You shouldn't have to do anything - BOINC will automatically connect once it detects the servers are back up.

Source
5518) Message boards : Projects : Citizen Science Grid has wrong project URL (Message 62953)
Posted 8 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
5519) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62940)
Posted 7 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me puts a 360° cut-out board of a sternly looking Jord at a key position to scare everyone into submission and walks away.
5520) Message boards : Web interfaces : The Knights who say ni! (Message 62933)
Posted 7 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know what you mean, care to explain, and also what you think BOINC should do to fix that? We don't make the links.
5521) Message boards : Documentation : app_config.xml page on wiki (Message 62925)
Posted 5 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having checked some further into it, I see I am wrong.
For example, Einstein@Home had an application stored in client_state.xml called
<name>einsteinbinary_BRP5</name>


I've adjusted the wiki to hopefully make things more clear.
5522) Message boards : Documentation : app_config.xml page on wiki (Message 62922)
Posted 5 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Application_Name may contain uppercase, lowercase, numerics and special characters.

I don't concur.
&lt;name&gt;&lt;/name&gt; contains the same name of the application as stored in client_state.xml, and is just the short application name used by BOINC and the project. It is the &lt;user_friendly_name&gt;&lt;/user_friendly_name&gt; in app_info.xml and client_state.xml that can contain uppercase and lowercase characters, because this reads in a user friendly way the application's name.
Both can contain numerics and special characters.
5523) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 62910)
Posted 4 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.5 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.3 -> 7.6.4

  • client: print descendant PIDs on exit or abort code.
  • client: always show task_debug message if kill_program() fails
    ... but change kill_program() so it's not a failure if the process doesn't exit. This is to help debug a possible "zombie process" bug
  • Mac installer: changes for compatibility with OS 10.11 El Capitan.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.4 -> 7.6.5


  • Mac installer: improved changes for compatibility with OS 10.11 El Capitan.


Available installers:

Macintosh 7.6.5
- boinc_7.6.5_macOSX_x86_64.zip
- boinc_7.6.5_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.5_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

5524) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62907)
Posted 4 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Temperature in my computer room: 31.5C.
Outside temperature 32.9C

Only wearing shorts.
The table fan I have on blowing air in my direction blows hot air only.
The rain shower that the radar showed was slowly coming our way is dissipating before it reaches us.

Let's melt!

Ah and still running Seti on my GPU: 71C. :)
5525) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 62905)
Posted 4 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
BOINC's funding from the U.S. National Science Foundation has ended, at least for the time being.
This funding supported me, Rom Walton, and Charlie Fenton.
We're now working on other things, although we'll stay involved in BOINC at some level.

The BOINC project will continue, and will be run according to a community-based model rather than centrally.
In essence, the people who contribute to BOINC now make the decisions about it.
This model is summarized here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectGovernance and described in detail here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C6pU5RqidYBxk9oyAevm1yH1tn4Hw27oM8YpvsnR-gg

There will probably be little visible change.
The BOINC software will continue to work.
The translation system, Alpha testing project, BOINC web site,message boards, and email lists will continue to operate.
However, any new development and major bug fixes to BOINC will need to be done by volunteer programmers.
I'm confident that the BOINC community will meet the challenge.

I welcome your feedback.
Please post it to boinc_admin@googlegroups.com, a new email list for discussions about the BOINC project as a whole.

-- David
5526) Message boards : API : BOINC's Java binding for GUI page down? (Message 62904)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's a GUI available as well, at https://github.com/BOINC/boinc.
For a list of issues (former Trac tickets), see https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues
5527) Message boards : Questions and problems : updating to Win10, how do I keep my current project information (Message 62903)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uninstall BOINC through Add/Remove Programs.

Backup your BOINC data directory, by default C:\Programdata\BOINC\ and all files and sub-directories in there.

After Windows 10 has installed, put back the directory, then reinstall BOINC. This will make sure all permissions are set correctly.
5528) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 62902)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best for me to post it here, I think.

David Anderson wrote:
BOINC's funding from the U.S. National Science Foundation has ended, at least for the time being.
This funding supported me, Rom Walton, and Charlie Fenton.
We're now working on other things, although we'll stay involved in BOINC at some level.

The BOINC project will continue, and will be run according to a community-based model rather than centrally.
In essence, the people who contribute to BOINC now make the decisions about it.
This model is summarized here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectGovernance and described in detail here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C6pU5RqidYBxk9oyAevm1yH1tn4Hw27oM8YpvsnR-gg

There will probably be little visible change.
The BOINC software will continue to work.
The translation system, Alpha testing project, BOINC web site,message boards, and email lists will continue to operate.
However, any new development and major bug fixes to BOINC will need to be done by volunteer programmers.
I'm confident that the BOINC community will meet the challenge.

I welcome your feedback.
Please post it to boinc_admin@googlegroups.com, a new email list for discussions about the BOINC project as a whole.

-- David
5529) Message boards : GPUs : no GPU work fetched whn fetch minimal flag set (Message 62897)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It also helps to know what the meaning is of
<fetch_minimal_work>1</fetch_minimal_work>

It means: get one task per hardware device and then, until you restart BOINC, never again. It's one for testing purposes, where a project admin can test that his newly built scheduler and or plan_class gives work out to the intended hardware devices without having to store a full cache of work.

One of these days I'll edit the description of it in the Wiki to say this, as I understand that what it now says may be confusing (I did not write that).
5530) Message boards : Questions and problems : project running (Message 62887)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're looking for a solution where there is none, as this is basically how BOINC works and you will notice if you leave things along that it will work fine. BOINC works on a first in/first out basis, so tasks that came in yesterday will be run before tasks that came in today, even if the tasks of today have an earlier deadline than the ones that came in yesterday.

BOINC will do its best to finish all work before their deadlines. And as long as you let it and don't start micro managing things, it will manage to do so fine.

As for why not run by deadline?
What if you run a project that has 3 days deadlines, a project that has 7 day deadlines and a project that has a deadline 6 months from now? As long as the shorter deadline projects have work, the task(s) with the longer deadline never gets worked on, until at least 2 days to 24 hours before their deadline is up and then it will be too late. These long deadline tasks don't have a long deadline task for nothing, it usually means they are a bit bigger, although that does depend on the project and kind of work.

BOINC calculates every ten seconds if all work in cache can still be done by their individual deadlines, based on the amount of flops that the project gave the task that's needed to finish the task, the amount of time the computer is on, the amount of time of that that BOINC is allowed to run, the amount of time of that that the CPU and GPU is allowed to do calculations, etc.

And yes, it does happen at times, especially on overfilled caches, that BOINC won't be able to finish one or more tasks in time. But then it learns for the next time and just won't request as much work as it did the last time.
5531) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62878)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know that Saturday is a day to do absolutely nothing, as then temps are expected to peak at 39-40C (although we hope for less!)
And then to think that the Tour starts on that day in Utrecht. I don't want to think about it being in that city with thousands of others watching that in that scorching heat.
5532) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62874)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can someone send us rain/thunderstorms/heck even wind is okay? Today our max temps topped 36C (humidity 60%), after a night of 24C (hum. 55%). Please, no more. Our cats have lost the will to walk to their food/water bowls. Fans don't help.

Edit: typing that I hear thunder. It appears a thunderstorm is starting just North of us. Bad luck.
5533) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive Applications Issue (Message 62873)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure you have your CPU Activity set to run based on preferences, as when set to run always, that will ignore any exclusive applications.

Also make sure you used the right executable name for the game. Some games use launchers that launch the actual game's binary and then exit.
5534) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disk thrashing - system to slow to use. (Message 62868)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd also like to know things as memory use, disk space etc. So why not post the BOINC start up messages of that computer?
5535) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62854)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe it's that power testing/maintenance that bit them back.
5536) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62847)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps everyone went back to Seti, as the project is back up.
5537) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62840)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for the other words in there, neither are considered racist or anything according to Google or Wikipedia.
FYI: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1307346/posts

And from that: The board of inquiry spent one day looking at old Lone Ranger shows, eventually concluding that the term was never used in a derogatory way and that Tonto and the Lone Ranger treated each other with respect.
5538) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62837)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quoting Chris' original post without the swapping part.

I wonder if those modern ideas of outsourcing come from places like, err, the Haas School of Business :D

Could be Richard could be :-) Add to them the LSE and Manchester Business School. I am always very wary of anyone with an MBA, I'm quite convinced there is a Marxist influence there. Too many times over 40 years I have seen these bright sparks, turn a company upside down, take the short term accolades, then move on "career wise" before the crap hits the fan behind them.

the outpost is open for business.

Hi kemosabe, swop (censored) for a cold beer? Chingachgook say my credit good!

As for the other words in there, neither are considered racist or anything according to Google or Wikipedia. Really, the political correctness may shoot through a tiny bit too much at times. Let's burn all Karl May books, all Lone Ranger paraphernalia, and all westerns with John Wayne in it.
5539) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62832)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi kemosabe, swap {censored} for a cold beer? Chingachgook say my credit good!
Must be me. I know you intended humor, but I found it offensive.

Want me to flog or flail him?
Oh and you, for quoting his offensive stuff.

I'll give everyone time to edit their posts. That way I don't have to delete stuff left and right. :)

In any case the sign says platinum, gold, silver or bit coin only, no funny paper.

Just the day I bought 42 bars of Gold Pressed Latinum and then it's not on he list. Sigh.
5540) Message boards : Projects : Listing of BOINC-based Projects (Message 62831)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
...if a project does not talk to their users in the NEWS section (an area designed by the software developers for that purpose)...

Only in the newer (post r19949) back-end code and forum software is it rather easy to add News that also shows up on the front page. Make a new thread in the News forum and it automatically shows as news on the front page.

But this News forum is not automatically enabled when a project decides to upgrade to the newer BOINC back-end and forum code. One has to specifically enable it, and run a converter program to convert old news to this new format. In the older days, the administrator(s) had to write News in HTML form directly into the front page at html/project/project_news.inc, something that not everyone found (and finds) so easy to do.

There are also project admin who find that the newer back-end and forum code are incompatible with their project, and so they do not update. It's not that easy to only install the forum software, as it has many hooks into the back-end code, so the best thing to do is update both at the same time. But if that breaks things and causes your project downtime (and costs you money), it's not something you would like to do.

Then some projects have their own personalized front page that doesn't work (well) together with the BOINC back-end and forums, which means that although they may add news to a news forum, it doesn't automatically show up on their front page news.
Or projects that use phpBB forum software, which doesn't work at all with the BOINC front page or News section.
Or projects that have personalized their older forum software so heavily that it's near impossible to translate to the newer BOINC back-end and forum code, without severely breaking things.
5541) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62828)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I haven't got a single one. :)




But then that's normal, as I only let BOINC run in the evenings, and even then only when not gaming. With the room temperature now approaching 30C (84F), I doubt I'll be allowing Seti to do any work tonight.

And while the new case is now sitting in my living room, it won't be until tomorrow that I'll be moving everything over. I'm a little static today, hopefully that's more normalized tomorrow.
5542) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62809)
Posted 27 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
They do still have some basic things up and running.

The upload server was on all this time.

And of course nothing went wrong the past hours, or this page would've dropped off as well.
5543) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62791)
Posted 27 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, found my case: Aerocool Aero-1000. Comes with three 120mm case fans, and multiple places where I can easily add the radiator for the water cooling.
5544) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62783)
Posted 27 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well good we have the outage. That way I could go figure out why my GPU fan speed wouldn't go above 30% when under load. Last night I was playing Just Cause 2, and when the GPU was running at 71C the fan was making quite some noise... but still only at 30% fan speed.

Speedfan would only allow the speed of the GPU fan to go above that when I manually increased it. As soon as I closed Speedfan, back to 30%.

It was AMD's Catalyst Control Center that had the Overdrive on by default, which would not allow the fan speed to increase. I don't know why. Disabled Overdrive and immediately my fan speed increased. Since it's all of a sudden summer over here and the next week they expect 30C and more, I'd want good cooling. Especially since I haven't decided yet what new case I want, so I can change over to the water cooling for my CPU. I cannot decide between another Aerocool case or a Cooler Master case.

But anyway, fan speed is now at 58%. So managed to fix that.

Fun detail on the water cooling in my TV server. The other day I noticed that I'd put the fan on wrong, it was blowing the air from the case over the radiator to the outside. Of course for best performance you want to suck in air over the radiator into the case. So yesterday I flipped the fan on the radiator, so that it is now sucking in air. Immediately the idle temp on the CPU went from the 27C when blowing out, to 34C sucking in. Apparently it's cooler inside the PC case than the outside air is. ;-)

I'll tinker with that one for the next few days.
Thanks for the proof reading, Chris
5545) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62748)
Posted 25 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It appears your temp ban is over already.
5546) Message boards : BOINC Manager : unexpected XML tag or syntax (Message 62747)
Posted 25 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not Grid Republic, nor an account manager site.
The Notices tab shows messages of something wrong with BOINC that you can fix, aside from the normal news posted by projects.

Grid Republic hasn't updated to 7.6 yet as far as I know, so either it's something that is incompatible between BOINC 7.6 and Grid Republic or it's something in a file you added but used the wrong encoding on. Best always use ANSI encoding, instead of UTF-8 or anything else when making (control) XML files.

It would perhaps also help if not part of the message was in Russian.
5547) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62740)
Posted 25 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actor Patrick Macnee, star of The Avengers TV series, has died in California at the age of 93.
News

Mark, contain yourself.
5548) Message boards : BOINC client : i686 for macOSX download link broke (404 error) (Message 62729)
Posted 25 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That may have been my links in the change log thread. Fixed now, thanks.
5549) Message boards : Questions and problems : Uninstall and install (Message 62682)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Read this BOINC FAQ for steps on how to fix that.
5550) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62681)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
T is next to Y, 20mm apart.

What kind of keyboard do you have where there's 2 centimeter spaces between keys and you still being able to mistype?

I've got a Logitech K360 Blue. It is really tiny and it's got an irritating key with a \ and | to the left of the Enter key. You don't want to know how many times I've hit it trying to press Enter.

But at least I can again read the WADS and FGHJKL:" range of keys, because on my previous full-size Logitech keyboard gaming had worn those completely off. There it was a gamble to hit the correct key. But even that keyboard didn't have 2 centimeters between keys.

So?
You a Luddite with an old mechanical keyboard? ;-)
5551) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62674)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ant decent beer going?


or


What typos don't do.
5552) Message boards : Questions and problems : Elapsed time running slowly (Message 62673)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not that BOINC runs the science application for 4 seconds and pauses it for 6 seconds consecutively when set to 40%. It'll do it in timings like this:

100%: it runs all the time.
90%: 9 second run, 1 second idle.
80%: 4 second run, 1 second idle.
70%: 3 second run, 1 second idle, 2 second run, 1 second idle, 3 second run, etc.
60%: 1 second run, 1 second idle, 2 second run, 1 second idle, 1 second run, etc.
50%: 1 second run, 1 second idle, 1 second run, 1 second idle, etc.
40%: 1 second run, 1 second idle, 1 second run, 2 seconds idle, 1 second run, etc.
30%: 1 second run, 1 second idle, 1 second run, 3 seconds idle, 1 second run, 2 seconds idle, etc.
20%: 1 second run, 4 seconds idle, 1 second run, 4 seconds idle, etc.
10%: 1 second run, 9 seconds idle.
0%: It's paused.

When it does the run, it'll do that full CPU. But because it can take a couple of seconds before a CPU goes to full load, you will see the see-saw, but it won't top 100% unless at the higher percentages, where the run time is higher.
5553) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 62657)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.3 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.2 -> 7.6.3

  • MGR: When an account manager is selected, populate the account manager name field if it is available.
  • MGR: menu tweak.
  • MGR: show total credit as integer. Code cleanup.
  • Mac installer: Add change Charlie inadvertently omitted from his commit 6a85e37: Require OS 10.6 or later for BOINC 7.5.
  • MGR: Fix Mac-only bug since BOINC 7.3.0 which prevented showing exit confirmation dialog when selecting quit from menubar icon menu (task bar menu.) This bug was introduced when task bar icon handling was changed for wxWidgets 3.0.
  • LOCALE: Update with latest menu changes.
  • MGR: string tweak. Translatable strings shouldn't have spaces at the end. This is one case - should fix all of them.
  • MGR: string tweak.
  • LOCALE: Update template based on latest change.
  • client: fix bug when app version uses > 1 GPU instance.

    Note: the code wasn't written with multi-GPU apps in mind. There may be other bugs with multi-GPU apps.
  • client: add slot_debug log msg for file setup.
  • WINBUILD: Update Progress Thru Processors installer for 7.6 (Using stock client software instead of fully customized software).
  • client: fix error in checking unlink() return value.
  • client: fix bug where project boolean attributes are stuck at true.
    • Projects had some boolean attributes (verify_files_on_app_start, ended, non_cpu_intensive) that are send in scheduler replies and thereafter stored in the client state file. If a project stopped sending one of these attributes, it would never get cleared.
    • Solution: treat the absence of the flag in the scheduler reply as meaning false.
  • client: fix bug that caused delay in job cleanup.
    • If a job has an output file with <copy_file> and <optional>, and it doesn't create the file, then the call to boinc_rename() (to move it to the project dir) fails, and we back off and retry.
    • Solution: in boinc_rename(), if the rename fails, check if the file exists, and if it doesn't then don't retry.
    • Also:
    - when writing client messages, use the actual current time (dtime()) rather than client_state.now.
    - write log msgs when output file renames fail.
  • WINBUILD: Update the custom action table for the Progress Thru Processors installer.
  • client: allow initial scheduler request to request N instances.
    • David made a change on 27 Feb 2009 that set the initial request to 0 instances. He's not sure what the rationale was - the checkin note didn't say.
  • client, GUI RPC: maintain and report progress rate.
    • "Progress rate" is that average increase in fraction done per second of elapsed time.
    • Also remove unnecessary destructors in GUI RPC code.
  • LOCALE: Update compiled localization files.




Available installers:

Windows 7.6.3
- boinc_7.6.3_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.3_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.6.3
- boinc_7.6.3_x86_64-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.6.3_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.6.3_macOSX_x86_64.zip

5554) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error (Message 62656)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/show_user.php?userid=81109
taskID http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/result.php?resultid=504231187 shows process exited with code 193 (0xc1, -63)
Crashed executable name: einstein_S6BucketFU2UB_1.01_x86_64-apple-darwin__X64
Machine type Intel 80486 (64-bit executable)
System version: Macintosh OS 10.6.8 build 10K549
Sun Jun 21 04:09:14 2015

That's something you can post at the Help Desk sections of their forum, where you can post without needing credit or RAC.

http://csgrid.org/csg/show_user.php?userid=94101
Does indeed exit with process got signal 11, something you should be able to ask about in their forums.

http://climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/show_user.php?userid=98031
The erroneous models crashed with process exited with code 9 (0x9, -247), but then you also managed to bring a couple of them home and to fruition. One possible bottleneck as always on CPDN is that your computer has only got 4GB of memory, in which it has to store the OS, CPDN and anything else running at the time. CPDN is memory hungry.

http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/show_user.php?userid=31713
No problems with 15e Lattice Sieve v1.10 and signal 11 again with 16e Lattice Sieve V5 v1.11 is something you will have to ask at their forums. Although, apparently they already know about it for an older app.

http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/show_user.php?userid=10911
process got signal 5, that one I don't know. dyld: unknown required load command 0x80000022, you might want to report that at their forums.

But doesn't everyone run POEM on a GPU these days? Perhaps that they don't test CPU apps that strongly.

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_user.php?userid=2041
Same error as at POEM, process got signal 5, something you'll have to ask at the Rosetta forums.

http://boinc.umiacs.umd.edu/show_user.php?userid=3381
And also signal 5.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=8098294
Great, not one error in sight. But then, one cannot easily compare the load on the CPU and memory that's done by Seti to that of any of the other projects you tried. The nearest is Einstein, and then can only be compared because both do things in space and with the Arecibo dish, but then comparisons quickly evaporate.

And as shown, it's not always signal 11.
Checking the man page for signal 5, I see that it is thrown on a Trace/Breakpoint Trap, so deliberately added by the application's programmer. He should know why his app throws the error, and thus you should ask at their forums.
Signal 11 is a segmentation error, or an Invalid memory reference. Can be caused by problematic memory, or an application addressing a wrong part of the memory.
5555) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error (Message 62650)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cheers for the info, though I'd still need any credit to post on a totally new (to me) project's page.

Not on the Questions and Answers forum, these forums are specifically added without the requirement to have credit or RAC so you can post when you have problems from the start. Just to prove this, see this user Recliner posting message nr 1273 with zero credit and zero RAC.

The main NF forums require credit and a RAC higher than 1, which makes sure that spammers can't post their crap there.

this has happened with a bunch of projects

Which ones?
.. so a bunch of them are obviously mis-compiling their apps for older versions of OS X.

Not so obvious. It can be lots of other things. But without you telling us about the projects that have the problems, that's difficult to figure out. Thus far you only said you do not have problems with Seti and WCG.
5556) Message boards : Questions and problems : Elapsed time running slowly (Message 62648)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't fully use the percentage of CPU it's allowed to.

No, and from the beginning it hasn't done so. When using the CPU time value, the percentage you set tells BOINC to suspend for so many seconds and run for the other on a basis of ten seconds.

So 40% will have BOINC allow the science application to run for 4 seconds every 10 seconds, and pause it the other 6 seconds. It will not run science applications at a sustained 40% load only.
5557) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62646)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No no no no no no no no, if I didn't see it, it didn't happen. :)
5558) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error (Message 62644)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The computation error is something that the science application does.
The contents of the stderr.txt as shown in the TaskID is something that the science application exits with.

So I searched at Numberfields forums for signal 11 and immediately got this thread dated yesterday, in which Eric Driver, admin of Numberfields writes:
Looking through recent Mac results I found several other Mac users having the same problem, but the majority were fine. The ones getting the signal 11 all had Darwin OS version 11.4.2 or earlier. Also, all the good results were from Darwin version 12.6.0 or higher.
and
My guess is that it's related to the version of the build tools and/or OS used to build the apps. Since I don't have a mac, I use a virtual machine, so I am kind of stuck with the OS version that came with it (Mountain Lion). Again, I'm not that familiar with the Mac OS, but it appears that any OS predating Mountain Lion (12.0.0) may have problems running NumberFields@home.

So in this case at Numberfields it would appear to be a problem with your operating system versus their science applications being incompatible.

Edit: I've asked Eric to make a news item out of it, which he has done.

Apropos, for those trying to post on forums without having credit or RAC, even the Numberfields project has a Questions and Answers forum where you can post without requiring a RAC higher than 1 and at least N credit. Most projects do.
5559) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62643)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
???? The site is up for me. As is the scheduler:

22/06/2015 16:42:36 | SETI@home | update requested by user
22/06/2015 16:42:39 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
22/06/2015 16:42:41 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed
22/06/2015 16:42:41 | SETI@home | Project requested delay of 303 seconds
22/06/2015 16:42:41 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:05:03
5560) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error (Message 62635)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't do any calculations, doesn't load your memory to capacity, it is merely managing things. Its memory use is minor. To blame it and not (memtest) look elsewhere only because you feel it cannot be true, is just idly wishing
 
Project science applications running under BOINC stress your hardware in ways that the other software on your system, including games, have never done before. Your wingmen (the others running the same work as you) manage to finish the work without errors, so what, their BOINC is better?
5561) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error (Message 62633)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your list with tasks for your computer, http://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields/results.php?hostid=23920, click on the Task ID for details of what the tasks sent back. In your case, signal 11, or translated a segmentation error pointing to a problem with your memory, virtual memory (page file) or that it's a bad batch of tasks.

However, if you're the only one returning these as an error and consistently over two or more projects, you best go look into a problem with the RAM or page file on that computer.
5562) Message boards : Questions and problems : Elapsed time running slowly (Message 62631)
Posted 21 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:00:16 CEST | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:03:57 CEST | | Resuming computation
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:14:01 CEST | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:14:21 CEST | | Resuming computation
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:16:53 CEST | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:17:03 CEST | | Resuming computation
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:17:13 CEST | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:17:23 CEST | | Resuming computation
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:17:53 CEST | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:18:03 CEST | | Resuming computation
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:18:13 CEST | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
Ne 21. jún 2015, 19:18:23 CEST | | Resuming computation
[/code]

How about turning that off?
In local preferences set While processor usage is less than X percent to 100.
5563) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Postponed: Waiting to acquire lock"? (Message 62623)
Posted 21 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the source code:
// if we can't acquire the lock file there must be
// another app instance running in this slot.
// If we exit(0), the client will keep restarting us.
// Instead, tell the client not to restart us for 10 min.

Which means that a previous science application is still in the slot directory that these science applications want to start in, thus they're waiting for the previous application to vacate that slot directory.
5564) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62609)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, I guess you're fired then on buying the next booze package. Back it goes to Chris, at least then I know there's real booze coming in to keep y'all quiet and calm.

Seen what XXX does to speedman? He now wants a Seti logo here. Sigh.
5565) Message boards : Questions and problems : Possible bug in "use at most xxx% CPU Time" - 0 does NOT mean no restriction (Message 62608)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
** @Devs, they may want to take note that with 7.6.1, entering 0 in the % CPU time field and saving, upon recall shows 99% as entry. The global_prefs_override file shows though <cpu_usage_limit>100.000000</cpu_usage_limit>

Best update to 7.6.2 then as that's the latest beta.

- I filled in 0 in % of CPUs and got as answer: 16/06/2015 22:36:02 | | Number of usable CPUs has changed from 3 to 4. Which is correct.
- Filling in 0 in % of CPU time shows 100% when returning to the menu. global_prefs_override.xml shows for me &lt;cpu_usage_limit>0.00000000&lt;/cpu_usage_limit>

'0 means no restriction' has been done away with in 7.6.2 and is thus no longer in use.
5566) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62596)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, I never said you weren't first. The message number shows you posted milliseconds before me, as you had 74, I had 75. Empirical knowledge, my dear Watson.

And I never beat anyone. Kick yes, hit upon yes. :)
Jord beat me....
5567) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62592)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
SQUIRREL!

Someone forgot to give you your medicines again, Miss Marple?
There there, calm down dear. Let's get you a nice cup of tea, what?
5568) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62576)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Message 62574 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 17:09:02 UTC
Message 62575 - Posted: 16 Jun 2015, 17:09:02 UTC

Shear impossible to repeat that, even for a timelord.
5569) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62575)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And down it went.
5570) Message boards : Questions and problems : Permanent HTTP error (Message 62568)
Posted 15 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there another solution to avoid proxys policies?

Ask permission from the owner of the computer: your boss. That's the only way to negotiate company proxies.

What is AV logs ?

Anti Virus logs.
5571) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Instal of BOINC - what were my old account details (Message 62510)
Posted 10 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I searched through my emails and can find not one email from Boinc over the past 5 years! There are a few from SETI, but they contain no identification that was unique to me.

You don't get any emails from BOINC. BOINC is merely the managing program, you add projects to it and you'll get the emails from those projects.

So my problem is: How can I find out my old Boinc account details, so that I can use them on my new PC? Is there a Boinc email address that such questions can be sent to? I have looked around for the answer to this question, but can't find one. Hence my query here.

Unless you had an account on these forums, there is no BOINC account. So no need to look around for that. Any questions about BOINC can be asked on these forums.

The way that you register at the projects is through an email address and a password (*). The email address is the unique identifier, with it you should always be able to log in to the project's web page. So as long as you use a real existing email address, you can use it to add projects back to BOINC.

What you need to remember though is the password you set. When using the 'I forgot my password' sequence from the project, you won't be sent your password but instead be sent a temporary - 24 hour - login link which you can use to log into the project with, and change your password to something you can remember, then use that combination of that email address and the new password to add the project.

(*) The email and password identification is true for all projects but for those under World Community Grid. There it's a combination of user name and password.
5572) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac Interface issue (Message 62509)
Posted 10 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Charlie:
I tested this very thoroughly (including under Darwin 12.6.0) and could not reproduce the problem he reports. However, I did find a related bug. When we modified the task bar icon logic for the upgrade to wxWidgets 3.0 (BOINC 7.3.0), that introduced a bug which caused the Exit Confirmation Dialog to _not_ be shown at all (i.e., skipped) on the Mac when the user selects Quit from the menubar icon menu (taskbar menu), though it works correctly when Quit is selected from the Dock icon menu or from the regular menus.

I wonder if he is misinterpreting the fact that this dialog is not shown at all so that he thinks the dialog is hidden behind another window. But when I select Quit from the menubar icon menu, BOINC exits immediately, so it is unclear what is causing the problem he is seeing.

This bug (failure to exists through BOINC 7.6.2, but I checked in a change tonight to trunk and to the 7.6 branch so it will be fixed in 7.6.3.

Cheers,
--Charlie
5573) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62496)
Posted 9 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
edit:
$15,000 CDN, about $34.50 USD!

Did deflation hit hard in the USA?
According to my currency converter, 15,000 CAD is 11,048 euro. For that to be just $34.50 in the US, means one US dollar is worth 434 CAD and 320 euro. So for 3 dollar you buy 1 ounce of gold. Yikes!
5574) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62494)
Posted 9 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I hate meds!

Can relate. So after years of using puffers against my bronchitis, using antihistamine for every itching period, and using a variety of medicines during the year, I decided this year to see how far I can go without them.

I can also no longer afford my €375.- 'own risk' that ill people have to pay here in The Netherlands before their insurance starts paying for stuff. It took me till April of this year to pay off the risk of last year.

This own risk is per person and is something you have to pay despite having a mandatory expensive subscription on one of the insurances around here. Paying a minimum of €256.- per month for the health insurance only, which then doesn't cover any expenses you make as you have to pay the first 375 yourself is something I can't put up for anymore. Of course, these own risks go up every year as well, starting at 155 in 2009, now already 375 and the government is thinking of upping it to 750 or more, because those stupid sick people are costing too much. They chose to be sick so they can pay for it, can't they?
5575) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62479)
Posted 9 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, that's one lost post. I cannot even go back with the back-button, I always get as answer that the project is down. Oh well.
5576) Message boards : Android : BOINC via F-Droid repo / without GAPPS possible? (Message 62469)
Posted 7 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php detects the operating system you're on and if compatible will offer the correct version of BOINC.

Otherwise you can download it from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
5577) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't install TThrotle. (Message 62467)
Posted 7 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
TThrottle is made by Fred from eFMer, which has nothing to do with BOINC. Best ask and report about this on his own forums: http://efmer.com/forum/
5578) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU starts up while computer is in use (Message 62458)
Posted 6 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
'Full-screen' should cover both films and gaming

Plenty of games that don't run in full-screen. I have a couple that run in windowed full-screen mode. It looks like full-screen but is in a window that leaves a one or two pixel wide area free around the whole screen. This uses less of the GPU than true full-screen does and is therefore quite liked by gamers and developers alike, because it allows for more fluently gaming at the higher resolutions.
5579) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU starts up while computer is in use (Message 62454)
Posted 6 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
A) I am not a developer, just a volunteer as everyone else.
B) I am not in America, instead I am in The Netherlands, and it's the middle of the night here (04:04am). You're kind of lucky I am still up, but I will be to bed in a couple of minutes.
C) I suppose what you could do is sign up to Github and in the BOINC section make a new issue, requesting that the developers add it, and include the script in the request.
D) You're the only person thus far who has complained about it and who makes it difficult working out a solution other than just having your way by having your script added.
E) BOINC has been in development since 2002 and in general use since 2004. I think that the 217,694 active volunteers group shows that what you feel is a problem isn't one and that they haven't had any problems adopting BOINC as it is.
5580) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU starts up while computer is in use (Message 62451)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with that is that not everyone has got a monitor attached to the system they run BOINC on, nothing said about the myriad of problems it may give when running BOINC in a virtual machine.

So that's why the developers added the exclusive application option, which you can set for all of BOINC to suspend (&lt;exclusive_app&gt;) or only suspend the GPU but leave CPU tasks running (&lt;exclusive_gpu_app&gt;).

In BOINC up to 7.4.42, you can set the CPU applications through Tools->Computing preferences->exclusive application. If you want to use the GPU option here, you have to hand-edit the cc_config.xml file to add the correct lines.

In the upcoming BOINC 7.6, the exclusive application window also has the option to set GPU exclusions through the GUI.

An example of a cc_config.xml file with application exclusions:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<exclusive_app>notepad.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>winamp.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>NFS.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>eso.exe<exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>

In the above example, BOINC will completely suspend all work when it detects Notepad and Winamp in memory. It won't continue calculations until these programs have left the memory.
It will suspend calculations done on the GPU when it finds a Need for Speed executable, or the Elder Scrolls Online executable in memory; CPU calculations are allowed to continue.

From my own log:
05/06/2015 21:22:03 | | Suspending computation - an exclusive app is running
05/06/2015 21:22:03 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting 09oc12ac.9408.9883.438086664204.12.1_0 (removed from memory)
06/06/2015 00:56:36 | | Resuming computation
06/06/2015 00:56:36 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 09oc12ac.9408.9883.438086664204.12.1_0 from start
06/06/2015 00:56:36 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Restarting task 09oc12ac.9408.9883.438086664204.12.1_0 using setiathome_v7 version 703 (opencl_ati5_cat132) in slot 0


Multiple lines are allowed. One line per program. No need for the complete path to the program you want to exclude. BOINC scans the memory every 10 seconds for the exclusions, so if one is in memory within 10 seconds BOINC will suspend.
5581) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removing old notices - is it possible ? (Message 62444)
Posted 4 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Notices stay alive for 30 days, after that they're deleted automatically.
You can stop the bubble notifying you of new notifications by opening BOINC Manager, Tools, Options, slide the "Reminder" slider to Never, OK. That way the only times you will see 'new' notices is when you start BOINC Manager and it shows on the Notices tab in Advanced view that there are 'new' or 'unread' notices.
5582) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 62441)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.2 available for testing for Macintosh.

Macintosh 7.6.2
- boinc_7.6.2_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.6.2_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.6.2_i686-apple-darwin.zip
5583) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stop Bitcoin Utopia -> supported by the National Science Foundation? (Message 62423)
Posted 1 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The biggest thing to remember is that you, the user, has more of a say in this than the developers do. You can decide to try to get as many people behind you to either get that project to change their credit rates, or to completely boycott the project. Boycotting projects (over credits) has been done before and found to be a pretty good method of telling the project they're doing something wrong: when no-one runs their data anymore, they'll feel that immediately.

You have the freedom to gather as many people behind you on these forums. Just as long as you stay civil towards the project, its people, the BOINC developers and people who think differently, there shouldn't be too much in your way.
5584) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Ubuntu] Change location disk usage (SSD/HDD) (Message 62419)
Posted 1 Jun 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
With the LocutusofBorg build [my recommendation to use], the cc_config is symlinked from the data_dir to /etc/boinc-client/cc_config.xml [as are several more 'user' config files incl. gui_rpc_auth.cfg]. So when moving the directory, it would still be looking at the correct cc_config with <data_dir>.

Which would be fine for Linux, but impossible to work with in Windows. Here the path to the data directory is set in the registry, which is the first place BOINC will look in for all its files, including the cc_config.xml file. When the path to this data directory is changed in this same cc_config.xml file, and the whole of the data directory including this cc_config.xml file lives in the path set in the cc_config.xml file, how then will BOINC under Windows ever find it in the first place? (Yes, re-read that 4 times to find what I said :))

By the way, anyone tried if the --path tag on the BOINC binary went the same way?
5585) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Ubuntu] Change location disk usage (SSD/HDD) (Message 62411)
Posted 31 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Preliminary Change Log 7.4.23 -> 7.4.24
client: remove <data_dir> option from cc_config.xml
This leads to confusion; e.g. if you do "read config files" it will look for cc_config.xml in the new directory, not find it, and set default options. Also, log files end up in old directory. Also, gui_rpc_auth.cfg will be in new directory, and the Manager won't look there. Source
5586) Message boards : BOINC Manager : PC freeze! (Message 62408)
Posted 31 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC has nothing to do with the science applications running under it. Any errors or problems you find you have with these science projects is best asked and reported at the project who the science applications are from.
5587) Message boards : Android : Is "edu.berkeley.boinc:remote" process really useful? (Message 62402)
Posted 30 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you mean "Power sources for computation" option on Android
Yes those.
...or some global BOINC options which are controlled from the projects?
BOINC on Android doesn't use the web-based computing preferences, only the local preferences.
5588) Message boards : Questions and problems : Snooze Bug? (Message 62393)
Posted 30 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for the executables, Gary.


Both vina_1.2_windows_intelx86.exe and vina_1.2_windows_x86_64.exe are built with API_VERSION_7.5.0
5589) Message boards : Android : Is "edu.berkeley.boinc:remote" process really useful? (Message 62391)
Posted 30 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you changed your preferences to run always, then that's why.
If you didn't, then in the case of this process it's not BOINC, instead it's the Android process called android:process=":remote" that runs. And as far as I know it'll run always.

I looked on the internet if there's a way to stop the process, but there isn't.
The developers can't do without it either, as then BOINC only runs one thread always, instead of however many threads it can run on the CPU (and next GPU).

Here's what I also found on my searches:
In Android, there's an important distinction between a running service and a running process.

A service follows a carefully defined lifecycle; it begins when onStartCommand() is called and ends after onDestroy() is finished. During that lifetime, the service can be performing tasks or sitting idle, but it is still running.

A process can extend beyond the life of a service. As you've seen, the process can keep running for some time after your service has stopped. Don't worry about it. Android will destroy the process and reclaim any resources exactly when it needs to. It's definitely confusing at first, but once your service has stopped, you don't need to care about the process it was in.

Bottom line: if onDestroy has been called, your service has stopped. Don't worry about the leftover process.
5590) Message boards : Android : Is "edu.berkeley.boinc:remote" process really useful? (Message 62387)
Posted 30 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's an Android process that allows one service to run with multiple processes. If this weren't used, a multi-core CPU in an android device would always run one process only.
5591) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screensaver in Windows 8 (Message 62371)
Posted 29 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I am not mistaken, the screen saver of World Community Grid BOINC is called World Community Grid.
5592) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1706. No valid source could be found for product BOINC. (Message 62364)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's Windows that forgets where it left the uninstaller of the previous version. It has nothing to do with the installer, or with BOINC.

Here's what happens:
The new BOINC installer invokes the uninstaller of the previous version.

This uninstaller wants to find the BOINC.msi file that it used to install the previous version with, but some corruption in the registry prevents it to find the correct version. Then you get that error message.

A simple search won't do it either, because the uninstaller doesn't clean up after itself, so when you do a search on your system, you'll find you'll have a lot of BOINC.msi files in C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\

You try to find which one was used by the previous installer, it's impossible, which is the problem that the uninstaller has as well.

Why Windows forgets and why it happens a lot of some people's computers and never on others is also something we cannot say. For example, over the past 5 years of intensive testing I have gathered 163 (!!) BOINC.msi files on my computer, I haven't had an error for the uninstaller in a long time.
5593) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is really Boinc run in idle priority? I think it is not. (Message 62362)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can confirm that one or more of the gpu projects slows my whole computer down

The default setting for use of the GPU is only when the computer is not in use by a person (idle). This was done with the thought in mind that the GPU will slow down a system when calculations are done on that GPU.


Especially when you're gaming, the game and the calculations will both fight for the same hardware to use, which will slow both down. So either set BOINC back on only use GPU when computer is idle, or use the exclusive applications options (&lt;exclusive_app&gt; and &lt;exclusive_gpu_app&gt;) in a cc_config.xml file to stop BOINC from allowing calculations to be done when it detects that a certain application is in memory.

e.g.
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<exclusive_app>Notepad.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>winamp.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>GTAV.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>NFS.exe<exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>

Multiple applications can be excluded, each on their own line.
Full path to where the application lives isn't needed.
The &lt;exclusive_app&gt; option will suspend the whole of BOINC (CPU and GPU).
The &lt;exclusive_gpu_app&gt; option will only suspend the GPU, but allow CPU tasks to continue.
5594) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is really Boinc run in idle priority? I think it is not. (Message 62357)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need to apologize, thanks for the correction.
5595) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 62353)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.2 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.6.1 -> 7.6.2

  • WINBUILD: Fix code signing settings.
  • MGR: Remove wxWidgets 2.8 language code conversion functionality. We have been using wxWidgets 3.x for over two years now.
  • Revert "WINBUILD: Update CRT reference to VS 2013."



Available installers:

Windows 7.6.2
- boinc_7.6.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.2_windows_x86_64.exe

5596) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62333)
Posted 26 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I, long ago, quit apologizing.

It's not about apologizing, it's about posting in the right place.

I am what I am.
You either listen to me, ban me, or filter me.
It matters little on this end.

When these are the Mark Sattler forums, you may be right, but until that time, play nice as there are others who want to make use of this thread/these forums as well, and they really need not go to any extra length to miss your posts just because you refuse to behave yourself amidst others.

What matters to me is this...............
Comments from real people who understand that MY views on the world are as valid as theirs.
And are willing to listen, if not accept, them for what they are.

They may be valid, but have little to no place in this thread.

Why can't you post your Youtube videos in the Youtube thread, music in the music thread, politics in the politics thread?
Why do you require to use the Seti Down thread? If not because that way you get to break about all the rules?
What makes you different that I should allow that, each and every time that Seti goes down, or you get banished there?
Do you see anyone else post that way?

I make this my last warning, will go eat dinner in a bit. Hopefully by the time I come back I have either coherent answers without threats, not a thread filled with more Youtube stuff and my email full of pleads to kick you for 2 to 4 weeks.
5597) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62330)
Posted 26 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I really do not have the time to hold your hand today, Mark. So if I find any more intrusions, I'm going to make everyone else posting in this thread a moderator...
5598) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62326)
Posted 26 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doing reasonable. I just slept an hour, after having slept only two last night due to phone-watch and complications and walking around all day like a zombie. Since I was starting to see things, I thought it better to crash for an hour. Deepest sleep I had in ages, my alarm had difficulty waking me.

So still to do: masses.
But already done: also masses.
Maybe this weekend that I have some time to make a wiki for BOINC 7.6, so it can be released.
5599) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 62325)
Posted 26 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.6.1 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David or Rom separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.5.0 -> 7.6.1

  • MGR: menu item shuffle.
    • Advanced view: move Event Log to Tools.
    • Simple view: add Tools menu, and put Event Log and Add Project there.
  • MGR: Don't allow user to enter start time = end time for time-of-day or day-of-week preferences.
  • LIB: Ignore time-of-day or day-of-week settings (i.e., don't set "present" flag) if start time = end time.
  • Mac: Correction to build instructions for trunk (BOINC 7.5.0 and later): wxWidgets can be built under Xcode 6 by using our provided build script.
  • Mac installer: add comment on problem with BOINC+VBox installer.
  • MGR: Fix a crash bug if connection to client is lost in Simple View.
  • MGR: If not connected to client, disable menu items which require a connection.
  • MGR: If not connected to client, disable snooze menu items in task bar icon menu.
  • MGR: Don't show Advanced or Simple Preferences dialogs if RPCs fail. This fixes an unlikely case where the client connection has just been lost but the menus have not yet been disabled.
  • Mac: update build scripts and instructions for trunk.
  • Mac: add a hint about entering file pr folder paths in the Terminal application.
  • Mac: tweaks to build instructions for trunk.
  • MGR: Add 6 new tags to allow the backgrounds of the Simple View and Simple Preferences dialog to be anchored at any of 9 points, for flexibility in placement of the logo or other graphic element that should always be visible.
    • Vertical anchor is one of: <anchor_vertical_top>, <anchor_vertical_center> or <anchor_vertical_bottom>.
    • Horizontal anchor is one of: <anchor_horizontal_left>, <anchor_horizontal_center>, <anchor_horizontal_right>.
    If none of the tags are present, these default values are used:
    • The defaults for the main Simple View background are <anchor_vertical_top> and <anchor_horizontal_left>.
    • The defaults for the Simple View Preferences dialog background are <anchor_vertical_center> and <anchor_horizontal_center>.
  • client: bug fixes to sorting projects alphabetically.

    There were two problems:
    1) we were sorting before parsing the client state file (which is where we get project names from).
    2) the Win implementation of strcasecmp() wasn't right; it returned difference but not order.
  • Project list changes.
  • client: include client brand (if any) in HTTP user agent string.
  • client: fix bugs in accounting of elapsed time_stats_log, e.g. if you <dont_suspend_nci/> set, and you suspend CPU, NCI tasks continue to run but their elapsed time wouldn't increase.
  • client: Win 10 OS identification additions, from Robert Kreß.
  • client: Fix formatting issues.
  • client: guard against divide by zero.
  • LIB: revert incorrect modification from commit 0773510
  • client: set minimum cpu_usage_limit to a value which Advanced Prefs dialog will report as (i.e., truncate to) 0.
  • Mac: update build instructions, incorporating feedback from testers.
  • Mac: tweaks to build instructions.
  • client: More Windows SKU updates from Robert Kreß.
  • client: Win build fix.
  • MGR: Remove welcome page from wizard and split the attach wizard into two menu items.
  • MGR: Remove WelcomePage.cpp from build system. (From: Benji Wiebe)
  • Fixed error message in boinccmd.
  • MGR: Bug fixes for previous wizard changes.
  • MGR: Remove non-UTF8 character that was causing problems for the string extraction tool.
  • MGR: Remove files WelcomePage.cpp, WelcomePage.h from Xcode project.
  • MGR: Fix some crash bugs in the code to hide or rearrange columns which can occur when changing locale to a different language.
  • CURL: Update root authority CAs.
  • MGR: Remove comment blocks that were being included in the translation template.
  • MGR: Prevent the 'back' button from being enabled on the project and account manager info pages.
  • MGR: Fix a bug in setting column order which Charlie introduced in his previous 2 commits.
  • client: add log msgs for failed file deletion.
  • client: detect errors in directory enumeration.
    Previously, the dir_scan() function didn't distinguish between
    • reaching the end of the directory.
    • errors.
    It just returned nonzero in either case. This means that the function that cleans out a slot dir (client_clean_out_dir()) could potentially return success even though the directory is nonempty. This could potentially cause the recently-reported problem where a slot dir contains a VM image from a previous job.
  • client: finish previous commit.
  • client: fix botched commit from just now.
  • MGR: Fix compiler warning which was introduced by a previous commit.
  • WINBUILD: Add Visual Studio 2013 project files.
  • WINBUILD: Update dependency paths for VS 2013 projects to point towards 2013 dependencies.
  • WINBUILD: Cleanup work to support VS 2013 builds
  • client: fix bug when delete > 4GB file.
    The function to delete a slot dir file (delete_project_owned_file()) called boinc_file_or_symlink_exists(), and returning success (with no message) if this return false.
    boinc_file_or_symlink_exists() incorrectly returned false for > 4GB file on Win, because it used stat(), which handles only 32 bit file size.

    Fix: remove the call to boinc_file_or_symlink_exists(); instead, always call DeleteFile(), and check for the ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND status. David will fix the stat() problem later.
  • client, Win: use _stat64() instead of _stat(); _stat() returns error for > 4GB files.
  • WINBUILD: Remove the restriction that prevented BOINC from installing on domain controllers.
    TODO: Block service install in the advanced settings dialog.
  • client: get sizes of anonymous platform files on startup... because if we don't, the client won't use asynch operations for large files, which causes heartbeat failures and unresponsiveness.
  • WINBUILD: For projects that depend on a library, make sure that they point to the VS 2013 project. (From: Christian Beer)
  • WINBUILD: Fix building debug builds for vboxwrapper on VS 2013.
  • WINBUILD: When building with VS 2013, use the XP compatible toolchain.
  • WINBUILD: Last commit missed a file.
  • WINBUILD: Oops, wrong change with the last commit.
  • WINBUILD: Remove code-signing requirement for building BOINC installers on Windows.
  • WINBUILD: Update CRT reference to VS 2013.



Available installers:

Windows 7.6.1
- boinc_7.6.1_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.6.1_windows_x86_64.exe

5600) Message boards : BOINC client : Not requesting tasks: some task is suspended via Manager (Message 62306)
Posted 24 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So BOINC refuses to get ANY new task from a project when one (!) of its is paused? This seems awkward to me. Is there a deeper reason behind this? I mean, a user should be able to decide which tasks he runs at the moment and which should be paused. The project doesn't really loose something if some tasks get held to long - it just gets dismissed and resent to another user.

There is a similar automated stop-gap, where when you have tasks uploading to a project and these number the amount of your CPUs plus one, then BOINC stops asking for work, because there is really no reason to request more work when you can't upload and report it anyway. For all BOINC knows, the project is gone forever, having to restart.

So, similar with a task manually suspended by the user. This task still counts towards your cache, it has a deadline that needs to be met. As else you could download work, suspend it all, download more work, suspend that all, download more work etc. etc. and in the end have a couple of thousand tasks, unable to run most of it without going over the deadline, all under the guise of they get dismissed and resent to another user anyway.

BOINC doesn't know when you're going to resume the task. So until all tasks are able to run and will meet their deadlines, no new work is downloaded.
5601) Message boards : Questions and problems : Malware Alert from Avast AV Software on Win 8.1 (Message 62305)
Posted 24 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
He posted it at Seti@Home - Windows Help.
5602) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is really Boinc run in idle priority? I think it is not. (Message 62286)
Posted 23 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC program itself runs in Normal priority.
The VirtualBox program itself runs in Normal priority.

Project science applications for the CPU only run in Low priority.
Project science applications for the GPU, (undefined) coprocessor and for VirtualBox run in Below-Normal priority because when these are run at low priority, anything else running at the same time will take away cycles and cause these tasks to unload from memory. GPU, coprocessor and VBox tasks do not remain in memory when BOINC pauses with the Leave in memory preference setting.

All these priority settings have always been set like this, bar the GPU, VBox and coprocessor applications their priority. These have changed priority over the past years/months.

Upgrading BOINC from 6 to 7 does not change the priority of science programs. The priority settings of these programs are set by the project, not by BOINC.

As Sekerob says, use the &lt;exclusive_app&gt; and &lt;exclusive_gpu_app&gt; options in cc_config.xml to automatically suspend all of BOINC and the science applications (when run based on preferences) when any program mentioned in these exclusions is found in memory. BOINC will resume work once this program unloads from memory.

Example of such a cc_config.xml file:
<cc_config>
<options>
<exclusive_app>Notepad.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>Pipes.scr</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>Bingo.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>

The exclusive GPU app option will only suspend work done on the GPU, but allow work done on the CPU (if any) to continue.
5603) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62211)
Posted 17 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, maybe that this server stays in the air.

ICT Services wrote:
Sunday, May 17, 2015 – 9:30am – All applications and systems are now ready for migration work to commence. Work on network configuration will start at 10:00 AM.

UPDATE: Sunday, May 17, 2015 – 10:00am – Migration work is underway.
5604) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62210)
Posted 17 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Someone make a screen shot of the unique situation: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
5605) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62191)
Posted 16 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For once the text on the one day banishment I just sent Mark on:
I am not in the mood to hold your hand again while you drunkenly stumble across your world trying to make sense. Off you go for another 24 hour soberness hiatus. I will leave your crap in the thread so you can see tomorrow what an ass you make of yourself. Find help. Quick.
5606) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Application Manager Issues (Message 62179)
Posted 15 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
One of our systems had one as well, found out because of a lot of programs no longer wanting to work. It required the online Eset scanner to work through the night to fix that, as all other AV scanners and Malwarebytes said there was nothing wrong.

I was thinking to say something about that when I answered, but just because we have a similar sounding problem it couldn't possibly be you had it as well... :)
5607) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62178)
Posted 15 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, let me mark the line in the sand. You know there are threads for the music and (so-called) political things. Best use those.

Now then, who put that sand on the floor of the Cafe?
5608) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Application Manager Issues (Message 62161)
Posted 14 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You use BOINC Manager to easily control the underlying client which does all of the work (caching, contacts with projects, all of those messages) so it wasn't really necessary to show the event log.

In any case, navigate to %APPDATA%/BOINC (fill that in in Windows Excplorer) and open stderrgui.txt that's there. Anything of use in it? Anything in stdoutgui.txt?
Also check Windows Event Viewer (Start->type event viewer in the search, click the appropriate program to start it), Windows Logs->Application.
5609) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62159)
Posted 13 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
...if this board isn't down also.

Since the BOINC server lives in the same co-location as the Seti servers, it'll also be off line.
5610) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 62157)
Posted 13 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti pre-outage warning:
On Sunday, May 17th campus is upgrading the network infrastructure at the facility hosting our servers. We will bringing the projects down for about 6-8 hours (starting at 8am, Pacific Time) to avoid complications during the upgrade.

Source.

This will affect the BOINC domain as well, since its server is in the same co-location facility as the Seti servers.
5611) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Manager crashing on Kubuntu and Dell PowerEdge 2550 (Message 62152)
Posted 13 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can control the BOINC binary directly from the command line, or by using the BOINCCMD tool, which is essentially what BOINC Manager is without a GUI.

Command line options on the BOINC binary
BOINCCMD Tool commands
5612) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62151)
Posted 13 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not funny Jord.

Spammers are anything but funny.
5613) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62146)
Posted 12 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well in that case we will need to instruct the guard at the door ...

We have a door again? News to me.

Yes, the sign over it says spammers enter here ....

That's the door to the incinerator. The curtain that was over it kept getting ablaze. Even the asbestos one. We try to keep y'all warm.
5614) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62143)
Posted 12 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well in that case we will need to instruct the guard at the door ...

We have a door again? News to me.
5615) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 62142)
Posted 12 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Volunteer supplied posts about project outages will continue to appear here. Please keep it on topic, post as much about the project outage itself or return of the project only. Want to have an in-depth discussion? There's a whole forum outside this thread that you can start a new thread in.
5616) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 62130)
Posted 12 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is the special of the day at the SETI CAFE?

5617) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 62123)
Posted 12 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you have to post in this thread with your signature on, despite me requesting in the first post that everyone doesn't? I'll be forking this thread later on to a new one, but I'll leave it to you Thomas if we do away with the rule or not, because you've been posting in this thread the most with your signature on.

And it's so easy to remove it.
5618) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading on headless Ubuntu 14.04 x64 (Message 62122)
Posted 12 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your task list shows you have work. What does BOINC say?

Depending on BOINC version.
For BOINC 6:
boinccmd --get_results

For BOINC 7:
boinccmd --get_tasks
5619) Message boards : Questions and problems : Firewalls: Just what does BOINC want to talk to me? (Message 62110)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, WHAT does BOINC want (and why? I thought that work was sent to my machine as a file, machine performed tasks needed and uploaded the results. This should NOT require pinging, and all sorts of other system rights to access)

BOINC its parts talk to each other via remote procedure call, on localhost (127.0.0.1) only. They do this to be able to show in real time in BOINC Manager (the GUI) what the client is doing. To do so, you have to allow the BOINC binary (boinc.exe) and the BOINC Manager binary (boincmgr.exe) through your firewall on TCP port 31416.
To be able to contact the projects, the BOINC binary needs separate permission to access TCP ports 80 (HTTP) and 443 (HTTPS).

No other ports or addresses are needed.
5620) Message boards : GPUs : "No usable GPUs found" (Message 62094)
Posted 9 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For BOINC to be able to find the GPU, the GPU needs to be able to do CUDA in the case of an Nvidia GPU, or OpenCL in the case of others. For this you need drivers installed, and possibly added libraries, depending on the distro.

If you have an Intel GPU (like ones built into the Intel CPU) you're out of luck as Intel still hasn't released any OpenCL capable drivers for their GPUs for Linux.

Nvidia and AMD drivers can be downloaded from the Nvidia and AMD websites, or gotten through your distro's repository. Do also look through the sticky thread in this forum. It may be old and not everything may work, but it may give you some clues.
5621) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost all work? (Message 62091)
Posted 8 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And what is it you want any of us to say?

Yes, it's possible that you lost the client_state.xml file and the client_state_prev.xml file because they may have been being written to at the moment the power went out.

But just from your post it's very difficult to diagnose anything. No logs, no check what's actually in the data directory, just one line of what BAM said at the time of the 'outage'. I'm not even sure you want anything diagnosed.

Can this happen again? Sure. Computers are finicky that way.
5622) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 62090)
Posted 8 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
I just wanted to give you all a heads up.

We are planning on a short release cycle for BOINC 7.6. We hope to complete the test process by the end of May. BOINC 7.6 should be released as the public release in June.

That means we need to have translations up-to-date with BOINC-Manager.pot, BOINC-Client.pot, BOINC-Setup.pot, and BOINC-Web.pot for a fully localized release.

We do not anticipate making any more massive string changes before release.

Thanks in advance for all your efforts.

----- Rom
5623) Message boards : The Lounge : 9 dollar computer: CHIP (Message 62088)
Posted 8 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
An American small business, Next Thing, have made a small computer, called CHIP. Total cost for it alone is 9 dollars. You then have the backboard with a 1GHz Allwinner A13 CPU, a videochip, a full USB port, a micro USB port, Bluetooth, wifi and 512MB RAM and 4GB storage. It'll be pre-loaded with a Debian based Linux.

If you want a separate (but on-clickable) VGA port, that's an extra $10, while HDMI is an extra $15.

Fully open source. You can download the schematics and build your own.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XkfBWAJ7kbI for the video.
Or check their Kickstarter page for all the info you need.
5624) Message boards : Questions and problems : Gpu Issue (Message 62079)
Posted 8 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check that you didn't install BOINC as a service, you can recognize that when in the start-up messages it says it's running as a daemon. When BOINC is installed in that way it cannot read the drivers, as Microsoft separated those from the user profiles.

The only way to get around that is to uninstall and reinstall BOINC, this time as not a service (third screen in installer click Advanced and take the check mark off of either "Service Install" or "Protected application execution", depending on BOINC version.
5625) Message boards : Projects : CERNS CMS-dev (Message 62075)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
CERNS CMS-dev

URLs don't use quotation marks. See BBCodes for this forum.
5626) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.42 will not install (Message 62071)
Posted 6 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC FAQ Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name.
5627) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Why does the BOINC Manager window move across boots from where I had left it? (Message 62036)
Posted 3 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Works as is for me with 7.5.0, through exiting/restarting BOINC and through a reboot. So perhaps something on your Windows doesn't allow BOINC to write its position to the registry.

Although 7.5.0 had work done on its GUI, it did not have work done on how it stores that GUI in the registry. That's still the same as with 7.4.42 and prior.
One caveat, it doesn't work when I put the event log on my second monitor, but that's not something I worry about too much either.
5628) Message boards : Questions and problems : data usage (Message 62021)
Posted 2 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set up data usage limits, in both the online (web-) preferences Limit usage to N MB every N days, or via the Network Usage preferences in the local Computing Preferences (BOINC Manager->Tools->Computing preferences...).

Once BOINC gets near this limit or just crosses it, it'll stop all network communication until the limit is raised or there's enough data-limit again for a next pass.
5629) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about GPU use (Message 62007)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Remove Project will delete everything in the project directory. So are you sure you removed the right project(s)? Are you sure you removed them, not done a reset? A project reset doesn't necessarily remove everything from the project's directory, e.g. app_info.xml files and associated applications will stay in place.

In any case, BOINC is complaining that it's got work and an application for the old AMD/ATI GPU and that it cannot do that work on the Nvidia GPU.
5630) Message boards : Questions and problems : New box, R9-280x, Catalyst 14.12 Not using GPU (Message 62006)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I deleted the MW@H project, but I still see references to it below.

4/30/2015 2:22:48 PM | | General prefs: from http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/ (last modified 21-Apr-2015 13:11:44)
4/30/2015 2:22:48 PM | | Computer location: home
4/30/2015 2:22:48 PM | | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults

Yes, that's where your general (computing) preferences come from. If you want another project to take over on those preferences, you'll have to change some prefs there, then Update BOINC on that project.
5631) Message boards : Questions and problems : New box, R9-280x, Catalyst 14.12 Not using GPU (Message 61999)
Posted 30 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
4/30/2015 1:04:01 PM | Milkyway@Home | Message from server: ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL

Definitely bad back-end code as it's recognizing this GPU as a HD38xx series (R600), not as the R9-280x that it is.
5632) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61975)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's back, y'all.
5633) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61950)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Must be Jofflyn that I left behind while I was out for the day. But you've got me puzzled as to what she's making, as she's the kitchen-cleaner. I wouldn't easily eat what she puts in front of you. (Brrrr)
5634) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61942)
Posted 27 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shor's Bones, Mark apologizing, what's the world come to?
Apology accepted, though.
5635) Message boards : BOINC client : decided to try it after a year of it constantly crashing my computer... (Message 61932)
Posted 27 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
There isn't one what? A 64bit version of BOINC? Looked at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php (available from under All Versions on the normal download page).

You do require a 64bit CPU and 64bit operating system to run 64bit BOINC.
5636) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC task queue (Message 61928)
Posted 26 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
<work_buf_min_days>0.100000</work_buf_min_days>

<work_buf_additional_days>0.500000</work_buf_additional_days>

<max_ncpus_pct>0.000000</max_ncpus_pct>

Those are the ones of interest to me in this case. You're telling BOINC to download enough work for 0.6 days and to contact the projects you allow to fetch work from once that cache amount reaches 0.1 days. it then tops the cache back up to 0.6 days worth of work.
If you really want as low a cache as possible, set both values to zero.

You've also told BOINC to use all CPU cores. 0% is the same as 100%.
Like I said before, if you only want to run one task at the same time, set this to 25%. The value is an integer, which means that when you set 1-24% no CPU cores are used, 25-49% is one core, 50-74% is two cores, 75-99% is three cores and 100% (and 0%) is four cores.
5637) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC task queue (Message 61926)
Posted 26 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
26/04/2015 16:27:06 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 370 @ 2.40GHz [Family 6 Model 37 Stepping 5]

I see BOINC sees 4 cores, so your i3 has hyperthreading on.
If you want to run with only 1 core, you'll have to tell BOINC to use 25% at "Use at most N% of the CPUs".

26/04/2015 16:27:06 | | Reading preferences override file

And since you're running with the local preferences, it's best to set the CPU use in there, these preferences override any of the same from the project's web site.
(Tools->Computing preferences->CPU usage)

Mind posting the contents of your global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml files as well? You can find these in your data directory, C:\ProgramData\BOINC
This is a hidden directory, so to enter there, either fill in the path directory into Windows Explorer, or tell Windows to show hidden files and folders.

You can open all BOINC XML files with Notepad. No special XML editor needed.
5638) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC task queue (Message 61923)
Posted 26 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I downloaded most of the projects and then when I clicked "run always" they all started downloading at once.

Downloading work is transferring data from a server onto your computer. It isn't regulated with the "Run X for CPU" options in the Activity menu, but instead with the "Network X" options in that same menu.

When a project's science application is doing calculations on the data in a task, it isn't downloading work, but instead as said doing calculations, using the CPU and where possible, the GPU.

This is what I wanted, but then I saw my computer heating up and the fan going crazy so I thought I would reduce the number of tasks.

Doing calculations on the CPU will indeed heat up the CPU and increase the use of the fan.

I suspended most of them except for about five which I had already made some progress on.

I then wanted to only do one at a time, so I suspended the remaining four and waited for the first one to finish.

And by doing so, you are deciding which task runs next, not BOINC. So no wonder that you don't see BOINC automatically switch to the next task, when you've suspended all but one of them.

My worry is that with projects like Seti it downloads four or five tasks at a time, so in order to keep the transition smooth I will have to be playing with the suspend and resume buttons, unless I want to do four or five at a time (if doing Seti).

You can tell BOINC to download a minute amount of work by setting the work request (Store at least N days of work) plus the additional both to zero. This may still get more than one task in, but then that's what BOINC is made for, storing of work and scheduling when to run all that before the deadline.

You can also tell BOINC to use only one CPU (core), with the "Use at most N% of the CPUs, in your case 50%.

And you can tell BOINC to throttle where necessary, by using the "Use at most N% of CPU time". This value will switch between suspending and resuming of a task, thereby lowering the temperature that the CPU reaches. It will not make the CPU run at a N% load when checked in Windows Task Manager->Processes. If you want something like that, you need a third party app, such as TThrottle.

Ageless, how did you get the auto-switch feauture working for Seti?

I don't manually suspend any of the tasks I have in cache.
I also only have 1 GPU that I run work on, I've told Seti it cannot use my CPU, and I am not using an app_config.xml file with which I tell the GPU to run more than one task on it, which I could if I wanted to.

You have many options to manipulate the amount of work you want to run at the same time. Yet still you ignore my request for posting your start-up messages.
5639) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC task queue (Message 61920)
Posted 26 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hold on, you're telling Eddie to go add Hyper Threading (if he doesn't have it already), to then tell him how to use 1 CPU core only for his one task run that he asks for? Why not leave it at 2 cores and go from there? Making it more difficult for nothing?

@Eddie, you say you do not see BOINC switching from one task to the next when one finishes and the next should start. Just a bit of log from my own system, where I only run Seti on my GPU, and then one task at a time. Auto-switch when one task finishes to another task starting.

26/04/2015 14:45:53 | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 24my12ab.3497.15200.438086664205.12.40_0 checkpointed
26/04/2015 14:47:30 | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 24my12ab.3497.15200.438086664205.12.40_0 checkpointed
26/04/2015 14:49:00 | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 24my12ab.3497.15200.438086664205.12.40_0 checkpointed
26/04/2015 14:50:31 | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 24my12ab.3497.15200.438086664205.12.40_0 checkpointed
26/04/2015 14:52:08 | SETI@home | [task] Process for 24my12ab.3497.15200.438086664205.12.40_0 exited, exit code 0, task state 1
26/04/2015 14:52:08 | SETI@home | Computation for task 24my12ab.3497.15200.438086664205.12.40_0 finished
26/04/2015 14:52:08 | SETI@home | Starting task 28se12ac.9046.13666.438086664197.12.50_0
26/04/2015 14:53:48 | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 28se12ac.9046.13666.438086664197.12.50_0 checkpointed

As you can see, works without a flaw. Has been doing it like this for absolute ages. So then when it doesn't do that on your system, I would want to know, what is your setup like? Did you suspend all other tasks by chance? Because then yes, you will have to manually resume the next task. BOINC won't do that automatically.

Only tasks showing in the list as status "Ready to start" (has never been started before) or "Ready to run" (has been started at least once, but since auto-paused) will be able to run. All tasks set to Suspended (by whatever, user, waiting for memory, or other) will not run automatically without user intervention.

You're also saying that you feel BOINC Manager's been rushed. BOINC Manager is the graphical user interface, it shows all that the BOINC client is doing, and allows you to easily command it without having to go to the command line and using the BOINC Command Line Tool BOINCCMD for that. The BOINC client (boinc.exe) is what does all the scheduling of what work should run next, what project should run next, what project should download work next, queuing of this work, figure out how long the work takes when run on application X, and keep in mind what the user wants and if that doesn't interfere too much with day to day operations. It does a lot more, but let's simplify things.

This is why we always ask for the start-up messages. It gives a real treasure trove of information, including how many CPU cores BOINC sees your system has, and e.g. when using local preferences, how many cores you've detailed it should use. So always include about the first 40 lines of these messages.

They'll go from Starting BOINC client version 7.5.0 for windows_x86_64 (I'm testing the new one, which is 7.5.0) to Not using a proxy (as I am not using a proxy, if you are it's two lines more).
5640) Message boards : Questions and problems : Puzzling allocaton of work (Message 61915)
Posted 26 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seeing the amount of problems Seti has had in the past couple of months, it's no wonder its RAC stays behind. No work means only Einstein works.

But if you truly want Einstein to only do work when Seti has none, you set Einstein's Resource Share to zero (0). Zero RS in BOINC means this is a backup project for when the other project(s) attached don't have work.

You cannot compare the projects by the amount of RAC they have though, because Einstein pays way more than Seti does, so Einstein's RAC will always be higher than that of Seti.
5641) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61911)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just hope he learns from this experience. But I doubt it.
In any case, telling me to bugger off when I've given an official warning is not the way to do things. For any of you (looks sternly at Chris).

:)
5642) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61903)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
(banished: ID 35492)

For 24 hours. I hope you sober up quickly Mark.
You're one mean drunk and a bully.
5643) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61898)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mark, I see you ignore my request. You're leaving me with no other choice then to give you an official warning. Go post that stuff in the threads they're meant for, or find yourself unable to post here as well.

I will be moving everything to the other threads later on, or delete everything outright, also a possibility. But I am not your personal servant whom you can ignore when you want to, Mark.
5644) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC task queue (Message 61890)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc 7.7.42 (x64)

Just for clarification for those helping, is it 7.2.42 or 7.4.42? 7.7.42 does not exist.
5645) Message boards : Questions and problems : computational error (Message 61889)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What Richie meant was, go to your account at Seti, click on the taskID of any of the tasks that err and post the stderr.txt information that's shown there.
Alternatively, if you want help through here, post a link to your hostID.

Do know that BOINC is the managing program, it does no calculations and thus cannot make calculation errors. That's all down to the project's science application(s), and therefore it's always best to post questions for help on the project's forums.

"Exited with zero status but no finished file" is usually caused by overzealous antivirus and other anti-malware programs running at the same time BOINC does. Easily solved by excluding the BOINC data directory from being scanned by these programs. You can do that in your AV/AM program.
5646) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61878)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, may I remind you I set up a thread for you for this kind of stuff? I would appreciate it if you posted all this in that.
5647) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61865)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, now I understand: (banished: ID 421968)

How long for this time?
And welcome (back) to this level of Hell.
5648) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 61826)
Posted 23 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why not use the exclusive applications setup then run from cc_config.xml?
With that you can tell BOINC to suspend when a defined program is detected in memory, while when you exit that, BOINC will then resume running the science applications. It's possible to run multiple exclusions, and defined specifically for CPU and GPU.

e.g.
&lt;exclusive_app&gt;gtav.exe&lt;/exclusive_app&gt; will suspend all of BOINC (CPU and GPU) when it detects you started GTA V.
&lt;exclusive_gpu_app&gt;gtav.exe&lt;/exclusive_gpu_app&gt; will suspend only GPU tasks, but continue to run CPU tasks.

It's possible to add exclusions for the CPU through BOINC Manager (Tools->Computing preferences->exclusive applications), or when using (testing) BOINC 7.5.0 add the exclusions for GPU through that menu as well (but then in Options->Exclusive Applications).
5649) Message boards : Server programs : Description of the database (Message 61791)
Posted 21 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked David about this:

- The table definitions (SQL) are in boinc/db/schema.sql
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=blob;f=db/schema.sql;h=cc4dbcb37b9f8df7484abf10aa0a5e7ff446efa4;hb=master

- The various fields are documented in the corresponding .h file,
boinc/db/boinc_db_types.h:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=blob;f=db/boinc_db_types.h;h=22ce07d2e1d1d746400b31705d42a413abf17ae2;hb=master
... and in lib/common_defs.h:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=blob;f=lib/common_defs.h;h=cd50472816d93ad307f410c449b31f8a1abe839c;hb=master
5650) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cant figure out how to get more than 50 threads running (Message 61781)
Posted 21 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see the option in the XML files to set the number of cpu's, so that could work.

If by that you mean the &lt;ncpus&gt; option, that's for debugging only. With this option you can tell BOINC to use more CPU cores than you actually have. So you can tell it to run 14 instances of work on a quad core.

'Normal' CPU preferences are set through the "Use at most N% of the processors", or in Milkyway's preferences name, "On multiprocessors, use at most N% of the processors".
5651) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cant figure out how to get more than 50 threads running (Message 61768)
Posted 21 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And again, before we have to play a further 20 questions to get the least bit of information out of you, please read when requesting help on these forums.

Show the messages.
Post what you set in your configuration XML files.
Show what BOINC says when it contacts the project, and the scheduler answers.
Play around with the client configuration debug flags specifically the &lt;sched_op_debug&gt; and maybe a round of &lt;work_fetch_debug&gt;

You're only shooting yourself in the foot by ignoring the requests for information.
5652) Message boards : Server programs : Description of the database (Message 61763)
Posted 21 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DataBase
5653) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use GPU? (Message 61761)
Posted 21 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seems to be a limitation of the boinc_client program.

Because it couldn't possibly be a limitation set elsewhere, or yet again a bad preference setting. Without messages what this BOINC does at such a moment, there's not much I can see about it either, but I can tell you that the BOINC client has no limitation on CPU cores it can detect and use.

As long as the hostID is seen as reliable, your work + additional work request is set to something high enough, and the project allows that much work to be sent to your client, it can stock up work and run it simultaneously. So perhaps it's a project limitation, or it's something else. Impossible to guess without you giving some message lines of a scheduler contact with the project, preferably with the &lt;sched_op_debug&gt; flag set on.

You may also want to read When requesting help on these forums for a clue of the bare minimum we like to get when guessing at answers, without constantly having to play 20 questions.

As for multiple_clients, and as Claggy asked, you did set them up with different data directories and when paired against a BOINC Manager, different port numbers?

Something like:
CD /D c:\Boinc1
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31417 --dir c:\BOINC1
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31417 /p xxxxxxxxxx
CD /D c:\Boinc2
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31419 --dir c:\BOINC2
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31419 /p xxxxxxxxxx
(Index: FAQ on BOINC command line switches, FAQ on BOINC Manager command line switches)
5654) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use GPU? (Message 61739)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Watch out. I just noticed that the option to set a set value of multiprocessors (not a percentage) is no longer available in the project's global computing preferences.

This means that newer clients don't use this value anymore, and haven't been for a while now. Old clients (BOINC 4, 5, 6) that still support this option will need to have their global_prefs.xml file edited by hand, the tag &lt;max_ncpus&gt;N&lt;/max_ncpus&gt; added, where N is the maximum amount of CPUs in that system. Then that system shouldn't try to get newer preferences in from the website, as then that value is lost again in the XML file.

By the way, BOINC XML files are easily done by hand. It is based on Extensible Markup Language, but developed specifically for BOINC. It requires no specific XML editor to write or edit, an ASCII text editor such as Notepad, or Notepad++ is enough. Do save all files with ANSI encoding, instead of UTF-8 or other Unicode. Then BOINC won't have a problem with it.
5655) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use GPU? (Message 61738)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, set it to 100
5656) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use GPU? (Message 61736)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ill see if I can edit the 13% and make that 100% on the Windows box.

Do know that the value here is an integer. Which means that in the case of 13% on a single core CPU, you've told BOINC to use zero CPU.
And then it falls back to a value set through some project's global computing preferences, named "On multiprocessors, use N of the processors", where N is just a number, not a percentage.

Then there's a fail-safe, for if you set both these values to zero, but have told BOINC to use the CPU. It'll then switch to using 1 CPU (core) at minimum.
5657) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use GPU? (Message 61732)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The window you showed is for local preferences. These set the preferences on that computer only. Local preferences override web preferences.

If you want to set preferences for all computers, you either use the preferences on the project websites, or an account manager such as BAM! or Grid Republic.
5658) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to use GPU? (Message 61723)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing.

In essence, what you need is an AMD videocard driver that supports OpenCL under your form of Linux. I am assuming you mean Linux, if not, please explain, we're not psychic.
5659) Message boards : GPUs : limit / control gpu usage via boinc config files / non_gpu coprocessor (Message 61719)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
i see no reason this is not realized by the devs.

It's technically not yet possible to throttle/limit a GPU based purely on the amount of cores it can use. The GPU is either on (in use) or off (not in use). Simple as that.

Want that changed? Go ask the GPU manufacturers to add support for it.
When that's done, ask the OpenCL/CUDA developers to add software support for it.

Only then will BOINC be able to do something like that.
5660) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why? Number of usable CPUs has changed from 24 to 3. (Message 61716)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Attach through BAM! and you have an infinite amount of venues you can work with, because through there you can name your own.
5661) Message boards : The Lounge : The Radio Kitty youtube thread.... (Message 61715)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time to resurrect this thread, with the best video clip ever: David Hasselhoff, True Survivor. I guess we now all want to see this Kung Fury movie, ey?

Nay?
5662) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why? Number of usable CPUs has changed from 24 to 3. (Message 61713)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
and just use the preferences from the web site for each project.
not all pref set on one project fit all the others....

That's what the locations/venues are for.
5663) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why? Number of usable CPUs has changed from 24 to 3. (Message 61706)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyhnow, where can I find a more up-to-date Linux software? The Boinc website only lists Windows clients.

The website only shows Windows versions because there was a severe problem with wxWidgets 3.0 and a lot of Linux distributions. Therefore it's better to get the BOINC from repository and update with that.

The BOINC from Berkeley installs by default in the home directory (~/BOINC/).

When I went to computing preferences, they are set to 100% by default already.

Computing preferences can be found at the local level (if you're running with BOINC Manager), or at the project web site. It's unclear to me which computing preferences you now speak of. If the local ones, these will override the ones from the project.

PS, im trying to get this working with the milkyway project first, then when I figure out how to do this, I may expand back to Seti as well.

Computing preferences set through the project web sites are global. This means that you set them on one project's web site and they'll migrate to the other projects when BOINC contacts those projects. So it's not necessary to set them first on Milkyway, then on Seti.

Besides, the excerpt I posted came from your own log, showing that you were using the preferences from Seti, set on the 17th of April, on the location/venue: none (or ---). Always check that you're working in the correct preferences, that of none, home, work or school, and that the computer's location is set to that same location.
5664) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why? Number of usable CPUs has changed from 24 to 3. (Message 61698)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] General prefs: from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ (last modified 17-Apr-2015 13:26:03)
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] Host location: none
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] General prefs: using your defaults
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] Preferences:
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] max memory usage when active: 32205.19MB
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] max memory usage when idle: 57969.35MB
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] max disk usage: 9.70GB
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] Number of usable CPUs has changed from 24 to 3.
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] max CPUs used: 3
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] don't use GPU while active
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25%
19-Apr-2015 06:33:20 [---] (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)

So, go to Seti@Home, if need be log in, then go to Your Account->Global (computing) preferences->edit them, set "Use at most 100% of the CPUs", save changes to the web preferences (Update preferences button at the bottom of the page), and update BOINC, probably through BOINCCMD.
5665) Message boards : Questions and problems : ABC@HOME is it DEAD? (Message 61693)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's deader than a doornail, Jim.
Already removed from all the BOINC Projects lists as well (add project wizard, Choose projects, User manual projects list).
5666) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc.exe not starting at boot since Boinc 7.4.42 update [WINDOWS] (Message 61692)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I said, posting a 3515 lines long file in this post isn't possible.

And who said anything about that?
The first error in your file is between lines 1 and 520. Ample of space in a thread as this. I asked for one example of the error, not the whole file.

OK, make sure you have BOINC installed, and installed as a service, then try to start Windows in Diagnostic mode.

1. Open System Configuration by clicking the Start button Picture of the Start button, clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Security, clicking Administrative Tools, and then double-clicking System Configuration.‌ Administrator permission required If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.

2. Click the General tab, click Diagnostic startup, click OK, and then click Restart.

If that fixes BOINC starting as a service, it's something in your Windows (d'oh) that blocks the starting of BOINC.

You could also try setting the BOINC service to start Automatic (Delayed Start). Then it doesn't try to start immediately after Windows start-up.

I highly suspect that it's Comodo that does the (silent) killing of the BOINC process. Make sure you completely exclude the BOINC programs directory and the data directory from being actively scanned/blocked by Comodo software. It is very overzealous stuff. If you have the option(s), set AV and firewall to be verbose, so you can see what they're doing.

What if you delete the access right groups for BOINC and BOINCMGR in Comodo and try to have it detect these anew at BOINC start-up? BOINC.exe needs access to internet on TCP/UDP 80 and 443, plus a connection to BOINCMGR on TCP 31416. BOINCMGR needs access on TCP 31416.

Or you can do a (Google) search on "Comodo firewall blocks boinc" and "Comodo firewall blocks boinc service" (without quotes). Plenty of examples of where it goes wrong.
5667) Message boards : Promotion : Is BOINC dead? (Message 61689)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sony did it earlier.
5668) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc.exe not starting at boot since Boinc 7.4.42 update [WINDOWS] (Message 61688)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post the whole error. It'll start with Unhandled Exception Detected... and end with Exiting...

As for the Goo.gl link, sending me the same link in PM isn't going to help. It's not me blocking what's there, but Google.
Check their terms of service, at http://goo.gl/policy.html and http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/regional.html for where you may have gone wrong.
5669) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc.exe not starting at boot since Boinc 7.4.42 update [WINDOWS] (Message 61685)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://goo.gl/uTJ36W – this goo.gl shortlink has been disabled. It was found to be violating our Terms of Service.

Please just post the last full error from the file into a post.
5670) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc.exe not starting at boot since Boinc 7.4.42 update [WINDOWS] (Message 61681)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's Windows saying, in Event Log (Start, in search type Event Log, wait for Windows to find it, then (double-)click to run. Windows Logs->Application. Or Windows Logs->System.

What anti-virus do you have? Can it be overzealous and be blocking BOINC?
Same for firewall.

And last, what's BOINC saying about this? Your BOINC data directory will have the continued logs, in stdoutdae.txt and stderrdae.txt
5671) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can someone explain how to run boinc on Linux command line (Message 61668)
Posted 17 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Guys, really, please stop posting account keys on the forums. Whether it's the weak or the strong account keys, doesn't matter. Just don't.

With the strong account key another user can take over the account.
The weak account key may be less of a problem, but still, let's not make it easy on others.

I'll leave the other posts with the weak account keys in view for the moment, unless usao wants me to hide those as well.
5672) Message boards : Questions and problems : This is why not including a Window menu is a stupid idea. (Message 61650)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I got an answer from the developer.

Hi Jord,

I just tested this on my Mac. After quitting BOINC Manager, I forced the Event Log to be partly off screen (so the title bar is at vertical position -100) by editing the "[EventLog]" entry in the BOINC Manager Preferences file. This is used on the Mac instead of the registry on Windows and can be found at:
/Users/(username}/Library/Preferences/BOINC Manager Preferences

There is code in BOINC Manager which checks to ensure that the title bars of all windows are at least partly on screen and moves them there if necessary, and it did just what it as supposed to when I launched BOINC Manger. This code is there to guard against exactly the problem he says he is having.

I repeated the test, editing the preferences to move the Event Log completely off screen, and again the Manager moved it on screen when I launched it.

Now, we don't know what is wrong with your installation, but the standard thing to try first is to uninstall, download a new copy of the installer, install again. Just in case you got a corrupted download.

If that fails, you can try to delete the BOINC Manager Preferences file and start fresh with that. You can always edit that file by hand to fix the window position.
5673) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can someone explain how to run boinc on Linux command line (Message 61649)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends highly on the Linux server distribution.
But even without that, you can see at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Installing_BOINC_as_a_package how to install BOINC from Linux repository (one built for that Linux, compatible with its libraries).

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Command-line_options and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool show all the commands with which you can control the BOINC client from the command line.
5674) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does one of my hosts have some projects' priorities stuck at their past values (Message 61642)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry for thinking Priority equals Resource Share. But that is what the grid column says in BOINC Manager... :-)

???

5675) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does one of my hosts have some projects' priorities stuck at their past values (Message 61641)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Except for one host. That host got 100 for almost all of the projects, but a handful stayed at their old priorities.

Which projects are affected?
Are these projects up&about?
Which BOINC version is this with?
What message do you see in Event Log when you press Update on these projects?
5676) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does one of my hosts have some projects' priorities stuck at their past values (Message 61637)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINCStats/BAM FAQ#50: I have updated my preferences in BAM, updated the client from BAM but the preferences are still the old. Why?

The preferences aren't updated directly from BAM. BAM updates the preferences to the projects and then the client updates the preferences from a project.
In order to update the preferences of the client after you have edited the preferences in BAM, press the "Save to projects" button. Then update a project (no matter which) and you will receive the updated preferences.
5677) Message boards : Questions and problems : This is why not including a Window menu is a stupid idea. (Message 61636)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please mind your language?

I've forwarded your post to the developer, I'll leave it to his discretion to answer you.
5678) Message boards : GPUs : GPU Manufacturer Preference (Message 61593)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have an old VisionTek Radeon HD5750 that is still crunching along fine. However, VisionTek has informed me that if their cards, which normally come with a lifetime warranty, are used for 'folding', that will void the warranty.

So you're not allowed to play anything using OpenGL on it then either? As that's using the exact same hardware that OpenCL is using.
5679) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61590)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
stopped the updater ... like a power fail flashing the bios ....
bricked it?

The Rockstar Social Club Updater application would start and immediately throw an error that it couldn't connect to the server. Prior to me stopping that app, it would at least connect to the server at speeds between 0.1 and 12KB/sec.

I already know that the game in its installed volume is only 60GB, you need to download the last 5GB from the server, then patch that immediately with another 5GB patch and patch that with a 350MB patch.

So all in all it'll be tomorrow before I've got a chance in hell to be able to play it. If at least the Updater can keep a connection to the server, which it cannot. I've had to Pause and Resume the download 4 times already during typing this.
5680) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61585)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've done a stupid thing, I've stopped the updater. Now upon trying to restart it, I always immediately get that it cannot connect to the Rockstar servers. Fixing the game didn't help. Downloading the newest updater from Rockstar didn't help, so I've followed the only avenue open to me: uninstall and sit through another hour and 45 minutes for the reinstall. Sigh.

After that I'll probably best just leave the updater on the right monitor and sometimes click Retry.
5681) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61577)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
GTA 5 is installed and downloading a 5 GB patch at speeds between 19KB/sec and 2.3MB/sec. Going to take another 2.5 hours at minimum.

Edit, make that 11 hours as the download slows to under 10KB/sec.
5682) Message boards : API : How to get a list of all available projects? (Message 61576)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I may have understood you wrong, but in the mean time, the manual lists are at:
From front page (Choose projects) http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
From BOINC User Wiki http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list

Do you mean the list that the BOINC Project wizard reads?
boinccmd --get_project_config
5683) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61575)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Turns on the lights, turns down the heat, pulls up the blinds, opens a window or three to let the mosquitoes in, turns on the jukebox (filled with classic rock only), turns on the Neon outside, pulls the stools from the bar and turns them over setting them on the floor, switches to install DVD 6, puts on the 100" TV, readies some controllers, checks the inventory (alcohol free beer, water, cola, coffee, tea, milk and warm choco, peanuts, chips, salty sticks, toasties, kroketten, bitterballen and frikandellen);

Turns on Dolly, the automated waitress/concierge.

Goes into waiting mode for the rabble to move in and for the game to be installed fully. After that I will be unavailable.
5684) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61572)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
GTA 5 PC is in for me. 7 dual layer 8.5GB DVDs. 7...

Installing at about a DVD per 15 minutes.
5685) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager-Advanced View : No data in The Transfers tab. How can fix It ? (Message 61563)
Posted 13 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. What do you expect to see in the Transfer tab then? This is only populated when tasks are downloaded and depending on project, uploaded. And then it depends on your connection and the project's connection if you see something here. E.g. when fast short tasks come in via a high speed connection, you may not even see something here.

2. Depends on what hardware you have. By default, 1 task per part of hardware, so e.g. a Quad-core CPU plus a GPU can run 5 tasks. Then depending on the GPU, and the project you run tasks from on the GPU, you may be able to run two or more tasks at the same time on it.
5686) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.42 will not install (Message 61543)
Posted 11 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anything in Windows Event Viewer?
Start->Search, type Event, wait for Windows to find Event Viewer, (double-)click that.
Wait for it to load.
Windows Logs->Application.
or Windows Logs->System.

What about any other program's installer? Can you download anything else and install it? E.g. http://notepad-plus-plus.org/repository/6.x/6.7.5/npp.6.7.5.Installer.exe

What kind of anti-virus and other anti-malware protection do you have on that system? Isn't that interfering?

Are you installing BOINC as a system administrator?
5687) Message boards : Questions and problems : What to do when I find my BOINC client has just shut down? (Message 61541)
Posted 11 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
...go to the projects tab on the advanced view then choose a project and choose 'update' on the left commands. Then go to the Advanced menu on the top and choose the Event Log (or hold ctl-chift-e) and see what the logs says after the project reports it requested an update.

A little advice here, marmot. The Advanced view is there for Advanced Users. Unless you specifically know the user to be advanced, either do all that from Simple View or tell the user afterwards how to come back to Simple view.

In Simple view the commands can be given through the Project Commands button on the front of the manager, whilst the Event Log is always available through CTRL+SHIFT+E, even there. At least, since some BOINC 7.1
5688) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.42 will not install (Message 61537)
Posted 11 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am using BOINC 7.4.36 (x64). It was working fine.
I was waiting 2 days for SETI@home to give me projects.

Seti is out of work, has database trouble (again) and is in the long process of repairing said database. That may take till the end of next week, and during that time there is no work, only possible resends for those lucky few receiving those.

Keep an eye on the Seti News forum and Seti Technical News forum for more news on this.

I am using Windows Vista x64 and I am not thrilled about using Vbox just for one program.

Just to make sure you didn't download a corrupt installer, please download it anew. This is the version without VirtualBox: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.42_windows_x86_64.exe. Make sure to download the file, save it to disk and only when it's been fully downloaded, (double-)click it to start the installer.

No processes of BOINC exist in task manager.

Which is normal if Seti is out of work and your BOINC hasn't been able to get work from Seti for two days. This will stay normal for the rest of the week, unless you either get one of the resends, or you decide to add another project.
5689) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.42 will not install (Message 61536)
Posted 11 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I used the Start, Run, Browse..., Open.

Do not run the installer while it's downloading. Download first, save to a place on your hard drive, then when the installer is in, (double-)click it to start it.
5690) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem on starting client 7.5.0 x64 (Message 61529)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please keep the *.DMP file safe. I've forwarded the XML contents to the developer.
5691) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 61509)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
More from Matt at Seti:
Due to recent problems we are doing a deep cleaning of one of our larger databases. This is unfortunately progressing slower than expected, and keeping us from generating new work. We might be in this state until next week.
5692) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 61506)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti@Home is out of work, due to database trouble.

Matt Lebofsky, project scientists wrote news here:
So! All the recent headaches are due to continuing issues with the master science database. While all the data seems to be intact, there's something fundamentally wrong causing informix to keep hanging up (usually when we are continuing work on reconnecting the fragmented result tables).

During the previous recent crashes I would clean up what informix was complaining about in various error messages (always the result table indexes) but this time I'm in the process of doing a comprehensive check of everything in the database just to be sure. And, in fact, I'm seeing minor problems that I've been able to clean up thus far (once again, no loss in data - just internal bookkeeping and broken index issues).

I thought this full check would be done by now (ha ha) but it's not even close. Meanwhile we *should* be able to do Astropulse work, but the software blanking engine requires the master science database to do some integrity checks, so that is all offline as well.

There are ways to speed up such events in the future. We're working on enacting several improvements. Yes, we here are all beyond tired of our project grinding to a halt and things will change for the better.

- Matt

He also wrote earlier on the 8th of April:
Hey - just so y'all know it's the science database again. This time enough is enough and I'm doing a comprehensive set of integrity checks on everything in that database before starting it up again. So no MB splitting or assimilating. Eventually some work will show up for AP splitting in the meantime...

Might be back up by the end of the work day, if not shortly after that. I did find one problem which was obscured while checking things out after previous crashes, so there's hope.

- Matt
5693) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem on starting client 7.5.0 x64 (Message 61491)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was willing to try the new IE about a year ago (it must have been the new version 11... and I wanted to try the 64bit version of it). I updated my older IE to that 64bit version... and what I got was this same kind of behaviour: IE never started. Well, it shortly flashed on the screen, but that was all it did.

I really tried to find a solution for that and used google for hours and tried this and that

Ever tried all the steps on http://www.thewindowsclub.com/internet-explorer-freezes-crashes-hangs? Because if you manage to fix IE, by fixing Windows, you'll probably also fix this problem with BOINC Manager.
5694) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem on starting client 7.5.0 x64 (Message 61487)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
In that case, care to try if BOINC 7.5.0 32bit works?
5695) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem on starting client 7.5.0 x64 (Message 61478)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just awake, couldn't remember. :)
Thx
5696) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem on starting client 7.5.0 x64 (Message 61476)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So BOINC can run fine (if started with boinc.exe), you only have a problem with running BOINC Manager (the GUI)?

* In the BOINC Data directory, open stderrgui.txt, stdoutgui.txt. Are there any entries in here for around the time BOINC Manager didn't want to start? If so, what?
* Which program directory did you install BOINC into?
* Which program directory was BOINC using before?
* When checking in C:\Program Files (x86)\ is there a BOINC directory there?
- If so, what's in it?
* When checking in C:\Program Files\ is there a BOINC directory there?
- If so, what's in it?
* Have you checked in Windows Event Viewer (Start->Search, type Event->click Event Viewer), in the Windows Logs->Application, if there is any mention of what's happening to BOINC Manager?
* Which anti virus and other anti malware programs are you using?
- Have you ever put the BOINC programs directory and its data directory up as exclusive zones in these programs, not to be actively scanned by them?
- Even with your main AV not started, Windows will have protection of its own. Check that Windows Defender doesn't do weird things.
* Is BOINC Manager allowed through your firewall?
- If you can set separate ports for it, did you set it to work on TCP 43416?
* Do you have any program developing/compiling programs/peripherals installed that you think we should know about? Any hard linked wxWidgets or sorts?
5697) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem on starting client 7.5.0 x64 (Message 61466)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, try to download the installer again. You said in another post that you 'guessed' at the name of the installer, perhaps that you guessed wrong or that the download was somehow fumbled.

The new 7.5 Change Log thread will always have links to the newest clients. Just click, tell where to save, download. Wait for the download to be completely in before installing. When using Internet Explorer or a similar browser that asks if it should run it or save it, save it. Run the installer only after it's completely downloaded. Save it to a different directory, preferably even a different drive/partition than you saved the original file. Do not overwrite the original file, just in case.

When it's downloaded, uninstall present BOINC 7.5.0 through Add/Remove Programs, then start the new installer. See how that goes.
5698) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61464)
Posted 7 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
We have a door? What happened to the curtain?
Why am I always the last to be informed?
5699) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.5/7.6 Change Log. (Message 61459)
Posted 7 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.5.0 available for testing for Windows.

With thanks to Charlie Fenton for all the hard work on BOINC Manager.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.42 -> 7.5.0 (April 5, 2015)

  • MGR: fix display bug with &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt;
  • MGR: fix display bug with &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt; (reverted from previous commit)
  • MGR: fix simple view display bug when use &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt;
  • MGR: fix simple view display bug when use &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt; (reverted from previous commit)
  • MGR: Work around an apparent bug in wxWidgets 3.0 on Linux which drew blank lines at the top and failed to draw the bottom items. This could happen if the list was scrolled near the bottom and the user selected "Show active tasks."
  • MGR: work around a Linux bug in wxWidgets which prevents bringing the main window forward on top of Event Log (or any modeless dialog.)
    • On all platforms, preserve Z-order of main window and Event Log when hiding / showing or deactivating / activating Manager.
  • MGR: fix a bug in my last commit in Linux when a modal dialog is open which prevented bringing bringing the modal dialog with the main window forward on top of Event Log. (Linux allows the Event Log to be brought forward and made active even if we have a modal dialog displayed (associated with our main frame.)
  • client: Change Windows 10's kernel detection version to 10.0 instead of 6.4.
  • client: Check for the correct SKU as well.
  • client: fix incorrect parsing of &lt;max_ncpus_pct&gt; (0 means no limit).
  • MGR: begin updating Advanced Preferences dialog to new specification.
  • MGR: continue updating Advanced Preferences dialog to new specification.
  • LIB: add enabled_defaults() function to GLOBAL_PREFS (for GUI).
  • client: run coprocessor tasks at higher priority even if they use >= 1 CPU.
  • LIB: tweak values in GLOBAL_PREFS::enabled_defaults() function to better match new web prefs.
  • MGR: tweak some strings in new Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • MGR: tweak more strings in new Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • MGR: continue updating Advanced Preferences dialog to new specification: tweak more strings, change wxStaticBox headings to bold italic on Windows and Linux.
  • MGR: continue updating Advanced Preferences dialog to new specification: split each day-of-week time span text field into separate starting and ending time text fields; rearrange source code to match new order of items on dialog; add missing validators; fix bugs; begin expanding tooltips to cover static text and checkboxes in addition to text edit fields.
  • MGR: continue updating Advanced Preferences dialog to new specification: make tooltips the same as new web prefs, try to apply each tooltip to all parts of its referenced item (checkbox, static text, textedit field, etc.) but tooltips are not yet working reliably.
  • MGR: finished updating Advanced Preferences dialog to new specification: apply each tooltip to all parts of its referenced item (checkbox, static text, textedit field, etc.); fix bug saving Day-of_week overrides.
  • MGR: minor tweak to new Advanced Preferences dialog: put "leave apps in memory" checkbox above page/swap file size to match the order in the web prefs.
  • MGR: minor tweak to new Advanced Preferences dialog: remove redundant code.
  • MGR: prefs dialog string tweaks.
  • MGR: in Advanced Preferences dialog, clear idle timeout text input field when disabled because both "Suspend when idle" checkboxes are off, set it to default value when re-enabled by setting either checkbox on.
  • MGR: change layout of most items in Advanced Preferences dialog so all rows are left justified with no gaps within a row instead of arranging items in grids. (The Day-of-Week overrides are still arranged in grids.)
  • MGR: Add new clock icon to Daily Schedules tab in Advanced Preferences dialog,
  • MGR: Fix bugs specific to MS Windows in Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • MGR: Fix compiler warning.
  • MGR: Updated a few copyright dates to 2015.
  • MGR: bug fixes in Advanced Preferences dialog: ensure we clear all disabled textedit fields when initializing dialog.
  • MGR: fix typo, change layout in Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • MGR: Remove, now bogus, menu item.
  • MGR: minor code cleanup in Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • MGR: tweaks to Advanced Preferences dialog: don't display decimal point and digits after decimal point if 0; set initial values for Day-of-week overrides when checkboxes are firs set; adjustments to a few strings; minor code cleanup.
  • MGR: avoid unnecessary event handling in Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • MGR: string tweak.
  • MGR: In Advanced Preferences dialog, fix initial values set for network usage limit and time of day and day-of-week suspensions; more code cleanup.
  • client: if get 417 HTTP status, switch to HTTP 1.0
    • 417 (Expectation Failed) probably means we're talking to a 1.0 proxy.
  • MGR: In Advanced Preferences dialog, fix '&' in "Disk & Memory" tab label.
  • SCR: Fix build break introduced by commit cb0d59b.
  • SCR: Update to allow building with Xcode 6.1.1 (using Automatic Reference Counting) as well as Xcode 5.0.2.
    • Because Xcode 6.1.1 requires ARC, it builds only the 64-bit screensaver, so the screensaver can't run on OS 10.5.
    • Xcode 5.0.2 builds the screensaver without ARC, and builds a combined 32-bit and 64-bit "universal" binary which runs on OS 10.5 through the latest OS X (OS 10.10.)
  • SCR: Improve validity testing of settings on Mac Screensaver control panel.
  • SCR: Remove unused code from Mac Screensaver.
  • Mac: update Xcode project for building BOINC 7.5 under Xcode 6.1.1.
    • Rom: do not port this commit to the 7.4 branch; the screensaver this builds won't run on OS 10.5.
  • Mac installer: Require OS 10.6 or later for BOINC 7.5.
    • Rom: do not port this commit to the 7.4 branch.
  • SCR: Fix a bug which prevented default screensaver (clientscr) from running when BOINC client was suspended.
  • client: startup message tweak: Running as a daemon (GPU computing disabled).
  • client: correction to previous commit: running as a daemon disables GPU computation only on MS Windows.
  • WINBUILD: Change where the installer looks for the MSVC runtime the BOINC binaries are linked against.
  • MGR: fix display bug with &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt;.
  • MGR: fix simple view display bug when use &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt;.
  • client: show more config options at startup.
  • MGR: show task running state correctly (fix last commits).
  • MGR: shuffle menus.
  • MGR: simple view menu tweaks.
  • MGR: menu tweaks.
  • MGR: Remove context-sensitive help button.
  • MGR: Update about box with updated information.
  • Don't use "&" in translatable string. WxWidgets requires "&&" for some reason, and this confuses translators.
  • Mac: minor update to build instructions for trunk (BOINC 7.5.0 and later.)
  • Mac: Corrections to build instructions for trunk (BOINC 7.5.0 and later.)
  • MGR: Modify Simple Preferences dialog to match Advanced Preferences dialog and Web Preferences.
  • MGR: Updates to Simple Preferences dialog: restore reference to Advanced Prefs dialog; fix controls to appear properly over a background image. The warning icon does not yet appear correctly over a background image.
  • MGR: Fixes for correctly displaying controls over a background image in Simple Preferences; adjust size of warning symbol bitmap for dpi setting on Windows for Simple and Advanced Preferences.
  • MGR: Fix appearance of Simple Preferences dialog items when tabbing through the items to change focus; adjust length of static line for DPI setting on Windows.
  • MGR: Fix build breaks on Macintosh.
  • MGR: When erasing controls in Simple Preferences dialog, align background image correctly for controls that are descendants of the dialog deeper than one level (grandchild, great-grandchild, etc.)
  • MGR: Set default background of Simple Prefs dialog to white.
  • MGR: Add a leading space between checkboxes and their labels in Simple Prefs dialog.
  • MGR: Fix compiler warnings; fix Simple Prefs bitmap display on Linux.
  • MGR: Fix CTransparentHyperlinkCtrl display on MS Windows which broke in the last checkin.



Available installers:

Windows 7.5.0
- boinc_7.5.0_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.5.0_windows_x86_64.exe

5700) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 61457)
Posted 7 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We are experimenting with a new menu arrangement as well as unifying the preference names and descriptions across the project website and the client software. SETI@Home has been updated to include the new preference design.

What do you all think?

For the localizers: This build should be able to give you context to all the string changes of late.

----- Rom
5701) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61448)
Posted 7 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Another one bites the dust. James Best dies aged 88. Some of you may know him better as Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane from the Dukes of Hazzard.

May you rest well, sir.
5702) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61434)
Posted 7 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
/removes cobwebs and spiderwebs from self, then steps out from the corner to the right of the bar.

Hmmmw?
5703) Message boards : Questions and problems : SCREENSAVERS, BUT NO SCREENSAVER (Message 61427)
Posted 6 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My point is that, in past versions of BOINC, only one program would run at a time.

By program do you mean a task, or a project?
A task is the work actually running, done by the project's science application.
A project is Seti, Einstein, Primegrid, etc.

BOINC can run multiple tasks at once, by default one on each piece of hardware, be it all CPU cores and per GPU.

The processor you use has 4 cores, plus the GPU, so it should be able to run 5 tasks at the same time. Depending on what project science application runs, that can be 4 or 5 separate screen savers that BOINC can capably run after each other. You can control that through the screen saver Settings, that I talked about earlier: how long it takes for the screen saver to show, how long it should be visible, how long to run project screen savers and when to switch between project screen savers.

Not all projects using a GPU allow tasks to run on the GPU and use the graphics screen saver at the same time. So far only Einstein allows so, as far as I know.
5704) Message boards : Questions and problems : Host ID doesn't exist in BOINC combined or doesn't have any credit. (Message 61424)
Posted 6 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am struggling to rid my account of this error message on the BAM:Host List screen when I click on the detailed stats icon for either Host ID
568328 and 568608.

And what, if anything, do they say about this at BAM?
Any operational question about BAM is best asked on the BAM forums. Other than in name, they aren't in any way affiliated with us.
5705) Message boards : Questions and problems : SCREENSAVERS, BUT NO SCREENSAVER (Message 61423)
Posted 6 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wondered why no BOINC project screensaver was visible?

To be able to use the BOINC screen saver, you'll need to instruct Windows to use the correct screen saver. Right click any empty place on the desktop, Personalize, Screen Saver, select BOINC.

Through the Settings option, you can now set up how long it takes for the screen saver to show, how long it should be visible, how long to run project screen savers and when to switch between project screen savers.

BOINC has its own built-in screen saver that shows when a project doesn't have a screen saver. The rest of the time it has no problem switching between different projects their screen savers. The only things needed are for BOINC to actively run one task of each project and the project having their own screen saver.

Could you also please stop posting your thread title in ALL CAPS? We read all, but it looks greedy, as if your problem is more important than that of anyone else posting around here.
5706) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 61403)
Posted 5 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those wondering what's up with those BOINC 7.5.0's on the DL page, it's not got any new things in the client, it's merely a test run for us (David, Rom, Charlie, Jacob and me) for switching the menus and menu contents around.

Although those of you who have downloaded it should check out and test the new exclusive applications editor for the GPU. Or just wait until an official test 7.5 surfaces. :)
5707) Message boards : GPUs : GPU Throttle? (Message 61388)
Posted 4 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPU-Z indicates that the GPU temp is on the mid 30's Celsius (this is currently an older ATI Radeon 5750), I can't recall how hot the NVidia card ran. I don't think that should be too hot. How hot is too hot?

In my opinion, mid 30s means the GPU isn't used for calculations. I am now doing Seti on my AMD HD 7870 and it's running at between 58 and 63C. When it's idling, it's in the high 20s, low 30s as well.

Too hot for a GPU is anything above 90C. The GTX-670 has a max temp from the manufacturer of 97C. Run long at, around or beyond that and it'll burn out. Magic smoke. Poof.
But then you can compare that to a CPU. When you find your CPU runs at 90C+ you'll be looking into better cooling (liquid nitrogen ;-)) as well.

The card in question is completely stock, no overclocking, no cooling modifications.

Which card are you now talking about, the ATI or the Nvidia?
If the ATI, there is a fan on it? They did release these as passively cooled as well, with just a big heat sink on it, no active (fan) cooling.
5708) Message boards : GPUs : [Linux] Intel GPU Ivy Bridge OpenCL (Message 61362)
Posted 3 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see what you mean, but cannot find any mention of it in the past 6 months on the Collatz forums. I would think something as such is a big deal. I also wonder if it isn't a hiccup of sorts. Collatz is researching OpenCL on the CPU. Could be that they mean that?
5709) Message boards : GPUs : [Linux] Intel GPU Ivy Bridge OpenCL (Message 61355)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
referring to this list project Collatz Conjecture, there is Linux Intel GPU OpenCL support now.

How do you make that connection? All I see is that there is Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, Android and Rasp Pi support, and separately Nvidia, AMD and Intel GPU. That doesn't mean that there's CUDA and OpenCL support for all operating systems.

But when Intel releases any Linux drivers that have OpenCL support, they'll be available through Intel's driver download site.
5710) Message boards : GPUs : GPU Throttle? (Message 61354)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can use eFMer's TThrottle to throttle the GPU (set a maximum temperature it may reach). There's no OpenCL or CUDA option yet to specify to use only part of the GPU's processors.

But if you burn through them that quick, it's possible that either you don't have enough cooling, or there's a problem with your power supply.
5711) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.42 released for Windows and Mac (Message 61343)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had an answer back from the developer. He told me that this is something that Yosemite does, not BOINC. When you search for the error in a search engine -- and by the way, it's over-released legacy external boost assertions -- there are hundreds of people who have this problem.

Nowhere a definitive answer as how to solve this. It does appear to be a problem with OS X 10.10 only so far though.

The developer continues to say As long as the Mac and BOINC are running normally, I would say ignore it. But if it bothers you much, you could try removing the login startup item for BOINCManager (under System Preferences Users & Groups) and launch BOINCManager manually after login.

If you still gets the message after that, then we don't see any way that BOINC could be involved during the boot process.
5712) Message boards : Questions and problems : Virtualbox on Linux (Message 61339)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like a marketing talk, as in 'this product is better than the product you now use, because of X'. There have been plenty of software weaknesses found lately in various things, such as the Heartbleed Bug which is a vulnerability in the OpenSSL libraries, the BASH vulnerability a.k.a. 'Shellshock', or Ghost which is caused by a buffer overflow in the LibC library.

But all those are easily fixed, by downloading and installing new versions of these library packages through Synaptic. The Linux package maintainers are usually on top when it comes to fixing these vulnerabilities. They'll release updates almost instantaneous, whereas you'll find Microsoft waiting until Patch Tuesday (even if that's three weeks from now).

Of the above examples, all are fixed in Linux Mint 17 and 17.1, as well as in Fedora 20 and 21. So it sounds to me like your techie friend is just trying to sell you the distro he likes most.
5713) Message boards : The Lounge : April Fools jokes (Message 61338)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
CERN their LHC research confirms existence of the Force.

Google comes with a new service, to ease your way of life: Google Fiber Dial Up.

Vodafone has found a way to convert paper money into electronic money.

Microsoft put an app in their store: MS-DOS Mobile. See the introduction here.
5714) Message boards : The Lounge : April Fools jokes (Message 61335)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL @ Google once more: https://com.google/. Reversed internet.
5715) Message boards : The Lounge : April Fools jokes (Message 61331)
Posted 31 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Burger King Japan did a press release (PDF) on a new perfume, called Whopper. It smells like a Whopper. Only for sale on April 1st, for a whopping $50.-

Samsung did a press release (here) on their new Galaxy BLADE edge: Chef’s Edition. A smartphone with an edge so sharp, you can use it as a chef's knife.

Google has Pac Man via Google Maps (works in Chrome, IE). Use this link for that. Wait for it to load, navigate to a place you know (it starts above The Netherlands), then press the Pac Man option in the lower left corner. If you don't see the option, try another browser.

MacDonalds has a Big Mac Store, with the Big Mac clothing line. Only in Sweden so far, so their store is also only available in Swedish.

Tele2 is going to provide scent-calling. For more information see their Youtube video.

Know any more? Share! :)
5716) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.42 released for Windows and Mac (Message 61320)
Posted 31 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to developer.
5717) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61289)
Posted 31 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Decoding Gauntlet for this week:

First to fully disclose what's meant will win this day's secret prize!

(z not c, Jord)
5718) Message boards : Questions and problems : Virtualbox on Linux (Message 61283)
Posted 31 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fedora is a whole different distribution of Linux. One that may have problems with BOINC (be warned up front).

Synaptic (wiki explanation) is the software package install mechanism in Linux. You use it to install and remove all software updates and upgrades available for your distribution of Linux. So that you don't have to search for these yourself.

You can use it from a terminal window.
5719) Message boards : GPUs : New Xeon Phi (Message 61278)
Posted 30 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As a named GPU? Probably not.
As a(n unnamed) coprocessor? As long as it has drivers, probably.
5720) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc not shutting down on exit from tray icon (Message 61262)
Posted 29 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC manager - Tools - Options - General options - check Show Manager exit dialog? - OK.
Next time you now do File - Exit, check 'stop running tasks on exiting the Manager' (or similar wording) and do not check the option to do this silently from now on, so that you always get the exit dialog reminding you that you can exit either only the manager, or both processes.

(I see Richard and I wake up at the same time, but I doubt he's doing everything from memory and typing this on his phone. :))
5721) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bionic 7.4.36 only using 1 CPU core (or less) (Message 61259)
Posted 29 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adata has their own tools for this, called SSD Toolbox: http://www.adata.com/en/ss/software-6/
5722) Message boards : Questions and problems : Loth to depart: the unexorciseable message (Message 61240)
Posted 27 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, I agree. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Uninstalling_BOINC
5723) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.42 released for Windows and Mac (Message 61227)
Posted 26 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes.
5724) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.42 released for Windows and Mac (Message 61220)
Posted 26 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks. I had the developers change the title of the News (and thread).
5725) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not attach boinc projects (Message 61211)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.42 got promoted to recommended. Please update to that version and try again.

If that still doesn't work, make sure that you allow BOINC through your firewall. boinc.exe requires internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443. Although the log you gave shows that it hasn't got any trouble uploading or downloading with the projects you've got added.

Can you clarify what you mean with "the boin system tray exits but not from the processes"? Do you mean the boinctray.exe? That's the BOINC idle detected program for Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. Or do you mean that BOINC Manager (the GUI) minimizes to the system tray (next to the clock)?
5726) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.42 released for Windows and Mac (Message 61210)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this BOINC FAQ for solutions: Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name
5727) Message boards : GPUs : How to not get new GPU units on only a single computer? (Message 61201)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC allows for the making of different venues (or locations) with different preferences. You make these on the project's preferences pages.

Then set that laptop to that specific venue and in the project preferences pages specify not to use the Nvidia, ATI or Intel GPU, whichever applies.

So go to the project's web pages, your account, project preferences.
Click any of the Add separate preferences for home, work or school.
Edit those, and take the check mark off of the correct GPU. Make sure that the Use CPU is checked. Best also uncheck "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" as this will sometimes still allow GPU work. Save changes to the web preferences.

Go back to your account, view your computers, click on the Details link for the computer in question, scroll all the way down and change its location to that of the preferences you just added. Click Update.

That's about it. If you want to you can add separate computing preferences for the laptop, but you can also add these through the local advanced preferences (BOINC Manager->View->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences...)
5728) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61195)
Posted 24 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
But... I can see....

Extends the blindfold...
5729) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not attach boinc projects (Message 61170)
Posted 24 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project are you trying to add?
5730) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not attach boinc projects (Message 61167)
Posted 24 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Open BOINC Manager.

On Simple View, click the Add project button.


On Advanced View, click Tools->Add project or account manager->Add project.


Both of these will start the same Add project wizard.

If you do not see any of this, you'll have to explain what you do see. Or what steps you took to try to add a project.
5731) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 61148)
Posted 24 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN news:

Jonathan Miller, CPDN wrote:
Hi Chaps,

Following a brief outage yesterday, we are having issues with the database server, and other VMs.

The project is effectively down, and I can't yet say what is running or not.

More info as I get it.

Jonathan Miller, CPDN, 2 hours later wrote:
We appear to be back up and running.

Yesterday we had a problem with the VMs data store, which seems to have cascaded into today's problem with the database server's drives.
Both are now fixed.

We also had a problem with the networking of the database server, and we have worked around that.
5732) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 61141)
Posted 23 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Should I rename this thread to "News on when Collatz is down"? ;-)
5733) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update new username in stats of retired projects?? (Message 61122)
Posted 21 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally when projects are retired, the project administrators take the whole project and thus the database off line. So even if they would change things in that database, BOINC wouldn't know about it because the project isn't online.
5734) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update new username in stats of retired projects?? (Message 61119)
Posted 21 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without access to their databases, you cannot. So if these projects are retired, you cannot.
5735) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61111)
Posted 20 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My condolences to you and your family, Richard.
5736) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61108)
Posted 20 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's because of the "When reporting a problem, please include:" text that's added to the "New thread" function on the Q&P forums only.
5737) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't utilize all CPUs on NUMA multi-node systems (>64 threads) (Message 61072)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thought that the information I provided is sufficient for technicians to understand the issue at first look.

From the forum index, second line: These message boards are frequented by volunteers. It's likely (but not guaranteed) that they'll be able to respond to your questions or suggestions.

The BOINC developers don't read here, unless pointed out by me or others. Between us volunteers we can solve quite a lot of problems before we need to ask the developers. We're not all technicians, rocket scientists, and such but we do know our BOINC and are better at helping when we have a basic understanding of what's actually being asked.

1. BOINC startup (is that relevant in this case?)

Yes, that is relevant, because it shows one thing:

Processor: 72 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2699 v3 @ 2.30GHz [Family 6 Model 63 Stepping 2]
All 72 cores are detected by BOINC.

Config: simulate 72 CPUs
I see you set &lt;ncpus&gt;72&lt;/ncpus&gt;, which is totally unnecessary when BOINC has already detected the 72 cores. With that option you can tell BOINC to simulate that it has more cores than it actually has, e.g. on a 2 core system set it to 4 and it'll run 4 instances of tasks on those 2 cores.

If you want to juggle amount of CPU cores, use the "Use at most N% of the CPUs" option in the preferences.

3. Running 72 WCG/MCM tasks.

So then the BOINC client works as it should. You have 72 cores, you have 72 single threads taking up one task and one WCG science application per thread. The science applications determine how they use the memory and how much, not the BOINC client.

Meaning that if you want this changed, you'll have to ask WCG to change their way of application memory management. And then if WCG thinks this is a viable request, they can ask BOINC to come up with a different API to make science applications that way. But that's a different BOINC than the client.
5738) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't utilize all CPUs on NUMA multi-node systems (>64 threads) (Message 61070)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
A couple of problems with your posts:
1) No BOINC start-up messages showing what BOINC is showing.
2) No explanation on what NUMA is. The only NUMA I know is the company that Dirk Pitt works for, it's doubtful you mean that one. And since you now have to look up what I mean, did you mean I have to go look up what you mean?
3) Other than saying you run WCG, you don't specify sub-project and amount of memory. Can you even run 64 single threads based on the amount of memory?
4) Or do you want to run work divided over the 64 threads? In that case, you have to ask the project for an application (OpenCL or MT) that can do so.

You may want to peruse this thread as well, for minimum amounts of useful info to post to get help around here.
5739) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61063)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, now. That tea that Anniet drinks, remember? That you all sipped from the other day? And found to be delicious?

Well... the sugar cubes in that tea are laced with the juice reduction of aforementioned newt eyes.

:-)
5740) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61059)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quickly blows out the candles and hides the paraphernalia intended for the seance.

What?
5741) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screensaver won't start (Message 61056)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
version 7.2.42 (x64)

The recommended version available at the moment for Windows and Mac is 7.4.36.

7.2.42 did indeed have the flickering screen saver bug, but that was corrected a long time ago.
5742) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61029)
Posted 17 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here we are again

{snip}

Garçon, please a round of whatever Chris is having for everyone else around here. If this includes happy pills, mushrooms, grass or other uplifting materials, then so be it.
5743) Message boards : Questions and problems : Virtual Mahine OUCH! (Message 61022)
Posted 17 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Rom:

Vboxwrapper supports bandwidth quotas and bandwidth throttling.

Turn on &lt;app_msg_receive/&gt; in the client to see what the core client is being told about data usage by vboxwrapper.
5744) Message boards : Questions and problems : Virtual Mahine OUCH! (Message 61019)
Posted 17 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And now editing the post and taking that out. :)

I'll forward this to Rom.
5745) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61018)
Posted 17 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Has everyone left there?
Or is it the same 18C weather for everyone else as we have here in The Netherlands now?

I doubt everyone finally started playing The Elder Scrolls Online now it's become Buy to Play and is called Tamriel Unlimited.
5746) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screensaver won't start (Message 61017)
Posted 17 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And more importantly the rest of the information. From When requesting help...:
If you have problems with your screen saver or graphics, please state which projects you run, which project(s) you have the problem with, what you see and expected to see. For hardware/software check, please state what your videocard is (brand and model), DirectX version, Operating system and most crucially, drivers version. See this FAQ for other hints.
5747) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 61012)
Posted 17 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unbelievable, it's been 7 hours since someone posted last in NC at Seti.
5748) Message boards : Questions and problems : Virtual Mahine OUCH! (Message 61009)
Posted 17 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which FAQs? Got a link?
5749) Message boards : Questions and problems : What are these large files and can I safely delete them? (Message 60993)
Posted 16 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which is why I said to read the whole thread I pointed to.
From that thread:
You can simply delete those log files. You can also stop the syslog daemon, so they won't come back. Logging everything is usually a good idea, but on a development system in a R&D environment, it has little to no value.

And also from that thread:
Seeing a "syslog.1" means your logs probably *did* get rotated, however log file sizes could be due to excessive errors or way verbose logging or unusual log rotation settings. For checking your log rotation see /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d and /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd.
5750) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60975)
Posted 15 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Resets the countdown clock.

See ya in due time. And Go!
5751) Message boards : Questions and problems : What are these large files and can I safely delete them? (Message 60973)
Posted 15 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since BOINC isn't an operating system, chances are high these are logs made by your OS.
I put it in a search engine and came up with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1394909. Make sure you read all of it.
5752) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seismograph cannot be found (Message 60970)
Posted 15 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then I quit Boinc and task manager said it was still running the boinctray, so I killed the process.

Boinctray is the idle detection process for Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 10. It does not start with BOINC, but instead starts from the registry at Windows logon, or at the end of using the BOINC Installer.
5753) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60935)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also picking up resends

Not ones of your own, as that is turned off to lighten the load on the database.
5754) Message boards : Questions and problems : No active VMs are listed within the Virtual Box Manager (Message 60925)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed Boinc 7.4.36 under Win8.1 with install option “Protected application execution”.

Under BOINC 7.4.36 this is called Service Install.

Then I installed the VM 4.3.12. When I run WU with VM (Atlas or VirtualLHC) I don´t see any VM within the Virtual Box Manager.
May it´s not possible, because the tasks run under the account “boinc_project”?

Project questions are best asked at the project. It's their VM, applications and tasks that run in the virtual machine. As far as the FAQ at vLHC goes, the present BOINC (since 7.2.10) can be installed as a service for the VMs to work.

According to someone answering at Atlas@Home it's normal not to see running tasks in the VM when BOINC is installed as a service. You can check in the VirtualBox manager to see if the VMs are running. And for the rest, best ask at those projects.
5755) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC WU on LinuxMint with NVIDIA GPU (Message 60921)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think that the lucky deduction that projects can make is: when the GPU is Nvidia and it has CUDA detected, it can automatically do OpenCL 1.0 at the minimum. All CUDA capable GPUs can do OpenCL 1.0, a few can do OpenCL 1.1, none can do any better because Nvidia stopped developing OpenCL.

As opposed to AMD and Intel GPUs, where you're required to have had some detection of capabilities.
5756) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 60915)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new build to test. This should be a short test cycle as most of the changes are related to updated localization files. The updated localization files were pulled from the BOINC 7.4 project on Pootle(BTS) before it was shutdown.

We'll release this build to the public if it contains no showstoppers and behaves just like 7.4.36.

We want to begin testing 7.5/7.6 next week. It'll contain a bunch of changes with the menu and the advanced preference dialog. We will be revamping the simple preferences dialog as well.

So please report your test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha as quickly as possible.

Report any issues to this email list (boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu).

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom

Change Log:
* Updated localization files
* Screensaver fix for when the client is suspended
* When using a proxy, fallback to HTTP 1.0 if the proxy returns a 417
status code.
* Fixed Windows 10 detection (kernel version change)

Change Log 7.4.36 -> 7.4.42
5757) Message boards : GPUs : Using GPU without being logged (windows) - possible? (Message 60905)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, and this time because everything about the BOINC installations is being written into the registry. Also whether it's a service install or a user install.

Well, it's probably possible if you install BOINC as one, and then use the /a (administrative install) option on the installer to unpack everything into a separate directory. But this may become very messy very quickly.
5758) Message boards : GPUs : Using GPU without being logged (windows) - possible? (Message 60902)
Posted 12 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it true?

It's not true. It's not something that BOINC can fix either, if it needs a fix it is something that Microsoft has to do. Microsoft has decided to run the services in their own session. This means that when BOINC is running as a service that it cannot reach the drivers for the videocard that are running under your user account. Thus no detection possible.

Question number 2, is it possible to make a dual install, or dual config, or really any kind of sorcery, so that you can have BOINC crunching on CPU only when nobody is logged, but have access to the GPU once someone logs in?

No, just because of that problem of the drivers running in a different session from the services. The service installation will not all of a sudden be able to detect the drivers when a user logs in. While the user installation will not run when no one is logged in.
5759) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Requests & Need Info (Message 60883)
Posted 12 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. I have also a feature request:
Add a feature "update all projects" in the BOINC Manager, projects label, "Commands" buttons.
It is quite easy to make an script with boinccmd, but it would be easier with an extra button.

Left-click to select first project in the list, press and hold Shift on the keyboard, left-click to select the last project in the list, click Update.
5760) Message boards : Questions and problems : Desire new option for WU: PRIORITY in addition to SUSPEND and ABORT (Message 60876)
Posted 12 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
What would be the problem with giving users such a control mechanism?

It's micromanagement, goes against letting BOINC its scheduler be doing the scheduling and running of things. The user thinks he knows best. He'll then be using that option for everything from that point forward. And why?

It's by the way not the client's deadline prediction, it's the task's and an estimate at that. As such, BOINC is only following what the project throws out.
In the mean time, I found the thread at Primegrid, in it you've been told several times that recently a second algorithm was added to BOINC which works much better and that they've enabled this on the server side, but it won't be active on your computer until either you reset or re-attach to PrimeGrid or they release new versions of the apps.

So you knowingly ran that task with old values.

You can also let one or more tasks run over time, without interfering! BOINC will learn about it and next schedule such tasks earlier. I bet that's what the project admins are hoping for, as it may be easier to do than to adjust the resource estimate more correctly for all machines out there. Having done the resource flops calculations, it takes at least a thousand tasks done on one trustworthy machine to get a more accurate estimate. Want even more accurate? Several thousands more. Oh, and that's generally done before you release such tasks to the public.

But since projects don't have that time, money and patience...

Now then, if you still so much require such a function, there is nothing standing in your way to add it and compile your own version of BOINC for it. Source code here, outdated compiling instructions there.
5761) Message boards : GPUs : GPUs Working? (Message 60869)
Posted 12 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Would I have to do anything to 'disable' the windows remote desktop, and activate the normal GPU drivers? Once I get VNC going, that is?

I know you have it working, but just for anyone else wondering about this... no, as soon as Windows stops using remote desktop, it'll switch back to the original driver that you installed. BOINC will then follow suit within 10 seconds, and restart calculations.
5762) Message boards : GPUs : GPUs Working? (Message 60863)
Posted 11 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
3/11/2015 5:02:17 PM | | Remote desktop in use; disabling GPU tasks

As Claggy said...
When you use remote desktop in Windows, Windows switches to using a built-in driver for remote desktop. This driver is just a basic screen driver that lacks GPGPU components, and thus then the GPU stops doing calculations.

Simplest fix if you must use a remote desktop option is to use a third party application that uses the driver you installed, such as VNC (not free) or the freeware thightVNC.

3/11/2015 5:02:17 PM | Collatz Conjecture | Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
3/11/2015 5:02:17 PM | Collatz Conjecture | Reporting 1 completed tasks
3/11/2015 5:02:17 PM | Collatz Conjecture | Requesting new tasks for CPU
3/11/2015 5:02:20 PM | Collatz Conjecture | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
3/11/2015 5:02:20 PM | Collatz Conjecture | Server error: feeder not running

This shows that Collatz is down.
5763) Message boards : Questions and problems : Always end up on Google Home Page (Message 60859)
Posted 11 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which can still be caused by Firefox.
I've had it happen to me that any link I opened in a new tab would open the search engine, because the browser would first open the link and try to load the page, but then it instructed itself to open the default page, which was the search engine.

BOINC only follows what the browser does, it does not change anything in the browser's setup or tells the browser to go open up strange things. Unless the affected project changed all its links to one of Google, but you'd be able to check that in the account_*.xml file. Otherwise, you said yourself that you didn't update BOINC, so I don't see how this would be a BOINC problem.

What you can do:
1. Check is that the browser is set as default browser (both in the browser and in Linux).
2. Check that the project's URLs didn't change. If they did, tell the project about this.
3. Make sure the browser opens up with an empty page.
5764) Message boards : GPUs : GPUs Working? (Message 60852)
Posted 11 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I agree with Claggy, we need a lot more information from you than what you've posted thus far. You've so far only told us the BOINC version, your operating system, that you have 2 AMD GPUs and which projects you expect work from.

Nothing about the actual make and model of the GPUs in question;
which version of the drivers;
where you got the drivers from, AMD or Windows;
how BOINC is installed, user install or service;
if these projects are up and have work for the applications;
whether or not you have set in the project preferences that these GPUs can be used;
and for which science applications;

I have now added the steps program of when requesting help on these forum to this sub-forum as well, and think that the BOINC start up messages are the minimum you still need to tell us about. Probably wise to tell us what AMD GPUs they are as well, in case BOINC recognizes them as a grouped object.
5765) Message boards : Questions and problems : Always end up on Google Home Page (Message 60842)
Posted 11 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default web site that opens when you open Firefox is something that you set up in Firefox itself. So make sure that this is set to about:blank (Firefox->Options->Options->General).

BOINC does not change anything in the behaviour of the web browser. It merely uses the default browser to open pages, but if that default browser then says to open always on Google, it'll open always on Google.
5766) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 60805)
Posted 10 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.42 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.36 -> 7.4.38

  • MGR: Immediately save changes to the registry when sort column or direction is changed.
  • LOCALE: Update PO Compiler settings.
  • LOCALE: Update BOINC Manager template.
  • LOCALE: Tweak source location.
  • New files added from Pootle Demo based on templates.
  • Mac installer: Fix URL to wiki for information on GPU computing.
  • Mac installer: name install folders with "x86_64+ instead of "i686" to show that they require a 64-bit capable Mac.
  • LIB: Fix potential parser problem with applications compiled against really old BOINC API code (pre-2012).
  • MGR: Work around a probable bug in wxWidgets on Linux which prevented some wxListCtrl rows from updating.
  • MGR: Add "More info ..." hyperlink to Diagnostic Log Flags dialog; clicking it takes you to the Log Flags wiki page.
  • MGR: To allow WCG and other "branded" BOINC Managers to customize the "More info ..." hyperlink in the Diagnostic Log Flags dialog, build the URL using the value from the skin's &lt;organization_help_url&gt; field.
  • MGR: Build break fix when building with wxWidgets 3.0.2 on Linux.
  • client: add &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt; config option.
    If set, non-CPU-intensive jobs are exempted from mass suspend (e.g. suspend CPU, time of day, CPU throttling). You can still suspend them individually.
  • LIB: We do not need to log trace statements on release builds (MSVC only).
  • LIB: Reset the file buffer size to 0 after cycling the stderr log file.
  • MGR: Fix asserts under Linux: wxBG_STYLE_COLOUR does nothing under wxWidgets 3.0, is no longer supported and triggers an assert under wxGTK 3.0.2.
  • MGR: Work around a wxWidgets 3.0 bug in wxGenericListCtrl (Linux only) which causes headers to be misaligned after horizontal scrolling.
  • client: preserve min RPC time across client restart.
    David's 18 Oct 2013 commit caused the client to clear PROJECT::min_rpc_time on startup.
    This causes project-requested RPC delays to be ignored if the client is restarted. This is probably undesirable, so he undid that change.
    • Note: min_rpc_time is used for both
    a) project-requested RPC delay.
    b) exponential backoff due to server down, not work, etc.

    To him it makes sense to clear b) on restart, but not a). Maybe at some point we should separate these.
  • client: don't show error msg if fail to kill a process that already exited.
  • MGR: Reduce confusion in the attach wizard by making CWizardAttach the authoritative source for project and account information.
  • client: always show unparsed tags in config files.
  • client: parse &lt;dont_suspend_nci&gt; in cc_config.xml

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.38 -> 7.4.42


  • client: Change Windows 10's kernel detection version to 10.0 instead of 6.4.
  • client: Check for the correct SKU as well.
  • client: report error if no start tag in app_config.xml
  • client: fix bug where project erroneously marked as attached via acct mgr.
  • client: debug earlier account manager fix.
  • lib: fix incorrect parsing of &lt;max_ncpus_pct&gt; (0 means no limit)
  • client: run coprocessor tasks at higher priority even if they use >= 1 CPU.
  • MGR: Bump copyright statement in About box to 2015.
  • client: if get 417 HTTP status, switch to HTTP 1.0. 417 (Expectation Failed) probably means we're talking to a 1.0 proxy
  • SCR: Update to allow building with Xcode 6.1.1 (using Automatic Reference Counting) as well as Xcode 5.0.2.
    • Because Xcode 6.1.1 requires ARC, it builds only the 64-bit screensaver, so the screensaver can't run on OS 10.5.
    • Xcode 5.0.2 builds the screensaver without ARC, and builds a combined 32-bit and 64-bit "universal" binary which runs on OS 10.5 through the latest OS X (OS 10.10.)
  • SCR: Improve validity testing of settings on Mac Screensaver control panel.
  • SCR: Remove unused code from Mac Screensaver.
  • SCR: Fix a bug which prevented default screensaver (clientscr) from running when BOINC client was suspended.
  • WINBUILD: Change where the installer looks for the MSVC runtime the BOINC binaries are linked against.



Available installers:


Windows 7.4.42
- boinc_7.4.42_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.42_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.42
- boinc_7.4.42_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.42_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.42_i686-apple-darwin.zip

5767) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60774)
Posted 9 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You make it sound as if UTC cannot possibly be doing anything during the day. Or that the server cannot do anything during the night. It's just a time. The zero meridian.
5768) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60772)
Posted 9 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC servers run on Universal Time Coordinate (UTC), which doesn't change.
5769) Message boards : Questions and problems : Desire new option for WU: PRIORITY in addition to SUSPEND and ABORT (Message 60754)
Posted 8 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unfortunately, project administrators are only human.

Perhaps so, but you'd expect that especially on a project as old as Primegrid that there are admins there with experience in the matter. Still, it is something for the project to adjust, and so it should be reported there.
5770) Message boards : Questions and problems : Desire new option for WU: PRIORITY in addition to SUSPEND and ABORT (Message 60747)
Posted 8 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Really, when a task takes that much longer than its estimated fpops resource value says they should take, then you should ask the PROJECT to increase these values.

A priority button is not needed when projects adjust their flops value so that BOINC can more accurately estimate how long this work takes.
5771) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux directories to backup and restore before/after complete OS reinstall (Message 60724)
Posted 7 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on whether you used BOINC from the Mint repository or from Berkeley.

If Berkeley, everything is in a BOINC subdirectory in the home (~) directory. (~/BOINC/)
If repository, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu#What_the_installer_does. Yes, that's the one for Ubuntu, but Mint is based on and compatible with Ubuntu.
5772) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60718)
Posted 7 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Might help relieve some of the stress when the project is down.

Why should you have stress over the project being down?
a) there's so much else to be enjoyed in life;
b) neither your computer nor your BOINC care much;
c) there's plenty of work to be had from other projects if you so choose;
d) maybe time to invest in a real hobby, or some friends?
e) or go play a game.

I have done d) and e). Still have work aplenty in cache, because when my computer is on it mostly runs ESO. And as for d), I met a (lady-)friend this afternoon that I hadn't seen in 2 years. She's to visit us tomorrow. Can't wait. (and she's really good to look at as well. and single. ;-))
5773) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60696)
Posted 6 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My ISP updated the connection again.
Check http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4192365749. Too bad it doesn't help on downloading Seti, all I saw last night was 'no tasks available'.

Ah, and guess what the speeds are I pay for. :)
5774) Message boards : BOINC Manager : simple thing: better colouring for the statistics (Message 60694)
Posted 5 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use 256 colors for that list or 65536 if you like.

And I pointed out that after 16 colors, there are no unique colors anymore.
Especially if you go the road of 65,536. At the moment, what's available to use is 256 hues of red, 256 hues of green and 256 of blue, but each project gets its own unique color appointed that is then used in both the Disk and Statistics tabs.
5775) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60693)
Posted 5 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I bet that when you rearrange the plants in that hallway in the correct manner, that the turn style makes sense. :)
5776) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60684)
Posted 5 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You think the friction won't be too high then, such that people like Chris S and Richard H can still pass through while simultaneously pushing their rollators?
5777) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60680)
Posted 5 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's all right, I wanted to put in a revolving door anyway. :)
5778) Message boards : BOINC Manager : simple thing: better colouring for the statistics (Message 60678)
Posted 4 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
make a unique list of colors from the most different ones to the most similar ones.

That's 16 colours, including white and black before we repeat to similar style colours.



What to do when you have 50+ projects added?
5779) Message boards : BOINC Manager : simple thing: better colouring for the statistics (Message 60673)
Posted 4 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
With this "rainbow" schema, when you have many projects, colors are too similar.

That's the thing with lots of projects, there are only a limited number of true colours before they start looking like each other. The colourscheme used is the same as in the Disk tab.

Unless you know of an easier method to distinguish between different problems and still allow for future expansion of the colours used, I'm sure the developers will want to know.
5780) Message boards : Questions and problems : Want to contribute to source code (Message 60665)
Posted 4 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwareDevelopment
5781) Message boards : BOINC Manager : simple thing: better colouring for the statistics (Message 60660)
Posted 3 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already fixed in 7.4
5782) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60654)
Posted 3 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best reference page of colours and what they were for:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform
5783) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60626)
Posted 3 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think Gary meant a yeoman in TOS, perhaps one in TNG. Although there may not have been any in TNG anymore, and if there were they may have worn light blue.
5784) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60619)
Posted 2 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've just moved all the latest entries/links of music to the Youtube thread. I want to ask you to post them there directly, Mark. They've got nothing whatsoever to do in the Seti outage thread. This thread is for loose banter, not to overtake it as your personal Youtube index.
5785) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60603)
Posted 1 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, let me step onto my little podium then and ask again to clean up your language. I normally do not warn twice, Mark. No more swearing. You can type everything you want without having to swear about it as well.
5786) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60586)
Posted 1 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enough with the swearing, Mark. No more F- and S- bombs please.
5787) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60571)
Posted 1 Mar 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
(Coming off a James Bond movie marathon, if someone's wondering why I am up this late)

I checked into your posting history, and unless the offending post(s) has/have been hidden, I don't see a reason either. Maybe someone just had it in for you. You're welcome here, though. Remember where the couch is?
5788) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 60568)
Posted 28 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
And this BOINC-dev site was practically inaccessible this morning.

Whenever that happens, use the HTTPS address instead of the HTTP address. The pounding seems to happen on the HTTP address only.
5789) Message boards : Questions and problems : Voting for less popular platforms (Message 60554)
Posted 26 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My MacBook1,1 with 32-bit Intel Core Duo is stuck at Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. It's running 32-bit BOINC 7.2.42, but I would love to run a newer version of 32-bit BOINC on it, because I'm not sure it's getting all the work units that it can handle. (I'm seeing only 1 task downloaded at a time, but I would expect to see 2 tasks running and 1 waiting to run.)

If you have work request/caching problems that's more down to a wrong setting for the Store at least N days of work and Store and additional N days of work settings in the preferences.

As for why BOINC 7.4 is only 64bit, that's because Apple dropped 32bit support since OS X 10.7 (Lion). There's no use to build 32bit applications when all apps on the computer are 64bit, the OS is 64bit, the CPU is 64bit, etc.

So 7.2.42 is the last 32bit version of BOINC built for the 32bit versions of OS X. At one time support for older OSes is dropped, due to not many people running the hardware anymore.

I keep looking at the Linux downloads (both x86 and x64), and they also seem to be stuck at 7.2.42.

That's because for a long time there were problems with wxWidgets 3.0 giving errors on building BOINC 7.4 under Linux. It took several months to fix those problems, and not all distros out there have updated their wxWidgets version yet to fix these problems, so releasing a 7.4 built with wxWdigets 3.0.1 or 3.0.2 will then result in lots of people complaining about errors being thrown.
Building BOINC 7.4 with wxWidgets 2.8.0 is no option, because of some changes to the code to accommodate wxWidgets 3.0; besides it works on Windows and OS X, so it just has to be fixed in Linux.

I have an old PowerMac G4. Based on other conversations here I understand that few or no projects are handing out work units that are compatible with the Motorola G4 chip. If that changes, I'm happy to power this baby up again. I understand that its Altivec engine is quite useful for this kind of calculation, if someone cares to write for it.

Building applications and debugging them costs money. Easily done on widely used hardware/OSes, but costly if there's only a handful of them available.
Projects are also going for the faster and better GPU support, easier done.

As for the Droids, there are third party BOINC versions out there that may be able to run on them. But all these versions have the problem that they do not send the Android version back to the projects, while the projects are actively changing their back-end to get Android devices to send the Android version to them, to weed out which applications to send to them. This because of a change in how Android uses applications in 4.2 and onwards (but mostly 5.0+), which requires that projects know exactly what Android version your app runs, or else they send the wrong application which then only returns errors.

Sometimes it's better to just retire old hardware.
5790) Message boards : Questions and problems : Vbox won't stop even when boinc is stopped (Message 60552)
Posted 26 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For both, this is really something you'll have to tell the affected project(s) first, as then they can check if it's something their application does, or the BOINC wrapper. And if the latter, they'll be able to report that to the BOINC developers.

Without even a hint of which project(s) application(s) that's doing this, it's very difficult to make a guess.
5791) Message boards : Android : help finding email address from Android device config files (Message 60548)
Posted 25 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Development tells me that it isn't possible to get to the client directory without a rooted phone.
5792) Message boards : Android : help finding email address from Android device config files (Message 60547)
Posted 25 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm trying this myself as well.
Thus far did:

cd /
cd /
cd data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc
cd client

I can get all the way to data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc but not further due to permission problems.

I'll ask the developers how to get further.
5793) Message boards : Android : help finding email address from Android device config files (Message 60546)
Posted 25 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, hold on.
Seems that the remote command prompt app I pointed to makes it possible for you to contact a PC, not use it on the Android device itself.
Instead use Terminal Emulator for Android
5794) Message boards : Android : help finding email address from Android device config files (Message 60543)
Posted 25 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I said in Where is the BOINC file system on Android??
BOINC will tell you in the event log: data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc/client
Unlike Windows or Linux where the program part runs separately from the data directory, in Android it all runs from one directory.

But like under Windows, this is a hidden directory.

That does mean you cannot easily get there. It can be done when the phone is rooted, but if the user doesn't want to do that, he can use the remote command prompt, and then read this thread at StackOverflow. Probably best to copy the account*.xml files to a directory he owns on the SD card.
5795) Message boards : Questions and problems : Want to contribute to source code (Message 60540)
Posted 25 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
From http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DevProjects:

Coordinating and submitting your work

Once you pick out a task:

* Look at the source code and think about how you would implement the task.
* Read about the BOINC software and development process.
* Communicate with the area owner or David Anderson, and reach agreement on exactly what you're going to do and how. Don't start coding until you do this.
5796) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60533)
Posted 24 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, call 0800-ILostmycard
5797) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60531)
Posted 24 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who left the gate open so that spammer could come in?
I didn't give you keycards for nothing. Close the gate behind you. Please.
5798) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60519)
Posted 24 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've been dabbling with some bones, coffee grinds, crystal balls, tea leaves, Tarot cards and teleporting minds, and can tell you that chances are...

Low.



;-)
5799) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60516)
Posted 24 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oi! I was first here!

Ahem....
5800) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60508)
Posted 24 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Turns on the dust-bot (Robbie), the drinks- and refreshment bot (Inge), the chat-bot (Garth), the spam bot (Rover), the snack- and fastfood bot (Ronald) and leaves through the back door to go back to waiting for the Windows 8.1 laptop to get the 954MB update in...

Apros, the pizza bot (Luigi) is broken. Waiting for spare parts.
5801) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualLHC@home tasks fail with compute error (Message 60480)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You best ask at the project that's using their application(s) in the virtual machine.

If you still feel you want help here, you better come up with a lot more information. For hints, see https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600.
5802) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC WU on LinuxMint with NVIDIA GPU (Message 60474)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your posting is four years old.

It's not my posting. It's that of another poster. And if no one says what should be changed in it, there's no change going to happen in that thread.
5803) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screen saver again (Message 60472)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC and Seti screen savers work through the Windows Screen Saver preferences. So if they work differently than you thought you set up, best check again what the settings are under Control Panel\Appearance and Personalization\Personalization\Screen Saver

When the Windows screen saver isn't set to BOINC, neither BOINC nor Seti can ever show their screen savers.
5804) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incorrect CPU threshold (Message 60468)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That was a couple of days later, into December, so I assumed he meant January. But it hasn't happened yet.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/1373

You can wait quite a long time if you're keeping an eye on Trac. Tickets there are no longer updated. The Issues list in gitHub has taken over these tasks.

https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/1344
https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue
5805) Message boards : Questions and problems : visualizzazione analizzatore di spettro (Message 60467)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Google Translate says:
After doing the installation properly, it displays a facade with time-control project-alerts etc ..
as you get to the page display with spectrum analyzer frequency?


These messages boards are for the discussion of BOINC, not projects (such as SETI@home, World Community Grid, and so on). To discuss a project, please use its message boards.

The spectrum analyzer is part of the Seti graphics application/screen saver.
You best ask about that in the Seti Help Desk forums. Or do a search there.

You may also want to post in English, no matter how bad you're at it. There's not many people speaking, reading and typing Italian there either.

With Google Translate making that, Con Google Translate fare che:
Questi messaggi schede sono per la discussione di BOINC, non progetti (come SETI @ home, World Community Grid, e così via). Per discutere di un progetto, si prega di utilizzare le sue bacheche.

L'analizzatore di spettro è parte della grafica Seti application / screen saver.
È meglio chiedi che in forum Seti Help Desk. O fare una ricerca lì.

Si consiglia inoltre di inviare in inglese, non importa quanto male che ci sei. Non c'è molta gente parlare, leggere e digitando italiano ci sia.
5806) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC WU on LinuxMint with NVIDIA GPU (Message 60456)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best start at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6307
5807) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux Mint BOINC manager frozen (Message 60408)
Posted 19 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The original thread at the Seti forums, for more information: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76409

I emailed one of the Linux buffs, am waiting for an answer.
5808) Message boards : Questions and problems : The scheduler / credit (Message 60398)
Posted 18 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now that the forums are finally reacting a little faster again, I have forwarded that to development.
5809) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60389)
Posted 17 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all our distinguished quests:

5810) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ignoring Quake Catcher Network (Message 60388)
Posted 17 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project sends out tasks which are so called Non Computing Intensive. They do not use the CPU and run always in the background. So it is normal that they seemingly do not actively run.

The tasks on QCN are only keeping an eye on the motion detector if your computer is equipped with one, so to detect earth quakes when they happen. When your computer has no such detection by itself, it was possible to buy an external detector.
5811) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60375)
Posted 17 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Got that, in a Vaporub container. Still, as nice as it feels, first cold, then burning, then cold again, it doesn't help against the headache. ;-)

And besides, I only sneeze thus far. Aside from moments after getting up out of bed, I am not really stuffed up or spreading mucus around (sorry you who are eating for having to read that). I don't care what my voice sounds like. :)
5812) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60371)
Posted 17 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry for all the spam around here. Dunno who let those creeps in, but every day there will be one or more of them trying to post their crap. You'd think they know by now these forums are actively visited by a moderator. Sigh.

As for burning anything in my bedroom, not a good idea with two cats walking about. Besides, even I don't quite know what time I'm going to bed, so burning anything an hour prior to that, is pure guesswork.
5813) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60366)
Posted 17 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
/Sneezes for the 43rd time this hour.
/Gets a new box of Kleenex.
/Seems the Ibuprofen doesn't attack these kinds of headache.
/Uuurghshgwhsuiwj

Hey everyone!

/Oooh, do I sound that nasal?
5814) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing in app_config.xml (Message 60355)
Posted 17 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Closing tag
</app_config>
is missing.

Apropos, which BOINC?
5815) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Request; improved scheduling (Message 60342)
Posted 16 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The answer I gave in the old thread, and in the one from yesterday hasn't miraculously changed. It's on the developers their to do list with no timetable for completion (under Custom prefs: summary).
5816) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource management (Message 60341)
Posted 16 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Changing resource share and expecting BOINC to follow it takes time. Not as in 'tomorrow it will do what I tell it to', but serious time, multiple weeks, months even.
By constantly interfering, by changing resource shares wildly or suspending tasks of one project, you're making it more difficult for BOINC to try to do what you want it to do.

You will need to give BOINC time to learn how long various tasks of a project take, this can take a minimum of 11 faultless tasks, but probably more. Then both projects should have constant up-time.

It can happen that when project A is highest priority and asks for work, but its servers are down, that BOINC will then ask project B for work and load up the cache full with work for that project. Even if that project is the lowest in resource share. Next BOINC will first have to run through that cache, to get back to the low-water mark and ask for work again. Is project A still down, it'll fill up on project B again.

It may be that between these touch-ups, project A is up. BOINC will only ask for work when it reaches the minimum water mark, set by "Store at least N days of work". Normally, when both projects are up, the cache of BOINC v7 is composed of "Store at least N days of work + Store an additional N days of work" for 50% of project A, 50% of project B.

So it would be prudent to set a low cache in the days you want to have BOINC work out the resource share settings you tell it to use. Setting 10 + 10 days is just counterproductive. Set low cache, e.g. 0 + 0.1 days and keep an eye on BOINC. Do NOT interfere. That is also counterproductive. Keep an eye on the projects, do they have down time, do they have the work you tell BOINC to request?

And then in a month, see how things go. Probably a lot better than they go now.
BOINC will really do what you want it to do, as long as you can muster up the patience for it to learn.
5817) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Iexplorer.exe hard error) in windows 10 (Message 60340)
Posted 16 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Berkeley does not develop VirtualBox, the installer with a VBox version in it is just as a service in case you want to run one or more projects that require VBox. The version included is one that is tested against all projects that use VirtualBox and that's found to be stable among them and among release versions of Windows. The version included will never be the latest version available.

For any problems with VirtualBox, you best report these at their own forums, or in their Bugtracker.

Check that you still have the same problem with a newer version of VirtualBox.

Seeing how Windows 10 is still a beta, it could well be a problem with that as well, so you will also have to report this behaviour to Microsoft.
5818) Message boards : Questions and problems : Fan revs up and down (Message 60334)
Posted 15 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use eFMer's TThrottle, which can measure the temperatures of the CPU and GPU and throttle them accordingly.

BOINC will not add such an option, because the above program relies on APIs that were written specifically for Windows only. BOINC however has one source code that can be compiled into a working client for Linux, Windows and OS X. Something that isn't possible if main parts -- and throttling is a main component -- were dependent on external application programming interfaces.
5819) Message boards : Documentation : Some broken/unupdated links (Message 60333)
Posted 15 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The install wiki (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC): please update about the data directory.

I've edited the Wiki to say the directory is hidden and how to find what path it is.
The Web resources for BOINC pảticipants (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/links.php): please check the BOINC Team Leaders Forum and the United BOINC

Forwarded that to development, who fixed it.
5820) Message boards : Promotion : Using a different computing preference when the computer is not idle (Message 60329)
Posted 15 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Requested plenty of times already. It's on the developers their to do list with no timetable for completion (under Custom prefs: summary).
5821) Message boards : Android : Yandex.Store (Message 60273)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
Google and Amazon stores cover the bases.
We have no reason for us to put it in every app store, or time to do so.
Anyone else can, though.
5822) Message boards : Android : Yandex.Store (Message 60265)
Posted 12 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers have let me know that they are not adding BOINC to Yandex.Store.

Apropos, 7.4.39 is the correct version for Android versions up to and including 4.0
7.4.41 is available for Android versions 4.1 and later, and includes support for the "position-independent executable" (PIE) native-mode programs. Some projects have now released PIE based science applications.
5823) Message boards : Android : Where is the BOINC file system on Android?? (Message 60260)
Posted 12 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will tell you in the event log: data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc/client
Unlike Windows or Linux where the program part runs separately from the data directory, in Android it all runs from one directory.

But like under Windows, this is a hidden directory.
5824) Message boards : Android : Yandex.Store (Message 60259)
Posted 12 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yandex.Store is an app store for Android™ devices. It contains over 100,000 apps. You can pay with your bank card or mobile balance.
Why would we want to put the free BOINC app on a store where you have to pay for every app?

BOINC is available from the Google Play Store for Android devices, and from the Amazon app store for Kindle Fire.
5825) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60247)
Posted 11 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
$D0llArS you mean? Because it shows that they need them. Getting onto the Seti forums with mobile devices -- including the new Lenovo laptop I have bought for my mum -- is quite difficult and half the time either shows an error, or loads without CSS. Even the wired PCs have difficulty getting there.
5826) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60223)
Posted 10 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Smile, knowing that the universe smiles back.
5827) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60219)
Posted 10 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No one sleep on the floor for as long as the robot vacuum cleaner does its rounds: it may mistake your hair for dust.
5828) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems while adding a project (Message 60196)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC Account Manager may have the name of BOINC but outside that it's in no way affiliated with us. So any problem you have with it is best checked in their FAQ and if it cannot be found there, posted about in their forums.

This in case you fruitlessly sit and wait for someone to answer here, while it's very possible none of us know the answer. I sure do not offhand.
5829) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc start on boot not working correctly. (Message 60195)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I got a similar problem i didn't find in the forum.

Actually, you don't have a similar problem to the one that this thread is about. In the case of the thread, two BOINC Managers open, with only one of them working.

So I'd rather you start your own thread about your problem, and when you do that, that you at least explain to us what SaintWindows is, because I don't know and I cannot find anything about it in Google Searches.
5830) Message boards : Web interfaces : Account deletion (Message 60194)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The delete account option is available in the forum software, but it's been disabled due to possible security infringements (if your account is hacked, someone else can delete it).

It's probably easier to put garbage into the extra account and forget about it. The unique identifier is the email address, not the account's name. You can put in garbage for the email address as well on that account, as there is no external check if the email address is a correct one. So even 0@123.456 will be recognized as a good email address.

Uhm, now if you truly want rid of the account, you can always add spam into it. That's usually a good way to get rid of it. ;)
5831) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc start on boot not working correctly. (Message 60157)
Posted 7 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I log on to my system, a BOINC Manager window opens.

When in this BOINC Manager window, what version does it say it is when you go Help->About BOINC Manager?
...When I click that, a second BOINC Manager window opens and the projects and tasks are displayed there.

Similarly here, what version does this say it is when you go Help->About BOINC Manager?

I suspect you have a 32bit and a 64bit BOINC installed on your system, which live in separate program directories. the 32bit version lives by default in C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ and the 64bit version in C:\Program Files\BOINC\

It is probably possible to start a 32bit and 64bit version of BOINC Manager without these interfering with each other. Only the version whose Programs directory is stored in the registry will be able to make contact with the BOINC client in the corresponding directory and with any work in the data directory.

Also, older versions of BOINC started not from the registry as present day versions do, but using a BOINC Manager shortcut in the Startup folder in Windows Start button->All Programs->Startup
You may want to check there as well and delete any shortcuts to BOINC Manager that are there.
5832) Message boards : The Lounge : For all your kitten-sounds: Radio Sattler. (Message 60139)
Posted 5 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here's one for all cat lovers: Will a hiding box provide stress reduction for shelter cats?

Answer is Yes.
And of course, this needs a video: Lots of cats in boxes, big cats, small boxes, big boxes, small cats. All available.
One extra. Nice and relaxing. Cat in a box.
5833) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Console commands for boincmgr (Message 60136)
Posted 5 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may want to read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely first.

BOINC Manager does have command line switches, but not the --allow_remote_gui_rpc
5834) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems Installing Latest Release (Message 60114)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to your error message, you had BOINC by World Community Grid installed. They have their own client with WCG livery. It's possible you installed VBox separately from that.

When BOINC installs itself, it will check if a previous version of itself or similar is installed and if so, uninstall that previous version, using the Uninstaller of that previous version. And herein lies the problem: Windows tends to forget where it puts these files, resulting in the error message about the missing MSI file.

This can be fixed, see for steps this BOINC FAQ. In this case though you'll want to install the previous World Community Grid BOINC again. Which is probably http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/wcg_boinc_7.2.47_windows_intelx86.exe, but do check its version number if you can (old stdoutdae.txt logs in the data directory will show what version you ran last).

Also do know, that if you ran the WCG version of BOINC, that this version is 32bit only. When you now install Berkeley BOINC, and you got the 64bit version, check the installation path for the BOINC programs.

Windows does not allow 64bit programs to be run from the 32bit C:\Program Files (x86)\ directory tree. So if BOINC tries to install its programs to that directory and it's the 64bit version you have, make sure to click Advanced in the 3rd screen in the installer and change the Programs path to the 64bit C:\Program Files\BOINC\ directory.
5835) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60099)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Turns the vacuum-bot off.
Turns off the lights.
5836) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60097)
Posted 3 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Be glad. With that data move its bandwidth use there's hardly any left to download new work.
5837) Message boards : Questions and problems : connection problem (Message 60088)
Posted 3 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC.exe needs TCP port 80 and 443 open in the firewall for internet connections.
But VirtualBox installs a virtual network connection of its own. This may need a reboot of the computer to work. If you haven't tried that yet, try that first.
Also, VirtualBox is only really needed if you plan on running any of the projects (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/VirtualBox#BOINC_projects_with_VM_apps) that use VirtualBox. If you do not, it's not needed and you can uninstall VirtualBox, then in the future just upgrade BOINC using the installer without VirtualBox.
5838) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60086)
Posted 3 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Brings a hammer, some 7 inch nails and a Unicorn Premier Home Dartboard, Cabinet and Darts set for Gary. Forgot those earlier, sorry.
Puts a couple of card- and other games down for all the Davids we have around here.

Chris wrote:
Made your will?

I heard her sing before. Wish I could find the video. It's good for if you want the wall paper to come down, like in my kitchen.

:-)

I like you, Es. Don't hurt me too much.
5839) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 60077)
Posted 3 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Turns on the vacuum-robot, it starts whizzing about the floor. Let's see if it does a better job than Chris.
Plugs the Kärcher WV 50 Plus window washer into the wall socket so it's ready when Julie walks in.
Puts all glasses in the Classeq ECO 3 Glasswasher, so there's enough clean glasses when Mark returns.
Tunes the piano, for Es.
Puts bowls filled with packets of ear-plugs on the bar, for people not wanting to hear Es sing.
Puts bowls of peanuts on the bar. They look like the ear-plugs but I'm sure that people know the difference.
Turns the barstools over.
Puts wood and fire starters in the hearth, lights. Nice.

Walks off to put dinner on the table. Later all.
5840) Message boards : Questions and problems : Amazon AWS setup (Message 60073)
Posted 3 Feb 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Im trying to run:
boinccmd [hostname] [passwd] join_acct_mgr {URL} {name} {passwd}

The usage of BOINCCMD is:
boinccmd [--host hostname] [--passwd passwd] command

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool for all the correct commands. All commands are preceded by a double hyphen '--'.

So in this case it would probably be:
boinccmd --host {IP address of the server} --passwd {the password from gui_rpc_auth.cfg} --join_acct_mgr {URL of the Account Manager} {your name at the account manager} {your password at the account manager}

Everything between braces '{}' is added without the braces.
5841) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 10 : unable to merge the newest 9926 build with older build (Message 60053)
Posted 30 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The recognition is already fixed in the source code for a new client, but there's none built yet.

* client: Change Windows 10's kernel detection version to 10.0 instead of 6.4.
5842) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.4.36 - Q and A - Waiting for memory !!! (Message 60050)
Posted 29 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adjust the preference settings for:
Use at most N% of memory when computer is in use.
Use at most N% of memory when computer is idle.
5843) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Guide] Saving processor time in BOINC (Message 60049)
Posted 29 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because you'll have to do this each time for every task that starts anew, you'd better use a third party application to throttle the CPU. In this case, Threadmaster and TThrottle come to mind.
5844) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 7 + BOINC + seti@home (Message 60048)
Posted 29 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm about 99.9983742901% sure that the Windows installer restarts boinctray.exe these days.
5845) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 7 + BOINC + seti@home (Message 60046)
Posted 29 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
mouse/trackpad movement

What do you have, a laptop or notebook?
Only a trackpad/touchpad or also a separate mouse?
Which Windows?
In Computer Management->Device Manager->Properties of the mouse/trackpad->Power management, are these allowed to wake the computer up?

Is BOINC set to run based on preferences?
5846) Message boards : BOINC client : BM Not Adhering to app_config.xml Settings for CPU and GPU Usage (Message 60045)
Posted 29 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.4.38 would've had client: always show unparsed tags in config files. Problem is, 7.4.38 was either never built, or never released for testing, so we're still waiting for this code to come to a real live bouncing baby BOINC.
5847) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win7 not shutting down and not locking after updating BOINC (Message 60044)
Posted 29 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've forwarded this to the developers, let's see if they can come up with a hint.
5848) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use GPU when the computer is used" not working anymore (Message 60033)
Posted 28 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
This log snippet doesn't show anything is running either, so for all we know the message was already given. Best to completely exit BOINC, wait a minute, then restart it. Then leave running for 10 minutes, while you do what you normally do on the computer, and then look at the log, and if need be post it completely.
5849) Message boards : The Lounge : For all your kitten-sounds: Radio Sattler. (Message 60031)
Posted 28 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not so much a Kitten sound, but one close to Mark's heart anyway: Zombie Cat: Buried Kitty Believed Dead, Meows Back to Life.
5850) Message boards : The Lounge : What software does this forum run on? (Message 60026)
Posted 28 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Addendum, the forum software as it runs on the BOINC forums here is a bit different from that of any project, wherein it doesn't have all the links into the databases, as we don't have credit or anything scientific around here.

I'm sure that if you email Dr. Anderson that he can tell you in detail how to set it up like this.
5851) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use GPU when the computer is used" not working anymore (Message 60019)
Posted 28 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
"suspending" and "resuming" will be shown when the &lt;cpu_sched&gt; debug flag in cc_config.xml is enabled. Use the Advanced->Event Log Diagnostic Flags (or CTRL+SHIFT+F) window to activate.
5852) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking a time out (Message 59973)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Burial is on Friday afternoon. But guess what? It's Winter around these parts, and while it was 7C today and will be tomorrow, by Friday we're in another cold-spell and they expect yet more snow. I can handle snow, don't get me wrong, but not when I have to drive 300 kilometers to the service and afterwards those 300 kilometers back again. Not with a diabetic mother.

So I'm trying to persuade her that we'll be able to visit the grave outside of snow-season.
5853) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win7 not shutting down and not locking after updating BOINC (Message 59966)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any mention of a reason in Windows Event Viewer?

All default update settings, I just 'click through'.

But does that mean you installed as a service, or as a user installation?
Have you moved the install paths to elsewhere?
Did you install at any time a 32bit version of BOINC and later updated that to 64bit?
Also, is this BOINC with VirtualBox or without?
5854) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking a time out (Message 59952)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
My great aunt Gré has also passed away, last night in her sleep. There's more mourning in our family.
5855) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks being drawn from newly added projects (Message 59927)
Posted 22 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because we Lunatics recommend that users free a CPU core when running OpenCL GPU apps

That's fine, but as I read jay_e's post he's not saying that. As I read it, he's running a WU on the CPU that assists the GPU: and having a WU running on the CPU to assist the GPU

Which is why I am asking for clarification. Because if he's running one task on the GPU and one task on the CPU that assists the GPU, then you don't need an application configuration file for that. That's default behaviour. (He doesn't say how many CPU cores he has)
5856) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks being drawn from newly added projects (Message 59921)
Posted 22 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know I saw this somewhere...
I have an AMD/ATI card and wrote up an app_config.xml file that limits me to only 1 task running in the GPU at a time, and having a WU running on the CPU to assist the GPU.

I have to ask, could you clarify why you do this? It's the default way that BOINC runs things, one task on any GPU and one task per CPU core. No need to write an app_info.xml file for that.
5857) Message boards : Projects : Project Retirement Policy (Message 59905)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for the policy used by Dr. Anderson to put projects on the list, it's about as I said earlier. Only after Dr. Anderson has had contact with the project administration and he's convinced that they're doing what they say they're doing, as well as practice security, and possibly other criteria, will he add that project to the lists.

When any of you users find a dead link, a changed link or other weird stuff going on that you think needs communicated, can you always email Dr. Anderson. As long as you make it through the spam filter, will he always make time to answer you in person.

Cruncher Pete has gotten an account on the User Wiki and is able to edit the list and any page in there at his heart's content.

I'm going back to being away until next Monday.
5858) Message boards : Projects : Project Retirement Policy (Message 59904)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dr. Anderson never received your emails. They were probably caught by the anti-spam filter. If it's the same filter that Eric Korpela uses, you have to email him first with just a small email, wait for the answer from the spam filter, then email again with the answer from the filter that's in that email. Only then will you be on the 'allowed list' and can you email in full.

Edit: David tells me he's using the Barracuda spam filter that the SSL uses. It catches 99.91% of the spam, and sometimes also non-spam.

I have forwarded Dr. Anderson what you wrote, if you want to you can PM me your email address, so I can forward that to him and he can answer you in person. He always answers people in person, as long as they make it through the filter.

Edit: he has emailed boboviz himself with answers to the mail as posted in this thread.
5859) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59887)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well crap. I just read that GTA V for the PC, which was supposed to be released next Tuesday is postponed to the 24th of March 2015. Sigh.

I have fun with the "Can you run it" tool which tells me that the HD 7800 series GPU I have isn't going to cope with their 'recommended' setting:
Recommended: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2GB / AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB
You Have: AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
Upgrade suggested!


Sigh, tools.
Even BOINC recognizes what I have. Well, sort of:
CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1642.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1642.5), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)


It's a HD7870 2GB.
5860) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59884)
Posted 20 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can anyone dream up a situation where a green link, or a blue button, might be called for?

More peaceful on the eyes when you last look around the forums on the smartphone prior to turning it off and shutting your eyes? Therefore, I'll try to find a less harsh than that white colour that's comprising the background.
5861) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59882)
Posted 20 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Green buttons do an action.
Blue links take you to another page.

And y'all shouldn't complain. You should see this in moderator mode, with the allotment of extra buttons. Green everywhere. ;)

@Julie, it wasn't me, nuh-uh!
5862) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking a time out (Message 59859)
Posted 20 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
One burial was today, that's done.

The next is a cremation and that is on Saturday. 99% chance we're not going there due to expected weather (snow) and the problem that the ceremony starts at 12.30pm, a time my mother as a diabetic needs to take her insulin and then immediately eat. Seeing how my aunt had 15 brothers and there'll be all of the rest of my uncle's family as well, that's too much for her. I'd rather bring her over to my uncle at a later date, for a private visit.

Me myself, I never felt too much acquainted with that side of the family, so it doesn't hurt me as much.

So the rest of the week I can now spend on finding mum a good tablet for when her internet is going to be connected next week. Another challenge, getting a frail 75 year old with just one working hand to use the internet.

Ah and of course get some colour schemes together which you then can use at the forums here.
5863) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59857)
Posted 20 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
So no red, purple, orange and yellow on black then? Too bad... :p
5864) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59855)
Posted 20 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a change inspired by the colouring of the buttons in the Twitter Bootstrap which uses button colours to denote various things. It's not finished yet, I'm trying to find fun colours for the backgrounds as well.

In the mean time though, anyone see a problem with the Author column and with the Private Messages screen?
5865) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking a time out (Message 59833)
Posted 19 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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Thanks all. We have a couple of people passed away in the family. Since they were living all over the country (really, one 4 hours away north, one 1.5 hours away west) we're just glad they didn't choose to be buried/cremated at the same time. (thin smile)

I have another aunt who's on her death bed, but has been there for a week now. She also turned 92 in the mean time.

All of these deaths are taking quite a bit of energy away from my already fragile mother, which is why these forums are really not at the front of my attention. I did read all the accusations of Cruncher Pete and have given him a PM with the urging request to take firm steps back away from here for as long as I am not here. There's no need for further fights on here.

Seeing that even though all of this I seem to be the only moderator on duty around here, I think my option is going to be to give time outs to people misbehaving themselves. Your choice if you want a week, 2 or 4.

Oh and Mark, sorry to see you go, but I expect you back within 24 hours. (another thin smile)
5866) Message boards : The Lounge : Taking a time out (Message 59806)
Posted 18 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to family circumstances, I am taking some time away from the forums and all. See you all after the break.

Oh, and behave all.
5867) Message boards : The Lounge : The Radio Kitty youtube thread.... (Message 59776)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Especially for all those who need it. This policeman in Dover, Delaware "Shake's it Off" in style: http://youtu.be/8XFBUM8dMqw

I know you secretly sing along there...
5868) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59771)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
For once, I do think I have somewhat of an agenca/
You can piss me off, or you can be supportive.
Now it's YOUR choice. buddy.
YOurs.

Yes, that's something you should do: threaten your host.
Well, it's simple then. You can be pissed off for being told to take it easy, or you can go take the advice and take it easy. No, I'm not swinging a club at you. Even though there's probably plenty of people out there now sitting fingers crossed you've gone too far here as well.

Ah, do know, I am not the only person with a moderator title around here. Not that it's too busy in the stream of complaints, but then I suppose it's still early.
5869) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59768)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think it's time you took some time out, Mark. You're making even less sense than you normally do on a Saturday.
5870) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weird issue with starting just downloaded high priority WUs (Message 59767)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the logs...

Which are where?

Which were open in front of me as I was typing that.

I mean, if you talk about them, why not post them?
They'll probably still be available in the stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old file in your data directory. Logs on their own tell more than you trying to explain what you interpret from them.

If you want to, you can turn on debug switches that show more detail through the Event Log Diagnostic Flags option. The flags and their meaning are explained at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Logging_flags. Do know that some can rapidly fill a log, and the log file is by default only 2MB big. This can be increased through the client configuration file's options, if need be.
5871) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59756)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've had your one swear word of the day allowance.
5872) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc destroying wifi (Message 59746)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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And which ones are allowed to fetch work?
Which ones have work?
How did you check that you had so many ports open?

What if you do the following:
- Start -> search cmd.exe (enter)
- In the command line window type netstat -n >> c:\temp\net1.txt (Enter)
- Use Windows Explorer to navigate to C:\temp\ and find net1.txt
- Open this with Notepad.
- Copy its contents and post them here (please leave all IP addresses intact).

You can do this twice:
Once after a computer reboot, with only BOINC open.
Once after having used the computer for a bit, and have your normal use of programs open. Second time rename the file to net2, as the command can't overwrite a file.
5873) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weird issue with starting just downloaded high priority WUs (Message 59745)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the logs...

Which are where?
By the way, the latest recommended version is 7.4.36

Also, unless you run with &lt;cpu_sched_debug&gt; and at least 7.4.28, you won't see that tasks run high priority anymore. This because of a change to 7.4.23 that had: Manager: omit ", high priority" from task status. This makes it sound like BOINC is running the job at high OS priority.
5874) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc destroying wifi (Message 59743)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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BOINC by itself will open three connections, one on TCP port 80, one on TCP port 443 and one on TCP port 31416.
Ports 80 and 443 are used for communications with projects, port 31416 is used for RCP communication on the local network (127.0.0.1) between BOINC its parts.

You said:
I tried setting network usage limits and uninstalling Boinc, but nothing has worked so far.

If uninstalling BOINC does not matter, it's not BOINC that's doing this.

It could be a project that BOINC is running is doing this, but you omitted to say which projects you have.
Another thing that will open a massive amount of ports is a peer to peer file sharing program, such as uTorrent, Vuze, Bittorrent, Limeware, Kazaa, eMule, etc.
And of course, it could well be that your computer is infected with a virus, Trojan or other malware.
5875) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use GPU when the computer is used" not working anymore (Message 59701)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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I've asked the developer to look in.
5876) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use GPU when the computer is used" not working anymore (Message 59699)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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7.4.27 had that bug, 7.4.36 should have it fixed.
It works for me:







5877) Message boards : Projects : Project Retirement Policy (Message 59697)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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Jord, Please clarify your statements for I am not sure if I am reading the meanings of it correctly.

Which statements, of what? Because quoting my complete post and then adding something to the bottom is not making it clear to me what you want clarified. Then quote what you want clarified or added statements to.
5878) Message boards : Projects : Project Retirement Policy (Message 59696)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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Even MindModeling and RNA has BETA in their name if you go to their page.

Their owners have asked that their project was added to the list. Simple as that. They've been sturdy, available enough to be granted that place. They also have results and papers to show with lots of outcomes of what people's computers have crunched.
5879) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem: Boinc doesn't save taks when computer is shut down (Message 59695)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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Please open BOINC Manager->Tools->Advanced view->Tasks tab->Check that you have a button stating "Show Active Tasks". If you have a button showing "Show All Tasks" press it. This button shows the option you have, not the state it is in.

If that button shows "Show active tasks", then check in the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) what it says around a time that you restart the computer.

You may also want to get the habit to completely exit BOINC before you restart the computer. That way it isn't forcibly turned off, but has time to save its state and that of any task to disk.
5880) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use GPU when the computer is used" not working anymore (Message 59694)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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The only option would be to suspend GPU calculation all the time until I'm home, and suspend it again when I leave...

The default setting for the GPU is that it's only used when the computer is idle. Setting it to be used always will invoke the behaviour you describe. So if others use the computer, but you did not allow them to control BOINC, set the GPU's use back to "Only use GPU when the computer is idle". Then it'll only run after a time set that no one is touching the mouse or keyboard.
5881) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suggestions For New Or Updated Features (Message 59667)
Posted 15 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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The only recent change to the Statistics and Disk views was the relatively recent addition of a right hand side scroll bar - but these two tabs still need a good overhaul, as they are stuck in the 1990's design wise.

...and let's hope they get a new designer to code something a bit better for next year... :)

The Disk and Statistics tabs have just had overhauls. The Disk tab has had new colouring, it will get the alphabetizing of the project names. The Statistics tab will get the alphabetizing of the names, and it just had the addition of zooming and the crosshair (although this function is broken on Windows, possibly due to wxWidgets being broken in this).

If you do not like how it looks, there's nothing standing in your way to make changes to the source code and compile your own BOINC and BOINC Manager. You can also switch to using third party managers, such as BOINCView and BOINcTasks.

As a bit of a warning: it is uncalled for to add a comment like you did about the designer. For really, if you cannot do any better yourself, you have no right to be so caustic about it. The smiley did not help.
5882) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suggestions For New Or Updated Features (Message 59663)
Posted 14 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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1) Isn't it about time that BOINC Manager can "auto-update" itself, whenever a new version is available? How difficult can it be to download a new version, suspend the WU's, update itself and then restart the WU's?

Part of the code is available in the source code but it isn't finished. David Anderson on this: We never finished that feature, in part because we realized that it would be a security risk: if hackers break into the BOINC server they could use auto-update to distribute malware.

2) Isn't it about time that BOINC Manager supported "in-app" editing of config and app XML files?

From BOINC 7.4 the Activity menu contains the Event Log Diagnostic Flags option with which users can easier add debug flags. This window's use will possibly be increased in the future to allow for setting of options as well. The Tools->Computing preferences window has the exclusive applications option, this one may be adjusted in the future to allow for setting the exclusive GPU applications as well.

1) In the "Statistics" tab view, how are the project names sorted, as they seem arranged haphazardly to me...so, a nice "sort" function would be useful here.

The Projects in the Projects tab, the Statistics tab and the Disk tab, and in the &lt;work_fetch&gt; debug flag will be ordered according to the alphabet in a next BOINC version. See this commit added 4 weeks ago.
5883) Message boards : Questions and problems : One task will not complete (Message 59650)
Posted 14 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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BOINC is just the managing program, it doesn't do any of the science. So when the science application doesn't stop at the end of the task, you'll have to report this to the developers of that project, and ask them for what to do next. In this case, I will refer you to the ATLAS@Home forums.
5884) Message boards : Questions and problems : stop one specific project on schedule, keep others running (Message 59647)
Posted 14 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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Additional info on QuakeCatcherNetwork, news arrived yesterday that this project will be dropped from the BOINC add project wizard, because it's on its last legs. It's completely out of funding and running on fumes. Its servers may be turned off any day now.
5885) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Use GPU when the computer is used" not working anymore (Message 59629)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Simple check first: In Activity menu, what's your setting for the GPU? It should be Run based on preferences.
5886) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59622)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
€170? For gas alone... That's expensive!

No, that includes electricity. But still no fun to find each January that the company increases these advances and it's not even necessary. For the past 4 years I had money back at the end of the year.

It's gas for cooking and heating. Insulation? Pah, it's a 1960's corner-flat. we should be glad to have central heating, as the rest of the flats have a gas stove in the living room only, and the rest of their rooms is about as warm as it is outside.
5887) Message boards : Questions and problems : Just Received Virus Warning About BOINC.EXE (Message 59610)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
In 99.99% of the cases this is a false positive, because the anti-virus product finds that some routine in the project's science application looks suspicious.
Which is why we advise people to exclude their BOINC Data directory from being actively scanned by anti-virus and other anti-malware products and to only scan the data directory with BOINC not running.

When you tell which AV product you use, someone will be able to tell you how to exclude BOINC its data directory from being scanned by it.
If you do not trust it, you can check through https://www.virustotal.com/ if it's only you or if it's also found to be affected by their list of 50+ scanners.
Also report this on the project's forums, in this case it looks like ClimatePrediction.net.

In the 0.01% chance it is infected, it usually got infected on your system.
Both BOINC and the project's servers run Linux, not impossible to infect by outside forces, but highly unlikely.

Edit: I have written down for a lot of AV products how to exclude the data directory.
5888) Message boards : Questions and problems : 13.01.2015 18:12:20 | SETI@home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for 06no10ac.6881.24564.438086664204.12.147_0 (Message 59599)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Open BOINC Manager->Advanced->Event Log Diagnostic Flags->uncheck &lt;coproc_debug&gt;->OK.
5889) Message boards : BOINC client : Suggestion: Perform resource share calculations on the local machine (Message 59592)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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BOINC Manager is the graphical user interface, that allows you to command and control the BOINC client. BOINC Manager on its own makes no command decisions.

But as you have been told many times now, your problem stems from elsewhere, from your demand to run a cache with 10 days worth of work, when Seti cannot fulfill that demand due to them having a 100 task limit in place. Aside from varying deadlines.

You can continue to post your complaint in all forums we have, but in the end it is you who has to change your settings, or your choice of projects. And else... there's always the source code, now also available at Github. Download, change to your heart's content, compile and run your own MOINC.
5890) Message boards : Projects : Project Retirement Policy (Message 59590)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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Dumb question, how do the stats sites learn what the new projects are if they aren't announced to the world?

How do individual users figure this out? There's plenty of posts about new projects in this forum alone, most of which seem too obscure to poke with a stick, quite many of them dead and gone as well.

So the stats sites will probably do it that way as well, users post about the project and ask that statistics get added.
5891) Message boards : Questions and problems : connecting boinc client to a server (Message 59588)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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boinccmd --create_account http://http://ec2-54-149-156-24.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com/gridify/ <my email> <password> <name>

Proofreading I see you used http:// twice. Did you do so when actually using the command as well?
5892) Message boards : Projects : Project Retirement Policy (Message 59582)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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My concern is that these lists are not updated, possibly because there is no real policy about what is considered active, inactive, or Retired project.

Mon, 5 Jan 2015, BOINC web: remove SIMAP from project list
Thu, 18 Dec 2014, Add FiND@Home to project list
Sun, 11 May 2014, delete dead projects from project list

Since currently 27 so called Active projects are missing from the list

Only projects that have a public production status, who have announced to the world (through e.g. the boinc_projects email list) about who they are and what they plan to do, who have a budget of sorts and who have a good description in English on their web site, are considered active and eligible for the list. Projects with an Alpha, Beta, test or whatever other status, and who don't advertise their presence to the world, plus those who leave everything on their web site in their mother tongue language aren't really considered. No matter how long they've been throwing out work.

My suggestion is to create an official policy to remove a project from our list of Active Projects after a reasonable time during which a project manager would have time to advice the users in their News Section what is going on.

All nice and well, but who is going to do all this extra work of constantly checking if a project is still within those set boundaries? You do not expect the developers to do so, do you? As they have plenty of other stuff on their hands. Oh, but wait, you do:
As regards the list as promulgated by BOINC, I would like somebody to oversea {sic} it to make sure it is up to date I am sure somebody will have time to maintain it if we have a policy to follow.
5893) Message boards : Projects : Project Retirement Policy (Message 59581)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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ABC@Home has not exported stats for 223 days and its webpage is inaccessible.

I can get to http://abcathome.com/ and have read this long running thread, in which Alyssa Milburn only last October updated: We have a meeting on Monday. I'm in Amsterdam nowadays, and kind of busy there, but I think I'm the only one who is going to be able to work on this, and I don't want the project to vanish, so I think the result will be that I'll have to find the time myself. I think we should have all the IT dept stuff dealt with then. I realise it's a crappy situation; I was hoping there'd be someone in Leiden's math department who was interested in working on this (we *do* still have a budget available), especially since it's so close to being useful again.

So I wouldn't write off this project yet.

DISTRrtGEN has not issued any WU's since Apr 2014 and there is no News about its future intentions.

Plus its forums are overrun by spammers of all plumage, I agree this one seems dead in the water. Will forward that one.
5894) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59580)
Posted 13 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers want to know of a way to reproduce what you see, so if you could be so kind and post steps for that?

In the mean time, I have a couple of questions about your first post, in which you wrote:
I changed on several projects my resource share over BAM. At the project websites the new resource share is shown correctly.
But when I update the project in BOINC, the resource share is still the old one.
Looking into the scheduler reply, the new resource share is provided to BOINC, but it's ignored.

a) Are you still using BAM as your AM? As when you do, you'd have a Sync option, not the Update per project option. Use the Sync option to synchronize the RS values.
b) Can you check if there is a scheduler_reply_*.xml file for BAM and what its contents are?
5895) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot Find BOINC.MSI (Message 59564)
Posted 11 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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See the Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name BOINC FAQ for more information.
5896) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 50%-100% CPU usage (Message 59561)
Posted 11 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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First off, with a signature like that I can only assume that you are a spammer. I'd appreciate it if you took it away. Don't add it to your profile or as the account URL either, as then your account will be auto-banned by the anti-spam script within 24 hours.

Second, if you are genuinely asking if this is normal, then I can say that yes it's normal. It's the way that BOINC uses the the throttle function. For all the timings, see this BOINC FAQ.
5897) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59556)
Posted 11 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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Having a bit of a struggle to get the developers to see the necessity of a debug flag that shows the actual resource share values, because they tell me you can see that in the properties of the projects (BOINC Manager, Projects tab, select any project, Properties).

I'm telling them that that's part of the problem, as when the value there and the value in the RS column in the Projects tab, and the value in the start up messages is all the same wrong value, then how can we show that it's the wrong value, or that BOINC may not be using the correct value? LOL, not that a debug flag will necessarily change anything in that. ;-)
5898) Message boards : GPUs : Boinc is unable to find GPU using open source ATI/AMD radeon driver (Message 59541)
Posted 11 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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I found this on the Seti forums, may be of help.

I find that BOINC has difficulty accessing the X server for AMD GPUs.

xhost +si:localuser:boinc

This is supposed to enable X access for BOINC, but I have trouble getting it to work properly so I just disable access restrictions altogether.

xhost +

Restart BOINC after doing so and it should detect the GPU(s).
5899) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59539)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
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rsf look to be in the ratio of my resource shares, but if they're supposed to be "resource share fraction" (as the variable name suggests), shouldn't they add up to unity?

For my projects it adds up to 31.25, which is a rather weird value.

I do see that when the RS is zero, the first unnamed value (before rsf) gets to be -1000.000000, while if it's more than zero, that value is -0.000000
5900) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59537)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, also forwarded.

And thanks Richard for the quick source code check.
5901) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59534)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any idea then what the "rs" stands for in priority_debug?

Apropos, I did forward the resource share problem to the developers, including the question that we get a debug flag if none exists.
5902) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59528)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I meant the list of projects from the start up messages (Event Log, CTRL+SHIFT+E), e.g. mine. And no, unless you have only a handful (and not 50 like in my case) I don't need all of them. I'm still looking for which debug flag shows the RS values. Anyone want to chime in?

10/01/2015 18:34:28 | ABC@home | URL http://abcathome.com/; Computer ID 130130; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Constellation | URL http://aerospaceresearch.net/constellation/; Computer ID 3228; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Albert@Home | URL http://albert.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 835; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | AQUA@home | URL http://aqua.dwavesys.com/; Computer ID 52191; resource share 600
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | rosetta@home | URL http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 1302598; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project | URL http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/; Computer ID 6; resource share 1000
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | DrugDiscovery | URL http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/; Computer ID 4279; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Poem@Home | URL http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/; Computer ID 73681; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Leiden Classical | URL http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/; Computer ID 78355; resource share 700
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | OPTIMA@HOME | URL http://boinc.isa.ru/dcsdg/; Computer ID 272; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Evo@Home | URL http://boinc.run.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/evo/; Computer ID 2986; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Collatz Conjecture | URL http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/; Computer ID 30730; resource share 750
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | The Lattice Project | URL http://boinc.umiacs.umd.edu/; Computer ID 66401; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Biochemical Library | URL http://boinc.vanderbilt.edu/bcl/; Computer ID 2521; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | boincsimap | URL http://boincsimap.org/boincsimap/; Computer ID 199453; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | BURP | URL http://burp.renderfarming.net/; Computer ID 51222; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | QuantumFIRE alpha | URL http://cah.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/; Computer ID 5006; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | climateprediction.net | URL http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID 1082510; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | convector.fsv.cvut.cz | URL http://convector.fsv.cvut.cz/; Computer ID 3981; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | CPDN Beta | URL http://cpdnbeta.oerc.ox.ac.uk/; Computer ID 2486; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Rectilinear Crossing Number | URL http://dist.ist.tugraz.at/cape5/; Computer ID 70163; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | DNA@Home | URL http://dnahome.cs.rpi.edu/dna/; Computer ID 3546; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | DNETC@HOME | URL http://dnetc.net/; Computer ID 21558; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Docking | URL http://docking.cis.udel.edu/; Computer ID 95753; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 4216333; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | eon2 | URL http://eon.ices.utexas.edu/eon2/; Computer ID 15901; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Ideologias@Home | URL http://falua.cesfelipesegundo.com/Ideologias/; Computer ID 1552; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Hydrogen@Home | URL http://hydrogenathome.org/; Computer ID 17786; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | BOINC alpha test | URL http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/; Computer ID 5019; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | VirtualLHC@home | URL http://lhcathome2.cern.ch/test4theory/; Computer ID 8135; resource share 50
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | LHC@home 1.0 | URL http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/; Computer ID 9929905; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Milkyway@Home | URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 188081; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | MindModeling@Beta | URL http://mindmodeling.org/beta/; Computer ID 17020; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Moo! Wrapper | URL http://moowrap.net/; Computer ID 2869; resource share 5
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | orbit@home | URL http://orbit.psi.edu/oah/; Computer ID 33072; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Pirates@Home | URL http://pirates.spy-hill.net/; Computer ID 70928; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | QMC@HOME | URL http://qah.uni-muenster.de/; Computer ID 172205; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Quake-Catcher Network | URL http://qcn.stanford.edu/sensor/; Computer ID 15490; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Radioactive@Home | URL http://radioactiveathome.org/boinc/; Computer ID 109; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 6065655; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Spinhenge@home | URL http://spin.fh-bielefeld.de/; Computer ID 193442; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | surveill@home | URL http://surveill.dei.uc.pt/surveill/; Computer ID 12653; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | correlizer | URL http://svahesrv2.bioquant.uni-heidelberg.de/correlizer/; Computer ID 3370; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | SZTAKI Desktop Grid | URL http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/; Computer ID 332526; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | VolPEx | URL http://volpex.cs.uh.edu/VCP/; Computer ID 3897; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | WUProp@Home | URL http://wuprop.boinc-af.org/; Computer ID 73822; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | chess960@home alpha | URL http://www.chess960athome.org/alpha/; Computer ID 67055; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Cosmology@Home | URL http://www.cosmologyathome.org/; Computer ID 96113; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Enigma@Home | URL http://www.enigmaathome.net/; Computer ID 30352; resource share 0
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Magnetism at home | URL http://www.fti.dn.ua/magnetism/; Computer ID 16683; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | GPUGRID | URL http://www.gpugrid.net/; Computer ID 103733; resource share 100
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | malariacontrol.net | URL http://www.malariacontrol.net/; Computer ID 163245; resource share 0
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | PrimeGrid | URL http://www.primegrid.com/; Computer ID 154076; resource share 800
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | yoyo@home | URL http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/; Computer ID 56767; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | Renderfarm.fi | URL http://www.renderfarm.fi/; Computer ID 6181; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | RNA World | URL http://www.rnaworld.de/rnaworld/; Computer ID 12702; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | uFluids | URL http://www.ufluids.net/; Computer ID 120727; resource share 400
10/01/2015 18:34:28 | World Community Grid | URL http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID 1274105; resource share 0
5903) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59527)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I red X this post. Mods shouldn't take advantage of their power of observation. :)

/Bad Seti moderator mode: Shall I push the button? Rahahahahahi!
5904) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59524)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, no, no, post 2000 in this thread is mine...
5905) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59519)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post that part of the log, so we can see which number values you're talking about? And also tell what values you changed them to?
5906) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resource shares aren't updated (Message 59511)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do they show correctly in the list of projects attached to that BOINC when you exit & restart BOINC and look at the startup messages?
5907) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59503)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well congrats. Not sure if Isaac can get used to not being used that much anymore. ;-)
5908) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59460)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
That would be nice, but some of us are more concerned with how we are going to pay for our gas bill right now.

Ugh, don't start. My company just increased me from a €115.- a month cash advance to a €170.- a month cash advance just because they expect this to be a brutal winter. 3 days of snow == a brutal winter. It's 12 Celsius (53.6 F) at the moment, and it's coming up to 11pm. In winter. A brutal winter.
5909) Message boards : GPUs : Boinc is unable to find GPU using open source ATI/AMD radeon driver (Message 59439)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you read https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:AMD_fglrx and https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:ATI_troubleshooting?

The AMD Linux Installer supports your OS.
5910) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59436)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure where Chris holds house in the UK, but it's pretty stormy weather there with power outages, floods and more such fun.
5911) Message boards : GPUs : Boinc is unable to find GPU using open source ATI/AMD radeon driver (Message 59435)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want full help, tell us at least which Linux distro you use.

The AMD HD7860 and HD7870 can be used by projects to run work on. But then it does need CAL or OpenCL detection, which is in the drivers. Drivers are normally found at the GPU manufacturer site, in this case http://support.amd.com/en-us/download (Desktop Graphics, Radeon HD, Radeon HD7xxx PCIe Series, and your OS of choice).
5912) Message boards : Questions and problems : Einstein@Home cannot upload result ~~~ (Message 59430)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
....since I don't see any related announcement on Einstein@Home message board.

A whole thread about it here on the Einstein boards.
5913) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1321. Installing BOINC when ".scr" files cannot be created/updated/etc. (Message 59423)
Posted 8 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, you could do messy and use the administrative install option /a on the installer's executable, but then BOINC won't be installed, it's you who then decides which files to take and overwrite.

See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa367988%28v=vs.85%29.aspx and http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa367541%28v=vs.85%29.aspx for info on that.

In the mean time, I have forwarded your plight to the developers. Perhaps that they can come up with a way to circumvent this.
5914) Message boards : Projects : WCG Fight Aids at Home (Message 59418)
Posted 8 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, and that's not something that the core client configuration file, nor the application configuration file is for either. If it isn't already an option in the project's project preferences to choose which app you want, you can ask at the project if they could be so gallant to add that option. It's available in the back-end code.
5915) Message boards : Android : Adding projects not on the list (Message 59415)
Posted 8 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depending on the device you have...

If you have buttons on the device and they work: BOINC, hamburger (three horizontal stripes) next to Tasks, Projects, hamburger button on your phone, add a project by URL.
If you do not have buttons on the device, or you do but they don't work: BOINC, Projects Tab, right corner where pause, a + and 3 vertical dots, the latter is add a project by URL.

It depends on Android version what is used. Some Android versions still use the buttons at the bottom of the device, others do not.
5916) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59410)
Posted 8 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was hoping that the additional information might help sooth some of the grumbling going on.

lol, that's not grumbling, that's people who don't know what to do with their lives. I was sitting here shaking my head in wonder of those posts. And figuring that if you felt so strongly about it, that the first thing you'd do then was rip out the checkbook and write them a massive donation, before telling them that you were coming over with lots of helpful and knowledgeable volunteers to do an Extreme Makeover, Seti Edition.

But alas, I can only dream. :)
5917) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC GPU recognition under PCLinuxOS (Message 59401)
Posted 7 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you don't mind doing a lot of reading, start at http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=10727 and http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=10583.
5918) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS X 10.10.1 and proxies (Message 59382)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have reinstalled V7.4.36 to check something out and find I can receive and I believe send jobs from World Community Grid but not pogs or SETI - I think seti might be down anyway ... ?

Seti may have maintenance, but that only means you cannot download new work and report uploaded work. Uploading should be possible.

The thing here is though, WCG uses HTTPS for its communications, Seti and POGS use HTTP. So something in that that doesn't seem to work in your proxy, as if the connection is dropped.

You could run with the Event Log Diagnostic Flags (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced menu->ELDF), check &lt;http_debug&gt;, click OK. Post the output (CTRL+SHIFT+E) of a connect to Seti or POGS. Mind, if you do not want to reveal the address of your proxy, I think it's showing in that log so you may want to proof read and take it out before posting. After a round of contacts, take out the check mark on &lt;http_debug&gt; to revert back to normal logging.
5919) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Error Messages: Couldn't Write State File, error code -110, etc. (Message 59379)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yay! You're welcome. Probably a bit of local corruption. May I ask, what did you decide in the end, leave the data directory in the new place or move it back to its old place?
5920) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59332)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pfffffffffffffffffffff.

(Blows dust off bar in anticipation of the coming of the people when Seti is in maintenance)

Later edit as it breaks this thread in a smart phone browser.
5921) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 59331)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Windows Runtime Debugger Version 7.5.0

We have a winner! This problem is fixed and will appear in a next BOINC version (after 7.4.36).
5922) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 59330)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN main web site is available again.

Hi Chaps,

I have just this minute put the website back online.

We had a DDOS attack which effectively meant that we had many many many connections to the site simultaneously, trying to insert data into the website database and trying to guess passwords.
The attack started on ~22 December and ended when I gave up and switched her off on Christmas eve.

I restored the site from a backup prior to the attack, just to be sure.
If you notice anything odd about the site, please do let me know.

Jonathan.
5923) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to turn off screensaver entries in stdoutscr.txt?? (Message 59329)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
A fix for this problem is forthcoming. It'll be in a next BOINC version.

LIB: We do not need to log trace statements on release builds (MSVC only).
LIB: Reset the file buffer size to 0 after cycling the stderr log file.
Source
5924) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59327)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Smartphones are gettings smarter... I can even surf the forums with them. Hint. ;-)
5925) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS X 10.10.1 and proxies (Message 59326)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lots of things changed between 7.4.27 and 7.4.36, amongst which libCurl and OpenSSL to make sure that HTTPS and proxy connections couldn't be hit by things as the Heartbleed problem.

Can you at least tell what kind of proxy you use?
Have you tried to force the proxy use through the cc_config.xml file?
<force_auth>auth_method</force_auth>
When authenticating against a proxy server use a specific authentication method. 
Valid parameters are: basic, digest, gss-negotiate, ntlm (Setting of particular importance for World Community Grid to facilitate SSL/HTTPS communications) 

Or set all the proxy information manually?
<proxy_info>
    Specify proxy settings. The element has the following form: 

<proxy_info>
    [ <http_server_name></http_server_name> ]
    [ <http_server_port>80</http_server_port> ]
    [ <http_user_name></http_user_name> ]
    [ <http_user_passwd></http_user_passwd> ]
    [ <socks_version>5</socks_version> ]
    [ <socks_server_name></socks_server_name> ]
    [ <socks_server_port>80</socks_server_port> ]
    [ <socks5_user_name></socks5_user_name> ]
    [ <socks5_user_passwd></socks5_user_passwd> ]
    [ <no_proxy>list of hostnames for which proxy not used</no_proxy> ]
</proxy_info>

(Lines between square brackets are optional)
5926) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.36 released to the public (Message 59311)
Posted 5 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
i still cannot get seti@home to add as project
no one has been able to help me so far fails overtime evan after the update.
firewalls are open and application is excepted.
i tested on PC and had no issues.
Running MAC 10.10.1

Mind telling where you asked for help before here? Since you're a first time poster and the only other thread on a person having problems with BOINC 7.4.36 and OS X 10.10.1 doesn't have you in it.
5927) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Crashing - Mac Yosemite (Message 59310)
Posted 5 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a clue, so forwarded that to the developer for the Mac.
5928) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stability problems with boinc_7.4.36_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe? (Message 59309)
Posted 5 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see you installed BOINC with VirtualBox. VirtualBox will install its own virtual network which can cause trouble. Best try to download plain BOINC 7.4.36 and install that instead. Unless you truly want to run virtual projects such as vLHC.

Else:
The Code 10 error code is generated when Device Manager has insufficient information or the error that is bubbled up by the device drivers is not recognized by Device Manager. Additionally, this error may occur when one of the drivers that the device needs does not start. If many drivers are being used by a particular device, it can be difficult to determine the one that failed.

One of the major cause for this is that network adapter is not currently supporting this feature. You may download the latest driver / update the driver for your network adapter or chipset, and then try to uninstall and reinstall this component.


Can be caused by ZoneAlarm as well.
... if you can't seem to update your driver and have ZoneAlarm Security Suite, you may want to check whether the Enable IPv6 box in Firewall | Main | Advanced is ticked or not (the last box in the dialog) - if not, tick it and update the driver from the Device Manager.
5929) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incorrect CPU threshold (Message 59308)
Posted 5 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
The virtual machines use CPU cores for themselves as well. The project will set how much CPU each VM uses. As far as I know, vLHC uses 2 cores per one of their tasks, so if you have 2 running, you use 4 cores already. If ATLAS uses 2 cores as well, that's 6 cores already.

But you best ask at the projects how many CPU cores they use.
5930) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Error Messages: Couldn't Write State File, error code -110, etc. (Message 59307)
Posted 5 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks to me like you have a permission problem.
try to:
- Uninstall BOINC.
- Open Windows Explorer and navigate to the BOINC data directory, C:\ProgramData\BOINC
- Go back up one directory (so you're in C:\ProgramData\).
- Now copy or move the data directory to elsewhere including all files and folders. E.g. C:\BOINCData\ .. do NOT move it to any of the Program Files directories.
- Delete the old data directory (C:\ProgramData\BOINC).
- Do Start, in the Search bar type cmd.exe (do Not press Enter yet), when Windows has found cmd.exe right-click on it, and choose Run as administrator, acknowledge (Yes).

In the command line window type chkdsk c: /F /R and press Enter.
This will probably ask if it's OK to do that the next time you reboot, so acknowledge and then do Start->Reboot.

Upon reboot, do NOT press any key on the countdown... just wait it out until the check starts. Depending on the hard drive size, this can take quite a bit of time.

- When it's done and you're back in Windows, move the data directory back to C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ (or if you like to keep it in the other space, is OK as well).
- Download BOINC 7.4.36 (it's the new recommended).
- Install BOINC, and when you leave the data directory in the other place, in the third screen of the installer click Advanced, then change the path of the Data directory to where you put it, continue the installation.
5931) Message boards : GPUs : Feature : GPU-settings in BOINC (Message 59255)
Posted 2 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actually, "possible" is relative. It all depends on whether someone is willing to do the work.
In this case it all depends on the GPU manufacturers to add the option to address separate stream processors, and for the software developers (for drivers) to add functionality so this can be addressed by programs.

Thus far neither has happened, so it cannot be done. Whether you want it to or not.

The problem is that the GPU gets too hot after running for a relatively short period of time (two to five minutes).
Yes, that's something that GPUs do, get really really hot. Easily over 100 degrees centigrade if you have no adequate cooling on one. Why do you think GPU companies release these GPUs with two or three massive fans on their cards? Got to be a hint, there.

Boinc could be designed to send work to the GPU in very short bursts.
BOINC doesn't do anything of this sort, it is the science application that uses the GPU. So it's the science application that then needs to do what you want, and thus then you need to ask the project to put this effort into the programming of their applications.

But the way that the GPU works it won't work as you want it to. Any data that is sent to the GPU needs to be translated in kernels that the GPU understands. Be it DirectX 3D data, OpenGL data, OpenCL data, even 2D data.

A kernel is a small program that contains the data that you want run. Depending on the heaviness of the data, the kernel can be short, medium or long. Longer kernels run hotter. Each data file from the project needs to be divided into lots of these kernels, that are run on the GPU, before the result data is sent back to the computer, translated back to result data and saved to disk. The computer's CPU does all this work of transporting and translating, by the way.

And since the CPU does all this translating of data to kernels and back, throttling the CPU will throttle the GPU.
Unfortunately, throttling the CPU, even down to 1%, does not throttle the GPU enough to keep it cool.
I doubt you tried to set "Use CPU time" to 1% as that means that BOINC runs the CPU for 1 second every 120 seconds. A 1 second run every 2 minutes won't add much heat to the GPU. It's not enough time to run multiple kernels.

And it's really not needed either.

Clearly, the work required of the CPU to set up the work for the GPU is a tiny fraction of the work that the GPU does.
Under normal run circumstances:
In terms of actual work done, it's the CPU that does the most.
In terms of heat, it's the GPU that works the hardest. That's the difference.

When I allow both the CPU and the GPU to run with a "reasonable" throttle on the CPU of 25% to 75%, the temperatures of my 2014 MacBook Pro run around 75 C.
Notebooks, laptops, tablets, smart phones and other flat design portable computer devices are notorious for their inability to be cooled, even under the best of circumstances. Perhaps that a cooling pad brings relief here.
People want to play the latest games on their laptops these days, so manufacturers add the newest gadgets and GPUs, but since these things also need to be ultra thin and ultra light, there is no room for adequate internal cooling. Have I told you yet that GPUs get really really really hot?

When I suspend the GPU, the machine cools off to 60 or 65 C
As you can see, just running the CPU, your notebook runs hot on its own already. The added 10 centigrade for GPU use is then just peanuts.

The upshot is that I am unwilling to run Boinc on the GPU until someone figures out how to keep the temperature down.
Adequate cooling!

Consequently, the projects running under Boinc on my machine are not getting the full processing power I could give them.
If you want to fully run work on a GPU, buy a big tower with loads of room on the inside for adequate airflows and space to put cooling fans in on the bottom, and loads of fans on the top that suck the hot air out.
5932) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager stuck on "Synchronize" (Message 59254)
Posted 2 Jan 2015 by Profile Jord
Post:
You said in your first post
After setting the Account Manager up,
So you ought to know which account manager you used. BAM! or Grid Republic.
To remove a project that you added to BOINC through an account manager, you have to remove the project from the account manager and then synchronize that information with BOINC.

Since account managers are third party web sites, if you want to know how to remove a project from the account manager, you'll have to read its FAQs or ask on its forums. Or wait until someone with knowledge passes by here and post that information. I don't know.
5933) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks being drawn from newly added projects (Message 59209)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without knowing what the other projects are it's a bit difficult to guess. Do those projects have work? Also for your operating system and hardware?
5934) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing Others and Yourself a Happy New Year! (Message 59206)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oosterhout!

Happy New Year.
5935) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing Others and Yourself a Happy New Year! (Message 59204)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Irak, Russia (Moscow), Turkey, Israel, all the war zones in the Middle East, Greece, Egypt.

We're next.
5936) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing Others and Yourself a Happy New Year! (Message 59203)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
China, India, Pakistan, Myanmar, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Iran, welcome to 2015!
5937) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59195)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have one AP and immediately my BOINC is continually telling "SETI@home | Not requesting tasks: don't need (CPU: ; AMD/ATI GPU: job cache full)". Not that I mind that much, over the past days when everyone was panicking I just turned BOINC off. My cache was full and still is. (68 MB, 1 AP)
5938) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59191)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
...and open the rigs back up to receiving Seti AP work.

LOL, good luck on that. There's a severe drought.
5939) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 59188)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Android specific questions
• Whenever you ask for help on Android problems, tell us about:
- the brand and model number of the device you're running on and if it's a tablet, phablet, phone or something other;
- BOINC version;
- Android version.
- If you've seen errors during the installation, or the running of BOINC.
- If you added any projects and if so, which.

Without any such basic information, any question you have can only be answered with "hesitating to guess..."
5940) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing Others and Yourself a Happy New Year! (Message 59187)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy New year Japan, both Korea's and Australia.
5941) Message boards : GPUs : AMD APU & Boinc issues (Message 59183)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You know, you don't have to post your stdoutdae.txt to pastebin, you can just as well post it in a thread here.

To set debug flags easily these days:
Open BOINC Manager -> (View->Advanced View->) Advanced -> Event Log Diagnostic Flags -> check appropriate flags -> OK. The change will be used immediately. Open Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) to see the messages. The Event Log Diagnostic Flags window requires BOINC 7.4 or later.

And as said, you can just copy all, or select copy part, or select just one project and see only its messages to copy and post with here.
5942) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I find out whether the graphic card is being used for computation? (Message 59181)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
WorldCommunityGrid used to have one or more GPU sub-projects, but last I read they were finished. Perhaps that more follow in the future, you can only know that by keeping tabs on their forums.

As for other BOINC projects that use AMD and Nvidia GPUs, you can check in the Add Projects wizard list, there it shows what hardware and operating systems the projects support. That same list with icons is found at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
5943) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I find out whether the graphic card is being used for computation? (Message 59179)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your AMD HD 5400 is CAL and OpenCL capable, as long as you have drivers from AMD installed: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
Your Nvidia 8600 GTS is CUDA and OpenCL 1.1 capable, as long as you have drivers from Nvidia installed: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
It may just be not getting work on the majority of projects because it lacks the minimum of 512MB of memory. Perhaps that it works on Collatz.

Your Matrox Millennium is a nice card to run 3 monitors from, but more than that, no. It can't do CAL, CUDA or OpenCL.
5944) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suggestions For New Or Updated Features (Message 59177)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a common phenomenon that people who have planned down-time on their machines have to babysit BOINC and make a lot of setting changes which have to be undone after the machine is back online.

Because the File->Exit button is difficult to find?
Sorry to be so blunt, but there's really no reason why you would have to babysit BOINC for whatever reason, other than that you think it must do something that it does different.

Also, since it's an apparent planned down-time, you can use the No New Tasks button way up front, run the cache dry and report everything before you take the system down. Then the only thing you have to do after down-time, is to "Allow New Tasks".

But otherwise, any work not done by the deadline is sent out to another computer, that's the beauty of the BOINC system. Nothing goes lost. The only thing that happens then is that your system doesn't get credit because it didn't do the work and a possible wingman will have to wait longer for his or her credits. But then if your hard drive fails, you're in the same situation.

1. Put the event log back as a tabbed item instead of a separate window. I have hated this ever since it was deprecated a couple of years ago. The only justification I recall hearing was that it made BOINC less "scary" for casual users. Hogwash.

You're looking only at it from your personal standpoint, and perhaps that you asked 10 other people what they think about this. The developers did a survey and got answers through there and through email from thousands of people.
The consensus was that ALL messages were interpreted as error messages, which caused people to uninstall BOINC. Now, how much help is that to the science?

If you hate BOINC Manager that much, there are third party alternatives that do have the messages tab. Or if you feel so strong about things, and you know how to do it, you can build your own BOINC with the messages tab in place.

2. Allow the user to set a different time period for the snooze function. Every antivirus program has this simple option; it is not rocket surgery. A simple set of predefined intervals would suffice: e.g., 0.5, 1, & 2 hours.

If it is that simple, why not write the code and send that in to the developers, for them to add? All source code is available from this link.

3. For computers with infrequent internet access: a setting that tells BOINC only to request tasks with deadlines greater than some number of days.

When you allow BOINC to run through enough work that goes wrong, it'll learn that it shouldn't try to run that work. But it can't ask for work with a certain deadline, as we never know what kind of work is available in the feeder. Even the projects that have variable tasks with variable deadlines can't tell what deadlines are going to be in the feeder, until they're there. And by that time anyone's BOINC will already have asked for work and gotten it.
5945) Message boards : Questions and problems : how use 2 threads of a 1-core multi-thread processor? (Message 59175)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It said "On multiprocessor systems, use at most 80% of the processors". I raised this to 90% - no change. 99% - no change. Only at 100%, the second thread started working. That's interesting, but it works this way.

This value is an integer, meaning that in the case of a 2 core CPU, you can only set 1 or two cores (or threads). 0-49% means no cores, 50-99% means 1 core and 100% means 2 cores.

On a 4 core CPU, that's 0-24%, 25-49%, 50-74%, 75-99% and 100% for 0,1,2,3,4 cores.
5946) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing Others and Yourself a Happy New Year! (Message 59174)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For a hint about which timezone has hit 2015, see http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/firstnewyear.html

Happy 2015 Samoa, Kiribati and New Zealand!

Chris S wrote:
May I wish you a Happy and peaceful New year Jord, and thank you for putting up with us :-))

You had to remind me? Brrr... ;-p
5947) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mice error (Message 59166)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this a BOINC from repository? For if it is, you'll have to contact its maintainer(s). We don't know what may have changed to make BOINC work on Debian. But at least under normal circumstances the mouse isn't used by BOINC.

The person most active building BOINC on Debian is Gianfranco Costamagna (maintainer name LocutusOfBorg), you can contact him on costamagnagianfranco@yahoo.it
5948) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59162)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You keep the monsters at bay, now, willya?

You mean lock the door behind you? Will do. :)
5949) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59160)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I might as well kick the whole shebang in the ditch, as it were, except for the fact that it is currently heating my house..........

Einstein sub-optimized BRPs run hotter than most optimized Seti MBs and APs do. A difference of up to 8C on my GPU and CPUs. One reason why I don't run Einstein anymore.
5950) Message boards : The Lounge : Wishing Others and Yourself a Happy New Year! (Message 59159)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Time Zones
Because of the division of the globe into time zones, the new year moves progressively around the globe as the start of the day ushers in the New Year. The first time zone to usher in the New Year, just west of the International Date Line, is located in the Line Islands, a part of the nation of Kiribati, and has a time zone 14 hours ahead of UTC. All other time zones are 1 to 25 hours behind, most in the previous day (31 December); on American Samoa and Midway, it is still 11 PM on 30 December. These are among the last inhabited places to observe New Year. However, uninhabited outlying U.S. territories Howland Island and Baker Island are designated as lying within the time zone 12 hours behind UTC, the last places on earth to see the arrival of 1 January. These small coral islands are found about midway between Hawaii and Australia, about 1,000 miles west of the Line Islands! This is because the International Date Line is a composite of local time zone arrangements, which winds through the Pacific Ocean, allowing each locale to remain most closely connected in time with the nearest or largest or most convenient political and economic locales with which each associates. By the time Howland island sees the new year, it is 2 AM on 2 January in the Line Islands of Kiribati.

If you are in one of the time zones, or know someone there, wish us and them a happy New Year!
Or if you just feel like you need to exclaim it every (half an) hour... this is your thread. :)

I'll await your phone call, Tomas. Just can't promise I'm fully awake by then.
5951) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mice error (Message 59156)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you running on a laptop or notebook with a mousepad or touchpad?
5952) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager stuck on "Synchronize" (Message 59154)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You added a project through an account manager so you should also remove that project through the account manager. The account manager takes over from BOINC Manager in respect to what you want to do with activities with projects, add, remove, suspend.

After you removed the project through the account manager, synchronize and that should reset your BOINC Manager to normal, since the account manager doesn't have any projects associated with it anymore.
5953) Message boards : Questions and problems : missing or bad parameter: email_addr (Message 59067)
Posted 29 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You change the resource share or project weight in the project preferences at the various projects their web sites.
In the case of WCG, this is project weight at https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewBoincProfileConfiguration.do?name=Default
In the case of Malaria this is resource share at http://www.malariacontrol.net/prefs.php?subset=project
5954) Message boards : Android : BOINC client not working on Android 5.0 (Message 59064)
Posted 29 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
At some point, Google introduced the notion of "position-independent executable" (PIE) native-mode programs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24818902/

Support for PIE programs was added in Android 4.1.
Starting with Android 5.0 (which is now shipping on some devices) native-mode applications *must* be PIE. This means that all current Android apps will fail on Android 5.0.


BOINC 7.4.37 available from the Google Play Store does not contain the PIE fixes since projects are still getting ready for that. Only until the projects have added science applications that can actually run under the new BOINC will that version be promoted to the public.
5955) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd -- What is Error -1? (Message 59049)
Posted 28 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And yes, I'm using the boinccmd command from /var/lib/boinc (which is where I have boinc installed).

What do you mean you have BOINC installed in that directory? Are the BOINC binaries in that directory, or are the project files there?

Going by past threads, it's a permission problem. Either a missing password (read from gui_rpc_auth.cfg, or because you're in the wrong working directory. The working directory under Fedora is /var/lib/boinc/, but only the project files should be here, not the BOINC binaries. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Fedora for whic h directories should be used by what.
5956) Message boards : Questions and problems : missing or bad parameter: email_addr (Message 59047)
Posted 28 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/Make_BOINC_Service.sh
(For future reference, taken from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X)

You are running the boinccmd command from the data directory, default at Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/ ?
5957) Message boards : Questions and problems : missing or bad parameter: email_addr (Message 59037)
Posted 27 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Either get BOINC 7.4.36 from post 58623 in the Change Log thread, or use the BOINCCMD tool (the wiki is a bit slow today).

boinccmd --project_attach http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org [your account key]

You can find your account key on My Profile at WCG. Scroll down a tad. If the computer is on a public network, use the weak account key.
5958) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & VM (Message 59035)
Posted 27 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, to get all the numbers, you'll have to use the values from the Disk tab.

The below example is from my BOINC.
Use at most 0 GB.
Leave at least 0.1 GB free.
Use at most 90% of total.

27/12/2014 17:08:01 | | Disk: 244.14 GB total, 112.01 GB free
27/12/2014 18:47:42 | | max disk usage: 113.60GB

According to Disk, my BOINC is actually using 1.72GB, it can use another 116.11GB and other programs use 126.21GB.

So...
244.14 total - 112.01 free = 132.13
132.13 - 1.72 BOINC = 130.41 Max_delta
244.14 total - 130.41 Max_delta = 113.73 - Leave at least 0.1 free = 113.63

Close enough.

The max usage is the minimum of the 3 preferences, in this case the Leave at least 0.1GB free.
5959) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & VM (Message 59034)
Posted 27 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It should have reported 724.38GB as max usage based on your 90% number.

Actually, the 90% is calculated over the total disk space or the amount that the partition is that the data directory lives on, not over the free amount. So if the total disk space is that 924.87 GB, then the value there should be ( 924.87 / 100 ) * 90 = 832.38 GB.

Also, something that will show in future clients, but was always enforced: BOINC will use the most restrictive of these three settings, so either the Use of total, Leave at most or Use at most. It won't use all three.

Having said that, I cannot explain why the Max disk usage is of a value none of us can calculate. Have forwarded that one to David.
5960) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 59032)
Posted 27 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you installing BOINC as a SERVICE?

No one in this thread was talking about having problems with their GPU.
In case of a clean, first time install, BOINC doesn't install by default as a service anymore. Hasn't done that since the middle of BOINC 6.
The previous install state is read from the Windows registry. So if yours was at the time set to Service Install, the new install will automatically be Service Install.

But there's this written on that:

Now, I give it to you that this is possibly not translated into Portuguese. As far as I know the installer only comes in English.

Service Install
Run project applications under an unprivileged account. This provides increased security from faulty applications, and on Windows, it will prevent the use of applications that use graphics chips (GPUs).
(A reboot may be required.)
5961) Message boards : Questions and problems : missing or bad parameter: email_addr (Message 59022)
Posted 27 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=9865
5962) Message boards : The Lounge : That thread there that you want to post in but really hate it when other people do it in other threads.. (Message 59011)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am getting the impression here that you have become rather irritated at the recent influx of Seti posters and their baggage, into your previously quiet backwater.

Jees, lighten up Chris.
Want to know why I made this thread? You can just ask, instead of throwing that 'Your call' into my face every damn post you make.

I made this thread because of the likes of this. Two people in one thread continually quoting the whole shebang and adding their ditty to the bottom. Now, this may read fine on a monitor, although the scrolling gets to be excessive even there in the end... but it is damn difficult to follow when on a smaller screen, such as a smartphone. Which is a thing I use most of the day, to follow up on the forums. To even answer people at times.

And so to relieve me of some topped frustration over people's inability to cull their posts -- for if you must quote cull the post to the part you answer to, not the whole damn post before it as you don not answer to everything in that long story -- I made this thread. With just one rule, to quote the whole previous post and add your ditty to the bottom. Something that clearly went over Gary's head, as reading is also a difficult thing these days.

If that is the case, then it would be best if you just said so, and we'll find somewhere else.

"They" made you the spokesperson for everyone else then?

What's really your problem? Something about my methods of (non-)moderation around here bothering you? Am I not automated enough? My sense of humor not to your liking? My lucky number luckier than yours? My colour green greener than yours?
5963) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 59010)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I going to speculate what is getting Jord is the number of people who refuse to understand this is NOT SETI and it is not moderated to the same standard.

This. Loosen up, all. Despite the titles I am still human and have my moods and weird sense of humor. 90% of the time I don't post with my moderator sleeve badge on, never noticed that?
5964) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd -- What is Error -1? (Message 59008)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have a username and password at BAM!?
You are using the boinccmd command from the directory that it's working in? So e.g. if your BOINC client working directory is at /var/lib/boinc, cd into that before issuing the boinccmd command.
5965) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd -- What is Error -1? (Message 59003)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boincstats.com is as far as I know just the BOINCStats page, it isn't the address for the BOINC Account Manager BAM!

Instead use:
boinccmd --join_acct_mgr http://bam.boincstats.com username passwd
5966) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with very high ping (satellite xplornet isp) (Message 59002)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the moment still, projects as Seti use TCP port 80 (normal HTTP).
In the near future they will change to port 443 (HTTPS), the same port that World Community Grid already uses for its communications.

The address that BOINC uses for Seti is just http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
But they have two upload servers, both living at http://setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu, their IP addresses are 208.68.240.16 and 208.68.240.20

(And from the logs you gave yourself, you seem to have no problem reaching 208.68.240.20)
5967) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58998)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have to move all posts with a Youtube link in them to the Kitty Sounds thread as well.

I did not realize that was the purpose of that thread.

Do threads have purposes? What's the purpose of this thread? To reveal Secret Agent Man stuff, or to warn the aliens when it's really safe to move?
5968) Message boards : The Lounge : That thread there that you want to post in but really hate it when other people do it in other threads.. (Message 58997)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now is it top posting or ...

I meant at minimum the top posting, or the posting of the first regular in the thread. Not a wrecking ball person thinking "oowhf, lemme try to be funny and post 218 quotes in a row for everyone to quote. I don't see a rule against that".

Drinking and posting break more than you love.
5969) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suggestions For New Or Updated Features (Message 58996)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
My most important request is that you change the closing of the application to a standard program behaviour, so that all processes for BOINC and its project activities stops immediately when the program stops, unless you manually set the program to behave differently. I regard the current standard BOINC behaviour as a serious flaw.

The current standard default behaviour is that you get an exit dialog, asking if you want to "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager". If you do not see that, you or someone else on your computer has seen this screen at least once and checked the "Remember this decision and do not show this warning" option.

BOINC is a two part program, the BOINC client that does about everything and BOINC Manager, the graphical user interface through which you can easily command and control the BOINC client. One can exit BOINC Manager without exiting the BOINC client. That way you run BOINC 'silently' possibly without other users being able to 'see' directly that it's running.

In the exit dialog you can choose to uncheck the "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager" line and check the "Remember this decision and do not show this warning" option to have BOINC Manager behave as "Exit BOINC Manager yet keep the client and thus all tasks running" like you see.

To go back to default behaviour, do BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->check "Enable Manager exit dialog?"->OK.

I would also like to be able so see the statistics for all project running with the same graphic as simple view, instead of the old and ugly graphic in advanced view.

You'll have to explain to me where you see a Statistics window for all projects in Simple View? Which steps do I take to get there?

Unless you meant the skin? Simple view is at the moment by default skinned with the simple view skin. One can skin advanced view and the wizard screens as well, if one is creative enough. For the highly technical (advanced users!!) how to, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Creating_a_skin_for_the_BOINC_Manager.

A "Go into suspend" mode that complete the current running tasks, but does not start any new tasks after that.

Start BOINC from a command line or shortcut with
boinc --exit_after_finish
Exit just after finishing any job (use this to check the contents of slot directories).
or
boinc --exit_before_start
Exit just before starting any job (use this to check the contents of slot directories).
or also a fun one
boinc --exit_when_idle
Exit when there are no more tasks, and report completed tasks immediately.

As I understand the developers, there won't be any such commands added to the graphical user interface, as then that complicates the options for regular users. But then maybe, perhaps, some day in a futuristic GUI they will. Can't promise anything though.
5970) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 58988)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the main site server runs independently from the BOINC server of the project. Their BOINC server is online and available.
5971) Message boards : The Lounge : That thread there that you want to post in but really hate it when other people do it in other threads.. (Message 58982)
Posted 25 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This idea came to me after seeing how people can't just take the time to whittle their posts down when they use the quote button, seeing them multi-quote after each other even with just two people posting back to back in one thread. So for all the Quote-Button-Lovers:

There's only one rule here, to post in this thread you really have to QUOTE the whole previous post before you add your ditty to the bottom of it.

So go on, annoy the heck out of people like me. Quote!
5972) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 58972)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
ClimatePrediction's main web site, http://climateprediction.net/ is under attack, so its admin has taken it off line.
5973) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with very high ping (satellite xplornet isp) (Message 58967)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No sure if I will stay whit them, I have an 30 days money back guaranty
No, I sure wouldn't stay with them either at those speeds. Having read another article on them, they plan to get 25Mbit connections on new satellites by 2017. Perhaps that you can try then again, although you still have the 4x switch between NOC & satellite to content with.

I read a couple of years ago that people solved this latency problem by using only the download option of the satellite and upload things through a telephone line. Isn't that an idea?

With xplorenet it is $65 for 30g with 5mb/s download and 1mb/s upload. But like you see from speedtest result upload is not near 1mb/s

Looks like the ADSL I paid out of my nose for for years. 60 euros at the time for a 30Mbit/4Mbit connection that would at best do 12Mbit/1Mbit.

Since I switched to Cable, I have always had the speeds as advertised. So in case of my present 180Mbit/18Mbit, the last Speedtest I did was something of 178Mbit/17.6Mbit. But then I live in The Netherlands and the Internet here is quite stupendous.
5974) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with very high ping (satellite xplornet isp) (Message 58963)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti upload server isn't down, it's more like your connection is flaky.
What's your advertised upload and download speed (what you pay for) and what are your real upload and download speeds? As I asked before, do you have problems with any other project, or web site, or any other up- & downloads? Peer-to-peer?

Reading http://www.xplornet.com/how-it-works/speed-issues/ your issue may be that the connection is shared with too many people or other devices. Is this the only computer on this link, or do you have other devices connected to it?

With satellite you have to take into account that the signal does have that high a latency, due to the signal having to go from your computer to the satellite, then from the satellite to the Network Operations Center or NOC, then on to the internet and any return signals coming from the internet, to the NOC, to the satellite, to your computer. That's the latency of 600ms that you see and there is not much one can do about that, other than to learn to live with it and possibly only use programs that can use that.

On the other hand, the Seti upload server won't just drop a connection if the start of the upload takes longer than a second, it's more like there's interference between your computer and Seti's upload server. A dropped connection is something that things cannot easily recover from.

A common misconception is that latency has an effect on transfer rate. This is not true. A one Megabyte file will transfer just as quick over a 1000 Kbps (Kilobits per second) satellite connection as it does over a 1000 Kbps terrestrial connection. The only difference is that the satellite connection takes a half second to begin the file transfer, which is insignificant.

So you may want to run down the advice given on that speed-issues link I gave above.
5975) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with very high ping (satellite xplornet isp) (Message 58958)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I see from that is that you have no problem contacting the database server, but do have a problem uploading the result file.

Uploading is a contact between computers, reading from your hard drive, writing to a hard drive at the project but this depends of course on the speed of the uploading and the amount of data that's sent. However, the connection here is dropped within a second. Almost as if the upload is lost.

Can you upload and download in a normal manner from elsewhere, or other BOINC projects? What kind of output do you get from running a test on http://www.speedtest.net/?
5976) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 x64 fails to connect to world community grid project (Message 58953)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
On the other hand i hoped i would get an acknolgement about my weekend Linux Bug report, even if it was just to say they understood, didn't understand, or knew about it already,

And all of a sudden, an answer plus a commit.

Good chance then that 7.4.36 will be released to the public tonight, as a Christmas present. :)
5977) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with very high ping (satellite xplornet isp) (Message 58952)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without a bit of a message log, it could be anything why you don't get work. Could also be that the project (Seti isn't it?) is out of work again, so then no one gets work.

Since you run BOINC 7.4.27 you can set the &lt;http_debug&gt; flag in Advanced->Event Log Diagnostic Flags, have BOINC contact Seti (Projects tab->select Seti@Home->Update) and post the output of this flag as recorded in the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) here.

Next go back to the Event Log Diagnostic Flags window, uncheck &lt;http_debug&gt; and check &lt;http_xfer_debug&gt;, then have BOINC contact Seti (Projects tab->select Seti@Home->Update) and post the output of this flag as recorded in the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) here.

Please, for clarity do not check both at the same time.
5978) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to turn off screensaver entries in stdoutscr.txt?? (Message 58948)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developers to look into this. They are checking things if only to figure out why the std*.txt files refuse to change over to a new version of themselves when they hit 2MB sizes. One of the developers found his stdoutscr.txt file to be 141MB.

For comparisons, mine is just 141KB.

Anyone else checking, please see the file size of stdoutscr.txt in C:\users\{your name}\appdata\roaming\BOINC\
These files in the data directory are no longer updated.
5979) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with Omega drivers (Message 58947)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thing I found on the system next to my TV: there I also changed videocards.

Started with making a restore point, then uninstalled the previous drivers, then ran AMD's driver cleaner followed by a third party driver cleaner. Done a power down to exchange my HD4850 for a HD6850. Rebooted and installed the Catalyst 14.12 Omega drivers and found the system was very unstable and blue screening.

After fighting with it for half a day I put the restore point back to prior the uninstall of the previous drivers and videocard, and just installed the Omega drivers on top of the previous Catalysts and details of the HD4850. Despite the new videocard being a HD6850, I haven't had a problem since.

So for my normal system I with the HD7870, I just made a restore point and then installed the Omega drivers directly on top of the Catalysts that were on that system. Other than the one driver reset pointed out above, I haven't had any problems.

In the past at the end of the driver install they asked you to reboot to finalize things. These days they don't do that anymore, but believe me that you best reboot after installing the newer videocard drivers. That adds to a lot of stability.
5980) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58938)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quick... Seti forums are back.
5981) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58936)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is one already "The Seti is Down Politics"

If I am to move all those posts to the other thread, I have to move all posts with a Youtube link in them to the Kitty Sounds thread as well. That's sounding more and more like work.

I'll leave the decision to Gary.
An easier step is always to hide everything. Kick the trespassers... oh no, I decided not to do that. :-)
5982) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy holidays everyone! ...but first (Message 58934)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This day started with something of a conundrum that's been bothering me a little.

What happened? Someone on here went and emailed the developers, telling that he or she does not like how I treat all of you, saying that I treat some of you in a different way as opposed to others of you. I don't know who contacted them, they didn't tell me and I told them I don't want to know. But while that still holds true, I am wondering what I can do differently.

My options as I see them are:
1. Unceremoniously kick all of you who have more than 10 posts, as you're probably not here to help out, instead just being a nuisance.
2. Go be heavy handed on everyone, slap everyone who posts more than once in a row in any thread, tell them not to do that.
3. Continue as we were.
4. Ignore the lot of you and just consider these my personal blogging pages.
5. Banish Mark for no reason other than that he was banished at Seti and hope that was what the mystery mailer meant.

But hey, I can tell you up front that 1, 2, 4 and 5 aren't going to be it.
I'm sorry if I do things differently than you are doing, would do or have done. My idea of moderating is to follow the meaning of moderating, be as moderately in your way, because the way I see it your words, your posts, your images are your responsibility. I'm not here to hold your hand, slap your hand, be your conscience or anything like that and not here to enforce those rules on the left on you either. Well, as I said once or twice, maybe when you swear every other sentence, then I'll ask you to tone down.

With forum moderation, whatever I do, someone else will always be pissed off about it.
That cannot be helped. Whether it's something on a personal level, or because of something I said to them on a projects forum, or because of something I did or lacked doing on these forums, or because my favourite colour is a different one than theirs, my lucky number luckier than theirs: only the person knows.

The next couple of days I'll be only sparsely available, what with food preparations and game time. Plus the obligatory family visit -- one I don't look forward to as everyone there smokes, and I no longer do. Yet I'll show my face for a couple of hours, before hastily travelling back home to the roulades, potatoes, fruits and hot tea.

I just wanted to write this off me, be rid of the wonderment and post it for all to see. Which means that this thread is locked by default.
No need to start your own thread to answer, no need for mystery person to PM me -- I'd rather you don't. I may delete your PM unread.
Edit: No need for all the non-mystery persons to PM me either to tell me you aren't the mystery person!

Have good and happy holidays everyone, and behave. Unless you have snow. :-)
5983) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 x64 fails to connect to world community grid project (Message 58919)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
On the other hand i hoped i would get an acknolgement about my weekend Linux Bug report, even if it was just to say they understood, didn't understand, or knew about it already, But no word

Yeah, there's been somewhat total silence on most emails I sent in the direction of the developers for the past 2 weeks as well. The only one I had a reaction on was the minimum RPC time bug.
5984) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with Omega drivers (Message 58918)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I only have had one crash thus far, but attribute that to intensively using Google Earth on top of running Seti@Home on my GPU. No other problems thus far on two systems.
5985) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to turn off screensaver entries in stdoutscr.txt?? (Message 58898)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know, perhaps try to put the &lt;scrsave_debug&gt; flag on in cc_config.xml?

I certainly do not have that the screen saver writes to my std*scr.txt files on 7.4.36, not with and not without that flag on. You may want to report it to the BOINC Alpha email list, to see if others there see that as well.

In the mean time, do manually delete the file before starting BOINC.
5986) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task ____ exited with zero status but no 'finished' file (Message 58897)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that you exclude the BOINC Data directory from being actively scanned by things as anti-virus scanners, anti-malware scanners, indexing etc. You get this message when BOINC tries to write its progress to disk but finds that some other process is holding the affected files in memory and therefore from being able to be written to by BOINC.

Also only scan and index the Data directory when BOINC isn't running.
5987) Message boards : Questions and problems : I'm outta here (Message 58895)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're the BOINC forums, not the Seti forums. Seti was around since 1999, so your account is probably over there.

Sorry to see you go, I'm sure we could've easily solved whatever your problem was, had you but asked. But since you didn't, farewell, we hope to see you around on your travels.
5988) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 x64 fails to connect to world community grid project (Message 58894)
Posted 23 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked for 7.4.36 to be pushed to recommended before Christmas, but apparently the developers are on vacation already. You can get the test version from post 58623 in the BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News thread though.

Edit: having said that they're on vacation they prove me wrong. Wait one more day, there's a good chance that 7.4.36 will be pushed to recommended before Christmas. :)
5989) Message boards : GPUs : NVidia GTX 690: No usable GPUs, error 65280 (Message 58879)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The GPU was working, but I updated the CUDA & Nvidia packages with apt-get, restarted, now BOINC fails to recognise the GPU, citing error code 65280.

The error code is not a BOINC error code, even though it is BOINC that shows it. GPU detection failed. error code xxxxx is the code thrown by the drivers, all BOINC does is relay that to you. Error code 65280 looks to me that there was no OpenCL detected.

I just wonder, if your GPU was working, why did you feel the need to update your drivers?
When stating that you updated the drivers with apt-get, it would be nice if you said what steps you followed, and on what distro this is, so others can check if the package even contains the necessary CUDA and OpenCL components. Lack those and BOINC won't detect the GPU.

So why does BOINC's GPU support suck?

BOINC has splendid GPU support as long as it can detect the drivers OK. It works on all the platforms and it used to work on your system prior to you updating the drivers, so why blame BOINC? Why not blame it on the drivers? Can't you have forgotten something, like adding the user to the video group?

I'd say read through http://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-getting-started-guide-for-linux/#axzz3MfPjhau0 which details how one can install CUDA drivers correctly for the various distros.

If you want help, honey gathers more bees than throwing mud does.
Start again, explain what you did, which steps you followed, did you e.g. uninstall the previous package or did you just install the new one over this one? Did you install an SDK?
5990) Message boards : Android : Running on Android GPU (Message 58858)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC for Android does not detect GPUs or other OpenCL devices.
5991) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux - minimize boinc to system tray creates 2 icons (Message 58857)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Simple questions first:
1. Which BOINC version is this?
2. Installed from Berkeley or from package manager?
2a. If from package manager, you'll have to ask the package maintainer, as he's the person building that BOINC to be able to work with your Linux distro. We don't know what he adds all or removes to make that work.
5992) Message boards : Android : Can't run Boinc on Nexux 7 running Android 5.0.1(Build LRX22C) (Message 58839)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
At some point, Google introduced the notion of "position-independent executable" (PIE) native-mode programs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24818902/

Support for PIE programs was added in Android 4.1.
Starting with Android 5.0 (which is now shipping on some devices) native-mode applications *must* be PIE. This means that all current Android apps will fail on Android 5.0.


BOINC 7.4.37 available from the Google Play Store does not contain the PIE fixes since projects are still getting ready for that. Only until the projects have added science applications that can actually run under the new BOINC will that version be promoted to the public.
5993) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58828)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And I thank you again, Jord, for your understanding and giving the kitties a space to play in.

You know where to send the check? ;-)

To seti, yes!
5994) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58825)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could also run the risk of being zapped here also for not staying in one thread.

Please point out to me where this weird rule is given that Mark must stay in one thread only, because otherwise....? The same rules that apply to you do apply to him, the same freedom to post that you have is shared by Mark, so why do you feel the need to give him a warning over this?

Now that you may not like it that he's not exclusively posting in his kitty-sounds thread is something you may have to work on. He has as much a right to start a new thread, and to post in other threads as he sees fit, as you and everyone else around here has.

The only caveat is Knut, from whom we would like to keep his many user accounts with which he's posting his musings about numbers, conspiracies and so fort together in one thread.
5995) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seti question (Message 58819)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hello Dianne,

We're not the Seti forums, but instead the BOINC forums.
You probably best ask information like this in their Message Boards (if you have a RAC more than 1), or their Questions and Answers forum (for when your credit is still zero, or your RAC is lower than 1).
5996) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58816)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you. Forwarded to development.
5997) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58814)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you want the whole thing?

Yes, otherwise it's of not much use. That includes all the ModLoad entries.
5998) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58809)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What would be the name of the log file?

Any errors will be appended to the already existing stdoutgui.txt in C:\Users\{your Windows user name}\AppData\Roaming\BOINC

So open that in Notepad and scroll to the bottom of the file. It won't have a date stamp, but will have a time stamp in front.

For me it shows:
12:42:21: Error: Execution of command '"C:\boinct\\boincscr.exe" --test' failed (error 0: the operation completed successfully.)
5999) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58803)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
"c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe" --detach_console
"c:\program files\boinc"

.. they don't like that space in the path name.

I always forget about that thing and can't check it on my system as for security purposes I haven't got BOINC installed on C:\ or in Program Files. Thanks for the proof reading, I have edited all my above posts.
6000) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58797)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but it won't run from there, which may attribute to your original error message.

When you install BOINC for the very first time, it'll store the path to the Programs directory in the registry. Default on a 32bit BOINC this will be at C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC and on a 64bit BOINC this will be at C:\Program Files\BOINC\

When you or the BOINC uninstaller on the newer installer now uninstall this BOINC, all it does is remove the program files from the \Program Files\BOINC\ folder. The uninstaller does not clean up further after itself, so it does not clean up the path and other information about BOINC stored in the registry.

So, in your case you probably installed a 32bit BOINC first. This installed to C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ and stored that path in the registry. Then you installed a 64bit BOINC, which also wrote itself to C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\

The Program Files and Program Files (x86) directory trees are protected by Windows. While you may get away with writing a 32bit program to the 64bit programs directory tree and running it from there, Windows will adamantly not allow to run 64bit programs from the 32bit programs directory tree.

Which is why the BOINC installer allows you to change the path.
So your best course of action here is to do this:
- Start Add/remove a program
- Uninstall BOINC (this will remove all programs and library files in the C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ folder)
- Download and install BOINC 7.4.32 64bit. (It has no use to test the above BOINC Manager on 7.2.42 as that version does not have any of the reported problems).
- While in the BOINC installer, count the screens. On the third screen of the installer, click Advanced. Next change the path for the Programs directory from C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and continue the installation.

Then continue with the test again as detailed in my original message.
6001) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58795)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the original How To:
B. Download http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgrd.011214.x64.zip
This is a 64bit file, so if you run 32bit BOINC, you cannot use it.
You can check if you run 32bit or 64bit BOINC by opening BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager..., the version numbering here will show if it's 32bit (x86) or 64bit (x64). In the case of your BOINC Manager showing as (x86), do not go further!

If your BOINC sits in \Program Files (x86)\ it is a 32bit BOINC. So no, you cannot use this BOINC Manager. It only comes in 64bit flavour.

** Unless you have a 64bit CPU and a 64bit Windows...
6002) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58793)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I take it you're stuck on the "c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe" --detach_console instruction. As you can see, it runs from Program Files, not from Program. So check the link you added to the shortcut to the start up of BOINC. Right-click on the BOINC shortcut and check the "Target" and "Start in" lines.

And else do check where your BOINC program runs from. I cannot see that. I doubt though that it runs from C:\Program\BOINC\
6003) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to run latest BOINC on OpenSUSE 13.2 (Message 58774)
Posted 20 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per When requesting help on these forums:

- which BOINC version you are using? The latest can be any number of versions. To find the version, you can use boinccmd --version in a terminal window. To read more about the Boinccmd tool, please see this link to the Wiki.
- which BOINC are you using, the one from your Linux package manager or the one from Berkeley?
- what's the full output of ldd boincmgr? (That's el dee dee)
6004) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58771)
Posted 20 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was somewhat pleasantly otherwise occupied today!!!

Ah, but did you get lucky?
6005) Message boards : Questions and problems : Force SSL outbound connections only (Message 58751)
Posted 19 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could force the use of HTTPS by editing all the project URLs in client_state.xml and probably those in account_*.xml

But:
- Most BOINC projects don't have their web server set up to do HTTPS.
- Some allow HTTPS but use a "self-signed SSL key", which is not secure.
- A few (including S@h, E@h, and Rosetta) support HTTPS with a CA-issued key
(which costs money).

S@h uses HTTPS wherever passwords are sent. Currently that's all it's used for.
6006) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58748)
Posted 18 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It shows Chris doesn't clean as well as he said he would. Maybe time to be on the lookout for a new janitor. Who do we know who doesn't have much time on his hands half the night anyway?
6007) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58744)
Posted 18 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hey Mark, if you just buy all of these servers, perhaps you can start your own Seti. ;-)
6008) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Tasks menu in BOINC Manager (Message 58698)
Posted 15 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Work that has a computation error on your system will be returned and reported to the server, after which it's sent to another computer for it to try its luck on the task. It won't ever get back onto your computer.

However, you best check in your account at Einstein, and click on the task details of one of those tasks with a computation error, to see what's causing it. Each task you fail to return correctly diminishes your allowed cache at that project with one task, all the way until your BOINC can only get 1 task per hardware instance per 24 hours. As there's really no use in sending work to a host that isn't able to correctly work it anyway.
6009) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc freezes screen (Message 58694)
Posted 15 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not knowing how the GPU gets used, I don't know it is would be possible to tell the science app there are say 500 processors available when the GPU actually has 512.

That isn't possible yet. Not sure if it ever will be.
I asked for that option way back when the only GPUs around were the early CUDA ones. It isn't something for the BOINC or application developers to implement either, but for the GPU manufacturers & OpenCL/CUDA developers to add.

At the moment there's two settings a GPU has: all stream processors on or all off. Mind, even when you run multiple tasks at the same time on a GPU, that doesn't mean more than one task runs at the same time on that GPU's stream processors. The GPU alternates between parts of tasks, but this happens so quickly that it seems as if multiple tasks run side by side at the same time.
6010) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc freezes screen (Message 58676)
Posted 14 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there is no way that one can set to only use part of a GPU's stream processors to do work. It's all of them, or none of them.

It also depends heavily on what kind of work the GPU is doing. I have set my BOINC not to use any CPU cores for Seti for instance. Everything runs only on my HD 7870. But some of the Multibeam v7 tasks I had lately will make both my screens flash to black and back, or make my mouse movements very slow and stuttering. That's pure due to the GPU having trouble with the actual kernels being calculated and there's not much one can do about that, other than to set the GPU's use back to the default "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use? Yes".

There's no need to disable the GPU completely, not if you run your computer for some hours more each day without actually being at the keyboard.
6011) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58669)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The other thing I'm thinking of is that if such a [html/] container can be made, that I can use it seamlessly in a sentence. Now when you add any such container, it'll put the code, pre, quote, etc. in and then starts a new line. Or starts with a new line, then puts the contained subject in before adding another new line. I'll need the behaviour of the stress mark containers [b/], [i/], [u/] and perhaps [k/].

Ah, and it be only available to administrators, as they're the only ones who can execute HTML. Although I don't know why that is... Any ideas?
6012) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58660)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the change log thread for examples aplenty. All the [list/] blocks have white spaces before and after, even with all the codes written on one line. However you cannot start a listing from directly behind a [list/] start container, as then the * will just be a * instead of a ball. So you must start the listing on the next line after the start container. Which adds two or more lines of white.

Example given with the first list of the thread:
[b]Preliminary Change Log 7.0.65 --> 7.1.1 (more or less complete now):[/b][list]
* client: major overhaul of work-fetch logic based on suggestions by Jacob Klein. The new policy is roughly as follows:
[/list]

Available installers:

This is how it looks in code, but this is what it does when executed:
Preliminary Change Log 7.0.65 --> 7.1.1 (more or less complete now):

  • client: major overhaul of work-fetch logic based on suggestions by Jacob Klein. The new policy is roughly as follows:



Available installers:

That's what, 4? added white lines!

Same thing with the quote containers.

[quote]This is It![/quote]
What?

This will do:
This is It!

What?

But
[quote]This is It![/quote]What?

This will do:
This is It!
What?

See that the first adds a white line between the quote and the What? And that the second one doesn't?
6013) Message boards : The Lounge : For all your kitten-sounds: Radio Sattler. (Message 58659)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please tone it down with the swear words. Before the scribes get worried.
6014) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc freezes screen (Message 58658)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPU: MSI HD7870 (drivers new AMD omega)

If this GPU is used, and all CPU cores are used, it can happen that everything on screen slows down, or freezes yes. That's why the default setting for using the GPU is to only use it when the computer is idle. That way you don't have slow downs and freezes.
6015) Message boards : BOINC client : Problems with FreeBSD BOINC client 7.2.33 WCG certificate error (Message 58638)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've had contact over this with the BOINC developers.
The problem seems to be that the path to the certificate is only available at '/usr/local/share/cert/ca-root-nss.crt'. To get this to change, does need the package maintainer of BOINC for FreeBSD.

We haven't a clue who that is.
But reading the maintainer list, you either have to email ports at freebsd dot org, or more specific for this since it's a bug, freebsd-ports-bugs at FreeBSD dot org
6016) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58636)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you think it would be better if the BBCode and HTML modes were separated? Say, if there were a [html] BBCode tag. What's inside that is passed to the web page as is, no processing at all. And what's outside it gets the normal processing, escaping HTML tags and all.

Now there's an idea. Although this will probably add unnecessary white lines again, just as [pre/], [code/], [list/] and [quote/] do. But yeah, it's something to think about.
6017) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58635)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton, head guru BOINC building wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I've posted a new build which addresses:
* BOINC Manager now resets the column lists in the advanced view when
restarted. (This reverts back to 7.4.27 and older behavior)

This is a release candidate.

Please report your test results as quickly as possible to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6018) Message boards : BOINC client : Problems with FreeBSD BOINC client 7.2.33 WCG certificate error (Message 58629)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see that your problem wasn't fixed, and that it may need an enhancement. I'll forward the problem to the BOINC developers, since they also build for FreeBSD.
6019) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58624)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to my administrator title, all previous posts that have some kind of HTML code and XML containers in the text will not show this text. This includes on all posts the reminder for Alpha testers log flags bit.

I did edit the last 4 or 5 posts to now show that bit again, I am not going to edit all posts in the thread though. For the people wondering what the text should say:

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

6020) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 58623)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.36 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.35 -> 7.4.36

  • Revert "MGR: Allow user to change order of columns in Projects, Tasks and Transfers tabs (currently implemented by wxWidgets only for MS Windows.)"

    It isn't ready for prime time yet. Moving the progress column doesn't move which column the progress bars are drawn on.

    This reverts commit 59ddc3416e2458963b919827b89267f8945ea3e0.



Available installers:


Windows 7.4.36
- boinc_7.4.36_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.36_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.36
- boinc_7.4.36_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.36_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.36_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6021) Message boards : Questions and problems : Non-ASCII keyboard setup (Greek, Czech, Cyrillic, etc.) throwing wxWidgets error on BOINC 7.4.27 (Message 58617)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which doesn't make sense, as the installer of the newer version will use the uninstaller of the previous version to uninstall the previous version, before the newer version is installed. So it isn't as if the installer of the newer version overwrites the files, they all get removed first just in the same way as if you uninstall the program first.

Apropos, the test version of BOINC Manager checks what's causing the crash, which is of more use to the developers, than workarounds on fixing it at the moment. They want it fixed in the installer.
6022) Message boards : Questions and problems : Non-ASCII keyboard setup (Greek, Czech, Cyrillic, etc.) throwing wxWidgets error on BOINC 7.4.27 (Message 58615)
Posted 11 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you have the problem with wxWidgets not allowing your BOINC Manager to run, if it throws an error the moment you try to run BOINC Manager, please do the following:

A. Make sure you have installed BOINC 7.4.27, 7.4.32 or 7.4.35, there is no use testing this on any older version of BOINC.

B. Download http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgrd.011214.x64.zip
This is a 64bit file, so if you run 32bit BOINC, you cannot use it.
You can check if you run 32bit or 64bit BOINC by opening BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager..., the version numbering here will show if it's 32bit (x86) or 64bit (x64). In the case of your BOINC Manager showing as (x86), do not go further!

Unpack the contents of the compressed archive into a directory of its own. Do not decompress it into the BOINC Programs directory, or the BOINC Data directory. We cannot use the Programs directory, because this is usually in C:\Program Files\, which is a Windows restricted directory group, with no option to write to. The test BOINC Manager must be able to write a log file to this same directory.

Make a directory called BOINCT in C:\ and write the contents of the zip file to that (C:\BOINCT\).
Now, you'll need to have BOINC running, but not BOINC Manager. The easiest way to get this done is to start the present BOINC Manager (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager) and then exit only BOINC Manager.
To make sure we only exit BOINC Manager, do the following:
- BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->Make sure "Enable Manager exit dialog?" is checked->OK.
- BOINC Manager->File->Exit.
- Uncheck "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"->OK.
This way the client and tasks continue running.

If you cannot run BOINC Manager at all on 7.4.27, you'll have to start the BOINC client manually.
To do so, right-click on an open space on your Windows desktop->New->Shortcut
In the "Type the location of the item" bar type c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --detach_console and hit Enter. Yes, that's including the spaces, the double hyphens and the word 'detach_console' with underscore (Shift + minus sign on keyboard). Just name it BOINC and write the shortcut to the desktop. Next click this BOINC shortcut. This will temporarily open a command line window and then close it again. That's starting the BOINC client, while the --detach_console command will close the command line window.

Now you can start the test BOINC Manager from C:\BOINCT by (double-)clicking the boincmgr.exe file in it.

Any errors it writes it will write to a log file in either C:\BOINCT\ or C:\Users\<userid>\AppData\Roaming\BOINC\, so run with that for a bit and then post the outcome of it.
6023) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58601)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.35 released for Windows and Mac

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I've posted a new build which addresses:
* Increasing the maximum number of coprocessor devices to 64.
* GPU Suspension issue.

This is a release candidate.

Please report your test results as quickly as possible to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6024) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 58600)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, that was known already and is fixed in the replacement that we're testing at the moment. If you do need to add WCG at this time, you can do so using the BOINCCMD tool and the user's account key:
boinccmd --project_attach www.worldcommunitygrid.org 0123456789abcdef0123456789abcdef


You can find your account key when you scroll down on your main profile page at WCG.

The strong account key allows access to your whole account, so be careful using it. Someone who has your weak account key can attach computers to your account, but can't log in to your account or to change it in any way. This is useful if you need to install BOINC on public computers, or if you want to let someone compute on your behalf without giving them access to your account.
6025) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Windows] BOINC & AMD TurboCore (Message 58599)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this a bug or is this supposed to happen intentionally?

It isn't something that BOINC does, if that's what you're wondering about. Perhaps that it's a side effect of running work through BOINC, but essentially what turbo core does is frequency scale the CPU when work demands it. However, this adds loads of heat, thus if your cooling is inadequate, the CPU will also clock down again, which is what it seems is happening in your case.

Since your system seems to be a notebook, it's impossible to put a better aftermarket cooler on the CPU, which is what is advised all over the web for use of AMD Bulldozer CPUs and a form of overclocking. The other advice I read just about everywhere is to disable turbo core in the BIOS. It's more useless than useful, and if you want to overclock the CPU anyway, to do it manually through the multiplier in the BIOS.
6026) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS X Yosemite - Communicating with BOINC client. Please wait… (Message 58598)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC program consists of two main parts, called the BOINC client and BOINC Manager. The BOINC client does all the heavy lifting, as scheduling of what work to run, caching of work, keeping tabs on what projects you added and all that. The BOINC Manager is a graphical user interface that allows you to easily command and control the BOINC client.

The BOINC client and the BOINC Manager need to talk to each other, in other for you to be able to see tasks progressing, and be able to do the control and command. Technically this means that these two programs talk to each other through a remote procedure call on the local network (127.0.0.1) via TCP port 31416. Or for the non-so-technical minded, this means that you need to allow both the boinc and boincmgr (or boinc-manager) binaries through your firewall.

The BOINC client can perfectly happily run without the BOINC Manager, thus it will schedule project programs to run project tasks, do the uploading and reporting, and request new work, without requiring BOINC Manager to run. This is why you see at the project that tasks ran, uploaded and reported.

The "Communicating with BOINC client" message is not an error message, it's just informative, telling you that something is blocking the communication between the client and the manager. That may be a firewall, or an anti-virus product. Or just another program that is using TCP port 31416.
6027) Message boards : Questions and problems : Red Hat/Oracle Linux required packages list (Message 58593)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use these commands on a terminal window. Probably temp root required.

ldd boinc
ldd boincmgr
(that is el-dee-dee, this command will show the required libraries and what is installed)

The package you seem to miss there is wxwidgets 2.8
6028) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot start up BOINC 7.4.27 (Message 58584)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please follow the instructions in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=9722&postid=58346 to get the test BOINC Manager and run with that?
6029) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58582)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that text was there, but I always forget that the admin title means any &lt; and &gt; signs get executed. So instead I have to use [code/] containers, or as in this case, use HTML name signs.
6030) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58546)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hehehe, 45/5...

Shiver: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3962681896

But Jord, you must pay a ton for that?
Nah, the package includes analog and digital TV plus telephone plus that internet, just €65.- a month (excluding extra charges for phone, I pay for instance €10.- more but am then able to call for free throughout the whole of The Netherlands and most countries in Europe. Calling America does cost me money though.)
6031) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58543)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why do you need to go to your kid's psychologist?
6032) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 58535)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is intentional, that's correct. You can actually find code for it in the source code of the client, it's just not finished and the developers won't finish it, because it opens the door for hackers to send malicious code onto people's computers, if they hack a BOINC server that can send updates.
6033) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 58529)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.35 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

&lt;cpu_sched_debug&gt;: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
&lt;work_fetch_debug&gt;: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
&lt;rr_simulation&gt;: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
&lt;sched_op_debug&gt;: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.34 -> 7.4.35

  • client: fix bug where GPU jobs non suspended.

    There was a bug where, when you suspend GPU activity, GPU jobs show as suspended but are not actually suspended. This was because of recent changes to distinguish GPU and non-GPU coprocs.
    Change things so that coprocs are by default GPUs. If you want to declare a non-GPU coproc in your cc_config.xml, you much put &lt;non_gpu/&gt; in its &lt;coproc&gt; element.



Available installers:


Windows 7.4.35
- boinc_7.4.35_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.35_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.35
- boinc_7.4.35_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.35_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.35_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6034) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58518)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.34 has been released for testing, but it still contains the bug where you suspend GPU and although all shows GPU is suspended, the computation continues. So do not use 7.4.34 if you're struck by that bug.
6035) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 58517)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.34 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

&lt;cpu_sched_debug&gt;: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
&lt;work_fetch_debug&gt;: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
&lt;rr_simulation&gt;: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
&lt;sched_op_debug&gt;: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.33 -> 7.4.34

  • MGR: Allow user to change order of columns in Projects, Tasks and Transfers tabs (currently implemented by wxWidgets only for MS Windows.)
  • client: increase limit on coproc instances from 31 to 64.
    We were using an int bitmap to store flags for the instances of a coproc. Furthermore, because of the use of 2^n-1 to generate a bitmap of 1s, the limit on instances was 31.
    Use a long long for the bitmap instead, and don't use 2^n-1. This increases the limit to 64.
  • client: fix bad printf format specs.



Available installers:


Windows 7.4.34
- boinc_7.4.34_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.34_windows_x86_64.exe

6036) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suggestions For New Or Updated Features (Message 58513)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, terminology.
Project = the project you added to BOINC to do its science for, like Einstein, Seti, Primegrid, CPDN. Those are projects.
Work unit or WU or task or model = the actual work you do for the project, one instance per hardware resource.

1.) Throttle control cpu/gpu (run cpu tense program have it throttle back to compensate same with gpu)
BOINC already has a throttle function that will throttle both the CPU and the GPU, since all GPU programs run through the CPU: use at most 100% of CPU time Can be used to reduce CPU heat.

This will not be a sustained value, as that requires the use of a special application programming interface (API) and that is only available for Windows. BOINC its source code can be downloaded and compiled on Windows, Linux, OS X and FreeBSD without having to add any special APIs.
The BOINC throttle function will suspend the running work and resume it, thereby reducing the heat of the CPU and GPU. E.g. 50% will run 5 seconds every 10 seconds and suspend 5 seconds.

There is no special GPU throttle function, or an option to tell the GPU to run with only X amount of its stream processors. The latter isn't even available from the manufacturers of the GPUs, so no need to ask for that.

Last on this point, eFMer's TThrottle has an excellent throttle function for CPU and GPU and can do so with an API, but therefore is available for Windows only.

2.) Disable gpu without stopping the progress of a started project

There are a couple of options already available to suspend one's GPU:
- Activity menu -> Suspend GPU. This will only suspend the GPU, not the CPU.
- Right-click BOINC icon -> Snooze GPU. This will suspend the GPU for one hour, and only the GPU.
- Making use of the client configuration (cc_config.xml) file, add the &lt;exclusive_gpu_app&gt; option. Then whenever this program is in memory and you run BOINC based on preferences, this will suspend the use of the GPU while that program is in memory.
E.g.
<cc_config>
<options>
<exclusive_gpu_app>notepad.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>

The above will suspend the use of the GPU whenever Notepad is run.
You can add multiple lines with multiple programs. No need for a path.

While you can add exclusive programs for the CPU through the Computing preferences... menu in BOINC Advanced view->Tools, you cannot do so yet for the GPU. This may be an addition for a future BOINC Manager.

3.) Improved screensaver (More options, project support, Updated Graphics)

The screen saver isn't something that BOINC adds but that the projects add.
Making a project screen saver isn't cheap or easy. It has to be able to work with all of the older hardware out there, so always requires backward compatibility. Therefore, you may make your own OpenGL 4.1 compliant screen saver, but then have to make sure it can also run on OpenGL 1.0 compliant hardware and operating systems.

An example of how difficult it is to make a (new) screen saver, can be read through Write your own Einstein@home screensaver on the Einstein forums.

The internal BOINC screen saver -- the one you see when a project doesn't have a screen saver -- has had an overhaul about 4 years ago.

4.) Set your Affinity (How many cores to use and same for the cpu threads)

CPU affinity is something else: it's to set applications to run on a specific CPU (core) only from start to finish. This will not be added as it has been tested and isn't much faster than running as it's done now. The greatest increase found was 4% on a 64bit Linux system. On Windows it was neglectable.

What you may ask instead is already an option. You have these options in the web preferences:
On multiprocessors, use at most N processors.
On multiprocessors, use at most Y% of the processors.
Only the last option is available in the local preferences, but that doesn't mean the first one isn't used.

The first one (N processors) sets the absolute minimum amount of processors BOINC can use. This in case you set the second option to zero.
The N processors value will always be one larger than zero, even when you successfully set it to zero.

With the second option (Y% processors) you fine tune the amount of processors or threads. While we're talking whole CPU cores here, it may be that in the future the even further fine-tuning of parts of processors can be set through here. The Y% processors value is always an integer and because of that is always rounded down to the value before the decimal point.

So what does that mean on an i7 with 6 cores and hyper-threading?
N processors = 1
Y% processors = 75%
12 x (75 / 100) = 9 cores/threads.

N processors = 100
Y% processors = 99%
12 x (99 / 100) = 11 cores/threads.

5.) Skins (Create and share options)

The BOINC Simple view can already be skinned. For all the possible information on that, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Creating_a_skin_for_the_BOINC_Manager.
The BOINC Advanced view cannot be skinned at this time, perhaps that that's possible with the new BOINC Manager.

One point though in requesting all this stuff, there are only three semi-full time BOINC programmers, who already have a lot on their to-do list.
Requesting features is OK with them, as long as you do not expect any of it in a next BOINC (Manager), or even in the near future. A lot of what's asked requires a lot of additional programming, adding of specific libraries, which won't be available for some of the earlier mentioned platforms and thus will break building or running BOINC on those platforms.

One example of this is that the present BOINC 7.4 has the capability to show images/video and play audio in the Notices tab of BOINC. For this wxWidgets needed an update, which was available for Windows and OS X, but not for Linux. When it became available for Linux, it was bugged. Which is why to date there is still no BOINC 7.4 for Linux available, since wxWidgets 3.0.2 also has bugs that don't allow these functions to work correctly. Until those bugs are squashed, no 7.4 for Linux.
6037) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58446)
Posted 6 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without knowing what projects you added, it's a tad difficult to say something about it. Perhaps your projects haven't put out any notices in the past 30 days.
6038) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58442)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup thanks, confirmed and forward to Alpha email list.
6039) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58440)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
it's (<----- oooh look there is one!)
and
It's (<------ gosh, another one!)

Both of these aren't the ones I mean. But any day now you'll make the mistake to add the apostrophe to the other word where it isn't supposed to be, and then I'm sure you'll get 4 people in the forum and at least 3 via PM, perhaps 2 via email pointing that out to you. :)

In the mean time, things I saw in various forums the past 24 hours:
"...the server let's me in..."
"...or restart on it's own."
"hug's is what we want to give!"
"where to set the location's?"
"what's with the territory's?"

/plonk.
6040) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58438)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
juhst ass wel

This ass? (Warning: Engrish.com photo under the link, may not be safe for work, may not be safe for children)
6041) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 58437)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.33 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

&lt;cpu_sched_debug&gt;: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
&lt;work_fetch_debug&gt;: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
&lt;rr_simulation&gt;: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
&lt;sched_op_debug&gt;: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.27 -> 7.4.28

  • client: if a project's app_config.xml has no errors, remove old notices.
  • lib: in procindo_setup() for Mac, do not mark processes as low priority because some processes (e.g., Finder) change priority frequently, which would cause procinfo_non_boinc() and ACTIVE_TASK_SET::get_memory_usage() to get incorrect results for the % CPU used.
  • client: update Mac client to use curl 7.39.0 and openssl 1.0.1j
  • client: skip anonymous platform vbox apps if &lt;dont_use_vbox/&gt; is set
    If an anonymous platform app version has a plan class containing "vbox", and the &lt;dont_use_vbox/&gt; flag is set in cc_config.xml, skip the app version.
  • client: timestamp all writes to stderr.
  • client: fix bug that prevented work fetch for zero-share projects.
    In work fetch setup, we were computing rsc_project_reason before doing the round-robin simulation. It needs to be done after, because it uses the # of idle devices, which is computed by the simulation.
  • client: request work from backed-off resources if doing RPC anyway.
  • LIB: Remove string type conversion naming conflict with the ATL framework.
  • client: let scheduler reply update result deadlines.
    If a scheduler reply contains a result we already have, and the report deadline is different, update it.
    • Notes:
    • report deadlines are based on server time.
    If there's clock skew between client and server, things are off. This is a design flaw, but too late now.
    • server-side support for adjusting deadlines isn't there yet.
  • client: "suspend GPUs" shouldn't suspend non-GPU coprocessors.
    The following should apply to GPUs but not other coprocs (e.g. miner ASICs):
    • "suspend GPUs" command in GUI.
    • prefs for suspending GPUs.
    • always removing app from memory when suspended.
  • client: improve error message for non-tag text in app_config.xml
  • client: fix bug involving needs_network tasks.
    In deciding whether to schedule needs_network tasks, we were looking at gstate.network_suspended. The problem is that this remains false for 5 minutes after any GUI RPC that could generate network activity. Instead, look at gstate.file_xfers_suspended.
  • client: do job reschedule when network becomes available.
    ... since there might be suspended "needs network" jobs. Otherwise these jobs remain suspended up to a minute.
  • client: when reading app_config.xml, clear app versions vector. Otherwise old error notices persist.
  • client: notice bodies were being XML-escaped one time too many.
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: indicate "high-priority" tasks in event log (if cpu_sched_debug set).

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.28 -> 7.4.29


  • client/manager/server: finish LDAP support.
    • get_project_config.php: if project supports LDAP, advertise this to the client.
    • Manager: if project supports LDAP, say "Email address or LDAP ID" in Attach Project wizard, and don't do email address validation.
    • lookup_account GUI RPC (client side): if passing an LDAP ID, don't lowercase it, and don't hash passwd.
    • lookup_account GUI RPC (server side): if passing an LDAP ID, pass appropriate URL args to Web RPC.
    • lookup_account Web RPC: in LDAP case, pass "ldap_auth" arg, and pass "ldap_uid" and "passwd". Handle these appropriately.
    • LDAP auth: bug fix.
  • client: send LDAP credentials only over HTTPS.
  • client/manager: fix WCG attach.
    When David added LDAP support he assumed that an email_addr without a "@" is an LDAP name. He forgot that WCG uses user names rather than email addrs. D'oh!
  • client: fixes to previous commit.
  • client/manager: more fixes for WCG attach problem. Should work now.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.29 -> 7.4.31


  • client: get static host info items only on startup,
  • client: build break fixes for Windows.
  • client: Bug fix for previous commit.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.31 -> 7.4.32


  • MGR: On connecting to the CC, check to see if we have any simple attach cookies. If found we should launch the attach wizard to attach to the project.
  • WINBUILD: Add missing references to BOINC-Web.mo to the list of localization files distributed with the client software.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.32 -> 7.4.33


  • client: fix compile warnings and errors.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.4.33
- boinc_7.4.33_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.33_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.33_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6042) Message boards : BOINC client : Problems with FreeBSD BOINC client 7.2.33 WCG certificate error (Message 58431)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see you posted the same at the WCG forums, which as far as I can see is the correct place to do so in the first place.
6043) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58426)
Posted 4 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now how about castigating those who lack comprehension of the English language & when annoyed label people.

It's not my place to teach people English. My signature at Seti shows
Fighting for the correct use of the apostrophe, together with Weird Al Yankovic because of constant misuse of the apostrophe in "it's" when people whose mother language is a form of English mean the possessive form of it, thus its. But since the BBC does it as well these days, it's apparent that dinosaurs like me have the its form wrong.
6044) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.4.27 client can't start because of wxWidget failure (Message 58416)
Posted 3 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please follow the instructions in https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=9722&postid=58346 to get the test BOINC Manager and run with that?

7.4.32 will not fix problems with non-ASCII keyboard setups.
6045) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58412)
Posted 3 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
..there's a good little boy!

Since you apparently cannot get over yourself, let me step in here and tell you to go ignore Chris S from this moment forwards. Over with the attacks in plain sight. If you feel this bad about him, go blog about it someplace else. I'm not having you sicken the atmosphere here just because you can't get over yourself and have to flame, bait and fight at every possible instance. I don't care what may have happened between the two of you in the past. As far as I am concerned, you're not having it continue here. It's over. The buck stops here.
6046) Message boards : Android : BOINC client not working on Android 5.0 (Message 58411)
Posted 3 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is known to the developers.
They're presently testing a version that works with Android 5.0 in the Google test group. Patience please, when it's found to be sturdy enough it'll find its way to an Android device near you (Android 4.1 and better only).
6047) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 58399)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.32 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:


&lt;cpu_sched_debug&gt;: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
&lt;work_fetch_debug&gt;: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
&lt;rr_simulation&gt;: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
&lt;sched_op_debug&gt;: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.27 -> 7.4.28

  • client: if a project's app_config.xml has no errors, remove old notices.
  • lib: in procindo_setup() for Mac, do not mark processes as low priority because some processes (e.g., Finder) change priority frequently, which would cause procinfo_non_boinc() and ACTIVE_TASK_SET::get_memory_usage() to get incorrect results for the % CPU used.
  • client: update Mac client to use curl 7.39.0 and openssl 1.0.1j
  • client: skip anonymous platform vbox apps if &lt;dont_use_vbox/&gt; is set
    If an anonymous platform app version has a plan class containing "vbox", and the &lt;dont_use_vbox/&gt; flag is set in cc_config.xml, skip the app version.
  • client: timestamp all writes to stderr.
  • client: fix bug that prevented work fetch for zero-share projects.
    In work fetch setup, we were computing rsc_project_reason before doing the round-robin simulation. It needs to be done after, because it uses the # of idle devices, which is computed by the simulation.
  • client: request work from backed-off resources if doing RPC anyway.
  • LIB: Remove string type conversion naming conflict with the ATL framework.
  • client: let scheduler reply update result deadlines.
    If a scheduler reply contains a result we already have, and the report deadline is different, update it.
    • Notes:
    • report deadlines are based on server time.
    If there's clock skew between client and server, things are off. This is a design flaw, but too late now.
    • server-side support for adjusting deadlines isn't there yet.
  • client: "suspend GPUs" shouldn't suspend non-GPU coprocessors.
    The following should apply to GPUs but not other coprocs (e.g. miner ASICs):
    • "suspend GPUs" command in GUI.
    • prefs for suspending GPUs.
    • always removing app from memory when suspended.
  • client: improve error message for non-tag text in app_config.xml
  • client: fix bug involving needs_network tasks.
    In deciding whether to schedule needs_network tasks, we were looking at gstate.network_suspended. The problem is that this remains false for 5 minutes after any GUI RPC that could generate network activity. Instead, look at gstate.file_xfers_suspended.
  • client: do job reschedule when network becomes available.
    ... since there might be suspended "needs network" jobs. Otherwise these jobs remain suspended up to a minute.
  • client: when reading app_config.xml, clear app versions vector. Otherwise old error notices persist.
  • client: notice bodies were being XML-escaped one time too many.
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: indicate "high-priority" tasks in event log (if cpu_sched_debug set).

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.28 -> 7.4.29


  • client/manager/server: finish LDAP support.
    • get_project_config.php: if project supports LDAP, advertise this to the client.
    • Manager: if project supports LDAP, say "Email address or LDAP ID" in Attach Project wizard, and don't do email address validation.
    • lookup_account GUI RPC (client side): if passing an LDAP ID, don't lowercase it, and don't hash passwd.
    • lookup_account GUI RPC (server side): if passing an LDAP ID, pass appropriate URL args to Web RPC.
    • lookup_account Web RPC: in LDAP case, pass "ldap_auth" arg, and pass "ldap_uid" and "passwd". Handle these appropriately.
    • LDAP auth: bug fix.
  • client: send LDAP credentials only over HTTPS.
  • client/manager: fix WCG attach.
    When David added LDAP support he assumed that an email_addr without a "@" is an LDAP name. He forgot that WCG uses user names rather than email addrs. D'oh!
  • client: fixes to previous commit.
  • client/manager: more fixes for WCG attach problem. Should work now.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.29 -> 7.4.31


  • client: get static host info items only on startup,
  • client: build break fixes for Windows.
  • client: Bug fix for previous commit.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.31 -> 7.4.32


  • MGR: On connecting to the CC, check to see if we have any simple attach cookies. If found we should launch the attach wizard to attach to the project.
  • WINBUILD: Add missing references to BOINC-Web.mo to the list of localization files distributed with the client software.



Available installers:

Windows 7.4.32
- boinc_7.4.32_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.32_windows_x86_64.exe

6048) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 58398)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new build out that should address quite a few issues that were
discovered after the public release.

Fixes should include:
* Attaching to World Community Grid
* Back-up projects (0 Resource Share)
* Suspending GPUs should not suspend Bitcoin Miners
* Improved error message handling for app_config.xml parsing errors
* Better detection of notice updates (reduces the number of system notifications)
* Should ignore VirtualBox installer errors and proceed with BOINC installation
* Updates to OpenSSL(1.0.1j) and LibCurl(7.39.0)

Outstanding issues:
* Certain locales with certain types of characters are causing a crash in the manager

This is a release candidate.

Please report your test results as quickly as possible to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6049) Message boards : BOINC Manager : RFE: Enable messages tab option (Message 58392)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why not make it configurable? Have an option to enable the messages tab, defaulted to not displaying it.

Aside from the abundance of bugs that may add, what will then happen is that a person with problems is asking for help on the forums... first thing he's asked to do is enable the messages tab to see the messages. Then afterwards none of the helpers will ever tell him to disable the tab again, thus there's the tab again with all the perceived error messages.

A window can be closed and will stay closed at a next opening/restarting of BOINC Manager.

But as ever, and also for...
Oh, and make it configurable to turn off the notices tab, and especially make it not hijack BOINC manager and switch away from the last selected tab :)

Sign up to the BOINC Development email list and request it there. It's what it's there for: "News and discussion for people developing, porting or debugging BOINC software."
6050) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58383)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or none at all, because of the rebuilding of one database.
6051) Message boards : BOINC Manager : RFE: Enable messages tab option (Message 58381)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's been proposed to the developers from the beginning and been shot down for that time as well. The messages tab isn't going to return. It has become an event log window because a lot of users found the messages tab threatening, they perceived all messages as error messages. Which is why it was 'hidden' in a separate window.

On the other hand, for us (alpha/beta-) testers being able to directly compare the running of a task in the tasks tab against the debug messages in a window next to it is very useful. Else we'd have to switch back and forth between tabs, potentially missing information.

If you truly cannot live without a messages tab, you can use eFMer's BOINCTasks, a third party Manager with a messages tab which works perfectly fine with newer versions of BOINC.
6052) Message boards : GPUs : Intel CoProcessor World Community Grid (Message 58359)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For that to work, one of the WCG sub-projects would have to release a multi-threaded application, or an OpenCL(-on-CPU) application. But you best ask about that on the World Community Grid forums, as at the moment you're at the BOINC forums and all any here can do is give their best guess.
6053) Message boards : Questions and problems : why does avast anti-virus claim hadam3p_afr_7.22_windows_intelx86.exe is a threat? (Message 58352)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not the Climateprediction.net forums, where they can best advise you about things about their applications: http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_index.php

But in general, it is best to exclude the BOINC Data directory and all files and sub-directories therein from being actively scanned by your anti-virus (and other anti-malware) programs. How to do so for Avast, can be seen here.
6054) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & VM (Message 58350)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPUGrid also as a VM app that it sometimes sends out. Perhaps someone will update the wiki.

The list in the wiki is primarily for projects that only use VBox, not just sometimes. When GPUGrid has a full-time application, I may consider it.

Also, since they call themselves GPUGrid, one would expect that the calculations happen through the GPU, something that present day VirtualBox hypervisors cannot do yet. So that would confuse people even further.
6055) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & VM (Message 58347)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was about to install it, from Oracle, when it flashed a warning that it was going to 'reset' my network and temporarily disconnect me.

what does it mean 'reset my network' ?

When you install VirtualBox, its installer will install a virtual network card and virtual network connection with its own IP address and network name.

To finalize installing this 'new hardware and drivers', Windows has to reset all of its network connections. Afterwards Windows will be able to recognize the new network card, the drivers for it, the name, the IP address etc. etc.

This network is used specifically by VirtualBox only to make contact with other VirtualBox VMs on your computer, or on your network, it will not in any way overtake your normal internet or network connection(s).

A lot more information about the virtual network of VirtualBox can be found at https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html.

I have 152mb+ broadband via virgin media (uk) and I dont fancy anything being tweaked as it is set just how I need it, including a static IP for my wireless printer.

Nothing about your internet connection, external IP address or printer will change.
6056) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 58346)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer is willing to build a debug version of Boinc for you, if you're willing to run it then.

The developer finally had time, between vacation and other things, to make a debug version of BOINC Manager. For everyone affected, please do the following.

A. Make sure you have installed BOINC 7.4.27, or 7.4.32, there is no use testing this on any older version of BOINC.

B. Download http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgrd.011214.x64.zip
This is a 64bit file, so if you run 32bit BOINC, you cannot use it.
You can check if you run 32bit or 64bit BOINC by opening BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager..., the version numbering here will show if it's 32bit (x86) or 64bit (x64). In the case of your BOINC Manager showing as (x86), do not go further!

Unpack the contents of the compressed archive into a directory of its own. Do not decompress it into the BOINC Programs directory, or the BOINC Data directory. We cannot use the Programs directory, because this is usually in C:\Program Files\, which is a Windows restricted directory group, with no option to write to. The test BOINC Manager must be able to write a log file to this same directory.

Make a directory called BOINCT in C:\ and write the contents of the zip file to that (C:\BOINCT\).
Now, you'll need to have BOINC running, but not BOINC Manager. The easiest way to get this done is to start the present BOINC Manager (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager) and then exit only BOINC Manager.
To make sure we only exit BOINC Manager, do the following:
- BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->Make sure "Enable Manager exit dialog?" is checked->OK.
- BOINC Manager->File->Exit.
- Uncheck "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager"->OK.
This way the client and tasks continue running.

If you cannot run BOINC Manager at all on 7.4.27, you'll have to start the BOINC client manually.
To do so, right-click on an open space on your Windows desktop->New->Shortcut
In the "Type the location of the item" bar type "c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe" --detach_console and hit Enter. Yes, that's including the quotes, the spaces, the double hyphens and the word 'detach_console' with underscore (Shift + minus sign on keyboard). Just name it BOINC and write the shortcut to the desktop. Next click this BOINC shortcut. This will temporarily open a command line window and then close it again. That's starting the BOINC client, while the --detach_console command will close the command line window.

Now you can start the test BOINC Manager from C:\BOINCT by (double-)clicking the boincmgr.exe file in it.

Any errors it writes it will append to the stdoutgui.txt file in C:\Users\{your Windows user name}\AppData\Roaming\BOINC\, so run with that for a bit and then post the outcome of it. It'll be the bottom (few) new line(s) in the file.
6057) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58345)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No problems here. I can get to the Seti home page without problems.

Even just answered someone too lazy to go through old news himself.
6058) Message boards : GPUs : Boinc not using CUDA GPU (Message 58343)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, first off, when you read the information blurb in the Boinc installer on the Service Install, you'll see that doing so will disable the use of the GPU for calculations. This due to the drivers running in a different account than the user, and it being a Windows security feature rather than something that Boinc does or can fix.

So do not install Boinc as a service if you want to use a GPU for calculations.

Second though, Seti is out of work. Best check the Seti News and Tech News for that for all the information and when there may be new work. Any work you get though are resends, never enough to fill one's cache.
6059) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & VM (Message 58334)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had an BOINC update to install and it advised that I install Vm too.

There's a link at the download site that shows you if you need VirtualBox or not and what it is. The line of text says at this time We recommend that you also install VirtualBox, so your computer can work on science projects that require it. Learn more about VirtualBox.

Going the link, you'll come to the Wiki where it says:
Virtualization is a software technique that allows a computer to run a different operating system within a self-contained "virtual machine" (VM). For example, this allows a Windows computer to run Linux, with no need to install Linux separately on the hard drive, or to reboot when switching between the OSes.

and
The use of virtualization in BOINC provides several advantages:
• It makes it easier for scientists to develop applications for BOINC, since they no longer have to build and maintain versions of their programs for Windows and Mac.
• It provides increased security for volunteers. Virtual machines provide a very strong security barrier; a program running in a virtual machine has no access to the files on the "host" operating system.
• VM apps are automatically "restartable". The contents of the VM are written to disk every few minutes, and if your computer is turned off for a while, the application can restart close to where it left off.


and
The following projects currently have VM apps:

• Beauty@LHC
• Climate@Home
• RNA World
• Virtual LHC@Home
• Atlas@Home

Even if you're not participating in any of these projects, we encourage you to install VirtualBox; that will allow more projects to use virtualization in the future.


Meaning that if you only run Seti@Home, you won't need to install VirtualBox at this time. When a project is in the process of releasing an application via VM, they will tell their userbase about this through all possible channels, including the forums, the Notices tab and possibly even emails.

Then I looked at something in VM and the only options were 32 bit although my pc is brand new 64 bit and VM is recommended for 64 bit only????

VirtualBox is a 32bit program. It can run 64bit operating systems within its virtual machine, but doesn't require itself to be 64bit to do so. So that's of no worry.

Unless you have added a project that uses the virtual machine, you will have no virtual machine, so no guest operating system in VirtualBox. VirtualBox will then be just another program on you computer, waiting for things to happen. Only by adding one of the aforementioned projects will that project upload a virtual machine to your VirtualBox. This new virtual operating system won't take over your Windows, it won't run in Windows, it will run in VirtualBox.

Having an error when installing will usually mean that there was an error during installation, due to which something didn't install. Like the virtual network. So don't so easily brush off errors during installation of programs.
6060) Message boards : GPUs : Feature : GPU-settings in BOINC (Message 58333)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, that would be wonderful if that were possible.... but it isn't. There's no option yet, also not by third party applications, to tell a GPU to use only part of the stream processors and not all. It's either all on, or all off, no in between way.

But the CPU throttle function in BOINC will throttle the GPU as well, because of how BOINC uses that function. All GPU applications run on the CPU, so suspending the CPU will suspend work done on the GPU. BOINC its throttle function works by suspending work and continuing it. For a 50% throttle, work gets suspended for 5 seconds every 10 seconds and run for the other 5 seconds.
6061) Message boards : Questions and problems : Separate preferences problems (Message 58331)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Aside from setting up the different locations in the (computing) preferences, did you also set the computer's locations to those specific venues?

You set the computer's preference default location to ---, home, school or work in the project preferences, "Default computer location".
You can set per computer (view details of computer, down at the bottom, location" which location that computer should use.
Then you have to make that location's preferences setup in the project's preferences and the computing preferences.

So, for Seti@Home, go to:
- https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php (Your account)
- https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project (preferences for this project)
- Default computer location
- And options: Add separate preferences for home
Add separate preferences for school
Add separate preferences for work
(These work together with the location you set the computer to in the "computers on this account" list)

- https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php (computers on this account)
- (view details of a host)
- Location: ---, home, work, school.

- https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global (global computing preferences, this only has to be set at one of the projects, its settings will propagate to other projects as they are contacted by your BOINC)
- Add default preferences
- And options: Add separate preferences for home
Add separate preferences for school
Add separate preferences for work
(These work together with the location you set the computer to in the "computers on this account" list)
6062) Message boards : Questions and problems : Separate preferences problems (Message 58326)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you add projects via BOINC Account Manager (BAM), you'll have to set the computing preferences through there, as any computing preferences set at the project will (eventually) be overwritten by the preferences set through BAM, or otherwise be ignored.
6063) Message boards : Questions and problems : You've been hacked and I've been hacked and I'm in a lot of trouble can you help? (Message 58323)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That must be a new feature, as I still get regular UOTDs at various projects that I've never changed my profile on.

It's how it's supposed to work, but since there are about as many variations of the Boinc back end out in the wild as there are projects, it doesn't work like this everywhere.

Useful when one can tweak every part of the back end, or only update incrementally. Us Windows users wished we could do that...
6064) Message boards : Questions and problems : You've been hacked and I've been hacked and I'm in a lot of trouble can you help? (Message 58316)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm assuming the UotD is picked at random?

Yes, but only those accounts that have a profile. You won't be chosen as user of the day on a BOINC project unless you have a profile. Once selected, you won't be selected again unless you make some type of change to your profile.

Then it needs a project admin who's actively allowing user of the day candidates on the server. Not every admin goes into the Project Administration every week to laboriously sit through checking all the profiles and adding those 'allowed' to the list.
6065) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu > 12.10 indicator changes (Message 58307)
Posted 29 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What in BOINC Manager would be using this then?
Edit: It's probably better to post this on the BOINC Developers email list. http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev, requires registration.
6066) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc 7.4.27 and WCG. (Message 58290)
Posted 29 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's a know bug in 7.4.27 and will be fixed in whichever version is next.
6067) Message boards : BOINC client : Is there a current version of the BOINC client installation available for raspberry pi? (Message 58287)
Posted 28 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.0.27 is the current version on Raspberry. A BOINC version 7.0.27 built especially for the Pi is only available through the repository of Raspbian.

If you feel you need a newer version, you can always request it at http://burdeview.blogspot.nl/p/raspberry-pi-boinc-project-ive-created.html, or if you have the knowledge on how to, build a newer BOINC yourself.
6068) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on a VirtualMachine and gui_rpc (Message 58246)
Posted 27 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The IP address that VirtualBox uses is also a virtual one. It is not the same IP address as the Windows machine has. It will not be on the same network as your normal computer is, not by IP address range and not by network name.

E.g. your normal network may be on 192.168.1.xxx, but the virtual network is on 10.2.0.xxx

there is a lot of information about the network in VirtualBox at https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html
6069) Message boards : Questions and problems : You've been hacked and I've been hacked and I'm in a lot of trouble can you help? (Message 58210)
Posted 26 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've just discovered these.
You've discovered what? That you were user of the day at projects? Or something else?

I've got problems with jobs and money and stuff.
I don't see what that has got to do with anything.

You've been hacked
Who is the "you" in this?
Why do you think that?

and I've been hacked and I'm in a lot of trouble can you help?
Also why do you think you've been hacked?

Your one post brings up a lot of questions.
You're not very clear.

So why not start from the beginning and explain?
6070) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd how to check if it works? (Message 58208)
Posted 26 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It says you have the wrong URL due to you using WWW in front of the address. CPDN resides at http://climateprediction.net/ not at http://www.climateprediction.net/

As to all the rest of the stuff not working, it's difficult to diagnose without messages. I can't see what happens on an output of get_tasks or get_project_status, other than that you don't have any tasks or applications.

Perhaps that you have a firewall blocking BOINC (boinc binary needs internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443) or other things happening. The constant returning authentication error doesn't bode well either. Looks like you or BOINC don't have permission to be in that directory, write to disk, etcetera.

So let's start from the very beginning, and give basic information, such as BOINC version, operating system, etc.
6071) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd how to check if it works? (Message 58196)
Posted 26 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool for all the commands you can give the tool. I'd say to start with get_state, get_tasks and get_project_status

And if you started the boinc binary with the --redirectio attribute, that you check the contents of stdoutdae.txt for the lines of the event log.
6072) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd how to check if it works? (Message 58189)
Posted 26 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti@Home is out of work. They only have occasional resends. Best add another project that does have work. There are enough to choose from: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
6073) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58157)
Posted 25 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even then, that doesn't matter, as the Seti receivers record all this stuff on all available days, not just Tuesdays. The only thing happening on Tuesday is the maintenance at Seti, that doesn't change the data that's already recorded on the disks.
6074) Message boards : GPUs : Xeon Phi (Message 58103)
Posted 24 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
they're on SALE for $198

Normally $1,695.- now only $198.-? They're either broken, or they fell off the back of a truck. ;-)
6075) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 58101)
Posted 24 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You see, there is absolutely no point in having a go on me.

Your original proposal was on the 12th of October. I emailed the developers about it on the 13th. You then did a bump of your proposal on the 11th of November, making it seem as if your proposal had more merit than anyone else's in the Wish List thread.
And then you went on about it on the 18th of November, a second bump if you will.

The developers don't read these forums, not even the threads they started themselves (*), perhaps only when someone posts a big bug and it's been pointed out to them. I already forwarded your request to them, there's really no need to continue to bump your proposal until you've got a mention of it in all the threads that are open.

In your last bump in this thread you wrote how you were thinking about becoming an Alpha tester, and the only thing I added to that was that you can then request stuff like that through the Alpha email list, and bump it there if you feel like it's needed to be bumped. The Alpha email list is read by the developers.

(*) One exception to that rule: Charlie does react to threads about Mac problems.
6076) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 58088)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
With this option, I could for example limit MT WUs to 6 of my 8 processors, and let the Scheduler portion out the remaining 2

The multithreaded application decides how many threads to use to do a task, not BOINC. So if this were to be an option, it would be one set through the project's preferences, and then you'll have to ask the project for such an option.
6077) Message boards : Questions and problems : Localize (Message 58087)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you have Mac computer?

No, but what I meant was, you pointed out a picture and all I did was say I don't know where in BOINC Manager you see this. Remember that your language is set to Finnish, a language I cannot read. So you'll have to tell where in BOINC Manager you specifically see that part of menu that you showed in the picture. Also if you want to post to the Alpha email list.
6078) Message boards : Questions and problems : Localize (Message 58081)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this supposed to be like that?

I can't even figure out where you see this in BOINC Manager.

Is there something I as translator can do?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/TranslateIntro
6079) Message boards : Documentation : Update gpu computing page on wiki (Message 58080)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do have experience editing Wiki's so how do I ask for an account at the project Wiki?

Email Dr. Anderson. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectPeople for his email address.
6080) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 58079)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apart from my PC having the Blue Screen od Death

There is no one 'the Blue screen of death', it can be many. Please see When requesting help on these forums: Windows specific questions on how to tell us which BSOD you saw.

neither will run the BONIC Screen Savers

You did tell BOINC to use the screen saver (checked it in the installer)?
If not, right-click on the Windows desktop->Personalize->Screen Saver->make sure it's set to BOINC.
Do the projects you've added have graphics? If they don't they can't show graphics.
6081) Message boards : GPUs : Suspending specific GPU during exclusive application execution in multi-GPU configuration (Message 58067)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's not possible through BOINC (Manager), although you ought to be able to get it done via scripting boinccmd commands to reread the cc_config.xml file, and e.g. the use of the &lt;exclude_gpu&gt; option in that cc_config.xml file
6082) Message boards : Questions and problems : Regression in BOINC client 7.4.27: GPU not found (Message 58066)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per 7.4.27, when you leave those lines in the cc_config.xml file, you override the GPU detection and instead tell BOINC what kind of device it is.

The full code for this is:
<coproc>
  <type>some_name</type>
  <count>1</count>
  <device_nums>N</device_nums>
  [ <peak_flops>1e10</peak_flops> ]
</coproc>

This is why BOINC stated:
18-Nov-2014 06:35:19 [---] GPU specified in cc_config.xml: 1 ATI
followed by
18-Nov-2014 06:35:19 [---] ATI GPU info taken from cc_config.xml
and ignored the details about the detected ATI GPU.
6083) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58061)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ever cry into a kitten's fur?

Kitten no, cat yes. Cat hair everywhere. Not a good idea to repeat.
6084) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58051)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me reaches for the tissues Anniet left behind. Although, that may have been Gary as well.
6085) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 (x64) GUI (Message 58050)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The text gets adjusted in accordance to the user's DPI setting. If it's normal, the text is normal. If it's high, the text is bigger.

There is no option to adjust that in BOINC itself. You'll have to adjust that in the operating system. Prior to this change the text stayed the same, so on high DPI systems the text was unreadably small.

MGR: On MS Windows, adjust width of Task Control buttons, Event Log and Log Flags dialog for users DPI setting.
MGR: On MS Windows, make DPI setting detection more efficient and DPI adjustments more general.
MGR: On MS Windows, adjust Simple View metrics and images for users DPI setting.
MGR: Allow for floating point rounding errors when determining DPI settings.
MGR: On MS Windows, adjust Simple View images from skin file for users DPI setting.
MGR: On MS Windows, adjust sizes of images in Advanced Frame tabs and Computing Preferences tabs for users DPI setting.
MGR: On MS Windows, fix Attach Wizard to scale according to users DPI setting.
MGR: On MS Windows, scale Attach Wizard progress indicators according to user's DPI settings.
6086) Message boards : The Lounge : For all your kitten-sounds: Radio Sattler. (Message 58040)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord realized this, and provided it.

Can't get enough of the compliments. More, more!
6087) Message boards : Questions and problems : Regression in BOINC client 7.4.27: GPU not found (Message 58034)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup.

  • client: generalize naming scheme for OpenCL devices, add more general have_rsrc() functions.
  • client: group new (non-NVIDIA, non-AMD, non-INTEL) OpenCL device types by vendor name string rather than by CL_DEVICE_VENDOR_ID. This assumes that OpenCL reports identical vendor name strings for all devices from the same vendor on a given host. I incorrectly thought CL_DEVICE_VENDOR_ID was a numeric ID of the vendor which would be the same for each device from that vendor, but it is actually a unique numeric ID assigned by a given vendor to each device on a particular host.
  • client: continue adding support for OpenCL devices (GPUs and accelerators) other than AMD/ATI, NVIDIA or Intel GPUs.
    • For now, handle AMD/ATI, NVIDIA or Intel GPUs as before. But for other, "new" vendors, we treat each device as a separate resource, creating an entry for each instance in the COPROCS::coprocs[] array and copying the device name COPROC::opencl_prop.name into the COPROC::type field (instead of the vendor name.)
    • For devices from "new" vendors, set field in init_data.xml file to the vendor string supplied by OpenCL. This should allow boinc_get_opencl_ids() to work correctly with these "new" devices without modification.
  • client: set work requests for coprocs specified in cc_config.xml
    We weren't copying the request fields from RSC_WORK_FETCH to COPROC. Do this, and clean up the code a bit.
    • Note: the arrays that parallel the COPROCS::coprocs array are a bit of a kludge; that stuff logically belongs in COPROC. But it's specific to the client, so I can't put it there. Maybe I could do something fancy with derived classes, not sure.

6088) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 58012)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti is down again.

Science Database Issues.

The science database server crashed a few hours ago. The project is down until the database recovery is complete.
6089) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Client (Ubuntu) config problems when using account manager (Message 58010)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It probably would, but then that will fix it for one computer only. The account manager is there to easily add multiple projects to multiple computers, instead of having to manually add each project on each computer.

And even while --for testing-- adding the project manually is a good thing, in the end we'd all want this to be fixed, if possible.
6090) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58009)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
A dedicated kitty thread or forum would be really cool.

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=9752, there you go, complete with your own legal blurb.
6091) Message boards : The Lounge : For all your kitten-sounds: Radio Sattler. (Message 58008)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Giving a podium to the man whose first love is kittens, his second love is cats and his third love is anything thereafter. Put those hands together, for the KittyMan, on your air waves 24/7.

Bring it on, KittyMan.

Radio Sattler is intended for general information purposes only. It is not designed to provide readers/listeners with specific and personal, medical, financial, legal, counseling, professional service or any advice. The programs are not meant to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Individuals with health problems should always consult their health care provider for professional medical advice, medications or treatments. Radio Sattler also does not promote anyone's individual practice, programs, agendas, particular treatments, healthcare programs, providers, hospitals or medical centers.
6092) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 58001)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sure you don't want a thread of your own, something like Radio Sattler? ;-)

That would be rather wonderful.
Something that was alluded to on Seti.
You can do that?

Yes, but so can you. Just start a new thread here. :)
If you want me to, I can move some of the Youtube posts to there, but it's all what you want.
6093) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Install on Ubuntu - BOINC misses click events (Message 58000)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The present test-build from Berkeley is 7.4.25, as far as I know.
There are a bad bug or two that exist in wxWidgets which a new version of wxWidgets will supposedly fix. The BOINC developers will be able to do a release of the Linux build then. How the various distros schedule things like that, we do not know.
6094) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57996)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sure you don't want a thread of your own, something like Radio Sattler? ;-)
6095) Message boards : Teams : Delete a team (Message 57995)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for that. The site is now fixed.
6096) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a way to limit only download times? (Message 57987)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Start the BOINC binary with the --exit_after_finish attribute.

E.g. in Windows,
boinc.exe --exit_after_finish

Exit just after finishing any job.
6097) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57978)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe Mark's kitties can use some of these to keep warm?

I'll take 'em. Just found Wokkel locked up in the kitchen, she may want some warmth and coziness, even if it's from pink slippers. Especially since she puked on the floor, and did a doo-doo. Can't be helped all, when you can't open doors.

Nothing like cats to defuse the situation?
Wokkel can't sit still enough for a photo, too excited! And hungry and thirsty.





Twiggles on the other hand...
6098) Message boards : Teams : Delete a team (Message 57977)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC Wide Team option only works if you made your team through there and the projects import that setting. Not all projects do. In which case you'll have to log in on those projects and manually (through Your Account->Member of Team->Administer->Remove Team) remove the team.
6099) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57962)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do hope new bridges are built, and that they're done on firm foundations that stand the test of time better than previous ones have. But ones like that need time too, for the ground to settle and the work to begin :)

Hear hear. You can probably use the work people in the street, who start again at 7am with their racket. If you can use them, I'll point them the way. :)

I will in the meantime endeavour to be much more careful with my posts so that I'm not tactlessly trampling on anyone's bruises.

Mark... I am so sorry :( To Jord too... for my inanity putting so much unnecessary work your way :(

The earlier warning was about people hitting the report button. "Anonymously complaining", without having set foot in this thread. Kathryn wants to come out of the snow to give everyone involved a timeout. I've calmed her down. :)
So it was nothing you said. No need to say sorry to me. I've not seen you do anything wrong. At all.

But a bit of extra information might help (you below is meant in general, not Annie):
1. I am not saying to stop reporting things you find offensive. All I ask is that you stop reporting Mark only because it's Mark. If Mark rips Chris a new one in a post with severe colorful language, and I haven't seen it yet, I may want to know about it. But as long as Chris calls out for Mark to come and play and Mark does so, there's no need for that to be reported. Remember, it takes two to tango, and in most cases where there's abuse or love hurled, it goes both ways.

2. Last I checked, we're all matures here. When you see your neighbor throw garbage over the fence into the other neighbor's garden, do you call the cops on him or do you talk to him about it? Same here. So come out of the woodwork, and tell Mark how you feel about what he said yourself. It's how you would want to be treated, isn't it?
6100) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Client (Ubuntu) config problems when using account manager (Message 57961)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The log starts at 20:42:54 when I started the boinc-client service after I deleted the preceeding log. I thought I should delete it to keep it simple and to get a good example. Maybe a mistake, I'm sorry.
Nah, that's okay.

Would it be an idea to detach the boinc-client from the account manager and to attach Einstein directly to the client for testing? The issue should be gone if Bam causes the problem. If not, we have a problem with boinc-client or Einstein.
That's a good idea. For tests sake.

Another thing I could test: what about detaching Einstein with Bam from the client and try to use Asteroids@Home as a single project to see if the problem comes again?
Also a good idea. See? I don't have to do anything here. :)

Any other ideas? Re-Install everything? Install a developper version? Delete all files in /var/lib/boinc-client when the service is not running and start it afterwards?
No, no don't see what that would fix, no don't see what that would fix either, and well perhaps on the latter. After you made a backup of everything there, I hope.
6101) Message boards : Questions and problems : Several Problems With BOINC (Message 57960)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC from Berkeley installs under rights of the user, running in normal mode. To change it to a daemon, best check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Stop_or_start_BOINC_daemon_after_boot.

BOINC from repository installs and runs by default as a daemon.
6102) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57952)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
People,

Mark and I have had a little chat through private message. I am sorry if you feel threatened by him, but really, the constant reports on anything Mark writes are getting old. If you then feel he's so insulting in his answers, then do read the posts done by others in his direction as well and report those as well.

As long as the only reports we get are "Mark's done this" and "Mark's done that", we're going to ignore the reports. Well, I am. And as far as I know I seem to be the only moderator around here, I think Kath is snowed in, while Chris B is busy elsewhere. In any case, they also haven't signed up to hold your hand in case you find that a couple of posts are getting hot. That's what happens in discussions.

Of course, if you feel that can't be, you can always go over my head and email Dr. Anderson or Mr. Walton and complain. But they'll also tell you that these aren't the Seti forums and as long as the expletives are kept to a bare minimum (rather not have them at all), a good heated discussion between two people should be possible, even if one of them is Mark.

Now, behave. All of you.
Or I'll use one of Chris S's brooms on ya.
6103) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Client (Ubuntu) config problems when using account manager (Message 57951)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, that BAM preference comes up after contact with Einstein, but I seem to be missing part of the log. Was there anything between:
17-Nov-2014 21:01:02 Initialization completed
and
17-Nov-2014 21:33:50 [Einstein@Home] Computation for task
p2030.20131128.G176.29-01.67.S.b1s0g0.00000_2278_0 finished
??
6104) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57937)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The same applies to Oscar and Carolyn...

Psst, Oscar is named after one of Mark's cats. Should be a clue.
Oscar and 'the new monk' were bought from the donation drive of August 2010 that got started by Mark.

'The new monk' got renamed to Carolyn, because the old database server was called Jocelyn and Joe Segur called for a continuation of the feminine name set. Carolyn got chosen because the guys at Seti liked it the most. It also resembles Carl Sagan's name in feminine form.
6105) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57931)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am quite sure that this does not apply to anyone here :-)

No, I have the limited edition.
6106) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57930)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whoa...banned? *huge eyes* YOU!? Do they know who they're dealing with?! :)

LOL.

Must be because you know too much about how they've stuffed up the game. You've not been banned you've been silenced :/ Of this I approve NOT :( or they've stuffed up their forums... been a real blast this game for you hasn't it :) My commiserations - long may you NOT be cast out!

Nah, I only complained about the annoying radio that you can't turn off in vehicles. Hadn't even posted the memory leak post yet as I am still collecting data on that.

But today I go there and I am again magically unbanned. Again no communications in my direction, also no answer to my inquiry. What I read about it is this though, when someone is being annoying on the forums, Ubisoft tends to block a whole range of IP addresses, e.g. only the first one or two digits and then damned anyone who's being caught behind that.

So here they probably banned 84.000.000.000 or 84.105.000.000 and caught me along with it. But then also just about anyone with a Ziggo ISP account. Not really nicely done. I wonder if I complain at Ziggo about it, that they can complain in official capacity at Ubisoft.
6107) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57917)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, there's a new experience for me. For reasons unknown to me, after 4 posts on the Far Cry 4 forums, I have been IP banned there. Can't go anywhere near the forums. Thus far -- as far as I can see, but fingers crossed for we don't know how long this is gonna take -- I can still log in to the game itself.

Sigh.
Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address. To contact the administrator click there
6108) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG Screen Saver Project Graphic Flickers only with Boinc Screensaver: Windows 7 & Boinc 7.2.47 (Message 57916)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've now also forwarded the email I sent on this to the new WCG/IBM administrator. Waiting to hear from him.
6109) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a way to limit only download times? (Message 57915)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there is no such option.
6110) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57914)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uh, haven't managed to play FC4 online yet. The server seems to be missing. The FC forums are now constantly showing error 503. Looks like they got problems.

Nah, for my online gaming I do Elderscrolls Online or ESO for short. Which reminds me, I shouldn't forget to activate one of my game cards.
6111) Message boards : Questions and problems : Regression in BOINC client 7.4.27: GPU not found (Message 57913)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I doubt that the problem is on my side.

But then of course, if it were the client, these forums and all forums for that matter would be amass with people complaining about it. Thus far, I've only seen your report.

Since the client shows it detects OpenCL perfectly well, it's not that. What Catalyst drivers are you using? 14.8, I think? A beta at that? There could be all kinds of things wrong with drivers like that, so first try other drivers. 14.9 or 14.4, not beta's.
6112) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57908)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gotten thus far that it's now playable for about 2 hours. Then memory usage tops 1.7Gb and the game starts to stutter. Doesn't matter if I put things on Ultra, Very High or just High. But at least, then a quick save & quit & restart fixes that.
6113) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57898)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord

Try
"Far Cry 4" jerky
in a search engine. There's a few results that may help.

I've already posted a couple of things in the Far Cry 4 forum.
6114) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57888)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently you can disable the indexing of all files on the hard drive(s), but not the searchindexer.exe which indexes everything so you can search them quicker. When you disable or uninstall this search indexer, you can't search anything in Windows anymore.

Of course this searchindexer.exe is also making the game stutter. Even though I told it to only do indexing on the C: drive and then only select directories, none of which I have my game installed in.

Ah I give up. Tomorrow's another day.
6115) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57885)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, I am unindexing all hard drives/partitions now. But even that doesn't deselect all the file types. Maybe during a sleepless night I'll go sit clicking on all those check boxes one by one. Or not... :)
6116) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57883)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh look! :) *Big grin* our leader and playground monitor is... busy :) I wonder what kind of racket would... *cast gaze ALL around thread* ...get his full attention...? :)

Game is unplayable due to big bugs like mouse acceleration that cannot be disabled, very stuttery gaming, crashes to desktop, a memory leak and that was only the first 2 hours. Ah, and online play is impossible as the Ubisoft server dropped off line after more than 3 people connected to it.

Got those glorious Elderscrolls Online Launch Day feelings all over again. ;-)

So to get rid of the stuttering, I am unindexing the hard drive the game's installed on. But since that's a 2TB drive, it takes a while.
Anyone know of an easy way to deselect all the file types in the Advanced Options of the Windows Indexing Options?
6117) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57856)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whoa... about 14Gb to install, then 3Gb updates...

14GB? :) Make that 30GB! It unpacks lots of *.bin files during installation. One of the data files is over 9GB big and comes off of two DVDs.

The 3GB patches were in within minutes - really, 3 minutes: 12MB/sec download.
The game does look very good. They've taken bits of Far Cry 2 and 3 this time around. I saw it take up 1.5Gb of memory and a whopping 1989MB on my GPU. That's with only a couple of things on Ultra. GPU temps are 68C, way more than when I run Seti. Haven't checked CPU temps yet, will do that next round later tonight. Only playing the game on one monitor, I still have to figure out how to get it to run on both.
6118) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Client (Ubuntu) config problems when using account manager (Message 57853)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
17-Nov-2014 21:01:02 [---] General prefs: from http://bam.boincstats.com/ (last modified 10-Nov-2014 22:48:43)
17-Nov-2014 21:01:02 [---] Host location: none

17-Nov-2014 22:34:25 [---] General prefs: from http://bam.boincstats.com/ (last modified 17-Nov-2014 13:17:40)
17-Nov-2014 22:34:25 [---] Host location: none

That's the two I see happening, with the second one seemingly coming from the Einstein contact. Did you last change the preferences at BAM on the 17th of November at 13:17:40 hours (presumably UTC)?
6119) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57843)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Installing Far Cry 4. 3 DVDs. Ouch.

46 minutes later: game installed. Now the updating begins, day one patches in the order of 3014MB. ;)
6120) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc on Lollipop (Message 57841)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it was already reported in the android forum and forwarded to development.
6121) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG Screen Saver Project Graphic Flickers only with Boinc Screensaver: Windows 7 & Boinc 7.2.47 (Message 57837)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll have to explain what you mean by flickering then. Is it possible for you to make a video of your screen?

Also, now a little info on hardware would be nice: what videocard? (Windows or manufacturer's) drivers, and their version? OpenGL driver component installed?
Are you seeing it on just WCG's screen saver, or also on another project (you can test with e.g. Einstein@Home)?
6122) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 57836)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thing though: The handling of the entries in the GUI list could really be better, this wasn't implemented in this release, so I am hoping for the next one.

Just because you asked for a feature request a month ago, that doesn't mean it'll get implemented immediately. Not only do GUI changes have to be compatible across the main platforms (do the same thing without special compiling requirements on Windows, Linux and Mac OSX), they also need rigorous testing, something not done in just a month.

But at least by signing up as an Alpha tester you're eligible to request this feature on the Alpha email list and bump it there as much as you want.
6123) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57834)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
There was a bug involving zero-share projects.
I fixed it, and things seem to work, at least in the simulator: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/scenarios/126/simulations/5/timeline.html

We'll port this to 7.4 and do a new release.

-- David
6124) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 57833)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
There was a bug involving zero-share projects.
I fixed it, and things seem to work, at least in the simulator: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/scenarios/126/simulations/5/timeline.html

We'll port this to 7.4 and do a new release.

-- David
6125) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57821)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
you just haven't been looking in the right places

Yeah, I hardly ever visit Einstein anymore, not since their server started getting hiccups in loading the forums. Plus my RAC there is less than interesting. As for Albert, I despise the Drupal crud so won't return there.
6126) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57817)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did Richard H. fall victim to the flu, the bird-flu, ebola or something else bad? I haven't seen a post of his in ages.
6127) Message boards : Projects : Problem with no disk space for SETI@home (Message 57802)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for needing space for Seti, since Seti is down and will probably be down for the next days, I'm wondering if there's much hurry behind this. But the easiest setting to change is the Use at most N% total disk space. Try setting it to 100%. It'll never use that, but that gets problems like this out of the way the easiest, without having to figure out where those 32 MB are needed.

Rethinking...

Keep free at least 30 GB

You have 28.30 GB free.

Of course, 28.3GB is already less than the 30GB you want kept free.

63.40 GB occupied by other things
Use at most 40% of total disk space

137.3 x 0.4 = 54.92
137.3 - (0.512 + 54.92) - 63.40 = 18.46 GB

Urgh, best just play around with the numbers. Or you can give Use at most high numbers, leave at least very low and the percentage at 100%.
6128) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57786)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah. Not that I am running work 24/7 anyway. But then even less. :)

<time_stats>
    <on_frac>0.246607</on_frac>
    <connected_frac>0.970186</connected_frac>
    <cpu_and_network_available_frac>0.785954</cpu_and_network_available_frac>
    <active_frac>0.787830</active_frac>
    <gpu_active_frac>0.591996</gpu_active_frac>
</time_stats>
:D
6129) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57781)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see 28mr11ab is still in effect. Wonder if it is the cause behind all the problems. ;)

Edit: Far Cry 4 has been sent to my home address. Will be in tomorrow, so expect me to go on a hiatus... :)
6130) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC cannot remember computing preference (Message 57780)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
the other two projects (World Community Grid and SETI@home) never worked. When I force them to update in BOINC manager, it just shows "Communication deferred ...".

Seti is down, will not be up for the foreseeable future and prior to its database crashing there were already warnings that the project would run out of work.

World Community Grid, well here it depends on which sub-projects you chose to run and whether or not these can run on Linux. I haven't got a clue about that, that's something you best ask at their own forums. Also, WCG uses secure HTTP communications, meaning that you need to allow the BOINC binary through any firewall on TCP port 443.

Anyway, I asked the owner of the other thread to post his problem on the BAM forums, which he did. All of the emails I sent about it to the developers ran out without them reacting to it, so best try it via BAM first. As it seems to be their problem of sending an older set of preferences at a newer time than the ones you set through BAM.

So perhaps you can add to the thread over at BAM (as linked to above).
6131) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't connect to server (Message 57777)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, we are not the World Community Grid. They have their own forums. :)
Best read https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,37446 which discusses this problem and shows you how to fix it.
6132) Message boards : Projects : Problem with no disk space for SETI@home (Message 57776)
Posted 17 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, I'm only human and fallible to disease just as anyone else is. I developed a jaw infection which started late at night the 11th of November, which hurt so much I couldn't think, only hurt. So I gave up on things like remembering who I helped that same day or the day before. Pretty much gave up on a lot of the forums for days.

is there a place in Windows that shows the total size of hard disk?

Start->Search->Type computer management (will be the same in German, I think)->(Double)Click on the Computer Management program Windows finds->Storage->Disk Management. Through this same utility you can set up a hard drive, shrink volumes, extend volumes, delete volumes, format the whole drive etc.

because I wanted to work with Linux

But then an easier thing is to install a virtual machine, such as VirtualBox. Then install Linux in that.

As for needing space for Seti, since Seti is down and will probably be down for the next days, I'm wondering if there's much hurry behind this. But the easiest setting to change is the Use at most N% total disk space. Try setting it to 100%. It'll never use that, but that gets problems like this out of the way the easiest, without having to figure out where those 32 MB are needed.
6133) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57724)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still got 58 Multibeam and one Astropulse v7 in cache. So if I run 24/7, which I don't, then that's around 18 hours of work still to go.
6134) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 57720)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Database Issues
The BOINC mysql database is currently unresponsive. The project will be offline for the next 24 hours or so. 16 Nov 2014, 19:25:49 UTC
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
6135) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 57719)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
..and BOINC didn't list an error but would only connect to two projects.

Since I have no oversight about what projects your computers are attached to you'll need to provide that information. So which projects did not connect? Which did?

The rest came back with a login error..

You did allow BOINC through your firewall? See the first line in this questionnaire for programs and port numbers.
6136) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 57709)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you do not run any BOINC project with VM applications you do not need BOINC with VirtualBox. You can instead install just plain BOINC. You can install just plain BOINC over an earlier version with VBox as well. VBox will then not be installed or updated if a newer version exists in the other installer.

Furthermore, if you encountered any errors, what were they?
Or how else would VirtualBox not install correctly on your systems?

I just wanted to let somebody know that Ver. 7.4.27 my not be as ready for release as it could be.

We're always on the lookout for more Alpha testers. For more information on that, read the Alpha instructions.
6137) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57699)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll tell you what seriously worries me if it is Oscar, the master database server, that has problems.

How about it being revenge of Mark Sattler? Can he not have invoked the secret Trojan he stored in the UEFI of that machine... ;-)

Let's just hope I can report all my work before the 20th of November, because from that day onwards my GPU is too busy rendering the world of Kyrat. Maybe even one or two days prior to that, depending on when Nedgames drops FarCry4 on my doormat. :-)

Having seen the first Let'sPlays on a PS4, I can't wait. Gorgeous gorgeous world.
6138) Message boards : Promotion : small contribution (Message 57696)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Of course, to make any Dacia Duster interesting everyone needs to sticker theirs. ;-)
6139) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Colors (Message 57695)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The colours of the projects in the Statistics tab now follow the colours of the projects in the Disk tab.
6140) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57694)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, this is Café, but I don't see a point in Your post Gary Charpentier. Nothing about S@H.

Rules:
1) This is the BOINC development board. Their posting rules apply. Their moderator(s) enforce. We are their guest.
2) This isn't the Politics Forum on Seti, consider it the Cafe Forum lite.
3) Have fun. Yes, that is an order! :-)

Original first post of this thread.

I see it as Gary having 3. The only problem it might be having is the pixel size, as not everyone likes to download 1024x682 size photo's on their device. So if you can make them smaller, Gary, that would be nice.
6141) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 57689)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For that kind of problems see this FAQ, step 1 or step 2.
6142) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57678)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not just some Seti kit, but the Boinc database, it would seem. Without that no reporting but also no forums.

Well, I am going to lay back down as the room started spinning around me. Still, if that is the only side effect of the meds so far it's fine with me. Although sadly no pandas yet.
6143) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57674)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good morning Ageless (or something like it) :) How are you feeling? Better I hope!

Morning Anniet. Jaw is feeling much better. I only need to pop an aspirin + paracetamol once, maybe twice a day, instead of every 4 hours I was doing originally. My liver rejoices. :)

Aprosowosols, no problems uploading:
16/11/2014 14:07:11 | SETI@home | Started upload of 26se14as.20200.9175.438086664204.12.99_1_0
16/11/2014 14:07:15 | SETI@home | Finished upload of 26se14as.20200.9175.438086664204.12.99_1_0
16/11/2014 14:07:15 | SETI@home | [file_xfer] Throughput 22277 bytes/sec
6144) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC website is displaying in multiple languages at the same time (Message 57673)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm in The Netherlands, have set my Windows time and date to UTC(+01:00) Amsterdam... time. Windows is set to English.

Region and Language Format is set to Dutch.
Date and time follows European settings.
Location: Netherlands.
Keyboard and Languages->General->Default input language English (United States).
Keyboard and Languages->General->Installed services: English, keyboard US.
Keyboard and Languages->Display language: English.

Boinc.berkeley.edu language is set to English.
Browser (Pale Moon) character encoding set to Unicode (UTF-8).

That text:
Use the idle time on your computer (Windows, Mac, Linux, or Android) to cure diseases, study global warming, discover pulsars, and do many other types of scientific research. It's safe, secure, and easy:

Choose projects
Download BOINC software
Enter an email address and password.

Or, if you run several projects, try an account manager such as GridRepublic or BAM!.

For Android devices, download the BOINC or HTC Power To Give app from the Google Play Store.

But, I do see that that last sentence is not translated when checking the site with Internet Explorer 11. It shows in English in an otherwise completely Dutch page. So we can easily deduct that that sentence hasn't been translated yet and therefore shows in the original language it is in.
6145) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.4.27 Notices not working. (Message 57672)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Notices don't just only show news from projects, they're also there to give the user possible error messages that the user can (easily) fix. Problems with any of the editable XML files, for instance.

If you've set up BOINC to allow BOINC Manager or BOINCTasks to access remote computers, this is also something that will show up when debugging the notices.

This part:
15 November 2014 - 22:47:59 Html create ---- ERROR: Unable to find: C:\Documents and Settings\John Kerr\Application Data\eFMer\BoincTasks\html\tasks_template.html
15 November 2014 - 22:47:59 Start Ftp ---- ERROR: Unable to start: C:\Documents and Settings\John Kerr\Application Data\eFMer\BoincTasks\html\ftp.bat

That may be due to:
- you having copied the data directory from the Boinc1 system to the system it runs on, without cleaning its files up.
- remote_hosts.cfg not being able to contact the host.
- something BOINCTasks does.

But really, without a lot more information on how you set everything up, it's difficult to guess.
Since your original problem seems to have been solved, and you cannot reproduce it at the moment, I'm not sure we need to go into it so much as well. Just go back to the Diagnostic Flag window and uncheck "notice_debug"
6146) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57668)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oooh-arrrrr, all those new people.
6147) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.4.27 Notices not working. (Message 57645)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects have you added?
What kind of message do you get in Event Log when you enable "notice_debug" in the Event Log Diagnostic Flags window?
6148) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Client (Ubuntu) config problems when using account manager (Message 57641)
Posted 15 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I think it's a good idea to post about this on the BAM forums as well, because there's not much activity happening on the email I sent about this problem.
6149) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 57638)
Posted 15 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC project personnel: Dr. David P. Anderson
Welcome to MediaWiki.org
Help: Editing pages
Help: Formatting your text

It isn't that difficult.
6150) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 57636)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, that's already been reported in the development thread, I have run it as well and forwarded what I saw to the developers.

I'll forward your report as well.
6151) Message boards : Android : BOINC won't start (Message 57633)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you report this at BAM as well? I'll forward it to our Android developer.
6152) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC cannot remember computing preference (Message 57632)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am running the latest version BOINC manager on a Ubuntu linux machine.

From the help thread I pointed out:
Linux specific questions
• In all cases: Please tell us which BOINC version you are using. You can find this information in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager, or in case you run without the manager, it'll be in the first line in the start-up messages which either save to the command line window, or to stdoutdae.txt

• Which BOINC are you using, the one from your Linux package manager or the one from Berkeley?

I have 3 projects..

And you see this behaviour on all three projects?
Since it seems to emanate from using the BOINC Account Manager, have you reported this behaviour on their forums?
6153) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 57630)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That list is out of date, add Atlas@home.

Clicks heals together, quick salutes, exclaiming "yessir, sir".

Next time a please would do wonders. Or you can email David, get your own account at the BOINC Wiki and add it yourself.
6154) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.4.26/.27 released to the public (Message 57625)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's because VirtualBox installs its own virtual network adapter and virtual network account. Normally this fixes itself after installation of VirtualBox, but at times it can require a reboot.

Mind that this is a function that VirtualBox installs, it's outside of Berkeley's possibilities to fix this.

You also do not require the BOINC with VirtualBox version if you do not plan on running any of the projects it supports. Instead you can just install the version without VirtualBox.
6155) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 57618)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pre-warning Seti without work.
Matt Lebovsky, administrator Seti@Home wrote:
We are likely to (temporarily) run out of workunits to process as soon as this weekend. Please read this recent news item from Eric Korpela for further explanation of technical issues leading up to this. We are currently solving various database issues, developing a new splitter so we can start processing our Green Bank Telescope data, and hunting for tapes that haven't fully been processed to get out of the current drought.
6156) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57617)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:

Well great, it's a jaw infection. Or more likely, an infection of the muscles and tendons around my jaw joint. Am on Claritromycin for a week. Which will mean I have a possibility of seeing Panda's again in the living room. Of the past 5 times I had these meds, 4 times I saw Panda's. 8-D


At least pandas aren't aggressive creatures so you should feel peace :)


Just don't wear anything resembling bamboo :)

Ack.
6157) Message boards : Android : BOINC won't start (Message 57614)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit:

Rom Walton wrote:
Just uninstalling BOINC on an Android device should remove the data directory.

/data/data/edu.berkeley.boinc is where the app is installed too. If the app no longer shows up in the application list, I think it is safe to assume the data directory has been deleted.
6158) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57612)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, at least the person who thought it funny to spread his cold, thanks. I haven't got the sniffles, but by whole jaw hurts on the left side (it feels like I have toothache in what's left over of my teeth and molars there, but I don't); I can hardly stoop without the pain exploding. One thank you though, I am not hungry, so perhaps I can now lose a pound.

Well great, it's a jaw infection. Or more likely, an infection of the muscles and tendons around my jaw joint. Am on Claritromycin for a week. Which will mean I have a possibility of seeing Panda's again in the living room. Of the past 5 times I had these meds, 4 times I saw Panda's. 8-D

But at least these work against bacterial inflammations.
It'll just mean that for the next 2 days I won't be driving a car, due to getting accustomed to these medicines. Although, having had the dizzy spins due to the ear ache isn't something fun on the highway either. Not that I can drive the car, as the road builders have broken up part of the street, right in front of my parking spot, so I wonder if I can even actually leave. ;-)
6159) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC cannot remember computing preference (Message 57611)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you give more information, please? And also check whether this thread is the problem you have?
6160) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Client (Ubuntu) config problems when using account manager (Message 57610)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here's what I see:

Both global_prefs.xml files show that BAM is the source project for the preferences, which would mean there's a problem with BAM its preferences being sent to the projects, or with how they're received by the projects.

The global preferences are set in one location, these are read whenever your BOINC contacts the project, and sent to the other projects when BOINC contacts those, thus they propagate to all active projects you've got added to your BOINC.

Seeing how the "bad config" has a newer mod time than the "good config" I can only assume it's a problem with BAM.
bad: <mod_time>1415659724</mod_time>
good: <mod_time>1415659723</mod_time>


Seeing same examples at BAM forums, it would seem that this is some bug that's been long in the tooth at BAM.

I'll ask the developers about if this is a BOINC problem, just to be safe.
6161) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.27 install problem (Message 57600)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you for telling about this. The developer thinks it's a problem that wxwidgets has with a non-ASCII alphabet setup (something that would easily happen when you run everything in Greek). He is willing to build a debug version of Boinc for you, if you're willing to run it then.
6162) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57592)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
At least a couple of problems I see through your logs:
Sorry, a very long event log:

POGS and WUprop@home: resource share = 100
Simap, WCG and iGEM@home: resource share = 0

12/11/2014 01:18:48 | | [work_fetch] ------- start work fetch state -------
12/11/2014 01:18:48 | | [work_fetch] target work buffer: 17280.00 + 17280.00 sec
12/11/2014 01:18:48 | | [work_fetch] --- project states ---
12/11/2014 01:18:48 | WUProp@Home | [work_fetch] REC 0.002 prio -0.002 can't request work: non CPU intensive
12/11/2014 01:18:48 | pogs | [work_fetch] REC 222.960 prio -0.892 can request work
12/11/2014 01:18:48 | boincsimap | [work_fetch] REC 0.970 prio -1000.004 can request work
12/11/2014 01:18:48 | iGEM@home | [work_fetch] REC 26.106 prio -1000.104 can request work
12/11/2014 01:18:48 | World Community Grid | [work_fetch] REC 385.441 prio -1001.544 can't request work: "no new tasks" requested via Manager

These continue like this all the way through. The one thing I do see why your WCG won't request work is because you set it to No New Tasks through BOINC Manager. So that accounts for WCG.

As for 7.0.64 you used the wrong URL for iGEM@Home:
12/11/2014 04:01:04 | iGEM@home | URL http://igemathome.org/; Computer ID 567; resource share 0

12/11/2014 04:02:11 | iGEM@home | [work_fetch] request: CPU (1.00 sec, 4.00 inst) intel_gpu (0.00 sec, 0.00 inst)
12/11/2014 04:02:11 | iGEM@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
12/11/2014 04:02:11 | iGEM@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
12/11/2014 04:02:12 | iGEM@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
12/11/2014 04:02:12 | iGEM@home | You used the wrong URL for this project. When convenient, remove this project, then add http://igemathome.org/igemathome/
12/11/2014 04:02:12 | iGEM@home | No tasks sent
12/11/2014 04:02:12 | iGEM@home | [work_fetch] backing off CPU 409 sec

If this was added this way through BAM, you should inform them of the new URL this project has.

And WCG is still:
12/11/2014 04:02:17 | World Community Grid | [work_fetch] REC 382.432 prio -1000.000000 can't req work: "no new tasks" requested via Manager


Thanks for both logs, I will forward these to the developers.
6163) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android question (Message 57571)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm just wondering if the 9999 will take hold and keep the phone on Beta if and when it's available and only fall back to Main when it's not.

No, the 'only fall back' scenario is the one where you use the zero resource share for the backup project. Now you'll do lots of Beta and once every so many times do Seti Main even when Beta has work.
6164) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57567)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or put water in my ear? I already took one shower, won't mind getting more of that soothing hot water over my head...
6165) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android question (Message 57566)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
(Yes, I asked this at Seti, but I'm not sure my wording made my question clear to everybody. I got generic answers about the Android client not obeying any of the other web site prefs, and about clients always overriding web site prefs, but this is a setting that's not on the client.)

The Android client uses the local computing preferences for how to compute anything, but uses the project preferences the moment it makes contact with that project. At first attach to project it will get the project preferences in for this device. So yes, it should consider the resource share among projects.

But with that in mind, is the RS zet to anything higher than zero?
For we might have stumbled upon a buglet where BOINC (big BOINC) refuses to ask work from a zero RS project when it has no applications downloaded for that project.
6166) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57562)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great, I see they have released 7.4.27 to the public and notified no one.
6167) Message boards : Projects : Problem with no disk space for SETI@home (Message 57561)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Total disk usage used by BOINC 1.05 GB
free, available to BOINC 225.00 GB
free not available to BOINC 146.32 GB
used by other programs 79.73 GB

Disk & Memory Preferences set as:
use at most 300 GB
leave at least 100 GB free
use at most 50% total
use at most 50% page file

Same question here, what size hard drive do you use?

Given the above figures, (1.05+225+146.32+79.73)= 452.1 GB
If 452.1Gb is total hard drive space, your setting of use 50% already maxes things out, as weirdly enough exactly half of that figure is already used by other things (free not available to BOINC 146.32 GB + used by other programs 79.73 GB) = 226.05GB

That leaves out the leave 100GB free requirement.
6168) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57559)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, now you ask and I set my mind to it, jaws: lower and upper left, coming from my ear.

Thanks for sharing AB. I know where to find you when flu comes along.

PS: max 6 x 500mg aspirin per 24 hours, I know. At least these work for an hour, the paracetamol just laughed in my face and did nothing.
6169) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57555)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did WCG in your case already have the application(s) downloaded for the sub-project you want it to run at zero RS?
6170) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57550)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, at least the person who thought it funny to spread his cold, thanks. I haven't got the sniffles, but by whole jaw hurts on the left side (it feels like I have toothache in what's left over of my teeth and molars there, but I don't); I can hardly stoop without the pain exploding. One thank you though, I am not hungry, so perhaps I can now lose a pound.

Next time though give me the full cold, with the sniffles, the sneezing, the coughing, the coarse voice, the no voice period, etc.

Eating aspirins.
6171) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57549)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you run a couple of rounds with these debug flags and post their output?
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>

You can use the new Advanced->Event Log Diagnostic Flags window to easily set these without having to mess with Notepad or another editor.

Edit: I am testing it and have sent a preliminary report to the developers. Could still use a couple of rounds of logs from you though.

Edit2: Elektra did post some logs, but due to their length I removed them from this thread.
6172) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57546)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe loading Bruno's replacement into a pickup truck to haul if from the SSL down to the co-lo.

Gotta wonder what it's going to be called. Bruna? Brunhilde?
6173) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57525)
Posted 11 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me cleans up the bar, washes the left milk glasses. Washes specks of red dye from the secret two way mirror. Leaves a broom at the door for Chris.
6174) Message boards : Projects : Problem with no disk space for SETI@home (Message 57515)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
How big is the hard drive that the C: and D: partitions are on? The "Use at most 40% of total disk space" value is calculated over the whole hard drive, not just the partition BOINC its data directory is on.
6175) Message boards : Projects : Problem with no disk space for SETI@home (Message 57513)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tools->Computing preferences->Disk and memory usage.

Assistenten->Einstellungen->Nutzung vond Festplatte und Speicher.
6176) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57508)
Posted 9 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think, breath(e), and respond like a cat.

Mahow. Maaahow. Meow, mahow. Mew.

Hope your barf-breath smells better than that of Wokkel. Not fun when she first pukes the hairball out, then comes lying on my chest purring barf-breath.

With that said, I'm off to bed early. The gas company will be knocking on my door at 7.30am to start their works on the gas mains (till noon they guestimate). Something about coating the inside of the gas pipes with something or the other, and them needing to have access to the whole flat at the same time. All this time all gas is off, so it'll be getting cold in the flat without the central heating on.

But luckily I found that doing Seti on a GPU rises the temperature of the room by 4 degrees Celsius. So I guess both my computers will pump out Seti when it starts to get cold. Gotta use up the electricity my central heating device isn't using during all those hours. ;-)

Night all, and behave yourself.
6177) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with acount info. (Message 57507)
Posted 9 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
My account as well as most of my projects I believe have been compromised
by a hacker from Oman.

I wonder why you feel so specifically that a hacker from Oman has done something to your accounts. What would his gain be for him?

Some of my username and passwords for certain projects look as if they no longer exist.

Projects use the email address and password combination, only World Community Grid uses as far as I know the actual username and password. The email address is the unique identifier.

Is there a way I can recover programs in question (Seti@home and asteroids@home.)

As stated by Claggy, you can ask both projects to email you a 24 hour login link, or use the authenticator key of either project to log in. That's explained on their sites.
For Seti use this link: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu//get_passwd.php
For Asteroids use this link: http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/get_passwd.php (but wait for the project to come back online first, as it appears to have an outage of sorts).

I have been a member of BOINC since about 1997.

BOINC is the successor of Seti@Home. Seti@Home started in 1999 and ended in 2005. In 2002 BOINC started development, with it going live on the 26th of August 2004 when Climateprediction.net went live for the public.
These boards have been live since 1 September 2005.
6178) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57490)
Posted 9 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm off to dinner in a bit. When I return, I expect either to see blood on the inside of the windows of the Cafe, or for everyone here to have made up and joined brotherly at the bar drinking milk. For you all to figure which way to go.
6179) Message boards : Android : "Force start" button (Message 57469)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for that Stephen. I hardly ever went to the group, so just assumed everything was still hunky dory. Could of course have figured something to be wrong as their version is still only 7.4.14

I've edited the "24 hours - no help" thread to point to the developers list.
6180) Message boards : Android : "Force start" button (Message 57463)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Google group is the place where one can find the Android developers Joachim and Rom.
6181) Message boards : Android : "Force start" button (Message 57434)
Posted 7 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC for Android is specifically developed with the rapidly dwindling battery in the back of the developer's head, therefore the default setting is that BOINC only runs when the device is on a charger and with a battery volume of 90% or higher.

Adding any button to override this preference immediately is counter-intuitive on devices like this. So for the user to override that default, he'll have to jump through some hoops to get there. Just so he knows all the time that this isn't something that Berkeley likes him to do on this device.

And btw is it the right place i can write a feature requests?

The BOINC for Android Google group is where the developers reside.
6182) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57424)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who said anything about banning you here? I sure didn't, and since I am fraternizing with you, I can't do that to you. And as long as we're still on speaking terms, I don't see why I would need to threaten you with any such thing.

You're still welcome here, you're allowed to rant. All I ask is that you tone it down with the swear words, and okay maybe in the blame-laying department. But that's up to you. I know how difficult it is to rant without laying blame. :-)
6183) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG Screen Saver Project Graphic Flickers only with Boinc Screensaver: Windows 7 & Boinc 7.2.47 (Message 57422)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The last three times I gave dates on these things, I was shot down every time. So my best guess is, when the developers feel there are no show stoppers this time. ;-)
6184) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG Screen Saver Project Graphic Flickers only with Boinc Screensaver: Windows 7 & Boinc 7.2.47 (Message 57419)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's a problem with the BOINC screen saver, correct. It's fixed in 7.4 which is in the final test phase, so when we release the new version, WCG may do so quickly thereafter as well.
6185) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57418)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
PS: I asked Eric about it, you are not permanently banished at Seti, but your banishment does run into the new year. So be prepared to sit it out a little longer.

Edit: it would seem that next week you'll get to hear the end-date.
6186) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57417)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mark, ranting is okay with me, but can you take it down a notch in the 'dirty words' department and the laying of blame, please? As far as I know Eric isn't reading here, while those that do are getting a little ruffled. Before I know it they expect me to take action, which I hate to do.

We're all mature people here, so perhaps it's time we all showed in our posts, ey? :)
6187) Message boards : Android : "Force start" button (Message 57410)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So it wouldn't be necessary to change global options if i want to start the computations now.

BOINC for Android only uses local preferences, no global (online) preferences.

So you can set the "battery slider" to 10% or less for that matter.
6188) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57409)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton, BOINC developer for Windows and Linux wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new version for Windows which enables detection of CUDA 1.0 devices with the latest drivers. That is the only change that went into .27.

This is a release candidate.

Please report your test results as quickly as possible to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6189) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57401)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bye Mark. Know you're always welcome here.
6190) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57396)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
*knock knock*

Good one. That had me hee-hing.
6191) Message boards : Questions and problems : New project uses old data. (Message 57395)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So? Disable you new account, add a non-existing email address into its account options. Then edit your account at BOINC Wide Teams, change the email address there to your new one. Hopefully you still know your BWT password.

This data will propagate to all projects that use BWT, but depending on how many times a {period of time} they allow for this data to be received, this may take some time.

Edit: ignore the bit of info about the authenticator key as that's not used. I flagged that already to BOINC Dev.
6192) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 57373)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.27 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

&lt;cpu_sched_debug&gt;: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
&lt;work_fetch_debug&gt;: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
&lt;rr_simulation&gt;: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
&lt;sched_op_debug&gt;: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.26 -> 7.4.27

  • client: Allow using NVIDIA GPUs with Compute Capability < 2.0 with CUDA driver 6.5 or later on non-Mac platforms. Future versions of CUDA will drop support for these GPUs on all platforms and presumably not report these GPUs, so we still explain that situation in the Event Log and Notices.



Available installers:

Windows 7.4.27
- boinc_7.4.27_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.27_windows_x86_64.exe

6193) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57371)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord, I send you my very best regards, and I hope that your medical problem can get treated with a positive outcome. Take care.

Well no. I've been treated in 5 different ways now and it always returns with a vengeance. I know Blurf is right, that losing weight will most probably fix it, but for the first time in quite a long time I feel otherwise good about myself. I beat smoking, I beat drinking, both of those added weight.

I've never been a sporting person, so you won't easily see me go to a gym or other sports parlor. Besides, I ain't exactly swimming in money and the €115,- for the 12 turns is a little too much for me, we already are €150,- short at the end of the month.

Before anyone starts with warnings of diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and those things, I have been checked and results are 'no, not susceptible', 'no, 110/70' and 'no, I have a 1% chance I drop dead in the next 7 years'. So uh... other than my lousy feet... :)

I have special custom-made shoes and implants made for my feet. But when your feet already hurt, these don't do their magic.

But alas, enough about me. Who knows a good joke?
6194) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57358)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, it would seem that you prefer me to put some ground rules down over what you can talk about in this thread/forum. There are no rules. If you want to have a conversation about (the following lines are my own opinion, I do not want to force them upon anyone) how stupid it is for America to shoot themselves in their collective feet by voting almost solely for those lying cheating Republicans, then go ahead, be my guest. Or if you want to rejoice about that fact, also fine.

That Jord isn't happy is not due to anything happening here on the forums, no need to appease me. Jord's not happy because both his feet now have plantar fasciitis and it's now hurting almost all hours of the day, with not much let off.
6195) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57350)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ummmm, I can reply if Jord is happy.

Today Jord is not happy. But don't let my state of mind deter you from doing what you feel needs doing, ever. Continue as you were, I am off again to the library looking for books for my mom.
6196) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57322)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We have that fun spam here as well. Phone numbers such as 001234567890 calling you, or for a while just 001. They would call my mom and always start with "Do you speak English?". So the one time I picked up the phone there, I told them that yes I did speak English and that I'd informed the police of their scam. That was the last time she was called by these creepers. :P

As for Seti, glad that I increased my cache to 5 days yesterday (prior to the download debacle). I may not have 5 days worth of GPU work, but at least enough for BOINC to work through till tomorrow if need be. And with my computer going into hibernation just before I am off to bed, BOINC won't be able to do any work then anyway. :)
6197) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC 7.4 removes support for CUDA GPUs that run CUDA 6.5 drivers on Macintosh computers (Message 57319)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton, BOINC developer Linux and Windows wrote:
We will be backing out the change that blocked the using older Nvidia cards with newer drivers on Windows.

I'll be pushing out a .27 build for Windows.

We will just let the validators of the respective projects sort out the invalid results.

----- Rom
6198) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57318)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton, BOINC developer Linux and Windows wrote:
We will be backing out the change that blocked the using older Nvidia cards with newer drivers on Windows.

I'll be pushing out a .27 build for Windows.

We will just let the validators of the respective projects sort out the invalid results.

----- Rom
6199) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57298)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:

That can't be a real system, too clean on the inside. No speck of dust anywhere. Impossible.
6200) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57297)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Marketing promised it WHEN????!!!!

Oh, I have been playing it since its launch in April. I was just referring to update 5 coming in so damn slow that I wouldn't play it anytime soon at that time. It's in now. About to be flabbergasted at what they broke this time. ;-)
6201) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57296)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC itself doesn't need to support CUDA or OpenCL, that's something the science applications need to have. BOINC will be able to detect a GPU that can do any version of OpenCL.
6202) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57285)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Updating Elderscrolls Online. First bit of the patch, 4GB came in at 12MB/sec. Second bit of the patch, 6GB comes in at 2MB/sec. Not going to play this soon then. And as with every bit of software, there's big bugs in this release (big patch 5). But let's release it anyway, huh? :)
6203) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57282)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pages with threads is an old thing. But pages within a thread is a new thing.
Just look at this thread at EInstein, all 217 posts is one page. No option to set Display this many messages per page in Message display.

Edit: Thanks Richard.
Edit2: Creepies, thank Raistmer. http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/pipermail/boinc_dev/2012-July/018645.html
6204) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57279)
Posted 4 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is BOINC, where you can thank David and Jord for the pages.

David yes, me though?
Now here's a good question, since when do we have those pages per thread? I can't find any mention of them being added in Trac nor Git.
6205) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57266)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton, BOINC developer for Macintosh wrote:
While one can debate the issue for Windows where the "only" issue is silently returning incorrect results, we have demonstrated that running OpenCL apps on Macs with older NVIDIA GPUs and CUDA 6.5 installed causes _frequent_ kernel panics, which are the Mac equivalent of Windows blue screens of death.

Having the OS crash and restart every 10 minutes (literally) is totally unacceptable. Users will tend to blame BOINC, which is clearly a very bad situation.

As it turns out, older versions of BOINC did not recognize the existence of CUDA at all after CUDA 6.5 was installed, because CUDA 6.5 also dropped 32-bit support. (This has been fixed in BOINC 7.4.26.) So users of older versions of BOINC on Macs are fortunately spared the kernel panics.

So it was imperative for BOINC to refuse to run situations that will crash the OS. Because of the (different) proven problems on Windows, we decided to extend that protection to Windows as well.
6206) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC 7.4 removes support for CUDA GPUs that run CUDA 6.5 drivers on Macintosh computers (Message 57265)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Explanation behind the decision not to support older Nvidia GPUs that run CUDA 6.5 drivers:

Charlie Fenton, BOINC developer for Macintosh wrote:
While one can debate the issue for Windows where the "only" issue is silently returning incorrect results, we have demonstrated that running OpenCL apps on Macs with older NVIDIA GPUs and CUDA 6.5 installed causes _frequent_ kernel panics, which are the Mac equivalent of Windows blue screens of death.

Having the OS crash and restart every 10 minutes (literally) is totally unacceptable. Users will tend to blame BOINC, which is clearly a very bad situation.

As it turns out, older versions of BOINC did not recognize the existence of CUDA at all after CUDA 6.5 was installed, because CUDA 6.5 also dropped 32-bit support. (This has been fixed in BOINC 7.4.26.) So users of older versions of BOINC on Macs are fortunately spared the kernel panics.

So it was imperative for BOINC to refuse to run situations that will crash the OS. Because of the (different) proven problems on Windows, we decided to extend that protection to Windows as well.
6207) Message boards : Questions and problems : New project uses old data. (Message 57264)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/
6208) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 57261)
Posted 2 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
When BOINC 7.4 is released to the public, you who run older Nvidia GPUs may notice that your GPU is no longer being used by BOINC for Macintosh. This happens only when you updated your drivers to 340.xx or later, or otherwise added CUDA 6.5 support on your computer. Nvidia released CUDA 6.5 earlier this year and in its documentation it states that it will drop support for all compute capability GPUs 1.0 to 1.3.

Despite NVIDIA's claims that CUDA 6.5 still supports GPUs with compute capabilities 1.0 through 1.3, we have found that it does not. Please see:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75633&postid=1571811#1571811 and
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/774899/cuda-programming-and-performance/340-52-driver-breaks-opencl-support-for-pre-fermi-cc-1-x-cards/ for more information.

We have found that once CUDA 6.5 is installed on Macintosh computers, OpenCL applications (e.g. Seti Astropulse v7 and Collatz Conjecture) cause frequent kernel panics (i.e, they crash the OS!) on systems with older NVIDIA GPUs.

In addition, the people working on SETI@home have found that OpenCL applications return incorrect results on Windows computers with older GPUs which have the NVIDIA 340.xx range of drivers (those which have CUDA 6.5), even though it appears to the user that it works properly. For the moment Seti will rely on the use of the validators to weed out these erroneous tasks from the correct ones.

Notice we are talking about OpenCL applications, not just CUDA apps.

The Macintosh installer for BOINC 7.4.26 includes a ReadMe, which now says:
CUDA UPGRADE WARNING: Do not upgrade to CUDA 6.5 or later if you have an older NVIDIA GPU with Compute Capability 1.3 or less. You can check your GPU’s Compute Capability at https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-gpus

To use BOINC 7.4.26 and beyond with older NVIDIA GPUs on Macintosh computers, you must install an older version of the drivers.

You can find older CUDA drivers at http://www.nvidia.com/object/mac-driver-archive.html. Note: after mounting the downloaded disk image, you may need to control-click on the CUDA installer package to open it.

Below is an example of how BOINC will report your GPU:
NVIDIA GPU 0: Quadro FX 3800M cannot be used for CUDA or OpenCL computation with CUDA driver 6.5 or later
CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0 (not used): Quadro FX 3800M (driver version 340.84, CUDA version 6.5, compute capability 1.1, 1024MB, 862MB available, 634 GFLOPS peak)
OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0 (not used): Quadro FX 3800M (driver version 340.84, device version OpenCL 1.0 CUDA, 1024MB, 862MB available, 634 GFLOPS peak)

Note that there is no cc_config.xml option to force the GPU to be used anyway, as it doesn't make sense to allow a GPU that returns only erroneous work to be used.
6209) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC 7.4 removes support for CUDA GPUs that run CUDA 6.5 drivers on Macintosh computers (Message 57260)
Posted 2 Nov 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
When BOINC 7.4 is released to the public, you who run older Nvidia GPUs may notice that your GPU is no longer being used by BOINC for Macintosh. This happens only when you updated your drivers to 340.xx or later, or otherwise added CUDA 6.5 support on your computer. Nvidia released CUDA 6.5 earlier this year and in its documentation it states that it will drop support for all compute capability GPUs 1.0 to 1.3.

Despite NVIDIA's claims that CUDA 6.5 still supports GPUs with compute capabilities 1.0 through 1.3, we have found that it does not. Please see:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75633&postid=1571811#1571811 and
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/774899/cuda-programming-and-performance/340-52-driver-breaks-opencl-support-for-pre-fermi-cc-1-x-cards/ for more information.

We have found that once CUDA 6.5 is installed on Macintosh computers, OpenCL applications (e.g. Seti Astropulse v7 and Collatz Conjecture) cause frequent kernel panics (i.e, they crash the OS!) on systems with older NVIDIA GPUs.

In addition, the people working on SETI@home have found that OpenCL applications return incorrect results on Windows computers with older GPUs which have the NVIDIA 340.xx range of drivers (those which have CUDA 6.5), even though it appears to the user that it works properly. For the moment Seti will rely on the use of the validators to weed out these erroneous tasks from the correct ones.

Notice we are talking about OpenCL applications, not just CUDA apps.

The Macintosh installer for BOINC 7.4.26 includes a ReadMe, which now says:
CUDA UPGRADE WARNING: Do not upgrade to CUDA 6.5 or later if you have an older NVIDIA GPU with Compute Capability 1.3 or less. You can check your GPU’s Compute Capability at https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-gpus

To use BOINC 7.4.26 and beyond with older NVIDIA GPUs on Macintosh computers, you must install an older version of the drivers.

You can find older CUDA drivers at http://www.nvidia.com/object/mac-driver-archive.html. Note: after mounting the downloaded disk image, you may need to control-click on the CUDA installer package to open it.

Below is an example of how BOINC will report your GPU:
NVIDIA GPU 0: Quadro FX 3800M cannot be used for CUDA or OpenCL computation with CUDA driver 6.5 or later
CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0 (not used): Quadro FX 3800M (driver version 340.84, CUDA version 6.5, compute capability 1.1, 1024MB, 862MB available, 634 GFLOPS peak)
OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0 (not used): Quadro FX 3800M (driver version 340.84, device version OpenCL 1.0 CUDA, 1024MB, 862MB available, 634 GFLOPS peak)

Note that there is no cc_config.xml option to force the GPU to be used anyway, as it doesn't make sense to allow a GPU that returns only erroneous work to be used.
6210) Message boards : Projects : Orbit@Home Revival Imminent? (Message 57247)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think it's a spammer, have for the time being removed the post due to the suspect signature.
6211) Message boards : BOINC client : Unable to download files due to Checksum/Certificate Errors (Message 57246)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yay! Great!
I'll notify the developers then that this isn't a problem with the new client. Thanks for answering. :)
6212) Message boards : BOINC client : Unable to download files due to Checksum/Certificate Errors (Message 57239)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to the developers, the "Unable to verify 'app-name' using certificates" error only occurs if you have set &lt;use_certs_only&gt;1&lt;/use_certs_only&gt; in your cc_config.xml file. Did you do so, possibly by accident?

Many or most project applications do not use the '509' certificate but use alternate methods of file verification, so this is to be expected when <use_certs_only> is set. From the wiki:
> &lt;use_certs_only&gt;0|1&lt;/use_certs_only&gt;
> Accept only applications signed with X509 certificates. New in 6.3.11


Edit: always forget I can't do XML containers without HTML hooha. ;-)
6213) Message boards : BOINC client : Unable to download files due to Checksum/Certificate Errors (Message 57236)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thanks for that. I am forwarding your thread to the developers, especially the one for the Mac, as I don't know if this is an OSX problem (lack of correct certificates) or a BOINC problem (problem with libcurl/ca-bundle).
6214) Message boards : BOINC client : Unable to download files due to Checksum/Certificate Errors (Message 57232)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Logs: anything of date in stdoutdae.txt
Because checksum- and certificate errors happen at download, please enable the &lt;http_debug&gt; flag through BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Event Log diagnostic flags...

Next exit & restart BOINC (BOINC Manager->File->Exit, click "Stop running tasks when exiting BOINC Manager"->OK, then restart BOINC in the normal manner). This to ensure that we have a clean event log.
Contact any project out there (Projects->select project->Update), wait for the contact to finish, Advanced->Event Log, Copy all. Post that in an answer here.

Simple questions:
1. Do you have any firewall or other blocking software on that Mac?
2. You did allow the BOINC binary to make contact with the internet through TCP and UDP ports 80 and 416?
6215) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI units using GPU do not complete (Message 57229)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Computing problems are best posted on the forums of the project, as the computing is done with their science applications. If you feel you do still need help through here, then at least post more information.

A sticky progress bar can be attributed to a problem with a (new) application.
But in any case, it's difficult to diagnose without seeing what the task ended doing, or the BOINC version it happened on.
6216) Message boards : Questions and problems : NFS@home posting problem. (Message 57213)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Akismet will flag any URL as potential spam, even those by the project you're on. You can probably post the post without problems if you don't post the link, or when you break up the link.
6217) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 57198)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.26 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.
BOINC 7.4.25 available for testing for Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.



REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

&lt;cpu_sched_debug&gt;: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
&lt;work_fetch_debug&gt;: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
&lt;rr_simulation&gt;: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
&lt;sched_op_debug&gt;: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.22 -> 7.4.23

  • boinccmd: accept [IPv6_addr]:port as --hostname arg
  • API: Fix a bug in boinc_get_opencl_ids() which incorrectly returned CL_INVALID_DEVICE on some systems. This would happen on hosts with multiple GPUs if:
    • the host has GPUs from two different vendors with different OpenCL platforms (e.g., NVIDIA and AMD), and
    • the second platform queried has more GPUs than the first one, and
    • the requested GPU is a higher numbed one in the second platform.
  • client (Unix): when get vbox version, make sure it's not an error msg.
  • MGR: Fix a problem where OS X's software firewall can cause RPC authorization to fail.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.23 -> 7.4.24


  • lib: On Mac, count ScreenSaverEngine as a BOINC process so BOINC screensaver doesn't cause BOINC to suspend tasks because it thinks CPU is busy.
  • MGR: Fix a bug which shrunk the height of the project URL textedit field in the Attach Wizard's Project Info Page so you could not read it when the language is Czech, Russian, Slovak or Ukrainian.
    • NOTE: all static text fields must be filled in with the localized strings _before_ determining window size by calling Fit(), Layout(), etc. Setting labels in OnPageChanged() is too late.
  • client: If CUDA driver 6.5 or later is installed, prevent use of NVIDIA GPUs with Compute Capability &lt; 2.0 and show explanation in Event Log and Notices.
  • client: fix incorrect format specifier when writing out OpenCL items which have size cl_uint.
    • This caused garbage to be written by Mac x86_64 clients.
    • It now works correctly for 32-bit and 64-bit Windows clients, but needs to be tested for Linux clients.
  • client: a more cross-platform way to fix the mismatch between format specifier and data than my previous commit.
    • This should be safe on all platforms.
  • client: fix minor bug in previous commit - the cast should be to unsigned long, not signed long.
  • API and client: add boinc_finish_message(): exit and show message to user.
  • client: add notion of sticky file lifetime.
    If a &lt;file_info&gt; in scheduler RPC reply specifies &lt;sticky_lifetime&gt;, the client will calculate a "sticky_expire_time", store it in the client state file, and make the file unsticky when that time is reached.
    • Note: if a later RPC reply includes the same file, the client will update sticky_expire_time. So if a file is used repeatedly it won't get expired.
  • client: if 64-bit host is running 32-bit client, post a notice since it can't detect VirtualBox.
  • client: add &lt;dont_use_vbox&gt; cc_config option.
  • client: fix bug in finish-file logic.
  • Manager: omit ", high priority" from task status. This makes it sound like BOINC is running the job at high OS priority.
  • MGR: Add support for querying simple account creation information from supported browsers.
  • client: Inform Windows we know about Windows 10.
  • MGR: Sync browser cookie lookups to David's commit.
  • MGR: Add 1-click attach stub UI element for testing. In advanced menu in the advanced UI.
  • client: fix bug where &lt;dont_use_vbox&gt; config option wasn't being parsed.
  • MGR: Finish skeleton 1 click attach functionality. Final text TBD.
  • MGR: fix Unix build.
  • MGR: Support cookie detection on newer versions of Chrome.
  • MGR: Fix Internet Explorer 11 cookie detection mechanism. Possibly other variations of Internet Explorer as well.
  • MGR: in simple attach, get inst and desc cookies also.
  • MGR: Add check for the "attach_known" cookie used by the 1-click attach mechanism.
  • MGR: add more info to simple attach page.
  • client: code cleanup.
  • client: work fetch code cleanup. The logic for deciding whether to fetch work for a project or a (project, resource type) pair was scattered among several functions, with confusing names. Consolidate this logic, and use consistent names.
  • client: code cleanup and possible debugging in work fetch
    • Remove code that tries to keep track of available GPU RAM, and defer jobs that don't fit. This never worked, it relied on project estimates of RAM usage, and it's been replaced by having the app do temporary exit if alloc fails.
    • Move logic for checking for deferred jobs from CPU to work fetch.
    • Rename rsc_defer_sched to has_deferred_job, and move it from PROJECT to RSC_PROJECT_WORK_FETCH.
    • tweak work_fetch_debug output.
  • client: small code cleanup.
  • client: let a MT job run even if it uses more than max # CPUs. Suppose the user fetches an 8-CPU job, then changes their prefs to use 6 CPUs. Let the job run anyway.
  • client and manager: improve messages for boinc_temporary_exit() situations. Use "postponed" to describe tasks that called boinc_temporary_exit() and are waiting to be run again, in
    • the manager Tasks tab (replace "Waiting to run (Scheduler wait: x")).
    • event log (replace "task called temporary_exit()").
    • notices (replace "Can't run task").
  • WINBUILD: Adjust target name to match linker configuration to help with debugging.
  • client: message tweaks.
  • MGR: Fix the layout of the 1-click attach welcome screen.
  • MGR: Switch over to using a static control for the project description, it'll support multiple lines and looks more natural.
  • client, Android: clear out project directory on project reset.
    When a project is reset, the client deletes all the files from its dir that BOINC knows about. However, there may be other files, created by its apps. On Android, where space is likely to be scarce, delete these when the project is reset.
    Maybe we should do this on all projects. But we'd need to not to delete user-created files like app_config.xml, and anonymous-platform stuff like app_info.xml and the app files.
  • client: remove &lt;data_dir&gt; option from cc_config.xml
    This leads to confusion; e.g. if you do "read config files" it will look for cc_config.xml in the new directory, not find it, and set default options. Also, log files end up in old directory. Also, gui_rpc_auth.cfg will be in new directory, and the Manager won't look there.
  • web: preliminary support for LDAP authentication.
    • To use, projects must add LDAP server info in project.inc; see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/LdapSupport.
    • Users can use LDAP name/passwd in login form. The handlers creates a BOINC account if needed.
    • In user page, show LDAP UID instead of email address.
    • Also, much-needed code cleanup in login_action.php
  • client/manager/server: finish LDAP support.
    • get_project_config.php: if project supports LDAP, advertise this to the client.
    • Manager: if project supports LDAP, say "Email address or LDAP ID" in Attach Project wizard, and don't do email address validation.
    • lookup_account GUI RPC (client side): if passing an LDAP ID, don't lowercase it, and don't hash passwd.
    • lookup_account GUI RPC (server side): if passing an LDAP ID, pass appropriate URL args to Web RPC.
    • lookup_account Web RPC: in LDAP case, pass "ldap_auth" arg, and pass "ldap_uid" and "passwd". Handle these appropriately.
  • LDAP auth: bug fix.
  • MGR: Remove 1-click attach from advanced menu tree. It isn't ready for prime time yet.
  • client: fix build break

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.24 -> 7.4.25


  • lib: Fix error in merge [c53f66c]. The &lt;is_used&gt; field has not yet been populated when the coproc_info.xml file is written.
  • lib: port changes from master commit 035541f.
  • Mac: Add new source files ProjectWelcomePage.cpp, ProjectWelcomePage.h to Xcode project.
  • Mac installer: warn users not to upgrade to CUDA 6.5 or later if their GPU has Compute Capability 1.3 or less.
  • client: add some comments to clarify that the CUDA warning message and notice will appear only once for each relevant GPU.
  • client: detect Windows 10.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.25 -> 7.4.26


  • client: don't XML-unescape notice bodies when reading from file.
    There's no need for this since the bodies are stored in CDATA. Doing so causes a bug: if a notice body contains an entity (like &amp;) and we get the same notice from an RSS feed,
    the 2 notices are treated as separate since the old copy is unescaped and the new one isn't.
  • client: send LDAP credentials only over HTTPS.
  • Mac installer: add info on how to find and install pre-6.5 CUDA drivers.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.4.26
- boinc_7.4.26_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.26_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.26_i686-apple-darwin.zip


Windows 7.4.26
- boinc_7.4.26_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.26_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.4.25
- boinc_7.4.25_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.4.25_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

6218) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestion for slight change to BOINC (Message 57153)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just use the after boot delay?

No, that one doesn't work on exclusive applications. And when --whatshisname, a German, I forget-- asked about that about a year orso back, that was too complicated to add. Or some such.
6219) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57141)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, good that you owe up to that fact. I'll hold you responsible for the mess they make, mmm okay? ;-)

Hehehe, fine with me Jord, no probs :-)

I'll ask David to get a couple of all of these then:
6220) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 57136)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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Well Jord, it looks like the wolf pack have followed me over to here.

Ah, good that you owe up to that fact. I'll hold you responsible for the mess they make, mmmokay? ;-)
6221) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestion for slight change to BOINC (Message 57133)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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As far as I know, it takes up to 30 seconds before science applications start running again after coming out of exclusive_app modus. If you want more than that, probably best pause BOINC.

There was this request to add a user settable (re)start_delay on exclusive applications, but the developers feel this overcomplicates BOINC and its preferences.
6222) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bad Tasks Corrupting Projects? (Message 57131)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why do you think a hard drive failure and not a GPU failure?
What operating system do you run?
What kind of GPU?
Drivers?
Which BOINC version?
Ever read the revamped when requesting help on these forums thread?
Any error messages of note?
What does it say in stderrdae.txt, stderrout.txt, stderrgui.txt?
If Windows, what does Windows Event Viewer say about the hangups?
If another operating system, does it have error logging?
6223) Message boards : Questions and problems : Display driver failed issue (Message 57079)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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BOINC doesn't use your GPU unless it's running a screen saver. The Seti project has applications that do use it for calculations and these can strain your GPU so much that you get things like you're seeing. However, to get adequate help on that, you better post at the Seti forums, since it's pretty likely that it's their application(s) causing the driver reset.

If you have active RAC more than 1, post a query at the Number Crunching forum. If your RAC is lower than 1, post in the Helpdesk forums.
6224) Message boards : Questions and problems : CUDA GPU not found (Message 57065)
Posted 25 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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One thing the developer pointed out to me: If you updated to CUDA 6.5, then do know that none of the present recommended BOINC versions will recognize your Nvidia GPU because the new drivers are 64bit only. Previous drivers may work on Yosemite, but perhaps also not.

Charlie Fenton, BOINC Developer for the Mac wrote:
Hi Jord,

If he has "upgraded" to CUDA driver 6.5.x, then current versions of BOINC won't recognize it because it is 64-bit only.

We were about to release a new version of BOINC with a 64-bit client which will recognize the new CUDA drivers, but found that it causes kernel panics (crashes the OS!), at least when used with older NVIDIA GPUs with compute capabilities less than 2.0. His GTX 780 should work fine with it, though; at least we hope so. We are working on getting a fix for this major issue before releasing a new BOINC for the Mac.

He can try downgrading to CUDA 6.0.51 or 6.0.54 in the meantime, but i don't know if they will work with Yosemite. I suspect they probably will, but have not tested it.

Cheers,
--Charlie
6225) Message boards : Questions and problems : CUDA GPU not found (Message 57047)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
??? that link I gave points for me to:

Quadro & GeForce Mac OS X Driver Release 343.01.01

Version: 343.01
Release Date: 2014.10.18
Operating System: Mac OS X Yosemite 10.10.0
Language: English (US)
File Size: 50.00 MB


You said in your first post that you upgraded to Yosemite and since that time had that problem, so I don't see where Windows gets into it.
6226) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 57042)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Macintosh specific questions
• Please tell us which BOINC version you are using. You can find this information in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager, or in case you run without the manager, it'll be in the first line in the start-up messages which either save to the command line window, or to stdoutdae.txt, or you can get it via the boinccmd --version command.
• BOINC can't start up and it keeps pestering you about reinstalling. Reinstalling/uninstalling/repair installing does not help. Upgrade to BOINC 7.4; BOINC 6.12 had many problems with the installer, these are all fixed in BOINC 7.4.
• If you have problems with your screen saver or graphics, please state which projects you run, which project(s) you have the problem with, what you see and expected to see. Is X-server running? Did the OpenGL drivers load?
• You updated to the latest newest OS X version and since that time your GPU isn't found anymore? In this case you need new drivers. If Nvidia, AMD or Intel doesn't show them anywhere on their site, I suggest you search in Google if others with the same problem found a solution.
6227) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 57041)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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Linux specific questions
First off, since two years BOINC is packaged and release by the distro's package maintainers. We will assume that you have a problem with the version you downloaded via your package manager, if not, please tell us where you got your version from!
• Please tell us which BOINC version you are using. You can find this information in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager, or in case you run without the manager, it'll be in the first line in the start-up messages which either save to the command line window, or to stdoutdae.txt, or you can get it via the boinccmd --version command.
• When BOINC Manager refuses to make contact with the client, check in top that the BOINC binary is actually running. If that is, and you still have problems, make sure to allow the BOINC binaries (boinc and boincmgr) through your firewall, boinc needs access on TCP 80, 443 and 31416, boincmgr needs access on TCP 31416.
• When you have installation problems in Linux, please state which Linux distro; 32bit or 64bit?
• When you get a library not found error, have you first tried to update your Linux distro to that library version? You can find most libraries through your package manager. And yes, it's your duty to keep your Linux as up-to-date as possible.
• If you have problems with your screen saver or graphics, please state which projects you run, which project(s) you have the problem with, what you see and expected to see. Is X-server running? Did the OpenGL drivers load?
6228) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 57040)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows specific questions
• When BOINC Manager refuses to make contact with the client, make sure that you did allow both Boinc.exe and Boincmgr.exe through your firewall. boinc.exe needs access on TCP 80, 443 and 31416, boincmgr.exe needs access on TCP 31416. Check that your firewall didn't receive an update and reset connections. If it worked before and now it doesn't, it's something on your system that changed. You just have to work back and figure out what. .
• If you think you see a problem with a running task when in Windows Task Manager, do tell us that you're seeing this in Windows Task Manager. Also tell what you expect to see.
• If you have problems with your screen saver or graphics, please state which projects you run, which project(s) you have the problem with, what you see and expected to see. For hardware/software check, please state what your videocard is (brand and model), DirectX version, Operating system and most crucially, drivers version.
• When you have installation problems in Windows, check in the Windows Event Viewer (Start->(Control Panel->)Administrative Tools->Event Viewer) for clues and post those in your post. Or give the error number and/or complete error message that the installer shows. Check for the error before posting, write it down or take a screen shot.
• When you see a Blue Screen of Death (BSOD), make sure you catch what the error is that's displayed on it. Don't tell us you had a BSOD, tell us which one you had! There isn't just one BSOD in Windows, so if you come on the forums and say you caught "the BSOD", you'll always be asked what it said. Be prepared to give that information, either by writing it down, or by checking in your Windows Event Viewer (Start->(Control Panel->)Administrative Tools->Event Viewer). You can also install a program such as Blue Screen View, which will show what the blue screens said.
6229) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 57039)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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BOINC problems and quick checks
• In cases where you don't know how to find any information about your system, exit BOINC completely and restart it. Next copy and post the first 40 lines from the start-up messages. That'll give us enough information about your system, plus it may show some of your running tasks. To get to the (start-up) messages, in BOINC 6.10 and before, click the Messages tab. In BOINC 6.12, 7.0 and after, press CTRL+SHIFT+E.
• If BOINC Manager cannot make contact with the client, tell us that. In this case you cannot use the above method of picking up the lines, but they will always be stored in the stdoutdae.txt file in your BOINC Data directory, whose default paths can be found at this BOINC FAQ.
• When having problems with tasks (not) switching, please make sure to post which projects you're attached to and which are all allowed to fetch work and which have work. Check that you didn't set your preferences on the project web site to omit using your CPU or GPU. Check that you didn't suspend the project, the tasks or the use of the piece of hardware.
• If you have preferences problems, please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and if it exists the contents of the global_prefs.override.xml file. These files can be found in your BOINC Data directory, whose default paths can be found at this BOINC FAQ.
• If you have a problem with something that you see in BOINC Manager, tells us where you see this. A wrong translation, something in the text, a detail about the running of a task in one of the tabs? Is this in Advanced view or Simple view? A full size image is preferable here.
6230) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 57038)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Index:
- BOINC problems and quick checks
- Windows specific questions
- Linux specific questions
- Macintosh specific questions
- Android specific questions
- OpenCL capable CPU and GPU problems
- Reporting possible bugs in the BOINC client and BOINC Manager (Windows only)
- About these forums / lost accounts
- Legalities, profanity, yelling, rants, hostility
- Titles on the forums
6231) Message boards : Questions and problems : Severely limited running task count (Message 57037)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things I see:

In global_prefs_override:
<max_ncpus_pct>0.000000</max_ncpus_pct>

In global_prefs:
<max_cpus>5</max_cpus>

In the event log (which is the startup log):
Fri 24 Oct 2014 08:09:37 AM CDT | | Processor: 6 AuthenticAMD AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor [Family 21 Model 1 Stepping 2]

Fri 24 Oct 2014 08:09:37 AM CDT | | max CPUs used: 5


By setting "On multiprocessors, use at most N processors" to a value lower than the amount of processors you have, you're setting a minimum value that BOINC will use when "On multiprocessors, use at most X% of the processors" is set to 0%.

Your log doesn't go far enough for us to see how many tasks actually run. It would be nice to see that bit of detail.
6232) Message boards : Questions and problems : New client on Windows Server 2011 not getting data (Message 57036)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
A bit more information would be nice. Please see When requesting help on these forums for some pointers.
6233) Message boards : Questions and problems : CUDA GPU not found (Message 57035)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does Yosemite have an (updated) Nvidia GPU driver with CUDA?
If not, see http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/78853/en-us
6234) Message boards : Questions and problems : calculations only in network with specific SSID (Message 57034)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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No, this option is not available in BOINC.
6235) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Notices" tab says I'm running out of space but I'm not (Message 57024)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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BOINC states you've used 63.7GB

That's mighty interesting. Where did you get that number from?

Your own images at https://imgur.com/a/afVJY#1. This is the total disk space used by everything that's on that drive, including the operating system and it is the number that BOINC then follows for the "Use at most N% of total disk space".

In the meantime, I am receiving more of those messages (for more projects), but luckily I still have some tasks running, even though there are only 23 running instead of 32.

I have flagged this questionable behaviour with the developers. We're having a discussion about it on the BOINC Alpha email list. So perhaps that your problems, at least with the "0 means no restriction" gets a little change here in the future. We'll see.
6236) Message boards : Questions and problems : Severely limited running task count (Message 57021)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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Better yet, could you please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml and if it exists global_prefs_override.xml files, along with about the first 40 lines of the start-up messages?
6237) Message boards : Questions and problems : notices (Message 57020)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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You can disable the balloon by going into BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->General->Notice reminder interval: never->OK.

Then the old notices only get revived any next time you exit BOINC and restart it.
6238) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Notices" tab says I'm running out of space but I'm not (Message 57019)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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You're stating that BOINC should use at most 25% of total disk space, which on a 256GB SSD is theoretically 64GB. BOINC states you've used 63.7GB which is dangerously close to the choke off point anyway (and way over if you use the actual GiB numbers).

So why not set a minimum amount with the first Use at most GB disk space value and increase the Use at most percentage of total disk space vale? With the first value set at 15GB, and the last at 50% you should have headroom enough.

Edit: it would seem that setting the first value to zero does not impose a complete 'no restriction' setting as BOINC is still restricted by what's set in the other two values. I've posted to BOINC Alpha about that.
6239) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using Intel GPU on headless Ubuntu Server (Message 57016)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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Two things:

1. To be able to use the GPU, and it being detected as a GPGPU, under most operating systems the VGA outlet or DVI outlet on the videochip or motherboard requires a VGA or DVI plug. This usually comes with a monitor attached, but since you want to use it headless, that won't work.

It is possible to make the system think that there is a monitor attached, by using a VGA dummy plug.

2. However, since you're using a Linux derivate, it's doubtful that you will find any OpenCL drivers that will enable the Intel GPU. Intel has thus far only released OpenCL capable drivers for the CPU, not yet for the GPU.
6240) Message boards : Questions and problems : overheating amd GPU'S (Message 56986)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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60-70 degrees Celsius when they are under load isn't exactly overheating but normal temperature. My one HD7870 does that as well, running Seti@Home, but depending on environment temperature. Now that it's autumn temps are around 60C, but in summer they're easily topping 70C.

You could go for after-market cooling on the GPUs, or water cooling to get temps down. But otherwise, when they're under load they're going to heat up.

As for graphics instability, you'll have to be more eloquent about that. Also tell what OS you run, which drivers. What you use to test with.
6241) Message boards : Questions and problems : notices (Message 56981)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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Yeah, but they'll then be remade when you restart BOINC (Manager), as they'll just be downloaded again.
6242) Message boards : BOINC client : Selecting Disk Drive (Message 56980)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It should still work.

It doesn't. I just tried and am writing about it to the BOINC Alpha list.

While it may show the new data directory, it actually doesn't run from there, and only returns errors.

22-Oct-2014 21:35:10 [---] Data directory: M:\ProgramData\BOINC
22-Oct-2014 21:35:10 [---] Running under account Ageless
22-Oct-2014 21:35:10 [---] [coproc] launching child process at P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC\boinc.exe
22-Oct-2014 21:35:10 [---] [coproc] relative to directory C:\ProgramData\BOINC
22-Oct-2014 21:35:10 [---] [coproc] with data directory "M:\ProgramData\BOINC"

22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 Initialization completed
22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 [---] Can't create HTTP response output file notices/albert.phys.uwm.edu_rss_main.php.xml
22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 [SETI@home] [coproc] Assigning ATI instance 0 to 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 from start
22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Restarting task 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 using setiathome_v7 version 703 (opencl_ati5_cat132) in slot 0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 [Pirates@Home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 [Pirates@Home] [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:03:50
22-Oct-2014 21:35:11 [Pirates@Home] [sched_op] Reason: scheduler request to http://pirates.spy-hill.net/cgi-bin/cgi failed: fopen() failed
22-Oct-2014 21:35:28 [---] Can't create HTTP response output file notices/boinc.berkeley.edu_vbox_notices.php.xml
22-Oct-2014 21:35:28 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:28 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [task] Process for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 exited, exit code 4294967295, task state 1
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=EXITED for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 from handle_exited_app
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:01:17
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Reason: Unrecoverable error for task 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [task] result state=COMPUTE_ERROR for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 from CS::report_result_error
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [task] Process for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 exited
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [task] exit code -1 (0xffffffff): (unknown error)
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [---] Can't create HTTP response output file notices/boinc.thesonntags.com_collatz_notices.php.xml
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] Computation for task 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 finished
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [task] result state=COMPUTE_ERROR for 14au14aa.20039.15200.438086664195.12.48_0 from CS::app_finished
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [coproc] Assigning ATI instance 0 to 11au14aa.4611.294363.438086664197.12.91_0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 11au14aa.4611.294363.438086664197.12.91_0 from start
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] Starting task 11au14aa.4611.294363.438086664197.12.91_0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:42 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Starting task 11au14aa.4611.294363.438086664197.12.91_0 using setiathome_v7 version 703 (opencl_ati5_cat132) in slot 0
22-Oct-2014 21:35:52 [---] Can't create HTTP response output file notices/dnetc.net_notices.php.xml
6243) Message boards : BOINC client : Selecting Disk Drive (Message 56970)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unfortunately not. BOINC would need to know the location of the data directory, in order to read the cc_config.xml file, in order to....

Which is what the &lt;data_dir&gt; container does. With it you tell BOINC where to look for the data directory, without the need to reinstall BOINC. Has been in there since 5.10.20

I wouldn't know why it wouldn't work anymore under BOINC 7, or Windows 8.1 for that matter, not unless the registry entry trumps anything written in cc_config.xml, but I don't think so. I think cc_config.xml is read after the registry, so it trumps anything in the registry. Windows version, or indeed OS version has nothing to do with it.
See http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=292 for how I told people with BOINC 5.10 to move their data to another directory and tell BOINC about it. Now you just move the data directory over.
6244) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks Running High Priority are Disabling GPUs (Message 56954)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before the next person goes and quotes everything Gary here quoted and answered to, can we please make sure to cull the text out that you're not answering to? Makes for easier reading on various screens, including mobile devices. With thanks.
6245) Message boards : Questions and problems : CUDA (Message 56931)
Posted 21 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
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The number behind the applications is the version of CUDA this application is built against/optimized for. Not all GPUs know how to utilize all code of CUDA 6.5, thus not all Nvidia GPUs can run applications built with CUDA 6.5
(There's even a whole range of Nvidia GPUs that really cannot use CUDA 6.5 at all). These cards require the use of earlier CUDA versions.

And while older cards can run lots of these newer CUDA versions, they won't completely utilize the possibilities built into these CUDA versions, because their hardware isn't capable of executing the newer commands. You can compare this to a DirectX 9 videocard, which can run DX 10 and 11, but then just uses the DX 9 parts.

The difference between compliant and compatible.
6246) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56885)
Posted 21 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Gives me time to hack my old phone. Anyone know how to log in on a Samsung Gio GT-S5660 when one's forgotten the pattern, and after having tried multiple times now is asked to log in on their Google account, only for that applet to continuously state that either the account name or the password is wrong?

Apropos, neither the account name nor the password is wrong. I just signed out at Google and back in with the exact same name and password. The Gio is on the LAN, I just appointed it its own IP address, so it should reasonably be able to go out to Google.
6247) Message boards : Questions and problems : Fedora 20 and Virtualbox (Message 56852)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, but we don't know what their server does with that information, how it interprets it. For all we know it has a condition set that says 4.3 is lower than 3.2, therefore anything with "message from server" is a project problem.

You can check in your BOINC event log (or stdoutdae.txt) what version VirtualBox it detects.
6248) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost Boinc info (Message 56847)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you go to a project and try to log in, but lost your login data, you can get a 24 hour temporary log in emailed to you with which you can log in and change your password/other data.

You only need to remember which email address you used for that. Then in the case of Seti go https://setiathome.berkeley.edu//get_passwd.php and Milkyway go http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/get_passwd.php

Docking@Home is no longer in the running, it ceased to exist in May of this year.
6249) Message boards : Questions and problems : oops boinc user ID not found (Message 56846)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So what's all showing on your screen when you see this message? Is BOINC Manager open in full screen? Anything else? A browser perhaps? A credit statistics counter applet?

As far as I know, BOINC itself doesn't keep a BOINC User ID. So this sounds like something a gadget or applet does that you installed to show credits on your desktop. At least not something from BOINC by BOINC.
6250) Message boards : Questions and problems : Fedora 20 and Virtualbox (Message 56845)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since it's a message from the Atlast@Home server, you best ask on their forums. Checking them, I see this thread stating the same as you see. If that isn't your thread already, best add to it.
6251) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56814)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess you are not willing to merge my Seti@home accounts into one

I am not an administrator at Seti, and although I have the administrator title here, that does not mean I have database access. Merging accounts is possible only by doing this manually in the database. As I understand you have several hundreds of accounts at Seti, do you really expect someone to gather them all up and merge them, just so you can go back and make several hundreds more?

I just gather that since you're so forgetful as to which account you used last week, that we can now get rid of sparky, finnenummer, pinkpanther and musicplayer, before you get confused again.
6252) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56795)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I will post a new message when I find the number which became missing.

A new account again for you Knut? If that's the case, you probably don't mind me telling the spammer-delete script about all your previous accounts, so these can be discontinued and deleted?
6253) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56784)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, not gonna do it.
6254) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56782)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, Jord, you aren't like the Seti Mod crew and care how many posts a thread has do you, as I see we are getting close to 1,000.

Since the community preferences allow for the user to set up pages with N amount of messages per page, I don't really see the need to change over to a new thread. I've set it to 200 per page.

And I wonder what poster 1,000 in this thread will win. Or should that be poster 1,001? ;-)
6255) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 56769)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti seems to have exploded and fallen off the face of the earth. No pings, no uploads, no nothing. And weekend.

Budding Setians, gather in Mark's thread. :)
6256) Message boards : GPUs : Our laptops have slowed WAY DOWN while running BOINC (Message 56765)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it just means that your computer will no longer crunch Astropulse when they are in use by you, only when you're leaving it alone for the amount of minutes as stated in the "Only after computer has been idle for N minutes" value. In your case, 1 minute.

Astropulse is a form of searching for SETI. The original Multibeam application searches the narrow band broadcasts, whereas Astropulse searches the broad band broadcasts. If you want to opt out of running AP, you'll need to specify this at the Seti@Home project preferences page, It may be easier to state not to use the GPU your system has, by unchecking Use ATI/Nvidia/Intel GPU.
6257) Message boards : GPUs : Our laptops have slowed WAY DOWN while running BOINC (Message 56757)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's correct.

I see you run Seti@Home, and that you have Astropulse work. This runs on the GPU, as can be seen by the OpenCL part of the name. Work run on the GPU runs much much faster than on a CPU, as any given GPU has many more cores than a CPU has and all those cores work on one task simultaneously, thus speeding up the work.

But because this work is done on the GPU, the graphical processing unit, this can also impact on the draw speed of that same GPU. Which is why the default setting for BOINC is not to use the GPU when the system is active in the first place, only when it's idle. And in the case of notebooks/laptops, this may mean you now have to leave the top open.

Why this changed? Seti has just released a new Astropulse application, version 7. It does a better job of searching for those nifty aliens hiding in the broadband signals. It can look deeper into the data and get more information out of it than its predecessor could. And that may impact negatively on older GPUs.
6258) Message boards : BOINC client : Linux: run BOINC without CPU switching to higher power modes? (Message 56752)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Short answer: No.
And although I can forward it to the developers and request for it to become a feature request, it would then only work that way under Linux, perhaps OS X, so then it's probably better if a third party programmer would offer to add this.

Or you can use one of the add-ons that may be able to do this. Like CPU Limit.
6259) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager Killing Screen Sharing (Message 56732)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What Charlie meant is this: BOINC consists of two parts, a client that does all the scheduling, caching of work, communications and such, and a graphical user interface (GUI) with which you can easily command and control the client.

We call this GUI BOINC Manager, as you use it to manage BOINC.
It isn't necessary to run BOINC Manager, for the client to do its job. The client can run perfectly fine alone.

So if you have a problem with BOINC Manager on the Mini, then don't run BOINC Manager on the Mini. Just run the client, and use BOINC Manager on the MacBookPro to remotely command and control BOINC on the Mini. How to do so, can be seen in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely.
6260) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks Running High Priority are Disabling GPUs (Message 56614)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why do you believe faster GPUs should have priority over slower CPUs? If anything, it should be the other way around as CPUs can take quite a while to do the same task a GPU can in so much a shorter time.

With that said, mind answering some of the basic questions so we have some knowledge of your system?
6261) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC projects coloring theme 100+ projects (Message 56612)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The point being? The colouring scheme in the Statistics tab now follows the colouring scheme in the Disk tab.
6262) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56611)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for tags, you use tags in XML.
I have titles. :P

Joined the aristocracy, eh? Be careful next time you visit France.

I called them tags in the past, until one day David asked what I was on about. Explained and he came back that they aren't called tags, but titles. Okay.
6263) Message boards : Questions and problems : Config question - how to leave 1 gpu always running? (Message 56610)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a way to do this with one boinc manager?
No, at the moment there is no configuration option for this kind of setup yet. Perhaps in the future.

Would I have to install & run two separate boinc managers, each configured for a single gpu and different load/suspend settings?
Two separate clients then, as BOINC Manager is just the graphical user interface, it doesn't run much of anything. People have tried to use the --allow_multiple_clients switch in the past and have shown whole setups for that, but best to ask in a project's forum. I remember there was someone at Seti who ran this setup, but not sure if he's still doing it with the present BOINC 7. Best ask in their Number Crunching forum, if your RAC at Seti is larger than one, that is.
6264) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56597)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The blue/gray can be disabled by going into your forum preferences and unchecking "Highlight special users".

But not what I meant, I meant the black bold outlined box that's now around the outside of the thread/answer window. That wasn't there before.

As for tags, you use tags in XML.
I have titles. :P
6265) Message boards : The Lounge : testing XML code (Message 56592)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
here goes nothing

and it doesn't.

here goes nothing again
but it does.
6266) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56590)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Force reload to see that fixed. Oh my, was this dark striped box always around the answer window? And around the thread? Wonder what's next, a preference setting to colour that box differently? Magenta? :)
6267) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.22 (Message 56587)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for your condescending reply.

You quoted my whole last post but 'forgot' to answer much of anything of the questions. We had to trust you that you knew what you were doing. That's condescending, so I paid you back in kind.

You've been here for some posts already, you ought to know that when you come ask for help --OK, technically you didn't, you just put blame down-- that we have pointers for that.
All I can tell you is that the app_config I posted works in version 7.2.42 and does not work in version 7.4.22. If there is something wrong with it please point it out.

You're the only one? You asked at Einstein@Home first?
Did it start overnight? Has it worked before, but all of a sudden not?
Can it have anything to do with Einstein moving servers?
What are you seeing in BOINC? Is it that there's work available in BOINC, but isn't it being run? OR don't you have any of the work in cache?
What is your hardware? Why can't you post your BOINC start-up messages?
Must I really play 50 questions with you?

I can't just point out why something won't work if you don't give simple answers to start with. Nothing condescending about that, but be my guest and read more of that into this post. Oh and please, could you stop quoting my whole posts? I know what I just wrote.
6268) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.22 (Message 56584)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've been doing this since the first app_config option was added to BOINC so you'll have to trust me that I know exactly what I'm doing.

Yet you ignore how to report a possible bug, giving no details on the app_config.xml, or showing the start-up messages from event log. So no, I don't trust what you're doing.

As such, running 7.4.22 and Seti solely on my AMD GPU, I just made an app_config.xml file.
In it I have:
<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<max_concurrent>2</max_concurrent>
<fraction_done_exact/>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.4</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

Prior to using the app_config.xml file I ran one task per time on my AMD HD7870 GPU:
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.4.22 for windows_x86_64
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, benchmark_debug, checkpoint_debug
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] log flags: coproc_debug, cpu_sched, dcf_debug, file_xfer_debug, sched_op_debug
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] log flags: scrsave_debug, task_debug
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.33.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1h zlib/1.2.8
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Running under account Ageless
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] [coproc] launching child process at P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC\boinc.exe
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] [coproc] relative to directory C:\ProgramData\BOINC
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] [coproc] with data directory "C:\ProgramData\BOINC"
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1268.1 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 63463))
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1268.1 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1))
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] No NVIDIA library found
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [SETI@home] Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [Enigma@Home] Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Host name: i5-2500K
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes syscall lm avx vmx tm2 pbe
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Memory: 15.91 GB physical, 31.83 GB virtual
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Disk: 244.14 GB total, 113.69 GB free
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] Local time is UTC +2 hours
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [---] VirtualBox version: 4.3.6
09-Oct-2014 19:07:07 [Pirates@Home] Found app_config.xml


09-Oct-2014 19:07:15 Initialization completed
09-Oct-2014 19:07:15 [---] Suspending computation - time of day
09-Oct-2014 21:00:00 [SETI@home] [coproc] Assigning ATI instance 0 to 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0
09-Oct-2014 21:00:00 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0 from start
09-Oct-2014 21:00:00 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Restarting task 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0 using setiathome_v7 version 703 (opencl_ati5_cat132) in slot 0
09-Oct-2014 21:01:01 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0
09-Oct-2014 21:01:01 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0
09-Oct-2014 21:01:40 [SETI@home] [checkpoint] result 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0 checkpointed
09-Oct-2014 21:02:01 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0
09-Oct-2014 21:02:01 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0
09-Oct-2014 21:03:02 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0
09-Oct-2014 21:03:02 [SETI@home] [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0
09-Oct-2014 21:03:19 [SETI@home] [checkpoint] result 21mr09ac.17951.19700.438086664206.12.81_0 checkpointed


Now I run two tasks on the GPU:
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.4.22 for windows_x86_64
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, benchmark_debug, checkpoint_debug
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | log flags: coproc_debug, cpu_sched, dcf_debug, file_xfer_debug, sched_op_debug
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | log flags: scrsave_debug, task_debug
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.33.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1h zlib/1.2.8
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Running under account Ageless
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | [coproc] launching child process at P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC\boinc.exe
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | [coproc] relative to directory C:\ProgramData\BOINC
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | [coproc] with data directory "C:\ProgramData\BOINC"
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1268.1 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 63463))
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1268.1 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1))
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | No NVIDIA library found
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | Enigma@Home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Host name: i5-2500K
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes syscall lm avx vmx tm2 pbe
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Memory: 15.91 GB physical, 31.83 GB virtual
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Disk: 244.14 GB total, 114.79 GB free
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | Local time is UTC +2 hours
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | | VirtualBox version: 4.3.6
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | Pirates@Home | Found app_config.xml
09/10/2014 22:58:07 | SETI@home | Found app_config.xml

09/10/2014 22:58:08 | SETI@home | [coproc] Assigning 0.500000 of ATI free instance 0 to 28au08ag.17049.6207.438086664196.12.6_1
09/10/2014 22:58:08 | SETI@home | [coproc] Assigning 0.500000 of ATI instance 0 to 27mr08am.17015.7025.438086664198.12.15_0
09/10/2014 22:58:08 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 28au08ag.17049.6207.438086664196.12.6_1 from start
09/10/2014 22:58:08 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Restarting task 28au08ag.17049.6207.438086664196.12.6_1 using setiathome_v7 version 703 (opencl_ati5_cat132) in slot 0
09/10/2014 22:58:08 | SETI@home | [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 27mr08am.17015.7025.438086664198.12.15_0 from start
09/10/2014 22:58:08 | SETI@home | Starting task 27mr08am.17015.7025.438086664198.12.15_0
09/10/2014 22:58:08 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Starting task 27mr08am.17015.7025.438086664198.12.15_0 using setiathome_v7 version 703 (opencl_ati5_cat132) in slot 1


So as far as I can see, it works as it should.
6269) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56580)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Talking about the moon, have you seen it tonight? Huge. It's no longer cloudy here, so it's very visible. Tried to make a photo of it, but my phone's camera is shite for that. ;-)
6270) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.4.22 (Message 56579)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.4.22 is a test version. It may have bugs or broken things, which it seems is what you're seeing. As far as I know, the app_config.xml works under 7.4.22 as it does under previous versions.

Why do you believe it has been removed from BOINC?
How are you using it?
Edit:
Is the app_config.xml file recognized in your event log?
Did you restart BOINC?

Some decisions, such as those about the use of GPUs, can only be made at a BOINC start. In other cases it happens that settings don't change until the end of a task/start of a new task.
6271) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56559)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm, missing avatars and now crazy text... :)

Dr. A at work on live systems ..... or is it UFO lights over Beserkeley? Film at 11:00

On the plus side it's still early over there :)

Might be, but where he is it's pretty late. Dr. Anderson is still in Hungary, as is Rom.
6272) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56539)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson, head-honcho BOINC and such wrote:
We're fiddling with Apache issues; avatars don't work for the moment.
Well, that explains that. :)
6273) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56535)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can only see Jord's and Zappy's avatars.
It's because we use the external http://Gravatar.com website. The avatars there aren't stored on the BOINC server.
Now, is anyone going through Einstein withdrawal?
Didn't know they were down, but at least they're back up. Checking emergency emails about that, there's only the possibility that the scheduler doesn't work yet.
6274) Message boards : The Lounge : Absentee project admins (Message 56516)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Chris S wrote:
Jord wrote:
No, for the moderating he has a dedicated team.

Partly right Jord. Dr A is the Project Director of Boinc.
We were talking about the BOINC forums.

Knut wrote:
Most likely Dr. David Anderson is not around at BOINC doing the business of moderating user posts as well as dealing with user spam.
So for the BOINC forums, David has a dedicated moderating team: Chris B, Kath and me.
6275) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56501)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok, who broke the avatars? Why mine works? I have a Gravatar...

Yours and Zappy's are showing, mine and Chris' aren't.

Is that a guilty plea?
6276) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56498)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok, who broke the avatars? Why mine works? I have a Gravatar...
6277) Message boards : The Lounge : Absentee project admins (Message 56430)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most likely Dr. David Anderson is not around at BOINC doing the business of moderating user posts as well as dealing with user spam.
No, for the moderating he has a dedicated team. For the dealing with (user) spam he's got a script. For the dealing with you, he has me.

Does anyone know right now what is the main purpose of Seti@home, for example? Is there a set goal for what we really are looking for and want to achieve?
The same what their goal always has been: searching for signals by extraterrestrial intelligence.
6278) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stopped making contact with server (Message 56422)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then you will most probably have two accounts, one with the two computers and one with the one you have the problems with. Best check its ID number in the event log messages: CTRL+SHIFT+E will bring that window up.

Those messages will also tell of other problems you may have.
6279) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56398)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now saying possible snow flurries, high 46F.

Keep 'em. We're still in t-shirts. Was 72.8F this afternoon. Will be around that temp for the coming week as well, with one maybe two days of a little less.
6280) Message boards : The Lounge : Absentee project admins (Message 56376)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, I am one of the moderators at Cosmology@Home, but can you believe me when I say I haven't got a clue who the administrators there are at this moment? ;-)
6281) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 56372)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton, BOINC Developer for Macintosh wrote:
Hello Mac testers,

I have released BOINC 7.4.23 for the Mac. It is essentially the same as 7.4.22, except:
- It fixes a problem with localization of the Mac installer.
- It fixes an issue when the OS X software firewall is enabled, which sometimes caused the Manager to report "Authorization failed connecting to running client."

Note that as of BOINC 7.4.19, BOINC requires OS 10.5 or later and an Intel Mac capable of running 64-bit applications. This includes all Macs made since late 2006.

We need to get this out as a public release as soon as possible, because the latest CUDA driver for the Mac won't work with older versions of BOINC.

Cheers,
--Charlie
6282) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 56370)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.23 available for testing for Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.22 -> 7.4.23

  • boinccmd: accept [IPv6_addr]:port as --hostname arg
  • API: Fix a bug in boinc_get_opencl_ids() which incorrectly returned CL_INVALID_DEVICE on some systems. This would happen on hosts with multiple GPUs if:
    • the host has GPUs from two different vendors with different OpenCL platforms (e.g., NVIDIA and AMD), and
    • the second platform queried has more GPUs than the first one, and
    • the requested GPU is a higher numbed one in the second platform.
  • Mac installer: fix a bug which prevented localizing BOINC installer dialogs.
  • Mac Installer: If we have a valid code signing identity, code sign the BOINC client and Manager as well as the installer and uninstaller. OS X's software firewall can interfere with RPCs between the client and Manager. Signing them may make this less likely to be a problem.
  • client (Unix): when get vbox version, make sure it's not an error msg.
  • MGR: Fix a problem where OS X's software firewall can cause RPC authorization to fail.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.4.23
- boinc_7.4.23_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.23_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.23_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6283) Message boards : Web interfaces : Removal of inactive/spammer accounts. (Message 56368)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you force the use of reCaptcha??

No, as with every other bit of the BOINC back-end and client software, as it's open source users of it can make changes to it and add/retract parts, or just disable non-essential parts as they believe fit.

But when they do, they should try to find some other way to fight the spammers. Or not complain when they're engulfed by them. (Jord's personal belief. ;-))
6284) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56340)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe everyone is out of town again.
6285) Message boards : Questions and problems : Heat... again! (Message 56339)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not the Seti forums, we're the BOINC (development) forums. Seti's Message boards and Help desk forums can be found at https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_community.php. You may want to repost in the Number Crunching forum, if at least you have a recent average credit (RAC) of more than 1 (one).

As for heat, if you truly want to crunch all out, don't go for a newer CPU but for one or more GPUs instead. Even having one Nvidia or AMD GPU in a system will turn out more work done per capita per day than a CPU ever can.
6286) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 56323)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
23.253.170.196 www.primegrid.com

Good warning and all, but as I said I use the Google DNS, and could ping the site at the time of my troubles above. It would return the IP address you state here. But my browsers would refuse to go to the site. That fixed itself by now.
6287) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 56320)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, this is definitely weird. When I just load Primegrid in a tab on its own, it won't load. Even after I flushed the (Google) DNS.
Unable to connect

Pale Moon can't establish a connection to the server at www.primegrid.com
Do I now open a second tab and then reload the tab Primegrid is in, it loads.

I can't connect using Internet Explorer (11) either:
This page can’t be displayed

•Make sure the web address http://www.primegrid.com is correct.
•Look for the page with your search engine.
•Refresh the page in a few minutes.
Here loading a second tab doesn't help.
6288) Message boards : Questions and problems : display problem on 7.2.42 account creation (Message 56310)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project were you trying to add?
What does the communication log (stdoutdae.txt) say?
6289) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-Threaded Apps (Message 56296)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
&lt;ncpus&gt;48&lt;/ncpus&gt; was just an example I use that to limit a 64 core machine to 48 cores when running multil threaded WU's. You can put however many cores you want to use there <ncpus>3</ncpus> when you are running muti threaded work.

You might be using it for that, but it's not what it is there for. Since you just said earlier that you set it like that and that that works for you, without telling anyone at the time that you have the amount of CPUs to work with, I only explained what the option does and why it's then bad advice to tell people to use it like that. Not everyone has 64 CPUs or cores. Someone with only 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 cores will overload his machine with 48 tasks running simultaneously.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
 <ncpus>N</ncpus>

Act as if there were N CPUs; e.g. to simulate 2 CPUs on a machine that has only 1. To use the number of available CPUs, set the value to -1 (was 0 which in newer clients really means zero).
6290) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-Threaded Apps (Message 56293)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
In general on this forum, we refer to OpenCL when we mean OpenCL, and multi-threaded when we mean one of the others - most commonly OpenMP.

I have to give it to SuperSluether that projects can make use of OpenCL to make their multi-threaded applications, and that we can refer to it as that. OpenCL isn't GPU only, it's capable of running on anything that can do calculations and has OpenCL support, so in theory also the processor in a NIC or Soundcard.

Support for OpenCL on CPUs is already in BOINC and I think I saw that support for non-CPUs is about to be introduced in 7.5
6291) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac OS X 10.9.5: BOINC client installer crashes (Message 56291)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which version of the installer do you have the problem with?
6292) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-Threaded Apps (Message 56288)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can limit the number of threads in the cc_config by adding this <ncpus>48</ncpus>

The &lt;ncpus/&gt; configuration option tells BOINC that you want to test use that many CPU cores, even when you don't have them. Doing this on e.g. a quad core CPU will start 48 instances of science applications, massively slowing down everything in the computer. Not really a good idea or advice in this.
6293) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-Threaded Apps (Message 56287)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but hopefully I'm not. Multi-threaded apps (tasks running on more than 1 core) use OpenCL to do so.

Not necessarily. Before the advent of OpenCL (on CPUs), projects could already code multi-threaded applications in C, C++ and other languages.
6294) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac OS X 10.9.5: BOINC client installer crashes (Message 56286)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, try to download the installer again, you may have a corrupt copy.
Second, look up on the search engine of choice what to do about the EXC_BAD_ACCESS error, from just removing some preference files, to changing RAM and hard drives.
6295) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why isn't there a simple option in BOINC manager to change data directory. (Message 56278)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
In Windows Vista/7/8/8.1/all the server versions you can't just move directories around as then you break read/write permissions on the directory. Hence the uninstall/move/reinstall sequence.

In Linux you can move the data directory to wherever you want. Well, as long as you used the Berkeley version. The repository version may be a little more difficult to move around as depending on the Linux distribution, its files are written to multiple directories. For the question of how to move the data directory/directories there, best ask the package maintainer.

The OP may have asked for "Why is there not a simple option to do this?", but at the same time neglected to state what operating system they have (posting it in another thread doesn't count), which is why I posted how to do it for every OS. And those are the simplest ways.

As for the Wiki and it missing things, if you (general you) want to add things like this, ask David Anderson for an account and go write to your heart's content. It's always easy to blame others (or me) that they didn't add it to the Wiki, but then you (general you) didn't either.
6296) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can u use 2 displays ? (Message 56277)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you're talking about screen savers, then that's as far as I know not possible, because multi-monitor support is only available in OpenGL 2.0 and up. The screen savers are made predominantly in OpenGL 1.0
6297) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56257)
Posted 25 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps the good Dr. should do his web code tinkering here before foisting it on actual projects like Seti.

He wouldn't get the feedback nearly so quickly. Nothing like a rampant SETI crowd to give him a brown-trouser day - and at least one of the fixes is working here now, where we needed it.

Added to that, the web- and forum code that we have on here is minute, compared to that of an actual project like Seti.
6298) Message boards : Questions and problems : Corporate security policy prevents BOINC install. Any way around it? (Message 56247)
Posted 25 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Usage_rules writes:
Run BOINC only on authorized computers
Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.

If you want to run BOINC and any project on your work computer, you'll have to ask permission from your boss, and then their ICT administrators may install it for you.
6299) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why isn't there a simple option in BOINC manager to change data directory. (Message 56246)
Posted 25 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows:
Uninstall BOINC.
Move data directory.
Install BOINC.
In the third screen of the installer, click Advanced.
Change path of Data directory to where you moved the data directory.

Continue installation.

Macintosh OSX:
Moving BOINC Manager or BOINC Data Folder to a Different Drive (link)

Linux:
Really depends on if you got Berkeley BOINC, or that you have it from repository.
If Berkeley BOINC, the archive unpacker will move everything to your home directory, but nothing that's in your way to move it to elsewhere after that.

Installing BOINC: Berkeley installer writes:
The BOINC working directory can be moved elsewhere as you like, and can even be renamed. One common choice is ~/.boinc, since files and directories with names that begin with "dot" do not show up by default in Unix directory listings. Whatever the name, everything related to the BOINC client is contained within that directory, and you should always run the client and the manager from that working directory.
6300) Message boards : BOINC client : How to tell BOINC to ignore VirtualBox (Message 56239)
Posted 25 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You got it. :)
 <dont_use_vbox>0|1</dont_use_vbox>
if set, don't run VirtualBox jobs New in 7.5
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Options
6301) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56222)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like the mini-Number Crunching forums at Seti. Just one thread!



:)
6302) Message boards : Web interfaces : Removal of inactive/spammer accounts. (Message 56221)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spam on boinc projects forums is a plague.
Why not introduce, for example, CAPTCHA by default in boinc server code?
Admins install new server (or update it), et voilà, no spam on forum.

reCaptcha code is already used by default on making profiles, while Akismet will check whether or not the contents of the profile are spam.

For creating accounts, one also needs to solve a reCaptcha, meaning that a spammer can't use a script to quickly make multiple accounts. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/create_account_form.php

Using reCaptcha code on the forums is a bit undoable, as that'll mean that for every post someone makes he must solve a reCaptcha. That gets irritating soon, meaning that before long you may not have spammers, but you won't have a community of forum users either.

On most project forums, one needs to have a RAC larger than 1 (one) to be able to post, to show you're an active combatant competitor/computant. But for on the Help Desk forums, where people should always be able to post, in case they can't get things to work (thus no credit, thus no RAC). Not sure if this is a hack projects put in place themselves, or that it can be enabled in the present forum code.

If spammers want to spam, they'll find a way.
6303) Message boards : BOINC client : How to tell BOINC to ignore VirtualBox (Message 56215)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll forward it to the developers, though. Perhaps that they can add it as an option, there's probably others with in the same situation as well.
6304) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 56204)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow, did the BOINC database crash? I get server errors on both the forums and in BOINC. Can upload, not report.

24/09/2014 01:31:57 | SETI@home | Server can't open database

And just moments ago, ALL of the US sites were unreachable for me. Not just Seti and BOINC, but also CNN, Google.com, the USGS, Achievement Hunter.
6305) Message boards : BOINC client : How to tell BOINC to ignore VirtualBox (Message 56203)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will only use VirtualBox when you have added a project that uses it and allowed it to ask for and run work. Else it won't use VBox, only detect its presence.

When you run BOINC in a VM in VBox, it won't even detect VBox, unless the OS you run in the VM has a separate VBox installation. But here again, VBox is only used when you've added a project that uses VMs in VBox and that project is capable of asking for and running work.

As far as I know, all VMs run in VBox by projects run at Below Normal priority.
6306) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager freezes every time that I select the Notices tab (Message 56181)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which version number is this with? If 7.2.42 or before, please test with 7.4.22, the latest RC beta. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8378&postid=56094 for download links.
6307) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-Threaded Apps (Message 56176)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord was wrestling with that a few days ago...

Yeah, but that's because I have the project administrator title. I can do HTML on these forums, if I want to. I cannot use the 'normal' smaller than and greater than signs but instead have to reside to their HTML counterparts if I want to use them around containers.

But I believe that some of that code has now been completely wrecked, so all bets are off. Anyone doing things with [pre/] and [code/] containers is on his own. ;-)
6308) Message boards : Documentation : Update gpu computing page on wiki (Message 56173)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
1) Remove "ATI", now is "AMD".

Project preferences will talk about Use CPU, Use ATI GPU, Use NVIDIA GPU and Use INTEL GPU. A lot of the older ATI/AMD GPUs out there will still be recognized as an ATI GPI. By software, by drivers.

Remove the definition of "Stream", now only OpenCL in AMD's field.

As stated, some of the projects still have the CAL application to allow older, non-OpenCL capable GPUs of doing valuable work. E.g. Seti also has a CAL application.

2) Division between Nvidia/Amd project is not feasable. I think is better a division between CUDA and OpenCL project, cause OpenCL projects can run on Nvidia cards.

But then, Nvidia stopped developing for OpenCL. All of the Nvidia GPUs only support OpenCL 1.0, while OpenCL itself is at this time at 2.0

You can't 'update' OpenCL so an older GPU has newer OCL support, just as you can't do so with DirectX, or with the SIMD extensions on CPUs. While older products can run the newer drivers, they'll only use that what the hardware can do, not what else is supported in the newer drivers.

So at one point in time, a project will release an OpenCL application that can only work on newer hardware, as that newer hardware is capable of using those instructions. At that point all Nvidia support will be lost, as none of the Nvidia cards can do anything with the instructions.

3) Insert Poem@Home project in OpenCL group.

The project list isn't really be kept up-to-date by anyone. No time or not enough people with an account. You can ask for an account, if you want one and want to be able to write for the Wiki. But when you do so, be prepared to find one day that one of the developers has dumped everything you wrote and put in their own version. It is their Wiki, after all.

In any case, the list that's kept reasonably up-to-date is the http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php list. It'll show what hardware is supported.
4) Insert Kaveri in the list of APU

Done.
6309) Message boards : Questions and problems : BIONIC keeps saying I need to reboot (Message 56097)
Posted 18 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Remove the RebootPending.txt file from the Programs directory (default C:\Program Files\BOINC\) and then start BOINC.

The data directory cannot be within the programs directory, as the programs directory is a protected directory structure to which Windows does not allow programs to actively write to. The default data directory path is C:\Programdata\BOINC\ and it will be a hidden directory.
6310) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 56095)
Posted 17 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.22 available for testing for all platforms.

Rom Walton, BOINC Developer Windows and Linux wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have released BOINC 7.4.22 for testing.
This release fixes corrupted OpenCL ids on Mac machines.

This is a release candidate.

Please report your test results as quickly as possible to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6311) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 56094)
Posted 17 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.22 available for testing for all platforms.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.21 -> 7.4.22

  • MGR: On MS Windows, fix Attach Wizard to scale according to users DPI setting. (4x)
  • MGR: tweak to previous commits for better efficiency.
  • MGR: On MS Windows, scale Attach Wizard progress indicators according to user's DPI settings.
  • Mac: In Xcode project, fix encoding of AdvancedFrame.cpp to be interpreted as UTF-8.
  • Mac: In Xcode project, remove erroneous definitions of SANDBOX in debug builds.
  • client: fix incorrect format specifier when writing out OpenCL items which have size cl_uint.
    • This caused garbage to be written by Mac x86_64 clients.
    • It now works correctly for 32-bit and 64-bit Windows clients, but needs to be tested for Linux clients.
  • client: fix minor bug in previous commit - the cast should be to unsigned long, not signed long.
  • Fix line breaks.
  • client: Fix comment.
  • client, GUI RPC: maintain per-project elapsed time and export via GUI RPC.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.4.22
- boinc_7.4.22_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.22_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.22_i686-apple-darwin.zip


Windows 7.4.22
- boinc_7.4.22_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.22_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.4.22
- boinc_7.4.22_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.4.22_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

6312) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request: computing preferences in schedule (Message 56041)
Posted 15 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Some. :)
6313) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request: computing preferences in schedule (Message 56032)
Posted 14 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PrefsRemodel for how the developers think about remodeling the preferences.
6314) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something went wrong on reboot. (Message 56023)
Posted 14 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You posted two logs and nothing else. No introduction, no question, no explanation as to what you thought may or may not have happened, nothing.

For all we knew, you had been tinkering with the insides of the machine, or adding 17 different pieces of malicious software on purpose, or were trying to overload the PSU, or were checking if your monitor can do monochrome, or what happened if you crossed the red and the blue wire, or what happened if you poured a bottle of beer in the DVD player, or what weird errors you would get when you kept on pressing the reboot button just out of boredom, or...
6315) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something went wrong on reboot. (Message 56021)
Posted 13 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And your question is?
Look, we don't know what you did previous to you rebooting, so a little introduction as to what went before this would be nice.
6316) Message boards : Questions and problems : Option to make a project only use 1 cpu core? (Message 56004)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
the Wiki says you need Boinc 7.5.1, althrough the <project_max_concurrent> option has been added to the Boinc 7.4 head, so will actually be in Boinc 7.4.9 and later.

Wiki adjusted.
6317) Message boards : Projects : iGEM@home launched (Message 55999)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like you have locked your forums, so only moderators and administrators can start threads. That is only needed on the News forum, not on the others.

First posts of new threads in the News forum get displayed in the News on the BOINC front page of the project, and if you enabled it, sent out as Notices to clients capable of showing them.

Edit: Ah no, I see that one has to be logged in first before the New Thread button is available.
6318) Message boards : Questions and problems : Eset and other anti-virus products false positive on Windows wrapper exe (Message 55981)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any part of the project science application that gets detected as hostile by antivirus is best reported at the project. So in this case, you'll have to ask theSkyNetPOGS for help.

But here at BOINC we advise people to exclude their BOINC Data directory and all files and subdirectories from being scanned by their antivirus product. In the case of Eset NOD32 Antivirus 6, I have written this FAQ.
Other AV FAQs are here.
6319) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 55938)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.21 available for testing for all platforms.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.19 -> 7.4.20

  • MGR: Fix bug which sometimes made project description text in Simple View too wide to read.
  • MGR: Fix bug in initial layout of Simple View project panel.
  • MGR: Ensure that the advanced computing preferences dialog is wide enough to fit all its tabs.
  • MGR: Set background color according to skin in Simple View dialogs; this is a slight cosmetic tweak for checkboxes on Windows 7, which have a narrow border using the background color at their bottom and right side; also don't use magenta background color for debugging backgrounds unless specifically requested by setting a new define TEST_BACKGROUND_WITH_MAGENTA_FILL to non-zero.
  • MGR: Cosmetic fix: eliminate brief display of all tasks when switching from Simple View to Advanced View when Show only active tasks is selected.
  • client: if a project's app_config.xml has no errors, remove old notices.
  • client: display XML in app_config notices correctly.
  • compile fix for FreeBSD; from Steffen.
  • MGR: Remove non-ASCII Ellipse. I'm not sure the code chunk is even used anymore.
  • LOCALE: Update BOINC Manager template.
  • LOCALE: Line feed fixes?
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.
  • MGR: Fix localization of menu item labels in BOINC Manager menu on Mac for wxWidgets 3.0; restore use of mac-specific UTF-8 ellipsis character so as not to invalidate old localizations of "Preferences..." menu item.
  • Mac Installer & MGR: delete BOINC Manager's wxSingleInstanceChecker lock file in case wxSingleInstanceChecker failed to delete it (such as due to a crash.)

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.20 -> 7.4.21


  • Quick Version Fix
  • Build break fix for Windows.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.4.21
- boinc_7.4.21_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.21_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.21_i686-apple-darwin.zip


Windows 7.4.21
- boinc_7.4.21_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.21_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.4.21
- boinc_7.4.21_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.4.21_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

6320) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 55937)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.21 released for testing for all platforms.

Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have released BOINC 7.4.21 for testing.

This release fixes the excessive reboot warnings when upgrading. Because of the nature of the fix it'll only work on 7.4.17 and up or 7.4.12 and down.

So upgrading a service mode install from 7.4.17 to 7.4.21 should not cause a reboot warning. Upgrading from 7.4.12 to 7.4.21 should also not cause a reboot warning.

We also updated the translations with the latest. However, we have already had a few reports that the translations are still missing strings. We will address that in a future release.

This is a release candidate.

Please report your test results as quickly as possible to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6321) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55932)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's back up.
6322) Message boards : The Lounge : testing XML code (Message 55918)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me testing BBCode instead.

<pre></pre>

[url=https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/]Return[/url]

<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap; "></pre>

[img]http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/resources/bm/advanced/advancedmenu.png[/img]

[url=https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/]Return[/url]

[img]http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/resources/bm/advanced/advancedmenu.png[/img]

<cc_config>

         <cc_config>

&lt;cc_config&gt;

         &lt;cc_config&gt;

&lt;cc_config&gt
<cc_config>
6323) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55916)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
*sigh* now I have a line and gobbledygook...

That's called HTML, which we don't use here on the forums. Well, you don't... I can with that special title of mine. ;-)

So instead, use Bulletin Board Code, or BBCode for short.

Animateit


Edit: LOL, of course, for me [code] and [pre] BBCode doesn't seem to work. It activates all. ;-)
6324) Message boards : BOINC client : Selecting Disk Drive (Message 55880)
Posted 8 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already available.

Windows: In the installer, third screen in, click Advanced, change paths for the Programs- and Data directories.




Mac OSX: moving Boinc Manager or Boinc data folder to a different drive.



For Linux it depends on if you use the Berkeley installer or repositories.
6325) Message boards : GPUs : What i do wrong? (Message 55879)
Posted 8 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fixed, was a 1 too many.
6326) Message boards : GPUs : What i do wrong? (Message 55871)
Posted 8 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Click on image and you will see the full version.

I did click on the picture, but the big image is blurry at best. And that's on a 52 inch HD LED TV.

It's also unnecessary to make an image of the messages, as you can just copy them to clipboard and then paste them into a post. The buttons at the bottom of BOINC Manager's Event Log do that.

As for AMD drivers for XP, you'll have to go back to Catalyst 12.1 at the most, as support is dropped since 12.2

Catalyst 12.1
6327) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55861)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, a word from me then.

It would seem that everyone is a bit blindly touching their keyboards, not sure whether or not you can talk to Mark. Or that you'll get chastised for trying to do so. Mark is welcome here, as welcome as each and every one of you are.

He is also allowed to say or rant his piece, get it out of his system, just as you (general you) would be when you have something to say or rant about. Whether what is said is true or not is not for us (the moderating team) to check into. We're not the truth team. There's no need to continually report posts Mark did, just because you (general you) think/know/feel/guess it happened differently. Not unless every other word in a sentence is those swear words starting with F, will we step in and hide a post/say something sternly to you (general you).

Now, as ever, on any forums, if you find someone said something wrong, point that out to him. You may do so in the forums, or in PM, whichever floats your boat.
Just because Mark got banished from the Seti forums does not mean we are going to give him that same treatment over here.

With that in mind, I sent an email to the developers and other moderators of this board and told them of my intent, as stated above. I got positive answers back.
So just continue as you normally would. You (general you) would want that same treatment if it had happened to you.
6328) Message boards : GPUs : What i do wrong? (Message 55860)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not able to read what it says on that picture. Why not explain what it is you see, or else select and copy that part of the messages? Or why not just copy and post all the messages?
6329) Message boards : BOINC Manager : My BOINC MANAGER VERSION 7.2.42(X86) ISN'T WORKING. (Message 55846)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
My BOINC does not want to connect. The manager has a red circle with a white dot in the center and it says that it can not connect.

Make sure that the BOINC client is running as well.

BOINC consists of two parts, the client (boinc-client) which does all the scheduling and connections with servers, and BOINC Manager, the GUI (boinc-manager). While starting BOINC Manager under Windows and Mac OSX will start the client, it does not work that way under Linux. Here you'll have to start both parts separately.

Is it the version of wxWidgets(which is what I heard was the reason)?

Now, who gave you that idea?
6330) Message boards : Android : BAM not wroking properly (e.g. WCG) (Message 55845)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not affiliated with the BOINC Account Manager (BAM), other than in name and that it can be used through BOINC (Manager). BAM is a third party effort and webpage, with their own forums. Best ask there: http://boincstats.com/en/forum/
6331) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager unable to reconnect once disconnected (Message 55844)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure you restart the BOINC client as well. BOINC consists of two parts, the client (boinc-client) which does all the scheduling and connections with servers, and BOINC Manager, the GUI (boinc-manager). While starting BOINC Manager under Windows and Mac OSX will start the client, it does not work that way under Linux. Here you'll have to start both parts separately.
6332) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55840)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Been there, done that. Although I never got banished for it. But here goes...

8 years ago I was a drunk poster at Seti@Home. One Sunday after a night of rum and coke, I found that someone had posted a funny but hard comment in my direction. What it was I can't remember, but it was this point at which I thought "Enough!".

The other day I stopped with the alcohol and I've been off the juice since that 17th of August 2007. Yep, just had my 7th anniversary. Since that time I drink (ice) tea, Coca Cola Zero and if I drink beer, it's one of the Bavaria 0.0% versions. I cannot trust myself when I do drink an alcoholic beverage, as I will always want to have more and become drunk. So I don't drink it at all.

Yes, I did it without professional help, cold turkey.
Gained 30 kilos (66.6 lbs) in the months after that. Managed to get 20 kilos (44.4 lbs) off of that.
Lost half my teeth in the upper jaw (rotted out), also due to the effect that I quit drinking.
I sleep better.
I can jump in the car at any moment of the day without needing to detoxify for several hours first.
Mind, 3 years after that I quit smoking, which made things even better health wise. Just that I gained those 20 kilos again. ;-)

In any case, I can still be typing out hard answers at Seti or wherever, but where in the past I would hit that Post Reply button, these days I get to thinking half way down the answer and most of the times dumb it down and lessen its hardness. Or don't post it at all, come back several hours or days later and then post something, as then I'm in a different mindset.

I still have the bottles of beer that I had planned to drink on the 17th of August 2007. They're sitting unopened on a shelf in the living room, where I can see them, grab them, turn them over in my hands. They'll probably become a good port one time or another. I don't need them anymore, they're something of a trophy.
6333) Message boards : Web interfaces : Webpage BOINC manager (Message 55833)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, got an answer back already.

There are some options available through http://boinc.berkeley.edu/addons.php:

1. Boinc PHP5-GUI:
A PHP based web application that allows you to monitor and control your boinc installations from a web browser. It has functionality similar to Boinc Mgr. Installation instructions included http://boinc.berkeley.edu/addon_item.php?platform=web&item=boincphpgui-2.3.tar.gz

2. BOINC LCS:
Boinc LCS is a free PHP based script, that allows you to monitor the current state (and other information) from each of your connected BOINC clients. It runs on a simple webserver and is platform independent. Boinc LCS is released under the GNU/GPL license. You can modify and redistribute or just use it!
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/addon_item.php?platform=web&item=http%3A%2F%2Fdl.onext.de%2Fpub%2Fboinc_lcs%2Fboinc_lcs_latest.tar.gz

You can probably find other options in the add-ons.
6334) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55832)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had read Eric's answer before, but never read into it that Mark's ban was complete, Forever. Merely another 7 weeks in Tibet vacation.
6335) Message boards : Web interfaces : Webpage BOINC manager (Message 55829)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Additionally there used to be a program with the original Seti@home that allowed a single computer to cache work units and then farm them out across a network. Anyone know if there is anything similar for Boinc?

Seti Queue that was called and no, there's nothing alike it for BOINC, although it's been proposed: SuperHost.

I forwarded the rest of your post to the developers, not so much for them to make something, but perhaps that one of them can give you a hint on how to build this web page. I would be interested. :)
6336) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55828)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may not post or rate messages until Jan 19, 2038

That's the value under the "Forever" banish option. So yes, looks like they put you out for good. Needs an administrator with database access to recover from that, so time to start groveling to someone (and not to me, it's just a title I have around here so I can actually delete threads and posts, usually of spammers). :-)

I also think you got it from an administrator, or do the moderators there have the Forever option as well?
6337) Message boards : Questions and problems : Display driver amdkmdap stopped responding and has successfully recovered. (Message 55827)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And while the driver may say it recovered successfully, that doesn't mean that all parts of the driver have done so. Always best that I found after getting such a message is to reboot. If you're not a rebooting person, then at least exit & restart BOINC.
6338) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question to BOINC's gurus (Message 55811)
Posted 5 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developers and got as answer in principle, an app could make a GUI RPC to the client to see what other tasks are running.

Hope that helps.
6339) Message boards : Questions and problems : exclusive program no longer suspends CPU (Message 55809)
Posted 5 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure your Activity is set to Run based on preferences, as else it'll ignore exclusive applications.
6340) Message boards : Android : SETI@Home results fail - show 11 (0xb) Unknown error number - Computation error (Message 55803)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not the Seti forums. Any calculations done by a project's science application and the outcome thereof is something best asked at the project.

That said, the actual error on the taskID is:
<core_client_version>7.4.14</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
process got signal 11
</message>
<stderr_txt>
setiathome_v7 7.21 Revision: 2006 arm-linux-androideabi-g++ (GCC) 4.6 20120106 (prerelease)
libboinc: BOINC 7.2.4

Work Unit Info:
...............
WU true angle range is :  0.378721
Optimal function choices:
--------------------------------------------------------
                            name   timing   error
--------------------------------------------------------
                v_BaseLineSmooth (no other)
           neon_GetPowerSpectrum 0.000171 0.00000 
                  neon_ChirpData 0.014007 0.00000 
                    v_Transpose4 0.006511 0.00000 
                opt NEON folding 0.001251 0.00000 
SIGSEGV: segmentation violation

</stderr_txt>
]]>

Signal 11 in Unix terms usually means problems with the memory. If it were on a PC, you could test that with memtest88+.

You may want to look for a memory tester in the Google App store. I see that Stability Test (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.into.stability&hl=en) might be able to help you out here.
6341) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55800)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know. Rom told me he'd contact you.
6342) Message boards : Questions and problems : Jetson TK1 300 Petaflop PC (Message 55798)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may want to read https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75552 on the same subject and with a link to a working version at Seti.
6343) Message boards : Questions and problems : Jetson TK1 300 Petaflop PC (Message 55790)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you have to wonder about is if there is a BOINC for Linux for Tegra, which there may not be. Project science applications may possibly work if the Linux is recognized as a Linux, but there is no guarantee about that either.
6344) Message boards : Questions and problems : 6.2.19 having problems getting work (Message 55789)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
When a server has a minimum version of BOINC setup, it will inform you of which version it requires at minimum to allow you to get work. Since it doesn't do that in this case, it's a thing that happened with the scheduler, probably a bug that crept in. At Seti, there is another person with the same version you have with the same problem.
6345) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 55786)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.19 available for testing for Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.18 -> 7.4.19

  • MGR: Fix bug which sometimes made project description text in Simple View too wide to read.
  • MGR: Fix bug in initial layout of Simple View project panel.
  • MGR: Ensure that the advanced computing preferences dialog is wide enough to fit all its tabs.
  • MGR: Set background color according to skin in Simple View dialogs; this is a slight cosmetic tweak for checkboxes on Windows 7, which have a narrow border using the background color at their bottom and right side; also don't use magenta background color for debugging backgrounds unless specifically requested by setting a new define TEST_BACKGROUND_WITH_MAGENTA_FILL to non-zero.
  • client: Build Mac client as an x86_64 application rather than 32-bit, for compatibility with CUDA version 6.5 drivers. BOINC for the Mac now requires a 64-bit Intel Mac running at least OS 10.5.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.4.19
- boinc_7.4.19_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.19_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.19_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6346) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA 6.5 MAC OSX (Message 55777)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Warning to users of Mac OS X and (older) 32bit BOINC clients.

When you're using your Nvidia GPU on BOINC projects and you have updated to the CUDA 6.5 driver/toolkit, you will have found that BOINC no longer detects your CUDA GPU.

This isn't something BOINC did, but a change in policy by Nvidia. From CUDA 6.5 onwards they dropped CUDA support for 32bit applications.
Berkeley has released BOINC 7.4.19 to fix that, however this is a 64bit application only. It will not work on 32bit Mac OS X, you do require an Intel 64bit CPU and OS X 10.5 now to run BOINC.

If you have any problems with the 7.4.19 BOINC let us know via this thread.
6347) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS Reinstall: What happened to tasks in progress? (Message 55768)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
They will time out and be resent to another computer. Unless it's a project that does resending of lost tasks, and it recognizes your computer as being a previous hostID with lost tasks to send you these, it's highly unlikely that you will get these lost tasks again.
6348) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA 6.5 MAC OSX (Message 55766)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, reading through there, the problems are a little bigger than just broken applications for Mac users. It'll be broken applications for A LOT of GPUs, as Deprecated Features writes:
The following features are deprecated in the current release of the CUDA software. The features still work in the current release, but their documentation may have been removed, and they will become officially unsupported in a future release. We recommend that developers employ alternative solutions to these features in their software.

Tesla and Quadro Products and CUDA Toolkit on 32-bit Windows Platforms
Support for the CUDA Toolkit on 32-bit Windows platforms is deprecated, as is support for Tesla and Quadro products for the CUDA driver on 32-bit Windows platforms. Additionally, on 64-bit Windows platforms, support for the following features for 32-bit CUDA and OpenCL applications is deprecated from the CUDA driver and CUDA toolkit, as appropriate:

Tesla and Quadro products
CUDA Toolkit scientific libraries, including cuBLAS, cuSPARSE, cuFFT, cuRAND, and NPP
Thrust
CUDA samples

This deprecation notice doesn't impact any 64-bit components.

Linux RHEL 5 and CentOS 5 Support
Support for CUDA on the RHEL 5 and CentOS 5 Linux distributions is deprecated in this CUDA release and will be dropped in a future release. We recommend that users and developers migrate to RHEL 6, which is supported in the current and future releases.

Support for sm_10, sm_11, sm_12, and sm_13 Architectures
The sm_10 architecture is deprecated within the CUDA Driver, and the sm_11, sm_12, and sm_13 architectures are deprecated within the CUDA Toolkit and the CUDA Driver. Support for these architectures will be removed in the next major version of the CUDA Toolkit and Driver. Note that support for the sm_10 architecture has already been removed from the CUDA Toolkit.

The latter means that any GPU with compute capability 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 on https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-gpus will get deprecated in the future. This includes the GTX2xx series.
6349) Message boards : Documentation : Links at VBoxApps wiki page outdated (Message 55765)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Done, updated to vboxwrapper 105
6350) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA 6.5 MAC OSX (Message 55762)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Read more at: http://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-too...#ixzz3C48scFfO

This link is broken. Next time that you copy such a link, don't select (hi-light) the link then copy it, but instead copy the actual link or address URL and paste that.

Fixed link: http://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-toolkit-release-notes/index.html#unsupported-features in which the bigger exclamation point is:

Targeting sm_10 (G80) for CUDA Applications
The CUDA Toolkit no longer supports the sm_10 target architecture (the G80 architecture) for CUDA and OpenCL applications.
6351) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Update project list in Boinc Manager (Message 55755)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Finally got around to asking David about these.

Just out of curiosity, how accurate is the BOINC website as far as projects?

About as accurate as it can be on a human scale. The Projects List (which is the same on the BOINC website and in the BOINC Manager Add Project wizard) is kept up-to-date by David, but as long as no-one tells him things have changed, it won't get adjusted. David does not read these forums, not even when I point out things, so when you have information about defunct projects, best email him about it.

Do projects specifically contact the website to get their project on the list, or is it managed by BOINC?

Projects have to request a place on the list. They only get added after David is sure that the project administrators know what they're doing and aren't wasting computing time.

Some of the projects on the list are obsolete, or non-functioning, and look like they have been for a while.

Send defunct project names to David, he'll then remove them.
But watch out, some projects may just have changed their URL, but still be functioning.

There is also a second list of projects in the BOINC User Wiki, but that one isn't kept up-to-date by David. Or anyone, it seems.
6352) Message boards : The Lounge : Word link and other games discussion (plus general miscellany) (Message 55730)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I deleted NATE1's #52636 post "Anime" in the Word Link thread, due to him also posting a link to an image that was no longer available. This caused the thread to stop loading, load extremely slowly, partially time out, etc.

Hiding the post didn't fix that, due to that hidden posts and their contents still load, they're just not visible to users. So I resorted to truly deleting the post (delete in database). That fixed the problem.
6353) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55729)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Never hurts to have someone join in and throw a couple of theories out. For all we know we missed something. I'm sure in the end we have missed something, but I can't put my finger on it for now.

You're still welcome to throw more ideas out. :)

@Raistmer,
You said you removed all registry entries. Which ones were they? Just HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley or also HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley ??

Did you remove the BOINC Manager start entry from HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ?
The boinctray entry from HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ?

Anything else?
6354) Message boards : Android : Cannot add new project (Message 55727)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, as I told Rom, the previous BOINC I had (still don't know which version that was!) had the option in the place where you have it in 7.4.14 AND under the short press menu on the Projects screen. I could short press any white space there and get a menu with among things No New Tasks and the Add URL option.

The short press doesn't work anymore in 7.4.14 and the option is no longer in the menu on my phone.

Of course, it doesn't help much that these things change about every BOINC version. How are we to help people, if it doesn't uniformly work on every phone/tablet/phablet/whatever out there?
6355) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55726)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If client and Manager happened to disagree on the location of the password file that would create a problem like the one Raistmer is having.

That's true, but that's one of the reasons why I asked for him to delete the data directory. That didn't help either.
6356) Message boards : Android : Cannot add new project (Message 55723)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom sent this thread to the Android Development list.
6357) Message boards : Android : Cannot add new project (Message 55721)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Hamburger for me, On Android 4.1.1 (It's the same on my 2012 Nexus 7 running Android 4.4.4)

Can't help what I see on Android 4.2.1 on my Huawei Ascend G700.
But having no hamburger button on the phone is probably what kicks it in. You'd have to ask that on the developers list.
6358) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55720)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
How Manager knows where gui_rpc_auth.cfg file or the data directory for that matter is?

The manager knows where the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file is through code in its program.
It knows where the data directory is by reading the DATADIR variable in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup in the registry.

And of course, are client and Manager using the same directory?

They aren't in the data directory, if that's your question. By default they'll be in the C:\Program Files\BOINC\ or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ directories, depending on 64bit or 32bit program and operating system. Else in whatever directory the user detailed the programs should be installed in.

But yes, both boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are in that same directory.
6359) Message boards : Android : Cannot add new project (Message 55717)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not for me, I only have the pause sign and the plus sign on the top right.

The hamburger on the left is only used from the initial Tasks screen, to get to the menu, there select Projects, don't select a project, but just press the hamburger key on the phone. That opens, for me at least, the Add URL menu.

I am using 7.4.14.

Although using is a big word. I have it installed, let's keep it at that.
6360) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55716)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
On Windows, how Manager knows where to look for the password file?

It'll be a file called gui_rpc_auth.cfg available in the data directory. It's hardcoded in the client and Manager to look for that file and its contents. It'll be populated with a random 32 character hexadecimal password if it doesn't exist on start-up.
6361) Message boards : Android : Cannot add new project (Message 55713)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
In Boinc 7.4.14, I go to the Projects Tab, then in the right corner, I have three selections, a pause selection (suspends computation), a + selection (adds projects), and : selection (actually 3 vertical dots, this is add a project by URL)

I must stress, I do have the Plus sign and the Pause sign, but to get to the Add URL option I have to short press the three horizontal stripes sign (hamburger) on my phone. It isn't in the graphics, but on the phone:
6362) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 55712)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.18 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.16 -> 7.4.17

  • BUILD: Remove static references to GTK 2.x components, use package config properly. (From Steffen Moeller)
  • WINBUILD: Suppress a reboot warning dialog displayed by Windows while uninstalling old builds.
  • WINBUILD: We must set wxDEBUG_LEVEL=0 in Manager preprocessor definitions for release builds, otherwise __WXDEBUG__ is defined because the Manager includes wxwidgets\include\wx\debug.h. This caused the magenta artifact around the checkbox in the Simple View preferences dialog, and possibly other issues.
  • Manager: brighten colors in disk/stats tabs.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.17 -> 7.4.18


  • Really suppress the reboot warning on Windows.



Available installers:

Windows 7.4.18
- boinc_7.4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.18_windows_x86_64.exe

6363) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55706)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
IMHO worth to report to BOINC devs...

I was keeping Rom in a loop already.

Edit: What kind of security package do you have on there?
Any third party anti-virus and/or firewall?
6364) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55703)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Last bit of (optional) testing:
What happens when you remove the data directory?
Either point the installer to a new place for the data directory, or backup the present one, delete all contents, then install or start BOINC.

I ask that one as there have been reports in the past that this fixed that same problem for people. Uh yes, you will want to run the work in cache to end before doing this.

You can set no new tasks through boinccmd.exe or by editing the client_state.xml file and adding
<dont_request_more_work/>
to each project's section.
6365) Message boards : Android : Cannot add new project (Message 55695)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It may be difficult to see, it's at the bottom of the screen and black text on a dark blue background.
6366) Message boards : Questions and problems : 32/64 bit question (Message 55694)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it's just that the 64bit version won't install or run on a 32bit computer.

Edit: the 32bit version of Boinc can also run 64bit science applications.
6367) Message boards : Android : Cannot add new project (Message 55686)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Very unintuitive...
Boinc, hamburger next to Tasks, Projects, hamburger on your phone, add project by url.

The hamburger are the three horizontal stripes.
6368) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 55680)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.16 may require a reboot on Windows due to updating of system files.



(It seems to run fine without the reboot.)
6369) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 55679)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.16 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.12 -> 7.4.15 (7.4.13, 7.4.14 are Android releases.)

  • client: balance Windows/*nix use of coproc command line stuff.
  • client: fix bugs in task cleanup.
    There was at least one case where we weren't cleaning up subsidiary processes (e.g. VMs) when a task's main process exited.
    • Fix this by consolidating task cleanup (shared mem and subsidiary processes) in ACTIVE_TASK::cleanup_task(). This gets called when a tasks' main process exits.
  • client: Remove the strerror() call from switcher_exec with regards to the task_debug output. For the things switcher does the exit code is not an errno value.
  • MGR: On MS Windows, adjust width of Advanced Preferences dialog to fit all tabs without scrolling.
  • scheduler and client: fix mechanism for exposing user CPID to GUI.
    A month or two ago I added code to put user CPID in the project info exported via GUI RPC, so that GUIs (like BoincTasks) could link to user pages on stats sites.
    However, I completely forgot that the CPID known to the client (PROJECT::cross_project_id) is the "internal CPID", while what gets exported to stats is the "external CPID", which is MD5(internal CPID, email addr).

    Solution: include the external CPID in scheduler replies, store it in the client state file, and export it in GUI RPCs as PROJECT::external_cpid. This will eventually work for BoincTasks, but only after projects update their server software, and volunteers update their client software.

  • client: set work requests for coprocs specified in cc_config.xml

    We weren't copying the request fields from RSC_WORK_FETCH to COPROC. Do this, and clean up the code a bit.

    Note: the arrays that parallel the COPROCS::coprocs array are a bit of a kludge; that stuff logically belongs in COPROC. But it's specific to the client, so I can't put it there. Maybe I could do something fancy with derived classes, not sure.
  • MGR: use same color scheme for statistics as for disk usage.
  • MGR: color tweak.
  • Mac: update for compatibility (fix compile breaks) with Apple LLVM 5.0 compiler under Xcode 5.
  • MGR: On MS Windows, adjust width of Task Control buttons, Event Log and Log Flags dialog for users DPI setting.
  • MGR: On MS Windows, make DPI setting detection more efficient and DPI adjustments more general.
  • Mac installer: don't require restart after a clean install on OS 10.9 Mavericks or later.
  • MGR: On Windows Vista and newer, let the service control manager shutdown the core client to prevent crash dialogs from appearing on some peoples systems when Windows is shutting down.
  • client: try to report an IP address other than loopback.
  • client: fix Unix part of last checkin.
  • MGR: Remove references to target="_blank" from notices, it causes a failure to fire our own event handler when the link is clicked.
  • MGR: On MS Windows, adjust Simple View metrics and images for users DPI setting.
  • MGR: Fix compiler warning.
  • MGR: Allow for floating point rounding errors when determining DPI settings.
  • client: Use /dev/input/* to determine idle input detection on Linux. This would also cover digitizers and bluetooth devices.
  • client: Remove references to unneeded XSS header files.
  • BUILD: Remove references to the XSS libraries. The X11 screensaver in clientscr depends on the XCB and XCB-ATOM dev packages. BOINC API just depends on glut and glu.
  • MGR: Center the adv preferences dialog after opening it up.
  • MGR: Make sure the various item property dialogs open up in the designated client area on Windows and Mac.
  • client: fix build break.
  • MGR: On MS Windows, adjust Simple View images from skin file for users DPI setting.
  • MGR: On MS Windows, adjust sizes of images in Advanced Frame tabs and Computing Preferences tabs for users DPI setting.
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.
  • lib: Fixes for newer GCC versions when compiling md5.c.
  • WINBUILD: Update for renaming md5.c to md5.cpp
  • Mac: Update Xcode project for renaming md5.c to md5.cpp
  • WINBUILD: Prevent the deletion of service accounts and groups on upgrade. This was causing unneeded reboots on upgrades of service mode installs.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.15 -> 7.4.16


  • BUILD: Remove unneeded reference to XSS.



Available installers:

Windows 7.4.16
- boinc_7.4.16_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.16_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.16
- boinc_7.4.16_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.16_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.16_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6370) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 55677)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And it's fixed. Do tell when you find something else. :)
6371) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55674)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:

- Do you get any messages about boincsvcctrl.exe wanting to be allowed to make changes to the computer?

No displayable messages from anything. What logs worth to check?

Oh good question. I wouldn't know so offhand. Probably in the Windows Event Viewer, if that's available in XP. It's been so long since I used it that I don't remember. :)

EDIT: just side note. I subscribed on this thread but did not get notification about your answer.

I'll let the establishment above know.

That you won't be able to start BOINC Manager is as far as I know purely a problem with permissions, so do check that the C:\Program Files\BOINC\ folder and the Data directory (default on XP at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ and a hidden directory) have all the correct permissions.

Superfluous questions/remarks:
1. If using a different account than the one you installed BOINC with, did you check "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC" during the installation?
2. You could also test with 7.4.12, as that BOINC's installer has the whole BOINC limited user account & group setting revised.
6372) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 55673)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not that we're a project. :P
But there were some problems last night with me being unable to post XML/HTML codes in [pre/] containers. Those problems were eventually solved, but some others sprung up here and there. I'll notify David.
6373) Message boards : Questions and problems : Calculating the number of cores provided by a project (Message 55672)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
As minimum for <expavg_credit> I used 1, is that as well the number that Boinc uses to produce it's statistics?

All the values in the statistics file exported by Seti are used by statistic sites, not by BOINC (Manager). BOINC itself uses &lt;user_expavg_credit&gt; and &lt;host_expavg_credit&gt; read from client_state.xml for the User and Host average statistics.

I used the value of 1 on Seti as that's what they use to allow you to post on their main forums. A value of at least 1 average credit means you're somewhat active. A value of 10 would probably be more realistic, I am not sure what minimum RAC someone has when he crunches Seti in a minimalistic way on his CPUs only.

But I just remember that even this setup is diluted, as this counts also those computers that do not actively use their CPU for calculations at Seti, but instead use one or more GPUs. For instance, my 4 core CPU will be counted in your values, but the RAC I have at Seti comes purely from running work one half day a weekend on my GPU. I don't crunch on any of the 4 CPU cores.

There are no distinctions between (average) credit gotten from CPUs or GPUs (yet) at Seti, or any other project. That's in the works, but I must say that that is in the works to differentiate between ASICs and CPU/GPUs only. Or that is as far as I read the proposal for that.

But still, congratulations. You now know how many computers are active at Seti, just not directly how many CPUs are active. Perhaps that you should try this on a CPU only project, instead of CPU+GPU projects? :-)
6374) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55657)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Prove it...

Here's my unsmiling one:
6375) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving data folder (Message 55653)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So you aren't trying to move the data directory and aren't trying to move BOINC Manager? If you aren't trying to move anything, your query has not much to do with the thread you posted in, and would best be handled separately in a thread of its own. In that case, please go to the forum index https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_forum.php?id=10 and click on New Thread.

In that thread post information on what your problem is, be as elaborate as possible, tell about any or all errors you see. Tell of the OS X version you run and the BOINC version.

Why do so in a separate thread? Because any next person searching for a similar problem may find his answer easier when he doesn't have to trawl to a totally unrelated thread first to get to his answer(s).
6376) Message boards : The Lounge : testing XML code (Message 55652)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seems the container is broken now.

<ncpus>

<pre><ncpus></pre>
6377) Message boards : Questions and problems : Calculating the number of cores provided by a project (Message 55650)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The number in the Host statistics site may be a bit diluted, as it shows all CPU cores that ever reported any work and got credit.

In the case of Seti, you can go to http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/, download the hosts.gz file, unpack that, open it (in e.g. Notepad++) and then filter on &lt;ncpus&gt; for computers whose &lt;expavg_credit&gt; is larger than 1.
6378) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 win-x86: manager can't connect to client in service install on Windows XP (Message 55649)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
But manager can't connect to it w/o any error massages showed.

Just the error in BOINC Manager that it cannot connect to the client, or also other errors (in Windows), and if so, which ones?

- This XP, is that a 32bit or 64bit version?
- In the case of 64bit version, is the BOINC version you installed 32bit or 64bit?
- Did you allow the computer to reboot after installing as a service?
- Do you get any messages about boincsvcctrl.exe wanting to be allowed to make changes to the computer?
- What if you uninstall BOINC, reinstall it as a user install first, then uninstall it, then install it as a service?
- Do you have more than one boincmgr.exe on your computer in a Windows path?
6379) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving data folder (Message 55648)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You were answering yourself. I take it you have some problem? If so, can you please elaborate, instead of just posting "I have the same problem"? The problem in this thread was that the user who did the install used the move directory command wrong. Are you saying you did that wrong as well?

Taking http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive alongside, did you follow these steps? If not, try to do these first.

If you did, where does it go wrong for you?
On what kind of Mac, what OS X version?
With which version of BOINC?
6380) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Points / Credit AMD vs Intel (Message 55647)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wait, so a faster processor would get more credit for a task than a slower processor doing the same task?

No, since the calculation of credits is done based on the amount of floating point operations (flops) that a task takes. Speed doesn't matter in this.

For instance, a Seti Astropulse task that gets sent out by the project to take 42,293,901,863.366425 flops, will do so equally on a 3.5GHz and 1.0GHz computer. The 1.0GHz CPU may take longer than the 3.5GHz CPU on doing the calculations, but in the end it doesn't matter, as both the computers will run the task for 42,293,901,863.366425 flops and then finish the task. The credits are based on the flops value, not on the time it took both CPUs to finish the task.

Note: we're talking FLOPS, not FLOPs. The latter abbreviation is a measure for floating point operations per second.
6381) Message boards : Questions and problems : Admin problems a plenty (Message 55608)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
An Administrator account is still required to install BOINC.
6382) Message boards : Questions and problems : Calculating the number of cores provided by a project (Message 55607)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you mean to calculate your own cores per project, or total cores of all computers active at projects? If the latter, that information should be available through the Host statistics files that the projects dump out every day, and is therefore possibly available through the statistics websites.
6383) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks staying suspended despite PC being idle (Message 55604)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers are testing (internally) whether or not a new method of not depending on the XScreensaver libraries helps out.
6384) Message boards : BOINC client : Client does not run on 100% (Message 55583)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post a little bit more information? See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600#50407 for hints on what we want.

In this case, preference settings and which project(s) you run.
6385) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks staying suspended despite PC being idle (Message 55569)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Quick question, are you using Berkeley versions of Boinc (recommended), or from repositories?
6386) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC saving project files to every HD connected to PC (Message 55562)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great, so it only affects things in the C:\Programdata\ directory, meaning that if the original user moves his BOINC data directory to some place else, it no longer happens.
6387) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC saving project files to every HD connected to PC (Message 55559)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would appear that for some reason or the other, a directory full of symbolic links is made in \All Users\, I'm waiting for an answer as to why that's done.

Quick question, do you have Virtual Box installed?
6388) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC saving project files to every HD connected to PC (Message 55558)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development, as I find it strange as well. Never noticed I have a full copy of my data directory in that users directory.
6389) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Points / Credit AMD vs Intel (Message 55557)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Credits aren't calculated based on benchmarks times unit of time anymore, but are based on how many floating point operations tasks take. What I understand is that AMD CPUs are not as good at doing FLOPs as Intel CPUs are, which counts for a lot of the discrepancies.
6390) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU utilization oscillates between 100 and 10% (Message 55556)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not just been like that for a long time, it's been like that since its inception. It is done this way because BOINC needs to be able to do this on all platforms it is used on, without it then requiring interaction with some API.
If you want a sustained certain percentage throttling, use third party applications. Threadmaster, TThrottle.
6391) Message boards : Questions and problems : Admin problems a plenty (Message 55555)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like you installed BOINC as a service, which you indeed cannot quit when you do not have the administrative privileges. That's a Windows thing, not a BOINC thing.

So the only option would be to install as the user install. Third screen into the installer click Advanced, uncheck Service Install, continue installation.

And at best try to do so with the latest BOINC development version as that one doesn't use the BOINC limited user accounts, unless you specifically installed BOINC as a service.

- BOINC 7.4.12 for Windows, 32bit version
- BOINC 7.4.12 for Windows, 64bit version
6392) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen saver flickers (Message 55554)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is a known problem in the 7.2.42 screen saver. It crept in somewhere between 7.2.34 and 7.2.42, and has been fixed in the present development versions.

Until that time, your options are:
1. To return to the previous BOINC version, 7.2.33
2. Go forward to the latest development version, 7.4.12 (at the time of writing this)
3. Not use the screen saver.

- BOINC 7.2.33 for Windows, 32bit version
- BOINC 7.2.33for Windows, 64 bit version

- BOINC 7.4.12 for Windows, 32bit version
- BOINC 7.4.12 for Windows, 64bit version
6393) Message boards : Questions and problems : Custom silent installer 7.2.42 (Message 55553)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best ask this at the BOINC Development email list. This list does require registration with a viable email address.
6394) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 55529)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.14 released for testing

Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
For anybody that has an Android phone but is not already on the boinc-android-testing list.

----- Rom

Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
Howdy Folks,

A few days ago we pushed out a new build of the Android software that contains a revamped attach process and social media sharing features.

Please review the test matrix for the Android GUI here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

Specifically we need to test attaching to each project in the project list and attaching to Ralph@home (Rosetta@home's test project). You can manually attach to the test project using http://ralph.bakerlab.org/ for the project URL.

We would also like to cover the cases where people use two or more email addresses with valid and invalid passwords across multiple projects and properly handling attaching to World Community Grid in combination with other BOINC projects.

Be the first to brag to your friends about using your device for science by using our new social media features. After attaching to a project or account manager you can share with your favorite social media network.

Please report your test results to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php?version=7.4.14

Please include which projects you tested against.

If you have not already created an account to report test results, please follow this link to create a new account: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/create_account_form.php

Thanks for all your help.

----- Rom
BOINC Development Team
6395) Message boards : Android : "No new tasks" and will updating reset projects? (Message 55525)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC -> Hamburger next to Tasks (those three stripes) in the top left corner -> Projects -> select the project of choice -> press the hamburger in the lower right corner (on the phone) -> no new tasks.

Or BOINC -> Hamburger next to Tasks (those three stripes) in the top left corner -> Projects -> select the project of choice (short press on the project name) -> no new tasks.

But as far as I know, updating BOINC here works the same as on the PC/Mac, with no loss of tasks or progress (as long as the science application checkpoints, that is).
6396) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with account. (Message 55426)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please don't spread wild and inaccurate accusations. Seti does not delete accounts ever, not even when you ask them to do so. None of the Boinc projects deletes inactive accounts, not even we do.

It's even better for the Boinc database to have continuous data in it, than to have gaps in it where accounts used to be, as that will increase load.
6397) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with account. (Message 55423)
Posted 15 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any account you have at any project, or at the BOINC forums are independent of each other. If when you try to use the email/password reminder it says your email isn't recognized, you may have used a different email address in the past to set it up. Or, before you left last time, you changed your email and password to garbage. Then your only option is to log in using the authenticator key.

Having neither, the possibilities are slim.
6398) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55372)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Geeze, he's a mod, and he said "laid for free."

I thought this board was at least PG-13 rated.

Only true Setians can find lewd messages in normal sentences. Wonder why....
6399) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55366)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shame you still have work to do on the computer room though :/

well, at least that gives me more time to think of what I want on the floor there, and if I go a little more expensive I can have it laid for free. :)
6400) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55356)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Computer room is still in limbo. The other room is done, it's got a nice wood floor now. But sawing some of that wood, I managed to sprain my wrist, have been having hellish pains for the past week. Had a photo made this afternoon, got thumbs down on it.

So, for the moment no further room clearing, cleaning and recarpeting.
6401) Message boards : Questions and problems : "C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincsvcctrl.exe'" - File system error (-1073741502) (Message 55299)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I chatted with the developer last night. He has promised me to look into your problem, and he was already looking into another BOINC setup/permissions problem, so this one may be of the same sort.
6402) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 55297)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like CPDN's main server took a nosedive. No site, no forums, no trickles, no uploads.
6403) Message boards : GPUs : Run only GPU tasks (Message 55296)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wan the other computers on that project to use the cpu, only one computer should only use gpu
Additionally there is no such option in for example milkyway at home.

There are two different places for preferences on project websites.

One is the Computing preferences page, which is global, which means that when you change something here, it will propagate to all the projects you've got added, available at the website's computing preferences on the same venue.

The second is the Project preferences page, where you set specific preferences for that project. Things like if you want to use the CPU, or the Nvidia, ATI or Intel GPU, the default computer location (venue) etc. etc.

In the case of Milkyway, that is at http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/prefs.php?subset=project, where if you read along, you will find Use CPU. These preferences are for Milkyway only, they do not propagate to any other project.
6404) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPU (Message 55279)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nope, then my knowledge is spent. I hope a Linux guru trawls through in a bit to help you along further.
6405) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPU (Message 55277)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you wait for a couple more minutes after a reboot and then manually start the client? At times the x-server doesn't start until late and it is needed for the detection of the GPU.
6406) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPU (Message 55274)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check through Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/Derivatives - GPU recognition fixes first.
6407) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving data folder (Message 55271)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
One should be able to move the data directory with everything in it without problems, so it's still a thing the developers need to look at.
6408) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving data folder (Message 55269)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded this to the developer for the Mac.
6409) Message boards : Questions and problems : "C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincsvcctrl.exe'" - File system error (-1073741502) (Message 55266)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll ask the developer to come take a look.
6410) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving data folder (Message 55265)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you test with 7.4.12 if this is repeatable? That version has changes to the switcher app, and to the use of the limited user accounts.

Macintosh 7.4.12
- boinc_7.4.12_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.12_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.12_i686-apple-darwin.zip
6411) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving data folder (Message 55262)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which Boinc version is this with?
6412) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 55258)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.12 also available for testing for Linux

Linux 7.4.12
- boinc_7.4.12_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.4.12_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
6413) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 55245)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Service installation warning

When installing the latest BOINC development versions as a service on top of an older BOINC service installation, it is quite possible that your system needs a reboot. This due to changes happening in the BOINC limited user accounts and -groups. This is in effect from 7.3.8 till 7.4.12 at the time of posting.

Not rebooting means you do not have permission to run BOINC.
6414) Message boards : Projects : Albert@Home (Message 55243)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's back. http://albertathome.org/

I still do not like their forums, though. No indication on who started which thread, or who posted (last) in it. Something fundamental that is available on all other forums, but when I asked about it in early testing at Albert, I got the reply that Oliver didn't think it was necessary, and as such it isn't included. Oh, OK, good reason then for me to never visit those forums again. Guess what happens when they put it like this on the Einstein project?

Edit: The admins have taken the site off line to check up on the report I made that email addresses of everyone were visible to all. I have edited my text here to take out what I wrote first.

Site off-line
Albert@Home is currently under maintenance. We should be back shortly. Thank you for your patience.
6415) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 55241)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And it is back.
Hi All,

The project is back online now. The scheduler messages should no longer be appearing.

Andy
6416) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 55239)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton, BOINC developer, avid STO gamer and all-round devil, really wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have released BOINC 7.4.12 for testing.

Changes since 7.4.8 are:

- Warn volunteers when running a 32-bit version of BOINC on a 64-bit machine that VirtualBox cannot be detected. It should display an event log entry suggesting that you install the 64-bit version of BOINC.

- Reschedule jobs for later execution if they fail to start because the system is out of memory (there's no easy way to test this, but if you saw this problem
before, keep your eyes open for it).

- Remove virtual machine (VM) processes in several failure scenarios.
VM tasks consist of two processes; a wrapper (vboxwrapper) and the VM itself (vboxheadless). There were bugs where the VM continued to run after the wrapper had exited or crashed.
To test: run a VM task (RNA World, ATLAS@home, vLHC@home, etc.).
Kill the wrapper (e.g. using the Windows task manager).
Verify that the corresponding VM process exits.

- Generic detection of OpenCL devices.
BOINC should now detect all OpenCL devices and report them to the server. You can test this if you have a Parallela board. There should be a line in the event log saying the device was detected, and a <coproc> entry in scheduler_request_*.xml files.

Changes since 7.2 are:

- Notices can now contain images and video. (To test this you'll need to attach to the BOINC Alpha project; see the testing instructions).
- The advanced preferences dialog validates its inputs; e.g. it won't let you enter -1 or 110 for a percentage.
- We switched to a new major version of the GUI toolkit (wxWidgets). This caused many small changes in layout and appearance.

We updated the test instructions, especially the "BOINC Manager Notices" and "Preferences tests" sections. Please review the test instructions carefully: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

Please report your test results to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6417) Message boards : GPUs : Linux server with amd gpu and no X (Message 55238)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, you require X-server to be able to detect a GPGPU under Linux.
6418) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager slows down i5-3570K PC (Message 55237)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've always been under the impression that the Boinc client (and the processes springing from it) run as "low priority" under Windows.

BOINC its own processes (boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe, boinctray.exe, (and if applicable boincsrvctrl.exe)) run at Normal priority.
Project's science applications run at low priority when they are CPU intensive applications, and Below Normal when they are GPU applications and NCI (Non-Computing Intensive) applications.

I've been running Boinc/Setiathome on my I5-3570K. Streaming a radiostation from the internet becomes slow, and even the redrawing of the desktop slows down.

Sounds to me like you're running work on a graphics processing unit, or GPU. In other words, on the graphical processor of your videocard. This can result in slow downs of the computer and more specifically, in slow redraws. Especially when the GPU isn't that high spec'd.
Another possibility is that your system slows down due to (extreme) heat. Have you checked that the fan is spinning? Have you checked that the heat sink isn't clogged up with dust?

My i5-2500K can run work on all 4 cores plus on the AMD HD 7870 without problems, I can even play games on that system at the same time that BOINC runs work (Seti and Einstein). CPU cores run at ~55-60C, GPU runs at 60-65C. Radio Caroline sure doesn't slow down, not on the 64bit nor on the 128bit mp3 lines.

I'd say, check temps first. Install:
- Core Temp to check CPU core temperatures.
- GPU-Z to check GPU temperatures. If applicable, only when you have a GPU and you use it to crunch Seti.
6419) Message boards : Projects : Albert@Home (Message 55228)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oliver Bock wrote:
Hi guys,

In short: we're very close!

Sorry, for the longer downtime of Albert. Despite careful upfront testing and planning we ran into a few issues during the migration. Would it have been Einstein, we'd have scrapped the migration attempt after two days already. Given that this is Albert though we took the freedom to ride out the storm and fix the issues right away. The biggest challenge are the different time zones (CEST and EST) which cause extra delays in communication.

Anyhow, we're currently running another, hopefully final data import after we fixed the last known show-stoppers. So, fingers crossed, we might in fact be able to bring the site back up online today or tomorrow morning at the latest.

Again, sorry for the long downtime - we think it was worth it.

Cheers,
Oliver

Source.
6420) Message boards : Questions and problems : Internet Access & Proxy Script (Message 55221)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It worked fine until a point where this message appeared.

If it worked fine until it didn't, then something in your internet access has changed and you'll have to ask the ICT techs at your work for help. Perhaps that they changed some protocol.

At any time, when things work one day and they do not the next, it's normally not anything to do with BOINC but instead with updates to the operating system or the (method of) internet connection.
6421) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 55192)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.12 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.8 -> 7.4.9

  • MGR: fix alignment of items in Computing Preferences Network Tab.
  • client: add <dont_send_work> element to scheduler request; set if dont_request_more_work is set. Prevents projects w/ NCI apps from sending jobs
  • LIB: Get rid of the spurious 'dyld: DYLD_ environment variables being ignored' stderr messages on Mac OS X 10.8 machines across all of our apps.
  • LIB: A more efficient fix than the previous commit to eliminate the spurious 'dyld: DYLD_ environment variables being ignored' stderr messages on Mac OS X 10.8.
  • client: fix job scheduling bug. Sort by avg_ncpus doesn't apply to GPU jobs.
  • client: check for negative usage values in app_config.xml
  • client: tweaks to log output for <rrsim_detail>
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: Include error code in error string when process creation fails. It'll help to quickly identify the problem for localized systems.
  • client: don't assume that notices with same GUID are identical; a project may have edited a news item.
  • client (Win): if CreateProcess() fails because of mem, wait and retry.
    • Apparently on some Win 7/8 with SSD drives, CreateProcess() sometimes returns ERROR_NOT_ENOUGH_MEMORY; presumably it then allocates more swap space.
    • Treat this case using the "temporary exit" logic: delay for 10 min, then try again. If 100 failures, abort task.
    • Note: not tested. This may be a bad idea.
  • client: improve task duration estimates for apps that don't report fraction done.
    The "static estimate" is wu.rsc_fpops_est/app_version.flops.
    The problem is: what if the elapsed time exceeds this. In this case we were returning elapsed time, resulting in a "time remaining" of zero, which is bad. Instead, use the same exponential model that we use to estimate fraction done when it's not reported. This has the advantages that:
    • time remaining monotonically decreases (though potentially at a very slow rate).
    • the combo of fraction done, elapsed time, and time remaining is consistent for apps that don't report fraction done.
  • client: fix build break.
  • GUI RPC: add cross_project_id to PROJECT, for BoincTasks. This was already in the XML written by the client; no client change needed.
  • GUI RPC: add missing clear of PROJECT::cross_project_id
  • client (Win): if 32 bit client on 64 bit host, warn about VirtualBox. The 32-bit client won't be able to detect VBox on a 64-bit host. Say this in a startup message.
  • client/scheduler: add support for "client brand".
    Currently the server doesn't know about different client "brands", e.g. HTC Power to Give, Charity Engine, GridRepublic, etc., so there's no way to collect statistics about them.

    Changes:
    • client: at startup, read a "client brand" string from client_brand.txt (i.e. branded clients will have to include this file in their installer). Report this string in scheduler requests.
    • scheduler: parse this request element, and store it in host.serialnum as [BOINC|7.4.2|brand]
  • client: Make sure handle_temporary_exit() cleans up any descendents and any other processes of interest determined by other_pid.
  • client: Cleanup any descendants or other_pids on a premature exit as well.
  • client: fix logic for cleaning up subsidiary processes.

    "Subsidiary processes" are
    1) descendants
    2) "other PIDs" as reported by the app, e.g. VMs which are not descendants. We were failing to clean up these processes in some cases.

    • Add a function ACTIVE_TASK::kill_exited_app() for killing the subsidiary processes of a task whose main process has already exited. At this point we can't enumerate its current descendants; but we have the list of descendants from the last time we computed memory usage (within the last 10 sec). So kill this, and kill the other PIDs.
    • Call this function when appropriate:
    - too many temporary exits.
    - too many premature exits.
    - main process has exited in response to abort or quit message (the existing code failed to kill other PIDs).
    • rename ACTIVE_TASK::kill_task() to kill_running_task() to emphasize its intended use.

    Also remove code that, in case of secure install on Windows, didn't try to kill any subsidiary processes at all; there used to be a permission problem in doing so, now there isn't.
  • client: return a possible error code to the core client if execv fails for some reason in the switcher tool.
  • client: attempt to get a more useful error message from kill_app_process() on non-Windows platforms.
  • client: try to get a return code from switcher (i.e., from the command that switcher executed.)
  • client: add <project_max_concurrent> option for app_config.xml

    This lets you limit the number of running jobs over the whole project.
    • Note: this is not taken into account in work fetch.
  • client: fix bug in last commit.
  • client: write log messages for trickle-ups (if <trickle_debug> set)
  • client: In switcher, return the actual error code from execv (usually -1) rather than errno, and let the invoking call retrieve errno if appropriate (modify commit f014b0d).
  • client: Avoid needless error messages about kill failing. Only call kill_by_switcher() if we are running in sandbox mode, otherwise call kill.
  • client: Remove unneeded SANDBOX ifdefs. Use g_use_sandbox instead. I left one in main.cpp since I do not know where check_security() is.
  • client/lib: Refactor kill code for Windows. Expose functionality for wrapper apps.
  • lib: Normalize 'int kill_program()' around the error codes returned by errno.
  • client: Use strerror() in kill_app_processes() on Windows instead of boincerror().
  • client: Add missing stub functions for Windows related to removing the SANDBOX ifdef.
  • client: Use pipes to redirect sdtout/stderr output from switcher, report any failures as task_debug output with msg_printf().
  • client: Append the stdout and stderr buffer in switcher_exec in case the output is more than 1k.
  • lib: fix compile break.
  • client: fix error reporting from kill_app_process() on non-Windows platforms when not sandboxed.
  • client: Fix use of pipes to redirect sdtout/stderr output from switcher and tweak reporting failures as task_debug output with msg_printf().
  • client: if execv ever fails when attempting to launch switcher, exit as quickly as possible in the forked process.
    • Returning from the switcher_exec() may leave 2 boinc processes running until one crashes.


Preliminary Change Log 7.4.9 -> 7.4.10


  • MGR: In Advanced Preferences dialog, adjust sizes of text edit controls and size of the dialog depending on font size.
  • client: begin adding support for OpenCL devices other than AMD/ATI, NVIDIA or Intel.
  • client: keep array subscripts in bounds.
  • client: generalize naming scheme for OpenCL devices, add more general have_rsrc() functions.
  • client: group new (non-NVIDIA, non-AMD, non-INTEL) OpenCL device types by vendor name string rather than by CL_DEVICE_VENDOR_ID. This assumes that OpenCL reports identical vendor name strings for all devices from the same vendor on a given host. I incorrectly thought CL_DEVICE_VENDOR_ID was a numeric ID of the vendor which would be the same for each device from that vendor, but it is actually a unique numeric ID assigned by a given vendor to each device on a particular host.
  • client: fix compile warning.
  • client: continue adding support for OpenCL devices (GPUs and accelerators) other than AMD/ATI, NVIDIA or Intel GPUs.
    • For now, handle AMD/ATI, NVIDIA or Intel GPUs as before. But for other, "new" vendors, we treat each device as a separate resource, creating an entry for each instance in the COPROCS::coprocs[] array and copying the device name COPROC::opencl_prop.name into the COPROC::type field (instead of the vendor name.)
    • For devices from "new" vendors, set <gpu_type> field in init_data.xml file to the vendor string supplied by OpenCL. This should allow boinc_get_opencl_ids() to work correctly with these "new" devices without modification.
  • client: fix compile warnings.
  • client: fix compile warnings.


Preliminary Change Log 7.4.10 -> 7.4.11


  • client: don't pass --device to GPU apps w/ API version >= 7.5

    This addresses a problem w/ Bitcoin Utopia, whose coprocessor app (run via the wrapper) doesn't expect a --device arg, and fails if it gets one.
    The --device mechanism has been superceded by APP_INIT_DATA.gpu_device_num.GPU apps built with the current API and later should not expect a --device arg.


Preliminary Change Log 7.4.11-> 7.4.12


  • client: fix build break.
  • client: client brand fix.
  • client: minor code shuffle.
  • lib: Fix build break on Linux when building with --enable-debug
  • client: fix compiler warning on non-Windows systems introduced by commit ffff2cd.



Available installers:

Windows 7.4.12
- boinc_7.4.12_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.12_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.12
- boinc_7.4.12_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.12_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.12_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6422) Message boards : Projects : Albert@Home (Message 55140)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
... it seems that completed work can't be uploaded at the moment. And scheduler isn't sending any work in either.

No, the project is effectively down. And since it's the middle of the night in Hanover, I wouldn't expect it to be back until some time tomorrow, at the least. Depends on what problems they've run into.
6423) Message boards : Projects : Albert@Home (Message 55139)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unfortunately, the 'archive' file doesn't contain the previous announcement from thread 9009. What sort of an archive is that?

As far as I know, these files only store past messages of up to 30 days ago.
6424) Message boards : Projects : Albert@Home (Message 55136)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ugh. Why couldn't I simply copy and paste that from the BOINC Manager display?

So now you 'simply' copied and pasted it from \BOINC\notices\archive_albert.phys.uwm.edu_rss_main.php.xml, then you slightly adjusted it for phpBB code, right? :)

(hopes you didn't type it all over...)
6425) Message boards : Projects : Albert@Home (Message 55133)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, they have been threatening to update/upgrade to their new Drupal pages for ages now, perhaps that they finally done so and it broke things?

Although Einstein got a security update, perhaps that Albert did as well, and that broke things. I asked about it in that thread.
6426) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55121)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm busy cleaning out two rooms, including my computer room. Going to put new vinyl flooring down, a must after 14 years of the same stuff. There's holes in the vinyl of the computer room. So y'all have to entertain yourselves, as I can't do that from this phone.
6427) Message boards : GPUs : Need help trying to understand what happened on v7 Cuda50 WUs (Message 55088)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You were advised by Joe Segur to report this to the BOINC developers, since you are using a development version. These message boards are frequented by volunteers, not by the developers.

Furthermore, on all the BOINC development versions, I post the reminder of:
Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


When you do post to the BOINC Alpha email list, post about your problem in full. Don't post a link to the thread and tell the developers to go look there, because they won't and your problem will then just be ignored.
6428) Message boards : Promotion : Publications by BOINC projects (Message 55084)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We have blocked off account creation on the wiki due to excessive spam infestations. It was becoming more than a day job for three people, to remove all the crud from there. We just couldn't keep up.

If you want an account, you can ask David Anderson for one. His email address can be found on the personnel page on the main BOINC web page.

But a lot of the publications there were added by the project administrators, many of whom already have an account. If they don't see the need to update the list, then where are you going to get the information from?
6429) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 55043)
Posted 24 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Funny to see all those new members. Welcome all. Hope you'll come back at other times, not just when Seti is down. :)
6430) Message boards : The Lounge : Weird Al Yankovic is back... (Message 54976)
Posted 22 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Video 7: Lame Claim To Fame

Video Eight: Mission Statement
(If not working, check it at the bottom of the Wall Street Journal blog, as it seems to be syndicated through there)

Enjoy.
6431) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cache: What's the best setting? (Message 54971)
Posted 22 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
In that case you could either set RS to zero on all projects (although I admit, not all projects have updated their server software to allow this yet), or continue as you do.

Is there a best setting if you allow one project at a time to fetch work?
Why not allow BOINC to make that decision and allow all projects?

My i5-2500K with AMD HD7870 runs every now and then, at a zero and zero cache setting, Seti and Einstein only, and only on the GPU. Every now and then is maybe in the weekends, if it's not too hot and if I am not playing TESO. ;)

Having just spent money on 4 more months of TESO, I guess BOINC'll have to wait some more.
6432) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cache: What's the best setting? (Message 54969)
Posted 22 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
How many projects have you added?
Are they all allowed to fetch work?
All the same resource share?
Do you have one or more GPUs?
A beefy computer?
6433) Message boards : Android : "Power sources for computation" no longer allows battery? (Message 54965)
Posted 21 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.3.17.apk
6434) Message boards : Android : "Power sources for computation" no longer allows battery? (Message 54958)
Posted 20 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Must be something local then. The red line is as far as I know to warn you that this isn't something Berkeley advises you to use. But selecting it isn't a problem with 7.3.12 on my phone:
6435) Message boards : The Lounge : Weird Al Yankovic is back... (Message 54954)
Posted 20 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yesterday's video: Sports Song, although it may be broken by now. I couldn't play it on any of my computer systems yesterday, had to play it on my Android phone.

Today's video: First World Problems, a Pixies parody.
6436) Message boards : The Lounge : Weird Al Yankovic is back... (Message 54942)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Day 4.
Handy, a parody on Iggy Azalea's "Fancy".
6437) Message boards : The Lounge : Weird Al Yankovic is back... (Message 54933)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Weird Al's 3rd video in as many days: Foil, a parody on 'Royals' by Lorde.
6438) Message boards : Questions and problems : using GUI? (Message 54932)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want to run the science faster, get a fast GPU. If you can afford it, get multiple fast GPUs. For Seti also look on their forums for a link to the Lunatics optimized applications. Or ask about them and how to install and use them, on the Seti forums.

As to the signature, looks like you added it manually before. Your last post has no signature. Thank you.

Edit: You signature can be found in the community preferences in your account.
6439) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Minimum Battery Level" for Desktop BOINC Manager? (Message 54925)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers are looking into possibilities, may take a while for something to surface. But it is on the to do list.
6440) Message boards : Questions and problems : using GUI? (Message 54923)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no separate command line client and a GUI version of BOINC, instead there is the BOINC client and BOINC Manager. The BOINC client can be run from the command line and commanded through there and through the BOINCCMD BOINC command tool. BOINC Manager is just a graphical user interface to allow for easier command and control, on its own it doesn't do anything.

Aside from all that, BOINC doesn't do any science. It's the project science applications that take care of that, and thus the question of what is faster is moot.

Now, as for your signature, I've looked at the site and wonder if you are a spammer or not. If you feel you're not, I would appreciate it that you take down the link to your garden design company, as otherwise someone here might report you as being malicious and we'd have to take your account down. For reference: our policy on the removal of spammers.
6441) Message boards : The Lounge : Weird Al Yankovic is back... (Message 54917)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
... yeah, let me spam you a bit with the latest Weird Al videos. Check his Youtube channel for all his videos.

Do check out Word Crimes, his spoof for Blurred Lines by Robin Thicke. See if you can keep up. :)

Of course, his other video is Tacky, his parody on Happy by Pharrell.

One video a day this week. He's going to release a new video every day, 8 videos in 8 days. I can't wait. :)
6442) Message boards : News : BOINC servers down Thursday 17 July (Message 54916)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I thought isaac had been moved down to the co-lo, same as the SETI servers? ?

That's what I'd been told was planned about a year ago. So if it's not been done yet, don't look at me. :)
6443) Message boards : Projects : Bitcoin Utopia not science project (Message 54914)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think a more reasonable request would be to have the project look at their credit distribution, is it as skewed for non-ASIC devices?

Maybe, but then that's normally done by the users rather than the BOINC development team, for the simple reason of what to do when they would request that a project follow their credit sampling, and the project says "no"?

Not much there can be done to force a project to follow the will of BOINC development, while users can en-masse say that they leave the place. Aside from perhaps not being included in the Projects List. Everything is open source, everything can be hacked, edited, reprogrammed, adjusted, tinkered with to the hearts content of the project administrator.

Now to give you an idea: even you can start a project today that pays twelve trillion credit per task done on the Uppercase application included in the package. There have been fan-based projects in the past, there are probably still fan-based projects this moment, that run nothing but Uppercase and give out credit for that. All of those might be diluting the value Richard points out, I don't know.
6444) Message boards : News : BOINC servers down Thursday 17 July (Message 54913)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The spammers will be mortified, for where should they post their stuff then that day? :)
6445) Message boards : Questions and problems : Updating My BOINC (Message 54907)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Berkeley isn't responsible for updating BOINC in the package manager of your Linux distribution. The Package Maintainer is responsible for that.

See this older thread at AskUbuntu.com on how to deal with that.
6446) Message boards : Questions and problems : No projects in BOINC Manager (Message 54906)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since you say you click 'synchronize', I'm assuming you are using an account manager. Which one do you use, Grid Republic, BOINC Account Manager? Did you add projects through the account manager's web site?

If you didn't mean to add projects through an account manager, try to use the Tools->Add projects->Add project option.
6447) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Minimum Battery Level" for Desktop BOINC Manager? (Message 54905)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've forwarded your request to the developers.
6448) Message boards : Projects : Bitcoin Utopia not science project (Message 54899)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shrug. It's not as if the credits are worth anything, so until they do, it doesn't really matter to the powers that be.
6449) Message boards : Questions and problems : will boinc work with a home beowulf cluster (Message 54898)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
With a client running on it? Would be possible if you installed the client on each individual computer. It won't work to have the client see the whole cluster as one computer.
6450) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54891)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have to remember that this happens on Tuesday. Again I lost a good post due to me clicking Submit and the project being in maintenance already. Sigh.
6451) Message boards : Questions and problems : combining accounts (Message 54880)
Posted 13 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Merging accounts isn't possible.

When I installed BOINC on this new machine, it started a whole new account, even though I had used to same identifying information to get going (Email address, user name, team membership, etc.).

When adding the projects again, always choose the "Yes, existing user" option, as that will make sure that you use your current account. Making two accounts with the same email address isn't possible, as the email address is the unique identifier.

So the easiest way to explain what happened is that you must've chosen to make a new account, and used a different email address. The BOINC databases at projects don't care if your use email.address@snippy.snap or EmaIl.AdDreSs@SNipPy.SnAP, both of these are the same. However, any typo made in the email address made it a different one.
6452) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does it flicker?? (Message 54875)
Posted 13 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something changed between BOINC 7.2.33 and 7.2.42 that made the screen saver flicker, what I still don't know. What I do know, is that BOINC 7.2.33 doesn't do it, and also that the latest beta 7.4.8 has it fixed. But 7.2.42 (and some versions either side of 7.2.42) flickers.


BOINC 7.2.33 - 64 bit
BOINC 7.4.8 - 64 bit
6453) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54852)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If it were an earthquake, you wouldn't be posting here. The BOINC server is in the same location as the Seti servers.
6454) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54849)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The powers that be didn't like the net neutrality blog...
6455) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 54848)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It wanted the weekend off, or Verizon/Comcast have put their extortion claim down already (ref. net neutrality.) ;-)
6456) Message boards : Questions and problems : Low on Memory (Message 54844)
Posted 11 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without some basic information such as which projects you've got added, from which you have work and with what applications, your operating system and amount of memory in the computer, it's like reading tea leaves.

So please just post the first 30-40 lines of your BOINC start up messages, so we can get just that information, and add anything you can add.
6457) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 54835)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have released BOINC 7.4.8 for testing.
The major changes since 7.2 are:

- Notices can now contain images and video. (To test this you'll need to attach to the BOINC Alpha project; see the testing instructions).
- The advanced preferences dialog validates its inputs; e.g. it won't let you enter -1 or 110 for a percentage.
- We switched to a new major version of the GUI toolkit (wxWidgets). This caused many small changes in layout and appearance.

We updated the test instructions, especially the "BOINC Manager Notices" and "Preferences tests" sections. Please review the test instructions carefully:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

Please report your test results to: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Please report any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6458) Message boards : API : Environment Variables (Message 54834)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd say, start by looking at this search in the Wiki: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/search?q=environment+variables

If you want more help, some more information would be more than nice.
Are you using your own applications, or are they run through a wrapper?
What is the application doing?
Which XML files are you talking about?

I'm sure my colleague Christian has more questions. :)
6459) Message boards : Questions and problems : how do i completely disable GPU (Message 54827)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project web site
Your account
Project preferences
Uncheck Use AMD GPU, or Nvidia GPU, or Intel GPU, depending on which one you have.
Save changes on web site.
Open Boinc Manager, Projects tab, select the project you made the changes on, click Update.

Do this for each project that uses your GPU.
6460) Message boards : GPUs : Configurable limit for compute units (Message 54813)
Posted 9 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think David understands GPU programming. As you said yourself, there's no API for that.

Well, there is the thing that bergi points out, that using clCreateSubDevices one can divide the compute units up in arrays for calculations. But the problem here is, and I already said that in my email to the developers, is that it's OpenCL 1.2 compliant only.

This means that all OpenCL 1.0 and 1.1 GPUs cannot do it.
This means that ALL Nvidia GPUs cannot do it.

And then you'll need to find if there is a similar ability for CUDA, as else everyone with an Nvidia card will scream how that the developers found it possible to only program this for newer AMD and Intel GPUs. Foregoing the fact that Nvidia decided in their own wisdom to stop developing OpenCL of course.

So it's probably more trouble at this time, than it is worth.
6461) Message boards : GPUs : Configurable limit for compute units (Message 54810)
Posted 9 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from David Anderson:
BOINC allows apps to use fractional GPUs, i.e. for > 1 job to run on a GPU.
We're not going to add a preference for users to limit the usage of a GPU.
6462) Message boards : GPUs : Configurable limit for compute units (Message 54806)
Posted 8 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll have to ask the GPU's manufacturer for an API that does that then, as at the moment all that GPGPUs can do is either be full on, or full off. No option available yet to partially use the computing resources.
6463) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggestion for BOINC website (Message 54795)
Posted 8 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Suggesting to put project specific links on the BOINC front website isn't going to be helpful, mostly since those links can be found on the project's web site, or in BOINC Manager. It isn't helpful to put those links on the BOINC front page, as there are 55+ projects available out there, and we'd have to link to all of them then. Not going to be done, it's what the project websites are for.

It's the project that dictates which buttons it shows in BOINC Manager, but in the mean time you can do with the "Your Computers" button when you select Seti@Home in BOINC Manager. That goes to the generic list of hosts that anyone can see when they click on your name in the Seti forums, when you do not have your computers hidden.

To get there:

Advanced View:
Open BOINC Manager->Projects tab->Select Seti@Home->click Your computers.

Simple View:
Open BOINC Manager->on the Projects drop-down menu choose Seti@Home->click Project web pages->click Your computers.

To get there from the Seti website:
Navigate to https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/, then click on Your Account, if necessary log in, then click on the View behind Computers on this account.
6464) Message boards : Questions and problems : problem with SETI@Home (Message 54786)
Posted 7 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to log in directly on http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php
6465) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.3.19 and 7.4.8 (Message 54773)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I just tested that and I get the same message (on 7.4.8, but also in the message log:

06/07/2014 00:10:39 | | Fetching configuration file from http://pogs.theskynet.org/pogs/get_project_config.php
06/07/2014 00:10:58 | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
06/07/2014 00:11:02 | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

A full log with http_debug and http_xfer_debug shows:
06/07/2014 00:13:45 | | Fetching configuration file from http://pogs.theskynet.org/pogs/get_project_config.php
06/07/2014 00:13:45 | | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): http://pogs.theskynet.org/pogs/get_project_config.php
06/07/2014 00:13:45 | | [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Adding handle: conn: 0x328b7b0
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Adding handle: send: 0
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Adding handle: recv: 0
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Curl_addHandleToPipeline: length: 1
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: - Conn 16 (0x328b7b0) send_pipe: 1, recv_pipe: 0
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: About to connect() to pogs.theskynet.org port 80 (#16)
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Trying 54.208.77.129...
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Connected to pogs.theskynet.org (54.208.77.129) port 80 (#16)
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server: GET /pogs/get_project_config.php HTTP/1.1
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.4.8)
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server: Host: pogs.theskynet.org
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server: Accept: */*
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server: Accept-Language: en_GB
06/07/2014 00:13:46 | | [http] [ID#2] Sent header to server:
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server: Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 22:13:28 GMT
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Server Apache/2.2.27 (Amazon) is not blacklisted
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server: Server: Apache/2.2.27 (Amazon)
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server: X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.28
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server: Content-Length: 1687
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server: Connection: close
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server: Content-Type: text/xml
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Received header from server:
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http_xfer] [ID#2] HTTP: wrote 1081 bytes
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http_xfer] [ID#2] HTTP: wrote 606 bytes
06/07/2014 00:13:47 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Closing connection 16
06/07/2014 00:13:56 | | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): https://pogs.theskynet.org/pogs/lookup_account.php?email_addr=xxxx%2Exxxxx%40xxxxxx%2Exxx&passwd_hash=74e1427b76bdaec3067b07eab16eaa00
06/07/2014 00:13:56 | | [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
06/07/2014 00:13:57 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Adding handle: conn: 0x328b7b0
06/07/2014 00:13:57 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Adding handle: send: 0
06/07/2014 00:13:57 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Adding handle: recv: 0
06/07/2014 00:13:57 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Curl_addHandleToPipeline: length: 1
06/07/2014 00:13:57 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: - Conn 17 (0x328b7b0) send_pipe: 1, recv_pipe: 0
06/07/2014 00:13:57 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: About to connect() to pogs.theskynet.org port 443 (#17)
06/07/2014 00:13:57 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Trying 54.208.77.129...
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Connected to pogs.theskynet.org (54.208.77.129) port 443 (#17)
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: successfully set certificate verify locations:
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: CAfile: P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: CApath: none
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11):
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: SSLv3, TLS alert, Server hello (2):
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] [ID#2] Info: Closing connection 17
06/07/2014 00:13:58 | | [http] HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): http://www.google.com/
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Found bundle for host www.google.com: 0x31b6270
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Re-using existing connection! (#14) with host www.google.com
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Connected to www.google.com (74.125.136.103) port 80 (#14)
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Adding handle: conn: 0x32166b0
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Adding handle: send: 0
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Adding handle: recv: 0
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Curl_addHandleToPipeline: length: 1
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: - Conn 14 (0x32166b0) send_pipe: 1, recv_pipe: 0
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: GET / HTTP/1.1
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.4.8)
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Host: www.google.com
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept: */*
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Language: en_GB
06/07/2014 00:14:01 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 302 Found
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Cache-Control: private
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Location: http://www.google.nl/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=mHi4U8GACcPO-gaz4YCYCw
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Length: 258
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 22:13:44 GMT
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Server GFE/2.0 is not blacklisted
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Server: GFE/2.0
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Alternate-Protocol: 80:quic
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server:
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Ignoring the response-body
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Connection #14 to host www.google.com left intact
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Issue another request to this URL: 'http://www.google.nl/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=mHi4U8GACcPO-gaz4YCYCw'
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Found bundle for host www.google.nl: 0x31b6570
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Re-using existing connection! (#15) with host www.google.nl
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Connected to www.google.nl (74.125.136.94) port 80 (#15)
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Adding handle: conn: 0x328b170
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Adding handle: send: 0
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Adding handle: recv: 0
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Curl_addHandleToPipeline: length: 1
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: - Conn 15 (0x328b170) send_pipe: 1, recv_pipe: 0
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: GET /?gfe_rd=cr&ei=mHi4U8GACcPO-gaz4YCYCw HTTP/1.1
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 7.4.8)
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Host: www.google.nl
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept: */*
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Referer: http://www.google.com/
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: Accept-Language: en_GB
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Sent header to server:
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 22:13:44 GMT
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Expires: -1
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Cache-Control: private, max-age=0
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Set-Cookie: PREF=ID=05f86376565d3393:FF=0:TM=1404598424:LM=1404598424:S=Vj3CIgQSt1zbKpK9; expires=Mon, 04-Jul-2016 22:13:44 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.nl
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Set-Cookie: NID=67=OYCEZ1OKDUYijWXJAXsDjG576-Vd2Tj2BBYHasf4lJ6pKTPELp70aphdO2hsZzva0LWyTjL2HrW0C0qRxOBxcWWu7VCtgsm8qom1qz1LfENHZ_gVIktmQkE8U4LBALzI; expires=Sun, 04-Jan-2015 22:13:44 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.nl; HttpOnly
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: P3P: CP="This is not a P3P policy! See http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=151657 for more info."
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Server gws is not blacklisted
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Server: gws
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-XSS-Protection: 1; mode=block
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Alternate-Protocol: 80:quic
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server: Transfer-Encoding: chunked
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Received header from server:
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 463 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 1260 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 1260 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 3780 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 2520 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 2520 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 2520 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 1260 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 1260 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 1260 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 1260 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http_xfer] [ID#0] HTTP: wrote 131 bytes
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Connection #15 to host www.google.nl left intact
06/07/2014 00:14:02 | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
6466) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideal device for BOINC? (Message 54768)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, we've been there already. :-)

I wrote:
Doesn't really matter, most all Nvidia models, from Geforce 8xx0 models onwards, support CUDA 1.0 or above.
(source)
6467) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Question] Make BOINC use only 1 of 2 GPUs (Message 54767)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
&lt;cc_config&gt;
&lt;log_flags&gt;
&lt;/log_flags&gt;
&lt;options&gt;
&lt;ignore_ati_dev&gt;0&lt;/ignore_ati_dev&gt;
&lt;/options&gt;
&lt;/cc_config&gt;

This will ignore the Radeon, but leave the Nvidia intact.

Use Notepad to put the lines in (copy them in).
Then Save As..
Path to BOINC data directory (default on Windows Vista, 7 and 8.1) at C:\Programdata\BOINC\
Save name: cc_config.xml
Save type: All files
Encoding: ANSI

Saving as an All Files type makes sure there's no trailing .txt extension on. This file requires only an .xml extension for BOINC to be able to work with it.

Next exit BOINC and restart it (Start->All programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager).

If you want both GPUs to be used again, temporarily remove the cc_config.xml file and exit & restart BOINC again.
6468) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideal device for BOINC? (Message 54760)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or talk about ol' Nick:
6469) Message boards : Questions and problems : samsung galaxy phone -GT-s7275r BOINC (Message 54759)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's still confusing: You're saying that limit, time and usage all have the same meaning in BOINC terms?

No, you said that the wording didn't mention time, but when you look at the line of text underneath CPU Limit, it says Limits the CPU time BOINC uses for computation. I didn't say anything on the subject, merely asked you what it said for CPU Limit.

In any way, the best place for a discussion like this is at the Google group for BOINC for Android: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/boinc-android-testing. That's read by the developer in question.
6470) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideal device for BOINC? (Message 54757)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
All Nvidia GPUs from an 8300GT and higher will be able to do CUDA.

You probably mean 8500GT or 8400GS.

No, I meant an 8300. But I didn't check what letters it had before or after on the Nvidia CUDA list, instead I wrote that from memory. Doesn't really matter, most all Nvidia models, from Geforce 8xx0 models onwards, support CUDA 1.0 or above.

Tesla is the microarchitecture.

When you tell me you have a Tesla in your computer, I'll think of this thing:

The rest of them are Geforce models, with a number. To me. To most of the people using them, I think. But if you want to be politically correct on these things, go ahead.

Next I'll be talking about the electric sports car Tesla.
6471) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Processor affinity mask (Message 54754)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Won't be done.

As:
a) it isn't a function of BOINC Manager. That is just a graphical user interface to allow you to command and control the BOINC client program.
b) even if CPU affinity were to be added to the BOINC client program, tests in the past have shown that there is no real decrease in run times. If it were 10% and more, things would be different, but for 2-4% it's not really affordable to spend the programming and debugging time on it.

Also, something like that would need to use an API of sorts, one that needs to be available for Windows, Linux and Mac OSX at the minimum. Adding a feature to be used by just one operating system pool isn't in BOINC its interests.

Apart from that, you can set BOINC to use the amount of CPU cores you want it to use before you go game.
6472) Message boards : Questions and problems : samsung galaxy phone -GT-s7275r BOINC (Message 54753)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
My thinking, is if I have 60% on BOINC, I've got 40% of CPU reserved for other things (texts / phone calls / internet etc..). it should run 100% of the time

And that is not how BOINC works.

BOINC is a "one source code - can be compiled on many platforms" program, which doesn't rely on special APIs for certain operating systems and hardware. This way something like limiting the use of the CPU is done exactly the same between Linux, Windows, Mac OS X and Android.

though, the wording of the settings is wrong - it says percentage of CPU not TIME.


What does it say for CPU Limit?

In one of my oldest FAQs, I post the ins and outs of the timings of this feature. And that's even not accurate anymore, as it can be fine tuned to values behind the decimal comma these days.
6473) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Question] Make BOINC use only 1 of 2 GPUs (Message 54742)
Posted 4 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Too difficult. Then it's easier to run with two cc_config.xml files, one in which GPU1 is ignored and the other in which it is not. Then just switch between those prior to gaming (remember, all GPU decision actions requires a BOINC restart).
6474) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideal device for BOINC? (Message 54741)
Posted 4 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And for that matter, there is no need to go for a Tesla. That may be a dedicated co-processor, but then you pay for that as well. You can get quite the same result by just adding a cheap AMD or Nvidia GPU. All Nvidia GPUs from an 8300GT and higher will be able to do CUDA. There's also no real need to buy a new card for that computer, second or third hand is good enough.
6475) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Question] Make BOINC use only 1 of 2 GPUs (Message 54728)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It does make for an interesting feature request though, one that I will forward to the developers.

They think it's an interesting idea as well and put it on their to-do list. Not for the near future though, but eventually it will come. It will help if more people say they want this option. Or add their support for it in ticket [trac]#1361[/trac].
6476) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Question] Make BOINC use only 1 of 2 GPUs (Message 54724)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, the &lt;exclusive_gpu_app&gt; option in the cc_config.xml file will suspend any and all GPUs in the system when the program within the tags is found in memory.

As far as I know, there is no option to automate what you're asking for. The only option you have is to manually suspend the GPU you want to use for gaming. If that's an option. Or else to suspend all GPUs.

It does make for an interesting feature request though, one that I will forward to the developers.
6477) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideal device for BOINC? (Message 54718)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It also depends on what kind of Pentium 4 you have, and whether or not you have a PCI-E slot on the motherboard. If a Prescott P4, it might be able to keep up. But if there is no PCI-E slot on the motherboard, there's no way to add a Tesla.

(Before anyone says PCI -> PCI-E riser card, I'll say really?)
6478) Message boards : The Lounge : testing XML code (Message 54713)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can I see?

&lt;exclude_gpu&gt;
&lt;exclude_gpu/&gt;
&lt;exclude_gpu&gt;

&lt;exclude_gpu&gt;


Aha, well that's going to be interesting writing cc_config.xml file examples.
6479) Message boards : The Lounge : testing XML code (Message 54712)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can I see?

<exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu/>
<exclude_gpu>

<exclude_gpu>
6480) Message boards : The Lounge : testing XML code (Message 54711)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can I see?

<exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu/>
<exclude_gpu>

<exclude_gpu>
6481) Message boards : Questions and problems : getting many "validation inconclusive" (Message 54710)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ps. You are perfectly right about the OpenCL-thing. It's not possible to avoid getting OpenCL tasks. They keep loading on the task list... but I reject them manually.

Well, it is possible to avoid getting them, by either setting the project preferences to an application that only has CUDA, such as the BRP5 app (see the Einstein applications page for which apps they have).

Or you can use the &lt;exclude_gpu&gt; option in cc_config.xml's Options section.

and basicly: I'm only interested in "using GPU" for this science work. OpenCL seems to be extremely far away from that.

OpenCL is just the latest in (open source) GPU and CPU computation; where Nvidia first supported it, however, they have stopped doing so in favor of their own proprietary CUDA. So with support for OpenCL dwindled, and it having stopped at OpenCL 1.1 for all Nvidia GPUs out there, any newer updates in code and hardware won't be used by Nvidia GPUs and thus therefore OpenCL seems slow or erratic. Not OpenCL's fault, but purely Nvidia who don't support it anymore, hardware wise.

My host runs only work on the AMD HD 7870 GPU, it switches between Seti and Einstein. It only runs OpenCL applications on the GPU. Nothing on the CPU cores.

And when I game, and that I do a lot lately, then I switch BOINC off. My % of time BOINC client is running is 15.5306%. :-) But that's better than it was last week, when it was only 8%. :P

Great, since I am admin, I can't post unescaped XML anymore.
6482) Message boards : Questions and problems : getting many "validation inconclusive" (Message 54704)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein@Home is the only project my computer is participating in.

Then Einstein@Home is the project you should ask this at, as it is their application and their validator that deems your work as inconclusive, and in the end presumably marked as invalid.

So, they all are cuda-tasks... (I don't accept any opencl-tasks).

Not sure how you determine that you don't accept any OpenCL tasks, as it's not a choice in the Einstein project preferences to do so. But luckily for you, the OpenCL applications for BRP5 at Einstein are for AMD GPUs only. Were you e.g. to run the FGRP (Gamma-ray pulsar search #3) application, it would only be OpenCL.
6483) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 54698)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dynasty
6484) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removing unwanted projects (Message 54688)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apropos, I don't see how running Astropulse could be affecting your recent average credit in any way, but positive. Credits for Astropulse (AP) lie multiple hundreds to over a thousand, whereas credit for Seti v7 are only in the multiple tens.

AP tasks are made from the same tapes as the Seti v7 tasks are made from. It's just that AP does searches in the broad band, whereas Seti v7 does searches in the narrow band. AP tasks are split first, and there won't be as many tasks of them split from the same data as there are Seti v7 tasks split. So AP tasks tend to run out earlier, which is why it may be difficult to get them.

Yet due to that scarcity and their longer run time, they pay better in credits. Run a couple of APs and your RAC skyrockets.
6485) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removing unwanted projects (Message 54687)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Astropulse and Seti are two separate applications that you can run through the Seti@Home project. You don't sign up for either of them.

You will be able to choose at every project under BOINC, which applications you want to run. You can do so from the Project Preferences page, from the your account page.

In the case of Seti, that's your account -> Seti@Home preferences, edit them and check/uncheck which of the application you want to run with, under the Run only the selected applications.. section.

Then save changes to the web site, open BOINC Manager;
In Simple view, select Seti@Home from the Project drop down menu, Project commands, Update.
In Advanced view, Projects tab, select Seti@Home, Update.

That gets your new preferences in that BOINC will use on all the next work requests. Any Astropulse work still in cache needs to be run or aborted.
6486) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideal device for BOINC? (Message 54676)
Posted 1 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know that there's BOINC for Linux, and most project also support Linux

Yes, but the problem here is the CPU. According to the small lettering on the link you gave about the Jetson it supports Linux for Tegra. It doesn't support just any Linux though, as most Linux distros are for x86 and x64 CPUs only, not for ARM CPUs.
So you need that special Linux, developed by Nvidia that is able to run on that CPU, and in its repository should you look if someone ported a BOINC that can run on that system. Berkeley certainly doesn't have a BOINC that is capable of running on an ARM CPU, not unless you also have the Android Operating System and a mobile device such as a smartphone, or a tablet.

And even when you then have managed to get a BOINC running on that system, you're only half-way there as there may not be any projects that have a Linux_ARM application. Some have ARM applications, but again, those are for Android. And even then, one ARM application cannot run on all ARM CPU out there.

So you'll have to ask the specific projects if they have an application that can run on an ARM Cortex-A15 CPU, under the special Linux developed by Nvidia. Yet, again, only after you managed to get a BOINC running on that system.

As for OpenCL applications being able to run on that GPU, even that is difficult as Nvidia is no longer putting anything into developing for OpenCL, but only gearing towards their own CUDA.
6487) Message boards : BOINC client : Optimization question? (Message 54673)
Posted 1 Jul 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of optimization are you thinking of?
6488) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideal device for BOINC? (Message 54662)
Posted 30 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is a BOINC for Android for ARM CPUs;
There is a BOINC for the Raspberry Pi, running on its Linux, in its repositories.

So perhaps that the Linux for that system has a BOINC.
But then you have the next problem to tackle, as BOINC is only part of the problem. Next you'll have to find a project that made a science application that can run on the CPU of the Jetson. Nothing said about the GPU.

Perhaps the best place at the moment to ask is at the Einstein forums, where they have a long thread on support for systems like that.
6489) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removing unwanted projects (Message 54661)
Posted 30 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Open BOINC Manager:

Simple View:
Select project of choice, Project commands, Remove, acknowledge.

Advanced View:
Projects tab, Select project of choice, Remove, acknowledge.
6490) Message boards : Questions and problems : Graphics driver. (Message 54640)
Posted 29 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have the problem that AMD is going to drop Windows 8.0 support on its newer drivers. The present beta 14.6 drivers no longer has that support --but that tells you that there's that change coming-- and that they will only support Windows 7 and 8.1 from now on. So you really best upgrade to Windows 8.1 As Soon As Possible. It's free to do so, so there's really no reason why you wouldn't want to, unless your Windows is illegal. And I doubt you use a pirated version... ;-)

A second answer

Doubtful. It's Windows that requires that there is an active monitor attached to the end of the video-lead, otherwise it drops the driver you loaded, or something like that. And it's really not a good idea to unplug a monitor from a videocard, while it's in use, as you have a good chance to blow up your motherboard when things go wrong. You only need that one day of bad luck to have that happen, even if you managed to do so 1,699 times before.

Despite what Microsoft says about hot-swapping videocards, hard drives, lots of first time USB paraphernalia and stuff like that, best thing is always to power down, before doing so.
6491) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc not active on idle for last week (Message 54638)
Posted 29 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post BOINC its start-up messages? The first 30-40 lines will do.
Also, when you check in BOINC Manager, does there appear to be work to be done?
Which project(s) have you got added to BOINC?
Are they allowed to fetch work?
Do you have any tasks suspended?
Do you have any project suspended?
6492) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54623)
Posted 27 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.8 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.7 -> 7.4.8

  • MGR: Add an exit menu item to the simple view for Linux distros where libnotify isn't working. From Gianfranco Costamagna.
  • Fix line breaks.



Available installers:

Windows 7.4.8
- boinc_7.4.8_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.8_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.8
- boinc_7.4.8_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.8_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.8_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6493) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54620)
Posted 27 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
1) This is the BOINC development board. Their posting rules apply. Their moderator(s) enforce. We are their guest.

We have rules? That's news to me. :)
Nah, as long as you don't post spam, we have pretty big gaps between our fingers to see through.
6494) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54617)
Posted 27 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.6 available for testing for Windows.
BOINC 7.4.7 available for testing for Macintosh.



Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.4 -> 7.4.5

  • client: remove notices about app_config.xml after problem is fixed.
  • Windows compile fixes.
  • client: remove notices if user fixes errors in cc_config.xml
  • GUI RPC: include is_youtube_video flag in notice struct.
    This is set if the notice text includes "youtube.com", case-insensitive.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.5 -> 7.4.6


  • client: Fix build break.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.6 -> 7.4.7


  • client: Undo code removal.



Available installers:

Windows 7.4.6
- boinc_7.4.6_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.6_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.7
- boinc_7.4.7_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.7_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.7_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6495) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - new projects column (Message 54613)
Posted 26 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe in the new GUI... drops veil again quickly. :)
6496) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54609)
Posted 26 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.4 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.2 -> 7.4.3

  • MGR: Update fix for wxListCtrl / CBOINCListCtrl flicker on Mac (commit d370e5a) to match the fix made to wxWidgets trunk by wxWidgets personnel, as described in http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/16334#comment:2.
  • MGR: Fix more deficiencies in Computing Preferences dialog reported by Juha.
  • MGR: Continue fixing deficiencies in Computing Preferences dialog reported by Juha.
  • MGR: Fix display of icon in Computing Preferences dialog under Linux.
  • MGR: Fix typo and comments.
  • MGR: Convert wxWidgets 2.8 language codes into ISO standard language codes before use.
  • LOCALE: Line feed changes

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.3 -> 7.4.4


  • Update .gitattributes to include a number of additional file types.
  • MGR: Language Codes 0 and 1 are special cased wxWidgets, for both cases use the default language.




Available installers:

Windows 7.4.4
- boinc_7.4.4_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.4_windows_x86_64.exe

6497) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager - new projects column (Message 54608)
Posted 26 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's already available in the properties of the project under BOINC 7
Just select project, click properties. There's the User and Host values of total credit and average credit, and e.g. in 7.4 the amount of tasks that completed and failed.

I doubt the developers will want to add that stuff into a column as well, cluttering things up.
6498) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc command line arguments (Message 54585)
Posted 24 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apropos, for future reference:
Command line options: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Command-line_options
BOINCCMD commands: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool
6499) Message boards : Questions and problems : current problem... doesn't stay on a unit. (Message 54570)
Posted 24 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The question as you now ask it may make perfect sense for you, since you are having a problem with it, but for those of us who aren't experiencing it, or looking over your shoulder, it's very difficult to exactly know what you mean and give an answer to it.

So therefore, please pass by on when requesting help on these forums for some pointers and give us some more information to work with.
6500) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Problem with Remaining Time (Message 54562)
Posted 23 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC when installed on a platform it's never been installed on before, will need to learn how long tasks take, per project, per application. Although the project sends out an estimated duration time with their tasks, due to the wide variety in hardware out there, they can only do that: send out an estimate. It's never a precise time, unless your hardware matches theirs completely.

So give BOINC time to learn how long tasks take. Eventually, over the course of 10, 20 tasks you'll find that BOINC will go show the time left over more accurately. Your other computer/BOINC has already gone through this course and therefore the BOINC there can more accurately estimate how long tasks take.
6501) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC only recognising 4GB RAM on a Quadro K6000 (Message 54551)
Posted 23 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have had an answer from the developers.
This is a shortcoming in the openCL specifications. OpenCL has only 32 bits for global_mem_size, so it can report a max of only 4GB. See the description for CL_GLOBAL_MEM_SIZE in http://www.khronos.org/registry/cl/sdk/1.1/docs/man/xhtml/

If BOINC can get that info from CUDA (for NVIDIA) or CAL (for AMD) it uses that instead.
6502) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC only recognising 4GB RAM on a Quadro K6000 (Message 54542)
Posted 22 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am also finding BOINC is only using 45-50% of the GPU.

BOINC isn't using your GPU, the project's science application is. So if they don't utilize the GPU completely, or put it under complete load, you'll have to ask about that at their forums.
6503) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC only recognising 4GB RAM on a Quadro K6000 (Message 54539)
Posted 22 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The algorithm used is 32bit, which has a maximum addressable memory range of 4,096MiB. Most all project applications for the GPU are 32bit applications. There's also no benefit from switching to 64bit applications, because accessing the memory on a GPU is rather slow.

At least, this was the reasoning a year ago. I'll see if there's an update on that.
6504) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC loads screensaver, runs momentarily, then reloads (Message 54538)
Posted 22 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I notice there are about a dozen higher versions for Windoze x64 in that folder; up to 7.4.2 (dated 18 June)

Those are alpha and beta updates, the present recommended is still 7.2.42
Someplace this summer we expect that a 7.4 will become the new recommended, but when that is and which version depends on the bugs associated with it.

I just tested with 7.4.2 with the screensaver on and found that it no longer does the rapid switches between the initialization screen and the screen saver, so it appears that that's fixed.

I changed the thread title.
6505) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removal of inactive/spammer accounts. (Message 54534)
Posted 21 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since we seem to be in the middle of a spammer storm, and removing them almost becomes a day-job, I've asked for the spammer removal script to be run automatically. It's now run once an hour.
6506) Message boards : Questions and problems : Use of specific/dedicated hard disk drive(s)? (Message 54511)
Posted 19 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That being in the Windows installer:

Click Advanced, then...

Top two directories dictate where to put the programs and Data directory. You'll want to change the data directory path.

The Macintosh has an option for that as well, elaborately laid out in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive
6507) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54506)
Posted 18 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.2 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending

logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them.

While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you.

Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you

that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This

disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.1 -> 7.4.2

  • Mac: Stop GIT from tracking files that should not be tracked.
  • Mac: Use the current date when building BOINC Client and Manager to automatically set the copyright year which will be shown in Mac's Get Info display for this build.
  • Mac: Stop GIT from tracking files that should not be tracked. Apparently these were accidentally added to tracking in previous commit c689bad.
  • Mac: Minor generalization tweak In wxWidgets build script.
  • MGR: Don't allow negative floating point values in any numeric fields of Computing Preferences dialog.
  • WINBUILD update version to 7.4.0
  • MGR: Reset everybody's language selection back to the default OS UI locale, in the future use the ISO language code to determine which locale to use for the manager.
  • Add a default handler to .gitattributes and handle VS2010 project files.




Available installers:

Windows 7.4.2
- boinc_7.4.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.2_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.4.2
- boinc_7.4.2_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.2_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.2_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6508) Message boards : Questions and problems : Specs from Account Manager Not Loading (Message 54503)
Posted 17 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post the BOINC start up messages? The first 30 to 40 lines will do. That gives us a lot of information.
6509) Message boards : News : BOINC Workshop to be held in Budapest (Message 54502)
Posted 17 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why are you in need to check your ID number? What are you trying to accomplish?
And please, when answering, could you do so without typing in all CAPS? That's considered rather rude and shouting on the internet.
6510) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54497)
Posted 17 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the middle of an answer I was giving someone, an answer that I've now lost and need to retype again. Wasn't a small one either. Grrr. And no, using the back-button of the browser doesn't help in this. :-(
6511) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 54495)
Posted 17 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Last week we forked the source tree to begin stabilizing the 7.4 release. This release was primarily about adding image/audio/video support for notices and some setup work on Windows.

For the initial release of 7.4 we are going to focus on Windows and Mac. We will follow-up with a Linux release when we have some more experience with wxWidgets 3.0.1. wxWidgets 3.0.1 was just released yesterday.

Later today I'll build a 7.4.1 release on Windows and kick off testing that build.

We will need to cover all the test areas for the public release of 7.4 so I'll be re-enabling all the relevant test areas for 7.4.1.

Be sure to touch as many test areas and test cases as you can.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6512) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cross-project ID confusion (Message 54487)
Posted 16 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Each project assigns you a CPID of its own with which you can be identified across projects and by statistics sites. Part of the CPID is based on your email address, the rest is random.

Whenever you add a new project, your CPID will go awry again, as the new project assigns its own ID to your account. Yet over time the CPIDs will sync themselves, and all be the same at each project. That is, until you add a new project...

When you have multiple computers, a good rule for yourself is to use the same email address at every project and have at least one computer with all the projects added. It doesn't need to run any work for all those projects, just as long as it has all project added, eventually the CPIDs will sync across the board.
6513) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54480)
Posted 14 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.1 available for testing for Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.4.0 -> 7.4.1

  • LIB: Remove some clutter exposed by branching 7.4
  • LIB: Fix build break
  • MGR: Fix cursor adjustment when moving mouse over wxListCtrl header column separators in Event Log.
  • MGR: Use the formal method to redirect to stdout (introduced in 3.0)
  • WINBUILD: Fix compiler preprocessor flags to match up with wxWidgets 3.0 compiler options. Needs the updated depends directory.
  • MGR: Scroll the list of projects if it does not fit in Disks tab. (Yay - Jord)
  • MGR: Remove some old workarounds no longer needed.
  • MGR: Remove some old workarounds no longer needed part II. (Charlie missed a file in previous commit.)
  • MGR: Fix wxListCtrl / CBOINCListCtrl flicker on Mac when resizing columns under wxCocoa 3.0.0.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.4.1
- boinc_7.4.1_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.4.1_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.4.1_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6514) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54466)
Posted 13 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
all hail the power of Thor.

Thunderstorm Thor, or is it your new power company that you're spamming for? You know what we do with spammers, right? :-)
6515) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 54451)
Posted 13 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti dropped off it seems? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/setiathome.berkeley.edu says it's not just me.
6516) Message boards : GPUs : Incorrect detection of AMD Radeon R9 290 (Message 54449)
Posted 12 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I checked past emails I had with the developers on this subject.
The new names like Hawaii, Caicos, Bonaire, Tahiti, etc. is what OpenCL is reporting that they are called. When the GPU does not support CAL it will not use the CAL naming schedule, as it is encoded into the client. Meaning that for CAL, there is code in the client, per case of AMD GPU that states what the name of that GPU is. Since we cannot use that same scheme for OpenCL, we use the names as OpenCL reports them.

Here's what's in the source code comments about this:
// AMD OpenCL does not recognize all AMD GPUs returned by
// CAL but we assume that OpenCL and CAL return devices in
// the same order.

// ATI/AMD OpenCL does not always recognize all GPUs returned by CAL.
// This is complicated for several reasons:
// * CAL returns only an enum (CALtargetEnum) for the GPU's family,
// not specific model information.
// * OpenCL returns only the GPU family name
// * Which GPUs support OpenCL varies with different versions of the
// AMD Catalyst drivers.
//
// To deal with this, we make some (probably imperfect) assumptions:
// * AMD drivers eliminate OpenCL support for older GPU families first.
// * Lower values of CALtargetEnum represent older GPU families.
// * All ATI/AMD GPUs reported by OpenCL are also reported by CAL (on
// systems where CAL is available) though the converse may not be true.
6517) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54443)
Posted 12 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.4.0 available for testing for Windows.

Rom Walton wrote:
I've completed the upload of updated 7.4.0 x64 builds which should fix the problem of the previous 7.4.0 not connecting to localhost.

For some reason the x86 debug builds of the update OpenSSL libraries ended up in the installer instead of the x64 release versions.



Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.19 -> 7.4.0

  • client, Unix: remove #ifdef on HAVE_DIRENT_H
  • client: fix bug in set_cc_config RPC saving value of <start_delay> option.
    • CC_CONFIG.start_delay is a double, not an int, so CC_CONFIG::write() must use %f format rather than %d.
  • MGR: Hide Project Web Pages task pane if multiple projects are selected using Shift-Click.
  • MGR: Simplification and efficiency improvements for list selection, list deselection and updating task panels.
  • MGR: Further simplification and efficiency improvements for list selection, list deselection and updating task panels.
  • MGR: use instance variables instead of the static (class) variables in my recent commits. This is better practice and safer, though the code did work properly with the static variables because OnCacheHint() is called whenever you select a different tab.
  • WINBUILD: Minimum supported VS is now VS 2010.
  • WINBUILD: Fix according to VS 2010 product tree changes.
  • MGR: Continue fixing detection of list selection and list deselection; deselecting by clicking on empty part of list control (below or on its right) does not generate any list events if the selected item has been scrolled out of view, so we must use mouse click events within the wxListCtrl.
  • MGR: Continue fixing detection of list selection and list deselection; It turns out that triggering on EVT_LIST_CACHE_HINT works better on Windows (native wxListCtrl) but mouse click events work better on Mac (generic wxListCtrl.) We still need to determine which is better on Linux.
  • MGR: Trim down the logging output on non-debug builds.
  • client: scheduling and work fetch tweaks for GPU exclusion cases.
    • Scheduling: if a resource has exclusions, put all jobs in the run list; otherwise we might fail to have a job for a GPU instance, and starve it.
    • Work fetch: allow work fetch from zero-share projects if the resource has instances that are idle because of GPU exclusion.
  • MGR: fix conflict in Mac builds which was introduced by earlier commit (9dcfb88).
  • MGR: add #define USE_LIST_CACHE_HINT to determine which platforms should use on EVT_LIST_CACHE_HINT and which should use EVT_LEFT_DOWN to trigger checking for item selection / deselection in wxListCtrl. This makes it independent of USE_NATIVE_LISTCONTROL. This is an improvement on commit 70639a7.
  • MGR: Fix error in my previous commit.
  • MGR: Remove debug_level stuff, it should be defined in the setup.h file used by wxWidgets instead.
  • API/client/vboxwrapper: show notice if need Vbox upgrade.
    • Vboxwrapper detects known buggy versions of Vbox and calls boinc_temporary_exit(). The "Incompatible version" message appears in the task status in the BOINC Manager, where some users may never see it. It needs to appear as a notice, telling the user to upgrade VBox.

    To do this, we added an optional argument to boinc_temporary_exit() saying that the message should be delivered as a notice. This is conveyed to the client by adding a line containing "notice" to the temp exit file.
  • MGR: add #if !USE_LIST_CACHE_HINT t in one more place that should have been included in commit a39f4f9.
  • client: delete per-project files when detach project.
  • client: when detach a project, remove the slot directories of its tasks.
  • client: when remove project, delete slot dirs and notice files; leave job log.
  • MGR: disable all wxWidgets debugging support in release builds on Mac (asserts. logging, etc.).
    Remove Manager code for writing asserts to log files; it is no longer used since wxASSERT() is now disabled for all platforms.
  • MGR: fix compiler warning.
  • client: fix typo that cause GPUs specified in cc_config.cml to be ignored.
  • client: maintain availability info, and export via GUI RPC.

    Maintain the following items:
    Per session (i.e. this run of the client):
    • active duration (computation enabled)
    • GPU active duration (GPU computation enabled)
    • Total (i.e. since the client first ran here)
    • duration (time the client has run)
    • active duration (as above)
    • GPU duration.

    Export them in the get_state() RPC; print them in boinccmd.

  • client: tweak to last commit.
  • client: maintain # of success and failed jobs per project; report in GUI RPC.
  • MGR: Fix typos in my commit 70639a7 for using EVT_LIST_CACHE_HINT instead of EVT_LIST_ITEM_SELECTED or EVT_LIST_ITEM_DESELECTED to immediately detect selection changes in generic wxListCtrl for updating task control panels.
  • MGR: For detection of list selection and list deselection; trigger on EVT_LIST_CACHE_HINT only for Windows; both EVT_LIST_CACHE_HINT and mouse click events work on Mac and Linux, but EVT_LIST_CACHE_HINT generates far more events than we need, so using mouse click events is more efficient. Unfortunately, using mouse click events does not work on Windows.
  • MGR: Fix progress bars in Linux CBOINCListCtrl by basing it on generic wxListCtrl instead of native wxListCtrl.
  • MGR: Fix compiler warnings.
  • client: fix bug that caused app_config settings to persist incorrectly
    We needed to clear the app_configs and app_version_configs vectors in PROJECT if app_config.xml isn't there.
  • client, Linux: print to stderr if can't parse /proc/x/stat
  • client: Update Mad build script, Xcode project and build instructions to use OpenSSL-1.0.1h.
  • MGR: Fix an assert and correct a comment.
  • MGR: Fix cursor adjustment when moving mouse over wxListCtrl header column separators.
  • LIB: /proc/<pid>/stat now uses 64-bit integer types.
  • LIB: bug fix for previous commit.
  • LIB: provide reference to source for future reference.
  • MGR: show # of tasks completed/failed in project properties.
  • MGR: optimize changes of commit a8cc13f for better efficiency.
  • MGR: eliminate almost all overhead from commit a8cc13f unless assistive software is in use.
  • MGR: One more efficiency tweak to previous commit.




Available installers:

Windows 7.4.0
- boinc_7.4.0_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.4.0_windows_x86_64.exe

6518) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to make Boinc ignore mouse input for idling purposes (Message 54428)
Posted 11 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I already unchecked "While computer is in use" for that, and as far as i know it works by detecting mouse or keyboard usage therefore suspending boinc works.

"While computer is in use", when checked, means that BOINC does always allow the science applications to do calculations, even when you use the computer. Unchecking it will make BOINC only run the science applications when the computer is idle, aka no mouse movements and no keyboard hits.
6519) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to make Boinc ignore mouse input for idling purposes (Message 54426)
Posted 11 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc sill pauses if i move or click the mouse.

But that's not idling. The method I gave stops the computer --and thus BOINC-- from waking up when you move the mouse. It doesn't stop BOINC from doing computations when you move the mouse.

If you want BOINC to continue running when you use the computer, set Suspend work while computer is in use? to No in your preferences. Or check "While computer is in use" in the local advanced preferences (Tools->computing preferences->processor usage)
6520) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to make Boinc ignore mouse input for idling purposes (Message 54423)
Posted 11 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC by itself can't be set to ignore specific devices from waking up the computer, but this can be done through your operating system.

E.g. in Windows (7, 8 and 8.1), Start->type "Device manager" (without quotes) in the Search box->from the list choose Device Manager->click to open Mice and other pointing devices->right-click on your mouse by name (e.g. Logitech USB cordless mouse)->Properties->Power Management tab->Uncheck "Allow this device to wake the computer"->OK.

On some mice it may be necessary to manually disable the mouse (turn it off with a switch), as it can be so sensitive that a truck driving by in the street will have your mouse go off. (I've got such a mouse, it's a laser mouse instead of an optical one, and I have to switch it off through the switch underneath the mouse, as else it'll wake my computer at the weirdest of times. ;-))
6521) Message boards : Projects : Spam on Cas@Home (Message 54415)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, that was one of the bits of advice I gave along with others in my mail to David. He may have forwarded that as advice, and until they have gotten rid of all the spam and put up some walls around their forums, it's probably for the best as well. Forums aren't of use when overrun by spammers.
6522) Message boards : GPUs : Incorrect detection of AMD Radeon R9 290 (Message 54412)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is the incorrect detection only a BOINC client issue? Or does it also require a server-side update for a correct detection?
Are there plans that BOINC will detect and use this GPU anytime in the future?

The problem here is that your GPU no longer supports CAL, the old ATI method of doing calculations on the GPU. AMD has deprecated support for this on the newer videocards, so you don't show the line that shows the CAL detection (needed for for instance Primegrid).

BOINC uses the CAL detection method for detecting what kind of GPU it is, since this information is not in the OpenCL drivers. So you can understand that it has trouble properly detecting the GPU when all you have is the OpenCL driver. And thus, the driver version that you see is only OpenCL. It isn't CAL, so that makes it the correct driver version. BOINC does read that value directly from the OpenCL driver, so if you still think that's wrong, complain at AMD.

And lastly, the size of the memory. Well that may be a bug that I can forward to development, but for that I need the BOINC version you're using.
6523) Message boards : Projects : Spam on Cas@Home (Message 54406)
Posted 9 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Private Message Lihaibo or Wenjing Wu?

PS: I emailed David about it as well, maybe that he can advise the people there on how to set up defenses against spammers.
6524) Message boards : Questions and problems : when update the BOINC software,please DONOT set up screen saver. (Message 54399)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, as it's how the Mac, or more like how OS X does things.
6525) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when CPU usage is high (Message 54398)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't feel stupid... you wouldn't want to know the amount of times I've been in that situation and was already writing up a report to the alpha email list. Only to find it was my own oversight. :-)
6526) Message boards : Questions and problems : when update the BOINC software,please DONOT set up screen saver. (Message 54388)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know what you showed used to be the options, but ...

Uhm, that's the option for the Mac, not for Windows. :)
6527) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks do not begin at boot unless boincmgr starts up (Message 54387)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, it will show up in Windows Task Manager.
6528) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when CPU usage is high (Message 54381)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Activity is set to "Run based on preferences", and not "Run always". Or you get exactly the problem you're seeing.

6529) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks do not begin at boot unless boincmgr starts up (Message 54379)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager starts the BOINC client if it isn't running. The BOINC client is the application that runs all the science applications and thus the work.
You can manually start the BOINC client, or set that to do so at Windows login.

You can do so by making a shortcut on the desktop, add into it
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach_console
That's including the quotes, as there is a space in the path, the --detach_console attribute is there to auto-close the command line window. You can then add that shortcut into your Startup folder, if necessary, so Windows starts it at login.

The other option is to install BOINC as a service, then it runs whenever the computer starts up and even when no one has logged in yet. Caveat here is that due to Windows running drivers in a different session than the BOINC limited user account does, BOINC won't be able to detect any GPUs if run as a service.
6530) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC not using GTX 780 Ti (Message 54376)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No bother, Spencer. Exactly your questions are what these forums are here for. :)
6531) Message boards : Projects : ATLAS (Message 54374)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from David:
It's a project that will be used by CERN (the ATLAS project, i.e. one of the Higg Boson finders). It's being developed by someone from IHEP in China.
6532) Message boards : Projects : ATLAS (Message 54369)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looking at the people already signed on, aside from the influx of spammers that every BOINC project seems to be dealing with these days, I see one name which shows this is a genuine project: User 34.

This may be the result of the 2011 BOINC sales pitch.
6533) Message boards : Questions and problems : when update the BOINC software,please DONOT set up screen saver. (Message 54368)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No.

You're confusing it with "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC" which is a separate option. "Use BOINC Screensaver" is just another option:


Mind:
The options of "Use Screensaver" and "Allow all users" are only checked by default on a clean installation, or left there if the user chose them on a previous installation (their values are written to Windows registry, which the installer checks prior to getting to this screen). The "Service Install" option isn't enabled by default. I only have that option checked in the above screen shot, for FAQ purposes on how to install as a service.
6534) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC not using GTX 780 Ti (Message 54366)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
or 'Protected Application Execution' mode listed as an option during installation.

It hasn't been that since the recommended release of BOINC 7.0, it's been Service Install since that time. Best forget the old style wording and learn to use the new phrases. :-)
6535) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC not using GTX 780 Ti (Message 54365)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
6/6/2014 6:36:33 PM | | Running as a daemon

This being your problem. You installed BOINC as a service, and by doing so, BOINC won't be able to detect any GPUs to work with.

Can be fixed by uninstalling BOINC, then reinstalling it, then third screen in the installer clicking Advanced, next screen unchecking "Service Install" and then continuing the installation.



When you install BOINC as a service, it will run in a different session than the videocard drivers do, thereby making it impossible for BOINC to detect the GPU. This isn't something that BOINC can fix, by the way.
6536) Message boards : GPUs : No PrimeGrid work units received (Message 54346)
Posted 6 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, assuming it does support OpenCL, what would be the next step?

It does support OpenCL, but only OpenCL 1.0 and only ever in beta stages. You need a pretty old driver for it as well, as later versions dropped support for the old cards.

So start at http://www.hal6000.com/seti/boinc_ati_gpu_cheat_sheet.htm and try 12.1 first. If no support already, you'll either have to go look online if someone has even older drivers, or better just give up. The problem with the older cards is that they also use a different workgroup size needed for the science application to work correctly.

Although Seti does have an application that should work with these older cards, you may also wonder if it's worth the spent electrons. Primegrid does not have support for the older cards, as far as I know. But you best ask on their forums if any of the OpenCL apps support OpenCL 1.0 GPUs.
6537) Message boards : Projects : drug discovery at home (Message 54319)
Posted 2 Jun 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let him check admin: add "delete_spammers.php": script to help delete spam profiles and web: lets project admins delete posts and threads. It's what we use here on the forums. David runs the script once every so and so (normally when I ask him to), while I'm now deleting the spam threads after we kicked the spammers.
6538) Message boards : Projects : drug discovery at home (Message 54304)
Posted 29 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, and what you see there is my own backup of everything. That's why the 'news' on the front page is that of mine. Whatever news had come thereafter got lost together with all of the forums and back-end due to a suspected hacker.
6539) Message boards : Projects : drug discovery at home (Message 54302)
Posted 29 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not working for that project anymore, or in any way affiliated with it any longer. If you want to let Andrey know, you can do so through av at drugdiscoveryathome dot com
6540) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 54300)
Posted 29 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
One.
6541) Message boards : Projects : E.on2-offline? (Message 54269)
Posted 27 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Detaching from the project should fix that.
6542) Message boards : Projects : E.on2-offline? (Message 54266)
Posted 26 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's been shut down. No need to try to reach them in any way.
graeme wrote: After many years, we are shutting down the EON project. It was very productive, at times, and we are appreciative of all contributions -- thank you!
6543) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC ignores CPU limits (Message 54239)
Posted 22 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It will only ignore it when you tell it to, by running activity settings 'always'. When activity is set to 'run based on preferences' and preferences are set to only run at limits, Boinc will follow that.

Now, seeing how you gave no information on Boinc version, what you see, where, etc. I will assume you came here only to rant, not to actually try to get help.
6544) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Update to 7.2.42 Failed Miserablely and Left me Without Boinc. (Windows-XP) (Message 54230)
Posted 22 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Follow Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name in the BOINC FAQs.
6545) Message boards : GPUs : Cuda initialisation failed after replacing nVidia card (Message 54220)
Posted 21 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind posting your:
- BOINC start up messages? The first 30 lines or so will do.
- Operating system?
- BOINC version?

Did you uninstall the previous videocard? Did you uninstall the previous drivers?
Which Quadro drivers did you install, specifically? I ask this as only the Quadro ODE Graphics Driver supports CUDA.
6546) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54202)
Posted 20 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please keep your feet off our chairs, tables, sofas and other furniture. Where do you think you are, home?
6547) Message boards : Questions and problems : Do the projects communicate my info/config directly between each other? (Message 54193)
Posted 20 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Preferences are not synched across projects

The project preferences aren't no, but the computing preferences are. That's also why, in their URL, they're called global preferences.

e.g. https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/prefs.php?subset=global

The trick to sync them though is called activity. Only your active projects will see the RPC that syncs these preferences set at one project when BOINC communicates with the other project server(s).

Of course, this depends on the computer being set to the same venue across all projects. A project at NNT will not necessarily sync their global preferences, unless you specifically Update the project.

So, you set the preferences at project A.
Next you update BOINC on project A, so BOINC has these latest preferences in.
Any of the other projects BOINC now contacts will automatically receive the new preferences.
6548) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Wishlist for Mac (Message 54183)
Posted 19 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
1.) Possibility to choose a folder where the data is stored on the HD.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive

2.) Possibility to set computing NOT allowed when:
- another user is logged in (maybe this option is included, when you uncheck Computing allowed “While computer is in use”, but i don’t think so)

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Disabling_auto-launch_of_BOINC_Manager
- every day from …

Already checked BOINC Manager Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences?

3.) Possibility to store all done work on the HD when you shut down Boinc (and not just close the window).

Project science applications checkpoint, which saves intermittent data done to disk. When you exit BOINC completely, any data done between the shut down and the last checkpoint written to disk will go lost. Not much that can be done about that, it's not up to BOINC to dictate when applications should write their data to disk. Some project applications don't checkpoint at all. The value for "Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every X seconds" is a suggested value, the application does not need to follow it. Default value is 60 seconds, maximum value is 999 seconds.
6549) Message boards : Questions and problems : How much CPU % do you allow your BOINC app to use? (Message 54136)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the space heating is provided by gas, that will be cheaper.

Are you trying to tell that gas is so much cheaper where you are? Or that it is cheaper for a gas stoked heater to heat a room than it is for a high-output, thus electricity slurping electro-heater?

I am asking, as most of my yearly energy bill goes to gas, which at 65 eurocents a cubic meter is probably more expensive than the electricity running at 21.18 cents per KWh for night time usage and 22.87 cents per KWh for day time usage. But then, how does one compare kilowatt-hours with cubic meters? :-)
(Prices are now including tax and such)
6550) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54116)
Posted 14 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.19 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.18 -> 7.3.19

  • WINBUILD: Point to the correct BOINCCAS binary for the CAProjectInitFile custom action.
  • client: fix to commit 6b1a073 (don't try to run OpenCL jobs on non-OpenCL GPUs)
    • For unknown reasons, testing opencl_device_ids works only for debug builds, so add a new array bool have_opencls() to COPROC struct in which we record which devices are openCL-capable before we clear the ati_opencls and nvidia_opencls vectors.




Available installers:


Windows 7.3.19
- boinc_7.3.19_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.19_windows_x86_64.exe

6551) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 54102)
Posted 13 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jonathan Miller, CPDN administrator wrote:
Hi,

We are having a problem with the domain name http://climateprediction.net.
It was renewed at the weekend, but the registrar seems to have broken something and the name is not propagating correctly through the DNS system.

We have reached the point where the domain http://climateprediction.net has lapsed in the majority of ISP's name servers, so the main website is not visible.

We have contacted the registrar, but they have taken no action so far.

I will update you as we find out more.
6552) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54101)
Posted 13 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Macintosh 7.3.18
- boinc_7.3.18_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.3.18_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.3.18_i686-apple-darwin.zip
6553) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 54091)
Posted 13 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.18 available for testing for Windows and Linux.
(Mac to follow later in the morning)

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.15 -> 7.3.18

  • lib: add code to write GPU exclusions in CC_CONFIG XML
  • client: keep track of job's peak WSS, swap size, and disk usage; send to server.
    • Also fixed a bug where, if a job was aborted while not running, its final CPU and elapsed time weren't copied from ACTIVE_TASK to RESULT, hence not sent to scheduler.
  • client: tweaks to last commit.
  • MGR: Fixes to Diagnostics dialog:
    • Cosmetic fixes for Windows.
    • Default button restores default values in dialog but does not write cc_config file or close the dialog.
  • Cosmetic tweak for Windows and Linux when pressing Diagnostics dialog's Default button.
  • MGR: Fix compiler warning.
  • MGR: Fix a potential memory leak in new Diagnostics dialog.
  • MGR: message tweak.
  • client: Remove unneeded defines (They are included in the VS 2010 Windows SDK).
  • client: Remove a GetProcAddress() call. Call GetNativeSystemInfo() directly.
  • MGR: Move Diagnostic Flags dialog from Tools menus to Advanced Menu, add keyboard shortcut control-shift-D to both Advanced View and Simple View.
  • MGR: Change keyboard shortcut for Diagnostic Flags dialog from control-shift-D to control-shift-F for both Advanced and Simple Views, because control-shift-D was already in use to select the Disks tab in Advanced View.
  • WINBUILD: Update BOINCCAS project files to VS 2010.
  • WINBUILD: Remove old 5.x to 6.x migration custom actions.
  • WINBUILD: We no longer support Windows 95, merge the Win95 BOINCCAS code into the main BOINCCAS DLL.
  • WINBUILD: Create CARestorePermissionBOINCData which will reset the permissions on the data directory on uninstall.
    This is needed when the service install was selected and we will be removing the users and groups we created on install.
  • Mac installer: fix a potential bug.
  • MGR: Remove our list control zebra striping in favor of the wxWidgets version. It bases the background color on the selected theme.
  • MGR: Fix the use of validators in our implementation of Wizards.
  • fix Win compile warning.
  • WINBUILD: Add custom actions to revoke all rights granted to BOINC based accounts that were granted during a service based install.
  • MGR: Fix some errors in Attach Wizard.
  • MGR: Fix Manager hang on Mac when canceling out of Attach Wizard "Communicating with project / account manager" pages.
  • MGR: Streamline an earlier commit and make it standard for all platforms.
  • MGR: Re-enable cancel confirmation dialog in the wizard.
  • MGR: Remove validator resets when cancel is pressed, apparently it is no longer needed.
  • SCR: Fix Mac screen saver to dismiss on mouse move On OS 10.8 and OS 10.9.
  • WINBUILD: Remove unneeded custom actions.
  • WINBUILD: Add missing RevokeBOINCUsersRights custom action.
  • MGR: Add comments about know bugs in wxCocoa 3.0.0.
  • WINBUILD: Add custom actions to remove the locally created users and groups when uninstalling a service install.
  • client: Update to OpenSSL 1.0.1g on Macintosh.
  • API: message tweak.
  • client: fix bug in parsing <no_rsc> from account managers.
    • Also Manager message tweak.
  • MGR: keep dialog titles consistent (matches title change in previous commit)
  • client: fix bug involving small image files and UMTS proxies.

    • Context:
    1) Some clients are behing proxies that compress image files.
    2) We added a preference dont_verify_images that disables size/MD5 verification of image files, if they're nonempty.
    3) If a download finishes, the file is incomplete, and we read less than 5 KB, we assume that what we read was a proxy error message, and we truncate it from the file.
    • Bug: if a project has a small image file, and a UMTS proxy compresses it to < 5 KB, 3) will truncate it to zero, and 2) will flag it as an error, and the job will fail.
    • Fix: don't do 3) if it's an image file and dont_verify_images is set.
  • client: detect NVIDIA driver version on Linux; from Matt Harvey.
  • client: don't include GPUs that lack OpenCL/Cal/CUDA when main GPU has it.

    E.g.: if the "best" AMD GPU can do OpenCL, don't include AMD GPUs that can't, even if use_all_gpus is set. Otherwise lots of jobs will error out.
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.
  • client: Fix build break on Windows.
  • Add Malay to language list.
  • client: keep track of a job's network usage, if it reports it.

    If a job reports its network usage (via boinc_network_usage()), keep track of this across episodes of the job, and report it to the server (some projects may want to give credit for network usage).
  • COPROCS: Update the NVAPI library to r334.
  • boinccmd: add --get_project_urls command to list project URLs, one per line.
    • A script that wants to do some operation - say, update - on all projects can call this, parse the result, then do the operation on each project.
  • client: suppress libcurl inflation of .tgz files.
    • The client tells libcurl not to inflate .gz files; include .tgz also.
  • API: return CL_INVALID_DEVICE from boinc_get_opencl_ids() if init_data.xml passes a value for gpu_opencl_dev_index which does not correspond to an OpenCL capable device.
  • API: fix to previous commit.
  • client: fix compiler warning on Mac introduced by commit 450f680.
  • client: track and report network, disk, and memory usage.
    • store final network usage in RESULT; write/parse in state file.
    • final disk and memory usage weren't being written to state file; do so.
    • add --network_usage option to example app, to test this stuff.
  • client: code shuffle; move GPU scheduling code to new file.
  • add coproc_sched.cpp to project file.
  • BOINC can now also be compiled using MinGW 32 and 64 bit.
  • client: don't try to run OpenCL jobs on non-OpenCL GPUs.

    • Suppose
    - the host has 2 GPUs of same vendor; A is OpenCL capable, B isn't.
    - the volunteer sets "use_all_gpus" config flag.
    Then the client will try to run OpenCL jobs on B. Depending on how the app is written, it may run on B and fail, or run on A and overload A.
    • Solution: when assigning GPUs to OpenCL jobs, check that the GPU instance is OpenCL capable.
    • Note: this problem would go away if we treated each GPU as a separate resource.
  • API/client: let apps say that fraction done is precise
    • Currently the duration estimate for a task is a combination of
    - a static estimate, based on wu.rsc_fpops_est and the estimated FLOPS.
    - a dynamic estimate, based on fraction done (FD) and elapsed time.
    The weighting of the dynamic estimate is FD^2; the assumption is that fraction done is imprecise and improves toward the end of a task.
    This isn't ideal for apps that can supply accurate FD.
    • Solution: add a new API function boinc_fraction_done_exact(). This notifies the client that the FD is accurate, and that it should use only the dynamic estimate.
    • (New clients will do this; old clients will use the FD as the currently do).
  • client/server: change implementation of "exact fraction done".
    • The last commit did this using a new API call. But this would require rebuilding apps any time you want to change it; too much work.
    So instead make it an attribute of apps,which you can set via the admin web interface.
    • Corresponding changes to client.
  • Mac: add new source files coproc_sched.cpp, coproc_sched.h to Xcode project
  • client: let app_config.xml specify fraction_done_exact for apps.
  • client: if acct mgr RPC gets HTTP error, don't create a notice. Such an error typically means the acct mgr server is down.
  • MGR: Make the HTML page we inject notices into a valid HTML page.
  • MGR: Do not skip an HTML link clicked event that we are also trying to veto.
  • client & MGR: On Windows, handle expansion of environment variables in the registry value that stores DATADIR.
  • WINSETUP: Remove old migration (5.x->6.x) custom actions, they are not needed anymore.
  • client: begin fixing redraw bug on Windows when Options dialog is moved partly off screen and back on.
    • Controls inside a wxStaticBox don't refresh properly on Windows unless they are a child of the wxStaticBox.
  • WINBUILD: Update custom actions for the Windows Installer.
  • WINBUILD: Remove references to boinccas95.dll, all custom actions now exist in boinccas.dll
  • WINBUILD: Add the revoke custom actions as well as the delete groups (boinc_admins, boinc_users, boinc_projects) and delete users (boinc_master, boinc_project) custom actions.
  • WINBUILD: Add new custom actions to the uninstall execution process.
  • WINBUILD: Persist the BOINC Master and BOINC Project usernames across installs/uninstalls.
  • WINBUILD: Properly move the BOINC Master and BOINC Project account information back into the UI installer process.
  • WINBUILD: Restore SETUP registry values before uninstall.
  • client/lib: change CONFIG to CC_CONFIG, config to cc_config.
    Eliminates ambiguity of "config" global var, which is used in server code. This confuses IDEs that are looking at all the code at once.
  • MGR: Finish fixing redraw bug on Windows when Options dialog or Computing Preferences dialog is moved partly off screen and back on.
    • Controls inside a wxStaticBox don't refresh properly on Windows unless they are a child of the wxStaticBox.
  • WINBUILD: Do we need more permissions for the LSA database to remove groups from user rights assignment?
  • WINBUILD: Make CreateBOINCAccounts work even when the BOINC Master property and BOINC Project property are already filled in.
    • Design change to make the uninstall stuff work.
  • WINBUILD: When revoking user rights, make sure we are really revoking them.
  • WINBUILD: Make sure we reset the permissions on the data directory if we remove the service accounts.
  • MGR: rename a struct member named "config" to avoid confusion.
  • client: fix a few compile warnings.
  • MGR: Work around a wxWidgets 3.0 bug on Windows which fails to center the updated label text in the Notices tab.
  • MGR: Don't automatically switch to Tasks tab when user selects "Run CPU Benchmarks" from the Advanced menu.
  • MGR: Widen some text edit fields in Computing Preferences dialog to accommodate larger fonts.
  • MGR: Extend the logic of the last commit to center the updated label text in the Notices tab even when the Notices page is the currently visible one (i.e., when the Notices tab is selected).




Available installers:


Windows 7.3.18
- boinc_7.3.18_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.18_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.3.18
- boinc_7.3.18_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.3.18_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

6554) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 54086)
Posted 12 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy Tue... hang on a minute. What's going on.

You said Seti Down five times in front of a broken mirror....
6555) Message boards : The Lounge : Absentee project admins (Message 54060)
Posted 11 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Until a couple of weeks ago, the attack against spam was pretty difficult, one could only hide the thread and banish the author. At least now the threads can also be deleted, although that still requires quite a bit of work, as I found out here. So room for improvement and an easier, faster UI.

The amount of spam is on the rise though. The past week I had to come in action to banish 7 spammers, which between them left over 30 threads behind. I still hide them before deleting them, so we have proof in email that I hide spam threads, not your threads. :-)

Aside from that, we have the automated spammer deletion script, which deletes user accounts with an URL or with a profile but no posts in the forums. This one is slightly buggy, I saw, so also room for improvement. But still, it's easier than having to crawl through the accounts list by hand and deleting individuals from the database. I have given up on adding all that crap to the Trac database, as it was becoming a day job and I am not much available off late.

So any ideas you have, throw them down here. All to make life as a spammer hunter/banisher easier. :)
6556) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS Mavericks - Network Account - BOINC ownership error 1200 (Message 54059)
Posted 11 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC only works with local accounts, not with network accounts. There's no way around that.
6557) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not connect either to projects or to account managers (Message 54053)
Posted 11 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And Windows, I suppose?
Check in Windows Event Viewer if there is anything in there saying something about the crash.
Also check in the stderrdae.txt and stderrgui.txt files in the BOINC Data directory (default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\, a hidden directory, so enter it into Windows Explorer and hit Enter) for any clues.
6558) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removal of inactive/spammer accounts. (Message 54029)
Posted 9 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For anyone wondering about the new title that I sprout, it's so I have access to the delete thread option, so I can actually delete spammer's threads now. Not much else I can do with it. Don't fret, I haven't secretly taken over these forums. :-)
6559) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac BoinManager 7.2.42 install Problem (Message 54027)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager not being able to connect to the client is usually because of:
- permission problems.
- a firewall that doesn't allow the BOINC binary and the BOINCMGR binary to communicate with each other on TCP port 31416.
- another anti-malware or anti-virus program that doesn't allow the above.
- the BOINC client not running. Check with the activity monitor if it is.
6560) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and Cisco AnyConnect interference - cannot get project (Message 54024)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC uses whichever internet connection is set as default in the operating system. If that is the VPN connection, it'll use the VPN connection. So check in Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network and Sharing Center what your internet connections are set to, and whether the VPN connection is the first or second connection. If the first, chances are high it's the default connection.
6561) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac BoinManager 7.2.42 install Problem (Message 54023)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you have a cc_config.xml file before? If you didn't, it's nothing to worry about. BOINC doesn't come with a core client configuration file as that's normally used for debugging and giving extra commands to the client. BOINC runs perfectly fine without one.
6562) Message boards : BOINC client : Centos 6.5 boinc client doesn't download work? (Message 54005)
Posted 7 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
WCG requires Port 443 (https) to be open.
6563) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 53981)
Posted 6 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I haven't run BOINC in well over two weeks, all my PC time goes up on TESO.
6564) Message boards : Questions and problems : ProgramData restore after reload (Message 53947)
Posted 3 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you? Well yes. Just make sure you put the data directory back first, then install BOINC and if you put the data directory in another place than the default one (C:\Programdata\BOINC), point the installer there.

Should you? That depends on how many projects you had attached and how long ago you made the backup. Although any work in the backup is of course easily aborted.
6565) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Update project list in Boinc Manager (Message 53943)
Posted 3 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
with the next stable release

This isn't a thing based on a new client, the projects list can be adjusted at any time and read by most modern clients. So I'll fire an email in the direction of the developers, asking them to remove the projects. Once that's done, any next time you restart the client, it'll ping the BOINC website and get the latest newest bestest list in.
6566) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found - Ubuntu 14.04 (Message 53895)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
In Linux it can take quite a while before the X-drivers are fully loaded, which is why when you restart BOINC at a later time, the chances are high that the GPU is found.
6567) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Suddenly, all my projects are gone. (Message 53871)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You mean that BOINC Manager is just empty? In that case start by checking that the BOINC client is actually running.
6568) Message boards : Questions and problems : Benchmarks (Message 53870)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Every 5 days, since the last benchmark. Newer clients (7.3) do every 5 days, but only after a client restart. If no restart, no benchmarks.
6569) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with multiple GPUs (Message 53818)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your GPUs are what versions?
When the previous PSU died, did it go with a bang and magic smoke? Or did it go quietly, one day you turned the computer off, the next day it wouldn't restart?

If with a bang, your motherboard may have taken a hit.
If any of the present GPUs were attached to it at the time, they may have taken a hit.
The PSU itself may be having a problem. If still under warranty, I would go back with it and have it replaced, just to be sure.
6570) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with multiple GPUs (Message 53815)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The computer rebooting points to me in either of two, maybe three directions:
1. Unstable Windows.
2. Underpowered Power Supply Unit.
3. Broken motherboard.

So start off with Windows Event viewer and see what's in there, any warnings, any explanation? Perhaps some BSODs that you don't see due to having set Windows to reboot immediately upon getting to a BSOD. You can use Blue Screen View to quickly show the latest BSODs.

What brand and model PSU do you have? Can it output the amount of required Volts to power two or three GPUs? Can you try with a spare PSU?

The last thing is difficult to test, but shouldn't be dismissed. Micro-fractures in the connections on the motherboard can be attributed to what you see. Normal under normal circumstances, but rebooting as soon as you put some load onto it.
6571) Message boards : Questions and problems : "BOINC client has stopped working" (Message 53803)
Posted 26 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind giving some more information, please, such as which BOINC version, which Windows version, which project(s) you added, which project was running when you had the error? (The latter info can be found in the stdoutdae.txt file in the BOINC Data directory, which may be found under C:\Programdata\BOINC\, if you didn't change its path and you're using at least Windows Vista or above. The directory is hidden, so just fill in the path in Windows Explorer and hit Enter).
While there, is there any additional information in stderrdae.txt?

The Windows error 0xc0000005 points normally to an access violation, which can be attributed to trying to use memory that isn't there. So can you also please tell us what kind of machine this is on, brand and model processor, amount of memory, amount of disk space, how hot it gets when running BOINC, when the last time was any of you cleaned the dust bunnies out of that machine, etc.
6572) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to prevent EinsteinatHome from running at startup (Message 53795)
Posted 25 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm using WinPatrol to set some programs to start up delayed. There's no option for this in Windows or BOINC. The only thing you can set in BOINC is whether you want to start BOINC Manager at Windows start up, or not.

Anyway, the basic version of WinPatrol is free: http://www.winpatrol.com/
6573) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox messes with my WiFi (Message 53793)
Posted 25 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes. And for the next BOINC versions, just take the version without VBox included.
6574) Message boards : GPUs : No OpenCL and No usable GPUs found - Nvidia+Ubuntu (Message 53788)
Posted 24 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind pointing to the thread on the Nvidia forums?
Or else, point out what the exact change is, where the OpenCL libraries are now found after installation of the drivers? That might help the developers.
6575) Message boards : Questions and problems : Fortran run time error (Message 53781)
Posted 23 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please report this at the Climate Prediction forums, as it is their application that errs with the Fortran Error. Their application is programmed in that language, BOINC is programmed in C and C++.
6576) Message boards : GPUs : Where is the work really being done? (Message 53745)
Posted 22 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And your question is what, exactly?
If you feel that work on a project science application shouldn't have run to completion or is otherwise wrong, you really have to tell the project about this. BOINC is only the managing program, it doesn't do any of the calculations.
6577) Message boards : Questions and problems : kindle fire version doesn't work on original model (Message 53734)
Posted 21 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So little information. Too little.
So please, pass by on When requesting help on these forums to find what we may require as basic minimum information.

In this case:
- An explanation of what 'the first kindle fire' is, would be nice.(*)
- which version of Android it runs. I am assuming it does, doesn't it? (*)
- the client doesn't work. Event log? Client version number? Gotten BOINC from where?
- not communicate with the server. Server from where? Which project did you add?
- never computes. Because of why not? Event Log? Preferences settings?

(*) E.g. I am not expecting that you know what the acronym FCPGA stands for. But if I were to go use it in an explanation here, I would tell that it stands for Flip Chip Pin Grid Array, and that that is a type of processor where the side that heats up is pointed away from the motherboard. So always give an explanation on what your device is/does. We don't all know what is all out there in the world. And we certainly don't have to go look it up on the internet.
6578) Message boards : GPUs : GPUs in LinuxMint - Cinnamon not seen by Collatz project (Message 53730)
Posted 20 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The package manager of your distro is maintained by third parties. There is no way that Berkeley, the developers of BOINC or anyone else, but for the maintainer of your distro's package manager can add versions of BOINC. You'll have to ask him or them.
6579) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 screensaver continually flashes "off" and "on" without action from me (Message 53724)
Posted 19 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not you or your system, it's a problem with the BOINC screen saver. It's known, the developers are looking into it. It happens on all versions of BOINC from 7.2.34 onwards, it doesn't happen with the screen saver in 7.2.33 and before.

So, until it's fixed, your options are to not use the BOINC screen saver, or if you strongly must, to return to 7.2.33, download links available in post 51551 in the Change Log thread.
6580) Message boards : Questions and problems : gpu disappeared after upgrading to nvidia driver release 335.23 (Message 53723)
Posted 19 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whenever the GPU detection worked before you updated drivers, and doesn't anymore after you updated drivers, check the drivers. Or wait for BOINC to start until the drivers have fully loaded.

That's to say, you did update the drivers to ones from the Nvidia website, not to ones in Windows? As these latter lack the necessary components for CUDA and OpenCL detection. Only the drivers from the GPU manufacturer have these components included.
6581) Message boards : Questions and problems : CVE-2014-0160 Heartbleed (Message 53719)
Posted 19 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your version of BOINC has other trouble, it being responsible for inability to reach certain projects, and the crashing of the newest CPDN models. So you better update to 7.2.42

That said, all of the presently available BOINC versions make use of OpenSSL 1.0.1f or earlier, and thus would be susceptible to the HeartBleed bug. But in order for the exploit to be used, the project server would have to be compromised. All project administrators should by now have heard about the problem and have updated OpenSSL on their servers.

Any next BOINC version will have the updated OpenSSL.
6582) Message boards : Web interfaces : Removal of inactive/spammer accounts. (Message 53718)
Posted 19 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since there has been a new influx of spammers whose only goal it is to make an account with spam profile, we have decided to remove all accounts that were just made to sport an URL of some kind or a profile, without the user posting on the forums.

We will be doing this on a regular basis from now on. If that means that some of you, who just made an account here for future use, have lost their account as well, then we're sorry. It couldn't be helped. But as the spammers show us, a new account with the same name is easily made.

For the project administrators who think this is a splendid idea, and who would want to do the same thing, David put the script into Git. It is available for download. Our other new feature of administrators being able to completely delete spammer's posts from their forums, is also available for download.
6583) Message boards : Questions and problems : Removal of inactive/spammer accounts. (Message 53717)
Posted 19 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since there has been a new influx of spammers whose only goal it is to make an account with spam profile, we have decided to remove all accounts that were just made to sport an URL of some kind or a profile, without the user posting on the forums.

We will be doing this on a regular basis from now on. If that means that some of you, who just made an account here for future use, have lost their account as well, then we're sorry. It couldn't be helped. But as the spammers show us, a new account with the same name is easily made.

For the project administrators who think this is a splendid idea, and who would want to do the same thing, David put the script into Git. It is available for download. Our other new feature of administrators being able to completely delete spammer's posts from their forums, is also available for download.
6584) Message boards : GPUs : Misassignement of open-cl tasks to gpu's (Message 53711)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had seen that already, but dismissed it as Einstein is using an older back-end version for their forums and task lists. It may be a misread by their science application, an artifact of sorts. But best ask them.

I've scoured the log and can only see that the Nvidia OpenCL task runs on the Nvidia GPU, while the AMD OpenCL task runs on the AMD. No switching between them, nor both switching to the same piece of hardware. That I can see from the log, that is.

Start to finish I see:
18.04.2014 19:44:21 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0; 1.000000 pending for h1_0993.20_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.4Hz_1319_0
18.04.2014 19:44:21 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for h1_0993.30_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.5Hz_1331_1
18.04.2014 19:44:21 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for h1_0993.20_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.4Hz_1319_0
18.04.2014 19:44:21 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for h1_0993.30_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.5Hz_1331_1

...

18.04.2014 21:22:12 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0; 1.000000 pending for h1_0993.20_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.4Hz_1319_0
18.04.2014 21:22:12 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for h1_0993.30_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.5Hz_1331_1
18.04.2014 21:22:12 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for h1_0993.20_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.4Hz_1319_0
18.04.2014 21:22:12 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for h1_0993.30_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.5Hz_1331_1

However, please point out the following at Einstein. When you go further down in the log, the task on the Nvidia card seems to change without warning.
Going from
18.04.2014 21:22:12 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0; 1.000000 pending for h1_0993.20_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.4Hz_1319_0
18.04.2014 21:22:12 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for h1_0993.20_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.4Hz_1319_0
to
18.04.2014 21:25:25 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0; 1.000000 pending for h1_0993.25_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.45Hz_1329_0
18.04.2014 21:25:25 | Einstein@Home | [coproc] NVIDIA instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for h1_0993.25_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_993.45Hz_1329_0

That's the only weird thing I can find in your log. It doesn't go far enough to see which task eventually uploads. Only the AMD task shows.

Now, here's the clincher: it shouldn't matter what hardware the tasks run on, they're both OpenCL and the OpenCL applications at Einstein are exactly the same ones, whether you run them on the Nvidia, AMD or Intel GPU.
6585) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to stop BOINC Manager at startup for all accounts (Message 53705)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any new accounts created after BOINC was installed will not start BOINC Manager, as far as I know, unless you reinstall BOINC. But thinking about that, did you uncheck the "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC" in the installer? As enabling that sets the startup setting for BOINC Manager for all those accounts.
6586) Message boards : Server programs : Starting Debian Issue in Win7 (Message 53701)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Activate your VT-x/AMD-V acceleration in your BIOS settings

Before confusion arises, the Intel i5-2500K only has VT-x, which should be enabled in the BIOS.
6587) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to stop BOINC Manager at startup for all accounts (Message 53700)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, it can be done by logging in to the accounts one by one and telling BOINC Manager not to start at login. Or maybe that you can edit the DisableAutoStart key in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager to go from 0 to 1 and that that will do it.
6588) Message boards : GPUs : Misassignement of open-cl tasks to gpu's (Message 53699)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, the numbering. This is correct. In theory, you will be able to insert 64 Nvidia GPUs, 64 AMD GPUs and 64 Intel GPUs into your computer and have them all have a reasonably unique number. Where you may see just GPU 0, GPU 1, GPU 2 etc. you're not seeing what it says in front of that:
CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0
OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0
OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0

This is also easy when you use the various exclusion/ignore flags in cc_config.xml
<ignore_intel_dev/>, <ignore_nvidia_dev/> and <ignore_ati_dev/> will use that number.
<exclude_gpu/> will require that you point out the brand of GPU and which number.

Now then, Nvidia OpenCL work running on the AMD GPU. It's difficult to see this from just the screen grabs you made as it doesn't show what is happening in the client. It can just as well be that one AMD OpenCL task runs on the built-in GPU and that the Nvidia OpenCL task has defaulted back to the CPU. The image of GPU-Z doesn't show that.

But BOINC has an easy thing for that, it can show which task runs on what hardware, using the <cpu_sched_debug> and <coproc_debug> flags in cc_config.xml
If you update that host to 7.3.15, you can use the built-in diagnostics window to easily set this flag. Best is also --aside from the default <task>, <sched_ops> and <file_xfer> flags-- to only set this <cpu_sched_debug> and the <coproc_debug> flag, so that when you post the output, we can still read it without too much trouble.

The output will be something alike this:
18/04/2014 11:12:16 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: periodic CPU scheduling
18/04/2014 11:12:16 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 06ap09ad.23882.179910.438086664207.12.124_1 (coprocessor job, FIFO) (prio -1.000000)
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched_debug] reserving 1.000000 of coproc ATI
18/04/2014 11:12:16 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list(): start
18/04/2014 11:12:16 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: 06ap09ad.23882.179910.438086664207.12.124_1 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
18/04/2014 11:12:16 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched_debug] 0: 06ap09ad.23882.179910.438086664207.12.124_1 (MD: no; UTS: yes)
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [coproc] ATI instance 0; 1.000000 pending for 06ap09ad.23882.179910.438086664207.12.124_1
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming 1.000000 instance for 06ap09ad.23882.179910.438086664207.12.124_1
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 06ap09ad.23882.179910.438086664207.12.124_1
18/04/2014 11:12:16 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] using 0.04 out of 2 CPUs
18/04/2014 11:12:16 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched_debug] 06ap09ad.23882.179910.438086664207.12.124_1 sched state 2 next 2 task state 1
18/04/2014 11:12:16 |  | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_run_list: end

And do that every minute.
6589) Message boards : Web interfaces : remove postings (Message 53684)
Posted 17 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=commit;h=7c9b5a6b569508d8da94b2c606250ff5ebe1c3cf
web: lets project admins delete posts and threads

Spam needs to be deleted, not hidden.
Add buttons for deleting posts and threads.
For now, these are available only to admins
(ADMIN, DEV, SCIENTIST privileges).
6590) Message boards : Web interfaces : remove postings (Message 53673)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
But hiding the posts and/or threads does already exactly that. It deletes the posts, or hides them from view of non-moderation personnel, and does so without altering the database much. It sets visibility from 1 to 0.

So in that case, I don't understand the request.
Yes, hidden posts stay visible for the moderation team. But they've got their own icon and all, as such
6591) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 7.2.7 (x64) not working after Ubuntu 13.10 upgrade from 13.04 (Message 53672)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What?! It's not like I haven't pulled guesses out of my a** but... license manager??? Do I want to know how you got from BOINC crashes to bad license manager? :)

Please, there's no need for profanity, or any such thing. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from speaking to me in such a way in the future. It's not like I am talking like that to you, am I? And I am not completely mesjogge as I looked at how ldd would give the "no such file or directory" response, and that's due to a missing or improper license manager file on the distro.

Here BOINC starts but crashes later on so missing libraries is not the problem this time.

Perhaps, but ldd being incapable of giving a response on what libraries boinc-client and boinc-manager need or load, is a problem with the license manager file. And since there's only one on the distro, it doesn't hurt to look at it.
6592) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on tmpfs/RAM-disk? (Message 53663)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you want to run BOINC from a USB stick, or do you only want the project files to run from the USB stick?

For if a total package, there are (older) packages out there that allow that, such as Dotsch/UX. Or just throw "BOINC thumbdrive" into a search engine and lots of info will come up.

But if you only want to run the project files from the thumbdrive, then you'll need to do a lot of hands-on work, as it isn't simply pointing the data directory to the thumbdrive and off you go. Well, it is, but under Linux that means editing a lot of (text) files and symlinks.

How much space BOINC picks is of course dependent on which projects you run and how much work you and the project allow BOINC to download. Some CPDN models still use 500MB and more storage space, Einstein will set you back a good gigabyte for the least amount of work, and Seti --with its 100 task limit-- will only use 32MB or 800MB, depending on what you can get and run (multibeam or astropulse).
6593) Message boards : Web interfaces : remove postings (Message 53661)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I did forward the request to David.
However, I personally do not think it's a good idea to have the option available for moderators, only for administrators. And then probably only from the HtmlOps screen.

And coming with a big fat blinking warning that posts/threads removed this way cannot come back after removal (without putting a backup back).
6594) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 7.2.7 (x64) not working after Ubuntu 13.10 upgrade from 13.04 (Message 53660)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't insist on anything.

Excuse me for the tone I set. It was before I learned that your Ubuntu doesn't have an more up-to-date version in repository.


el_gallo_azul@greg-W2600CR:~$ ldd boinc-client
ldd: ./boinc-client: No such file or directory
el_gallo_azul@greg-W2600CR:~$ ldd boinc-manager
ldd: ./boinc-manager: No such file or directory


I have never used
ldd
command before. The binary names are correct for the client and the manager.

That is a problem with the license manager file on your system. It may also be why the BOINC client refuses to run.

You may want to try ldd lmver in a terminal.
I'm sure one of the Linux guru's can walk you through the required steps to update to the correct LM version on your distro. Or check further which version it is, in what state it is and if corrupt how to update it.
6595) Message boards : Web interfaces : remove postings (Message 53653)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not even sure what you ask for. Can you elaborate?

If you're asking for an easy option to mass-hide posts, I did ask for that already and it's on the to-do list. What I asked for is check boxes in front of all thread titles, only visible for admins and moderators, that they can check the bad threads and then click Hide, to hide multiple threads in one swoop.

If you're asking for complete removal of the posts, as far as I know you can do that directly in the database.
6596) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 7.2.7 (x64) not working after Ubuntu 13.10 upgrade from 13.04 (Message 53640)
Posted 15 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
- Did you really mean 7.2.7, or did you mean 7.2.27, or even something else?

I have
BOINC Manager: boinc-manager 7.2.7+dfsg-1
BOINC: boinc 7.2.7+dfsg-1

Well, here's the problem I have with that... it never was a BOINC client released for Linux. It was for World Community Grid (as a 32bit version) and it was for Android (as a test app), but never for Linux, Windows or Macintosh in all the glorious versions available as the normal versions of BOINC are.

So whatever the version is that you have, it's pre-alpha at best, which means that although it may have run stable and steady for you in the past, it will easily topple over when it encounters new libraries and such that you have in a new OS.

In which case I urge you to update to a newer version first. 7.2.27 is better than your version. 7.2.42 is the present recommended one. And there are several 7.3 to try. Your choice.

If you insist in running pre-alpha ware, at least try to do ldd boinc-client and ldd boinc-manager (or whatever the binary name is of the manager in Linux). To check for compatibility issues between the binaries and any libs installed on your system. Oh, that's el-dee-dee.
6597) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 7.2.7 (x64) not working after Ubuntu 13.10 upgrade from 13.04 (Message 53624)
Posted 14 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Lots of unclear information:
- Did you update the OS without uninstalling programs, expecting them to work again later?
- Did you check beforehand for compatibility problems with various programs between the distros?
- Did you install BOINC from Berkeley, or repository?
- Did you really mean 7.2.7, or did you mean 7.2.27, or even something else?
- What if you update to a newer version than what you have, if must be one of the latest 7.3 alpha versions?
- What, if anything, does it say in the various stderr*.txt and stdout*.txt log files?
- Did you even start the client, or only BOINC Manager? Under Windows will BOINC Manager start the client, but I don't think it does so under Linux and OS X.
6598) Message boards : Android : Android Problems (Message 53611)
Posted 13 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC error -204 means that you have problems logging in.
BOINC error -224 means the same as a HTTP error 404: Page not found.

What does it say in the BOINC event log on the phone?
6599) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc as house heating (Message 53603)
Posted 12 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi! I got the same issue.

Not exactly the same issue then, if you do not want the GPU to heat up too much. The original poster wants to heat his house with the heat output of his new computer. Is that what you want?

if not, check out Efmer Tthrottle, as that will do what you want (on Windows then at least).
6600) Message boards : BOINC client : Make BOINC reconfigure for new GPU (Message 53573)
Posted 10 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reinstall the drivers.

And otherwise, please read When requesting help on these forums. It's so difficult to guess as to what you're on about.
6601) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 53554)
Posted 8 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded your link plus the outcome to David, who fixed it. Thanks for the link, test & report.
6602) Message boards : The Lounge : The Elder Scrolls Online (Message 53537)
Posted 7 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, remembrance of Skyrim:
6603) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC loads screensaver, runs momentarily, then reloads (Message 53490)
Posted 2 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will happily run project applications without requiring a screen saver. Many of the projects don't even have a screen saver as they don't have the finances to make an OpenGL screen saver.

So it isn't required to run the BOINC screen saver to do science.
That said, the screen saver has had problems since 7.2.39. The developers are aware of the problem and are trying to fix it. Thus far, in none of the version released since, they managed to fix it.

Which leaves you with options:
1. Don't run the screen saver. Or run a Windows screen save, if you must run a screen saver.
2. Uninstall 7.2.42 and reinstall 7.2.33, as that version doesn't have the problem.
6604) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seti needs more diskspace notice now plaguing me (Message 53489)
Posted 2 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You wrote:
Use at most 100gbs
Use at least .10 gbs
Use at most 20% of total space


Your log wrote:
4/2/2014 7:58:15 AM | | Reading preferences override file
4/2/2014 7:58:15 AM | | Preferences:

4/2/2014 7:58:15 AM | | max disk usage: 0.18GB

4/2/2014 7:59:19 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 20-Feb-2013 16:23:56)
4/2/2014 7:59:19 AM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
4/2/2014 7:59:19 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
4/2/2014 7:59:19 AM | | Preferences:

4/2/2014 7:59:19 AM | | max disk usage: 0.18GB
4/2/2014 7:59:19 AM | | max CPUs used: 4

a) you are using local preferences, which override the web preferences.
b) the preferences you set were not loaded into BOINC, probably because it hasn't had a chance yet to contact the project.
c) although it is possible that you used the default (---) venue to set the preferences in and your computer is set to the home venue, so it won't read the changes.
d) but in any case, the local preferences is where it needs to be changed. And at this time it shows you have told BOINC to use only 180MB of disk space.

Local preferences can be found at BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences.
6605) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seti needs more diskspace notice now plaguing me (Message 53479)
Posted 2 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
How large is the hard drive that has 698GB free?
The program may be on a drive or partition with 698GB free, but did you install the data directory on the same drive as well?

When checking in the messages, (CTRL+SHIFT+E), can you find what the actual message from Seti is? Can you please post it, and maybe the 5 lines top and bottom around it?
6606) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 53471)
Posted 2 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.15 available for testing for Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.14 -> 7.3.15

  • client: fix bugs involving AMS-supplied resource shares
    • If AMS supplies resource share, don't override it with project setting (my (David) last fix didn't quite do this).
    • When detach from AMS, set RS to project-supplied value.
  • client: don't abort jobs if WSS > workunit.rsc_memory_bound
    • On second thought, I don't think this is change was desirable. Currently many projects underestimate rsc_memory_bound, so lots of jobs would be aborted. I don't want to force projects to give accurate estimates of RAM usage. That may not even be possible. And we already have mechanisms for aborting jobs for which WSS > available RAM, and only scheduling sets of jobs whose total WSS is < available RAM.
  • client: remove unnecessary CPU benchmarking.
    • On client startup, decide whether we need to do CPU benchmarks (cmdline option was set, or we haven't done them for 30 days). If so, do them when possible.



Available installers:


Windows 7.3.15
- boinc_7.3.15_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.15_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.3.15
- boinc_7.3.15_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.3.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Macintosh 7.3.15
- boinc_7.3.15_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.3.15_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.3.15_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6607) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 53466)
Posted 1 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It kicked the ESO server down as well. We were en-masse kicked off it, even its forums are down. :-(
6608) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed. error code 1 (Message 53457)
Posted 1 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
PS. You stated that I made a mistake when sending my question. Where did I wrong and how can I make it right next time?
Thanks again.

You sent me a private message, one that only I can see. Especially with things like this, we prefer that people post it in the forums instead, which is where I posted it for you. That so that any answer given can be used by the next person with the same question.
6609) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 53451)
Posted 1 Apr 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, 7.3.14 will abort all known work out there. Just do not use it then, unless you managed to get the project to build a new splitter, which gives out work with more correct guesses as to how much memory a task takes.

So 7.3.15 is in the pen, with a sort of retraction of this code.
David Anderson wrote:
On further thought, I'm going to change things back to the way they were, namely

1) workunit.rsc_memory_bound is used only by the server;
it won't send a job if rsc_memory_bound > host's available RAM
2) the client aborts a job if working set size > host's available RAM
3) the client will run a set of jobs only if the sum of their WSSs
fits in available RAM
(i.e. if a job's WSS is close to all available RAM,
it would run that job and nothing else)

The reason for not aborting jobs when WSS > rsc_memory_bound is that
it requires projects to come up with very accurate estimates of RAM usage,
which I don't think is feasible in general.
Also, it will lead to lots of aborted jobs, which is bad for volunteer morale.

-- David
6610) Message boards : GPUs : Questions about iGPU and GPU card use (Message 53448)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably either the Seti or Einstein forums, or both. I seriously do not know the answer to most of your questions, other than that it's always best to leave one CPU core free to cater for the GPU. Especially with OpenCL apps.
6611) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed. error code 1 (Message 53446)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is caused by you telling the BOINC installer to make the BOINC Data directory the root directory of the F:\ drive or partition. Windows Vista, 7, 8 and 8.1 do not like it that files are written to the root directory of any drive or partition. That's what the error code 1 means.
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Data directory: F:\


So, it's best for you to uninstall BOINC now, then clean up the F: directory, make a BOINC directory in it and move all BOINC related files and directories into the BOINC directory, then reinstall BOINC and at the third screen of the installer choose Advanced. Next change the path to the Data directory to F:\BOINC\ and allow the installation to continue.

That will fix the problem for you.

Default directories in the BOINC directory: notices, projects, skin, slots, symbols
Files for the directory: account*.xml, acct_mgr*.xml, all_projects_list.xml, cc_config.xml, client_state.xml, client_state_prev.xml, coproc_info.xml, daily_xfer_history.xml, get_current_version.xml, get_projct_config.xml, global_prefs.xml, global_prefs_override.xml, gui_rpc_auth.cfg, job_log*.xml, lookup*.xml, master*.xml, remote_hosts.cfg, sched*.xml, statistics*.xml, std*.xml and time_stats_log
6612) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU detection failed. error code 1 (Message 53445)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nicola LFRNCL PM'ed me with this, apparently thinking he posted in the forums. The solution to it is really simple. But first the post:

Hello to everybody.
Here is the list of the projects in which I'm partecipating, sorted alphabetically:

30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Asteroids@home | URL http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/; Computer ID 5754; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | boincsimap | URL http://boincsimap.org/boincsimap/; Computer ID 233424; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | CAS@home | URL http://casathome.ihep.ac.cn/; Computer ID 25300; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | climateprediction.net | URL http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID 1308476; resource share 1000
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Collatz Conjecture | URL http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/; Computer ID 114844; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Constellation | URL http://aerospaceresearch.net/constellation/; Computer ID 18704; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | convector.fsv.cvut.cz | URL http://convector.fsv.cvut.cz/; Computer ID 3565; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | correlizer | URL http://svahesrv2.bioquant.uni-heidelberg.de/correlizer/; Computer ID 15029; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Cosmology@Home | URL http://www.cosmologyathome.org/; Computer ID 202995; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | DistrRTgen | URL http://boinc.freerainbowtables.com/distrrtgen/; Computer ID 54804; resource share 25
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Docking | URL http://docking.cis.udel.edu/; Computer ID 189549; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | EDGeS@Home | URL http://home.edges-grid.eu/home/; Computer ID 36612; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 9898672; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Enigma@Home | URL http://www.enigmaathome.net/; Computer ID 89149; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | eon2 | URL http://eon.ices.utexas.edu/eon2/; Computer ID 2503295; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | fightmalaria@home | URL http://boinc.ucd.ie/fmah/; Computer ID 17743; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | GPUGRID | URL http://www.gpugrid.net/; Computer ID 164761; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | ibercivis | URL http://registro.ibercivis.es/; Computer ID 394994; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Leiden Classical | URL http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/; Computer ID 115653; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | LHC@home 1.0 | URL http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/; Computer ID 10308546; resource share 400
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | malariacontrol.net | URL http://www.malariacontrol.net/; Computer ID 734475; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Milkyway@Home | URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 548847; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Neurona@Home | URL http://falua.cesfelipesegundo.com/Neurona/; Computer ID 3273; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | NFS@Home | URL http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/; Computer ID 32765; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | NumberFields@home | URL http://NumberFields.asu.edu/NumberFields/; Computer ID 15275; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | OPTIMA@HOME | URL http://boinc.isa.ru/dcsdg/; Computer ID 6940; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Poem@Home | URL http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/; Computer ID 174212; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | pogs | URL http://pogs.theskynet.org/pogs/; Computer ID 17081; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | primaboinca | URL http://www.primaboinca.com/; Computer ID 26720; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | PrimeGrid | URL http://www.primegrid.com/; Computer ID 416275; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Rioja Science | URL http://boinc.riojascience.com/; Computer ID 2393; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | RNA World | URL http://www.rnaworld.de/rnaworld/; Computer ID 20204; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | rosetta@home | URL http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 1665909; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | SAT@home | URL http://sat.isa.ru/pdsat/; Computer ID 20087; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5127550; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | SubsetSum@Home | URL http://volunteer.cs.und.edu/subset_sum/; Computer ID 4276; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | SZTAKI Desktop Grid | URL http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg/; Computer ID 351466; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | Test4Theory@Home | URL http://lhcathome2.cern.ch/test4theory/; Computer ID 66799; resource share 500
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | The Lattice Project | URL http://boinc.umiacs.umd.edu/; Computer ID 100809; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | World Community Grid | URL http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID 2352202; resource share 100
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | yoyo@home | URL http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/; Computer ID 107169; resource share 100

And these are two of my three PCs operating with the list above: (The third PC, which is an iQ6600 with 8GB DDR2, one nVidia 9600GT and one ATI HD6450, is actually off.)

30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.5 for windows_x86_64
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Data directory: F:\
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Running under account Nicola
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 950 @ 3.07GHz [Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt syscall nx lm vmx tm2 pbe
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Memory: 11.99 GB physical, 23.98 GB virtual
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Disk: 16.00 GB total, 9.18 GB free
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | Local time is UTC +2 hours
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | VirtualBox version: 4.3.6
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTS 250 (driver version 331.82, CUDA version 6.0, compute capability 1.1, 512MB, 456MB available, 768 GFLOPS peak)
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6350/6450/7450/7470 series (Caicos) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 1024MB, 991MB available, 464 GFLOPS peak)
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTS 250 (driver version 331.82, device version OpenCL 1.0 CUDA, 512MB, 456MB available, 768 GFLOPS peak)
30/03/2014 19:29:31 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 6350/6450/7450/7470 series (Caicos) (driver version 1268.1 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1), 1024MB, 991MB available, 464 GFLOPS peak)

31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.5 for windows_x86_64
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Data directory: F:\
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Running under account Nicola
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2220 @ 2.40GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 13]
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 syscall nx lm tm2 pbe
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Memory: 7.00 GB physical, 14.00 GB virtual
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Disk: 9.57 GB total, 6.26 GB free
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | Local time is UTC +2 hours
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | VirtualBox version: 4.3.6
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 285 (driver version 331.82, CUDA version 6.0, compute capability 1.3, 1024MB, 878MB available, 1063 GFLOPS peak)
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5400 series (Cedar) (CAL version 1.4.1741, 512MB, 479MB available, 208 GFLOPS peak)
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | CAL: ATI GPU 1: ATI Radeon HD 5400 series (Cedar) (CAL version 1.4.1741, 512MB, 479MB available, 224 GFLOPS peak)
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 285 (driver version 331.82, device version OpenCL 1.0 CUDA, 1024MB, 878MB available, 1063 GFLOPS peak)
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5400 series (Cedar) (driver version 1124.2 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1124.2), 512MB, 479MB available, 208 GFLOPS peak)
31/03/2014 13:51:48 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 1: ATI Radeon HD 5400 series (Cedar) (driver version 1124.2 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1124.2), 512MB, 479MB available, 224 GFLOPS peak)

As you can see, every GPU is correctly detected and is working properly, also on the third PC.
But this happens only upto the BOINC client v7.2.5, because every newer version does NOT recognise the GPUs anymore.

The following is what the BOINC client v7.2.42 says at the 1st startup after a clean installation:

30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for windows_x86_64
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Data directory: F:\
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Running under account Nicola
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | GPU detection failed. error code 1
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | No usable GPUs found
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Creating new client state file
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Host name: i7-950
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 950 @ 3.07GHz [Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt syscall nx lm vmx tm2 pbe
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Memory: 11.99 GB physical, 23.98 GB virtual
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Disk: 16.00 GB total, 15.89 GB free
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Local time is UTC +2 hours
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | VirtualBox version: 4.3.6
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | No general preferences found - using defaults
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Preferences:
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | max memory usage when active: 6139.56MB
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | max memory usage when idle: 11051.20MB
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | max disk usage: 14.40GB
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | don't use GPU while active
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25%
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Not using a proxy
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | This computer is not attached to any projects
30/03/2014 19:15:55 | | Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu for instructions

And this is what it says at the 2nd startup, after I changed some settings:

30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for windows_x86_64
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Data directory: F:\
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Running under account Nicola
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | GPU detection failed. error code 1
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | No usable GPUs found
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Host name: i7-950
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 950 @ 3.07GHz [Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt syscall nx lm vmx tm2 pbe
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Memory: 11.99 GB physical, 23.98 GB virtual
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Disk: 16.00 GB total, 15.89 GB free
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Local time is UTC +2 hours
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | VirtualBox version: 4.3.6
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | No general preferences found - using defaults
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Reading preferences override file
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Preferences:
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | max memory usage when active: 9823.29MB
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | max memory usage when idle: 11051.20MB
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | max disk usage: 15.79GB
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Not using a proxy
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | This computer is not attached to any projects
30/03/2014 19:20:18 | | Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu for instructions

Every version above the v7.2.5 says the same things, on all of the three PCs.

Where's the problem? Could someone help me, please?
Thank you.

Best regards.

Nicola
6613) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 53444)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.14 available for testing for Windows.

Warning: Read before using this client!
Currently projects have to pick one value for wu.rsc_memory_bound.
In practice, the app may use memory on one platform than another (say, 1GB on x64 and .5GB on x86). The project would have to set rsc_memory_bound to 1 GB.
But then jobs wouldn't be sent to x86 hosts with .5GB RAM.


The above means that all your present work will be aborted if the project has the wrong wu.rsc_memory_bound values set. Something just about any project now has. GPUGrid.net, ClimatePrediction.net, MilkyWay, boincsimap, Seti and Seti Beta are confirmed to be affected. And will continue to be until either this client is retracted, or the projects build new splitters, that give out correct wu.rsc_memory_bound values. Unaffected projects --perhaps-- are Albert & Einstein.

Edit1: Nope, Einstein is affected as well.
01/04/2014 00:29:19 | Einstein@Home | Aborting task p2030.20131119.G200.15-00.26.S.b3s0g0.00000_2592_0: working set size > workunit.rsc_memory_bound: 251.24MB > 247.96MB




Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.11 and 7.3.13 -> 7.3.14

  • client: work with old versions of libcurl.
    • With old (7.15) versions of libcurl, args passed to curl_easy_setopt() (such as the URL) were supposed to remain unchanged until the operation was done. Starting with 7.17 it was changed so that curl_easy_setopt() copied its arguments. The BOINC client was assuming the latter. When linked against the former, URLs would mysteriously change to garbage strings. I (David) changed things to work with the old libcurl semantics.
  • MGR: Properly handle opening Event Log after login on Mac.
  • MGR: fix first display of windows after login on Mac when the user opens the Manager by a method other than by selecting "Open BOINC Manager" from the popup menu in the Dock or menu bar icon.
  • WINBUILD: Remove InstallShield's permission setting mechanism, rely on the SetPermissions? custom actions instead. (World Community Grid)
  • WINBUILD: Only create BOINC related user groups when installing as a service. (World Community Grid)
  • WINBUILD: Always reset the permissions on the BOINC Data directory. (World Community Grid)
  • MGR: Simplify logic introduced in my (Charlie) commit 0f68132; start replacing deprecated Carbon APIs with Cocoa code.
  • client: message tweaks on "don't need".
  • MGR: Update the default project image in the Simple GUI.
  • MGR: In simple view project selection control on Mac, correctly display project icons with transparency masks.
  • MGR: Small efficiency tweak for Mac Simple View.
  • client & MGR: Remove byte order markers from UTF-8 encoded files.
  • client: Fix the stuff I (Rom) broke with my previous commit. Somehow I picked up a version of hostinfo_unix.cpp that was older than the current version.
  • MGR: Change the background color to white on the default project image so that anti-aliasing will work.
  • MGR: Update default project icon where it has a white background and anti-aliasing worked.
  • MGR: Get rid of some crufty code that is no longer needed on Windows/Linux. Use wxBitmapComboBox instead.
  • MGR: Remove deleted file from Makefile.am
  • MGR: Fix Mac Simple View updating broken by commit 185c45.
  • MGR: Get rid of unneeded file.
  • WINBUILD: Update VirtualBox inclusion to 4.3.8
  • scheduler: check if cpu_time and elapsed_time are infinite, set to zero if so.
    • Some (old? buggy?) clients report these as infinity. This causes the result update queries to fail.
  • lib: fix build breaks in client, manager and boinccmd introduced in commit 8aa10ee.
  • SCR: Create a diagnostics log file for the default screensaver app.
  • MGR: Fix Mac compiler warning introduced by commit 73a6345.
  • MGR: Simplify parsing the httponly element of a cookie for Chrome.
  • client: read stderr file if abort non-running job.
  • lib, nvcuda: Fix warnings from cppcheck reported by Toralf Förster.
  • SCR: Convert images used by the default screensaver to jpeg. TEXTURE_DESC only decodes jpeg files.
  • SCR: Fill out logo stuff for WCG and PTP on Windows.
  • client: tweak in MAC address code for struct lifconf.
  • SCR: Reverse build breaks from commit eb46872. These files are used by the Mac Screensaver Coordinator.
  • MGR: Remove BOINCBitmapComboBox.cpp and BOINCBitmapComboBox.h from Windows project.
  • MGR: bug fix: remove scroll bars from commands / web sites area of advanced view when not needed.
  • MGR: bug fix: adjust layout of commands / web sites area of advanced view when showing or hiding "Show VM Console" button.
  • MGR: Add a dialog to enable setting and clearing diagnostic log flags, to assist tech support volunteers when working with users. It is accessed by selecting "Diagnostics…" under the Options menu in either Advanced View or Simple View.
  • LIB: Possible fix for process_exists() on Linux. Newer versions of Linux appear to have stricter parameter validation requirements for waitpid().
  • client: fix bug where get_screensaver_tasks GUI RPC returned no tasks during CPU throttling.
  • client & MGR: Make writing trace statements to the debugger viewport something you have to opt into on Windows.
    (Rom) I use it a lot, but other developers using BOINC may not care to see BOINC messages while debugging their own stuff.
  • WINBUILD: Fix target file names for the screen saver and screen saver coordinator.
  • LIB: fix compiler warning introduced by commit ba84386.
  • MGR: Bug fix: correctly restore default task bar icons when switching from a different skin (e.g., GridRepublic) to default skin.
  • MGR: message tweak in new Diagnostics dialog; allow for branded application names.
  • MGR: fix a bug on Windows where clicking on a web sites button in Advanced View might cause the buttons to scroll without sending the button clicked event.
  • MGR: Fix typo in a comment.
  • WCG:
    • installer: Update images for WCG installer and skin.
    • Revise the ico files for WCG.
    • Update branding images and files for World Community Grid.
    • Updated Skin, Installer and pause/disconnected icon files for WCG.
    • Add jpeg version of background image for screen saver.
    • Add jpg logo file to install directory for screen saver.
  • DOC: Disable BOINC/VirtualBox download for Windows XP based systems.
  • MGR: Re-enable keyboard navigation through task control buttons on Windows.
  • client: Show VirtualBox revision number along with its version number on Mac and Linux.
  • client: Simplify logic to get VirtualBox version on Mac and fix a crash bug when VirtualBox is installed only on a different boot partition.
  • client: enforce workunit.rsc_memory_bound
    • Inexplicably, the client was comparing a job's working set size only with the client's overall RAM limit, not with the WU limit. Check both.
    • Note: this may require some projects to update their values of workunit.rsc_memory_bound.
  • MGR: Improve keyboard navigation to provide better accessibility for users with limited motor coordination.
  • MGR: Ensure Mac simple view controls are created in correct order to enable keyboard navigation.



Available installers:


Windows 7.3.14
- boinc_7.3.14_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.14_windows_x86_64.exe

6614) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC doesn't write in-progress downloads to disk? (Message 53443)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, nothing happened of it. As you already say, you fixed it by fixing the cause of the BSODs, which is what I was after in my previous post in this thread. So there's nothing for BOINC to fix.
6615) Message boards : The Lounge : Receiving spam "From" BOINC (Message 53439)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord, We seem to be talking passed each other for some reason.

No, we're not. You just seem to have set it into your head that since you didn't give out the email address, that the site that gave you the email must have been sending out random emails to random email addresses. They don't do that, as far as I can see. And seeing the combination of words, anyone could've put that email address on the list.

In the email header it shows that your email address is a member of the email list. If you do not want to receive any further emails from them, you can unsubscribe.

Do know that anyone is allowed to use the name BOINC in their address. As long as people point to where it came from, and have either a logo of BOINC or a link to the correct download site, or both, it's all right. So TZM is just a group that runs BOINC projects. They're trying to get more people to join their group, so they've set up a website, and with that website, an email list that gives out newsletters. One has to subscribe for this list. That's how you got the email.

Lastly, I have taken the liberty to unsubscribe your email address and you will be getting an email about that. You cannot further unsubscribe, as your email address is no longer in their list.

As for...
I do think your definition of spam is a little narrow.

Talking about being condescending, both the above bit of your post, plus your constant trying to tell me how I am missing the point, and that you know all these things. That is condescending.
6616) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suggested (CPU) preferences for BOINC (Message 53435)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Claggy won't be able to edit or delete anything, as other than a skillful helper, he's not a moderator around here. I might be able to hide it, but don't really see the need. Other than you yourself, and only for an hour after posting it, no-one can edit your post.
6617) Message boards : The Lounge : Receiving spam "From" BOINC (Message 53434)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The people that sent it, TZM are of The Zeitgeist Movement. They're apparently an activist group, who through that site want to get more people to join their team to run the Malariacontrol.net project through BOINC.

I don't think it is spam, as they're not trying to sell me anything, nor does their site seem to try to add anything exiting to my computer. How you then got the email? You probably posted the email address somewhere, where it was picked up.

Having said that, I will make a note of this site and their email to the developers.
6618) Message boards : The Lounge : Receiving spam "From" BOINC (Message 53428)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without knowing what the contents of the email were, it's difficult to answer. But do know that BOINC itself does not ever email anyone. The BOINC developers (David Anderson, Rom Walton, Charlie Fenton) might, but you can recognize them.

Now, you can PM me the contents of the email, if you want to. When you do so, please try to send the headers along as well. Normally this can be done by selecting the email, and telling the email program to show the headers, or show original.
6619) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Windows cannot find 'C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincsvcctrl.exe'" in 7.2.42 x64 (Message 53416)
Posted 29 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great, thanks. I'll let the developer know.
6620) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.2.42 has my RAC in freefall (Message 53396)
Posted 28 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What Claggy most probably meant with the link is that you posted this on the BOINC forums. As you can notice, none of us have a RAC here. So, without you answering at least which project you see this on, any answer given can only be a guess pulled from thin air.

But in any case, work-related questions, credit-related questions and thus RAC-related questions, application-related questions and all such things are best asked at the project you run. Or if you must get an answer here, provide the details as asked for in the thread Claggy points to.
6621) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Windows cannot find 'C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincsvcctrl.exe'" in 7.2.42 x64 (Message 53389)
Posted 28 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, one thing you can try to do is uninstall BOINC, then reinstall it. Then check if the file is still missing. Could someone or something have deleted it?
6622) Message boards : Android : Android app - can it be set to use the SD card? (Message 53387)
Posted 28 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, at the moment the BOINC for Android app cannot use the SD card yet. That is slated for a future version.
6623) Message boards : GPUs : Linux, AMD Kaveri GPU recognition (Message 53376)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do 27 Mär 2014 22:36:39 CET |  | No OpenCL library found
Do 27 Mär 2014 22:36:39 CET |  | No usable GPUs found

To speak with Adam Savage, there's your problem. Without OpenCL drivers for it, the AMD GPU will not be found. Or maybe that they are installed, but not available in a path that BOINC can read them in.

I think you will want to try to download and install the 13.30 RC3 Beta drivers from AMD themselves.
6624) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account Missing, AND circular BOINC Manager Alert (Message 53374)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have been trying to log in to my account and am told none exists! I had to create a new account to post here today. Did something occur in my absence? What happened to my credits? It's no big deal but I would have appreciated a heads up.

We are the BOINC forums, not a project forums such as Seti, Einstein, Climateprediction.net, or other. So there are no credits here. See under my name? No credits, no RAC. No need to add the URL https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/ to BOINC either, as there is nothing done here.

I would appreciate enlightenment.

Exit BOINC if it's running.
Go to the Programs directory (e.g. C:\Program Files\BOINC\ or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ depending on version installed and bitness of the OS) and remove the RebootPending.txt file. Then (re)start BOINC.
6625) Message boards : The Lounge : The Elder Scrolls Online (Message 53372)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, I changed my mind. And bought two copies of the game just minutes ago. One for me, one for the Misses. A bit of pay-it-forward from the tax-return. Which means I'll be even less available from the 1st of April, and that's no joke. 3 days early access to the servers... yes!

Now downloading 23 gigabytes... again.

All 45+ GB is downloaded and installed. Of course, halfway through the download I found that I could've used the Beta installer and updated that. ;-)
6626) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 53353)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm... it's Tuesday again? SETI@home is temporarily shut down for maintenance. Please try again later.
6627) Message boards : Questions and problems : SCREEN SAVER (Message 53352)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Someone had an idea in your old thread, so let's continue in that one, okay?
6628) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 53350)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have just linked to the World Community Grid BOINC installer for Windows. For those of you wondering what happened to 7.2.45 and 7.2.46, they were botched versions, so nowhere available.

There are no builds between 7.2.42 and 7.2.47 available.
6629) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 53349)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.47 available for World Community Grid Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.42 -> 7.2.43

  • WINBUILD: Remove InstallShield's permission setting mechanism, rely on the SetPermissions? custom actions instead. (World Community Grid)
  • WINBUILD: Only create BOINC related user groups when installing as a service. (World Community Grid)
  • WINBUILD: Remove the CreateBOINCGroups custom action from the non-service install path. Removes a required reboot on the very first time you install BOINC.
  • WINBUILD: Properly handle the 'All Users can control BOINC' installer flag. Fixes [trac]#1025[/trac].
  • WINBUILD: Remove InstallShield's permission setting mechanism, rely on the SetPermissions custom actions instead.
  • WINBUILD: Only create BOINC related user groups when installing as a service.
  • WINBUILD: Always reset the permissions on the BOINC Data directory.


Preliminary Change Log 7.2.43 -> 7.2.44


  • MGR: Commit new icon templates from Jacob Klein.
  • client & manager: Update icons for all client-side components.
  • MGR: If the desired icon size is missing use the next higher or lower one that is available.
  • client & manager: Update icons for all client-side components. (v2)
  • MGR: Fix the calls to SetDefault() for CSkinAdvanced on Mac and Linux.
  • MGR: wxSystemOptions::GetMetric doesn't appear to be implemented on the Mac, so hard code the desired icon size to 16x16 for the menu bar.
  • client & manager: Update icons for all client-side components. (v3b) + (v4)
  • MGR: Load missing icon sizes for High DPI systems on Windows.
  • MGR: Remove older icon templates (v1, v2, v3).
  • MGR: Fix broken icon in Advanced Preferences "Exclusive Applications" tab.
    • GetIcon(wxDefaultSize) for wxIconBundle objects uses wxSystemSettings::GetMetric(wxSYS_ICON_X) which is not supported on Mac.
  • MGR: Enforce a 16x16 image for the advanced prefs tab control for all platforms. wxImageList is initialized for 16x16 and would probably throw an error for any other size.
  • MGR: Update BOINC icon set to v5.
  • MGR: Change the background color to white on the default project image so that anti-aliasing will work.
  • MGR: Update default project icon where it has a white background and anti-aliasing worked.
  • MGR: Fix build breaks introduced by back-porting wxWidgets 3.0 code to a wxWidgets 2.8 environment. Add new icon bundle support for WCG.
  • MGR: Improve error logic for loading icons in wxWidgets 2.8 environment.
  • SCR: Create a diagnostics log file for the default screensaver app.
  • MGR: Various fixes to get some new skins off the ground with the new icon bundle features.
  • SCR: Remove the per user log flag (not supported for 7.2) and setup the default screensaver log directory to be the data directory.
  • MGR: Setup the baseline bundle with all images specified in the ico files and then potentially replace with skin defined XPM variants. We may need to do a future 7.2 release.


Preliminary Change Log 7.2.44 -> 7.2.47


  • SCR: Convert images used by the default screensaver to jpeg. TEXTURE_DESC only decodes jpeg files.
  • SCR: Fill out logo stuff for WCG and PTP on Windows.
  • SCR: Temporarily change directory into the install directory before loading the graphic assets, revert back to the data directory afterwords. (Windows Only)
  • SCR: Reverse build breaks from commit 78719b6. These files are used by the Mac Screensaver Coordinator.
  • MGR: Fix Mac build breaks introduced by commits fdbf20f, 8d3632e, 504e9d7, 2b235d8.
  • client: fix bug where get_screensaver_tasks GUI RPC returned no tasks during CPU throttling.
  • WCG:
    • installer: Update images for WCG installer and skin.
    • Revise the ico files for WCG.
    • Update branding images and files for World Community Grid.
    • Updated Skin, Installer and pause/disconnected icon files for WCG.
    • Add jpeg version of background image for screen saver.
    • Add jpg logo file to install directory for screen saver.




Available installers:

World Community Grid 7.2.47
- wcg_boinc_7.2.47_windows_intelx86.exe

6630) Message boards : The Lounge : Receiving spam "From" BOINC (Message 53347)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why do you think it came from BOINC?
Are you sure it wasn't a project (mass) email?
6631) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory usage overload (Message 53345)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I don't get:
My setup
Linux Mint 16 - 64bits
Boinc - from their package manager- 7.2.7(x64) - wxWidgets 2.8.12
Project actively running - World Community Grid

Whose package manager? Linux Mint? BOINC? World Community Grid?
6632) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Windows cannot find 'C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincsvcctrl.exe'" in 7.2.42 x64 (Message 53342)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
6633) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc for Google Glass aka Glasswear (Message 53325)
Posted 26 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you already run BOINC on your device, I suppose you also run some project on it. Seeing how you say you have run a ton of work on it. So if all that works, and I suppose it works under Android, then what is your question?

Apropos, having a Google Glass sit on the charger for 3/4 of the day totally defies the meaning behind the thing, doesn't it?
6634) Message boards : GPUs : Linux, AMD Kaveri GPU recognition (Message 53316)
Posted 25 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development. Although it would require detection support for any platform, not just Linux. So... any future BOINC.
6635) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bonic 7.2.42 - Unable to download (Message 53313)
Posted 25 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What will not run? What kind of error message do you get, if any? Or else, what messages do you get in BOINC Manager Event Log (VTRL+SHIFT+E)?
6636) Message boards : BOINC Manager : The last versions of BOINC I installed repeatedly opened DOS Command window. (Message 53302)
Posted 25 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since you deliberately want to post in an illegible manner, by posting both in bold and in all CAPS, you are making it difficult for someone to read what you write. Me? I am not even going to try anymore. For the bit that I read, wasn't very friendly. So have fun with solving your problem.
6637) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Mgr - request for coding change... (Message 53282)
Posted 25 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is already incorporated through the <task> option in cc_config.xml
<task>0</task> will turn off the start and stop, and thus also the pause and resume messages. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration for more information.
6638) Message boards : GPUs : "No usable GPUs found" (Message 53273)
Posted 23 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you read Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/Derivatives - GPU recognition fixes?
6639) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging in to BOINC (Message 53270)
Posted 23 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have an account, but the system does not seem to want me to sign in.

Sign you in where?
6640) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install took over 11 hours (Message 53264)
Posted 22 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
was trying to locate where I can find out how to use this program

BOINC Manager->Help->BOINC Manager Help will point you to the user wiki.
6641) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 localgroup (Message 53262)
Posted 22 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
To check which user accounts are on the computer, do net user (Enter)
Also make sure that the boinc_admins group is actually on the computer, and that BOINC makes use of it. net localgroup (Enter) will give you a list of local groups.

The newer beta BOINC versions (7.3.8 and later) make no use of the BOINC groups anymore, unless you specifically installed BOINC as a service.

Since you didn't say what you problem was and with which BOINC version, I can only assume that you're getting an error about your username not being able to control BOINC.
6642) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cumputer is stuttering while GPU in use (Message 53256)
Posted 21 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Changed GPU use only when computer is not in use and problem is solved.

Which is the default setting, just to make sure that BOINC isn't interfering with your normal use of the computer. Any other setting is something that the person behind the keyboard (and mouse) changed to.
6643) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Screensaver constantly restarting. (Message 53253)
Posted 21 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Has this been brought up before?

Yes. It's a problem in BOINC 7.2.39, 7.2.42 and all of the 7.3 alpha and beta versions till date. The developers are looking into it. No ultimatum yet as to when it is fixed.
6644) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to run Boinc and Google Earth on same machine (Message 53251)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For me personally, when I run BOINC (Einstein and Seti on my AMD HD 7870 GPU only) and then start GE, my videocard driver resets itself. This then crashes GE.

So I learned to add an exclusion to my cc_config.xml, that tells BOINC to just suspend when I run GE. Might be something for you as well.

You can add CPU exclusions through BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences->exclusive applications. At least, you can use that path in Windows, should be the same in Linux. And else manually add an exclusion to cc_config.xml, or make this file if it isn't in existence yet. It doesn't come by default with BOINC.

Adding a CPU exclusion, will suspend BOINC from running for as long as that application is in memory.

e.g.
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<exclusive_app>googleearth</exclusive_app>
</options>
</cc_config>


Saved as cc_config.xml in either home/BOINC/, or if you used repository BOINC, in /etc/boinc-client
Restarting the client will read in this cc_config.xml file and now when you next start GE, BOINC should automatically suspend doing work and resume when GE leaves memory.
6645) Message boards : Questions and problems : Blind User (Message 53250)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, according to the developers there's been code in place since 2009 that adds read-support for JAWS to BOINC Manager. They haven't heard of any of this in a long time.

Now, what the user can try to do, is to install BOINC 7.2.42, as this version doesn't use bitmaps for the buttons in Simple View, something that 6.10.58 does still do. Although your blind user is talking about tabs, so we can deduce he managed to get to Advanced View. But even here adjustments have been made, to allow for using keyboard only, and no mouse. It may be that it's a problem with 6.10.58, so it is best to try with an up-to-date version first.

In case he wants to use a WCG version only, there's a beta one available: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/wcg_boinc_7.2.7_windows_intelx86.exe
Mind, do warn, if the user wants to try to use BOINC 7.2.42, that he should download the plain version, without Virtual Box, and that they should check that they get the correct version --32 bit or 64 bit.
6646) Message boards : Android : No answer within 24 hours? Please consider these email lists... (Message 53247)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you've posted something here but haven't had an answer in 24 hours, please consider signing up to the BOINC for Android Google group, or the BOINC Development email list. That is where the Android developers live and read, and where most of the knowledgeable Android people are.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/boinc-android-testing
https://groups.google.com/a/ssl.berkeley.edu/forum/#!forum/boinc_dev
These lists do need registration. The Google Group requires a Google account.

If you no longer want to wait for a new client to appear on the radar, you can try to build one yourself. All the prerequisites for that can be found on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AndroidBuildClient.
6647) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install took over 11 hours (Message 53246)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC installer doesn't use percentages to show installation progress, and it certainly doesn't take many hours to run. Before that time, Windows must have thrown a time-out already.

Seeing how you say that progress is 98.862% and that you see a Boinc.exe process in Windows task manager, I can deduce that this means that your BOINC is installed and that you added a project, and that that project is working away at a task. And that task is presently at 98.862% of completion.

Do Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager, that should at least put a BOINC Manager icon in your Windows taskbar. Click it, and BOINC Manager will open.

And then it will either show as

or as
6648) Message boards : Questions and problems : Blind User (Message 53245)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
Question though, do you know which BOINC version he is running?
6649) Message boards : Web interfaces : Password changes (Message 53238)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, a password change will only make a difference when you detach and reattach. It's only to authenticate you as a human to the server, your BOINC makes use of an authentication key to communicate with the server which account it belongs to.
6650) Message boards : GPUs : Powercolor HD 6450 (Message 53236)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Win XPpro
Went from 8600GT to a HD 6450
Catalyts 13.4

AMD only supports OpenCL up to Catalysts 12.1 on Windows XP. Any driver after that has no longer got OpenCL support on XP. You can use the AMD driver version cheat sheet to keep up with things.

Apropos,
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | SETI@home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing CUDA GPU
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type CUDA
3/19/2014 8:44:40 PM | PrimeGrid | Application uses missing CUDA GPU

Might be nice to abort this work next time, before you switch cards.
6651) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompatible with nvidia blob driver version 334.21 on Linux? (Message 53232)
Posted 19 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Restarting BOINC after some time would do the trick.
6652) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.42 released to the public (Message 53230)
Posted 19 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Works as advertised here:
19/03/2014 18:39:14 | LHC@home 1.0 | update requested by user
19/03/2014 18:39:18 | LHC@home 1.0 | sched RPC pending: Requested by user
19/03/2014 18:39:18 | LHC@home 1.0 | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
19/03/2014 18:39:18 | LHC@home 1.0 | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
19/03/2014 18:39:18 | LHC@home 1.0 | Not requesting tasks: "no new tasks" requested via Manager
19/03/2014 18:39:18 | LHC@home 1.0 | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
19/03/2014 18:39:18 | LHC@home 1.0 | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
19/03/2014 18:39:20 | LHC@home 1.0 | Scheduler request completed
19/03/2014 18:39:20 | LHC@home 1.0 | [sched_op] Server version 701
19/03/2014 18:39:20 | LHC@home 1.0 | Project requested delay of 6 seconds
19/03/2014 18:39:20 | LHC@home 1.0 | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:00:06
19/03/2014 18:39:20 | LHC@home 1.0 | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project

Make sure the project doesn't do resend lost work, and that the work you get isn't lost work. Also make sure you set the correct project to NNT.

You can also check in client_state.xml in the BOINC data directory.
In it look for the entry of <master_url>http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/</master_url>, then scroll down a bit and if you set NNT correctly on this project, it should say <dont_request_more_work/> just above the <rsc_backoff_time> entries.
6653) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incompatible with nvidia blob driver version 334.21 on Linux? (Message 53228)
Posted 19 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does your BOINC start automatically at boot, or do you manually start it?
The problem with the video drivers on Linux is that they can take a long time to initialize, and therefore be available for BOINC to use for detection of GPUs. Perhaps wait 5 or 10 minutes, before starting BOINC after a reboot?
6654) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 53223)
Posted 19 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think that today the admins at Seti do things differently, and they do not have a Tuesday maintenance. It can't be more broke than it already is, so they've decided to give up. :)

So, I was just 14 days too early when I said that... They really didn't do an outage yesterday. ;-)
6655) Message boards : The Lounge : The Elder Scrolls Online (Message 53190)
Posted 17 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Had a good weekend, but for the multitude of bugged quests and the quite annoying 'kick-Jord-off-the-server-with-an-Unknown_Error' thing. I was kicked off a total of 15 times during the past 2.5 days.

Anyway, I had promised some images.
First, meet my character, Emily Bushelfire.



One of the most beautiful things I have seen in there, and really deafening in NOISE, are the dolmen.







I was watching how some other players killed this one in the last beta weekend.

Lastly for now, also from the last weekend.


6656) Message boards : Questions and problems : Need to remove 6.10.58 (Message 53189)
Posted 16 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nice that you give that link, but also know that the 6.10.58 64bit version in that list is corrupt and can therefore not be used by anyone. And that then they'll have to use the Windows Program Uninstaller to remove that version.
6657) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install took over 11 hours (Message 53187)
Posted 16 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll have to explain a bit more and better, what you are trying to do. Download BOINC? Install BOINC? They are two different things.

If download, what kind of internet connection do you have and what is its speed?
Where are you downloading from?

If you're installing BOINC, and progress is only at 92%, check in Windows task manager what is taking up the CPU(s). Something else must be interfering.
6658) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.2.42 won't go into screensaver mode (Message 53180)
Posted 15 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And yes, the red ball reference was too the screen saver. I thought that was obvious.

It's still not obvious what you mean. Look, BOINC has its own screen saver built-in, it will also show between shots of a project screen saver. This is done because not all projects have a screen saver, so when people chose to run with a screen saver, that there is something on the screen at all times.

The BOINC screen saver is merely black, with a BOINC logo, and showing per project your name, your team name, your credit and RAC amount and when there's work crunching for it, how far into the task the progress is.

I said that the BOINC screen saver does not have a red ball, so it must be some project's screen saver that does so. Is all I said. I didn't even ask which project.
6659) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.2.42 won't go into screensaver mode (Message 53176)
Posted 15 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since the BOINC screen saver does not have a red ball, you must be talking about a project screen saver. That there is a problem with the screen saver flickering under 7.2.39 and 7.2.42 is known. It switches quickly between the desktop and the screen saver window. Want to get rid of that? Reinstall 7.2.33

7.2.39 released to the public has the first reports on that, while in BOINC 7.2.42 released to the public I did post it isn't fixed in this version.
It won't be fixed in the upcoming 7.2.43 version either.
6660) Message boards : BOINC Manager : The last versions of BOINC I installed repeatedly opened DOS Command window. (Message 53173)
Posted 15 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The last versions of BOINC I have downloaded

It's really not that difficult to tell which version of BOINC you presently have, when it's still on the system, by opening BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager. It also shows in the lower right corner in advanced view which version it is.

And else it'll give a clue as to which version it is in the installer name. Just saying that 'the last versions of BOINC' just won't cut it as we've been going through quite a lot of versions the past weeks. In the last 6 weeks alone: 7.2.39, 7.2.42, 7.3.8, 7.3.9, 7.3.10, 7.3.11

So which version did you see this with, and if an ALPHA, why didn't you report it to the BOINC Alpha email list, so that the developers can directly contact you on this problem?
6661) Message boards : Questions and problems : Remove Lattice? (Message 53161)
Posted 14 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version was this with?
As it isn't normal. But then I don't really know how it should work either, so I'll test it some further on my own version here.
6662) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.2.42 installer (Message 53160)
Posted 14 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC says to use run_client and run_manager, does that not work?

To start the client manually enter the following terminal commands:

$ cd ~/BOINC  
$ ./run_client --daemon
$ ./run_manager

6663) Message boards : The Lounge : The Elder Scrolls Online (Message 53156)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
New beta weekend upcoming. I just downloaded the ~18GB on updates.
I'll still have to set some of the images to PNG and upload them to an image site. But never enough hours in the week.
6664) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 53154)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have posted version 7.3.13 of BOINC for the Mac. It is basically the same as 7.3.11 for Windows and Linux, but with Mac-specific bug fixes.

Note: this version of BOINC requires at least OS 10.5.

Cheers,
--Charlie

Download link and change log in this post.
6665) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 53153)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.13 available for testing for Macintosh.

This version requires OSX 10.5 or later.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.10 -> 7.3.13

  • MGR: Fixes for fast user switching support.
    • Fix a crash bug which prevented "Launch another BOINC Manager" from working.
    • Fix compiler warnings of possible buffer overflow due to incorrect calls to strncat()
    • Adjust directories for per-user files on Macintosh.
  • Mac uninstaller: Fixes for fast user switching support.
  • LIB: Store the per-user log files in the local profile area instead of the roaming area. We do not need to copy the log files back up to a home directory server when roaming profiles are used.
  • MGR: If an account manager is specified via an installer, skip displaying the attach wizard. (Simple GUI)
  • LIB: Revert the previous LIB entry and remove the heap check in the tray applet.
  • MGR: Treat asserts like other messages to be logged, include date/time as well as thread id.
  • SCR: on Mac, don't overwrite old log files.
  • client: work fetch tweak to avoid starvation in a particular case.
    • (David) My commit of Feb 7 caused work fetch to project P to be deferred for up to 5 min if an upload to P is active, even if some instances are idle. This was to deal with a case where the idleness was caused by a jobs-in-progress limit by P, and work requests lead to long backoff.

    However, this can cause instances to be idle unnecessarily. I changed things so that, if instances are idle, a work fetch can happen even during upload. But only one such fetch will be done.
  • Mac installer: fix automatic launching of Manager after installation on OS 10.5
  • MGR: On Mac, fix showing of windows when activated after login by means other than "Open" menu item from task bar (Dock or menu bar icon).
  • Mac installer: fix setting of screensaver.
  • Mac installer: fix 15 second delay after finishing installation before launching BOINC Manager (launches immediately if user closes installer).
  • MGR: Fix bugs in launching hidden on Mac OS 10.6 and more simplification of Mac code for wxCocoa 3.0



Available Installers:

Macintosh 7.3.13
- boinc_7.3.13_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.3.13_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.3.13_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6666) Message boards : GPUs : OS X 10.9 Mavericks has for the moment CUDA support for Nvidia Fermi and later only. (Message 53152)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good news for the users of the older videocards on the Mac, Nvidia has released a new CUDA driver for OSX which reportedly supports the sm_1x GPU architecture on 10.9/Mavericks again!

Do test please and let us know!
6667) Message boards : Questions and problems : Remove Lattice? (Message 53150)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure you sync with BAM. That's an option in either the Tools or Advanced menu.
6668) Message boards : Questions and problems : Remove Lattice? (Message 53146)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You added the project through BAM, so you should also remove the project through BAM.
6669) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 53144)
Posted 13 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
We've released version 7.3.11 of BOINC.

Changes include:

- A brand new mechanism for displaying notices.
To test: look at your list of notices and verify they are all there. At some point we will need to test pictures and video content.
- Recent changes to support Fast-User switching on Windows and Mac.
To test: if you use Fast-User switching, verify that BOINC Manager can start with Admin and Limited accounts.
- New icon sets from Jacob Klein.
To test: Our new icons should look good at various resolutions and various text sizes (DPI settings).

Please report test results using the BOINC Alpha Test web site: [url]
http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/[/url]

You can (and should) report positive as well as negative test results. Please include test results for any of the visible areas of test you are able to test.
This information helps us decide when versions can safely be released to the public.

The complete test matrix can be found here:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

The first time you use the BOINC Alpha Test web site, you'll need to create an account. Please let us know if you have any questions or problems.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6670) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 53127)
Posted 11 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.11 available for testing for Windows and Linux.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.10 -> 7.3.11

  • MGR: Fixes for fast user switching support.
    • Fix a crash bug which prevented "Launch another BOINC Manager" from working.
    • Fix compiler warnings of possible buffer overflow due to incorrect calls to strncat()
    • Adjust directories for per-user files on Macintosh.
  • Mac uninstaller: Fixes for fast user switching support.
  • LIB: Store the per-user log files in the local profile area instead of the roaming area. We do not need to copy the log files back up to a home directory server when roaming profiles are used.
  • MGR: If an account manager is specified via an installer, skip displaying the attach wizard. (Simple GUI)
  • LIB: Revert the previous LIB entry and remove the heap check in the tray applet.
  • MGR: Treat asserts like other messages to be logged, include date/time as well as thread id.
  • SCR: on Mac, don't overwrite old log files.
  • client: work fetch tweak to avoid starvation in a particular case.
    • (David) My commit of Feb 7 caused work fetch to project P to be deferred for up to 5 min if an upload to P is active, even if some instances are idle. This was to deal with a case where the idleness was caused by a jobs-in-progress limit by P, and work requests lead to long backoff.

    However, this can cause instances to be idle unnecessarily. I changed things so that, if instances are idle, a work fetch can happen even during upload. But only one such fetch will be done.
  • Mac installer: fix automatic launching of Manager after installation on OS 10.5



Available installers:


Windows 7.3.11
- boinc_7.3.11_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.11_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.3.11
- boinc_7.3.11_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.3.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

6671) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Proxy / Relay (Message 53121)
Posted 11 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you want is SuperHost, but sadly: The superhost idea has been proposed numerous times, but has not yet been implemented.

Problem

Large organisations wishing to run BOINC often don't want to open up their entire network to BOINC project servers, or allow unmanaged BOINC clients running on the network, potentially attached to unauthorised projects.
Solution

Promote one of the hosts to "superhost". All other hosts will only communicate with the superhost, and only the superhost requires Internet access.


But as said, not implemented yet.
6672) Message boards : Questions and problems : us.intellitxt.com Why does bonic connect to this well know adware server? (Message 53096)
Posted 10 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
When logged back in, open a command prompt as the administrator: Start->Search->type cmd and now press CTRL+SHIFT+Enter simultaneously. Acknowledge that you want to do this.
In the command line window, type
cd\ (Enter)
netstat -bn >> C:\temp\netlog1.txt (Enter)

Then navigate to C:\temp, open netlog1.txt with Notepad, copy all lines and post them here.

After you've done the above, start BOINC. (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager)
Now type the following in the command line:
cd\ (Enter)
netstat -bn >> C:\temp\netlog2.txt (Enter)

Then navigate to C:\temp, open netlog2.txt with Notepad, copy all lines and post them here.
6673) Message boards : Questions and problems : us.intellitxt.com Why does bonic connect to this well know adware server? (Message 53094)
Posted 10 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC (the client, boinc.exe) and BOINC Manager (the graphical user interface, boincmgr.exe) talk to each other through localhost, TCP 127.0.0.1
This is data that doesn't leave your computer, it's only circulating on the computer itself. This update, through remote procedure call (RPC) happens once a second on TCP port 31416. That way you can see in real time what BOINC is doing to tasks, downloads etc.

Now, BOINC itself can contact Google. Usually it does this to check if you have an internet connection, when it fails to make contact with the project servers. It then sends a ping to www.google.com, and listens for the answer.

It is possible to change this address, through cc_config.xml, which is why I asked for it.

When your BOINC Manager is making contact to anything else than BOINC, or the BOINC website (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/), there is something wrong. It won't be something that your ISP has done, nor your DNS table.

So then virus-, adware-, spyware- and other malware infections come to mind, not excluded root kits.
6674) Message boards : Questions and problems : us.intellitxt.com Why does bonic connect to this well know adware server? (Message 53092)
Posted 10 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, as as far as I know, that's not affecting it either.

Checking something.
Can you make sure BOINC is set to not start at Windows Login. (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Options->Uncheck "Run Manager at login?"->OK)
Then reboot the computer.
When logged back in, open a command prompt as the administrator: Start->Search->type cmd and now press CTRL+SHIFT+Enter simultaneously. Acknowledge that you want to do this.
In the command line window, type
cd\ (Enter)
netstat -bn >> C:\temp\netlog1.txt (Enter)

Then navigate to C:\temp, open netlog1.txt with Notepad, copy all lines and post them here.
6675) Message boards : Questions and problems : us.intellitxt.com Why does bonic connect to this well know adware server? (Message 53090)
Posted 10 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't find a cc_config.xml in the default install location: C:\Program Files\BOINC. Didn't see any Data directory. Could it be somewhere else?

Default data directory is at C:\Programdata\BOINC\ and it's a hidden directory. But if you just insert that address in Windows Explorer and hit Enter, it'll bring you to there, without needing to set "show hidden files and folders".

To check where your data directory lives, you can also exit & restart BOINC, then see what it says in the event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E).

BOINC was downloaded when I installed SETI@Home, so... from their web site then?

Did you get it from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php? You don't install Seti@Home, instead you have to install BOINC, then add Seti as a project under BOINC.
6676) Message boards : Questions and problems : us.intellitxt.com Why does bonic connect to this well know adware server? (Message 53088)
Posted 10 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please send your boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe to https://www.virustotal.com/, if told that a previous version is already available, tell that you want to (reanalyze) scan your copies of the files.

And can you then post the links that the scans made?
Like these for my boinc.exe and my boincmgr.exe.

Also, where did you download BOINC from?
Do you have a cc_config.xml file in your BOINC Data directory, and if so, can you please post all of its contents?
6677) Message boards : Questions and problems : us.intellitxt.com Why does bonic connect to this well know adware server? (Message 53086)
Posted 10 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've made screen shots of mine:



I'd say, show me yours. :-)
6678) Message boards : Questions and problems : Nate's problem thread (Message 53074)
Posted 9 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600
6679) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.42 released to the public (Message 53072)
Posted 9 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the next person who thinks 7.2.42 has a fix for the screen saver problem, or that any next version will do so and it's not mentioned in the release thread, please always read the release notes.

In the case of 7.2.42, they're strictly:
Changes in 7.2.42

• Fix problem that was causing scheduler RPCs to fail on Yoyo@home (HTTP status code 400)
6680) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cumputer is stuttering while GPU in use (Message 53061)
Posted 9 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are your temperatures these days?
Have you ever cleaned out the dust-bunnies from the inside of the heatsinks and fans of your CPU and GPU?
6681) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU keeps resetting (Message 53059)
Posted 9 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
A resetting science application is not a BOINC problem. You'll have to ask at the project first. It's their science app.
6682) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL on Radeon HD 4670? (Message 53058)
Posted 9 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think your driver is too new. If I remember correctly, the HD4000 range had only OpenCL 1.0 beta support, and they've been deprecated a long time ago. Despite what it says on that page. It's been saying that blurb since 13.1, and you do not want 13.1 as those are borked.

So try 12.10 first. And if need be, work your way downwards, see the cheat sheet for older versions.
6683) Message boards : Questions and problems : Replacement install runs but no credit or mgr (Message 53054)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did the yum install boinc-client boinc-manger and started the client.

When you do a yum install, you install the BOINC version from repositories, which is built and maintained by the package manager of your Linux distro.

Between all the posts you made so far about this, you've neglected to mention which BOINC version it is that you use (boinc --version). This may well help people trying to help you with possible bugs in that version. And since the BOINC version is maintained by the package manager of your Linux distro, the version could be very much out of whack with the version last released by Berkeley.

A lot of the latest versions of BOINC Manager have not been possible to be run on various version of Fedora Core, all from FC14 onwards. But anyway, start with http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Fedora and work your way forwards from there, if you haven't done so already.

or cc_config ???

Even under Linux, as far as I know, there's no var/lib/boinc/cc_config.xml file being made by default. The user normally has to do so himself.
6684) Message boards : Projects : Using HD4000 alongside dedicated GPU: Possible to use it exclusively for a project? (Message 53044)
Posted 7 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Only Ivy Bridge type CPUs and upwards from there have OpenCL support on the built-in GPU, yours is a Sandy Bridge which does not have OpenCL support. Only HD Graphics 2500 and 4xx0 do so far. The 2000 and 3000 are both earlier and do not do OpenCL, only video.
6685) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 installer for OSX crashes (Message 53027)
Posted 7 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could be something wrong with the other host

Well, therefore, try to download it to another location, just in case it's a problem with the disk space it wants to save the file to. Or you can try to put the working installer from the other system onto a USB thumb-stick and, after having it plugged into the problem system, install from there.
6686) Message boards : Questions and problems : feature idea (Message 53026)
Posted 7 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not up to the user to define the deadlines, that's up to the project. It's their data, their science, thus their decision to give you that many days or hours for returning that work.

And if you cannot, for whatever reason, then BOINC its built-in fail-safe will take over, for work that isn't returned by the deadline, will be sent out again to another system that may be able to return it within time.

If there would be an option available for this, it would be misused up the wazoo, for why not increase the deadline so much that it's 5 years in the future on all your work? Give people a finger...

Now, of course, if this option were to be implemented, let's put something against it. For each time you request that the deadline is increased, pay 50,000 BOINC credit.
6687) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 installer for OSX crashes (Message 53024)
Posted 7 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
A bus error is a fault raised by hardware, notifying an operating system (OS) that a process is trying to access memory that the CPU cannot physically address: an invalid address for the address bus, hence the name. In modern use on most architectures these are much rarer than segmentation faults, which occur primarily due to memory access violations: problems in the logical address or permissions.

Sounds to me like you have a corrupt installer on your hands. Try to download it once more, and if given the option, save it to a different location.
6688) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 scheduling issue (Message 53023)
Posted 7 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So that all together would be
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
<cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
<cpu_sched_status>1</cpu_sched_status>
<dcf_debug>1</dcf_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

<cpu_sched>, <task> and <sched_ops> are already checked by default and will always be on, unless the user specifically disabled them through cc_config.xml

William wrote:
accurate rsc_fopos_est values

I was after the <rsc_fpops_est> values, and as far as I know, the <rr_simulation> shows them in the log.

I do not run Yoyo@Home, or any other project on my CPUs. Heck, I hardly run BOINC these days. My PC is quite a bit off, or when it's on, it's during the day and then I don't run BOINC calculations on my GPU. In the evenings I mostly play games, after which I roam the forums a bit, before shutting down.
6689) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 53022)
Posted 7 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.10 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.9 -> 7.3.10

  • MGR: Only dump a crash report if wxUSE_DEBUGREPORT is defined in wxWidgets.
  • MGR: Get assert handler working on Macintosh to log output to the log file on release builds.
    • Fix build break on Mac: wxUSE_DEBUGREPORT is defined as 1 even though wxDebugReport() is not available in wxCocoa built from wxCocoa.xcodeproj.
  • MGR: We need to cast mb_str() calls when using fprintf or some other C Runtime function.
  • MGR: Remove dead code.
  • MGR: Fix single instance detection so that it is compatible with Fast User Switching on Windows and Mac. We are now using wxSingleInstanceChecker which should be compatible on all platforms.
  • MGR & Client: Massive code clean-up. Remove as much of the LoadLibrary/GetProcAddress stuff as we can under VS 2012.
  • client: Fix the CPUID calls for structured extension feature flags, it was clobbering standard support flags on Windows.
  • LIB: Introduce the notion of per-user account log files. Setup the manager, tray applet, and screen saver to use per-user account log files. Technically the default screen saver should be as well.

    Log Locations:
    • WIN : %APPDATA%\BOINC
    • MAC : $(HOME)/Library/Logs/BOINC
    • Linux : $(HOME)/.BOINC



Available installers:


Windows 7.3.10
- boinc_7.3.10_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.10_windows_x86_64.exe

6690) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 53015)
Posted 6 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The wrath of Paul D. Harris, after his banishment from last night for calling the Seti mods fascists?
6691) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52985)
Posted 6 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.9 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.8 -> 7.3.9

  • API: fix bug causing CPU time under-reporting for compound apps. Check options.send_status_msgs before reporting CPU time on exit.
  • MGR: Update Mac precompiled header file for debugging options appropriate with wxWidgets-3.0
  • MGR: Remove obsolete code that should no longer be needed.
  • MGR: same as previous commit.
  • MGR: Setup an assert handler under the wxWidgets 3.x framework, log output to the log file on release builds.
  • MGR: Hookup wxWidgets 3.0 diagnostics framework, redirect asserts to stderr.
  • MGR: Remove what are now over active asserts complaining about pConfig being NULL. Apparently we knew already knew that pConfig could be NULL in certain circumstances and followed up with a check to return from the function if pConfig was NULL, that code was added in 2007. The assert check wasn't really needed after that point.
  • MGR: Update BOINC icon set to v5.
  • MGR: If an assert is thrown while running under a debugger, break into the debugger.
  • MGR: Re-introduce the OnEndSession event handler.



Available installers:

Windows 7.3.9
- boinc_7.3.9_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.9_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.3.9
- boinc_7.3.9_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.3.9_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.3.9_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6692) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 scheduling issue (Message 52983)
Posted 5 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, well, on a normal day explaining what goes on in such logs make my head spin already. But tonight my mind's a total blank. I can ask for the logs, but deconstruct them? No. So I asked Richard to come take a look. Hope he has some explanation.
6693) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.2.39 printer conflict? and In restored backup, BOINC is running old tasks (Message 52982)
Posted 5 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what you did or where it went wrong for you, it appears as if you backed up the wrong directory, or set the wrong backup back. Next time, just backup the data directory, which by default on OS X is at /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/

As for the printer problem, also not a clue. 7.2.39 did have a lot of problems, 7.2.42 is its replacement. You can see if that one still does so strange.
6694) Message boards : Questions and problems : A Query about my PC locking up, after taking control, after running BOINC (Message 52981)
Posted 5 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind passing by on https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 and give a tiny bit more detail, please?
6695) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lattice world (Message 52971)
Posted 5 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any project problems are best asked at the project's forums, not our Projects forums, but in your case the Lattice forums. If you still feel this is a BOINC problem, please be so kind as to post some more information, about your system, BOINC version, logs, etc.
6696) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc stuck on updating (Message 52970)
Posted 5 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to use BOINC 7.2.41 first, as that's the new recommended. If that doesn't fix it, please repost and leave behind a little more information than you did so far, logs and such. See https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8600 for help on that.
6697) Message boards : Projects : O-navi sensor not found in trigger list (Message 52969)
Posted 5 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post this at the QCN forums, it's their application that does the sensor detection, it's their list of sensors. BOINC has got nothing to do with any of that.
Furthermore, your other thread at https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8980 has pretty much that same advice. Reposting your question in a different sub-forum of the same main forums isn't going to help much, doesn't matter where you post it.
6698) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 scheduling issue (Message 52968)
Posted 5 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The reason why we ask for a log with debug flags is not to pester you, but to see what BOINC is actually doing and thinking. It will also show, for instance, how much 'time' the projects give their tasks, what value it is that BOINC has to work with.
For the 13 hours till deadline that you see are nothing, when the tasks have a 'time' value of 1 hour per, and you have a 6 core CPU. Especially when the project underestimates this 'time' value, will BOINC be sitting on them, until it'll run them, maybe in EDF.

So please, once more, when you see such 'weird' occurrence, post a log with debug flags.
Open Notepad, and add into it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

Save to the BOINC Data directory, using Save As..
File path: BOINC Data directory, default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\
File name: cc_config.xml
File type: All files (*.*)
Format: ANSI

Open BOINC Manager.
Open Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), make note of the time.
Advanced view, Advanced menu, Read config files.

Run for a couple of minutes (5 maximum) with that, and copy from where you noted the time, till maximum 5 minutes after. Post the output.

Then change the cc_config.xml file so both above flags are 0, and add <rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>, like so:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
<cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
<rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

Advanced view, Advanced menu, Read config files.

Run for 2 minutes, copy all those lines and post the output.
Now, if you still won't do so, all you do here is rant. You have no proof, it's just your word that we have to believe. Screen shots don't say much in this. Debug output does.
6699) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 52958)
Posted 4 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think that today the admins at Seti do things differently, and they do not have a Tuesday maintenance. It can't be more broke than it already is, so they've decided to give up. :)
6700) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 52957)
Posted 4 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.8 is now in testing phase, available for Windows and Mac.
It has a change that will make a lot of people happy, it will only install the BOINC user accounts and -groups when you install BOINC as a service, no longer in private installation.

But of course, you now have those groups and users on your system, so how to get rid of them? Well, you can go do it manually, but old Jord here has a long time ago written a little script that does that all for you.

To do so, do the following:
Open Notepad.
Copy and paste the lines below into it and then do Save As...
Filepath: Desktop.
Filename: something easy. I just named it bgr.bat for boinc_removal_groups.bat
It does need the .bat extension, as it is an executable batch file.
Format: ANSI
File type: All files (*.*)

@ECHO OFF
Set CD=%CD%
Set SCRIPTDIR=%~dp0
Rem Removing of groups and accounts
ECHO Removing Groups and Accounts
net localgroup boinc_admins boinc_master /delete
net localgroup boinc_projects boinc_project /delete
net localgroup boinc_admins /delete
net localgroup boinc_users /delete
net localgroup boinc_projects /delete

Rem removing User Rights Assignments
ECHO Removing User Rights Assignments
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeNetworkLogonRight -u boinc_master
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeNetworkLogonRight -u boinc_project
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeDenyInteractiveLogonRight -u boinc_project
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeDenyInteractiveLogonRight -u boinc_master
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeServiceLogonRight -u boinc_master
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeServiceLogonRight -u boinc_project
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeDenyNetworkLogonRight -u boinc_project
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeDebugPrivilege -u
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeIncreaseQuotaPrivilege -u boinc_users
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeIncreaseQuotaPrivilege -u boinc_admins
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeAssignPrimaryTokenPrivilege -u boinc_users
%CD%:\ntrights -r SeAssignPrimaryTokenPrivilege -u boinc_admins

Rem Removing BOINC_Master directory
ECHO Removing BOINC Master Directory
cd %homepath%
cd..
RMDIR /S /Q boinc_maste*
chdir /d %SCRIPTDIR%

When you want to run it, right-click it, then do Run as administrator, and acknowledge.
It will only remove the BOINC user groups and accounts, it will not remove the BOINC programs or data directory, nor any registry entries. A reboot is not necessary. Well, not unless you really want to get rid of that boinc_master directory in C:\Users\
For best results, uninstall BOINC before you run the batch file. Then install BOINC 7.3.8
6701) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52955)
Posted 4 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.8 available for testing for Windows and Mac.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.2 -> 7.3.3

  • Mac: fixes to building and linking wxCocoa-3.0.0
    • Ensure that Debug build of Manager uses Debug build of wxWidgets, and Release build of manager uses Release build of wxWidgets.
    • Ensure that wxWidgets is built to use UTF-8 encoding on Mac, to match Mac manager.
  • MGR: Commit new icon templates from Jacob Klein.
  • boinccmd: add --client_version command; don't crash if missing command.
  • Fix for building XP-compatible apps with VS2012, from Jon Sonntag.
  • MGR: Possible fix for excess CPU usage when Manager window is closed / hidden.
    • (Charlie) I think this is safe, but it needs testing to ensure it has no adverse side effects.
  • client & manager: Update icons for all client-side components.
  • MGR: If the desired icon size is missing use the next higher or lower one that is available.
  • client & manager: Update icons for all client-side components. (v2)
  • MGR: Fix how we pass the ISO language code to the CC.
    • Using mb_str() can be problematic if you do not reuse the pointer right away, if the wxString is used in any other way between when you extract the pointer to the data and the data itself the reference is freed and the pointer can end up pointing to something else entirely.
  • client: "Accept-Language", not "ACCEPT_LANGUAGE", in HTTP.
  • Re-enable accidentally disabled check for user activity on not-Android platforms.
  • Mac: In build script, Patch wxWidgets source files to fix crashes on OS 10.5 or 10.6 when built on OS 10.7 or later.


Preliminary Change Log 7.3.3 -> 7.3.8


  • MGR: Fix the calls to SetDefault() for CSkinAdvanced on Mac and Linux.
  • Mac: fix screensaver crash on OS 10.5.
  • MGR: wxSystemOptions::GetMetric doesn't appear to be implemented on the Mac, so hard code the desired icon size to 16x16 for the menu bar.
  • client & manager: Update icons for all client-side components. (v3b)
  • client & manager: Update icons for all client-side components. (v4)
  • MGR: Load missing icon sizes for High DPI systems on Windows.
  • MGR: Remove older icon templates (v1, v2, v3).
  • client/scheduler: NVIDIA compute capability 5 GPUS have 128 cores, not 192. NVIDIA has no plans to provide an API that tells you how many cores; I've asked.
  • client: when not piggybacking work request, explain why in log message (explain reason "don't need").
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: use user-friendly GPU names in log messages.
  • WINBUILD: Remove InstallShield's permission setting mechanism, rely on the SetPermissions custom actions instead.
  • WINBUILD: Only create BOINC related user groups when installing as a service.
  • WINBUILD: Always reset the permissions on the BOINC Data directory.
  • Mac: Fix misplaced character In wxWidgets build script.
  • Mac installer: fixes for Mac installer and uninstaller for BOINC 7.3 series on OS 10.5 through OS 10.9
    • also remove obsolete methods of removing and adding Login Items.
  • MGR: Work around an issue with wxCocoa which prevented BOINC Manager from running if launched hidden (when launched automatically on user login).
  • MGR: Improvements to comments.
  • WINBUILD: Remove the CreateBOINCGroups custom action from the non-service install path. Removes a required reboot on the very first time you install BOINC.
  • WINBUILD: Properly handle the 'All Users can control BOINC' installer flag. Fixes ticket [trac]#1025[/trac].
  • WINBUILD: Fix old icon references, point to the new stuff.
  • Mac installer: update an obsolete comment.
  • MISC: Update all_projects_list.xml for desktop and Android software.
  • MISC: Ignore the BOINCCAS build files
  • scheduler: if gui_urls.xml or project_files.xml don't end with \n, add one. Otherwise the scheduler reply has two tags on one line, which messes up old clients that don't use the new XML parse.
  • MGR: after initial install with acct_mgr_url.xml file, if we automatically showed the Attach Wizard, hide the Manager only if branded for GridRepublic, Charity Engine or Progress Thru Processors.
  • lib: get RAM, CPU, etc. information about BOINC processes even if it is running as Charity Engine.
  • Mac installer: update AddRemoveUser command-line utility for compatibility with OS 10.5 - OS 10.9
    • eliminate obsolete LoginItemAPI code.
  • Mac: delete obsolete LoginItemAPI code.
  • Mac uninstaller: remove reference to obsolete LoginItemAPI.h
  • MGR: Fix save and restore of main window position on Mac.
  • MGR: Still more improvements and simplification of Mac code for wxCocoa 3.0
  • MGR: If user moves SimpleView window, immediately save its new position to registry / config file.
  • MGR: On Mac, clean up properly on logout or system shutdown to ensure preferences file is written.
  • MGR: Another round of improvements and simplification of Mac code for wxCocoa 3.0
    • I found a better way to work around an issue with wxCocoa which prevented BOINC Manager from running if launched hidden (when launched automatically on user login) than the one I implemented in commit 082aff7.
    • This change allowed me to again call the original wxApp::CallOnInit().
    • The original wxApp::CallOnInit() fixed the clean up on logout or system shutdown, ensuring preferences file is written, so I could remove my nasty hack in commit 0aefd62.
  • MGR: Fix broken icon in Advanced Preferences "Exclusive Applications" tab.
    • GetIcon(wxDefaultSize) for wxIconBundle objects uses wxSystemSettings::GetMetric(wxSYS_ICON_X) which is not supported on Mac.
  • MGR: Enforce a 16x16 image for the advanced prefs tab control for all platforms. wxImageList is initialized for 16x16 and would probably throw an error for any other size.



Available installers:


Windows 7.3.8
- boinc_7.3.8_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.8_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.3.8
- boinc_7.3.8_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.3.8_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.3.8_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6702) Message boards : BOINC client : possible problem task switching every hour?? (Message 52944)
Posted 3 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, then it's simple: You found a bug. Automated benchmarks should not happen, unless after a client restart, or after changing the number of CPU cores to use from a low amount to a higher one.
6703) Message boards : BOINC client : possible problem task switching every hour?? (Message 52940)
Posted 3 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That change, from %75 to %100 caused the benchmark to run

Yes, that's a change that I forgot to add in my previous post. You can go lower the amount of CPU cores you want BOINC to run with without consequences, but upping them will need new benchmarks. Still, it's a user action that causes it, not an automation.
6704) Message boards : BOINC client : possible problem task switching every hour?? (Message 52938)
Posted 3 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
it seems that if a cpu benchmark is run then the gpu dries up

???

CPU benchmarks won't be run automatically. Haven't done so since alpha version 6.11.8. They're now only started once every 5 days after a client restart. Since a client restart will remove all remnants of tasks out of memory anyway, they can't interfere.

client: if we successfully did CPU benchmarks, don't keep doing them every 5 days unless restart the client.


So the only way that your BOINC can do CPU benchmarks is if you chose to run an ancient version, or you told BOINC to do a CPU benchmark yourself.
6705) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52931)
Posted 3 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed the new version of Boinc Manager 7.2.42 (x64), I noticed that it has the same problem as the previous version, the screensaver has the exact same problem jumping from windows and screensaver. Possible solution?

Nowhere did we say that 7.2.42 has the screen saver fix. Not in the Release Notes, not in the Version History.

So your only options thus far are to go back to 7.2.33, or still to temporarily set the screen saver to None.
6706) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 scheduling issue (Message 52917)
Posted 2 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what will happen if the config is reloaded.

If done through Advanced->Read config files, it will just instruct the client to use the debug flags from that time forward. Until instructed otherwise. There's no need to restart BOINC for this, as it's not a detection decision.
6707) Message boards : The Lounge : The Elder Scrolls Online (Message 52916)
Posted 2 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, gotta say that the game looks spiffy. We found that the system with the AMD HD 4850 can't play the game when the user has Grass on, as that corrupts the game. Oh well, everything still looks very good without grass. I could even leave BOINC running Seti & Einstein on my AMD HD 7870, in the background of playing this.

I'll put some of the screenshots together that I made and post them here later on. However I am not going to pay 60 euros for just the game and then 15 euros a month to be able to play it online. As that is a per person price, if your other half wants to play it as well, that's 2x60 euros plus 2x15 euros a month. The first month may be 'free', but then 550 euros to buy a game and play it online? Nah.


Anyhow, answers to the question were:
1. In Skyrim, Who lives across from you in Solitude? You had the choice between Addvar, Evette San, the Bard's College and Vittoria Vici. Of course, you'll need to know your house in Solitude is Proudspire Manor.
2. In Oblivion, who is the wife of the Gray Fox? The Gray Fox before you is the Count of Anvil, Corvus Umbranox, so that makes his wife the Countess of Anvil, Millona Umbranox.
6708) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.42 scheduling issue (Message 52913)
Posted 2 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you feel this is wrong, add <sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug> and <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug> to the <log_flags/> section of your cc_config.xml file, let BOINC reload the config file and send the output, plus your complaint to the BOINC Alpha, or BOINC Development email list.
6709) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 52909)
Posted 2 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Warning number so-many. The next month, or so, I'll be spending most of my time on getting the BOINC FAQs up-to-date, moving them to a Wiki, rewriting parts of them, adding to them. This means that I'll be unavailable again through here, or mostly at least. I can only spend my time in full concentration in one place.

I'll start tomorrow (Monday the 3rd) and will see when I am finished. I will probably need some proof-readers, but that'll come when the majority of work is done.
6710) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bonic 7.2.42 - Unable to download (Message 52901)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Working links are:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.2.42_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe for 32bit BOINC with VBox.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.2.42_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe for 64bit BOINC with Vbox.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.2.42_windows_intelx86.exe for 32bit BOINC.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.2.42_windows_x86_64.exe for 64bit BOINC.
6711) Message boards : Android : Android tasks from yoyo@home reset when coming back from suspend(off charger, manual suspend etc) (Message 52898)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can register and post in their Number Crunching forum. It's English. http://www.rechenkraft.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=57

The science application does all the crunching, and therefore also the writing to disk of checkpoints. However, so not to stress out the internal memory too much and have too many writes/timeframe go to it, the application under Android may take multiple minutes between checkpoints.

Also, as I read yoyo's post (yoyo is the main administrator and developer for Yoyo@home), he says that it can happen that a task seems to restart from zero, but that it has in reality started from a checkpoint, just that BOINC doesn't show that.

In any case, you best ask at the Yoyo@Home forums first. It's their application that resets.
6712) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc on ARM devices? (Not Android, generic linux) (Message 52897)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem you face is that you not only need to get BOINC running on that eReader, but after you managed that, that Simap then also has a science application for it. Which they do not: http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/apps.php. The only application they have that is capable to run on an ARM CPU is their Android application.
6713) Message boards : Questions and problems : Nvidia SLI problems (Message 52894)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, apparently, all it took was a restart of BOINC. But your GPUs are found and they're getting and doing work.
6714) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two Quick Questions (Message 52881)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
(Jord, if you are reading. The other FAQ entry says the wobbling effect can be disabled but doesn't tell how. Could a link to the first FAQ entry be added there?)

From Monday onwards the FAQs are going to be redone and moved to a Wiki, so that's one of the things I'll add to the long long list. Thanks...
6715) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not connecting to core client (Message 52880)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally you don't have to assign it, as BOINC should use it automatically.
But you can try to start the BOINC client (boinc.exe) from a command line with the following command: boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach_console

The --detach_console command closes the command line window.
Now start BOINC Manager from the All Projects->BOINC folder.
6716) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 52879)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
A new version of BOINC client is ready for public use.

Bug fix over previous public release:
* Fix problem that was causing scheduler RPCs to fail on Yoyo@home (HTTP status code 400)

Download: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
Release Notes: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes
Version History: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VersionHistory

Thanks to all the alpha testers and community at large for helping us figure this issue out and get a hot fix released.

----- Rom
6717) Message boards : The Lounge : The Elder Scrolls Online (Message 52869)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
How big does it expand to !!!

The 29.4GB number that I mentioned is the end result file. But, it has to be downloaded all, it's not being installed from a compressed archive.

Apropos, even on my 150Mbit connection it took more than 2 hours to download and install all. Mostly because the 4GB patches came in at only 2MB/sec. ;-)
6718) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Move columns. Why not? (Message 52864)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to the developers this should be possible in wxWidgets 3.0, although for Windows only. Macintosh, FreeBSD and Linux versions wouldn't work, unless they get the same support in a later update of wxWidgets.

wxWidgets documentation mentions:
​> http://docs.wxwidgets.org/trunk/classwx_list_ctrl.html#a2a499df49ebcefb3451a44146f76457d
wxListCtrl::SetColumnsOrder?()

and
> Please notice that this function makes sense for report view only and currently is only implemented in wxMSW port. To avoid explicit tests for WXMSW in your code, please usewxHAS_LISTCTRL_COLUMN_ORDER as this will allow it to start working under the other platforms when support for the column reordering is added there.

The amount of work it takes to get this working may be huge, therefore I made it a feature request ticket, [trac]#1341[/trac]. For those slow, rainy days.
6719) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not connecting to core client (Message 52862)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=461 for pointers first.
6720) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple NVidia Cards (Message 52861)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
<cc_config>
    <options>
        <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
6721) Message boards : The Lounge : The Elder Scrolls Online (Message 52860)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Friday, February 28, 12PM EDT to Sunday, March 2nd, 11:59PM EDT Bethesda is opening their new The Elder Scrolls Online game up for a play-test beta. I happen to have an invite for this beta, so I'll be playing it. However, that's not all...

I have a second invitation code that I can give out to a friend. Since all my friends thanked me but had other plans, one of you out here can now be so lucky. But I am not just giving out the invitation code to anyone, I'd prefer it would be a fan of the franchise. So, I'll add a little competition.

But be prepared that you want to do this, as the downside is that it requires that you download and install the 50 megabyte installer and register yourself. Then after you redeem your code, the installer has to download a 29.4 gigabyte game image, including several patches of 4Gb a piece that it has to download separately. You'll need a speedy connection to be able to do so, and lines are congested. And not everyone has a 150Mbit connection as I do.

Anyway, if you feel this is nothing, and you want to play tonight... the first person to post in this thread and answer me these two simple questions, will get the invitation code and full instructions by private message.

1. In Skyrim, who lives across from you in Solitude?
2. In Oblivion, who is the wife of the Gray Fox?

Good luck.

P.S: Yes, the times say EDT, or Eastern Daylight Time. Not my fault, it's what I got in the email. So I suspect you either have to add an hour, or that they really meant EST. :-)
6722) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.39 and "The URL you supplied is not that of a BOINC-based project." (Message 52859)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
A new version of BOINC (7.2.42) is being tested, for Windows only at this moment. Linux and Macintosh versions are to follow, but the problem here is that the developers have already switched over to wxWidgets 3.0 on their machines, so they'll need to make a new virtual machine image with wxWidgets 2.8, to be able to build 7.2 versions.

They also thought the problem was only happening on BOINC 7.3, but finally the message got through that it's the 7.2 recommended that has the problems. With thanks to all that reported their problems here.
6723) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52848)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.42 available for testing for Windows.

Rom Walton wrote:
For anybody running into the 400 error on yoyo, Seti@Home or any other project, can you install 7.2.42 which includes the fix below and run it for a couple of hours?

If things work well, I'll go ahead and release the hot fix tonight.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.39 -> 7.2.41

  • client: Default to /usr/bin when looking for VboxManage.
    Depending on the Linux distro it can be in many different locations, even if it is installed in a different location there is normally a symbolic link in /usr/bin which points to the real deal. Vboxwrapper should be able to run it successfully because it'll be in the standard search path.

  • MGR: Fix how we pass the ISO language code to the CC.
    Using mb_str() can be problematic if you do not reuse the pointer right away, if the wxString is used in any other way between when you extract the pointer to the data and the data itself the reference is freed and the pointer can end up pointing to something else entirely.
  • client: Update project build files for World Community Grid.
  • lib: get RAM, CPU, etc. information about BOINC processes even if it is running as Charity Engine.



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.42
- boinc_7.2.42_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.42_windows_x86_64.exe

6724) Message boards : Questions and problems : Do you get Windows Installer error 1325, 1706, 1714 when updating BOINC? (Message 52846)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two of the great group of people whom I asked to email the developers actually did. Oh well, you know who you are, you're splendid. There's no further need to email the developers, the solution is at hand.

That of course doesn't help you, now reading, with a solution to your problem. True. But the solutions to most of the error numbers are in this BOINC FAQ.

If your error is not among them, please post your problem in the forums. Someone will come by as soon as possible.
6725) Message boards : Questions and problems : UPGRADE????? (Message 52844)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
A request from the developers, they want to check deeper into the problem of BOINC updates going broke due to "Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name" errors.

If any of you has had this problem, or has it now, could you please private message me? I'll then give out the email address of the developer so you can contact him, and tell him what you did to get to this problem.
6726) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc stuck on updating (Message 52841)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, Seti has in the mean time fixed their upload problem. Here, the Cricket graph shows that since Wednesday evening there's been an upload problem with Seti. It's the blue line on the graph.

Any download/upload/reporting problem is most probably server side. Had it been the BOINC version, we'd have found something like that during testing and the version wouldn't have made it out the door. Something like a BOINC client being unable to upload is a major blocker, that isn't taken lightly.

But when the upload server at the project is down or has other problems, there's not much that the client can do to get around that.
6727) Message boards : Questions and problems : Moving BOINC project data from one Windows Installation to another (Message 52834)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes.

But move the data directory first, then install BOINC. This way you make sure that all permissions on the data directory are correctly set.
6728) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc stuck on updating (Message 52832)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC terminology:

Project: Seti, Einstein, Primegrid, World Community Grid, Climateprediction.net, GPUGrid, Malariacontrol.net, Yoyo@Home, etc.
Task: The bit of data which the project science application uses to do the calculations on your CPU or GPU.
(And technically, Result: The bit of data your BOINC tries to send back to the project server.)

In the case of upload problems, always first check at the project itself if they have problems, if there are other people with the same problem. In this case, I want to bet that it is the Seti@Home project. They do have upload problems at this moment. Nothing that you can do to fix that.

Keep an eye on the Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? thread to see if it gets fixed anytime soon. Or just let BOINC do its job and let it retry.
6729) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.2.39 and "The URL you supplied is not that of a BOINC-based project." (Message 52830)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is caused by a bug between wxWidgets, and the new Visual Studio 2010 compiler that was used.

A fix for it is available, in the form of a hotfix, while we wait for a new BOINC to be released.
Rom Walton wrote:
For anybody running into the 400 error on any project, can you give this private drop of BOINC Manager a try?

x64: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgr.180214.x64.zip
x86: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgr.180214.x86.zip


To use the drop, download the correct version of BOINC Manager. You can see if you have a 32bit (x86) or 64bit (x64) version by opening BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager. There it will state if it's a 32bit or 64bit version.

When you know this, download the above compressed file.
Next exit BOINC completely: File->Exit, Check Stop running tasks when exiting Manager?, OK. If you do not see this dialog, and you want to, open BOINC Manager again, then go Tools->Options and check "Enable Manager exit dialog?"->OK, then do File->Exit.
Next open the compressed file, Organize->Select all, Organize->Copy.
Now navigate to your BOINC Programs directory.

Default BOINC Program directories:
Windows 32bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES\BOINC
Windows 64bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES (x86)\BOINC for 32bit BOINC, C:\PROGRAM FILES\BOINC for 64bit BOINC

In there do Organize->Paste.

Next restart BOINC Manager.
Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.

Now you can use the Add Project wizard to add the project of choice:
Add Project->Add project or account manager->Add project button in Simple view.


Or Tools->Add project or account manager->Add project in Advanced view.




Where you can now choose the project of choice as before.
6730) Message boards : Documentation : Please document what installer setting "allow all users ... to control BOINC" does (Message 52826)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, I saw that too. I think it made it into the Charity Engine build, but I don't think it's crossed over into generic BOINC yet.

It's in the Master branch, thus will go into a BOINC 7.3 version.
6731) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installation failed (Message 52824)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
... c:\ProgramData\BOINC which does not exist.

Well, it does exist, it's just that this is a hidden directory. Windows hides C:\Programdata\ by default. You can then either set "Show hidden files and folders", but it's easier to just add the path to Windows Explorer and instruct it to go there. It will.

Error 1303. The installer has insufficient privileges to access the directory C:\Program Files\BOINC. The installation cannot continue. Log on as an administrator or contact your system administrator.

Do know, that this is a Windows Installer error, not something that BOINC throws as an error. The Windows Installer (or *.MSI file) needs either read and write permissions for the programs directory through the SYSTEM group, or through the Everyone group. That it can't do it at some point could be due to another process taking up those permissions at that time.

So then a reboot will fix that, as you've done.

Apropos,
There is no other account.

There's always the system administrator account. The account that you see UAC pop-ups for when certain intrusive actions need to be taken, and the one that is used when you instruct Windows to run something "as administrator". That'll be another administrator than you.
6732) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Small "To Do" For The New 2014 7.2.39 Windows-64 Bit Manager/Client (Message 52823)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is already updated in upcoming versions.
6733) Message boards : Documentation : Please document what installer setting "allow all users ... to control BOINC" does (Message 52822)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
But I do not see HOW it allows all users to control boinc. Does it ...
* add all users to the boinc_users group
Yes, albeit only the users that have an account on the computer at the moment you install BOINC, of course. Any user added later will not be added, that needs a reinstallation of BOINC.
* give read right to the group users
Read and write permission to the BOINC Data directory.
* write a setting somewhere
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup\ENABLEUSEBYALLUSERS 1

Most all of it is still pointed out under http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSetupLogicWinSix, as BOINC 6 was the first range to use these permissions.
In the mean time, I have seen that a change is coming through, one that I will have to look into, to see how that then works. But code changes have just been added to the source code that stipulate that the user groups are no longer made when BOINC is not installed as a service, though this code is only used on initial installation of BOINC.
6734) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not getting new seti@home work units after updates and upgrades (Message 52809)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74200, Astropulse is off line and will be for the next week or more.
6735) Message boards : Projects : how to avoid opengl in collatz (Message 52805)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
the machine runs xubuntu 13.10 so I can't install it as a service

Well, you can, it's called running as a daemon then, but under Linux that wouldn't matter. The GPU is usually normally detected when running BOINC as a daemon under Linux. Only under Windows will the GPU not be detected in that situation.
6736) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Move columns. Why not? (Message 52804)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded your question to the developers and they are looking into possibilities within wxWidgets 3.0 to do so. However, they've told me that if it's a simple thing, they may add it pretty soon, whereas when it is a medium scale project, it may become a trac feature request ticket.

I'll keep an eye on developments (no pun intended).
6737) Message boards : Documentation : http://www.boinc-wiki.info/ is down (Message 52798)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That link was of the Unofficial BOINC wiki. A while back it was apparently taken over by a spammer, and since Berkeley has removed most, if not all, links to it in the back-end software. If you still see it somewhere in the BOINC domain --thus not on any project pages, nor here in the forums-- just let us know, and we'll remove it.

All official BOINC Wiki's live on addresses with boinc.berkeley.edu in the address name, such as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/ for the User Manual and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki for the Projects/Software Development Manuals.
6738) Message boards : Documentation : Please document what installer setting "allow all users ... to control BOINC" does (Message 52797)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already documented in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC and in the BOINC FAQ on how to set up BOINC 7 as a service, while if it doesn't work for some reason, this BOINC FAQ may have a fix for that.
6739) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installation failed (Message 52794)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is not really enough information to go on. So please, explain further. If need be, take a look at this thread for what we may need.

I would really like to know what you set as data directory.
And did you reboot after installing this BOINC + virtual box?
Why can't you reinstall an older release, if there are error messages, what are they?
6740) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inability to attach to project (Message 52787)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes. A new BOINC 7.2 should've already been had, but the HTC/BOINC on Android release threw that release back a couple of days. I'll let the developers know that there's a lot more people with the Yoyo@Home connect problem, so they can rush out 7.2.42 (if I guess correctly).
6741) Message boards : Android : Android issues (Message 52784)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And what, pray the devil, are GUI messages?
6742) Message boards : Android : Android issues (Message 52779)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, your log does state:

Sun Feb 23 06:27:45 EST 2014||don't use GPU while active
Sun Feb 23 06:27:45 EST 2014||don't compute while active

So whenever you fiddle with your phone, BOINC won't do a thing.
As for the log showing anything, that depends on what level of logging you allow for the Event Log. I suppose when it's set to level 0 or 1, there's not much showing.
6743) Message boards : Android : Android issues (Message 52776)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you add a project, and if so, which one?
6744) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inability to attach to project (Message 52773)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager is merely the graphical user interface with which you control and command the client. Updating it, or the client, does not harm any tasks in the data directory in any way. As long as you follow the steps as detailed, w.r.t closing down BOINC completely before doing the update, nothing should go wrong.

The problem at hand is in the Add project wizard, which is part of the BOINC Manager program. A bug between the new wxWidgets 3.0 and the compiler used (VS 2010) caused the problem at hand. The updated BOINC Manager should have that fixed.
6745) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inability to attach to project (Message 52763)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're right, I had typed that on automatic pilot. Have adjusted it.
However, I'm also pretty certain that the new BOINC Manager will fix it.
6746) Message boards : Projects : how to avoid opengl in collatz (Message 52761)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not OpenGL, but OpenCL. The first stands for Open (source) Graphics Language and is used for 3D graphics. The second stands for Open (source) Computing Language and is used to do calculations on the GPU.

You can disable the use of the Intel GPU at Collatz their project preferences, at http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/prefs.php?subset=project, Use Intel GPU.
If BAM! (BOINC Account Manager) does not (yet) support disabling of the Intel GPU at the project, you'll have to ask Willy to add that, through his own forums, at http://boincstats.com/en/forum/.
6747) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inability to attach to project (Message 52759)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just went through old emails, and saw the following on the Alpha email list:
Rom Walton wrote:
For anybody running into the 400 error on Yoyo@Home can you give this private drop of BOINC Manager a try?

x64: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgr.180214.x64.zip
x86: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgr.180214.x86.zip


To use the drop, download the correct version of BOINC Manager. You can see if you have a 32bit (x86) or 64bit (x64) version by opening BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager. There it will state if it's a 32bit or 64bit version.

When you know this, download the above compressed file.
Next exit BOINC completely: File->Exit, Check Stop running tasks when exiting Manager?, OK. If you do not see this dialog, and you want to, open BOINC Manager again, then go Tools->Options and check "Enable Manager exit dialog?"->OK, then do File->Exit.
Next open the compressed file, Organize->Select all, Organize->Copy.
Now navigate to your BOINC Programs directory.

Default BOINC Program directories:
Windows 32bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES\BOINC
Windows 64bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES (x86)\BOINC for 32bit BOINC, C:\PROGRAM FILES\BOINC for 64bit BOINC

In there do Organize->Paste.

Next restart BOINC Manager.
Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.

And let it make contact with Yoyo@Home.
6748) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inability to attach to project (Message 52757)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please before doing anything here, go to my next post first and try the new BOINC Manager.

Can you please open Notepad to make a cc_config.xml file and add into it:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<http_debug>1</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
</options>
</cc_config>

File->Save as..
Filename: cc_config.xml
Save as type: All files (*.*)
Encoding: ANSI
Save path: Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
Windows Vista/Windows 7/8/8.1: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
This directory will be hidden, so just fill the path in directly in Windows Explorer.
After saving check that the only extension is .xml, else rename and take off the extra extension.

Next open BOINC Manager, advanced view, Advanced menu, Read config files.
Next go to the Tools->Add project or account manager->Add project->Select select Yoyo@Home and click OK.
Then open the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) and copy all of the communication lines. Do not remove any of the IP addresses or other information, just post all the here.

Afterwards you can disable the lines in cc_config.xml like so:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<http_debug>0</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>0</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
</options>
</cc_config>

And again do open BOINC Manager, advanced view, Advanced menu, Read config files.

If you have a cc_config.xml file already, add in the lines in the <log_flags/> section. Or post its contents here and ask if someone can add the lines in the correct order.
6749) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager crashes on Greek systems (Message 52751)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, report that on Trac, please.
6750) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inability to attach to project (Message 52750)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, this is not a known problem with any version of BOINC. Without one of these people venturing on here to tell exactly what they did, it's also very difficult to diagnose.

So the questions:
1. How do they attach to the project, through the project list or typing the address?
2. Which Project(s) is this with?
3. Which BOINC version is this with?
4. Are they behind a (corporate)(school) firewall?
5. Are they behind a proxy?
6751) Message boards : Android : Android uninstall - mission impossible (Message 52747)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I uninstalled last night, by going Settings, Apps, BOINC, uninstall, and as far as I can see, there are no remnants left on internal or external storage. But then I did empty my cache before I uninstalled. Did you?

If you didn't, you'll be left with the data directory full of stuff the phone may still want to crunch. Your choices here are to abort all the work (after setting no new tasks, of course), or to detach from the project(s). That way the task data will be deleted, and uninstalling BOINC should now delete the data directory.

But else, I am sure that you can just delete the data directory. If you cannot, you should report that to the BOINC for Android email list at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/boinc-android-testing, as that's where the thing is being developed.
6752) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52745)
Posted 24 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great. Glad to have been of help. :-)

Do know though that clicking the Red-X on the top right corner of BOINC Manager doesn't actually close it. It will only minimize it to the system tray (next to your clock).
6753) Message boards : Questions and problems : UPGRADE????? (Message 52733)
Posted 23 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is a lot of information to go on. So I'll guess you ran into the Windows problem, where Windows forgets where it put the information about the previous BOINC, so that when the Windows installer starts the Windows uninstaller program to uninstall the previous BOINC, it will throw an error.

Nothing so much to do with BOINC. And easily solved.
Just see this BOINC FAQ for options.

Now, if that is NOT your problem, please be so kind and tell us what is, as we cannot look over your shoulder yet to see what it is that you're doing. We're in the process of adding that capability to the BOINC client, but not nearly there yet. So until that time, please follow the when requesting help on these forums lines. Thank you.
6754) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52732)
Posted 23 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Thanks for the further response, heres my answers
boincmgr.exe and boinctray.exe are running
There is no process called boinc.exe running

Well, that is your problem. BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) is only a graphical user interface that makes it easier to command and control the BOINC client (boinc.exe) that does everything: scheduling of when to run-what, work-fetch, caching of work, etc. Boinctray.exe is the BOINC idle detection program.

So, you'll have to figure out why boinc.exe isn't running.
Exiting BOINC Manager (File->Exit->Yes, stop running tasks when exiting BOINC Manager->OK), and restarting it (Start\All Programs\BOINC\BOINC Manager) doesn't stir it loose?

If it doesn't do a full uninstall of BOINC, through Start\Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features, do a reboot, then install BOINC again. Will that make it work?

If that still doesn't make it work, I have the feeling that something on your computer catches the boinc.exe process before it's allowed to fully run. Probably firewall, anti-virus or other anti-malware program in which you didn't set all of BOINC through the exceptions or DMZ.

boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe do need access to each other on TCP port 31416.
boinc.exe needs internet access on TCP port 80 and 443.
6755) Message boards : Questions and problems : seti@home v7 not installed (Message 52727)
Posted 23 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I believe it's either because you have "Seti@home v7" checked at the Run only the selected applications section, or because you do not have it checked. It's just as weird as having the complaint of "Your computer doesn't have an X GPU", where the X GPU is either Nvidia, ATI or Intel, and selecting that you want work for this GPU, while you do not have one in your system, will make the message go away.
6756) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52723)
Posted 23 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Couple of questions then:
1. When checking in Windows Task Manager, is boinc.exe actually running?
2. Which version of BOINC is this? A 32bit version, or a 64bit version? You can check that in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager.
3. Which directory are the BOINC program files saved into? C:\Program Files\BOINC\ or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ ?
4. When doing Start->Search->regedit.exe {Enter}->Acknowledge, then in Regedit going to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup, what entry do you have for DATADIR?
4a. When going to this directory in Windows Explorer, is there any data there?
6757) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC doesn't write in-progress downloads to disk? (Message 52718)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What does the blue screen say? You can check that with Blue Screen View.

As it would be better to solve the cause of the blue screen interruptions first.
I'll ask the developers about how BOINC saves big files.

Apropos, with 'the latest BOINC' you mean which one? 7.2.33, 7.2.39, 7.3.2?
6758) Message boards : BOINC client : possible problem task switching every hour?? (Message 52716)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I may read this wrong in your post, but you're telling us that two tasks were stuck on your GPU, perhaps for 3 days, right? Then how do you expect them to be swapped out for other tasks?

Also, just aborting tasks may not fix the problem where remnants are kept in memory. I would also exit and restart BOINC after such a thing.

Having typed all that, you don't say which BOINC version this was with and what it is you want remedied. For a next time, it's also perhaps wise to use a couple of debug flags to show in the log what is happening.
6759) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install problem with 7.2.39 (Message 52715)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great. :-)

Now, the screen saver problem is known. Information and updates about that can be found in the release news thread. If you run into the screen saver flickering problem, just don't use the BOINC screen saver for the moment.
6760) Message boards : Android : How can BOINC Android Version support SD card storage? (Message 52714)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're asking this in the wrong forum. I'm sorry, we may be the BOINC forum, but the actual BOINC for Android development team can be found in this Google group list.
6761) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52713)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
now cannot get any projects at all

And by projects you mean what? Tasks (the data you crunch) or did you want to add Einstein, Milkyway, GPUGrid, World Community Grid, Primegrid, or any of the other projects?

If you really meant tasks, please post the part of your event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) from what BOINC says when it asks for work from Seti@Home.

You didn't set BOINC to No new tasks? Check that by going into BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Projects tab, select Seti@Home, on the left in the menu you must have a button called "No new tasks". If it's called "Allow new tasks", click it. The button shows the option you have, not the state that it is in. Same goes for the Suspend/Resume buttons.
6762) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install problem with 7.2.39 (Message 52697)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a problem where Windows forgets where it installed the previous version, and it cannot uninstall that version. See this BOINC FAQ for solutions to the problem.
6763) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52694)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The hotfix has been postponed until after the HTC release has been done. I was asked what a hotfix looks like, the answer to that is that it'll just be a new BOINC version that you can install over the previous installation.

When it's available you'll get notification through BOINC, or we'll tell you about it through this forum.

The screen saver problem is a troubling one. I've made a ticket for it at the bug-database, [trac]#1338[/trac].
6764) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 52689)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, a little update.
Those of you keeping tabs on my whereabouts will have noticed I am a little bit more around than I used to. I still do a lot of gaming, though (just played the super-wow Titanfall Beta!), and will continue to do that for the time being.
I'm also in the far-planning stages of moving the BOINC FAQs to the FAQs Wiki. Next month, probably.

As for my health, more precisely the calcaneal spur, that one's back in full force. I managed to get up to 3 hours of walking time a day before stage 14 pain set in. Now that's back to 15 minutes.

I did already order for a new round of ABC therapy, am on the waiting list for that.

Now, first today on the agenda, going to the vet with Wokkel and Twiggles, our two house cats. The cost will be high (100 euros at least), but the drive over there and back will be even more fun. Neither cat likes it much in a car. The last time they were in the car, it took 14 days to get rid of the pee and poo smell. ;-)
6765) Message boards : Questions and problems : Login fail, I am invisible (Message 52688)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are you trying to add, which project?
On the XP box, did you allow BOINC through the firewall?
Have you checked for CAPS LOCK on/off?
Make sure, triple check, that the information is correct. If need be type your user name and password in Notepad, copy these into the account details and adjust them on the working computer.
6766) Message boards : Questions and problems : New install, can't find work units after reboot (Message 52682)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here is a suggestion: I'd like someone to create a "Test BOINC" project. The work units would only do some "dummy" work. They would allow users to check that BOINC properly sends and receives work units and other information, and BOINC shuts down and starts up properly when the user's computer is shut down and restarted.

We (BOINC) had one, but it was abused by people wanting cheap credit. If someone sets it up, they'd better set it so credit is either very very very low per task (like 0.000001) or just non-existent.
6767) Message boards : Projects : Question regarding Quake-Catcher (Message 52676)
Posted 20 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The site is back, and you've had an answer from Les.
6768) Message boards : BOINC client : Work Unit Download Scheduling (Message 52667)
Posted 19 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I presume that your x is their (1), and that your y is their (2), but that is unclear to me (and a project-specific question, I realize)

Newer BOINC versions (all BOINC 7) have these same options in their local advanced computing preferences. But when the project still uses the old values, you'll have to turn them around. So no, in your case then, my X is 2, and Y is 1.
6769) Message boards : Questions and problems : Communicating with BOINC Client Problem (Message 52666)
Posted 19 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
A little understanding on how BOINC its parts communicate between each other. They do this by remote procedure call on TCP port 31416.

So the main parts, boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe need to be enabled through a firewall to communicate with each other on that port.
Separately, boinc.exe needs internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443.

You said you allowed them to be able to get onto the internet. The latter isn't needed, but you must be able to set what ports applications are able to use, or a port-range. Also what they need it for, local network, internet, or just local computer (localhost).

I don't work with VISS, nor with McAfee, so I don't know how to set that up. Probably something like described here, just not for All PCs (but for only this PC?)
6770) Message boards : Questions and problems : Managing CPU usage for different computer situations (Message 52652)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is one of those questions that gets asked every so often, it's one of the top FAQs. All I can say is that it's on the developer to-do list, but no estimate on when it's going to be included, if ever.
6771) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52644)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
This issue was fixed last night and will appear in the next version. The developers are going for a hotfix, due tomorrow. The screen saver problem is a tricky one and may take longer.
6772) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU suspended forever (computer is in use) (Message 52640)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ooh, you're right. It's only in 7.3 (pre-alpha).
Sorry for that.

And thanks. :)
6773) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52638)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok, no need for more of the stderrgfx.txt files. I have been able to reproduce the flicker on one of my systems. Am showing the developers a video now.

As best as I can tell, it is a problem with the BOINC screen saver, as my BOINC has no projects added and it's still flickering like a disco-ball.

Edit: It's a problem with just the BOINC screen saver, as it will do it as well when BOINC isn't running, but the screen saver is set to BOINC.
6774) Message boards : Questions and problems : No file found (Message 52633)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reposting Doug's original post, but with his email address removed. We wouldn't want him to be the target of all that unnecessary spam.
Installing the latest version, even after total uninstall and deletion of temp internet files as suggesting the oh, so insulting FAQ section....installation gets as far as User Account Authorization and unpacking files, then cannot find the .msi file it needs. I've run this as an administrator and just from the normal SETI/BOINC upgrade. At this point, I don't have BOINC on my system and never will. I need a private email to xxx@xxx.xxx from a system administrator to explain how to fix this. Otherwise, SETI can find other computing help. Sorry, but this kind of installation bug annoys the hell out of me.
6775) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52632)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, a request from the developers. The people with the flickering problem on BOINC 7.2.39, please install 7.2.39 again if you went back to 7.2.33, and/or enable the BOINC screen saver.

When you see this flickering, stop the screen saver, navigate to your BOINC data directory. Now open BOINC Manager, take note of which applications are/were running. Look these up in the \BOINC\slots\ directories.

With each of these tasks there should be a stderrgfx.txt file. The developers would like the contents of this file. You can just post it here. his is the output log of the project screensaver, especially if there is an error. (Some project screen savers write to this log even when they run normally, but not all do.)

Some project screen savers may also write a stdoutgfx.txt file in the slot directory; this could also be of interest.

With thanks.
6776) Message boards : API : Run Java Application with Boinc on Linux Host? (Message 52617)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless you manage to develop an application that can do that by yourself, yes, that's what it means.
6777) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU suspended forever (computer is in use) (Message 52615)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please try to update to 7.2.39, which has the Linux idle detection fixed again. Until Linux breaks it again.
6778) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen always lit with Linux Mint 13 (Message 52614)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, with which BOINC version is this? 7.0.27 or 7.2.32 by chance?
Both of those have the Linux idle detection broken. The idle detection method for BOINC running under linux is done through use of xprintidle, that queries the X-server for the user's idle
time.

Juha: Does x-server also take care of things like monitor power saving?
6779) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52613)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm sending all your material in to the developers. Is all I can do.
6780) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52606)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And which projects?
6781) Message boards : BOINC client : Work Unit Download Scheduling (Message 52604)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If BOINC 7.0 or 7.2, BOINC will only request more work when it's going under the minimum work mark of Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least X days. It will then fill the cache for the minimum + the amount of ... and up to an additional Y days amount. So if you find that BOINC only does this at 4.30am, perhaps you should try to play with the values there.
6782) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52603)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I had a chat with the BOINC developers about this. There have been no changes in the behaviour or the code, or the libraries of the screen saver, between versions 7.1.17 and 7.2.39.

Flickering of the screen saver can point towards problems with the driver. Does it only do it with BOINC, or also other (OpenGL) screen savers? Have you tried to renew/reload your driver?

Both of the projects you run are done through World Community Grid, aren't they? Have WCG released a new screen saver/graphics application lately? What, if anything, do they say about it on their own forums?
6783) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.39 released to the public (Message 52595)
Posted 16 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
@filchef:
Could you please state what operating system and brand and model videocard you use? Also on what project(s) you see this behaviour, and which science application(s) run at that time. Which drivers?

@C.A. Chicoine:
Could you please state what brand and model videocard you use? Also on what project(s) you see this behaviour, and which science application(s) run at that time. Which drivers?

With thanks.
6784) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screen always lit with Linux Mint 13 (Message 52593)
Posted 16 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
For me there's an (extra) MagicEco Power Saving Timer On/Off option on my Samsung monitor. If there's nothing in the Energy Saving options in Mint, you may want to check on the monitor itself.
6785) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 52586)
Posted 16 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
just a suggestion...

No. If people don't take the time to read the initial post, they won't take the time to read the full thread title either. Or forget about it. Or they won't care. Or they're too much in a hurry. This isn't the first Project outages thread that we have, and in all I requested that people post without their signature. If you still don't know about this, it's time you learn to read.

There are two threads in these forums where we ask this. One is the Project Outage thread, in which we would only like to have news about project outages, and discussions about these outages. The other is the BOINC Development Discussion thread.

Of course, I can just as well forget about the request of not posting with a signature in the next thread. And then I'll ask John McLeod VII to post a couple of times in that thread, with his signature on. Let's see if people can still see the news about the project outages then, or how quick complaints roll in that there's too much scrolling to be done, between single lines of Project X is out.
6786) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 52585)
Posted 16 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers know about the situation, but are waiting for someone to send them the sched_request_*.xml file for yoyo, from a 7.2.39 installation. Thus far, after the initial hiccup, yoyo works again for those that did report this.

if you feel you can help them out, please do so. The email addresses of David and Rom can be found here.

Apropos, we're asking everyone who posts in this thread to do so without their signature. Can you please edit your post and disable it (uncheck "Add my signature to this reply")?
6787) Message boards : Questions and problems : Communicating with BOINC Client Problem (Message 52582)
Posted 16 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which McAfee package do you use? Does it have antivirus included?
What do you mean with 'have set it to not filter BOINC'? Did you add it as an exception or not? And what did you add as an exception?

You'll have to add boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe, boinctray.exe and boinc.scr
6788) Message boards : Questions and problems : Communicating with BOINC Client Problem (Message 52575)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does the BOINC client start? When checking in Windows task manager, does boinc.exe run?
You can try to uninstall BOINC, then install the newer version. That may also force Windows to re-allow BOINC through its firewall.
If you use another firewall combination, make sure that you allow BOINC through that firewall. Normally done by placing boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe in the DMZ, allowing them to communicate with each other on TCP80/443.

Do you have a lot of work in cache? More than 1,500 tasks?
In that case it's possible that BOINC Manager tries to read them all in, and cannot as it interferes with the real-time update.
In that case, open the Windows registry with regedit.exe, then check that HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager\Tasks has ActiveTasksOnly set to value 1. If it doesn't, change it to 1. Now restart BOINC Manager.
6789) Message boards : Questions and problems : error reading setup initialization file. (Message 52573)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the BOINC FAQs:
It can happen that when you have downloaded the installer file and try to run it, that you get the error Error reading setup initialization file.

This is caused by the BOINC installer not being able to unpack its temporary files in your Temporary Internet files folder. So clean this folder out, delete as much as possible there. Also delete the BOINC installer file.

Then download it again from the BOINC website and start the installation. You'll find it will now install without problems.

See http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/delete-temporary-internet-files on how to clear them.
6790) Message boards : GPUs : Video Card Suggestions (Message 52570)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's no list of videocards. However, with OpenCL1.2 requirement, that means either the built-in Intel products or AMD. Nvidia's stuck at OpenCL1.1 and won't move from there.

So then that leaves the question of your system, mainly what kind of motherboard, the size of your case, the strength of your power supply unit and how big a wallet you have.
6791) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it normal to fulfill all requests but from idle device? (Message 52561)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
But it certainly appears that the server does nothing to fulfill the client priority of avoiding idle resources: I see no indication - even at Einstein, where the server logs are accessible - that the "1.00 devices" in the work request is used to prioritise the server actions.

In an integrated client/server system with shared objectives, surely it should?

Well, in the case of Einstein, they run an old revision of the server software. Are you sure that it knows how to handle the priority/fastest device first requests from the client?

I don't know for sure what other project there is that has applications for all GPU classes, has work for them and uses one of the latest BOINC back-end versions, but for Seti. And there you're hampered by maximum 100 CPU, 100 GPU tasks (no matter the amount of CPUs or GPUs you have).
6792) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it normal to fulfill all requests but from idle device? (Message 52559)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind telling us which BOINC this is?
But in essence, it's the client asking for work for device X, and the server not giving any. That could be a problem with how BOINC asks for the work, but also be with how the server answers. You've asked the same thing at Seti, right?
6793) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52555)
Posted 14 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.2 available for testing for Windows.

Jord wrote:
When you want to run this version and you use a different language than the default your BOINC starts with the first time (usually the language of the country you're in), then be aware that this version of BOINC Manager is built with the new wxWidgets 3.0

This means that BOINC Manager will reset all your previous settings at the time of its first 7.3.2 start. This means that it'll start in the language defaulted for your country, as well as that any resizing you did to the manager window will be reset to default (full) size. Most columns will reset to default size as well.

It'll only do that this once, at the start of this BOINC Manager, at any next version the reset won't happen again.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.1

  • client: fix for idle detection on Linux (from Gianfranco).
  • API, Linux: shared memory between app and graphics app shouldn't be world RW.
  • client, Linux: improve error-checking in idle-detection code.
  • client: compute host CPID as hash of (MAC address, current directory). That way if there are multiple instances per host, they'll get different host CPIDs.
  • Compile fixes for Ubuntu.
  • client, Win: when running GPU detect, use "boinc.exe" rather than "boinc" on cmdline. An alpha tester reported that this fixed an error; not sure why.
  • Mac: Update build script for wxWidgets 3.0.0
  • Windows: Update build script for wxWidgets 3.0.0
  • Linux: Update build script for wxWidgets 3.0.0
  • Mac: update build scripts for OS 10.9
  • Mac: script builds boinc_zip library when building other BOINC libraries.
  • client, Android: run CPU-intensive apps in background mode.
  • client: Default to /usr/bin when looking for VboxManage.

    Depending on the Linux distro it can be in many different locations, even if it is installed in a different location there is normally a symbolic link in /usr/bin which points to the real deal. Vboxwrapper should be able to run it successfully because it'll be in the standard search path.

  • client: work fetch policy tweak.

    If a project has active uploads, defer work fetch from it for 5 minutes even if there are idle devices (that's the change). This addresses a situation (reported by Rytis) where:
    -> a project P has a jobs-in-progress limit less than NCPUS;
    -> P's jobs finish and are uploading;
    -> the client asks P for work and doesn't get any because of the limit;
    -> the client does exponential backoff from P.

    Over the long term, P can get much less than its fair share of work.

Preliminary Change Log 7.3.1 -> 7.3.2


  • client: post a notice if user settings (project prefs, config file, and/or account manager settings) prevent this host from ever getting work from a project.
  • client: remove "can't get work" notices that don't apply anymore; make notice text translatable.
  • client: fix bugs in "can't get tasks" notice.
  • client: fix job scheduling bug that could starve CPUs.

    Job scheduling has 2 phases:

    -> make_run_list(): build a sorted list of runnable jobs.
    -> enforce_run_list() go through the list and run jobs.

    The run list in general contains more jobs than can actually be run. This is intentional. There are lots of reasons why enforce_run_list() might not be able to run a particular job, and we don't know these during make_run_list(). So we need to give enforce_run_list() a surplus of choices.

    The problem: make_run_list() was accounting RAM usage of jobs in the list, and stopping when this exceeded physical RAM. This led to a situation where we added a bunch of GPU jobs to the list - more than could actually be run - and this caused too few CPU jobs to be put in the list.

    Oddly, the comment at the start of cpu_sched.cpp said that RAM usage was ignored by make_run_list(); this was not the case.
    Anyway, I (David) removed RAM accounting from make_run_list().

  • client: fix bug that caused spurious "Request CPU reschedule: RAM usage limit exceeded".

    Problem: we were ignoring the RAM usage of non-CPU-intensive jobs when scheduling jobs, but counting it when deciding whether a reschedule is needed. Ignore it both places.

  • client: if <mem_usage_debug> set, show totals of BOINC tasks.
  • Mac: update build scripts for OS 10.8 or later and current versions of dependent libraries:

    -> c-ares 1.10.0
    -> curl 7.35.0
    -> openssl 1.0.1f
    -> sqlite 3.8.3



Available installers:


Windows 7.3.2
- boinc_7.3.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.3.2_windows_x86_64.exe

6794) Message boards : Projects : Question regarding Quake-Catcher (Message 52553)
Posted 14 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's all explained at http://qcn.stanford.edu/join-qcn/request-a-sensor. Those prices are of course excluding P&P and the cost of the additional hardware it needs to run on (such as a PC, etc.)
6795) Message boards : BOINC client : communication deffered (Message 52548)
Posted 14 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ja, jammer dat ik niet kan zien wat de boodschap van de server nu is, om dat je een plaatje gebruikt, in plaats van een kopie van het log zelf. Kun je de betreffen lijn niet uit stdoutdae.txt liften en posten?

In ieder geval krijg je geen werk van QCN. Waarom dat niet is, is iets wat je QCN moet vragen, het is hun server die zegt dat je geen werk krijgt. Beste is ook om zulke dingen aldaar in het Engels te vragen, want ik denk niet dat Carl, noch Les Nederlands kan lezen en schrijven.
6796) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 52532)
Posted 13 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.3.2 is available for (alpha) testing. When you want to run this version and you use a different language than the default your BOINC starts with the first time (usually the language of the country you're in), then be aware that this version of BOINC Manager is built with the new wxWidgets 3.0

This means that BOINC Manager will reset all your previous settings at the time of its first 7.3.2 start. This means that it'll start in the language defaulted for your country, as well as that any resizing you did to the manager window will be reset to default (full) size. Most columns will reset to default size as well.

It'll only do that this once, at the start of this BOINC Manager, at any next version the reset won't happen again.
6797) Message boards : BOINC client : communication deffered (Message 52525)
Posted 13 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dat hangt helemaal af van welk project dat het is, wat de project preferenties zijn, en of het project in kwestie wel een applicatie heeft die op de Pi kan werken, en of het project wel werk heeft.

"Communication deferred" is trouwens geen foutmelding, maar een informatieve melding dat de communicatie met het project gelukt is en dat de volgende communicatie over zoveel minuten wordt gedaan.

Wat voor berichten geeft BOINC in het Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E op een GUI, stdoutdae.txt bij gebruik van boinc --redirectio)?
6798) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC symbols / symbol search path (Message 52515)
Posted 12 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development. I hadn't done that earlier as I wasn't much around. And the developers don't read here, unless I ask them to. And even then they may not read here.
6799) Message boards : Questions and problems : New to BOINC (Message 52514)
Posted 12 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You would do best to immediately upgrade to BOINC 7.2.39, as this version will (automatically) report all ready to report results to the server every hour, instead of every 24 hours - or every X amount of hours set in the minimum amount of work requested mark.
6800) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52513)
Posted 12 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.39 available for the Public for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

You can download it here. See the release notes and version history for details.
6801) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 52501)
Posted 11 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
@People in general, will you please stop posting with your signature on in this thread? It's not difficult, just uncheck "Add my signature to this reply" before you hit Post Reply, and else edit your post to take your signature out.

This is my last warning about this in this thread. The next people posting with their signature on will have their post(s) removed.
6802) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 52500)
Posted 11 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti Stats have been updated to today, so statistics sites should have the new data soon.
6803) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 52496)
Posted 11 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti project is back (already).
6804) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 52494)
Posted 11 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And then the BOINC domain had a bit of downtime as well. No explanation (as of yet).
6805) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL but no CAL? (2) (Message 52484)
Posted 10 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
AMD has stopped support for CAL in their drivers. Also not sure if they still support it hardware wise on their newer models of GPU. Anyway, you're not alone, here at Seti (I'm pointing to post 1460154 and further in this thread), there's other people with Bonaire style GPUs which don't do CAL.
6806) Message boards : Questions and problems : New install, can't find work units after reboot (Message 52478)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check all the directories and (script) files as shown in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu#What_the_installer_does.

And well, some Linux users always snort at Windows users that they have to reinstall their OS every 5 minutes to overcome such a thing... {hint. Laughs}
6807) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Android drops performace in sleep phone (Message 52475)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know we're the BOINC forums and all, but there's really not many of the developers around, especially not those for Android either. So, perhaps it's easiest to report this behaviour on their own Google list. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/boinc-android-testing.
6808) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rosetta Mac Graphics not working (Message 52474)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you sure that Rosetta has a graphics application for its science application on the Mac? Perhaps best ask at the Rosetta forums first.

The only advice I can offer is to check that you have OpenGL drivers installed. But it being Mac OSX, I would think so.
6809) Message boards : Questions and problems : New install, can't find work units after reboot (Message 52473)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I previously had a version of BOINC modified for Ubuntu installed using Muon package manager. That was version 7.2.7. I got tired of waiting for a new version to become available via Muon.

And you uninstalled that one before you installed the Berkeley version, didn't you? As the repository BOINC and the Berkeley installer install to different places. Also, the repository version will auto-start, while the Berkeley installer version needs to be set up for that.

So you may want to start with Uninstalling repository BOINC, perhaps reinstalling Berkeley BOINC after that.

Berkeley BOINC runs from the home directory, by the way.
6810) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager feedback (Message 52472)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
1) I'm often checking event log after benchmarking or when tasks don't seem to fetch new jobs, I would love it if the event log was a tab instead of in the advanced drop down menu. Disk usage is a statistic that I feel should be consolidated into statistics tab, which would free up a tab for event log.

It used to be a tab, but as per BOINC 6.12 this has been replaced by the Event Log, due to the result of a poll on what new-comers found most difficult about BOINC. High on the list was the messages tab, which was perceived as showing all errors, and what did the user do wrong this time? So it was hidden from sight.

I find it quite useful to have the ability to have the messages side-by-side with the actual tasks tab, better than switching around all the time, having to scroll back again to where I was in the list, etc. But that's personal.

2) I often update projects manually in the projects tab. It would be great if there was an update all button to take effect on your list of projects instead of having to select them individually.

You can select one or more projects simultaneously in the same way as you do in the OS, by selecting one project and while holding either Shift or CTRL, select the next project(s).

In my humble opinion, an Update All button would only confuse, as the actual contact is not going to be going out to all selected projects at the same time, BOINC will do it one after another. Your internet connection might be overwhelmed or seen as a DDoS point if it were to do all at the same time. And mind, it may be doable when you have only 3 projects added, but as in my case with over 55?

3) Is there an "uptime" indicator anywhere? I'd like to see how long BOINC manager has been running since being started.

The Event Log shows when BOINC was started. If no longer in the event log, it will have been stored in stdoutdae.txt in the BOINC data directory. BOINC Manager is no more than a graphical user interface, making it easy for you to command and control the BOINC client. It doesn't do any of the command decisions, such as when to run what, or which project downloads work next, that's all done by the BOINC client.

However, there is a file called time_stats_log which shows all starts, connections and such that happened since the inception of the file. The times are in Unix time, so you may want to use a Unix time convertor.
6811) Message boards : Web interfaces : Where would I find files for parsing stats? (Message 52462)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I said, userID and email address. No two userIDs can make use of the same email address. Most stats sites I know of use the userID, although that is a per-project value, so userID4 at project A can have userID 77 at project B and userID 210438219823 at project C (if he got in a bit late).
6812) Message boards : Projects : Climate@Home email system is broken (Message 52459)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You cannot delete an account yourself, but for an admin this isn't a problem. (mysql> DELETE from [table name] where [field name] = 'username';)
6813) Message boards : Web interfaces : Where would I find files for parsing stats? (Message 52454)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume the cpid is the unique ID each user will have, right?

Well, not so unique. It'll change whenever the user adds a project to crunch. The only true unique thing is the email address that the user uses.

If this is correct, where would one obtain this cpid value from?

Not sure if it's correct to do it that way, but both the userID and the CPID of that userID are in the user_id.gz file per project.

To see what the CPID entails, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/CPID

(It's 3:22am for me as well, btw. I'm waiting for a couple of large files to be copied to my NAS. ;-))
6814) Message boards : Web interfaces : Where would I find files for parsing stats? (Message 52452)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
All projects have their independent statistics, which are just XML files that can be downloaded from the project. Normally by taking the project URL and just adding /stats/ to the end of it. (Not a .php or .htm or .html page!)

So, for instance, https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/stats/, or http://www.malariacontrol.net/stats/, or https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/.

Also see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditStats for more information.
6815) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with BOINC 7 install on Centos6.5 (Message 52432)
Posted 7 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ageless, I have been able to successfully run Boinc 6, however it will never see the GTX 690 card. From what I understand I must run Boinc 7 in order to perform GPU crunching.

You ran BOINC 6.4, which was the very first version that did Nvidia (only) detection (2009). The 6.12 I pointed out is from 2 years later (2011), and has a lot of fixes, including also being able to detect AMD GPUs and whether or not either brand was OpenCL capable.

The AMD GPU detection method is different from how Nvidia GPUs are detected. Whereas AMD GPUs need to be declared within the BOINC client, Nvidia GPUs can be read through the drivers and from the graphics processor itself.

And since that didn't change much between 6.12 and 7.0, or 7.2, you can easily get your 690 detected with 6.12
6816) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How Do I Limit a Project's Task Download (Message 52424)
Posted 7 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
At Rosetta's project preferences you can tell how long the tasks should run, at maximum (Target CPU run time). Perhaps you may want to change it to an hour, or so.

Apropos,
A week or so after download, BOINC starts running these Rosetta files exclusively, as high priority, regardless of my 80/10/10 resource share setting.
Not despite, but because of your 80/10/10 setting, as what else did you expect would happen when a project has a 10 RS, a lot of work, and a (reasonably) short deadline? BOINC will always try to finish all work in cache before their deadline.
6817) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC has troubles handling proxy on Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) (Message 52421)
Posted 7 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does your institution allow something like BOINC? Best ask them for permission first.

Then you'll want to check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration, more specifically the <force_auth>auth_method</force_auth> option.
You can also set up your proxy through here, with the <proxy_info> option.
6818) Message boards : Projects : AlmereGrid and AlmereGrid TestGrid - Boinc (Message 52416)
Posted 7 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
??
Neither is on the official list at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php or on the list in the User Wiki at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list, or in the list in BOINC Manager, so not sure where you see them, that you want to have them removed. If on any of the statistics sites, you'll have to ask there.

Also, do know that anyone can use the BOINC software, it's open source. Berkeley can not enforce in any way who can use it and who cannot, and stipulate how they should use it.
6819) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with BOINC 7 install on Centos6.5 (Message 52407)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think that there is anyone out there that managed to get BOINC 7.* working with both CPU(s) and GPU(s) on CentOS 6.5; else it would be easier to find.

The whole problem is always that the necessary libraries aren't available for CentOS, and that it's not possible to build BOINC 7 with older libraries. So really, I doubt you'd find something better than How to run the BOINC Client on CentOS (about BOINC 6.12 on CentOS 6).
6820) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer just powers down when BOINC is running. (Message 52405)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
One thing I noticed before this started happening, though, was that BOINC can't work at 90% at my computer. It runs a while, then pauses, then runs a while, pauses, and so on. I don't know if that's how it was made to work, but it can't keep a constant 90% (nor with a small error margin) CPU usage.

That's how BOINC CPU throttling works, by suspending work and resuming it. On a 50% charge, that'll be run a second, pause a second, etc. On 90% that'll be a 9 second run, 1 second pause.

If you want to run a sustained 90%, you'll have to use a third party application such as Threadmaster, or see if TThrottle does it.
6821) Message boards : News : New BOINC installer includes VirtualBox (Message 52401)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
While I used a specific example in my post, my real question is a general one: what is the order of events that one might expect to happen with the VirtualBox + BOINC combination? I could not find ANYWHERE an outline of what to expect.

Probably because this differs from project to project. You will have to ask at the project you're running or wanting to run, what to expect. I cannot give you an answer on that, as I don't run any of the projects with VBox.

The only project detailing what you can expect is Test4Theory, but their method of how things are done can differ from how other projects use the technology.

The general thing is that BOINC starts the Virtual Box environment, and that the science applications and tasks run in that environment. Most probably running a form of Scientific Linux. Whether or not you can see the progress of the task in VBox is up to the project.

Depending on where the project is with regard to development, their application will communicate back to the BOINC client what's happening, which will then show in the Task tab in BOINC Manager. If not, it's probably a bug on the project's part and you'll have to report that to them.
6822) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects not switching ever. (Message 52392)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
LHC doesn't have an application for Mac OS X, only for Windows and Linux: http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/apps.php

So that's probably why.
You may want to check at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php which projects do have Mac OS X support. Do check at the projects themselves for other requirements and whether there's work to be had.
6823) Message boards : Questions and problems : OSX 10.9.1 problem (Message 52385)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you try to just reinstall BOINC?
Have you read the Readme.rtf file in the BOINC programs directory for clues?
6824) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 52384)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

It looks like we are making some progress on collecting test results. So far everything looks good. As soon as we are over 95% coverage we'll go ahead and release the build to the public.

It looks like we need some Win Vista, Mac OS X 10.6, Mac OS X 10.7, and Linux results and we should be good to go.

If you have any of the above systems, please report test results to:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/

If you do not already have a BOINC Alpha account, you can create one
here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/create_account_form.php?next_url=home.php

Once we are done with this build we will begin testing BOINC 7.3/7.4 which includes a refresh of all the libraries we depend on as well as a new way to view notices. Going forward we should be able to finally view pictures and stuff in notices. For some types of feeds, maybe even videos.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6825) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does BOINC report tasks that errored out as completed? (Message 52355)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
How else is the project's database to know that you've had a problem with the task at hand? Remember that uploading & reporting is a two stage thing, where uploads when they happen only move data between your drive and a drive at the project; reporting tells of the outcome of tasks that were appointed to you by the database.
6826) Message boards : Questions and problems : OSX 10.9.1 problem (Message 52343)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you reinstall BOINC after upgrading to OSX 10.9.1?
6827) Message boards : News : New BOINC installer includes VirtualBox (Message 52342)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
PS: How, exactly do you manage to install an image in here, anyway? All the IMG button seems to do is give you a [IMG] to mark off the image, but nothing seems to actually add the image itself.[/img]

You'll have to use an external site to store the image file and then link to it there. You can store images for free at Imageshack, Photobucket, Imgur, etc.
6828) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest git seems to be missing stddef.h? (Message 52334)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's what I meant, but now I wonder where I got that other link from. I checked my bookmarks, but there it lists the *lists.* address. Sorry for the confusion.

Ah, found the culprit. It's bad links in one of the sticky threads by Kathryn. Will ask her to adjust those.
Edit: Kathryn has adjusted the links. Thanks Kat!
6829) Message boards : News : New BOINC installer includes VirtualBox (Message 52327)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps the project is out of work. Always best ask these questions on their forums, or check if there are actually 'tasks ready to send' at their server status page. Currently there are none.
6830) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest git seems to be missing stddef.h? (Message 52326)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best report this stuff on the BOINC development email list, at http://www.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev. The list needs registration.
6831) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer just powers down when BOINC is running. (Message 52325)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now then, as you may have noticed, none of the usual 'ignorant folks' who selflessly help around here are touching your thread with their bare hands, let alone asbestos gloves. I'd like to ask you to tone it down a lot, if you want to get help here, or be off help here.

Well then, with that out of the way, two things:
You mention the error beep code when it powers on. What do you mean with that, and if it's really an error tone, don't you think it's wise to look up what it may mean? Not all computers give a single bleep anymore these days to tell you all is OK, that is usually stated in the motherboard manual. Else on the motherboard manufacturer site, or the BIOS/EUFI manufacturer site. Or take a quick look at http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm and see if it's on there. Do check what BIOS you have before thinking it's always a DRAM refresh failure.

Second, usually when the PC goes off when the system is under (severe) load, this points to the power supply unit being either old, or too weak to be of sufficient use. What brand and model PSU do you have, and how 'heavy' is it?

Now, there are PSU calculators out there on the internet, such as here and with less options here. I just filled in some numbers there, guestimating what you have in your PC additionally to what you told us, and both sites tell me that the minimum required PSU for that system is a 300Watt PSU.

You may already have such a PSU, but then the question becomes how old it is. How much has it had to do the past so many years?

Enough homework, I would say.
6832) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android app continues to run on battery (no longer suspends) (Message 52309)
Posted 3 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't see the same thing on the Dutch translation, so perhaps you're right and it is a problem with the German translation. You best report about it at the Google group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/boinc-android-testing

See this thread started by Joachim on a similar subject.
6833) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android app continues to run on battery (no longer suspends) (Message 52307)
Posted 3 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
And that's with "Show advanced settings" checked?
You don't have any Energy section?
6834) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android app continues to run on battery (no longer suspends) (Message 52303)
Posted 3 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, which options DO you have?
6835) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Memory Problem (Message 52295)
Posted 2 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please take a look at this thread when it comes to asking for help and giving information. If you don't want to give the info, we're not going to force you to give it, but then we'll not be able to help out and you'll be stuck with your problem as well.
6836) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incorrect "Total disk space" detection (Message 52273)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So the 10TB drive is a network storage, not a local one?
6837) Message boards : Questions and problems : Incorrect "Total disk space" detection (Message 52270)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is the 6 GB limit enforced or is just a cosmetic bug?

No disk quotas. No RAM drives. BOINC starts from huge volume.

Now, I've done this on my Windows box, where the programs directory lives on a whole different drive, let alone partition, from the actual data directory.

The Programs directory lives on a 984.50GB partition on a 2TB drive.
The Data directory lives on a 244.14GB partition on a 1TB drive.

Output of boinccmd --get_disk_usage:
======== Disk usage ========
total: 262147145728.000000
free: 150990749696.000000

Now, depending on how you installed BOINC (Berkeley installer, repositories, or self-built), you'll have to check whether the data directory (/home/boinc/, /var/lib/boinc-client/, /var/lib/boinc, or elsewhere) doesn't live on a partition that's 6GB big that sits on /vol/home2

So on /vol/home2 do fdisk -l (explanation command) (manpage fdisk)(that's an 'el', not a 'one').
6838) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory Issue (Message 52247)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, let it run then for 12+ hours and redo the listing. You can leave out mentioning Chrome. Although having 5 tabs open and using 1.2GB RAM isn't something I'd think is a good browser. My Pale Moon with 5 tabs open uses ~516,000KB.

Anyway, at the next log, mention all the minirosetta processes.
Also tell what boinc.exe, boinctray.exe and boincmgr.exe are using.
6839) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory Issue (Message 52245)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Total credit 1,025,182
Recent average credit 551.90

Nice values, but it's not what I asked for.

But OK, in Windows Task Manager, go to the Processes tab, if need be resize it so you don't have to scroll too far, make sure you have memory sizes showing (View->Select Columns->check Memory - Working Set and Memory - Commit Size).
Click ONCE on the Working Set (Memory) column header.
Now check the Image Name column and tell me what uses the most memory. It should be one of the processes at the top, perhaps more than one.

Just write down their names on a piece of paper, and type that over here.
6840) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory Issue (Message 52243)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
How do you tell how much work? I'll try to insert a screen shot.

Don't do so difficult. Either Rosetta@Home will tell you on the tasks page in Your Account, or perhaps it's easier to count them in BOINC Manager_>Advanced view->Tasks tab.

Windows task manager and also a memory screen gadget both agree on memory usage.

And how are you sure that BOINC uses that much memory?
Which process uses that much memory?
6841) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory Issue (Message 52241)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project(s) do you run?
How much work do you have for the project(s)?
Where do you see that you use so much RAM?
(Side question, but how do you get 9GB of RAM?)
Is your BOINC set to run based on preferences? (If not, any preference such as memory usage is ignored).
6842) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a portable version 7 for windows? (Message 52237)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm satisfied with it, but it keeps downloading GPU tasks for Seti even though I don't need them (no GPU on my work computer).

That must be due to you having a GPU at home then. You can set in your Seti@Home Project Preferences that you only want to receive CPU work.
If need be make a separate venue for the computer ID you're using there.

Having said that, despite having no admin rights and going through a proxy, do you have permission from your boss to run BOINC on the work computer? As the first rule of BOINC is Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.

People have been fired over running BOINC on work computers without permission. And then sued by their ex-bosses to get electrical bills/decrease in value paid back.
6843) Message boards : BOINC client : Android cannot use BAM (Message 52229)
Posted 30 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
and got "nativeboinc" which I assume is the official boinc.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.boinc is official BOINC.

Native BOINC (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.boinc.nativeboinc) is not.

See the difference in address?
Also, NativeBOINC states in its disclaimer:
Main site of the project available at http://nativeboinc.org/. Site of the publisher is http://www.boincpolska.org.


Official BOINC is numbered 7.2.xx just as the versions for PC are.
NativeBOINC seems to be numbered 0.4.4.2.3
6844) Message boards : Projects : why so much different in boinc point reward between different project? (Message 52225)
Posted 30 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No thanks. This stuff isn't staying on my system for too long. I was just testing it, but my attention span has waned already.
6845) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 52211)
Posted 29 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Their VM crashed and they haven't got a clue what caused it or how to fix that.

Jonathan Miller wrote:
There has been what appears to be a complete failure of the Virtual Machines that host our websites and upload servers.

We have had no information about what might be wrong, nor any indication of how long it will be before they are back.
6846) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 52208)
Posted 29 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
We've released version 7.2.39 of BOINC.

Changes include:
- Revert back to the original CPU throttling scheme.
To test: use CPU throttling and compare results with 7.2.33 or older.

Please report test results using the BOINC Alpha Test web site:
http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/

You can (and should) report positive as well as negative test results.
Please include test results for any of the visible areas of test you are able
to test. This information helps us decide when versions can safely be released to the public.

The complete test matrix can be found here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

The first time you use the BOINC Alpha Test web site, you'll need to create an account. Please let us know if you have any questions or problems.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom
6847) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL (Message 52200)
Posted 28 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, uninstall BOINC through Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features and reinstall it, this time uncheck "Service Install" in the advanced section of the third screen of the installer.
6848) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52198)
Posted 28 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.39 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Mac.

Rom Walton wrote:
We've released version 7.2.39 of BOINC.

Changes include:

- Revert back to the original CPU throttling scheme.
To test: use CPU throttling and compare results with 7.2.33 or older.

Please report test results using the BOINC Alpha Test web site: http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/

You can (and should) report positive as well as negative test results.
Please include test results for any of the visible areas of test you are able
to test. This information helps us decide when versions can safely be released to the public.

The complete test matrix can be found here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

The first time you use the BOINC Alpha Test web site, you'll need to create an account. Please let us know if you have any questions or problems.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.38 --> 7.2.39:

  • client: <cpu_sched> shouldn't show suspend/resume msgs for CPU throttling.
  • client: fix bugs in accounting elapsed time.
  • client: don't use sub-second CPU throttling.

    The developer forgot that the wrapper has a 1-second poll for suspend and resume, so sub-second throttling won't work properly for wrapper apps. Revert to a variant of the old scheme, in which the min of the suspended and resumed periods is 1 sec. Also, fix task start/suspend/resume log messages.



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.39
- boinc_7.2.39_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.39_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.39
- boinc_7.2.39_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.39_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Macintosh 7.2.39
- boinc_7.2.39_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.39_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.39_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6849) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL (Message 52197)
Posted 28 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You now have BOINC 7.2.38?
Could you please show its start up messages?
6850) Message boards : Questions and problems : No Usable GPU GTX 760 (Message 52192)
Posted 28 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wouldn't know what a Windows reinstall would fix in this matter. It's a hardware cannot communicate with its drivers and vice versa problem.
If they truly think it's something broke in Windows, you could try sfc /scannow from an elevated command line prompt first.

Start->All Programs->Accessories->Right click Command Prompt->Run as administrator->Acknowledge or give password; type sfc /scannow in the command line window and hit Enter. make sure you have the Windows DVD ready, it may ask for it. Also know that after this you may have to run Windows Update, as any files that were replaced are old ones.

But, just to see if it isn't GPU-Z, could you try GPU Caps Viewer and clinfo.exe
The latter can be found at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/clinfo.zip
How to use:

Run clinfo.exe from a command line window.

Start->All Programs->Accessories->Right click Command Line->Run as administrator->Acknowledge.
In the command line window, go to the directory you saved and unzipped clinfo.zip in, then start clinfo.exe by typing clinfo and hitting Enter.

If you want the program to output to a text file, do clinfo >> clinfo.txt, which will output all the info that else scrolls in the command line window into a text file in the same directory as the clinfo.exe program starts from.

So, e.g. you have unzipped clinfo.zip to C:\temp\
You then do in the command line window:
cd\temp {Enter}
clinfo >> clinfo.txt {Enter}

You can now open clinfo.txt with Notepad in the normal way through Windows Explorer and post the output in a window here.
6851) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL (Message 52191)
Posted 28 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you swapped, did you uninstall the videocard drivers, power down, swap out the cards, restart the computer, install the new videocard drivers?
6852) Message boards : Projects : why so much different in boinc point reward between different project? (Message 52187)
Posted 28 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am trying to get it to work, have followed the (bad) instructions to the letter, but have found so far that:
a) Rocket science is easier.
b) BOINC setup without any documentation is easier.
c) The GUI Miner is missing no matter what you try.
d) The writer of the 'documentation' doesn't know how to use 'its'.
e) It runs on a full core, and sometimes even more. Not a problem for me at this time, as I only run Seti & Einstein on my GPU, and that only when I feel like it.
f) I wonder if it even works with these two projects. The Wallet speaks of Malariacontrol.net, RNA World, Rosetta@Home, Docking@Home and Milkyway@Home.
g) Funny, clicking on any of the projects in the Wallet opens up Internet Explorer, which goes to the web site. We ignore the default setting of Pale Moon then, ey?

I'll leave it running for a bit here. Am waiting for a phone call anyway.

Edit: Don't leave it running in the background while gaming. It'll interfere severely with load times and cause graphical lag.
6853) Message boards : Questions and problems : No Usable GPU GTX 760 (Message 52184)
Posted 28 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which drivers are you trying to install? Ones from Nvidia themselves, or ones from Windows (Update)? If the latter, these lack the necessary components.

You may want to completely clean out any previous drivers prior to installing the Nvidia drivers.

Apropos, you did install the motherboard chipset drivers?
6854) Message boards : Projects : why so much different in boinc point reward between different project? (Message 52175)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think we can say that boinc credit have a value...

So? What is the value of one BOINC credit then?

I asked David (Anderson) about this and he answered me:
A while back I approached the Bitcoin people with the idea of them granting Bitcoins for BOINC credit (instead of the power-wasting computation they currently do). They didn't want to do this because it's contrary to Bitcoin's
fully-distributed philosophy and architecture.

Nowhere on the Gridcoin pages does it say anything about them using BOINC credit, or that you can exchange your credit that you got from another project, for Gridcoins.

Thus, as far as I can see BOINC credit has no intrinsic value. And I deeply hope it stays that way, as else we really have renewed credit wars where people will barge onto unsuspecting projects and demand that they raise their prices (or better said, in this case prizes), or else...
6855) Message boards : Questions and problems : mining with an APU (es:AMD A8-6600K) (Message 52174)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
more slow than the cpu itself?

Actually, yes. The CPU has as a quad core, 4 OpenCL compute units. The APU has only got 2.

As a comparison, my Radeon HD7870 GPU has 20 OpenCL compute units. The GTX660 that Rebirther points out will have between 15 and 21, depending on which version one has.
6856) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL (Message 52165)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't say that you had to install BOINC as a service. Have you read the description of the Service Install? If not, I refer to the image I gave above.
"Run project applications under a privileged account. This provides increased protected from faulty applications, and on Windows, it will prevent the use of any applications that use the graphics chip (GPU).

Before you ask when this will be fixed then, it isn't something for BOINC to fix. It's a security measure instated by Microsoft.

Or as a good (nameless) friend of mine wrote some time ago:
The benefit of installing as a service is that BOINC can run even if no one is logged onto the machine as all services are started at bootup before user logon.

Therein lies the issue with Windows Vista and newer; Microsoft has tried to reduce the number of crashes that bring the entire system down, so they moved the sound driver and video driver out of the kernel space (Ring zero) and into the user space (Ring three) so that, even if you have a driver crash, it can be recovered without rebooting the entire system.

Because of this change, only a basic video driver is loaded during boot to display the boot process. The enhanced functions of video cards aren't loaded until after the user logs into the machine. Thus, the crunching capabilities of a GPU aren't loaded until after the user logs on, and since BOINC is already running, it cannot use those extra functions.

In order for device manufacturers to have their drivers certified to run on Windows, and Microsoft has enforced driver signing so that poorly written drivers that do not pass Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL) testing, each vendor must submit their driver for testing to Microsoft and meet Microsoft's requirements so as to improve the stability of the platform.

Since it is cheaper and easier to submit a single driver, most vendors have been getting their drivers passed and back-porting the certified driver to older OSes, such as Windows XP (which preferred driver signing, but didn't enforce it).
6857) Message boards : Projects : why so much different in boinc point reward between different project? (Message 52163)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps you already can ...

No, you get paid in Gridcoins, not in BOINC credit. So the BOINC credit is still without value. Very slow webpage at that 'project', and I use quotes around the word, as the isn't exactly much information on that site. Unless you want to spend hours to read through all the PDF files.
6858) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL (Message 52156)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I though it was because the installer installs BOINC in Program Files (x86) by default, so I forced the installation in Program Files folder (64 bit one). The problem still there.

Actually, the installer checks the registry for if an earlier BOINC was installed, and if so where. If you had a 32bit BOINC installed before, it would've installed to the C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ directory and stored that value into the registry.

The installer doesn't know what the contents of the database are that it carries. It cannot see if it is a 32bit or 64bit program. So when it finds a value already filled in at this point, it'll take that and will try to install to that directory.

That's where the user comes in to check everything before the actual install, and as such you can press Advanced in the third screen in the installer and change the install paths of the programs directory and the data directory, as well as set some flags for when you want to use the screen saver, install BOINC as a service and give permissions to others to control BOINC.

6859) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks staying suspended despite PC being idle (Message 52155)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers are looking into it. None of the BOINC versions available at this time will have a fix. If there is a fix to be found soon, it'll be in 7.2.39 or above.
6860) Message boards : Projects : why so much different in boinc point reward between different project? (Message 52149)
Posted 26 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's up to the projects how much credit they want to give out per task. Despite numerous attempts to get the BOINC credit to be the same all over the BOINC realm, and to automate this, the fact that BOINC is open source plays havoc in this. Any project administrator can decide to disable the automated credit and add his own.

So, there are projects which pay a lot, there are projects that pay normal, there are projects that pay very little. At the end of the day it doesn't matter much, as you can't do anything with the BOINC credit. You can't put them in the bank, you can't pay with them in the store, you can't exchange them for bitcoins.
6861) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL (Message 52143)
Posted 26 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Richard Haselgrove
Your software has no output, I had no time to copy/paste anything. But I took a screenshot which may interest you : http://imageshack.com/a/img15/9853/az26.png

Run clinfo.exe from a command line window.

Start->All Programs->Accessories->Right click Command Line->Run as administrator->Acknowledge.
In the command line window, go to the directory you saved and unzipped clinfo.zip in, then start clinfo.exe by typing clinfo and hitting Enter.

If you want the program to output to a text file, do clinfo >> clinfo.txt, which will output all the info that else scrolls in the command line window into a text file in the same directory as the clinfo.exe program starts from.

So, e.g. you have unzipped clinfo.zip to C:\temp\
You then do in the command line window:
cd\temp {Enter}
clinfo >> clinfo.txt {Enter}

You can now open clinfo.txt with Notepad in the normal way through Windows Explorer.
6862) Message boards : GPUs : ATI GPU R600 (R38xx) does not support OpenCL (Message 52112)
Posted 23 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a combination of AMD recycling their GPU codenames with a message set by the server at Milkyway@Home. They check for what GPU version is sent back by BOINC, to give you that message.

So at first you'll have to report this to Milkyway, as it's their message (Message from server).
You may also want to try to use BOINC 7.2.38 --the present alpha version. This one definitely has code that will put the R9 280X in the correct category:
case 20:
            gpu_name="AMD Radeon HD 7870/7950/7970/R9 280X series (Tahiti)";

For links to BOINC 7.2.38 and the change log leading up towards it, see post 52011 in the Change Log thread.
6863) Message boards : Questions and problems : Max tasks (Message 52106)
Posted 23 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would like to know if it is possible to limit the number of tasks downloaded by a project when the manager is requesting new tasks ?

First off, the Manager doesn't do much of anything. BOINC Manager is the graphical user interface that makes it easier to control the underlying client, which does all the command decisions, including that of asking for work.

Work is asked, based on:
- the value set for "Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least X days";
- the values set for Resource Share between the different projects that you added;
- the amount of projects that you added;
- the amount of CPUs/cores that you tell BOINC to use;
- the amount of GPUs you have and allow BOINC to use;
- whether you allow BOINC to run always, or only when the computer is idle;
- whether the computer is on 24/7 or only part-time;
- the value set for "... and up to an additional Y days".

And probably some other factors that I neglect at this time. In any case, your question is probably where you can set that BOINC should only download 4 tasks, and the answer is, that there isn't any such place to set this. Well, other than the first value, of "Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least X days". Does BOINC not use the "... and up to an additional Y days" value? Not for deciding to request more work, BOINC 7 only uses "Maintain" as the low water mark. Go below it and BOINC will top up the work cache with enough work that's based on all of the values above, plus the "additional" value.

So, set your values for "Maintain" and "additional" to something normal.

Also do know that the work request is done based on a debt-system, where BOINC will try to balance the amount of work done between two or more projects with the same resource share. This means that if you ran project A already for 2 weeks, then added project B, that project B will try to catch up to project A in terms of work done, before balancing out. In case of CPU work, you'll probably see this as see-sawing between project A and B, with only one of the two projects having work in cache at the time.

You can check how much debt projects have against each other, by opening BOINC manager->Advanced view->Projects tab->Select any of the projects->Properties->scheduling priority. The project with the highest (nearest to zero) SP will be run next.

When they're perfectly balanced, they'll both show -0.00
6864) Message boards : Questions and problems : traces of boinc (Message 52090)
Posted 22 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If for Windows, see http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=490.
6865) Message boards : Questions and problems : cc_config, appnames (Message 52070)
Posted 21 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there is no way to wildcard application names. But then, is it really that much trouble to add an extra line in cc_config.xml?
6866) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 52068)
Posted 21 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's when the Vogons will come.

Hold on, weren't it the Breen?
6867) Message boards : Questions and problems : Use HDD for BOINC work files instead of SSD (Message 52059)
Posted 21 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since you're using the version from repository, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu on where this version puts everything now. You'll want to change the working directory in /var/lib/boinc-client/ for BOINC data files and the slots and projects directories.

You may want to check in /etc/init.d/boinc-client and /etc/default/boinc-client for configuration option files.
6868) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc having "nothing to do" for World Community Grid on Android (Message 52054)
Posted 20 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please ask about it in http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/listthreads?forum=580. There will be people there who can tell you in a minute which applications run under Android and which do not. WCG is a multi-application project, not all applications are suited for Android devices.
6869) Message boards : Questions and problems : Test4Theory@home Virtual Machine (Message 52053)
Posted 20 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or just follow all the blue text within the red text at http://lhcathome2.cern.ch/test4theory/. It's what it's there for.
6870) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI@Home Frequency-Power-Time graph from graphics not showing (Message 52037)
Posted 19 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti graphics are a Seti problem. Mostly only seen on Intel devices. See http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69101 and post to it, if necessary.
6871) Message boards : Questions and problems : NSA-Free projects ? (Message 52023)
Posted 18 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I doubt that the NSA uses BOINC for anything. They've got their own super-computer, they don't need volunteer computers to do anything for them. Which means that there are no NSA projects. Or none that we know of, at least. Perhaps that the NSA runs BOINC internally.

If you do not want that the NSA or any other intelligence office gets to know what you do, the only way is to go black. This means no internet, no telephone, nothing to do with computers (banking, library, electricity, gas, water), just you and yourself, the clothing on your back. And even then they may have a satellite that can see you.

But are you interesting enough?
6872) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52011)
Posted 17 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.38 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Mac.

Rom Walton & Charlie Fenton wrote:
We've released version 7.2.38 of BOINC.

Changes include:

- CPU throttling (the "Use at most X% CPU time" preference) is no longer applied to GPU apps.
To test: use CPU throttling and check that GPU apps run at full speed. You can use a GPU monitor like TechPowerUp GPU-Z for this.

- Fix bug in elapsed-time accounting when CPU throttling is used.
To test: use CPU throttling (say, 50%) and verify that the elapsed time of CPU tasks increases smoothly, 50% as fast as real time.

- For apps that don't report fraction done, estimate it based on elapsed time and task parameters, in such a way that fraction done always increases.
To test: attach to a project whose apps don't report fraction done.
NOTE: I don't know of any such projects. If you do, please post to the alpha email list.

Please report test results using the BOINC Alpha Test web site: http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/

You can (and should) report positive as well as negative test results. This information helps us decide when versions can safely be released to the public.

The first time you use the BOINC Alpha Test web site, you'll need to create an account.
Please let us know if you have any questions or problems.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.37 --> 7.2.38:

  • client: job scheduler tweaks to avoid idle CPUs
    -> Allow overcommitment by > 1 CPU. E.g. If there are two 6-CPU jobs on an 8 CPU machine, run them both.
    -> Prefer MT jobs to ST jobs in general. When reorder the run list (i.e. converting "preliminary" to "final" list), prefer job J1 to J2 if:
    1) J1 is EDF and J2 isn't.
    2) J1 uses GPUs and J2 doesn't.
    3) J1 is in the middle of a timeslice and J2 isn't.
    4) J1 uses more CPUs than J2.
    5) J1's project has higher scheduling priority than J2's ... in that order.

    4) is new; it replaces the function promote_multi_thread_jobs(), which did something similar but didn't work in some cases.

  • client: fix problems related to CPU throttling.
    -> Don't throttle GPU apps. GPU apps spend all their time in a critical section, during which they can't be suspended. They length of these critical sections (i.e. of GPU kernels) may be a significant part of a second, or more, so sub-second throttling isn't possible.
    -> Account elapsed time correctly when throttling is used.
    -> Also (not related to throttling) don't schedule a job in QUIT_PENDING or ABORT_PENDING state. Doing so results in 2 processes in the slot dir, and can cause the job to fail.

  • client: Fix compiler warning (unused static function).
  • client: if app doesn't report fraction done, estimate it.
  • client: if app doesn't report fraction done, estimate fraction done in a way that converges to but never reaches 100%.



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.38
- boinc_7.2.38_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.38_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.38
- boinc_7.2.38_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.38_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Macintosh 7.2.38
- boinc_7.2.38_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.38_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.38_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6873) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 52004)
Posted 16 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.37 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Mac. (January 8, 2014)

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.36 --> 7.2.37:

  • MGR: Remove outdated comments.
  • client: fix bug that caused lots of spurious "no shared memory segment" msgs.

    ACTIVE_TASK_SET::suspend_all() originally skipped tasks in states other than PROCESS_EXECUTING. I took this out in commit 47b4d6b because - for example - a GPU task might be suspended due to CPU throttling, and therefore left in memory, but if it's then suspended for some other reason, it must be removed from memory.

    However, this change was overkill - it causes tasks for which no process exists to be suspended, resulting in the spurious msgs.

    Solution: skip tasks in states other than PROCESS_EXECUTING and PROCESS_SUSPENDED.

  • lib: make run_on_batteries false for all platforms by default.



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.37
- boinc_7.2.37_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.37_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.37
- boinc_7.2.37_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.37_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Macintosh 7.2.37
- boinc_7.2.37_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.37_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.37_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6874) Message boards : Questions and problems : Fedora 20 with mate (Message 51997)
Posted 15 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try:
dll boinc-manager

That's dee-el-el.

But you don't really need to run the manager, you can do all that by command line as well.
See the command line options and the BOINCCMD (BOINC Command) tool for more options.
6875) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager with BoincStatsBAM! doesn't start elaboration and trasfer (Message 51990)
Posted 14 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
The proxy setting (http only) are ok.

Apparently not, as BOINC seems to be in a continual state of trying to get information from the projects you've added. Your computer hasn't gotten a hostID number yet at any of the projects, nor does your BOINC seem to be able to get the initialization files from the projects.

14/01/2014 12:54:44 | http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/ | URL http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100
14/01/2014 12:54:44 | http://climateprediction.net/ | URL http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100
14/01/2014 12:54:44 | http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100
14/01/2014 12:54:44 | http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100

14/01/2014 12:54:44 | | Using proxy info from GUI
14/01/2014 12:54:44 | | Using HTTP proxy gateway.zscaler.net:9400

14/01/2014 12:54:45 | http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/ | Fetching scheduler list
14/01/2014 12:54:52 | http://climateprediction.net/ | Fetching scheduler list
14/01/2014 12:54:58 | http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ | Fetching scheduler list
14/01/2014 12:55:04 | http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ | Fetching scheduler list

So, open Notepad and add into it the following lines:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<proxy_debug>1</proxy_debug>
<http_debug1</http_debug
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

In Notepad do File->Save As...->set the save to directory to C:\Programdata\BOINC\, set Save as type to "All files", set encoding to ANSI, set File name to cc_config.xml

Next open BOINC Manager->Advanced menu->Read config files.
Next click the projects tab, select any of the projects (just one, please) and click Update.
Then open Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E) and copy all that information and post that here.
6876) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 51987)
Posted 13 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are there any near plans to consider assigning tasks to gpu based on Compute Units.

BOINC doesn't assign anything according to internal parts of any piece of hardware, it will only do:
CPU? OK, if the project has an application for your CPU, I'll schedule work for it.
GPU? OK, if the project has an application for your GPU, I'll schedule work for it.

If anything were to assign tasks based on amount of compute units, it would be the science application first, as that will have to decide if it wants to use all stream processors, or only a few. Thus also if it wants to use all compute units, or only a few. And only if the project has an OpenCL application, and then only if that application can actually run on the CPU or GPU, or maybe in the future on both at the same time.

So you'll have to ask at the project of interest first.

Now, throttling based on amount of compute units might be possible to be done by BOINC, I'll forward that request to the developers. But appointing tasks to CUs is definitely done by the project's science application.
6877) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager with BoincStatsBAM! doesn't start elaboration and trasfer (Message 51986)
Posted 13 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
By default, BOINC will only allow project applications to start calculations when the computer is idle. That is, when there is work from any of the 4 projects.

In the global preferences at any of the 4 projects, check for the options Suspend work while computer is in use? and Suspend GPU work while computer is in use? The latter preference depends of course on whether you have a capable GPU and the project does anything with GPUs or not.

It's also possible that you're (already) using local preferences, these override the global preferences on the local computer. In that case check for these settings in the computing preferences in the Tools menu.

And else, post the first 30-40 lines of the event log after a clean start-up of BOINC. That'll give us a lot more information than you can type.
6878) Message boards : Questions and problems : Freeze on Samsung ATIV Book 9 Plus with latest Win8.1 and BOINC 7.2.33 when GPU is not suspended (Message 51978)
Posted 12 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
See also https://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=10505.
6879) Message boards : Questions and problems : Freeze on Samsung ATIV Book 9 Plus with latest Win8.1 and BOINC 7.2.33 when GPU is not suspended (Message 51976)
Posted 11 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wonder if Einstein folk know about this.

They do. You posted right after Bikeman (Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein), Forum moderator, Project administrator, Project developer in the thread over at Einstein.

So, all I can do is to keep Einstein suspended on such laptops. Too bad.

You can run it on the CPU(s).
You can try to roll back to a previous (non 10.xx) driver version. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=23106 has 9.18.10.3257 (inside the 15.31.17.64.3257 version package).

This software driver package will install the Intel® Iris™ and HD graphics driver for:

Intel® Pentium® Processor 2000/3000/G2000/G2100/G3000 Series
Intel® Celeron® Processor 900/1000/2000/G1000 Series

3rd Generation Intel® Core™ Processors with:
Intel® HD Graphics 4000/2500

4th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors with:
Intel® HD Graphics 4200/ 4400/4600/5000
Intel® IrisTM Graphics 5100
Intel® IrisTM Pro graphics 5200
6880) Message boards : GPUs : Onboard ATI GPU visible, not working (Message 51970)
Posted 11 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
If there isn't a dummy VGA plug or a monitor attached to the not used GPU, it won't be detected. But then, not sure what project or projects you run, but the AMD Radeon HD 3300 can't be used at (m)any projects anyway, mostly because it will lack the necessary workgroup size. Since that is something internal in the GPU and cannot be upgraded through software or drivers, you have to wonder if it's worth it to get it to work.

Added to that, most projects use OpenCL instead of CAL, and neither of your GPUs shows that it's OpenCL capable. That's because the HD3300 isn't OpenCL capable, but the HD5450 is, or should be.

Added to all that, I don't know what Catalyst version the driver 1.4.1734 is, but if it isn't one downloaded from the AMD driver site, then go there first and get the latest available, or at least the 12.2-12.10 version. Don't get 13.1, it'll have a bug in that breaks OpenCL capability on a lot of systems.

It's also a good idea to completely clean out the old GPU drivers before installing the new ones.
6881) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unable to connect using 7.2.33 (x64) (Message 51961)
Posted 10 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
All of that is blank, because BOINC Manager cannot make contact with the BOINC client. BM is just a graphical user interface that allows you to easily command the client. The client does all the hard work, and will log everything and keep track of what task runs and which is to start next, etc.

So when BM can't make contact with the client, it can't show any of that information and therefore everything is blank.

When you get the message that BM can't make contact with the client, it should give you an option to retry. In the option fields that you get then, the top one should have the computer name, or IP address. The bottom one the password (if that applies). Normally leaving either field blank and pressing OK will fix things, but not for everyone.

This is always due to some restriction (software, aka firewall, anti-virus, anti-malware, a combination of those; but also a virus or trojan or worm) on the user's computer, for if it weren't, and it were a bug, there'd be hundreds of people asking about it around here.
6882) Message boards : News : New BOINC installer includes VirtualBox (Message 51954)
Posted 9 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I had written a whole explanation about that in the Release Notes in the official Wiki, but then David went and removed all that, as it was apparently not of need that you need to know. You being general you, not you personally. Shrug.
6883) Message boards : Questions and problems : Virtual Fortran run-time error (Message 51920)
Posted 6 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please report that to ClimatePrediction on their own forums. It isn't a BOINC error. BOINC isn't programmed in Fortran, but in C and C++.
6884) Message boards : Questions and problems : Security Warning on Home Pages of Some Projects (Message 51898)
Posted 5 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not the World Community Grid, they have their own forums. The 'attack' message you get, has probably to do with the certificate that both WCG and Seti have on their HTTPS connection. The warning is there because, at least in the case of the Seti project, it uses a "self-signed" SSL certificate, i.e. they don't have $500 to Verisign it. You can usually ignore the message and allow the certificate.

As for points versus credits, WCG uses points, BOINC uses credits. There are 8 points in a credit.
6885) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows Server 2012R2 issues (Message 51890)
Posted 4 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't need to install VirtualBox, if you don't plan on using it. The other download option on the download page is only the BOINC installer (~9MB).

BOINC 6 and 7 are incompatible with domain controllers, due to the fact that DCs use a global account option, whereas BOINC only works with local accounts. So in that case you can install BOINC 5.10, although there are people who claim they have BOINC 6/7 working on their DC, but none that I ever found that told us in so much detail how he did so.

As for the rest, I'll notify a developer to come take a look.
6886) Message boards : Questions and problems : Last version for OS X 10.3? (Message 51887)
Posted 4 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I guess another question would be, why does the official download page use an older version, when the newer one seems to be compatible with more projects?

A lot of the 'newer versions' are alpha and beta versions, with a lot of bugs in them. The official download page only shows the recommended versions, the download all page shows the latest Alpha version as well. The DL site is just an archive of all older versions that have ever seen the light of day.

The last one that will install on OS X 10.3 is 6.10.21, as per the change log 6.1 - 6.10:
BOINC 6.10.22 released for testing for all platforms

7 December 2009
Charlie
- Mac installer: If user tries to install on OS 10.3.9, display an alert and quit


And why that was done? Probably because of:
3 December 2009
Charlie
- Mac client: update build scripts, XCode project for curl-7.19.7 and c-ares 1.7.0

and
4 December 2009
Charlie
- Mac MGR: Fix crashes on OS 10.3.9 due to accessibility APIs implemented on OS 10.4


The developers can only build one version of BOINC for all platforms, so if OS X has moved to 10.4 by then on the Power PC and that causes crashes on on pre-OS X 10.4, then sorry, but not going to build a version for each release of OS X. If need be, you can always try to build it yourself.
6887) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer crashes regularly (Message 51886)
Posted 4 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you ever cleaned out that machine? As when you run 24/7, it'll suck up dust, which goes and sits in all nooks, crannies and fans, thereby adding lots of heat and making the machine slower and/or crash.

Ever checked temperatures, with a program such as Core Temp, or more BOINC specialized, TThrottle? GPU temperatures can be checked through GPU-Z.

Of course, just walking away is the easiest method. But if you don't try to solve the problem, anything else will eventually cause it to crash as well.
6888) Message boards : Questions and problems : VM set-up error (Message 51882)
Posted 4 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed VM.

Great!
But which one? Brand/version number?
On what operating system?
What were your intentions with it?

During initial set-up, I must not have configured it completely because when I try to start it, I get the following: 'Fatal: No bootable medium found! System halted.'

If you only installed a virtual machine program but nothing else, and you're not pointing to an (external) ISO or other image file, then you'll need to install an operating system inside the VM you want to run.

Also, upon reading the benefits of running tasks in VM, it leads one to believe that Linux is the preferred OS to use when doing so. Should all tasks be run in Linux or does it not matter which OS?

Depends on what you're actually trying to accomplish, so let's start there. What are you trying to accomplish? To speak with Johnny 5: need more input.
6889) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the virtual box for ? (Message 51881)
Posted 4 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/VirtualBox writes:

The following projects currently have VM apps:
Beauty@LHC
Climate@Home
RNAWorld
Test4Theory
6890) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51871)
Posted 4 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.36 available for testing for all platforms.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.34 --> 7.2.35:

  • MGR: work around a problem sizing the URL TextEdit field in the Attach Wizard Project Info page when a larger default font size is selected on Windows.
    I don’t understand why this “fixes” it and I suspect there is a better solution.
  • MGR: Fix drawing of Task Control on Windows.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.35 --> 7.2.36:


  • MGR: Prevent zero-size window in a rare situation where registry values have accidentally been set to zero.
  • MGR: Reverse commit a1fb470 (Fix drawing of Task Control on Windows) to fix build break; that change was for use with wxWidgets 3.0 only and should not have been ported to this branch.
  • client: Fix typo which had no actual effect in practice.
  • client: fix bug that caused idle GPUs when CPU throttling used.
  • client: if have a non-English language, set ACCEPT_LANGUAGE in all HTTP requests.
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: fix bugs involving CPU throttling and GPU apps.

    Suspended tasks can be either left in memory (LIM) or removed from memory (RFM). CPU throttling always uses LIM. Other types of suspension (e.g. user request) use LIM or RFM depending on user prefs, except that RFM is always used for GPU tasks.

    There was a bug: if tasks were suspended because of CPU throttling, and then the user suspended activity, GPU apps would remain LIM. They need to be RFM.

  • client: allow <file> in app_info.xml

    In a checkin on 20 July 2011, I changed <file_info> to <file> in client_state.xml. However, the code that parses app_info.xml still requires <file_info>. This means you can't copy and paste stuff from client_state.xml to app_info.xml. Fix: parse either <file> or <file_info> in app_info.xml

  • client: when write file upload error XML to stderr, include user-friendly string.
  • client: report tasks within 1 hour of completion... instead of 24. Better user experience at the expense of slightly increased server load.



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.36
- boinc_7.2.36_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.36_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.36
- boinc_7.2.36_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.36_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Macintosh 7.2.36
- boinc_7.2.36_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.36_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.36_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Android 7.2.36
- boinc_7.2.36.apk

6891) Message boards : The Lounge : What is the license of the BMP logos? (Message 51870)
Posted 3 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson. Email address at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectPeople.
6892) Message boards : The Lounge : What is the license of the BMP logos? (Message 51868)
Posted 3 Jan 2014 by Profile Jord
Post:
GNU Free Documentation License 1.2.
6893) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not working on my Mac at all (Message 51816)
Posted 25 Dec 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're giving too little information for any of us to be able to help you, so please take a look at this thread for some pointers of what is needed.
6894) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the virtual box for ? (Message 51814)
Posted 25 Dec 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the Release Notes: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes#BOINC_.2B_VirtualBox_installer

People will badmouth any software they're unfamiliar with, that's something people do and that no one will be able to prevent. You can still download BOINC without VBox from the same download page. It's not that it's only BOINC + VBox that's available from there.

You're correct that there wasn't any mention of the network disconnection in the release notes. An oversight that's now fixed.
6895) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51806)
Posted 23 Dec 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.34 available for testing for Windows, Linux. (5 December 2013)


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.33 --> 7.2.34:

  • client: fix bugs with CPU throttling and GPU apps.

    Various bad things could happen when CPU throttling was used together w/ GPU apps.
    Examples:

    -> on a multi-GPU system, several GPU tasks are assigned to the same GPU.
    -> a suspended GPU task remains in memory (tying up its GPU resources) while other tasks try to use the GPU.

    The problem was that parts of the code assumed that suspended GPU processes don't exist - i.e. that when a GPU task is suspended it's always removed from memory.
    This isn't true in the presence of CPU throttling.

    So David made the following changes:

    -> When assigning GPUs to tasks, treat suspended tasks like running tasks (i.e. reserve their GPUs).
    -> At the end of the CPU-scheduling logic, if there are any GPU tasks that are suspended and not scheduled, remove them from memory, and trigger a reschedule so we can reallocate their GPUs.

    Also, a cosmetic change: in the resource usage string shown in the GUI, include "(device X)" even if the task is suspended (i.e. because of throttling).
    Also: zero out COPROC::opencl_device_indexes[] so we don't write a garbage number to init_data.xml for non-OpenCL jobs.

  • MGR: Store the ISO language ID for future use.
    Usage: wxString strLang = wxGetApp().GetISOLanguageID();
  • MGR: Bug fix to my previous commit, initialize string after we initialize the wxLocale object with the proper locale information.
  • Client and Manager: make notices translatable

    -> Add a GUI RPC ("set_language") that lets the Manager communicate the user's selected language code to the client at startup.
    -> The client stores the language code in the client state file.
    -> The client appends a "lang=X" GET argument to the URLs from which notices are fetched.
    -> The next steps (not done) are 1) to change the get_notices.php script to parse the argument and do translation, and 2) extend our Pootle system to allow volunteer translation of notices by all projects.



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.34
- boinc_7.2.34_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.34_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.34
- boinc_7.2.34_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.34_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

6896) Message boards : The Lounge : Merry Christmas all, and the best wishes for 2014 (Message 51805)
Posted 23 Dec 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Merry Christmas all, and a happy New Year! With the best wishes for 2014. And that your year may be a productive, good, enjoyable, festive, fertile, bold, fiendish, musical, social, BOINCable, wishful, commanding one.

From his lounge-chair,

Jord.
6897) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51798)
Posted 20 Dec 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Things are looking up. I may dash in and out over the next couple of days. Perhaps one or two answers a day. But, still not here that much, and my computer is predominantly turned off. I'll keep it like that for the next few blue moons.
6898) Message boards : BOINC Manager : error 1402 on repair or remove installation (Message 51797)
Posted 20 Dec 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is not a BOINC error, but a Windows one. It's a problem with the Windows registry permissions that got corrupted. See this thread at Microsoft Answers, or this write-up for possible fixes.
6899) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51607)
Posted 30 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per the immediate minute, I am quitting BOINC. I've already unsubscribed from all the email lists and sent in my resignation to the developers. Not sure if this is temporary or for all time, we'll see. Bye all.
6900) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux screen saver (Message 51603)
Posted 29 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry to post this off topic, I probably should do this in a private message, but I am sure I am not the only person wondering this, and it is a rather big annoyance, thus here goes: pray tell, why do you quote whole big posts and then answer them, without culling the quoted post, or answer in-line to parts of the post?

Do you know how difficult this makes it to scroll through this thread on a smaller monitor, or a small handheld device? And even then, why use the Quote button? The Reply button comes first. Plus the person posting just prior to the post you just quoted in total should know what he or she wrote, so it's completely useless to quote the whole damn thing.

It's surely not the first time you did it in this thread, or on any forums (I saw this one in this thread and this one at Seti on my Samsung Gio, which has a really tiny display size).

You do know that when you Reply to the person, that his post sits under the answer window? That you can scroll down to check what you answer to?
You also know that even if you must Quote all, to be able to scroll up&down while writing an answer, that after you do so and before you hit submit, you can delete the whole part in the quote tags?
6901) Message boards : Questions and problems : i686 instead of x64 client and graphics (Message 51598)
Posted 29 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is why we have this thread, which explains what we ask for details and such, and for a clear explanation of what the problem is.

Yours is nowhere from clear.
6902) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51577)
Posted 27 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.33 is now recommended. It contains the fix for the crashing BOINC Manager when Notices with images are sent. It also contains a fix to start using the exclusive applications immediately when added through the computing options, without needing to restart the client.
6903) Message boards : Questions and problems : When boinc runs, it kills my graphics and fps till i restart. (Message 51567)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind passing by on this thread to read up on what minimal information is needed to be able to answer your question? For info of Windows 8 and frames per second is not enough.

Minimum:
- Hardware used.
- Project or projects which affect this.
- What 'graphics'?

Edit: (lol, I'm lacking in speed. Anyway, now you've been asked twice)
6904) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51551)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.33 upgraded to recommended for all platforms.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.28 --> 7.2.33:

  • MGR: Disable downloading image files in notices.
  • LIB: Disable the ability to download images within notices.
  • client: Give a visual indication of a hot fix.
  • MGR: Disable downloading of all file types. POGS is also using a script to generate an image.
  • client and manager: the set_cc_config and get_cc_config GUI RPCs had nonstandard replies, which weren't parsed correctly by the calling code.

    The reply from a GUI RPC that don't return info is one of:
    <success/>
    <error>error message</error>
    <status>N</status>



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.33
- boinc_7.2.33_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.33_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.33
- boinc_7.2.33_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.33_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Macintosh 7.2.33
- boinc_7.2.33_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.33_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.33_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6905) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51550)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.32 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.30 --> 7.2.32:

  • Move thread.cpp,h from lib/ to client/, to remove dependency on pthread in libboinc.
  • MGR: Disable the download of all embedded content within a notice.



Available installers:


Windows 7.2.32
- boinc_7.2.32_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.32_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.32
- boinc_7.2.32_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.32_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Macintosh 7.2.32
- boinc_7.2.32_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.32_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.32_i686-apple-darwin.zip

6906) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 51549)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I'll be switching the public release over to 7.2.33 which contains one additional fix over the current public release.

The additional fix is for properly handling the exclusive application dialog in the UI.

----- Rom


Rom Walton wrote:
Here is a link that describes all fixes applied after the 7.2.28 tag:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/client_release/7.2/7.2.28.1

The same fix appears in 7.2.32, 7.2.30, 7.2.29.

I'll probably wait until Charlie has had a chance to build the Mac client before updating the website.

I wanted to get it out there that .33 is a hotfix release and does not contain the other changes that are slated for the second 7.2 public release.

----- Rom
6907) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51548)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks for the worries. I have a sweet girlfriend --Holly-- who walks me tea, OJ, water, soup, a hot water bottle and keeps a general eye on me.

The fever's now down to max 38.5C. I'll keep calm and quiet for another day or so and then it should be gone. With my voice, as the cough is now frightening and extremely painful. But, nothing I never had before. :-)
6908) Message boards : Questions and problems : no tasks and only trying 2 projects (Message 51547)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not going to ask anything about debug flags and more information, since you didn't see it fit to give any of that in the first place, and you are an already established poster around here, so should know how this thing works when reporting purported bugs.

So all I'm going to do is ask you to remove the Bo Inc Doc signature for as long as it only sports spam. There's no Wiki at the end point, only Most Popular Sites for COMPUTER SOFTWARE, aka lots of links to spam. It's like the Unofficial Wiki, wiped off the face of the earth.
6909) Message boards : Questions and problems : install of 7.2.31 fails (Message 51546)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the BOINC FAQ Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name on this very subject.
6910) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager not using default web browser When Chrome is installed (Message 51545)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
From How to set up your default browser in Linux?

In the Linux version of BOINC Manager, if you try to click on the links to the project web pages and you get an error message about not being able to find BROWSER or BROWSER not being set then you need to do the following -

edit /etc/profile to include the following -

BROWSER="/path/to/browser"

export BROWSER

- where /path/to/browser is the executable path to your browser. To find out what this is open a terminal window and type whereis browser - so if your browser is firefox you would type whereis firefox. The result is your executable path, which maybe something like /usr/local/bin/firefox.

In this case the exact code you would add to /etc/profile would be -

BROWSER="/usr/local/bin/firefox"

export BROWSER
6911) Message boards : BOINC client : Android cannot use BAM (Message 51544)
Posted 26 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wrong conclusion. Just because you didn't manage to get it to work, does not mean that BOINC for Android does not support BOINC Account Manager or any other account manager.

So simply said, you are either doing it wrong, or you found a bug.
The screenshots from the developer show how to add BAM and a project. If you think you found a bug, please report it to the Android Google email list. Instructions for how to become a member of that list can be found here.

Do know if you think it's worthless to report this, I ain't going to do it either.
6912) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trying to get the IntelGPU to run apps (Message 51529)
Posted 25 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 3000 does not support OpenCL. Only the 2500, 4000 and 4600, so far.
6913) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trying to get the IntelGPU to run apps (Message 51527)
Posted 25 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your intel GPU was not detected. Have you installed its drivers? These may not be the same as the drivers for the OpenCL support for the CPU.
6914) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51467)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the mean time, Rafcio, I see that in your long log you also show:
Rafcio wrote:
ASUS Gamer OSD (Version: 3.07.0419)

So perhaps best you try to uninstall this one as well, and see if that fixes your CCC problems.

The other thing I would get rid of, when not used is the softOSD Client as it is reported to give videocard problems as well. It's a driver for some monitors, but at the same time can cause any trouble, from Blue (or other coloured) screens of death, to weird stuff like you're encountering.
6915) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51450)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Flu it is then. Temperature is now officially above 39C. Coughing, sneezing, I make typos by the dozen, headache, more muscle cramps, when walking I feel like I'm 120, got the shivers, oh and I slept from 12 noon till 17.30h. Now feel like I can sleep further, which I'm going to do. Was just filling up with fluids.
6916) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51447)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Latest side-effects: muscle cramps all over my body. Well, either that, or I am coming down with the flu. ;-)
6917) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51446)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
A couple of quickies that I see.
ASUS Gamer OSD (Version: 3.07.0210)
ASUS VGA Driver (Version: 3.0.0.1)

What are these? Are they needed? Do you ever use them?
If not, try to uninstall these first.
NVIDIA PhysX (Version: 9.10.0513)

Do you have an Nvidia card installed as well? If not, uninstall this as it isn't needed and can only interfere.

21.11.2013 20:45:20 | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults

If cc_config.xml is not in your BOINC Data directory, it won't be used:
21.11.2013 20:45:20 | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC


About the Nvidia PhysX thing, BOINC will make a call on it if it cannot find Nvidia libraries, but in your case in the logs it doesn't do so.
In my case it'll show:
22/11/2013 10:44:09 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.30 for windows_x86_64
22/11/2013 10:44:09 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
22/11/2013 10:44:09 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1268.1 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
22/11/2013 10:44:09 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 63463))
22/11/2013 10:44:09 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1268.1 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1))
22/11/2013 10:44:09 | | No NVIDIA library found

See? Having drivers installed for hardware that you do not have can give lots of trouble under Windows. Only install drivers for hardware that you actually have. Use a program like driver sweeper to totally uninstall any drivers you can think of for hardware you don't --any longer-- own.
6918) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51445)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.2.31 is now recommended. It has the BOINC Manager crash fix. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
6919) Message boards : Questions and problems : Issue with 7.2.28 and Notices (Message 51444)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.2.31 is now recommended. It has the BOINC Manager crash fix. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
6920) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 51442)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When updating to 7.2.31 you may come across:

So before testing this version, make sure you have all important stuff closed down and that you can do a safe reboot.
6921) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51441)
Posted 22 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.31 upgraded to recommended for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.28 --> 7.2.31:

  • LIB: Disable the ability to download images within notices.
  • client: Give a visual indication of a hot fix.
  • MGR: Disable downloading of all file types. POGS is also using a script to generate an image.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.31
- boinc_7.2.31_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.31_windows_x86_64.exe

6922) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51426)
Posted 21 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.30 available for testing for Windows and Linux.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.29 --> 7.2.30:

  • client: allow <app_version> elements in app_config.xml, allowing users to override the parameters of particular app versions.
  • client and manager: the set_cc_config and get_cc_config GUI RPCs had nonstandard replies, which weren't parsed correctly by the calling code.

    The reply from a GUI RPC that don't return info is one of:
    <success/>
    <error>error message</error>
    <status>N</status>

  • LIB: Special case a value of 0.0 in time_to_string()
  • LIB: Fix build break.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.30
- boinc_7.2.30_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.30_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.30
- boinc_7.2.30_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.30_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

6923) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51424)
Posted 21 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.29 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.28 --> 7.2.29:

  • client: Give boinc_master full control of any process spawned using the service token created by the client for boinc_project.

    This will allow the core client to kill VirtualBox VM's launched indirectly by vboxwrapper. Vboxwrapper launches vboxsvc.exe which launches vboxheadless.exe. This should also take care of the core client being able to kill child processes of the regular wrapper as well. I don't know the full scope of this type of issue? Maybe the default ACLs for a process changed within the last couple of versions of Windows.

  • WINBUILD: Fix build break from last commit.
  • MGR: Disable downloading image files in notices.
  • client: AMD GPU naming, from Jord.
  • client: add is_wrapper flag to APP_VERSION. If set, the main program uses little CPU and can be run at elevated priority.
  • client: parse (but ignore) <min_rpc_time> in state file.
  • client: don't delete global prefs file if we detach the project it came from.
  • client: message tweak.
  • LIB: Re-introduce code to get a host's MAC address.
  • MGR: Add a VirtualBox icon to the list of supported platforms for any given project that uses VirtualBox.
  • MGR: Change the VirtualBox icon color pallet so there are no artifacts around the image after conversion.
  • BOINC lib: change get_mac_address to return just one address; prefer Ethernet.
  • client: generate host CPID as a function of MAC address

    This makes the host CPID stable; if you repeatedly install BOINC on a particular node, it will get the same host CPID each time, and your host table won't get lots of redundant entries. A host can have multiple NICs; we use the MAC address of the first Ethernet controller we find, or the last NIC if there is none. Of course, this will create problems if we get the same MAC address for different hosts; in principle this shouldn't happen.

  • Remove the unused file hostinfo_network.h
  • compile fix.
  • client: On Macintosh, return MAC address for first Ethernet controller only.
  • client: fix error returns for get_mac_address() on Unix.
  • WINBUILD: Add mac_address.cpp, .h to the boinc_cli project.
  • client: preliminary implementation (commented out) of sub-second throttling.
  • client: debug sub-second CPU throttling.
  • client: Initialize diagnostics framework for the sub-second CPU throttler.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.29
- boinc_7.2.29_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.29_windows_x86_64.exe

6924) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51373)
Posted 20 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's QUITE painful. Cramp all the way till under the knee. No fun!
6925) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found after installing 7.2.28 (Message 51372)
Posted 20 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
WHQL

That's a Windows driver, which lacks CUDA and OpenCL support. Only drivers from the GPU manufacturer --Nvidia in this case-- contain that support. Get the drivers from them.
6926) Message boards : GPUs : OS X 10.9 Mavericks has for the moment CUDA support for Nvidia Fermi and later only. (Message 51361)
Posted 19 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When OS X 10.9 was shipped, Nvidia's included driver would not support CUDA on any Nvidia GPU.
A slight fix has been released by Nvidia, but for Fermi and newer type GPUs only (GT/S/X 400 series and up). To get these to work with CUDA you need to:

* Manually install the 5.5.28 CUDA driver from NVIDIA. CUDA is not supported by the stock driver shipped by Apple.
* Install at least BOINC 7.2.28. Older versions disable CUDA on the dual-GPU MacBook Pro.

When you have an older videocard, you're out of luck and will have to wait until Nvidia release a fix for that.
6927) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51360)
Posted 19 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Update.

Ever had 60 milliliter of blood taken? Just under 2 fluid ounces for you Yanks.
In images, that's this syringe.

I had that done in preparation for the ABC treatment. These 60 ml are put in a centrifuge, which separates the blood. The red blood cells are then injected directly into the plantar fascia, since this is where the painful inflammation is centered that caused all the pain problems of calcaneal spur.

It's becoming quite painful at the moment, now that the temporary anesthesia has run out. At least it lasted long enough for me to drive all the way home. Only while climbing the stairs at home did the pain start, and in earnest. Now on 1,000 mg paracetamol, which numbed it down again.

Let's just hope that this treatment works, as the only other option after this is to get a (gypsum) cast, that disables my foot from moving at all, and just sit on the couch for 6 months with the casted foot up. Yeah, right.
6928) Message boards : Teams : Unable to change team details (Message 51357)
Posted 19 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you ever set up your team through BOINC Wide Teams, even if only to take a look-see here, then that's what'll overwrite your changes. Make the changes at BWT instead and they'll propagate to the projects automatically.
6929) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51354)
Posted 18 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, that's that.

Tomorrow is my treatment. Already have a problem as my designated driver has called off, as he's needed to drive his own family to a hospital (another one than I go to). So I'll drive myself, even though they say you best not. I haven't got a choice. Will bring water and pain killers (paracetamol).

I will keep an eye on the forums via my phone, but for the rest I've shut down the computer (BOINC its cache is running out tonight). I can banish spammers via the phone. In all other cases, I think you all can fend for yourself, or help out others. :-)

So, see you all on the flip side. Hopefully with no pain and that I can finally walk normally again. Fingers crossed.
6930) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox (Message 51349)
Posted 17 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have no say over what goes on the download page, and all the suggestions I gave the developers on this have gone in the wind, so far. I'll keep adding to the VirtualBox page, as and when I find more information.
6931) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox (Message 51346)
Posted 17 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox#Emulated_environment answers most of that.
GPUs can not be used, as the VMs only use a VESA compatible virtual graphics card (with a max of 128MB RAM).
Screen savers can be used.
Which leaves http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/VirtualBox for the left-overs. BOINC will run all applications for a given project using VBox in the VM. The VM image is sent to you by the project. It uses mostly Scientific Linux.

As to why?
David Anderson wrote:
We recommend BOINC + VBox because we want there to be a large pool of volunteer hosts with VBox installed.
That will make it feasible for projects to deploy VM apps, which will make it easier for projects to deploy apps in general.


6932) Message boards : BOINC Manager : User Defined Queue (Message 51337)
Posted 16 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seems like the .xml files offer a lot more control than is in the boinc manager GUI - is any of that planned to be in the GUI at some point?

If you're talking about the app_config.xml file, then you're better off using the option for it in the Einstein project preferences:
GPU utilization factor of BRP apps
DANGEROUS! Only touch this if you are absolutely sure of what you are doing!
Wrong setting might even damage your computer! Use solely on your own risk!
Min: 0.0 / Max: 1.0 / Default: 1.0

You can't use this one at Rosetta anyway, as Rosetta doesn't have a GPU application, nor is their back-end code up-to-date enough to know what you mean with an app_config.xml setup.
So then you could use it at Einstein, but in this case, Einstein's own solution is safer. Less to fiddle with and get wrong.
When you set the GPU utilization factor to 0.5, it means that two tasks can run on the GPU simultaneously.

And no, for the foreseeable future, none of that will make it into BOINC Manager.
6933) Message boards : Server programs : Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks (Message 51335)
Posted 15 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And added to what Christian said, could you also tell us what name you gave to your science application(s)?
6934) Message boards : BOINC Manager : User Defined Queue (Message 51332)
Posted 15 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
what I want is to be able to dedicate the GPU at all times to Einstein and dedicate a couple of CPU cores at all times to Rosetta, which would leave them both crunching away uninterrupted.

And you haven't tried setting that up that way then? In the Einstein Project preferences, set "Use CPU" to No, set whichever "Use GPU" to Yes. Set the work you want to receive to only the BRP4s and BRP5s. Set "If no work for these, accept work for CPU" to No.

At Rosetta project preferences, set only "Use CPU" to Yes and whichever work you want to run on it. (I see Rosetta still uses very old back-end software, so no choice of what to run. It'll use the CPU automatically then)

I have had such a setup for the past year where Einstein runs only on my GPU and Seti runs only on 3 of my CPU cores. The latter core is free to supply the GPU.
If you can't get that to work that way, you either have an old BOINC version that does things differently, or you have set the project preferences wrong.

Einstein project preferences wrote:
Resource share 800
Use CPU no
Use ATI GPU yes
Use NVIDIA GPU no
Use INTEL GPU no
Run only the selected applications
Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo): no
Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo, GPU): yes
Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Perseus Arm Survey): yes
Gravitational Wave S6 Directed Search (CasA) : no
Gamma-ray pulsar search #2: no
Run CPU versions of applications for which GPU versions are available no

Seti project preferences wrote:
Resource share 800
Use CPU yes
Use ATI GPU no
Use NVIDIA GPU no
Run only the selected applications
SETI@home Enhanced: yes
SETI@home v7: yes
AstroPulse v6: yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? no
6935) Message boards : Server programs : Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks (Message 51328)
Posted 15 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you post the first lines of the start-up messages, starting from "Starting BOINC client version..." and up till the 14-Nov-2013 14:54:00 [---] No general preferences found - using defaults line, please?
6936) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51324)
Posted 14 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this new version of BOINC meant to support the NVidia K520 GRID (CUDA 5.5)? It doesn't seem to work.

11/14/2013 4:02:36 PM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
11/14/2013 4:02:36 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.28 for windows_x86_64
11/14/2013 4:02:36 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
11/14/2013 4:02:36 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
11/14/2013 4:02:36 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
11/14/2013 4:02:36 PM | | Running under account Administrator
11/14/2013 4:02:36 PM | | No usable GPUs found

The BOINC start-up log shows a lot more information than the lines you gave. You've made it more difficult to diagnose things.

Which Windows do you use?
Despite the other pages claiming the GPU is CUDA capable, it isn't on Nvidia's own CUDA GPUs list.
To be able to see if your GPU is an Nvidia GPU, BOINC looks for nvcuda.dll, so go on, is that somewhere on your system, and if so, where? Which version is it (right-click, properties, details)?
6937) Message boards : Server programs : Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks (Message 51318)
Posted 14 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not without more information, no.

So, make a client configuration file (cc_config.xml) in your BOINC Data directory (depending on which BOINC client you use, that's either home/BOINC/ for the Berkeley installer or /etc/boinc-client/ or /var/lib/boinc/ for the various repository installations) and add into it:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
<sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
<task_debug>1</task_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
</options>
</cc_config>

Save and exit & restart the BOINC client.
Next log a work request and post that here.
6938) Message boards : Questions and problems : No Useable GPUs found - NVIDIA - Windows - Not a service! (Message 51317)
Posted 14 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
11/14/2013 9:15:27 AM | | GPUs have become unusable; disabling tasks

The original message was a bit cryptic, but this one shows in 7.2.28 when you use fast user switching or remote desktop.

The developers are trying to get it more clear for a future version of BOINC.
6939) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 7.2.28 client apparently doesn't know how to sort??? (Message 51314)
Posted 14 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It can also be a bad installation.
Try to start the BOINC installer again and when offered, do a repair installation.

If that doesn't work, first try to download the installer again and repair install with that one. (boinc_7.2.28_windows_intelx86.exe (32bit) or boinc_7.2.28_windows_x86_64.exe (64bit))

And if that doesn't work:
- Uninstall BOINC.
- Start regedit.exe
-- navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
- Remove this complete key.
- Then reinstall BOINC.
6940) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 7.2.28 client apparently doesn't know how to sort??? (Message 51312)
Posted 14 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do the indicator arrows on the column headers show? Arrow up, arrow down, no arrow? Mine sorts all right.
6941) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 51308)
Posted 13 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're back up.
6942) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 51307)
Posted 13 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The server at setiathome.berkeley.edu is taking too long to respond.


http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/setiathome.berkeley.edu says:
It's not just you! http://setiathome.berkeley.edu looks down from here.


Earlier today the whole BOINC domain was down. I wonder if there's work done in the co-location.
6943) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client has exited 3 times in last ... (Message 51302)
Posted 13 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Same here.

Same here, what? Excuse me for asking, but what is it you see, or don't see?

Works fine on my desktop, but when switching to another user account get same message. Also, when switching processing stops. This is on a two day old Dell xps 8700 se running Windows 8.1

I see at Dell that your system comes with an NVIDIA Geforce GTX 660 1.5G GDDR5 videocard. I take it that this one is being used to do calculations with, and that it is this processing that stops? Well, that's then normal, as by using fast user switching, you instruct Windows to use its own built-in video drivers, that lack CUDA and OpenCL support, which is why BOINC will stop using the GPU until you switch back to the user that has the video drivers loaded that BOINC can use.

If that isn't what you see, then you will have to explain what you see.
Also tell us what BOINC version you use. See this thread for what we may need more.
6944) Message boards : Questions and problems : Creating 2 run periods (Message 51300)
Posted 13 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
8:00-18:00 & 21:00-06:00

Do you use those exact notations? In that case, try to set the first run period to 08:00-18:00

The clock used in BOINC follows the clock set in your OS, and if that clock uses 24 hour notation, it'll need the preceding zero on the 8am notation.
6945) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51299)
Posted 13 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thanks for that list.
First impressions, as I am still looking into some other causes.

Error: (11/12/2013 10:04:56 PM) (Source: .NET Runtime Optimization Service) (User: )
Description: .NET Runtime Optimization Service (clr_optimization_v4.0.30319_64) - 1>Failed to compile: Microsoft.SqlServer.Management.SmoMetadataProvider, Version=10.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=89845dcd8080cc91 . Error code = 0x80070002

This error may be caused by the update missing some files. You can try to fix this by going to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910336 and allowing the "Fix it" troubleshooter to run automatically. (If it doesn't work from Firefox, go to the link with Internet Explorer)

(Source: SideBySide) (User: )
Description: Activation context generation failed for "1".Error in manifest or policy file "2" on line 3.
Invalid Xml syntax.

I'd say invalid XML syntax as well, as there's no description of which files fail where.

Error: (11/11/2013 01:39:03 PM) (Source: Symantec AntiVirus) (User: )
Description: Symantec Endpoint Protection has failed to load the latest virus definitions.

Did Symantec in the mean time manage to update itself?
Any idea what caused the above error?

The Terminal Server has failed to create a new self signed certificate to be used for Terminal Server authentication on SSL connections. The relevant status code was Key not valid for use in specified state.

Do you use a lot of terminal services?
They don't disconnect minutes in?

The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Harddisk2\DR2.

This indicates a problem with harddisk number 2 (your 2TB drive), with its controller (motherboard drivers for SATA and/or USB), with the drivers (motherboard chipset drivers or USB drivers) or the motherboard BIOS/EUFI.

DirectX 9 Runtime (Version: 1.00.0000)

Can you please try to uninstall this version? If you need the latest DirectX 9c updates, please use http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109 instead.

And then I found that sometimes AMD drivers screw up the OpenCL part when you install next drivers. Any consequent reinstall fails to fix that. So please add the following to Notepad:
cd C:\Windows\System32
del SlotMaximizerAg.dll
del SlotMaximizerBe.dll
del amdocl64.dll
del OpenCL.dll
del OpenVideo64.dll
del OVDecode64.dll

cd C:\Windows\SysWOW64
del SlotMaximizerAg.dll
del SlotMaximizerBe.dll
del amdocl.dll
del OpenCL.dll
del OpenVideo.dll
del OVDecode.dll

rmdir C:\ProgramData\AMD\KDB /S /Q

Click File->Save As...
-> Navigate to C:\Temp\ (or C:\Tmp)
-> Set "Save As type" to All files
-> Encoding: ANSI
-> File name: RMOC.bat and then click Save.
Run prior to driver reinstall.

Now, in all, I have found two people with similar problems (their drivers being missing upon reboot) and they fixed it by completely reinstalling their Windows. Let's keep that as an ultimate option.
In the mean time, I also wonder, the 'reboot' is really a reboot? Not (fast) user switching?
6946) Message boards : Questions and problems : Starting/exiting boinc (Message 51293)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In BOINC Manager: File->Exit, do Close Window.
Alternatively, click the X in the top right corner.

Both of these will put BOINC Manager into the system tray.

6947) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51289)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I had my way, it'd remain an optional install, even when using the bundled installer, so that a single installer could be used even on cases where the user doesn't want VirtualBox installed (which describes my situation).

Because you prefer to download a 90MB installer over a 9.5MB installer?

Anyway, I also asked if this was perhaps a preset to deprecating the installer without VBox included, but there was silence on that. 2 years ago --after T4T's start-- there was talk and hints that the future BOINC installer would include a VirtualBOx installment, that would do away with the sole BOINC installer. I suppose we'll see where this'll end.
6948) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51287)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
So I have emailed the developers on this and asked for a clarification, and I am not going to update the RNs until I get an answer on that. For all we know, a new installer will be released which fixes the above and either make it both optional, or both required.


Rom wrote:
The dialogs were all created by the InstallShield guys. All I had control over was the name 'VirtualBox
4.2.16 (x64)'.

I suppose I can go find the flag that will really turn it into a requirement instead of something that is optional.
6949) Message boards : Server programs : Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks (Message 51286)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you say, "Can as far as I know only be fixed by detaching (Remove) and reattaching (Add) the second BOINC" are you referring to the project or to the BOINC folder ?

Best is to remove the client_state.xml file after you did a project detach. (And you can also use BOINCCMD --project URL detach .. that way you don't start the client twice)
6950) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Remove" Project button disabled in BOINC Manager (Message 51284)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you use an account manager? For if so, the 'action' buttons in BOINC Manager will be disabled and you'll have to detach/remove through the AM.
6951) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51278)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
... there's not much he can do

It's almost year 6 that we're waiting for the open source installer to become the BOINC installer. I doubt it'll come this century.
6952) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51276)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit: I have confirmed that I was correct, and that VirtualBox is optional, even with the bundled installer. Please consider updating the Release Notes per the recommendation I gave a few posts back. Thanks!

I'll hold off on that until I get an answer back from the developers, as now the installation process is confusing, to say the least. I went and uninstalled my BOINC 7.2.28 and VirtualBox 4.2.18, to then start the BOINC + VirtualBox installer.

Up pops a message box:

A text saying "BOINC requires the following items to be installed on your computer. Click Install to begin installing these requirements. Pending: Oracle VM VirtualBox 4.2.16 (x64)"

So, I click Install.
Up pops a message box:

"BOINC optionally uses VirtualBox 4.2.16 (x64). Would you like to install it now?"

That's what I call confusing the user base. Since when is a requirement first required, but a second later optional? So I have emailed the developers on this and asked for a clarification, and I am not going to update the RNs until I get an answer on that. For all we know, a new installer will be released which fixes the above and either make it both optional, or both required.

By the way, and I am sure you know about this, the BOINC User Wiki can be edited by anyone with an account. Think there's something not right? Ask David for an account and go edit.
6953) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51274)
Posted 11 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I mean is:
If you use the bundled installer, and did not have 4.2.16+ VirtualBox installed, I believe the installer gives you the OPTION to install it.

I know what you meant, but I don't think it'll do it that way as why would the installer with VirtualBox included give you the choice to install VBox or not, when you can just download the installer without VBox if you don't want it?

Or as Rom said in an email: The 'vbox' version of BOINC will install VirtualBox 4.2.16 if it is not already installed on the system.

If it is already installed, it should just skip the part of the installer that installs VirtualBox and proceeds to install BOINC.
6954) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51265)
Posted 11 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I installed BOINC + VirtualBox over the 7.2.28 (+ VB 4.2.18) I had already installed, thinking it would tell me that I had BOINC installed already and that it would give me: a) an uninstall option, b) a repair option or c) tell me that there was nothing to do.

But no, it gave me the full BOINC installer as if 7.2.28 wasn't installed.
It didn't show an option of install VirtualBox, though.
6955) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51263)
Posted 11 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
They do now when they read the Release Notes. :-)
6956) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.2.28 released to the public (Message 51261)
Posted 11 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to problems with work-fetch for Test4Theory with the 4.3.0 and 4.3.2 versions of VirtualBox, the version included is 4.2.16

When using the BOINC + VirtualBox installer, and:
- When you have a version of VirtualBox installed already and it is 4.2.16 or higher, the installer will just install BOINC 7.2.28
- When you have a version of Virtualbox installed already and its version number is lower than 4.2.16, the installer will install VBox 4.2.16 and then install BOINC 7.2.28
6957) Message boards : Questions and problems : requesting a moderator to unlock an old thread... (Message 51257)
Posted 11 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't mind opening the thread --I have just done so-- the problem here is that you're then required to post in it within 6 hours, or else it'll get locked again by the autolock script.
6958) Message boards : Questions and problems : one more feature to make perfect (Message 51238)
Posted 10 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The reason that I wasn't answering your post --and still aren't going to, for that matter-- is because I'm very hesitant to answer here, as you've gone right past the part of "Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects."

When you have restrictions as to where you can browse and what you can upload, then my hands are tied. Get permission from the IT department or your direct boss, first.
6959) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc not using all the cores all the time even through it is configured to. (Message 51237)
Posted 10 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The science applications run at nice 19 as well, so they'll go out of the way of higher priority programs. There's not much you can do about that. Only GPU applications run at a slightly higher priority (Below Normal on Windows, nice 15 on Linux) because otherwise they'll not get allotted enough resources.
6960) Message boards : Questions and problems : multiple user accounts on one mac (Message 51230)
Posted 9 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since the three users can't ever be logged in at exactly the same time on the same computer, nor open BOINC Manager at that same time, I don't see how. That said, BOINC Manager is just the Graphical User Interface, allowing the users to easily command and control the BOINC client.

It doesn't do any scheduling of the calculations. That's the BOINC client that does that, while the calculations themselves are done by the project science applications.
6961) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.2.28 doesn't start on MacOSX 10.9 (Message 51228)
Posted 9 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I asked the developers. They've told me that it's a permissions problem.

1. Prior to reinstalling BOINC, use the BOINC Uninstaller first. Then reinstall.
2. When that doesn't work, try to download the BOINC installer again, in case the prior version was corrupted somehow.
3. The last option is to run the Make_SA_Secure.sh script available from the link at the start of the ReadMe file that comes with the Mac BOINC installer. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Using_BOINC.27s_security_features_with_the_stand-alone_BOINC_Client.
6962) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.2.28 doesn't start on MacOSX 10.9 (Message 51225)
Posted 9 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Other than to reinstall BOINC (not BONIC), none that I know of. Have you tried rebooting?
6963) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available part deux (Message 51214)
Posted 8 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Giving a warning up front. From November 19th onwards, for at least a week, perhaps longer, I will be unavailable. That day I finally undergo the ABC treatment to fight against the calcaneal spur that has been plaguing me for the past year and a half.

I've been warned that the days after the pain will at least triple, which I doubt will do my mood any good. I'm also not to walk on the foot for at least a week, perhaps longer. That depends on how well the treatment catches on.

So I plan on becoming a couch potato for that week, perhaps 2 weeks. I've downloaded a lot of shows I plan to go see then. Breaking Bad (all 5 seasons), Revolution, CSI Miami (all 7 seasons), CSI New York (to exchange if bored).

By God, I hope the developers have released 7.2.28 before that time. :-)
6964) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51210)
Posted 8 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm puzzled.

Here too. Now, before I roll into bed:
Can you check for me if the Catalyst Control Center is still running? (Task Manager->Processes, there should be a CCC.exe visible)
Can you open the control center? (Start_>All Programs->AMD Catalyst Control Center->AMD Catalyst Control Center)
-> What does it say for "My VGA Displays->Properties (VGA Display)"?
-> What does it say for "Information->Software"?

Can you please install GPU Caps Viewer?
-> Going to the OpenGL tab, is your videocard recognized?
--> Can you run any of the OpenGL demos?
-> Going to the OpenCL tab, do you have the choice (drop-down menu) to choose your GPU?
---> If you do, is it recognized correctly?
---> Can you run any of the OpenCL demos on the GPU?

Edit1: You have installed your motherboard chipset drivers, right?
Edit2: In Windows Event Viewer, are there any messages about missing or corrupt drivers?
- Do you have enough swap space free for Windows?
- To automate the answers for the above questions, please download MiniToolBox , save it to your desktop and run it.

Check the following check boxes:
List last 10 Event Viewer log
List Installed Programs
List Users, Partitions and Memory size.

Click Go and paste the content into your next post.
6965) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51206)
Posted 7 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's all right, but the <delay_start> option does not delay start BOINC. It merely delays the start of the science applications.

These always cause the slow-down when they start up and try to use CPU and memory while Windows is still starting up and using the CPU and memory as well. Even I see those slow-downs on my 4 core PC, when I allow BOINC to start at Windows start.

Although cc_config.xml is read very early in the start-up of BOINC, there are no flags and options in it that stop or delay BOINC from starting up. Only externally started options could delay start BOINC. Like the sleep command used in a script on Linux.
6966) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51203)
Posted 7 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I don't think it's something like that either. As far as I know, the videocard drivers are loaded pretty early in Windows start-up, way before you even see the desktop.
6967) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51200)
Posted 7 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
saw this once, boinc started before the gpu drivers were fully loaded.
fixed it by <start_delay>30</start_delay> in cc_config.xml

Nice, but <start_delay> does not delay the startup of BOINC. It merely delays the startup of any science applications after BOINC has already started. Like so:

07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.28 for windows_x86_64
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, benchmark_debug, checkpoint_debug
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | log flags: coproc_debug, cpu_sched, dcf_debug, file_xfer_debug, sched_op_debug
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | log flags: scrsave_debug, task_debug
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC

...

07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1268.1 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 63463))
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1268.1 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1))
07/11/2013 18:47:00 |  | No NVIDIA library found

...

07/11/2013 18:47:03 |  | Suspending computation - initial delay

So that won't help much as the GPU detection has already happened.

The only start-delay one can add to an automated start-up is by either:
1. Installing BOINC as a service, then at services.msc you an state how long the service has to wait before it can start. The problem with this is that by installing BOINC as a service, you won't be able to use the GPUs due to drivers being in one session and BOINC being in another.
2. Using a batch-file to point at the client. In the batch file you can then set e.g. the pause command, which will wait for anyone to press a key. Or else set up a wait for several seconds visual basic script. Examples here.

And not automated:
3. Not start BOINC at Windows start-up. In BOINC Manager, Tools, Options, uncheck "Run at manager login?", OK, and then manually wait for the system to fully start up and start BOINC. For instance with a quick link to BOINC Manager in the quick launch bar.
6968) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 51199)
Posted 7 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
So what if you try to email either the UDRI or WSU, since Mondmodeling states MindModeling@Home (Beta) is based in Dayton, OH at the University of Dayton Research Institute and Wright State University? Perhaps that they've set up for an internal (University only) beta.
6969) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51195)
Posted 7 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
05-Nov-2013 06:34:55 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1268.1 (sse2), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1))
05-Nov-2013 06:34:55 [---] No usable GPUs found
05-Nov-2013 06:34:55 [---] app version refers to missing GPU type ATI
05-Nov-2013 06:34:55 [Einstein@Home] Application uses missing ATI GPU
05-Nov-2013 06:34:55 [Einstein@Home] Missing coprocessor for task p2030.20130724.G47.49-01.48.N.b5s0g0.00000_2128_1

Well, the above at least shows that the AMD-APP driver was kept in place, since your CPU is still being detected as OpenCL capable. So we know the OpenCL driver is still in place. Now we have to wonder why the GPU will no longer be detected. I'm posting this onto the BOINC Alpha and development email lists. Perhaps that someone there knows.

Is there a way to force usage of certain GPU? It seems that cc_config.xml file may be used for exactly this thing. If so, how should it look for my GPU?

No, the core client configuration file will only be of use when hardware has already been detected. It won't be able to force the use of unknown hardware either. The most you can set is the <coproc_debug> flag, to see if it says something about what happens.

Might not be a bad idea.
Make cc_config.xml file in your BOINC Data directory C:\ProgramData\BOINC\
Just use Notepad to add the following lines:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<coproc_debug>1</coproc_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
</options>
</cc_config>

In Notepad:
Click File->Save As...
-> Navigate to C:\ProgramData\BOINC\
-> Set "Save As type" to All files
-> Encoding: ANSI
-> File name: cc_config.xml and then click Save.
Check that the file does only have the .xml extension. If by chance it's .xml.txt rename it so it's only .xml

Now exit & restart BOINC.
Then post the first 30 messages of the start-up log again.

(Righted typo in cc_config tag)
6970) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 10.9 Mavericks & Open CL Issue (Message 51192)
Posted 6 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you check whether the Event Log and Tasks tab show BOINC running or suspended, and if suspended what is the suspend reason shown?
6971) Message boards : BOINC client : Windows 8.1 x64 Pro and Hyper-V (Message 51188)
Posted 6 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did forward your problem to the BOINC developer most proficient in using VMs, but he's been very busy lately with all kinds of bug-fixes in anticipation of the new BOINC release. I won't prod him again on it until after 7.2.xx has been released to the public. Which should be any day now.
6972) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 51187)
Posted 6 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Richard, Jacob, et al.,

I've started building .28 which should resolve the issue Richard pointed out in the email thread:

'Boinc 7.2.18, after removing a device specific app_info, Boinc won't ask for work for other devices.'

Could you run a quick sanity check and make sure it still installs in the various configurations you all use plus check if the bug fix works as you expect it should?


Thanks in advance.

----- Rom

Download links and change log available, in this post.
6973) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51186)
Posted 6 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.28 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.27 --> 7.2.28:

  • MGR: Immediately update preferences/registry on more changes:
    -> When Event Log is opened.
    -> When column widths are changed.
  • MGR: Corrections to previous commit.
  • client: clear no_rsc_apps[] flags before parsing scheduler reply. Otherwise they'll never get cleared if server doesn't explicitly send.
  • client: tweak last commit; don't clear flags if anonymous platform.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.28
- boinc_7.2.28_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.28_windows_x86_64.exe

6974) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help Needed To Run BOINC On PS3 (Message 51181)
Posted 6 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well great.

So having done that then, the Linux needs kernel version 2.6.21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS#Distributions shows which Linux distros are compatible.

Next go to http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/BOINC%20Clients.html and search on the page for Linux Playstation 3.
make sure to check the GLIBC version in the Linux you installed, before making your BOINC client choice.

Well, and then you want a project.
Seti is out, as they've changed their science application a couple of months ago, meaning that the v5.27 that Dotsch has will only produce erroneous work. (The deeper link provided to the science app doesn't work anymore anyway).

So doing a quick search, that leaves Yoyo@Home, whose application list shows Sony Playstation 3 running Linux. Best ask on their forums first, though, if the thing is still used.
6975) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help Needed To Run BOINC On PS3 (Message 51179)
Posted 6 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
All consoles are currently on official Sony firmware 4.31.

And are therefore unable to be used.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS:
OtherOS was a feature available in early versions of the PlayStation 3 video game console that allowed other operating systems, such as Linux or FreeBSD, to be installed on the system. This feature was made unavailable in newer models and removed from the oldest ones through a firmware update by Sony.

The "Other OS" feature is disabled by firmware version 3.21 but still runs on older consoles that have firmware 3.15 or lower.
6976) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51152)
Posted 4 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.27 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.26 --> 7.2.27:

  • locale: Update compiled localization files.
  • WINBUILD: No not kill child processes of BOINC Manager when cleaning up the environment before an upgrade.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.27
- boinc_7.2.27_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.27_windows_x86_64.exe

6977) Message boards : Projects : Progress Thru Processors (Message 51145)
Posted 4 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set in the BOINC software how much bandwidth you want it to use per day.

Transfer at most X Mbytes every Y Days.
This value can also be set through most project website preferences.
6978) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on OS X 10.9 refuses to connect to internet (Message 51144)
Posted 4 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, the developer for BOINC on the Mac has no explanation on why this is happening, it works fine on his system with Mavericks, and on that of several other people. We'll know after today, I guess, when 7.2.26 is released to the masses.

In the mean time, a thing you may want to look at is the version of LittleSnitch that you run. Only v3.3 is Mavericks compatible, so if you haven't yet tried that, update LS first. Release notes at: http://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/releasenotes3.html.
6979) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on OS X 10.9 refuses to connect to internet (Message 51139)
Posted 3 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've forwarded it to the developer. It can take 24 hours for him to answer.
6980) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on OS X 10.9 refuses to connect to internet (Message 51137)
Posted 3 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, there the "boinc" binary is listed as "allow incoming connections".

It'll need outgoing connections as well, as how else is it ever going to communicate with something on the other side of the firewall?

I know (well, I presume) it is the boinc binary because it is *not* the BOINC Manager executable, but is the UNIX executable file in the Resources directory of the BOINC Manager application bundle:

BOINCManager.app/Contents/Resources/boinc


I don't think this changed, but the normal BOINC program directory is /Applications/BOINC/

Now, before you go and fiddle with the root user of Mavericks, something totally not necessary in my book, try to install BOINC 7.2.26 first. That one is going to be released tomorrow to the public anyway, so not really needed to wait.

Macintosh 7.2.26 option installers:
- boinc_7.2.26_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.26_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.26_i686-apple-darwin.zip

If even 7.2.26 has problems, let me know and I'll swing by the developer and ask him what you can do about it.
6981) Message boards : GPUs : problem uninstalling ATI's opencl need help (Message 51135)
Posted 3 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, when I look at the system he points to: http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=543305:

CPU type GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]

Oh wait, I was looking at the system under his 'fine' link. Sorry. Missed the other link. :-(
In that case the APP SDK is the way to go, yes.
6982) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on OS X 10.9 refuses to connect to internet (Message 51133)
Posted 3 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sun Nov 3 17:54:25 2013 | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
Sun Nov 3 17:54:40 2013 | | BOINC can't access Internet - check network connection or proxy configuration.

Well, you know what we're going to say, right?
The above two lines show that the BOINC on that system is not allowed to communicate to the internet. Make sure that the BOINC binary (so not the BOINC Manager binary !!) is allowed to make contact with the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.

BOINC Manager doesn't need internet access, as it is nothing more than a graphical user interface allowing you to easily command and control the underlying client, the BOINC binary. Both BOINC parts do need to be able to communicate on TCP port 31416, but seeing how you can post the log, that's hunky dory.
6983) Message boards : GPUs : problem uninstalling ATI's opencl need help (Message 51132)
Posted 3 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try installing the APP SDK, that should install OpenCL.dll, you'll want to do it with a recent Boinc, older Boinc might freak out.

The APP SDK may make your system very unstable as well. In this case it may be better to install the Intel OpenCL ICD.

(I linked to the 64bit ICD for 1st and 2nd Generation Intel Core CPUs. If one wants to use the version for the 3rd and 4th generation, start here.)
6984) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51119)
Posted 2 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I must say that adding the APP SDK v2.8.1 does not make your system more stable. Not in my case at least. I was forced to remove it because Windows Explorer would crash every 10 minutes, my NIC driver would go lost and leave me without LAN and internet and my system was very slow.

Just trying to remove the APP SDK resulted in always removing all OpenCL from my system as well, so I resolved that by running the AMD Cleanup Utility, rebooting and at the 800x600 screen install the 13.9 Catalyst drivers. Rebooted again and my system seems all the more stable now. I haven't seen Windows Explorer crash yet, so that's positive.
6985) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51116)
Posted 2 Nov 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
My AMD CPU? Where did you get this information from? I think the info I posted clearly shows that I have Intel CPU.

Point back for you. My mistake. The clinfo information you posted in this thread showed that the OpenCL at that time was only available on your CPU. I misread your CPU, thought it was an AMD Quad. I blame my reading glasses.

How do you explain this?

Errr, looks like something on your system eats necessary driver files. Else I cannot explain why it does this. Any special anti-virus software you use?

But here's an option to force things.
Please go to this page and download the Accelerated Parallel Processing (APP) SDK 2.8.1 for Windows.

(It's a slow server, so have patience when trying to download the zip file)
When it's done downloading, unzip the contents to somewhere easy to reach, and then start the executable.

Edit1: Apropos, if the installation is giving you problems with one of the samples not being able to install, then install using Express mode (it's an option in the installer). In the populated list of stuff to install, deselect the Sample applications. Then continue installation.

Afterwards exit & restart BOINC, or reboot the system.

Edit2: Another later thought of question, can you please test with BOINC 7.2.26 as well? It's slated for release on Monday.
6986) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 51112)
Posted 31 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I plan on releasing BOINC 7.2.26 as the next public release on Monday.

Please speak up if you have found a showstopper or log any remaining test results you might have queued up.

Thanks in advance.



----- Rom
6987) Message boards : Questions and problems : "x.xxxxxx " (Message 51109)
Posted 30 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If all is well, and you're using a bit of an updated version of BOINC, BOINC itself will put the project on a request back-off, that will over the duration of one or more days increase until it only asks for work once every 24 hours.
6988) Message boards : Questions and problems : "x.xxxxxx " (Message 51107)
Posted 30 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No. But you could use <exit_before_start/>, depends on what you're trying to do.
6989) Message boards : Server programs : Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks (Message 51105)
Posted 30 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
2) I had copied the BOINC folder to the second machine and then installed the client.

Well, there you have it.
Copying the BOINC directory, presumably with everything in it (sub-directories, files), means you now have two computers with the same hostID.

Can as far as I know only be fixed by detaching (Remove) and reattaching (Add) the second BOINC. And next time you want to 'easily add your project to a BOINC', only copy the account_*.xml file.
6990) Message boards : Server programs : Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks (Message 51100)
Posted 30 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/boinc-v2/sched/handle_request.cpp, line 410 and further.

Is the second machine really a physical second machine? Or a VM running on the same machine as host1?
Was the second BOINC really installed from scratch, or was it cloned? If cloned, was it done so from the existing BOINC with its work and client_state.xml file?
6991) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows and multiple users (Message 51098)
Posted 30 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you do not use a GPU, you're better of to install BOINC as a service. That works better than the user install + "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC". As ticket [trac]#1025[/trac] shows, this bug has been here for at least 3 years and is still in the upcoming client (7.2.x).

An easy way around is to not use the fast user switching, but instead log off the one user, log on the next. Of course, any user account added after you installed BOINC, will not be in the list of allowed users.

In any way, the host name is either nothing, localhost, the IP address of the computer, or the name of the computer, but if the latter two, they must be specified in the remote_hosts.cfg file.

The password is either nothing, or the password in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file. The 32 character random password in here can be changed for a password of your own liking. When doing so, do not end with a carriage return (Enter).

BOINC needs to be fully restarted after you changed the password in gui_rpc_auth.cfg
BOINC needs to be fully restarted after you added either the IP address or computer name to remote_hosts.cfg
6992) Message boards : Questions and problems : Credit discrepencies (Message 51091)
Posted 30 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because these projects use different methods to calculate the credit. BOINC credit isn't normalized between all projects, probably never will be. There are projects that give you high credit, there's projects that give you low. Some still use the old method of benchmark * run-time, some just have values set in the database, others use CreditNew calculations.

The newer BOINC back-end software doesn't show the claimed credit anymore.
6993) Message boards : GPUs : PGU performance (Message 51090)
Posted 30 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Simply said because it depends on which project you run and how well they have optimized their various GPU applications for the various GPUs out there, be it AMD, Nvidia or these days Intel.

So if you want to know well a certain GPU works at a certain project, you best ask at that project, or look on their forums if someone else asked this already.
6994) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 51081)
Posted 29 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And we're back --these forums-- after Matt changed one of the server's disk drives. Let's hope everything's a bit faster now.
6995) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51080)
Posted 29 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, but I don't think this is a driver problem.

I kindly disagree. When BOINC can't detect the GPU, it's 95% of the times that people installed BOINC as a service, 4.95% of the time that people didn't install the driver, installed the wrong driver, or neglected to clean up after the driver uninstaller. The other 0.05% of the times it's a bug in BOINC.

Having said this there may be a different way required to detect the display adapter in my system. If you have a debug version of BOINC that I could run, that would create a detailed log of all relevant API calls and their return codes, I'd be happy to run it.

There is no debug version for that. It works on many people's systems, so it should as well on yours, as long as all the right drivers are installed.

Here is some info that may show that driver isn't the issue (I believe).

These are all drivers used by your AMD CPU !!

And finally the log file from clinfo.exe:
Device Type: CL_DEVICE_TYPE_CPU

Which shows that your CPU is OpenCL capable, and that's it.

I'll skip for now the complete driver reinstallation as in the past similar exercises didn't produce the expected results.

So then the solution is easy: don't run with a GPU.
It is really that simple, the driver that you installed for your videocard either lacks the OpenCL component, or it was installed wrong, or remnants of the previous driver are in the way. Now, you can complain about it and stuff, but had you just spent the 15 minutes of cleaning out all drivers and reinstalling them, I'm sure it would've been fixed already. You can also use the AMD Uninstall Utility.

And wonder for yourself if the driver you installed was for your videocard, and not for your AMD CPU.
6996) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc manager blank (Message 51079)
Posted 29 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=461, points 1, 3 and 4.
6997) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager on Max OS X 10.9 will not start (Message 51078)
Posted 29 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I downloaded what I think is the correct Mac version

Which version is that then? It'll have a name.

Ah, the community gave me a hint (I'm not a Mac user): "Right-click on the installer and click Open. You’ll then be given the option to run the installer instead of just the blanket approach of not being allowed to install it. This option has been around since Gatekeeper was introduced, back in 10.7.5 IIRC."
6998) Message boards : Questions and problems : 64bit versions of Linux 7.0.65 and 7.2.26 (Message 51065)
Posted 28 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What does the ldd command return?

ldd boinc


The error you see is a Linux error, not a BOINC error.
6999) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS-X 10.9 Maverick appears to break seti@home / boinc screensaver (Message 51064)
Posted 28 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Similar problem with mavericks and boinc.

Can you whether the Event Log and Tasks tab show BOINC running or suspended, and if suspended what is the suspend reason shown?
7000) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 51063)
Posted 28 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.26 available for testing for Macintosh.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have posted BOINC 7.2.26 for the Mac to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D; please report your test results. This is the installer for BOINC only; I am still working on creating the Mac installer for BOINC+VirtualBox.

Cheers,
--Charlie
7001) Message boards : GPUs : OS X 10.9 Mavericks and Nvidia GPUs (Message 51061)
Posted 28 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do have BOINC CPU and GPU Activity set to Run based on Preferences, not set to Run Always?
Can you whether the Event Log and Tasks tab show BOINC running or suspended, and if suspended what is the suspend reason shown?
7002) Message boards : Questions and problems : Just updated to OS X Maverick and BOINC stopped working (Message 51060)
Posted 28 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you install a new version of Mac OS X over an older version, it doesn't always preserve the boinc_master and boinc_project users and groups; in which case you need to reinstall BOINC after installing the OS.

So then you download the installer again, save it to a new location, and install from there.
7003) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51054)
Posted 27 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you can try to do is completely uninstall the videocard drivers and remove its remnants from your system, before installing them fresh. That way any old driver remnants, or drivers from another videocard won't be in the way.

See the How to completely clean out drivers of GPUs you do not use anymore? FAQ for more on that. Also see the Determine OpenCL capability GPU and CPU FAQ.
7004) Message boards : Web interfaces : Selection of the english language impossible on the BOINC homepage (Message 51051)
Posted 27 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
7005) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS-X 10.9 Maverick appears to break seti@home / boinc screensaver (Message 51041)
Posted 26 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Similar problem with mavericks and boinc.

I have forwarded your problem to the developer, but in the mean time, same question for you: Did you reinstall BOINC after updating to Mavericks?
7006) Message boards : BOINC client : Windows 8.1 x64 Pro and Hyper-V (Message 51040)
Posted 26 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When BOINC is running my Hyper-V VMs are unbelievably slow.

You say VMs, plural. So how many are they?
How many CPU cores do they get to use per VM?
How much memory?

When I look at the task manager the "Virtual Machine Worker Process" is either using almost no CPU (BOINC OFF) or using an even amount of CPU as the other BOINC processes when BOINC is ON.

I don't follow. Are you saying that when BOINC is off, that your VMs aren't using CPU either, while when BOINC runs its processes use as much CPU cycles as the VMs?

Which projects do you run?
How many CPU cores is BOINC allowed to use?
Have you tried yet to tell BOINC to use 50% or 75% of CPU cores, so that the remaining CPU cores can run the GPUs and the VMs?
7007) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS-X 10.9 Maverick appears to break seti@home / boinc screensaver (Message 51039)
Posted 26 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I don't think you should've removed anything additionally. But I'll ask the developer for the Mac.

Here's what Charlie answered me:
Hi Jord,

I also tested this tonight on OS 10.9 Mavericks with BOINC 7.0.65 and also 7.2.23. In both cases, the BOINC installer set BOINC as the screen saver (when I selected that option in the installer) and the screen saver ran correctly. And in both cases the BOINC screensaver did correctly appear in the list of screen savers, at the end of the list just before the "Random" screen saver.

It is worth noting that the BOINC screen saver appeared with a generic icon in the list, as it does under OS 10.8 Mountain Lion, so you must look for its name rather than for an icon.

I have added thumbnail images to the screen savers for new builds (including 7.2.25), so that they will appear with their own icon in the list of screen savers.

Cheers,
--Charlie
7008) Message boards : Questions and problems : one more feature to make perfect (Message 51034)
Posted 26 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I gave you the basic steps, so should be easy to follow. All you need to know is where the data directory is. And hope that the machine at work is a Mac as well.
7009) Message boards : Questions and problems : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD5850 on Win7 x64 (Message 51033)
Posted 26 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
My video driver is 13.9 (well, not exactly the driver version, but package version) so it's quite recent.

Where did you get it from? If not from AMD themselves, then go there first. Drivers provided by Windows lack the OpenGL and OpenGL components that are needed for the detection of the GPU.
7010) Message boards : News : Client configuration add-on (Message 51032)
Posted 26 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
so if some old version x86 BOINC clients have been installed on a same machine, the program would use those installation information.

Does your program work with BOINC 5 as well?

As when not, I wouldn't know why it would want to look in %systemdrive%:\Program Files\BOINC\ or %systemdrive%:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ for the cc_config.xml file, as it will never be there. Especially for Windows Vista, 7 and later 8, BOINC went with a separate data directory in which it can write to all files, without Windows UAC constantly bugging you that there's a program trying to write to the protected Program Files directory structure.

In Windows Vista, 7 and 8, and its server versions, the %systemdrive%:\Program Files\ and %systemdrive%:\Program Files (x86)\ directory trees are protected by Windows. It does not allow (many) writes to these directory structures.
Instead, the %systemdrive%:\Programdata\ tree is used for this, hence that's where BOINC will put the data directory in which you'll find all the log files, the client_state.xml file and everything else that is much written to. By default cc_config.xml will be in this directory, not in the Program Files directory.

(writing %systemdrive%: because not everyone uses C: as their system drive.)

The program did try to find DATADIR before INSTALLDIR

It doesn't have to try to find it by trawling through the whole registry, you know? The entry will always be at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup, even if it's one of the 'third party versions', such as PtP, WCG, Charity Engine, or Grid Republic. On those only the exterior (skin) changes, not the registry entries or the actual program. Except possibly the name of the screen saver.

Please use the latest 1.3.1 version

That one works correctly.
7011) Message boards : Questions and problems : 550ti 680gtx 3gb i7 (Message 51027)
Posted 25 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're welcome. Hope you're not anywhere near the fires. Also hope you're not blasting superheated air out, drying nearby forests. ;-)
7012) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51025)
Posted 25 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.26 available for testing for Windows, Macintosh and Linux.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.25 --> 7.2.26:

  • client: limit # of slots to #CPUS*100. Also, consider an app version a VM app if one of its files contains "vboxwrapper".
  • client: AMD GPU detection fixes.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.26
- boinc_7.2.26_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.26_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux 7.2.26
- boinc_7.2.26_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.26_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Macintosh 7.2.26
- boinc_7.2.26_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.26_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.26_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7013) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 51024)
Posted 25 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
BOINC 7.2.26 released for Windows and Linux

Howdy Folks,

The primary bug fix for this release is using a better method for determining how much memory various VirtualBox VMs use during execution.

Other changes include:
* limit the number of slot directories that can be created to 100*<number of CPU cores>.
* Include an icon for Android for projects that support Android in the attach wizard.
* Updates for AMD GPU names.
* Updates for localization.
* Support for the <no_intel_gpu/> legacy tags.

I have carried over the test results from 7.2.23 to the 7.2.26 release. The changes were small enough that we did not need to reset the testing clock.

This is a public release candidate, so please report your test results. The sooner we get to 100% coverage, the sooner we can release a new public release.

We could really use some test results for:
* Windows Vista
* Mac OS X 10.4
* Mac OS X 10.5

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/. Please report bugs to the Alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Change log and download links are here.
7014) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 51022)
Posted 25 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I moved your request to this thread, as it had nothing to do with the thread you posted in. That thread was about an easy way to change the options in the cc_config.xml file, not about adding things to BOINC its code.

Your request to add GPU throttling is one that comes by every now and then. It's not easily done, it is on the long developers to do list. In the mean time, and as long as you runs Windows, you may want to look at TThrottle, which allows for throttling of the GPU based on temperature.
7015) Message boards : Questions and problems : 550ti 680gtx 3gb i7 (Message 51014)
Posted 25 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
25/10/2013 6:41:36 AM | | Running as a daemon

You have BOINC installed as a service. Uninstall it, reinstall it, third screen in the installer click Advanced, uncheck "Service install", read the description as to why, and continue installation.

7016) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 51011)
Posted 25 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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BOINC 7.2.25 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.23 --> 7.2.24:

  • WINBUILD: Update build environment to use Visual Studio 2010.
  • WINBUILD: Use correct calling convention for the vs2010 zlib libraries.
  • client: clear project RPC backoffs on startup. (David: I think this policy makes more sense.)
  • GUI RPC: add cpu_time (as well as elapsed_time) to OLD_RESULT
  • WINBUILD: Fix applications that require freetype2 and FTGL.
  • client: parse <no_intel_gpu> project pref; this is deprecated but Einstein@home is running old server code that sends it.
  • Fix for signal handler type change.
  • Fix for MacOS signal handler problems.
  • lib: quick bug fix.
  • Mac installer: fix a bug in error recovery logic.
  • MGR: convert HTML "&lt;" to "<" in project description (needed for ABC@home).
  • client: for VM apps, use rsc_memory_bound as the working set size.

    On Windows, the working-set size reported by the OS for VM apps is too low. Apparently the RAM usage is in fact roughly the VM size. This can lead to running multiple VM apps, which use more RAM than is available, causing performance problems. Solution: use workunit.rsc_memory_bound as the working set size for VM apps. (Note: for now, a VM app is one where the plan class includes "vbox").

  • lib: Add missing entry for Charity Engine when identifying an application as a BOINC app or not.
  • client: Parse no_intel_gpu using the deprecated syntax for different venues. Thanks to Richard Haselgrove for pointing out the issue.
  • client: skip exclusion logic for resources that have no exclusions.

    This may fix, or at least shed light on, a bug where the client repeatedly requests work for a resources that already has plenty.

  • MGR: convert HTML "&lt;" to "<" in Simple View Task Panel project description (needed for ABC@home).
  • client: message tweaks
  • client: don't allow more than 1000 slot dirs.

    There was a report of a situation where the client created unbounded slot dirs. Not sure why this happened, but may as well impose a limit.

  • AMD GPU naming updates, from [P3D] Crashtest


Preliminary Change Log 7.2.24 --> 7.2.25:


  • WINBUILD: Add missing file.
  • MGR: Bug fix for previous commit.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.25
- boinc_7.2.25_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.25_windows_x86_64.exe

7017) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS-X 10.9 Maverick appears to break seti@home / boinc screensaver (Message 51010)
Posted 24 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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No, I don't think you should've removed anything additionally. But I'll ask the developer for the Mac.
7018) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS-X 10.9 Maverick appears to break seti@home / boinc screensaver (Message 51005)
Posted 24 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
After you updated to Mavericks, did you reinstall BOINC?
7019) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS-X 10.9 Maverick appears to break seti@home / boinc screensaver (Message 51003)
Posted 24 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
After selecting a running task, can you do Show graphics from BOINC Manager?
Does your system have an Nvidia videocard? We do know about the problem that OpenCL doesn't work under Mavericks, that's because Nvidia hasn't released an updated driver yet that works under Mavericks.

Since the graphics application/screen saver uses OpenGL and because OpenCL and OpenGL use essentially the same hardware inside the GPU, this could be related. And then there's nothing you can do except wait until Nvidia has released new drivers.
7020) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects Not Found (Message 50998)
Posted 24 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Sounds like a permissions problem to me, or indeed a problem with the firewall. So do make sure you allowed the BOINC binary internet access on TCP port 80 and 443.

I suppose you try to add a project using the Add project wizard? If not, then what commands do you give?

Also, for future reference, asking for help and threatening to delete BOINC in the same sentence isn't too helpful. It doesn't give potential helpers the need to eagerly step in and help you out.
7021) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc gone mad (Message 50997)
Posted 24 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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The developers ask that you add the following cc_config.xml file to your data directory (default at C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/BOINC/ on XP and default hidden, so either set Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders or put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer and hit Enter), and leave it there for now. Perhaps that the same problem never happens again, but if it does, at least you have some logging that shows what could have caused it. That's to say, if you then do not delete stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.log, of course.

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<task_debug>1</task_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
</options>
</cc_config>


If you already have a cc_config.xml file, add the above into it.
When there's no cc_config.xml (there's none by default, so don't worrry if you do not have one), you can make it by opening Notepad, putting the above lines into it, then do:
Click File->Save As...
-> Navigate to C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/BOINC/
-> Set "Save As type" to All files
-> Encoding: ANSI
-> File name: cc_config.xml and then click Save.

Do check that it all went correctly, and that the file didn't get the .txt extension. If it did, rename it so it only has an .xml extension.

Next open BOINC Manager->(View->Advanced view->)Advanced->Read config files.
When you now open event log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), a lot more data will be written to it when tasks run. Including when they're started, in which slot, and what else happens to them. [/code]
7022) Message boards : Server programs : download full packages of server_stable (Message 50996)
Posted 24 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit how to get the source code these days.
7023) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc gone mad (Message 50988)
Posted 23 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I forwarded your plight to the developers. Perhaps that they can put a hard value on amount of slots to stop this behaviour.

May I still know which projects you run?
Or else, can you post the first 40 lines from your BOINC start-up messages? That way we can see those projects as well and perhaps check at the projects if there's any reason why BOINC went into this frenzy.
7024) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc gone mad (Message 50983)
Posted 23 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
'The latest version of BOINC' can still mean anything. Please give the version number. If you do not dare start BOINC, you can find this information by going:
C:\Program Files\BOINC, right-click on the boinc.exe program, Properties, Details tab. It'll state what the number is in the Product Version.

For you 'the latest version of BOINC' could mean 7.0.28 or 7.0.64, for the general Linux user it's either 7.0.27 or 7.0.65, for the testers it is 7.2.23 and then there's still a lot of versions in between. Depends on where you got it from as well.

Furthermore, it would be nice to know which project caused it. The slots directories are made by BOINC to write the project's science application and task information to, before they're executed in there. So if you still have one of your several million slots directories, please open a couple up and see if it's all one project or multiple ones. And tell which ones. Or tell which application's executables you see and we'll be able to derive from there what it could be.

Can you otherwise check stdoutdae.txt in your BOINC Data directory, find if it wrote at 4am what it was doing and post that here?

Do you have anti-virus? If so, have you made sure to exclude the BOINC Data directory from being actively scanned by that AV? Same question for other Anti-Malware programs.

Why XP SP2? Why not updated to SP3?
7025) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc gone mad (Message 50981)
Posted 23 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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No, never seen that before. But even then, as ever, without information it can be anyone's guess.
7026) Message boards : Questions and problems : All project with CUDA capabilities are freeze and Display driver stopped responding and has recovered.. (Message 50972)
Posted 22 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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I also just installed GPU-Z and when a CUDA task is running the GPU temp doesn't get above 55c, fan at 60%, GPU load at 41%? Maybe its just the work unit but why only 41% load on GPU? I'll keep an eye on it and see if other work units use more GPU.

The load percentage GPU-Z gives is a bit flawed. It would make you believe that the GPU doesn't use all its stream processors on the one task, but it does. No, what's meant with this load is that it doesn't use all available memory on the videocard. That you can run 2 or 3 tasks at the same time on there.

Although then 'at the same time' isn't correct, as the GPU then quickly switches between them. The present day GPUs cannot put part of their processors to work on one task and the rest on another task at the same time. Perhaps in the (far) future.
7027) Message boards : Questions and problems : 4 projects that run VM tasks and counting (Message 50970)
Posted 22 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded your post to the BOINC Alpha email list.
Can you in the mean time leave behind which BOINC version you're using for this?
7028) Message boards : Questions and problems : All project with CUDA capabilities are freeze and Display driver stopped responding and has recovered.. (Message 50968)
Posted 22 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Not sure why that wasn't useful? Didn't it show all the projects I'm attached to?

It does show all the projects you're attached to, but isn't useful.
E.g. these are all the David Johnson's at Einstein. None are you, because you don't name yourself David Johnson at projects, but instead dajohnso.

So instead, these are more useful:
10/22/2013 3:11:37 AM | rosetta@home | URL http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 1518755; resource share 100
10/22/2013 3:11:37 AM | superlinkattechnion | URL http://cbl-boinc-server2.cs.technion.ac.il/superlinkattechnion/; Computer ID 109671; resource share 0
10/22/2013 3:11:37 AM | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 4676852; resource share 100
10/22/2013 3:11:37 AM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 6418760; resource share 300
10/22/2013 3:11:37 AM | Spinhenge@home | URL http://spin.fh-bielefeld.de/; Computer ID 223333; resource share 50

Since they show not only the project you're attached to, but also the computer's hostID that we can then go to directly and check up on things.

E.g. your host at Einstein, where we can check how your tasks are doing, and when they have a computation error, click on such a result's ID to see what its stderr.txt wrote.

And then there's a lot of trouble going on.
Some have exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005) which can point out driver problems and RAM trouble.
Others have couldn't start app: Input file l1_0595.75_S6Directed missing or invalid: file missing which could be due to file or disk corruption. Or because it was written to during a sudden reboot.
Then others have There is not enough space on the disk. (0x70) - exit code 112 (0x70), which I think speaks for itself.
And last as an example, there's one I really don't know. Cannot create a symbolic link in a registry key that already has subkeys or values. (0x3fc) - exit code 1020 (0x3fc).

Do a disk check.
Do a thorough RAM check with memtest86+
It could be a problem with the motherboard (micro-fracture) that only shows up when things get warm enough.
There's nothing as impossibly difficult to diagnose as a system that throws its toys out of the pram for no good reason whatsoever.
7029) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50963)
Posted 22 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Me dusts down the benches, washes the windows, stocks up the peanuts and chips.
So... any Setian who gets caught in the maintenance shutdown can get by here for a couple of hours.
7030) Message boards : Questions and problems : All project with CUDA capabilities are freeze and Display driver stopped responding and has recovered.. (Message 50961)
Posted 22 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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That's not exactly useful. We can't do anything with that information, since there are plenty of David Johnson's at the projects, but none of them are you. I checked.

So please, post the first 40 lines of a BOINC start-up sequence, this will show the hostIDs of your computer at the projects as well.
7031) Message boards : Questions and problems : All project with CUDA capabilities are freeze and Display driver stopped responding and has recovered.. (Message 50955)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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I have fairly new 750W PS installed.

A bit of an A-brand, or a cheap PSU?

When I look at tasks there are frequently tasks with "computation error"

Well, you can check on those tasks what their stderr.txt said. If you don't want to, give at least a link to such an erroneous task, but a link to your system at the project page would be nice as well.

Also, which projects do you run, and if more than one, do you see this behaviour at all of them? Only on CPU tasks, on GPU tasks, or on both?
7032) Message boards : Questions and problems : How many processors? (Message 50954)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Is there something about how E@H tasks are built that means they have to run for a while before they start to register task progress? But you're probably not the best person to ask...!

Hence why I pointed out the E@H forums earlier. :-)
It's their application, they ought to know its ins and outs.

Thanks for the clear-up on the systems. Two systems then, check. :-)
7033) Message boards : Projects : Gridcoin -- First Cryptocurrency to Utilize BOINC (Message 50950)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Seeing how the link to your forum is corrupted, let me repost it:
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/1331-new-coin-launch-announcement-grc-gridcoin/
7034) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 50949)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Giving details
Now, we know that not everyone is as knowledgeable about the inner workings of his or her computer as the helpers are, but that does not mean that you cannot describe your problem to us. The forums have no real limitation on amount of letters and numbers you can use to make a post, so there is really no need for you to condense your request for help in 33 words (including the title) or less. We're here to help where we can, when we can. We're not creating the problems, nor should we ask 20 questions each time, just to get some basic information out of you. We don't have easy solutions to every problem either, while it's difficult to give you as solution if you're not forthcoming with information. So please work with us, instead of against us. As in the end, it's you who will still be without help. While the purpose why you came to these forums was to get help with your BOINC problem, wasn't it?

Technically challenged?
One note for you who you have a lot of experience with software or a degree in IT: it can be easy to think that you know more about what's going on than anyone else who may be here trying to help you. However, even the best of the best can overlook something, and it's considered rude if you talk down to people who are just trying to help you with a problem you may have. Telling people to trust you, because you know what you're doing, without giving a smidgen of information is counter-productive. The BOINC Development community is one with wildly varying technical skill levels, but in general it has a common goal: to assist those that do want to get help. A fresh perspective may get you an unexpected solution.
7035) Message boards : Questions and problems : How many processors? (Message 50946)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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About that...
http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=639474 is your list of computers at Einstein. Host 9214856 and 8806913 are essentially the same system.

9214856 all of a sudden had the 12.5.0 version of OS X and you've aborted all the work on that system;
8806913 couldn't finish a lot of the work it's been given in time for it to validate. It was already resent to other systems that had returned it before your system did.

So something fishy is going on anyway. What did you do with that system after the 27 Sep 2013? Something that went wrong and did you put a backup back?
7036) Message boards : Questions and problems : All project with CUDA capabilities are freeze and Display driver stopped responding and has recovered.. (Message 50945)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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I have 12 processors/cores (Intel Core i7-3930K CPU @ 3.2G) and 8G of ram and a brand new NVIDIA 770 that replaced an NVIDIA 260.

Did you change power supply units when you went from the one to the next GPU? If not, what is your present PSU rated at?

When I do calculations using http://support.asus.com/powersupply.aspx and http://www.corsair.com/us/learn_n_explore/?psu=yes (Thanks Claggy for the links), it'll throw a minimum PSU value of 750 Watts out. If you have anything less, then that can easily count for the instability problems that you see.
7037) Message boards : News : Client configuration add-on (Message 50942)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Your program is looking in the wrong directory. It looks for the BOINC Data directory in C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\, a directory that's never used for the data directory under Windows Vista, 7 or 8. It may be the directory in which the BOINC program files are installed, in this case on a 64bit Windows, with a 32bit BOINC installation.

However, I have:
1. a 64bit Windows 7.
2. a 64bit BOINC 7.2.23
3. my BOINC program installation directory is at P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC\

The correct place for the program to check where the DATADIR entry is, is from HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup
It will then find that the program directory is in my case at C:\ProgramData\BOINC

From my own FAQs on this subject:

BOINC Programs directory
The default directory where BOINC will install its executables to is:
Windows 32bit: C:/PROGRAM FILES/BOINC
Windows 64bit: C:/PROGRAM FILES (x86)/BOINC for 32bit BOINC, C:/PROGRAM FILES/BOINC for 64bit BOINC
Linux: wherever you are unpacking it/BOINC/
Macintosh: /Applications/BOINC/

BOINC data directory
The default directory where BOINC will install the data files to is:
Windows 98/SE/ME: C:/Windows/All Users/BOINC or C:Windows/Profiles/All Users/BOINC (*)
Windows 2000/XP: C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/BOINC (*)
Windows Vista/Windows 7: C:/ProgramData/BOINC (*)
Linux: wherever you unpack it/BOINC/
Macintosh OS X: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/

(*) This directory may well be hidden, so either put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer, or instruct Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
7038) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel 4000 GPU + nvidia 660 GPU ? (Message 50932)
Posted 21 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Well, it can't be added as a coprocessor to your GTX660, as to be that you'll need an Nvidia product such as the Tesla.
But normally you have to either change a setting in the BIOS/UEFI that you want to use both the embedded GPU and the external GPU, or you have to add a jumper to that effect on the motherboard.

What brand and model motherboard do you have?
7039) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel 4000 GPU + nvidia 660 GPU ? (Message 50929)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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I connected my second monitor to the onboard GPU and it is working. Now I am getting this weird thing on event log and a computational error.

10/20/2013 10:29:13 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 660 (driver version 327.23, CUDA version 5.50, compute capability 3.0, 2048MB, 1847MB available, 2132 GFLOPS peak)
10/20/2013 10:29:13 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 660 (driver version 327.23, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 2048MB, 1847MB available, 2132 GFLOPS peak)
10/20/2013 10:29:13 AM | | app version refers to missing GPU type intel_gpu
10/20/2013 10:29:13 AM | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing intel_gpu GPU
10/20/2013 10:29:13 AM | | Config: use all coprocessors


Nothing weird about it, it still isn't working. Your Intel GPU is still not being detected. Only your Nvidia GPU is being detected.

It was doing so in your first log as well:
10/17/2013 10:56:09 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 660 (driver version 327.23, CUDA version 5.50, compute capability 3.0, 2048MB, 1764MB available, 2132 GFLOPS peak)
10/17/2013 10:56:09 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 660 (driver version 327.23, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 2048MB, 1764MB available, 2132 GFLOPS peak)
10/17/2013 10:56:09 PM | | app version refers to missing GPU type intel_gpu
10/17/2013 10:56:09 PM | Einstein@Home | Application uses missing intel_gpu GPU

7040) Message boards : News : Client configuration add-on (Message 50928)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Just tested it, it can't even find my cc_config.xml file when I start the executable.

Just tested the last year's version with my 7.0.64 client and it works well. Could you help me to improve the program by telling your exact using scenario?

I'm using BOINC 7.2.23 - 64bit (Change Log has download links), on Windows 7, with the data directory residing in C:\Programdata\BOINC\

I unzipped the ccConfig.zip file into the data directory, so that the ccConfig.exe is IN the data directory. Starting it from there, be it as the regular user or as the system administrator will always yield a message box stating it failed to load the cc_config.xml file. Even after having loaded it once from the program, then exiting and restarting the program, will it not load the cc_config.xml file.

7041) Message boards : GPUs : No GPU projects, but AMD Graphics Chip can't suspend. (Message 50913)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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As you've noticed, plenty of people read your post, but no one answered. This is mainly because we haven't got a clue what you're trying to tell us or ask.

E.g. how do you set the Graphics options on High Performance to BOINC Manager?

What do you mean by But if GPU calculation is stoped (because computer using), then Graphics chip still running.; where do you check this?

That is no bug, because High Performance is set to BOINC Manager, but more better is set this performance to separately every calc application and after suspend calculation suspend graphics chip too.
I can't make heads or tails from this. Care to explain better?

Which BOINC version are you using?
Which projects are you running?
What CPU do you have?
7042) Message boards : Questions and problems : one more feature to make perfect (Message 50912)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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I think you missed the usage rules and privacy policy: Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.

People have been fired for running BOINC on company/school computers. So do make sure your Boss says it's OK or else when caught, suffer the consequences.

Then there is a way to do what you want, it's just cumbersome. For BOINC it doesn't really matter which computer does the calculations on the data you download for the project, as long as the computer that downloaded the data also uploads it.

So you can easily download the work at home, put the whole data directory on a USB stick, upload that to the computer at work, then at the end of the day reverse, download the data directory back onto the USB stick and at home upload the data. Mind, this can only be done if the OS at both places is the same (e.g. Windows - Windows, Linux - Linux, Mac OS X - Mac OS X), as then the project's science applications will be the same.
7043) Message boards : News : Client configuration add-on (Message 50901)
Posted 18 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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I'm emailing David about it. Just tested it, it can't even find my cc_config.xml file when I start the executable.
7044) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screen saver preventing monitor from sleeping (Message 50899)
Posted 18 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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No idea where the call to shutdown comes from? the motherboard I assume?

The BIOS or UEFI is where the monitor shutdown call comes from. It does require that you have correct drivers for your monitor installed, ones that Windows can then use to relay the sleep signal to the monitor. Or that you need a BIOS/UEFI update.
7045) Message boards : Questions and problems : All project with CUDA capabilities are freeze and Display driver stopped responding and has recovered.. (Message 50896)
Posted 18 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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Use Blue Screen View to see what the BSOD said and post that information here.

The system freezing could point to:
1. A corrupted driver. Have you tried to fully uninstall the display driver before reinstalling it? The motherboard driver?
2. A bad Power Supply Unit. Especially if there was a spike due to lightning.
3. Damaged hardware, and then more specifically, the GPU. Games and benchmark programs use the GPU differently, they don't put the GPU completely under load for several minutes to hours. A power spike can have damaged your videocard. Or RAM. Or (part of your) motherboard.
7046) Message boards : GPUs : Suspending GPU computation when computer is in use (by other user) (Message 50893)
Posted 18 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
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BOINC installed from where? Berkeley or repositories?
Under which Linux?
Installed as a daemon?
7047) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel 4000 GPU + nvidia 660 GPU ? (Message 50891)
Posted 18 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And if that doesn't answer your question, then please give a lot more information, as at this moment it's just anyone's guess what it could be. (Shakes crystal orb and hears something rattling)
7048) Message boards : Questions and problems : redhat 6.4; latest boinc not compiling (Message 50888)
Posted 17 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends I think on what you're trying to accomplish. Build the client/manager or not?
7049) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 50886)
Posted 17 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
BOINC 7.2.23 release client released for all platforms.

Howdy Folks,

This release fixes the issues with OpenCL CPU detection event log entries previously reported and updates the localization files.

This is a public release candidate, so please report your test results. The sooner we get to 100% coverage, the sooner we can release a new public release.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/. Please report bugs to the Alpha email list (requires registration for first-time posters).

----- Rom

For Change Log and download links, see this post.
7050) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50885)
Posted 17 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.23 available for testing for Linux, Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.22 --> 7.2.23:

  • linux build: add -lpthread
  • client: keep an in-memory list of reported tasks in the last 24 hours, and add a GUI RPC for fetching this list.
  • client: fix compile errors.
  • client and boinccmd: fixes for get_old_results GUI RPC.
    -> Add binding for get_old_results GUI RPC.
    -> Add --get_old_tasks option to boinccmd.
    -> Compile fixes for gcc (can't have a var named "or").

  • client: change length of old-results log from 24 hours to 1 hour.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.2.23
- boinc_7.2.23_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.23_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.23_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Windows 7.2.23
- boinc_7.2.23_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.23_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.2.23
- boinc_7.2.23_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.23_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7051) Message boards : Questions and problems : How many processors? (Message 50884)
Posted 17 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When looking at http://ark.intel.com/products/50072/Intel-Core-i5-2540M-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz, it shows that the CPU has 2 cores, but runs 4 threads. It also shows that this processor supports Hyper-Threading technology, which means that for each physical core it can make a logical core that the operating system will see as a real core. Thus why BOINC says you've got 4 processors, or more correctly, 4 cores. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading for the ins and outs.

BOINC will by default use all the processors that the operating system says there are available, which is why you have 4 tasks starting up.

When applications do not show any percentage of work done, you best report this at the affected project's web site. The actual project applications are developed and maintained by the project, not by BOINC. So in this case, you best post about it in the Problems and Bug Reports forum at Einstein.
7052) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I uninstall? (Message 50873)
Posted 17 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307895

The program to uninstall is called BOINC.
7053) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Windows cannot find" error message (Message 50870)
Posted 17 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Windows used is Windows XP, not any server version with an SQL database running on it. So no.

Unless you meant that BOINC would use TCP port 25 for any of its communications, but it doesn't. It uses TCP port 80 for HTTP and 443 for HTTPS communications, apart from 31416 for its internal communication between parts.
7054) Message boards : Documentation : BOINC Says I Don't Exist (Message 50866)
Posted 17 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC Wiki is separate from these forums, you need separate registration for it.
Not sure if registration is open, I think we locked it again, after the last flood of spammers.
If you feel you require an account there, email David or Rom for an account.

Apropos, the other BOINC Wiki requires separate registration as well. None of them run from the same database as these forums.
7055) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Windows cannot find" error message (Message 50864)
Posted 16 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Both my machines are connected to a Westell Model 7500 DSL modem/router

That is your LAN, which is an abbreviation for Local Area Network. The computers will have an IP address in the 192.168.1.xxx range, and if you didn't change it, be using the WORKGROUP network group in Windows. Even two computers on a router can make up a LAN. They don't even have to be able to talk to each other, aka share anything.

But why then does my primary machine have "Broadband connection" in that box?

Perhaps a left-over from an older setup, at one time that you had that computer connected directly to a modem?

In any case, it doesn't matter much. When it's not in the way, just leave it be.

P.S: You did see my other post to you, about the possibility of it being a virus?
7056) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Windows cannot find" error message (Message 50862)
Posted 16 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
There doesn't need to be anything in that box. When your connection is managed by Windows (as in you have a LAN connection), the box will be empty.

Only when that computer is connected directly to the broadband modem, will it show up. When you have a router between the modem and all your computers, it won't show up. Then you're just using the network connection (LAN). Which is managed by Windows.
7057) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Windows cannot find" error message (Message 50860)
Posted 16 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something else to consider, is that your system has become infected with a virus. Even with an up-to-date anti virus, it's possible that something snuck by.

Since you can't trust anything on your system, you may want to scan using one of the online AV scanners. Such as TrendMicro, BitDefender or Eset. Best run them from Internet Explorer, I found when trying them in a Firefox clone that they don't work so well.

Alternatively, try Malwarebytes AntiMalware, and then its Chameleon version. That one will try to run even if a virus on your computer does not allow you to run (most) AV/AM scanners: http://www.malwarebytes.org/products/chameleon/
7058) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 50849)
Posted 15 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tool-Time-Tim

Nah, let's not. :-)

Instead: Ikea.
7059) Message boards : BOINC client : Android BOINC - bad battery management problem (Message 50835)
Posted 13 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You best register to the BOINC Android Testing Google Group and repost your post there. That's where the BOINC for Android developers read and answer.
7060) Message boards : Questions and problems : Private messages from all projects (Message 50833)
Posted 12 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the last few hours, I have received private messages from all the ten projects I am subscribed to, inviting me to log on to these sites.

Private messages from whom?
Really PMs, or emails?
What was the text? (give one example, if text was the same).
Which projects?
7061) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50829)
Posted 12 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.22 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.21 --> 7.2.22:

  • client: fix Event Log descriptions of OpenCL CPUs:

    -> Show the OpenCL platform vendor for each OpenCL CPU description.
    -> OpenCL may not reliably report total RAM, available RAM and max FLOPS for CPUs, so exclude these from the OpenCL CPU descriptions; that information is available elsewhere.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.2.22
- boinc_7.2.22_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.22_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.22_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7062) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 50826)
Posted 10 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The new 7.2.21 has the installer bug fixed.
If you had an old version, delete it and download the new one.
You will have to uninstall BOINC prior to being able to install this version. The new installer won't let you repair install BOINC or install over a previous 7.2.21.
7063) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 50824)
Posted 10 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.2.21 has an installer bug, which causes the installer to tell you after the installation that 'a component' did not update and that you'll have to run Repair Installation. It'll do this after the repair installation as well. It'll also do it on a clean installation,
7064) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50823)
Posted 10 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.21 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.20 --> 7.2.21:

  • client: Detect OpenCL CPUs with the latest Intel drivers.
  • client: Display an OpenCL CPU event log item for every OpenCL CPU detected.
  • client: Do not use child process GPU detection when debugging.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.21
- boinc_7.2.21_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.21_windows_x86_64.exe

7065) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50822)
Posted 10 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.20 available for testing for Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.16 --> 7.2.20:

  • LIB: On Windows, if the registry key that defines where the data directory is missing, check to see if the default directory exists anyway. If the directory exists change the current working directory over to it.
  • LIB: A little code cleanup missed from the previous commit.
  • WINBUILD: Delete stale project files.
  • WINBUILD: Create new BOINC w/VirtualBox project files, update to VirtualBox 4.2.16
  • LIB: Provide a mechanism for BOINC client software to initialize the exception filter for secondary threads.
  • client: Initialize diagnostics framework for the power management and proxy detection threads on Windows.
  • client: Add vm_extensions_disabled as an element to APP_INIT_DAATA. We can use the additional information to selectively enable/disable hardware acceleration in VirtualBox.



Available installers:

Linux 7.2.20
- boinc_7.2.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.20_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7066) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 50821)
Posted 10 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
BOINC 7.2.20 released for Linux

It is the same as the 7.2.18 release for Windows and Mac.

Please log test results against 7.2.18.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Change Log for 7.2.16 -> 7.2.20 and download links.
7067) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 50820)
Posted 10 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
BOINC 7.2.18 released for Windows and Mac

Howdy Folks,

This release contains a few changes over the 7.2.5 release:

* Detection of OpenCL CPU drivers.

* Updated localization files for pretty much all the supported languages.

* Support for HTTPS urls in notices. (used by E@H)

* Support for running VirtualBox VMs when installed as a service (Windows Only). It was already supported on Mac and Linux.

Are there any projects currently testing out OpcnCL CPU Apps?

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/. Please report bugs to this email list.


----- Rom

Change Log for 7.2.16 -> 7.2.18 & download links.
7068) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50813)
Posted 8 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then just listen to the music and turn the monitor off. ;-)
7069) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50810)
Posted 8 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I need cheering up.

Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZG1_oJpLtk
7070) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50808)
Posted 8 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, luckily I had replaced the floor sail not too long ago, and apparently thinking ahead, I had it raised on the sides. So the sail acted like a bath tub. No spillage.

It did cost us just about all tea towels, towels and one roll of paper towels to get everything dry-ish. ;-)
7071) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50804)
Posted 8 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Earlier, I tried filling my central heating system, when the hose blew itself off the fill-point. Anyone want to guess how many liters or gallons of foul smelling water we cleaned off the kitchen floor? Pressure before fill-disaster 1.2 bar, now 0.3 bar. Yikes!
7072) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU problem on Mac OS X with 7.0.65 (Message 50796)
Posted 7 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the BOINC developer for the Mac about this, and this is what he just answered me:
Hi Jord,

I haven't installed Maverick yet, but in the past when a new version of Mac OS X was released, CUDA needed a new set of divers from NVIDIA. And NVIDIA usually has not had new drivers ready by the time a new OS X was released, but soon afterward. At this time, Maverick is available only to registered Mac developers, so it hasn't even been officially released yet to the general public.

They should check whether NVIDIA has released a new set of CUDA drivers for Maverick, and install them when they become available. When you install CUDA on the Mac, it also installs a pane in the System Preferences. When you open this pane, it automatically checks if new drivers are available and allows you to download and install them if they are.

I just now checked (with an older version of OS X) and see that the CUDA 5.5.28 driver update is now available. I don't know whether or not this is a fix for Maverick.

Cheers,
--Charlie
7073) Message boards : Questions and problems : I joined a second project, now my first is getting starved (Message 50793)
Posted 7 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if I had been running SETI for a whole year and now decided I wanted to give 50% to another project? It would then be running almost only that for another whole year!

No, it would be shorter than that. Still within 14 days, if I am not mistaken.
As a rule of thumb, it takes about 14 days for BOINC to normalize when you add a project. Doesn't matter how long other projects have already had their run.
7074) Message boards : Questions and problems : I joined a second project, now my first is getting starved (Message 50791)
Posted 7 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You ran Seti for 10 days and then joined a second project. If the second project has the same resource share value as the first, it'll take several days before BOINC will equalize between the two. Perhaps even as much as 10 days, since that's the amount of time you've given to Seti already.

Had you started Seti and Rosetta at the same time, it would've equalized already. Now, you'll just have to have patience.

I had to manually click Update just to get new tasks,

If BOINC gets work for Seti when you click Update, it would've gotten it itself in due time. As all the rest of the time, when BOINC deems it totally unnecessary to get work for the other project, clicking Update won't get you any.

Therefore, unless you want a crash course in learning the intricacies of the underlying system of how BOINC does fetch work and when it does so, best leave BOINC well alone. Before you have to wait another 10 days. :-)
7075) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU problem on Mac OS X with 7.0.65 (Message 50787)
Posted 6 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You said that under the previous Operating System everything worked, both GPUs were found. You installed a new Operating System and now one of your GPUs is no longer found. If nothing but your OS (and possibly CUDA driver) changed, how can it be BOINC its fault?

BOINC looks for /usr/local/cuda/lib/libcuda.dylib under OS X to see if you have GPUs installed that are CUDA capable, and if so, which ones that are. When your GPU is not or no longer included in the list of CUDA capable GPUs in that library, it cannot be detected by BOINC. There's nothing that BOINC can do or change about that.

So, options:
- Mavericks installs CUDA drivers elsewhere, where BOINC isn't looking for them.
- There's a bug is the CUDA detection for some GPUs in Mavericks.
- The thing to be aware of may have bitten you in your foot: Some newer MacBooks have dual GPUs with automatic switching. BOINC won't detect the NVIDIA or ATI/AMD GPU unless it is currently selected.
- Cosmic Rays.

7076) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU problem on Mac OS X with 7.0.65 (Message 50782)
Posted 6 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since the CUDA drivers are built into OS X, it's not a BOINC problem, but rather one with your OS. Also proven by the fact that before you upgraded to your new OS, everything worked.

You can try to use a different driver. If your OS lets you.
7077) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installer 7.0.65 will not run on Mac 10.8.5 (Message 50780)
Posted 6 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I moved your thread to Q&P as it wasn't a BOINC Manager problem.

Now then, as for your problem, it almost sounds as if you have a corrupt installer on your hands. Try to download the BOINC installer again, saving it to a different location this time. Wait until it's completely downloaded before starting the installer.

As for error messages, I'm sure that OS X logs everything that the programs on there do in some form of log or viewer. BOINC itself logs problems with itself to the std*.txt files, but these are useless in this case as they don't log what the installers do.
7078) Message boards : Questions and problems : questions on SMP running of BOINC (Message 50778)
Posted 5 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there is no such option in the client or the manager.

It is on the to do list for a future version of BOINC.
7079) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 development discussion thread. (Message 50777)
Posted 5 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
A discussion thread about development versions of BOINC 7.2, the ones pointed out in the BOINC 7.2 change log thread.
You can leave reports here that things went astray, or that you had a specific error message or number. Or you can just tell us that everything went well when you updated.

When you do post about an error, could you please state what the error was?
Also please follow the guidelines stipulated in this thread.

And when you do post may we please ask that you do so without adding your signature? With thanks.

To do so, when you make a post in this thread, uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" and then make your post. Your signature will still be enabled on other posts, just not this one. You can also edit your post during an hour and take the signature out.
We ask that you post without a signature to keep the purpose of this thread clear: News about project outages, not about how many credits you have or what team you want us to join.
It's not that difficult to do and it gives the moderators even less work to do, as we don't have to remove your post. So please...
7080) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50776)
Posted 5 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.18 available for testing for Macintosh, Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.16 --> 7.2.18:

  • LIB: On Windows, if the registry key that defines where the data directory is missing, check to see if the default directory exists anyway. If the directory exists change the current working directory over to it.
  • LIB: A little code cleanup missed from the previous commit.
  • WINBUILD: Delete stale project files.
  • WINBUILD: Create new BOINC w/VirtualBox project files, update to VirtualBox 4.2.16
  • LIB: Provide a mechanism for BOINC client software to initialize the exception filter for secondary threads.
  • client: Initialize diagnostics framework for the power management and proxy detection threads on Windows.
  • client: Add vm_extensions_disabled as an element to APP_INIT_DAATA. We can use the additional information to selectively enable/disable hardware acceleration in VirtualBox.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.18
- boinc_7.2.18_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.18_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.2.18
- boinc_7.2.18_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.18_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.18_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7081) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL but no CAL? (Message 50764)
Posted 4 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure I understand what your problem is? Don't you want to use a later driver than 13.5? Or don't you want to use 13.5? Or do you explicitly want to use 12.5?

That the 12.5 driver may not see the CAL portion of the GPU, could be because at that time the driver didn't know about the HD7790. This GPU is one from March 2013.
7082) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing error (Message 50762)
Posted 3 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm, I don't know. How about you giving us any hints on system used, project you're talking about etc.
7083) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Tasks (Message 50750)
Posted 2 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great. Glad to have been of help.
The bill's in the post. :-)
7084) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Tasks (Message 50748)
Posted 2 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager can be told to use a specific port at its startup as well.
I've dealt with this before, and Fred of BOINC Tasks posted in that thread as well. So why not start with this thread, post 50100 and further down, then let us know if that helped you?
7085) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client freezing randomly while computer is idle (Message 50746)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're the second one in short succession complaining about this, but do look at gcoffelt's thread and see what he did for solutions.

PS: Since you are the second person in rapid succession with a similar problem, I have forwarded your both threads to the developers as well.
7086) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50743)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've edited it into my 'welcome back' post in Jeff's thread in the news. Easy peasy.
7087) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50741)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No way, before I know it my post will be moved out of Science, as it isn't scientific enough. Besides, I've read enough of his crap. He's on my ignore list.
7088) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50738)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I suppose that Thursday is not a good day for Seti to be up, as then California will be devastated by a 9.7 earthquake. Yeah.

Well they've got a triumvirate of prophecies, seems it'll happen.

Perhaps someone should prod Idiotic Design about it when Seti's back up. Although, he'll probably point out that since it's the Lord who said it's going to happen, that that is proof enough.
7089) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50715)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can type bullshit here.
Or bullcrap.
Or bollocks. :-)

We ain't Seti where small children read the Cafe.
7090) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50712)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I suppose that Thursday is not a good day for Seti to be up, as then California will be devastated by a 9.7 earthquake. Yeah.
7091) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Tasks (Message 50707)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The --gui_rpc_port N is a command you use on boinc.exe, not on boinccmd.exe

So you start the client with boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31418 if you want that client to communicate with a BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) on TCP port 31418.
7092) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50701)
Posted 1 Oct 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The cause for the electrical shutdown, was a campuswide power outage and transformer explosion.
7093) Message boards : Questions and problems : Inability to function/connect after a bounce. (Message 50689)
Posted 30 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you mean with when you bounce the machine?
Fast user switch?

Apropos, the message that BOINC Manager cannot connect to the client does not mean that it cannot connect to a project. The client (boinc.exe) is probably running, as well as any project science applications. It's just that BOINC manager (boincmgr.exe) cannot make contact with the client and show you what's happening.

When you installed BOINC, did you tell it that all users were allowed to control BOINC? But really, it would be nice to know what bouncing the machine means, as it all hinges on that.
7094) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work Units Freezing Progress (Message 50687)
Posted 30 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The stopping and restarting problem persists though...

Could it be heat, that your hardware or OS kicks in a pause of all software because the CPU is overheating? Have you ever cleaned out that system, taken all the dust-bunnies down? If that's even possible on that model of an iMac. I see here it's a flat-screen model. Does that even come with a good CPU cooler?

Checking into that, I see iFixit did so with an older model. Uhm, you may want to take it to a retailer to see if it's dust/heat related. Warranty and all.
7095) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I uninstall? (Message 50686)
Posted 30 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default action option for BOINC is not to use the GPU for calculations while the computer is in use. The user can override this by setting BOINC to run Always, or to use the GPU while the computer is in use.

You could also opt-out of using the GPU at the project preferences. That way your laptop would still do useful science.

But you're the boss over your own hardware and software, including what viruses you like to have on there. :-)
7096) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Mgr Constantly Indicating New Notices Received (Message 50679)
Posted 30 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->Set Notices reminder interval to Never->OK.
7097) Message boards : Questions and problems : Intel gpu as second gpu, assistance requested (Message 50670)
Posted 29 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want to learn how to use the cc_config.xml file, BOINC has a Wiki. Now, when I fill in boinc cc_config.xml into Google, the very first link brings me to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration.

There you'll see that you were missing the <options></options> tags and that anything in square brackets is optional. XML language does not use square brackets [] for anything, only angle brackets <>.

Also, the <coproc/> tag is used to specify which GPU you want to use at a specific project, and is only used in combination with the anonymous platform, or app_info.xml file.

You're not using the anonymous platform at any of your projects, so you don't have to use the cc_config.xml file in this form.
If, ever, one of your GPUs gets to be detected but shown 'Not used', then you do want to have a cc_config.xml file, with the following in it:

<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

Nothing more. Save that into the BOINC data directory (the hidden directory at C:\ProgramData\BOINC), and exit & restart BOINC to get it to be used.
7098) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7 does not resume after user activity (Message 50660)
Posted 27 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
A bug report without much ado, as we miss the precise distro you run, plus version numbers of the affected libraries. The idle detection method for BOINC running under Linux is done through use of xprintidle, that queries the X-server for the user's idle
time.

If your distro is one that uses a different method of measuring idle time, then BOINC won't be able to check if your system is idle or not. It doesn't help much either that there's differences between various distros, as well as between how Gnome and KDE do things.

That's also why the developers of BOINC build BOINC using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
But even then it is not guaranteed that everything will work. Depends on the libraries on your system and if they're up-to-date, or updated to beyond what BOINC needs, and if they're backward compatible, etc.

Any distro no Ubuntu will have a working BOINC in its repositories. That BOINC is built by the package maintainer against the libraries available in that distro. Anything not working, is then best reported to the package maintainer, it isn't something that the developers have to know about.
7099) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50645)
Posted 26 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
A new thread. This time I will enforce that anyone posting with his signature on will have his post removed without remorse. If you find that you don't have to follow the request to not post with your signature in this one thread, then I don't think you have anything to say that others need to read.

And really, in the case of branjo, a 3 word sentence with a signature that takes up 3/4 of my 23" screen at 1920x1080 pixels? What were you thinking?

As such, everyone is twice warned now. No need to quickly post your message. It takes one extra click to not add your signature to this reply, must be less than a second. You have no excuse that you didn't do so, or after mistakenly posting couldn't come back and edit your post to take the signature off.
7100) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50643)
Posted 26 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Volunteer supplied posts about project outages will continue to appear here. Please keep it on topic, post as much about the project outage itself or return of the project only. Want to have an in-depth discussion? There's a whole forum outside this thread that you can start a new thread in.

May we please ask that when you post, to do so without adding your signature? With thanks.

To do so, when you make a post in this thread, uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" and then make your post. Your signature will still be enabled on other posts, just not this one. You can also edit your post during an hour and take the signature out.
We ask that you post without a signature to keep the purpose of this thread clear: News about project outages, not about how many credits you have or what team you want us to join.
It's not that difficult to do and it gives the moderators even less work to do, as we don't have to remove your post. So please...
7101) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50638)
Posted 25 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Pirates server crashed earlier today and Eric hasn't been able to get it back up yet. Emailing Eric isn't helping either, as his email's out. But he has promised me that he'll take a look at it as soon as possible. :-)

Edit: It's back up already.
7102) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Limiting CPU usage (Message 50625)
Posted 24 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, don't run BOINC on the server then, or do not use that option to pause the CPU. There are plenty of other options to do so.

This option will only suspend BOINC when other, non-BOINC processes, use that much amount of CPU cycles. Project science applications are not non-BOINC processes, so they'll continue to use the CPU cycles. Only other processes, such as a text editor, are measured.

The option will only work when you actually run BOINC based on preferences (Activity menu). If it's set to Run Always, well...
When you simply want to throttle the CPU usage, use the Use at most X% of CPU time option for that. Or set up the amount of cores BOINC may use to anything less than all, if it's a multiprocessor setup.

But as you say, the server isn't yours. May I remind you of the Usage rules? Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission.
7103) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available (Message 50613)
Posted 23 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm on another waiting list, but this time for treatment, Yay!
I did get the warning that when I've had the treatment, that I may not walk on my foot for a week, only the short hops to the toilet and such. Then after that week, I may lightly use it, slowly building up. After 4 months there should be definite progress, but if not this treatment can be done once more (with all the no walking on it for a week added etc.)

If there is progress, it can take anywhere between 6 months and a year before I'm over it. I can't wait. :-)
7104) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 50612)
Posted 23 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bethesda
7105) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc v7.2.11 for over a month... (Message 50604)
Posted 22 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.2.16 has been retracted.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

As of right now the 7.2 release process is on hold until I can get my new computer setup and running. My old computer died a couple of weeks ago.

Installshield only allows you to forcefully (without using the uninstaller) reclaim a per node license once a year. I figure it is best to just wait for the new machine than risk that the uninstaller on my notebook properly frees up the license.

If I get lucky in setting up the new computer I can restore from a backup and I'll be back in business within a day or two. If I'm unlucky it'll take a week before I'm ready to go.

7.2.16 was an experiment which I'm going to delete off the BOINC server. If you already have it installed that is fine. The only bugs I'll be able to potentially address are going to be ones that occur after installation.

----- Rom
7106) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc aborts (Message 50598)
Posted 21 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Claggys asked for a link to your hostID, but else either post the nickname you use at Einstein, or exit BOINC & restart it, then post the first 40 lines from the start-up messages you find in the Event Log under CTRL+SHIFT+E.
7107) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc v7.2.11 for over a month... (Message 50596)
Posted 21 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
That there were no other test clients out for so long, was because of the need to mature the BOINC for Android client a lot more, while on the other hand the main build system of the build developer had broken down, so he couldn't build a new BOINC even if he had wanted to.
7108) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50595)
Posted 21 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.16 retracted.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

As of right now the 7.2 release process is on hold until I can get my new computer setup and running. My old computer died a couple of weeks ago.

Installshield only allows you to forcefully (without using the uninstaller) reclaim a per node license once a year. I figure it is best to just wait for the new machine than risk that the uninstaller on my notebook properly frees up the license.

If I get lucky in setting up the new computer I can restore from a backup and I'll be back in business within a day or two. If I'm unlucky it'll take a week before I'm ready to go.

7.2.16 was an experiment which I'm going to delete off the BOINC server. If you already have it installed that is fine. The only bugs I'll be able to potentially address are going to be ones that occur after installation.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.11 --> 7.2.16:

  • Mac uninstaller: minor translation fixes.
  • Mac installer: fix handling of translations for some languages.
  • Mac installer: More robust handling of language codes with and without region codes for translations.
  • Mac installer: Don't load more languages for a catalog if we've already loaded it for English.
  • client and API, Unix: code cleanup, no functional change.
  • client: more MAXPATHLEN fixes.
  • LOCALE: Update translations.
  • MGR: When a project uses usernames check the length of the string in the username control and not the password control. Same with the email address control.
  • MGR: message tweaks.
  • client: AMD GPU naming tweak. From Jord.
  • locale: Update compiled localization files.
  • Client: keep an in-memory list of reported tasks in the last 24 hours, and add a GUI RPC for fetching this list.
  • client: fix compile errors.

    "or" is a reserved word on the Mac's LLVM GCC 4.2 compiler, a synonym for ""

  • client and boinccmd: fixes for get_old_results GUI RPC:

    -> Add binding for get_old_results GUI RPC.
    -> Add --get_old_tasks option to boinccmd.
    -> Compile fixes for gcc (can't have a var named "or").

  • client: change length of old-results log from 24 hours to 1 hour.
  • client: Add missing code to properly detect AVX on Windows. It'll go into affect (effect) when we fully convert over to VS2010.
  • client: misc bug fixes for CPU feature detection.
  • locale: Update more compiled localization files.
  • MGR: Fix display of CBOINCListCtrl progress bars when using wxGenericListCtrl (on Mac).
  • MGR: Implement accessibility on Mac for Event Log and Projects, Tasks and Transfers tabs.
    -> CDlgEventLogListCtrl class.
    -> CBOINCListCtrl class.

  • client: implement support for OpenCL detection of CPUs

    Notes:
    -> The same CPU can have a different cpu_opencl_prop for each of multiple OpenCL platforms. We send them all to the project server because:
    ---> Different OpenCL platforms report different values for the same CPU.
    ---> Some OpenCL CPU apps may work better with certain OpenCL platforms.
    -> OpenCL has only 64 bits for global_mem_size, so it can report a max of only 4GB; get the CPU RAM size from gstate.hostinfo.m_nbytes.

  • lib: fix a comment.
  • client: For compatibility with boinc_get_opencl_ids(), don't include CPU when enumerating opencl_dev_index.
  • client: better error handling for OpenCL CPUs.
  • Move OpenCL-related code to a separate file.
  • Update Win project files for new .cpp file.
  • Update Mac project files for new .cpp file.
  • WINBUILD: Fix build break.

7109) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks keep being restarted Mac 10.8.5 Boinc 7.0.65 (Message 50589)
Posted 20 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you for the compliment. I do try to help everyone, even when I know neigh on nothing about their operating system (such as Mac OS X. ;-)) But knowing a lot about BOINC helps in this.

Not sure how much others appreciate my (I'm certainly not alone in helping here, though) efforts. There are those, like you, who come back and work with the helpers to get to a --for them-- workable solution. There are those who give up somewhere in the middle. And there are those who post once, never to be seen again. I always take it personally that those don't return, as with them we lose potential resources.

But alas, we can't help 'em all. If you don't want my help, what am I to do about it? :-)

In any case, glad your system is working now. If you have anything else you want to ask, you know where we live. Well, sort of. :-)
7110) Message boards : Questions and problems : 10 projects and no new tasks for weeks.. (Message 50588)
Posted 20 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
<disk_max_used_pct>10.000000</disk_max_used_pct>
<disk_min_free_gb>100.000000</disk_min_free_gb>

I wonder if the two values above do it.
How big is your hard drive? BOINC says you have Disk: 372.60 GB total, 200.10 GB free, but is your hard drive really only ~375 GB big? So I am looking for the total hard drive space value, in Gigabytes.
How much space is free on the total hard drive? The 200 GB BOINC says is free is on the present partition that's on that hard drive.

If you're not sure how to get the total drive space info, do: right-click My Computer->Manage->Storage->Disk Management. I'm interested in the drive space for the drive that the C: partition sits on.
7111) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Migrating BOINC to another installation. (Message 50584)
Posted 19 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently that happens when a second Windows installation is made into the same partition that originally had some Documents and Settings folders from another installation. To avoid conflicts - even if one of the windows installations has since been got rid of - the Windows installer adds the *.WINDOWS part.
7112) Message boards : Questions and problems : 10 projects and no new tasks for weeks.. (Message 50582)
Posted 19 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You did take those preferences from the local preferences, as I pointed out? These override any web-preferences.

Can you else please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and the global_prefs_override.xml file? You can find these in your BOINC Data directory, at C:\ProgramData\BOINC (probably a hidden directory, just fill in the path to it in Windows Explorer and hit Enter). You can open these XML files with Notepad, no need for an XML program. Don't open them in Internet Explorer either, as that adds characters that aren't there.
7113) Message boards : Questions and problems : 10 projects and no new tasks for weeks.. (Message 50579)
Posted 19 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, also good catch. I read over that one.
Rino, since you seem to be using your local preferences, check what it says for Disk usage under (Advanced view->)Tools->Computing preferences->Disk and memory usage.
7114) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 50578)
Posted 19 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Arrrr, 'bugged' my matey.

It's International Talk Like A Pirate Day today, hence the speak. And since I am moderator anyway....
7115) Message boards : Questions and problems : 10 projects and no new tasks for weeks.. (Message 50576)
Posted 19 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is your BOINC set to Suspend? BOINC Manager->Activity->Suspend?
Are the projects set to Suspend? BOINC Manager->Projects tab->Any project status Suspended?
Are the projects set to No new tasks? BOINC Manager->Projects tab->Any projects status Won't get new tasks?
Is there any work (still) suspended? BOINC Manager->Tasks tab->Status of any work in cache?
What are your project preferences set for, with regard to CPU and GPU usage?

BOINC is obviously asking for work from eon2, Rosetta and Cosmology, but only for the Nvidia GPU. Nothing for the CPU. Which makes me believe then that you only have set project preferences to use the GPU, not the CPU. Or that the CPU Activity is set to Suspended.
7116) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Migrating BOINC to another installation. (Message 50574)
Posted 19 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're looking for the data directory, and then the account_*.xml files, possibly client_state.xml + client_state_prev.xml, and the \projects\ directory with all the subdirectories and files therein.

Under XP this can be found at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\
Under Win7 this moves to C:\Programdata\BOINC\

In both cases this can be a hidden directory, so either make sure Windows Explorer can show hidden files and folders, or fill in the path directly into Windows Explorer and hit Enter.
7117) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks keep being restarted Mac 10.8.5 Boinc 7.0.65 (Message 50566)
Posted 18 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't seem to have a global_prefs_override.xml file
:
Your log indicates differently:
Mon Sep 16 09:40:33 2013 | | Reading preferences override file

That means it's using the local (advanced) preferences, which are written into the global_prefs_override.xml file. Unless you went and clicked Clear in the preferences window, and did so between when you made the log and now.

<suspend_cpu_usage>0</suspend_cpu_usage>

But yes, the online preferences state that the value for Suspend work when non-BOINC CPU usage is above X% is now 0%. Could it still have been set to a different value in the now vanished override preferences. And as it indicates in the name of the file, these preferences override the same preferences from the web site.
7118) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks keep being restarted Mac 10.8.5 Boinc 7.0.65 (Message 50559)
Posted 18 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and of your global_prefs_override.xml file?
7119) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks keep being restarted Mac 10.8.5 Boinc 7.0.65 (Message 50558)
Posted 17 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC consists primarily of two parts:
- a client part that does all the scheduling what work to run next and that caches all of the work;
- a graphical user interface to make commanding the client easier.

You can run the client (boinc.exe under Windows, boinc-client under Linux, boinc under Mac OS X) just by itself. You can separately start BOINC Manager (the GUI). You can then exit BOINC Manager and leave the client --and the science applications-- running.

So it isn't so strange that when you exit BOINC Manager (or quit it), that the BOINC binary stays running. Unless you specifically tell so in the BM exit dialog, that you want to stop running work (and the client) when exiting BOINC Manager, it won't do so:


It also says so at Running BOINC as a daemon or system service in the Wiki: Quitting the BOINC Manager will not cause the Client to exit.
7120) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusive Applications - suggestion (Message 50530)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already in the developer to do list.
7121) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks keep being restarted Mac 10.8.5 Boinc 7.0.65 (Message 50529)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, found it:

Mon Sep 16 09:40:34 2013 | | [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_schedule: end
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | | [cpu_sched] Suspending - CPU throttle
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | climateprediction.net | [cpu_sched] Preempting hadcm3n_zbpe_1960_40_008271699_4 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | climateprediction.net | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for hadcm3n_zbpe_1960_40_008271699_4 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting h1_0512.40_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_512.6Hz_294_1 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for h1_0512.40_S6Directed__S6CasAf40a_512.6Hz_294_1 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | climateprediction.net | [cpu_sched] Preempting hadcm3n_80al_1980_40_008458320_0 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | climateprediction.net | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for hadcm3n_80al_1980_40_008458320_0 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | climateprediction.net | [cpu_sched] Preempting hadcm3n_80ak_1980_40_008458319_0 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | climateprediction.net | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for hadcm3n_80ak_1980_40_008458319_0 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting LATeah0041U_1104.0_814440_0.0_1 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for LATeah0041U_1104.0_814440_0.0_1 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting LATeah0041U_1136.0_311740_0.0_0 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for LATeah0041U_1136.0_311740_0.0_0 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting LATeah0041U_1136.0_230560_0.0_0 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | Einstein@Home | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for LATeah0041U_1136.0_230560_0.0_0 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | boincsimap | [cpu_sched] Preempting 20130901.1223317_1 (left in memory)
Mon Sep 16 09:40:44 2013 | boincsimap | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for 20130901.1223317_1 from suspend
Mon Sep 16 09:40:45 2013 | | [cpu_sched] Resuming - CPU throttle

This is something that's set in the preferences, in Suspend work if CPU usage is above 25%.
Seeing how you use the local preferences, please open BOINC Manager->Tools->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences->processor usage.
Look for the line "While processor usage is less than 25 percent (0 means no restriction)" and set it to 0, then click OK.

Now BOINC won't stop work whenever the CPU usage hits 25%.
You can set the value in the online preferences as well, in case you want to lose the local preferences.

You can now delete the cc_config.xml file, and then exit & restart BOINC.
7122) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc aborts (Message 50528)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is is possible that because the other search is running and any record of the aborts would have been lost?

What other search?
7123) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc aborts (Message 50521)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you check if boinc.exe is actually running? Do so in Windows Task Manager (right-click the task-bar->Task manager->Processes tab).

I suspect that it isn't.
If you find that only boincmgr.exe and boinccmd.exe run, please exit BOINC Manager the normal way. Wait a minute and then restart it. Does that fix the problem?

If not, can you please navigate to your BOINC Data directory (default at C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/BOINC under XP, it will be a hidden directory, so either show hidden files and folders, or fill in the path directly into Windows Explorer and let it go there).

Next open stderrdae.txt and scroll to the end. Aside from messages about another version of BOINC already running, is there anything strange mentioned here?

Next open stderrgui.txt and scroll to the end. If you see any mention of a 'Debug Message Dump', scroll back up until you see 'Unhandled Exception Detected...'. Now copy everything from 'Unhandled Exception Detected...' to where you see 'Exiting...' and post that in an answer here. Make it a separate one from any log you post, please.
7124) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks keep being restarted Mac 10.8.5 Boinc 7.0.65 (Message 50520)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you have an anti-virus product, or other anti-malware product running on that system? Also think firewall.

Else, please temporarily run with a client configuration, or cc_config.xml file from your data directory (default at /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/ ), with the following lines in it:

<cc_config>
 <log_flags>
    <task_debug>1</task_debug>
    <cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
    <sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
    <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
 </log_flags>
 <options>
    <max_stdout_file_size>18119200</max_stdout_file_size>
 </options>
</cc_config>


The <max_stdout_file_size> will increase the stdoutdae.txt file to ~18 megabytes (default only 2MB and thus easily filled with debug flags on). Enough for you to capture at least 4 hours worth of data in.
Exit & restart BOINC and let it run for 10 minutes. Then post the log from that.
7125) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a portable version 7 for windows? (Message 50519)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
7126) Message boards : Questions and problems : graphics problem (Message 50513)
Posted 15 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please pass by on this thread and fill out the info we'd like, such as in this case operating system, hardware details + drivers, BOINC version, projects you added and which project you have the problem with.
7127) Message boards : Questions and problems : CentOS libs and versions required by Boinc (Message 50508)
Posted 15 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
How to fix? Ask the package maintainers of CentOS (whichever version yours is) to add GLIBC 2.15, or use the BOINC version that they've got available in repositories.

You're not the first person asking here on the forums about CentOS and BOINC, you probably won't be the last. But it's really not something for BOINC to fix, it's for the package maintainers of CentOS to fix.

In the mean time, if you want to see what else others did to fix this, do a forum search (search on CentOS and set Search limits to no limit). Some of the links I and others gave in answers no longer work or hold no workable data.
7128) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available (Message 50504)
Posted 14 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Coming Friday I have an intake appointment at a specialist hospital, to see if the ABC method is something for me.

With that method, they use injections with my own blood, with some medicines added, which are injected directly into the inflamed tendon. Trouble is, I won't be able to walk after that, or drive a car, so I'll have to find someone with a drivers license and a car to get me there. But that's still a bit further off, first the intake. Fingers crossed indeed. The pain is now 24 hours a day.
7129) Message boards : The Lounge : Local Parties? (Message 50503)
Posted 14 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't go out (too old).
I don't do Facebook (not interested).
I don't do Twitter (I've got a life).

Uhm, so don't look at me for guidance. :-)
7130) Message boards : BOINC client : No free space (Message 50498)
Posted 14 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think this is one of those questions that you better, in its entirety send to the BOINC Development email list. http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev
It does require registration.
7131) Message boards : Questions and problems : When time is making no sense... (Message 50496)
Posted 14 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, that was it. I had my notation at American English, not English English.
7132) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with seti @ home (Message 50493)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry? You'll have to explain that one again.

By the way, you reached the BOINC forums. If this is a Seti (specific) question, their forums are available through http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_community.php

-> Message boards require you have a RAC larger than 1.
-> Questions & answers can be posted to by anyone.
7133) Message boards : Questions and problems : When time is making no sense... (Message 50492)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
MY BOINC has been showing a 12 hour clock for no reason for some time now, and I am trying everything to change it back to showing 24 hours clocks.

In Windows, I have set:

and

So everything there is set to show a 24 hour notation.
My clock shows 24 hour notation:


So why can't BOINC do it then?
The Deadline in Tasks looks like this:

While all messages in the Event Log all show:

9/13/2013 10:42:42 PM | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 19fe09ac.1219.14298.8.12.218_1 checkpointed
9/13/2013 10:42:44 PM | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result ap_13se08ac_B6_P0_00039_20130911_31171.wu_1 checkpointed
9/13/2013 10:42:56 PM | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 28au08ad.20692.187053.8.12.45.vlar_0 checkpointed
9/13/2013 10:42:58 PM | SETI@home | [checkpoint] result 28au08ad.20692.189916.8.12.47.vlar_1 checkpointed
9/13/2013 10:43:29 PM | SETI@home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming for ap_13se08ac_B6_P0_00039_20130911_31171.wu_1


So someone, do tell me what hoops I have to jump through to get BOINC to follow my system clock. :-)

Windows 7 - 64bit Ultimate fully updated.
BOINC 7.2.11 - 64bit
One tired Jord.
7134) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client has exited 3 times in last ... (Message 50488)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I do have to ask, the non-administrator account you ran with, was it added before BOINC was installed, or after BOINC was installed?
7135) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client has exited 3 times in last ... (Message 50482)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Always easy to steal from my own posts on the same subject.
I posted at Seti in answer to someone with a similar problem...
This sounds like you installed BOINC as a service, or as a protected application execution. Is that correct? See this FAQ if you want to remember what the installer screens looked like.

Do you also know where you installed BOINC to? Is it the directory C:\Program Files\BOINC\, or is it somewhere else?

What if you were to uninstall BOINC --through Start->Control Panel->Uninstall a program-- and then reinstall it, but this time not as a service? Does that work better?


Have you also made sure that the user account that you use is part of the boinc_users? To check do:

Start->All Programs->Accessories->right click Command Prompt->Run as administrator->Acknowledge.
In the command prompt window, type:
net localgroup boinc_users and hit Enter.

If your user account isn't in here, you can add it by doing net localgroup boinc_users 'username' /add, where 'username' is the username you want to add. Do not use the quote marks.

After that the computer needs to be restarted.
7136) Message boards : API : the sequence for creating one project (Message 50481)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
My knowledge of making applications is limited at best. I did ask Christian to come take a look, but it appears he's too busy with his own project(s).

Therefore, I advise you to register at and then email the BOINC Projects email list. That way other project admins on the same list will be able to help you out, and a lot quicker than that you have to wait here.
7137) Message boards : API : the sequence for creating one project (Message 50469)
Posted 12 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have read many pages in WiKi and elsewhere but I do not understand whether I have done all the steps correctly. (?)

We don't know either, until you tell what you did.
7138) Message boards : BOINC client : Setting BOINC to idle priority in Windows (Message 50467)
Posted 12 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem is that even though my VM is at normal priority, those BOINC processes (it's easier to call them that) at low priority still take away CPU power from the VM. I don't think it works by taking whatever CPU power is left over from normal priority processes, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue.

Then the VM isn't taking up 100% CPU cycles all the time. Which it doesn't necessarily do.

Now, I don't know which VM you're using, but I run Linux at times in VirtualBox 1.4.2, and the only problem here is that when I set the VM to use a certain amount of memory that it will always use that. And that will slow my PC down. But setting the VM with a 'normal' amount of memory and that it can only use 2 CPUs of my 4, will allow my BOINC to run and the VM to run without problems.

Of course, YMMV.
7139) Message boards : API : the sequence for creating one project (Message 50466)
Posted 12 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You did read lots of http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain?
What is your application supposed to do? Have you thought about that>
What language do you want to make it in?
Which platform are you using to run the BOINC server on, and make the applications in?
Are you using a BOINC client to run the Upperclass application?
7140) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc stuck in screensaver mode (Message 50465)
Posted 12 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
9/12/2013 7:23:23 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7700 series (Cape Verde) (CAL version 1.4.1741, 1024MB, 984MB available, 2048 GFLOPS peak)
9/12/2013 7:23:23 AM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7700 series (Cape Verde) (driver version 1124.2 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1124.2), 1024MB, 984MB available, 2048 GFLOPS peak)

9/12/2013 7:23:23 AM | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 6952695; resource share 100

9/12/2013 7:23:23 AM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 6960054; resource share 100

9/12/2013 7:23:26 AM | | Suspending GPU computation - computer is in use

All right, your computer has a videocard with GPU that is being used to do calculations with on the Einstein and Seti project. While the Einstein project has optimized its graphics applications to be capable of running at the same time as calculations are done on the GPU, Seti has not done so.

When you check, you will see that the Astropulse opencl_ati_100 executable and the Seti v7.03 opencl_ati_cat132 executable are without added graphics application. Only your Seti v7.00 CPU executable will have a graphics application.

The graphics applications run on the GPU on the same streaming multiprocessors as the calculations do, simultaneously. This can cause problems, artifacts and hang-ups (of the graphics, the screen saver and the computer). Therefore, with those projects that did not optimize their graphics applications to be capable to run with OpenCL or CUDA, it's advised to not run the graphics or screen saver at the same time as calculations are done on the GPU.

This means that your options of action are:
1. Either to set your Windows screen saver to None.
2. Or to a Windows own screen saver, at least anything but BOINC. These two also mean that you can't see Einstein's graphics anymore.
3. Or that you use Seti optimized third party applications. These come without graphics applications.
7141) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc stuck in screensaver mode (Message 50454)
Posted 11 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Exit BOINC completely (if you don't know, here's a FAQ).
Next restart it (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager)
Next open BOINC Manager and then open the Event Log (Advanced view->Advanced->Event Log, or press CTRL+SHIFT+E at the same time).

Then select the first 40 or so lines and click Copy Selected.
Next paste those lines in a post here.
7142) Message boards : BOINC client : Setting BOINC to idle priority in Windows (Message 50452)
Posted 11 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Projects determine what priority they give their science applications, but rule of thumb is to give CPU applications Low priority (Windows) and GPU applications at Below Normal priority. That GPU applications run at a slighter higher priority, is because otherwise they just won't do any work.

The BOINC processes themselves (boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe) run at normal priority, because they are just the managing program and its user interface. They don't use the CPU that much, nor do any of the science.

All the priority settings allow for the science applications to run work on the remaining cycles left over by the rest of the applications running at Normal or higher priority.

If the virtual machine is taking up so much CPU power, you have the choices of:
1. Not running BOINC at the same time as the VM. Set the VM as an exclusive application, so that BOINC suspends whenever the VM is in memory.
2. Set BOINC to use less than 100% of the CPU cores, so that the VM can run on the cores that are freed.
3. Set the VM to use less CPU cores. E.g. when you have a 4 core CPU and you tell the VM to use all 4, there is nothing left for anything else to run and system stability will be troublesome.
4. Or just do not run BOINC on that system.

If you also want to run FAH at the same time as BOINC and a VM, you must have a pretty powerful machine to be able to do all that.
7143) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50441)
Posted 10 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably because Pack-a-Punch, isn't one word, despite you trying to confuse people by adding those hyphens. ;-)
7144) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 50439)
Posted 10 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmmm.... should I follow suit?
7145) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager Always Opens on Message Tab (Message 50429)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7 doesn't have a messages tab.



It has an Event Log window, which is a separate window from the BOINC Manager window. It will happen that when you close BOINC Manager to the system tray, with the Event Log open and in focus, that reopening BOINC Manager will bring the Event Log back to the focus in front of the BOINC Manager window. resizing the Event Log window helps in this.

The next BOINC version will have a fix against the Event Log window trying to take the focus. It works in 7.2.11.

If this is not something you meant, please be more clear, or add a screen shot of what you see.
7146) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error -155 (Message 50423)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://burdeview.blogspot.nl/p/raspberry-pi-boinc-project-ive-created.html
7147) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager exits when window is closed (Message 50422)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're right about (some of) the other programs behaviour. I have forwarded your complaint to the developers.
7148) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager exits when window is closed (Message 50418)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, because the thing that you have there is a Windows function.

Closing the program will close the program, not move its shortcut/icon elsewhere. Windows does this to every program that minimizes to the task bar. The only programs staying open are those that minimize to the system tray only.

So, exit BOINC:
Advanced view->File->Exit,
Right-click BOINC icon->Exit,
in the exit dialog,

Uncheck Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager.
Click OK.

When you don't have this dialog, Tools->Options,

Uncheck Enable Manager exit dialog? and click OK.

When you next exit BOINC Manager, this exit dialog comes up. It will not come up when you again do Close program.
7149) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc only using .46 cpu?? (Message 50408)
Posted 4 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, well, that still doesn't give much information on what you're actually asking. What is it that you are asking?

Where do you see this .46 cpu? Which project is this for? Which application of that project is this for? Is this a GPU application, or a CPU application?

If it's a GPU application, have you asked at their project forums if this value of CPU is normal for this GPU task of theirs?
7150) Message boards : Questions and problems : When requesting help on these forums (Message 50407)
Posted 4 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Welcome to the BOINC forums.

When you have problems with BOINC, please tell the volunteers on these forums what that problem is. We understand that you see your problem, you've lived with it for some time now, and you're urging for a quick solution. Not every problem is easily fixed from a small bit of information. It can even be quite difficult for any of the helping crew to help you when you do not give any information about what you actually see.

Therefore please always be so kind to give as much as possible of the following information:

  • Which BOINC version you run (See Help->About BOINC in BOINC Manager). We'd just like the version number, please: for instance v7.8.2
  • What your problem is exactly, write it out in as much detail as you can.
  • What you have done so far to try to remedy the problem.
  • If applicable, the project(s) that you have the problems with and if they have multiple applications, which ones give you problems.
  • Post the first 40 - 100 lines from your BOINC Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), including it showing what your BOINC is doing, which project tasks it is running.
  • In case the log doesn't show this, please give us:
    • the CPU brand and model
    • the GPU brand and model
    • the driver version(s) you have installed
    • the operating system that you use

7151) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc only using .46 cpu?? (Message 50405)
Posted 4 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When requesting help on these forums...
7152) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc-manager not receiving jobs in time (Message 50399)
Posted 3 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, hold on, it's not necessary to update, as long as things work great at this time. Although, if you want the GPU to work and need OpenCL support you'll need a minimum of BOINC 6.12. Most projects with GPU support, only have OpenCL applications for AMD Radeon HD GPUs.

If you truly want to upgrade to 7.0.65, go to http://pkgs.org/download/boinc. This site has 7.0.65 for Debian Wheezy and the how-to to install it.

Do know that BOINC 7 uses new CPU and GPU schedulers, that use a different method of recording how long tasks have taken. This means that this BOINC will have to relearn how long tasks take.
7153) Message boards : Questions and problems : idle detection not working on linux (Message 50388)
Posted 2 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The fix for the (USB) idle detection is in BOINC 7.0.29 (Changelog). So either use Berkeley BOINC, or update via RPM (to 7.0.65).
7154) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc-manager not receiving jobs in time (Message 50385)
Posted 2 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
My GPU is a Radeon HD5700 series and I can't afford to change it, and a new CPU is way out of my pension range, but I would like to upgrade, why doesn't 'apt-get install boinc*' not do the upgrade?

You'll have to ask the package maintainers of your Linux that. They're responsible for keeping everything downloadable updated, so that includes BOINC.

Now, I don't mind looking around in rpms, but then I need to know which Linux you run. Mind telling me?

I've a feeling that my GPU should pick this up but doesn't for some reason.

If by GPU you mean your Radeon HD5700, you'll need drivers from AMD, plus allow for the GPU to be detected. See Debian/Ubuntu/Mint/Derivatives - GPU recognition fixes for how to do so in some distros. Or see No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD6750 for how mike8347569357 fixed it under Fedora 17.
7155) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc-manager not receiving jobs in time (Message 50377)
Posted 1 Sep 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
.. and as to estimated times going backwards, well....

Estimated times are exactly that: estimated. Tasks in BOINC are constantly recalculated to see if they manage to be run before deadline or not.

As long as you let work go over the deadline and do not change the conditions under which BOINC should do work in any way (adding time, aborting work etc.), BOINC will learn whether they make deadline or not, and in doing so learn to ask more or less work for this project the next time. In your case that will be (a lot) less. Even if that means that some CPUs have no work, so be it.

Now then, your problem is with the PPS (Sieve) v1.39 (cpuPPSsieve) tasks. These have a 4 day deadline and they run slow on a CPU. These are tasks made for GPUs, so either you get one (Nvidia or AMD) or you just don't run these tasks on your CPU.
All of the other work it's able to do in time. So your only option around this problem is not to do PPS (Sieve) work. Under the conditions you allow BOINC to run at, it just won't be able to finish any of the given work in time.

If you find that troubling, it is not BOINC its fault. BOINC is following your conditions to the letter. But it can't dictate what a project should do with its applications and task length. So your complaint should be with the project, tell them that you run work on an i7 first generation CPU and that you allow BOINC to run only for 37.5 hours per 5 days and you want to run PPS (Sieve), and that to make their deadline, it needs to be increased to 10 days or so.

I see that the run time for CPU is 27 hours (from Michael Goetz in your thread), that's an estimated run time as well. It may be the run time on a third generation i7, but it won't be that on a first generation i7. And even then, variations in hardware and conditions.

Your BOINC is allowed to do work all together for 37.5 hours per 5 days (15.30-8.00 = 7.5 hours, 7.5 * 5 = 37.5 hours), or 135,000 seconds. Those are the numbers you'll have to work with to see if your computer is capable of running work at any project.

Apropos, I see you say you run 6.10.58, BOINC is at 7.0.65 for recommended, we're soon to go to 7.2.xx. These aren't just version changes which had the paint on the outside changed, there's a lot of changes under the hood as well, including whole new --from zero started-- CPU and GPU scheduler code. If you want to run with an AMD GPU, you'll need 6.12 in the minimum. Your i7 does not have a built in Intel GPU that's capable of running OpenCL work, so not going there. But you may want to consider upgrading.
7156) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD6750 (Message 50370)
Posted 31 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great! If you make a post about that in the GPU forum, I'll sticky it.
7157) Message boards : The Lounge : Ps4 / Xbox One Boinc (Message 50366)
Posted 31 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there are no plans to release BOINC on any of these proprietary platforms. Perhaps that some third party will make it, but that requires that either platform is capable of being rooted and another OS put on it (Linux). When that's not possible, there's no hope.
7158) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD6750 (Message 50363)
Posted 30 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did a search through the forums and found this post which you may try to follow. That's for Fedora 17, but I just assume Fedora 19 to work the same way.

Apropos, you did install the videocard drivers from AMD? Although, of course, according to their release notes your OS isn't supported. ;-)

Now, do know you're not the only one with problems. In this thread, jay-e has a lot of head scratches. I'm not sure if he finally manages to get his GPU to be detected.
7159) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc-manager not receiving jobs in time (Message 50362)
Posted 30 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I set the times in 'preferences' and get tasks that are impossible to complete in the allowed time

First off, what times do you set here and what are your settings for the Minimum Work Buffer and Maximum Additional Work Buffer in the Network tab?

Then, how it works there:
You set two times for BOINC to do work, between the hours of X and Y.
In the Day-of-the-Week Override, you set per day between what other hours BOINC should do work. These are two very normal 24 hour blocks divided by a hyphen.

Example Given, you set BOINC to do work between 21:00 and 07:00, but for on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, then the override times should be 22:00 and 08:00. That's:
√ Wednesday 22:00-08:00
√ Thursday 22:00-08:00
√ Friday 22:00-08:00


It's quite counterintuitive to add whole or broken times, such as 7.75h, as no one does that for their override or alarm.

And then for being able to crunch all work within the allotted time, my computer runs BOINC every day between the hours of 22:00 and 06:00, with a cache of 1 day minimum and 0.5 days additional. It runs work on 3 CPUs (of 4), plus a GPU. It manages to finish all work before the deadline.

There are even whole days on end that BOINC gets only 2 hours or so to do work, because I am gaming, and days that the computer isn't on --at all. It still finishes all work in time. So if your BOINC can't, you either have very strict time set that BOINC can do work, or a cache that's too large to begin with.
7160) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found (Message 50351)
Posted 29 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
8/29/2013 8:52:52 AM | | Running as a daemon

8/29/2013 8:52:52 AM | | Running under account boinc_master

The above is the problem, you have BOINC installed as a service. The installer even warns you that when you do so that GPU detection will not work.
So you'll have to uninstall BOINC, restart the installer, then in the third screen click Advanced, uncheck "Service Install" and continue installation.
7161) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50346)
Posted 28 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you have the feeling that these forums don't load so good, or that (parts of) the BOINC web site on its own is slightly less available than normal? That's correct. The whole BOINC domain is being migrated to a new server at the same co-location that Seti@Home's servers have been moved to. It can take up to 24 hours for DNS to normalize and problems to disappear.
7162) Message boards : Questions and problems : error 417 (Message 50344)
Posted 28 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No. BOINC will not automatically change to an older HTTP version when a proxy is used.
Also, since the installing user has to set up BOINC with a proxy capability, one would think that that user is knowledgeable enough to change this, and if not, that he asks for help on how to do so.
7163) Message boards : Questions and problems : New MS C++ Runtime and/or .NET 4.5 causes crash / bluescreen (Message 50342)
Posted 28 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What about any mention of it in: stderrdae.txt or stderrgui.txt?
7164) Message boards : Questions and problems : New MS C++ Runtime and/or .NET 4.5 causes crash / bluescreen (Message 50337)
Posted 28 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
-> The projects your BOINC is attached to, which you are actively running, and of course which you have the problems with. 

ClimatePrediction.net and SETI@home. I cannot read the entire error in the popup, as the text is truncated, and insists on giving the full path; but there are always two at a time, and both paths that I can see cut off at /BOINC/projects...

Has it stored the full path in an event ID, by chance?
That'll be stored in Windows Event Viewer, Start->All Programs->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer. Wait for it to load completely (all screens filled with something), then click Windows Logs and look through the Application and System logs. Look for any warning (yellow) or alarm (red) around the time and date of the error.
7165) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD6750 (Message 50329)
Posted 27 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm, well something is still not right, because I'm not getting work units. Here's a log. Einstein thinks the driver doesn't support OpenCL ... or I've set things up incorrectly.

Well, that's correct when the only thing in your start up log is the CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5700 series (Juniper) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 1024MB, 964MB available, 50 GFLOPS peak) line. The CAL in front of it shows that the only detection BOINC could do was of the older CAL format.
The OpenCL detection will have a separate line, like so (from my machine):

8/27/2013 3:42:05 AM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1741, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
8/27/2013 3:42:05 AM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1214.3 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1214.3), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)

So the AMD drivers should contain the OpenCL part and BOINC should be able to read the correct library, in the case of Linux libOpenCL.so
7166) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc With Tor/SOCKS Proxy & Preventing DNS Leaks (Message 50326)
Posted 27 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did forward all your posts to the developers. Nothing back yet.
7167) Message boards : GPUs : No usable GPUs found. AMD Radeon HD6750 (Message 50325)
Posted 27 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mon 26 Aug 2013 16:49:08 BST | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5700 series (Juniper) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 1024MB, 964MB available, 50 GFLOPS peak)

Hmmm, I just noticed it says I have a HD 5700 series. But ...

[mike@ceri ~]$ lspci | grep VGA
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Juniper PRO [Radeon HD 6750]

That's because the detection code in BOINC only sees the HD5700 as a Juniper. I sent in code to the developers that adds the HD6750 and HD6770 as well. That'll be added in a future version of BOINC.
7168) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Disable switching between apps (Message 50321)
Posted 26 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
My BOINC lets me set the "Switch between applications" to 99999 minutes:
From global_prefs_override.xml:
<cpu_scheduling_period_minutes>99999.000000</cpu_scheduling_period_minutes>

You want to tell me that's not enough?

As for being able to disable it, why? BOINC its schedulers are pretty good at what they do, disabling them will bring chaos to BOINC its goal of trying to finish all work before its deadline, and to do so without interaction from the human.
7169) Message boards : Questions and problems : Auto update for BOINC ? (Message 50320)
Posted 26 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
That the BOINC client doesn't auto-update is for security reasons. It's to make sure that the user/administrator will always update the software, not that a rogue person or process.

BOINC is run by companies and Universities as well where the system admins don't really like anything auto-updating itself. It may cause crashes and other (incompatibility) problems.

BOINC will show a message in the Messages log if a newer client than the one you run is available. Of course, this message will only show when you run a recommended version of BOINC and the recommended version on the download site changes. It won't show it on development versions with a higher number.

To update the version, you don't need to uninstall the old version first, but you can install the new one directly over the old one. The newer version will uninstall the previous version before installing itself.
7170) Message boards : Questions and problems : On multiprocessor system use 1,2,3,4 processors (Message 50307)
Posted 25 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The CPU's aren't even loaded. I want them to work like the HP box.

These are the applications that Seti supports out of the box. If your operating system isn't in the list, you'll have to check for Seti Enhanced and Astropulse applications and install & update those manually through the anonymous platform.

I think you installed BOINC either from third party, or through a repository.
You can check in the BOINC data directory for the stdoutdae.txt file and see what it says in here what BOINC is missing. It'll probably tell you that the Seti project does not have an application for e.g. sparc-sun-solaris2.7
7171) Message boards : GPUs : Ati GPU projects on Mac OS X Snow Leopard (Message 50305)
Posted 24 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
EAH app is only for Mountain Lion.

No, it isn't. I asked their developers, and they tell me it's Lion, not Mountain Lion.
7172) Message boards : GPUs : Ati GPU projects on Mac OS X Snow Leopard (Message 50287)
Posted 23 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, the OpenCL support in Snow Leopard is flaky, at best. The support in Lion is way better, which is why projects tend to make their AMD GPU application compatible with that OS.

And I see that OpenCL (1.0 beta) support built into Snow Leopard is only for:
* NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GTS, Geforce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130.
* ATI Radeon 4850, Radeon 4870.


The Radeon HD4850 and HD4870 have the wrong 'workgroup size' that application builders work with. They like 256 and higher for stability reasons, these GPU do only 128. The workgroup size is used to specify how much memory should be used to store the data that's going to be sent to the GPU.
7173) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50286)
Posted 23 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
The server code checks domain name, IP address, OS name, processor model, and memory size. This worked for PCs but not Android devices.
We'll release a new Android client soon that generates a unique "domain name".
7174) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 50282)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Earlier today:
Andy Bowery, CPDN sys-admin wrote:
Hi All,

Just to let you know that unfortunately we have just had a power failure on the main database server, Jonathan is currently looking at it. This means that all services are currently backed off. We have got the replication database server that can be switched over for such an eventually. Jonathan is going to first see if he can re-raise the main database server.


Now:
Andy Bowery, CPDN sys-admin wrote:
Hi Chaps,

I have managed to swap in an old PSU for the database server, and am currently checking that the database is OK.
So far, so good.

We have ordered a new PSU for the database server, which should be with us tomorrow.
As she is now running on an under-powered PSU, I don't intend to leave her running for long, so within an hour or so (certainly by 5 pm BST), we will be back offline.

She did have a redundant power supply, but both parts seem to have failed at once, or else one of them failed without triggering the usual alarms. C'est la vie.

I have put a news item on the main site.
7175) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50281)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN sys-admin wrote:
Hi Chaps,

I have managed to swap in an old PSU for the database server, and am currently checking that the database is OK.
So far, so good.

We have ordered a new PSU for the database server, which should be with us tomorrow.
As she is now running on an under-powered PSU, I don't intend to leave her running for long, so within an hour or so (certainly by 5 pm BST), we will be back offline.

She did have a redundant power supply, but both parts seem to have failed at once, or else one of them failed without triggering the usual alarms. C'est la vie.

I have put a news item on the main site.
7176) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50280)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a place to report potential bugs?

You can join the Android testing Google group.
7177) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50279)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, CPDN sys-admin wrote:
Hi All,

Just to let you know that unfortunately we have just had a power failure on the main database server, Jonathan is currently looking at it. This means that all services are currently backed off. We have got the replication database server that can be switched over for such an eventually. Jonathan is going to first see if he can re-raise the main database server.
7178) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why am I doing this...Seriously (Message 50274)
Posted 21 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're posting on the BOINC forums, not on the Seti forums.
As for an answer as to why Seti runs older work, they've just released a new application that's capable of looking even deeper into the data than before, so they're rerunning older tapes.

Even then, the data was recorded at a distance of multiple light years away from Earth, so any of the data may have a WOW signal. Seti doesn't do real-time recording, but even data that they would've recorded yesterday will have taken multiple thousands of years to reach the antenna. So do you really think it matters if it's slightly older or not?
7179) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 50273)
Posted 21 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please people, when you have a problem with BOINC, post you problem in a new thread in the Questions and Problems forum, or when it's a problem with CPDN, post it on CPDN's own forums.

This thread is for News regarding ClimatePrediction.net, not about how to solve any problems you have with it.
7180) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't resolve hostname (Message 50272)
Posted 21 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I moved your post out of the CPDN News thread, so we can leave that thread for news. As this is a project specific problem, you best ask at their own forums for help on this one.
7181) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPDN: Unable to verify using certificates (Message 50262)
Posted 20 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I moved your post out of the CPDN News thread, so we can leave that thread for news. As this is a project specific problem, you best ask at their own forums for help on this one.
7182) Message boards : Projects : Open Source Projects (Message 50260)
Posted 20 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Einstein project, has its application source code and license available.

It also reports its progress at regular intervals. See the Science information and progress reports section on their front page.

Seti@Home may not have any progress reports, but their application code is available (If on Tuesday, the project has several hours of maintenance throughout which their pages are not available.)
7183) Message boards : Questions and problems : have not been able to run BOINC for very close to a year, because it uses an old SSL library version (Message 50251)
Posted 20 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The main problem, being of course:
can't connect to local host

Does the script use the BOINCCMD tool? Or can you disclose the contents of the script?
7184) Message boards : Questions and problems : New MS C++ Runtime and/or .NET 4.5 causes crash / bluescreen (Message 50250)
Posted 20 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please read When requesting and giving help on these forums..., most specifically the part about full system details, plus in Windows specific questions the part about When you see a Blue Screen of Death (BSOD).
7185) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG - Clean energy project problem (Message 50249)
Posted 20 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's something you'll have to ask at the World Community Grid Forums, but I suspect that that application doesn't checkpoint as often. Yet, ask at their forums, it's their application.
7186) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Sometimes Stops Processing (Milkyway@home Units) (Message 50238)
Posted 19 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC uses two variables to determine how many CPU cores it can use:
1. Use at most N processors.
2. Use at most X% of the processors.

When you set X% to zero, BOINC falls back to the value you set in N. N can only be set through a project's website, or by manually adding <max_cpus>N</max_cpus> to the global_prefs_override.xml file.
7187) Message boards : Questions and problems : Distributing cores to different projects (Message 50231)
Posted 18 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
How can I get the Intel box to distribute the cores like the other boxes?

With time and patience. What you have on the other machines is something that took BOINC a while to learn. There's no rushing this, and not even any guarantee that this BOINC will eventually do it as the others do.

On a slightly different topic; is it necessary to leave one CPU core open when using GPU for processing? I notice that the GPU WU do use some CPU time.

That depends on the GPU application and how much it actually does on the GPU.

The Einstein GPU application does a lot of its calculations on the CPU, so here your times speed up enormously if you leave one core free to work together with the GPU. If you can live with 10x increased run times, you can turn the core back to doing CPU tasks.
7188) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Android (Message 50230)
Posted 18 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is the "official" version?

Whichever version is latest available through the Google Play store. The developers are updating it quite regularly. More than they will the download pages.
7189) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Sometimes Stops Processing (Milkyway@home Units) (Message 50224)
Posted 18 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
8/18/2013 6:16:50 AM | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9]

8/18/2013 6:16:50 AM | | Reading preferences override file
8/18/2013 6:16:50 AM | | Preferences:

8/18/2013 6:16:50 AM | | max CPUs used: 2

8/18/2013 6:18:10 AM | Milkyway@Home | task de_nbody_07_23_dark_2_1372784655_756186_1 aborted by user
8/18/2013 6:18:11 AM | Milkyway@Home | task de_nbody_07_23_no_dark_2_1372784655_975095_2 aborted by user

The Milkyway n-body tasks are multitasking, meaning that they want to use all the CPU cores that your system has to do the calculations. You tell BOINC to use only 2 of the 4 cores. The n-body application will wait until all 4 cores are available.

Ways around it?
1) Edit the Milkyway project preferences and uncheck the MilkyWay@Home N-Body Simulation application, save changes to the web site with the 'Update preferences' button at the bottom, Update the project in BOINC.

2) Tell BOINC to use all 4 cores.
7190) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc With Tor/SOCKS Proxy & Preventing DNS Leaks (Message 50216)
Posted 16 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developers, perhaps that one of them knew the answer. Thus far not yet. But here's a clue for you: BOINC passes URLs to the Curl library, which handles all name resolution and network communication.
7191) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50213)
Posted 15 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.11 available for testing for Macintosh, Windows and Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.10 --> 7.2.11:

  • client: message tweak.
  • client, FreeBSD: report "pni" instead of "sse3.
  • Manager: in Transfers tab, Size refers to total size.
  • Manager: show "paused" icon if computing is suspended for any reason.
  • LOCALE: Update translations.
  • client: if we request work from a project and don't get any notices, clear that project's scheduler notices. I.e. if you got an "insufficient disk space" notices, and you fixed the problem, the notice should go away.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.11
- boinc_7.2.11_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.11_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.2.11
- boinc_7.2.11_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Macintosh 7.2.11
- boinc_7.2.11_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.11_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.11_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7192) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc manager quits but processes still run in background. (Message 50212)
Posted 15 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC consists of several parts, most importantly a client and a manager. The manager part is only a graphical user interface that allows you to command the client easier. The client can easily run without the manager.

Therefore, when you exit BOINC Manager but choose that the tasks can continue when you exit the manager, that's exactly what will happen. BOINC Manager will exit, but the client and the science applications will continue to run.

This was done to prevent a crashing BOINC Manager from taking the running client --and thus the science applications-- with it. Which is what you see here. You see BOINC Manager crash, but the boinc-client binary and the science applications will continue to run (check in Top).

If you want to kill the boinc-client in a controlled way, read up on the BOINCCMD command line tool. Use boinccmd --quit to stop the client completely.
Or restart only BOINC Manager (boinc-manager) to restart the GUI.

You can check in stderrgui.txt if there's information about why BOINC Manager crashes, and then tell the package manager maintainers about it (and ask them to update to 7.0.65, the present recommended). It's their BOINC version, seeing how you use 7.0.27. That version was never recommended from Berkeley (7.0.28 was).

Or you can update to Berkeley BOINC, as it's built on Ubuntu.
7193) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50200)
Posted 13 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's on the AndroidTodo list.

Ticket 1139: use unique hostname on Android.
7194) Message boards : Questions and problems : have not been able to run BOINC for very close to a year, because it uses an old SSL library version (Message 50186)
Posted 12 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
8/12/2013 4:24:09 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.10 for windows_x86_64
8/12/2013 4:24:09 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6

However, why can't you run a program with an older version of OpenSSL? These versions ought to be backward compatible with the same branch, and otherwise, you just add the older library. The main problem usually is that people can't run it because their OS uses an older version than BOINC does, and they can't update to that version (yet/ever).
7195) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50182)
Posted 11 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Repeat request that everyone please stop posting with their signature on in this thread. It's quite easy for you to do so.

To do so, when you make a post in this thread, uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" and then make your post. Your signature will still be enabled on other posts, just not this one. You can also edit your post during an hour and take the signature out.
We ask that you post without a signature to keep the purpose of this thread clear: News about project outages, not about how many credits you have or what team you want us to join.
It's not that difficult to do and it gives the moderators even less work to do, as we don't have to remove your post. So please...
7196) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Suggestion: List Projects in Boinc Manager Client (Message 50176)
Posted 11 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
...was the new android client. When I installed it, the client asked for a project URL and I didn't see anyway to sync with bam.

The Android client is a whole new beast. It lacks a lot of features that its full-blown brethren on the other platforms have as standard, mainly because of memory constraints on many of the Android devices it needs to work on.

There are only 6 projects thus far. These are easily reachable, by the way. In the BOINC GUI, tap Projects, tap Add project and you'll find the list of projects that are presently available as having applications for the Android client.

And if you want to have the bleeding edge in version, you can always join the Android testing Google group. They're testing 7.2.9 which may have Account Manager support (I'm not sure, as the change log isn't clear on this).
7197) Message boards : Questions and problems : Docking failure (Message 50174)
Posted 11 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was about to tell you to go to the Docking web site then, and report it there (since it isn't something BOINC can do something about), but seeing all the MySQL warnings on http://docking.cis.udel.edu/, they seem to have a major breakdown.

Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: open(/var/lib/php/session/sess_vesnd14t3e887ee7sj4pk7epm6, O_RDWR) failed: Read-only file system (30) in /boinc/projects/docking/html_v2/project/project.inc on line 32

Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111) in /boinc/projects/docking/html_v2/inc/db.inc on line 23
Unable to connect to database - please try again later Error: 2002Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (111)
Warning: Unknown: open(/var/lib/php/session/sess_vesnd14t3e887ee7sj4pk7epm6, O_RDWR) failed: Read-only file system (30) in Unknown on line 0

Warning: Unknown: Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/var/lib/php/session) in Unknown on line 0
7198) Message boards : Questions and problems : Huge system.log file (Message 50172)
Posted 10 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
From searches on the error message, it seems to be something that Mac OS X does.
See http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/62707/how-to-get-installers-not-to-hang-on-waiting-for-other-installations-to-complet and try to follow the advice.

In any way, it's something OS X specific, so you're probably better off asking at a Mac-user forum.
7199) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Suggestion: List Projects in Boinc Manager Client (Message 50170)
Posted 10 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ever been to Tools -> Add Project or account manager -> Add project?
7200) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 50162)
Posted 10 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.10 available for testing for Windows and Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.5 --> 7.2.6:

  • Update the all projects list distributed with the client software.
  • Mac: updates for building branded installers (GridRepublic, Charity Engine, Progress Thru Processors).
  • client: add test harness for file copy (make sure we can handle > 2GB).
  • Extend the project list cache timeout to 7 days and update the dev build to 7.2.5
  • MGR: change https:// to http:// in notices; the WxWidgets HTML renderer doesn't handle https://

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.6 --> 7.2.7:


  • MGR: Support following HTTP and HTTPS links. We just launch a browser anyway.
  • MGR: remove the last call to https_to_https()

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.7 --> 7.2.8:


  • Mac: update installer ReadMe files.
  • client: Add detection of the AVX instruction set for newer processors.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.8 --> 7.2.9:


  • Mac: update build of client from openssl-1.0.1c to openssl-1.0.1e.
  • client: improved CPU type and feature detection. From [P3D Crashtest]
  • client (win): fix typo in last commit.
  • Mac: documentation update.
  • MGR: On Linux, initialize exclusive apps dialog to start from directory "/usr/bin/" instead of from "/" (from Toralf Förster).
  • WINBUILD: Re-enable the custom actions which modify the VirtualBox.VirtualBox permissions so that boinc_project can launch VMs.
  • client: initialize device_status_time (shouldn't make any difference).
  • client: include project resource shares in account manager request message.
  • MGR: fix permissions error string in stderrgui.txt

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.9 --> 7.2.10:


  • Mac installer: update translations template.
  • LOCALE: Update translations.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.10
- boinc_7.2.10_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.10_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.2.10
- boinc_7.2.10_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.10_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7201) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc Issues (Message 50159)
Posted 9 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Would you please be so kind as to give some more information?
7202) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50151)
Posted 8 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It could also be that it's a DNS problem, where we just have to wait until the DNS address is propagated again to all DNS servers out there, before we see the site or people can upload to it.
7203) Message boards : Questions and problems : Message Board Suggestion (Message 50143)
Posted 8 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've got all news threads and others worthy of attention as stickies on the top of the forums. However, it's possible for the user to stop these from being sticky, by using the Don't move sticky posts to top option in preferences.

How other projects use their stickies is up to them and their moderators.

The two mostly updated threads, one about CPDN news and one about general project (outage) news can be found in the Projects forum. They're updated by users, as and when they find information about these projects.
7204) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 50141)
Posted 8 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, system admin CPDN wrote:
Hi All,

So you will see that we have the majority of services restored now! climateapps2 has now been replaced completely. However I am aware of a number of issues which still need to be solved these are:

- cpdn_restarts is producing error messages
- server_status is not running
- project stats page is reporting an error
- uploader.oerc not available

I am aiming to get these solved by some time tomorrow. In the meantime please let me know of any other issues.

Thanks,

Andy
7205) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 50140)
Posted 8 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Andy Bowery, system admin CPDN wrote:
Hi All,

So you will see that we have the majority of services restored now! climateapps2 has now been replaced completely. However I am aware of a number of issues which still need to be solved these are:

- cpdn_restarts is producing error messages
- server_status is not running
- project stats page is reporting an error
- uploader.oerc not available

I am aiming to get these solved by some time tomorrow. In the meantime please let me know of any other issues.

Thanks,

Andy
7206) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Request: Clear Notices from BOINC Manager (Message 50108)
Posted 7 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Notices clear after 30 days.

You can disable the notices balloon in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Options->General->Notice reminder interval->Never.
7207) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install BOINC both as a Service and a Non-Service? (Message 50103)
Posted 6 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there any reason that wouldn't work over the LAN with BoincTasks?

I have no experience with BOINCTasks. You'd have to ask Fred about that. It's his puppy.
7208) Message boards : GPUs : seti@home + linux +cuda (Message 50101)
Posted 6 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
ok.. i thought this was their forum... thanks

From http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/index.php:
These messages boards are for the discussion of BOINC, not projects (such as SETI@home, World Community Grid, and so on). To discuss a project, please use its message boards.
7209) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install BOINC both as a Service and a Non-Service? (Message 50100)
Posted 6 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Although it's all possible that BM won't start twice anymore since changes were added to how it should treat the start of a second BM from within the Advanced menu. I never tried.

The password can be found in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and if you never touched it, will be a 32 character hexadecimal password. I'm also not sure if the second BM needs a separate (new) password or not. Also never tried.

Having thought about these, I think the following will all work:

In every BOINC Data directory edit the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and add in a password from 1 to 4. So e.g. the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in BOINC_data_1 will contain 1 as the password. Add only '1' (without the quotes), do not add an Enter at the end of the line. E.g. in BOINC_data_4 gui_rpc_auth.cfg will contain 4 as the password.

Then the next lines, run from a batch file, will work:

"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31416 --dir C:\BOINC_data_1 --detach
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31416 /p 1

"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31417 --dir C:\BOINC_data_2 --detach
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31417 /p 2

"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31418 --dir C:\BOINC_data_3 --detach
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31418 /p 3

"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31419 --dir C:\BOINC_data_4 --detach
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31419 /p 4

This will run 4 clients, all from their own data directory, all with their own BOINC Manager.
7210) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc unable to connect to work servers (Message 50098)
Posted 6 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please add a cc_config.xml file into your BOINC Data directory (~/Your name/BOINC/ for the Berkeley Installer; /etc/boinc_client for repository install) and add into it the following lines.
<cc_config> 
   <log_flags>
      <http_debug>1</http_debug>
      <http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
   </log_flags>
</cc_config>


Having done so, exit & restart the client, then make it contact a project.
Post the output it wrote to stdoutdae.txt (same data directory for Berkeley Installer; /var/lib/boinc-client/ for repository install). Please don't take out IP address etc. Post all lines as they are. If there's any info in there you don't want showing for long on the forums, I can always hide the post.
7211) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu server installation, do I need ia32 ? (Message 50097)
Posted 6 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You only need the libraries if the project sends 32bit applications to 64bit BOINC on a 64bit operating system. As long as the project sends 64bit apps, there's no need for the libs. But if you want to be safer than sorry, there's nothing keeping you from adding them.
7212) Message boards : Questions and problems : please update version history file (Message 50082)
Posted 5 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The version history only gets updated once a version has had its public release on all platforms, not before. While 7.2.7 was released to the public for Android, it did not see light of day on any other platform, other than for testing.
7213) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install BOINC both as a Service and a Non-Service? (Message 50074)
Posted 4 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It can be done, but reliably? Not sure.

You'd need two directories, one for each data directory.
Both BOINC need their own GUI RPC port if you want to manage either with a BOINC Manager.

Run the following in order from a command line, or add them into a batch file. Do add the quotes, Windows will want them.
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31416 --dir C:\BOINC_data_1 --detach
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31416 /p xxxxxxxxxx

"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31417 --dir C:\BOINC_data_2 --detach
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" /m /n localhost /g 31417 /p xxxxxxxxxx

The above starts one client on RPC 31416 and Data directory 1, the other on RPC 31417 and Data directory 2. The --detach will close the command line window.
The BOINC Managers will start according to port number. Although it's all possible that BM won't start twice anymore since changes were added to how it should treat the start of a second BM from within the Advanced menu. I never tried.

The password can be found in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and if you never touched it, will be a 32 character hexadecimal password. I'm also not sure if the second BM needs a separate (new) password or not. Also never tried.

Arguments can be found when running boincmgr.exe -h from the command line.

Usage: boincmgr [/h] [--verbose] [/a] [/s] [/n <str>] [/g <str>] [/p <str>] [/b <str>] [/i] [/c] [/m]
/h --help --> show this help message.
--verbose --> generate verbose log messages.
/a --autostart --> BOINC Manager was started by the operating system automatically.
/s --systray --> Startup BOINC Manager so only the system tray icon is visible.
/n --namehost=<str> --> Host name or IP address.
/g --gui_rpc_port=<str> --> GUI RPC port number.
/p --password=<str> --> Password.
/b --boincargs=<str> --> Startup BOINC with these optional arguments.
/i --insecure --> Disable BOINC security users and permissions.
/c --checkskins --> Set skin debugging mode to enable skin manager error messages.
/m --multiple --> multiple instances of BOINC Manager allowed.
7214) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install BOINC both as a Service and a Non-Service? (Message 50072)
Posted 4 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, this cannot be done. And honestly, I wouldn't know why you'd want to do so either, as you can set up BOINC to run either just CPU, or GPU, or both.

Hint: Project preferences. There you can stipulate what hardware to use. There you can set up which venue to use. Make combos.
7215) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50056)
Posted 2 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does BOINC for Android run in the background continually or only if the user who installed it is logged in?

It runs continually in the background, but will only allow the project science apps to do their stuff when the battery charger is charging the battery. The battery needs to be at 90% full or better, before crunching starts. You can override this, but that's not recommended.

As for multi-user accounts, do you have some device then with Android 4.2 or better installed, and did you add another user? For if you didn't, you are the only user on your device.
7216) Message boards : Questions and problems : climaprediction.net task cannot be uloaded (Message 50052)
Posted 1 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jonathan Miller, July 29, 2013 wrote:
Hi Chaps,

Climateapps2 crashed over the weekend with another disk error.
She is back again now, but still 'at risk' because I don't trust her raid drives any more.

I have a meeting to arrange running in a replacement, tomorrow. The replacement will probably take a couple of days to set up.

Then on Friday, the project will be taken down again, for the electrical shutdown.
Then on Monday it will be brought back online by Andy and our IT staff, because I will be sunning myself in France for two weeks.
7217) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 50051)
Posted 1 Aug 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jonathan Miller, July 29, 2013 wrote:
Hi Chaps,

Climateapps2 crashed over the weekend with another disk error.
She is back again now, but still 'at risk' because I don't trust her raid drives any more.

I have a meeting to arrange running in a replacement, tomorrow. The replacement will probably take a couple of days to set up.

Then on Friday, the project will be taken down again, for the electrical shutdown.
Then on Monday it will be brought back online by Andy and our IT staff, because I will be sunning myself in France for two weeks.
7218) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc.exe sending lots of data over network (Message 50041)
Posted 31 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc.exe is the actual BOINC client, the program that does everything --from storing the cache, to deciding what next to run, to deciding what project to ask for work next, to... a lot.

Now, without you telling which projects you've added to BOINC and which of those are allowed to fetch work, which have work in cache and which haven't, and what communications are outstanding against some of the projects, your question is a bit difficult to answer.

In any case, BOINC will use up bandwidth:
1. Doing checks whether your internet is working, these checks are pings to www.google.com or any other web site, if you so determined it shouldn't use Google.
2. Downloading work from projects. This will use the most.
3. Uploading work to projects.
4. Reporting work to projects. Although reporting doesn't use much bandwidth, it still uses some.
5. Checking with projects that weren't available earlier, and are in back-off mode.
6. Checking with any projects for possible work for a piece of hardware that you have, that BOINC detected but that the project doesn't support yet.
7. Checking with the BOINC website whether or not a new client is available (checks happen once every 14 days, if I am not mistaken).
8. Checking with the BOINC website if a new projects list is available, and if so download that.
9. In the case of some NCI projects and of ClimatePrediction.net, BOINC sends trickles back to the project. These are bursts with data, progress reports.
10. I probably forgot some.

There's also something else going on though, and that's that boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe communicate with each other by RPC on TCP port 31416, so you have real-time updates of everything happening every second and showing that in BOINC Manager. Some resource monitors see this as internet or network communications, but it isn't. This communication happens only between BOINC its parts, and only on localhost (IP 127.0.0.1).
7219) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50027)
Posted 30 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Using version 7.2.27 obtained via BOINC website.

That would be 7.2.7 then, and isn't the latest available. A little attention to details like that would be nice.

Device is ICOU8GT (quad core)

Only 2 cores show in the app control "Used CPU cores" (CPU limit is 100% as are pretty much all other controls).

And what does Event Log say? CPU limit is the throttling function, not the amount of CPUs you set, just as in regular BOINC (Limit the CPU time BOINC uses for computation). (You can have the phone email the Event Log to you).
Which project(s) did you add?

Uninstalled BOINC 7.2.27 and the tab rebooted back to default Android OS (Chinese language) deleting all installed apps/settings.

It certainly doesn't revert back to English on my phone, and I have removed it 4 times already.
7220) Message boards : Questions and problems : Plans to support wireless charging on Android? (Message 50019)
Posted 28 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.8 available from the Google Play Store now supports wireless chargers.
7221) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50018)
Posted 28 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Will Boinc update itself to newer versions when they are available?

I don't think so. Version 7.2.8 is available in the Google Play Store, if your BOINC is still 7.2.7, it doesn't update itself.
And will the project list update itself as more projects becomes availabe?

Yes, that one will update itself.

I saw you mentioned The skynet pogs as an arm project but it wasn't in the projects list.

That's because 7.2.7 was built before SkynetPOGs was added.

By the way, there's also an Android FAQ that is updated quite regularly.
7222) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50010)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can You add possibility to change checkpointing frequency? Currently is very high, what is unnecessary and can destructively affect the flash memory lifetime.

Checkpointing is a function of the science application, not of the BOINC client. You will have to ask the project application developers about this.

From similar reason should be added possibility to totally disable client logging, continuous writing data to flash isn't good idea...

I forwarded that question to the BOINC developers.
7223) Message boards : Questions and problems : Android app should offer choice of storage (Message 50009)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already answered in the official release thread

From Bikeman (Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein):
This version of BOINC on Android can not use space on an SD card.

My understanding is that Android has some restrictions on what an application can put on an SD card, especially if you want to put executable files there. There seem to be ways to get around some of those limitations, e.g. NativeBOINC uses kind of a "hack" (in the words of the author of Native BOINC) to run BOINC almost entirely off an SD card, but I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with this solution. But the BOINC team is looking into this.
7224) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help needed with BOINC (Message 50006)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you sure it can't connect to a server?
Isn't the message "Cannot connect to a client"?

As when it is a message alike that, it means that BOINC Manager (which is just a graphical user interface, to make it easier to give commands to the client) can't make contact with the client (which does all the work). And THAT usually happens because:
1. You didn't allow boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe through your firewall.
2. You didn't set the BOINC Data directory up as an exclusion in your firewall/anti virus programs.

Now, if it IS that BOINC can't connect to a server, it is ALSO because of firewall problems. Don't disable the firewall, we never ask you to do that, as it's dangerous. Enough bad stuff on the internet that'll get onto your system when you do something like that.

No, just add:
boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe to the firewall exclusion zone, if possible tell them to use TCP port 31416.
Separately, boinc.exe requires access to the internet, on TCP ports 80 and 443 (HTTP and HTTPS).
7225) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2 FightAIDS@Home - Vina 7.03 tasks keep resetting / rerunning, but not completeing (Message 50005)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who do I report this to? What do I do?

The project. It's their science application. BOINC is merely a managing program, it doesn't do any of the science.

Also, as the fan suddenly runs all the time with the current BOINC Manager, the computer is often too loud to have BOINC running.
How can I stop receiving Tasks, yet finish those already in the queue, until there is a solution?

Make sure to clean your system at least once every 6-12 months, get rid of dust-bunnies (also when it's a laptop or notebook). All of the CPU-active science applications will heat up the system (be it CPU or GPU or both). The only way around that is enough fans, a good heat sink + fan on the CPU and GPU, using good thermal grease and keeping it all clean, clean, clean, free from dust, hairs etc.

To stop receiving work, open BOINC Manager->(advanced view->)Projects tab->Select the project of choice->Click No New Tasks (or in your ancient version it may still be No New Work).

Work resetting itself can also be happening due to (too much) heat.
7226) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.64 apparently stops processing (Message 50004)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
..if I stopped running be closing down BOINC and restarting it the timers begin displaying again and they may be beyond where they stopped so it appears it is just the time display that stops working while processing may have continued.

When the numbers have progressed beyond the point where you saw them, the processing didn't stop. Are you sure it's not a screen saver that makes a screen shot of the background (and anything open on it)?
7227) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 50001)
Posted 26 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, there won't be one, as anything run on anything made by Apple (outside the Macintosh computers) has to be approved of by Apple (proprietary software) and available through the Apple Store.

And even if someone would make a BOINC that runs on iOS, you're not there yet as you'll also need to have the science applications from the projects. They don't necessarily want to invest time and money into making their apps work on the iPad, or anything else iX.
7228) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 49996)
Posted 26 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Bikeman (Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein):
This version of BOINC on Android can not use space on an SD card.

My understanding is that Android has some restrictions on what an application can put on an SD card, especially if you want to put executable files there. There seem to be ways to get around some of those limitations, e.g. NativeBOINC uses kind of a "hack" (in the words of the author of Native BOINC) to run BOINC almost entirely off an SD card, but I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with this solution. But the BOINC team is looking into this.
7229) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 49995)
Posted 26 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Bikeman (Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein):
We had received some reports in the beta test phase that indicated that there might be a general problem with running BOINC on the Droid Razr series, more specifically with their custom UI. So we blocked the app for the Droid Razr to be on the safe side.

We continue to test BOINC on the Droid Razr and will re-enable downloads of the app to this model once we are confident that it works in principle. Stay tuned.

HB
7230) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49979)
Posted 24 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.7 available for testing for World Community Grid.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.68 --> 7.2.7:

  • MGR: Update GridRepublic, CharityEngine, ProgressThruProcessors to new V7 skins.
  • MGR: rename "Progress Thru Processors" skin to "ProgressThruProcessors" as specified by Matt Blumberg.
  • MGR: Fix permissions in new V7 skins for GridRepublic, CharityEngine, ProgressThruProcessors.
  • WINBUILD: Set the default skin to Charity Engine on installation.
  • WINBUILD: Set the default skin to Progress Thru Processors on installation.
  • client: Add the various OS compatibility shreds to the assembly manifest so we can properly detect Windows 8.1 or better.
  • client: fix bug where <no_project_notices> from account manager didn't work.
  • WINBUILD: Fix the PTP splash screen in the installer.
  • GridRepublic Skin: Remove space between Grid and Republic (Grid Republic -> GridRepublic) per Matt Blumberg.
  • CERT: Update all the root CAs to the latest and greatest from Mozilla. Current version works with WCG.
  • client: Fix a race condition on system reboot when using a child process for detecting GPUs, add debugging support to child process.
  • client: parse <client_new_version_text> in cc_config.xml
  • client: if system clock goes backward, show details in event log.
  • client: fix bug that caused host CPID to change on each startup.
  • client: add exit status and result name to job log entries.
  • client: don't write name twice in job log.
  • WINBUILD: Force git to reevaluate the ISM files, they are XML now. (Part 1)
  • WINBUILD: Force git to reevaluate the ISM files, they are XML now. (Part 2)
  • client: Disable use of spawned processes to detect GPUs on Windows for the 7.2 release.
  • client: Use get_exit_status to wait until the GPU detection process completes and log any error code.
  • client: when launching the GPU detection child process, use boinc_fopen(), more checks for error returns.
  • Mac: fix for first-time builds.
  • Update the all projects list distributed with the client software.
  • Mac: updates for building branded installers (GridRepublic, Charity Engine, Progress Thru Processors).
  • Mac: update installer ReadMe files.
  • Convert WCG.ixm to XML format in branch by first deleting.
  • Change WCG.ism from binary to xml and merge from master.
  • WCG: Remove image compression which is not supported under vs2005.



Available installers:
World Community Grid 7.2.7
- wcg_boinc_7.2.7_windows_intelx86.exe

7231) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49978)
Posted 24 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN Scheduled downtime: 2- 5 Aug 2013
Jonathan Miller wrote:
Planned downtime: 2 - 5 August 2013

The server room in which CPDN resides is due to be shut down for electrical testing on 2 August 2013. The testing will take place over the weekend, and CPDN servers will be brought back online on 5 August 2013 (assuming everything goes to plan).

There will be NO CPDN service during this time from any Oxford machines:

ClimatePrediction.net
Climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk [this forum]
cpdn-upload2.oerc.ox.ac.uk
charybdis.oerc.ox.ac.uk
cpdntrickle.oerc.ox.ac.uk
uploader.oerc.ox.ac.uk
uploader1.atm.ox.ac.uk
cpdnbeta.oerc.ox.ac.uk
seacourt.oerc.ox.ac.uk

trillionthtonne.org

...and any others that I may have forgotten.

Unfortunately I will be on annual leave on 5 August, so I will have to leave the turning on to Mr Bowery and our diligent IT staff.

Jonathan
7232) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 49977)
Posted 24 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPDN Scheduled downtime: 2- 5 Aug 2013
Jonathan Miller wrote:
Planned downtime: 2 - 5 August 2013

The server room in which CPDN resides is due to be shut down for electrical testing on 2 August 2013. The testing will take place over the weekend, and CPDN servers will be brought back online on 5 August 2013 (assuming everything goes to plan).

There will be NO CPDN service during this time from any Oxford machines:

ClimatePrediction.net
Climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk [this forum]
cpdn-upload2.oerc.ox.ac.uk
charybdis.oerc.ox.ac.uk
cpdntrickle.oerc.ox.ac.uk
uploader.oerc.ox.ac.uk
uploader1.atm.ox.ac.uk
cpdnbeta.oerc.ox.ac.uk
seacourt.oerc.ox.ac.uk

trillionthtonne.org

...and any others that I may have forgotten.

Unfortunately I will be on annual leave on 5 August, so I will have to leave the turning on to Mr Bowery and our diligent IT staff.

Jonathan
7233) Message boards : News : BOINC for Android launched (Message 49956)
Posted 22 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Six projects now offer Android applications.

- Asteroids@home
- Einstein@Home
- O-Project@Home
- theSkynet POGS
- World Community Grid
- Yoyo@Home

Do check at their individual forums what their minimum requirements (memory mostly) are.
7234) Message boards : Questions and problems : Time (sec) Frequency(Hz) box is blank (Message 49936)
Posted 21 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is a managing program. It'll allow users to do science for a lot of projects.

Even though the domain runs from the same building as Seti, some of BOINC its developers work for both, and BOINC is the follow up for Seti Classic, we're not in any way responsible for what projects do with regards to their science, their applications and everything else.

Seti is thus only one of many projects running under BOINC. BOINC will decide which project to run, which applications for that project, when to contact the project for more work and to cache work for that project. But actually doing the science and showing graphics (screen saver) for that, is something the projects are responsible for.
7235) Message boards : Questions and problems : Time (sec) Frequency(Hz) box is blank (Message 49934)
Posted 21 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
We are NOT the Seti@Home forums. It's their graphics application that does this, so in all honesty, you'll have to complain at their forums.
7236) Message boards : Documentation : BOINC User Wiki under spam attack (Message 49929)
Posted 21 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC User Wiki is undergoing a spam attack. I am in the process of blocking 500+ accounts (manually) and removing their entries into the Wiki. Hopefully that the developers have a better (faster) way of doing this.

That these pages and the whole domain are so slow, is because of this attack (on the database). Sorry for that.
7237) Message boards : GPUs : GPU: Can I throttle GPU usage or exclude it altogether? (Message 49923)
Posted 20 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Go to the Setiathome Project Preferences (for future reference, that's from your account), change Use ATI GPU from Yes to No. Save changes to the web site.

Next open BOINC Manager->Projects tab->Select (hilight) Seti@Home->Click Update. That way BOINC gets the message that it should no longer ask for work for the ATI GPU. Any work still in cache needs to be run or aborted.

No, there is no way possible to state how many shader processors BOINC can use to do calculations with. It's an either all on or all off situation.
But you can throttle the GPU using TThrottle (See this thread), or by telling BOINC to use X% CPU time. That will throttle the GPU application as well.

By the way, the default setup for BOINC is to use the GPU only when the computer is idle. If it doesn't do that in your situation, then you told BOINC to use the GPU always, be it through web preferences, local preferences or the Activity menu.

There's also the option to tell BOINC not to use the GPU when selected applications are in memory. That's the <exclude_gpu_apps/> option in cc_config.xml.
7238) Message boards : Questions and problems : MAC BOINC Manager appears to stop computing (Message 49922)
Posted 20 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Clarifiation: I remained so far with the previous version of BOINC Manager, being 7.0.31.

And why is that?
7239) Message boards : BOINC client : Bug? - Shouldn't my climate prediction task be high priority? (Message 49921)
Posted 20 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
To see if it can run all work by deadline, make a cc_config.xml file in Notepad, save it into your BOINC Data directory (C:\ProgramData\BOINC) and add into it:

<cc_config>
   <log_flags>
       <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
       <rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
       <sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
    </log_flags>
  <options>
  </options>
</cc_config> 


When saving it, make sure to make it an 'all files' option, ANSI format. After saving, double check that the file extension is only .xml, not also .txt. If it is also .txt, rename it so the extension is only .xml

Next open BOINC Manager, Advanced, Read config file(s).
The above debug flags will now add a lot more information into your Event Log.
Run for two or three iterations, then suspend BOINC, and change the lines in cc_config.xml to:

<cc_config>
   <log_flags>
       <cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
       <rr_simulation>0</rr_simulation>
       <sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
    </log_flags>
  <options>
  </options>
</cc_config> 

Save changes to the file.
Next open BOINC Manager, Advanced, Read config file(s).
You can now resume BOINC.

Then open the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), copy the two or three iterations of the debug flags from the log and post that here.
7240) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49908)
Posted 19 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And the Einstein project is back.
7241) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49905)
Posted 18 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Einstein server is being rebooted as I type this. They're going to do a filecheck on the system. Will take a couple of hours.
7242) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49904)
Posted 18 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.5 available for testing for all platforms.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.4 --> 7.2.5:

  • client: Fix a race condition on system reboot when using a child process for detecting GPUs, add debugging support to child process.
  • client: parse <client_new_version_text> in cc_config.xml
  • client: if system clock goes backward, show details in event log.
  • client: fix bug that caused host CPID to change on each startup.
  • client: add exit status and result name to job log entries.
  • client: don't write name twice in job log.
  • WINBUILD: Force git to reevaluate the ISM files, they are XML now. (Part 1)
  • WINBUILD: Force git to reevaluate the ISM files, they are XML now. (Part 2)
  • client: Disable use of spawned processes to detect GPUs on Windows for the 7.2 release.
  • client: Use get_exit_status to wait until the GPU detection process completes and log any error code.
  • client: when launching the GPU detection child process, use boinc_fopen(), more checks for error returns.
  • Mac: fix for first-time builds.
  • WINBUILD: Updates for 7.2.5



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.5
- boinc_7.2.5_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.5_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.2.5
- boinc_7.2.5_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.5_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Macintosh 7.2.5
- boinc_7.2.5_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.5_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.5_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7243) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49903)
Posted 18 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I wanted to let you all know what our plans are for the next week or so.

Later today I'll be releasing a new client build for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android. With all the great work you all have done it looks like we are on track for a general release across all platforms on the 22nd.

Unless something changes, I expect to do another build on Thursday that will have a few last minute bug fixes.

For the Android client software I will start a new thread specific to whatever version of the software we will have in the play store at that time where I would like each person to tell me how BOINC is currently working on your device. The kinds of bugs that would cause us to re-evaluate our release schedule would be crashes or things that might cause damage to the device.

Any other bugs will be fixed in future Beta builds which will be automatically downloaded to your device since you are part of the Beta Google group. How often we convert Beta builds to production releases will depend on the feedback you all give us.

For Windows, Mac, and Linux we will be looking for our normal test feedback via the BOINC Alpha test site. Please report your results as quickly as possible.

Thanks for all your help on BOINC 7.2 to date. I look forward to seeing us make it across the finish line on Monday.

----- Rom
7244) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC task complete but not initiating transfer (Message 49902)
Posted 18 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
One doesn't upload tasks waiting to upload with the Update button, but with the Retry Now button in the Transfers tab. Which makes me believe you're seeing what Gundolf told you, that these tasks are already uploaded but waiting to be reported.

The upload mechanism is two-fold in BOINC:
1. Once a task is finished, the result data is uploaded from your computer to a disk at the server.
2. Then it needs to be reported to the database that your computer finished this task and when it uploaded the result data. Because reporting tasks uses the database, and because reporting 50 tasks takes as much overhead as reporting a single task, projects prefer that you report as many as possible at the same time.

Therefore, finished tasks are reported at or around:
1) 24 hours before deadline.
2) Connect Every X before deadline.
3) 24 hours after task completion.
4) Immediately if the upload completes later than either 1, 2, or 3 upon completion of the task.
5) On a trickle up message.
6) On a trickle down request.
7) On a server scheduled connection. Used, but I am not certain by which project.
8) On a request for new work.
9) When the user pushes the update button.
10) On a request from an account manager.
11) Report immediately every task, if "No new Task" is set.
12) Report immediately if CPU or network time-of-day override starts in the next 30 minutes. (BOINC 7.0)
13) When minimum work buffer is reached. (BOINC 7.0)
7245) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc causes my computer to restart with new GPU (Message 49896)
Posted 18 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Instant Karma.
The rebooting will be caused by something around the GPU, when it's under load.
But since you didn't think it was necessary to answer any of my previous questions, there's little I am going to do to try to help you further. It's quite irritating to ask questions, to then be completely ignored. But soi, it's not me with the problem, so good luck.
7246) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc causes my computer to restart with new GPU (Message 49882)
Posted 17 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, what is Windows Event Viewer saying about the reboots?
Any Event IDs worth noting (red, yellow)?
Any blue screens of death prior to the reboot? (Check with Blue Screen View).

Did you fully uninstall the previous drivers, prior to installing the newer drivers?
Did you try reinstalling your motherboard chipset drivers?
Have you checked whether or not the motherboard needs a newer BIOS for fix stability problems such as these?
Is your power supply unit (PSU) strong enough to cater for the new videocard?
7247) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49877)
Posted 16 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.malariacontrol.net/forum_index.php is available for me.
As is http://www.malariacontrol.net/server_status.php
7248) Message boards : Questions and problems : the task reached 100% and keeps running. Close to 300% already... (Message 49876)
Posted 16 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project?
Which science application for that project?
Which BOINC version?
Which operating system?
Have you asked at the project if this is normal?
Have you tried to exit BOINC and to restart it?
7249) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49870)
Posted 15 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.4 available for testing for all platforms.

The bug about the possible changing the hostID number on each BOINC restart is known, as well as that BM will refuse to parse <client_new_version_text> when added to cc_config.xml. These are already fixed in future source code.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.1 --> 7.2.2:

  • VBOX: Add an additional error check to determine if a stale VM needs to be unregistered.
  • MGR: bug fix: last item in arg list for run_program() should be NULL, not empty string.
  • client: Fixes for launching a child process for detecting GPUs.

    Allow relative path to the client executable.
    Bug fix: last item in arg list for run_program() should be NULL, not empty string.

  • client: Fixes for launching a child process for detecting GPUs.
    We must call parse_cmdline() to set the working directory before read_config_file().

  • Various: Fix some compile warnings; from Gianfranco.
  • client: don't fetch work if project has > max(2000, ncpus*100) runnable jobs.
  • Manager and GUI RPC: fix bugs that caused bad Intel GPU backoff display.
  • Update all_projects_list.xml for stock installers as well as Android.
  • client: change per-project runnable job limit to a flat 1000.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.2 --> 7.2.3:


  • API: use OpenProcess(), not EnumProcesses(), to see if client is still alive.
  • API: fix last commit; need a DesiredAccess arg to OpenProcess()
  • client: tweaks for API test harness - parse cc_config.xml
  • API: remove logic that makes new app graphics work with version 5 clients.
  • client: compile fix.
  • API: Win bug fix: need to create mutex initially free.
  • client: API test harness tweak.
  • client: compile fix for non-Windows builds.
  • Ignore the PTP installer temp directory.
  • WINBUILD: Fix the PTP splash screen in the installer.
  • client: Clearing the devnums_pci_slot_sort vector after the first Nvidia OpenCL device is detected causes a SIGSEGV for any subsequent Nvidia OpenCL device detections.

Preliminary Change Log 7.2.3 --> 7.2.4:


  • CERT: Update all the root CAs to the latest and greatest from Mozilla. Current version works with WCG.



Available installers:

Windows 7.2.4
- boinc_7.2.4_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.4_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.2.4
- boinc_7.2.4_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.4_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Macintosh 7.2.4
- boinc_7.2.4_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.2.4_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.2.4_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7250) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't use BOINC on Raspberry Pi, computer appears to be "in use" always (Message 49867)
Posted 14 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
My advice to you is to contact Gianfranco Costamagna on this. He's one of the maintainers of BOINC for a lot of distros, including Debian. He may still have an older version available from his PPA. See https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/locutusofborg-ppa for his contact details.

What you can also do is approach Bikeman (Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein) at Einstein, perhaps through private message, and ask him how he got things to run correctly on his RasPi.

If need be, point back to this thread for more info for him, as well as that he can possibly use this to give info for others having the same trouble.
7251) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't use BOINC on Raspberry Pi, computer appears to be "in use" always (Message 49865)
Posted 14 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure if I can "force" the system to find a newer version (beta?)...

http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/boinc.html has 7.0.65
Don't go for 7.1 or 7.2, as these are really unstable development versions with active bugs in them.

Also, for future reference, check http://wiki.debian.org/BOINC
7252) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49851)
Posted 12 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The CPDN Boinc pages and scheduler etc have been down all day, the remaining pages don't say why.

According to my sources, one of the two drives in the RAID that the project runs off of has had a hiccup, causing the RAID to fail. It is now rebuilding. The admins intend to swap both drives, after the first one has settled. Down time can be quite long.
7253) Message boards : Projects : astropulse (Message 49846)
Posted 12 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When just on http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ check the About menu at the top. It has links to many of their active stuff. :)
7254) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I move BOINC to a different machine(PC) (Message 49842)
Posted 12 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Set No New Tasks on all active projects.
2. Run cache empty and upload everything.
3. Report all work.
4. Now find and move the BOINC Data directory from where it is on the old machine to a directory on the new machine.

Default Data directory paths:
Windows 98/SE/ME: C:\Windows\All Users\BOINC\ or C:\Windows\Profiles\All Users\BOINC\ (*)
Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ (*)
Windows Vista/Windows 7: C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ (*)
Linux: wherever you unpack it/BOINC/
Macintosh OS X: /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/

(*) The directory will be hidden, so either put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer, or instruct Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.

5. When installing BOINC on the new machine, in the third screen in the installer, click Advanced.


6. Change the path for the data directory to where you moved the data directory (if not default place on the new machine).


This can only be done when going from same operating system to same operating system, so Windows to Windows, or Linux to Linux. It cannot be done when going from e.g. Windows to Linux, that'll trigger a new hostID.
It also needs to go from the same hardware to the same new, e.g. Intel to Intel CPU. When going from an Intel to an AMD CPU or vice versa, you will get a new hostID.
7255) Message boards : Projects : astropulse (Message 49840)
Posted 12 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi, you've reached the BOINC forums. We're not the Seti project. Any project related questions, such as this are better asked at the project.

In the case of Astropulse, and what it is, Seti has it explained on their website: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_faq.php
7256) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49821)
Posted 9 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.2.1 available for testing for Windows and Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.1.18 --> 7.2.1:

  • MGR: revert my changes 3ea6711 and 429c699: a value of 0 for max_ncpus_pct means "ignore", not "100%; added "(0 means ignore this setting)" to the Advanced Computing Preferences dialog.
  • LOC: Attempt to discard fuzzy matched strings. It isn't clear to me right now if Pootle will attempt to read the newer po file before applying the template.
  • Mac uninstaller: use OS X API to localize directory paths instead of having volunteer translators to do it.
  • client: AMD GPU ID tweaks, from [P3D] Crashtest.
  • client, Android: always use mmap instead of shmget for client/app comm.
  • client: if idle instance, fetch work even if uploading.
  • LOC: Update Translations.
  • client: optionally detect GPUs via a child process, for dual_GPU laptops.

    Some dual-GPU laptops (e.g., Macbook Pro) don't power down the more powerful GPU until all applications which used them exit. To save battery life, the client launches a second instance of the client as a child process to detect and get info about the GPUs. The child process writes the info to a temp file which our main client then reads. This option is enabled at compile time by defining USE_CHILD_PROCESS_TO_DETECT_GPUS as non-zero in gpu_detect.cpp

  • client: fix compile break on Windows.
  • client: bug fix for detecting GPUs via a child process.
  • client: fix bug in commit c8e1b51: matching of ATI/AMD CAL and OpenCL GPU enumeration for (most) cases where CAL supports some older GPUs but OpenCL does not.
  • client: tweaks to code for detecting GPUs via a child process and change sprintf calls to safer snprintf.
  • client: tweaks to code for detecting GPUs via a child process.
  • client: don't request work from NCI project if "no new work" set.
  • WINBUILD: Remove stale project files (Charity Engine).
  • WINBUILD: Remove stale project files (Progress Thru Processors).
  • WINBUILD: New project files (Charity Engine).
  • WINBUILD: New project files (GridRepublic).
  • WINBUILD: New project files (Progress Thru Processors).
  • client: tweaks to code for detecting GPUs via a child process.

    Added safety features requested by Rom Walton:
    -> Change COPROC_ATI::get_available_ram and COPROC_NVIDIA::get_available_ram to static routines to prevent calling them without first loading CAL or CUDA libraries.
    - > Add tests for NULL library calls in these routines.
    -> Add comments warning about need to call from a separate child process on dual-GPU laptops, proper library initialization, etc.

  • WINBUILD: Remove stale installer files (packages were never used anyway).
  • client: apparently CUDA does not always report GPUs in order of ascending PCI slot number, but Apple's OpenCL does. We must take this into account win correlating NVIDIA OpenCL GPUs with CUDA GPUs.

    Since NVIDIA provides drivers for both OpenCL and CUDA on Windows and Linux, I am assuming (until shown otherwise) that they will report GPUs in the same order.

  • WINBUILD: Remove outdated installer files.
  • client: use a child process for detecting GPUs on all platforms, not just on Macs.
  • client: minor housekeeping cleanup when correlating CUDA GPU reporting order with Apple's OpenCL.
  • WINBUILD: Update Charity Engine Installer.
  • WINBUILD: Fix the shortcut to launch Charity Engine.
  • WINBUILD: Fix out of place reference to boincmgr.exe in Charity Engine installer.
  • WINBUILD: Update Progress Thru Processor's installer files.
  • WINBUILD: Updates for PTP's default screensaver.
  • WINBUILD: Set the default skin to Charity Engine on installation.
  • WINBUILD: Set the default skin to Progress Thru Processors on installation.
  • client: Add the various OS compatibility shreds to the assembly manifest so we can properly detect Windows 8.1 or better.
  • Mac installer: fix crash bug, improve translations.
  • client: fix display of CUDA version.
  • client: mostly revert dddf586, which could lead to way overcommitted CPU.
  • client: fix compiler warning.
  • API: fix synchronization problem that could make apps nonresponsive.
  • API: add test harness for the runtime system

    -> If you run the client with --run_test_app, runs "test_app" in the current directory and interacts with it (and does nothing else). It can suspend/resume it with arbitrary timing; this is controlled in run_test_app() (app_start.cpp).
    -> example app: add --critical_section option. This lets you test the runtime system for apps that do most of their work in a critical section (like GPU apps).
    -> Add some logging messages (conditioned by DEBUG_BOINC_API) to the runtime system.
    -> boinc_finish() waits for the timer thread to write final messages; make sure it doesn't do anything else (like suspend the worker thread) during this period.

  • client: compile fix for Windows.
  • client: don't apply CPU throttling to apps that use < .5 CPUs (like GPU, NCI).
  • client: don't request work from a project w/ > 1000 runnable jobs.

    Because of O(N2) algorithms, the client becomes CPU-intensive when there are lots of jobs.
    This limit could be somewhat lower.

  • API: compile fix for newer gcc on Unix.




Available installers:

Windows 7.2.1
- boinc_7.2.1_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.2.1_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.2.1
- boinc_7.2.1_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.2.1_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7257) Message boards : GPUs : Can I force BOINC to use CAL with my HD4850 instead of OpenCL? (Message 49815)
Posted 8 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
BOINC version 6.12.34
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
04-Jul-2013 18:52:22 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.0.64 for windows_intelx86

Yah, saying one thing and showing the log of something else...

04-Jul-2013 18:52:22 [---] CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (CAL version 1.4.1664, 512MB, 495MB available, 2048 GFLOPS peak)
04-Jul-2013 18:52:22 [---] OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (driver version CAL 1.4.1664, device version OpenCL 1.0 AMD-APP (851.4), 512MB, 495MB available, 2048 GFLOPS peak)

As you can see, the GPU is CAL capable as well, the drivers are installed correctly, as is BOINC which detects both capabilities.

Then I enabled it for the Milkyway project.
Every thing was running fine for a few days and then I stated seeing computation errors. So I suspended the project.

And then you posted a question for help in the Milkyway forums, right? So that knowledgeable people there would tell you what Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1) means when it's gotten at the MW project? It's their science application making the computation errors, so they should know --or be able to hint at it-- what causes it.

I don't know what is causing that problem, but after doing some reading I thought, GPU0 only meets the requirements of one project. Then I looked at the CAL version and thought, what if I could get the projects to use their CAL exe instead by using the Anonymous Platform mechanism.

CAL is the old way of doing calculations on ATI/AMD GPUs. It's long-winded, difficult to add, almost impossible to make apps with it, as there's neigh-on no documentation from AMD about how to do so. AMD no longer maintains CAL, they've closed it down in favor of OpenCL.

Not all projects that support AMD GPUs have a CAL executable. Most all have got OpenCL only, because they started producing apps when only OpenCL was available. The projects that still have a CAL application are catering it for the low-end GPUs that don't do OpenCL, or lack the necessary OCL 1.1 capability. There's one project that I know of that even retracted their CAL application, as it produced only errors (Einstein).

You can also cheaply upgrade to a newer AMD GPU and arrive in the future. Like a HD7750 for just $107.-, it does the necessary double precision at MW as well.
7258) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Something got borked during update (Message 49808)
Posted 7 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Very difficult without knowing things such as your operating system, or the BOINC version(s) involved.

If Windows, check what it says in the registry at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup what the DATADIR entry is, and if that one's the same as where you put the data directory on your system. If not, change the path here to where your data directory is, then (exit and) restart BOINC.
7259) Message boards : GPUs : Can I force BOINC to use CAL with my HD4850 instead of OpenCL? (Message 49804)
Posted 7 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The last time around it wasn't:
6/25/2013 9:32:37 PM | | CAL: ATI GPU 0 (ignored by config): ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (CAL version 1.4.1664, 512MB, 498MB available, 2048 GFLOPS peak)
6/25/2013 9:32:37 PM | | CAL: ATI GPU 1: ATI Radeon HD 5500/5600 series (Redwood) (CAL version 1.4.1664, 1024MB, 1012MB available, 1040 GFLOPS peak)
6/25/2013 9:32:37 PM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0 (ignored by config): ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (driver version CAL 1.4.1664, device version OpenCL 1.0 AMD-APP (851.4), 512MB, 498MB available, 2048 GFLOPS peak)
6/25/2013 9:32:37 PM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 1: ATI Radeon HD 5500/5600 series (Redwood) (driver version CAL 1.4.1664, device version OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP (851.4), 1024MB, 1012MB available, 1040 GFLOPS peak)


Now, posting just one line out of the start-up messages is too little information, so can you please post the first 20-30 again?
Also tell what you changed between the previous log excerpt and your new one, aside from changing cc_config.xml so that GPU0 isn't ignored by config.
7260) Message boards : Questions and problems : work unit generation (Message 49797)
Posted 6 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, you first install the BOINC back end, server and database: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/QuickStart
Next you continue reading http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain on how to set everything up.
Eventually you'll get to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/JavaApps.

But it won't be a walk in the park.
7261) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot attach to Climateprediction.net (Message 49789)
Posted 4 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Les Bayliss's post recommends making a backup copy, but does not imply what that file might be useful for, or when (other than, of course, restoring an individual machine that was previously attached to CPDN).

The account_*.xml file is the most important file when it comes to adding a project. If you were to remove this file for any of the projects attached, that project would simply no longer be attached to your BOINC.

So, making a backup of the account_*.xml files is a good tip. If you were to ever add another computer, and you ant it to run the same projects as the old system does, all you have to do is install BOINC, exit it, then add the account_*.xml files to the BOINC Data directory and restart BOINC. That way that BOINC would instantly look for applications and work for those projects.

Mind, any project set to No New Tasks wouldn't hold this state, as that's recorded in the client_state.xml file. These files are unique to the system they run on, so it's not one you'd want to move to another system.
7262) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Task Scheduling? (Message 49788)
Posted 4 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see When requesting and giving help on these forums... for what information we need at minimum.
7263) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc does not recognise Nvidia Tesla GPU in windows 8 - 32 bit (Message 49787)
Posted 4 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you install the Tesla drivers from Nvidia? If not, do so first. The drivers that Windows installs lack the necessary CUDA and OpenCL parts that BOINC needs to see the GPU.
7264) Message boards : Questions and problems : Monitor problem (Message 49779)
Posted 3 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When requesting and giving help on these forums...
7265) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available (Message 49775)
Posted 2 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think surgery would help here, as the Achilles tendon that attaches to my heal bone is 5 mm thick. Normally it's 2 mm thick. So unless they'll replace the tendon with a new one (;-)), I don't see what surgery could do here.

The really best thing would just be to put my foot up on a stool for the next 6 months and totally not walk on it. But that's not an option.
7266) Message boards : Questions and problems : Throttle GPU but not CPU when PC in use? (Message 49763)
Posted 1 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In Computing preferences:
- Suspend GPU work while computer is in use? Yes.

In Local Preferences:

Uncheck Use GPU while computer is in use.

These preferences require that BOINC runs CPU and GPU based on preferences.
They also require that boinctray.exe is running. This is the idle tracking program.

If this doesn't stop the science application, complain at the forums of the project that the science application is from. Then their application isn't adhering to the suspend request that the client sends, and it's out of our hands.
When it's a Seti or Einstein application, check their forums first for threads about this subject.
7267) Message boards : GPUs : ATI HD5970 GPU problem (Message 49762)
Posted 1 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Outside of drivers, I have a whole different problem with the information given...
Mark Vincent wrote:
I am having problems running tasks on the ATI Radion HD5970.
Mark Vincent wrote:

01/07/2013 06:07:42 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5800 series (Cypress) (CAL version 1.4.1417, 1024MB, 991MB available, 4640 GFLOPS peak)
01/07/2013 06:07:42 | | CAL: ATI GPU 1: ATI Radeon HD 5800 series (Cypress) (CAL version 1.4.1417, 1024MB, 991MB available, 4640 GFLOPS peak)
01/07/2013 06:07:42 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5800 series (Cypress) (driver version CAL 1.4.1417 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP (898.1), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4640 GFLOPS peak)
01/07/2013 06:07:42 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 1: ATI Radeon HD 5800 series (Cypress) (driver version CAL 1.4.1417 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP (898.1), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4640 GFLOPS peak)


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6814654

So, where's this mysterious HD5970?

Mark Vincent wrote:
...the system will blue screen

What does the BSOD say? If you do not know, use Blue Screen View to find out as it contains information about why the system crashes.
7268) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available (Message 49758)
Posted 1 Jul 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yippee, I no longer have to endure the pain of the shockwave treatments, as the excruciating pain I still had 5 days after the first 2 minute treatment was enough to stop using this method immediately.

So instead they're now using direct current. Also painful, a burning sensation even, but less painful than having the shock waves hit my foot.

Want to know how painful shockwave is? Ever hit yourself on the thumb or other body part with a hammer? Try imagining that once a second on an already painful spot. Then increase magnitude by 100. Bloody painful.

Anyway, still taking my time off. I've been on some forums for one or two posts, that's the frequency I'll continue with, or less.
7269) Message boards : The Lounge : Not available (Message 49713)
Posted 24 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi all,

During at least the next two weeks I'll not available through these or any other forums. In that time I'll be having a couple of shock wave therapy sessions to fight the calcaneal spur that I've been developing the past year. Corticosteroid injections only helped temporarily, I've run through all 3 of them already.

So, the last thing to try is Extracorporeal Shock Wave Therapy.
Since I'm pretty much forced to do nothing anyway, I'll use this time to move the BOINC FAQs into a Wiki and delete, update or rewrite them where necessary.

See you on the flip side.
7270) Message boards : GPUs : Can a legacy HD4850 GPU and a HD5570 GPU coexist? (Message 49704)
Posted 23 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't how to determine the minimum driver the HD5570 can use.

The HD5570 was released in October 2009. So any driver you have is good enough. Your only hiatus is that Catalysts 12.2 and further do not have OpenCL drivers under Windows XP. You NEED a newer Windows for that. Or use at maximum 12.1
7271) Message boards : Questions and problems : git fails to download boinc source on linux (Message 49702)
Posted 23 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BUT your "git clone git://....." command worked as promised this time. I have no idea why the "git clone http://..." command fails.

That it worked the second time is because you now used the link I gave you, which misses the extra /git/ in the address.
Why the HTTP address doesn't work is something I don't know. I sent it off to the developers yesterday, and just did so again. Something for them to look into.
7272) Message boards : GPUs : Can a legacy HD4850 GPU and a HD5570 GPU coexist? (Message 49697)
Posted 23 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can always use Driver Sweeper. It's Windows XP compatible: http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4266-driver-sweeper.html
7273) Message boards : Questions and problems : git fails to download boinc source on linux (Message 49696)
Posted 23 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have similar problems when using the HTTP address under Windows. Using git://boinc.berkeley.edu/boinc-v2.git as the address, I have no trouble. What about you?
7274) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer safety (Message 49683)
Posted 22 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Security
7275) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPDN tasks not trickling. (Message 49680)
Posted 22 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If trickles aren't uploading, check the status of the network connection BOINC is allowed to use. Is it suspended, based on preferences, always available? If based on preferences, are there any preferences inhibiting the connection to be on at certain times?

Whether or not the application trickled, should be shown in the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E). Not sure if cling Update would try to force a stuck trickle to go up, if network is available. But else try the "Do network communications" option in the Advanced menu.
7276) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer safety (Message 49676)
Posted 22 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only safe way in which you can protect yourself from things like this, is by disconnecting your computer from the internet. Added safety will be gained by burying your computer 15 meters under the ice of the North Pole.

In other words, we cannot give you a guarantee that all of the projects are 100% legit and that they do what they say they do. No one can.
How can you be sure that the operating system you have doesn't have back-doors? How can you be sure that all the software you run doesn't send the complete contents of your hard drive back to its owners? How can you be sure that whatever you say on the telephone isn't being recorded by parties unknown?

There's a time for paranoia, and there's a time for letting go.
That said, do you have anything that's worth it to sit secretly hidden in a niche of a directory on your hard drive? ;-)
7277) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not fetching new work from World Community Grid (Message 49665)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Check at WCG that you have selected a (sub-)project that still has work. Some have run out and are no longer available.

2. Check that you didn't set No New Tasks (NNT). In the Projects tab, you should see "No new tasks" after selecting WCG. If you see "Allow new tasks", you have set NNT. The button shows the option you have, not the state the button is in.

3. Check that you didn't suspend the project. In the Projects tab, you should see "Suspend" after selecting WCG. If you see "Resume", you have suspended the project. The button shows the option you have, not the state the button is in.

4. Check that you didn't have (old) work for the project suspended. In the Tasks tab, click Show all tasks, next check the status column and see if there's any "Suspended by user" or otherwise Suspended tasks. Are any of these from WCG?
7278) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49663)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not really a bug, but a small warning for alpha testers who update to 7.1.18

I think due to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/3ea6711d0619c6c3f84791d5d33339b464bf5267/boinc-v2
(MGR: if max_ncpus_pct is 0, show 100% in Advanced Preferences dialog.), the amount of CPUs used by BOINC gets reset to 100%.

This means that people who have set up BOINC to run with all but one or more CPU cores from local advanced preferences --e.g. to accommodate GPUs-- that they'll have to reset this preference back to the value they had before upgrading!

So keep an eye out, don't just install and walk away.
7279) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 49662)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.68 available for testing for World Community Grid.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.67 --> 7.0.68:

  • client: Add missing check for the no_project_notices flag.
  • MGR: Use the skin's application short name instead of 'BOINC' for notices from the client.
  • MGR: Remove potential buffer overrun.
  • client: fix bug that sometimes prevented work fetch when CPU throttling in use.
  • MGR: Fix build break.
  • client: fix bug that allowed work fetch request while file uploads active.

    A while back we added a mechanism intended to defer work-request RPCs while file uploads are happening, with the goal of reporting completed tasks sooner and reducing the number of RPCs. There were 2 bugs in this mechanism.
    -> First, the decision of whether an upload is active was flawed; if several uploads were active and 1 finished,
    it would act like all had finished.
    -> Second, when WORK_FETCH::choose_project.cpp() picks a project, it sets p->sched_rpc_pending to RPC_REASON_NEED_WORK.
    If we then decide not to request work because an upload is active, we need to clear this field. Otherwise scheduler_rpc_poll() will do an RPC to it, piggybacking a work request and bypassing the upload check.

  • client: fix bug that delayed work fetch from non-CPU-intensive projects.

    We were waiting until there was no task for the project before asking for another task. We should have been waiting until there was no in-progress task.

  • MGR: if max_ncpus_pct is 0, show 100% in Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • client: Win version name tweaks, from [P3D} Crashtest.
  • client: clear max_concurrent is app_config.xml no longer exists.

    If you had an app_config.xml that limited the # of concurrent tasks for an app, and you delete it and do "reread config", then remove the limit.

  • client: if project sends dont_use_dcf, set its DCF to 1.



Available installers:
World Community Grid 7.0.68
- wcg_boinc_7.0.68_windows_intelx86.exe

7280) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49661)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.18 available for testing for Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.1.17 --> 7.1.18:

  • Mac installer:Add BOINC Installer icon to dialogs in the Postinstall app.
  • client: fix bug that allowed work fetch request while file uploads active

    A while back we added a mechanism intended to defer work-request RPCs while file uploads are happening, with the goal of reporting completed tasks sooner and reducing the number of RPCs. There were 2 bugs in this mechanism.
    - First, the decision of whether an upload is active was flawed; if several uploads were active and 1 finished, it would act like all had finished.
    - Second, when WORK_FETCH::choose_project.cpp() picks a project, it sets p->sched_rpc_pending to RPC_REASON_NEED_WORK. If we then decide not to request work because an upload is active, we need to clear this field. Otherwise scheduler_rpc_poll() will do an RPC to it,
    piggybacking a work request and bypassing the upload check.

  • client: fill in HOST_INFO producet_name field for Macintosh.

    This returns an Apple hardware model designation such as "MacPro3,1". One source for converting this to a common model name is:
    http://?http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/mac-specs-by-machine-model-machine-id.html

  • client: fix bug that delayed work fetch from non-CPU-intensive projects.

    We were waiting until there was no task for the project before asking for another task. We should have been waiting until there was no in-progress task.

  • client: fix bug that sometimes prevented work fetch when GPU exclusions used.
  • MGR: update progress display in simple view more frequently. Update progress display if progress has changed by at least 0.001% (was 0.1%).
  • MGR: if max_ncpus_pct is 0, show 100% in Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • client: remove code that avoids overcommitting CPUs if MT jobs present.

    This can lead to starving the CPUs if there are both GPU and MT jobs. The basic problem is that a host with GPUs will never have all its CPUs available for MT jobs. It should probably advertise fewer CPUs, or something.

  • MGR: if max_ncpus_pct is 0, show 100% in Advanced Preferences dialog.
  • client: Win version name tweaks, from [P3D} Crashtest.
  • client: clear max_concurrent if app_config.xml no longer exists. If you had an app_config.xml that limited the # of concurrent tasks for an app, and you delete it and do "reread config", then remove the limit.
  • MGR: test if (max_ncpus_pct == 0) instead of (max_ncpus_pct < 0.1) in Advanced Preferences dialog (requested by David Anderson).
  • client: if project sends dont_use_dcf, set its DCF to 1.
  • Mac uninstaller: localize the dialog strings in the Uninstall BOINC app.
  • Mac uninstaller: fix comments.
  • Mac installer and uninstaller: eliminate minor memory leaks.
  • Mac installer: eliminate minor memory leaks.
  • LOC: Update template for latest changes.
  • LOC: Update translation files.
  • LOC: Fix bug reported when using Italian on Debian.
  • boinccmd: show result states as strings instead of numbers.




Available installers:

Windows 7.1.18
- boinc_7.1.18_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.1.18_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.1.18
- boinc_7.1.18_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.1.18_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Macintosh 7.1.18
- boinc_7.1.18_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.1.18_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.1.18_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7281) Message boards : Questions and problems : "--fetch_minimal_work" really fetches 1 work unit per project .. expected? (Message 49659)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I was wrong. The --fetch_minimal_work algorithm asks for work for all devices once (all CPUs, all cores, all GPUs). But then it won't ask for work anymore afterwards. So you run one task per core, per GPU and that's it.

It also seems to only ask for work from the primary project, not from any backup projects. It also won't ask for work piggy-backed upon a cache. Meaning that if you had work in cache and you enable <fetch_minimal_work/>, that you'll end up with an empty cache when all work already in cache has been crunched.

Only on a restart of the client will it ask for work, get 1 task for each piece of hardware, then cease again.
7282) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49644)
Posted 18 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who coughed wrong at the Seti database?
7283) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 49640)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would be nice to have an option for "snooze Gpu(X) where there today is snooze GPU down at the windows clock icon when right-clicking the BM icon.

As per the developers: this is a reasonable request but we're not going to do it soon.

They asked me to make it a trac ticket, which I did: [trac]#1292[/trac]
7284) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 49639)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
i want to propose the function of parallel computation for any downloaded task, so the task was splitted for chunks and those chunks can be run in parallel threads loading all cpu cores...

Answer from the developers: Not going to be done, ever.
7285) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request: suspend GPU tasks when fullscreen app is running (Message 49638)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did forward your request to the developers, who answered this back:

Charlie Fenton wrote:
you wrote:
So, I propose to add an option to suspend GPU computation if any application is running in fullscreen mode.

If we did that, it would suspend GPU computation when the BOINC screen saver is running, since both the default screen saver and the project screen savers are full-screen OpenGL applications.

Cheers,
--Charlie
7286) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC task complete but not initiating transfer (Message 49634)
Posted 16 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
While it certainly is BOINC its duty to upload tasks, it is not its duty to finish them before the task is done. That's something that the science application does, or in this case the ClimatePrediction application.

If that one continues to run when it's been on 100% for some time, even when you've exited & restarted the BOINC client (you did try that?) or rebooted the computer (you tried that?), then you'll have to report this on the CPDN forums, as then it's something their developers will have to look into.
7287) Message boards : Questions and problems : "--fetch_minimal_work" really fetches 1 work unit per project .. expected? (Message 49628)
Posted 16 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just wonder, if with a 4 Xeon Mobo, you get 4 with minimal fetch, but think your 'device' theory here falls over

BOINC will see 4 separate CPUs, not one CPU with 4 cores.
I am not saying that BOINC will see 16 CPUs if each Xeon is a quad core.

7288) Message boards : Questions and problems : "--fetch_minimal_work" really fetches 1 work unit per project .. expected? (Message 49624)
Posted 15 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do know that the --fetch_minimal_work option is one very good one for debugging applications. Especially when used in combination with --exit_after_finish
The --fetch_minimal_work option has not much to do with how BOINC schedules work. When it sees this option, it'll just ask 1 task per computational piece of hardware, or device.

If you want to cache 1 task per core + amount of GPUs, set "minimum work" and "additional work" to zero. Then BOINC will always only ask enough work to fill the hardware, maybe one or two extra as cache.

Now, not 'everything else in BOINC schedules by core'.
All GPUs are detected 'by device', and shown as device0, device1, device2 etc.
GPUs have hundreds of computation cores. BOINC only schedules by GPU, not by the individual computation cores in the GPU.

So equally, one CPU is a device.
When you dismantle your PC and take the CPU out of its socket, you hold one piece of hardware, one device, not 8.
When you are a lucky person and you have 4 Xeon CPUs on a motherboard, you have 4 devices.
When you're an ultra lucky person with 4 Xeon CPUs and 2 GPUs, you have 6 devices.
It's that simple.
7289) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49620)
Posted 15 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.17 available for testing for Macintosh.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
In addition to the work fetch and scheduler changes, the Mac build has changes to the installer which will localize its two custom dialogs. These are the dialogs asking:
* Do you want noon-administrative users to be able to want non-administrative users to be able to run and control BOINC?
* Do you want to set BOINC as the screensaver?

Note that, depending on your system configuration and how you previously answered these questions, you may or may not see these dialogs. You should see both dialogs if your system has non-admin users and you have run the Uninstall BOINC utility before running the installer.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Charlie Fenton wrote:
To clarify:
The Mac installer which will localize its two custom dialogs once our volunteer translators have submitted the translation file and they have been added to our translation database. Until then, the dialogs will continue to display in English.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Macintosh 7.1.17
- boinc_7.1.17_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.1.17_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.1.17_i686-apple-darwin.zip
7290) Message boards : BOINC Manager : New feature request: messages tab option (Message 49613)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
But do know that any new features in BOINC Manager are then not available in the old BOINC Manager. New features, such as the exclusive_app option, the reread of app_config.xml done from the menu (you then need to restart the client), etc.
7291) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49612)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.17 available for testing for Windows and Linux.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new version to test. It includes the following changes since 7.1.15:
* Work fetch and scheduler changes

There was a bug which prevented work-fetch for a project if the CPU throttling preference was not 100%. Try various values and make sure
they will still fetch work when it is running low.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha. Please
report bugs to this email list (boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu).

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.1.15 --> 7.1.17:

  • client: if event log line limit is set to 0 (unlimited) in cc_config.xml, display "Config: event log limit disabled" in event log at startup
  • Add missing build.
  • lib: Fix bugs and license in simplified string localization code adapted from wxWidgets.
  • MGR: Fix wording of alert when user changes language / locale. (From Jacob Klein)
  • client: fix bug that sometimes prevented work fetch when CPU throttling in use.
  • MGR: Use the skin's application short name instead of 'BOINC' for notices from the client.
  • MGR: Remove potential buffer overrun.
  • Mac installer: localize the dialog strings in the Postinstall app.
  • MGR: Fix build break.
  • client: Add missing check for the no_project_notices flag.



(7.1.16 was unreleased or an Android version that went directly to the Google Play Store)


Available installers:

Windows 7.1.17
- boinc_7.1.17_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.1.17_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.1.17
- boinc_7.1.17_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.1.17_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

(Mac to follow)

7292) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Wishlist: Flexible Processing Times (Message 49610)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already in the to do list at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PrefsRemodel but no estimated time as to when --if ever-- this will be added.
7293) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 49604)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0 has separate schedulers (and such) for CPU and GPU. These schedulers have been rewritten from the ground up. For 7.2 we're testing the new work fetch module in the present 7.1 range.

The "and such" for me means setting separate minimum and maximum additional work buffers for the CPU and GPU work. Is that possible?

BOINC 7.2 will have rewritten work fetch modules, separate ones for CPU and GPU.
You can test that with 7.1.15, links in the change log thread. Do know, once you start using development versions, these will have bugs. They can crash your system. But all the while be harmless as well.

And know the numbering:
Major dot odd dot revision == Development/alpha client.
Major dot even dot revision == Release Candidate or Recommended Client.

7.1.xx is always development. When using one, you'll have to check in regularly to see if newer (better) versions are available and update.
7294) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 49603)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
But #2...
Is it
a) running the benchmarks every 5 days regardless of start/restart of client?
b) running the benchmark after a restart of the client (i) immediatley, (ii) after 5 days after the restart, or (iii) only after restart if 5 days of continuious running pass prior to the restart?

Before the change, the client would benchmark every 5 days, as long as the client was running.
After the change, the client will only benchmark immediately upon restart (before anything is loaded), and only do so if prior to the exit & restart the client had been running for 5 days or more.

But it's (remotely) possible that your client starts with the --run_cpu_benchmarks attribute. You can also run it with the --skip_cpu_benchmarks attribute. Guess what that does? :)

BOINC might leave the GPU tasks in memory, but it still somehow messed up the GPU runs, returning errors. It may be app dependent as a number of GPU apps are also using the CPU concurrently. Possibly an error is generated if a GPU looks for the CPU, but the CPU is offline due to benchmarking.

Can also be coincidence, that the GPU app crashed for another reason just around the time a benchmark was done. Without knowledge of the actual error message, stderr.txt entries and/or link to the affected computer, it's guessing.
7295) Message boards : BOINC Manager : New feature request: messages tab option (Message 49599)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Messages are still available, they're just in their own window now. Either Advanced->Event log, or press CTRL+SHIFT+E.

The Messages tab does not come back.

If you still feel you can't do without the messages in a tab, try a third party app such as BOINCTasks or BOINCView
7296) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 49597)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Get rid of the automatic benchmarking

Since BOINC 6.10, the benchmarking only happens:
1. when you've upgraded or downgraded the client.
2. when you've exited & restarted the client, after it has run for 5 days or more.

It does not benchmark on any other times, unless you specifically told it to do a benchmark through the menu.

it clears the GPU wu in the middle of a long run thus restarting the wu from scatch...

Since BOINC 7.0, BOINC leaves GPU tasks in memory when doing benchmarks.

As such:
6/13/2013 11:40:07 PM | Einstein@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming for PA0070_01021_57_0
6/13/2013 11:40:45 PM |  | Running CPU benchmarks
6/13/2013 11:40:45 PM |  | Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
6/13/2013 11:40:45 PM | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting PA0070_01021_57_0 (left in memory)
6/13/2013 11:40:45 PM | Einstein@Home | [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for PA0070_01021_57_0 from suspend

CPU tasks are still unloaded from memory prior to the benchmarks.

Actually that brings up another wish...separate CPUs from GPUs in terms of scheduling and such.

BOINC 7.0 has separate schedulers (and such) for CPU and GPU. These schedulers have been rewritten from the ground up. For 7.2 we're testing the new work fetch module in the present 7.1 range.
7297) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49594)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.15 available for testing for Macintosh.

See change log in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=8378&postid=49589.

Available installers:

Macintosh 7.1.15
- boinc_7.1.15_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.1.15_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.1.15_i686-apple-darwin.zip
7298) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49589)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.15 available for testing for Windows and Linux.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new version to test. It includes the following changes since 7.1.10:
* Work fetch and scheduler changes

The work fetch and scheduler changes mostly involve situations where GPU exclusions are being used, and GPUs end up idle.
If you use GPU exclusions (i.e. <exclude_gpu> elements in your cc_config.xml) please try different combinations and see if there are
problems.

The client should no longer make empty work-request RPCs. So if you see any empty work-requests (0 seconds requested) let us know.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha. Please report bugs to this email list (boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu).

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom



Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.1.10 --> 7.1.15:

  • WinDOWS: build fixes.
  • Mac: add str_replace.h to fix build breaks.
  • client: AMD GPU identification updates from [P3D] Crashtest.
  • client: don't make empty work-request RPCs.
    It's reported that the client can repeatedly make work request RPCs that don't request work for any resource. (David) I'm not sure why this happens, but prevent it.

  • client: show event log line limit in event log at startup.
  • client: fix work-fetch bug that can cause idle GPUs when using exclusions.

    Round-robin simulation, among other things, creates a bitmap "sim_excluded_instances" of instances that are idle because of CPU exclusions.
    There was a problem in how this was computed; in the situation where there are fewer jobs than GPU instances it could fail to set any bits, so no work fetch would happen.

    My solution is a bit of a kludge, but should work in most cases. The long-term solution is to treat GPU instances separately, eliminating the need for GPU exclusions. (David)

  • client: fix work fetch bugs that caused incorrect GPU fetches.
  • Mac installer: To avoid invalidating our code signing: use a metapackage instead of modifying the property list file to trigger a system restart when needed.
  • lib: Simplified string localization code adapted from wxWidgets.

    Allows translation using BOINC's locale files without the need to link code with wxWidgets. See comments in files (translate.cpp and translate.h) for details.



(7.1.11 to 7.1.14 were unreleased or Android versions that went directly to the Google Play Store)


Available installers:

Windows 7.1.15
- boinc_7.1.15_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.1.15_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.1.15
- boinc_7.1.15_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.1.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7299) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request: suspend GPU tasks when fullscreen app is running (Message 49583)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check out the cc_config.xml option <exclusive_gpu_app>important.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>

This works under any platform.

A cc_config.xml like this:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
        <exclusive_app>BurnoutParadise.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>Crysis.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>Crysis2.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>Crysis3.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>DarkAthena.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>DarkAthena_Launcher.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>DOOM3.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>DOOM3DED.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>dxhr.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>dxhrml.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>EFLC.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>FarCry2.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>FUEL.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>GTAIV.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>hl2.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>iw3sp.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>iw4sp.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>iw5sp.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>LaunchEFLC.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>Launcher.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>LaunchGTAIV.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>nexus.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>nexus_DX9.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>NFS11.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>NFS13.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>oblivion.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>OFDR.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>OperationFlashpoint.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>RedRiver.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>RedRiverLauncher.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>skyrim4gb.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>SkyrimLauncher.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>SpecOpsTheLine.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_app>TESV.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>FEAR.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>farcry3.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>FarCry.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>Bioshock.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>Bioshock2.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>MOHDW.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>HitmanBloodMoney.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>Fallout3.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>HitmanContracts.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>hitman2.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>S2DNG.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>S2DNGEditor.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
        <exclusive_gpu_app>HMA.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>


The above is what's in MY cc_config.xml
For some of the games all of BOINC will suspend, for others I can continue to use my CPUs, but want my GPU to stop processing.
7300) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 49577)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The nibbles are in the right cabinet to the left of the mini bar.
Scent candles.... Musk?
7301) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 49574)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did I forget the candles?
7302) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 49572)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me dusts off the thread, washes its windows, does a spotless vacuum cleaning, refills the mini bar, adds coffee pads, tea bags, sugar & milk. All in readiness for the Tuesday-maintenance addicts.

Unlocks door.

7303) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 49564)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.67 available for testing for World Community Grid.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.66 --> 7.0.67:

  • WCG: Replace ico files with png so that alt-tab will display WCG logo properly on Windows XP.
  • WCG: Modify WCG installer to include new image file.
  • client: fix bug that could cause client to never contact project.

    If a project sends us <no_rsc_apps> flags for all processor types, then by default the client will never do a scheduler RPC to that project again. This could happen because of a transient condition in the project, e.g. it deprecates all its app versions for a while.

    To avoid this situation, the client now checks whether the no_rsc_apps flags are set for all processor types. If they are, it clears them all. This will cause work fetch to use backoff, and the client will occasionally contact the project.

  • Fix event log not being displayed on the same display as the manager.
  • client: fix build breaks.
  • Additional customization of WCG branding.
  • Manager and GUI RPC interface: fix possible buffer overruns.
    If the user typed an extremely long URL into the Attach to Account Manager wizard, a buffer overrun could result.
    There were several places in the code that assumed user-entered URLs are small (e.g. 256 chars):

    -> canonicalize_master_url.cpp()
    -> several GUI RPC interfaces, when generating XML request message
    -> URL-escaping (not relevant here, but fix anyway)

    Change all these to stay within buffers regardless of URL size.
    Note: do this by truncation.
    This will cause error messages like "can't connect to project" rather than saying the URL is too long. That's OK.

  • Fix more build breaks.
  • Change logo file for World Community Grid.
  • API: replace strcpy() with strlcpy() various places.
  • MGR: Fix bug which changed Network Activity Selection when user set GPU Activity mode.
  • client + MGR: change strcpy() to strlcpy() when possible.
  • client: fix compiler warning.
  • client: fix even more build breaks.
  • client: fix translation problem.
  • client: add <client_new_version_text> config option.
    Lets you customize the notice that's generated when a new client version is available.

  • client: if <client_new_version_text> present, don't link to BOINC web site.
  • Tweak WCG Icon files (VS 2005 does not understand how to use compressed PNG formats).



Available installers:
World Community Grid 7.0.67
- wcg_boinc_7.0.67_windows_intelx86.exe

7304) Message boards : Questions and problems : Only 1 NVIDIA GPU being used (Message 49563)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Copy this cc_config.xml file into Notepad and save it in your BOINC Data directory C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ as "All Files", named cc_config.xml, making sure (check visually) that Notepad didn't add a .txt extension. If it did, rename it so the only extension is .xml
Don't use a fancy text editor, don't use an XML editor, don't even use Wordpad, just Notepad. Notepad doesn't add extra characters that other editors do add.

Exit & restart BOINC to take effect.
<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

(For those wondering about the exit & restart, it's a GPU decision, which can still only be done at start-up time, so re-reading the config file won't help here.)

Driver Sweeper: http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4266-driver-sweeper.html
Read the "How to use?" on that page.
7305) Message boards : Questions and problems : "--fetch_minimal_work" really fetches 1 work unit per project .. expected? (Message 49556)
Posted 9 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration writes:
--fetch_minimal_work
Fetch only 1 job per device (CPU, GPU).


So yes, works at it should.
Before you ask, you have only 1 CPU. It may have 8 cores, but it's only one CPU, == 1 device.
7306) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49527)
Posted 7 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I dropped the Android change log thread, because there had been so many changes in the month or so that I didn't keep up with writing them down. Added to that, it's very difficult to look them up since Trac still doesn't have a search that works with Git. I just hope someone writes them to the BOINC Android testing group, or that they're stored elsewhere. (If there is some place else, let me know in PM, please).
7307) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49526)
Posted 7 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.10 available for testing for all platforms

Rom Walton wrote:
Dear alpha testers:

We have released a new version of BOINC (7.1.10) for testing.

This release includes, for the first time, a version for Android devices (phones, tables, ultrabooks). If you have such a device, please help us test BOINC on it.

We are distributing the Android version through the Google Play Store instead of the BOINC web site. To get the test version, you must first join a Google Group called "BOINC Android Testing". Instructions for doing this are here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AlphaInstructions#Installingtestsoftware

Currently only two listed projects (OProject and Asteroids@home) offer Android apps. You can also manually attach to the Einstein@home test project, ​http://albert.phys.uwm.edu/
This project provides images and icons that are shown in the Android GUI; the others do not.

In addition to Android support, 7.1.10 has the following changes:
* Fixed the translation issue where a project's total credit was not properly displayed in French. Please verify that you can see a project's total credit while the manager's language is configured for French, or any other language supported.
* When changing any of the activity options in the 'activity menu, sometimes the menu would display incorrect settings. After making a change, quickly bring up the activity menu and verify that the settings are correct.

Versions for the other platforms will be out in a day or two.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha and any bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.1.3 --> 7.1.10:

  • SS: Fix some minor potential bugs.
  • MGR: Fix translation problem.
  • MGR: Fix bug which changed Network Activity Selection when user set GPU Activity mode.
  • GridRepublic: Skin: Remove space between Grid and Republic (Grid Republic -> GridRepublic) per Matt Blumberg.
  • Mac installer: Prepare strings in mac installer and uninstaller for localization.
  • Mac installer: Specify utf-8 encoding for localization files.
  • client & MGR: change strcpy() to strlcpy() when possible.
  • Mac installer: Fix build breaks due to recent changes for strcpy -> strlcpy.
  • client: add <client_new_version_text> config option.
    Lets you customize the notice that's generated when a new client version is available.
  • SS: Fixes for dual-GPU Macbook Pros.

    -> Fix a crash bug.
    -> Don't run boincscr or project screensavers when on battery power because OpenGL apps trigger the use of the power-hungry discrete GPU.
    -> Fix some minor potential bugs.

  • MGR: Fix compilation issue on VS 2010 reported by Chanda Sarkar,
  • LOC: Update BOINC Manager localization template.
  • LOC: Remove references to SVN from update script.
  • LOC: Update various templates.
  • LOC: Add BOINC-Setup.po to the list of files that need to go through the pocompile process.
  • LOC: Update localization files based on the latest from BTS.
  • API: fix bug involving suspend and critical sections.

    Old: if the timer thread gets a <suspend> message while we're in a critical section, it sets a "suspend_request" flag.
    The timer then periodically (10X/sec) checks whether suspend_request is set and we're no longer in a critical section; if so it suspends the worker thread.

    Problem (pointed out by Oliver Bock): this doesn't work if the worker thread is almost always in a critical section (as is the case for GPU apps, which treat GPU kernels as critical sections). The app never gets suspended.

    New:
    1) boinc_end_critical_section() checks suspend_request; if set, it calls suspend_activities()
    2) On Unix, if suspend_activities() is called from the worker thread, it calls sleep() in a loop until the suspension is over. (Note: pthreads has no suspend/resume).
    3) Add a mutex to protect the data structures shared between the timer and worker threads.

  • API: tweaks to last commit.
  • client: if <client_new_version_text> present, don't link to BOINC web site.

(7.1.4, 7.1.5, 7.1.6, 7.1.7, 7.1.8 and 7.1.9 were unreleased or Android versions that went directly to the Google Play Store)

Available installers:

Macintosh 7.1.10
- boinc_7.1.10_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.1.10_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.1.10_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Windows 7.1.10
- boinc_7.1.10_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.1.10_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.1.10
- boinc_7.1.10_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.1.10_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7308) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49509)
Posted 5 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem at Einstein was a high load on the server due to filesystem problems. All fixed now.
7309) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49508)
Posted 4 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Einstein project seems to have a database or internet problem. Can't report work, the website and forums are half the time not available, and when they are, read quick as in 2 minutes time it'll be unresponsive again.

Edit: It was fixed about an hour and a half later.
7310) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks alternative BOINC manager (Message 49502)
Posted 3 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your thread is a magnet for new Arabic spammers. The one above was one. The one before that as well. All gone now. ;-)
7311) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot attach to Climateprediction.net (Message 49492)
Posted 3 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a problem with the new front page of CPDN, not so much with the client.
An already added CPDN can easily be contacted by the client:
6/3/2013 3:55:08 PM | climateprediction.net | update requested by user
6/3/2013 3:55:10 PM | climateprediction.net | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
6/3/2013 3:55:10 PM | climateprediction.net | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
6/3/2013 3:55:10 PM | climateprediction.net | Not requesting tasks: "no new tasks" requested via Manager
6/3/2013 3:55:10 PM | climateprediction.net | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
6/3/2013 3:55:10 PM | climateprediction.net | [sched_op] ATI work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
6/3/2013 3:55:12 PM | climateprediction.net | Scheduler request completed
6/3/2013 3:55:12 PM | climateprediction.net | [sched_op] Server version 611
6/3/2013 3:55:12 PM | climateprediction.net | Project requested delay of 3636 seconds
6/3/2013 3:55:12 PM | climateprediction.net | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 01:00:36
6/3/2013 3:55:12 PM | climateprediction.net | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project

So the scheduler works.
Meaning that the 'add to project URL' (http://climateprediction.net/ in the case of BOINC Manager Add Project Tool) may not be correct, or that the add-project logic on that web site is not correct. Seeing how http://climateprediction.net/ gets me to the new CPDN front page, I can only assume that the add-project logic is flawed.
7312) Message boards : Questions and problems : Delimit CPU usage with boinccmd (Message 49487)
Posted 3 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with using global_prefs_override.xml is that one will have to write it, and then make BOINC use it. You can have a global_prefs_override.xml file, but as far as I know, BOINC won't automatically use it, unless instructed through BOINC Manager->Read local prefs file.

Having said that, --read_global_prefs_override is an option in boinccmd.
Which then leaves the user to write a global_prefs_override.xml file, put it in the same directory as global_prefs.xml and make changes there.

And having said all that, I just changed <max_cpus/> from 2 to 3 in my global_prefs.xml file, then contacted Einstein and Seti, then checked my preferences there and saw that the value didn't change on the web-site. So then reloaded my data directory, opened global_prefs.xml again and see that the value is still 3. sched_reply.xml does not show revised global_prefs being sent to the client.
7313) Message boards : API : limitation number of jobs per physical CPU (Message 49485)
Posted 3 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
thanks, and I have read somewhere that there is a configuration that how much each task can used CPU time as I think,Is that true? for example if I want to adjust that each job utilize only 50% of each CPU time how can I do that?

Set it through a project's account->computing preferences->CPU time, or edit global_prefs.xml, value <cpu_usage_limit/>

And one more thing, Is it possible to set the ncpu at the run time?

When using <ncpus/> you need to exit & restart BOINC for it to use this value, so it's always used at the start of run time.

Apropos, see this thread for a discussion on what's used best, global_prefs.xml or global_prefs_override.xml
7314) Message boards : Questions and problems : Delimit CPU usage with boinccmd (Message 49484)
Posted 3 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you set that through a project's account->computing preferences. Or edit global_prefs.xml by hand, value <cpu_usage_limit/>
7315) Message boards : API : limitation number of jobs per physical CPU (Message 49475)
Posted 2 Jun 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use the <ncpus>N</ncpus> option in cc_config.xml
This emulates that you have more cores than you actually have. A value of <ncpus>4</ncpus> will run 4 tasks at a time, even on a 2 core CPU.

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration for more information about the cc_config.xml file and its options and flags.
7316) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation errors after overclocking CPU? (Message 49447)
Posted 31 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may want to ask that at Seti, as:
a) there people can check up on your system what the errors exactly are;
b) for what application the errors are.

BOINC is a managing program, it does not do any science, it does the scheduling and storing of the work. So any computation errors are done by the project applications. Not by BOINC.
7317) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc CentOS not running (Message 49434)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, you could try to install the missing libraries, but then you'll still run into the required GLIBC problem. See if http://centos.mirror.iweb.ca/ has the libraries for your distro.
7318) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49430)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.3 available for testing for All Platforms.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is a new version to test. This release contains the following fixes:
* Screensaver should no longer crash on Mac Book Pros (Mac).
Just setting the screensaver to BOINC on Mac Book Pros is enough to reproduce this issue. On older versions of BOINC it would crash during normal operation.

* Improvements to the CPU and GPU scheduler.
* Improvements to work fetch.
The work fetch and scheduler changes mostly involve situations where GPU exclusions are being used, and GPUs end up idle. If you use GPU exclusions (i.e. <exclude_gpu> elements in your cc_config.xml) please try different combinations and see if there are problems.

If the "no new tasks" option is turned off for a project and the client needs work, it should properly request work.

The client should no longer piggyback work requests for the following situations:
  * No New Work
  * Suspended
  * Stalled downloads
  * Stalled uploads

The client should no longer request work from a Non-Compute Intensive project when a task is in the middle of uploading its result files.

* New cc_config.xml option for limiting the number of messages kept in memory for the event log.
Add <max_event_log_lines>N</max_event_log_lines> in the cc_config.xml options section where N is the number of messages to keep in memory. Default is 2000. 0 means unlimited.

* Buffer overflow situation has been fixed in the manager and client and should no longer crash.
If a volunteer was tricked into using an excessively long URL for attaching to a project or account manager the manager would crash. The URL would have to be longer than 1024 bytes.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha. Please report bugs to the boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu email list.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.1.1 --> 7.1.2:

  • MGR: use "task" rather than "result" in text.
  • MGR: another text tweak.
  • Mac Installer: Fix a bug which could prevent creating Login Item if MacPorts is installed.
  • MGR: show project name in account-info page.
  • client: fix work-fetch bug that could starve a GPU if exclusions used.
  • client: trigger work fetch if user clears "no new tasks" for a project.
  • client: make "missing app" messages more consistent.
  • client: change "result suspended by user" to "task suspended by user" in Event Log.
  • client: change another "result" to "task" in Event Log.
  • client: fix bug that could cause client to never contact project.

    If a project sends us <no_rsc_apps> flags for all processor types, then by default the client will never do a scheduler RPC to that project again. This could happen because of a transient condition in the project, e.g. it deprecates all its app versions for a while.

    To avoid this situation, the client now checks whether the no_rsc_apps flags are set for all processor types. If they are, it clears them all. This will cause work fetch to use backoff, and the client will occasionally contact the project.

  • WCG: Replace ico files with png so that alt-tab will display WCG logo properly on Windows XP.
  • WCG: Modify WCG installer to include new image file.
  • client & MGR: add support for <max_event_log_lines>N</max_event_log_lines> in cc_config.xml
    Default is 2000. 0 means unlimited.

  • client: show app_config warnings only on startup and reread config.
  • client: add <client_new_version_text> config option. Lets you customize the notice that's generated when a new client version is available.
  • client: fix build break.
  • client: restore --detach and --detach_console cmdline args. These were mistakenly removed.
  • client: update notice feeds when detach from account manager.
  • client: don't piggyback work request if project is NNT or suspended.
  • client: don't piggyback work request in several situations
    namely:
    -> some download stalled.
    -> some task suspended.
    -> too many uploading tasks.

  • client: Remove Display Power Management query for idle detection until a new variant can be found.
  • client: don't ask an NCI project for work if current job still uploading.
    Note: we currently assume NCI projects have only 1 app. Removing this assumption would be a little work.

  • Fix event log not being displayed on the same display as the manager.
  • Additional customization of WCG branding.
  • Manager and GUI RPC interface: fix possible buffer overruns.
    If the user typed an extremely long URL into the Attach to Account Manager wizard, a buffer overrun could result.
    There were several places in the code that assumed user-entered URLs are small (e.g. 256 chars):

    -> canonicalize_master_url.cpp()
    -> several GUI RPC interfaces, when generating XML request message
    -> URL-escaping (not relevant here, but fix anyway)

    Change all these to stay within buffers regardless of URL size.
    Note: do this by truncation.
    This will cause error messages like "can't connect to project" rather than saying the URL is too long. That's OK.

  • boinccmd compile fixes.

Preliminary Change Log 7.1.2 --> 7.1.3:


  • client & MGR: when writing cc_config.xml, put <max_event_log_lines> in correct alphabetical order.
  • SS: Fixes for dual-GPU Macbook Pros.
    -> Fix a crash bug.
    -> Don't run boincscr or project screensavers when on battery power because OpenGL apps trigger the use of the power-hungry discrete GPU.

  • client: reintroduce xidletime code to detect idle time on Linux. Include reference to source site and authors.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.1.3
- boinc_7.1.3_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.1.3_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.1.3_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Windows 7.1.3
- boinc_7.1.3_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.1.3_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.1.3
- boinc_7.1.3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.1.3_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7319) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.1.1 manager seti 7.7 opencl-ati running out of order (Message 49428)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
A couple of issues with your post.

a) It's not a BOINC Manager problem, as it's not BOINC Manager that dictates what runs when, but the client that does so. BOINC manager is just a graphical user interface that shows output of what the client does and makes it easier for you to control the client.

b) BOINC 7.1.1 is a development client. Not even a release candidate development client, but an alpha client. Any problems you have with it, I prefer you post it directly to the developers, who can be reached on the appropriate Alpha email list. Please read the disclaimer as to why I prefer you post directly to the alpha email list, before you yell at me and angrily stomp off. The recommended (non-alpha, non-development) client can be downloaded from here.

c) Evidence. It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

In this case, add a log of a couple of minutes of <cpu_sched_debug> and one of <rr_simulation>

d) Seti v7 (not 7.7) has only been released yesterday. It uses brand new applications and work. All the before-known variables about how long work used to do on v6 went out of the window, BOINC has to learn anew how long tasks take for v7. Allow it the ability to learn.

e) But even then, BOINC has always worked on a first in, first out basis. It doesn't look so much to do work based on its deadline, it tries to do all work before the deadline. Therefore work with an earlier deadline can easily be done at a later date than work with a later deadline. This has not changed in 7.1.1
7320) Message boards : Server programs : 10 tasks ready to be sent but wont send even though boinc client is attached to project (Message 49419)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's probably quicker if you post your questions to the boinc_projects email list. That way other project administrators and the developers can answer you.

You can still reference this thread, if need be.
7321) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc failing with each restart of computer (Message 49418)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you post your Windows Event Viewer error of one of these crashes, please?
Also, anything in the stderrdae.txt in the BOINC Data directory (Will be hidden, c:/programdata/boinc/)?
7322) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed Boinc on debian but can't use (Message 49417)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And now that the developers have come back to me, there's plenty more questions. They say that, yes, the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file does contain a password, that it's generated by BOINC at first start-up, that it's a 32 character random password, that it's unique for each user and that if the users wanted to change it, he can do so (with BOINC not running).

Nothing we didn't know before. But for that there's no answer as to why (some) Linux don't use this password then. Rob, do you use Berkeley BOINC, or repository BOINC? And it's Ubuntu, you say? Which version?
7323) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 49414)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti forums are back up.
7324) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed Boinc on debian but can't use (Message 49407)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Explain to me why I've never been able to run the BM when there is a password in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg [think I'm repeating]. Remove the password again by editing the file, restart BOINC and the BM connects without a wrong password warning.

Would be nice if you cut the quote down to the part where you answer, but alas.

But to answer you, uhm, I cannot explain it. Until you said something about it in a previous post, I didn't even know that you needed to do that. I suppose it works differently on Linux. That's why I put it in front of the developers. Who haven't come back to me yet.
7325) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 49404)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wasn't it this Wednesday that Seti v7 was rolled out? It's probably to do with that.
7326) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49400)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.2 available for testing for Windows.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.1.1 --> 7.1.2:

  • MGR: use "task" rather than "result" in text.
  • MGR: another text tweak.
  • Mac Installer: Fix a bug which could prevent creating Login Item if MacPorts is installed.
  • MGR: show project name in account-info page.
  • client: fix work-fetch bug that could starve a GPU if exclusions used.
  • client: trigger work fetch if user clears "no new tasks" for a project.
  • client: make "missing app" messages more consistent.
  • client: change "result suspended by user" to "task suspended by user" in Event Log.
  • client: change another "result" to "task" in Event Log.
  • client: fix bug that could cause client to never contact project.

    If a project sends us <no_rsc_apps> flags for all processor types, then by default the client will never do a scheduler RPC to that project again. This could happen because of a transient condition in the project, e.g. it deprecates all its app versions for a while.

    To avoid this situation, the client now checks whether the no_rsc_apps flags are set for all processor types. If they are, it clears them all. This will cause work fetch to use backoff, and the client will occasionally contact the project.

  • WCG: Replace ico files with png so that alt-tab will display WCG logo properly on Windows XP.
  • WCG: Modify WCG installer to include new image file.
  • client & MGR: add support for <max_event_log_lines>N</max_event_log_lines> in cc_config.xml
    Default is 2000. 0 means unlimited.

  • client: show app_config warnings only on startup and reread config.
  • client: add <client_new_version_text> config option. Lets you customize the notice that's generated when a new client version is available.
  • client: fix build break.
  • client: restore --detach and --detach_console cmdline args. These were mistakenly removed.
  • client: update notice feeds when detach from account manager.
  • client: don't piggyback work request if project is NNT or suspended.
  • client: don't piggyback work request in several situations
    namely:
    -> some download stalled.
    -> some task suspended.
    -> too many uploading tasks.

  • client: Remove Display Power Management query for idle detection until a new variant can be found.
  • client: don't ask an NCI project for work if current job still uploading.
    Note: we currently assume NCI projects have only 1 app. Removing this assumption would be a little work.

  • Fix event log not being displayed on the same display as the manager.
  • Additional customization of WCG branding.
  • Manager and GUI RPC interface: fix possible buffer overruns.
    If the user typed an extremely long URL into the Attach to Account Manager wizard, a buffer overrun could result.
    There were several places in the code that assumed user-entered URLs are small (e.g. 256 chars):

    -> canonicalize_master_url.cpp()
    -> several GUI RPC interfaces, when generating XML request message
    -> URL-escaping (not relevant here, but fix anyway)

    Change all these to stay within buffers regardless of URL size.
    Note: do this by truncation.
    This will cause error messages like "can't connect to project" rather than saying the URL is too long. That's OK.

  • boinccmd compile fixes.


Available installers:

Windows 7.1.2
- boinc_7.1.2_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.1.2_windows_x86_64.exe

7327) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Request: adjustable text size (Message 49399)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
7328) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed Boinc on debian but can't use (Message 49396)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, when you do, make sure to compile the client_release/7/7.0b branch, not Master.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCodeGit and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient should be of help.
7329) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed Boinc on debian but can't use (Message 49394)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The "gui_rpc_auth.cfg" is empty, it seems this file should contains password? I put a string in it and run "boinccmd --host localhost --passwd <string I put in> --get_state" this time I get "Authorization failure: -102"

I'm not too sure anymore if there needs to be something in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file for Linux. Will have to ask the developers about that, but I also need to stress that this is done by the package maintainers. You're not running Berkeley BOINC, but a BOINC compiled by the package maintainer of Debian.

I don't say I don't want to help you, or can't help you (even though my knowledge of Linux is limited, I must admit), but you best ask the Debian package maintainers as well. If you can, of course.

Also I can use "boinc --no_gui_rpc" to start boinc.

Port 31416 is not in use, "lsof -i:31416" returns empty.

Hold on, did you do the lsof command after running boinc --no_gui_rpc? As then it's normal that port 31416 isn't used. You just told BOINC to not use the GUI RPC port.

This GUI RPC port is used by BOINC to communicate between its parts. Not just between boinc and boincmgr, but also between boinc and boinccmd. So, can you run boinccmd after you did boinc --no_gui_rpc?
7330) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed Boinc on debian but can't use (Message 49392)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's in gui_rpc_auth.cfg? There's been reports on other distros that this file is non-existent or when it exists that it's empty.

What happens when you start boinc-client --no_gui_rpc (or boinc --no_gui_rpc) and then do boinccmd?

Is anything else using port 31416?
See what the outcome is of:
lsof -i:31416
7331) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed Boinc on debian but can't use (Message 49390)
Posted 29 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC error code -102 means that you don't seem to have permission to read from or write to the BOINC data directory. Check permissions.
BOINC error code -180 means that the GUI RPC bind failed. Can also have to do with lack of permissions.
7332) Message boards : Questions and problems : bonic not connecting to host (Message 49386)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Were you running a 32bit BOINC before, or a 64bit BOINC? They install to different program files directories.

By the way, the program name is BOINC, not BONIC.

I was already writing a how-to to add BOINC to the exclusion zone of Windows firewall. It's not completed yet, but it shows how to add stuff.

Start->Control Panel->System and Security->Windows Firewall->Allow a program or feature through Windows firewall.

Check if BOINC Manager is in the list, then click it, click Details. Check that the path is the correct one to the directory you run this BOINC from.
Check if BOINC Client is in the list, then click it, click Details. Check that the path is the correct one to the directory you run this BOINC from.
Check if boinc.exe is in the list, then click it, click Details. Check that the path is the correct one to the directory you run this BOINC from.
Check if boincmgr.exe is in the list, then click it, click Details. Check that the path is the correct one to the directory you run this BOINC from.

32bit BOINC installs to C:\Program Files (X86)\BOINC\, while 64bit BOINC installs to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ .. the 32bit BOINC cannot install to and run from C:\Program Files\, and 64bit BOINC cannot install to and run from C:\Program Files (X86)\ as Windows actively protects these directories and does not allow programs of the wrong bit-depth to be installed in teh 'wrong' directories.

If the path to either is wrong, click Change settings->Allow another program. Another window will open (this can take some time, be patient, even when Windows appears to have hung this window), click Browse and go to either of the BOINC Program directories as I showed above, then choose the boinc.exe or boincmgr.exe there.

Now then, check marks. boinc.exe or BOINC Client needs to be in the list twice, once checked at Private, once checked at Public. boincmgr.exe or BOINC Manager needs to be in the list only once, checked at Private.

7333) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc on fedora 18 (Message 49385)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume it'll be in the boinc-client.service script. If this is a script.
7334) Message boards : Questions and problems : bonic not connecting to host (Message 49382)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you allow BOINC its parts through the firewall? Don't disable the firewall, just add boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe to the exclusion zone.

7335) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc on fedora 18 (Message 49377)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
given the output parm --allow_multiple_clients, I'd figure that if port 31416 is already committed to one client, an additional would need another port. A wide swerve-ball guess.

Sorry, but I do not understand what you talking about:(

In your 3rd log in your first post, it says:
Main PID: 7609 (boinc)
CGroup: name=systemd:/system/boinc-client.service
├─7609 /bin/bash /usr/bin/boinc --dir /var/lib/boinc
└─7610 /usr/bin/boinc_client --allow_multiple_clients --dir /var/lib/boinc

See the --allow_multiple_clients attribute? That's what Rob was pointing out.

The client and the manager connect to each other through RPC on TCP port 31416. Only one client and one manager can use this port at the same time. As soon as you start a second client, it needs a separate port, e.g. 31417, and any manager connecting to it will need to use that port as well. Any further next client and manager combo will need a new port number.

When you run two or more clients, you can run into all kinds of weirdness. Including the closing of the client(s) for no apparent reason.

So check what is asking for the running of multiple clients and try to remove that attribute. See if things will run as is then. And then complain about this to the Fedora package maintainer.
7336) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 49375)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
exit
7337) Message boards : Questions and problems : Fedora 18 install (Message 49374)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I used "yum install boinc-client boinc-manager" to install BOINC.

That's repositories then. And those are maintained by someone else, not by us.
But glad you got it running, even without my help. :)
7338) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 49370)
Posted 27 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.66 available for testing for World Community Grid.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.65 --> 7.0.66:

  • Mac: update build instructions for GIT instead of SVN.
  • MGR: Immediately update Simple View default project icon, window icon and window title when switching skin.
  • Fix issue with not uninstalling previous version of World Community Grid. Use WCG icon for add/remove programs.
  • Minor change in application name.
  • Set files to 'always overwrite' so that in the future, version downgrades will not encounter issues with some files not installling properly.
  • Modify the behavior of the blinking box around the notices button in the simple view. The color of the blinking box will be Red by default but can be overriden by a tag <notices_alert_color> in a skin.xml file.
  • Modify how the event log is displayed on the screen for Windows. Make sure that the event log window will fit on the screen and will be shown entirely on screen.
  • Change text for suspend button in simple view to say suspend client.
  • Modify the way we place an oversized or off screen message dialogue onto the screen. This simply moves it fully onto the screen rather than centering it.
  • Change text on suspend button in simple view back to simply "Suspend" or "Resume".
  • Replace ico files with png so that alt-tab will display WCG logo properly on Windows XP.
  • Modify WCG installer to include new image file.



Available installers:
World Community Grid 7.0.66
- wcg_boinc_7.0.66_windows_intelx86.exe

7339) Message boards : Questions and problems : Fedora 18 install (Message 49365)
Posted 27 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Obviously, BOINC runs from another directory then. There's plenty of ways to search for a program in Linux, whereis, locate, find, what do any of them return?

Have you looked in /home/boinc/, just in case?
You don't say where you got BOINC from, Fedora repos or Berkeley, but both install to different directories.
7340) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc not Stopping when computer in Use (Message 49359)
Posted 26 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
5/26/2013 11:29:29 AM | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy
5/26/2013 11:29:49 AM | | Resuming computation
5/26/2013 11:46:39 AM | | Suspending computation - computer is in use
5/26/2013 11:46:39 AM | | Suspending network activity - computer is in use

The above messages show you that BOINC is stopping when the computer is in use by something else non-BOINC (the CPU is busy message), or when you want to use the computer (the computer is in use messages).

That the science application(s) do not stop is NOT a BOINC problem, but a project problem. So you really have to go find a thread at Seti about the same problem and complain in there. There are a couple over there, one in the Windows and one in the GPU forum, and it's all about the Astropulse application not stopping when BOINC tells it to.

So, out of our hands.
7341) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu: BOINC takes 100% processor time ALL the time (Message 49357)
Posted 26 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is killing me on Windows XP 32-bit with a quad core processor and 4 GB RAM.

The problem here is about Linux idle detection not working, not the one in Windows not working. It is working in Windows 7, I've got it working here without problems, even on the present alpha 7.1.1

If you do not have anything working, you will have to tell us in detail what your problem is, what you have done to remedy it thus far, how come you see it as a problem etc. (Which I see you've done, piggy-backing onto an old thread)
7342) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem on Linux (Message 49356)
Posted 26 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
boinc-manager is just a GUI, the boinc-client does all the scheduling and arranging. As long as you have that running, the projects will run their work. You can also tell boinc-client what to do with the BOINCCMD tool, if need be.

But otherwise, when the RPC bind is failing, make sure you didn't inadvertently try to start boinc-client or boinc-manager twice. The value 98 means that the port is already in use by something else.

See what this does:
lsof -i:31416
7343) Message boards : Server programs : 10 tasks ready to be sent but wont send even though boinc client is attached to project (Message 49339)
Posted 26 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Back in the day, BOINC used the http_post_fields function. A POST request from the server can be blocked by a firewall, which then results in the aforementioned error. But these days it uses gethostbyname(), which can still be blocked by NAT in a firewall or router and results in the aforementioned error.
7344) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU suspended - computer is in use [NOT] (Message 49338)
Posted 26 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rob meant Activity menu->GPU run always, which is the way to set it. Not through Tools->Computing Preferences->Only after computer has been idle for X minutes. The option here to use GPU (always) is to check "Use GPU while computer is in use".
7345) Message boards : Questions and problems : not updating to 7.0.64 (Message 49325)
Posted 25 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When in doubt, try throwing the error code into a search engine. It's what I do.
The error you get is NOT a BOINC error, but a Windows Installer error.

See http://www.okino.com/conv/changing_windows_registry_permissions.htm for a fix.
7346) Message boards : BOINC client : GPU Numbering on ATI 5970 (Message 49320)
Posted 25 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
SIV says there way of giving numbers to the GPU's are correct.

Well, when the developer for that application says his way is the only correct way, then that must be it. Case solved. Why bother to ask?

But here's the thing, SIV can use an OS specific API to do all the hard work of polling the videocard for it, whereas BOINC needs to be showing the same numbers when compiled on Windows, Linux, FreeBSD or OSX, and where applicable and supported. It cannot rely on an OS specific API. It will also have the detect Nvidia GPUs, AMD GPUs and Intel GPUs and put them in a certain order, these being 1 - compute capability, 2 - software version, 3 - available memory and 4 - speed.

Only after those 4 have been ascertained, will BOINC give out numbers for GPUs and show that in the start-up messages. And they'll be the same numbers whether you run Windows, Linux, OSX or FreeBSD. Easy, huh? :-)
7347) Message boards : Server programs : 10 tasks ready to be sent but wont send even though boinc client is attached to project (Message 49314)
Posted 25 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
25/05/2013 10:25:22 PM | cplan | Scheduler request failed: Couldn't resolve host name

This one means that the client couldn't connect to the server, possibly due to BOINC not being allowed through the firewall. BOINC (boinc.exe specifically) needs internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443.

25/05/2013 10:32:59 PM | cplan | Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable

This is the standard HTTP error 503: return "HTTP service unavailable";

The server is currently unable to handle the HTTP request due to a temporary overloading or maintenance of the server. The implication is that this is a temporary condition which will be alleviated after some delay. Some servers in this state may also simply refuse the socket connection, in which case a different error may be generated because the socket creation timed out.


Are the client and the server on separate computers?
Or are you running the BOINC server from the same computer, but in a VirtualBox VM?
7348) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC credit system (Message 49302)
Posted 24 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's in use at Seti@Home. None of the other projects have thus far adopted it, as far as I know.
7349) Message boards : The Lounge : For those with too much time on their hands... (Message 49298)
Posted 24 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try http://gizmodo.com/this-incredible-full-scale-lego-x-wing-is-the-largest-m-509484787
7350) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing offline (Message 49297)
Posted 24 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great. Will I have to un-suspend communication when I go online again and hit "update"?

Yes.

Also, It looks like I submitted this thread twice. Can you delete the duplicate thread?

Already done.
7351) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing offline (Message 49295)
Posted 24 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as you told it that the internet connection is now not available, there should not be a problem with this setup. Activity->Network activity suspended.
7352) Message boards : Questions and problems : What can I do with my Credits? What is thier purpose? (Message 49292)
Posted 24 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Credits are used by the projects to pay you in reply to you volunteering your computer to them. They have no value, you can only use them to compare how well your computer does against other computers.

Apropos, we're NOT the Seti forums. Those can be found at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_community.php
7353) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects Keep Disconecting Since Update (Message 49286)
Posted 24 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The following projects do not detach themselves.
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | ABC@home | URL http://abcathome.com/; Computer ID 249316; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Asteroids@home | URL http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/; Computer ID 8792; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | rosetta@home | URL http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 1616874; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | DistrRTgen | URL http://boinc.freerainbowtables.com/distrrtgen/; Computer ID 74186; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Poem@Home | URL http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/; Computer ID 162259; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Leiden Classical | URL http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/; Computer ID 109460; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Collatz Conjecture | URL http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/; Computer ID 127847; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | fightmalaria@home | URL http://boinc.ucd.ie/fmah/; Computer ID 18858; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | climateprediction.net | URL http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID 1283888; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 7313100; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | eon2 | URL http://eon.ices.utexas.edu/eon2/; Computer ID 40931; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | NFS@Home | URL http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/; Computer ID 33126; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Test4Theory@Home | URL http://lhcathome2.cern.ch/test4theory/; Computer ID 60359; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | LHC@home 1.0 | URL http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/; Computer ID 10289135; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Milkyway@Home | URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 482364; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Moo! Wrapper | URL http://moowrap.net/; Computer ID 18436; resource share 100


The following projects do seem to detach themselves. Or at least start up without computer ID.
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | Cosmology@Home | URL http://www.cosmologyathome.org/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | malariacontrol.net | URL http://www.malariacontrol.net/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | PrimeGrid | URL http://www.primegrid.com/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100
5/23/2013 8:06:27 PM | World Community Grid | URL http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID not assigned yet; resource share 100


Sounds to me like a corruption of the hard drive. That you're missing some account_*.xml files. Or that something or someone is removing these files.
Have you done a full check of the hard drive?

Start->All Programs->Accessories->Right-click Command Prompt->Run as administrator->Acknowledge->then type:
chkdsk /f /r /x

and hit Enter. Next, reboot the system and when check disk begins, let it continue and finish the check! This may take several minutes if not hours, depending on the size of the hard drive, and the amount of problems on it. Do NOT reboot the system while it's checking the drive, this could make things worse!

/f will fix errors on the disk.
/r will locate bad sectors and recovers readable information.
/x will force the disk volume to dismount first.
7354) Message boards : BOINC client : BM .64 cc_config.xml changed... (Message 49278)
Posted 23 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The added lines won't change, and it doesn't make the use of BOINC any slower. So there's really no need to rewrite the file. It's easy as well for if you ever just want to enable any debug lines, then you only have to change a zero for a one, not have to figure out how to spell words and make sure the lines have the correct end tags or not.

Plus as soon as you add a file again through the exclusive apps option, they'll all be back.
7355) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update to 7.0.64: Now no access as user - says wrong password (Message 49274)
Posted 23 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mitglieder means Members, Rom.

Edit: The members show underneath the line, like so:
P:\BOINCProgram\BOINC>net localgroup boinc_users
Alias name     boinc_users
Comment        Accounts in this group can monitor the BOINC client.

Members

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BOINC
Iedereen
The command completed successfully.
7356) Message boards : Questions and problems : Won't start minimized (Message 49272)
Posted 23 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. How many times did you try this?
2. What kind of Windows (I presume?)?
3. Fully updated Windows?
4. What happens when you first time tell BOINC to the system tray and then do a reboot?
5. Any duplicate BOINC Managers starting from other places (Startup, elsewhere)?
6. When "it had started up, no tasks were visible", did you see it actually show "connected to localhost" or "connected to {IP address}" in the lower right corner?
7. Was this the same bit-depth as the previous version, aka 32bit->32bit or 64bit->64bit, or did you change bit-depth between clients? In that case, did you instruct your firewall to let these parts of BOINC through again?
7357) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC crashes Win 7 after install of NVidia drivers (Message 49271)
Posted 23 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You omit telling us:
1. Windows 7 is completely updated?
2. Which BOINC version are you talking about?
2a. Can you please post the first 20 to 30 lines of the BOINC start up messages? CTRL+SHIFT+E to the Event Log on BOINC 7.0
3. Which drivers are you talking about? Version numbers, please.
4. Are these drivers from Nvidia or Windows or elsewhere?
5. What brand and model videocard do you actually have?
6. What kind of system do you have?
6a. CPU, amount of RAM, motherboard make and model, PSU size and brand, amount of fans, other cooling sorts?
7. What is crashing and rebooting?
7a. Do you have logs of the crash, a dump file, any information from Windows Event Viewer about the crash and possible subsequent reboot?
7b. Any error numbers, or error messages? What's it say in stderrdae.txt in the BOINC data directory?

I could give you 10 more questions, but all this is information that you should've given us to begin with. I shouldn't have to ask you for it.
7358) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver disable (Message 49269)
Posted 23 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The option to use, or not use, a screensaver has been present in the BOINC installer program for each version as far back as I can remember.

Yup.
 BOINC 5                                                           BOINC 6                                                          BOINC 7


7359) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc hasnt been running (E@Home) (Message 49261)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's this E@Home?
Enigma?
Einstein?
EDGeS?
eOn?
Something else?
7360) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC on Puppy Linux 5.2 (Message 49252)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, what happens when you use localhost as computer and that hex string as password?

You can also try to delete the gui_rpc_auth.cfg and start the client. This file should be made anew with a random password in it.
You can also edit the file, delete the random hex password and add your own. When you do, do NOT add a Enter at the end.
7361) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC on Puppy Linux 5.2 (Message 49249)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, please do not call that the server, as there really is a BOINC server, which is used by the projects that use BOINC. It's a whole different kettle of fish and has nothing to do with the BOINC client.

So, you have trouble connecting the manager to the client. Does that distro have firewall software? If so, please make sure it allows boinc-client and boinc-manager to connect to each other on TCP port 31416. Separately, boinc-client needs access to the internet on TCP port 80 and 443.

Before you run boinc-manager, you need to have started boinc-client beforehand (just telling, I know you said already, it's just reiteration.)
Do both start from the same directory?
Do you have permission to run (all) binaries from that directory?
What happens when you start boinc-manager, then in advanced view click Advanced->Select computer->leave both boxes empty and clickOK?
What happens when you type in 'localhost' as computer (without the quotes), leave the password blank and click OK?
Is there anything in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in the data directory?
7362) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC on Puppy Linux 5.2 (Message 49247)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager is the GUI for the BOINC client, not for the BOINC server.
What exactly are you trying to do, with regards to the BOINC server?
7363) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects Keep Disconecting Since Update (Message 49246)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Were you using an account manager such as GridRepublic or BAM! before? As it sounds like that. Also, normally when you upgrade BOINC you don't have to redo anything, it'll use the same data directory as the previous version.

Could you post the first 20-30 lines from Event Log, please? CTRL+SHIFT+E to get there.
7364) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update to 7.0.64: Now no access as user - says wrong password (Message 49245)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And post the output!

You can either copy the output from the command line box, by right-clicking on it and selecting Mark, then use the cursor keys to go up/down/left/right to the text, and while holding SHIFT, to select the text, then press Enter to copy the text to clipboard, before posting it in an answer here (right-click -> Paste, or CTRL + V).

Or you can make the command line post the output to a text file, which you can then open with Notepad.
To do so, do the following:

cacls . > c:\temp\cacls-output.txt

and
net localgroup boinc_admins > c:\temp\boinc-admins.txt

and
net localgroup boinc_users > c:\temp\boinc-users.txt


These commands can be done from a command line, or from the Run-menu.
7365) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 49244)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And post the output!

You can either copy the output from the command line box, by right-clicking on it and selecting Mark, then use the cursor keys to go up/down/left/right to the text, and while holding SHIFT, to select the text, then press Enter to copy the text to clipboard, before posting it in an answer here (right-click -> Paste, or CTRL + V).

Or you can make the command line post the output to a text file, which you can then open with Notepad.
To do so, do the following:

cacls . > c:\temp\cacls-output.txt

and
net localgroup boinc_admins > c:\temp\boinc-admins.txt

and
net localgroup boinc_users > c:\temp\boinc-users.txt


These commands can be done from a command line, or from the Run-menu.
7366) Message boards : Projects : LHC sixtrack - no work? (Message 49237)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're working on changing the work fetch logic and it will probably be backported to the 7.0.x version once it's debuged.

No, it won't. The new work fetch logic is part of the new 7.2 client, for which the 7.1 range is going to be the alpha/beta/development range (whatever you want to call it).

It was specifically taken out of the 7.0.64/65 release because it needs intensive testing. The present 7.0 range is done, it'll only receive a couple more updates for bugs that were found and fixed. Not for completely new additions.
7367) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update to 7.0.64: Now no access as user - says wrong password (Message 49221)
Posted 20 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, there is one question: How did you add your user to the boinc-user group?
I have no idea where to do this. Clearly as the admin but how?

See this BOINC FAQ that shows the use of the net localgroup command via the command line.
7368) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49220)
Posted 20 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
I'll fix this problem the next time I revise the job scheduling logic (should be in 2-3 months)

Not the answer you wanted, but it's being worked on nonetheless.
7369) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU not running, misplaced in BOINCTasks thread. (Message 49217)
Posted 20 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, original thread cleaned out as requested by Fred. Any posts that belong in the original thread, please let me know.

Oh and excuse me for the large amount of PMs one both of you will have. I wonder why we can't turn that off...
7370) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49216)
Posted 19 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, the Drugdiscovery forums are back up. The front page will stay off line. Oh and we're no longer recognized as an attack site, yay!
7371) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc failing with each restart of computer (Message 49200)
Posted 18 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't answer you in the other thread (where I've now hidden your post), because I am waiting for the developers to come back to me with answers on what might be causing this. Perhaps the missing manifest.

But in the mean time:
Are you running BOINC under a non-administrator account?
Do you have any Microsoft Visual Studio installed?
Or Microsoft Office?
Or Microsoft SQL?
Have you checked that msvcr80.dll is in C:\Windows\system32 and that it's the correct version? Not that it's been replaced by a malware version?
Is some anti-malware software on your system blocking access to C:\Windows\system32 and any file therein, or is it removing msvcr80.dll?

Can you please send me one of the (mini-)dump files of this (check C:\localdumps and c:\windows\minidump)?
Can you zip some of them up and provide them through a Skydrive or https://www.transferbigfiles.com/ ??
7372) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu: BOINC takes 100% processor time ALL the time (Message 49199)
Posted 18 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No. it's not. It's already been reported to the developers that the idle tracking has broken again. On various distros including Ubuntu.
7373) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 49193)
Posted 18 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Finally managed to get the Drugdiscoveryathome front page off line, with help of Jack Shultz, as it was running on his server. Apparently, the whole shebang of problems started just after the hosting company that the DNS servers run on was merged with another hosting company.

I'll try to get things running from another server, or maybe another hosting company. The data server has no problem and is at another hosting company. I'll keep it down until I know what the site owner wants to do with the front page, though.
7374) Message boards : Questions and problems : Proposing BOINC to school (Message 49192)
Posted 18 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VirtualCampusSupercomputerCenter and the links therein.
7375) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC causes random freezing of OS (Message 49191)
Posted 18 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Only when it crashes, sometimes get a computation error

Example? If possible, provide a link to the stderr of the result.

Yes with BSOD?, usually point to hardware issues.

What do they say? Examples?

Mini-dumps...LOADS...

Can you zip some of them up and provide them through a Skydrive or https://www.transferbigfiles.com/ ??

Heat? - NO. I'll apply additional cooling

Meaning what? You didn't have that yet and are now doing it, or you were already doing that?
When you check with something like Core Temp, what's the maximum temperature the cores get, when idle and when under load?

Updated Bios, tried several versions of Boinc, now trying the newly released 7.1.1

Unless you are an alpha tester, do not use development versions. They will be buggy and give additional reason to crashing. Only test development versions on a stable system. The whole 7.1 range will be development versions. Part of the 7.2 range will also be development versions. Just do not use them.

And then it's not BOINC that causes the crashes, but the science applications, as these do the calculations that cause the stress on the CPU/GPU, and thus the heat, memory use and all I/O operations. So just stick with one BOINC, which for the moment is 7.0.64, the latest recommended one.
7376) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.64 not playing nicely with limited accounts (Message 49183)
Posted 18 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably the problem with the missing manifest. Will be fixed in a future version of BOINC, as per changeset 24e46ae: WIN: Reintroduce the application manifest for the core client. If BOINC was launched from an unprivileged (non-admin/not part of boinc_users/boinc_admin) attempts to write state files were re-directed to the VirtualStore instead of failing. Once things were fixed other random issues would occur.
7377) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac PPC has had no new tasks for over 2 weeks now. (Message 49180)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see you asked the same at World Community grid, which was the first place to ask since they're the project you run.
7378) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49179)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shouldn't BOINC try to put that free processor to good use or does the fact that the RNA WU is impeding it?

According to the developers, it should be used for another task.

Flagging your thread for David again.
7379) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc on CentOS 6.4 64bits (Message 49177)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can install, what is it, 6.10.45? That's the version that's available from its repositories.

Otherwise you can try to build BOINC against the libraries that are on the system. Or build newer libraries for CentOS so that the newer BOINC can run with those libraries.

Lastly, there's the VM option. Run a different Linux in a VM, run BOINC in that.
7380) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49176)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
More details about 7.1.1:

1) The work fetch and scheduler changes mostly involve situations where GPU exclusions are being used, and GPUs end up idle. If you use GPU exclusions (i.e. <exclude_gpu> elements in your cc_config.xml) please try different combinations and see if there are problems.

2) The event log now shows only the last 2000 messages. In 7.1.2 you'll be able to change or remove this limit. In the meantime, all messages are in stdoutdae.txt.

3) Checking images in Notices: AFAIK no projects currently have notices containing images. To test this, you can temporarily add the following as an account manager: http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/cplan/
Use anything as an email/password; these aren't used, and no projects will be added. However, you'll get a bunch of notices containing images, namely the Google RSS feed of sports-related news.
7381) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC causes random freezing of OS (Message 49175)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
the pc crashes regularly

BOINC with one or more projects attached is a good stress-test and burn-in tool. Any PC not being able to withstand the force is just not a stable PC to begin with.

Which projects are you running?
Any errors in these projects?
Any (Windows) error messages when it crashes?
Blue screens? What do they say?
Have you got (mini-)(memory-)dumps (check C:\localdumps and c:\windows\minidump)?
Have you tested your memory, with either Windows its memory test or memtest86+?
Are you checking for heat? The FX series are quite a hot series by themselves, they require good cooling.
Are you all up-to-date with BIOS updates and (motherboard chipset)driver updates?
7382) Message boards : Projects : Rosetta not to reach (Message 49173)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, looks like they've got a problem.
7383) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU not running, misplaced in BOINCTasks thread. (Message 49171)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
By continuously stating that BOINCTasks was causing the GPUs not to do work, or doing other command decisions, you imply that BOINCStats is a program made by Berkeley, is part of BOINC and is the whole culprit of the problems you see... while it isn't, it's the BOINC client that does so and is.

That has nothing to do with putting words in anyone's mouth (which I still haven't done, not even in the sentence that you quote. Please go reread what I wrote), but all to do with a combination of barking and wrong tree.

Apropos, as per your I don't want or see the need to run 7.0.64 yet, since there are no native apps outside of Beta, 7.0.64 is the recommended BOINC client for Windows, 7.0.65 is recommended for Linux and Macintosh.

BOINC 7 has nothing to do with Seti v7. Seti v7 will eventually come out of beta, and then it'll be able to run on any BOINC client that's used out there, from 4.19 through to 7.x.x (whichever it is that's recommended then or being tested).

Seti is a project, just as Einstein, World Community Grid, GPUGrid, Primegrid, Malariacontrol.net, Climateprediction.net etc. are. The science application version numbering has nothing to do with the BOINC version being used. Please make sure you understand the distinction.

I've asked other moderators to take over in this thread. I'm stepping out of here, not going to be further drawn into a fight.
7384) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 49169)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set in Malaria project preferences which applications you want to run.
Or set a very low minimum cache and minimum additional. Zero and zero will get you 1 task per CPU core.
7385) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU not running, misplaced in BOINCTasks thread. (Message 49168)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did not put words in your mouth, instead am trying to explain to you something about the working of BOINC versus BOINC Manager versus BOINC Tasks. You on the other hand should start to read what Fred is trying to tell you.

You said here: Something is going on Fred, Tonight I may shut down BoincTasks 1.47 and use BoincManager 6.10.58 instead... Cause I don't like the idea of the gpu stopping work... When the gpu has plenty of work on hand and yet forgets that it has any...

Fred answered here: You lost me, BoincTasks does nothing, just shows you what's going on. The BOINC client is the one that does all the work, like running GPU tasks.

You said here: Look there was no lack of work on the hdd, the cpu kept doing work, just the gpu stopped doing work cause BT thought there was none to be done... Capice?

Fred answered here: BoincTasks only does something when you tell it to, not by itself.

You said here: if I see a problem ok, if I do not see a problem like where no gpu tasks are being worked on and such, yet there was evidence of a full cache of gpu work, like happened under BT 1.47, then what Fred?

Fred answered here: And as I said the problem isn't BoincTasks related as far as I can tell.

You said here: I had plenty of work on the hdd then as I do now, just BT thinking no gpu work was available and so no gpu activity, yet the cpu had plenty, yet there were no massive downloads when BT restarts, just restarting 5 work units...

Fred answered here: BoincTasks is only the visual shell, doesn't start or stop anything all by itself.

Now, you can quote this whole post (as if I didn't know what I just posted) and angrily tell me off for whatever, but that doesn't mean you can't start reading what is being said to you, that in all the cases addressed above you're talking about the BOINC client doing that, not BOINCTasks, not BOINC Manager.
7386) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU not running, misplaced in BOINCTasks thread. (Message 49165)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
@VW Bobier: Both BOINC Manager and BOINCTasks are graphical user interfaces. They allow you to give commands to the underlying BOINC client in an easier way than having to do so through a command line window. Other than storing around 2,000 lines of text in the Event Log/Messages, they do not do any of the downloading, uploading, reporting, caching of work, scheduling which project to run next and all those other fun things that you see being done.

All that is done by the BOINC client. Which is a separate program. Both BOINC Manager and the BOINC client are developed and made by Berkeley.

Fred his programs are third party, they work with the BOINC client. He does not work for the developers in Berkeley, although he does work with them at times when a bug is found. As far as I know, Fred lives nowhere near Berkeley --though I could be mistaken, wasn't it Blaricum? ;-)

If you find that downloading, uploading, reporting or running of work has changed between BOINC versions, then it's due to differences in those BOINC versions, not due to BOINCTasks.
7387) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.2/7.3/7.4 Change Log and News (Message 49151)
Posted 16 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.1.1 available for testing for all platforms.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is a new version to test. This release contains the following fixes:
* Improvements to the CPU and GPU scheduler
* Improvements to work fetch
* Improvements to AMD GPU identification
* Limit the number of messages in the event log to 2000, which avoids continuous memory usage by the UI
* Images should now be able to be displayed with notices

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha. Please
report bugs to this email list (boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu).

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.


Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.65 --> 7.1.1 (more or less complete now):

  • client: major overhaul of work-fetch logic based on suggestions by Jacob Klein. The new policy is roughly as follows:
    -> Find the highest-priority project P that is allowed to fetch work for a resource below buf_min
    -> Ask P for work for all resources R below buf_max for which it's allowed to fetch work, unless there's a higher-priority project allowed to request work for R.

    If we're going to do an RPC to P for reasons other than work fetch, the policy is:
    -> For each resource R for which P is the highest-priority project allowed to fetch work, and R is below buf_max, request work for R.

  • client: work fetch message tweaks: show state before actions.
  • client: fix bug in work fetch that prevented resource backoff.
  • client: fix bug in work fetch that caused infinite RPCs if all projects backed off.
  • GUI RPC: add "project_dir" field to PROJECT struct. GUIs can look for image files (stat_icon etc.) in this directory.
  • client: more fixes to GUI RPC addition. Also, replace get_project_dir() with a memoized member function of PROJECT.
  • client: final fix to GUI RPC addition.
  • client: fix fatal bug introduced in 64d7fa34.
  • AMD GPU naming tweaks. From [P3D] Crashtest.
  • client: Avoid showing too-old stats in GUI. Trim old credit statistics on each GUI RPC as well as each scheduler reply.
  • client: minor code cleanup.
  • MGR: bug fix - save settings when Windows is shut down. Work around a bug in wxWidgets 2.8.x which fails to call OnExit() when Windows is shut down, causing any changes to Manager settings to be lost.
  • Fix file permissions.
  • VBOX: Disable USB support in virtual machines by default.

    On Linux the currently signed-in user has to be added to the vboxusers group in order to handle bridging USB devices. If the user has not taken that step virtual box throws a warning that looks like an error. This caused vboxwrapper to believe that the VM had failed to start. Since we do not know of any VM enabled problem that needs to communicate with an external USB device, just disable the feature entirely.

  • VBOX: Start keeping track on incompatible versions of VirtualBox.

    Set the temporary exit delay to one day if an incompatible version is detected. This gives the volunteer a chance to take corrective action before the task errors out after it exceeds its deadline.

  • VBOX: Add some text to atderr about the incompatible version of VirtualBox.
  • VBOX: Disable virtualized COM ports, LPT ports, and audio cards. Also disable bi-directional clipboard and drag and drop services.

    This probably isn't needed, but VirtualBox templates may change in the future and disabling them reduces our exposure to various types of errors.

  • client: don't use FLOPS info for completion estimates of NCI jobs.
  • client: fix compile warnings. From Gianfranco Costamagna.
  • MGR: Update GridRepublic, CharityEngine, ProgressThruProcessors to new V7 skins.
  • client: message tweak (show "don't need" in work request msg).
  • WCG: Fix issue with not uninstalling previous version of World Community Grid. Use WCG icon for add/remove programs.
  • MGR: Flush Manager settings to Windows Registry or user prefs when practical to do so.
  • MGR: fix build break.
  • MGR: clear instance pointer after delete.
  • WCG: Set files to 'always overwrite' so that in the future, version downgrades will not encounter issues with some files not installling properly.
  • VBOX: Fix version check so that it can work with RPM based distros of Linux.
  • VBOX: Adjust the set_cpu_usage() and set_network_usage() function prototypes to use ints and handle the preference conversion in the calling function.
  • VBOX: Set the minimum CPU usage value to 5%, if for some reason somebody chooses 0% (on purpose or bug) VirtualBox goes nuts. This should give the VM at least enough time to render a few frames and eventually boot.
  • VBOX: Update project files.
  • VBOX: Adjust the failsafe minimum CPU Usage value to 1. The VM should eventually boot.
  • boinccmd: check RPC replies for errors; show them.
  • VBOX: a value of 0 in <cpu_usage_limit> means "no limit", so set it to 100 if it is 0.
  • Unix install: copy .po files as non-executable.
  • VBOX: Break the modify VM phase into smaller chunks. Some platforms do not support turning off LPT ports for instance.
  • client: task schedule tweak to avoid starvation case. In enforce_run_list(), don't count the RAM usage of NCI tasks. NCI tasks run sporadically, so it doesn't make to count it; doing so can starve regular jobs in some cases.
  • Unix install: use $(INSTALL) for directories.
  • WIN: Reintroduce the application manifest for the core client. If BOINC was launched from an unprivileged (non-admin/not part of boinc_users/boinc_admin) attempts to write state files were re-directed to the VirtualStore instead of failing. Once things were fixed other random issues would occur.
  • client: apply app_config.xml settings after each scheduler RPC.
  • Mac: update build instructions for GIT instead of SVN.
  • MGR: Immediately update Simple View default project icon, window icon and window title when switching skin.
  • Fix issue with not uninstalling previous version of World Community Grid. Use WCG icon for add/remove programs.
  • WCG: Minor change in application name.
  • MGR: Modify the behavior of the blinking box around the notices button in the simple view. The color of the blinking box will be Red by default but can be overriden by a tag <notices_alert_color> in a skin.xml file.
  • MGR: Modify how the event log is displayed on the screen for Windows. Make sure that the event log window will fit on the screen and will be shown entirely on screen.
  • MGR: Change text for suspend button in simple view to say suspend client.
  • MGR: Modify the way we place an oversized or off screen message dialogue onto the screen. This simply moves it fully onto the screen rather than centering it.
  • Change text on suspend button in simple view back to simply "Suspend" or "Resume".


Available installers:

Windows 7.1.1
- boinc_7.1.1_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.1.1_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.1.1
- boinc_7.1.1_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.1.1_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.1.1_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.1.1
- boinc_7.1.1_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.1.1_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7388) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49139)
Posted 16 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try the simulator: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/sim_web.php

By the way, the NCI doesn't use a CPU core. It'll run always, even if there's enough work to fill all cores. So e.g. on a 4 core CPU, you can have 4 CPU intensive tasks and 1 non-CPU intensive task running at the same time.
7389) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC upgrade download does not recognize external drive.. (Message 49126)
Posted 14 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check options at this BOINC FAQ.
The program path is stored in the registry, at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup, called INSTALLDIR

Change that if necessary to the new path of the Program directory.
And next time, just easily uninstall BOINC and reinstall it, then in the third screen in the installer, click Advanced, change the path to the programs directory and continue the installation.


(P.S: I am using the screen grabs of the BOINC FAQ that shows how to install BOINC as a service. I didn't mean to say you need to check those, it only shows what's behind door number 5).
7390) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Is Not Highest Priority - Even When I Have No Work? (Message 49119)
Posted 14 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your email is in.
Do know that when you add attachments, that depending on size they not always make it. When emailing a big log to a developer, email him in private with the attachment. That way, if there's any private info in the log, the 3 other alpha testers on the list don't get it as well. ;-)

You can change how you want to send text in the options, MIME or plain text.
7391) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Is Not Highest Priority - Even When I Have No Work? (Message 49115)
Posted 14 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what went wrong where, but your email didn't make it. Are you sure you registered correctly? You'll need to confirm the registration before you can email the list.
7392) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Is Not Highest Priority - Even When I Have No Work? (Message 49106)
Posted 14 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure, and my head's elsewhere. Can you please post about this to the BOINC Alpha email list? This list needs registration.

If/when you do so, I'll flag your mail for David to check through it.
7393) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager doesn't connect to boinc-client on Ubuntu (Message 49103)
Posted 14 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I run "run_client", it tells me another instance of BOINC is already running.

So, perhaps there is another instance of BOINC running already. Did you check in top prior to starting the boinc-client?

But, you've been pointed to Installing BOINC on Linux in the Wiki. Did you read everything there? Did you read, for instance, at Installing on Ubuntu -> Starting BOINC: After the installation is finished, the daemon is started automatically.? That's why your boinc-client is already running. Don't want that to happen, set in the init script /etc/default/boinc-client:
# Set this to 1 to enable and to 0 to disable the init script.
ENABLED="0"

That will kill auto-start of the boinc-client.

Then I start "run_manager", the BOINC manager appears and is "Connecting to localhost" for a few minutes. Then it tells me the BOINC client has "unexpectedly stopped working in the last 3 minutes" and asks whether I wish to restart it.

Here's the thing. For boinc-manager to be able to connect to boinc-client, both must be started from the same directory. (and that was the end conclusion in the ticket you pointed out as well. That it was never closed is because the user never returned to tell how he fared on that or other BOINC versions.)

Have you done a whereis boinc-client?
Or a find boinc-client?
Or a locate boinc-client?

Have you done such a search for boinc-manager, to make sure that both these start from the same directory?

Whichever search option you use, you should only find one instance of boinc-client and boinc-manager on your system.
7394) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager doesn't connect to boinc-client on Ubuntu (Message 49097)
Posted 13 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC from repositories isn't necessarily maintained by Berkeley and any problems you have with it, are probably best asked at the forums for the distro.


But since you're running a Ubuntu version, why not run BOINC from Berkeley, instead of repositories? Berkeley's BOINC is built against Ubuntu 12.04, so it should work (easier).
7395) Message boards : BOINC client : boinccmd change logs? (Message 49096)
Posted 13 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.10.60 was the last that had get_results, all the rest after that has get_tasks

7.0.38 has boinccmd: show TIME_STATS info in --get_state
7396) Message boards : BOINC client : Client won't communicate after (removed) IP address conflict (Message 49092)
Posted 13 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
As whynot says, when you go and buy your own router, you connect that one to your internet outlet. The router will pick up the IP address change and if all's well continue to serve you automatically.

But the other cool thing that the router will do is give you your own steady IP address.

So let's assume the following situation:
- The internet outlet is at 10.1.232.100 when you connect the router to it. It will now take this address.
- The router will give your computer 192.168.1.4
- The internet outlet changes from 10.1.232.100 to 10.1.232.003
- You will still get 192.168.1.4 and have no problem. The router will take up the change of IP address and work with that. It's what they are for.

Routers come in all kinds of price ranges, from $30.- to multiple hundreds of dollars.
7397) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.64 installer doesn't use ENABLEPROTECTEDAPPLICATIONEXECUTION2 property (Message 49089)
Posted 13 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's because there was a bug in the old service installation setup, which was fixed for 7.0.64

The service now uses ENABLEPROTECTEDAPPLICATIONEXECUTION3 in the registry.
7398) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Is Not Highest Priority - Even When I Have No Work? (Message 49076)
Posted 11 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
From When requesting help on these forums:

General
-- In cases where you don't know how to find any information about your system, exit BOINC completely and restart it. Next copy and post the first 20 to 30 lines from the start-up messages. That'll give us enough information about your system, plus it might show a peek into your problem.
To get to the (start-up) messages, in BOINC 6.10 and before, click the Messages tab. In BOINC 6.12, 7.0 and after, when in Advanced view press CTRL+SHIFT+E.

- When having problems with tasks (not) switching, please make sure to post which projects you're attached to and which are all allowed to fetch work and which have work. Check that you didn't set your preferences on the project web site to omit using your CPU or GPU. Check that you didn't suspend the project, the tasks or the use of the piece of hardware.

- When reporting purported bugs in the program:
You can tell us a whole story of how you feel there's a bug in the program, that things aren't working and such, but for all we know it's something you did yourself. Without a debug log we cannot help you and your post will go ignored.
The debug messages will write into the Event Log.

The main debug flags that we're normally interested in are:
<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

When posting a log, after you added the flags to the configuration file, restart BOINC, let it run for up to 5 minutes, then post the WHOLE log. Not just 2 or 4 lines.
7399) Message boards : GPUs : boinc not stopping GPU after PC being idle (Message 49073)
Posted 11 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had already flagged the developers, as I said in your thread, before Raistmer marched in and said it wasn't a problem with the (his) app but that it had to do with something else (it's never his app, he says).

If he thinks there's such a problem with BOINC, he'd better report it to the BOINC development email list, as that's the place where things like this have to be reported on, with debug logs, with a full explanation of what has been tried to figure this out, etc. etc. He should not leave it to the user to report to the BOINC forums, as here there are no developers reading anything. He should not leave it to the user to report this to the email list either, as you don't (necessarily) have all of the information.

Edit: I see he has reported it to the development list, although again without explaining too much. Leaving it to the thread for things to have to be explained, while it's so much easier to add logs and information to the initial email. Anyway... out of my hands already.
7400) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Agent cause another crash (BSOD) in Windows 8 (Message 49068)
Posted 10 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I answered in the thread there. Don't think it's a problem with BOINC or BOINC Manager, but more something on his system. Driver related or hardware related. Gave him a link to a thread in which there's steps that show what happened and to go remedy this.
7401) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49066)
Posted 9 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/4323afee1fcde44055dc35d03aefbdfae84fd220/boinc-v2:

client: task schedule tweak to avoid starvation case

In enforce_run_list(), don't count the RAM usage of NCI tasks. NCI tasks run sporadically, so it doesn't make to count it; doing so can starve regular jobs in some cases.

Do you still build your own BOINC versions? You may want to git (yes, pun) the latest version of BOINC, build it and see if that fixes your situation.

Of course, we thank you for bringing it to the front. :-)
7402) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update to 7.0.64: Now no access as user - says wrong password (Message 49056)
Posted 8 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ahum, the PAE descriptor was dropped in favor of 'Service' in the v7 installers

LOL, never even saw that. Means I'll have to make a new HowTo FAQ on BOINC 7. ;-)
(Which I've now done. Quick version 1. How to FAQ)
7403) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update to 7.0.64: Now no access as user - says wrong password (Message 49051)
Posted 8 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
...there seemed to be no option for an installation as a server.

Not a server, but a service. It's there, third screen in the installer, click Advanced. The service option is the Protected Application Execution option.


So the question is, did you add a check mark on that option, or was it already checked? Or did you leave it unchecked and continued installing?
7404) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49034)
Posted 7 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had a quick chat with one of the developers, and he thinks it's a bug. So sending mail to all developers.

In the mean time, can you post a log with only <cpu_sched_debug> activated?
Then one with only <rr_simulation>
And one with only <sched_op_debug>

Thanks.
7405) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49033)
Posted 7 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anything I forgot to ask? ;-)

I'm Pisces. :-)

LOL, thanks, already got one of those. ;-)
7406) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49032)
Posted 7 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Those RNA tasks, how much memory do they want?
With only 1 GB in the system, you may have trouble.

Does that task stay in memory while waiting for more memory?
How much memory do any of the tasks want when they run?
7407) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 49028)
Posted 7 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
p.s. how many moaners have a green star?

Why ask? You want to give them a different colour star? (blue) ;-)
and P.S: How do you know all of them are men?
7408) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC starving while waiting for memory (Message 49027)
Posted 7 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of system is this on?
How much memory?
Amount of CPUs BOINC can use?
Any GPUs?
Which Linux?
Resource shares?
Any multi-threading applications?
Anything I forgot to ask? ;-)
7409) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC on Windows Phone (Message 49026)
Posted 7 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi,

I have asked the developers if there are plans to port BOINC to Windows Phone 8, the operating system used in Windows Phones. They've told me there are no plans to port BOINC, not for the near future at least. Perhaps later, at least after 6 months.
7410) Message boards : Questions and problems : Update to 7.0.64: Now no access as user - says wrong password (Message 49011)
Posted 6 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm one of the in-house experts, but not going to help at this time. I forwarded your plight to the developers, in a list of things gone wrong. Expect Rom to come by and ask questions sometime this week.
7411) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mid 2010 iMac running Ubuntu (No Useable GPU) (Message 48994)
Posted 5 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're running a BOINC from repositories. This installs BOINC as a privileged user, which isn't capable of reaching the drivers for the videocard. By using sudo, you temporarily make the client run as the super-user, which can read the drivers. This is undone when you reboot, then the client is back at being the unprivileged user, which cannot read the drivers.

The only way around is not to use the client from repositories, but the one from Berkeley. This client installs in your user directory, where also all your drivers install to.

To do so, set No New Tasks, run all your work empty, abort what's not done, upload & report. Remove that client, move what's left of BOINC in the /var/lib/boinc-client directory to the /home/boinc/ directory, then go to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php and download 7.0.65, install that. Check if everything is where it needs to be (directory), else move some stuff to and fro, then start the new client.
7412) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48990)
Posted 5 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hold on, does it say that it cannot connect to the (Seti) server, or does the server tell you that it's out of work? As the latter is correct.

5/5/2013 5:23:43 PM | SETI@home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
5/5/2013 5:23:43 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
5/5/2013 5:23:43 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
5/5/2013 5:23:43 PM | SETI@home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 5061.32 seconds; 0.00 devices
5/5/2013 5:23:43 PM | SETI@home | [sched_op] ATI work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
5/5/2013 5:23:46 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
5/5/2013 5:23:46 PM | SETI@home | [sched_op] Server version 701
5/5/2013 5:23:46 PM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available
5/5/2013 5:23:46 PM | SETI@home | Project requested delay of 303 seconds


And http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html shows that at the time of me writing this post, there is no work available:
Results ready to send	0
7413) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48989)
Posted 5 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In that case, use net localgroup boinc_admins 'username' /delete first, before reinstalling (or repair installing).
7414) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install Problem (Message 48986)
Posted 5 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to see what you see:
HKLM/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Window/CurrentVersion/Run

This one will contain a link to boinctray.exe, the BOINC idle detection program. This will always start up at Windows boot up. Does this registry entry contain anything else with the name BOINC in it?

HKCU/SOFTWARE/Microsoft/Window/CurrentVersion/Run

This one will contain a link to boincmgr.exe, the BOINC Manager program. It is used to automatically start up BOINC when the user has that option checked in the Options. Does this registry entry contain anything else with the name BOINC in it?
Start Menu\Programs\Startup

This one is no longer used, it was used by a previous BOINC version (all the way back to 5, I think) to start up BOINC at Windows boot up. You can easily remove this entry yourself, and if all is well, it simply won't return on a next installation.

If all is well, at least. Mind checking?
7415) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48984)
Posted 5 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thanks, I have forwarded that to the developers, as it should've been fixed in a built between 7.0.28 and 7.0.64
In the mean time, you can add the user manually to the group, by following this BOINC FAQ.

The weird part is that your previous version should've added the name to the group as well. But I leave that to the developers to figure out. It's possible I come back with questions from them, or they come passing by themselves.
7416) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48982)
Posted 4 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of Windows 7? Home, Basic, Professional, Ultimate, Server, other?
Are you installing as an administrator?
Was the 7.0.28 version you used before also a 64bit version?
7417) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48947)
Posted 3 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here is the directory file list:

Directory of C:\Program Files\BOINC\ProgramData

You have just reinstalled BOINC so its data directory resides back at E:\BOINC\ProgramData, remember? So you'll have to get these files from there, as it's this directory you have the problems with.

You can delete the C:\Program Files\BOINC\ProgramData directory tree, as you don't use it anymore.
7418) Message boards : Questions and problems : No useable GPUs found (Message 48946)
Posted 3 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post your BOINC start up messages from Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E). The first 20 to 30 lines will do.
7419) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48941)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you post the contents of the global_prefs.xml file and of the global_prefs.override.xml file found in the BOINC Data directory?
Also check the properties of these files, more precisely their attributes. The global_prefs_override.xml file isn't read-only, is it?

You can open these files with Notepad, no need for a fancy XML editor.

And no, I can't think of any reason why those changes are made. I was checking the source code earlier to see what the default values are, as a 1000 GB disk size value seems a bit OTT to me. (Rom, you reading along? ;-))

Oh, late edit, you sure it says "connecting to localhost", not "connected to localhost"?
7420) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48939)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
02-May-2013 17:19:56 [---] Data directory: C:\Program Files\BOINC\ProgramData

No, don't use that directory for the Data directory. Put that back in E:\BOINC\Programdata\ or in the default C:\Programdata\BOINC, but do not use the C:\Program Files\ directory as Windows does not allow that programs write to any sub-directory of this directory. BOINC writes a LOT to the data directory.

So uninstall and reinstall (again), but this time change the path of the data directory only.

Besides, by moving your data directory path as well, you've now alienated the projects and tasks you had. So just change the path to the data dir back to the original one.
7421) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48936)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you double, triple, quadriple check for me that the BOINC program files have installed to the correct directory? That they went into C:\Program Files\BOINC\

What is that one line that the 7.0.64 version prints in stdoutdae.txt?
7422) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48934)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the preferences are not set to start only when the computer is idle. However, after checking, other preferences have been changed and I cannot get preferences to change to what they should be. Even trying to clear all the preferences isn't working. When I re-installed 7.0.64(x64) this morning, I did not first uninstall 7.0.28(x64) thinking 7.0.64 would do that anyway (correct?).

Yes, installing a new client over an older uninstalls the previous BOINC before the installer installs the new one.
But not being able to make changes to the preferences, I assume you're trying to do so through BOINC Manager's advanced view preferences?
If you cannot make changes through that, you either have a permissions problem (on the data directory), or both the client and the manager didn't start up correctly.

First follow Claggy's advice, please.

P.S:
On multiprocessor systems, use at most 0.00% of the processors. (should be 100%)

The lowest possible value one can set here is 0.01% which will use 1 CPU, but never zero as that's counter-intuitive to the usage of BOINC. Setting it to zero will invoke the minimum amount of CPU cores set through "On multiprocessors, use at most N processors" to be used.
7423) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48926)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No project apps are running.

Well, boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe and boinctray.exe shouldn't use any CPU cycles, but it is weird that your science apps aren't running, unless you set preferences for them to start only when the computer is idle (did you?).

If not, there's something locking your BOINC. What that is, I don't know, I am rapidly running out of ideas. I'll ask the developer for Windows to make a pass-by, maybe that he has any ideas.
7424) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doing no work since Linux update (Message 48924)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No stderrae.txt (I checked the usual places and also used `find`).

Yeah, well, if you searched for that, you won't find it. I asked for stderrdae.txt :-)

Why is is not requesting new tasks? Too many SETI ones in the queue already or something else?

Now, first off, 7.0.29 was never a recommended version, but has always been a development version only. So it could be a myriad of bugs.
The work request is set by the low water mark (Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least) value. Above it and there won't be any work rquest, fall under it and presto we'll ask work, and then ask work from the most eligible project (the one with the lowest RAC really, if all projects use the same resource share).

If you truly want to see why project A won't take work in, while project B might be on the brink of, you'll have to use the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

In your case, I would set work_fetch_debug and cpu_sched_debug.
But as said, your BOINC is an old one, the bug --if it is a bug-- could've been fixed already. Only way to know is by using a newer version. And so we'll have to wait for your admin.
7425) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ideas for new point system (Message 48920)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNew
7426) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doing no work since Linux update (Message 48917)
Posted 2 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If it isn't a preference somewhere that's doing this, then to me it looks mostly like it's a problem with 7.0.29

Any late entries in stderrdae.txt?
I see in http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=boinc-client that 7.0.65 is now the client of choice on many of the Fedora versions. Mind checking if there's one for yours and try to update to it, or try the one for Fedora 19?
7427) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC & SpyBot Search & Destroy Immunization (Message 48908)
Posted 1 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't see how this is a problem for BOINC to solve, but more one for the makers of S&D: http://forums.spybot.info/

I don't use S&D anymore either, am now using SuperAntiSpyware and MalwareBytes Anti-Malware.
7428) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can not install newest BOINC (Message 48907)
Posted 1 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And if that doesn't work, there are more options given in this BOINC FAQ.
7429) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48901)
Posted 1 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Proto  Local Address          Foreign Address        State
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54674        TIME_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54675        TIME_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54676        TIME_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54677        TIME_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54686        TIME_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54687        TIME_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54688        TIME_WAIT
  TCP    127.0.0.1:2559         127.0.0.1:54689        TIME_WAIT

Hold on, these results from 7.0.64, are these the addresses it says boinc.exe is using?
7430) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 5.8.16 does not work with Windows 95 (Message 48891)
Posted 1 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti will do as well, but you need to use the anonymous platform. See http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=48986 for more information and how to get and use the files.

Apropos, was this Windows 95 fully updated?
Did it for instance use the newer Microsoft Installer (2.0 or 3.1, I forget which)?
7431) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.0.64/7.0.65 released to the public (Message 48889)
Posted 1 May 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
my account was not recognized too when I first tried to login to create this message. I had to create my credentials to create this message.

You won't have an account on the BOINC forums, unless you made one. It's not made by downloading or installing BOINC, and since this web site isn't affiliated to any project that you add to BOINC, no account will be made that way either.

The account you have on any of the project websites is only an account for that project. It won't enable you to log in on any other project web site, or on the BOINC forums. You have to make an account for each of the projects separately.
7432) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doing no work since Linux update (Message 48875)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've have a look tomorrow at the GUI to see if it tells me which timezone I'm in and ask a sysadmin to check it's GMT.

Your BOINC states: Tue 30 Apr 2013 14:47:17 BST | | Local time is UTC +1 hours
Which is correct for Great Britain at this time. You've changed to summer time as well end of March.

global_prefs.xml isn't made on restarting the client, it's made when the client contacts any of the projects. Then the scheduler will check if it's there, and if not, push the project preferences and computing preferences onto the computer.

Okay, in your global_prefs.xml file it says: <max_cpus>0</max_cpus>
This value is set by On multiprocessors, use at most X processors and is the minimum amount of CPUs you want BOINC to use. If set to zero... how do you expect BOINC to do any work? ;-)

So go to Seti's computing preferences and change that value to 4, if you want to use all 4 cores on your i5. You can then use On multiprocessors, use at most X% of the processors to fine tune the amount.
Then push the update to the client: BOINC Manager->Projects tab->Seti->Update.


@Claggy, thanks for bringing that up as well. I'd forgotten about that thread in Alpha, mostly as I had only glanced at it, as I was busy with other stuff at the time.
7433) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48872)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What I see there, is that all of your ports are blocked. Let me check up on that (after dinner).
7434) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doing no work since Linux update (Message 48871)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do have BOINC set to run based on preferences?
The waiting to run and ready to start are tasks run by CPU apps?
Deleting global_prefs.xml will not do much, it'll be remade the next time BOINC contacts any project. So for continuity, can you please post the contents of global_prefs.xml as well? It'll hold some preferences that cannot be set through the override file.

And as you may have noticed, there's a new BOINC out, 7.0.65. Though not yet through rpm. But if you know what you're doing you could move everything BOINC to your /home directory and install Berkeley BOINC instead, see what that does.
7435) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48868)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC its parts use TCP port 31416 to communicate with each other. Is it possible something else on your system has started up before BOINC and is using that port?

Can you open a command line window (Start->Run->type cmd and hit Enter) and type in netstat -an and hit Enter. In the list that shows, is there an entry for 127.0.0.1:31416 in both the IP address columns?

We can also see what program opens up what ports. But for this we need to elevate the command line to administrator. So go Start->All programs->Accessories->Right click on Command Prompt->Run as administrator->Acknowledge.

Next type netstat -bn and hit Enter.
What are the entries for boinc.exe?
If you want, you can let the output go to a text file so it's easier to copy data from it. In that case, do netstat -bn > C:\temp\netstat.txt
7436) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPID split (Message 48867)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it's the same e-mail address for every project on every host and no, I do not use an account manager, and no, this has not happened before.

But do you have at least one host that has all the projects under that account attached?

E.g. Host A, B and C.
Projects 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

Host A has project 1, 3, 5
Host B has project 2, 4, 6
Host C has project 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

If you only have hosts A and B, you can get a split CPID, even when the email address is the same on every project. But add host C with all projects attached (or make host A or B the one with all projects attached) and the CPID will eventually (after a day or so, up to 14 days) equalize to one CPID.
7437) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doing no work since Linux update (Message 48862)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see:
Tue 30 Apr 2013 14:50:28 BST | | System clock was turned backwards; clearing timeouts

Try to figure out by how much the system clock was turned backwards and what effect that had on any of the work in cache.

Also check all the status columns in BOINC Manager (Projects tab, Tasks tab). Other than Waiting to Run and Ready to Start, are there any other messages there?

Is this BOINC by Fedora repositories, or BOINC by Berkeley?
7438) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48856)
Posted 29 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
That the client cannot communicate with the manager won't affect the running of any work. You can just start boinc.exe and it'll do all work in the background. BOINC Manager is just a graphical interface to control the client.

As far as I know, there have been no fixes for or work done on the communication between the client and the manager for any BOINC between 7.0.28 and 7.0.64. We've been doing different bug fixes.

So what you can try to do is remove the BOINC entries in the firewall and re-allow them after installing 7.0.64

You're using Windows firewall?

7439) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to connect to localhost after installing 7.0.64 (Message 48850)
Posted 29 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you ever allow BOINC.exe and BOINCMGR.exe to communicate with each other on TCP port 31416 in your firewall?

If you had already done that at one time:
1. Did you install the correct version of BOINC this time, not that you had a 64bit version and now installed a 32bit version, or you had a 32bit version and now installed a 64bit version?

I ask as the 32bit version installs to a different program directory than the 64bit version does. 32bit programs install to C:\Program Files (x86)\ in Windows, while 64bit programs install to C:\Program Files\
Notice the difference? You can't install programs of a differing bit-size to the other directory either, Windows won't let you.

So if you had 32bit Windows installed and now installed 64bit Windows, it will make a problem for the firewall exclusion, as there the programs are filled in with full path to their directory. And so if the firewall says it's fine to let C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\boinc.exe communicate with C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\boincmgr.exe, but your new BOINC is installed into C:\Program Files\BOINC\, the firewall won't allow the communication.

In cases like this you better check what the firewall says it allows.

2. Did you have a GPU installed, but did the Windows Update disable it, install a new driver for it by chance? There have been reports where the client and manager stop communicating with each other, when it's found that the GPU that was used earlier for calculations, is all of a sudden gone. This causes infinite RPCs, which make it impossible for the client to communicate with the manager.
7440) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Results returned" and "Total Run Time" (Message 48841)
Posted 28 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, I do have some questions on that:
1. What do you want done with the results already previously run?

2. You do know that BOINC did away with those things and came up with the credit system, due to the 'tasks run' being incompatible between projects? (You can't compare a Seti task with a CPDN model, for instance)

3. You do also know that this isn't just a decision the BOINC developers can make, but that projects have to be in it as well, as they do not count any such statistics at the moment, and therefore should make changes to their database(s) (something some projects will not like doing, as adding a column for several hundreds of thousands of computers adds to overhead) to be able to do so?

I have forwarded your question to David Anderson.
7441) Message boards : GPUs : Choosing GPU mostly for BOINC but with the occasional film (Message 48821)
Posted 25 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since you don't say what you price range is, in actual numbers, it's still difficult to give advice. Even then, I may like AMD, you may like Nvidia, you have to choose what you want. All of the above are DirectX 11 these days.

I think it's easier to just go to a comparing site, like http://graphics-cards.findthebest.com/. Just fill in what you ant and see what rolls out.

While I muse about not having seen a 2D only graphics card (or -chip) since at least 1995. ;-)
7442) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 48818)
Posted 25 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
As it now stands, I will be taking the DrugDiscovery project website off line, reformat the server, reinstall everything and hope to have it back some time in the future. Sans the Drupal frontpage which looks to be the culprit.

Busy backing up whatever I can.
7443) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install Problem (Message 48811)
Posted 24 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've got a corrupt installer file. See this BOINC FAQ for fixes.
7444) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48807)
Posted 24 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I put the change log into the User Wiki as well. Just for ease of scrolling through the list of changes. It won't show in the index --not sure yet if I will add it there.

All changes for 6.13.0 -> 6.13.12 (pre-7.0)
All changes for 7.0.1 -> 7.0.28
All changes for 7.0.29 -> 7.0.65
7445) Message boards : BOINC Manager : CPU & GPU usage profiles in BOINC-Manager (Message 48806)
Posted 24 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I liked your proposal and sent it to the developers, although in a somewhat rewritten form. See, adding more wizards to the Manager is something for a future BOINC Manager. So I asked for the <exclusive_app/> and <exclusive_gpu_app/> functions to be increased wit:

1. Switch BOINC from using --say-- 100% of CPU cores to 50% of CPU cores during the time program X is in memory. As soon as the program leaves memory, switch back to using CPU cores amount as the user has set.
2. Perhaps add the possibility to throttle the other CPU cores during the time this program is in memory? As soon as the program leaves memory, switch back to using CPU time as the user has set.

David has added it to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PrefsRemodel for the moment, since if they do this, it would be part of a complete redo of the preferences system. Which is also scheduled for a future version.
7446) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple problems. Starting with AK_v8b2_win_SSE3_AMD.exe (Message 48795)
Posted 23 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is a problem with the anonymous platform file for the Seti application that you have installed, and/or the third party application going missing from your hard drive. Since we're not the Seti forums, I suggest you go to their Number Crunching forum and post there for help on how to resolve this.
7447) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.0.64/7.0.65 released to the public (Message 48793)
Posted 23 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
BOINC 7.0 is now available for public use. This release includes
numerous bug fixes and new features.

We would like to also thank all the testers and support people across all the projects for their tireless efforts to make BOINC the best product it can be.

Here are the big ticket items for this release:

* Intel GPU Support
* Improved client ccheduler and work-fetch policies
7448) Message boards : BOINC client : astropulse_6 won't stop computing! (Message 48787)
Posted 23 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try rebooting

You can also just start boinctray by navigating to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ (if 64bit) or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ (if 32bit) and (double)clicking on boinctray.exe

No need to (messily) reboot.

Mind, starting boinctray this way won't show any program running, or a notification that it started. You can only see that in Windows task manager that it does.

Newer BOINC version, like the present release client 7.0.64, will (re)start boinctray automatically upon installation.
7449) Message boards : Questions and problems : Firewall rules (Message 48773)
Posted 22 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC binary and the BOINC Manager binary need access to each other on TCP port 31416 on localhost (the local computer).
The BOINC binary needs access to the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.
7450) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.31 Overheating Problem (Message 48761)
Posted 22 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If your CPU is getting that hot, it has problems. Then either the cooling fan has fallen off, or it's completely clogged up with dust. It doesn't matter which BOINC version you install on that, that won't help.

It wouldn't help anyway, as it's the science application by the project doing the calculations of the tasks that makes the CPU run hot.

So you should open up that Mac and take a look inside. Or if you're not comfortable with doing so, find someone who is.
7451) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the internet usage of Boinc? (Message 48757)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
So does the program use internet continually or only in the initial stages?

Whenever BOINC asks for and downloads work, or uploads work. Which, again, depends on your computer speed and what applications do work.

Is the disk usage section in advanced view (ie primegrid 60 mb)how much has been downloaded or something else?

The disk usage section shows how much disk any of the attached projects use, yes.

Im currently running (at the moment, ive completed many others) Docking, Primegrid, constellation, Einstein@home, three openmalaria tasks and three world grid tasks.

Of these, I only know of Einstein that it will have downloaded a lot. But Einstein differs from other projects, as it will have downloaded a lot of work unit files now, and for the next couple of days, if not weeks, it will slice parts off of these work units and do calculations on them. It will not download more work until it's done with these work units. Which is lucky, as those take about 8MB per part of the work unit, and there can easily be 12 parts per WU.

I dont know if thats any help, my main worry is that if I exceed my broadband limit, I'm paying per GB, and I dont really want to do that.

You can set in your BOINC preferences that BOINC can only use X amount of bandwidth in Megabytes per so many days.

You can set this either through the local advanced preferences, if you're using those, or otherwise through the computation preferences of any of the projects you're running. It does require that you run a BOINC 6.10.46 or above.

E.g. http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/prefs.php?subset=global:
Transfer at most --- Mbytes every --- days.

In your case, you can set for instance 30730 Mbytes every 30 days. This tells BOINC it can use only 30 GB bandwidth per 30 days. When it goes over, it will stop downloading, uploading and reporting work until it is allowed another 30GB, or you override with "Allow network always". To run this preferences, you're required to run "based on preferences" for CPU use and network use.
7452) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the internet usage of Boinc? (Message 48755)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you tell us which projects, there's always someone around that can tell how much these tasks are to download and upload.

E.g. Seti has two applications:
1. Seti-Enhanced, downloads 367KB, uploads 22KB per task.
2. Astropulse, downloads 8192KB (8MB), uploads 20KB per task.

There's projects, such as Climateprediction.net that download many megabytes for a model, but then such a model will run multiple days, if not weeks or months.

It really depends on the project, how long the tasks actually run on your computer, if you have a GPGPU (ATI, Nvidia), etc. Without saying which projects you run, we can't make an estimate. Only a wild guess.
7453) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the internet usage of Boinc? (Message 48752)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the project or projects you have added and how much work you're telling BOINC to cache for these projects. BOINC by itself alone will use very little.

So which projects did you add, and which applications did you choose to run for those projects?
7454) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and CentOS x64 -how to run? (Message 48737)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apropos, you can test versions from http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=boinc-client, but as shown, none are specifically for Redhat Enterprise or CentOS
7455) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and CentOS x64 -how to run? (Message 48736)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like Linux constantly requires to fight with some incompatibilities ...

Yes. What will work on one Linux won't on another. Not much you can do about that, just shrug. Better than to stress about it (or flame us ;-)).
7456) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPUs (Message 48734)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Einstein project has an application on their test project (Albert) for running the Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Perseus Arm Survey) tasks in OpenCL on an Intel GPU.

At the Seti project third party programmers are also busy trying to add support for it.

Apropos, I wasn't correct earlier in saying that the CPU didn't need to be detected as OpenCL capable. It does need to be. Which is what is going to be added to the next client that's going to be tested, after we release the new 7.0 client to the public (really soon now).
7457) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and CentOS x64 -how to run? (Message 48733)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it really required to build BOINC against latest libs that don't supported even in up to date distros ?
CentOS 6.4 is the latest CentOS AFAIK.

Perhaps that CentOS 6.4 is the latest CentOS, but that doesn't mean that it's completely up-to-date with drivers, applications, programs and libraries. No Linux is, as far as I know.

You can try to build BOINC with older libraries. But I disagree with your assessment that there is no BOINC under CentOS repositories. See here.

But why do you use a server version of Linux? isn't a user version, such as any of the Ubuntu branches, not easier to get to grips with?
7458) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and CentOS x64 -how to run? (Message 48727)
Posted 20 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps Berkeley BOINC. Have you checked that the package manager doesn't contain a BOINC built for and on your CentOS?
7459) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and CentOS x64 -how to run? (Message 48722)
Posted 20 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally to get missing libraries, you install them from your package manager. Berkeley BOINC is built on and tested against Ubuntu. To be adding all libraries to the client is not going to be useful, as these libraries need to be working with your distro. Adding all libraries for all possible distros out there, well, I hope you get the point that this is impossible.

Perhaps wise to check for other missing or misplaced libraries as well.
ldd boinc-client
and
ldd boinc-manager

That's el dee dee.
7460) Message boards : API : how to deploy vboxwrapper? (Message 48712)
Posted 20 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In that case, best write to the BOINC projects email list. Its address can be found in the "if no answer within 24 hours" stick thread.
7461) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 48708)
Posted 20 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll be taking the DrugDiscovery@Home project off line during Saturday, and for an unknown amount of time. At least until we're sure Google's not lying about it being an attack site.

I've taken the daemons down already, but will have to wait with taking the site down, until after I heard back from the hosting company.
7462) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager 7.0.25 win64 not starting (Message 48705)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is a known bug with 7.0.28 and is fixed in 7.0.30
But you can easily update to 7.0.64, which as it looks like is going to be the next recommended for Windows. See the latest post (at time of typing) in the Change Log thread for links.
7463) Message boards : API : how to deploy vboxwrapper? (Message 48697)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VboxApps ??
7464) Message boards : Questions and problems : Information about Bonic Tasks (Message 48696)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the brand and model of the CPU, amount of memory, the operating system used, whether or not it has a GPGPU and if so what kind, etc. What may be fast for one may be slow for another.
7465) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with GPU boinc after a restart of windows (Message 48695)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cross posting about it on Einstein and Milkyway, will only yield the much of the same questions.
7466) Message boards : API : How to make the WrapperApp to work? (Message 48686)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind, it's also required that BOINC actually detects the GPU so it can ask for work for it. Just having a GPU application won't do, as then BOINC won't be using it.
7467) Message boards : Questions and problems : Limiting CPUs per task? (Message 48665)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there is no such setting available. And besides, that wouldn't work with multi-threaded applications, as they assume that they will be able to use either all CPU cores in the system, or at least all of those appointed to BOINC. The only solution around that is not to run the MT application, you should be able to select that through the project preferences.

7468) Message boards : BOINC client : Client won't communicate after (removed) IP address conflict (Message 48661)
Posted 17 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
a) What if you do a ipconfig /flushdns from a command line window next time? This will flush the immediate DNS cache in Windows.
b) Please do elaborate on why it happens, there may be a fix for it.
7469) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48655)
Posted 17 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.64 Release Candidate available for testing for Windows.
BOINC 7.0.65 Release Candidate available for testing for Linux and Macintosh.
World Community Grid 7.0.64 Release Candidate available for testing for Windows.


Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a follow-up build to .62. 7.0.64 for Windows and 7.0.65 for Linux and Mac.

This build fixes two setup issues:
1. Properly remember the "All Users" setup option.
2. Reset "Launch BOINC Manager" checkbox at the end of setup if an improper value was stored in the registry from the 6.10/6.12 release.

Please continue to log test results against the 7.0.60 build. You can see our current progress here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_summary.php

We need to complete the test pass by achieving over 95% coverage of the test cases found here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

If you have been running any of the 7.0.60+ clients for any length of time please go ahead and log your results.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.62 --> 7.0.63:

  • Fix issue with WCG build of client on the Add Project dialogue. If the user was not connected to WCG, then no option was selected by default. Now, the 'Add Project' option will be shown as selected.
  • client: don't prefix <task> messages with [task]
  • client: check return value of FormatMessageW() so we don't print garbage.
  • client: bugfix for Android in host_is_running_on_batteries(). Change filehandling back to fopen and fclose from rewind.
  • WINSETUP: Fix the Enable Use by All Users checkbox in the installer. The setting wasn't being properly restored.
  • WINSETUP: Special case the LAUNCHPROGRAM property, if the registry value is an empty string, enable the checkbox.
  • client: add AMD GPU name for HD 3650 (RV635).
  • MGR: Don't display architecture (x86 vs x86_64) in About Box on Macs.
  • MGR: Enforce a minimum username/email address length when we are prompting for a username or email address.
  • MGR: Cleanup up the about dialog a little bit.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.63 --> 7.0.64:


  • MGR: Keep the BOINC logo visible in the about dialog box.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.64 --> 7.0.65:


  • Mac: Fix compile errors.


Available installers:

Windows 7.0.64
- boinc_7.0.64_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.64_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.65
- boinc_7.0.65_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.65_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.65_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.0.65
- boinc_7.0.65_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.65_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

World Community Grid 7.0.64
- wcg_boinc_7.0.64_windows_intelx86.exe

7470) Message boards : Questions and problems : To update or not to update (Message 48652)
Posted 16 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will automatically report the to be reported tasks, but it does only do so at least 24 hours after the first task was ready to report. Why not do so immediately? Because it adds to the server overhead.

Reporting 1 task takes as much overhead (database reading and writing, memory usage, CPU usage) as does reporting 10 or 20 tasks. So it's more efficient to report multiple tasks.

So, then, completed work is reported at the first of:

1) 24 hours before deadline.
2) Connect Every X before deadline.
3) 24 hours after task completion.
4) Immediately if the upload completes later than either 1, 2, or 3 upon completion of the task.
5) On a trickle up message.
6) On a trickle down request.
7) On a server scheduled connection. Used, but I am not certain by which project.
8) On a request for new work.
9) When the user pushes the update button.
10) On a request from an account manager.
11) Report immediately every task, if "No new Task" is set.
12) Report immediately if CPU or network time-of-day override starts in the next 30 minutes. (BOINC 7.0)
13) When minimum work buffer is reached. (BOINC 7.0)

I'm not saying you should stop updating, that's a decision you can make perfectly well for yourself. I'm just saying that BOINC will do it automatically.
7471) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Screen saver!!!!!!!!!!! (Message 48646)
Posted 16 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_screensaver#Disabling_screen_saver
7472) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Screen saver!!!!!!!!!!! (Message 48642)
Posted 16 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The same way you disable any screen saver, through your operating system.
On Windows
1.Open Screen Saver Settings by clicking the Start button , clicking Control Panel, clicking Appearance and Personalization, clicking Personalization, and then clicking Screen Saver.
2. To turnoff all screen savers, under Screen Saver, click (None) in the drop-down list, and then click OK.
7473) Message boards : Questions and problems : boincmgr :: Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions detected. (Message 48639)
Posted 16 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have two options that I see:
1. Use the BOINCCMD tool if you can't use BOINC Manager. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool for more info. You do know that you can give commands to the client through the command line as well?

2. If you have a problem with BOINC built by Berkeley, run the version from Fedora repositories instead. That version is built against working libraries for FC. The only problem here is that it may not be the newest version that's available. That's something you have to complain to the package maintainers about, it's not something the BOINC developers have in hand.
7474) Message boards : BOINC client : BM .62 strange (Message 48622)
Posted 13 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can post in your thread ad nauseum, but without specific data there is nothing that we can see or do about any of it. Your problem, you have to explain in detail what you see, what you think you should see, where it differs from the last test you did. There's nothing in it that I can send to the developers either, as they'll just request debug logs and such, things that you neglect to give.

So you really have to do better than this. If not in text, then use pictures. Use Photobucket, Imageshack or TinyPic to store the image and give an URL or IMG to the image.

Since you're choosing to run development versions of BOINC, I also want to remind you of the disclaimer and reminder to alpha testers:
Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.
7475) Message boards : BOINC client : BM .62 strange (Message 48601)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you mean with 'fuzzy stuff'? Seeing artifacts, such as this?


When you see artifacts as that, it's caused by the videocard. Either its drivers are corrupt, or the card is damaged. A while back there were a lot of bad transistors around, that got onto everything hardware and would bulge up and then burn out over time. Perhaps it's something like that.

If you mean artifacts, it isn't something that BOINC does. BOINC has nothing to do with loading drivers onto hardware. It just gives a means to use the GPU on a videocard for calculations, just as it will do for the CPU.
7476) Message boards : API : Compiling the example_app on Windows (Message 48591)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Ageless: I'm not quite sure what reinstalling/redownloading the entire BOINC source would change since I already have it installed on my debian6 VM? And browsing through http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/boinc-v2?order=name does not show any major changes compared to the BOINC server I have installed now.

I think I read your intention wrong. It was late, I read ftp and thought you tried to use an FTP client to get the example apps from the web site. All I did was point out they were in the source code. Sorry for the confusion.
7477) Message boards : API : Compiling the example_app on Windows (Message 48585)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have no idea though, how to get the this wrapper inside my VM (ftp command doesn't work in debian :( )

It's not on an FTP server anyway. You need Git, which most Linux distros have installed by default. And then you can just download the whole source code, so you're up-to-date and have everything available to you.
7478) Message boards : API : Compiling the example_app on Windows (Message 48580)
Posted 10 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can't. The sln (or solution) file is for Visual Studio.
There is however a converter, I see: http://code.google.com/p/make-it-so/

But checking the source code, I see that the example apps come pre-built these days. Just make sure you download boincv2, it'll then be in samples/example_app/bin/22489

Can also be checked with the browser link: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/boinc-v2/samples/example_app/bin/22489
7479) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48578)
Posted 10 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uploading no, that is merely saving data from your hard drive to a hard drive on the server.

Downloading however needs scheduler access, which does need database access, as these tasks that you download need to get registered against your computer ID. Without scheduler no downloads.
7480) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48570)
Posted 10 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.62 Release Candidate available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
The reason for this release is a bug fix for BOINCTasks.

Please report all test results for this release under the 7.0.60 version as far as the BOINC alpha (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/) website is concerned.

If you haven't already done so, please log your test results to the BOINC Alpha website. The sooner the test results are logged, the sooner we can get this release out to the public.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.60 --> 7.0.61:

  • Remove more dead projects from project list.
  • client: detect new Win versions and AMD GPUs; from [P3D] Crashtest.
  • client: fix bug in work fetch that prevented resource backoff.
  • client: AMD GPU names; from Jord.
  • client: AMD GPU name tweaks.
  • client: put back --detach (because BoincTasks assumes it) and --detach_console (because the documentation says it exists). I'm not sure why --detach_phase_two is there, but leave it.
  • boinccmd: show correct error message if auth failure.
  • MGR: Fix minor cosmetic issue rendering Task Selection Control in Simple View on Mac.
  • MGR: Check the size of the stats vectors before attempting to tabulate the results.
  • MGR: Fix the text for the 'reread config files' menu option.
  • client: Make the detach console stuff backwards compatible with BOINCTasks.

  • WCG: Fix bug in WCG version of client when using the project_init.xml file it initiate auto-attach to World Community Grid.
  • WCG: Add signing requirement to installer. Need Rom to add key location and key password to file when he builds.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.61 --> 7.0.62:


  • MGR: Remove fix of text for the 'reread config files' menu option. (Adding it now would break translations. This change will come in the next major revision.)


Available installers:

Windows 7.0.62
- boinc_7.0.62_windows_intelx86.exe (8.0MB)
- boinc_7.0.62_windows_x86_64.exe (8.9MB)

Macintosh 7.0.62
- boinc_7.0.62_macOSX_i686.zip (5.9MB)
- boinc_7.0.62_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip (3.3MB)
- boinc_7.0.62_i686-apple-darwin.zip (1.1MB)

Linux 7.0.62
- boinc_7.0.62_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh (2.8MB)
- boinc_7.0.62_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh (2.8MB)

World Community Grid 7.0.62
- wcg_boinc_7.0.62_windows_intelx86.exe (9.0MB)

7481) Message boards : Questions and problems : edit or change CPID (Message 48568)
Posted 9 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two things:
1. Make sure you use the same account (same email address) for all projects.
2. Make sure that at least one computer has all the (affected) projects in the projects list. They don't need to be active.

You can't edit or change the cross project identifier to force it onto yourself. Doing so will just generate a new CPID by one of the projects. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/CPID for more info.
7482) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48566)
Posted 9 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And here I thought that with the move to the colo, this wasn't necessary any more. That they'd have that much power and overhead available to them that they could do the backup while the project was running, just as Einstein does. Oh well... ;-)
7483) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd has authorisation failure 155, but GUI works (Message 48558)
Posted 8 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
boinccmd must run in the same directory as the boinc-client binary.
boinccmd must run under the same account that the boinc-client runs under.

But if you can run BOINC Manager, then why the need for the boinccmd tool?
7484) Message boards : Questions and problems : Server Essentials 2012 (Message 48555)
Posted 8 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes#BOINC_7_incompatible_with_Domain_Controllers
7485) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do i get Boinc to suspend or quit when computer goes onto UPS (Message 48552)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Run on batteries is for laptops and notebooks. It should work when your operating system treats the UPS as an external battery.

But I think it is more a thing for your operating system. When it detects that your computer runs on a UPS, it should start killing applications as soon as possible. There's got to be some control program for the UPS through which you can prioritize which programs should be stopped first. Else see if Windows scheduler has a function like that.

7486) Message boards : Documentation : Error in Release Notes for BOINC 7 (Message 48535)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I missed that. But it's adjusted. It'll also show you how to run without BOINC Manager in an easier way than having to delete a key from the registry.
7487) Message boards : Documentation : Error in Release Notes for BOINC 7 (Message 48532)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, but which release notes are you reading? Care to give a link?
If anything other than http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes, it may not be a Berkeley site that you're reading.

The official user Wiki is at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Main_Page.
7488) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ominous Boinc connection? (Message 48531)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, how about giving some more information? Where do you see this?
Why are you sure it's BOINC that does this? What projects are you attached to? Which BOINC version, on what operating system?

Did you check your system for malware?
7489) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48480)
Posted 2 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.60 Release Candidate available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
This release should fix the communication issues with CPDN.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.59 --> 7.0.60:

  • client: on startup, if new version, arrange to get new project list.
  • client: alphabetize fields in prefs structure.
  • XML parser: return error if string exceeds buffer size.
  • client: when parsing MD5, use 64 instead of 33 char buffer. When the XML parser reads a string, it enforces the buffer size limit BEFORE it strips whitespace. So if a project put whitespaces before or after the MD5, it would fail to parse.
  • MGR: fix crash bug in Simple View preferences dialog.


Available installers:

Windows 7.0.60
- boinc_7.0.60_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.60_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.60
- boinc_7.0.60_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.60_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.60_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.0.60
- boinc_7.0.60_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.60_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7490) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48475)
Posted 2 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless you have "newest first" then they are on page 2 :-)

Depends on the amount of messages you see per page, of course. I see them all on page one, won't see that changed until you hit a thousand posts in this thread, which should be doable in the 3 days of Setilessness. :)
7491) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48473)
Posted 2 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Added in edit: why did several posts just disappear?

They're on page 1?
Why is there a funny name in my signature?

Something to do with BOINCStats. Please ask them. :)
What is the meaning of life?

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7492) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48469)
Posted 2 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
lol, the rules here are so much more lenient than those at Seti. You can yell at me, or other people, as long as you account for the fact that they're then allowed to yell back at you as well, with expletives.

I only banish spammers, and the odd couple. :)
7493) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48450)
Posted 1 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know you have to put up with us nutters for a few days yet ....

Great! Livens up the place around here. You're always welcome, all of you.
7494) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 48432)
Posted 1 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have asked David multiple times whether the Seti server relocation means that the BOINC domain goes off line as well. Haven't had an answer yet. I do know that the BOINC Domain server will be moved as well, to a location down the hill. I just don't know when. A surprise for us all.
7495) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48431)
Posted 1 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, just about have always been here. Started here at the same time I was a (or the) Seti mod. I'd asked Rom to make me a mod here to fight the spammers, he made me a mod over at Seti first, then here. So that was when, somewhere around 2006, 2007?

I found the first thread in which I spoke of asking for moderators. Knowing I was already chatting with Rom at that time, he must've made me 'it' around that time. With Kathryn following some time later. And a flurry of third moderators years after that. ;-)

So this week it'll be 7 years for me to be a moderator around here. Where's my cake?
7496) Message boards : Questions and problems : this application has requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way (Message 48428)
Posted 1 Apr 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since the problem stops when you stop CPDN, you'll have to ask them about it. http://climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/forum_index.php
7497) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc not showing all tasks (Message 48426)
Posted 31 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with showing all tasks by default is that when a user has a large cache of tasks, that chances are high that BOINC Manager will not connect to the client, due to the refresh rate being slower than being able to show the amount of work in cache in real time.
7498) Message boards : Questions and problems : I need a way to fine-tune download/upload back-off period (Message 48416)
Posted 30 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
anyone knows more about this command-line interface? it seems to be not included with default BOINC installation.

You can run the client (boinc.exe) from a command line, with those commands. You can then command the running client further with the BOINCCMD tool (BOINC Command).

BOINC Manager can be run from the command line with arguments as well. Do a boincmgr --help for which ones those are.

I am not going to help out if it's possible and how to circumvent the back-off period. It's there for a reason, so not to put out a massive DDoS on project servers.
7499) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC ignores high priority project (Message 48414)
Posted 30 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
a) Which BOINC?
b) How long has it been doing that?
c) What's the scheduling priority value for LHC and the same value for the unknown other project?
d) How long is the deadline on both projects?
e) How many days worth of work do you ask for?
f) Where's the log with the <cpu_sched_debug/> and <work_fetch_debug/> flags?
g) Does LHC even have work at this time?
h) How much work do you have in cache for either project?
i) Want more questions? :-)
7500) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc use only one of the two GPU (Message 48405)
Posted 30 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, adjusted the MB values, which is all that needed to be adjusted. The rest of the post is still correct. But thanks, shows me I shouldn't be around here until well awoken around 10pm... :P
7501) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc use only one of the two GPU (Message 48403)
Posted 30 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I updated to version 7.0.59, but I get the same log, it won't use my device 0

Please give the 7.0.59 log. That it wasn't used in 7.0.28 was due to a memory detection bug, that was fixed in a later version. BOINC only uses the best GPU according to these priority points:
1 - compute capability
2 - software version
3 - available memory
4 - speed

When one of the identical GPUs is 'detected' to have 8381237MB over the other one only having 2048MB, then the first one is superior and used.

Now, 7.0.59 will have the fix for the memory detection going wrong, and will ignore the <use_all_gpus/> setting wherever it is. But if you state it still doesn't work, we will want to see its new messages, perhaps that something else of the 4 priority points changed.
7502) Message boards : Questions and problems : Minor, but annoying date bug (Message 48381)
Posted 29 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this BOINC FAQ for the solution.
7503) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48374)
Posted 28 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.59 Release Candidate available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
Dear Alpha testers:

BOINC development version 7.0.59 has been released. Please test it as soon as possible. This version has the following changes:

- Fix work-fetch problem that caused resource shares to not be enforced correctly in some cases.

- Fix manager crash on Macintosh.

- Fix problem where computation stops if the system clock is set backward.

This version is a release candidate, so we need to cover the entire test suite. Please do as many tests as you can.

REMINDER: please report positive (success) as well as negative test results.
We require positive results for all tests before releasing a version to the public.

Thanks in advance


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.58 --> 7.0.59:

  • MGR (Win): case-insensitive check for .exe ending of exclusive apps.
  • client: if <dont_check_file_sizes> is set in config, still check for errors (e.g. verify failures) at startup, and reset file if so. Otherwise we'll never recover from those errors.
  • MGR: Downloading images in notices using asynchronous WinInet (Windows Internet I/O) code finally seems to be working for all 3 of us who have tested it.
  • client: code cleanup. Some variable/function/constant names contained "debt" when they actually refer to REC. Change these names to use "rec".
  • client, work fetch: request # instances so that we have enough jobs to use project's share of instances.
  • Remove Beta/Alpha flag for Linux builds.
  • MGR: Revise how CPU Architecture is determined in the about dialog box per Gianfranco's recommendation.


Available installers:

Windows 7.0.59
- boinc_7.0.59_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.59_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.59
- boinc_7.0.59_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.59_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.59_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.0.59
- boinc_7.0.59_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.59_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7504) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL has no affect. (Message 48373)
Posted 28 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want to tell the BOINC developers that they're doing it wrong, register to the BOINC development email list and post it there. But before you do so, and state there as well that each and every application can be used for parallelization, you'd probably do best and pass by on the BOINC Papers, to see how BOINC does things.

Since that won't give you enough information, perhaps that http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwareDevelopment does. You may also want to pass by on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain to see what is actually supported under BOINC, and that when you see something like FORTRAN, that you know, oh oops, never going to work under GPGPU. :-)

There's nothing more for me to say.
7505) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPUs (Message 48371)
Posted 28 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I said elsewhere, BOINC doesn't need to detect if the CPU is OpenCL capable. It already detects the CPU, which is all the information a project needs to send you the correct application (be it 32bit or 64bit). So they should be able to see if your CPU is OpenCL capable, if they need to.

It appears that the Boinc community is under the false impression that OpenCL is an AMD technology developed specifically for AMD GPUs.

Easily countered. Just check http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/apps.php and http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php to see that we don't think that.

However, it's also understandable, since you see all these ati_opencl_* applications and not many nvidia_opencl_* or opencl-intel_gpu applications. Although they are there. This is because Nvidia is still maintaining and improving their CUDA technology, while AMD has given up on their CAL technology and embraced OpenCL. So yes, you will see OpenCL being used on a lot of AMD GPGPUs.
7506) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL has no affect. (Message 48370)
Posted 28 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And before anyone claims Sandy bridge isn't supported (which appears to be a common myth among Windows users/admins), please show sources for hardware specific OpenCL implementations.

The Sandy Bridge CPU is supported. Just the built in HD Graphics GPU that isn't.

OpenCL implementation is not hardware specific, otherwise there's no point of OpenCL; there was cuda, Intel would've made something else and AMD something else.

AMD has made something else, it was called Close to Metal, which later became ATI CAL. All of these ran on GPGPUs specifically.

It doesn't matter if OpenCL is provided by the CPU, GPU, hard disk, monitor, motherbord, keyboard, mouse, touchpad or UPS; cause it's an abstraction layer, and that's the point of the abstraction layer.

For BOINC to be able to recognize if the GPGPU is capable, it'll need to see drivers for this GPGPU. BOINC won't detect if a CPU is OpenCL capable, but it will detect the CPU itself.

However, you can't just run one OpenCL program on any piece of hardware, you will need to specify what kind of hardware it is, even specify which OpenCL revision it can use. This is because the hardware it runs on will be completely different when it's an Intel_GPU, an Nvidia GPU or an AMD GPU, or another coprocessor. The hardware needs to have a decision making processor of kinds, so your motherboard, keyboard, monitor, mouse, hard disk, all fall off. It'll be CPU, GPGPU, coprocessor, possible Network Card, and all need their own drivers, which show OpenCL capability.

Instead of looking forward specifically for GPUs (which makes not sense), boinc should check for libOpenCL.so and after that see if the API is working.

BOINC doesn't look for GPUs, it looks for GPGPUs. As you may have noticed, BOINC does detect your CPU as well. It sends this information to the project, in case the project has some special need for it, like homogeneous redundancy (run tasks on groups of specific hardware and software only, e.g. only Linux vs Linux, or only Intel vs Intel). Then it's up to the science project's scheduler to decide if your CPU is capable (checking against a list of known CPUs that are capable), before they send you either an OpenCL multithreading application or a normal application.

The project uses that same information which contains what the detected GPGPU was, to send you an application specifically for that GPGPU, be it an app that can run on CUDA, OpenCL, Brook+ even for some.

But here's the thing, while most of the applications can be translated into something that can run on all processing cores of a GPGPU, not all of the project applications lend themselves to use all CPU cores on one task at the same time. There have been tests with normal multithreading, a similar form of usage, but only one or two projects are capable of using that technology and then only for a specific application.

So it's not just cut and dried that there needs to be only one OpenCL detection and then by magic all capable hardware in the computer will be able to be used. That's a dream for the future, but really, we're nowhere near that yet.

Just stating that when it doesn't do it the way you think it must go, that it's then a BOINC bug, is wrong. What you will probably want to do first is look at what BOINC actually does, how it does things, and how something like OpenCL is supposed to work.
7507) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL has no affect. (Message 48365)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've sandy bridge with Intel OpenCL SDK installed.

Apropos, the Intel HD Graphics 2000 and 3000 models in the Sandy Bridge CPUs are not OpenCL capable. You require an Ivy Bridge CPU with Intel HD Graphics 2500 and 4000 for that.

The Intel CPU itself is OpenCL capable, but none of the projects have an OpenCL application available for the CPU.
7508) Message boards : GPUs : OpenCL has no affect. (Message 48356)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
To be able to use OpenCL on the Intel GPU built into the Sandy Bridge CPU, projects need to have a science application available for that hardware source. I know of the Lunatics people who are testing out an application at Seti@Home, but as far as I know, they've only got one available for Windows.

So just having BOINC detect OpenCL isn't enough. BOINC is just a managing program, it doesn't do any of the science by itself, that's where the projects come in. And it's those projects their science applications that do all the work.

Also, OpenCL runs on specific hardware sources, such as the ATI/AMD GPUs, the Nvidia GPUs and the Intel GPU built into the Sandy Bridge CPUs. This does not mean that the application for the AMD GPU can run on the Intel GPU. It needs its own specific application, built for the capabilities of the GPU in question.

So you don't have to trawl past the projects that support OpenCL on the AMD GPU, because the AMD OpenCL app doesn't run on Nvidia or Intel GPUs.
7509) Message boards : Questions and problems : centos6 linux boinc-manager problem (Message 48355)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you start BOINC Manager, have you first started the client?
BOINC Manager cannot connect to the client without the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file, so that is needed, however it is first made by the client (the BOINC binary).
7510) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & Win 8 (Message 48337)
Posted 25 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you try this FAQ first, please?

Else, pass by on When requesting and giving help on these forums... to know what kind of information we're looking for.
7511) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Provide screen based creation / changes for configuration files (Message 48336)
Posted 25 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC out of the box should do everything as is, without the need to add any configuration files. These configuration files are only necessary for e.g. giving debug info back, or to fine tune parts of the working of BOINC or a project's application. But then you need to have some understanding of BOINC already, be at a level above a novice, have some understanding of what does what and why it does that.

Added to that, I asked the developers a while ago about adding an option to reread the app_config.xml file, whereupon they answered me that a) this file is only here temporarily, it'll go away again in the future; and b) that they're not going to add anything to the present graphical user interface.

The solution to my request was to piggy-back the reread of the app_config.xml file on the existing Read config file option already in the menu.

Do know that when you add an exclusive application through the present advanced preferences menu, that BOINC then writes a cc_config.xml file with all log flags and options in their default settings in the data directory. Which should help you along, when you put that next to the documentation.
7512) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2 Questions Please (Message 48318)
Posted 23 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've reached the BOINC forums. Here we discuss anything about the BOINC client itself, not so much about the projects.

BOINC is merely a managing program, it doesn't do any of the work it gets sent.
Projects run their science applications that do the work. Examples of projects are Einstein, Climateprediction.net, Seti, World Community Grid.

These projects have their own forums. You can at easiest reach them by opening BOINC Manager->(Tools->Advanced view->)Projects tab->Select any of your projects and then check the left bar, some buttons got activated. In most cases the forums are included in those.

The slow downloads you are experiencing is a side effect of the Seti bandwidth being completely saturated. This is because Seti is the most liked project, it has at any one time around 150,000 hosts that usually all ask and try to download work at the same time. To complain about that, you really have to be on their forums, it is not something that BOINC can or will change.
7513) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem to get WU in Ubuntu 10.04.4 (Message 48316)
Posted 23 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D has all versions past and present.
7514) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem to get WU in Ubuntu 10.04.4 (Message 48314)
Posted 22 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It appears this is a bug in your Linux version.

GridRepublic has a thread on it: http://www.gridrepublic.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=263.msg1039#msg1039
7515) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 for Android Change Log and news (Message 48305)
Posted 21 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.58 available for testing for Android.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, it can happen that changes are missing from the list, or misplaced. There can also be changes happening in the client/manager at general, then these changes are only logged in the General BOINC 7 Change Log thread. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Also see AndroidBOINC To Do for a list of what is done and still needs be done.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.56->7.0.57

  • android: specified gitignore to only exclude boinc and boinccmd binaries from assets.
  • android: added global default preferences.
  • android: improvement of Preferences tab: categories, advanced preferences.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.57 --> 7.0.58:


  • XML parser: when skipping unrecognized elements, don't read them into memory.
  • MGR: Update copyright year.

Available Android Installer:
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.58_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk

7516) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG files remain in memory (Message 48302)
Posted 21 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I added <checkpoint_debug>1</checkpoint_debug> to cc_config.xml. Perhaps I didn't do that correctly?

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<checkpoint_debug>1</checkpoint_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


It's got to be cc_config.xml, check the extension as when you make it in something like Notepad, it'll get the .txt extension. And this file has to be written into the BOINC Data directory, where client_state.xml lives. It's not used when written into the BOINC Programs directory.
7517) Message boards : GPUs : PCIe Bus Saturation (Message 48299)
Posted 21 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The videocard itself always states what its maximum PCIe speed is. So in the case of the AMD 7770 you have an eye on, at Specifications it states PCI Express 3.0 x16 bus interface. PCIe 3.0 is backward compatible with PCIe 2.0 x16 slots.

But yes, since PCIe 1.0a only has a per-lane data rate of 250 MB/s and a transfer rate of 2.5 gigatransfers per second (GT/s), this card's 985 MB/s per lane and 8 GT/s bit rate will overwhelm the transfer of the slot. It may work, but it won't be pretty or fast.
7518) Message boards : GPUs : PCIe Bus Saturation (Message 48297)
Posted 21 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I looked into this and it seems that an x16 card won't physically fit into an x1 slot. There are some people out there on the internet that tell you to cut off the 'not needed' pins from the videocard (DON'T!), or to melt open the back of the PCIe x1 slot, so the x16 can fit (ALSO DON'T!).

But it's probably easier to go find something like this adapter, or just buy a new motherboard with one or more x16 slots. Depending on your budget, and don't forget to check which CPU is in there, you can buy e.g. a 3x PCIe x16 Asrock Z77 Extreme M4 for just AU$114.- (CPU - Supports 3rd and 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7 / i5 / i3 in LGA1155 Package)
7519) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48296)
Posted 21 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.58 Release Candidate available for testing for Linux, Windows, WCG and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.56 --> 7.0.57:

  • client: alphabetize log flags.
  • client: there were many places in the code where we keep track (usually in a static variable called "last_time") of the last time we did something, and we only do it again when now - last_time exceeds some interval.

    Example: sending heartbeat messages to apps.
    -->Problem: if the system clock is decreased by X, we won't do any of these actions are time X, making it appear that the client is frozen.
    -->Solution: when we detect that the system clock has decreased, set a global var "clock_change" for 1 iteration of the polling loop, and disable these time checks if clock_change is set.

  • client: a couple of more clock-change fixes.
  • Client: debug last commit. Also fix bug where benchmarks don't end when clock goes backward.
  • client: updated Windows version identification, from Robert Kress.
  • client and wrapper (Linux): when parsing /proc/x/stat entries, handle command names that contains white space.
  • client: improve work fetch messages.
  • MGR: Add missing static text back to the welcome page for the attach wizard.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.57 --> 7.0.58:


  • XML parser: when skipping unrecognized elements, don't read them into memory.
  • MGR: Update copyright year.


Available installers:

World Community Grid 7.0.58
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/wcg_boinc_7.0.58_windows_intelx86.exe

Windows 7.0.58
- boinc_7.0.58_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.58_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.58
- boinc_7.0.58_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.58_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.58_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.0.58
- boinc_7.0.58_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.58_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7520) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 48292)
Posted 20 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti pre-outage warning:
Matt Lebofsky wrote:
We are moving most of our servers to a colocation facility with better cooling, power, and network, which should improve uptime in general. This procedure will start on Monday, April 1st at 08:00 (PDT) and should take 3 days to complete, during which our entire project will be unavailable.
7521) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC fails in Windows 7 (Message 48291)
Posted 20 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it isn't. BOINC its parts are only written to the BOINC Programs directory, bar boinc.scr which is written to C:\Windows\
7522) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA MBPro GeForce GT 650M (Message 48289)
Posted 20 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If this is a dual-GPU MacBook Pro, then as far as I know, you can't. There is a problem with the CUDA driver, which the BOINC developers have asked Nvidia to fix, but so far they haven't come around to it. So since BOINC 7.0.47, BOINC stops trying to detect CUDA on dual-GPU Mac's. The simplest way there is to remove CUDA from the system.

Most projects that give out GPU applications now have a choice for OpenCL applications as well.
7523) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC fails in Windows 7 (Message 48287)
Posted 20 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're busy getting a new recommended client out, although it's still in testing. You can try the latest alpha though, hot off the press, boinc_7.0.58_windows_intelx86.exe.

It has some fixes towards crashing of the client.
But I do wonder if it isn't to do with your Windows 32bit running with 8GB of RAM. Weird things happen when you do that. The vrfcore.dll mentioned in your crash log is part of the Windows Application Verifier program. Did you ever download and install this? You may want to uninstall it first.
7524) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 48276)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like someone took Einstein down.
19/03/2013 21:26:34 | Einstein@Home | Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
19/03/2013 21:26:37 | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
19/03/2013 21:26:39 | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

Let's hope they don't stay down too long.

Their website writes:
Unable to connect to database - please try again later Error: 2003Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.10.14' (4)

Edit: and they're back already.
7525) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 48272)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And this forum won't be around in the disruption!

Nice... more free time. :)
7526) Message boards : Questions and problems : WCG files remain in memory (Message 48270)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that the tasks checkpointed at least once. When tasks have started, but never checkpointed, they'll stay in memory when BOINC suspends computation.

You can check when/if tasks checkpoint, by setting <checkpoint_debug/> in cc_config.xml
7527) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Provide screen based creation / changes for configuration files (Message 48263)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The user doesn't have to guess, if he uses the documentation at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
7528) Message boards : GPUs : Seti, BOINC 7.0.28 going to 7.0.64/.65/7.2.28 and 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED error on GPU work (Message 48254)
Posted 18 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you've updated to the latest and greatest (release candidate) (alpha) BOINC, coming from BOINC 7.0.28 or before, AND when crunching work on an anonymous platform GPU application (such as the ones from Lunatics), you have a good chance that all your work errs with a 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED error.

This is because of an addition to the code in BOINC 7.0.33, where when you run the anonymous platform and you have not supplied a flops value in your app_info.xml file, that the flops value used for GPU tasks is increased by a factor of 10.

It will only affect old work still in cache from before the upgrade. Any newer work your BOINC downloads, will not be affected.

Two ways to work around this:
1. Before you upgrade, set No New Tasks and run your cache empty. Report all. Then upgrade to the new version and set Allow New Tasks.

2. Done the upgrade with a full cache? Reset the project. This will throw away all present work in cache, but since the project has resend lost work available, your tasks will be resent to you and seen as new work.
7529) Message boards : Questions and problems : Seti, BOINC 7.0.28 going to 7.0.64/.65/7.2.28 and 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED error on GPU work (Message 48253)
Posted 18 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you've updated to the latest and greatest (release candidate) (alpha) BOINC, coming from BOINC 7.0.28 or before, AND when crunching work on an anonymous platform GPU application (such as the ones from Lunatics), you have a good chance that all your work errs with a 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED error.

This is because of an addition to the code in BOINC 7.0.33, where when you run the anonymous platform and you have not supplied a flops value in your app_info.xml file, that the flops value used for GPU tasks is increased by a factor of 10.

It will only affect old work still in cache from before the upgrade. Any newer work your BOINC downloads, will not be affected.

Two ways to work around this:
1. Before you upgrade, set No New Tasks and run your cache empty. Report all. Then upgrade to the new version and set Allow New Tasks.

2. Done the upgrade with a full cache? Reset the project. This will throw away all present work in cache, but since the project has resend lost work available, your tasks will be resent to you and seen as new work.
7530) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1714 (Message 48240)
Posted 16 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this BOINC FAQ.
7531) Message boards : Questions and problems : GTX Titan windows 8 problems (Message 48226)
Posted 15 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It appears that I am wrong. It is my bottom card gtx680 not being detected in BOINC

Already asked before, please post the first 20-30 lines of your start up messages. That way we can see what BOINC is doing.
7532) Message boards : Questions and problems : GTX Titan windows 8 problems (Message 48225)
Posted 15 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In my computer i have two gpu, one gtx titan and one gtx 680.

Primegrid recognizes the other one as a GTX 670.
Sieve started: 267468591000000000 <= p < 267468600000000000
Thread 0 starting
Detected GPU 1: GeForce GTX 670
Detected compute capability: 3.0
Detected 7 multiprocessors.

But since BOINC apparently recognizes the GPU correctly, it's not really a BOINC problem when the project isn't using it.
Coprocessors	NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN (4095MB) driver: 31414

You'll have to complain at the project about that. Start reading in this thread.

7533) Message boards : BOINC client : Cpu project asks for ATI work? (Message 48197)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not the project asking for work, it's BOINC that does so. The standard scheduler will ask for available work for GPU (Nvidia, ATI or intel_gpu) and CPU.

In the case the project does not have a GPU application, BOINC will still ask for work, because for all it knows the project could decide to release a GPU application tomorrow and then the user won't have to do anything about getting work for it. It'll be done automatically.

If well and truly left alone (aka you not doing manual Updates), the GPU work request will eventually back off until it's only done once every 24 hours.
When you see ATI work requests, then this usually means that the project already has an Nvidia application.
7534) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 for Android Change Log and news (Message 48188)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.56 available for testing for Android.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is a new release that removes some trace statements from the event log. Package maintainers will also see updates for command completion scripts and the default man pages.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha

Please report bugs here to boinc_dev at ssl.berkeley.edu.


Thanks in advance.



----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, it can happen that changes are missing from the list, or misplaced. There can also be changes happening in the client/manager at general, then these changes are only logged in the General BOINC 7 Change Log thread. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Also see AndroidBOINC To Do for a list of what is done and still needs be done.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.55->7.0.56
For Change Log, see BOINC 7 Change Log.

Available Android Installer:
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.56_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk
7535) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48187)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.56 Release Candidate available for testing for all platforms.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is a new release that removes some trace statements from the event log. Package maintainers will also see updates for command completion scripts and the default man pages.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha

Please report bugs here to boinc_dev at ssl.berkeley.edu.


Thanks in advance.



----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.55 --> 7.0.56:

  • MGR: Modify the GUI for the Attach to Project Wizard for the World Community Grid version of the client. These changes should make clearer the difference between attaching to a new BOINC project vs changing which applications a user is choosing to run at World Community Grid.
  • MGR: Further modifications to the World Community Grid installer and skin for BOINC 7.
  • MGR: fix build breaks on Win. You can't just say "#elif".
  • client: write log flags in alpha order.
  • client and boinccmd: update usage text.
  • update Unix command completion script.
  • update XML man pages for client, manager, boinccmd.
  • man page tweak.
  • client: removed unused code for old work-fetch logic.
  • client: fix small work fetch bug that caused the client to not add a piggyback work request when it should have.



Available installers:

Windows 7.0.56
- boinc_7.0.56_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.56_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.56
- boinc_7.0.56_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.56_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.56_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.0.56
- boinc_7.0.56_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.56_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7536) Message boards : Questions and problems : New user and want to help (Message 48185)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
To be able to run on the system, you do need some precautions. Running science applications under BOINC will increase the amount of thermal heat that your CPU and possibly GPU will spew out. So your system needs adequate cooling, plus it needs to be cleaned out every so often to get rid of the dust-bunnies.

Added to that, it could also be that your power supply is too low for the machine. But we don't know that without more information on the actual machine, or the messages that your Windows will have recorded about why the computer shut down prematurely.

If you don't want to hunt all that down, I understand.
7537) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to auto update and report projects? (Message 48174)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ready to report and uploading are two different things. Uploading is just moving data from your hard drive to a hard drive at the project. Reporting uses the database, and to keep overhead of the database use low, BOINC will try to report as many tasks as possible in one go, as reporting many at the same time takes as much overhead as reporting a single task. Thus reporting multiple ones is more efficient.

Reporting of tasks happens at:
1) 24 hours before deadline.
2) Connect Every X before deadline.
3) 24 hours after task completion.
4) Immediately if the upload completes later than either 1, 2, or 3 upon completion of the task.
5) On a trickle up message.
6) On a trickle down request.
7) On a server scheduled connection. Used, but I am not certain by which project.
8) On a request for new work.
9) When the user pushes the update button.
10) On a request from an account manager.
11) Report immediately every task, if "No new Task" is set.
12) Report immediately if CPU or network time-of-day override starts in the next 30 minutes. (BOINC 7.0)
13) When minimum work buffer is reached. (BOINC 7.0)
7538) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC + Android (ARMv7 v7l) = Nope. (Message 48173)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answers from the developers:

Rom Walton wrote:
Actually current NativeBOINC state is close to perfection from features point of view. User can "just crunch" with it, not to fight with some missing and bugs. The main issue now is lack of scientific applications ports.


IIRC, the default mode of operation for NativeBOINC is to run all applications as anonymous platform applications. From an eco-system perspective it kind of limits NativeBOINC to running applications that are OSS software.

Now this is probably the result of a chicken/egg problem where projects were not quite as ready to jump on the Android bandwagon. Anonymous platform was the only route left open.

Several projects use software that is not OSS software in nature.

Anyways, we'll be flipping the bit that allows for external memory installs
And see what happens.

According to this (section: android:installLocation) [url]
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/manifest-element.html[/url]

even if the apk file is stored on the SD card, the data directory which allows
for native applications to have the execute bit set, is still setup in internal memory. So it may well be that NativeBOINC and the BOINC package we are putting together have the same limitations as far as phones with smaller memory sizes goes.

Or they may both be operating under a different set of constraints due to how
project applications are installed with the anonymous platform mechanism.

We just need to try and see what happens.


David Anderson wrote:
In BOINC for Android, one of the goals is to dynamically
download and run client applications, as on other platforms.

Android external storage, by default, can't be used for executable files. So the boinc/projects/ directory must be on internal storage.

Notes:

- in principle we could split the project directories:
one part for executables, another for data files. Data files could go on external storage. However, this would be a large rewrite.

- slot directories could go on external storage, but there's no advantage because they just contain links to the project directory.
7539) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 for Android Change Log and news (Message 48168)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.55 available for testing for Android.

Rom Walton wrote:
I've uploaded a new build.

This build has the following fixes:
* Event log has been implemented.
* Event log contents can be emailed by clicking on the action bar.
* Selective upgrades of the core client based on MD5 hash compares.
* Switching to landscape mode no longer causes endless restarts of the core client.
* If Android shuts down the Monitoring service, stop the Monitor Async thread. It was causing the client to be restarted and was preventing the UI process from shutting down.
* boinccmd is included in the android package and can be used in the shell.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, it can happen that changes are missing from the list, or misplaced. There can also be changes happening in the client/manager at general, then these changes are only logged in the General BOINC 7 Change Log thread. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Also see AndroidBOINC To Do for a list of what is done and still needs be done.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.54->7.0.55

  • client (and maybe others): fix XML parsing bug when skipping large unrecognized elements.
  • client: don't show cache size in startup messages.



Available Android Installer:
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.55_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk

7540) Message boards : Questions and problems : 5 jobs running on quad core. (Message 48163)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Version numbers would be nice, for the BOINC version and the VirtualBox version. And when the latter isn't 4.2.8, that you upgrade (as is required by the people at T4T).

But other than that, you don't make clear what you see, or expect to see, or don't see, or want to see. Do you want to run 5 threads on a quad core? Or do you see 5 threads on a quad core?

How many threads is the VM allowed to use?
Are there any multithreading apps in the bunch?
etc.
7541) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC + Android (ARMv7 v7l) = Nope. (Message 48161)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

I've forwarded your posts to the developers.

In the mean time, you may want to look at AndroidBOINC Implementation, AndroidBOINC To Do and possible even Build Android Client and Manager for documentation. And yes, do know that the version presently available is in alpha state. Perhaps even a pre-alpha. It's far from being finished.
7542) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48160)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.55 Release Candidate available for testing for Windows, Linux and Mac.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new release candidate. This release fixes the communication issue with Milkyway@Home and removes the CPU cache size from the message log.

I've updated the BOINC Alpha test result website to include the new build. Please report results as quickly as possible.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/

Please report any bugs to the alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.



----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.54 --> 7.0.55:

  • WINSETUP: When ENABLEUSEBYALLUSERS is true, create the automatic run key in the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE registry space. When it is false use HKEY_CURRENT_USER.
  • client (and maybe others): fix XML parsing bug when skipping large unrecognized elements.
  • client: don't show cache size in startup messages.



Available installers:

Windows 7.0.55
- boinc_7.0.55_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.55_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.55
- boinc_7.0.55_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.55_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.55_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7543) Message boards : BOINC client : seta running slow (Message 48145)
Posted 11 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there, you've reached the BOINC forums. It's BOINC, not Bionic or any other way of spelling.

Seti is a project that has the most contributors and are only allowed to use a maximum of 100Mbit of the dedicated LAN connection of the University of Berkeley, for their upload and download servers. This means that their connection is well and truly saturated most days of the week.

We here at BOINC can't help you out on anything project specific, including how fast downloads come in. It'll be the same speeds for everyone around the globe. The least you can do is complain about it on their own forums, or read what you could possibly change on your computer to speed things up.

If you want to complain, use their HelpDesk forums for now, since you won't have any credit or RAC necessary to post in their main forums.

Or read up on Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication in the Number Crunching forum. You require credit/RAC here if you want to post.

That the pages here were slow earlier was possibly a database problem. I noticed it earlier last evening, but since the domain stayed up, didn't think too much of it. It happens, it's computers.
7544) Message boards : Projects : Two inactive acounts at Seti@home. (Message 48141)
Posted 10 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Of course it doesn't help one thing if those accounts are banished by the Seti moderators. And as they apparently are, we're not going to help you get them back. Take it up with the Seti moderators, there's nothing we can do about it.
7545) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computer Setup Details - Specify LARGE external disk for projects (Message 48129)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the Windows installer, it's in the third screen in the installer, click Advanced and you can specify what path the BOINC Programs and Data directories should go onto.

It can only be done from the installer, so if you have the Windows version of BOINC, you'll need to uninstall and reinstall.

->

If you already have a Data directory with tasks and applications in it, then you can do the following:
1. Uninstall BOINC
2. Move the Data directory to where you want it to go, do the move for the whole BOINC directory, including all files and sub-directories.
3. Install BOINC, making sure that you add the new path to the Data directory in the path as shown above.

And that's then it. The new directory should have the correct permissions and all your data still intact.
7546) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48125)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you also repeat post a netstat -an log with BOINC running as above?
7547) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48122)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, I don't need it as I run from P:/BOINCProgram/BOINC/, all written without spaces. But even then, since it was a Windows shortcut, and not a Batch file or preceded by the CMD command, I didn't think the space mattered. But apparently it does. So thanks for that.

7548) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48119)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I made the changes to the boincmgr shortcut, and now I get a popup that says:

"Unknown long option 'detach_console'

Sigh... well, try without the --detach_console then. Unless they want us to specify it like

C:\program files\boincmgr.exe --gui_rpc_port=31416 --boincargs=detach_console

But I think that'll return an error as well.
So best then just start with: C:\program files\boincmgr.exe --gui_rpc_port=31416

See if the window closes itself on that and that BM now works.

You are running these as a shortcut, don't you? Not as a batchfile (.bat)?
Can you also repeat post a netstat -an log with BOINC running as above?

Furthermore, any security software on your computer that you didn't tell us about? Anti-virus, anti-malware, anti-whatever? If not, never had one either?
7549) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48117)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing I changed was I put quotes around the path in the shortcut:

"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach_console
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe" --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach_console

You shouldn't need the quotes. I sure don't run with them.

Double Cliking on BOINC shortcut did nothing as far as I could see.

In Windows Task Manager, it should show boinc.exe now running.

Double Clicking on BOINC MGR gave me a popup: "Option 'gui_rpc_port' requires a value, '=' expected

Ah yes, stupid me.
The correct line for that is C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe --gui_rpc_port=31416 --detach_console

Again, no quotes needed.

The --detach_console attribute we give it closes the command line window after starting the application. Else it would stay open.
7550) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to view Seti Home graph (Message 48116)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there, you've reached the BOINC forums. For Seti specific questions, please post in the Seti forums at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_help_desk.php.

To see what the Seti screen saver and graphics do, see this Seti FAQ.
7551) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48112)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, at least that shows me that there's nothing on TCP port 31416, the port that BOINC uses to communicate between parts.

So let's just add BOINC and BOINC Manager to the firewall, even if you have it turned off. Windows never completely shuts down the firewall.

DO:
Start->All Programs->Accessories->Right Click Command Prompt->Run as administrator.
In the window that opened type:

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="BOINC Client" dir=in action=allow description="BOINC Client" program="C:\Program Files\boinc.exe" enable=yes
netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="BOINC Manager" dir=in action=allow description="BOINC Manager" program="C:\Program Files\boincmgr.exe" enable=yes

After each line hit Enter.

Make sure the path to boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe is correct as per the version of BOINC you have installed. As said earlier, 64bit Windows reserves the C:\Program Files\ directory tree for 64bit programs only. 32bit programs can be installed here, but not run from the tree. They need to be installed and run from C:\program Files (x86)\

Next help BOINC along to start with the correct port number.
To do so, we're going to start the BOINC client from the command line.

Right click on an open place on your desktop, choose New->Shortcut
In the line that says "Type the location of the item" type C:\program Files\boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach_console and click Next. Type as name for the shortcut BOINC and save it to your desktop.

Next we do the same thing for BOINC Manager. Right click on an open place on your desktop, choose New->Shortcut
In the line that says "Type the location of the item" type C:\program Files\boincmgr.exe --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach_console and click Next. Type as name for the shortcut BOINC Manager and save it to your desktop.

Now (double) click on the BOINC shortcut.
Then (double) click on the BOINC Manager shortcut.

What happens now?
7552) Message boards : Projects : Hiast@Home (Message 48108)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, Syrian test project from 2004? I don't think there's anything done there. They don't even have forums.
7553) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem with 7.0.54 (Message 48105)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I saw that Richard Haselgrove reported it on the BOINC Alpha list as well. We'll see what the outcome is.
7554) Message boards : BOINC client : Problem with 7.0.54 (Message 48103)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No close tag in scheduler reply is a server error. Most probably caused by a lack of an end CRLF after the last tag in the sched_reply*.xml file. I had that at DrugDiscovery@Home. report it at the project, it's not something you can fix.
7555) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48101)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please open a command line window (Start->All Programs->Accessories->Command prompt.)
Next start both BOINC.exe and BOINCMGR.exe
Next open Windows Explorer and check if there's a TMP directory in C:, if there isn't make one. TMP, not TEMP.

Next, in the command line window, type: netstat -an >> C:\tmp\netstat.txt and hit Return.

Next open C:\TMP\netstat.txt and post its contents here without editing anything in it.
7556) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trojans (Message 48100)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the project science applications and what OS they used to make them, what OS stores them, etc. And then what's stored on your computer and could possibly infect other applications.

But if all of the above are Linux, Unix, none, then it's false positives. If you want to be utterly sure though, send them through https://www.virustotal.com/en/. That scans uploaded binaries with 48+ separate scanners. If Virustotal says the binary is clean, it's clean.
7557) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48097)
Posted 7 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of firewall program do you use?
Have you specifically allowed both boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe through the firewall, on the private network?
7558) Message boards : Questions and problems : New with a couple questions (Message 48096)
Posted 7 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there, you've reached the BOINC forums. For Seti specific questions, please post in the Seti forums at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_help_desk.php.

To see how to get the screen saver from moving (although this will then make it easier to burn in on your screen), see this BOINC FAQ.
7559) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 for Android Change Log and news (Message 48095)
Posted 7 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.54 available for testing for Android.

Rom Walton wrote:
I've uploaded a new build.

This build has the following fixes:
* Event log has been implemented.
* Event log contents can be emailed by clicking on the action bar.
* Selective upgrades of the core client based on MD5 hash compares.
* Switching to landscape mode no longer causes endless restarts of the core client.
* If Android shuts down the Monitoring service, stop the Monitor Async thread. It was causing the client to be restarted and was preventing the UI process from shutting down.
* boinccmd is included in the android package and can be used in the shell.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, it can happen that changes are missing from the list, or misplaced. There can also be changes happening in the client/manager at general, then these changes are only logged in the General BOINC 7 Change Log thread. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Also see AndroidBOINC To Do for a list of what is done and still needs be done.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.53->7.0.54

  • Android: Implement item selection and copy selection of event log items.
  • Android: Implement view recycling for event log items. Improves memory usage.
  • Android: Only add new messages to the event log, deleting messages confuses the message selection process. The list will be reset when the volunteer switches tabs.
  • Android: Use CheckedTextView instead of TextView for the messages.
  • Android: Add checkmark attribute to event log row layout.
  • Android: Fine tune EventLog row layout.
  • Android: Ops, forgot about the adapter.
  • Android: More EventLog selection work.
  • Android: Update the list after changing something about the selection state.
  • Android: Setup OnClickListener()?
  • Android: onItemClickListener is what I meant.
  • Android: ListView.isSelected() isn't what I thought it was, use getCheckedItemIds() instead.
  • Android: Make partial selections of event log messages work for email.
  • Android: Last attempt to get copy selection and copy all working correctly for the EventLog.
  • Android: Projects tab makeover, treat it like the EventLog tab.
  • Android: Add Update and Delete buttons for each project listed, only make them visible when the project has been selected.
  • Android: Try invisible instead of gone for setVisibility, the height of the row was changing on selected and non-selected states.
  • Android: Disable the ability of the ImageButtons to intercept click events.
  • Android: Force display of ImageButtons.
  • Android: Hopefully fix layout issues with the projects tab.
  • Android: Position the buttons to the right of the project text.
  • Android: Hook-up project image button event handlers when visible.
  • Android: Hook up the plumbing for the Update/Detech (previously commented out) project operations.
  • Android: Fix service bind exception.
  • Android: Fix service unbind exceptions.
  • Android: Implement projects status information in the projects tab.
  • Android: Move add project functionality to the options menu. Frees up screen space for the project list.
  • Android: Remove reference to on screen add project button.
  • Android: Remove dead code.
  • Android: Quick experiment to see if changing the default visibility of the project action buttons to gone is better.
  • Android: Update the transfers tab. Implement retry and abort commands in the UI. Calculate the transfer speed and progress the same way as the desktop UI does. Display the same status information the desktop UI does.
  • Android: Move translateRPCStatus to BOINCUtils.java. Remove duplicate code from list adapters.
  • Android: Remove the "0" from the float width specifier, apparently 0 is omitted in Java. This caused a MissingFormatWidthException.
  • Android: Possibly fix button visibility when a transfer is actually clicked on.



Available Android Installer:
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.54_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk

7560) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 48094)
Posted 7 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.54 Release Candidate available for testing for all platforms.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new build out to test. We believe this is a new public release candidate. Please log your test results as soon as possible.

Please note: The types of bugs that will prevent a public release are those types which do not require changes to or additions of an extra configuration file(s). We will continue to address bugs as they are reported to us. I just wanted to let you know in advance that certain types of bugs will not prevent a public release as they will not affect the majority of people.

This release should resolve the following issues:
* Crashes in the manager when images are included with notices.
* Reread app_config.xml when the 'Read config file" menu option is selected in the advanced view.
* The background to the simple view buttons are now properly transparent (reported by WCG)
* WIN: Windows setup now properly stores configuration options for future installs.
* WIN: Client crashes should no longer happen when powering up the machine from hibernation.

Please report all bugs to this email list and report test results to
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, but it can happen that changes in the list are missing, or misplaced. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.52 --> 7.0.54:

  • MGR: SimpleGUI: Make the Notices/Suspend/Resume/Help button borders transparent. The other buttons will take a bit more work.
  • WINSETUP: Fix the launch manager and tray functionality at the end of setup. (Applied to WCG.ism)
  • client (Android and other Unix without shmget()): Don't write spurious messages to stderr about shmem operations not being supported.
  • MGR: Limit event log to 2000 messages, deleting oldest if necessary.
  • MGR: Make my recent Event Log changes a little more robust. (Charlie)
  • client: show error notice if a GPU exclusion (in cc_config.xml) has an invalid URL, type, or app.
  • client: show nvidia driver version as 314.07 instead of 314.7
  • scheduler and web: store OpenCL version along with other GPU info in host.serialnum. Display it on web.
  • include OpenCL info when faking an NVIDIA GPU.
  • MGR: Simple View slide show area should be a fixed size.
  • MGR: Center the Simple View slide show area, fix wrapping of project description text when project has no slide show.
  • Client: on read_cc_config() GUI RPC, reread app_config.xml files as well as cc_config.xml
  • Attempt to fix appearance of Simple View buttons on Windows.
  • MGR: Fix a minor glitch rendering corners of backgrounds of Task and Project areas in Linux Simple View.
  • MGR: patch to change temporaries to long. Fixes [trac]#1226[/trac] (From: Alyssa Milburn) Thanks Gianfranco Costamagna.
  • WINSETUP: Remove RCSID tags from files.
  • MGR: Add missing template files.
  • client: Add some missing test files.
  • MGR: Add missing header file for VS Intellisense population of wxWidgets class information.
  • Add inert script file.
  • client: change work fetch policy to work better with GPU exclusions scale amount of work request by (# non-excluded instances)/#instances.

    --> change policy:
    old: don't fetch work if #jobs > #non-excluded instances.
    new: don't fetch work if # of instance-seconds used in RR sim work_buf_min * (#non-exluded instances)/#instances

  • client: add --suppress_net_info cmdline option.
  • client/manager: isspace() throws an exception on Win for non-ASCII chars. Check isascii() first.
  • client, work fetch policy. Change policy for projects w/ GPU exclusions.
  • client (FreeBSD): detect running on batteries; from rustyBSD.
  • client: add <fetch_on_update> config option; requests work when you update a project even if it's not highest priority.
  • MGR: Limit event log to 2000 messages, deleting oldest if necessary.
  • MGR: Make the flags to InternetReadFileEx() match those of InternetOpen(). Mixed flags can cause unpredictable results.
  • MGR: if InternetReadFile() sets ERROR_IO_PENDING error, we need to call it again to get the next chunk of data.
  • client: parse <fetch_on_update> config flag, and show it on startup.
  • MGR: Fix memory leaks, add debug fprintf's trying to find cause of crashes when retrying load of images in notices.
  • MGR: don't show DCF in project properties page if it's 1.
  • build: Add -Wcast-align to list of compiler warnings we are interested in. It'll help prevent crashes in CPU Architectures that are strict on there alignment policies. (From: Jeffrey Walton).
  • client: Revert my changes for the --detach_console functionality back to the original implementation.
  • MGR: Remove temporary debugging fprintf's.
  • MGR (and possibly other components): XML parsing fix.
  • MGR: Remove temporary debugging fprintf's - missed one line before.
  • MGR: Disable the download of image files for now. Revisit policy after the next public release.



Available installers:

Windows 7.0.54
- boinc_7.0.54_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.54_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.54
- boinc_7.0.54_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.54_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.54_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.0.54
- boinc_7.0.54_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.54_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7561) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 48091)
Posted 7 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've been following this thread since its inception and I must state that you are a frustrating person to help. Look, the people who have tried to help you so far, I commend them for it, but as you continue to post non-info back at them, I'm sure you'll find that eventually all help will dry up.

And here's the thing, the guys trying to help you aren't the ones having the problem. You have the problem, so you will have to inform the people trying to help you with all possible details on what you did. Even if that means that you post a step by step course of the things that you tried.

I see the last Claggy posted was advising you to uninstall the 32bit version of BOINC and install the 64bit version. Nothing in your post following his shows which version you tried. Perhaps that it's all clear for you, but here's the thing, we're not in the same room as you when you do things, we don't see what you do. You will have to tell us. If not, expect help to taper off and you being stuck with the problem until luck plays out.
7562) Message boards : GPUs : GPU cruncing with 3D acceleration under Ubuntu Linux (Message 48064)
Posted 6 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forum description: Issues involving Graphics Processing Units. Most of the threads here deal with problems, yes. Just posting that you can do something, without explaining in-depth any further than just that happens in approximately one every 2.3 million posts. It's not as if there's any clue for novices about the post that it's him telling here's how you do that.
7563) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running BOINC on Condor cluster as a submitted task (Message 48063)
Posted 6 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Start here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CondorBoinc
7564) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & Win 8 (Message 48048)
Posted 5 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
More information, please. Error messages, warnings from Windows Event Viewer?
How does it refuse to run, is UAC in the way, what if you make it more lenient? How did you install BOINC, as a service or as a user? You will have to be as eloquent as possible for us to know what happens on your system, we're not looking over your shoulder.
7565) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't get OProject to start (Message 48047)
Posted 5 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you are not the project administrator of the OProject, then you won't be able to start the upload or Download server. It's not something the volunteers can do for themselves.
7566) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 48033)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please disable your signature when posting in this thread. It's not that difficult to do and it helps a great deal when trying to follow this thread from things like mobile phones.

You can still edit your post and uncheck 'add my signature to this thread'.

Oh and those goes for everyone reading and posting in this thread.
7567) Message boards : Questions and problems : Preferences when to use GPU - problem (Message 48013)
Posted 2 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it is one case, but you can use the "Exclusive applications" tab in the preferences to stop calculations during this video app is running.
Did you test it ?

I did and it does work on my system.

16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [---] [task] Suspending computation - an exclusive app is running
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Preempting 29dc12ad.3365.204937.5.10.103.vlar_1 (left in memory)
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for 29dc12ad.3365.204937.5.10.103.vlar_1 from suspend
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Preempting 29dc12ad.3365.204937.5.10.233.vlar_0 (left in memory)
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for 29dc12ad.3365.204937.5.10.233.vlar_0 from suspend
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Preempting 28dc12ag.21767.18881.11.10.246.vlar_1 (left in memory)
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for 28dc12ag.21767.18881.11.10.246.vlar_1 from suspend
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [Einstein@Home] [cpu_sched] Preempting p2030.20120506.G43.58-01.84.N.b4s0g0.00000_3208_0 (removed from memory)
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [Einstein@Home] [task] task_state=QUIT_PENDING for p2030.20120506.G43.58-01.84.N.b4s0g0.00000_3208_0 from request_exit()
16-Feb-2013 20:29:42 [---] Suspending network activity - an exclusive app is running


But imagine that user don't have enough powered graphic card : There is no way to stop use of GPU because the Activity menu "Suspend GPU" is not efficient : Projects continue using it.

I think it is a bug.

Then tell the project to stop the use of your GPU. On the project's preferences page, e.g. on Seti, you'll see "Preferences for this project SETI@home preferences", click that and you'll find all these options.

If you only want to use the CPU on such a project, set these three like this:
Use CPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ yes
Use ATI GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ no
Use NVIDIA GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ no

Make sure you also change "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" to no (unchecked).

Since this is a project specific preference, you will have to set this per project. It isn't a global preference. Not all projects use GPU applications yet.

There's one other option, and that's through the cc_config.xml file. And since you already found the documentation on the client configuration file, thumb through it looking for <no_gpus>
7568) Message boards : Questions and problems : Preferences when to use GPU - problem (Message 48012)
Posted 2 Mar 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I also have a similar issue under Win7. What I like to do is disable GPU use when the computer is in use the same way as it can be configured with the CPU. I am fine with Boinc using the GPU when I am not using the system, but it is rather cumbersome to always first disable GPU useage, use my system, and then enable it again.
How would I go about proposing this as an enhancement for future Boinc versions?

By default, when you install BOINC for the very first time, without ever having it installed on your system, its preferences state that it should only run on the CPU and GPU when the system is idle (no mouse and keyboard input for so many minutes).

If this behaviour has ever changed, then you, or someone with access to BOINC on your computer, has changed this yourself.

BOINC comes with global preferences that you can set at any of the projects that you added. Seeing how everyone around here seems to have Seti added, let's go to http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php, which is Your Account at Seti. You need to be logged in to see the page.

When you get there, you'll find "When and how BOINC uses your computer Computing preferences". Click that and the second top most two preferences are:
Suspend work while computer is in use? and Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?

Check that both are set to Yes, or that CPU is set to No and GPU Yes. Whatever you wish. You only have to change these at one project, they will propagate automatically to other projects.

If these both are set to e.g. Yes and No and it still doesn't do this, then you're using the local preferences. These preferences override all of the same online set preferences. In that case go in BOINC Manager->Tools->Computing preferences->Processor Usage, and make sure that at least "Use GPU when computer is in use" is not checked.
Alternatively, if you want to force BOINC to use the web preferences, click the Clear button. This will clear the use of the local preferences (but not the exclusions).

If you feel you have more questions about BOINC, or think you found something everyone overlooked in the 14 years that BOINC is now dabbling about, don't hesitate to ask or make a point of it. Although you may want to check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Main_Page first, that's the User Manual wiki. It won't have all and everything ever written about BOINC in it, but it sure does pack some.
7569) Message boards : News : BOINC servers down 22-24 February (Message 47968)
Posted 25 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anita, please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain for details on that.
7570) Message boards : BOINC client : project is not highest priority... (Message 47954)
Posted 24 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you read your own logs? What do you think that Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server means? Have you not noticed that Seti has had an expected power outage for 2 days, and that they have only just been back and thus that it will take several hours if not days before things go status quo there?

Restarting a project's servers isn't akin to restarting your PC. other than that you do so on both by pressing a power button, all similarities are out.

As for the message of the project not being the highest priority, this is the highest priority in work fetch. One of the other project will have a higher priority for work fetch, you can see which one that is when you enable the <work_fetch_debug/> flag in cc_config.xml

BOINC 7.0 will only fetch work from different projects when you set separately that the CPU should work only on project A and the GPU only on project B. It will no longer fetch work for all allowed projects, or at least that's how I understand that the changes have been. It'll run the projects one after another, and fetch work only for the project that has the highest fetch priority according to same average of work done on the same hardware resource.

English lesson: It isn't cue, it's queue. A cue is the stick that you play billiards and snooker with. A queue, although pronounced the same, is a row of things, like cars waiting for an accident to clear, or in this case tasks waiting to run. It's not que either, as that's Spanish for "what?"
7571) Message boards : Questions and problems : Will BOINC wear down my computer? (Message 47905)
Posted 21 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
ps .. Could you reply in English please. I cannot not read your above response to the Other Users Message (so could you also Edit That reply and Post it in Englis below the current one).

He did post in English. What you're probably looking at is his signature, which is in Latin and means approximately Those who hurry cross the sea change the sky [upon them], not their souls or state of mind
7572) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 47893)
Posted 21 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
This will affect the BOINC domain and thus these forums as well. Oh my, all weekend to play Crysis 3. :-)

Coming SETI outage
Lab-wide Power Outage This Weekend (Feb 22-24)
Once again we are going offline due to electrical repairs in our entire building. We plan to come down Friday afternoon (15:00 local time) and be back up by Sunday afternoon (12:00 local time). All SETI servers will be unreachable during that span. 19 Feb 2013, 23:58:59 UTC

7573) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 for Android Change Log and news (Message 47888)
Posted 21 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.53 available for testing for Android.

Rom Walton wrote:
I've uploaded a new build.

This build has the following fixes:
* Event log has been implemented.
* Event log contents can be emailed by clicking on the action bar.
* Selective upgrades of the core client based on MD5 hash compares.
* Switching to landscape mode no longer causes endless restarts of the core client.
* If Android shuts down the Monitoring service, stop the Monitor Async thread. It was causing the client to be restarted and was preventing the UI process from shutting down.
* boinccmd is included in the android package and can be used in the shell.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, it can happen that changes are missing from the list, or misplaced. There can also be changes happening in the client/manager at general, then these changes are only logged in the General BOINC 7 Change Log thread. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.52->7.0.53

  • Android: Don't restart the main activity on an orientation change. This prevents the monitor service from being restarted.
  • Android: Update build scripts (include a pointer back to the wiki documentation).
  • Android: Attempt to move the BOINC Monitor into its own process space.
  • Android: Revert previous configuration change. All the activities to the edu.berkeley.boinc package have to be configured for remote binding.
  • Android: First attempt at implementing the messages tab.
  • Android: Android is throwing a null reference exception when trying to create the MsgsActivity?, hopefully it is because I forgot the override tags.
  • Android: After looking at the outer exception, it became obvious I had the wrong control id.
  • Android: Make sure there are messages to display.
  • Android: Switch to a table layout instead of just a list layout. The list layout didn't align the columns.
  • Android: Revert back to the ListView for the time being.
  • Android: Java measures Unix time in milliseconds, BOINC in seconds. Multiply BOINC's timestamp for messages by 1000.
  • Android: Try a more friendly layout for displaying messages on small screens.
  • Android: Implement an option menu so the message log can be sent to somebody by email.
  • Android: Connect up the email to menu item to some code that will actually launch an email client to send the message.
  • Android: Formatting fixes for the email message.
  • Android: Use the white email icon instead of the black one.
  • Android: Rename message log to event log.
  • Android: Update manifest to reflect the message log to event log name change.
  • Android: Change the startup logic so that it can detect if the client needs to be stopped and upgraded based on MD5 hashes.
  • Android: Use the actual MD5 instead of the class string.
  • Android: Use the compareTo string function to compare the two MD5 hashes.
  • Android: Attempt to track down why the client is no longer starting up.
  • Android: Remove code that was causing a null reference exception.
  • Android: It is always the simple bugs that get ya.
  • Android: In cases where Android wants the Monitor service to shutdown, bring the ClientMonitorAsync thread down before leaving OnDestroy(). ClientMonitorAsync would continue on and bring everything back up.
  • Android: Use join() instead of wait() when waiting for a thread to finish execution. Wait causes an exception without some form of lock.
  • Android: Don't use join either, it causes Android to throw some sort of ANR exception from the ActivityMonitor. Apparently there is a time limit on the execution of the onDestroy() method.



Available Android Installer:
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.53_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk


7574) Message boards : Questions and problems : Has anyone gotten X86 Solaris 10 BOINC client working? (Message 47886)
Posted 21 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, you can't just join any project with that OS. You'd have to check the project's applications page to see which apps they support, or look for a third party (anonymous platform) application for those projects as well.
7575) Message boards : Questions and problems : Has anyone gotten X86 Solaris 10 BOINC client working? (Message 47878)
Posted 20 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Same site that you got the client from has executables for Seti.
See http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/SETI%40home%20applications.html, Solaris/OpenSolaris Binaries.

These then run through the anonymous platform. All you have to do is add the files in any of the archives into your BOINC\Projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\ directory and start the client.

See the Doc directory in the archive.

The reason behind this is this, Seti (and most other projects, really) only has default applications for the most used OSes: Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. The project can't afford to make a binary of their science application(s) for each and every OS out there, so they released their source code that users can make a working binary out of for their OS of choice. Which is what happened here.
7576) Message boards : BOINC client : project_attach error :invalid url:URL (Message 47872)
Posted 20 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is the XXXXXX a real internet URL, or an IP address?
Are you trying to use this BOINC client on the same server that you run the BOINC server on?
7577) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7 for Android Change Log and news (Message 47860)
Posted 19 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.52 available for testing for Android.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Joachim separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins, it can happen that changes are missing from the list, or misplaced. There can also be changes happening in the client/manager at general, then these changes are only logged in the General BOINC 7 Change Log thread. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.50

  • Add support for four threads to the Android drain battery application.
  • Initial code drop from Android BOINC (http://github.com/novarow/AndroidBOINC).
  • android: deletion of architecture try-outs.
  • android: AIDL interface for project applications.
  • android: rudementary project app, layouts missing.
  • android: BOINC multi project manager capabilities.
  • android: file permission fix.
  • android: Use the executable name 'boinc' instead of boinc_client. It tracks with what we are doing with the self extracting archive and the other platforms.
  • android: adjust default android toolchain location so that it isn't deleted after a reboot.
  • android: bug fix for shell scripts.
  • android: more bug fixes.
  • fix Android compile warnings.
  • android: commit shell scripts to build uppercase and wrapper for use on Android.
  • android: bug fix for build scripts.
  • android: modify makefile to get around build errors when building for android.
  • android: lets try this a different way.
  • android: round three of makefile fixes for wrapper on android.
  • android: ugh, one more time.
  • android: another time.
  • android: pthread is bundled within the Android libc implementation. We do not need to specify it as an external lib.
  • android: order dependent.
  • android: Fix the example app compile on Android.
  • android: raise minimum api level for native code components to 9 (Ansroid 2.3), this solves the timezone issue when compiling the wrapper. Next level up is 14 which is Android 4.0. UI components are already at level 10.
  • android: -layout multi project and other optimizations\n -redesign of start up\n -autostart code now in BootReceiver.
  • android: project attach bug fix.
  • android: Deploy the CA Bundle along with the BOINC client, the BOINC client should detect the CA Bundle file in the current directory and use it for SSL connections.
  • android: Add execute permissions to shell scripts.
  • wrapper: use waitpid() instead of wait4(), which is missing on Android.
  • client: (android) add wifi location of Android 4 devices to detect wifi state properly.
  • android: kill client process on startup to allow update.
  • android: bugfix in preferences tab.
  • android: rename of preferences.
  • android: deletion of unused components.
  • android: Add environment variables for CC and CFLAGS. The regex stuff in the wrapper was using the Linux(x86) compiler instead of the Android (ARM) cross-compiler.
  • android/BOINC/: rename of MainActivity to BOINCActivity.
  • android/BOINC/: getVersionCode added to AIDL.
  • android/BOINC/: reduce import warnings.
  • android/ProjectApp/: rename of MainActivity to ProjectExampleMainActivity.
  • android/ProjectApp/: updated to latest IClientRemoteService.aidl
  • client: Basic detection of how much capacity a host's battery has on Android and Windows.
  • client (Android): Don't compute if the battery is overheated. Don't compute until the batter is 95% charged.
    Then stop computing if it falls below 90%. (On some devices, computing causes the batter to drain even while it's recharging).
  • client (Android): suspend processing if battery temperature > 45 C. We can adjust this or make it configurable later.
  • client: Fix typos for Android.
  • client: Removed unused variables on Android wifi detection.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.50->7.0.51


  • client (Android): change battery-status function so that it keeps file descriptors open (slight simplification and performance enhancement).
  • client: Adjust logging on Android so that all messages that show up in the event log are also dumped to LogCat?, things were originally setup with that intent but I don't think VA_ARGS was having the desired effect.
  • Android: Enable the package for debugging.
  • Android: Enable the use of landscape mode for viewing the UI.
  • Android: Enable the messages tab.
  • Android: Move the projects tab so that it appears before the task tab.
  • Android: Rename the settings tab to preferences.
  • client: Fix typo for Android builds.
  • Android: Fix the use of ca-bundle.crt on Android. We ended up copying the BOINC client instead of the bundle.
  • Android: Okay, really move the projects tab in front of the tasks tab.
  • Android: Launch the core client in daemon mode which automatically redirects stdout and stderr to files. Useful for debugging.
  • Android: Add trace statements to track down battery issues.
  • Android: Add suspend reason text for when the battery is charging or overheating.
  • Android: Remove debug code for Android, the required functions are called and function.
  • Android: Remove separate copy_asset.sh script and make that the last part of the build_boinc.sh script.
  • Android: Fix path issue for copying assets.
  • Android: Another try and the path issue.
  • Android: Fix crashing bug when we poll for battery information.
  • Android: Add different locations that can host battery information.
  • Android: For all power/battery file descriptors, NULL out their buffers so the client will grab the latest information and not recycle the old information.
  • Android: Initialize variable.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.51->7.0.52


  • Android: Use a 96x96 image for the BOINC icon on Kindle Fire and other high-res devices.



Available Android Installers:
- boinc_7.0.50_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk
- boinc_7.0.51_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk
- boinc_7.0.52_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk

7578) Message boards : Questions and problems : Most of my hosts have stopped processing (Message 47855)
Posted 19 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Always check the project news first and its forums second. In this case, at Rosetta:
Feb 18, 2013
One of the R@H servers stopped for a while and this caused quite a traffic jam for all the results coming back from all of you. We've brought things back online and the queue is slowly clearing. Sorry for the bother. R@H-IT

7579) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 47741)
Posted 14 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.52 available for testing for all platforms.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.48 --> 7.0.52:

  • MGR: fix some compile warnings on Unix.
  • client: Basic detection of how much capacity a host's battery has on Android and Windows.
  • client: show "%" correctly in messages from scheduler.
  • client: Fix typo.
  • client: job scheduler tweak to avoid CPU idleness in situation where GPU jobs use different CPU fractions.
  • client: work fetch: if there are idle devices, we need to ask the highest-prio project for work for all of them (don't scale by the fetchable resource share!). This should fix some device starvation problems.
  • client: Fix typo from previous commit.
  • client: fix more typos.
  • client (Unix): check whether VBoxManager is executable by us before trying to run it. Otherwise we get lots of msgs in stderr.
  • Manager: right-justify task deadline in advanced view. (Android?)
  • Fix wild card in Exclusive Apps dialog for Linux (from Gianfranco Costamagna).
  • client: Properly return the battery status as full when it is. (Android + laptop)
  • client: suspend_reason is not a bitmap; fix code that acted like it is.
  • WINSETUP: Fix the launch manager and tray functionality at the end of setup.



Available installers:

Windows 7.0.52
- boinc_7.0.52_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.52_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.52
- boinc_7.0.52_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.52_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.52_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux 7.0.52
- boinc_7.0.52_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.52_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

[b]Android[/b}
- http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.52_arm-android-linux-gnu.apk

7580) Message boards : Server programs : couldn't resolve host name (Message 47708)
Posted 10 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're trying to run the client on the same machine that the server runs on. I don't think that's possible. But not sure. So please, follow the advice in this thread.
7581) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc manager 7.0.28 wont connect- Windows 7 64bit (Message 47703)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, if the log files are blank, at least the next thing won't hurt then.
Please uninstall BOINC.
Manually delete the BOINC Data directory. It'll be a hidden directory at C:\ProgramData\BOINC\

Now do something funny and get either 7.0.47 or 7.0.48 to test with.
Install any of these BOINC versions.

See what that does. You will have to reattach to any project you were part of, since as you deleted your data directory the connect files for that are now lost.

Oh and please, be as eloquent about what you do and see as you can possibly be, even if it means that you write down per step what you did. It's very difficult to diagnose your exact steps from one sentence of 15 words.
7582) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 47694)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Notice

I'll only be logging the changes to the clients for PC and Macintosh here. I will not log changes for the Android versions that will be released from now on as well. I just don't have the time to do so.

Augustine has told me he's willing to do the change log for the Android clients. So thank you for that.
7583) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 47689)
Posted 8 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Its still requesting nvidia task and running them. Any time frame on a fix for this?

You'll have to show this in a log. And then one with log_flags <cpu_sched_debug> and <work_fetch_debug> on.

Like so:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
<client_version_check_url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/download.php?xml=1</client_version_check_url>
<client_download_url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/download.php</client_download_url>
<network_test_url>http://www.ibm.com/</network_test_url>
<start_delay>10</start_delay>
<max_file_xfers>16</max_file_xfers>
<max_file_xfers_per_project>16</max_file_xfers_per_project>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org</url>
<type>nvidia</type>
</exclude_gpu>
</options>
</cc_config>

If you really mean to be using a beta version, you should update to 7.0.48 as well. Download links available in the change log thread.
7584) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 47688)
Posted 8 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.48 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.47 --> 7.0.48:

  • client: message tweak.
  • MGR: Properly handle the back button on the wizard page that asks for credentials. We'll need to revisit this issue for cookie and automatic attach situations though.
  • MGR: Fix class name collision with MemFSHashObj in fs_mem.cpp in wxWidgets which caused Manager crashes.
  • MGR: Fix assert when all_projects_list.xml file is missing.
  • client: check return value of the function (statfs or statvfs) used to find disk space and usage. This may be failing for in-memory filesystems on Linux.
  • WINSETUP: Switch to using ENABLEPROTECTEDAPPLICATIONEXECUTION3 instead of ENABLEPROTECTEDAPPLICATIONEXECUTION2.
  • WINSETUP: Explicitly use certain values for boolean flags instead of using the output of the UI controls. Avoids confusing values in the registry.
  • WINSETUP: Switch ISM files to use ENABLEPROTECTEDAPPLICATIONEXECUTION3.
  • SETUP: Update the all projects list for Windows/Mac? installs.



Available installers:

Windows 7.0.48
- boinc_7.0.48_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.48_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh 7.0.48
- boinc_7.0.48_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.48_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.48_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7585) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resources regarding BOINC security/sandboxing/etc (Message 47687)
Posted 8 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Emails about events like thread subscriptions and getting PMs works on my account, so I would assume they do on yours. But only when you have actually subscribed to your thread --it's a separate action, you have to do it, you're not automatically subscribed to threads you make yourself-- and you have set to be emailed about it in your forum preferences (top option).

I have PMed you about your other question.
7586) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Password (Message 47686)
Posted 8 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am assuming that Boinc 7 would have the same option. Can you confirm that it does?

Yes, it does. Third screen in the installer, click Advanced. Bottom option should be checked.
7587) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc manager 7.0.28 wont connect- Windows 7 64bit (Message 47681)
Posted 7 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It works on my machine, Windows 7 64bit Ultimate with even BOINC 7.0.48 (latest alpha).

Could it be a design flaw? Nah, for then hundreds, if not thousands of people are on here yelling at us that it doesn't work. Thus far, it's only you. So it's something local, on your machine. And you even prove it, because it works on your one machine, but just not the other. So not a design flaw but really something local.

You'll just have to figure out what.
Hints: Anti virus, anti-malware, (as already suggested firewall), some update that your one computer got but the other didn't, a driver that's in the way, you having changed some piece of hardware (like a videocard) but you neglected to uninstall the old drivers for the hardware you took out. Etc.

Check in the stderr*.txt files in your BOINC Data directory for clues.
Check in the Windows Event Viewer for clues.
7588) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Password (Message 47679)
Posted 7 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
.. and also that problem only occurs when I am using a 2nd identity in Windows 7.

Did you allow the 2nd user to control BOINC? It's an option in the BOINC installer.
7589) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Password (Message 47677)
Posted 7 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not in BOINC, as such, but in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in your BOINC Data directory.

By default BOINC makes up a 32 character hexadecimal password that it stores in this file. If you ever change the password, only change the first line, do not end the password with a CRLF, as that'll give problems as well.

Mind, to make BOINC Manager connect to the client, you don't need to fill in the name or password. Leaving both fields empty should make BM connect to the client without any fuss.

You do need to allow BM and the client through your firewall though, so that they can communicate with each other.
boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe require access to TCP port 31416
boinc.exe separately requires internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443.
7590) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 47676)
Posted 7 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please do not cross-post. I answered in your own thread.
7591) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc manager 7.0.28 wont connect- Windows 7 64bit (Message 47675)
Posted 7 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Add both boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe as exceptions to your firewall.
boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe require access to TCP port 31416
boinc.exe separately requires internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443.

When using Windows firewall, you don't have to set the port numbers, just allow them on the Home/Private network.
7592) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 47664)
Posted 6 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If I take the brackets off (what someone else gave me too) then I get the red error message saying it can't parse exclude command.

Can you please show the error message for that from your event log?

David Anderson writes:
[...] is used in the documentation to indicate that an element is optional.
7593) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't start (Message 47663)
Posted 6 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may be able to understand the messages in that listing better than I, but I think those lines which mention "Restarting task" were caused because I was changing the "Do work after idle for" option backwards and forwards to see what happened and it had been set to 0.

If between Tue 05 Feb 2013 19:54:31 GMT and Tue 05 Feb 2013 21:25:32 GMT your computer was not in use, then you have the normal idle bug that's been fixed in 7.0.29

But having said that, under Linux it's very difficult to get the idle function to work correctly, especially so between distros. You don't say which BOINC you used, installed by Berkeley installer, or gotten from repo. I suspect the latter, since it is the 7.0.27 version which is severely bug ridden, and we keep wondering why package maintainers like this version so much.

See if your repository has a newer (beta) version of BOINC available. Anything from 7.0.29 and past it.

Unless you meant to say that you can fill in zero at "Do work after idle for", but in most cases in BOINC, when you fill in zero, you tell BOINC not to use the option. I suspect that's the same here.
I'm sorry I don't understand this sentence.

You said in your first post BOINC runs if I set "Do work after idle for" to 0 minutes. In most preferences in BOINC, such as e.g. the "Suspend work if CPU usage is above X%", when you set it to zero you disable it. It's then set to run always. I think that's the same with "Do work after idle for 0 minutes" as zero minutes is essentially saying "disable this option and work always".
7594) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 47658)
Posted 6 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Primegrid pre-outage warning.

Upcoming PrimeGrid Down Time
The BOINC server move is TENTATIVELY scheduled for Saturday, February 9th.

We are planning on moving PrimeGrid's BOINC system (www.primegrid.com) to a new server this coming Saturday, February 9th. The exact time of the move has not yet been determined. PrimeGrid's web server, forums, and BOINC will be down for as much as 24 hours while the transition is occurring.

The PRPNet server (prpnet.primegrid.com) will NOT be moving on Saturday, so the PRPNet ports and web pages should not be affected. PRPNet will move at a later, as yet undetermined date. PRPNet ports that will be eventually be affected when the PRPNet server is moved are: GCW, Primorial, Factorial, GFN32768, GFN65536, 27, and 121.

The PrimeSearchTeam forums, used for manual sieving, will not be affected and should remain up during the outage, as will the upload and download servers for manual sieving.

http://www.primegrid.com/
7595) Message boards : Questions and problems : WHS2011 - will not use GPU (Message 47657)
Posted 6 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've never seen that error before, and can't find it in the source code. So I'll have to ask the developers.
7596) Message boards : Questions and problems : strage behaving of Boinc (Message 47656)
Posted 6 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, you mean that your terminal window stays open. Run the client as such and the terminal window will close: ./run-client --daemon
7597) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 47655)
Posted 6 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Question, does your cc_config.xml contain that piece of the exclude_gpu as you show it?
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org</url>
[<type>nvidia</type>]
</exclude_gpu>

I ask as the XML that BOINC uses won't know what to do with those square brackets and so it'll throw an error and not use anything in between them.
So make sure that your code looks like this:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<exclude_gpu>
<url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org</url>
<type>nvidia</type>
</exclude_gpu>
</options>
</cc_config>


but it keeps retrieving nvidia tasks, despite it being excluded (see log below).

2/5/2013 7:45:11 PM | World Community Grid | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA and ATI

All that you show us from your log is that work is being asked for Nvidia, not whether or not your BOINC still gets it from WCG. So, does it? Show that part of the log, or show that it's actually working on the Nvidia tasks, or that they are in your cache.

I only want ATI and CPU tasks yet it keeps asking for nvidia so is there a way to specifiy in the app_config.xml file to get only ATI tasks like we used to in app_info.xml?

The app_config.xml file allows you to specify which applications can run with which parameters. It's not there to tell BOINC which piece of hardware it should or shouldn't ask work for.
7598) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't start (Message 47654)
Posted 6 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are now details of my setup in my signature.

Yeah, about that. Stating which wxwidgets version your BOINC uses is totally unnecessary. It's like stating that you drive a Toyota Corolla with a walnut dashboard. Information we won't be using, ever. ;-)

Tue 05 Feb 2013 19:54:27 GMT | | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.27 for i686-pc-linux-gnu

This BOINC version can be flawed by the problem with regards to detecting idleness when using USB mice/keyboards. Not necessarily though, since I see:

Tue 05 Feb 2013 19:54:27 GMT | | don't compute while active
Tue 05 Feb 2013 19:54:27 GMT | | don't use GPU while active

Tue 05 Feb 2013 19:54:31 GMT | | Suspending computation - computer is in use

Tue 05 Feb 2013 21:25:32 GMT | Cosmology@Home | Restarting task wu_013013_113046_3_1_0 using camb version 216 in slot 0
Tue 05 Feb 2013 21:25:32 GMT | Cosmology@Home | Restarting task wu_013013_113051_1_1_0 using camb version 216 in slot 1

Tue 05 Feb 2013 21:26:22 GMT | | Suspending computation - computer is in use

According to your own log, your BOINC reacts to the preference to suspend computation when the computer is in use, and it restarts when apparently there's no one using the computer, to then suspend again when someone is using it.

So I don't get the problem. Unless you meant to say that you can fill in zero at "Do work after idle for", but in most cases in BOINC, when you fill in zero, you tell BOINC not to use the option. I suspect that's the same here.
7599) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't start (Message 47649)
Posted 5 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC?
You say that only BOINC Manager runs, must I assume you really mean only the GUI, or does the BOINC binary also run? (BOINC consists of two parts, a client and a manager).
And even then, no science applications that run?
What are the messages saying?

etc. etc. See this thread for what we please would like to know about at minimum. And be as eloquent about it as you can.
7600) Message boards : Questions and problems : Something wrong with BOINC Manager? (Message 47646)
Posted 5 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, so you did. But why all?
Please read the descriptions of the log flags, before enabling them, and else just ask which ones you need. None of us ever needs ALL of them.

And having <options/> set like that will spark the unparsed_xml flag.
If you must set <options/> do it like <options></options>, with nothing in between the flags.

You only need task, file_xfer, sched_ops (these three are always on by default, so leave them on).
Separately, you put on cpu_sched, cpu_sched_debug, work_fetch_debug, network_status_debug, file_xfer_debug.

So:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
<max_stdout_file_size>20119200</max_stdout_file_size>
</options>
</cc_config>

I set the stdoutdae.txt file size to ~18MB here, to make sure that when you do go capture stuff and walk away, that when you return to the computer, you still have a good chance of it being in the log file instead of being overwritten. The maximum default log size is 2MB, which will be overwritten in no time with a couple of log flags on.

Oh, and it's also useful to post the result after about 5 minutes of logging. Please do not log for 5 hours and post all of that. That is information overkill and will result in me removing that post.
7601) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC will not use all GPUs (Message 47611)
Posted 2 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where did you park cc_config.xml? In your BOINC program directory, or the data directory?
It needs to be in the root of the data directory, where client_state.xml is.
It needs to be called cc_config.xml (underscore and .xml extension, nothing else).
It needs to have all of these lines:
<cc_config>
    <options>
       <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config>
7602) Message boards : Questions and problems : strage behaving of Boinc (Message 47607)
Posted 2 Feb 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you start the client as well (./run_client)?
7603) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 47597)
Posted 31 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.47 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Jord wrote:
Windows users, watch out. There is a bug in the installer which makes you believe that the service installation (protected application execution) is on by default, but it isn't. You can leave the check mark on PAE intact, it'll install as a user installation. Only when you uncheck and recheck, will it install as a service.


Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.45 --> 7.0.46:

  • client: show sysmon messages correctly. This was supposed to be in David's 507cd79 commit, but it got botched somehow.
  • client: the <task> debug flag enables suspend/resume messages for both CPU and GPU. Previously CPU messages were always shown, and GPU messages were shown if <cpu_sched_debug> was set.
  • client: fix bug where reschedule wasn't being done on GPU suspend or resume.
  • client: if app does temporary exit, don't print premature exit warning. Fixes [trac]#1224[/trac].
  • client: when formatting the OpenCL description field, use the human readable version of the GPU type. People were expecting Intel GPU instead of intel_gpu.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.46 --> 7.0.47:


  • lib: Remove duplicate GPU text in the OpenCL description.
  • client: message tweak for GPU suspend/resume.
  • WINSETUP: Change description text for service installs.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.0.47
- boinc_7.0.47_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.47_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.47_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Windows 7.0.47
- boinc_7.0.47_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.47_windows_x86_64.exe

7604) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Complied for MPI Usage (Message 47582)
Posted 30 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Eric emailed me back with the following:
Eric Korpela wrote:
It's not only difficult, it's not worth the effort. SETI@home is already well distributed. Communications and synchronization overhead would slow it down. Even doing that as a multithreaded app on a multicore processor wouldn't beat one instance per core in processing power. It would probably be easy to replace FFTW with an MPI compile of FFTW, but that would just distribute the FFTs. But that would probably slow down the FFTs overall.

The optimal way to use SETI@home on a cluster is to run BOINC on each node. It's not sexy, but it gives the best speed.
7605) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Complied for MPI Usage (Message 47580)
Posted 30 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think that you can make a multithreaded application of the Seti (Multibeam) application, just by compiling its source code as such. The code needs to be able to do so as well.

Now, normally you're better off asking at the Seti forums, but I'll ask Eric Korpela to pass by here and give comment. He's one of the project's developers.
7606) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Complied for MPI Usage (Message 47574)
Posted 30 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since BOINC doesn't do any of the hard work, it doesn't crunch any of the data, what are you trying to do exactly? Compiling a project's science application(s) to be used in a multithreaded (mt) way, or are you setting up your own project for this cluster to work on?

If you just want to compile BOINC to be able to run on the OS of the cluster, there's probably a way to do so. But it has nothing to do with using MPI (mt) apps.

As for projects still using mt applications, I think that only Milkyway has one and the rest stopped long ago.

So please explain what it is you're trying to accomplish. We can give better help that way.
7607) Message boards : Questions and problems : Newest BOINC version 7.0.45 keeps suspending since installed yesterday (Message 47573)
Posted 30 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why did you update to 7.0.45? It's not the recommended version, it's a development version and therefore can be unstable and crash. And when that happens, we always ask that you please please send the information to the BOINC alpha email list, so that the developers know about it. They don't read these forums.

If you wanted to be an alpha tester, you're welcome, the more the merrier. But then follow these instructions.

With that out of the way, it sounds like your client is crashing.
First check what the client last wrote in stdoutdae.txt in your BOINC Data directory C:\ProgramData\BOINC\
Then check if these crashes left any telling tale in the stderrdae.txt file in your BOINC Data directory C:\ProgramData\BOINC\
You can also check in Windows Even Viewer (Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer->Windows Logs->System & Application Logs) for any pointers (red and yellow markers) around the time of the crash.

And please, when you post logs, don't snip in them. The log you posted lacks any projects you've added to your BOINC, yet it also doesn't say it's not got any projects added... It may well be a project application that crashes that takes the client along with it. Not something you'd want to omit from any logs, just to 'hide' which projects you're running, or which hostIDs that's with.
7608) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work fetch problem with more than 1 ATI GPU, app_info & exclusions (Message 47554)
Posted 28 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Guess the type field has to be expanded to also function for the Intel_gpu.

I just sent a request for that to the alpha list.
7609) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work fetch problem with more than 1 ATI GPU, app_info & exclusions (Message 47553)
Posted 28 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
[quoteI had high hopes for 7.0.45. Unfortunately work fetch has not improved and the exclusions problem has not been helped at all.[/quote]
You will have to email the BOINC Alpha email list about that, as else the developers will not know about it.

Add logs with appropriate debug flags enabled to show what you see.
If necessary add screen shots, but when you do, add David as a CC as the list will drop these attachments.
7610) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPUs (Message 47545)
Posted 27 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you run the Intel driver detection tool at http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect ?

What it could also be is that according to this thread at Anandtech your motherboard has the Intel H67 chipset, not the full Z77 chipset. The H67 chipset may not be fully compatible with the i7-3770S, i7-3770K and i7-3770 processors.
7611) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPUs (Message 47537)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
is this a desktop computer or a laptop?
Any specific brand, like Sony, Dell, Lenovo, etc.?

Were the motherboard chipset drivers already installed?
Do you know what brand and model motherboard you have?
7612) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.45 x64 client: make CPU throttling apply to GPU apps. (Message 47536)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I must say that I haven't managed to get it to work yet, but then I am only using 3 of the 4 cores of my CPU. The 4th core that's excluded is used by the GPU.

Now I'm trying to find out from the developers if the throttling matters for the whole CPU, or only the CPU cores I specified to use.
7613) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.45 x64 client: make CPU throttling apply to GPU apps. (Message 47533)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let's first determine what you expect to see.
If a sustained 30% load when checking in something like GPU-Z, it doesn't work that way. What a 30% throttle does is run for 3 seconds at full burst, and pause the other 7 seconds on a 10 second basis.

Your preferences do need to be set to "Run based on preferences" for both the CPU and the GPU.
7614) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resources regarding BOINC security/sandboxing/etc (Message 47525)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll repost what the troll wants you to know so urgently:

Hello all,

I'm investigating installing BOINC on potentially hundreds of servers (Linux) at an organization, but am looking for as much detail as possible regarding the security model and sandboxing (both account-based and vm-based) in order to convince admins that it would be safe. I found the following pages, but the second (more detail) says it describes the Macintosh sandboxing design and I'm specifically interested in Linux.



First you should understand that there are 3 different ways to install BOINC on Linux. This page from the official BOINC wiki gives details but the 3 methods are: from package (repository), the Berkeley installer and "get the source and compile it yourself". Therefore the answer to many of your questions depends on which method you use to install BOINC and how it was compiled by the people who provide the installer.

The Berkeley installer simply puts the binaries in a subdirectory of your home directory and then you run the binaries on your own account. This is the least secure model. Of course the binaries don't have root access so there is always that basic protection but you would probably want more in your situation.

The BOINC package installers available from various most distros all do things slightly different but the one thing they all have in common is the fact that they create an unprivileged user named boinc and install BOINC client as a daemon service that runs on the boinc user account. The boinc user doesn't have a home dir, or password and has severely restricted access. boinc cannot access much of the video susbsystem or even mouse and keyboard, for example, and there are probably more restrictions I am unaware of. This model is far more secure than the Berkeley installer model.

The daemon then autostarts at boot time and there are various ways you can prevent other users from controlling the client. There are 3 binaries: boinc, boincmgr and boinccmd. Boinc (BOINC client) does all the real work, boincmgr (BOINC manager) is a GUI that controls the client with RPC over TCP on port 31416. boinccmd uses the same RPC but it's CLI rather than GUI. boincmgr and boinccmd both need a password to connect to the client so you only need to hide that password from other users to prevent them from controlling the client. Admins can SSH into the host and control the client via boinccmd or via BOINC manager running on a remote host, if they know the password.

On Linux daemons are created and launched via an init script which is just a bash (or whatever) script that init runs when it does the boot sequence. The process follows the traditional Sys V protocol. The installer places the init script in /etc/init.d and prefixes it with a number that determines the order that it runs in. Scripts with higher numbers runnear the end of the boot sequence, scripts with lower numbers run earlier. You can edit the init script to customize the way boinc (the client binary) runs and modify security related stuff there.

The daemon model is perfect for what you want. By controlling which system resources the user named boinc has access to you define the sandbox it is restricted to. The only way to achieve a tighter sandbox is to run it in a VM which I have done many times, it works very well.

1) How are binaries linked (statically, dynamically)?


Some are static, some dynamic. boincmgr has many dynamic linked libs whereas boinc has only 3, IIRC, and I believe you could easily compile it yourself and make those static if you wanted.

2) Does BOINC run the project programs inside a chroot jail?


The Berkeley installer does not do that. Various package installers available from distros might do that. I don't think the Ubuntu package does but I believe the Debian package does, maybe, don't quote me on it.

3) Does BOINC employ any additional security measures, for instance ulimit for resource consumption limits, or SELinux for very granular access control?


For the Berkeley installer the answer is no. For packages from distros... I don't think so but I might be wrong, I haven't tried them all.

Also, if you have any general suggestions for making BOINC installations secure beyond what's written in the link below, I'd appreciate it.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Security


I haven't read that link yet and may not have time.

7615) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.44 strangeness (Message 47522)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah thanks, Claggy, for picking that one up. :-)
7616) Message boards : Questions and problems : Resources regarding BOINC security/sandboxing/etc (Message 47520)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry for that troll that's posting in your thread. He'll just have to learn that when his account is banished, that he's not allowed back with a new one, until after his original account's been freed. Which will now be never.
7617) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.44 strangeness (Message 47512)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
In 7.0.31 there was this addition:
client: when estimating FLOPS for an anonymous-platform app version for which no estimate has been supplied by user, use (CPU speed)*(cpu_usage + 10*gpu_usage) (--> add the 10*)

This means that all GPU work present in cache will err on the time exceeded 'buglet', due to its resource values being 10 times too little to allow for the tasks to finish in time.

Workarounds:
1. While running 7.0.28, set NNT on all projects, run your cache empty, upload & report everything. Next do the update to a later BOINC, then allow new work. The new work will not have this bug.

2. Only for the super advanced. Exit BOINC completely. Open client_state.xml file. Find the entry for Seti. Find the entry for Seti. Manually edit the <rsc_fpops_est/> and <rsc_fpops_bound/> values so they are 10 times their original size (add a zero). Do this for all GPU work in cache. Save file, restart BOINC.

If you really want to go test a later BOINC version, I'd go with workaround 1. It's the easiest.

Edited to correct what Claggy wrote below. So the advice is in one place.
7618) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.45 x64 client: make CPU throttling apply to GPU apps. (Message 47511)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you're waiting for a sustained 30% usage, that'll never happen as it is done in different ways in Windows, OSX and Linux. You''ll need a 3rd party program such as TThrottle or ThreadMaster (see the add-ons page) for that to work like that.

If you're waiting for the throttling to actually be done on the GPU as well, that's only recently been added to the alpha BOINC client. In this case 7.0.45, links for which can be found in the change log thread.
7619) Message boards : The Lounge : new to Distributed computing (Message 47510)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
how many projects could i run at one time?

As many as you want, really. There's almost 50 official ones to choose from, and still several alpha and beta projects out there not on that list.

Is this something that takes up all available idle CPU time for one project or will it split the idle time used among the multiple projects selected?

In the beginning, with BOINC 7.0, it'll be one project at a time that populates all your CPU cores and GPU if that project has applications for it (not all do). If you allow BOINC to learn all by itself, without interfering, without telling it what to do even once, it may spread two or more projects over the CPU cores over time. But then, it may not.

In the end though, all projects with the same resource share value should end up with an approximate same recent average credit (RAC) when running on the CPU.
7620) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc on linux not detecting if the computer is idle (Message 47509)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, what does it do then? Sits there idle? Or runs always?

As I said, it doesn't run at all. It just says that the computer is in use all the time.

What's your setting for the preference "Suspend work if CPU usage is above x%"? If the default 25, try using 0% instead.
What's your setting for the preference "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last x minutes"?

Did you allow for the boinc account to be able to read the x-drivers?

I don't know. How do I do that?

You compiled your own BOINC and made it run as your user account, thus not as a daemon? That should do it. Else try in a terminal window, for each BOINC session, xhost local:boinc
7621) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 47502)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.45 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.44 --> 7.0.45:

  • client: show available disk space correctly on startup.
  • client: add code for detecting running on batteries on OpenBSD. From RustyBSD.
  • LIB: Standardize on using windows_format_error_string and drop windows_error_string.
    -> Move the windows_format_error_string function to win_util.cpp, .h instead of it being scattered between util.h and str_util.cpp.
    -> Convert the Windows error string into UTF8 before allowing it to be used by the caller.
    -> Remove windows_error_string from library.

  • LIB: Call FormatMessageW directly and skip an extra string encoding conversion step.
  • OpenCL: fix bug reported by Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein.
  • Fix build break for boinc_opencl.cpp and move the include of <vector> below the pre-compiled header file for Windows builds in boinc_api.cpp
  • client: make CPU throttling apply to GPU apps.
  • MGR: when selecting a new client, clear Notices tab and don't display "Fetching notices" until connected to new client.
  • MGR: clear Simple View Notices when disconnected and don't display "Fetching notices" until connected to client.
  • client: get proxy info before attempting project list fetch or any other HTTP op.
  • client: backoff message tweaks.
  • Manager: fix case where the client has only an Intel GPU, and the manager was acting as if it had no GPUs.
  • client: write GPU list in get_state() GUI RPC. Otherwise manager doesn't know what GPUs we have.
  • client: the logic for work fetch in the presence of GPU exclusions (especially per-app exclusions) was incomplete and buggy.
    Changes:
    -> make bitmaps of included instances per (app, resource type).
    -> in round-robin simulation, we keep track of used instances (so that we know if there are instances that are idle because of exclusions). Do this based on app-level exclusions (previously it was done based on project-wide exclusions, which didn't include app-level exclusions).
    -> compute RSC_PROJECT_WORK_FETCH::non_excluded_instances as the logical OR of the per-app masks. I.e. if you exclude an instance for all apps separately, it's the same as excluding it for the project as a whole. (Note: this bitmap is used for only 1 purpose: if we have idle instances, don't request work from a project for which those instances are excluded.)
    -> define RSC_PROJECT_WORK_FETCH::ncoprocs_excluded as the # of instances excluded for *any* app, not the # excluded for all apps. This quantity is used in work fetch to make sure we don't unboundedly fetch jobs that turn out not to have a GPU to run on due to exclusions.

  • MGR: Somehow we are receiving an WM_ACTIVATEAPP event before m_pFrame has been populated on Windows 8. If m_pFrame is NULL, ignore the event.
  • client (Win): don't call msg_printf() from sysmon thread. Instead, put msg into a buffer and let main thread print it. This may fix crashes on system suspend/resume.
  • Compile fix for non-Windows clients.
  • OpenCL: remove dead code reported by Heinz-Bernd Eggenstein.
  • WINSETUP: Update installer build files based on the 7.0.x branch



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.0.45
- boinc_7.0.45_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.45_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.45_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Windows 7.0.45
- boinc_7.0.45_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.45_windows_x86_64.exe

7622) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc on linux not detecting if the computer is idle (Message 47501)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I told it that it should only run if the computer is idle for more than 2 minutes but I've noticed that it doesn't run at all if I use these settings.

So, what does it do then? Sits there idle? Or runs always?
Which project is this with?
Which science application is this with?
If GPU, did you set preferences for the GPU to run when idle?
Did you allow for the boinc account to be able to read the x-drivers?
Any other messages in (status columns in) BOINC Manager?
What does it say in the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E)?

Some information about your machine wouldn't be amiss here either.
7623) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPUs (Message 47500)
Posted 26 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Install the Intel graphics drivers.

The ones installed by Windows miss the necessary components.
7624) Message boards : Questions and problems : Pause doesn't stop BOINC (Message 47493)
Posted 25 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
All that I can see in the minute info you've given, is that it's the science application that doesn't stop.

So first things first:
- Your preferences state that the GPU runs based on preferences?
- You installed Berkeley BOINC?
- This apparently being a beta app running on the GPU, you reported this behaviour at the Milkyway project first? If not, please do so.

It's very much possible that the application does not follow the boinc_exit() command that the client is sending it.
7625) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Remove leftover tasks and projects? (Message 47492)
Posted 25 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When these projects are highlighted, all or any, the remove button goes ghosted.

That normally means that you added these through other means, like an account manager.
And then you have the chance that this is done by BOINC Account Manager, GridRepublic or Extremadura@Home (Spanish).
7626) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Install Exclusive service only (Message 47459)
Posted 22 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
It depends on your OS, really.

In Windows, it's an option in the installer, third screen in click Advanced, then check the Protected Application Execution option.

In Mac OSX, first install as normal then use the Make_BOINC_Service.sh script to make it a service.

In Linux, install the version from repositories. See install BOINC as a package how to do that on the most used distros.
7627) Message boards : Questions and problems : Transfers of Seti pending (Message 47453)
Posted 22 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Watch it. You're nearing dangerously close to flaming again. You know what happens when you flame.
7628) Message boards : Questions and problems : Make BOINC faster by compiling programs (Message 47438)
Posted 21 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure where you heard this, but it's not completely true. What is true is that it can speed up calculations for some projects if the science applications were to use certain CPU extensions that are otherwise not used. But this isn't true for all projects.

Whether or not you can download the project's science application's source code is up to the project, really. It's their code, be it open source (freely available under some form of GNU General Public License (GPL)) or proprietary (you won't be able to touch it).

Then, even if you were able to get the source code, it's not that easy to compile it into something that works on your computer. For this you require a compiler program, one that's capable of compiling the source code from whatever computing language it was written in, into something that's executable. Some of these compilers cost money, and then not just for a tenner, but over €1,000.- so not something you'll be seeing every user do.

And then there's the projects themselves who may not like what you did to their code and block your client from using that executable. Or they may release optimized applications themselves. But then tested and tried to make sure it works with their data and that the results coming out of it are something they can work with. For it may be easy to speed up code and compile it into something that speeds through the tasks. Yet if all your computer then does it return total garbage, what's the use of this 'optimization'?

Also, not all code can be optimized to speed up using the CPU's extensions. So there'll always be projects with slower applications than others. And really now, what's the hurry?
7629) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.31 is not working properly, cannot figure out why (Message 47424)
Posted 20 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And what if you try BOINC 7.0.42 or 7.0.44 (links available in the change log thread)?
7630) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.31 is not working properly, cannot figure out why (Message 47423)
Posted 20 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's no user named lrnovak at Einstein (for instance), so please can you link to your computer there? I'd prefer a link to this one as it'll show the contact log.

Else post the first 30-50 lines of the BOINC messages (including showing the projects you're attached to and with which hostIDs). The messages are in the Event Log under CTRL + SHIFT + E or advanced menu->Event Log.

Is there any work on the computer being crunched at this time?
Is the computer by chance busy with something else? Can you check the Activity Monitor for that?
7631) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.31 is not working properly, cannot figure out why (Message 47421)
Posted 20 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Which project applications were stuck?
2. Which projects do you have added to your BOINC and are playing a role in this?
3. Are any tasks set to Suspend (Tasks tab, click "Show all tasks" so the button print changes to "Show active tasks")?
4. Are any projects set to Suspend (Projects tab, status column)?
5. Are any of the projects you want work from set to "No new tasks" (the button showing says "Allow new tasks")?
6. Are the selected projects up and do they have an OS X application and available work?
7632) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 47408)
Posted 19 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had a further discussion with David on this:

David wrote:
The goal is to not add more preferences, but to have the project's scheduler figure out the best number of jobs per GPU.


Jord wrote:
Without the user having any say in it?
Just asking, as my GPU is capable of running 4 Einstein tasks at a time, but I'd rather only run 1. So some form of control would be appreciated.
And what about system where there are more than one GPU in the system, not necessarily all capable of running more than one task?

What I like about the app_config.xml file is that I can now control how much CPU the Einstein app can take at max. If left to its own, it'll take slightly over half of a CPU core. I however set it to use .25 of the CPU and it does so, without too much of a slow-down.

So some form of user-control is always desired.


David wrote:
The goal is for BOINC to automatically figure out the optimal number of jobs per GPU. Of course we'll keep the app_config mechanism for people who want to fiddle with it manually. But I don't want to add any GUI for this purpose.


Which makes more sense. :-)
7633) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 47406)
Posted 19 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, I was wondering if there will be a...

No, there will not be such a thing, nor will there be a menu option to re-read the app_config.xml file. I have just learned that the developers feel that the app_config.xml file is a temporary thing, while projects learn how to parametrize their GPU apps.
7634) Message boards : Questions and problems : Top 100 Participants not updated (Message 47405)
Posted 19 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, that's fixed now. It should update again once a day.
7635) Message boards : Teams : Link teams to BOINC-wide team and members not showing. (Message 47403)
Posted 19 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does a BOINC-wide team do that or have I misunderstood what they do?

You have misunderstood the function of the BOINC Wide team page. All that you do here is make your team once, and all the projects that have the import teams function on will make that team at their project pages, or if you updated your team information, update that in their databases.

There is no main page gathering all the data back at the BWT page. That's done by all the Statistics sites.

So then you have to check there, such as at BOINCStats: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/team/detail/91120221/projectList

Mind, only projects where anyone of your team has gathered credits, and thus the team has gathered credits, will show up.

A team made at BWT can take up to a week to propagate at different projects. It really all boils down to the having the team import on and if so, when they allow that to be done.
7636) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager hogging memory (7.0.42) (Message 47391)
Posted 18 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
18/1/2013 9:49:18 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, cpu_sched, cpu_sched_debug, rr_simulation
18/1/2013 9:49:18 | | log flags: sched_op_debug, task_debug, work_fetch_debug

When you aren't using some of the debug-logging flags, disable them. You don't need cpu_sched_debug, rr_simulation or work_fetch_debug for finding out what causes your 'exit but no finished file' problem.

There's been a long standing bug in BOINC Manager (the GUI) that causes old log entries not to be deleted from the memory that BM uses. Adding too many flags can cause this bug to pop up.
7637) Message boards : Questions and problems : Domain controller recommended BOINC version? (Message 47390)
Posted 18 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Was not asking for a warning, asked for a simple addition to the all download page.

The developers agree and will do so.
7638) Message boards : GPUs : Can BOINC tell the difference between ATI & NVIDIA Open CL? (Message 47388)
Posted 18 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Added to what Claggy said, it's also better to uninstall the drivers for the videocard that you removed. Less chance for Windows to get confused.

In the case of OpenCL.dll, it's installed by a lot of OpenCL compatible hardware drivers, one being a little newer than the last. Whichever driver you installed last overwrites the file with a version of its own, whether that version is newer or not.

Normally when you uninstall that last driver, Windows should restore the files that were overwritten to its original versions. But this hangs a lot on what the installer/uninstaller does. Not all of the uninstallers delete their own files, or instruct Windows that they've left the building and that original files should be restored.

Which is why we also always advice to run something like Driver Sweeper to remove all the remnants of an old driver that the uninstaller forgets about. Reinstalling the drivers for the other piece(s) of hardware isn't a bad thing either. At least then the OpenCL library is the one that's pointing at your videocard.
7639) Message boards : Questions and problems : Domain controller recommended BOINC version? (Message 47385)
Posted 18 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit: BTW, Is the all_download page linking to the Release Notes, or are the release notes included in the installed package?

It's at the bottom line of links at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php.
7640) Message boards : Questions and problems : Domain controller recommended BOINC version? (Message 47377)
Posted 18 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The warning about Domain Controllers is at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes#BOINC_7_incompatible_with_Domain_Controllers.
7641) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-core Computing (Message 47346)
Posted 17 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The WUs ARE multithreaded though?

Workunits or tasks, depending on what you call them, are just blocks of hexadecimal data or text. They have no moving parts, they aren't executable, therefore they aren't multithreaded either.

If anything needs to be multithreaded it is the science applications and nothing else. That's the thing that is executable and uses up memory. A thread is just the smallest sequence of programmed instructions that an operating system can handle. It'll run multiple of them for just about any process you start up, depending on how that process is programmed.

I have a 4 core CPU (i5-2500K).
Winamp's winamp.exe runs at 13 threads on my computer. Is it therefore multithreaded?
Process Explorer's 64bit procexp64.exe runs at 6 threads on my computer. Is it therefore multithreaded?
Skype's skype.exe runs at 21 threads on my computer. Is it therefore multithreaded?

And then equally so,
Each of Seti's AK_V8b2_win_x64_SSE.exe runs at 3 threads on my computer. Are they therefore multithreaded?

Now careful...
The Einstein BRP4 GPU application einstein_BRP4_1.32_windows_x86_64__opencl-ati.exe has two threads with that name. Is it therefore multithreading on my GPU?

Sure, they all are multithreading, just not specifically done so to allow work to be processed in parallel on the same computer cores. It's just done to spread the memory load of the program over multiple computer cores, even to make it easier to debug said program.

Just think what would be easier to run (load into memory), a single program of 1 million lines, or a program that loads 100,000 lines and has 9 brethren doing the same. Those 10 threads together would then technically be multithreading.

If you want to learn more about threads, multithreading, hyperthreading etc. there's plenty of search engines available.
7642) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPUs (Message 47329)
Posted 16 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When will BOINC support Sandy Bridge GPUs (which is what I have in my machine)?

Sandy Bridge GPUs don't have OpenCL support, so the only thing that you can then do with that GPU is attach a monitor to it.
7643) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-core Computing (Message 47327)
Posted 16 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can't the BOINC project kind of thumbscrew its most popular projects into doing this?

There is no BOINC Project. It doesn't do any science, that's all done by the project's science applications.

BOINC is an open source software, the projects that are using it are free to use it in any way they see fit, they aren't threatened, corralled, poked at or put in thumb screws over anything.
7644) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task exited with zero status but no 'finished' file... (almost) all of them (Message 47325)
Posted 16 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I went to my ProgramData directory and noted in its Properties that Read-Only was marked with a square, which if I understand correctly means that some items inside had been marked read-only...

No, it's Windows way of securing the directory. Despite that it says that the read-only mark only applies to files in the folder, it's actually only the folder that has the read-only attribute checked, not (necessarily) any of the files therein.

I set client_state.xml to read-only.

Client_state.xml is the main sanity file for BOINC, where it stores all the relevant information about the projects you added, the programs you downloaded from them and the tasks you got. This file is written to several times per minute.

Actually, it's being read by BOINC, the actual client_state.xml it read is renamed to client_state_prev.xml, then a new client_state.xml is written in which the updated information is written, before that cycle repeats itself.
The client_state_prev.xml file is a backup in case something goes awry that corrupts the client_state.xml file or the data within.

By setting the file to read-only, BOINC couldn't write to it anymore (although it can rename it, if I am not mistaken), giving you all the trouble.


Only "boinc_admins" had anything near full control (which was all the permissions checked: modify, read & execute, list folder contents, read, write) except for "full control" and "special permissions". Neither boinc_users nor boinc_projects had modify or write permissions, and one of them (I don't remember which, I think it was boinc_projects) had NO permissions at all.

They don't need it.

boinc_admins: Members of this group can change the configuration and protection settings for the BOINC client (for example the GUI RPC password and host list) and can also run the BOINC Manager and screensaver.

boinc_users: Members of this group can run the BOINC Manager and screensaver.

boinc_projects: Is a workaround for a deficiency in the Microsoft Installer (MSI).

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSetupLogicWinSix#Datadirectory and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSetupLogicWinSix#Executablesdirectory for who has what permission.
7645) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task exited with zero status but no 'finished' file... (almost) all of them (Message 47299)
Posted 16 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, but then you haven't really answered yet whether you checked anything off the list I posted in this post either.

Or that you checked at CPDN to see if you're the only one and what they say could be causing it. But I see that you did and that you gave info there that you didn't give us.

Looking at the log it appears the error occurred when BOINC tried to suspend the task while I was away from my computer. Doesn't seem like there's any reason for it to do so except for the scheduled project switching so I've set the project switching interval to 99999 minutes (1666 hours), hopefully long enough for one project to finish running in one go barring any computer downtime.

There's also the "Suspend work if CPU usage is above x%" preference that can do that, as well as the "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last x minutes".

So please, when you give information over on the project forums, give us that info as well. It's common courtesy. Unless you expect of us to scour all project forums for snippets of information. For which I just don't have the time, to be honest.
7646) Message boards : Questions and problems : Automatic Temperature regulation (Message 47293)
Posted 15 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
i7-3820 16gig.

My girlfriend has an i7-2600K with 6 case fans and her machine is still overheating... she doesn't run BOINC. Just gaming (e.g. Skyrim) will kill her machine due to overheating videocard within the hour.

i7s get hot. All of them. Get super good cooling. Not just fans, but take care on what you buy for heat sink as well. Or use H2O cooling.
7647) Message boards : GPUs : Intel GPUs (Message 47282)
Posted 15 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.42 and above support running OpenCL on Intel HD Graphics. Thus far, at the time of writing, only Ivy Bridge CPUs with the HD Graphics 2500 and 4000 are capable of running OpenCL, the earlier Sandy Bridge with HD Graphics 2000 and 3000 are not capable.

But that is just BOINC supporting the capability. Now you need a project that made a science application capable of running on those GPUs and so far there aren't any.
7648) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi-core Computing (Message 47281)
Posted 15 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't run any tasks, so it never needs to be able to do that. It's the science application that must be capable of so-called multi-threading. So you'll have to ask CPDN in this case if they can make an application that can do so.
7649) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task exited with zero status but no 'finished' file... (almost) all of them (Message 47275)
Posted 15 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please update to BOINC 7.0.42 or 7.0.44, then try again. These versions have a newer detection in case it's the client that dies unexpectedly. There's also new code that will kill the application if it is hung up for 10 seconds or more.
7650) Message boards : The Lounge : The Seti is Slumbering Cafe (Message 47243)
Posted 14 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
What? Is Mark banned again? ;-)
7651) Message boards : BOINC client : Anyone running ubuntu in 4gb flash with latest boinc & cuda? (Message 47241)
Posted 14 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seeing how bigger USB thumbdrives aren't that expensive, why not get a bigger one?
7652) Message boards : Questions and problems : had to reformat hard drive... (Message 47233)
Posted 14 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Without an intact client_state.xml file or client_state_prev.xml file, there's no way for the project to determine what they sent you before. Reattaching will most probably give you new hostIDs and thus new work.

Although not from Seti, as they're out of work and about to go down for two days.
7653) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task exited with zero status but no 'finished' file... (almost) all of them (Message 47229)
Posted 14 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Possible causes of the "Task exited with zero status but no 'finished' file" syndrome:

1. Make sure you exclude the BOINC directory and all subdirectories (or the BOINC Data directory and all subdirectories in BOINC 6 and 7) from being actively scanned by anti-virus and anti-spyware software. Only scan when you have exited BOINC.

2. Don't defrag your disk with BOINC on.

3. Don't run Scandisk with BOINC on.

4. Disable Drive Indexing.

5. Update your motherboard chipset drivers, specifically those for your IDE or SATA controllers.

6. Disable the Time synchronization in Windows XP/Vista. Normally found under the clock (double click it in the system tray), third tab (Internet in English), uncheck the sync option.

7. When you use use BOINC's CPU throttling function, you can run into the too many exit(0)s error. The advice here is to disable the BOINC throttling (set it to 100%) and reduce the amount of CPUs/cores for BOINC to use.
** Use at most 100.0 percent of CPU time.
* In BOINC 7.0, this is done through the option On multiprocessors, use at most xxx% of the processors.
7654) Message boards : BOINC Manager : System indefinitely slow after deactivating GPU (Message 47228)
Posted 14 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's an option in the computing preferences for leaving app data in or out of memory while suspended I wonder what he set it to...

Does not matter, as GPU applications are always unloaded from memory when BOINC or the GPU suspends, even with the Leave Application In Memory (LAIM) setting set. It'll only stay in memory when the client does a benchmark.
7655) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two machines accomplishing nothing (Message 47200)
Posted 12 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, so what do you then mean by 'nothing'?
Else, what science applications do this explicitly?
You have taken into account, etc.?

Have you asked at the projects whose applications do this if this is something they know of, or that others see this as well?
7656) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two machines accomplishing nothing (Message 47198)
Posted 12 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind telling what exactly you added in the cc_config.xml file?
Mind telling which projects you're talking about?
Or which applications?
Have you taken into account that since you cleaned up everything BOINC, that BOINC 7 is really starting off clean and that it now takes time for it to learn all about the applications again?
Are you running 24/7, or other?
With which cache, as in what are your settings for Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least X days and for ... and up to an additional X days?
Where did you set these preferences?
7657) Message boards : Server programs : client shows got 0 new task (Message 47195)
Posted 12 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the uppercase application is a test application that comes with BOINC server. It will translate any file you input from lowercase to uppercase characters.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ExampleApps
7658) Message boards : GPUs : HD5450 on Fedora 17 - No usable GPU detected (Message 47191)
Posted 12 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
(Client Ver. 7.0.29 for x64 from the official fedora repo)

Permissions, that's the problem.

When you install BOINC from repositories it makes and runs under an unprivileged user account named boinc. This user boinc doesn't have permission to access parts of the video subsystem, which means it can't read what kind of drivers you have installed, which means it can't detect whether or not you have a GPU installed.

There's some way around that with sym links, but I don't know how. Even the easiest option is to uninstall this BOINC and install Berkeley BOINC instead. That one will be able to detect the drivers, as it runs under your user account.

For the Berkeley BOINC installer, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php. I link to the all-versions page in case you want to try the development version. Change Logs for these versions can be found in the BOINC 7 change log thread.
7659) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 47190)
Posted 12 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
This showed up on the email lists this morning:

David Anderson wrote:
The client has a GPU-related feature we added a while ago
(> 1 year) but for some reason never documented. In combination with the anonymous platform mechanism, it lets you use GPUs not otherwise used by BOINC.

In your cc_config.xml you can specify a GPU that's not used by BOINC - either a vendor that the client doesn't know about, or a GPU that the client knows about but decides not to use because it's less powerful than another one.
The entry looks like this:

<coproc>
<type>some_name</type>
<count>1</count>
<device_nums>0 2</device_nums>
</coproc>

The name (some_name) should be something different from the names used by BOINC (NVIDIA, ATI, intel_gpu).

In your app_info.xml file, you can list an app version that will use this GPU.
It should include a <coproc> element using the same name.

For example, if you have several different NVIDIA GPUs in 1 system, you could have a separate <coproc> element for each one in cc_config.xml, and specify the apps that can run on each on in your various app_info.xml files.

This is documented here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Options

Let me know if any questions or problems.

-- David
7660) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC forcing GPU switch even when set to not use GPU???? (Message 47184)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
When the GPU is not being detected by BOINC, project science applications can't use it either. If this is on a Macintosh with some form of OS X, then the drivers for the GPU should be included in OS X. But whether or not those drivers make the GPU seen is something I don't know.

Else state what kind of system and OS you run.
Or post the first 20-30 lines of your BOINC start-up messages.
7661) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC forcing GPU switch even when set to not use GPU???? (Message 47180)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
To be able to detect the Intel HD Graphics GPU you need BOINC 7.0.42 or better. Download links are in the Change Log thread.

But I think it only works on Windows, (so not for Linux or Macintosh), and even then, there are at present no projects that have an application for it. Planned yes, but none available as of yet.

To uninstall BOINC, use the uninstaller. To completely clear everything BOINC off your machine on Windows, see this BOINC FAQ.
7662) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC calculates overdue tasks (Message 47179)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pop-ups? Really? The single most annoying feature in Windows and you want pop-ups, Dagorath?


Not all popups are annoying and you know it..

No, I find all pop-ups quite annoying. Want to go crash the game I am playing to desktop without giving me the option to even reach the Cancel button? Want to crash the BOINC client and display a pop-up about it for hours upon hours? Where I can, I turn these things off.

Yes, in that case, you can go make your own BOINC. :-D


That day is fast approaching. The BOINC devs should be glad someone else hasn't already done just that because if they did the majority of volunteers would be running the forked version instead of Berkeley's version.

Someone already did and abandoned it: http://code.google.com/p/synecdoche/

==and off-topic for this thread, but since I am answering the previous user who put the threat down in the previous post, can only answer here==
..just delete it and banish

Why the veiled threats? And why can't you post with the other kdsjsdj account? Or with the dfbv account? Or the old doggybob account? Or heck, why can't you just be civilized and apologize to Rom (in email to him) about your wrong-doings as a moderator here and get your Dagorath account back? Yes... it is that simple.

But trolling is as well, isn't it?
7663) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC calculates overdue tasks (Message 47175)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
But i don't enable 'GPU use', because tasks remain in memory and still use the CPU/GPU, even if use <exclusive_gpu_app> in cc_config.xml. (I checked it now.) It look as test option.

GPU tasks will always be unloaded from memory (both GPU memory and main memory) when the application suspends. To be able to use the <exclusive_app/> and <exclusive_gpu_app/> options, you will need to use the "Run .. based on preferences" options in the Activity menu, for the CPU and GPU.

It's not a test option, it's real and has been since BOINC 6.6.something, entered into source code 11/18/09.

And that it works?
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [---] Suspending computation - an exclusive app is running
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Preempting 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.165_1 (left in memory)
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.165_1 from suspend
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Preempting 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.159_1 (left in memory)
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.159_1 from suspend
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [Einstein@Home] [cpu_sched] Preempting p2030.20120107.G177.78-02.46.C.b2s0g0.00000_1704_1 (removed from memory)
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [Einstein@Home] [task] task_state=QUIT_PENDING for p2030.20120107.G177.78-02.46.C.b2s0g0.00000_1704_1 from request_exit()
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Preempting 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.194_0 (left in memory)
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=SUSPENDED for 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.194_0 from suspend
30-Dec-2012 19:26:04 [---] Suspending network activity - an exclusive app is running
30-Dec-2012 19:26:05 [Einstein@Home] [task] Process for p2030.20120107.G177.78-02.46.C.b2s0g0.00000_1704_1 exited, exit code 0, task state 8
30-Dec-2012 19:26:05 [Einstein@Home] [task] task_state=UNINITIALIZED for p2030.20120107.G177.78-02.46.C.b2s0g0.00000_1704_1 from handle_exited_app
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [---] Resuming computation
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Resuming 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.165_1
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.165_1 from unsuspend
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Resuming 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.159_1
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.159_1 from unsuspend
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [Einstein@Home] [task] task_state=EXECUTING for p2030.20120107.G177.78-02.46.C.b2s0g0.00000_1704_1 from start
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Resuming 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.194_0
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [SETI@home] [task] task_state=EXECUTING for 08oc12ab.18332.10701.9.10.194_0 from unsuspend
30-Dec-2012 20:08:35 [---] Resuming network activity

That's 3 Seti tasks running on 3 CPU cores, one Einstein task running on one GPU plus the left-over CPU core. I've got "leave applications in memory upon suspend" on, and as you can see, the Einstein task running on the GPU is unloaded from memory at suspension!

As for the deleting of tasks over the deadline, just because you and Dagorath don't run CPDN or other projects that may allow tasks going over the deadline (think Non-CPU Intensive projects as well), does not justify that BOINC should unconditionally delete any already started tasks gone over the deadline.

Pop-ups? Really? The single most annoying feature in Windows and you want pop-ups, Dagorath? So you can complain about it when you see such a thing in Linux? Yes, in that case, you can go make your own BOINC. :-D
7664) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC calculates overdue tasks (Message 47171)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
This should be doing automatically, I think.

It can't do that, for the reason I edited into my previous post, there are projects that allow work to come in way after the deadline, such as ClimatePreditcion.net. They really do not want a model that has been running for 6 months to be thrown away just because it's over the deadline. That would be a waste of time and resources.

So set your cache to 0 plus 0. That's really minimum, should give you only work to fill the processor cores, perhaps the GPU as well if you use that.


By the way, I game on the system I run BOINC on as well. With the <exclusive_app/> and <exclusive_gpu_app/> options in cc_config.xml, BOINC suspends calculations automatically when one of my games starts. It'll continue afterwards. My computer normally runs BOINC calculations only between 9pm and 7am, BOINC suspending due to time-of-day at 7am, while at 7.05am the computer goes into hibernation and normally --when I am not sick home, just as I am now-- I will leave it in hibernation until ~6pm. All to save on electricity.

To run a cc_config.xml file with these 'auto-suspend' options, you can add game executables through the BOINC Manager Advanced Preferences window, although these are for the CPU only. To add exclusions for the GPU, you'll need to hand-edit the cc_config.xml file and add them.

Then you get things like:
<cc_config>
<options>
<exclusive_app>Speed.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>Crysis.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>FarCry.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>NFSHP2.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>FarCry2.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>Fallout3.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>RA3.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>Crysis2.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>FarCry3.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>
7665) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task not paused when computer in use (Message 47168)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something like mine does, when it comes to time-of-day switch off:
I run 3 Seti tasks on 3 CPU cores and one Einstein task on the GPU.

11/01/2013 07:00:00 |  | Suspending computation - time of day
11/01/2013 07:00:00 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting 24oc12ae.11734.17245.11.10.223_0 (left in memory)
11/01/2013 07:00:00 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting 24oc12ae.11734.20108.11.10.115_1 (left in memory)
11/01/2013 07:00:00 | SETI@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting 25oc12aa.8907.33112.11.10.104_1 (left in memory)
11/01/2013 07:00:00 | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting p2030.20120222.G194.47+00.27.S.b3s0g0.00000_208_0 (removed from memory)

Why do the Seti tasks stay in memory? Because I've got 'Leave in memory while suspended' set to On.
7666) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC calculates overdue tasks (Message 47167)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will auto delete obsolete tasks that have not started yet (no checkpoints made). It has done this, ever since 6.6.12: client: abort jobs that are unstarted and past deadline.
Tasks that have been started will be tried to finish ASAP.
Remember that some projects do not mind overdue work, projects like ClimatePrediction.Net where models can run for months, if not more than a year. They accept any tasks returned, even those over the deadline. As to them the data is more important than a deadline.

So if you're not running CPDNs in the mix, why do you have a (big) cache when you know you turn the computer off for so long? Why don't you set a smaller cache, to be more responsible? BOINC can't see that you're going to turn off the computer for a week, but you should be able to determine that way up front.

And even then, it hangs on which project(s) you've added. There are some that run a 3 days deadline, 7 day deadline, but enough that run 14 days and longer.
7667) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task not paused when computer in use (Message 47148)
Posted 9 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I haven't exited BOINC before killing it up till now.

Please try that first, then. That shows if it's a rogue application, willfully continuing despite what BOINC does.

Now it can e.g. be a preference setting that you set wrong, or update in the wrong place (on web when you use local preferences, or editing it in the default venue while the computer expects preferences to be set in the school venue, etc.).

Exiting BOINC fully should exit all science applications.
7668) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task not paused when computer in use (Message 47143)
Posted 9 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I killed it at 8:54

May I just ask, how do you 'kill' these tasks? Do you End Process them in Windows Task Manager, or use another method? Do you do so while BOINC runs, or with BOINC (boinc.exe) no longer in memory?
7669) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 47142)
Posted 9 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.44 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new version to test.

The big ticket items for this release are:

* Notices tab (advanced view) or Event dialog (simple view) improvements in general, and specifically around fetching images.

* Localization fixes for those who use different thousands and decimal delimiters.

* Observing the "don't verify images" preference

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha. Please report bug to the boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu email list.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.42 --> 7.0.43:

  • Win process control (affects API and wrapper): Since Win doesn't have an API for process suspend/resume, we were suspending processes by 1) enumerating all the threads in the system (typically several thousand) 2) suspending those belonging to the given process The problem: for each thread, the code was calling a function in diagnostics_win.cpp to see if the thread was exempted from suspension. This check (which is unnecessary anyway if we're suspending another process) was surrounded by a semaphore acquire/release. The result: performance problems. It could take a minute to suspend the threads. Solution: 1) do the check for exemption only if we're suspending threads in our own process (i.e. from the API) 2) if we're suspending multiple processes, enumerate the threads only once, and see if each one belongs to any of the processes 3) have the wrapper elevate itself to normal priority. Otherwise it can get preempted for long periods, sometimes in the middle of scanning the threads. Note: post-9x versions of Win have a process group API that includes suspend/resume. We'll switch to this soon. (David)
  • client: show Intel GPU memory size as integer.
  • scheduler: attempted performance enhancement.
    -> Old: each scheduler process holds a semaphore while scanning the shared-mem job array. On machines with many CPUs there seems to be contention for this semaphore, causing slow scheduler response and possibly connection failures.
    -> New: Don't hold the semaphore while scanning array. Instead, if find a job that passes quick_check(), acquire the semaphore and recheck that the job is present in array and passes quick_check().

  • client: show messages if app_config.xml has unrecognized tags.
  • Apply RustyBSD's patch for selectively disabling the detection of the X screensaver framework in configure.ac
  • SCR: Include the compiled X11 screensaver app in the self extracting archive distro of the client software. (Linux only)
  • Mgr: Fix delay displaying notice.
  • OpenCL: Eliminate spurious error message when an OpenCL platform exists but the computer has no corresponding devices.
  • Mac: Fix linker warning.
  • client: show Intel GPU memory size as integer.
  • Mgr: Fix potential crashes displaying notices asynchronously on Windows.
  • Mgr: Fix bad line endings.
  • Mgr: More robust way to display "No notices" message.
  • Mgr: Shorten Internet timeout for notices on Windows to 5 seconds.
  • Fix license info.
  • Mgr: fix license declaration in file derived from wxWidgets.
  • Mgr: Windows only: If OpenURL fails, we probably don't have an Internet connection so use a shorter timeout for subsequent calls to OpenURL until one succeeds; otherwise notices takes takes too long to display if there are multiple notices with images.
  • Mgr: Don't call get_notices RPC before previous one is processed to prevent multiple display of notices.
  • Mgr: Display "Fetching notices..." instead of "There are no notices" while getting notices. Display "There are no notices" only if we have actually determined there are no notices.
  • Mgr: Add code to reload notices with images / items missing due to problems accessing their URLs.
  • Mgr: Display "Fetching notes" when reloading notices.
  • Mgr: If network activity is suspended, don't retrieve URL references within notices unless they are already in our cache or in the Windows cache.
  • Mgr: Clear our internal Internet cache when selecting a different computer; when removing entries from hash table, delete data to avoid memory leaks.
  • Mgr: Display a message and "Retry now" button if some images or other items within notices failed to load from the Internet; if network activity is suspended, say so in the message.
  • When removing entries from hash table, delete only the contents of the cached data (pointed to by m_data), not the entire MemFSHashObj.
  • Use the WX_CLEAR_HASH_TABLE macro to clear the notices hash table.
  • Mgr: When removing entries from our hash table, delete data to avoid memory leaks.
  • Mgr: Allow existing to retrieve images or other items from the Internet even if network activity is suspended. (But client won't get new notices.)
  • Mgr: Reset Internet timeout when retrying notices.
  • Mgr: Bug fixes for Windows Async Internet access, including closing the WinINet handle when aborting due to timeout, etc. to prevent crashes.
  • Mgr: Add all the new notices features to the Simple View notices dialog.
  • client: improved log messages for work fetch.
  • Mgr: When closing Simple View notices, wait for all Async Internet access to complete before calling the notices panel destructor.
  • Fix compiler warnings.
  • Fix compile warnings on Linux X-screen saver.
  • client: processor identification for ARM (from Evandro Menezes and Joachim Fritzsch).
  • API: fix Unix bug when checking if client is alive based on PID. Can't use waitpid() here; works only for children. Use kill(pid, 0) instead.
  • API: improve log messages when detect dead client.
  • client: disable remote access if
    -> gui_rpc_auth.cfg is empty, or
    -> it doesn't exist and we can't open it for writing, or
    -> the write to it fails.

  • client: don't crash if GUI RPC password is too long (from RustyBSD) (change from max 256 chars to 512 chars).
  • client: Account for the display management power system when calculating idle time from the XSS system on Linux.
  • client: if gui_rpc_auth.cfg is empty, print a warning but don't fail with an error; an empty GUI RPC password is allowed. (to error out is not a known verb, David...)
  • lib: compile fix.
  • client: when checking file sizes at startup, skip image files if the "dont_verify_images" pref is set. Otherwise we'll be downloading the file on each startup. From Juha. Fixes [trac]#1222[/trac].
  • compile fixes. Fixes [trac]#1219[/trac].
  • WIN: Update copyright information in the Windows resource files.
  • MGR: Revert the changes made to AsyncRPC.cpp on Dec 7th. It broke our ability to deal with localization on Windows, Mac, and Linux. We'll have to revisit this issue after the next build for the BSDs.
  • Fix Build Breaks.



Preliminary Change Log 7.0.43 --> 7.0.44:


  • Fix conflict resolution mistake.



Available installers:

Macintosh 7.0.44
- boinc_7.0.44_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.44_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.44_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Windows 7.0.44
- boinc_7.0.44_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.44_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.0.44
- boinc_7.0.44_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.44_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7670) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task not paused when computer in use (Message 47131)
Posted 8 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Show us a part of the log where both a CPDN model and an AP run and then you go active on the computer. Now we don't see anything about that. If need be, check for past logs in the stdoutdae.txt log file in your data directory.

Apropos, there have been fixes to BOINC lately to make sure applications really get exited when BOINC gives either a kill or suspend command. But these fixes are in versions after 7.0.28, so unless you want to test the latest available alpha version, you won't see any fixes towards this.

To get the latest alpha, see the development version at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
7671) Message boards : Projects : Attaching some projects to my account is problematic (Message 47121)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
I found http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewmember?member=Joe+Bloggs, which shows that someone, probably you, made that account on Jan 2, 2006 3:47:27 PM

So what you could do is go to http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/login/forgotPassword.do, fill in your nickname and click the submit button, then see if it gives you a challenge, or send you an email. If the latter, check all your (old) email addresses if something from WCG comes in. Don't forget to check the spam box as well.

Also what about projects not listed on BOINC at all? Like Folding@home?

What about them? They're not of the BOINC franchise, so to say, so any credits, points, golden doubloons or platinum records you get with them won't show up on any BOINC statistics, as those are for BOINC projects only.
7672) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC having trouble connecting to client (Message 47118)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see When requesting help on these forums..., post 34096, for what we require.
7673) Message boards : GPUs : How to utilize my HD4250 and HD5670 (Message 47113)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this an unavoidable bug with the current version of BOINC? Or is there something in the config file I can change? FWIW I didn't have to change config_cc.xml (or something like that) for both cards to be detected and run.

Yes, there's something you can set in cc_config.xml, it being either the use of the <ignore_ati_dev/>:
<ignore_ati_dev>N</ignore_ati_dev>

Fill in the device number of the GPU you do not want to use. Can be used for multiple GPUs, one line per GPU. Reminder: Zero will disable device zero, it does not disable the line, only removal does.

This ignores the whole device though, for any project you want to use it on.

If you want to use one GPU on one project and the other on another projects, you can use the <exclude_gpu/> function:
<exclude_gpu>code</exclude_gpu>

Don't use the given GPU for the given project. If <device_num> is not specified, exclude all GPUs of the given type. <type> is required if your computer has more than one type of GPU; otherwise it can be omitted. <app> specifies the short name of an application (i.e. the <name> element within the <app> element in client_state.xml). If specified, only tasks for that app are excluded. You may include multiple <exclude_gpu> elements. New in 6.13

<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   [<device_num>N</device_num>]
   [<type>nvidia|ati</type>]
   [<app>appname</app>]
</exclude_gpu>



If you feel you need help on setting that up, just holler. Do tell which project(s) it's for.

It's not possible yet to set one GPU on disabled until idle preferences allow it to run, while the other runs always. Maybe in a future version.
7674) Message boards : GPUs : "This GPU does not support openCL" (Message 47112)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, why that is, I don't know. It's why I wonder what exactly boinc looks for to see what a GPU supports.

BOINC checks for the presence of OpenCL.dll underneath the Windows directory, and any of its sub-directories. It'll be in /System32/

Which drivers did you install?
7675) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Work Units Only (Message 47108)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Often some 'new concept' code replaces the old, it takes time someone to figure out what is changed and edit the relevant wiki pages.

Often even it happens that I read something in one of the Wiki's (there's two official ones), that was changed a long time ago, but no one had bothered up till that point to change it. perhaps others hadn't seen it either, or it's on someone's ever growing to-do list (been there), or there's some other cause that the documentation isn't up-to-date.

More often it happens that another user comes onto a forum somewhere asking for clarification about a thing in the Wiki's... like it happened here. ;-)
7676) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't Attach to project or account manager (Message 47098)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the Step by step setup instructions at http://boincstats.com/en/bam/

BAM! isn't something we make or control. Any questions you have about it, that aren't covered in their Frequently Asked Questions are best asked at its forums.
7677) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Work Units Only (Message 47097)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actually, most of the documentation is made by volunteers, users just like you and me. Since BOINC is evolving, this means that there's a constant lack of good documentation, as something that was true yesterday will become untrue tomorrow due to a code-change. And lots of that is 'hidden' in the source code, not always commented on by the developers either.
7678) Message boards : Questions and problems : Conflicting titles for project configuration (Message 47096)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
On the GPUGrid forums. They're using the old notation, for BOINC 6 and previous versions. The newer one is for BOINC 7 and up.

Where BOINC 6 would for instance report work and immediately ask a new task, BOINC 7.0 will try to store a couple of "ready to report" results, report them and immediately request work only when BOINC is under the value set by the Minimum work buffer.

This means that when you have left your old BOINC 6 values for "Connect to" + "Additional work" at, example given 0.1 and 1.0, that BOINC 7.0 will ask for 1.1 days worth of work and ONLY renew this cache when it's fallen under the 0.1 days worth of work limit.

Which means that it can happen that your BOINC runs empty, because 7.0 won't request new work before it has dropped below the 'minimum work' setting and will only ask for work up to the 'and additional' setting --and that only from the project that has the highest priority (worst REC to resource share ratio). Only if that project doesn't have work it will ask other projects in order of priority.
7679) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Work Units Only (Message 47081)
Posted 6 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use the project preferences to set "use CPU" to No and whichever GPU(s) you have to Yes.

Example given: Einstein project preferences http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/prefs.php?subset=project:

Use CPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ no
Use ATI GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ yes
Use NVIDIA GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ no
7680) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bonic Middleware Server (Message 47056)
Posted 5 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could of course run BOINC on those machines with a minimum cache, or even with a cc_config.xml file that has in its options:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<fetch_minimal_work>1</fetch_minimal_work>
</options>
</cc_config>


This fetches one task per device (CPU and GPU). It requires BOINC 6.12 or better.

BOINC can be run from VM, for instance Virtual Box. It'll run normally on that, however it cannot run on GPUs as the virtual videocard is usually a low-end emulated card only, not capable of CUDA, CAL or OpenCL.
7681) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 47047)
Posted 4 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
The outage at Seti and here has been averted. Perhaps happening at a later time and date. We'll let you know then.
7682) Message boards : Projects : SETI@home is a waste of time, computing power & electricity (Message 47031)
Posted 3 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe you best go moderate your own forum and leave moderation of this forum to the mods chosen to do the job which I see does not include you.

As far as I read Blurf's post it was a general hint, whether you want to follow it or not. There's absolutely no need to go dictate to others what they should or shouldn't do here, doggybob (or should I say Dagorath?). You're no longer a moderator here anymore either, after you screwed up by banishing the administrator of a project you didn't like the looks of.

So I would appreciate it if you took a big step back as well, read your posts out loud to yourself before posting them, to decide for yourself if your latest post required the reader to wear asbestos or not, and else just not to post it.

Or are you saying your browser automatically comes to this forum in spite of everything you've done to stop it? And then it forces you to read all of these messages that disagree with your opinion? And you're not man enough to take that?

Yeah, likewise. Your browser seems to automatically return here as well, in spite of one or more accounts being banished. Is it us you can't live with, or are you just flaccid?

I warned you yesterday and asked you to behave, after your --then-- latest flame fest. It would seem you have difficulty reading, have difficult understanding requests from moderators, or plainly have difficulty dealing with anyone else online. I only tend to warn once. Therefore, I've decided to give this account of yours a one week leave.

Yes, I am aware that you can re-register without trouble. Any next account you post with will just be banished again.
7683) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC for synology DSM based servers (Message 47009)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even if there were a BOINC client for it, you're not out of the woods yet. You'll also need a Seti application that's capable of running on that OS. And as far as I know, there aren't any.
7684) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC powering down computer - use ended (Message 47007)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile Jord
Post:
And when was the last time you checked for dust-bunnies inside it?
Have you ever cleaned out any dust?
Did you check the temperature of the CPU (cores) while the system was under load? How high were they?
Have you checked that the fan is still spinning?


Powering off can be a safe-guard by the CPU for when it overheats. Especially on A<D processors, as these tend to overheat and just burn out, instead of clock down and continue as its Intel counterpart will do.
7685) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not using AMD GPU (Message 46956)
Posted 31 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
- Uninstall BOINC through Add/Remove Programs (XP) or Uninstall a Program (Vista/7/8).

- Start the BOINC installer of the BOINC you want to install.
-> Click Next.
-> Put the radio button on "I accept.." and click Next.
-> Click Advanced.
-> Uncheck Protected application execution and click Next.
-> Click Install.
-< Click Finish.

7686) Message boards : GPUs : "This GPU does not support openCL" (Message 46947)
Posted 31 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Clean driver installs didn't solve it.

How clean? Did you just uninstall the previous drivers and install the next, thinking that's clean? Or did you use something like Driver Sweeper, or Driver Fusion to thoroughly get rid of all old drivers and then install the new ones?

Just copying an OpenCL.dll in other places isn't going to work. It isn't just OpenCL.dll that makes OpenCL work. You'll need to install it with the drivers.
7687) Message boards : Questions and problems : Runtime error (Message 46945)
Posted 30 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, nothing there, other than that all your tasks are over the deadline.

You stated you had a runtime error. What about the error files?
1. In your BOINC Data directory, default at C:\ProgramData\BOINC\, find and open stderrdae.txt and see what's in it that corresponds with when you had the runtime error.
2. In Windows Event Viewer, at Start->Administrative Tools->Windows Event Viewer, what are there for errors or warnings in the system and application logs for around the time that you had the runtime error?
7688) Message boards : Questions and problems : Runtime error (Message 46939)
Posted 30 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
To get to the (start-up) messages, in BOINC 6.10 and before, click the Messages tab. In BOINC 6.12, 7.0 and after, when in Advanced view press CTRL+SHIFT+E.
7689) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46921)
Posted 27 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti pre-outage warning:
Due to lab-wide electrical repairs there will be a complete power outage from January 4th to January 6th, during which all our servers will be unreachable. We are also having our server closet air conditioner repaired, and will be completely off line from January 14th to January 15th.


BOINC pre-outage warning:
The BOINC web site and other services will be offline on 5 January 2013 because of a planned power outage at Space Sciences Laboratory.
7690) Message boards : The Lounge : Gerry Anderson, Thunderbirds creator dies, age 83 (Message 46918)
Posted 26 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-20845407
http://www.jamieanderson.me.uk/blog/

We'll remember you, Mr. Anderson!

Thunderbirds are go!
7691) Message boards : Questions and problems : using git fails to download boinc code (Message 46911)
Posted 25 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll forward your plight to the Captain. :-)
7692) Message boards : GPUs : GTX 690 on i7 3770K (Message 46909)
Posted 23 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm interested in the Seti project

That is nice, but we are not the Seti project. You've reached the BOINC Development forums. BOINC is the managing program through which you can run projects such as Seti. But other than that, there's little help we can give on specifics like that, unless a Seti user wanders in here with a same configuration.

Therefore, please post in the Seti forums.
-> If you have accumulated credit and got a Recent Average Credit (RAC) of 1 or more, you can post in the Seti Number Crunching forum.
-> If you lack RAC, you can post about it in the one of the Seti Q&A forums.
7693) Message boards : Questions and problems : Runtime error (Message 46907)
Posted 23 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please pass by on this thread and provide more information, if you require assistance? With thanks.
7694) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't login to program (Message 46901)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
>This password is stored in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in your BOINC Data directory.

That won't help here.

It still helps as BOINC makes a random password that it stores in that file, when it first starts.

But what name do you fill in? It's not User Name that it asks for, it's Host Name. The Host Name is the name of your computer, not the name of the account you're logged in with. Again, normally leaving both entries empty and clicking OK should work. If not, something is blocking BOINC Manager contacting the client, and that something is usually a firewall or anti-virus/anti-malware program.

If you run Windows XP or above, you do have to allow BOINC (boinc.exe) and BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) through your firewall on the localhost. When your firewall requires a port number, it's 31416.
Boinc.exe needs to be able to contact the internet on port 80 and 443.

7695) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't login to program (Message 46898)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I moved your post to this thread, the previous one you had on the same subject.

And again, what do you mean? Do you mean the name and password for BOINC Manager?
Usually you don't have to fill in anything in either the Host Name and Password boxes, and just click OK.

But if that doesn't work, then there's a chance you set a password at one time or another. This password is stored in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in your BOINC Data directory. Depending on the OS its default place is:

Windows 98/SE/ME: C:\Windows\All Users\BOINC\ or C:\Windows\Profiles\All Users\BOINC\ (*)
Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ (*)
Windows Vista/Windows 7: C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ (*)
Linux: wherever you unpack it/BOINC/
Macintosh OS X: /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/

In Windows the directory will be hidden.
7696) Message boards : News : New project seeks testers (Message 46889)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPU only, as shown by http://volpex.cs.uh.edu/VCP/apps.php
7697) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't login to program (Message 46880)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Messages are in the Event Log, under CTRL+SHIFT+E.

And as for the rest... which screen name and password? When you try to add a project, or when your BOINC Manager tries to contact the client? What's the failure message?
7698) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc does not recognize OpenCL (Nvidia GTS450) (Message 46875)
Posted 21 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As the "[error] Missing coprocessor for task poempp_gpucrystal_1355075903_653427590_0;" line shows, BOINC was perfectly capable of detecting the OpenCL at an earlier time. Until something changed, drivers perhaps? Did you install newer drivers?

As that's what it'll come down to. BOINC checks if a certain library file is installed by the drivers, and if it cannot find this, it won't be able to tell that the GPU is OpenCL capable.

All Nvidia GPUs that can do CUDA are OpenCL capable, but it needs to be activated through drivers. So all I can offer you is to uninstall the drivers again, perhaps clean them out with Driver Sweeper, then reinstall them. And if newer drivers still don't give the OpenCL capability, go back to older drivers that obviously did.
7699) Message boards : Projects : Pulse Scores accumulation stats (Message 46871)
Posted 20 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

You've reached the BOINC Development forums, where you can post about things such as the BOINC client and the BOINC Manager graphical user interface.

BOINC does not do any science, that's done by the science applications of the project you have added. Any such questions about what the science application does, what its output is and how much credit you get per given task is something you will have to ask at the project's forums. It's no use to ask here, as we have no say in the matter.

If you still want to ask at these projects, you'll have to give us a clue as to which project you're talking about, as from the minute bit that you posted it's rather difficult to make a guess.
7700) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.28 client connection issues (Message 46869)
Posted 20 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before I yell at the developers (... ;-)), can you please try if our latest test victim BOINC 7.0.42 displays the same problems?

You can find download links for it in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6698&postid=46743 (last post of that thread).
7701) Message boards : GPUs : Milky Way fails on my GPU (Message 46860)
Posted 18 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The resources should not be a problem.

Wrong resources. It's not resources as in 'everything capable of doing calculations in your computer', or 'memory and disk values'. It's resources that OpenCL uses to set up the kernels, store kernels, do calculations on them.

So definitely something in the science application and thus something that Milkyway will want to know about. The thing I quoted from Khronos, you may want to copy & paste that in your thread at Milkyway, they may want to know about it.

Khronos are the developers of OpenCL, it's their explanation of what CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES stands for.

So it has nothing to do with how well Einstein and Seti run on your GPU. Neither Seti nor Einstein's applications have been compiled by the people from Milkyway. Only their own application has been compiled by them and it's this thing that gives that error. So please stop searching outside the box. It's not there to be found. :-)
7702) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 'suspened' but progress bar keeps moving (Message 46857)
Posted 18 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you run more than one task at the same time on the GPU? Some people run 2 to 6 of them. And then it's possible that the 2nd to 6th application does not get the 'suspend' message from BOINC. So in that case is that an application bug, where it's ignoring what the BOINC client tells it to. Although no application builder builds his apps specifically to be run in multitude on a GPU.
7703) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing for email (Message 46856)
Posted 18 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Test 2.
7704) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing for email (Message 46855)
Posted 18 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Test 1.
7705) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing for email (Message 46854)
Posted 18 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Testing to see if I get subscription emails.
7706) Message boards : GPUs : Milky Way fails on my GPU (Message 46846)
Posted 18 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not many tasks left over with an error in them, only one. So I'll lift the information from it, but it sounds to me like your GPUs ran out of memory or other resources.

<core_client_version>7.0.28</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
 - exit code -5 (0xfffffffb)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
BOINC: parse gpu_opencl_dev_index 0
<search_application> milkyway_separation 1.02 Windows x86_64 double OpenCL </search_application>
Unrecognized XML in project preferences: max_gfx_cpu_pct
Skipping: 20
Skipping: /max_gfx_cpu_pct
Unrecognized XML in project preferences: allow_non_preferred_apps
Skipping: 1
Skipping: /allow_non_preferred_apps
Unrecognized XML in project preferences: nbody_graphics_poll_period
Skipping: 30
Skipping: /nbody_graphics_poll_period
Unrecognized XML in project preferences: nbody_graphics_float_speed
Skipping: 5
Skipping: /nbody_graphics_float_speed
Unrecognized XML in project preferences: nbody_graphics_textured_point_size
Skipping: 250
Skipping: /nbody_graphics_textured_point_size
Unrecognized XML in project preferences: nbody_graphics_point_point_size
Skipping: 40
Skipping: /nbody_graphics_point_point_size
BOINC GPU type suggests using OpenCL vendor 'NVIDIA Corporation'
Error loading Lua script 'astronomy_parameters.txt': [string "number_parameters: 4..."]:1: '<name>' expected near '4' 
Error reading astronomy parameters from file 'astronomy_parameters.txt'
  Trying old parameters file
Using AVX path
Found 2 platforms
Platform 0 information:
  Name:       NVIDIA CUDA
  Version:    OpenCL 1.1 CUDA 4.2.1
  Vendor:     NVIDIA Corporation
  Extensions: cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll 
  Profile:    FULL_PROFILE
Platform 1 information:
  Name:       NVIDIA CUDA
  Version:    OpenCL 1.1 CUDA 4.2.1
  Vendor:     NVIDIA Corporation
  Extensions: cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll 
  Profile:    FULL_PROFILE
Using device 0 on platform 0
Found 2 CL devices
Device 'GeForce GTX 670' (NVIDIA Corporation:0x10de) (CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU)
Driver version:      306.97
Version:             OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
Compute capability:  3.0
Max compute units:   7
Clock frequency:     1045 Mhz
Global mem size:     2147483648
Local mem size:      49152
Max const buf size:  65536
Double extension:    cl_khr_fp64
Error creating context (-5): CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES
Error getting device and context (-5): CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES
Failed to calculate likelihood
<background_integral> 1.#QNAN0000000000 </background_integral>
<stream_integral>  1.#QNAN0000000000  1.#QNAN0000000000  1.#QNAN0000000000 </stream_integral>
<background_likelihood> 1.#QNAN0000000000 </background_likelihood>
<stream_only_likelihood>  1.#QNAN0000000000  1.#QNAN0000000000  1.#QNAN0000000000 </stream_only_likelihood>
<search_likelihood> 1.#QNAN0000000000 </search_likelihood>
10:16:09 (1936): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>

Error -5 is a science application error.
CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES happens when the GPU has literally run out of resources it can use. Only one of the meanings is that it's run out of memory, it can e.g. also run out processors.

From Khronos:
CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES if there is a failure to queue the execution instance of kernel on the command-queue because of insufficient resources needed to execute the kernel. For example, the explicitly specified local_work_size causes a failure to execute the kernel because of insufficient resources such as registers or local memory. Another example would be the number of read-only image args used in kernel exceed the CL_DEVICE_MAX_READ_IMAGE_ARGS value for device or the number of write-only image args used in kernel exceed the CL_DEVICE_MAX_WRITE_IMAGE_ARGS value for device or the number of samplers used in kernel exceed CL_DEVICE_MAX_SAMPLERS for device.


So you'll have to go back to the Milkyway forums and ask them about that.
7707) Message boards : Questions and problems : No more running tasks; reason hard to find (Message 46836)
Posted 17 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, I seem to remember that BOINC is something David came up with, not you. It is however an Open Source program, you can go and download the source code, change everything you don't like, add to it and then release it under a name of your own.
7708) Message boards : Questions and problems : No more running tasks; reason hard to find (Message 46833)
Posted 17 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
doggybob wrote:
I suggested a button..

David Anderson wrote:
No need to discuss extensions to the messages mechanism.


LigH wrote:
more obvious warnings

David Anderson wrote:
We have a mechanism for informing the user of conditions that require their attention: notices.

So, the out-of-disk condition should get a notice.
7709) Message boards : Questions and problems : No more running tasks; reason hard to find (Message 46827)
Posted 16 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, before everyone thinks that I feel nothing should be changed about BOINC, it isn't that. I know certain things about BOINC should be made easier, better documented, rewritten and I send in a lot of things I find on these and other forums in to the developers, lots of which have made it onto their to-do list.

The real problem here though is that there are only 3 developers busy with BOINC, their time is limited. These people will want to spend time with their family and friends, just as you do, not live and breathe BOINC 24/7. So when they are to change something about the client, is it more important to try to squash some bugs, or that the information messages are dumbed down?

At one point in time it's very probable that the developers stop their development, them splitting off to other venues, and you'll be looking at the last available Berkeley client, its development then resting purely on the shoulders of you, the vast and unpaid community.

Another problem is how eloquent are you going to be? And how long is the translation going to be in other languages? Yes, an error message can become more eloquent, stretch for 3 or more lines in English, but how is that going to be translated in all the languages that BOINC is available in?

But whereas "Not requesting tasks: scheduler RPC backoff" can be easily translated into different languages, perhaps something like "Not requesting asks: the last time that BOINC tried to do this, either the server didn't answer, or your internet had its own troubles, or there was no work available. BOINC is backing off for so many minutes before it tries again automatically. You can stop mashing the Update button." is a bit more difficult to translate. ;-)

If there was money enough at Berkeley, if they had programmers available to them, if there were enough people willing to do research, learn and document, I'm sure it would all be possible. Programmers and documenters aren't going to help out if they aren't going to be paid for it. Everyone always feels others will have to do it for them, if that makes it easier to them.

Then to say "Yeah, but I don't know anything about the program", just isn't good enough. You'll get the answer, "Why not go and try to learn about it? It's what you expect of someone else to do as well, as how else is the other person going to make the program easier to understand?"
7710) Message boards : Questions and problems : No more running tasks; reason hard to find (Message 46826)
Posted 16 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it really such a hardship to explain how the system works?

Yes, as it comes down to either the 3 developers having to do it, and they think too technical, or to one of its users to do it, and then that's you, me, or any of the other 2 million users...

Now you are expecting the 3 developers to go write and dumb it down for you. So why not do it yourself? Why should others do it?

There's a BOINC Wiki here, in which you can go explain all you want. The only thing you need for it is an account, and to stop spammers from filling the Wiki up with crap, the account creation's done by one of the developers only, or in this case David Anderson. So go on email him, request an account for the BOINC User Wiki and explain that you're going to be adding explanations that the mere mortals can read, follow and understand.

I have to say, it'll be more than interesting to see other people than the established ones (3 or 4) writing and adjusting things in the user Wiki.

But why do I have the feeling you won't do that and are still expecting someone else to do it? Not having any experience with how BOINC does its things is not a good enough reason, you can learn all about that. :-)

Not exactly sure what you mean by erroneous work

All returned results that did not validate correctly are erroneous.
7711) Message boards : Questions and problems : No more running tasks; reason hard to find (Message 46821)
Posted 16 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
doggybob wrote:
...but your average BOINCer doesn't have a clue about stdoutdae, where to find it, what a text editor is, how to open a file in it, let alone how to search for things.

Which is the intent of the Messages window. Before this time it was a Messages tab in BOINC Manager, yet 'the average BOINC user' would perceive all messages in there as error messages, get scared and uninstall BOINC. That doesn't help science at all.

And so there's a somewhat hidden Messages window, for the more advanced types of people, who know a thing or two about their computer and about BOINC. You can adjust the amount of information you see through adding or subtracting flags in the client configuration file cc_config.xml.

As for the actual task related errors, they're easily found at the project web sites. All errors are stored as Errors in the Tasks section of Your Account, the stderr.txt part of the task is stored with every task's Result ID outcome. If you need help then, you can point to such an error in the project forums.

Steve Hawker* wrote:
"Not requesting tasks: project is not highest priority".
Aside from the missing words which I believe should be "... according to BOINC manager and nothing to do with Resource Share settings", it would be helpful and useful to users to have a method for seeing the current list and some data that helps the user understand why a particular project has a particular priority (according to BOINC manager). How about listing the project priority on the Projects tab?

That's correct, the priority at which the next project is chosen for work fetch has nothing to do with resource share.

To see the current list of projects with priorities, enable the <work_fetch_debug> flag in the client configuration file cc_config.xml
Then you get an output similar to this:
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] work fetch start
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] buffer_low: no; sim_excluded_instances 0
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] buffer_low: no; sim_excluded_instances 0
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] ------- start work fetch state -------
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] target work buffer: 86400.00 + 43200.00 sec
16/12/2012 12:21:56 |  | [work_fetch] Request work fetch: Core client configuration
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] work fetch start
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] buffer_low: no; sim_excluded_instances 0
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] buffer_low: no; sim_excluded_instances 0
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] ------- start work fetch state -------
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] target work buffer: 86400.00 + 43200.00 sec
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | Einstein@Home | [work_fetch] REC 63266.431 priority -2.014316
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | SETI@home | [work_fetch] REC 871.905 priority -0.036782
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | Enigma@Home | [work_fetch] REC 114.977 priority -1000.001789
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | Albert@Home | [work_fetch] CPU: fetch share 0.000 rsc backoff (dt 0.00, inc 0.00) (blocked by prefs)
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | Einstein@Home | [work_fetch] CPU: fetch share 0.000 rsc backoff (dt 0.00, inc 0.00) (blocked by prefs)
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | SETI@home | [work_fetch] CPU: fetch share 1.000 rsc backoff (dt 0.00, inc 0.00)
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project | [work_fetch] ATI: fetch share 0.000 rsc backoff (dt 0.00, inc 0.00) (no apps)
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | Einstein@Home | [work_fetch] ATI: fetch share 1.000 rsc backoff (dt 0.00, inc 0.00)
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | SETI@home | [work_fetch] ATI: fetch share 0.000 rsc backoff (dt 0.00, inc 0.00) (blocked by prefs) (no apps)
16/12/2012 12:21:57 | Enigma@Home | [work_fetch] ATI: fetch share 0.000 rsc backoff (dt 0.00, inc 0.00) (no apps)
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] ------- end work fetch state -------
16/12/2012 12:21:57 |  | [work_fetch] No project chosen for work fetch

This one for all your CPU projects and GPU projects separately.

The scheduling priority is thus not based on what your resource share is, but on the amount of work that the projects have done. See Client Scheduler for an in-depth and highly technical write-up.

Technically seen it's not BOINC Manager either that does anything. BOINC consists of two main parts, being the client --that does all the command decisions, cache storing, downloading/uploading/other communications etc.-- and the manager --the graphical user interface, in this case called BOINC Manager, as it manages BOINC. The graphical user interface is used to give easier commands to BOINC, as else you'd have to do all that through the command line and BOINCCMD Tool commands.

"Not requesting tasks: scheduler RPC backoff".
I have no suggestion for this because I have no clue what it means. Is it something I can do something about? Or is it a failure at the server end? I'm 100% confident the developers can find a more useful and less jargonistic message.

And RPC backoff means that there's a timeout going on between your BOINC and the project servers. You can't do anything about it, just wait until it's ended. Any intrusions done by you will result in the RPC resetting and your BOINC having to wait longer.

Yet again you expect someone else to make it explained easier. It's computer jargon that probably cannot be explained easier. Check the link to RPC I gave you.

"This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress"
I understand what this means but it doesn't tell me why it was displayed. Is there a setting I can adjust? Is there anything I can do about it at all? Where can I go to see what this limit is? Having said that, in every occurrence the application then downloaded a new task and immediately started it so the warning was pointless at best.

Limits are set into place by projects to stop your computer from downloading full caches and then returning only erroneous work. There's no use in your computer getting 10+10 days of cache when all it returns is garbage. So with every erroneous task your limit per CPU per day goes down by a task, up until the point where your computer can only download 1 task per CPU (core) or GPU per day. The rest of that day you will see that error.

What can you do about it? Check why your computer is returning only erroneous work. Clean it, give it better drivers, check that hardware is still intact, etc. When your computer starts returning correct work again, the cache limit will double with each correctly returned task.

Some projects have a maximum of amounts of tasks you can download at the same time, such as Milkyway, it only allows 6 tasks to be downloaded at a time. You will get this same message when your computer requests more work, but it still has the 6 tasks in cache, or at least not reported.

"Task <task name> exited with zero status but no 'finished' file"
I'm then warned I may need to reset the project. However, all these tasks restarted automatically and completed and earned credit. I still do not know why this warning was given, nor why I should reset the project, especially as work restarted and completed successfully.

Yep, that can happen. The science application lost contact with the BOINC client or vice versa, and each time that happens, BOINC will print that message.

It can have been that your anti virus or other anti-malware program was in the way and actively scanning the science application. Therefore we advise to exclude the BOINC Data directory and every file and sub-directory in it in your anti-virus and other anti-malware programs and to only scan these directories by hand after you suspended BOINC, or stopped it.
7712) Message boards : Questions and problems : Worked then problem came back. (Message 46818)
Posted 15 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Permissions. When you installed BOINC, did you check "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC"?



If not, you can either uninstall and reinstall, then in the 3rd screen click Advanced to get to the screen showing above, or you can follow this BOINC FAQ to add your user's name manually to the group of allowed users.
7713) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work fetch problem with more than 1 ATI GPU, app_info & exclusions (Message 46814)
Posted 15 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What about with BOINC 7.0.42, which amongst its fix-claims has:
- Avoid GPU starvation in certain situations where <exclude_gpu> is used in cc_config.xml
7714) Message boards : Projects : Beyond light speed. (Message 46809)
Posted 14 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
These are not the Seti forums, but instead the BOINC Development forums.

The only direct link between Seti and BOINC is that both are brainchildren from Dr. Anderson, and that Dr. Anderson runs his office and thus the BOINC domain server, from the same building that Seti runs from. But we are not Seti, nor are these the Seti forums.

I would appreciate it if you stopped being an ass. We're quite open on these forums, we allow a lot more than they do at the Seti forums, we're more adult minded. That said, we also don't allow certain things, such as spamming the forums in any kind of way, or returning with (multiple) new accounts after your first account was banished. (Veiled) Nudity is also a no-no.

Now, you're welcome to continue on these forums with this account, you can post just about anything you want around here, perhaps someone will answer, but the more likely scenario is that most people will ignore you.

One final note:
We do record who makes new accounts, and once every so many weeks the database is cleared of spammer accounts. I won't find many accounts of yours when I check the list of new accounts, will I?
7715) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC client and violation of user privacy (Message 46806)
Posted 14 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is unclear why information about OS name and its version is needed to be sent

Because not all projects support Windows, or Linux, or OS X.
Because not all projects support all versions of Windows (being 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, ME, 98 SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 and 8)
Because not all projects support older Linux versions, or older OS X versions.
Because although the CPU may be a 64bit CPU, it doesn't necessarily run a 64bit OS, so to prevent that we're sending a 64bit application to a 32bit only OS...

if one specified --with-boinc-alt-platform and specified OS does not match installed OS (when ABI compatibility mode is used on a local system).

Any use of the client configuration file needs a user that knows what he's doing, knows the ins- and outs of BOINC a bit, is more than Joe Standard.

There is no --alt_platform command line switch for the client, you can only use cc_config.xml to determine another platform using the <alt_platform>platform_name</alt_platform> tags.

You only use --with-boinc-alt-platform=NAME when you compile a client under Linux, which should use an alternate OS platform name than the default one given. From [trac]wiki:BuildSystem[/trac]:
Use this option to build an client that supports an alternate platform name. For example, on a x86_64 linux system that supports both 64 bit and 32 bit executables, you might specify --with-boinc-platform=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu and --with-boinc-alt-platform=i686-pc-linux-gnu.

Here I cannot agree that sending local user account information to remote server is a correct idea.

As far as I know, BM doesn't send any information, not even to a remote server. When you use BM to connect to a remote computer, it sends a question for the password --as stored in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in the BOINC Data directory on the remote computer. It reads the local remote_hosts.cfg file to see which IP addresses or computer names (e.g. on the LAN) it should go to to see if there's a client there that will react, through RPC.

Then when you are prompted for the password, it'll be for computer Such_and_So or IP address xx.xx.xx.xx plus the password. BOINC Manager does not do anything with any user name it fetches from the computer.

The only user name that it shows in the Projects tab is the user name you used to make an account with on the project server. By default BOINC will use the OS account name you use to run BOINC with for this account. Unless you change that, of course. So if you run your OS under the name Bill, your account at e.g. Seti will be Bill, and that will be the name showing in BOINC Manager. And then only in the Projects tab, under the Account column.
7716) Message boards : Questions and problems : No more running tasks; reason hard to find (Message 46803)
Posted 14 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
How more obvious? When you have no more room for BOINC to work in, it will tell you that. Then you get messages such as e.g. Message from server: SETI@home Enhanced needs 32.00MB more disk space. You currently have 0.00 MB available and it needs 32.00 MB.

If you want 'more obvious' messages, then please tell how. Give examples of what you think is a better warning. Perhaps that the developers can then add it.

Instead you now complain about it and expect someone else to solve it and come up with a better way of communicating the problem to the user.
7717) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the correct way to install Boinc screensaver in Ubuntu 12.10 (Message 46787)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom forgot to add it for 7.0.40 and 7.0.42, but he assures me that there will be a compiled X screen saver with 7.0.43. Whether or not it's working, is still anyone's guess.

I'll still try to get it and test it out.
7718) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 46774)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I edited your title with [RESOLVED] to the end. As I figured that that was what you wanted when you gave it as an example. So no bug, just a nosy moderator in the way. ;-)
7719) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 46770)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
People, you can stop PMing me with requests that I forward all your enhancement request information to the developers. I already did that mostly based on the contents of this thread.

Could you summarise what requests you've received, please?

As I said, mostly what's been asked for in this thread as well, the option to re-read all config files from BM.

Added to that the request for some better documentation, including where to find all of the specific parts of what the app_config.xml file needs. Or add a warning that it's to be used by Super Über Extremely Advanced Power users only. ;-)

And have the documentation in one place only. There's nothing as confusing as having the same documentation in two places and both differing from each other.
7720) Message boards : API : XP - minimum processses and services needed to run Boinc (Message 46761)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on which BOINC you're talking about. Since you posted in the API forum, that makes you a programmer, right? So then you must mean the BOINC back-end, right? ;-)

That requires Linux. So there.

If on the other hand you're asking about the client, the thing that steers the science applications in the right direction, then you need at minimum Windows XP.

For the GPU to work, it requires drivers made by the GPU manufacturer, not by Windows.
If it's an ATI/AMD GPU and you want to run OpenCL applications on it, you require Windows Vista or above. This is a requirement by the GPU manufacturer, not by BOINC.

BOINC should be installed as a user installation, not as a service --aka protected application execution, as then the GPU detection won't work.

Other than that, check with the project of choice what OSes they stock applications for. Most do Windows, but some are Linux only.
7721) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 'suspened' but progress bar keeps moving (Message 46760)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Me2 on a Win 7/64 Pro w/ATI Firepro 4800 board. BOINC 7.0.28 (x64)

And you have told the affected project about this? As, as Richard indicates, it's very well possible that the project's science application is not 'listening' to what BOINC is telling it to do and ignoring the suspend request. then it's up to the project to fix that, as what else is BOINC to do about it when the science application ignores the command decisions?
7722) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc kills my Internet (Message 46759)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The most common error I am getting is the network being unable to access the gateway.

Can you please give the Windows error for this one? You should be able to find it in the Event Viewer in Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer->Windows logs->System. But check Application as well, see if there's any errors shown for when BOINC runs.

You say you 'bought a new copy of Windows 7', so what were you using before?
Are you using the Wifi section of your Netgear modem/router, or are you wired?

Can you access the router's login page?
(default settings is
IP address: 192.168.0.1 (alternate login URL http://www.routerlogin.net/)
login: admin
password: password)

If you can, is the gateway's IP address the same here as the one in your network (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Connections ->right-click your network connection->properties, select 'internet protocol 4'->properties.
What are the settings here for IP address and DNS numbers?
Next click Advanced->is DHCP enabled? What does it say under Gateway?
Next open a command line window (Start->All Programs->Accessories->Command Prompt, type in ipconfig /all
In among the text, does it give the default gateway there? Is it as your Netgear says it is, or is it not showing? (which is normal by the way, if it isn't. No need to worry if there's no gateway value showing in Windows).
7723) Message boards : Questions and problems : Worked then problem came back. (Message 46757)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
First see the standard causes.

By allowing it through the Windows firewall, what did you do?
7724) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Request: Separate GPU work period (Message 46756)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already in the developer to do list, but no set time frame for when it will be added.
7725) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 46755)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
People, you can stop PMing me with requests that I forward all your enhancement request information to the developers. I already did that mostly based on the contents of this thread.
7726) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recommended won't work (Message 46746)
Posted 12 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any newer versions of boinc won't work on this system, believe you me, I've tried.

So what, if any, is the error message that you get?
Or else please define what you mean with "won't work". Does it not start up? Does it not fetch work? Does it not run any work?
7727) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 46743)
Posted 12 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.42 available for testing for Macintosh, Linux and Windows.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new test version up. I hope everyone enjoyed the break while we migrated to different toolsets behind the scenes.

The major changes since the last development release are:

- Support for Intel GPUs.
These GPUs are present on Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processors. If you have one of these, make sure the GPU is being detected. (Note from Jord: As far as I know, only Intel GPUs on Ivy Bridge have OpenCL support. That's the Intel HD Graphics 2500 and 4000. There no support for 2000 and 3000.)
Currently we don't know of a project that has apps that use Intel GPUs; if you know of one please post to this email list.

- Avoid GPU starvation in certain situations where <exclude_gpu> is used in cc_config.xml

- Add the "app configuration" feature that lets you change some parameters (e.g. GPU and CPU usage) of GPU apps sent from projects. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientAppConfig

- Properly detect GPU memory for NVIDIA GPUs.

- Windows: properly detect Windows shutting down, and suspend the client and apps.

- Windows: pre-allocate large files (such as VM images) to reduce fragmentation of these files.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha and report any bugs to this email list.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.40 --> 7.0.41:

  • adjust_user_priority: scale FLOP count by app's min_avg_pfc to account for systematic errors in FLOP count - adjust_user_priority: get total project RAC by summing RAC of app versions where RAC has been updated in past week - feeder: add --priority_asc option (for when wu.priority is a logical time).
  • Manager: compile fixes for OpenBSD. From RustyBSD.
  • client (unix): rename() doesn't work between filesystems.
    If the user has set things up so that slots/ is a symlink to a different filesystem, things won't work when the client moves output files from the slot to project dir.
    Solution: if rename() fails, try system("mv ...") since mv works across filesystems.

  • Manager: Fix Mac bug introduced by recent OpenBSD compile fixes.
  • Fix build environment help scripts for Windows.
  • MGR: Minor fix to the OpenCL output for Intel GPUs.
  • client: Hook up the XML portion of the Intel GPU detection code so the server scheduler knows about it.
  • client: Print out the peak flops for the Intel GPU, the regular OpenCL descriptions do not show peak flops.
  • client/server: fix build breaks introduced last night with a variable rename.
  • client/server: Make sure the GPU Type field is really classified as an Intel GPU.
  • client/manager: tweaks to Intel GPU code.
  • client: win compile fix.
  • client: add new file gpu_intel.cpp to Xcode project.
  • client: replace ignore_nvidia_dev etc. with an array. PRINCIPLE: AVOID PER-GPU-TYPE VARIABLES
  • get rid of alloca() stuff in gutil.cpp; almost certainly not needed.
  • don't include malloc.h; it doesn't exist on BSD systems.
  • minor code cleanup from RustyBSD.
  • client: clean up redundant and confusing GPU descriptions.
    Problems:
    COPROC_NVIDIA::description() is really description of CUDA GPUs.
    COPROC_ATI::description() is really description of CAL GPUs.
    On Windows and Linux, AMD OpenCL and CAL always coexist, and NVIDIA OpenCL and CUDA always coexist. But on the Mac, AMD OpenCL always exists without CAL and NVIDIA OpenCL often exists without CUDA. Therefore, BOINC has never shown peak-flops on the Mac for AMD or for NVIDIA without CUDA because it does not display COPROC_ATI::description() and may not display COPROC_NVIDIA::description().

    On all OS's, INTEL GPU OpenCL will always exist without any vendor-proprietary GPU computation framework, so COPROC_INTEL::description() would never show COPROC_USED.

    Solutions:
    [1] Instead of adding "(OpenCL only)" to these descriptions just to show peak-flops for these cases, show peak_flops in all OpenCL descriptions.
    [2] Preface COPROC_NVIDIA::description() with "CUDA: " and preface COPROC_ATI::description() with "CAL: " to match the "OpenCL: " preface in OPENCL_DEVICE_PROP::description().
    [3] Eliminate useless COPROC_INTEL::description().

  • client: COPROC_NVIDIA, COPROC_ATI and COPROC_INTEL constructors must initialize the entire struct, not just the GPU type field.



Preliminary Change Log 7.0.41 --> 7.0.42:


  • client: fix a few variable naming issue that cropped up during the merge to the 7.0.x branch.
  • lib: the XML type field for an Intel GPU is INTEL_GPU, not INTEL.
  • client: fix changes lost in previous merge from trunk: COPROCS::clear() should call intel_gpu.clear()
  • client: fix changes lost in previous merge from trunk: set OPENCL_DEVICE_PROP::peak_flops field for COPROC_ATI when CAL is present for COPROC_NVIDIA when CUDA is present.
  • Manager: remove sqlite3.c from Xcode project; add build script to build libsqlite3.a from source files downloaded from sqlite3.org
  • lib: actually let's make it "intel_gpu".




Available installers:

Macintosh 7.0.42
- boinc_7.0.42_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.42_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.42_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Windows 7.0.42
- boinc_7.0.42_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.42_windows_x86_64.exe

Linux 7.0.42
- boinc_7.0.42_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.42_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7728) Message boards : BOINC client : Advanced CPU scheduling (Message 46742)
Posted 12 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you'd taken a look at the wish list thread (stickied here at the top of this forum), you'd have seen it was asked there multiple times already and that it's actually already in the list of previously asked enhancements and what the developers answered to it. It's the "Use at most... for CPU and GPU." FAQ.

As you can see there, it's on the to do list with no estimate as to when it's going to be added.
7729) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC client and violation of user privacy (Message 46738)
Posted 12 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If user privacy mode is enabled by default, then default values for class HOST_INFO can be something like: localhost, 127.0.0.1, generic CPU, generic OS, etc.

And then the user's BOINC will get no work from any project, as none can determine what operating system and hardware the user possesses, so no appropriate science applications and work can be sent to it.

1. Remove wxGetUserName() and wxGetUserId() calls from clientgui/ProjectProcessingPage.cpp. Instead always ask a user to enter a user name.

After which there will be people requesting that there be an automated thing for this, that remembers their choice.

Besides, all that BOINC Manager does is retain that information on the local computer. BM is a GUI that allows you to give commands to the client. It does not send any information out on the internet, you can check that. BM does not communicate with any project's servers, that's the client.

2. Add new boolean option <user_privacy>

There is already a client configuration option for that. It's called <suppress_net_info>0|1</suppress_net_info>
If enabled, don't send this host's IP address and domain name to servers. Otherwise, this information is sent to, and stored on, servers. It is visible to you (but not other users) via the web.
7730) Message boards : BOINC Manager : New fullscreen text mode BOINC Manager for Linux (Message 46731)
Posted 12 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like it. It's what the BOINCCMD tool should do, in my opinion. I forwarded the thread to the developers. :)
7731) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc kills my Internet (Message 46730)
Posted 12 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of internet connection do you use?
Phoneline/Modem? Modem/single cat5/cat6 cable? Router/modem/single cable? Router/modem/network?

In Windows 7, did you set up a normal (Home) network, or the Homegroup network?
Are any computers on a shared LAN?
If so, do all computers have a unique IP address?

And indeed, what kind of security software do you use, just Windows Firewall or some third party suite?

Boinc.exe and Boincmgr.exe require TCP port 31416 to be open to them for internal communication. They need to have private access in the Windows firewall.
Boinc.exe requires TCP ports 80 and 443 to be open for communications on the internet. It needs only private access in the Windows firewall, unless you have it installed on a laptop and you roam around a lot, then it needs public access as well.
7732) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 'suspened' but progress bar keeps moving (Message 46712)
Posted 11 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And that's with which BOINC version and on which operating system?
If Linux and any version before 7.0.29, there's a bug in the idle detection for the (wireless) (USB) keyboards/mice in versions before 7.0.29 for Linux.

Else, make sure that you use the correct preferences. Online or local.
7733) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with BOINC and Quicktime (Message 46701)
Posted 10 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only processes being shut down by BOINC when you do right-click BOINC icon->Exit->"Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager" check-marked->OK, are:
- Any tasks running.
- the boincmgr.exe process.
- the boinc.exe process.

Nothing else.
Now, perhaps that one of the projects you run uses a shared library somewhere, but that's very doubtful. So, which projects are you running?

Yet again, do consider putting the Quicktime and Powerpoint excutables as exclusive applications in BOINC Manager. Then BOINC suspends running work while those processes run and it'll continue the work when they exit memory. See the client configuration file, options-><exclusive_app> and <exclusive_gpu_app> for more information. That way you don't have to exit BOINC.
7734) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 46694)
Posted 9 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit - the document we've all been editing is directly linked from the front page of Software Development (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwareDevelopment?version=127#Currentdevelopment), so I think it's as well that we keep it accurate, too.

Yeah, but for that David told Rom, Charlie and me that documentation for the client only needs to go into the Wiki only. Server software/project related stuff goes into the Trac/Wiki, so he's been setting this thing up in the wrong place.

I already pointed that out, don't be surprised if the one in Trac goes missing all of a sudden. ;-)
7735) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 46684)
Posted 9 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, on documentation, apparently we're not to use that one, but the 'official' one at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration .. yeah, I don't get it either. ;-)
7736) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with BOINC and Quicktime (Message 46679)
Posted 9 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So as I get it from what you say, the problem starts when you exit BOINC completely and it is no longer running? How can it be a BOINC problem then?

If everything works as it should when BOINC is running, why not keep BOINC running? Why not use the exclusive applications option to suspend BOINC when it automatically detects that you are using Powerpoint or Quicktime?

And why do you (still) use 7.0.8? Unless that's a typo and you meant .28
7737) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40 Intel GPU test project? (Message 46678)
Posted 9 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When using coproc_debug and there is no Intel GPU, there is also no mention of not finding an intel library, like it does for Nvidia and ATI/AMD GPUs

No, but that might confuse people who have an Intel CPU. And people are easily confused already. ;-)
7738) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40-42 and new app_config.xml (Message 46670)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure, but would this not require:
1. a restart of the client?
2. new tasks to be downloaded and used by it?
7739) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Non-intensive projects not considered with limited network connection (Message 46663)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's no use to have a cache of Non-CPU-intensive tasks. They're not really tasks in the sense of CPU-intensive tasks, where they actually contain data. They're usually used to do some kind of sustained measurement, over a period of time, such as Host or Network measurements, Web crawling or Network data access.

So it's normal to only have 1 NCI task, despite having a request for 1.1 days of work and 128 CPU cores available.

Edit: And as I had forgotten that you only use the network for 1 hour a day, it's probably useless to use the NCI task on your system. ;-)
7740) Message boards : Questions and problems : burp running on 8 CPU and no GUP WU running (Message 46660)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why does this keep the GPU from working especially with the collatz units that run fine with all 8 cores running single thread units.

Are there any changes being worked on to limit them to some number of cores less than all.

It isn't something that BOINC does, but in this case the BURP MT application.

Multi-threaded is something different from Hyper-threaded. Hyper-threading is a thing that Intel CPUs do to fake that they have more cores than they actually have, by running one physical core together with a virtual one. Therefore some of their 4 core CPUs can run 8 threads.

Multi-threading is that an application will use all of the CPU cores (physical and virtual) simultaneously to do its work. These cores are then running at full blast, 100%, which means that when something else needs a CPU, it'll have to wait.

Just so you have an understanding of what the CPU actually does when it does work for the GPU: The CPU is being used to read the data about the task from disk, store it in memory, translate it into something the GPU can understand, transport it to the GPU, then wait for the GPU to do the work on that, before transporting the data back to main memory, translating it back into something the humans understand and saving it to disk.

Even if you only use 2% of the CPU (2 tasks running on the GPU), it'll want to be using that 2% whenever it can and it cannot when an MT application is using all that space.

Easiest workaround is not to run MT tasks together with GPU tasks. And else complain at the project(s) involved.
7741) Message boards : BOINC client : Ubuntu 12.04 + Wireless keyboard/mouse + 'in use' option is not working (Message 46657)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's nothing to fix there from a BOINC point of view.

What you see is a side-effect of you using the graphics processor on your videocard to do science calculations and at the same time expecting it to render 2D, 3D and video information. Depending on the brand and model GPU, the speed of the bus it's in and the amount of memory the card has, these things happen.
7742) Message boards : Questions and problems : burp running on 8 CPU and no GUP WU running (Message 46656)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The SunflowerBender applications at BURP are multi-threaded, which means that they will use all the available CPU cores in the computer to run one task. It's normal.

The Seti and Collatz tasks will wait until there's at least one CPU free to be able to help them be run on the GPU.
7743) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.40 Intel GPU test project? (Message 46650)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
None that I know of, only rumours of one coming at Einstein but only after the client supporting one. All will still have to be developed. I've just been informed that there's also a Seti OpenCL application going to be tested within the next couple of weeks.
7744) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 46649)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.40 available for testing for all platforms.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.39 --> 7.0.40:

  • Mac: update Xcode project for building boinc_zip.
  • Mac: add slide-show screensaver to example_app Xcode project and Mac example_app build scripts
    example app: fix compiler warnings in slide_show.cpp
  • client: Win build fix.
  • add Visual Studio project for slide_show
    NOTE: (David) this currently doesn't build because boinc_zip is missing. I'll fix this soon.

  • client: fix bug where, when updating a project, we fail to request work even though higher-priority projects are marked as no-new-tasks or are otherwise ineligible for work fetch.
  • build fixes for OpenBSD, from rustyBSD.
  • client: TIME_STATS fields go in <time_stats> part of state file.
  • client: fix typo.
  • WIN: Introduce updated project files for the boinc_zip library used by the slide_show project.
  • WIN: Adjust the slide_show project so that it will build both 32-bit and 64-bit versions and use the boinc_zip library.
  • VBOX: Add the ability to specify both the type and model of disk controller to use. It can be specified by adding the following tags to vbox_job.xml:
    <vm_disk_controller_type></vm_disk_controller_type>
    <vm_disk_controller_model></vm_disk_controller_model>
    Executing vboxmanage --help will list the available options in the storeagectl section.

  • compile fix for FreeBSD.
  • remove deprecated MAC address code.
  • client: if a project has 64 or more ready-to-report tasks, report them.
    64 is chosen a bit arbitrarily, but the idea is to limit the number of tasks reported per RPC, and to accelerate the reporting of small tasks.
  • Mac: remove deleted files from Xcode project.
  • WIN: Fix Debug configuration which was corrupted.
  • client: if a project is anonymous platform, don't send list of alternate platforms in scheduler RPC.
  • client: fix uninitialized vars in CPU feature detection (from RustyBSD).
  • client: when reset a project, clear its scheduler URL list (force a reload of the master page).
  • Mgr: Fix Windows hangs and simplify code for notices display.
  • Fix compiler warnings.
  • client: add "client app configuration" feature; see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientAppConfig
    This lets users do the following:
    1) limit the number of concurrent jobs of a given app (e.g. for WCG apps that are I/O-intensive)
    2) Specify the CPU and GPU usage parameters of GPU versions of a given app.

    Implementation notes:
    - max app concurrency is enforced in 2 places:
    1) when building the initial job run list
    2) when enforcing the final job run list
    Both are needed to avoid possible starvation.

    - however, we don't enforce it during RR simulation.
    Doing so could cause erroneous shortfall and work fetch. This means, however, that work buffering will not work as expected if you're using max concurrency.
  • client: add the above to VS project.
  • fix mysterious problems in Windows build.
  • Fix build configuration on Windows.
  • client: bug fixes for app config feature.
  • client: add new files app_config.cpp,h to Xcode project.
  • Fix file permissions.
  • client (Win) preallocate large files to avoid file fragmentation when you write to them incrementally. (workaround for shoddy filesystem design)
  • lib: Win compile fix for boinc_allocate_file()
  • Mgr: Fix some rare issues on Windows (including a possible memory leak) when switching to a client on a different computer after trying to display notices without an Internet connection.
  • Fix corrupted line endings.
  • client: if <dont_check_file_sizes> is set, don't check file existence at startup .
  • Mac installer: add missing pclose() (from RustyBSD).
  • OpenCL: Add definition of GPU_TYPE_INTEL to match definitions of GPU_TYPE_ATI and GPU_TYPE_NVIDIA.
  • OpenCL: Change type argument of new boinc_get_opencl_ids() API from char* to int; it now accepts PROC_TYPE_NVIDIA_GPU, PROC_TYPE_AMD_GPU or PROC_TYPE_INTEL_GPU.
  • OpenCL: First pass at adding support for Intel Ivy Bridge GPUs.
  • lib: add size info to messages when realloc() fails in MFILE.
  • MGR: Fix two potential security issues with browser.cpp where the query to the cookie database could have been abused. At present neither of the two parameters originate as user input so using it as an attack vector isn't very high. Prevent the functions from being exploited in the future in case the routines were ever used in a different way.
  • VBOX: Fix build break introduced by the previous vbox commit.
  • client: strcasestr doesn't exist on Windows. (Rom)
  • client: strcasestr does exist on Windows in lib/str_replace.cpp, but I just needed to #include "str_replace.h". This is preferable because it handles INTEL as well as Intel and intel. (Charlie)
  • fix typo in GUI RPC.
  • OpenCL: Add peak FLOPS computation for Intel Ivy Bridge GPUs.
  • Mac: remove deleted files from Xcode project. (Checked into 7.0.40 tag)




Available installers:

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.40_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.40_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.40_i686-apple-darwin.zip


Linux
- boinc_7.0.40_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.40_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Windows
- boinc_7.0.40_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.40_windows_x86_64.exe

7745) Message boards : BOINC client : Ubuntu 12.04 + Wireless keyboard/mouse + 'in use' option is not working (Message 46647)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The fix for the idle detection is in BOINC 7.0.29
So either use the Berkeley installer, or try a beta BOINC from repositories, or force Ubuntu's package maintainers to update on their BOINC. 7.0.27 was never a recommended version anyway, so why they continue releasing it as one, is beyond anyone's guess.
7746) Message boards : BOINC Manager : dedicated disc for boinc processing (Message 46640)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Fedora for where Fedora puts everything when you use the repository installation.

When using the Berkeley Installer, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC where it says: The BOINC working directory can be moved elsewhere as you like, and can even be renamed. One common choice is ~/.boinc, since files and directories with names that begin with "dot" do not show up by default in Unix directory listings. Whatever the name, everything related to the BOINC client is contained within that directory, and you should always run the client and the manager from that working directory.
7747) Message boards : Questions and problems : Upgrading to Manager xx.28 (Message 46633)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Manager doesn't start the client under Linux, you'll first have to start the client, as in ./boinc/run_client --daemon

However, did you install .27 from Berkeley or from Ubuntu repositories? Because as I said earlier to you as well:

It sounds to me like you installed BOINC first from repositories and are now trying to use the Berkeley installer. I wouldn't do it, as both install BOINC to different places (blame the repository guys, really).

See The Berkeley Installer and Installing BOINC on Ubuntu for the differences.

7748) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46629)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Volunteer supplied posts about project outages will continue to appear here. Please keep it on topic, post as much about the project outage itself or return of the project only. Want to have an in-depth discussion? There's a whole forum outside this thread that you can start a new thread in.

May we please ask that when you post, to do so without adding your signature? With thanks.

To do so, when you make a post in this thread, uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" and then make your post. Your signature will still be enabled on other posts, just not this one. You can also edit your post during an hour and take the signature out.
We ask that you post without a signature to keep the purpose of this thread clear: News about project outages, not about how many credits you have or what team you want us to join.
It's not that difficult to do and it gives the moderators even less work to do, as we don't have to remove your post. So please...


_________________________________________

Continuation of the previous thread on the same subject. Since we don't have the 'paging' forum yet, any thread over 200 posts will still be forked.
7749) Message boards : BOINC client : who's smashing my stack!!??? (Message 46621)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
one of the projects I crunch requires boinc 6.12 and will not issue tasks to 7.* clients

Which one may that be and what is their reasoning behind it?
7750) Message boards : BOINC client : who's smashing my stack!!??? (Message 46617)
Posted 5 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll send it off to the developers, but I know already what they're going to ask: Can you reproduce this effect on BOINC 7.0? If not, it's already fixed in that one. But if you can, they'll be very interested.
7751) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 2 profiles: computer idle / working in the computer (Message 46616)
Posted 5 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's already in the to do list, but no estimate as to when it's going to be done.
7752) Message boards : Questions and problems : Network Connections (Message 46614)
Posted 5 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti has just returned from a multi-day outage after a power outage on the 30th of November broke their database. Expect nothing of them for the next few days, as they still have loads of problems, probably mostly from all hosts trying to report work and getting new.

So I doubt it's your new network setup, but more a coincidence with Seti's outage. Anyway, check for progress their front page and their forums. Threads aplenty about it.
7753) Message boards : Projects : ABC@home - could someone please help ? (Message 46582)
Posted 3 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jord .... I know you are very busy with BOINC Development

That's news to me. You have me too high, Byron. I don't develop BOINC, just test and run it and talk to the developers about it. :-)

could you please help me by: sending an e mail

I'll do that tomorrow, after work and before I have to take my mum to the hairdressers. ;-)
7754) Message boards : Projects : ABC@home - could someone please help ? (Message 46580)
Posted 3 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
so I guess the bottom line is that I need

one of the ... Project administrator ... at ... ABC@home

to search their database for my account's - authenticator -

and to send it to me by my account's private e mail

Yeah, that's probably the best way. So why not email Alyssa? (see their project personnel page for addresses.)
7755) Message boards : Projects : Seti@home, come on.... (Message 46577)
Posted 3 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
...crunch all the work units you can ...

LOL ...

Problems/Status 28th November, 2012 and PAUSE
Discovered some problems with result replication! and run out of
disk space at CERN. There will be a pause, for a few days at least,
while I investigate and resolve. (Wil post details soonest to the
MB Number Crunching.) Eric

http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/server_status.php says Tasks ready to send 1.

... uhuh. ;-)
7756) Message boards : Projects : ABC@home - could someone please help ? (Message 46572)
Posted 3 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think for that to work I would have had to ... to have had my computers attached to ABC@home no ?

No Byron, cookies are sent to your browser, not to the BOINC client.
A cookie is a small piece of data sent from a website and stored in a user's web browser while a user is browsing a website. (source)

So you'll have to check that under the cookies in your browser's options.
E.g. in Firefox, that's Options->Privacy->Remove individual cookies.
For IE it's in C:\Users\{Your User Name}\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies
7757) Message boards : GPUs : Inno3D GTX650 and Asus GTX660Ti OC (Message 46570)
Posted 3 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use the core client configuration file (cc_config.xml file) with either:
<ignore_nvidia_dev>N</ignore_nvidia_dev> or the <exclude_gpu> option.

The <ignore/> option will ignore the GPU outright, it won't be used on any project. The <exclude/> option can be used to fine tune usage, e.g. tell GPU 1 to be only used at projects A, C and E and GPU 2 only at projects B, D and F.

7758) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc problems in Ubuntu (Message 46569)
Posted 3 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It sounds to me like you installed BOINC first from repositories and are now trying to use the Berkeley installer. I wouldn't do it, as both install BOINC to different places (blame the repository guys, really).

See The Berkeley Installer and Installing BOINC on Ubuntu for the differences.
7759) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is the correct way to install Boinc screensaver in Ubuntu 12.10 (Message 46544)
Posted 1 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you can wait a bit, I'll be working with the BOINC developer responsible for the Linux version on testing if this thing still runs. We're working on that tomorrow.
7760) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc problems in Ubuntu (Message 46537)
Posted 1 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does that mean that I'm transfering my computer power to the proyect even if the Boinc manager isn't open? If the client is running does it follow the preferens of the Boinc manager? For ex. that it only starts a minute after the pc is suspoded over a minute?

BOINC consists of two main parts, a client doing all the scheduling, downloading/uploading/reporting etc. and a GUI called BOINC Manager. The client can run perfectly fine without the GUI. Any preferences you set, be it through the project web site or the BOINC Manager (Advanced) preferences will be used by the client.

..but does that mean the Boinc is running even when my pc is sleeping or suspended?

When the computer is sleeping or hibernating, it has saved all programs into virtual memory or written to disk and has effectively powered down. No programs run at this point, including BOINC.

3. Is there an icon or applet, not for the launcher, but for the systray? (where the wifi, battery and volume setting are, up and to the right corner)

No.
7761) Message boards : BOINC client : Where did the developer "Check-In" list go? (Message 46535)
Posted 1 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
But it's probably better to use http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc.git;a=tags, as that shows the commits per version.
7762) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc problems in Ubuntu (Message 46534)
Posted 1 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC versions built by repository maintainers can lack certain features, that's not something that Berkeley is responsible for, but the repository maintainers.

BOINC built by Berkeley will not have all the features a Windows built version has either, as you cannot compare Linux with Windows. Linux will do things differently from how Windows does them.

Now then, as for your details:
1. A screensaver when the PC is suspended

There is an X11 screen saver available for Linux, however it isn't always built from source. See screensaver_x11.cpp for more information (can be opened with a text editor.)

2. The option that Boinc runs at startup

Please read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu, more specifically http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Stop_or_start_BOINC_daemon_after_boot.

3. It seems that in Windows Boinc only works when the PC isn't running and in Ubuntu it seems that it works all the time

Must be some settings you (don't) have then, as I just set (local) preferences to:
- Not use computer while in use.
- Only do work between 21:00-22:00 this Saturday.

Which gives:
at 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | General prefs: using your defaults
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | Reading preferences override file
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | Preferences:
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | max memory usage when active: 3559.46MB
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | max memory usage when idle: 3559.46MB
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | max disk usage: 5.00GB
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | don't compute while active
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | don't use GPU while active
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25 %
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | max download rate: 1024000 bytes/sec
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | max upload rate: 1024000 bytes/sec
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | Suspending computation - computer is in use
Sat 01 Dec 2012 06:02:01 PM CET |  | Suspending network activity - computer is in use

That's with Ubuntu 12.04 running in a VM.

4. A systray icon of Boinc

Did you run ./run_manager ? As that'll show an icon of BOINC in the Launcher bar. Like so:
7763) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux: BOINC Manager 7.0.xx without menu (Message 46533)
Posted 1 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I found something out and that's that when you maximize the Advanced View, that the Menu bar is 'hidden' in the program name bar around the window (probably a fling of Ubuntu 12.04).
Such as this:



It'll only do this when the screen is maximized. It won't do it when BOINC Manager is less than maximized or in Simple View.
7764) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.0.28 on Linux 64bits error: libnotify.so.4: cannot open shared object file (Message 46525)
Posted 1 Dec 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
True, the compatibility libs are mostly needed for projects. But it never hurts to add them/update them. Maybe, by chance, one of the missing libs is in there. (Though not libnotify, which afaik is needed for the Notices)
7765) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.0.28 on Linux 64bits error: libnotify.so.4: cannot open shared object file (Message 46523)
Posted 30 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked a developer to come take a look. But I suspect that his answer will be that either you have to try to update your 32bit compatibility libraries. In your case of RHEL 6, I would check if perhaps this is of use.
7766) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.0.28 on Linux 64bits error: libnotify.so.4: cannot open shared object file (Message 46516)
Posted 30 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I hope there is an answer here because cycles are awasting.

Hmmm, not so, as you can easily just run ./run_client (without the added --daemon), to see the output in the terminal window. And then use the BOINCCMD tool from a terminal window, which is a bit more typing, but has the same effect as BOINC Manager. Just meaning to say that once you started ./run_client (or ./run_client --daemon), that BOINC is already running, so no cycles are wasted.

BOINC Manager is only a GUI that allows you to manage the running client somewhat easier, without having to type much.

Now then, with that oud of the way, what is your output when you do ldd boincmgr (that's el dee dee)?
7767) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46507)
Posted 30 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
.. because I found it curious that the BOINC servers have been restarted and not those of SETI@home.

There's a lot less information and traffic on the BOINC server (single, not plural. :-)) when compared to a project's servers.

The whole BOINC domain (the front page, these forums, Trac, the source code, Git) runs from one machine, which is placed in a different part of the SSL building. It no longer lives in the Seti server cabinet, but in David's office. So it's even possible that the power goes off in part of the building, affecting Seti, but not BOINC. It also runs from its own internet connection, not shared with Seti --although I do think it's shared with campus.

So yes, it's easier to restart the BOINC server, than it is to restart Seti. :)

7768) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46504)
Posted 30 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC servers are restarted but why not those of SETI@home ?

Do you think that restarting a server is as easy as you restarting your PC?

As it isn't. First off, these things work with large RAID arrays and at least one JBOD which have to be resynced, second there's a good chance that (parts of) the database have been corrupted, so they'll have to check those. Especially when the power flipped off very much unexpectedly...

If they aren't back today, and there's no-one available for the weekend, just think Monday might be a nice time for them to return.
7769) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project weight (Message 46503)
Posted 30 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That what you ask isn't project weight, or resource share (which aren't percentages by the way, but just values which when added up are 100%), but processor affinity and that is something BOINC (no matter which version) does not do.

Now it's working as you told it to: Project 2 has the biggest weight, it'll work 3 times more than project 1 will do. And that on all hardware resources (CPUs and GPUs if available and applicable).
7770) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46493)
Posted 29 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Firefox can't find the server at boinc.bakerlab.org

Says all, I think. ;)
7771) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Install stopped Kaspersky Internet Security 2012 running (Message 46483)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So what happens when you try to (re)start Kaspersky when BOINC is running? Any error messages in Windows Event Viewer?
7772) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC terminates wrong processes (Message 46481)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thank you Linda. I have forwarded your thread to the developers.

In the mean time, you may want to turn Leave Applications In Memory on.
7773) Message boards : GPUs : Protected application execution (Message 46478)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's on Rom's ever growing To Do list. I had alerted him of the same thing a couple of weeks ago, but thank you for your hint as well. In future, assume that when it says Vista, that it's Vista+, meaning everything after Vista as well. ;-)
7774) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC terminates wrong processes (Message 46477)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version are you using?
7775) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rapidly being put out of BOINC by CPU heat (Message 46455)
Posted 24 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Solid metal surface close to the laptop's bottom, and ridged outside.

That's all plastic, dear boy. See one of the sites selling it.

And it was just an example.
7776) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rapidly being put out of BOINC by CPU heat (Message 46452)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps you should invest in some of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptop_cooler.
7777) Message boards : BOINC client : boinc will not do work (Message 46450)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I honestly don't have a clue. Now, you say 'the version from this site', but which version is that then? What if you try 7.0.39?

Linux
- boinc_7.0.39_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.39_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
7778) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.39 SWAN FATAL Unable to enumerate devices (Message 46444)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll have to ask those question at the project, it's their science application that runs on the GPU.
7779) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.39 SWAN FATAL Unable to enumerate devices (Message 46442)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like an application error. Did they start using a new application?

Code 193 is a segmentation violation error.

You either have problems with your memory or swap file, or the application attempts to access a memory location that it is not allowed to access, or attempts to access a memory location in a way that is not allowed (for example, attempting to write to a read-only location, or to overwrite part of the operating system).
7780) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different type of BM: does this exist? (Message 46438)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there anything that could be done to bring this back to life?

Email David Anderson. davea at ssl dot berkeley dot edu
7781) Message boards : GPUs : Not running GPU tasks to completion any longer in 7.0.28 (Message 46435)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
came across this thread and downgraded to 7.0.25 (x64). The opencl tasks started right after.

And those will be the only ones running to completion, before you won't get any further work at Einstein, because they require 7.0.27 or above for getting OpenCL work. Just a warning.

Also, Einstein uses a lot of CPU when running the OpenCL GPU tasks. It likes it best if it can use one free CPU core. Did you set up for that, set BOINC to use all but one CPU core? For if not, Einstein tasks can run either not, or very slowly. Especially when the CPU cores are very much busy with other projects.
7782) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different type of BM: does this exist? (Message 46434)
Posted 23 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, nothing like that exists.
The closest thing to what you want is the Superhost idea, but that also doesn't exist yet. It's just an idea. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SuperHost
7783) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rapidly being put out of BOINC by CPU heat (Message 46426)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it so difficult to open the machine up and removing the dust bunnies? Perhaps you want to read http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/how-to-clean-your-pc-of-dust-and-dirt-936244.

Or watch this YouTube video, or a more scary one, this one. ;-)

Do know, it's not BOINC that heats up your CPUs, but the science applications. So any newer BOINC will never be cooler than a previous one, since BOINC itself does not deal with hot making things. You can also opt to run non-CPU-intensive projects only, then you'll see that it isn't BOINC that was the culprit here.

And even after all that, you have no technical minded friend in your neighborhood who isn't afraid to look under your hoods? How about going to a PC repair store or a local PC club and asking them for help?
7784) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to control BOINC manager on Ubuntu 12.10? (Message 46423)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can't update BOINC from repositories with the BOINC Installer (sh script) from Berkeley. They install to different locations.
So check with the repositories first if they don't have an updated (beta) client and else your only option, if you want to use 7.0.28, is to delete the repositories installed version, and then install with the Berkeley installer.

For more information about the differences between the two, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Linux
7785) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to control BOINC manager on Ubuntu 12.10? (Message 46419)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you start the client, before you started the manager?

./run_client --daemon before doing ./run_manager
7786) Message boards : Questions and problems : error 1714 cannot remove older version of boinc (Message 46417)
Posted 22 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may want to try the other installation fixer on http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2438651 (from the Fix It box).
7787) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc does not want use all GPU. cc_config doesn't help (Message 46411)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Plenty of projects using the AMD GPU without you needing to go through the anonymous platform (app_info.xml). See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php for more, or check in the Add project wizard in BOINC Manager.
7788) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 / Win 7 64-bit / Manager not able to start (Message 46410)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it was reported and fixed in 7.0.30, so why not go and get 7.0.38 instead? I am pointing you to the Change Log thread, where I put in links to specific releases. My post will point to the log for 7.0.38 for Windows test release.
7789) Message boards : News : World Community Grid celebrates its 8th birthday today (Message 46409)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're not Seti and this thread you're posting in is not about Seti, but about the World Community Grid, a whole different project. So you're not a little off topic, but quite a lot.

BOINC is just a managing program that allows you to run a lot of project's science applications simultaneously, not just Seti.

To get all the answers about your questions, start at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_about.php and if you still need more information, ask about it on their forums.
7790) Message boards : Questions and problems : suspended-computer in use? (Message 46405)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, can you please update your preferences from Einstein@Home and try again? I suspect it's something missing in the (old) Superlink preferences that gets 'activated' in BOINC 7.0

To do so, first edit your Einstein computing preferences. To make sure it isn't the preference I think that's interfering, set the value for "Suspend work if CPU usage is above X%" to 0% or 100% and check that "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last X minutes" is set to zero (showing as ---).

Save the preferences with the Update preferences button at the bottom of the page. Next open BOINC Manager, advanced view, Projects tab, select Einstein@Home and click Update. When you now check the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), you should see that your preferences have been set to those of Einstein.

If it doesn't reflect that, check that you set the preferences for the correct venue (default, home, work, school) for what your computer should use at Einstein and set those accordingly as above.
7791) Message boards : Questions and problems : suspended-computer in use? (Message 46401)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Once was enough. ;-)
Mind telling me which BOINC version you use?
Are you sure you don't use local (advanced) preferences, stored in the global_prefs_override.xml file?

And is Superlinktechion the only project that you run? I ask as they don't have any work, they seem to have died a silent death back in 2010.
7792) Message boards : GPUs : Setting GPU Project Priorites (Message 46398)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No. BOINC has its own priority system. While the GPU is always more preferable to do a cache-fill on than for the CPU, you still can't make one project always priority one over the other projects. You never could, there's always going to be pay-time-back-to-other-projects.
7793) Message boards : Questions and problems : suspended-computer in use? (Message 46397)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and if it exists, the global_prefs_override.xml file. These can be found in your BOINC Data directory, whose default places are in this BOINC FAQ. The directory is hidden.
7794) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc does not want use all GPU. cc_config doesn't help (Message 46396)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<client_version_check_url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/download.php?xml=1</client_version_check_url>
<client_download_url>http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/download.php</client_download_url>
<network_test_url>http://www.ibm.com/</network_test_url>
<start_delay>120</start_delay>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_GPUs>
</options>
</cc_config>


Take out the lines I made bold in the quote above.
7795) Message boards : Questions and problems : error 1714 cannot remove older version of boinc (Message 46395)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Out of the FAQ I pointed you to, which of the steps did you follow?
7796) Message boards : Questions and problems : 0.00% progress (Message 46377)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosetta has just released new science applications. Any bugs you see with them, be it no progress or crashes, you need to report in their forums.
7797) Message boards : Questions and problems : seti (Message 46376)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, in a sense... it's not giving out new work, supposedly until after the maintenance today. Its splitters are all off line.

Added to that, they have a problem, which they've outlined in their front page news:
Continued server problems.

We're continuing to have issues due to a database problem early last week and a botched attempt to fix it.

The problem is that the result and host tables in the database have grown large enough, and hosts have gotten fast enough that the lookup of result in process for a host and the enumeration of new results to send don't finish before the web connection times out either on the server or the client side. This resulted in hosts being assigned large number or results to compute without the transaction that tells them about these results being completed. The host. think it received no results would then contact the server for more results, which it would again not receive.

This isn't a hardware problem. The database currently fits in memory and the processors are fast. We've just crossed a threshold where each host computes fast enough that host queues and the result table have become large enough to cause this problem. To solve it, we've put per host limits on results in process back in place. But hosts that are having this problem will probably continue to have it until the average number of results per host has fallen to a workable level. That could take weeks.

For a more permanent fix, we plan do more work in each result by quadrupling the size of the workunits. But that fix will probably take months to implement and test.

19 Nov 2012 | 1:02:54 UTC


So.. the project may be up, but that's about it, for now.

Apropos, we're NOT the Seti project forums. Those are at Seti itself. Things like this are best asked at their forums.
7798) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc does not want use all GPU. cc_config doesn't help (Message 46375)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not in your BOINC folder as that would suggest the directory that the BOINC program files are in.

Instead, cc_config.xml needs to be put in the BOINC Data directory. Its default places are in this BOINC FAQ. The directory is most likely hidden.
7799) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to beat the msi / error 2718 problem ? (Message 46374)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I answered you about that in your other thread.
7800) Message boards : Questions and problems : error 1714 cannot remove older version of boinc (Message 46373)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, I missed that you had error 2718 as well. This means that the installer is corrupt. You need to download the 7.0.28 installer again and preferably save it to another place than you did before. Or if you need to save it to the same place, make sure the one in cache is removed. You can do that by cleaning out your temporary internet files.
7801) Message boards : Questions and problems : error 1714 cannot remove older version of boinc (Message 46364)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name in the BOINC FAQs.
7802) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question (Message 46361)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will run as many tasks as there are CPU cores and under normal circumstances, 1 task per GPU. So if you have a 4 core with hyper threading with a GPU, it's 9 tasks.

If it doesn't do that, you either don't have enough work in cache to supply all CPU cores, or you set preferences to use less 100% of the processors.

By default BOINC will only start one time. It will check at startup whether another BOINC is running, and if there is, it won't start the second one.

"Cannot connect to client" problems stem from BOINC Manager being blocked, normally in the firewall, so it cannot contact the client. BOINC is a two part program, the client BOINC (boinc.exe), and the graphical user interface BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe). These two parts talk to each other through RPC, so real-time updates can happen in BOINC Manager.

Therefore, you'll need to allow boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe on TCP port 31416. Separately, boinc.exe needs to be able to talk to project servers on the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.
7803) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question (Message 46359)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
First question is why would you need it?
7804) Message boards : Questions and problems : Communication Deferred - climateprediction.net & SETI@home (Message 46357)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti News:

Continued server problems.
We're continuing to have issues due to a database problem early last week and a botched attempt to fix it.

The problem is that the result and host tables in the database have grown large enough, and hosts have gotten fast enough that the lookup of result in process for a host and the enumeration of new results to send don't finish before the web connection times out either on the server or the client side. This resulted in hosts being assigned large number or results to compute without the transaction that tells them about these results being completed. The host. think it received no results would then contact the server for more results, which it would again not receive.

This isn't a hardware problem. The database currently fits in memory and the processors are fast. We've just crossed a threshold where each host computes fast enough that host queues and the result table have become large enough to cause this problem. To solve it, we've put per host limits on results in process back in place. But hosts that are having this problem will probably continue to have it until the average number of results per host has fallen to a workable level. That could take weeks.

For a more permanent fix, we plan do more work in each result by quadrupling the size of the workunits. But that fix will probably take months to implement and test
7805) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46356)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti:

Continued server problems.
We're continuing to have issues due to a database problem early last week and a botched attempt to fix it.

The problem is that the result and host tables in the database have grown large enough, and hosts have gotten fast enough that the lookup of result in process for a host and the enumeration of new results to send don't finish before the web connection times out either on the server or the client side. This resulted in hosts being assigned large number or results to compute without the transaction that tells them about these results being completed. The host. think it received no results would then contact the server for more results, which it would again not receive.

This isn't a hardware problem. The database currently fits in memory and the processors are fast. We've just crossed a threshold where each host computes fast enough that host queues and the result table have become large enough to cause this problem. To solve it, we've put per host limits on results in process back in place. But hosts that are having this problem will probably continue to have it until the average number of results per host has fallen to a workable level. That could take weeks.

For a more permanent fix, we plan do more work in each result by quadrupling the size of the workunits. But that fix will probably take months to implement and test.
7806) Message boards : Questions and problems : Communication Deferred - climateprediction.net & SETI@home (Message 46355)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti has trouble giving work to computers, it's been like that for the past week or so. As for CPDN, I don't know.

Always best first check at the project forums if they have problems. Communication deferred just means that BOINC managed to get into contact with the project server, but that that server apparently has problems, and thus BOINC will try again at a later time.
7807) Message boards : GPUs : Incorrect GPU detection (Message 46351)
Posted 18 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
From How do I set the DISPLAY variable on Linux:

The magic word is DISPLAY. In the X window system, a display consists (simplified) of a keyboard, a mouse and a screen. A display is managed by a server program, known as an X server. The server serves displaying capabilities to other programs that connect to it.

By setting DISPLAY=:0, you specify that the X server should use the localhost display.

The display consists of a hostname (such as light.uni.verse and localhost), a colon (:), and a sequence number (such as 0 and 4). The hostname of the display is the name of the computer where the X server runs. An omitted hostname means the local host. The sequence number is usually 0 -- it can be varied if there are multiple displays connected to one computer.

Now then, things you can try:
1. Figure out what DISPLAY was set to prior to you specifying :0. I don't know if it can be reset, but next time try export -p first. That shows all the declarations of the variables as set up in your configuration. I'll bet that DISPLAY was set to 0.0, which is essentially the same as :0, but more specified as display 0.
2. Will this also work without the --allow_remote_rpc_gui switch?
3. What version of X do you have? X -version in a terminal window will give that info.
4. You can try to run BOINC 7.0.36, without the extra commands. It has some OpenCL detection fixes. See BOINC 7.0.36 available for testing for Macintosh, Linux and Windows in the BOINC 7 Change Log thread for links.
7808) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux: BOINC Manager 7.0.xx without menu (Message 46348)
Posted 18 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No. Simple View cannot be resized, while even in Advanced View it won't work for me either to resize the window. You can get to Advanced View by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+A simultaneously. Back to Simple View with CTRL+SHIFT+V.

Also using Ubuntu 12.04 in a VM running in VirtualBox, testing BOINC 7.0.39
7809) Message boards : Questions and problems : Linux: BOINC Manager 7.0.xx without menu (Message 46346)
Posted 18 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's a bug in the present BOINC versions, something to do with wxwidgets 2.8.0.x. It's present in 7.0.26 -> 7.0.39.

Apparently the workaround is to resize the BM window.

I've pointed out this bug to the developers, just this Wednesday. They're working on it.
7810) Message boards : Questions and problems : Rapidly being put out of BOINC by CPU heat (Message 46336)
Posted 17 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your only choice is to open up the machines one by one, clean them of dust and possibly take the heat sink off, cleaning it of old thermal grease, reapplying new thermal grease and rebuilding the computer.

This is something that really needs to be done on a regular basis, as else the temps will go up again. Of course, rebuilding the machine with lots of (self-made) filters in place will help as well.

I got so sick and tired of having to open the machine up every 3 months to clean out the excess cat hair and dust, that I made myself a filter from the air-filter stuff in a cooker hood, with help of fine mesh of anti-mosquito netting. All held in place with Velcro. I did this in March, haven't had to open up the machine since, temps are still at a quite normal 50-56C (over 4 cores plus a GPU).
7811) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46328)
Posted 17 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein@Home/Albert@Home pre-outage warning:
There is a planned power outage on the UWM campus affecting the physics building on Sat Nov 17, lasting from 7 AM - 2 PM local time (should be 1 PM - 8 PM UTC).

According to current plans the network connection to the outside world will be available, so we'll keep the core project servers running on UPS for that time, and ideally you here on Einstein@Home shouldn't notice anything (Albert@Home will be shut down, though). Not all may actually go according to plans, though.
7812) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU and GPU goes cold (Message 46325)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, at least:
11/15/2012 8:53:52 AM | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5x00 series (Redwood) (CAL version 1.4.556, 1024MB, 992MB available, 880 GFLOPS peak)

CAL version 1.4.556 is Catalysts 10.3, which is quite old.
It's even too old for OpenCL 1.1 compliancy, as that requires at least 10.7 (1.4.737). Your GPU is an OpenCL 1.1 GPU.

Everything is yelling at you that it needs OpenCL capability, but your GPU does not support it. It's because BOINC didn't find any OpenCL capable GPU:
11/15/2012 8:53:52 AM | | App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it

And that's back to a problem with the drivers.

Try to install a bit more up-to-date ones, first. No need to try the latest, but something more up-to-date than 10.3, please. See Previous Catalyst™ Display Drivers for Windows Vista/7 (64 bit) for a list of drivers.

I'll leave you back in the very capable hands of Claggy. I was just posting what I saw.
7813) Message boards : GPUs : Incorrect GPU detection (Message 46318)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
c) a motherboard fault. Problems with the second PCIe slot when first one is filled.

no. second GPU works fine. including graphic output and BOINC crunching.
if i use <ignore_ati_dev>0</ignore_ati_dev> option in a cc_config file, then BOINC succefully starts to cruching on a second GPU ignoring the first one. if i don't use <ignore_ati_dev> option, then boinc start to crunch on the first GPU, ignoring the second one. so second GPU works fine.

Could still be a videocard fault, a videocard driver fault, a motherboard driver fault, or a motherboard fault. And thinking about it, it could also be a Linux (distro) problem.

Look, there is something fishy about the detection of your second GPU, this despite you being able to sing, dance and crunch with it. It already shows in the detection:

Fri 16 Nov 2012 03:18:15 AM MSK | | ATI GPU 0: Tahiti (CAL version 1.4.1741, 3072MB, 2662MB available, 11264 GFLOPS peak)
Fri 16 Nov 2012 03:18:15 AM MSK | | OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: Tahiti (driver version 1084.2 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1084.2), 3072MB, 2662MB available)
Fri 16 Nov 2012 03:18:15 AM MSK | | OpenCL: ATI GPU 1 (not used): Tahiti (driver version 1084.2 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1084.2), 2048MB, 0MB available)

The second GPU isn't even being detected as a CAL capable GPU. Normally after "ATI GPU 0: Tahiti (CAL version 1.4.1741, 3072MB, 2662MB available, 11264 GFLOPS peak)" you have a second line showing some thing alike "ATI GPU 1: Tahiti (CAL version 1.4.1741, 3072MB, 2662MB available, 11264 GFLOPS peak)". In your case, you don't.

That the 'normal' 12.10 driver can't even detect the whole card, be it for CAL or OpenCL makes it doubly fishy. Thus my reaction on it being the videocard, the motherboard, the motherboard chipset driver etc.

BOINC can only start running work on a GPU when it knows there is one and that it's capable of doing work. The science application will do the actual work and also do a pre-check whether it can use the hardware.

That work can be done on the second GPU when you go ignore the first one, shows it isn't a BOINC fault but something external. As soon as you ignore the first one, BOINC will automatically make a second GPU the best in the system. When you ignore that one, it'll use the third and so on until there's none to use and it won't use any.

So go figure out what causes the second GPU not to show up correctly. Try different (older) drivers. Make sure you use the drivers from AMD, not from repositories as these may miss parts.
7814) Message boards : GPUs : Incorrect GPU detection (Message 46312)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And if not a videocard fault, it may be:
a) a videocard driver fault.
b) a motherboard driver fault.
c) a motherboard fault. Problems with the second PCIe slot when first one is filled.
d) a problem with the PSU, or PSU not heavy enough to run 2 of these videocards. One HD7970 requires a minimum 500W PSU, two of them would then presumably require 750W or more.
7815) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Manager / Rosetta behavior change (Message 46306)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any work related problems are usually related to the project, or in this case see http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6120.
7816) Message boards : GPUs : Incorrect GPU detection (Message 46301)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
which method are used to detect gpu? both aticonfig and clinfo reports two adapter in the system

Yes, and? BOINC is also reporting two GPUs.

Can you please post the full start-up messages, all the way from Starting BOINC Client version such and so, till the first project line?
7817) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc always suspended when computer not in use (Message 46296)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, for the moment I don't know. Let me mull this one over.

In the mean time, the _override.xml file is the preferences file made by setting up preferences in BOINC Manager, simple view or advanced view. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Local_preferences.

It overrides all the same preferences that were set in the global_prefs.xml file. There are also some preferences that can only be set in global_prefs. You shouldn't get rid of it, although it doesn't do harm other than that it will reset all those prefs to default values, until you update and get them from WCG.
7818) Message boards : GPUs : Incorrect GPU detection (Message 46295)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's something that BOINC detects when it queries the GPU directly after it found the OpenCL library. Either there's something wrong with the driver (isn't 1084.2 (Catalysts 12.11) a beta driver? As the regualr download at the time of writing this answer is still 12.10), or there's something wrong with the card.

It isn't showing as GPU 1 either for the normal CAL detection, unless you culled that from all your other threads here and at the Einstein forums. If it isn't being detected there, there's already something wrong.
7819) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc always suspended when computer not in use (Message 46279)
Posted 14 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are the contents of the global_prefs.xml file?
7820) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc always suspended when computer not in use (Message 46275)
Posted 14 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd check what the preference setting is for "Suspend work if CPU usage is above X%". Default that's set to 25% which is far too low for any system. It'll suspend BOINC whenever a non-BOINC process runs at 25% CPU cycles or more. This includes any screen saver program, including BOINC its screen saver.
7821) Message boards : Questions and problems : upgrade to 7.0.28 (Message 46274)
Posted 14 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's indeed a Rosetta problem. Complain about it on their forums: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6120
7822) Message boards : Questions and problems : Upgrade Failed (Message 46268)
Posted 13 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Excuse me, the file I meant is gui_rpc_auth.cfg ... what were my fingers thinking?

To find out what distro you run... See http://www.howtoforge.com/how_to_find_out_about_your_linux_distribution
7823) Message boards : Questions and problems : Upgrade Failed (Message 46264)
Posted 13 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What happens when you just click OK, with both fields empty?

The hostname is usually localhost, or 127.0.0.1, unless you changed that.
You shouldn't need to be a password. You can check for one though in rpc_gui_auth.cfg in either /etc/boinc-client or /var/lib/boinc/, depending on your actual Linux distro.
7824) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.39 source tree not found (Message 46253)
Posted 12 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's because SVN is no longer used. Berkeley switched to using Git.
The new link to use is http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc.git;a=tags
7825) Message boards : Projects : Virtual Campus Supercomputing Center (VCSC) (Message 46248)
Posted 12 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to David Anderson.
7826) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPu issues (Message 46243)
Posted 12 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Computation errors is something that the project's science application does, so you'll have to post about it on the Seti and GPUGrid forums.

BOINC is just a managing program, it does not do any of the calculations.
7827) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 46230)
Posted 10 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.39 available for testing for Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.38 --> 7.0.39:

  • VBOX: Do not count the sleep time as part of the elapsed time when the VM is supposed to be suspended.
  • VBOX: Ugh, if sleep_time is greater than zero, increment elapsed_time by the poll interval.
  • Some C++ files in client had execute permissions (??). Clear them.
  • a bunch of skin files had execute permissions (??). Clear them.
  • remove execute permissions from various files that shouldn't have them.
  • Linux: add slide-show screensaver (from David Coss).
  • Mac: update Xcode project for building boinc_zip
  • Mac: add slide-show screensaver to example_app Xcode project and Mac example_app build scripts example app: fix compiler warnings in slide_show.cpp



Available installers:

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.39_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.39_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.39_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.39_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.39_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

7828) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work fetch problem with more than 1 ATI GPU, app_info & exclusions (Message 46223)
Posted 7 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please email David on this. He isn't keeping track of this thread.
And since you have all the necessary info or can easily get it, you best email him about it. His email address can be found at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectPeople. You can also email the boinc_alpha list.
7829) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU not recognized (Message 46205)
Posted 5 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from development:
Rom Walton wrote:
BOINC is just repeating what the processor told it its model name and number is.

CPU-Z shows what the processor reported about itself in the specification field. In effect, the processor doesn't really know what it is. CPU-Z appears to have an internal table that maps the unknown parts with information humans know about.

By chance, is there an update for the motherboards BIOS?

----- Rom
7830) Message boards : Questions and problems : What does "Authorization failure: -155" mean? (Message 46204)
Posted 5 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's almost as if the boinccmd command runs from a different BOINC directory. Mind checking around if BOINC has multiple (data) directories?

With the repository installed BOINC you should have:
1. the BOINC binaries (boinc, boinccmd and boincmgr) in /usr/bin .
2. a configuration directory /etc/boinc-client containing files cc_config.xml, global_prefs_override.xml, gui_rpc_auth.cfg, and remote_hosts.cfg (It is a Debian convention that such files live under /etc)
3. the working directory /var/lib/boinc-client/ for BOINC data files and the slots and projects directories. Also creates links from this directory to the files in /etc/boinc-client
4. a user named boinc. For improved security, this boinc user owns the BOINC working directory and all the data files and sub-directories created under the working directory.
5. a daemon "init" script, /etc/init.d/boinc-client, and a set of configuration options for the daemon at /etc/default/boinc-client
7831) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU not recognized (Message 46189)
Posted 2 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
7832) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 46187)
Posted 2 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.38 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.36 --> 7.0.38:

  • client: Initialize the total mem size_t.
  • client: enforce excluded app at startup.
  • win compile fix.
  • scheduler: fix bug that cause NCI to be sent even when client is not requesting work.
  • client: parse the <vbox_window> option in cc_config.xml
  • Client/manager: if a GPU app is suspended because a GPU-exclusive app is running, show an appropriate message.
  • client: message tweak.
  • A bunch of tweaks from Steffen Moller, e.g. using MAXPATHLEN.
  • Mac: Fix build breaks.
  • client: MAXPATHLEN tweak.
  • Manager: fix "exclusive GPU app running" message logic.
  • client and API: improve the way an app checks for the death of the client.

    Old: heartbeat mechanism
    Problem: if the client is blocked for > 30 secs (e.g. because it takes a long time to write the state file, or because it's stopped in a debugger) then apps exit. This is bad if the app doesn't checkpoint and has been running for a long time.

    New: the client passes its PID to the app.
    The app periodically (10 sec) checks that the process still exists.

    Notes:
    For backward compatibility (e.g. new API w/ old client, or vice versa) the client still sends heartbeats, and the API checks heartbeats if the client doesn't pass a PID.
    The new mechanism works only if the client's PID isn't assigned to a new process within 10 secs of the client exiting. Windows 2000 reuses PIDs immediately, so check for Win2K and don't use this mechanism if so.

    TODO: For Unix multithread apps, critical sections aren't currently being enforced. Need to fix this by masking signals.

  • Win compile fixes. For now, include psapi.lib in various project properties. Try to figure out a different way.
  • MGR: We don't save Simple View's width & height since its window is not resizable, so don't try to read them back.
  • lib: don't clear entire APP_VERSION struct in APP_VERSION::parse_coproc()
  • MGR: Fix references to the taskbar events which are now included in the stock wxWidget library,
  • MGR: Fix the logging class which changed for the new wxWidgets.
  • MGR: Add missing references winspool.lib in the linker.
  • Add missing references to psapi.lib for various build configurations.
  • client: change work fetch policy to avoid starving GPUs in situations where GPU exclusions are used.
  • client: fix bug in round-robin simulation when GPU exclusions are used.

    Note: this fixes a major problem (starvation) with project-level GPU exclusion. However, project-level GPU exclusion interferes with most of the client's scheduling policies. E.g., round-robin simulation doesn't take GPU exclusion into account, and the resulting completion estimates and device shortfalls can be wrong by an order of magnitude.

    The only way I can see to fix this would be to model each GPU instance as a separate resource, and to associate each job with a particular GPU instance. This would be a sweeping change in both client and server.
  • SCR: Fix bug in X11 screensaver.
  • Mac: Fix icons in Simple View Task and Project selection combo boxes.
  • Mac: Fix Quit command in Simple View and a crash bug with Quit AppleEvent.
  • WINSETUP: Add the account manager auth logic from the 6.8 installer to current generation installers.
  • WINSETUP: Make whether or not to create start menu items configurable via the command line. Useful for mass deployment installs.
  • Add missing files and fix project files.
  • Slight tweaks to the installer. Installer tried picking up the wrong font file.
  • Fix assert in Simple Preferences: use window foreground color for CTransparentStaticLine if skin does not specify <static_line_color>
  • Fix assert in SkinManager when file referenced by <application_logo> tag is missing.
  • Mac: Work around wxMemoryDC::Clear() bug in drawing Simple View background.
  • Mac: Work around apparent bug in wxWidgets 2.9.4 which failed to render wxNoteBook pages.
  • VBOX: Change the way elapsed_time is calculated in vboxwrapper.

    Previously: elapsed_time was just incremented with the value of the polling period each iteraction through the main loop. This introduced issues when vboxmanage lagged for whatever reason. This lag could go as high as 5 seconds. Over the timespan of a day this could increase the wall clock time of a task a great deal.

    Now: elapsed_time is incremented with the time it took to execute the main loop.

  • VBOX: Increase elapsed_time if we were forced to sleep after executing the main loop.
  • Mac: Work around apparent refresh bug in wxCarbon 2.9.4 wxGenericListCtrl
  • Win: Fix rendering of CBOINCTaskCtrl buttons on Windows. On Windows with wxWidgets 2.9.4, buttons don't refresh properly unless they are children of the wxStaticBox, but on Mac the layout is wrong unless the buttons are children of the parent of the wxStaticBox.
  • Fix more bad wxFlexGridSizers, etc. in Attach Wizard, Advanced Preferences. Fix assert caused by Clear() of empty Project Categories wxComboBox.
  • Fix bad wxFlexGridSizer in CDlgGenericMessage.
  • Fix assert due to missing wxOK calling SafeMessageBox() in ProjectInfoPage.
  • VBOX: Remove timeouts for creating and deleting snapshots.
  • client: fix bug in handling proxy info in cc_config.file.
  • client: if exiting because of exit_after_finished flag, write state file before exiting so we don't restart the job later.
  • client, Unix: make Curl sockets close-on-exec, so that app processes don't inherit them.
  • client: fix bug that makes client exit if a slot dir contains finish file on startup.
  • GUI RPC: expose TIME_STATS info (e.g. on_frac) in the binding of the get_state() RPC.
  • client: move client_start_time and previous_uptime from CLIENT_STATE to TIME_STATS, so that these are also visible in GUI RPC
  • scheduler RPC: move uptime and previous_uptime into <time_stats>
  • client: condition an RR simulation message on <rrsim_detail>
  • boinccmd: show TIME_STATS info in --get_state
  • VBOX: Don't report any error messages when unregistering the VM.

    VirtualBox 4.2 no longer requires certain commands to be executed to unregister a VM while older versions do. Just ignore any error codes, if it becomes a problem we can always make it conditional on what version of VirtualBox is installed.
  • VBOX: Make deleting a snapshot a non-terminal event.

    Deleting stale snapshots now consists of enumerating the existing snapshots and deleting all but the most recent snapshot. This fixes the problem where, for one reason or another, a snapshot could not be deleted at one point in time. The wrapper would just continue to create new ones and was unable to successfully deal with the older ones. Disk space would eventually run out.
  • client: message tweaks for failed app startup.
  • Fix MinGW build: generate_svn_version.sh only works on top level.
  • VBOX: Cleanup log a little bit.
  • VBOX: Cleanup all the snapshots before unregistering the VM.
  • VBOX: Make adjustments to the clean-up procedure for Vbox 4.2.
  • client/manager: move the conditional define of MAXPATHLEN from boinc_win.h to filesys.h, so that the client will hopefully build on Hurd, which doesn't define MAXPATHLEN.
  • client: in checking reasons for not requesting work, look at backoff last. Otherwise the user can get a misleading message if they update a project that's backed off.
  • CTRL+SHIFT+E works also on simple view now. So no need to point a novice user to advanced view and leave him scared there.




Available installers:
Windows
- boinc_7.0.38_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.38_windows_x86_64.exe

7833) Message boards : Questions and problems : Finding a new "working" Linux distro (Message 46184)
Posted 1 Nov 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll forward your problems to the development team, they always want to know.

In the mean time, can you upgrade CentOS6 to the latest libraries? (I seem to remember, it cannot)
And on Ubuntu, by GUI, you mean an interface of Ubuntu, or the BOINC Manager interface?
7834) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.28 event Log in Windows XP computers (Message 46178)
Posted 31 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
is there a way, using my cc_config.xml file, to have BOINC not show the URL's of the 35 projects that I am attached to ?

No. But why do you want to?
7835) Message boards : Questions and problems : Finding a new "working" Linux distro (Message 46174)
Posted 31 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
CentOS 6 - seems unable to the BOINC Manager GUI (version 7.0.x).

What kind of error do you get? Libraries missing?

Ubuntu 12.10 - seems unable to run Nvidia GPU driver and has twice come to an unusable GUI manager.

BOINC was built on the current Ubuntu. Any problems you have with the distro, may be something you want to tell the distro.
But again, what errors do you get, or else describe the behaviour in full.
And for which BOINC version specifically? (7.0.x is too generic, we're coming up to 7.0.37 on test release soon)
7836) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disabling GPU usage (Message 46167)
Posted 30 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 'snooze' option lasts an hour. This cannot be changed.
What you need however, is the <exclusive_gpu_app/> option in cc_config.xml, with which you can set that BOINC should suspend using the GPU, whenever the program you specified, is running.

Used as follows:
<cc_config>
<options>
<exclusive_gpu_app>Notepad.exe<exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>winamp.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>


The above will suspend using the GPU whenever Winamp or Notepad run, and stay that way for as long as either program stays in memory.

There's also a CPU switch, <exclusive_app/> which can be used in much the same way, only difference here is that this will suspend all of BOINC when the program you specified runs.

Check the link to the cc_config.xml file for more information.
For more examples, see this BOINC FAQ.
7837) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stuck on blank sceen (Message 46163)
Posted 30 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry to see you go, but I am asleep at between 11pm and 7am Central European Time. There's really not that many people checking these boards 24/7.

In any case, a next person landing himself in a same situation, try to press CTRL + ALT + DEL simultaneously. This should bring up a screen where you can go to the Windows Task Manager. It can take a while for this screen to come up, so have patience.

When you have managed to get to the WTM, kill (End Process) the boinc.exe process.

Of course, Word has an option to auto-save every minute to so-many minutes, just for cases like this. I think the minimum default time that it saves drafts is 5 minutes. You could've checked the drafts section.
7838) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory usage oveload (Message 46161)
Posted 30 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's known to the developers that the client leaks memory, but it's quite difficult to track what causes it and then fix that as not everyone's BOINC is affected. The only work-around is to exit BOINC fully & restart it.

Science applications taking up lots of memory aren't a BOINC problem. That's something that the project dictates. 207MB of memory used by an application isn't that much, especially not when computers these days ooze memory and 4GB is the minimum you get with new systems. If you still find it a problem, you'll have to post a complaint about it on the Einstein forums. It's their application.
7839) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work fetch problem with more than 1 ATI GPU, app_info & exclusions (Message 46156)
Posted 29 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the upcoming client, 7.0.37, there's code that should fix this problem. We expect this client to be released for testing sometime this week.
7840) Message boards : Questions and problems : using graphic unit of processor with boinc? (Message 46154)
Posted 29 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the only GPUs so far being detected and used are the AMDs and Nvidias. Intel HD Graphics OpenCL is coming, but not included yet in any present client, or any that will be released to testing in the next weeks.
7841) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.28 event Log in Windows XP computers (Message 46147)
Posted 28 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's caused by the <state_debug/> flag in your cc_config.xml file. Either disable it by setting it to <state_debug>0</state_debug>, or remove the line, then save cc_config.xml and re-read it in BOINC Manager->Advanced->Read config file.
7842) Message boards : Questions and problems : very high upload rate of Boinc-client (Message 46141)
Posted 28 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects are you attached to?
Which BOINC version is this with? ("Current" can be quite a few different ones)
Which firewall do you use?
Which operating system?

Are you sure you're not seeing the communication between BOINC and BOINC Manager? It's the way that BOINC --the actual client-- updates all the information to the graphical user interface BOINC Manager. This happens on the localhost only, it isn't going out onto any network or the internet.

For what happens when you select Activity->Network suspended?
Or when you set a maximum quota per day that BOINC can use to upload & download?
7843) Message boards : Questions and problems : No tasks for GeForce GTX 680 (Message 46138)
Posted 28 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See NVidia driver problems which cause computation errors over at the Seti forums, which states:

2) Kepler cards unsupported

Drivers affected: All drivers from 304.48 (BETA) onwards.
Hardware affected: nVidia 'Kepler' - GT 6xx and GTX 6xx cards.

Symptom: All tasks end in errors when using the stock v6.10 'cuda_fermi' application.

Solution/workround:
a) Use an optimised Cuda application, where available.
b) Downgrade to the 301.42 driver - only possible on GTX 670/680/690 cards, not on newer releases like the 650/660 or their Ti variants.
c) Set an environment variable, as shown below.

The environment variable to use is

CUDA_GRID_SIZE_COMPAT

and it needs to have the value 1 (one)

You need to be running in Administrator mode, and you need to be running at least driver 306.02 (BETA) or 306.23 (WHQL)

Here's how to reach the setting screen:

Windows 7/Vista:

7844) Message boards : Questions and problems : seti@home not showing in project list (Message 46131)
Posted 26 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There have been problems with the online list that BOINC uses to update its projects from. These problems have been fixed, so any of your clients should by now have contacted the BOINC server and gotten a new list with all the right entries.

I asked for your local setup, not necessarily complete details of your systems, so as to see if it was perhaps OS/permission related. Sorry I wasn't clear enough, all I needed was your BOINC version and OS.
7845) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work fetch problem with more than 1 ATI GPU, app_info & exclusions (Message 46130)
Posted 26 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wheels are in motion, developers have been kicked. Perhaps in next week's BOINC release.
7846) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46111)
Posted 24 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And they're back.

Edit: The forums at least. BOINC still ain't able to report work. Not weird with the master database still disabled.
7847) Message boards : Questions and problems : Status error - waiting for shared memory (Message 46106)
Posted 24 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am currently running version 7.0.25 and have changed the default memory allocation from 50% to 95%

Shared memory is something different from the memory allocation that you can set for BOINC to use when idle or when busy. The latter just tells BOINC how much of the system RAM it can use at maximum, while the former is a way for applications to access memory at the same time as other applications access that memory.

You neglect to state which operating system you run, for instance, if it's on OS X, you may want to check this BOINC FAQ. For more information on that and explanations from developers, see this thread here on these forums.

Else please state your OS.
7848) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 46103)
Posted 24 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti and Seti Beta forgot to pay their electricity bill?
7849) Message boards : Promotion : Volunteer Grid Computing needs Celebrity Endorser (Message 46101)
Posted 24 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
We need to send a message to everyone that turning your computer off or letting it sit idle is a waste.

Letting it sit idle may be a waste, but turning it off or letting it hibernate isn't. Not everyone can afford to run their computers 24/7. I sure can't, so mine sleep for most of the day and only during the night will one computer run BOINC, the others sleep on.

Despite natural gas prices going down, the energy bill here is going up, mostly due to our esteemed government adding more taxes and increasing the VAT (first from 19% to 21%, now there's talk it's going to 23%). So the more they add, the less I'll run my computers. Going green shouldn't cost you that much. :-)
7850) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager on MAC Issue (Message 46082)
Posted 22 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please check in your BOINC Data directory in /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/ what is in stderrgui.txt?
7851) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager on MAC Issue (Message 46080)
Posted 22 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version is this with?
What OS do you run on your Mac, OS X (and then which version) or Windows (and then which version), 32bit or 64bit?

Difficult to follow, but do you have a problem on your laptop PC as well? Or did you mean with 'laptop PC' your Mac?
7852) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC HTML5 client? (Message 46069)
Posted 21 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
At http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DevProjects you can see what's being developed and what the developers look for when it comes to helping them out.
7853) Message boards : Questions and problems : VirtualBox pauses, doesn't shut down when computer is in use: is this correct? (Message 46068)
Posted 21 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds normal to me. It will shorten the restart time of the T4T tasks when the system goes back to being idle. Else VB and the whole scientific Linux system on it needs to reboot every time.

Do know that VirtualBox isn't part of BOINC, or developed by Berkeley. It's developed by Oracle. It's also only used by T4T so far, so when you find any idiosyncrasies, the people at T4T will want to know and/or can answer it for you.
7854) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc use only one of the two GPU (Message 46063)
Posted 20 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
By default BOINC uses only the best GPU. Even two gpus of the same make and model, can still differ. BOINC decides which gpu is best based on these factors, in decreasing priority):
- compute capability
- software version
- available memory
- speed

And due to the memory detection bug that's in 7.0.28, your first 560 Ti shows a considerable larger amount of available memory than the second, so it's better.

20.10.2012 19:37:38 | | NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 560 Ti (driver version 306.97, CUDA version 5.0, compute capability 2.0, 1280MB, 8381598MB available, 1312 GFLOPS peak)
20.10.2012 19:37:38 | | NVIDIA GPU 1 (not used): GeForce GTX 560 Ti (driver version 306.97, CUDA version 5.0, compute capability 2.0, 1280MB, 1042MB available, 1312 GFLOPS peak)


Either upgrade to BOINC 7.0.36 (links available in post 45639 in the BOINC 7.0 Change Log thread), which has this bug fixed for most systems out there, or use the <use_all_gpus/> switch in cc_config.xml
<cc_config>
    <options>
        <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 
7855) Message boards : GPUs : How to restrict GPU usage? (Message 46057)
Posted 19 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no such option available in BOINC at this time.
7856) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.28 client connection issues (Message 46056)
Posted 19 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you are in the BOINC installer, 3rd screen into the installer, click Advanced, then you'll get to a screen where you can adapt this option.


This option can only be set in the installer, as only there can these command decisions affecting all users on the computer be made. And now you can only get to it, by uninstalling BOINC and then reinstalling it.
7857) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc-client 7.0.28 and uploading problem to http://worldcommunitygrid.org ! (Message 46052)
Posted 19 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Those look normal. So what do they say about it at WCG?
7858) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.28 client connection issues (Message 46051)
Posted 19 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, excuse me for the late answer. I saw your posts yesterday, but didn't find time to answer them.

I have a couple of answers with questions.

"You currently are not authorized to manage the client. Please contact your administrator to add you to the 'boinc_users' local user group."

But we are unclear about how to do this. Can you help?

See this BOINC FAQ, however, this should've been fixed since the 7.0.27 installer, so it's also just possible that this is an ordinary permissions problem.

Just to recap, you can run OK as administrator, but not as a mere user? Was the option "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC" checked during the installation?

What password is it calling on?

The default 32 character hexadecimal password is stored in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file in the BOINC Data directory. When you change it, make sure to just change the first line. Do not add carriage returns to the end of the line. Also keep the file format ANSI, the extension .cfg
After changing you're required to exit BOINC fully and restart it.

The std*.txt files are in the BOINC Data directory. On Windows this directory is hidden. The BOINC 7.0 FAQ shows default positions for the data directory under Windows and how to get there.
7859) Message boards : GPUs : GPU cruncing with 3D acceleration under Ubuntu Linux (Message 46035)
Posted 18 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, and what is your question or problem?
7860) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc-client 7.0.28 and uploading problem to http://worldcommunitygrid.org ! (Message 46034)
Posted 18 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And what do the good people at the World Community Grid forums say about it?

Can you also please post the contents of the global_prefs.xml file and if it exists the contents of the global_prefs_override.xml file?
Also check what your Network activity setting is set to.
7861) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 46028)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, in that case do a check for sleep: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_sleep.htm

or add the following to a bash script:
#!/bin/bash
sleep 20 && boinc & boincmgr
exit


Or use Zenity which is a graphical user interface (GUI) in the Gnome-desktop environment that returns the results to the console. Then you'd use something like this:

#!/bin/bash
zenity --question --timeout=30 --text="Starting programs in 30 sec." --title="Autostart"; STATUS=$?
if [ $STATUS = "1" ]; then
	echo ""
else
	boinc & boincmgr
fi


Explanation
#!/bin/bash 	Using the BASH-Shell to execute the commands. (but it doesn't has to be /bash)
--question 	Create a dialog with OK and Cancel button.
--timeout=30 	Wait 30 seconds for an input.
--text="" 	Text to show.
--title="" 	Title of window.
STATUS=$? 	Saves the return value in variable $STATUS.
if [ $STATUS = "1" ]; then 	If the return value is 1 (User hit "Cancel"), then ...
echo "" 	... print out nothing. (There has to be some command in the IF-branch.)
else 	... (Return value 0 = OK, 5 = TimeOut) ...
program1 & program2 & ... 	Starting programs at the same time (don't wait for program1 to be finished).
fi 	End of IF-branch. 
[code]
7862) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 46023)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Inserting a time-pause at BOINC start so other stuff can load before BOINC starts doing things. Make a cc_config.xml file in your /etc/boinc-client/ directory, with in it:

<cc_config>
<options>
<start_delay>N</start_delay> 
</options>
</cc_config>

Where N is the amount of seconds you want BOINC to wait.
E.g. <start_delay>300</start_delay> will make BOINC wait 5 minutes, or 300 seconds, before it starts running applications.

The config file that BOINC says it didn't find, is the cc_config.xml file as above. By default this file isn't made until either you make it, or you add exceptions through BOINC Manager's advanced preferences menu. So it's normal for BOINC to report that it didn't find any such file, when you never made it.

BOINC MANAGER HAS NO WAY I CAN FIND TO SPECIFY THE USUAL DATA DIRECTORY IN /VAR

BOINC Manager is just a GUI, it doesn't do anything special.

The BOINC client will only put its data directory in /var/lib/boinc/ when you use the BOINC from your Linux repositories. The Berkeley installer will put everything in your home directory.

For more info see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#The_Berkeley_Installer and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu.

I HAVE SET PREFERENCES. WHERE IS BOINC MANAGER LOOKING?

Again, this is BOINC checking, not BOINC Manager.
It's checking in the directory where cc_config.xml, global_prefs.xml and gui_rpc_auth.cfg live in. I don't know what that is under your home directory, but in repositories it's in /etc/boinc-client/

THIS COMPUTER IS OF COURSE ATTACHED TO AT LEAST ONE PROJECT.

Perhaps under the other BOINC on your system it is, but not under this one. Look, in Windows and Mac OS X there's just one installer, which will always install to the same directories, as depicted by the Windows registry, or the configuration file in OS X.

With the Linux installers, you'll have to watch out which ones you used before, the Berkeley installer, or the one from repositories, as these aren't built by the same people and aren't installing to the same places.

As explained earlier, the Berkeley installer installs to your home directory.
The repositories installer:
1. Puts the BOINC binaries (boinc, boinccmd and boincmgr) in /usr/bin .
2. Creates a configuration directory /etc/boinc-client containing files cc_config.xml, global_prefs_override.xml, gui_rpc_auth.cfg, and remote_hosts.cfg (It is a Debian convention that such files live under /etc)
3. Creates the working directory /var/lib/boinc-client/ for BOINC data files and the slots and projects directories. Also creates links from this directory to the files in /etc/boinc-client
4. Creates a user named boinc. For improved security, this boinc user owns the BOINC working directory and all the data files and sub-directories created under the working directory.
5. Creates the daemon "init" script, /etc/init.d/boinc-client, and a set of configuration options for the daemon at /etc/default/boinc-client
6. Sets up the daemon to autostart at boot time.


1. How can I abandon the repository and switch to the Berkeley _without_losing_my_work?

Since they install to different locations, first go check in your home/ directory if you have anything BOINC related there. Then start the client from there. If you want to use the data from the repositories, you'll have to do some moving over of directory contents and at least the client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml files. But that's too messy to go explain in this post. And I am still not sure which version you now run and if you have another on your system.

2. Failing that, how can I help the manager locate the core client?

Make sure that the client is actually running. ;-)
7863) Message boards : GPUs : Question regarding Radeon HD 5450 (Message 46018)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
b) Find and use the BOINC software that still supports AGP.

This is a driver event, not something that BOINC does. BOINC only reads a file from the drivers installed, if that file does not contain your specific card, it won't detect it. So it's hardly BOINC its fault, but more (that specific file in) the drivers.
7864) Message boards : Questions and problems : What does "Authorization failure: -155" mean? (Message 46012)
Posted 16 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default explanation for error -155 within BOINC is:
ERR_AUTHENTICATOR -155

The scheduler request host ID number doesn't match with the authenticator.
You are missing your authenticator key. Detach from and re-attach to the project.

So...
- is BOINC even running when you try this?
- do you have an account already with BAM?

What if you do boinc --redirectio and check the stderrdae.txt file afterwards, does it have any information in there then?
7865) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Running while PC Sleeps (Message 46009)
Posted 16 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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No, no program runs when the PC is asleep or in hibernation. Then all active programs are either stored to memory (sleep) or on disk (hibernation) with minimum power required to keep them 'alive'.
7866) Message boards : GPUs : Work failing on GTX 6xx 'Kepler' GPUs. (Message 46006)
Posted 16 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best ask at the project that you have the trouble with. BOINC doesn't do any calculations, it's a managing program. It's the project's science application(s) that do their work, and thus the making of the errors. They or their volunteers have got eyes on what is erroneous or not at this time.
7867) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with GPU GRID (Message 46005)
Posted 16 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't do any of the computing, so computing errors is something you have to ask the project about. It's their science application and work that's making the errors, so best ask them on how to resolve this.
7868) Message boards : Questions and problems : seti@home not showing in project list (Message 46002)
Posted 16 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just saw my crystal orb make a detour away from me, it does not want to give me more information about your set ups, so please could you pass by at this thread and glean at what info we might need further?
7869) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 45998)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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Looks like Einstein just took a nosedive. Even http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com reports it as down.

And they're back, slow but back.
7870) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installing OSX BOINC on non-boot drive (Message 45997)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive
7871) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Boinc on i3 CPU U 380 worth it? (Message 45996)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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If it would, it would be a bad component. CPUs, memory, drives, videocards, motherboards, etc. are built to be run at full force for weeks on end. As long as you've got good cooling...

But even then, it's been since the AMD Athlons that CPUs couldn't do without cooling. The Intels at the time could easily run without cooling, they'd just clock down when the internal thermometer would detect too high a temp. A nice old video about that is here at Youtube.




Apropos, the signature you're showing (with the broken link), is a bit fishy. I'd appreciate it if you'd take it down. It has nothing to do with BOINC or any of its projects and it comes without any warning whatsoever that this could potentially damage the phone if you don't know what you are doing. If you want to advertise that, please do it elsewhere.
7872) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Boinc on i3 CPU U 380 worth it? (Message 45993)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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Will Boinc kill the computer quickly?

If BOINC were a computer killer, no one in his right mind would run it. So no, BOINC will not kill that computer, or any other computer, ever.

As for it being able to run work quickly, that highly depends on which project you run and which application(s) within that project. Perhaps that adding an after-market GPU would help.
7873) Message boards : Questions and problems : What is diff between "update project" and "reset project" (Message 45983)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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Update gets the latest information from the project. For instance when you change your online preferences and want BOINC to know about them, you click Update.

Reset project will throw away all running, uploading, undone and ready to be reported work and all stock applications. It's a last resort for when things don't seem to work correctly, where you want to start with a clean slate. All applications and work will have to be downloaded anew then, and run from their individual starts.

BOINC works by giving all the projects you have added equal time to process their work, but based on resource share. CPDN models take a long time to finish, they will rack up a lot negative time that needs to be paid back again towards the other projects that you have added and that are allowed to fetch work.

Trying to force the project to give work by clicking Update won't do anything in this respect.
7874) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ready to Report & Uploading...for Days?... (Message 45980)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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And what is your network activity set to?
Or else, do you have a quota set up?

Can you please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and if it exists the contents of the global_prefs_override.xml file? These live in your BOINC Data directory, default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\, which is a hidden directory. You can open these files with Notepad.
7875) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win7 x64 Install issue (Message 45979)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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See Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable / Error 1325. is not a valid short name in the BOINC FAQs.
7876) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot download WCG files (Message 45971)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have trouble downloading from WCG, so you best ask about that on their own forums. When you have trouble with a project, you first ask them, that's the quickest way to get things solved.
7877) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver (Message 45970)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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Is there a way to stop the screensaver from moving around and rotating when viewing?

You do know that a screen saver that doesn't move isn't much of a screen saver? You do know the meaning of the words screen saver? It's to make sure nothing burns in on your screen, and even with today's LCD and LED screens that's still a possibility.

But I suspect you mean the Seti screen saver? In that case, see here, how to stop it moving. Not sure if this is possible for any other project's screen savers, you'll have to check those yourself.

Also is there any other screensaver graphics we can use other than the default one that is loaded when you install BOINC?

You can choose any screen saver from your OS, or any that you installed yourself, or just set it to None. BOINC can easily run the science applications without them showing their graphics.
7878) Message boards : News : BOINCstats/BAM! relaunched (Message 45968)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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I am trying to go to the second website (BAM) but it is giving me an error. Does this happen on your end too?

No problems here. An easy site to use to check if a web site is down just for you or for everyone else as well, is http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
7879) Message boards : Web interfaces : Central Manager (Message 45962)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
All your clients are shown in the computers list under your account. From there you can see what kind of tasks they have, and if they produce a lot of errors or not. This is default, bug standard, built into the BOINC server software. You don't say which project(s) you run with, but let's take Seti as an example, as everyone runs Seti... ;-)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php, scroll to Computers on this account.

However, if you mean you want to control them all from a single computer, then that's possible through BOINC Manager itself, although only one at a time. If you want to see all of them at one time, use third party apps like BOINC View or BOINCTasks. Although these are only available for Windows, I heard you can at least run BOINCTasks through Wine.

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely for more info.
7880) Message boards : Questions and problems : Change autorun registry entry (Message 45955)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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Then don't install BOINC with the option "Allow all users to control BOINC on this computer" selected.

To be able to install BOINC, one requires the use of an administrator account. When the Microsoft installer (MSI) detects an administrator account using it, it will automatically write to HKLM, not HKCU which is for users only.
7881) Message boards : BOINC client : setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe maxing out (Message 45952)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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Not only is BOINC designed to do exactly that, you'll also notice that these tasks run at a very low priority, so that any other task that's needing CPU, will get it.

BOINC can be set to use less than that amount of CPU cores. In the general computing preferences, or the local advanced preferences, use the "On multiprocessors, use at most X% of the processors" for that. The local advanced preferences override the web-preferences.

But even then, as long as you've done regular maintenance on your system, cleaned out the dust-bunnies regularly, then BOINC can easily do this. Added to that, by default BOINC will be suspended for as long as the user is active. It will only run when the user is idle. Only when you change that preference, will it run always, even immediately at Windows boot-up.
7882) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver: Multiple Displays (OS X) (Message 45951)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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Only when:
1. Either you have multiple videocards.
2. Or you have one videocard with multiple RAMDACs.
3. Or both BOINC and every project doing graphics of sorts re-releases their screen saver as OpenGL 2.0 minimum.

It's a limitation of the OpenGL 1.1 that's being used. It can send the video-overlay to only one monitor attached to each RAMDAC. Therefore, if you have multiple RAMDACs or multiple videocards, the video-overlay can be sent to all monitors.

Now, before you say let's do 3... who is paying for that?
7883) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different settings for while computer is in use and idle (Message 45950)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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It's been on the to do list for close to two years now. At some time in the future, it will be done. Unknown when.
7884) Message boards : Questions and problems : Number of tasks running down to 2 from 4 (Message 45942)
Posted 11 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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When I added World Community grid, I had to download their BOINC manager.

A common misconception, but this is not necessary. You can just ADD WCG to an existing BOINC, it's a normal option from the Tools->Add a project drop down menu.

Only when you go by their web site and click the "Join today" button, do you get the option to download their version of the BOINC client. But as said, it isn't a requirement to add and run WCG.

As for your actual problem:
Does anyone have an idea how I can get back to running 4 tasks at a time or what to check or tweak?

This CPU does do hyper-threading (HT). This is a function of the CPU, not something that BOINC does. You will have to enable a setting in the BIOS to be able to use HT.

1. Check in Windows Task Manager->Performance tab how many CPU usage History boxes you see. If only two, then hyper-threading is no longer set to on, and you'll have to re-enable that from the computer's BIOS.

2. When there are 4 boxes showing in the check above, then hyper-threading is on. In this case check in BOINC how many CPUs it is allowed to use. Do so in both the online computing preferences and the local preferences, depending on which ones you use. The setting to check for is "On multiprocessors use at most
X% of the processors", which should be set to 100%. In the online computing preferences, there is also another setting saying "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors", this is the minimum setting and for you it should be set to 2.

3. Is there actually enough work in cache to run 4 at the same time, or is there work running in high priority, thereby preventing BOINC from getting further work from other projects? As it doesn't make sense to BOINC to get more work, if the science applications can't finish the present work before the deadline anyway.

Check in Advanced view->Tasks tab. Make sure to click the "Show all tasks" button as else you only see the running tasks.

When completely in doubt, please exit BOINC fully and restart it (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager). Next post its start up messages. Advanced view->CTRL+SHIFT+E to open the Event Log, copy all messages, and post them here.
7885) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver (Message 45938)
Posted 10 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:

For more information, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_screensaver
7886) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two AMD Computer has Problems with GPU (Message 45926)
Posted 9 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whenever you see this message, you either haven't installed the drivers for the videocard from the manufacturer's website, in this case the Nvidia drivers, or you installed BOINC as a service (protected application installation), in which case its limited user can't read outside the BOINC Programs and Data directory.
7887) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc on USB stick (Message 45922)
Posted 8 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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I would like to run it at work

Then first ask your boss for permission. [url=http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Usage_rulesThe BOINC Usage Rules[/url] state: Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.

People have been fired over running BOINC on work computers without prior permission.
7888) Message boards : Questions and problems : task needs more disk space. can't figure out why. advice? (Message 45918)
Posted 8 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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From the CPDN web-preferences. The values to look at are:

Disk: use at most X GB
Disk: leave free at least Y GB
Values smaller than 0.001 are ignored
Disk: use at most Z% of total disk space

Especially the last one is important as it counts the total disk space that BOINC, and all other programs live on. So this value is not just for BOINC.

Meaning that when you have a 1TB drive, you set Z% to 75%, that it can use at maximum 750GB. When you HDD is now half full, BOINC won't ask for further work as 75% of total disk space is 750GB, not 500GB.

Mind, it's the total size value of the drive or partition that BOINC lives on. Not the total size you set BOINC to use.

And then it's possible that you set different values in the local advanced preferences. These override the web-preferences.
7889) Message boards : Questions and problems : Vista Screensaver/power option - won't wake up when sleeping (Message 45912)
Posted 6 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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You may want to check if you have an extra setting in the computer's BIOS pertaining the sleeping/waking of the monitor. Or that the monitor's drivers are up-to-date (enough). Perhaps that Windows 'forgets' how to wake a monitor after an hour.
7890) Message boards : GPUs : Detection of GPU's with nVidia Optimus Technology (Message 45910)
Posted 6 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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I picked this up from PM and posted it here, as it doesn't help anyone else with the same problem when we continue it in PM. I must say up front that I am not a Linux guru, my main OS support is Windows.

That said, in Windows it's also required that you use the videocard driver from the GPU's manufacturer to get all this stuff working. When you use the Windows supplied driver, it lacks CUDA, OpenGL and OpenCL components because these are direct competitors to things Microsoft supply themselves (Direct Compute and DirectX). Under Linux it's probably easier to supply a driver that lacks these components as you don't necessarily have all the required drivers on your system and the package maintainers will always seek the easiest path of no resistance, not give you bulky packages bursting with their own libraries.

I see it says the same thing in point 1 of the first link, specifically By default Ubuntu will use the open source video driver called Nouveau for your NVIDIA graphics card. This driver lacks support for 3D acceleration and may not work with the very latest video cards or technologies from NVIDIA.

That's the case here, so you really need to find a way to install the Nvidia supplied drivers. I already linked to the Nvidia drivers for your GT540M. But in case you did not see, here it is again: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-304.51-driver.html. Click on Supported Products to see GeForce 500M series: GTX 580M, GTX 570M, GTX 560M, GT 555M, GT 550M, GT 540M, GT 525M, GT 520MX, GT 520M.

As far as I know, it's an executable file that you download, so all you have to do is save it to a convenient place wait for the Additional drivers icon to show up, then click that. The difficult thing here is the part of you uninstalling the Nouveau driver, but since it says it isn't necessary, why worry about it?

Hi,

Thanks for the replies on my post and sorry for filing an issue on the bug tracking system. If I understand correctly, you wanted me to uninstall the drivers from the official package repository and install the ones from the official website manually, right ?

Afaik, this is a difficult process. I tried using [1] but it didn't seem to show any restricted drivers available for my system. I read [2] but that seems a bit complicated and with the ample use of warning signs on the page, I'm a bit scared (put off, would be the right word). Is that how I am supposed to install it ? Is there some easier method/way ? I downloaded the official driver from [3] and read [4] (which btw is huge :P) but couldn't feel confident enough to go ahead with it.

I just wanted to know if there's an easier method you might know of or if you have tried the steps told above and it worked for you ?

I know I sound extremely noobish, but when it comes to driver installation in Linux, I really become one :s

Thanks in advance.


[1] - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[2] - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[3] - http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/49073
[4] - http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/304.51/README/index.html
7891) Message boards : Questions and problems : How are credits determined? (Message 45909)
Posted 5 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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LOL, no Dave A. it is. BTW, I tried to translate that page into English once, but have given up. ;-)
7892) Message boards : GPUs : Detection of GPU's with nVidia Optimus Technology (Message 45907)
Posted 5 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you install those drivers through the package manager? If so, really try the ones from Nvidia first. It's possible that the package maintainers built the videocard drivers to just run and show 2D graphics, perhaps a bit 3D graphics, not that they added all the extra stuff as CUDA and OpenCL capability.

If BOINC cannot find any CUDA or OpenCL capability, it's because it couldn't find the files that the drivers install (libcuda.so for CUDA support and libOpenCL.so for OpenCL support), if the drivers did actually install those files and they're in a directory that BOINC can read in. When BOINC can't find those files, then it can't tell you what kind of GPU you have. Simple.

Apropos, the BOINC from repositories is also something we can't give official support on, as Berkeley didn't build this version of BOINC, but the package maintainers did. Any big problems should be reported to the maintainers. Also, the recommended Berkeley BOINC version is 7.0.28, and has been so for the past 4.5 months. Perhaps that the Ubuntu package maintainers would want to be so kind and go release the recommended version, instead of a beta one.

P.S: It wasn't really necessary to go open a ticket about this, as you're already receiving help through the forums, plus the version you have isn't a Berkeley version.
7893) Message boards : BOINC client : Stable BOINC for win8? (Message 45903)
Posted 5 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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C:\Programdata\BOINC\ is the BOINC Data directory where BOINC writes all its data to. It's a hidden directory, so either fill the path directly in Windows Explorer, or tel Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
7894) Message boards : GPUs : Detection of GPU's with nVidia Optimus Technology (Message 45902)
Posted 5 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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You'll need Nvidia manufacturer drivers, such as these: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-304.51-driver.html

For future references, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing. Also do know that we are not the World Community Grid. They've got their own forums at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/index
7895) Message boards : GPUs : "This GPU does not support openCL" (Message 45894)
Posted 4 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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It's a problem with the driver. BOINC checks for a certain OpenCL library file that the drivers should have installed, if it can't find this file, then it'll say that the GPU does not support OpenCL.

So perhaps you installed BOINC as a service, by which it cannot check any files outside the BOINC Programs and Data directories.
Or the driver got installed wrongly.
Or there's a change in the driver by which it renamed certain files and thus BOINC can't find the file it's looking for. Most all the problems are with the driver.

And in your case added to that is a beta OS.

You can try running with the Beta 12.9 drivers, although it doesn't mention specifically that they have OpenCL added. Or you can try older drivers, the description should say it's got a "OpenCL(tm) Driver".

But even saying that it does, does not make drivers work, per se.

Just saying, BOINC can only detect things that are effectively truly there.
7896) Message boards : Questions and problems : How are credits determined? (Message 45890)
Posted 4 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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So, friend, who wrote that new Credit page?

Make one educated guess. Who is behind BOINC's conception?
7897) Message boards : Questions and problems : How are credits determined? (Message 45888)
Posted 3 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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When you're ignoring device 1, only device 0 is being used. So only one of the two GPUs is being used by BOINC. Yes, even if you put them in SLI. SLI is only interesting for games.
7898) Message boards : Questions and problems : How are credits determined? (Message 45886)
Posted 3 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Regarding the twin GPU's under SLI, when I look at active tasks, I will see most often two, rarely three task having been started, but only one running at any one time, the other(s) waiting to run.

Then one of your GPUs may not be used by BOINC. Check the start-up messages. First 20 lines or so, it says that it's detected your GPUs and if it uses them both. If not, on one of them it'll say "not used".

Even two GPUs of the same make and model, can still differ.
BOINC decides which GPU is best based on these factors, in decreasing priority):
- compute capability
- software version
- available memory
- speed

And with that memory detection bug being in the 7.0 series, it's quite easy to have problems with one of the GPUs being 'better', in terms of available memory...
7899) Message boards : Questions and problems : How are credits determined? (Message 45883)
Posted 3 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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My GPU's are twin Nvidia GTX670's eunning as one GPU under enabled Scalable Link Interface (SLI).

Uh yes, but BOINC will just see them as two individual, be it the same, GPUs. Meaning you run at least two tasks at the same time, one on either GPU.

As for why your credits are ballooning that fast, other than that you're using two fast GPUs and probably run a project that's paying very high for a single task... it's because not all projects are using, or ever going to use, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNew. If they were one could compare. Now, not so much.
7900) Message boards : Questions and problems : Understanding work done (Message 45868)
Posted 3 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
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The manager lists "Work done" for me as 268,571.97 is that measured in Cobblestones?

Yes, Cobblestones or just Credit. They're both the same, really.

The documentation refers to "Recent Average Credit" but the manager has a column for "Avg. work done". Is that the same thing? If it's an average, what is it averaged over? Is it Cobblestones per day, or Cobblestones per job, or what?

RAC, Recent Average Credit and Average Work Done are all the same, but for different BOINC versions. The developers change the wording just about every major release, and it gets difficult keeping up with all the changes in the manual.

For most of the answers, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit

Are all jobs the same, or are they chosen with the computer in mind?

You can't compare work between projects. You can't even compare all work done within one project, as a lot of projects use different applications, doing different work.

To measure how well your computer is doing, the best way is to check its host RAC. A high one means your computer is doing quite well. But that depends on which project you run as well, plus how many GPUs you have these days.

If you run e.g. Einstein BRP4s on the GPU, these tasks take mere minutes these days on a good GPU. And each of them pays 500 credit when validated. If you then run 24/7, with one or more BRP4s running per GPU, you get a very high RAC in no time (two weeks to max out, still).

But you can't compare the BRP4s with the SL6Vs that Einstein also runs. Or the Astropulse tasks at Seti. Or any of the applications at WCG. It's something that the developers are trying to make a system for, that eventually all projects will have to go use, but in the mean time, while it's not there yet, there's no really good way to measure efficiency between projects.
7901) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI Tasks Causing Climate Predict Tasks to Go to "Waiting to Run" (Message 45867)
Posted 3 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The goal of BOINC is always to run all work in cache by its deadline.

BOINC will run 8 tasks simultaneously, but if I Resume a 9th SETI task, it "Waits" the CPDN tasks.

This 9th task, does it run on the AMD GPU? For if it does, and you don't want that to happen, you can disable that in the Seti project preferences (Use ATI GPU = no). Using a GPU will always take part of a CPU core, which then either won't be used for doing CPU work, or only partially (depends on BOINC version). There is no GPU application that runs on the GPU only.

The problem here is that BOINC 7.0 will fill the cache for the best piece of hardware first, that's the GPU, then it will fill the cache for the CPU. If you then set the minimum work buffer to a high value as 5 days or more, BOINC will first try to fill the cache for a minimum of 5 days for the GPU, when that's done, do the same for the CPU and then it has to calculate how long all those tasks are going to take, if it can run them all by deadline, and what has priority over something else.

If you've run the CPDN models for some time now, BOINC has a reasonably good idea how long they'll take. It'll just have to juggle that time against the amount of work it got from Seti, whose deadlines are anywhere between a week and a month. Still all the Seti work has a shorter deadline than the CPDN work, and the initial estimates it has on running the Seti work are always a long time off.

So yes, as long as you can keep yourself from interfering, I see that BOINC will be able to run all that work within both the projects their deadline.
7902) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI Tasks Causing Climate Predict Tasks to Go to "Waiting to Run" (Message 45864)
Posted 3 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't say which BOINC version you run, or what your cache settings are, but all BOINC versions come with an internal scheduler which tracks how long tasks approximately take based on how quickly your CPU can crunch the numbers and how many tasks there are in cache. As long as you don't fiddle with things, BOINC will learn by itself how long tasks take and switch between them and various projects. Eventually it'll switch back to the CPDN models. You just need to have some patience over it.
7903) Message boards : Questions and problems : Sleep Mode for monitor but not the computer? (Message 45863)
Posted 3 Oct 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Setting your monitor to sleep is a function done through the operating system, not through BOINC itself. You don't say which OS you run. If Widnows Vista or 7, go Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options\Edit Plan Settings, and make sure that you set the timer on both "Turn off the display" and Change advanced power settings->Display->Turn off the display.
7904) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't install boinc_7.0.28_windows_x86_64 (version) (Message 45842)
Posted 29 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see this BOINC FAQ for help on this subject.
7905) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple GPU projects (Message 45840)
Posted 29 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that at each project's project preferences, you set to use the correct GPU.

E.g. http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/prefs.php?subset=project
Use ATI GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ yes/no
Use NVIDIA GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ yes/no
7906) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does Boinc have a screensaver option for Cinnamon Ubuntu 12.04? (Message 45837)
Posted 28 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm a Windows person, my knowledge of Linux lies somewhere between being able to spell it correctly and knowing what the ldd command does.

I knew that BOINC has a screen saver for Linux, as I chat with the developers on a regular basis, and they told me. I also know that it's an external screen saver, I think it's a port over of the xscreensaver and made specifically for BOINC, but done so by a volunteer developer.

Other than the help in the source code file, I can't be of help in this matter. You need a Linux guru for that, and those that we had are now temporarily off line (Kath) and incognito (Trog Dog). Sorry, but I know my limitations.

Perhaps that you can check through the Xscreensaver FAQ first, or otherwise contact Nils Brause, who made th BOINC Xscreensaver. You can find contact information here. Or ask him to come explain here, so we have some form of documentation for it.
7907) Message boards : Questions and problems : unable to use ventrilo with boinc running gpu tasks - win 8 (Message 45824)
Posted 27 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm, you'll have to explain a lot more than that.
Like what is Ventrilo?
How does it work?
What exactly do you mean with trying to talk to people on ventrilo just doesn't work.?
How does it not work?
And shouldn't you be on the Ventrilo forums for that?

For BOINC, which project(s) run(s) on the GPU?
What kind of GPU (make, model, amount of memory etc.) do you have?
Which drivers did you use for it?
Are those drivers Windows 8 compatible?
Do you have the same problem in Windows 7? (Since Windows 8 is still beta, it may be their bug)
What if you suspend the GPU when the computer is in use?
Is the GPU actually on a videocard, or is it embedded on the motherboard or in the CPU?
If on a videocard, have you ruled out interference between the videocard and the audio (card)?
7908) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 45818)
Posted 27 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great! :-)
7909) Message boards : Questions and problems : Any harm to SSD ? (Message 45815)
Posted 27 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there only an SSD in that laptop, or also a (normal) hard drive? For if there is, you can put the BOINC programs directory on the SSD and the Data directory on the hard drive. The Data directory is what gets written to.

But even then, it'll take several thousands of years for the drive to break, even if you put the data directory on the SSD.

Explained from this Kingston HyperX 3K review:
Intel's 50nm MLC NAND was rated for 10,000 program/erase cycles. Smaller transistor geometries, although tempting from a cost/capacity standpoint, do come with a reduction in program endurance. At 34nm Intel saw its p/e count drop to 5,000 cycles, and at 25nm we saw a range from 3,000 - 5,000. Modern day SSD controllers include wear leveling logic to ensure that all cells are written to evenly, so even at the lower end of the Intel 25nm range there's more than enough lifespan for a typical client workload. Let's do some math on a hypothetical 100GB drive with four different types of NAND (3K, 5K, 10K and 30K P/E cycles):
                                              SSD Endurance
  	             3K P/E Cycles 	5K P/E Cycles 	10K P/E Cycles 	30K P/E Cycles
NAND Capacity 	       100GB              100GB            100GB          100GB
Writes per day          10GB               10GB             10GB           10GB
Write Amplification 	 10x                10x              10x            10x
P/E Cycles per Day     	  1                  1                1              1
Total Estimated Lifespan 8.219 years     13.698 years     27.397 years   82.191 years

Assuming you write 10GB to your drive every day (on the high end for most client workloads), and your workload is such that the controller sees an effective write amplification of 10x (due to wear leveling/garbage collection the controller has to write 10x the amount of data to NAND that you write to host), you'll blow through one p/e cycle per day. For 25nm 3K p/e cycle NAND that works out to be 8.219 years, at which point your data will remain intact (but presumably read-only) for 12 months. Heavier workloads come with higher write amplification factors, but for client use this math works out quite well.
7910) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Stop getting notices from projects? (Message 45814)
Posted 27 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
David answered me:
There's no way to turn off the downloading of notices.
They are tiny pieces of HTML.
No video is ever shown.
Images are downloaded only if you actually look at a notice.
7911) Message boards : BOINC client : boinc will not do work (Message 45809)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post the contents of the global_prefs.xml and if it exists the global_prefs_override.xml files?
Where did you get this BOINC from, Berkeley or FC repositories?

We had reports back in the day that BOINC 6.12 and 7.0 did not work with FC14 and FC15, due to a problem with incompatible wxWidget build options. This may still be the case, although I haven't heard from it since.
7912) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7 not getting tasks (Message 45808)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have stopped usage of GPU, but is any possibility to deactivate the GPU usage completely so the BOINC manager wont search for new GPU tasks?

Make a cc_config.xml file in your BOINC Data directory, and add into it:

<cc_config>
<options>
<no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>


See client configuration in the BOINC Wiki for more information on this file and its contents.
7913) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage regulation ? (Message 45807)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC has got throttling capability right there in the preferences. Seek for "Use at most 100% of CPU time" and reduce it to whatever amount you want. Mind, this will not set the CPU to use that value constantly, but it will run/suspend work on a 10 second basis according to the value you set.

E.g. 80% means BOINC runs applications for 4 seconds, pauses them for 1 second, runs for 4 seconds, pauses them for 1 second.
60% means 2 seconds run, 1 second pause, 2 seconds run, 1 second pause, etc.

If that's not to your liking, then you can use the third party application Threadmaster. This can be set to a value and use that value in a sustained way.
7914) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7x64 Logon Screen (in Domain) problem with Boinc (Message 45806)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version is this with?
Have you got the screen saver set to BOINC, and if you do, then what's if you switch off the option for "On resume, display logon screen"?
7915) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 45805)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it possible another gui_rpc_auth.cfg file is on your system, within a directory that BOINC can read?
Or is it possible that there's another BOINC installed on the system that's playing interference?
Sorry, I'm a Windows guy, I had something like that once when I tried to run a BOINC Manager not from the BOINC programs directory.
7916) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does Boinc have a screensaver option for Cinnamon Ubuntu 12.04? (Message 45793)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, that's wrong. Probably right in 2008 when that page was written, but wrong in that context. There is an X11 screen saver for the Unix derivations, including for Linux. Did you follow the link I gave you, did you read the text I posted from the link I gave you, or what?

The Wiki page now says exactly the same as I gave you in my answer. The wonders of editing.
7917) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running clients on a dual boot system (Message 45787)
Posted 25 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that isn't possible, due to the fact that any work you download from a project is registered to a certain hostID. That same hostID should also upload & report the work.

Since we're talking about two different OSes, you'll get two hostIDs and they are seen as different computers, even if they live on the same system.

Sharing the data directory can probably be done (although a permission nightmare), but running the same work on both OSes cannot.
7918) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 45785)
Posted 25 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The file was empty (got 1 byte length but there is no information in it)

That ain't normal. I'm starting to wonder if it's a bug in the BOINC version, but since you got it from the Synaptic package manager, it's built by the software maintainer for that version of Lubuntu. It's not a Berkeley built version, and besides, if it were it would be 7.0.28 as that's the recommended version at this time.

Would you mind trying the Berkeley build version?
It does install to a different directory than the package maintained ones, though, so do take care of that.
7919) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Stop getting notices from projects? (Message 45783)
Posted 25 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could probably make the Notices directory and all files within it read-only, that would stop the notices. However, the only thing that you get sent is HTML code, thus any pictures therein is just a link. Meaning, you don't get sent the picture.

I'd think that just by surfing the internet that you'll use a lot more bandwidth by looking at advertisements than you would ever get through the Notices. But that said, I'll ask the developers if there's a off-option coming.
7920) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does Boinc have a screensaver option for Cinnamon Ubuntu 12.04? (Message 45781)
Posted 25 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's an X11 screen saver for the Unix variations.
From screensaver_x11.cpp:

// This is a XScreenSaver compatible BOINC screensaver for Unix/X11.
//
// To use this screensaver, please add the following to the 'programs'
// preference in your .xscreensaver file:
//
// GL: boincscr -root \n\
//
// If your BOINC directory differs from /var/lib/boinc, you can use
// the -boinc_dir command line argument.
//
// When run, this screensaver connects to the BOINC client via RPC, asks for
// graphics providing tasks and starts a random graphics application. The window
// created by the graphics appliacation is then searched for using X11 window
// properties, such as "WM_COMMAND". Not every graphics application seems to
// support this, but this method has been successfully tested with Einstein@Home
// and climateprediction.net. When the graphics application window
// has been found, it will be embedded into the XScreenSaver-provided
// fullscreen-window, the root window, the preview window or a newly created
// window, depending on the environment, using the XEMBED method.
7921) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 45777)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the moment i got a workaround:
Start manager > Advanced > Select computer... > enter in the host field 127.0.0.1

Can you check if there's anything in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file?
There should be a randomly generated 32 character hexadecimal pass code in it, although you can change it for one of your own passwords. If you do, make sure to only add the word to the same line the 32 character pass code is on, don't add a carriage return or anything.

Or you can delete the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and then restart BOINC. That may jar loose any stuck things as well.

Finally, you're not starting your boinc binary or boincmgr binary with any added attributes, are you? Or in case you are, what are they?
7922) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 45775)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the IP address in client_state.xml is the IP address of your computer, not the localhost default address 127.0.0.1

The BOINC binary and the BOINC Manager binary do talk to each other on TCP port 31416 on the localhost loopback address 127.0.0.1, but that doesn't mean that the <ip_address/> entry must be that value.

By the way, you run a 64bit version of BOINC, as shown by Starting BOINC client version 7.0.27 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.

Now, I'm sure it's none of these, but do check the options that normally generate the "Manager cannot connect to a client" message at this BOINC FAQ.
7923) Message boards : GPUs : Question regarding Radeon HD 5450 (Message 45773)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good catch on the SSE2 requirement!
7924) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.27 manager can't connect to client (Message 45772)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the file:
client_state.xml
<ip_addr>127.0.1.1</ip_addr>


Why do you do this? Doesn't your computer have an IP address on the local network? As that's the address that should be in there, normally in the form of e.g. 192.168.1.1
And even then, you don't have to add that manually, as it'll be added by the BOINC client.

As for why the BOINC Manager cannot connect to the client, have you checked the most simple thing, that the client is actually running?
7925) Message boards : GPUs : Question regarding Radeon HD 5450 (Message 45766)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 1.4 beta SDK is available through this page, however, it's required to register an account in order to be able to download it.

The 2.0 beta SDK is only still available for Linux.

Thinking about this, doesn't it need mention of the driver being an APP (Accelerated Parallel Processing) driver, in order for it having CAL support? Or is that for Windows Vista and 7 only?
7926) Message boards : GPUs : Question regarding Radeon HD 5450 (Message 45764)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know, perhaps that they removed that as well. As far as I know, AMD stopped CAL development a long time ago in favor of OpenCL. So I suppose it is possible that when they stop adding support for some GPGPU component that they do it for all components as well.

Also possible that one just needs the AMD Stream SDK installed in order for the CAL detection to work.

And finally it's possible that it's a driver screw up. That's only fixed by uninstalling the driver, cleaning out all the left-over crap, and reinstalling a driver.
7927) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does Boinc Manager screen open when I start Win XP? (Message 45762)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So there's nothing in Windows Start->(All) Programs->Startup ??
What happens when you open BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->uncheck "Run Manager at login?"
Do both managers say they're 7.0.28?
7928) Message boards : Questions and problems : VBox does not quit (Message 45761)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version?
What do they say about it at T4T?
7929) Message boards : GPUs : Question regarding Radeon HD 5450 (Message 45760)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's your drivers & operating system. AMD no longer supports OpenCL under Windows XP its drivers since catalysts 12.2 (even though it does state they're in the package in 12.2, 12.3 and 12.4, they aren't really), so if you want to use OpenCL, you'll have to use older drivers. But beware here, as the 11.5 to 11.11 drivers have a bug that will use high CPU usage. So you're effectively limited to 11.12 or 12.1 for the latest drivers.

You can read for yourself that the driver you have no longer supports OpenCL, as it says so on the 12.8 driver description:
Description:
Package contains the following graphics drivers and dependent/required software for the products specified in the current version's official release notes:
Display Driver
AMD Integrated Driver
AMD HDMI Audio Driver
Catalyst Control Center


Catalysts for Windows XP 11.12
Catalysts for Windows XP 12.1
7930) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc doesn't cleanup old install (Message 45746)
Posted 22 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah well, here's the thing. While it might be technically possible to do this, it's a bit impossible for the Microsoft Installer (that makes those .msi files) to determine which one is still required and which ones are the old ones.

Just deleting all boinc.msi files will also delete the boinc.msi file that the installer is installing. Deleting first before installing the new one, also deletes the boinc.msi file that the installer is using to uninstall BOINC.

This is really an installer thing, not so much a BOINC thing.
The installer that's used is just a 32bit program that holds a database (the actual boinc.msi) filled with the programs that will go into the final directory. The installer doesn't know what kind of programs are in the database.

It will generate a random 32 character name to the end of the C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\-- path to store a backup of the boinc.msi file in that's used to uninstall BOINC with. It will store this path in the registry at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall

Yep, I know how you're thinking, then it should be easy, right to delete the present BOINC backup? Yep, it can be... but not the old ones as those are unknowns to the installer.

You can manually 'uninstall' the latest BOINC backup file, with the msiexec /uninstall /quiet %systempath%:\Windows\Installer\{difficult number}\Boinc.msi command, but this only removes the latest one, not the previous ones.

I once tried to write a script for this, but embedded it into a full uninstaller, which only worked on half the systems I tried it on. :-/
I no longer dare to link to it.

Anyway, all that aside, eventually BOINC will move towards a new installer, not based on the MSI technology, thus not making these backups. When that is, though? Anyone's guess.
7931) Message boards : Questions and problems : Statistics page shows wrong date (Message 45733)
Posted 21 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Deleting them is an option, but then your statistics tab will be empty until all those projects have contacted their scheduler server at least twice.

With a little hand-work you can edit those statistics_*.xml files one by one and fix the problem. At least when you have found in one of them which entry is wrong, it's quite easy to adjust it in the next files. 30 minutes work, tops.
7932) Message boards : Questions and problems : Statistics page shows wrong date (Message 45731)
Posted 21 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this BOINC FAQ.
7933) Message boards : BOINC client : Build bonic client on Windows 7 (Message 45727)
Posted 20 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
In trunk, there's a boinc.sln as shown in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/boinc/trunk/boinc/win_build; trunk is what you will want to download.

So it sounds as if you either have only got part of the source code, or you used a wrong branch.

Use svn co http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc to download all of the source code, you really need all of it, yes, not just the client part of the tree.

In subversion you can just add the URL to the download path, no need to add svn co to the command. And in that case, the URL is http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc
7934) Message boards : GPUs : are 2 gpus better in sli, or tasks for each card independantly (Message 45726)
Posted 20 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
SLI or no SLI makes no difference to BOINC, it'll see the separate GPUs and use them as individual ones, not as one GPU such as games do.
7935) Message boards : GPUs : 2 gpus, 1 stopped workin (Message 45708)
Posted 18 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
- boinc_7.0.36_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.36_windows_x86_64.exe

x86 means 32bit
x86_64 means 64bit
7936) Message boards : GPUs : GPU not maxing out, only at 4% - 25% peak on some projects (Message 45703)
Posted 18 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have a GT530 card, and Process Explorer only reports that I am using 17%

Process Explorer only shows CPU activity, not any load of a GPU. For that you'll have to use something like GPU-Z: http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/.

And then, the work being done by the GPU is done on all cores of the GPU. The 'load' you may see shows mostly memory use. Running more than one task on a GPU can be done, but will slow the work down as the GPU has to switch between running the jobs alternately. So it won't run them at the same time as you'd do with 2 cores of a CPU.
7937) Message boards : The Lounge : Limited availability (Message 45690)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
From 21-09-2012 till 07-10-2012 I'll be limited available, due to vacation. Although I will be home a couple of days, most of them are spent elsewhere, and I've planned to be gaming when I am on the machine.

Kathryn is as far as I know busy packing and going back to Korea.
What happened to Trog Dog is anyone's guess. All our new-comer moderators go poof within a month. ;-)
7938) Message boards : GPUs : 2 gpus, 1 stopped workin (Message 45689)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
the links r dead and everywhere else is false adds. (that i can find)
so what 2 do?

??? I fill it into Google and immediately find http://www.guru3d.com/content-page/guru3d-driver-sweeper.html for the older version and http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4266-driver-sweeper.html for the newer.

Links in FAQ adjusted.
7939) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Wishlist for Mac (Message 45685)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
also a more Mac-like interface for the GUI manager.

BOINC is a platform neutral package, meaning that from one source code you'll be able to compile the Windows, Linux and Macintosh version and they'll all look and feel the same. You can easily switch between platforms and know where the thing is that you're looking for.

If it has to have Windows looks for Windows, special Linux looks per distro of Linux and a special Mac look for the Mac, it's impossible to use one source code for all.

It would then also need a production team not unlike Google has walking around.
However, BOINC is really just 3 people who work at it full-time, while the rest is volunteers.
7940) Message boards : GPUs : 2 gpus, 1 stopped workin (Message 45684)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
True... I wasn't awake yet and rushing to get out to work when I posted that.
Still, aren't there the weirdest of problems with the 306.xx versions of drivers again?
7941) Message boards : Questions and problems : not sure if it's doing any work (Message 45683)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Difficult to say, as we don't see what you see or don't see. You'll have to come up with a better description of 'not doing anything'.

Which BOINC version?
Which Windows version?
Does it state in BOINC Manager that tasks are running?
Do you see any of that collaborated when you check in Windows task manager->processes tab?
What are you preferences set to, to run when the computer is in use, or always?
Is BOINC set to run based on preferences or run always?
Is nothing suspended?
Are you seeing this in BOINC Manager or the screen saver?
Weird question maybe, but check in task manager if boinctray.exe is running?
7942) Message boards : Questions and problems : High resolution menubar icon? (Message 45682)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The text in the manager is just that: text. All up to and including BOINC 6.12, were the buttons in (simple view) BOINC Manager graphics, so the translators were unable to translate them. Since 7.0 all the buttons (both simple view and advanced view) are text, so easily to translate if needed.

So that leaves the menubar icon, which in the source code is icon.ico, which is 256px x 256px x 32bit. How much more high-res do you want it?
7943) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why aren't tasks done in due date order? (Message 45681)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC runs work in a first-in, first-out order. This to ensure that all work gets done by the deadline.

For consider this, if BOINC would do work based on deadline first, and you'd do e.g. Einstein and CPDN, there's a good chance that the CPDN model doesn't get fully done, or at all, as BOINC will be busy doing 14 day deadlined Einstein all the time, and will not start on the 1 year deadlined CPDN model until it's well too late to finish.

And that's just one example. There are 50+ projects available under BOINC, all with their own deadline cycles. If you run Malariacontrol.net (3 day deadline) and Seti@Home (7 days to 4 week deadlines) together and BOINC only runs work by deadline, it'll only do Malaria, until Seti's work is almost due.
7944) Message boards : GPUs : 2 gpus, 1 stopped workin (Message 45678)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
16/09/2012 1:46:17 PM | | NVIDIA GPU 1 (not used): GeForce GTX 580 (driver version 306.23, CUDA version 5.0, compute capability 2.0, 3072MB, 2713MB available, 1581 GFLOPS peak)
16/09/2012 1:46:17 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 1 (not used): GeForce GTX 580 (driver version 306.23, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 3072MB, 2713MB available)

These show that the videocard drivers aren't loaded correctly. Uninstall and clean out the drivers, then reinstall them.

Adding a cc_config.xml file won't help here, as it just means that some file didn't install correctly with the drivers and that BOINC therefore won't be able to find it. Doing all kinds of things with BOINC won't fix that.
7945) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage too high (Message 45661)
Posted 16 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or BOINC Manager->Projects tab->Select Seti, click Your Preferences in the options on the left. That gets you into your account, from where you can go to the computing and project preferences.

(weirdly enough the "Your account" button brings you nowhere near your account, while the "Your preferences" button doesn't actually take you to your preferences... ;-))
7946) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.28 Computation Errors and not Connecting (Message 45656)
Posted 15 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm getting lots and lots of computation errors.

What kind of errors? Mind linking to any of your computers on the projects, or to any of the erroneous tasks? As without, it can be anything.
7947) Message boards : Questions and problems : Network problems = Unrecoverable error... (Message 45648)
Posted 14 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
7948) Message boards : GPUs : Is there any non-beta research project for ATI\AMD gpu cards? (Message 45646)
Posted 14 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPUGrid has AMD OpenCL apps.

I'm afraid not.

I got that info from someone posting at WCG:
GPUGrid builds an AMD based version of their ACEMD app every time a new SDK is released and has worked with AMD but for the biomolecular processing done at GPUGrid AMD is about 10x slower than NVidia. So it's not that they don't want to utilize AMD, it's just that at this time doesn't make sense, kind of like trying to get non parallel apps shoehorned into a gpu.

I never checked into it myself as they're not an area of interest to me.
7949) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 45639)
Posted 13 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.36 available for testing for Macintosh, Linux and Windows.

Howdy Folks,

Here is a new build to test. It fixes a bugs in the client and manager.
See the change log for details.

Please report and bugs to this email list and test reports to
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.


Thanks in advance.



----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.33 --> 7.0.34 (Windows not released):

  • use <cmath> instead of <math.h>. Seems to be needed on Debian.
  • API, SCR: Switch from *.txf fonts to TrueType fonts in graphics apps, ensuring that all related files have no licensing issues.
  • Mac: change names of branded installers from "*macOSX_universal" to "*macOSX_i686".
  • Mac: Update scripts for building branded installers to allow building with Xcode 4.3 under OS 10.7.x Lion.
  • VBOX: Do not perform the hardware virtualization check when the guest VM is 64-bit. 64-bit guest vms require hardware virtualization and should fail without it.
  • VBOX: Implement the <copy_to_shared/> directive in the vbox_job.xml file. If <copy_to_shared>init_data.xml</copy_to_shared> is set, the wrapper will copy the init_data.xml file to the shared directory before the VM is launched.
  • SCR: Update project files to use FreeType and FTGL on Windows.
  • WIN: Make the example graphics application build again.
  • WIN: Get rid of the linker warnings for both the default screensaver and the example graphics application.
  • API: remove support for BMP and TGA image files; the code to parse these had no license info. Only JPEG is supported now.
  • API: remove references to removed files bmplib.h and tgalib.h
  • Mac: Update build instructions and build script.
  • WIN: Don't include the newer DBGHELP symbols in MinGW64. (From Oliver Bock)
  • client: fix error in runtime estimation for active tasks.
  • MGR: Enforce the 0..10 day limit on the connect interval for the advanced preferences dialog. At some point we should rename it.
  • API: Remove ttfont.cpp from Makefile.am. Apps should include it in their Makefile as needed.
  • SCR: Fix problem with the screensaver needlessly cycling in Windows preview mode. Ugh.
  • client: parse <network_wifi_only> in prefs.
  • WIN: Remove reference to deleted tgalib.cpp file.
  • Client/manager: there was a bug because some code was writing "cpu" in XML, and other code was looking for "CPU". To fix this and prevent similar problems, processor type names are now encapsulated in proc_type_name_xml(). Code should use this rather than having hard-wired names. Redefine: GPU_TYPE_* as macros that call proc_type_name_xml().
  • MGR: Fix build break.
  • client: when we're making a scheduler RPC for a reason other than work fetch, and we're deciding whether to piggyback a work request, skip the checks for hysteresis (buffer < min) and for per-resource backoff time. These checks are there only to limit the rate of RPCs, which is not relevant since we're doing one any.

    This fixes a bug where a project w/ sporadic jobs specifies a next_rpc_delay to ensure regular polling from clients. When these polls occur they should request work regardless of backoff.
  • client: tweak to the above: never ask for work if buffer > max. This is needed to prevent projects that use next_rpc_delay from queuing unbounded work.
  • client: treat all 4xx HTTP errors as permanent.
  • code cleanup.
  • WINSETUP: Provide the ability to create the acct_mgr_login.xml form from the command line. Useful for mass deployments within companies and charities.
  • Mac installer: Fixes for short (posix) user names containing spaces.



Preliminary Change Log 7.0.34 --> 7.0.35 (Windows not released):


  • client: if a project has excluded GPUs of a given type, allow it to fetch work of that type if the # of runnable jobs is <= the # of non-excluded instances (rather than 0).
  • client: If OpenCL detection gets an error for a platform or device, finish detection of the remaining platforms and / or devices.
  • client: print log msgs (enabled by task_debug) if the client times out on quitting or aborting a task, and has to kill it.
  • client: change the way project disk share is computed. Allow projects to report "desired disk usage" (DDU).
    * If the client learns that a project wants disk space, it can shrink the allocation to other projects.
  • client: streamline the console detach process under Windows.
  • client: fix bug that broke file signing with X.509 certificates. From matszpk. Fixes [trac]#1168[/trac].
  • client: work around a nasty bug which crashes OSX (!) on some dual-gpu MacBooks with CUDA.
  • client: initialize memfree and memtotal before use for Nvidia cards. It appears that the Nvidia API was only setting 32-bits of the 64-bit value. The remaining 32-bits were whatever was on the stack.
  • client: Don't support CUDA on dual-GPU MacBooks with automatic GPU switching to save battery power.



Preliminary Change Log 7.0.35 --> 7.0.36 (all platforms release):


  • client: take GPU exclusions into account when making initial work request to a project.
  • client: put some casts to double in NVIDIA detect code. Shouldn't make any difference.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.36_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.36_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.36_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.36_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.36_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Windows
- boinc_7.0.36_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.36_windows_x86_64.exe

7950) Message boards : GPUs : Is there any non-beta research project for ATI\AMD gpu cards? (Message 45638)
Posted 13 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein has AMD OpenCL apps.
Seti has AMD OpenCL apps.
Milkyway has always had AMD apps. Now sporting both CAL and OpenCL apps.
Collatz Conjec ture has had CAL and OpenCL apps for ages.
GPUGrid has AMD OpenCL apps.

Does WCG have any AMD apps these days?
7951) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 45629)
Posted 12 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.35 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.34 --> 7.0.35:

  • client: if a project has excluded GPUs of a given type, allow it to fetch work of that type if the # of runnable jobs is <= the # of non-excluded instances (rather than 0).
  • client: If OpenCL detection gets an error for a platform or device, finish detection of the remaining platforms and / or devices.
  • client: print log msgs (enabled by task_debug) if the client times out on quitting or aborting a task, and has to kill it.
  • client: change the way project disk share is computed. Allow projects to report "desired disk usage" (DDU).
    If the client learns that a project wants disk space, it can shrink the allocation to other projects.
  • client: streamline the console detach process under Windows.
  • client: fix bug that broke file signing with X.509 certificates. From matszpk. Fixes [trac]#1168[/trac].
  • client: work around a nasty bug which crashes OSX (!) on some dual-gpu MacBooks with CUDA.
  • client: initialize memfree and memtotal before use for Nvidia cards. It appears that the Nvidia API was only setting 32-bits of the 64-bit value. The remaining 32-bits were whatever was on the stack.
  • client: Don't support CUDA on dual-GPU MacBooks with automatic GPU switching to save battery power.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.35_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.35_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.35_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7952) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't set proxy settings (Message 45618)
Posted 11 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you check the Connect via xxx option box? Only then does the proxy setting become available.

If that isn't it, then do tell, are you trying to set it with the administrator account that installed BOINC, or with another account that's allowed to control BOINC?
7953) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPUlimit problem (Message 45593)
Posted 8 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
'./cpulimit-P /path_to_Boinc/boinc -l 35'

That's wrong anyway, as BOINC just manages things, it does not use the CPU (perhaps 1% every so often), it does not do any of the science. That's done by the science applications that you download from the projects. Those are then the ones you want to limit.

So then it'll be './cpulimit-P /path_to_Boinc/Boinc/projects/project_name/project_binary -l 35

Anyway, this is a third party add-on, it's not something that BOINC or Berkeley make or develop in any form whatsoever. So you'll have to contact its maker about this.

The maker is Angelo Marletta, he's got a Sourceforge page at http://cpulimit.sourceforge.net/, with at the bottom his email address. I'd say, ask him how to fix it.
7954) Message boards : Questions and problems : flagged as unrecognisable. (Message 45588)
Posted 7 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The following advice is best followed by Advanced BOINC users only.

But now, how do we reset REC and Prio when the need arises (after a testing session has gone haywire)?

Run cache down, upload & report everything.
Make a backup of your BOINC Data directory, of all files and sub-directories.
Next exit BOINC, then delete both client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml in the data directory.

This doesn't reset the values on the BOINC server, so it's possible your Prio value gets downloaded again as soon as you restart BOINC and a new client_state.xml file is written. That though depends on the server version the project is wielding. At least your REC is now zero.
7955) Message boards : GPUs : Not running GPU tasks to completion any longer in 7.0.28 (Message 45571)
Posted 5 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I upgraded to BOINC 7.0.28 .. I was running 6.0.12

6.0.12 doesn't exist. You must've run some 6.10.x or 6.12.x version.
But in any case, what are your settings for minimum buffer and maximum additional buffer?

If these are still on the old 6.12 values, then do know that this changed in 7.0; now BOINC will use the cache settings as minimum water mark settings, where the minimum buffer is truly the minimum that BOINC will want to have work for and the maximum additional buffer is only added to it.

This means that when you ran 6.12 with e.g. 3 days and 7 days to run a 10 day buffer, that you will now have to change this to 7 and 3. The 7 days is then the minimum setting that BOINC will follow to fill the buffer. It will only start filling again when the amount of work in the cache falls to below 7 days.

Furthermore, BOINC 7.0 has completely new and separate CPU and GPU schedulers. There's also a new work-fetch module for both. These cannot be compared to BOINC 6.12, they'll work differently from previous BOINC versions. BOINC will also have to re-learn how long work takes, this depends on how much work you run for each project, and whether or not the project uses CreditNew as well.

In any case, the other project you expect CUDA work from, which project is that? Does it have CUDA work at this time? Does it still have bandwidth left-over to send out work at this time? What do its forums say about this?
7956) Message boards : Questions and problems : Wrapper for android (Message 45564)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AndroidBuildApp
and then you'll also need
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AndroidBuildClient

If that's not what you're after, then email the boinc_projects email list. See this thread for information.
7957) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45561)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ha, glad you got it fixed! Finicky frickin' things those computers. Some glitch someplace. ;-)
7958) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account disappeared (Message 45554)
Posted 3 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're deleting massive amounts of spammers every month. It's possible that your account was an innocent victim that got deleted as well. Especially when the account was made while a spam-bot was busy making hundreds of accounts. Then we just delete account ID xxx1000 - xxx9999, it's easier to manage. Sorry if that happened.
7959) Message boards : Questions and problems : Account disappeared (Message 45549)
Posted 2 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're at the BOINC development forums. There is no BOINC project as such, for which these are the forums.

If you've been running Seti, you'll need to be at the Seti project at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/, try to log in with your details on your account there, and I'm sure it'll work without trouble.

Each project running under BOINC has its own servers, database and thus account information. The BOINC site here runs on a server that's totally separate from the Seti servers. It doesn't even live in the same server cabinet.
7960) Message boards : Questions and problems : mmf says: newest manager does not work at all in w7 sp1 (Message 45531)
Posted 1 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And again, please read When requesting help on these forums....

More specifically:
General
-- In cases where you don't know how to find any information about your system, exit BOINC completely and restart it. Next copy and post the first 20 to 30 lines from the start-up messages. That'll give us enough information about your system, plus it might show a peek into your problem.
--- If BOINC Manager cannot make contact with the client, tell us that. In this case you cannot use the above method of picking up the lines, but they will always be stored in the stdoutdae.txt file in your BOINC Data directory, whose default paths can be found at this BOINC FAQ.

- When having problems with tasks (not) switching, please make sure to post which projects you're attached to and which are all allowed to fetch work and which have work. Check that you didn't set your preferences on the project web site to omit using your CPU or GPU. Check that you didn't suspend the project, the tasks or the use of the piece of hardware.

- If you have preferences problems, please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and if it exists the contents of the global_prefs.override.xml file. These files can be found in your BOINC Data directory.

Your system isn't registered at the BOINC project, so we cannot look it up and check what it's doing. It's only registered at the projects you added. We can only check what is wrong with it when you give us a link to its hostID number, as long as the system isn't hidden.

Your system doesn't just consist of just a videocard and an Operating System; it'll contain a motherboard, CPU, memory, network card, audio card, lots of fans, a power supply unit, drivers for all the hardware, lots of other programs and probably a lot of dust. Please be as detailed in describing your system as you possibly can. But do not copy everything that certain tools will give you as 'details', as that's just too much.

Minimum we request is CPU brand/model/speed, GPU brand/model/speed, amount of RAM, version of DirectX, drivers version for the videocard, your Operating System (and please state if it's 32bit or 64 bit).

Please do know that we cannot look over your shoulder to see what you see or do. You will have to give as much information as you possibly can. You are the one with the problem, so you will have to be as informative as possible to give us a clue as to what you are on about.


Windows
- In all cases: Please tell us which BOINC version you are using. You can find this information in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager.

- When BOINC Manager refuses to make contact with the client, make sure that you did allow both Boinc.exe and Boincmgr.exe through your firewall. Check that your firewall didn't receive an update and reset connections. If it worked before and now it doesn't, it's something on your system that changed. You just have to work back and figure out what. For other hints on this specific problem, see this FAQ.
7961) Message boards : Questions and problems : mmf says: newest manager does not work at all in w7 sp1 (Message 45528)
Posted 1 Sep 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
yours newest manager does not work at all in th w7 sp1, and i just brokes the almost ready tasks.

Since this has nothing to do with the thread you posted in, please repost in a thread of your own, using the New thread button at the Q&P forum, what your exact problem is. With which BOINC version, which project(s) you run and a link to any of the work that got 'broken'.

Also see this thread as to what we'd like for information.

As for Dr. Anderson's email address, it's one link away from the front page. However, he'll be ignoring your emails if you make them in the way you made your post, with absolutely no information whatsoever. Dr. Anderson dislikes having to pull information that you have readily available out of you even more than we do. So just don't email him. If need be, if there's a real problem, I'll email him.

But until that time, go make your own thread, add all the info into it that you can muster up and I'll take a look at it.
7962) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45524)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did just see that Collatz's prefs (on the collatz site) were set to use my GPU all the time. But BAM was set to suspend. I would think BAM is what's managing that, but I have to wonder if collatz was overriding it somehow.

It shouldn't, as then it would show up in the global_prefs.xml file as being set so.

And even then, the global_prefs_override.xml file is called this way because when saved, the local preferences will OVERRIDE all similar preferences as set in the web-preferences.

Both your old global_prefs.xml and global_prefs_override.xml said: <run_gpu_if_user_active>0</run_gpu_if_user_active>, so that's the thing BOINC should follow.
7963) Message boards : Projects : I wish to prioritize my Favorite Project! (Message 45523)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still, thanks for the caution; though I wasn't suggesting everyone edit their client_state.xml files willy-nilly, either.

You don't want to know what other people will read into anything anyone else says, from suggestions to questions, some see it as the thing to do and then come complain and yell at us when it breaks their BOINC.

We warn everyone not to edit client_state.xml when you don't know what you're doing, and even when you think you know what you're doing, not to do it when there's an easier way to fix 'a problem like this one'.

Essentially, in this case, you'll need to edit the account_*.xml, client_state.xml, client_state_prev.xml, master_*.xml and sched_reply_*.xml files to suit as well. And do so without an XML editor, just an ASCII editor, so you don't add extra tags that will irrevocably break these files.

Even then, as Claggy also said, at the next contact it'll just all change back.
7964) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45516)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Generally when it happens, it's running collatz, which is the only one that uses the ATI GPU on the Mac (that I've found), so that's what makes the computer crawl.

OK, so it could be what Charlie said (see for reference my post above this one, I heavily edited it), that it's slow at unloading the tasks from memory when you start using the system.

It can take up to 10 seconds before BOINC notices that you're using the system as that detection only runs once every 10 seconds (or thereabouts). Unloading 9 threads (8 CPU tasks + 1 GPU task) can take a minute or more, it really depends on the speed of the memory and hard drive.

Therefore, using the "leave applications in memory" option isn't so bad. It will leave apps in virtual memory almost instantly and should return control over your computer back to faster.

By the way, Einstein has an OpenCL app for AMD GPUs as well. It needs minimum Lion, as this has the OpenCL drivers built in.
Primegrid has a PPS (Sieve) application for AMD GPUs on Mac OS X 10.5+ as well.
7965) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45514)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm... brainwave.
Which projects are you attached to?
Which project/projects is/are running when you notice that BOINC does not follow preferences?
-- Are they always the same projects, or does it differ?
Also, how much memory does your Mac have, and do you perhaps know its speed?

By the way, the developers are reading from the sidelines, but are as baffled as we are and just waiting for us to fix it. ;-)

Edit, having said that, Charlie Fenton, the developer for the Mac chimed in:
Hi Jord,

Some last thoughts before I leave for the holiday weekend:

I'm wondering on what he bases his belief that BOINC did not suspend. Does the Advanced View Tasks tab actually not say "Suspended - computer is in use"? I see he has his system set to not keep project applications in memory when suspended. He could keep the Activity monitor running and see if the project applications are still running.

If he is basing it just on the computer being sluggish, that could be a different problem entirely. For example, I have seen some projects fail to suspend when told to do so by BOINC.

Also, I find that my Mac Pro is often very slow to respond when BOINC has been running even though it has suspended. I've never been able to figure out why, but I suspect this is because my Mac Pro has only 2 GB RAM and the CPU RAM and GPU memory have been mostly taken over by BOINC projects. Perhaps it takes a while for the OS to swap itself in. Since he is using the GPU for BOINC, this might be his problem as well.
7966) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45513)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
hmm... I DO have an override file.

Then you still use the local (advanced) preferences. These clear by using the Clear button. And they're resaved when you click OK on exiting the box there, after (quickly) checking something again. ;-)

I've checked through the files, but didn't see anything out of the ordinary.
Still, for testing please clear the local preferences (check that the *_override.xml gets deleted). Or yes, quit BOINC, delete both files, then restart BOINC and sync with BAM! (rigorous, but it should do it).
7967) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45510)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've cleared the settings from Computing Preferences several times, then told it to resync.

Please check in your BOINC Data directory if you have the following file(s):
global_prefs.xml
global_prefs_override.xml

Saying you have cleared the local preferences, you shouldn't have the second one, the *_override.xml file. But what is the timestamp on the first one?

Also, what are its contents, can you post those here, please?
You don't need an XML reader for this, you can use any default ASCII text reader.
7968) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45508)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Something to double-check. You do have your Activity set to run based on preferences, don't you?
7969) Message boards : Projects : I wish to prioritize my Favorite Project! (Message 45507)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't make any manual changes to client_state.xml, this can severely break just about everything and lose you work. Besides, you'd need other places to manual change the value as well.

You say it's not to be found at WCG, but it is. It's just called differently, Project Weight. My Grid->Device Manager->Device profiles->Profile name->first option in Cross Project Settings.
7970) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45499)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't see how to force them on the client

Advanced view->Advanced->Read preferences file will re-read the global_prefs_override.xml file (only when it exists).
It seems more like BOINC doesn't always notice mouse/keyboard activity and suspend operations.

There have been problems with the (USB) keyboard and mouse status detection on the *Nix platform (Linux, Unix), but those should've been fixed in 7.0.29
Now, whether or not OS X has a similar problem, I don't know. I'll go ask the developer.

On the mac, btw, it's Tools -> Computing Preferences.

Ah sorry, it's that on all platforms. I just missed the computing part. ;-)
7971) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when computer in use (Message 45496)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you set the preferences through local advanced preferences?
(BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Preferences)
7972) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two reboots - still get reboot error (Message 45483)
Posted 30 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, it's in the Programs directory then. I then learned something new as well. ;-)
7973) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two reboots - still get reboot error (Message 45481)
Posted 30 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Remove the RebootPending.txt file from your BOINC Data directory.

Default places for this directory:
Windows 98/SE/ME: C:\Windows\All Users\BOINC\ or C:\Windows\Profiles\All Users\BOINC\
Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\
Windows Vista/Windows 7: C:\ProgramData\BOINC\
Linux: wherever you unpack it/BOINC/
Macintosh OS X: /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/

This will be a hidden directory on most OSes, so either put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer, or instruct Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
7974) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager on Mac OSX 10.7 - Slow start; advanced view unresponsive (Message 45473)
Posted 28 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, more answers from developers.

It is either a permissions problem or a corrupted system configuration file, causing BOINC to be unable to get network the name of his Computer. Please repair permissions (using the Disk Utility application in the /Applications/Utilities/ directory.)

If that does not solve the problem, go to the Sharing pane of System Preferences, and check the "Computer Name". You may need to edit or re-enter this "Computer Name".
7975) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems running Boinc 7.0.31 on MAc Mountain Lion (Message 45469)
Posted 27 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project was running and with what kind of application?
Which year is your MacBook Pro from, or else what kind of CPU is in it?
Is it possible that a (built in) GPU caused the heat up?
7976) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager on Mac OSX 10.7 - Slow start; advanced view unresponsive (Message 45465)
Posted 27 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're waiting for some answers from another developer, but since he lives in the projected path of hurricane Isaac, it can take a while for him to answer.

In the mean time a request from the Mac developer. Try running with "suspend when the user is active" set to On. This so we can test if it's really BOINC or BOINC Manager that's so slow to start.
7977) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 64-bit (Message 45452)
Posted 26 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll ask the developer.

However, do know that it won't matter much. The thing actually doing all the managing and such is the BOINC client binary. BOINC Manager is just a GUI, a graphical user interface that allows you to give commands to the client in an easier way. It doesn't need to be 64bit, as it will never be able to use up 4GB of memory or more.
7978) Message boards : Questions and problems : xubuntu 12.04 boinc-manager 7.0.27 corrupted GUI (Message 45450)
Posted 26 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Try to resize the Manager. Others have said that this will fix the problem.
2. This seems to be a BOINC package that you installed through repositories. In this case, you will have to complain at the package maintainers of Xubuntu as they're responsible for that BOINC package.
7979) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 64-bit (Message 45447)
Posted 26 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Where did you get this BOINC from, Berkeley or Ubuntu repositories?
2. What is the name of the BOINC installer file (if you have it)?
7980) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager on Mac OSX 10.7 - Slow start; advanced view unresponsive (Message 45444)
Posted 26 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you allow the BOINC binary and the BOINCMGR binary to talk to each other through your firewall? You'll need to allow them on TCP port 31416.

Separately, the BOINC binary needs to be able to access the internet through TCP ports 80 and 443.
7981) Message boards : Questions and problems : want boinc and applications to run on ext ssd drive.How install? (Message 45440)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on your OS, really. For Windows and Mac OS X, see this FAQ.

Do know that an SSD has a finite amount of writes and that BOINC will write to disk a lot. You may want to reconsider.
7982) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager on Mac OSX 10.7 - Slow start; advanced view unresponsive (Message 45434)
Posted 25 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, a couple of things.
- Do you have BOINC set to suspend when the user is active?
--> If not, the project application may be responsible for the sluggish behavior, but everything on the computer should be slow in that case.

- The developer asks if you can make a cc_config.xml file and add into it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<coproc_debug>1</coproc_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

Place this file in your BOINC Data directory, default on OS X at /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/

Then exit & restart BOINC to let it make use of the configuration file.
The extra output will be in the Event Log. We ask that you post the first 2 minutes worth of line here in the forums. I'll forward that to the developer.

With thanks.
7983) Message boards : BOINC Manager : starting boinc manually (Message 45429)
Posted 24 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still, it should be there.
7984) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Multi-touch gestures on Macbook Air Trackpad affected by BOINC (Message 45424)
Posted 24 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
7985) Message boards : BOINC client : command lines of Boinc client (Message 45422)
Posted 24 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, missed those.
In that case, can one even do http://nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn? I thought that you can't capture an IP address in HTTP format.
7986) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager on Mac OSX 10.7 - Slow start; advanced view unresponsive (Message 45421)
Posted 24 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of GPU is in that system? The line about OpenCL is BOINC trying to determine if the GPU is OpenCL capable. This detection can slow the system down if it's low on (other) resources.

So, other than that it's OS X 10.7.4, what kind of Mac is it?
Memory amount?
And as asked, GPU (graphics card)?
7987) Message boards : BOINC client : command lines of Boinc client (Message 45415)
Posted 23 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC command line tool Boinccmd isn't used to attach a computer to a project. You use the BOINC binary for that.

Usage: boinc [options]
    --abort_jobs_on_exit           when client exits, abort and report jobs
    --allow_remote_gui_rpc         allow remote GUI RPC connections
    --allow_multiple_clients       allow >1 instances per host
    --attach_project <URL> <key>   attach to a project
    --check_all_logins             for idle detection, check remote logins too
    --daemon                       run as daemon (Unix)
    --detach_console               detach from console (Windows)
    --detach_project <URL>         detach from a project
    --dir <path>                   use given dir as BOINC home
    --exit_after_app_start N       exit N seconds after an app starts
    --exit_after_finish            exit right after finishing a job
    --exit_before_start            exit right before starting a job
    --exit_before_upload           exit right before starting an upload
    --exit_when_idle               exit when there are no results
    --fetch_minimal_work           fetch only 1 job per device
    --file_xfer_giveup_period N    give up on file xfers after N sec
    --gui_rpc_port <port>          port for GUI RPCs
    --help                         show options
    --launched_by_manager          client was launched by Manager
    --master_fetch_interval N      limiting period of master retry
    --master_fetch_period N        reload master URL after N RPC failures
    --master_fetch_retry_cap N     exponential backoff limit
    --no_gpus                      don't check for GPUs
    --no_gui_rpc                   don't allow GUI RPC, don't make socket
    --no_info_fetch                don't fetch project list or client version info
    --no_priority_change           run apps at same priority as client
    --pers_giveup N                giveup time for persistent file xfer
    --pers_retry_delay_max N       max for file xfer exponential backoff
    --pers_retry_delay_min N       min for file xfer exponential backoff
    --redirectio                   redirect stdout and stderr to log files
    --reset_project <URL>          reset (clear) a project
    --retry_cap N                  exponential backoff limit
    --run_cpu_benchmarks           run the CPU benchmarks
    --run_by_updater               set by updater
    --saver                        client was launched by screensaver
    --sched_retry_delay_max N      max for RPC exponential backoff
    --sched_retry_delay_min N      min for RPC exponential backoff
    --show_projects                show attached projects
    --skip_cpu_benchmarks          don't run CPU benchmarks
    --start_delay X                delay starting apps for X secs
    --unsigned_apps_ok             allow unsigned apps (for testing)
    --update_prefs <URL>           contact a project to update preferences
    --version                      show version info


For boinccmd:
usage: boinccmd [--host hostname] [--passwd passwd] command

Commands:
 --create_account URL email passwd name
 --file_transfer URL filename op    file transfer operation
   op = retry | abort
 --get_cc_status
 --get_daily_xfer_history           show network traffic history
 --get_disk_usage                   show disk usage
 --get_file_transfers               show file transfers
 --get_host_info
 --get_message_count                show largest message seqno
 --get_messages [ seqno ]           show messages > seqno
 --get_notices [ seqno ]            show notices > seqno
 --get_project_config URL
 --get_project_status               show status of all attached projects
 --get_proxy_settings
 --get_simple_gui_info              show status of projects and active tasks
 --get_state                        show entire state
 --get_tasks                        show tasks
 --join_acct_mgr URL name passwd    attach account manager
 --lookup_account URL email passwd
 --network_available                retry deferred network communication
 --project URL op                   project operation
   op = reset | detach | update | suspend | resume | nomorework | allowmorework
 --project_attach URL auth          attach to project
 --quit                             tell client to exit
 --quit_acct_mgr                    quit current account manager
 --read_cc_config
 --read_global_prefs_override
 --run_benchmarks
 --set_debts URL1 std1 ltd1 [URL2 std2 ltd2 ...]
 --set_gpu_mode mode duration       set GPU run mode for given duration
   mode = always | auto | never
 --set_network_mode mode duration
 --set_proxy_settings
 --set_run_mode mode duration       set run mode for given duration
   mode = always | auto | never
 --task url task_name op            task operation
   op = suspend | resume | abort
 --version, -V                      show client version
7988) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspend all Projects Command line? (Message 45407)
Posted 22 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could use boinccmd --set_run_mode never 9999, which will suspend BOINC for 9999 seconds. Which should do about the same as you probably want to do.
7989) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager 7 + Ubuntu 12.04 = no advanced mode? (Message 45391)
Posted 21 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is, it just looks like your GUI isn't rendering correctly. As to why that is, I don't know. The Simple View GUI normally looks like shown in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Simple_view. There you'll also find the menu entries.

Now, you don't say which BOINC 7.0 you use, but perhaps it's an old beta that had not all rendering included. Or really, it's some library you lack on your system.

Why not do ldd boincmgr and post the outcome? (That's el dee dee).
7990) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2500k + GTX 580 beating out 3930k +GTX690???? (Message 45388)
Posted 21 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I can see, the discrepancy could be due to the fact that the i5 has 242 valid tasks, the i7 only 227.
The turn-around time of the i5 is also lower (0.11 days) than the one for the i7 (0.29 days). More throughput is more credit is more recent average credit.
7991) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bionic crash (Message 45385)
Posted 21 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tell the boss I said to double your salary. =)

Thanks for the kind wishes, but it'll still be nothing. I volunteer here.

Glad your problem's fixed, though. :-)
7992) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bionic crash (Message 45383)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say you installed a new motherboard an processor.
- Did you reinstall Windows afterwards?

Yes, full clean format and install but it was working untill I did the video drivers and update

Do you remember which video drivers? The ones for your Nvidia card or the Intel GPU?

I'm highly suspecting the Intel OpenCL drivers for this, as it's given other people problems --although no complete client crash. There doesn't seem to be a way to uninstall only the OpenCL component of these drivers, though. They're integrated in the "Intel Graphics Media Accelerator Driver" package. Unless they show up as being separate in the Uninstall a program tool in Windows.
7993) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 45381)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.34 available for testing for Macintosh.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.33 --> 7.0.34:

  • use <cmath> instead of <math.h>. Seems to be needed on Debian.
  • API, SCR: Switch from *.txf fonts to TrueType fonts in graphics apps, ensuring that all related files have no licensing issues.
  • Mac: change names of branded installers from "*macOSX_universal" to "*macOSX_i686".
  • Mac: Update scripts for building branded installers to allow building with Xcode 4.3 under OS 10.7.x Lion.
  • VBOX: Do not perform the hardware virtualization check when the guest VM is 64-bit. 64-bit guest vms require hardware virtualization and should fail without it.
  • VBOX: Implement the <copy_to_shared/> directive in the vbox_job.xml file. If <copy_to_shared>init_data.xml</copy_to_shared> is set, the wrapper will copy the init_data.xml file to the shared directory before the VM is launched.
  • SCR: Update project files to use FreeType and FTGL on Windows.
  • WIN: Make the example graphics application build again.
  • WIN: Get rid of the linker warnings for both the default screensaver and the example graphics application.
  • API: remove support for BMP and TGA image files; the code to parse these had no license info. Only JPEG is supported now.
  • API: remove references to removed files bmplib.h and tgalib.h
  • Mac: Update build instructions and build script.
  • WIN: Don't include the newer DBGHELP symbols in MinGW64. (From Oliver Bock)
  • client: fix error in runtime estimation for active tasks.
  • MGR: Enforce the 0..10 day limit on the connect interval for the advanced preferences dialog. At some point we should rename it.
  • API: Remove ttfont.cpp from Makefile.am. Apps should include it in their Makefile as needed.
  • SCR: Fix problem with the screensaver needlessly cycling in Windows preview mode. Ugh.
  • client: parse <network_wifi_only> in prefs.
  • WIN: Remove reference to deleted tgalib.cpp file.
  • Client/manager: there was a bug because some code was writing "cpu" in XML, and other code was looking for "CPU". To fix this and prevent similar problems, processor type names are now encapsulated in proc_type_name_xml(). Code should use this rather than having hard-wired names. Redefine: GPU_TYPE_* as macros that call proc_type_name_xml().
  • MGR: Fix build break.
  • client: when we're making a scheduler RPC for a reason other than work fetch, and we're deciding whether to piggyback a work request, skip the checks for hysteresis (buffer < min) and for per-resource backoff time. These checks are there only to limit the rate of RPCs, which is not relevant since we're doing one any.

    This fixes a bug where a project w/ sporadic jobs specifies a next_rpc_delay to ensure regular polling from clients. When these polls occur they should request work regardless of backoff.
  • client: tweak to the above: never ask for work if buffer > max. This is needed to prevent projects that use next_rpc_delay from queuing unbounded work.
  • client: treat all 4xx HTTP errors as permanent.
  • code cleanup.
  • WINSETUP: Provide the ability to create the acct_mgr_login.xml form from the command line. Useful for mass deployments within companies and charities.
  • Mac installer: Fixes for short (posix) user names containing spaces.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.34_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.34_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.34_i686-apple-darwin.zip

7994) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bionic crash (Message 45380)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am the admin and only account on the computer.

Actually, there'll be a "Guest" account, (an "Administrator" account) and the "boinc_master" and "boinc_projects" accounts on the system now as well. You can check that with "Net User" from a command line window. ;)

Now then, use Windows Explorer to open C:\Programdata\
Right Click on BOINC (still not Bionic).
Choose Properties.
Choose Security.
Please post the "Group or user names" and their permissions for the system.

Have you got an anti virus software package installed?
Did you exclude the BOINC Data directory from being actively scanned? -- if not, do this first. Also do this for other anti-malware packages.
Do you have BOINC allowed through your firewall?
-- boinc.exe needs access on TCP 80 and 443
-- boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe need access on TCP 31416 for localhost (127.0.0.1)

Check in Windows Event Viewer (Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer) for any yellow or red markers in and around the problem times.

- Did you install the Nvidia drivers from the Nvidia download page?
- Did you install the Intel (motherboard chipset) drivers from the Intel download page?
- Which BIOS version is your motherboard?
You wrote:
I see "OpenCL" in a few places in the Driver files list.

- Where, exactly?
7995) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bionic crash (Message 45377)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, that was just to check if it was in the right directory.

You say you installed a new motherboard an processor.
- Did you reinstall Windows afterwards?
- Did you do that with the BOINC data directory in place on the drive?
- Have you checked permissions on the BOINC Data directory?
-- Have you tried to force ownership, using the "change owner to:" tool from the Advanced Security Settings dialog?
7996) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bionic crash (Message 45374)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently not all of it got erased in the uninstall.

A BOINC uninstallation just deletes the BOINC program files. It leaves the BOINC limited user account, work groups and data directory in place.

Uhm... check the C:\Program Files\ and C:\Program Files (x86)\ directories, please. In which of these is there a BOINC directory?
7997) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bionic crash (Message 45371)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check in your BOINC data directory (default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\) for the stderrdae.txt file and post its contents.

Apropos, it's BOINC, not Bionic.
This in case you start typing in wrong paths.

Extra question, do you have OpenCL drivers installed for the Intel HD Graphics 4000 chipset? Or do you have the Intel OpenCL SDK installed?
7998) Message boards : Questions and problems : fetch_minimal_work (Message 45368)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mine seems to not be picking up work for the GPU that is what seemed to confuse me. I probably have a setting wrong someplace!

Work requests for CPU and GPU can be separate. If the work request does not happen simultaneously for both CPU and GPU, then after work was fetched for the CPU, all work requests will cease. It doesn't matter if the project has then 1 task or a million still available, the BOINC with that setting won't get more until it's been exited and restarted.
7999) Message boards : Questions and problems : fetch_minimal_work (Message 45366)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
<fetch_minimal_work> will fetch one task per CPU core or per GPU and then stop fetching work. In BOINC 7.0 it will pick the work from the project that is most eligible to fetch work first.
8000) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager 7 + Ubuntu 12.04 = no advanced mode? (Message 45353)
Posted 19 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shift + CTRL + A switches to Advanced view.
8001) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Wishlist for Mac (Message 45349)
Posted 18 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive, although this method is for advanced users.
8002) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to down load lastest 64bit bonic. (Message 45346)
Posted 18 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
???

You said you had no problems downloading and installing the 32bit BOINC client, which is what I quoted and what sparked my answer to you. Why then still try to download and install the 64bit client?
8003) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to down load lastest 64bit bonic. (Message 45343)
Posted 18 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just for kicks and gillcus I tried the 32bit client. No problems downloading/installing.

So why not use this one then?

32bit BOINC can run 32bit and 64bit applications just as well as 64bit BOINC can. The only difference between the versions is that 32bit BOINC can at maximum allocate 4GB of memory, a thing you'd only need when you run a project that uses ~1GB tasks and those are in short supply at this time.

The projects that supply 64bit applications check the operating system you have to send you the correct application, not which BOINC you have.
8004) Message boards : Questions and problems : Will Transferring Virtualbox BOINC Guest Invalidate Results? (Message 45334)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't it easier to ask for permission through their firewall, since you already have permission to run BOINC and one or more projects on those computers?

The walking to and fro with computer images/virtual box images can go wrong and will be extremely tedious.

In any case, the computer that downloads the tasks gets registered with a hostID. This hostID should also upload & report those tasks again. The CPU doesn't matter that much, just rerun the benchmarks when installed on the computer doing the calculations.

No, normally the thing to keep an eye on is the operating system. That you don't use Linux to try to run tasks downloaded on a Windows computer and v.v. But in the case of the VM that doesn't matter as the VM states which OS you run. And I assume here that you use a form of Linux, as I doubt you're going to pay for all the licenses for all the Windows VMs you wanted to install... ;-)
8005) Message boards : Questions and problems : problems with run_manager - missing libraries (Message 45332)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tried updating your library files?
8006) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc on ubuntu 12.04 ..... (Message 45331)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC?
What kind of proxy?
Have you set it up correctly through either BOINC Manager, the BOINCCMD tool or the cc_config.xml file, and if so through which?
Is this a company computer?
Do you have permission to run BOINC on it, if it is a company computer?
What else did the error message say, did it give a specific error code or number? E.g. error 503.
8007) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to disable proxy settings using the command line? (Message 45330)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure, so I asked the developers. Will answer back when they do so to me.
8008) Message boards : Questions and problems : Work fetch problem with more than 1 ATI GPU, app_info & exclusions (Message 45329)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
8009) Message boards : Questions and problems : Alternate Times (Message 45328)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's on the to do list, but with no time table for completion.
8010) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help! Boinc has started so many threads the Windows GUI is not reponding! (Message 45323)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmm, it looks like Seti admin knows about the problem. See Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs.
8011) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help! Boinc has started so many threads the Windows GUI is not reponding! (Message 45321)
Posted 17 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If all is OK you have to see (in Windows Task Manager):
4 CPU tasks/apps running (setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe or astropulse_6.01_windows_intelx86.exe)
1 GPU tasks/apps running (setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe or setiathome_6.09_windows_intelx86__cuda23.exe)

Not if he has "Leave applications in memory while suspended" set to On. Then any task that was ever started but not finished will remain in memory for as long as the BOINC binary runs.
8012) Message boards : GPUs : BOINC forcing GPU switch even when set to not use GPU???? (Message 45293)
Posted 15 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
From http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing#Things_to_be_aware_of, last note:
Some newer MacBooks have dual GPUs with automatic switching. BOINC won't detect the NVIDIA or ATI/AMD GPU unless it is currently selected. You can force selection either permanently or temporarily using a third-party utility. But be aware that forcing the use of the NVIDIA or ATI/AMD GPU may cause faster battery drain; this of course is not an issue when running on AC power.
8013) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help! Boinc has started so many threads the Windows GUI is not reponding! (Message 45291)
Posted 15 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, for some reason you have 19 Seti@Home processes running, which will slow down anyone's computer. Your best course of action is first to exit BOINC completely.

When that's done, go back into Task Manager, sort by alphabet (click once or twice on Image Name), then see if there's still rogue Seti processes in memory. If there are, one by one select them and click End Process, confirm that action.

When all are ended, restart BOINC (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager).
I'm sure the computer is now more responsive.
8014) Message boards : Questions and problems : Get work, Do work then Shutdown? (Message 45290)
Posted 15 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, these are switches for use after the BOINC binary, so you can start BOINC with them.
The <exit_after_finish/> and <fetch_minimal_work/> flags can be used from a cc_config.xml, but it's not necessary to do so.

See this BOINC FAQ for all command line switches.
8015) Message boards : Questions and problems : Get work, Do work then Shutdown? (Message 45276)
Posted 14 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check the command line options for the BOINC binary.
Things as:

--exit_after_app_start N
Exit N seconds after an application starts.

--exit_after_finish
Exit right after finishing a job.

--exit_before_start
Exit right before starting a job.

--exit_before_upload
Exit right before starting an upload.

--exit_when_idle
Exit when there are no tasks.

--fetch_minimal_work
Get only one task per CPU core or GPU.

In this case you best run with boinc.exe --fetch_minimal_work --exit_after_finish
This will get one task per CPU core/GPU, run it and when the task has finished, exit BOINC.
8016) Message boards : Questions and problems : Run single job instance on multiple hosts (Message 45275)
Posted 14 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that is not possible with BOINC.
8017) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help! Boinc has started so many threads the Windows GUI is not reponding! (Message 45272)
Posted 14 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
More info, please:
Operating system
BOINC version
Are you really seeing multiple boinc binary processes or are they multiple boincmgr binary processes?

I ask as the boinc binary should only be able to start once. It checks in memory if another version is running and if there is and there's no --allow_multiple_clients flag set, then it won't start another process.
However, the boincmgr binary can be started multiple times. A bit more difficult in BOINC 7, but still highly doable.
8018) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 45271)
Posted 14 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
But to be sure, I've asked David for a reaction (did that earlier already, still waiting for an answer).

David Anderson wrote:
It remains to be seen; we'll try to keep the BOINC server up part of the day.
8019) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 45269)
Posted 14 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I expect this website will also go down as it is in the same building as SETI@Home.

Being in the same building isn't the thing there. If the power goes off in the Seti server cabinet, the BOINC domain will continue to be on line, due to its server being in another part of the building.

But to be sure, I've asked David for a reaction (did that earlier already, still waiting for an answer).
8020) Message boards : Questions and problems : Run single job instance on multiple hosts (Message 45251)
Posted 13 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1- I'm confirming that, can the BOINC wrapper run any kind of software written in any language? Any special considerations? Since I won't be able to modify this software's code.

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WrapperApp for a lot more information, but in essence, it doesn't matter what own language the application uses, the wrapper app will be able to run it.

2- The application can run from a command line interface. Can I run this application process as a single instance on multiple hosts simultaneously?

As far as I know, the app cannot be run from the command line in a wrapper app. However, to be sure about that, best ask at the BOINC Projects email list. This list needs registration, but you will be answered by other project admin and/or the developers, and that normally within a day.
8021) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using the command line? (Message 45246)
Posted 12 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The command line version is exactly the same as the GUI version, but for that there's no GUI attached and that you have to run all commands by the command line, directly on the BOINC binary or through the BOINCCMD command tool.

BOINC doesn't do any calculations, so it cannot be faster in one way or the other. It's the science applications that do the calculations and optimization on them can increase gain in calculation speed etc.

That there is a separate version without GUI available for the Mac is as far as I know for those systems that don't have the X Windows system installed and therefore can't show a GUI; it's also there for the purist who doesn't want to use any GUIs.

Under the other platforms (Linux and Windows) one can just run the Boinc binary without the Boincmgr binary to achieve the same effect.
8022) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver not working (Message 45232)
Posted 11 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is a BOINC X screen saver for Linux, it's been included in BOINC packages since two years. Whether or not projects have Linux screen savers (graphics applications) is something you'll have to ask the projects. Probably not as it isn't easy to make a uniform screen saver that works on all distros.

See the source code, branch 7.0a, directory clientscr, screensaver_x11.cpp
8023) Message boards : Questions and problems : Restore older gui to newer client? (Message 45220)
Posted 10 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I absolutely hate the fact that the BOINC developers arbitrarily decided to make me...

Not arbitrarily, but due to the outcome of a poll held over the course of 6 months under resident users and newcomers alike.

Why do people always feel that changes made to BOINC are done at a whim and always to frustrate the old constituency, never to better the use of BOINC for newcomers, who might be seeing all those messages as errors and therefore abandoning the use of BOINC before they had a real chance to get acquainted with the program? Never thought of that one, huh? ;-)

8024) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc 7.0.28x64 runs only 2 tasks on system with 4-core and 75% CPU assigned (Message 45215)
Posted 10 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on where you set the preferences.

First off, go to the project's website, your account, global preferences and tell us what the values are for both:
- On multiprocessors, use XX of the processors.
- On multiprocessors, use ZZ% of the processors.

And what is the value you set in BOINC its local preferences?
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences->Processors usage/other options.

Or if you can't find these that quickly, post the contents of both the global_prefs.xml and the global_prefs_override.xml files, found in the BOINC Data directory. You can open these with any clear text editor, such as Notepad in Windows.
8025) Message boards : Questions and problems : getting "must be administrator" message in BOINC 7.0.31 after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Message 45213)
Posted 9 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say "latest version", but which version number is that? It'll say that in the installer name. If this isn't 7.0.31, then please try with that version first. If need be, go to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php and download it from there.

The BOINC developer for the Mac is subscribed to this thread, so he'll get all this information. And if need be, he'll add his own questions.

In the mean time, try to get a log from the installer. The developer will be interested in getting that. To get the installation log, do the following:

After launching the installer, select "Installer Log" from the Window menu, or type command-L. A log window will appear. In the top left corner of the log window, select "Show all logs" or type command-3.

When the installation is finished, but before clicking Close or Restart, click on the Save icon in the top right corner of the log window to write the log to a file, which can then be emailed or copied into a post or private message.

For the moment save the file locally and wait for the developer to decide how he wants you to treat the file.
8026) Message boards : Questions and problems : getting "must be administrator" message in BOINC 7.0.31 after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Message 45207)
Posted 9 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Give a lot more information. I don't even know what you mean with what you say. Normally when you remove any software of course it won't (further) work, until you install the newer version. Is that what you did?

Also, specifically, which previous BOINC version?
Which new BOINC version?
Which operating system?

Do know that we aren't looking over your shoulder, see what you do. You will have to tell us, in detail, what you did, what errors if any you saw etc.
8027) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on ARM devices (round 2) (Message 45203)
Posted 9 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
This just up, Quake Catchers Network has written an application specifically for the Raspberry Pi.
8028) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and F-Secure (Message 45194)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to the second post, the Online Safety is a separate program and can be uninstalled through Uninstall a program (the old Add/Remove Programs in Windows). Start->Control Panel->Programs->Uninstall a program.

But tell me, what's wrong with Windows firewall?
And I bet that there's a hardware firewall in your modem/router, so there's always protection. Most problems occur on systems that don't have any firewall installed, and are connected directly to the internet, or where its owners can't stand the urge to click links in their emails.

(Zo ben jij toch niet? ;))
8029) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.28 (x86) Screen Saver Problem (Message 45192)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers finally had time to look at this, and put in a fix. It will be fixed in BOINC 7.0.34

WINSCR: Fix problem with the screensaver needlessly cycling in preview mode. Ugh.
8030) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and F-Secure (Message 45191)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I said goodbye to KPN (father of XS4All and Planet) when they disconnected me without sufficient cause, moved to Ziggo, never looked back. Cable does give (me at least) the speed they advertise. I've got a 120Mbit connection and 14.9MB/sec. downloads. But then you must have that possibility of course, not everyone can (easily) swap to another provider.

But then, I did a Google search and found this thread at F-Secure forums, looks like it is F-Secure being overly secure.

Also see this thread. This person fixed it by Uninstalling the "Online Safety" function.
8031) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and F-Secure (Message 45189)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, it's something you'll have to ask the makers of F-secure then.
8032) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to down load lastest 64bit bonic. (Message 45181)
Posted 7 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Are you downloading it from home, or from work?
2. Are you behind a proxy?
3. The error 126 is a Windows Installer error. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959077 for information and possible fixes.
8033) Message boards : Questions and problems : lost hours/lost projects (Message 45176)
Posted 7 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, you've come to the BOINC forums, not the Seti forums. The Seti forums is where your account will be, the BOINC forums are for that matter a new place. We don't do any work here, it's the place to be to complain about BOINC or report bugs about it, or ask general help on how to get it running.

You though will need to start at the Seti helpdesk forums, after Seti is back from its maintenance. Every Tuesday Seti has several hours of maintenance (backing up mostly). During this time the project is unavailable, their forums are down.

Posting something there will help the person(s) trying to help you, as when they then click on your name, and you do not have your computers hidden from sight on the web site, they can see what your computer's been doing all this time. Or what errors, if any, it has returned.
8034) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to down load lastest 64bit bonic. (Message 45175)
Posted 7 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
How about telling Firefox where to save the file, and then save it to a different location (than the default)?

Top left Firefox label->Options->Options->General->Always ask me where to save files->OK.
8035) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to down load lastest 64bit bonic. (Message 45172)
Posted 7 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Screen shots are best put on a free storage site such as Photobucket or Imageshack and then linked to that.

Photobucket requires registration, Imageshack can be used without an account.

What happens when you use the download link? What do you see?
Or did you manage to download BOINC from it, but is the installer giving you problems?
8036) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and F-Secure (Message 45171)
Posted 7 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The solution is to exclude the BOINC data directory and all of its files and sub-directories from being (actively) scanned by your AV scanner. Only scan in here manually, after you exited or suspended BOINC.
8037) Message boards : Questions and problems : More example_app questions (Message 45163)
Posted 6 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best ask server and application related questions on the BOINC Projects email list. Some project admins do walk these forums, but you'll be old and grey by the time they do.

The list requires registration. But when you then post to it, it'll drop into the email inbox of many co-project-admins, most of whom are willing to help out a buddy-admin.
8038) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to down load lastest 64bit bonic. (Message 45160)
Posted 6 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where do you download BOINC (not BONIC) from, and for which platform?
I have just downloaded boinc_7.0.28_windows_x86_64.exe for Windows (64bit) from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php and it shows as the normal 8,769KB

Have you tried saving it to another directory?
Are you trying to run it while downloading? As it's better to download and save the file first, then run the installer.
8039) Message boards : Questions and problems : Getting data from boinc into external database (Message 45158)
Posted 6 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll have to ask the people of Radioactive@home if they want to share their data with you. Since the BOINC science database is just a normal database as any other database, the information within it should be easily accessible, if you have the permission to do so. This isn't a BOINC problem.
8040) Message boards : Questions and problems : getting "must be administrator" message in BOINC 7.0.31 after upgrading to Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (Message 45154)
Posted 5 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer asks that you run the uninstaller first (can be found in the Extras folder) and then run the 7.0.31 installer again. If that doesn't fix it, please report.
8041) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mountain Lion (Message 45153)
Posted 5 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you do not have 7.0.31, then get that one. Any older version will have problems with its installer on Mountain Lion.
8042) Message boards : Questions and problems : Example application testing (Message 45151)
Posted 5 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yup, it was a corruption in the sched_send.cpp code. That is now fixed.
You should be able to fix it by running the newest source code from trunk\boinc\
8043) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on ARM devices (round 2) (Message 45142)
Posted 4 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I doubt any project has (default) applications for it. You may end up having to compile your own applications, or look at 3rd party applications. And then just hope they can run any tasks, as the CPU isn't that strong.
8044) Message boards : Questions and problems : Example application testing (Message 45141)
Posted 4 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like a corruption in the code. You did use the Debian-6 BOINC server image from here to set up the server?
8045) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 45135)
Posted 2 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.33 available for testing for Linux, Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.31 --> 7.0.32:

  • more code cleanup.
  • Unix build: fix problem with Debian automated builds; from Steffen M.
  • Mac: fix build break.
  • Mac client: Update Xcode project for compatibility with Xcode 4.3.2 and Xcode 4.5
  • Client (Win): in file_size(), use _stat64() instead of stat(). Otherwise it doesn't work for files >= 2GB
  • Client: TIME_STATS::trim_stats_log() wasn't working because it's called in the constructor of TIME_STATS, which is called before we've done a chdir() to the data dir.
    Note: for this reason, no disk access should be done in constructors of global objects. A quick scan found no instances of this.

  • Mac: update script which builds our installer to work with Xcode 4.3 for Lion and later.
  • client: remove "device" entry from CUDA_DEVICE_PROP, and change types of mem-size fields from int to double. These fields are size_t in NVIDIA's version of this; however, cuDeviceGetAttribute() returns them as int, so I don't see where this makes any difference.
  • client: fix bug in handling of <no_rsc_apps> element.
  • Mac: update build scripts to work with Xcode 4.3 for Lion and later.
  • Mac: update build scripts, source files and Xcode project to allow building with Xcode 4.3 and Xcode 4.5
  • client: small code cleanup, no functional change.
  • Mac: update sample code to allow building with Xcode 4.3 and to eliminate compiler warnings.
  • Mac: update sample code to allow building with Xcode 4.4 GM seed under OS 10.8 GM seed.
  • lib: treat MINGW32 like CYGWIN32 (in 1 place - should do everywhere?) from Oliver.
  • client: delete sticky files when reset project.
  • client: if we get a job for which a GPU is missing, keep the RESULT record so that we can report it to the scheduler. Otherwise we'll keep getting the same job if the project has <resend_lost_results> set.
  • lib: Adjust #include files as requested by Oliver Bock.
  • client: Re-introduce the WM_QUERYSESSIONEND window message handler to the power management window proc, it was removed during one of the Win9x code scrubs. When we see it, inform the client it is time to shutdown.
  • lib: fix typo.
  • client: don't request work for backup project for a processor type unless there are idle instances of that type.
  • client: improve "new version available" notice.
  • Mac: update script which builds our installer to work with Xcode 4.3 for Lion and later.
  • Mac: update build scripts to work with Xcode 4.3 for Lion and later.
  • Mac client: build libssl.a and libcrypto.a from openssl 1.0.1c and static link them.
  • Mac: update build scripts, source files and Xcode project to allow building with Xcode 4.3, Xcode 4.4GM and Xcode 4.5
  • Mac: update sample code to allow building with Xcode 4.4 GM seed under OS 10.8 GM seed.
  • lib: Adjust #include files as requested by Oliver Bock.
  • Mac: fix a typo in build script.
  • Mac: create build scripts for FreeType and FTGL.
  • Mac: create build scripts for FreeType-2.4.10 and FTGL-2.1.3-rc5 libraries.
  • Mac: Eliminate extra output from wxMac build script.
  • client: keep track of the fraction of time that
                1) a network connection is available and
                2) network communication is allowed and
                3) CPU computation is allowed
    

  • If an app version is marked as needs_network, use the above fraction in estimating its rate of progress.
  • Replace "core client" with "client" in comments.
  • client: when estimating FLOPS for an anonymous-platform app version for which no estimate has been supplied by user, use (CPU speed)*(cpu_usage + 10*gpu_usage) (--> add the 10*)
  • Compile fixes for Fedora core 17. From Christian B. Fixes [trac]#1194[/trac].
  • Fix various #include issues.

    CODING STYLE LAW (minimal inclusion principle):
            If foo.cpp requires <blah.h>,
            #include <blah.h> in foo.cpp, NOT foo.h
    

  • MGR: Use the same fix for the simple gui that we used on the advanced gui with regards to the menu on Ubuntu's interface.



Preliminary Change Log 7.0.32 --> 7.0.33


  • Fix build breaks for server components.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.33_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.33_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.33_i686-apple-darwin.zip


Windows
- boinc_7.0.33_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.33_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux
- boinc_7.0.33_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.33_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

8046) Message boards : Questions and problems : Good Projects for Older CPU's (Message 45134)
Posted 1 Aug 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
How about running the Proth Prime Search (LLR) and Sophie Germain Prime Search (LLR) tasks at Primegrid?

At Rosetta@Home you can set the target CPU run time in your preferences and then get tasks that take approx. that long.
8047) Message boards : The Lounge : Firefox Aurora's new feature: 3D view (large images inside) (Message 45130)
Posted 31 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, so it's in 'normal' Firefox as well. Whenever you're on any web-page, right click on it, choose "Inspect Element (Q)", then when that's bar has started up, click 3D View. Presto, the web-page you view is then showing in 3D. Check HTML to see it unhampered.
8048) Message boards : The Lounge : Firefox Aurora's new feature: 3D view (large images inside) (Message 45126)
Posted 31 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Firefox Aurora --the beta version of Firefox-- has a neat new feature to play with. When checking pages their HTML and CSS content, you can choose to see the pages in 3D. This gives things like this:


Any idea what I made the screen shot of? ;-)


A thread at the Seti forums, all 57 posts.

But we can do better at that:

This is Fred's "Automatic Temperature regulation" thread.

What to think of the BOINC web site in 3D?


Or the BOINC forums index?


And for the developers, this is what revision 25926 looks like from here. ;-)
8049) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running with SuSE 11.4 (Message 45123)
Posted 31 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, in that case you can only run a lower version of BOINC, until Suse is updated. The Glibc versions that are required are 2.14 and 2.15. Of course, you could try to build BOINC from source code with your local libraries.

By the way, I did not link to any articles. It's my signature that I post with. When I give you links to follow, I'll put them in the main text.
8050) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tons of questions (Message 45122)
Posted 31 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
He's running Linux, Fred. Do you have a Linux version already?
8051) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running with SuSE 11.4 (Message 45115)
Posted 30 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to update your libraries first. That libc.so.6 is called that way does not mean it's the latest version which holds all info about the newer Glibc updates.
8052) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc manager suspended computer in use but really isn't in use (Message 45110)
Posted 30 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
A fix for the idle detection under Linux was added to 7.0.29, so if you can update to that or to 7.0.31; if you cannot, then you can only wait.
8053) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.28 (x86) Screen Saver Problem (Message 45109)
Posted 30 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Repeatable with Windows 7, so forwarded to development. Albeit, I suspect this is a Windows bug. It's their preview function that doesn't work correctly.
8054) Message boards : Questions and problems : Processor does not report SSE3 (Message 45103)
Posted 29 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And added to that, LHC has PNI and SSE3 apps, for both Intel and AMD processors, so it'll eventually get them. For more information, as ever, see their project forums, more specifically this thread.
8055) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bunch 'o Noob questions (Message 45090)
Posted 27 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, that gives a ball-park. Under 6 hour tasks can be found on just about every project out there, but for CPDN and some of the render projects. That said, you'll still have to try them, really. There's no real guarantee that an estimated 6 hour task will take 6 hours on a 1.6GHz CPU. They can take longer, they can take shorter. depends on the project and the application (optimization, geared towards using MMX/SSE/SSE2/SSE3 etc. or not).
8056) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bunch 'o Noob questions (Message 45088)
Posted 27 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are there any other 'small task size' projects? Under 6 hours would be good.

That highly depends on the processor, really. Or the GPU, if there is one.
Mind giving out that information? Then it's easier to advise on which project(s) to run.
8057) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tons of questions (Message 45087)
Posted 27 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager is just a GUI, an easy means to control BOINC, the client. You don't need it. You can just as well run the BOINC binary and use its command line options, plus the BoincCMD tool for further control from the command line.
8058) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bunch 'o Noob questions (Message 45084)
Posted 27 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
- What active projects have numerous 'short' tasks, so it is less likely that a deletion will cause the loss of a lot of work?

I think you're looking at it from the wrong side here. As when you have short tasks, your cache is normally bigger than when you have longer lasting tasks.

But in essence, one project that has has small tasks is Primegrid.

- Can a single task use more than one core to complete faster (so, fewer half-done abandoned tasks)?

Only if the project has multi-threading applications, such as Milkyway does. Otherwise it's one task per CPU core.

- What happens to a queued task on a system that goes offline permanently? Does Boinc detect that they have been abandoned and re-assign them after a certain period?

The tasks will pass their deadline and time out, then they'll be resent to other computers.

- Can I configure Boinc to report immediately on completion of a task to minimize the odds of its loss due to a cloud server deletion?

Depends on BOINC version. If you use BOINC 5 or 6, you can use the <report_results_immediately> option in a cc_config.xml file. Under BOINC 7.0 this has been changed, the RRI may be ignored and instead the normal rules for reporting will be used.

- Is there a way to minimize the size of the pending task queue or eliminate it?

The best way to run on a computer that gets deleted a lot is to run a minimal cache (0 days minimum + 0 days maximum buffer). Then any work done gets reported immediately already.

- Is this kind of use appropriate for Boinc, or does it really just screw things up?

It's possible to use BOINC this way. However, you may be getting angry PMs from people who think you lose work a lot. Some people think this stuff is really important and anyone doing it different than they do must be challenged or flogged. ;-)
8059) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.28 Computation Errors and not Connecting (Message 45081)
Posted 26 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
the file in question is not in the directory so cannot remove, tried that.

You were in the active BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\ directory? I ask as with Linux versions it differs where the data directory is when you go from e.g. a Berkeley installer to a repository installer. It's very well possible you have two data directories and are checking the wrong one. Or that your BOINC is using 'the wrong one'.

I have totally removed BOINC 7.0.28 and reloaded a fresh copy with the same result.

The thing is, as far as I know even in Linux, the data directory is separate from the BOINC programs. So you can remove BOINC all you want, but as long as the data directory with the science applications, with the tasks, with the anonymous platform file etc. is kept in place, it won't fix the message about the old version.

when trying to run the task bar gives the "Computation error" code.

In your Seti account on the web site->View tasks->Errors->when you click on the details of any such task showing computation error, it shows in more detail in the stderr.txt what the exact problem is. There's not just one computation error code, there's several tens of them.
8060) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.28 Computation Errors and not Connecting (Message 45078)
Posted 26 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Either post about it on the Seti@Home forums, or give more information. Such as your system, your OS, what you (want to) use the app_info.xml file for, etc.

If you don't want the message, fully exit BOINC first, then navigate to your BOINC Data\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\ directory, remove the app_info.xml file. Next restart BOINC and reset the Seti project. At the next scheduler contact BOINC will download the default applications and starts using those.

By the way, your question has, as far as I can see, nothing to do with the thread you posted in. Next time, please just post your question on its own in its own thread and while you're at it, don't be as secretive about everything. It's very difficult to help you when the first thing we have to do is pull all kinds of information out of you, info that you yourself could've easily given at the get-go.
8061) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA 5 on OS X 10.8 - only one GPU (Message 45074)
Posted 26 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It shouldn't have worked before without the <use_all_gpus> option. But you can probably check that in your stdoutdae.txt file, in the BOINC Data directory.
8062) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA 5 on OS X 10.8 - only one GPU (Message 45070)
Posted 26 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless you put your data directory elsewhere, or removed a cc_config.xml file, the previous BOINC should've used only the best rated GPU as well. Best rated has nothing to do with model number, but all with 1) compute capability; 2) CUDA version; 3) available memory and 4) speed.

How to overcome? Make a cc_config.xml file in your data directory.
In it place this:
<cc_config>
    <options>
        <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 

After saving this, exit & restart BOINC and hey presto, both GPUs will be used.

(although I now see something, that I forwarded to the developers... why is the best GPU here not being used?)
8063) Message boards : Projects : WuProp@home question. (Message 45065)
Posted 25 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When it says that it is non-CPU intensive, this means exactly that. It will run in the background using little CPU cycles, perhaps 1 every couple of hours. Really negligible. In any case less than your browser will take when it starts up and runs while you surf the net.
8064) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 45057)
Posted 25 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't work at Berkeley, so no, I don't have more information. Something went wrong with their mySQL, without which there's no database, thus no accounts or forums. Doesn't matter that much, it'll come back.

In the mean time, may I request once again that people post without their signature attached to this thread? When you answer, or edit, you can uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" option to lose the signature for just that post. No, I can't edit your posts to take them out either.
8065) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different OpenCL apps runs at the same time (Message 45056)
Posted 25 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
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This sounds more like one of the applications doesn't release from memory after its run and went rogue. So you'll have to check which one that does this and complain at their forums that their application should listen to boinc_exit() commands.
8066) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 45052)
Posted 25 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti Homepage, 25 Jul 2012 | 2:08:54 UTC wrote:
Database Issues
The BOINC mysql database is currently unresponsive. The project will be offline for the next 12 hours or so.
8067) Message boards : Questions and problems : Macintosh BOINC 7.0.31 Public Release for OS X Mountain Lion (10.8) (Message 45046)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.31 Public Release (Mac Only)

Charlie Fenton wrote:
Because Apple is expected to release OS 10.8 Mountain Lion within a few days, we have promoted BOINC 7.0.31 to be a public release for the Macintosh only. The main differences from 7.0.28 are changes to the Mac installer to work properly under OS 10.8.

There is no pressing need for users to update to BOINC 7.0.31 if they are already running BOINC 7.0.28, even if they upgrade to OS 10.8. However, if you are running OS 10.8 and are installing BOINC for the first time (or after running the "Uninstall BOINC" utility) you should install BOINC 7.0.31 as older versions of the BOINC installer may not work properly under OS 10.8 Mountain Lion.

Cheers,
--Charlie
8068) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 45045)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.31 Public Release (Mac Only)

Charlie Fenton wrote:
Because Apple is expected to release OS 10.8 Mountain Lion within a few days, we have promoted BOINC 7.0.31 to be a public release for the Macintosh only. The main differences from 7.0.28 are changes to the Mac installer to work properly under OS 10.8.

There is no pressing need for users to update to BOINC 7.0.31 if they are already running BOINC 7.0.28, even if they upgrade to OS 10.8. However, if you are running OS 10.8 and are installing BOINC for the first time (or after running the "Uninstall BOINC" utility) you should install BOINC 7.0.31 as older versions of the BOINC installer may not work properly under OS 10.8 Mountain Lion.

Cheers,
--Charlie
8069) Message boards : Questions and problems : No connection after upgrade (Message 45044)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hold on, what is the message that you get?
Is it "BOINC Manager cannot connect to a client" or similar?
First check in Windows Task Manager if boinc.exe is even running;
If it is, BOINC Manager cannot make contact with the BOINC program.

BOINC Manager is merely an interface that allows you to control BOINC easier. But to do so, it needs to be able to: a) run and b) contact the BOINC program.

Steps to follow:
You say you upgraded from 7.0.25 --which I assume was working-- to 7.0.28
Is it possible that you got the 32bit version of BOINC before and the 64bit version of it now, or vice versa?

Please check in both C:\Program Files\ and in C:\program Files (x86)\ if you have a BOINC directory there. Please check the name on the BOINC installer that you used. It needs _windows_intel_x86.exe for a 32bit version and _windows_x86_64.exe for the 64bit version.

Now, the BOINC installer checks in the registry where you installed BOINC the last time and it will install the new version to that same place. However, when you install a 64bit program to the C:\Program Files (x86)\ directory, Windows will refuse to run it from there, as as far as it goes, this is the (registered) 32bit ONLY Programs directory.
Similarly, when you install a 32bit program to the C:\Program Files\ directory, Windows may refuse to run this as this is the 64bit Programs directory.

So check first where BOINC was installed to, and if it's the 32 or 64bit version.

Next step:
If that ain't it, and all's fine there, then check that no program is blocking BOINC. It's possible that your firewall stops BOINC all of a sudden, or that you installed BOINC to a different directory and that it therefore is no longer in the exceptions list of your firewall. Do this check also with anti-virus and other (overzealous) anti-malware programs.
8070) Message boards : Questions and problems : Connecting to Localhost (Message 45042)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
All AV/Malware/Firewall software have exceptions in their lists that lead back to my Boinc installed files.. Both installed to different locations but not the defaults...

Was the Data directory moved after you exited BOINC and prior to the installation of a new one?

What I mean is, people do all weird kinds of things.
They'll move BOINC stuff around while BOINC is still running and then complain that what they moved gets deleted. Or they install BOINC, exit it, then move the whole data directory to elsewhere, then just restart BOINC. But it expects the data directory to be at the old place, so it'll just remake a new one, and then people will complain they 'lost all that work'. They didn't..

So, how did you move the directories to different locations, where are they now and are all the permissions on the directories in check? Or perhaps they are now, now that you installed BOINC 6 and it fixed the permissions.
8071) Message boards : GPUs : Separate Resource Shares for GPU? (Message 45040)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
From Separate resource share for GPU?

Me wrote:
Is it possible to have a separate resource share set up for GPU?

David wrote:
Yes, but not going to do it.

8072) Message boards : Questions and problems : Good Projects for Older CPU's (Message 45036)
Posted 23 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any of the present projects can run perfectly on that CPU. It's not that bad.
Those 3 day tasks you think of happen on a Pentium 2, running Seti. Your CPU should run circles around that.
8073) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver not working (Message 45035)
Posted 23 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you install the videocard drivers, or did Windows do so? In this case, try to install the drivers from your videocard's manufacturer first. Windows drivers lack necessary components, such as OpenGL, as this is a direct competitor to Microsoft's DirectX and therefore not available in drivers provided by Windows!

For the latest available drivers for the embedded graphics chip for your chipset, see this link. Best to download and save to disk the "Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator Driver for Windows 7*, Windows Vista* (exe)" and run that.

And if that does not fix your problems, we will need more information then.

1. Your BOINC version. You can find this information in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager.

2.Please state which projects you run, which project(s) you have the problem with.
8074) Message boards : Questions and problems : Connecting to Localhost (Message 45034)
Posted 23 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When BOINC is unable to connect to localhost, something is blocking it. Most probably your firewall, but otherwise your anti-virus or other anti-malware program(s).

Localhost is your computer.
It's a loop-back address at IP address 127.0.0.1 that BOINC uses to do communication between its parts. When you did not allow BOINC through your firewall, or did not tell Windows 7 to allow boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe to have access to your private network, then it will complain about that.

Boinc.exe itself needs internet access through TCP ports 80 and 443.
Boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe need to be able to talk to each other through TCP port 31416.

Make sure that those are allowed first. It may also stop the client from crashing.
8075) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver not working (Message 45025)
Posted 22 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your request does not fit the parameters of the program. Please rephrase your command.
8076) Message boards : GPUs : troubles after adding exra GPU (Message 45017)
Posted 21 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Operating system?
BOINC version?
What project is this on?
Is it possible that there are longer tasks now, or for the better GPUs?
What are your start-up messages?
In what kind of slot did you plug the GF580?
In what kind of slot(s) are the GF9600s?
"The latest Nvidia drivers" doesn't say much, so please state the driver version number. Have you also tried earlier (non-beta) drivers?
What kind of Power Supply Unit do you have (output/brand/model)?
Can it actually supply 3 GPUs enough electricity, when they're under load?
8077) Message boards : Questions and problems : Network problems = Unrecoverable error... (Message 45008)
Posted 21 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm going out on a limb here, but feel that they're coincidence. Perhaps related, but not in the way that you think they are.

Let me try to explain:

2012-07-21T15:45:06 BDT | Einstein@Home | Temporarily failed upload of b2030.20110423.G58.47+01.12.N.b1s0g0.00000_2168_1_3: transient HTTP error

This error happens due to your bad internet connection, e.g. it happens when during communication with the server the connection is dropped. So yup, your internet connection at play here.

2012-07-21T15:51:37 BDT | Asteroids@home | [sched_op] Reason: Unrecoverable error for task ps_120622b_632_42_2 (process got signal 11)

This one though, is a computation error, and has to do with either the application being not so stable, or trouble with your memory, your virtual memory (page file) or a bad batch of tasks (it happens).

2012-07-21T15:51:39 BDT | Einstein@Home | Task b2030.20110422.G42.42-01.58.S.b3s0g0.00000_80_1 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file
2012-07-21T15:51:39 BDT | Einstein@Home | If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.

This one happens when something outside of BOINC is interfering with the running of BOINC, like an anti-virus, anti-spyware or other anti-malware program actively scanning the BOINC Data directory.

That you see all three at the same time in your log can be due to extra stresses that BOINC brings along on a normal day. Running all kinds of calculations through BOINC stresses a computer out already, but when there are network problems, the computer will go into extra stress. With the network card these days being standard integrated in the motherboard, it's (part of) the CPU that will have to cater for the network connection. And when that CPU is busy doing intricate calculations...

I see that here as well on an otherwise stable system. Throw a slow network transfer in the bunch and my computer struggles. But then when I use a separate PCI 1000Mbit add-on card, the whole system flies, no matter what. And it ain't an old & slow one either. ;-)

So, first checks first:
1. Do you have an anti-virus or other anti-malware program scanning actively in the background?
1a. Is your BOINC Data directory excluded from being scanned?
2. What kind of system is it?
3. The network card, is it integrated into the motherboard, or a separate add-on card?
3a. If integrated, do you have the option to try an add-on card? (No, I didn't say you have to go out and buy one... :-))

Now, there is a problem with BOINC that I reported recently where when BOINC comes out of hibernation or sleep and the network card hasn't reinitialized yet, and BOINC has downloads waiting, that it will try to do those before there is an internet connection which results in corruption in the files. However, this is a difficult one to track and reproduce. (not all projects have download problems ;-))
8078) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.28 Computation Errors and not Connecting (Message 45006)
Posted 21 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with BOINC installed from Ubuntu Software Centre.

Yeah, but that's 7.0.24, not 7.0.28

See the whole of this thread at Seti (wait patiently, the forums are slow today). And also check this thread at Seti. Both will explain your problem (which is 7.0.24 to be honest).
8079) Message boards : Questions and problems : Nvidia Quadro 600 not working (Message 45002)
Posted 20 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tell Nvidia that their CUDA drivers don't seem to be working on Windows Server 2008 "R2" -64bit.
8080) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest BOINC 7.0.28 update ask for a newer version of GLIBC (Message 45000)
Posted 20 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I have merged two threads into one, as you both have the same-ish Linux distribution and the same problem.

I asked the developers about this,
Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
Which version of GLIBC is required is a byproduct of what version of Ubuntu we build the client on. Basically Ubuntu is setting the requirement and it changes whenever they decide to upgrade.
Since we were forced to upgrade to a later version of Ubuntu to handle the OpenSSL 1.x issue, we were force into using the newer GLIBC.

So the only option that you have is either to update to a Debian that has Glibc 2.14 and 2.15, or to downgrade to a version that did work.

I'm sorry, unless you manage to get an up-to-date version of your library file, I don't see any other option(s). That's the trouble with Linux, its many distros and its (slowness) (lack of) updates. At least for Windows they throw out the same update for just about all still supported platforms. Mac OS X the same. But Linux? It depends on the maintainers and whether they feel like updating.

One thing I am now trying to get out of this is a list of minimum requirements that your distro needs to be able to run the recommended version of BOINC. More stuff to keep up-to-date. ;-)
8081) Message boards : Questions and problems : [error] No scheduler URLs found in master file (Message 44997)
Posted 20 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
From master_cbl-boinc-server2.cs.technion.ac.il_superlinkattechnion.xml :
Unable to connect to database - please try again later Error: 2013Lost connection to MySQL server during query

I went to BOINCStats and clicked its link in the project list, this goes to the same error message. So sounds like the project is AWOL.
8082) Message boards : GPUs : Projects for HD5450 & HD 5670 (Message 44995)
Posted 20 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
lol, I forgot that one. :-)

For other users wanting the same:
- Primegrid@Home, has OpenCL and CUDA applications.
8083) Message boards : Questions and problems : [error] No scheduler URLs found in master file (Message 44992)
Posted 20 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds like a permissions problem.
What's actually in the master_*.xml files of the affected projects? Did you check? They're in your data directory.

How are you running BOINC?
As a service, or not?
When do you get these errors, running it as administrator or as another user?
Are all those users allowed to control BOINC?
Are all those users allowed to write to the BOINC Data directory?
8084) Message boards : Questions and problems : Nvidia Quadro 600 not working (Message 44965)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's either something wrong with the drivers (this isn't a domain controller, is it? Seeing how you run Windows Server 2008 "R2": Enterprise x64 Edition), or you've misidentified your videocard.

Simply said, all BOINC does is check at startup for some library files in the Windows\system32 directory and read their contents for which GPU you have. When it can't find these files, it'll state that it cannot find any usable GPUs.
8085) Message boards : Questions and problems : Nvidia Quadro 600 not working (Message 44963)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When BOINC (not Bonic) cannot detect the GPU, and BOINC is not installed as a service (which it isn't) then it's in the drivers. What are 'the latest Nvidia drivers' and where did you install them from? If not from Nvidia themselves, then get them there.

Drivers installed by Windows lack components as OpenGL, OpenCL and CAL/CUDA, since these are all components that directly compete with Microsoft's own versions of these.
8086) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU tasks cause MT tasks to sit idle (Message 44957)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, it's normal. With any MT application, it'll wait until all CPU cores are available. As long as part of any core is in use with another application, the MT app won't start.

The solution might be to set 'On multiprocessors, use one core less than your maximum, so it can cater for the GPU AND run in the MT app. Not sure if that would work, but you can try.

Of course, if you feel that the working is wrong, post to the alpha or development email list. That's the quickest way to the developers.
8087) Message boards : GPUs : Projects for HD5450 & HD 5670 (Message 44953)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
- Einstein, OpenCL application (requires BOINC 7.0.28 + up-to-date Catalysts).
- Albert, Einstein's OpenCL test project.
- Seti@Home, through 3rd party Lunatics application one can run Seti Enhanced and Astropulse on ATI GPUs, but your CPU requires at least SSE. See http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=67407 for more information. Do know that by using the anonymous platform, you're responsible for updating the applications. BOINC won't do it automatically anymore.
- Seti@Home Beta, testing default OpenCL applications.
- Collatz Conjecture.
- POEM.
- Possibly Moo wrapper, but check their forums for information.

Milkyway requires a double precision GPU. Not all GPUs are.
8088) Message boards : Questions and problems : How Do I Change My Registered Email Address? (Message 44950)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project(s) that you're attached to->Your Account->email address, fill in the new email address plus the password for that project and click "Change email address".

e.g. http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/edit_email_form.php

This does need to be done at all the projects you have an account at. It's the projects that need the email address for the unique identifier.
8089) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc port access for QoS (Message 44943)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
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For internet, BOINC uses by default ports TCP80 and TCP443.
To communicate between its parts, BOINC uses TCP31416 on the localhost machine only (address 127.0.0.1).

Since you don't have to set in a router which ports BOINC uses for localhost operations, the only ones you would set it for communications. But is default 80 and 443 really a nono? The only way around those values is the use of a proxy.

8090) Message boards : Web interfaces : Malfunctioning HTTP links in forums (Message 44933)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Weird thing is, that nothing changed between me sending it to the list and you answering later. So it's almost as if it was a bad caching in your browser.
See if it changes again...
8091) Message boards : Web interfaces : Malfunctioning HTTP links in forums (Message 44928)
Posted 17 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the development email list.
8092) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest BOINC 7.0.28 update ask for a newer version of GLIBC (Message 44922)
Posted 16 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which Linux?

When you get this error, it means that the version of the library that BOINC was built with is a higher one than the one your Linux (at this time) has.

You can try to update your library file to a newer one --but watch out here as the library file is pretty important (the libc library is one of the most important library in the system, it defines the 'system calls' and basic facilities, such as open, malloc, printf, exit)-- or you can try to build BOINC from source, so it fits your library versions.
8093) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver not working (Message 44918)
Posted 15 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me shakes crystal ball of confusion... nah, that didn't enlighten me.

So why don't you pass by on When requesting help on these forums... and see what we need for information?
8094) Message boards : Questions and problems : CANNOT INSTALL BOINC MANAGER (Message 44908)
Posted 15 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the solutions in this FAQ.
8095) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC causes random freezing of OS (Message 44899)
Posted 15 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I also tried climateprediction.net, but it only gives out whopping giant WU's of 600+ hours long. Too much. They need to break these down, but get quite snooty at the suggestion.

Hmmm, you think you're the first person to suggest that in CPDN's 8 years running under BOINC? As you aren't. And they do already have shorter models.

However, you cannot compare the running of a CPDN model to running a task of any other project. It's a climate prediction model that you are running. That can't be done in just an hour. The big program they have is over a million lines of code. Put things into perspective.

And even then, the initial time is an estimate. Your i7 will do approx. 8 days over a HADAM3P, not the 25 it initially says. Most probably even a lot less if you run only one of them. It has a deadline of about a year, so there shouldn't be a real problem here. If that's still too long for you, then just go do any other project that suits your needs.
8096) Message boards : Questions and problems : Got new work after last WU is over 80% finished (Message 44891)
Posted 14 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So please, is there any option, to disable downloading new WU until old is 100% finished?

Yes, and it is the fetch minimal work option.
This will fetch only 1 job per device (CPU, GPU).

If you don't get it to work, what --if any-- are the messages?
Does BOINC show after editing and re-reading of the config file that the <fetch_minimal_work> option is used? If not, check and recheck the extension and the place of the cc_config.xml file.

Look, you're making it quite difficult to get help by not offering one iota of information about what you see or don't see. Just stating that it doesn't work is insufficient information to get help on. Give a screen shot, show your messages, things like that. How much work does your computer still have in cache?

Unless you yourself give information, there's extremely little that any helper here can do to try to give help. And while I said earlier that I'll continue to try, even my attention span is waning fast, as I am getting fed up with having to pull information out of you.
8097) Message boards : Questions and problems : Got new work after last WU is over 80% finished (Message 44887)
Posted 14 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, with the setting that Richard showed you.

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<fetch_minimal_work>1</fetch_minimal_work>
</options>
</cc_config>


Make cc_config.xml with Notepad, save it as an All Files, format ANSI, in your BOINC Data directory. Make doubly sure it got the .xml extension, not an added .txt extension.
Next open BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file.

That will do it. Mind that it needs to run any remaining cache down first.
This option requires BOINC 6.12 or higher.

Oh, and next time you expect some help around here, make your intentions clear in the first post. There is absolutely no need to tell others off in the obnoxious way as you did. It'll only stop you from getting further help. I doubt that Claggy will ever take a second look at any of your posts, while others who enter this thread, or have been following it, will ever want to take you on again. Not with the way you think you can interact with people.

Now, as for knowing how BOINC works. Yep, I know how BOINC works.
Knowing as to how PG does its things, I must say I did not know that only the prime finder gets the credit as the prime finder, that the second person only gets named as verifier (although she/he will be named with computer system in the PDF as well). But luckily it doesn't say in my job-description that I must know everything about how all BOINC project do their things.

BOINC is more than just Primegrid. Not all projects follow the (strict) way that Primegrid seems to do about its discoveries.

So, now that credits are no longer making the man, but being first at being named the prime finder is, what's the next thing that people will need to fight about over BOINC?
8098) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia GeForce 690 (Message 44884)
Posted 14 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You also need to consider the size of the card you want to make sure it will fit.

Good extra advice. Also make sure your PSU (power supply unit) can take the (extra) strain. If your computer is still under warranty, ask the people who built it if you can open it!
8099) Message boards : Questions and problems : Got new work after last WU is over 80% finished (Message 44883)
Posted 14 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes... you know? The BOINC developers don't make just about anyone moderator on their forums, they want people who know a thing or two about how their software does its things. And where you explain things one last time, I don't mind explaining you again and again until you understand how BOINC does its things, such as how it validates work. Preferably before you continually dictate that others are wrong, when it's you yourself who is (making a fuss over nothing and an arse of himself).

So noone speak about deadline....

I did, all this time.

As when you do not go over the deadline of the task, in the case of SGS there won't be a third, who can theoretically take the credit away from you. Other than that, and as Claggy already said, it does not matter who comes first when returning the work, you or the SGS wingman.

In the case of PPS there won't be a wingman, as a minimum quorum and initial reproduction of 1 means that you're the only computer running it. Unless, of course, you go over the deadline of the task and a second is sent out. And then it depends on the cache settings of the other computer how long it takes before that one is returned...

In SGS' case the validator will wait for a second result before credit is given out, whether that second result comes from you, or --after the 3 day deadline has passed-- from a third wingman.
In PPS' case the validator will wait until you have returned the task, unless it's gone over the deadline, then it's sent to another computer, but even then you still have time to finish it before the other does.

BOINC can even cache a lot of tasks for both of these projects, it doesn't need to cache them one by one. So there's plenty of computers there which run with a 3 day cache, so it takes time for any of them to get this -over the deadline- task and eventually run it. More time than the first time second, more time than the now purported minute. More time even than the full run-time of the task.
8100) Message boards : Questions and problems : Got new work after last WU is over 80% finished (Message 44876)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What catch? Unless your cache is so darn big that your computer is unable to run all tasks by the deadline, there is no 3rd wingman.

PPS has a deadline of 3 days. You want to tell me that your computer cannot run two tasks that run in 4m30s a piece on your computer in 3 days? No, not if you have a minimum work buffer of 0 and a maximum of 7 days. But according to your own post, you've got your buffers set to zero. Which means that you should get at least one task per CPU core. Unless, of course you only just set the buffers to zero, but had zero and seven before that. No way we can check, since you have your computer(s) hidden.

I see that PPS has a initial replication of 1, and a minimum quorum of 1. So unless you manage to miss the 3 day deadline on either of these two tasks that run for 4 minutes and 30 seconds, then the task is sent out to a second computer, which may indeed get the task uploaded and reported before you do.

But then that means your computer is doing something completely different than run PPS, and then there's not much BOINC can do about that.

As for the client_configuration option to work, you need to load it into BOINC.
Do so by either exiting & restarting BOINC (the safest way), or BOINC manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file. (Needs a BOINC 6.12 at minimum to work)
8101) Message boards : Questions and problems : Got new work after last WU is over 80% finished (Message 44871)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You are wrong: on PPS and SGS prime hunting WU-s are finished in few minutes,so your reason goes off.

You were stating that you're one second late, which means the server still has to state that the task is end-of-deadline and it has to be sent out again. That doesn't happen instantaneously, it can take a while. But let's say it takes a minute. In all this time you have the chance to report your task, so you're still number one or the second one to report the work.

Only at end-of-deadline will this be a problem. As with 2 tasks sent out to two computers and them needing to wait for each other to be able to validate the task, it'll wait until you sent in yours anyway. Until, that is, you're outside the deadline.

And even if it's a minute late, I doubt that there are computers that run any of the Primegrid tasks in under a minute. Not on CPU only at least.

So we're always talking several minutes late. And well, if the project has a GPU app for the same tasks, either it has to put GPUs against GPUs or you'll have to update and get a super-fast GPU.

or if the project runs with too short deadlines, complain that they should increase them. I doubt that there's any worldly need in finding the biggest prime now or next week.

Or use Richard's options. Do know that the first will affect all projects you run. The second will not just get one task, but get one task for as many CPU cores that you have.
8102) Message boards : Questions and problems : Got new work after last WU is over 80% finished (Message 44868)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps set minimum and maximum additional buffer to 0.0
Or set the network to suspend after it downloaded one task.

However, even with a fast computer it takes quite a while to finish the large prime numbers, so the second that you're 'too late' doesn't matter, as even with a second late you can upload & report yours before any resend can have finished the same task.

Of course, if your computer is super slow, then all bets are off. ;-)
8103) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 44865)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mersenne@Home projects?

That one got shut down.
8104) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia GeForce 690 (Message 44862)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the time or just after your new GPU is in, there'll of course be another better GPU available. That always happens that way. :-(

But we're not here to dictate what you should or shouldn't buy, that's all dependent on your financial situation and what you feel is best for your system. ;-)

By the way, Dutchman teaching an American English: it's "to upgrade to". Too is another word for "as well", not an overstepping bound for "to". :)
8105) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC causes random freezing of OS (Message 44844)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no hardware issue with my system.

Actually, playing games doesn't stress your system as much as many projects running under BOINC can do. You only changed your videocard, but forgot the motherboard. A small micro-crack anywhere can have the effect you talk about. But I'll be honest, that is one of the most difficult problems to bring to light.

There's also this little thing called heat. Can also wreck a good system. Try running with Core Temp, perhaps that one or more of your cores overheat after so many hours.
8106) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 44834)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Additionally, would anyone happen to know the status of either Enigma@Home or Mersenne@Home projects? Both are up but no work for some time. Just wondering.

Enigma still has the same problem: http://www.enigmaathome.net/forum_thread.php?id=289. I'll see if I can get a hold of TJM for an update.
8107) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Crash (Message 44824)
Posted 10 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, with that done... see if there's anything about your crash in stderrgui.txt or in stderrdae.txt (both are in the data directory). Or in Windows Event Viewer.

And when does it do this?
Anytime?
Only when BOINC is using your GPU(s)?
How many projects are you attached to, which ones are selected when it crashes?
Does it crash for a specific selected project?
Or does it not crash when you deselect (that) (certain) project(s)?
What happens when you suspend BOINC and then select the option?
Was it only in 7.0.28, or did it also do it in 7.0.25, 7.0.26?
Does it also do it with 7.0.31, presently being tested?

etc.
8108) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Crash (Message 44823)
Posted 10 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not for me...


8109) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44803)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Linux and Windows are like apples and oranges.

Then why does everyone want a Windows style GUI, and run all those Windows apps in WINE when they're running Linux? Gotta wonder. :P

Lots of 'usually' in your story. As if it's not the case for your Slackware, or you're not certain.

In any case, for BOINC to be able to use the GPU, it needs to be able to detect the drivers. And while in Windows Remote Desktop it fails to do so because of proprietary drivers, it'll be in Linux because X didn't load. Same thing. Same lack of (vendor) drivers.
8110) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44799)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
With Windows computers there's a problem when you use the built-in remote desktop, that it will use built-in (non-upgradable) drivers, which lack things as OpenGL, OpenCL and CUDA/CAL support for ease of use. As soon as you remote call into such a computer running BOINC, it'll lose the ability to use the CUDA/CAL/OpenCL function, since that's not in the driver. BOINC will only lose that for as long as you're logged in, as soon as you log off, it'll use the GPU again.

Perhaps something like this is happening with Linux as well?

For Windows the work-around is to use something like VNC, which uses the actual driver that's loaded, instead of its own driver.
8111) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Hard time upgrading (Message 44797)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps on your own system that any links should go to that AV. In the mean time, use http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php (and always use that).
8112) Message boards : BOINC client : compiling for Fedora 16 - issues (Message 44784)
Posted 7 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Start at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient
8113) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44780)
Posted 6 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure even they need the dot or the slash.
According to ln command, it's just ln [-f] [-n] [-s] existingfile newname
-f Link files without questioning the user, even if the mode of target forbids writing. This is the default if the standard input is not a terminal.
-n Does not overwrite existing files.
-s Makes it so that it does not create a symbolic link (not on System V.)
existingfile Specifies file(s) that you want to create a link to.
newname The new name of the file.
directory The directory were you want the new link.


So that would make it
ln -s /usr/lib64/libaticalrt.so libaticalrt.so
ln -s /usr/lib/libOpenCL.so libOpenCL.so


Or better yet:
ln -sf /usr/lib64/libaticalrt.so libaticalrt.so
ln -sf /usr/lib/libOpenCL.so libOpenCL.so


Or possibly even better yet:
ln -sf /usr/lib64/libaticalrt.so /opt/BOINC/libaticalrt.so
ln -sf /usr/lib/libOpenCL.so /opt/BOINC/libOpenCL.so
8114) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44774)
Posted 6 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shouldn't Number of Devices be "2"?

Not necessarily. I suppose they mean only one GPU is detected, and as far as I know the 6950 only has one GPU.

No, the weird thing is the number of compute units or SIMDs. These are used with OpenCL calculations. 2 isn't much for a 69xx card. Heck, my 6850 has 12 of them already.

Of course, if this is for the CPU, then it's correct. Only 2 cores, so only 2 compute units.
8115) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44769)
Posted 6 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then I don't know. Best email the BOINC Alpha email list. As when you have to wait here for a BOINC Linux guru with knowledge of Slackware and AMD detection to come by, I think your beard will be silver grey by the time anyone has done so.

Or of course, you can always post at any of the project forums that you want to go use this beast on. Perhaps that someone there knows.

Sorry I can't be of better help.
8116) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44767)
Posted 6 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes you do, but not in a directory that BOINC can read. Your BOINC is installed to /opt/, while your drivers are sand-boxed away in usr/lib/, a place that BOINC cannot reach.

So either you have to install BOINC using the Berkeley installer, which will install it to the user account directories. Or you have to make a symbolic link to the libraries from the directory that BOINC is installed to.

E.g.
ln -s /usr/lib64/libaticalrt.so .libaticalrt.so
ln -s /usr/lib/libOpenCL.so .libOpenCL.so


But I am not a Linux guru, so the above I looked up through a search engine. You may want to check that as well.
8117) Message boards : GPUs : 2 GPU 1 doing work (Message 44764)
Posted 6 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, maybe the question of GPU 0 or GPU 1 is moot?

No, as BOINC will detect all GPUs independently. So you can define to use them independently.

So in your case:
Actual 1st GPU in your system == GPU device 0.
Actual 2nd GPU in your system == GPU device 1.

If instead of GPU device 0 you want to use GPU device 1, then you change the line in cc_config.xml from <ignore_cuda_dev>1</ignore_cuda_dev> to <ignore_cuda_dev>0</ignore_cuda_dev> and restart BOINC. That will ignore GPU device 0 and allow you to use only GPU device 1.
8118) Message boards : Questions and problems : tried to update Boinc 64 (Message 44760)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, maybe that it makes sense for you, since you wrote it, but for me... nah.
So please pass by on When requesting help on these forums... and then try again.
8119) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.28 + XP x86 (Message 44758)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOl, attaboy. :-)
8120) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.28 + XP x86 (Message 44756)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume that since you advice is to downgrade that you have no idea what causes this crash? Odd, isn't it.

Well, I pointed out how to downgrade, as you assumed it would be a difficult thing, when it isn't.

There's also nothing in this world that dictates that you should run the latest BOINC, or run BOINC with its own BOINC Manager, or run BOINC Manager at all. BOINC --the client-- can run perfectly fine on its own, after which you give commands to it through command line, with the boinccmd tool. Or you use Fred's BOINCTasks as an alternative BOINC Manager.

No, I don't know what causes the crash without seeing an error message.
Please check stderrgui.txt and Windows Event Viewer as well. Perhaps that there's a clue there, an error message, some inkling.
8121) Message boards : GPUs : 2 GPU 1 doing work (Message 44753)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was just trying to solve this thing where the monitor would go dark for about ten seconds and then recover and Windows would tell me that there had been a problem in the display module kernel with nvidia.

That sounds like a problem with your drivers. Was it on the videocard that the monitor is attached to, or don't you know? Or are your cards connected in SLI mode? Which driver version?
8122) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 occasional Windows Explorer Crash (Message 44752)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Blue screens of Death show STOP errors, not status codes.
If your computer shows STOP Error 0x000001, you may want to check out http://support.microsoft.com/kb/935936.

Else, please check Windows Event Viewer (Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer) for the correct error message. Or write it down next time you see it.
8123) Message boards : Questions and problems : Redeeming Credit? (Message 44751)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best leave it without any value whatsoever, as as soon as it has some form of value, people will scream that their machine isn't getting enough of it on project A, or too much on project B.

That happens already, but in lesser form than it would probably do if there was an actual value put to the credits. Or at least, a value with which one could use them to buy stuff.

Nothing said about the the implementation, as you'd need some form of BOINC Bank.
8124) Message boards : GPUs : 2 GPU 1 doing work (Message 44746)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You never said what the problem was that you were debugging, and I didn't ask. If you don't want to tell in a post, why should I pry? ;-)

That there's little configuration options for the GPU isn't something to yell to the developers about. There's just no config options in any of the manufacturer's APIs. Although some projects use hacks, such as Einstein, where you can state how many tasks you want to run on any given GPU.

While you can configure the CPU to use 3 cores, you can't do so on the GPU. It will use all cores, or none. So even if you run two tasks at the same time on that GPU, it'll switch between the two tasks to run their data. It won't split half of the GPU cores to work on one task, and the other half on the other task. It'll just be all cores running part of task 1, then all cores running part of task 2, etc.
8125) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.28 + XP x86 (Message 44745)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I understand there is no way to easily downgrade, or I would (if that would even solve this)

All you do is set No new tasks, run your cache down to empty, next exit BOINC completely, then uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs. Now before you reinstall 6.12.x, navigate to your BOINC Data directory and remove both client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml, then reinstall 6.12 and let it start.

Is all.
default place for the data directory under Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ .. this directory may be hidden, so either put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer, or instruct Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.

BOINC crashes are caught in stderrdae.txt in the data directory. Please, do not post the complete contents of that file here. That's overkill.
And else there'll be information in the Windows Event Viewer.
8126) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exit status -185 (Message 44742)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thoughts to pinpoint the issue? Is this a BOINC issue or driver issue?

Neither, as far as I can see, since Rosetta doesn't use your AMD GPU.
Both error -108 and -185 point toward the (science) application having some form of a problem.

Permissions (on the data directory) not in order?
Are you running BOINC with the same account you installed it with, or do these errors happen when someone else is logged onto that computer?
Have you asked at the project forums what this could be?
8127) Message boards : Questions and problems : Applications left in memory when project is suspended (Message 44741)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally local preferences are used immediately after saving them through the GUI. However, if you hand-edit the global_prefs_override.xml file and only restart BOINC later, the new prefs will also only be used later.

There is one thing though: As long as an application hasn't made a checkpoint yet, it will stay in memory, unless you exit BOINC completely. There are still applications out there that don't checkpoint, at all. So they'll run start to finish, with all pauses in between, with apps staying in memory.
8128) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't get get Boinc to use hyperthreading on Debian (Message 44738)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
04-Jul-2012 16:31:28 [---] Reading preferences override file
..
04-Jul-2012 16:31:28 [---] max CPUs used: 2

You're using the local preferences, which apparently state that BOINC should only use 2 CPUs, or 50% of the multiprocessors.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Local_preferences#Processor_usage
"On multiprocessor systems, use at most X % of the processors:" is probably set to 50% here.
8129) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weird occurance in BOINC on this machine (Message 44732)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, there is this:
<suspend_if_no_recent_input>3</suspend_if_no_recent_input>

And there's no override on this in the global_prefs_override file, so this means that 3 minutes after you leave the keyboard, BOINC will suspend doing work. Since there's no recent input, no mouse movements, no keyboard taps.

How to solve?
Go to any project's computing preferences, such as http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global, edit them, change Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last 3 minutes to 0 minutes, save the preferences to the web site. Next Update BOINC on the Seti Project, so it can get these preferences in.

If you do want to use the Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last X minutes option, then add a reasonable amount of minutes. It's normally only used on laptops and notebooks that run on battery power, you don't really need it on a desktop computer, unless you want to run green and suspend work eventually after you leave the keyboard.

However, in that case you may better use "Suspend work while computer is in use?" with a timer on "'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last x minutes". Or turn your computer off (or set it to hibernate) when you leave it.
8130) Message boards : GPUs : 2 GPU 1 doing work (Message 44727)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I add the <log_flags/> lines for completion of the cc_config.xml file. If you use them, they go above the <options/>section.

They aren't required for use.
8131) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 - Boinc 7.0.28 - computation errors (Message 44726)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
For errors, post your problem on the project's forums. It's their application that you're running, so it's their errors. BOINC doesn't do anything but manage the applications and work queue, it has no active crunching role, so any work related errors you come across are caused by the project's science application(s), so you have to ask that project about them.

Yes, BOINC can also throw errors, but these normally show when the whole shebang crashes... and unless you have a crashing BOINC.... ;-)
8132) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weird occurance in BOINC on this machine (Message 44725)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
30C at 60% CPU Usage? Sounds more like your system is idle at that time.
Unless you've got super ice-water cooling and are living in Winter Wonderland at this time...

But else, check if you didn't inadvertently set "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last X Minutes " someplace. As it really sounds like your system is idle, until you move the mouse after which BOINC starts up...
8133) Message boards : Questions and problems : cc_config.xml file (Message 44722)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
For the next person wondering and finding this thread, the cc_config.xml file --if made-- will be in the data directory, which shows its path in the event log (start-up messages). This directory will be hidden on most Windows versions. Either make sure Windows shows hidden files and folders, or fill in the path directly into Windows Explorer and press Enter.

When you have just installed BOINC, there will be no cc_config.xml file. BOINC will only make it when you add something to the Exclusive Applications option in Tools->Computing preferences->Exclusive Applications. When adding programs here, BOINC will save a complete list of its most used log flags and options to the cc_config.xml file, most of them disabled.

The cc_config.xml file can be opened with any simple text-editor, such as Notepad. No need to specifically get an XML editor. Even at this time, the XML BOINC uses is specially designed for BOINC use only. But when you save changes, make sure to do so as an "all files" option in ANSI format.

Use the "Read config file" option in the Advanced menu to re-read the cc_config.xml file.
8134) Message boards : GPUs : 2 GPU 1 doing work (Message 44720)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you don't care which of the two to use, remove the <use_all_gpus/> line from cc_config.xml, save changes and restart BOINC.

If you know which of the two you want to use, use the <ignore_nvidia_dev/> option. GPU count is from zero onwards. So first GPU in the system is GPU 0, second is GPU 1 and so forth.

The below will ignore (not use) Nvidia GPU#1 (second in the case).
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<ignore_nvidia_dev>1</ignore_nvidia_dev>
</options>
</cc_config>


Save changes to cc_config.xml and exit & restart BOINC.
8135) Message boards : Questions and problems : using exclusive_app and exclusive_gpu_app on LINUX (Message 44714)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where did you install BOINC from? Berkeley web site or Ubuntu repositories?
8136) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 44713)
Posted 3 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.31 available for testing for all platforms.

Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This release just has a few small fixes over 7.0.30. The BOINC Alpha website has been updated to accept test results for 7.0.31, so please report test results when you have them.

Please report any bugs to the Alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom

Charlie Fenton, BOINC developer wrote:
Dear Mac testers:

We are especially anxious to quickly complete Mac testing because this build has changes needed to make installation easy and convenient under OS 10.8 Mountain Lion. Apple has announced that they will release OS 10.8 this month, and we would like to have our BOINC public release ready when they do.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Jord wrote:
Warning for Seti users:
Due to changes in the way that BOINC calculates the FLOPS value for anonymous platform applications from this version onwards, any work you still have in cache will fail with a "time exceeded" error.

Workarounds:
1. While running 7.0.28, set NNT on all projects, run your cache empty, upload & report everything. Next do the update to a later BOINC, then allow new work. The new work will not have this bug.

2. Only for the super advanced. Exit BOINC completely. Open client_state.xml file. Find the entry for Seti. Manually edit the <rsc_fpops_est/> and <rsc_fpops_bound/> values so they are 10 times their original size (add a zero). Do this for all GPU work in cache. Save file, restart BOINC.

If you really want to go test a later BOINC version, I'd go with workaround 1. It's the easiest.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.30 --> 7.0.31:

  • Unix build tweak.
  • Mac client: Update wxMac build script for partial compatibility with OS 10.8 and XCode 4.5
  • client: when estimating FLOPS for an anonymous-platform app version for which no estimate has been supplied by user, use (CPU speed)*(cpu_usage + 10*gpu_usage) (--> add the 10*)
  • client: add missing end tag for <pci_info>. Doh!
  • When the client makes a scheduler RPC without requesting work, and there's a simple reason (e.g. the project is suspended, no-new-tasks, downloads stalled, etc.) show it in the event log. If the reason is more complex, don't try to explain.
  • client: msg tweak.
  • client: further msg tweaks.
  • client: in the job scheduler, there's a check to prevent overcommitting the CPUs if an MT is scheduled. Skip this check for GPU jobs.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.31_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.31_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.31_i686-apple-darwin.zip


Windows
- boinc_7.0.31_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.31_windows_x86_64.exe


Linux
- boinc_7.0.31_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.31_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

8137) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc_7.0.28_windows_x86_64 will not install (Message 44711)
Posted 3 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this BOINC FAQ for all the information about this problem.
8138) Message boards : GPUs : Reserving GPU power (Message 44704)
Posted 3 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project computing preferences through your account. E.g. at Einstein, that's at http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/prefs.php?subset=global

You only have to set these at one project, they propagate to other projects when they get contacted.
8139) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.28 Computation Errors and not Connecting (Message 44702)
Posted 3 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If your GPU isn't detected, it isn't being used.
I asked for a link to one of your errors, at the project web site. All tasks/results have their own link, you can get at them from your account at Seti->Tasks. Right click any of the ResultIDs on the left, copy their web address and post as a link here.

Else post the first 20 to 30 lines of your BOINC start-up messages. That way we can see (enough) info as well.
8140) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.28 Computation Errors and not Connecting (Message 44699)
Posted 2 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
..still getting the Computation Errors..

Which project is this on, please?
CPU or GPU?
Got a link to one of the computation errors?

You make it sound like there's only one sort of computation errors, by stating them as "the". This is wrong, there's plenty of other cases that give errors. So while BOINC 7.0.25 had exit code -1, exit code 1 and exit code 193 errors, that doesn't say that 7.0.28 has them as well.
8141) Message boards : Server programs : problems with Internet on boinc server virtual machine (Message 44692)
Posted 2 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
These forums are visited very infrequently by people with that knowledge. I am not one of them.
You'd do better to register to and email the BOINC Projects email list. Then other BOINC project administrators will be able to answer you.
8142) Message boards : BOINC client : Unrecognized tag in cc_config.xml (Message 44686)
Posted 1 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a bug, it's a fix. BOINC 7.0 doesn't use debt anymore, so configuration options as showing messages for short term debt and zeroing the debt values are useless. Hence why their entries were removed.

From the 7.0.26 --> 7.0.27 change log:
client: remove <std_debug> log flag.
client: remove <zero_debts> config option.


Now, even if you never added any of these to your cc_config.xml file, you may have added them through the new "add exclusive application" option in Tools->Computing preferences->exclusive applications. When you add a program to exclude through here, BOINC will write a comprehensive cc_config.xml file with all the <log_flags/> and <options/> that there are, with their default setting.

You can fix the message by updating to BOINC 7.0.28 or later, and then either manually editing cc_config.xml with Notepad or any other clear text editor (no need for an actual XML editor) and removing the <std_debug></std_debug> and <zero_debts></zero_debts> lines, then saving the cc_config.xml file again (just save, not save as..).
Or you can add another program to be excluded through the exclusive programs menu (referenced earlier), as then the new cc_config.xml file with everything in it will be written to disk again, thereby overwriting the previous one and taking out the now defunct lines, while adding new ones since introduced.
8143) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 44682)
Posted 1 Jul 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti has trouble with its uploads and downloads. Not a real outage, but you can't get work either.
8144) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44679)
Posted 30 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
For just normal AMD detection, it looks for libaticalrt.so
For OpenCL detection it looks for libOpenCL.so
8145) Message boards : GPUs : GPU still not working. HD6950 (Message 44674)
Posted 30 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't really go out of its way to detect the GPU, instead it will try to find one or more of a certain file that states that you have the correct drivers installed.

So in cases like this it's depending on how you installed BOINC and the videocard drivers. BOINC, from repositories or from the Berkeley web site?

When you install BOINC from repositories, it'll install away from your user account. When you run the BOINC installer from the Berkeley web site, it'll install in your user account.

BOINC will then try to find the AMD driver file in your usr/ directory or any of its sub-directories (e.g. usr/lib/). When it cannot find this file, it will say it didn't detect the GPU.
8146) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc computation error (Message 44664)
Posted 29 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or just check the sticky thread: Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.24 and only errors?
8147) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 44661)
Posted 29 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.30 has been retracted for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
We have pulled the 7.0.30 build because of a bad bug that was introduced
with the extra PCI information added for Nvidia GPUs.

We'll have a new build (7.0.31) available on Monday.


Rom Walton, BOINC developer wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new release to test. This release is a general bug fix release. See the change log for a list of all the fixes.

Noteworthy fixes include:
1.       Installation issue on Windows 8.
2.       Code-signing support for Mac OSX 10.8.
3.       Addition of several ATI GPUs to the detection list.
4.       Prevent multiple downloads of app versions for the same app when the platform differs.
5.       Fix menu redraw issues on Linux.
6.       Fix crash condition in attach wizard on Linux.
7.       Fix log files growing beyond desired size.


Please log test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/ and post bug reports to the Alpha email list.

NOTE: This release is the first release that will install correctly on Mac OSX 10.8. Mac OSX 10.8 is scheduled to be released next month, so we need to nail this release down pretty quickly.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log Windows & Linux 7.0.28 --> 7.0.29:

  • MGR: Remove the visuals in the wizard for multi-core and opencl. This area will get a bunch of work in a future commit.
  • client: show <vbox_window> option in log, and give warning if include this while in sandbox mode.
  • MGR: Fix build breaks.
  • MGR: Fix menu redraw issue under Ubuntu's new interface. fixes [trac]#1180[/trac] (From Huibert)
  • MGR: Wait until there is valid data in the list box before processing the OnProjectSelected() event.
  • Fix for linux idle detection bug with USB mice.
  • client: if available, use GPU model name from CAL for OpenCL model name.
  • client: added the definitions for the new Windows 7/2008r2 preSP1 and Windows 8/2012 SKUs based on the winnt.h from the Windows 8 RC SKD (also added as proof).
  • client: added the detection for some more Windows SKU.
  • client: Updates provided by Teamwork of Planet3Dnow.de to coproc_detect.cpp added CAL_TARGET_ID 21 as : AMD Radeon HD 78x0 series (Pitcairn) (from [P3D] Crashtest).
  • client, GUI RPC: detect and export the PCI bus, device, and domain #s.
  • Mac installer: Fix bugs I introduced on May 3 and May 6.
  • Mac installer: Create or delete Login Items and set screensaver properly when installing for multiple users on OS 10.7, 10.8



Preliminary Change Log 7.0.29 --> 7.0.30:


  • client: it's possible for a host to get app versions for a given app that have different platforms and different version #s. The client was erroneously deleting the one w/ the lower version when it was no longer in use.
    Fix: in garbage collection, consider one version to supercede another only if they have the same platform.

  • client: split GPU detection code into separate files.
  • client: rename coproc_detect.cpp to gpu_detect.cpp
  • client: compile fixes.
  • Windows compile fixes.
  • client: for NVIDIA, make an array of the PCI info for all usable GPUs.
  • client: AMD 77x0 GPU detection addition (from [P3D] Crashtest)
  • Mac: Update XCode project with new source files.
  • fix configure error on Linux. (David) I think the AC_PROG_OBJCXX should be limited to Mac somehow.
  • API, Linux: increase timer thread stack size from 16K to 32K. Apparently new use of MAXPATHLEN can cause overflow. Fixes [trac]#1191[/trac].
  • client, lib, win: split GPU detection code into separate files.
  • Mac: Fix displayed names of BOINC installer, uninstaller, etc.
  • Mac: Code sign the BOINC installer and uninstaller if we have a valid code signing identity.
  • client: More AMD GPU detection additions (from [P3D] Crashtest).
  • Fix typo in Finnish translation for Manager.
  • Unix build: fix typo.
  • Unix build: fix for Mac OS X (from Oliver)
  • Mac client: Upgrade to curl 7.26.60 and c-ares 1.9.1
  • Mac client: build libssl.a and libcrypto.a from openssl 1.0.1c and static link them.
  • Tweak Mac build instructions.
  • client: keep track of the fraction of time that
    1) a network connection is available and
    2) network communication is allowed and
    3) CPU computation is allowed.

  • If an app version is marked as needs_network, use the above fraction in estimating its rate of progress.
  • Replace "core client" with "client" in comments.
  • Unix build tweaks. Fixes [trac]#1193[/trac] (David: I think).
  • Unix build: remove "if" around AC_PROG_OBJCXX; apparently this is needed for Gentoo build. You may need a recent automake for this to work. Fixes [trac]#1193[/trac].

8148) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 44536)
Posted 18 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.29 available for testing for Macintosh.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have posted BONC 7.0.29 for the Mac to the Download All page. Version 7.0.29 is for the Macintosh only.

The BOINC Manager and Client are identical to version 7.0.28. The only differences from 7.0.28 are the installer and uninstaller, which have fixes for situations where BOINC is installed for multiple users under OS 10.7.x Lion and the upcoming OS 10.8 Mountain Lion. It fixes the setting of the screensaver for multiple users, and the setting and deleting of Login Items for multiple users. (Login Items are used to automatically launch BOINC Manager when a user logs in to the Mac.)

If you are running 7.0.28 on the Mac, please upgrade to 7.0.29. Except for issues with the installer or uninstaller, tests you have already run on 7.0.28 are applicable to 7.0.29.

Thank you for your support of BOINC.

Cheers,
--Charlie


[b]Disclaimer

On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.28 --> 7.0.29:

  • MGR: Remove the visuals in the wizard for multi-core and opencl. This area will get a bunch of work in a future commit.
  • client: show <vbox_window> option in log, and give warning if include this while in sandbox mode.
  • MGR: Fix build breaks.
  • MGR: Fix menu redraw issue under Ubuntu's new interface. fixes [trac]#1180[/trac] (From Huibert)
  • MGR: Wait until there is valid data in the list box before processing the OnProjectSelected() event.
  • Fix for linux idle detection bug with USB mice.
  • client: if available, use GPU model name from CAL for OpenCL model name.
  • client: added the definitions for the new Windows 7/2008r2 preSP1 and Windows 8/2012 SKUs based on the winnt.h from the Windows 8 RC SKD (also added as proof).
  • client: added the detection for some more Windows SKU.
  • client: Updates provided by Teamwork of Planet3Dnow.de to coproc_detect.cpp added CAL_TARGET_ID 21 as : AMD Radeon HD 78x0 series (Pitcairn) (from [P3D] Crashtest).
  • client, GUI RPC: detect and export the PCI bus, device, and domain #s.
  • Mac installer: Fix bugs I introduced on May 3 and May 6.
  • Mac installer: Create or delete Login Items and set screensaver properly when installing for multiple users on OS 10.7, 10.8



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.29_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.29_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.29_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8149) Message boards : Questions and problems : Vacation and other reasons why we're silent. (Message 44491)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why is it oh so quiet here? Well, you reached us at a time that most of us aren't available.

Me, I'm on vacation. Been that since the beginning of this week and will continue to be that for the coming 30 days. I only check in a couple of times a week to see if spammers were so dumb to post here.

I may start helping again in a week or two, but for now... nope. Total silence on my part, I need it, to be away from the keyboard getting energy back.

Trog Dog is away, studying.
Kathryn is away, recovering from surgery on her knee.
Rom (developer) just went on a 2 week vacation.

Sorry if you posted here and are waiting for someone to pass by to answer you. It can be a long wait.

Therefore:
If you have project (application) questions, ask them at the project's forums. Most all projects have their own forums. Check BOINC Manager's buttons for mention of Message boards, Help Desk or User forum.
If you think you found a bug in BOINC, email the BOINC Alpha email list. This list needs registration.
If you still feel like posting on these forums, do read When requesting help on these forums... for what info the helpers expect from you. There's still help enough around, from users, non-moderators, wandering by and answering you. Their help is just as good as ours, believe me.

And otherwise, if you feel it can wait, we'll see you on the flip side.

With thanks,
The BOINC forums moderation team.
8150) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC User's Group on Linked In: 536 members and growing! (Message 44419)
Posted 6 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
536 members... Who all should log in and change their password ASAP, after a hacker managed to get the information!

See http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/linkedin-confirms-password-leak-lawmakers-chime-816238 for the news and how to change the password.
8151) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not using AMD GPU (Message 44414)
Posted 6 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry for the late continuation of this thread, real life got in the way.
Weird. It says "running as a daemon" but I absolutely definitely made sure the checkbox for that wasn't ticked.

Yep, just uninstalled it and then installed 7.0.28 making absolutely definitely postivily certain I didn't tick that box (none of the boxes were ticked actually)>I then deleted everything in my BOINC directory except "data" and "ca-bundle.crt".

Yet when I start BOINC I still see "running as daemon". It apparently started with "...\boinc.exe -daemon"
Huh?

I'm going to ask you to do a manual delete of BOINC.
Uninstall BOINC through Control Panel\Programs\Programs and Features

Next open regedit.exe
Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley and delete the BOINC Setup key.

Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley and delete the BOINC Manager and BOINC Screensaver keys.

Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and delete the boincmgr and boinctray entries.

Exit regedit.exe

Then navigate to your C:\Program Files\ directory. Is there a BOINC directory here? If there is, delete it.
Then navigate to your C:\Program Files (x86)\ directory. Is there a BOINC directory here? If there is, delete it.

Leave your BOINC Data directory (default at C:\ProgramData\BOINC\) well alone. It doesn't need to be deleted!

Now reboot your computer.
When back logged in, and if you didn't yet, get BOINC 7.0.28 64bit and install it. In the third screen of the installer, when you see this screen:

Click the Advanced button.
In the next screen, when you see this:

Check the path to the data directory if you changed it to another place and uncheck the Protected application execution, then continue the installation.


Your BOINC should now run not as a service, and with GPU detection.
8152) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not using AMD GPU (Message 44409)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
May I suggest updating this page - http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gpu.php - to specify what it means by "messages".

May I ask how you got to that link? As the BOINC download pages link to the Wiki. The developers want to know if they missed a link someplace.
8153) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not using AMD GPU (Message 44406)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, for semi-unrelated bonus confusion, despite having set CPU usage to "no" for collatz and forced "update" several times, its now using my CPU! Though it wasn't before. :-S I've confirmed its still set online to "no".

There's also an option at the project options that says "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" and when that's checked, you get what you experience.

How did you install BOINC? As a service (protected application execution in the installer)? For then it won't detect the GPU, as Microsoft has separated the drivers from the services, making it impossible for either to know about the other.

Check in your messages in Event Log, at the top.
Does it say "Running as daemon" anywhere? Then you've got BOINC installed as a service. The only way out of that is uninstall, reinstall, 3rd screen in the installer click Advanced, then uncheck the PAE option, continue installation.

While you're going to be working with installers anyway, best update to 7.0.28, the latest development version that has a load of bug fixes.
8154) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not using AMD GPU (Message 44404)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've changed the Wiki, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing. The other page is deprecated as it says at the top. I'll see if I can get the developers to remove it. Thanks for the report.
8155) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC not using AMD GPU (Message 44402)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Milkyway won't use your GPU, as it doesn't have double precision. Only these GPUs (link to thread on their own forums) will work. But at the moment the project is down.

For Collatz, start in this thread. Read through it what they say is their minimum requirement, and if in doubt just ask them.

BOINC 6.12 and later have the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E on Advanced view) which shows the messages. Check first that your GPU is even detected by BOINC. It's all fine and well if external programs tell you that you have OpenCL capability, but if BOINC hasn't detected the GPU, then it won't use it either.

There have been complaints that 12.4 'hides' the GPU from BOINC. You may want to try older drivers first. Or completely uninstall these drivers, before reinstalling them or others.
8156) Message boards : Questions and problems : Code 1 error (Message 44387)
Posted 2 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
where Primegrid tasks

Of all your tasks at Primegrid, there's only one result with exit code 1, and it shows at the end of its stderr.txt why that is: your GPU is out of memory.
http://www.primegrid.com/result.php?resultid=385334820:
Resuming from checkpoint p=3123225215497473 in cwpcheck3123225140e6.txt
Thread 0 starting
Detected GPU 0: GeForce 9300M GS
Detected compute capability: 1.1
Detected 1 multiprocessors.
Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Insufficient available memory on GPU 0.
Trying again...Cuda error: cudaMemcpy: out of memory


All other erroneous tasks at Primegrid were either abandoned or timed out, or run on 6.12.34 with a signal 11 error.

It also happens to some Einstein tasks

Nothing in your task list that shows any evidence of this. However, if it's just not reported yet and it happened on the "Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo) v1.24 (BRP4cuda32nv270)" task, then again, this is due to the fact that your GPU ran out of memory. Reboot the computer to fix any lack of memory related problems on a GPU, a reboot, or power-down, power-up, is the only way to flush any stuck remnants from (any) memory.

It may also be that your GPU just doesn't have enough memory to run the work. At Einstein, the minimum requirement is 390MB free on the GPU. I don't know at Primegrid, you'd have to ask them. E.g. If your card only has 512MB of memory and you're running all kinds of frivolous 3D modules to nicen up your desktop, the 512MB can be reduced to very much less already.
8157) Message boards : Questions and problems : SLI Windows 8 (Message 44381)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still, seems like an issue that this isn't enabled automatically.

BOINC will automatically use the best GPU, or more than one if there are the same GPUs in the system. In your case they may look the same, however, they aren't, as the GPU 0 is rated best due to that available memory fluke you have: 8377165MB of memory versus only 845MB available.

02/06/2012 01:14:33 | | NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 296.17, CUDA version 4.20, compute capability 2.1, 46080MB, 8377165MB available, 1048 GFLOPS peak)
02/06/2012 01:14:33 | | NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 296.17, CUDA version 4.20, compute capability 2.1, 46080MB, 845MB available, 1048 GFLOPS peak)

So some detection/driver adjusting in Windows 8 still needs work, it seems.
8158) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tricks for running unbalanced projects? (Message 44374)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set Project B to a resource share of 0 (zero) (*). Then it will only fetch work when Project A doesn't have work, or when it isn't up & available. It will fetch a full cache of work then, though.

The cache settings are global, they're for all projects.

(*) The project does need reasonably up-to-date back-end software for this to work. If an RS of 0 doesn't set, if it resets to 100, then use an RS of something microscopic, like 0.0001
8159) Message boards : Questions and problems : new MSI laptop with nVidia graphics not detected (Message 44371)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, you need the GPU manufacturer's drivers for CUDA/OpenCL to work. The 650M may not specifically be mentioned, but the 301.42 drivers do support the 600M series notebook GPUs. So do go install them first.
8160) Message boards : BOINC Manager : [solved] Any way to configure the boinc client without using boincmgr? (Message 44367)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use the boinccmd (BOINC command) tool instead of BOINC Manager. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool for its control options.
8161) Message boards : Projects : seti@home down again? (Message 44361)
Posted 30 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, they're down. Having a planned power outage.
This web site will go down as well. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7606 for that news.
8162) Message boards : News : BOINC server downtime (Message 44359)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that'll be PDT, UTC -7 hours.
Seti will be going down then as well.
8163) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two Projects – One Dominating (Message 44349)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Leave things well alone and eventually BOINC will turn its attention to Malaria. BOINC 7.0 has not only got a whole new scheduler (separate CPU and GPU schedulers) to work with, it also does things differently when compared to BOINC 6.

You will now have BOINC run per project first, until it knows how they do their work. Only after its renewed learning period will it start running a couple of tasks for one project and a couple for the other. It'll have to relearn when you add another project. It will not learn when you continue to make decisions for it, and suspend one project to allow the other to fetch work.
8164) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager 7.0.25 win64 not starting (Message 44345)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whenever you have problems where BOINC Manager won't start up, first check if BOINC has started. In Windows task manager, check if boinc.exe is running (check processes for all users when you run as a service). Check if boincmgr.exe is running as well.

Did you install the correct BOINC?
Is it the 64bit version, and did it install to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ ?
Or is it the 32bit version? And did that install to C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ ?

Windows has this security thing where it does not allow 64bit programs to run from the 32bit Program Files directory and even sometimes has problems with 32bit programs staring from the 64bit Program Files directory. So make absolutely sure that your version of BOINC was installed to the correct programs directory.

The BOINC installer will check where you put your previous version (6.12.34 in both your cases) and use the install directories that this version set. Then it's for you, the user, to check in the third screen in the installer if that info is correct. Not just click OK, or Next without checking.

The next thing that could be in the way is firewall or anti virus or other anti-malware programs. Disabling AV and firewall is a bad thing, especially when you connect directly to the internet (no router), so never do that, not even for testing. But luckily, unless you install Windows 95 or 98, you can't even disable your firewall anymore these days, Windows will always leave it running at some level.

Always exclude the BOINC programs and Data directories plus all files and sub-directories from being scanned by your anti-virus and anti-malware programs. Only scan these by hand, when you first completely stopped BOINC. Safest way not to lose work, that.

And make sure that BOINC is allowed to pass through your firewall.
BOINC its parts (boinc.exe, boinmgr.exe, boinccmd.exe, boinc.scr, boincsvcctrk.exe, boinctray.exe) talk to each other through TCP port 31416, so make sure that one is allowed for BOINC only.
The BOINC client itself (boinc.exe) needs access to the internet through TCP ports 80 and 443.


How come a 64bit BOINC installer an install into the 32bit Program Files directory? This is because the installer itself is always 32bit. Only the contents of the installer are either 32bit or 64bit. The BOINC.MSI file inside the boinc_7.0.28_windows_intelx86.exe and boinc_7.0.28_windows_x86_64.exe themselves is also only 32bit, its contents is a database containing the files that will be unpacked into the directory of choice. And only these files will be 32bit or 64bit, this depending on the name on the installer.
8165) Message boards : News : BOINCstats/BAM! relaunched (Message 44344)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you think that the BOINC Account Manager does? Exactly that: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Account_managers
And mind, this thread wasn't about BOINC Manager (the GUI), but about BOINCstats and BAM!
8166) Message boards : Questions and problems : App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it (Message 44334)
Posted 28 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any of Nvidia's GPUs that's capable of CUDA can do OpenCL. I know that. But it doesn't automatically mean that there are drivers available for the OS. See Macintosh computers and AMD GPUs. They're supposed to be supported through drivers in the Mac OS X, but it doesn't work.
also there is /usr/lib/OpenCL/vendors/nvidia/libOpenCL.so.1.0.0

And where is your BOINC installed to? I see your data directory is at /home/stephan/Downloads/BOINC/, so if BOINC is also installed in /home/stephan/ then it's physically separated from the drivers (sandboxing), which is why BOINC won't be able to read them.

I checked the source code and see that BOINC checks for OpenCL.dll under Windows and opencl_lib under *nix and Mac OS X.
8167) Message boards : Questions and problems : App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it (Message 44330)
Posted 28 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
all WU´s run fine, only the manager say no device......

Oh wait a moment, I don't even think that Nvidia has OpenCL drivers yet. And even if they do, it will probably be for Windows only at this time.

And even if you had it to work at one time, it's the driver that's missing the part. There's nothing magical about BOINC supporting OpenCL, it reads the GPU capabilities from a file in your drivers. If this file is missing, BOINC can't read what's going on and will throw an error. So double check the driver, double check that you installed it under the same account that BOINC runs from.
8168) Message boards : Questions and problems : gpu missing error--Seti@Home (Message 44329)
Posted 28 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti does not have an ATI app, you have to install a 3rd party application through the anonymous platform to use these GPUs there. Ask on the Seti forums for the Lunatics applications.

The message you get is because you had CUDA work on your system and taken out the Nvidia GPU(s), then inserted ATI GPU(s). CUDA work can ONLY run on Nvidia GPUs. Not on ATI GPUs, not on Intel GPUs, not on Intel or AMD CPUs.
8169) Message boards : Questions and problems : App version needs OpenCL but GPU doesn't support it (Message 44321)
Posted 28 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The driver version is unknown, so BOINC cannot determine whether or not your GPU is OpenCL (or indeed OpenGL) capable. It will try to do that by reading a specific file that's included with the drivers.

Download and install the drivers from Nvidia to have these capabilities included. Don't use the 295.xx-296.xx drivers as these contain a monitor sleeping bug that crashes work on the various projects.
8170) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 + BOINC 7.0.24 and only errors? (Message 44299)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.24 and 7.0.25 have a bug that create a lot of exit code 1 and exit code 193 errors. That's probably where your "output file absent" errors come from. Why the package maintainers at Ubuntu went for release of a BROKEN BETA BOINC is beyond me (e.g. Berkeley official BOINC 7.0 release is 7.0.25), but since they don't want to burn themselves more, they were slow at releasing 7.0.27 which has everything fixed.

So you'll have to get this yourself:
For ubuntu 12.04, open a terminal and type each line as written, hitting "enter" after typing each line:
sudo apt-get remove boinc
sudo apt-get autoremove
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pkg-boinc/ppa
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install boinc


You can omit that last line "sudo apt-get install boinc", and instead open synaptic and choose boinc 7.0.27 there, and install.

With thanks to xclusive585 (Ex) for hunting that down and writing it up.
8171) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 12.04 boinc fails SETI@HOME and Cosmology@HOME (Message 44298)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.24 and 7.0.25 have a bug that create a lot of exit code 1 errors. That's probably where your "output file absent" errors come from. Why the package maintainers at Ubuntu went for release of a BROKEN BETA BOINC is beyond me (e.g. Berkeley official BOINC 7.0 release is 7.0.25), but since they don't want to burn themselves more, they refuse to release 7.0.27 which has everything fixed.

So you'll have to get this yourself:
There's some hold-up getting the 7.0.27 package backported into 12.04, there was a different bug found, (I haven't had an issue)...

There is the ppa repository, however that was just changed to 7.0.28, and I have not tested it yet so who knows what will or wont work. It should not have the "computation error" bug however as the 12.04 repository package currently does.

If you want to try the package from the ppa repository, (currently 7.0.28)
do (in a terminal):
sudo apt-get remove boinc
sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install boinc


This will add the active ppa repository to your system and install boinc from it. This version gets changed regularly however, so you are more likely to run into problems using this repository, however for now at least you can have something that should work, vs. something that doesn't.

As I mentioned Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal) has a fix in it's repository, but there is some holdup getting that package into 12.04 as 12.04 is a long term support release and they want to make sure once the package is replaced, it will be a version that can be relied on for some time...


With thanks to xclusive585 for hunting that down and writing it up.
8172) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC-Manager - Multi-monitor Problem (Message 44286)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi, you made it. ;-)
OK, can you please state for the record what brand and model videocard you use, whether you use it for calculations and if so at which project(s).
Also of use for the developer is to know which drivers you use, and were these installed by you or by Windows (Update)?

When in doubt about how to get info like that, some pointers can be found in this thread.

With thanks, I did forward your plight to the developers already.
8173) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Won't stop task (Message 44284)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a BOINC problem, but a project science application problem. So you'll have to complain at Primegrid.

Even quitting boinc does not stop the task.

This is normally caused by BOINC trying to exit the application, but it refusing to do so. The application will then stay in memory, continuing to run as a rogue app. You can only quit it through the OS its task manager, end process.
8174) Message boards : Projects : Rioja Science (Message 44278)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps this thread should be locked.

I disagree. Not until there are forums at the project. What if Félix is subscribed to this thread, then locking it would only be counterproductive.
8175) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win Vista/7 tries to run a new instance of BOINC at every user login (Message 44266)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The same way you disabled it for your administrator account: per user account, open BOINC Manager->Tools->Options->Uncheck Start Manager at login?
8176) Message boards : Questions and problems : screensaver clitchy (Message 44265)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Who installed the videocard driver, you or Windows?
If Windows, then it lacks the necessary component to show the correct graphics, OpenGL. As this is a direct 3D competitor to Microsoft's own DirectX, they can order graphics manufacturers to leave this driver component out of the drivers that are installed by Windows and Windows Update.

So you need updated drivers from the manufacturer.
Use the Download Drivers section of AMD Support to get the latest drivers for your videocard, then if you can (know how) uninstall your present ones and install these new ones. Then try again.
8177) Message boards : Questions and problems : screensaver clitchy (Message 44259)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
From When requesting help on these forums...:

When you're requesting help on these forums, please, always be so kind as to give information about which BOINC version you run (See Help->About BOINC in BOINC Manager), about your system, the projects you are attached to and what you have done so far to try to remedy the problem.


and

- If you have problems with your screen saver or graphics, please state which projects you run, which project(s) you have the problem with, what you see and expected to see. For hardware/software check, please state what your videocard is (brand and model), DirectX version, Operating system and most crucially, drivers version. See this FAQ for other hints.
8178) Message boards : Questions and problems : updated repositories for Ubuntu packages ? (Message 44247)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Therefore I doubt Rom ever built on 11.10.

Diplomacy never was your strongest point, ey, Kim?
8179) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 7.0.25 Only Requesting ATI WUs (Message 44246)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0 won't request work until the total cache falls beneath the minimum work buffer value. What that value is depends on what you set at a project's global computing preferences.

Although to be less less confused --due to a lot of projects not being updated to the latest BOINC server back-end and thus new preferences-- you may want to set it at BOINC's local advanced preferences: BOINC Manager, Advanced view, Tools, Preferences, Network usage, minimum work buffer and maximum additional work buffer values.

The local preferences override the web preferences, and will take immediately upon clicking the OK button.

Why does it ask for ATI work then? Because BOINC 7.0 has a separate CPU and GPU scheduler. If you do not have work for your ATI GPU, its scheduler will try to get some to fill the cache to the minimum work buffer value, so it will poll all projects you've added if they have ATI work. Watch out with Einstein, as it DOES have work for ATI GPUs these days.

By the way, when I pointed out 7.0.27 in my previous post, I linked to the BOINC 7.0 change log thread, to its release post there, which has links to 7.0.27 for all platforms available in the post. Or else, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6698&nowrap=true#43938.
8180) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 7.0.25 Only Requesting ATI WUs (Message 44241)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
- Which projects, other than Seti?
- Which of them use an ATI GPU?
- Do you have an ATI GPU?
-- What do you use the GPU for at Seti? Which Lunatics apps did you install?
- How long ago was it you installed BOINC 7.0.25? Allow BOINC to run uninterrupted by you (you making decisions instead of BOINC) for at least 14 days before you come complain. BOINC 7.0 uses completely NEW CPU and GPU schedulers and a new work fetch module. These cannot be compared to the previous BOINC era. Your BOINC has to learn again how to do things and this takes time. Although it's wise to upgrade to at least 7.0.27 due to bug-fixes. (7.0.28 is available)
- Have you adjusted your minimum buffer and maximum additional buffer values? They should be the other way around as with BOINC 6.12 and before. So if you had a connect to of 1.0 days and additional work set for 5 days, then you now need a minimum work buffer of 5 days and additional maximum work of 1 days.

8181) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disk Space Error (Message 44239)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/index
8182) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7 in service mode? (Message 44238)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uninstall BOINC.
Restart the BOINC installer.
At the third screen of the installer, click Advanced.
Next check "Protected Application Execution".
Continue installation as normal.

This may require a reboot at the end of installation to finalize making Windows groups and accounts.

Installing BOINC in service mode will stop BOINC from being able to detect GPUs, even on Windows XP. This due to separation of drivers and services, and due to a bug in GPU drivers all-together, which caused BOINC to crash.
8183) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc freezes computer (Win7) (Message 44237)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc crashes the computer withing a few seconds after being fully loaded, so I doubt that it's stress or heat.

Running science applications under BOINC is something different than running any other program at full force on your CPU & GPU. Most of the science applications out there use CPU specific optimizations, such as SSE, SSE2 or higher. These optimizations generate extra heat, they put your system under more stress than any game out there does.

There's an easy test though to see if it's truly just any of them science apps under BOINC, or your system. The test is called Prime95, another distributed computing program that stresses the CPU. In this case, it may even use AVX, if your i5 is a Sandy Bridge version.

Don't run BOINC and Prime95 at the same time, make sure about that.
Do run Prime95 for at least 24 hours, or however long your computer can stand it.
If your computer reboots quite quickly after starting Prime95, you have a hardware problem on your hand.
8184) Message boards : Server programs : Boinc Server - Ubuntu Server 10.04 - Compiling Error (Message 44227)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wish people would stop looking at the severely outdated unofficial BOINC Wiki site and instead just check the official BOINC Wiki, starting from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain.
8185) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error 0 with World Community Grid and BOINC 6.12.34 (Message 44223)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
In that case, you can try to set it to another test URL or IP address, other than Google. This may be an internal URL, just as long as it can be used to ping and get an answer.

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<network_test_url>other URL</network_test_url>
</options>
</cc_config>
8186) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error 0 with World Community Grid and BOINC 6.12.34 (Message 44220)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The example cc_config.xml I gave was really an example. You will have to change the authentication forcing if it uses something different than NTLM.
As now you end at:
21-May-2012 14:38:51 [World Community Grid] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 407 Proxy Authentication Required ( Access is denied. )


If not sure, don't use authentication forcing:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<http_debug>1</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
</options>
</cc_config>


As stated in the log, WCG lives at 172.16.222.51
WCG uses a HTTPS address which requires that TCP port 443 is accessible.

8187) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error 0 with World Community Grid and BOINC 6.12.34 (Message 44218)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E), and stdoutdae.txt in the data directory.
8188) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error 0 with World Community Grid and BOINC 6.12.34 (Message 44215)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no change between BOINC 6.12 and 7.0 on how to communicate with proxies. However, 7.0.27 does use the newer libCurl.

In any case, we have too little information to be able to help you. You could try to run with the <http_debug/> and <http_xfer_debug/> tags in cc_config.xml
Or just try to force authentication through the same cc-config.xml file, with the <force_auth>basic | digest | gss-negotiate | ntlm</force_auth> tag.

Example given:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<http_debug>1</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
<force_auth>ntlm</force_auth>
</options>
</cc_config>
8189) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weird message from a "rogue" project (Message 44201)
Posted 20 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I still think this is weird, as the EVO project is retired as far as I know, and how come a retired project which I´m obviously not connected to anymore can just change my preferences?

These are global preferences. Once set at a project, it doesn't matter if that project is going down, dead, or continues to exist, for BOINC to use those preferences. They're uploaded to BOINC and at all projects it's recorded that you set your preferences last at this one project.

There's nothing really that prevents you from going to any other project that your BOINC is attached to and setting new preferences there, then updating BOINC to that effect. It'll do exactly the same thing, when you update BOINC it'll store those preferences as global_prefs.xml in your BOINC Data directory, while the project will propagate this information --of which preferences you use now-- to all the other projects.
8190) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weird message from a "rogue" project (Message 44198)
Posted 20 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's the EVO project, and it doesn't actually change the preferences, it's where you, at the 20th of March 2011, changed your online preferences and uploaded those to BOINC. That's what that line says.

Whether or not you're now attached to the EVO project does not matter in this.
8191) Message boards : Projects : Can't add new project (Message 44193)
Posted 20 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've had a stroke of bad luck in choosing projects. Both Lattice and Orbit are out of work and may not (re)start. But that's something you ought to be able to read in their project forums.

A good way to see which projects do have work, is to use a stats site to see which have gained credit in the past days. Like http://boincstats.com/en/stats/projectStatsInfo.
8192) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc on USB stick (Message 44191)
Posted 19 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll need http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/Dotsch_UX.html, which runs a light Linux version with BOINC 6.10

No one has updated for BOINC 7.0 yet. I wouldn't hold my breath on anyone doing it that quickly either. But then, I've been proven wrong before. ;-)
8193) Message boards : Questions and problems : computation error (Message 44190)
Posted 19 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Computation error" is a general statement that the BOINC back-end uses to show you quickly that something went wrong. In the stderr.txt that your BOINC sent to the projects there'll be a lot more information. This stderr.txt can be found in the TaskID of the task that had the computation error.

So far for the explanation. If you want more help, please exit & restart BOINC, then copy and post the start-up messages of your BOINC here in this thread. That way we can see what hostIDs your computer has at the various projects, and we can check for ourselves what your specific error is, and if it's a known one, offer help on it.

To exit BOINC, see this FAQ.
To restart BOINC, well, let's assume you have Windows, then you do Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.
8194) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC network usage (Message 44184)
Posted 19 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Under my Computing Preferences, I have network usage between 00:00 and 04:00.

And lastly in the list of questions, where did you set this one?
At a project's web site, or in BOINC Manager's local preferences?

The local preferences override the web preferences. So if the local preferences state to use the network all the time, and you're set to use the local preferences, then BOINC will use the network whenever it can.
8195) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc freezes computer (Win7) (Message 44183)
Posted 19 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Never uninstall your firewall or anti-virus software. These protect your computer. If need be, make an exception for the BOINC Data directory and its sub-directories in the anti-virus software.

But I suspect that won't make much of a difference.
What happens here is that when BOINC starts the science applications, these applications put your CPU under severe stress. Well, not just your CPU, but the memory and motherboard as well. Also GPU if any of the projects uses it for calculations.

Windows hanging or the computer hanging, so you need a hard reboot to fix that, usually indicates hardware trouble. Broken memory, a broken motherboard, that sort of thing.

Are there any warnings in Windows Event Viewer? (Start->type "event viewer" in the search, click Event Viewer under Programs. Next wait for it to load all logs. Then check the Critical, Error and Warning logs for clues. Any red and yellow flags are things you should look at.
8196) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPDN (Message 44175)
Posted 19 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, in the "Your Account" -> "Other account info" section at CPDN.
8197) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPDN (Message 44170)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So what if you add the project and make your account through BOINC Manager?
BOINC Manager->Add project (or account manager)->Add project->select ClimatePrediction.Net->No, new user, fill in your information->Next->Finish.
8198) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 44168)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.28 available for testing for all Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.27 --> 7.0.28:

  • Mac installer: changes for OS 10.8 compatibility. (fix)
  • client: fix bug where coproc name could be set incorrectly when:
    a) there are multiple GPU vendors
    b) one of them is detected via OpenCL but not "native" (CUDA/CAL)
  • lib: added function secs_to_hmsf() which converts (double) seconds to a string 0h00m00s00.
  • C++ code: use MAXPATHLEN for char arrays that hold paths.
  • Windows compile fixes.
  • lib: Fix a bug where information that was meant for stdout was being written to stderr instead.
  • lib: Keep track of the rough estimate of stdout and stderr by incrementing internal variables instead of doing a stat on each log write. stat() on Windows is converted to a FindFirstFile?() call which in turn looks up the file size information in the directory structure file system entry. The directory structure information is only updated periodically. This lead to larger than expected log file for both the manager and core client.

    This has the added advantage of reducing the overall number of file I/O operations when logging information.
  • MGR: Eliminate QuickDraw calls for OS 10.8 compatibility.
  • diagnostics lib:
    - Store file sizes as double rather than int
    - If we're appending to log files, initialize the size variables to the current size.
  • lib: down case processor features.
  • check return value of fprintf, only increment size if it's +
  • when rotate log file, reset size var to zero.
  • MGR: Add OpenCL icon to the ProjectInfo wizard page.
  • MGR: Fix the icon we use to represent OpenCL.
  • client: Update the stock all_project_list.xml file we send out with new client software.



Available installers:
Windows
- boinc_7.0.28_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.28_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.28_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.28_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.28_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.28_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

8199) Message boards : News : Major Power Outage at SSL (Message 44167)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=68108.
8200) Message boards : Questions and problems : Major Power Outage at SSL (Message 44161)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Matt Lebofsky wrote:
There was a major power outage on Tuesday evening that affected several buildings here on campus including the entire Space Sciences Laboratory. Power has been restored this morning, and we are slowly getting the project back on line.


Matt Lebofsky wrote:
More detail (from Jon - another systems administrator here at the lab):

Power failed when there was a short in the power distribution lines that feed the hill buildings [including Space Sciences Laboratory, Math Science Research Institute, Lawrence Hall of Science]. The short occurred because of deterioration of the insulation on these power lines, which are buried in a conduit in the ground. The power distribution lines are thousands of feet long, originating in a substation at LBL below LHS. Most of this conduit only contain one power line, but we were lucky in that the section that failed had two power lines in it, so the electricians could just utilize the second unused line to restore electrical service. It was an arduous process finding just where the short was, since they had to disconnect one segment at a time and test it. This is why it took so long to find and repair.

- Matt

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=68108
8201) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU recognition problems (Message 44137)
Posted 14 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your CPU does hyper-threading, meaning that for each real core the CPU makes a virtual core. So you have 2 real + 2 virtual = 4 cores.

You'll see that Windows will state as well that you have 4 cores, when you check Task Manager->Performance.
8202) Message boards : Questions and problems : Nvidia OpenGL errors message (Message 44130)
Posted 14 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mentioning "clunking sounds", sounds to me like a hard drive that is dying. Clunking sounds aren't good. If you do not know much about computers, then have someone with knowledge check the machine at home, or else if still under warranty, call Dell. Don't continue to use the machine --with BOINC or without it-- before someone has checked the mechanical internals. If your hard drive is failing, it can go any minute now and when it does go, you lose any possibility to get information off of it!

In the least it can be a videocard driver that is misinstalled, but I suspect more that it really is your hard drive dying and that therefore the videocard cannot read the driver correctly and thus throws that error.

At least none of this is anything that BOINC does by itself. Most project science applications running under BOINC are a good tool to stress one's computer to the max and see what breaks if something is about to break. But a hard drive is normally not one of the things that break.
8203) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC v7.x error - A required privilege si not held by the client (Message 44121)
Posted 13 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a bug.
The 6.12 version shouldn't have worked either, unless you installed that with the administrative (/a) flag, which just unpacks the contents of the installer. Or you first installed 6.12 and then later added that system to a domain.
I will bet that you won't be able to install 6.12 again either, you will get the same error, or you will get the error that the boinc_admins group cannot be made, or your account cannot be added to it.

There's most probably been one or more security tweaks to the domain since you installed BOINC 6.12, which adjusted the way that the BOINC limited user accounts can do their work with BOINC (log on, run things).

But these should mainly affect you when you have BOINC installed as a service (protected application execution), as when it's installed as a user, whenever that user runs BOINC, and the project science applications, they'll all run under this user's account (aka Administrator, or the first user being an Administrator).

Unless you've set that other users are allowed to control BOINC through BOINC Manager. Then these users are added to the boinc_users group, which requires access to the BOINC directory and (mainly) boincmgr.exe).

In any case, in the Release Notes we warn against BOINC being incompatible with domain controllers, but ex-equal, BOINC is also incompatible with computers running on that domain. All because of the limited user accounts that need to be made. BOINC 7.0, being a major update, makes them anew, with new privileges.
8204) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Can't install latest build of Boinc (Message 44111)
Posted 12 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use BOINC 7.0.27, available from the last post in this thread:
One of its fixes is:
WINSETUP: Fix long standing installer bug where we were attempting to add the boinc_master account to the boinc_admins group when installing in the non-service install mode. boinc_master is only created during service installs. This was causing a setup failure on Windows 8. As far as I can tell it should have also been failing on Win7 and Win Vista.
8205) Message boards : Questions and problems : suggestion for selecting projects to run (Message 44100)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Suggested quite a lot of times, but will never be added. The work scheduler will run work in first in, first out mode. If it were to run based on deadline alone, and one would add Malaria (3 days) and Climate Prediction (1 year), it would run only Malaria up till the point where it wouldn't be able to finish the CPDN models anymore due to severe time constraints.

BOINC manages all those things fine enough, giving you time to do something useful with your life for the rest of the day.
8206) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Help (Message 44099)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As you can see, that's the Unofficial (and very much out-of-date) BOINC Wiki. Better to start at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain, which is the official BOINC Wiki and shows all of the things one can do to start up a project.
8207) Message boards : The Lounge : Can spread spectrum signals be detected by this ?? (Message 44064)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC isn't looking for anything, it's a managing program. If you're wondering this for the Seti project, then the answer is no. Seti Enhanced (Multibeam) is narrowband, Astrpopulse is broadband. See About Seti and About Astropulse for more information, and if you still need more information, don't hesitate to ask questions at their message boards.
8208) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac boinc_7.0.25_macOSX_i686 install error (Message 44063)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to download the installer again. It would seem that the installer you have is corrupted.
8209) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running Test4Theory (Message 44052)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I understand it it's not something that's easily solved, but the developer is still busy with it. You're not forgotten. Ping me back in another month's time, perhaps that I then do have an answer.
8210) Message boards : Questions and problems : updated repositories for Ubuntu packages ? (Message 44033)
Posted 7 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
7 isn't released to public, so likely you do have the latests. 7 is for the alpha testers.

Never mind her, her medicines ran out and she was thrown into a time-warp back to a year earlier, when BOINC 7 was still an alpha. But no more, BOINC 7.0 has been released to the public since April 9th 2012.

For the rest, Rom does build Berkeley BOINC on Ubuntu 11.10, so it should be compatible with 12.04, although you may want to update some of your libraries when using older versions. Rom further told me he'll be updating to 12.04 next and rebuild 7.0.27 for local use, to see if he can reproduce what it is that ails so many people. All builds after this should be built on 12.04

As said by Kathryn, repository versions are kept up-to-date by repository maintainers. For the Debian/Ubuntu repository fixes drive, see this thread at Seti. They're working from the basis of your link.

As I understand it, the versions in that link are best not used if you don't know what you're doing. Plus the BOINC version in there has been updated several times since you posted your complaint and the link. Meaning that if you aren't updating, you're behind and still working on a 'broken' BOINC.
8211) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 won't install (Message 44032)
Posted 7 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
After going through everything in those suggestions twice in that link I still receive errors and now get Error 2718. Missing package name for product code ...

what are the next steps ???

I did a search on the internet. This seems to be a problem with the Windows Installer (who'd have guessed that?), and the fix is to use the Windows Installer Clean Up tool. (again, who'd have guessed that?)

Mind, if you do a search on this error, you'll find a lot of advice to repair the registry. If you have a good free registry repair application (there's really good free ones out there, so really no need to spend tens to hundreds of dollars/pounds/euros on one), you can use that to fix the problem as well. But otherwise, just use the Windows Installer Clean Up tool, which essentially does the same thing, it removes the offending corrupt path out of the registry.

oh and that link for the MSI uninstaller is a horrible link and once I finally did find the download it didn't do anything after I installed it. I could not find the exe file so assume the program runs on install ??

??? Of course it doesn't run automatically. It's a program, you should start it.
I installed it and here it shows at the top of Start->All Programs. But otherwise, do Start->type Windows Install in the search option and presto, it'll show the shortcut to the executable.

You can easily find any program this way, as long as you know its name, which in this case you did...
8212) Message boards : BOINC client : Why does the Installer for BOINC 7.0.27 require a full computer restart. (Message 44028)
Posted 7 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from the developer:

Because the installer is removing the old boinc_master and boinc_project users and groups and creating new ones with different IDs, to solve some issues. The reboot is needed to guarantee that the OS recognizes the new values. This is a one-time thing; the installer won't require a reboot for further upgrades or reinstalls.

This change was recommended by Apple:

- Mac installer: follow recommendations of Apple Developer Technical Support: create users and groups boinc_master and boinc_project at first available UserIDs and GroupIDs starting at 501 instead of 25 to avoid conflicts with UserIDs and groupIDs which may be added in the future; use Directory Services to find the user names of all human users instead of stepping through the entries in the /Users directory.
8213) Message boards : Questions and problems : wrapper macosx 10.5 precompiled (Message 44017)
Posted 6 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
PowerPC applications requires 10.3
Intel 32bit and 64bit applications require 10.6

That's not something that can be changed, it's an OS X requirement.
8214) Message boards : Questions and problems : wrapper macosx 10.5 precompiled (Message 44015)
Posted 6 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your source code\boinc\samples\wrapper\ is where the BuildMacWrapper.sh lives.
To see what it does, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/boinc/trunk/boinc/samples/wrapper/BuildMacWrapper.sh
8215) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC requires permission at start-up (Message 44001)
Posted 5 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.27 doesn't use the shortcut from the Start Up folder. If you have one there, it's either that you put it there yourself, or a left-over from an ancient BOINC 5, as since BOINC 6 the start-up of BOINC Manager at Windows log on is done by the registry.

As such, you can easily delete this shortcut.

Leave the shortcut to BOINC Manager in the All programs->BOINC folder intact though!

Then if you want to start BOINC Manager at Windows log on, use the check mark for it in Advanced view->Tools->Options->Run Manager at login?



(Per user, the boincmgr key is at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ .. the key will be there whether you have the 'at login' option checked or not. Do not remove!)
8216) Message boards : Questions and problems : very basic informaton for GPU processing (Message 43998)
Posted 5 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, the whole problem here is how the GPU is being seen by BOINC. Thus far something in the system was detected as the ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200 (RV610).

I've checked into your CPU now and have seen its chipset should sport a Radeon HD4200: The ATI Radeon™ HD 4200 Graphics with the AMD 785G Chipset enables an exceptionally power-efficient platform at an incredible value. (Source = ATI).

However, this video chipset is integrated into the motherboard, not the CPU. So then we get to that, what kind of motherboard do you have? Make and model, please. You can use CPU-Z to determine that (use the 64bit version for 64bit Windows and 64bit CPUs).
8217) Message boards : Questions and problems : very basic informaton for GPU processing (Message 43992)
Posted 5 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see you went over to the Seti thread I pointed out plenty of times. Good. They'll be able to help you further.

By the way, one thing of importance. Nvidia and ATI are two competing graphics chip makers. Their technology isn't one on one compatible. You keep saying you have an Nvidia 4200, when in reality you have an ATI HD2400 (or something similar). Or as BOINC reports it earlier in this thread:
ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200 (RV610) (CAL version 1.4.636, 256MB, 224MB available, 80 GFLOPS peak)

I didn't check this earlier, but this could well be the problem, is that you don't have enough memory on it. 256MB isn't much in today's world, where 1 gigabyte is becoming the norm and GPUs with 2GB or more RAM are quickly taking over.

You may want to look into getting a better GPU, or a co-processor card, for your PC, but then you do have some things to check upon:
1. Is your Power Supply Unit (PSU) strong enough? What's in the system now? Anything below 480Watt isn't sufficient.
2. Does your PSU have the right connectors? These days most GPUs need a 6 and 8 pin 12 Volt connector.
3. Can the new videocard fit inside your present case? Do measure what the maximum length is between the backside of the computer case (backplates) to the front, or to wherever the bays begin.
4. Can the case still be shut after you installed a new card? Do measure the height from the top of the PCI-E 2.0 slot to the maximum width of the case (where the side or top comes on again to close it).

There are videocards out there that are "low profile GPUs". When you do have space constraints, make sure to look for these.
8218) Message boards : BOINC Manager : I wish you'd make your BOINC Manager, and Client programs to have larger text those who can't easily read the tiny text (Message 43988)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which is why I pointed out Google Chrome as another contender.
Or what to think of Mozilla Seamonkey? If you want to stick with Firefox like code. They're only at 2.9.1, but it'll use some more memory as it's got things like the web-editor and the email client included into the browser.

Edit: Oh, having written that... wait a moment.
Apparently 2.9.1 is akin to Firefox 12. Sorry to get your hopes up. :-(
8219) Message boards : Questions and problems : very basic informaton for GPU processing (Message 43986)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 0.40 installer is the latest one.

Again, please first read at least the first post in this thread. It'll hold the same information as is available in their readme file, but the readme file is only available after you ran the installer to the end at least once.
8220) Message boards : Questions and problems : very basic informaton for GPU processing (Message 43984)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1) am I missing anything?
2) will I have to download another version of lunatics when I get another card?

1) Lunatics 0.40 is a full-blown installer, you don't have to unzip it any longer, just start it and walk by the options. But do read the Seti thread I pointed out earlier, first. Also best to ask questions about the installer in that thread, as it's really their beast, you'll get answers from people with more knowledge on the subject than I do/have.

2) No, although you may want to run the installer again and adjust the GPU applications, especially when you go install a better ATI GPU, or when you switch to an Nvidia GPU. ATI applications cannot run on Nvidia and Nvidia applications cannot run on ATI. Tsk, computers... ;-)
8221) Message boards : BOINC Manager : I wish you'd make your BOINC Manager, and Client programs to have larger text those who can't easily read the tiny text (Message 43983)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, a quick search through present add-ons brings me to TooManyTabs - Saves Your Memory and Memory Fox.

Of course, there's a whole different option as well... not use Firefox, but use Google Chrome instead. Chrome has a lot of add-ons on its own.
8222) Message boards : BOINC Manager : I wish you'd make your BOINC Manager, and Client programs to have larger text those who can't easily read the tiny text (Message 43979)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers have in the mean time answered. I'll write it in larger size for this answer.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
Hi Jord,

I will let Rom address the text size questions, though if the text size in BOINC is increased then it will be even harder to fit the entire line from the advanced GUI on one's screen.

As far as I know, BOINC does work with standard screen readers for the visually impaired on Both Mac and Windows. But I do understand screen readers are less convenient to use than larger text if one is able to read larger text sizes.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Rom Walton wrote:
As far as I know, if you change the default text size in Windows, it'll automatically adjust the sizes of all the text and components in BOINC Manager.

Windows also includes a utility called Magnifier that will devote part of the monitor to be the zoomed in view of whatever has focus. Magnifier works with all Windows applications.

Right now BOINC Manager just uses whatever the OS is configured to use. Making this configurable in BOINC Manager itself would be a big project.
8223) Message boards : BOINC Manager : I wish you'd make your BOINC Manager, and Client programs to have larger text those who can't easily read the tiny text (Message 43978)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
This function came in with Firefox 8, if I am not mistaken. So if you cannot update to that due to possibly outdated accessibility aids, then there's not much that can be done about that. Other than you checking into newer options for accessibility, I'm afraid. I don't mean this harshly, I'm sorry if it sounds that way.

I also don't think people just stopped developing for the visually impaired. May I ask what you are using at this moment, which add-ons? I can check in the present Firefox what (newer) (other) options are available.
8224) Message boards : Questions and problems : very basic informaton for GPU processing (Message 43977)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Cross-project stats:
BOINCstats.com Free-DC 2 175.32 6,772 7.0.25 AuthenticAMD
AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 630 Processor [Family 16 Model 5 Stepping 2]
(4 processors)

AMD ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200 (RV610) (256MB) driver: 1.4.636 Microsoft Windows 7
Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 3 May 2012 | 23:57:50 UTC


What does it say in the BOINC start-up messages (Event Log)?
For instance, on my system it says this:
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel        Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | Processor: 256.00 KB cache
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 syscall lm vmx tm2 popcnt aes pbe
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | Memory: 7.91 GB physical, 15.83 GB virtual
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | Disk: 205.08 GB total, 150.42 GB free
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | ATI GPU 0: Barts (CAL version 1.4.1720, 2048MB, 2015MB available, 2976 GFLOPS peak)
04/05/2012 17:29:03 |  | OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: Barts (driver version CAL 1.4.1720 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (923.1), 2048MB, 2015MB available)

(You can select lines to copy from the event log, and then copy them to clipboard with the "copy selected lines" button and then paste them into an answer window here.)

According to the stats, your Radeon is detected (a HD2400 by the looks of it, using Catalysts 10.5, which are very much outdated, and which do not have the OpenCL component, so yeah please install newer drivers first. The HD2400 is still not double precision capable, so you still can't use it at Milkyway.

As to the Lunatics Third Party Apps. I found the installer, V 0.40 64bit. When I run this, what is it doing?

Well, it is a bit outdated, but still valid. Follow this FAQ for seeing how to identify the CPU applications you want to run. For the GPU, it'll state in the which apps you can use on the 2400. Or see this post (the first one in the thread) in the Seti forums.

Will it synch up with the standard BOINC manager that I am using?
It's not an account manager, it's third party science applications that you use to do the science with. But instead of BOINC managing them, it's you who manages them through the anonymous platform (app_info.xml) file. So when Seti releases their Seti v7.0 applications in the coming months, you'll have to add them to the app_infox.ml file manually --albeit, by that time Lunatics will have a new installer that will do it for you.
8225) Message boards : BOINC Manager : I wish you'd make your BOINC Manager, and Client programs to have larger text those who can't easily read the tiny text (Message 43972)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
P.S. I additionally ask that you will modify your Web pages to cause information to be able to re-flow allowing easier viewing if a user like myself uses a larger font setting for viewing your pages. This text entry box for example isn't Handicapped User Accessible, as when I make the text box larger by re-sizing the page within my browser, the text doesn't word wrap, and the window doesn't re-size Left to Right to stay within my screen area Left to Right.

That's a function of the browser, not a function of the pages. In Firefox for instance, one can resize the text box by grabbing the right lower corner and pulling it down- and outwards. The text will then auto-wrap to the new size.

So if you browser isn't doing this, then you may want to look into getting another browser.

As for the rest of the request, I will forward it to the developers. However, do know that the new BOINC 7.0 simple view can now completely be read by screen readers. The advanced view could already be read by screen readers. Just for information.
8226) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 won't install (Message 43971)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, in that case, use the Windows Installer Clean Up Tool. See this FAQ for more information.
8227) Message boards : Questions and problems : very basic informaton for GPU processing (Message 43964)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi there,

Sorry for the belated answer, I saw your post this morning, but real life got in the way and I had to run out for work. After that was done, the rest of my afternoon was booked as well.

1) When I check my computers in the BOINC manager, it shows the computer and the processor, does that mean that the processor is being used?

Depends on what you mean by processor. Your CPU? Then yes.

2) I am running seti@home. I understand that they do not have ATI suppot. Does that mean that BOINC sees the card, but it isn't being used? If this is the case, if I were to sign up for (for example) MilkyWay@home which does support ATI, would it use the power of the mighty Radion 4200 in addition to the CPU?

To be able to use an ATI GPU or APU, you need to install the drivers from the AMD website. The drivers that Windows installs lack the necessary components necessary for doing work on the GPU.

Just install the latest Catalyst Control Center, this includes the older CAL and newer OpenCL components. Plus adds OpenGL graphics capability, another thing Microsoft demands is cut out of the drivers they distribute.

You will be able to use the GPU at Seti, when you use the third party Lunatics applications. Do know that each time Seti releases new applications, you will have to update them then by hand, as with using third party applications the automatic update option stops working.

You will not be able to use your videocard at Milkyway as their application requires double precision, a thing that only the top-of-the-range ATI cards have. It is a hardware switch, it cannot be added by drivers or a software or BIOS update. See their GPU rquirement thread for more information.

3) I'm looking to boost my numbers. What NVDIA cards should I be considering?

Any PCIe 2.0 Nvidia card will do, GTX 460, 480, 520, 540, 550, 560, 680. It really depends on how big your case is, how high your case is and how much money you want to spend on it. But then the options are almost limitless.

4) is there somewhere on this site with a good GPU processing for dummies area? I'm at a very basic level here.

What is it you want to know?
8228) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 won't install (Message 43963)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you never get a prompt to repair, this points in the direction of you using a different installer than last time, therefore, I did say watch out for 32bit or 64bit.

Under 64bit Windows, 64bit programs install to the C:\Program Files\ directory. 32bit programs will install to the C:\Program Files (x86)\ directory. So if you had a 6.12.34 that was a 32bit version and now you're installing a 64bit version, it'll install to a different location. It will in this case ignore the old 32bit location in the registry, as 64bit programs are not allowed to install to the 32bit program Files directory! (A thing Windows dictates).

So check in C:\Program Files\ if there's a BOINC directory there and if so, which version boinc.exe it has (right click on it, properties, Details.
If there's no BOINC directory here, then check if there's on in the C:|Program Files (x86)\ directory, and check the version number of boinc.exe (same way).
8229) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 won't install (Message 43949)
Posted 3 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's Windows which forgets where it put the .msi file that the installer uses to uninstall the old BOINC version with. You can easily fix this by repair installing 6.12.34

Download the 6.12.34 installer from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php, make sure you use the correct version, 32bit or 64bit.
- Acknowledge to Windows you want to start the installer.
- On the first screen of the installer click Next.
- On the Program Maintenance screen, check the radio button for "Repair", then click Next.
Run through the rest of the installation to repair 6.12.34


After that's done, download the installer for 7.0.27 as it's better to upgrade to the latest version available, boinc_7.0.27_windows_intelx86.exe (32bit) or boinc_7.0.27_windows_x86_64.exe (64bit), this one has a lot of user-found bugs fixed.
Then just install over 6.12.34 and you should be golden.
8230) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 will not upload on FreeBSD (Message 43940)
Posted 3 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The big question now is, what happens when you compile BOINC 7.0.25 (or .26 or .27) to use the libcurl 7.18.0 that 6.12.26 used?

libCurl does the communications part (upload & download), the others aren't relevant here.
8231) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43938)
Posted 3 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.27 available for testing for Linux, Windows and Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.26 --> 7.0.27:

  • client: only send active tasks in get_simple_gui_info GUI RPC.
  • client: remove <std_debug> log flag.
  • client: remove <zero_debts> config option.
  • components under Windows, Update copyrights.
  • client: add <suspend_debug> log flag.
  • client/server: remove assert()s from message log code.
  • MGR: Show() does not restore the window state from a minimized state. Use maximize(false) to handle that situation.
  • client: fix bug that could erroneously cause a GPU to be "blocked by config file".
  • client: fix function prototypes for CUDA detection.
  • Added NVIDIA GPU platform detection to boinc_get_opencl_ids_aux()
  • client: fix bug that caused a project's jobs to all be run EDF if the project has the <dont_use_dcf> flag set.
  • WINSETUP: Fix long standing installer bug where we were attempting to add the boinc_master account to the boinc_admins group when installing in the non-service install mode. boinc_master is only created during service installs. This was causing a setup failure on Windows 8. As far as I can tell it should have also been failing on Win7 and Win Vista.
  • update_versions: eliminate PHP warnings when no version.xml file.
  • client: when showing how much work a scheduler request returned, scale by availability (as is done to show the amount of the request).
  • client in account manager request, <not_started_dur> and <in_progress_dur> are in wall time, not run time (i.e. scale them by availability)

    Note: there's some confusion in the code between runtime and wall time, where in general wall time = runtime / availability.
    New convention: let's use "runtime" for the former, and "duration" for the latter.

  • client: fix crashing bug that happened when a scheduler reply had a parse error, and it included project files. While parsing the scheduler reply we'd add FILE_REFs to PROJECT::project_files, but wouldn't link them to FILE_INFOs since this is done only if the reply parses correctly. The next garbage_collect() would dereference these NULL pointers.

    Solution: parse the FILE_REFS into SCHEDULER_REPLY::project_files. Copy this to PROJECT::project_files only if the reply parses.

  • Bad logic in Win code:


 if you have
      *pbuf = HeapAlloc?(...)
 then you need
      if (*pbuf == NULL)
 not
      if (pbuf == NULL)

  • various code cleanups from Steffen Moeller.
  • client: enforce <no_gpus> in config file not just at startup, but also when config file is re-read.
  • A first attempt to fix the bug where apps die with exit(1) (whereas they didn't do this w/ older clients). On Windows, the client uses TerminateProcess?(h, 1) to kill processes; the 1 is the exit code the process will appear to have.

    So instead, add a "will_restart" bool arg to the various kill functions, and if set use 0 (= STATUS_SUCCESS), otherwise use EXIT_ABORTED_BY_CLIENT.

    Note: in principle this shouldn't make any difference for quitting tasks, since handle_exited_app() checks for task state QUIT_PENDING and ignores the exit code in that case. The only place I can see where it would make any difference is when we kill a process because it hasn't been handling queued shared-memory messages for 180 seconds.

  • client: add more info to the message about an exited app.
  • client: function return values (ERR_*) are different from process exit codes (EXIT_*). But in many places we were using return values as exit codes. Fix these. Also, break out the different types of limits a job can exceed (time, disk, memory) into difference exit codes.
  • compile fix.
  • WINSCR: Use the DefProcHandler? function when processing WM_CLOSE/WM_DESTROY window messages. In effect, let Windows do the default thing. This removes the hacks which kept the screensaver running with old versions of Microsoft's keyboard/mouse driver software installed.
  • client: if acct mgr sends us an account with no authenticator, show an error message instead of trying to attach.
  • client: code cleanup. Move RESULT and PROJECT to separate files.
  • client: minor code shuffle.
  • client: if an app version needs OpenCL/CUDA/CAL, make sure that the GPU supports it (fix bug where sometimes, e.g. CUDA detection fails but OpenCL succeeds, and we have a CUDA app).
  • Mac: Update XCode project with new source files.
  • Manager: message tweak.
  • Add new files to Win project.
  • Mac installer: changes for OS 10.8 compatibility.



Available installers:
Windows
- boinc_7.0.27_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.27_windows_x86_64.exe


Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.27_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.27_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.27_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.27_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.27_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

8232) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC can't download some projects' files (Message 43926)
Posted 2 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not if both the projects where you have the problem have server problems at this time. You other projects seem uninfected, so not completely a BOINC problem. Therefore, ask at the projects if an admin can check the contact log for possibly more information.

And when BOINC can't download anything 'for some reason' it will always show this in the messages or Event Log.
8233) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC can't download some projects' files (Message 43920)
Posted 2 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Post at the projects their forums first. That's where the problem seems to come from, so they should have all the (server-sided) logs to see what your host is trying to do. See if there's other people with the same problem.
8234) Message boards : Questions and problems : OSX and very limited CPU usage (Message 43919)
Posted 2 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, as I am not sure what you think that the problem is.

If you feel that BOINC itself should use more CPU, then you're wrong. As I tried to explain above, the project application uses the CPU. So in this case, probably Rosetta's Mini_Rosetta application.

If you want to use all the CPU cores, make sure that you set:
- On multiprocessors, use at most X processors, to the minimum value of cores BOINC should use. Values are integers.
- On multiprocessors, use at most X% of the processors, to the value of cores you want BOINC to use, with a minimum of X and a maximum of how many there are in the system. Values are in percentages (0 - 100%).

Make sure that you use your local advanced preferences (Advanced view->Tools->Preferences) as well if you only run Rosetta, as I see their back-end is pretty much out of date. They only have the "use at most X processors" value, not the percentages that newer BOINC versions (BOINC 6 and above) use.
8235) Message boards : Questions and problems : OSX and very limited CPU usage (Message 43916)
Posted 2 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC shouldn't use a core or more of CPU cycles as it doesn't do any work (*). BOINC is a managing program for projects that ask you to do science for them. It's these projects their science applications that do the work. So after you installed BOINC, you should add a project (In Simple view: BOINC Manager->Add project->Add project; or in Advanced view BOINC Manager->Tools->Add project or account manager->Add project), download its science application(s) and some of its tasks and that should take up CPU cycles.

However, by default BOINC does only allow this work to be done when the computer is idle, so as long as you wiggle your mouse about or tap on the keyboard, the science applications will not kick in. So you can either set top to show the processes and then sit back on your laurels for 3 minutes until the work starts, or you can setup your preferences for BOINC to always use the CPU, or you can (temporarily) set Activity to Run Always.

(*) Bar when the benchmarks run, then the BOINC process will show full load on one core.
8236) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ver 7.0.25 and CUDA loss (Message 43908)
Posted 1 May 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
[trac]changeset:25630[/trac] writes:
client: if an app version needs OpenCL/CUDA/CAL, make sure that the GPU supports it (fix bug where sometimes, e.g. CUDA detection fails but OpenCL succeeds, and we have a CUDA app).

To appear in 7.0.27
8237) Message boards : Questions and problems : using non boot-disk (Message 43906)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
- Uninstall BOINC through Start->Control Panel->Add/Remove Programs (WinXP) or Start->Control Panel->Programs->Programs and Features (Vista and 7).
- Move your BOINC Data directory to another drive or partition. Move the whole directory with everything in it.
- Install BOINC, and in the 3rd screen of the installer click Advanced;

then change the path to the Data directory to that of where you moved the BOINC Data directory to.

- Continue installation.

Done.
8238) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43901)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apropos,

I've just been told this is not likely to change in the near future and, in my case at least, to 'turn off GPU usage altogether in the various project settings'.

Please don't make up things I didn't say or imply. I said:
In these cases, you'll have to set "Use Nvidia GPU" to No in the project preferences and update on BOINC. It will then ask for work for the CPU.

Conversely, after you have work for the CPU, you can enable GPU work fetch again in the same way. Or just wait it out, as eventually the REC of the CPU is so large that it will refuse to ask for work for the GPU and only get work for the CPU.
8239) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43899)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've never told BOINC to use the GPU only, as you know, there is no such setting...that I've seen anyway.

In project preferences, for those projects that have GPUs enabled:
1. Projects with CPU and Nvidia GPU applications only:
Use CPU
Enforced by version 6.10+
Use NVIDIA GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+


2. Projects with CPU, ATI and Nvidia applications:
Use CPU
Enforced by version 6.10+
Use ATI GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+
Use NVIDIA GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+


Whether or not the Nvidia GPU and ATI GPU option is available depends on whether the project has native applications for them. For instance, on Seti one can run the optimized applications on their ATI card, but since these aren't default --delivered by the project-- applications, the ATI option won't show in the Seti project preferences.

Note:
- Selecting the Nvidia GPU preference here does nothing for ATI GPUs.
- When you run applications through the anonymous platform (app_info.xml) file, setting the preferences to No will be ignored since you tell BOINC what applications to use in that file.

The recent changes to BOINC have resulted in BOINC using faulty logic to get wherever it's going.

Please see the quote after Furthermore in my post here.
8240) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43896)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
... totally irrational that a code telling BOINC which GPU core to use should effect work fetching, they are two totally unrelated components, or should be so.

Not really. The GPU won't be able to do any work without the CPU. There's no GPU application yet that runs completely on the GPU only, it's a program that runs on the CPU (check in Windows task manager->Processes). This is because you need to use the CPU to translate the tasks into something that the GPU understands (kernels), transport these to the GPU, wait for the GPU to be done with the work, transport the results back, translate them back into something the humans understand and write that to disk.

For some projects this means that their application will take up part of, or a full core for as long as their science application runs on the GPU.

But ok, the bug has nothing to do with this. The bug is that the GPU is seen as the highest priority piece of equipment in the PC and that it therefore always needs to be fed. However, having said that, I have also seen times that my GPU isn't being fed, or that BOINC is asking for work for it, only for the CPU. So I think it switches sides.

I hope that they are aware that people are having issues. Is this all being passed back to the people designing this thing?

The three developers have quite a bit on their plate. They know about this bug, I don't have to tell them I found another victim who got bit by it. If you feel you have extra information that no one else could have given them yet, you can always email them yourself. Best do so on the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. Yet it ends up directly in their email boxes.
8241) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43887)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's a bug in BOINC when the GPU is enabled, that BOINC will only ask for work for the GPU and ignore the CPU. This bug is present in 7.0.25, 7.0.26 and probably going to be in 7.0.27. It's a difficult one to track.

In these cases, you'll have to set "Use Nvidia GPU" to No in the project preferences and update on BOINC. It will then ask for work for the CPU.

When this bug is going to be fixed, is unknown. It's been in BOINC since some 6.12 version, perhaps it's here to stay. As a feature.
8242) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0.26 (Message 43882)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So why wait now?

I asked for 7.0.26 to be promoted several days ago, but will probably not get an answer on that until after the weekend. It seems the developers are taking their weekends off this year. ;-)
8243) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43881)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I cleared the Computer Preferences already but there is the XML file but the parameter for that line is '0'.

The normal preferences are stored in a file called global_prefs.xml
The local preferences arfe stored in a file called global_prefs_override.xml

Now the other thing why preferences like that may not adhere to logic, can be because of:
1. You set Activity, Use GPU always.
2. You set Activity, Run always.
3. Boinctray.exe isn't running. Boinctray is the BOINC idle detection program for Windows 7 and Vista. It does not run in any tray, it has no icon, it starts only from the registry at Windows logon. You can only see it running in Windows task manager.
8244) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43875)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
...despite settings in BOINC projects not to use GPU when machine in use

Well... here's the thing. I suspect you're using local advanced preferences, which override the web-preferences. So just indulge me and check in your BOINC data directory if you've got a file called global_prefs_override.xml, for when you do, there's probably in it "<run_gpu_if_user_active>1</run_gpu_if_user_active>" which translates into the "Use GPU while computer is in use" being checked.



It's quite easy to use the local preferences, you only just have to look at them and exit with the OK button, to get them to be used immediately. It's also quite easy to get rid of them, just navigate to them (Advanced view->Tools->Preferences) and click the Clear button. This will force BOINC to use the web-preferences. Or uncheck the "Use GPU while computer is in use" option and click OK.
8245) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43871)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, that will do it. Although, why use <ignore_nvidia_dev> then, instead of <no_gpus> which just ignores all GPUs in the system...
8246) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc screensaver and youtube (Message 43870)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume you run a form of Windows. In Windows you can set up the screen saver and so you set up the BOINC screen saver there. Increase the amount of minutes before it should start, or disable it completely by setting the screen saver to None.
8247) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43868)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, no outside influence adds to the cc_config.xml file, or at least it won't add a specific videocard to ignore. The number in the flag tells your BOINC which video device to ignore. In this case device 0, the first one.

If you don't want that to happen, the easiest thing to do is delete the whole file, then exit & restart BOINC.
8248) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43864)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You set it in cc_config.xml, as this file and any of its contents is made by the human, not the AI. (*)

By the way, I hope for you that those dashes aren't really in your cc_config.xml file, that it's a side-effect of looking at and copying it from IE, as else the file is broken. Better to check up on it with Notepad or any other simple text editor. It's not real XML used in this file, the XML in it is specially developed for BOINC.

(*) When you add programs to be exclusive, for which BOINC should suspend work, through the Advanced preferences window in BOINC 7.0, it will add most all other cc_config.xml flags in the file as well, however they're all set to their default off position.
8249) Message boards : The Lounge : Inadequate BOINC T shirts (Message 43857)
Posted 29 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I found this on a search: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2859
8250) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43849)
Posted 28 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
We are, the users. Richard over there, me, lots of other people. Of course, there's no way that we can test for every possibility of it working or not working. The variety in hardware versus projects makes that impossible.

Now, if you think you can do better than any of us, sign up and show it. :-D

I must say, I ran 7.0.25 for 9 days before it went public and I never had problems with uploads&downloads or it (not) listening to time-of-day preferences. I must've been lucky.
8251) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC resetting to BIOS (Message 43839)
Posted 28 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Bad_Pool_Header
[...]
Stop: 0x00000019 (0x00000020, 0xE49FD348, 0xE49FD418, 0x0C1A0801)

http://www.faultwire.com/solutions-fatal_error/BAD-POOL-HEADER-0x00000019-*1040.html?order=date
8252) Message boards : Questions and problems : Latest Boinc Version Seems To Have Stopped Polling For Work (Message 43838)
Posted 28 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you do not see BOINC adhere to time-of-day, make sure in Windows task manager that boinctray.exe is running. Boinctray.exe is the BOINC idle time tracker for Windows 7 and Vista. If it hasn't started, as it only starts from the registry at a reboot, you must start it your self. Navigate to your BOINC programs directory, (double-) click boinctray.exe. It will start to run silently, only visible in Windows task manager.

Furthermore,

When reporting purported bugs in the program
You can tell us a whole story of how you feel there's a bug in the program, that things aren't working and such, but for all we know it's something you did yourself. Without a debug log we cannot help you and your post will go ignored.
The debug messages will write into the Event Log.

The main debug flags that we're normally interested in are:
<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

When posting a log, after you added the flags to the configuration file, restart BOINC, let it run for up to 5 minutes, then post the WHOLE log. Not just 2 or 4 lines.

When you do post what you think is a bug, post it in a thread of your own in the Q&P forum. Please do not use an existing thread. Please do not piggy-back on to another person's thread with logs. That gets very confusing if we're trying to get the developers to chime in.

There's space enough for your own thread, these forums don't use a quota, so there's really no excuse for you to feel the need to add to an existing thread.

With thanks for your help and understanding.


Signatures are only a problem in some of our information threads --such as the projects outages thread--- not in your own thread.
8253) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43837)
Posted 28 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
How low does that 'low water mark' have to go? I'm attached to 16 projects and although I realise there could be no work available at any of them, BOINC hasn't even tried to poll in 48 hours with NO WU's currently stored at all.


When reporting purported bugs in the program
You can tell us a whole story of how you feel there's a bug in the program, that things aren't working and such, but for all we know it's something you did yourself. Without a debug log we cannot help you and your post will go ignored.
The debug messages will write into the Event Log.

The main debug flags that we're normally interested in are:
<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

When posting a log, after you added the flags to the configuration file, restart BOINC, let it run for up to 5 minutes, then post the WHOLE log. Not just 2 or 4 lines.

When you do post what you think is a bug, post it in a thread of your own in the Q&P forum. Please do not use an existing thread. Please do not piggy-back on to another person's thread with logs. That gets very confusing if we're trying to get the developers to chime in.

There's space enough for your own thread, these forums don't use a quota, so there's really no excuse for you to feel the need to add to an existing thread.

With thanks for your help and understanding.

8254) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 will not upload on FreeBSD (Message 43818)
Posted 27 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's a big downgrade - is that the only other port available in FreeBSD?

Dotsch has a 6.10.58 and a 6.12.26 at http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/BOINC%20Clients.html.
8255) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 Doesn't fetch work when cc_config excludes GPU's (Message 43814)
Posted 27 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The bug here is that you're still expecting BOINC 7.0 to work like previous BOINC versions did, where it will fetch work for whatever project e.g. when it's just uploaded & reported work for that project. Sort of to top off the cache all the time.

BOINC 7.0 does not work this way. It will only fetch work when the total work cache is below that of the minimum work buffer value and then it will only fetch work from the project with the highest priority (priority == 0, or close to it, like -0.05), and only if that project does not have work, will it fetch work from the next, and the next, etc.

IF the developers allow INSTANCE limits through cc_config or a program option, that would be great! As of now, my only method is to limit the CPU usage to 18% (one core out of six).

You said yourself that the project only sends you 2 of those tasks, so why not suspend one of them while you run the other? A manual value for amounts of tasks you want to get from the project has been asked plenty of times before and has always met a nyet from the developers. I don't see any change in that in the foreseeable future.
8256) Message boards : Questions and problems : When is version 7.0.26 going to be released (Message 43807)
Posted 27 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anything between "the application terminated due to unknown causes" to "the GPU you have installed is broken". It depends on whether the project added error coding or not. T4T for instance has only got exit code 1 as their error, doesn't matter what error you get there. Thus very difficult to track.
8257) Message boards : Questions and problems : completed job not uploading (Message 43806)
Posted 27 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check Climate Prediction's forums first for news. As it says in their news thread:
As can be seen from the Server Status page, 2 of the upload servers are currently shut down due to hard disk problems:

* uploader.oerc receives the final upload files (_13.zip) for all of the Weather at Home (HadAM3P regional) tasks. These files are required to generate the atmosphere and ocean restart files for the next data set in the task series.

* uploader1.atm receives the intermediate uploads (_1.zip to _12.zip) for some of the hadam3p_eu tasks.

Jonathan is planning to install a Virtual Machine to take over their jobs tomorrow. Hopefully the available pool of work won't be exhausted before he completes the job.
8258) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows Server 2003 (Message 43804)
Posted 27 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes#BOINC_7_incompatible_with_Domain_Controllers
8259) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 Doesn't fetch work when cc_config excludes GPU's (Message 43800)
Posted 27 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So with a project like LHC that never has work will eventually become the only project the BOINC will attempt to fetch work from

Of course not. A project that has no work will be asked a couple of times, until its back-off places it at asking it once every 24 hours if there is work, and if not, back to a countdown of 24 hours. Even 6.10 and 6.12 did that already.
8260) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Priority Question (Message 43794)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Maybe assigning one processor core # to a particular task is "CORE AFFINITY", but not wanting BOINC to run one task per project... 4 projects, 4 CPU's, one project per CPU core... simple...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_affinity writes:

Processor affinity or CPU Pinning. CPU pinning enables mapping and unmapping entire virtual machines or a specific virtual CPU (vCPU), to a physical CPU or a range of CPUs. It is a modification of the native central queue scheduling algorithm in a symmetric multiprocessing operating system. Each task (be it process or thread) in the queue has a tag indicating its preferred / kin processor.

And so 4 projects, 4 CPUs (or 4 cores, or 2 cores + hyper-threaded virtual cores), one project per CPU core == processor affinity. Which is something BOINC doesn't support or will support in the future, since it's proven in tests that there's no gain in doing this.

The closest that you'll get is with BOINC 7.0, if you let it handle things by itself, if you don't overwork your BOINC by setting high minimum + additional buffers, if you let it learn for the first 2 weeks to a month how things work, if the chosen projects all have the same resource share and comparable run-times, if none of the projects goes into HP, etc. etc.
8261) Message boards : Questions and problems : 7.0.25 Doesn't fetch work when cc_config excludes GPU's (Message 43793)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1) The reset <zero_debts>1</zero_debts> - <zero_debts>0</zero_debts> thing in cc_config

<debt_debug/>, <std_debug/> and <zero_debts/> are deprecated in BOINC 7.0, so there's no need to run (with) any of these flags. BOINC 7.0 doesn't use debt anymore, but the Recent Estimated Credit (REC) scheduler. No actual credit is used, it's just a number based on how long your computer took to do the work. A sort of 'pay' system.

Work fetch is done according to priority, which is calculated from the REC / Resource Share ratio. When a projects runs, it accumulates REC; when it doesn't run, REC decays. So if a project goes down, REC goes down and priority goes up.
Conversely if a project goes into Earliest Deadline First/High Priority (EDF/HP), REC goes up and priority goes down, so it won't run for a while after it comes out of EDF/HP.

Before you ask, no there's no way yet to safely reset REC.
8262) Message boards : Questions and problems : When is version 7.0.26 going to be released (Message 43789)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No it fixed errors with ABC@home but now the exact same error is happening in eOn

It could well be a problem at eON. If other projects now no longer show this behaviour, yet one more does, it's probably something weird in their code.

Also, the exit code is 193, not -193. Were it -193, it would be a BOINC client error code. Now that it is a positive error code, it's a science application error code.

There's also no need to keep pressing on about it, I have forwarded your new thread on to development already. They're already busy figuring out why many people experience exit code 1 errors all of a sudden on a variety of projects & hardware.
8263) Message boards : Questions and problems : What happened to all my credits? (Message 43781)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, like I said, make sure that your accounts on all the projects use the same email address. Do note that typos and use of lower or higher case matters.

And make sure that one computer has all projects added. When those two factors have been met, it's a question of days (and contacting all projects) before things should normalize.
8264) Message boards : Questions and problems : What happened to all my credits? (Message 43779)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see that you're only showing Cosmology as an active project. If this is wrong, then your problem is probably that you got a new CPID, split off from your previous one where all the credits are still at.

A CPID split happens when you add a new project but instead of using your old email address, you use a new email address. It can also happen when you have multiple computers, and don't have one computer among them that's attached to all the projects you're interested in.
8265) Message boards : Questions and problems : mobile/ cell phone usage (Message 43775)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am wondering, does the modern cell phone have a math processor that can handle the task?

No, phones normally do not have an FPU (floating point unit), or when they do, it's very basic. That being said, BOINC is already being developed for Android: AndroidBoinc. However, building BOINC for Android is one thing, without science applications you can't do much with it. So projects will have to (find the need to) develop for Android as well and port over their science apps.

the IPAD

BOINC hasn't been ported to the iPad, and won't be as long as Apple doesn't give permission.
the new Windows device

What new Windows device?
will these devices still have the same computing power as a machine with six cores and a graphic processor and large memory and hard drive capacity?

No, of course not. Maybe in another decade, but not now.
8266) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading/uploading work (Message 43771)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most all normal connections. As for the timed out connection to Einstein, have you asked at the Einstein forums if one of their servers may have problems?

And otherwise your new firewall must be blocking things. Pinging the website URL isn't going to help, BOINC isn't contacting the web site, but a server behind other servers all at the project, the address of which was told to it through the master file.
8267) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC resetting to BIOS (Message 43769)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a CPU issue in the sense that I can run intensive games and the CPU / GPU are clocking 100% for hours on end.

The flaw here is that most games don't use the CPU extensions (MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AVX), while the projects science applications do. So if any project's application optimized towards any of the before extensions starts up and your CPU does not like that, it'll blue screen and reboot.

Check that Automatic restart is off:
Start->Run->type Sysdm.cpl and hit Enter, Advanced Tab, Start Up and Recovery->Settings->System Failure->Unmark "Automatically Restart"->OK->OK.

Then you have a good chance at seeing the BSOD if there is one.

Now, if there isn't a BSOD, but the system just reboots when it starts a certain project's science application, first try to figure out on which one it does this. It may well be that your power supply isn't feeding enough juice out and that it needs to be replaced.
8268) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not downloading/uploading work (Message 43768)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please update to [urlhttp://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.26_windows_intelx86.exe]7.0.26[/url] first, as that version has the newer libCurl included. Curl does the communications.
8269) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 High Priority Probelms (Message 43767)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say that 7.0.27 has the fix do you have any estimate of the time when that will be released?

No, last time I said that a version was imminent for the same day development hit several snags and had to postpone for several days. So I won't dare to guess anymore. When there's enough bugs found & fixed, I think. ;)
8270) Message boards : GPUs : Ivy Bridge HD 4000 graphics (Message 43766)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, when Ivy Bridge is on the market, development will get one for one of their systems and start implementing OpenCL support for Intel GPUs. Possibly that Sandy Bridge (HD2000/HD3000) graphics are supported then as well.
8271) Message boards : Questions and problems : Long Post - BM Spontaneous Restart (Message 43765)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
...seeing how 6.12.35 was not playing well with OSX 10.6.8, perhaps the kind folks at BOINC would consider elevating 6.12.43 as their preferred v.6 OSX install on this page?...

I thought that was a splendid idea and forwarded it to development, who are going to follow up on it.
8272) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help Getting Source Code (Message 43754)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, tried that TVN and it didn't want to work for some reason...

It requires a reboot.
8273) Message boards : BOINC client : Work fetch policy (Message 43753)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shouldn't the work fetch policy guarantee that each active project always has at least one work unit?

No, not at first. Perhaps later, after you let BOINC do its thing and it's learned the quirks of the projects you've added.

Work is only fetched when the total queue falls down the minimum work buffer value. Then work will be fetched from the project with the highest priority, based on work already done and resource share.
8274) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help Getting Source Code (Message 43751)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You said you're on Windows?
Then you download and install something like TortoiseSVN.
After installation you may be required to reboot, do so.

Next you make a map on your drive, call it e.g. BOINC_Source.
Then you right click on that map, do SVN Checkout...

In the window that opens, add http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc
(or http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/branches/boinc_core_release_7_0a for 7.0 specifically) as URL (no need for the svn co addition, just the URL), check the path to the directory, Checkout depth: Full recursive, click HEAD revision. Click OK.

TortoiseSVN will now download the source code.
8275) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 High Priority Probelms (Message 43748)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.0.27 has a fix for the "client: fix bug that caused a project's jobs to all be run EDF if the project has the <dont_use_dcf> flag set." problem.

In the mean time, if you want to return to 6.12, follow the following steps:
Returning to BOINC 6
Due to changes to how BOINC 7 writes details about work to the client_state.xml file, you can't easily return to BOINC 6 when BOINC 7 has run on your system. Not without you having made an earlier backup of the data directory, and even then it'll be troublesome. Any work you have gotten since you ran 7.0, will be 'lost' when you return to 6. Only projects that have "resend lost tasks" on will resend them to you, but not all projects do this due to the severe strain on the database. (Only Seti and Einstein have it on, I think).

So here's what you can do to return to BOINC 6 in an easier manner:
- Set No new tasks on all your projects, run all the work to completion, upload & report it.
- Uninstall BOINC.
- Go to the data directory and remove the client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml files.
- Install BOINC 6.xx, whichever flavor you liked.
- Run that.
(- Set Allow new tasks on all your projects.)

That's all.
8276) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help Getting Source Code (Message 43747)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You been at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient ?
8277) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC resetting to BIOS (Message 43744)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Even Windows XP registers why it restarts. Check Start->(Control Panel->)Administrative Tools->Event Viewer. Check for red and yellow warnings around the time of your reboot.
8278) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc MAC error (Message 43738)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thanks. I forwarded that to the developer.
8279) Message boards : GPUs : Ivy Bridge HD 4000 graphics (Message 43731)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded.
8280) Message boards : BOINC client : [bug report, patch] Always running high priority (Message 43726)
Posted 23 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
@the HP problem: The developers already know and I thought that the fix was in 7.0.26s code.
8281) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc can`t connect (Message 43710)
Posted 23 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is it you're trying to say?
That BOINC Manager is just listening, not having established a connection with BOINC? But that's what it says when it complains that it cannot connect to a client.

What is PID 1516? Boincmgr.exe or boinc.exe?

Only when both BOINC Manager and the BOINC client are communicating with each other, will they be listed as Established. For instance, for me, it says:
        Local Address          Foreign Address
 TCP    127.0.0.1:31416        127.0.0.1:60777        ESTABLISHED     4336
 TCP    127.0.0.1:60777        127.0.0.1:31416        ESTABLISHED     4712

PID 4336 = Boinc.exe
PID 4712 = Boincmgr.exe

So normal communications.
8282) Message boards : Server programs : how to login http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/bioinfo_ops/ ??? (Message 43708)
Posted 23 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The user name and password required by your project are not root + its password, but an account you make on the project + its password. Compare it to the account you made to get access on this forum. It's such a (BOINC) account that you need.

And that's either done through the front page of the project->Create an account (http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/create_account_form.php), or through BOINC Manager->Add project->add URL to your project->New user->Fill in email + password. If done through BOINC Manager, the account's name will be the name of the operating system account that you made the account with. So if you're logged in as Admin, it'll be Admin.
8283) Message boards : Questions and problems : Have Problem with stubborn new project... & other questions (Message 43678)
Posted 22 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Is there a way to control the INSTANCES of any project running on multi-core systems?"

That's called CPU affinity and the developers have always answered that they aren't adding it as it isn't helping in general. It won't speed up anything.

"HOW can I install two or more copies of BOINC using separate directories for each install?"

Follow Vyper's blog.

PS: I understand the effort put into BOINC... for the general masses it's more than worth it IMHO. But for power users, it would be nice to let us setup BOINC the way we want...

If you say you understand the effort put into the program, you also know that it's based to run on deadlines set by the projects. And that therefore a "user-override-setting" will only do harm.

BOINC 7.0 has changed how to download work, there's a minimum amount and a maximum amount. Work will be fetched, from the highest-priority project, when we're under the minimum amount. That work will be minimum + additional.
8284) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc can`t connect (Message 43673)
Posted 22 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of firewall do you have on the Windows XP machine?

last night i downloaded and installed a 64bit version on another machine (win7)/4gb ram, the installation sequence was different, at some point i was requested for a project and login/pass info, in this case seti@home,

That's normal. When you install BOINC clean on a machine that's never had BOINC before, or where the data directory was removed, it'll offer you to add (a) project(s) at the end of the installation. This also shows that both the client and the manager are running and that they can communicate with each other, something that they don't do on your XP machine.

So something on your XP machine refuses to allow BOINC its parts, the client (boinc.exe) and the user interface (boincmgr.exe), to communicate with each other. You'll have to figure out what that is. If you don't use the Windows firewall, but a third party firewall (Kapersky, Norton, ZoneAlarm, Comodo, Outpost, etc.) then you will have to instruct that firewall how BOINC should pass.
8285) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc can`t connect (Message 43670)
Posted 22 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still sounds like a permission problem.
So, could you please uninstall BOINC and reinstall it? Or download the 7.0.26 installer and install that one.
8286) Message boards : Questions and problems : my CPU is very hot (Message 43669)
Posted 22 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I find that Primegrid and Einstein generate a lot more heat than Seti and Malariacontroldotnet. The latter generates the least heat of all.

I haven't checked amongst all projects yet, might be something to do when next I get bored. ;-)
8287) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc can`t connect (Message 43655)
Posted 21 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you checked in Windows task manager that the client (boinc.exe) is actually running?
How did you install BOINC? Do you remember? As service, or as normal user?
Did you have a GPU at one point and did you remove it without uninstalling its drivers?
Could it be that something else on your system is using port 31416?
You aren't trying to start a second BOINC Manager, are you?
also i don´t see any active conection under tools->option->conections
though i have internet access

That's normal. This option is only used by dial-up and VPN connections, not by xDSL, Cable and LAN connections, as then the OS takes care of the connection.
8288) Message boards : Questions and problems : my CPU is very hot (Message 43651)
Posted 21 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
A BOINC upgrade won't automatically heat up your CPU more than a previous BOINC did, since BOINC does not do any of the work, but the project science applications do all the work, and thus heat up your CPU.
So either a preference setting got reset (e.g. Use at most X% CPU time), or you are using local preferences which override the same web-preferences, or you did something else with the computer.

Have you ever tried cleaning the inside of that Mac, get the dust-bunnies out? As that's normally what's causing all this excessive heat. If this is a laptop, you may want to add cooling in the form of a laptop cooler, which are available in all sorts and for all kinds of prices. Or just not run BOINC on a laptop. Or not run specific projects on it. Some projects generate more heat than others.
8289) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 and Proxies (Message 43650)
Posted 21 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll email a developer. Have him pass by on this thread.
Do be patient on that, they're all in the US.
8290) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc can`t connect (Message 43649)
Posted 21 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of error message do you get?

"BOINC Manager cannot connect to a client" or something else?
8291) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cost question (Message 43648)
Posted 21 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, not really. It really depends on the motherboard+CPU you have in there and the amount of GPUs.

If it were pre-GPU era, I'd say ave 550W. But now I am not so sure.
8292) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc & BAM (Message 43647)
Posted 21 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know. I suppose you asked the same at the BAM forums? What did Willy say about it?
8293) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43639)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't ask why we do certain things the way we do them.

The developers have opted for hiding the majority of messages from view, since these were found to be threatening, worrisome, or perceived as all errors by people with no computer knowledge. However, if these people then come onto these forums, they --like you-- will say that there's a bug in BOINC.

We then ask to enable some of the debug flags that enable a lot more messages, and post a log about that. Through that more advanced log, those of us who can read that information overload, can see if there is a bug and forward that information plus (part of) that log to the developers.

If you keep on posting the way that you do, I see it as quite forcedly over-aggressive, I doubt there'll be anyone left who is interested in what you have to say or are trying to get help on. I sure ain't. I don't like your style.
8294) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cost question (Message 43636)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best thing to do is use a Power Supply Calculator. It's what we, who build our own systems, do.
8295) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error 0 with World Community Grid and BOINC 6.12.34 (Message 43625)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Update to 7.0.26, links available from the last post in the change log thread.
8296) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ver 7.0.25 and CUDA loss (Message 43624)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I saw somewhere that the 6700 series wasn't supported anymore

All versions of AMD GPUs are supported, it's just that some aren't recognized by name or group name. That's because that BOINC then doesn't have the right naming scheme included. Your GPU will then be an "Unknown AMD GPU". Besides that name, it'll run fine.

Detection problems are normally caused by:
- Driver problems.
- Service installation.
- Windows remote desktop usage.
8297) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 and Proxies (Message 43623)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any advice?

Update to 7.0.26, links and change log available from this post.

Edit: fixed link. :)
8298) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 7.0.25 ignoring exclusive apps (Message 43611)
Posted 19 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check that Activity is set to run based on preferences.
As here it works:



8299) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Priority Question (Message 43607)
Posted 19 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's called processor affinity and is not supported by BOINC. It will not ever be introduced either. You can reach the same sort of thing by just running BOINC, all projects at same resource share.

With BOINC 7.0.25, the REC-scheduler will try to run all projects with the same resource share for the same amount of time, even get the same amount of RAC (when combined with CreditNew). So at first you'll see that each project runs alone on all CPUs, but eventually a shift will happen where the projects are equally divided over the available processor cores.

Note: With mixed CPU and CPU+GPU projects, BOINC will initially get CPU and GPU work from the CPU+GPU project. A fast GPU drives REC so high, that priority for the CPU goes really low. It will eventually run those tasks when they go into EDF, but unless you micromanage not earlier. It will also not get more CPU tasks, because CPU projects have smaller REC and therefore higher priority.
8300) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cost question (Message 43597)
Posted 19 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on the CPU you have in there, the amount of cores, how many GPUs you run, how much memory, how much cooling and what kind, etc. etc.

There are people with just one computer, there are those with whole farms (20 and more). A typical computer with GPU that does work has a 550Watt PSU.

Now, there's a flaw in your calculations.
You say it's ((Watts*60*60*24)/(1000*60*60*24))*price*365, but it's really ((Watts / 1000) * 24) * price * 365 - see what I did there? You run in kiloWatt hour, so all you have to do is calculate KiloWatt (Watt divided by 1000) and multiply with 24 to get to the day amount in kWh.

You don't run kiloWatt per second per minute per hour.

I'd say, check against http://www.citytrf.net/costs_calculator.htm, which does it better.

My PC runs with a 550W PSU, 1 ATI GPU doing OpenCL work, 1 Intel i5-2500K CPU (4 cores), runs full bore (high load) for 10 hours a day and 24 hours in the weekend at cheaper rates, at 10 cents an hour. So (outside of holidays) these'll cost me at maximum ((550/1000)*10*0.10*261) + ((550/1000)*24*0.10*104) = €143.55 + €137.28 = €280.83 per year.

Added to that the running cost of leaving a computer on for 24 hours... I put mine to hibernate these days. Or turn it off during the day. The rest of the time the computer is either off or runs in low power mode.

Last year I managed to get 700 euros back from my energy bill, while the years before that I had to pay 1500 extra. After the last 1500 extra, I had a dual meter installed, one that runs 9pm-7am at a cheaper rate of ~ 10 cents (against 13 cents during day hours), set only my own computer to run BOINC and only during those hours. It also helps to invest in newer equipment. I ran a couple of P4s and a single core AMD before, but they're all upgraded now. The i3, i5 and i7 all go into a low power mode when they're not under high load. This helps a lot for energy conversing.
8301) Message boards : Questions and problems : Hoops and loops of installing 7.0.25 (Message 43595)
Posted 19 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem is not that Windows forgets

Ah, but it is. When you do an upgrade installation of BOINC, it's not BOINC that checks anything, but the Installer, which is a Windows Installer that holds the BOINC program components. It doesn't matter from which version to whichever next version you go...

The new BOINC its installer will invoke the previous BOINC its uninstaller. The previous BOINC version is stored as C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\{hexadecimal random but unique key}\BOINC.msi
Neither the BOINC in the new BOINC.msi archive, nor the BOINC already installed, will invoke the old BOINC its uninstaller.

So all Windows has to do is remember this path... and it forgets. These paths get deleted out of the registry. By who or what, we don't know. The path degrades. Normally when it's been in there for quite a bit of time.

It's really not the next BOINC versions which will know the path to the old BOINC version, as the {hexadecimal key} is really random and unique and isn't the same between our systems.
8302) Message boards : Questions and problems : When is version 7.0.26 going to be released (Message 43590)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
.26 is available for all platforms now. See the change log thread for change log and links to binaries.
8303) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43589)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.26 available for testing for all platforms.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.25 --> 7.0.26:

  • client: change some unsigned int to size_t in our versions of NVIDIA APIs. This apparently caused crashes (in app, not client, which I don't understand) for Einstein@Home. From Steffen Moller.
  • client: don't write deviceHandle to NVIDIA XML description. Um, pointers don't have any meaning outside the process.
  • client: if we fetch a master file and it contains no scheduler URLs, show a message of class INTERNAL_ERROR.
  • client/scheduler: make CUDA_DEVICE_PROP.totalGlobalMem a double, and remove dtotalGlobalMem. Although NVIDIA reports RAM size as a size_t, there's no reason to store it as an integer after that.
  • client: add PID to random stuff used to make host CPID, in case running multiple clients on same host.



Available installers:
Windows
- boinc_7.0.26_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.26_windows_x86_64.exe


Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.26_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.26_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.26_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.26_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.26_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

8304) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 / Win 7 64-bit / Manager not able to start (Message 43585)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I tried selecting Finnish as a language but I don't find any Finnish word from the manager after restart. In Options menu Finnish is still selected as a language.

Just checking... did you just exit & restart BOINC Manager or the client as well? As you'll need to restart both.
8305) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43581)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the "24 hours after (one) task completion" rule still stands. So the minimum is 24 hours, or a work request, whichever comes first.

These are all the reasons when to report:
1) 24 hours before deadline.
2) Connect Every X before deadline.
3) 24 hours after task completion.
4) Immediately if the upload completes later than either 1, 2, or 3 upon completion of the task.
5) On a trickle up message.
6) On a trickle down request.
7) On a server scheduled connection. Used, but I am not certain by which project.
8) On a request for new work.
9) When the user pushes the update button.
10) On a request from an account manager.
11) Report immediately every task, if "No new Task" is set.
12) Report immediately if CPU or network time-of-day override is within the next 30 minutes.
8306) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to limit exclusive GPU apps to certain GPUs (Message 43580)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, all the tags in cc_config.xml are for all or nowt. The only way to do what you want is to switch between two cc_config.xml files.

No need to request it either, as the developers are looking into ways to make the whole of BOINC easier to use, not more difficult.
8307) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to limit exclusive GPU apps to certain GPUs (Message 43573)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can use the <exclude_gpu> tag in cc_config.xml

<exclude_gpu>

Don't use the given GPU for the given project. If <device_num> is not specified, exclude all GPUs of the given type. <type> is required if your computer has more than one type of GPU; otherwise it can be omitted. <app> specifies the short name of an application (i.e. the <name> element within the <app> element in client_state.xml). If specified, only tasks for that app are excluded. You may include multiple <exclude_gpu> elements.


<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   [<device_num>N</device_num>]
   [<type>nvidia|ati</type>]
   [<app>appname</app>]
</exclude_gpu>


e.g.
<exclude_gpu>
   <url>http://albert.phys.uwm.edu</url>
   <device_num>0</device_num>
   <type>ati</type>
   <app>einsteinbinary_BRP4</app>
</exclude_gpu>

The above will tell the first ATI GPU in the system (device 0 = first device) to ignore the Albert project their OpenCL application. You can use multiple excludes per file.
8308) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc MAC error (Message 43568)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've gotten several answers from the developer, which I'll summarize here:
Corrupted downloads do occur so you might download a fresh copy and try again. By the way, the installers are not downloaded as .dmg files; they are .zip.

Upgrading from 6.12.35 does take several minutes. The very first sentence in the ReadMe file (only in English, I'm afraid) and written in bold type is:
> Installing BOINC may take several minutes; please be patient.

So have you tried just clicking the installer ONCE and then waiting it out?
8309) Message boards : Questions and problems : Hoops and loops of installing 7.0.25 (Message 43566)
Posted 17 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
(4) phew, why on earth should I keep an .msi file when the application is already installed?

You don't keep it, but Windows does. MSI stands for MicroSoft Installer. The inside of the .msi file is just a database, containing all the parts of the program that need to be installed in the directory.

When you uninstall BOINC, Windows uses the uninstaller built into the installer to uninstall BOINC. It'll need the old BOINC.msi file for that, as else it doesn't know what it needs to uninstall.

The problem of "where is the old BOINC.msi file?" is one created by Windows itself, as it's Windows which forgets where it put the correct BOINC.msi file in the first place.
8310) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error 0 with World Community Grid and BOINC 6.12.34 (Message 43563)
Posted 17 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
A couple of problems with the post at WCG:

1. It doesn't say for instance that you need to exit BOINC (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->File->Exit, check "Quit running tasks when exiting the Manager" (or similar words)->OK).
2. It also doesn't say that the file you're downloading is a ZIP archive file, a compressed file which needs to be decompressed before the file inside the archive is available for use. BOINC won't unzip it for you.

So, did you just drop the *.zip file in your BOINC programs directory and hoped for the best, or did you use WinZip, WinRAR, 7-zip or Windows its own archive decompresser, to get a file called libcurl.dll out of the archive and did you put that one in the BOINC programs directory, overwriting the original one?

The default directory where BOINC will install its executables to is:
Windows 32bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES\BOINC\
Windows 64bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES (x86)\BOINC\
Linux: wherever you are unpacking it/BOINC/
Macintosh: /Applications/BOINC/

After you're done, restart BOINC (Windows: Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager).
8311) Message boards : Questions and problems : When is version 7.0.26 going to be released (Message 43562)
Posted 17 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer ran into difficulties building the new libCURL, OpenSSL, Zlib and Sqlite3 libraries since there are projects out there that started dropping support for the program they were originally built with. As such he's rebuilding everything with a new version, which is slowing it all down.

As I understand it, the plan is to release .26 on all platforms with bug-fixes for all in them. Somewhere this week.
8312) Message boards : GPUs : Reserving GPU power (Message 43559)
Posted 17 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
With that said can it be done outside of boinc such as a speed modifier or inside linux kernel or something along these lines?

Any CPU throttling will also throttle the GPU, since it's the CPU that feeds the GPU. Meaning that when this feed slows down, you slow down the data feeding into the GPU, thus less heat. You can use BOINC its own "Use at most X% CPU time" for that.

Also can it be limited to only use 4 cuda cores instead of the 8 in the processor?

No, this isn't possible. Even when you run multiple tasks simultaneously on the same GPU, will they all be using all cores in that GPU at the same time. It's like running multiple tasks on a single core CPU, it'll get there, just slowly.
8313) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc MAC error (Message 43556)
Posted 17 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you Tommy, I forwarded your problem to the Mac developer. I'm sure he'll be along today to give help or ask more details.
8314) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43549)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
By allowing BOINC to run for several days with the zero and zero days setting. BOINC 7 has a new work fetch module and new separated CPU and GPU schedulers. It will have to learn anew about how you run things. It can't do that without starting with one task per hardware core per project.

It won't do it immediately, there is no way to force it. But your BOINC 6.10 or 6.12 didn't do this immediately either, it had to learn this as well.

So if you're just willing to let go of things, not look in BOINC Manager every moment of the day what it is doing, you will eventually see that it will do things the old way. Just one task per project per core, depending on resource share and REC (the new debt).
8315) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 and Proxies (Message 43547)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah good.

Then for others looking for the file:
32bit new LibCurl file (compressed).
64bit new LibCurl file (compressed).
8316) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43542)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have given you a straight and simple answer.

Want to have the difficult answer? As I posted here:
I have the same problem with version 7. Each task would complete, but BOINC Manager would not request new ones. I do not consider myself stupid, but the explanation of the parameters for minimum and maximum work buffers in the network preferences is VERY difficult to understand.

Is normal situation, for all.
The old BOINC would do work requests almost whenever it felt like it, but with BOINC 7.0 it'll wait until you reach the minimum buffer as set through the "Minimum work buffer" value. This does mean that when there's a couple of tasks in the list that have totally wrong estimates as how long they'll take, say some Seti Astropulse with an estimate of 145 hours, but they only run for 6... that BOINC can reach bottom with only as many tasks in cache as you have hardware (CPU + GPU) cores.

But anyway, the old BOINC did a "connect to" + additional work. The "connect to" was the interval with which BOINC would contact projects, while the additional work value was what extra cache you wanted. This didn't work too well, for a lot of reasons.

With BOINC 7.0 this has been changed to a Minimum work buffer + Maximum additional work buffer. Which do exactly what they say on the tin... at least when your BOINC does one project.

There's a bug in the software that sometimes rears its ugly head when more than 2 projects are attached and allowed to fetch work. As I understand it it's a difficult bug to track, and there's even the thing that when you leave BOINC well alone, eventually, after a week or what, it'll fix itself.

But you have to leave BOINC alone anyway, since this version of BOINC uses a totally new, from the ground up rewritten CPU and GPU scheduler plus work fetch module. These cannot be compared to BOINC 6's versions, they use their own values in the code and the program, which is one the reason why when you move over to 7.0 you can't easily return to 6.xx, and are the main reason why this BOINC reacts differently from previous versions.

BOINC 7 will have to learn all over again about the project's applications, their different run times, how different the estimates are from reality etc. This will take a week or more. Depends on how much your machine is on and when BOINC is allowed to do work on CPU and if applicable GPU.


I didn't program BOINC, yet when I tried to put an explanation on how this new BOINC works in the User Manual Wiki, I was called back by the developers who found this information too strenuous for the poor souls of the simple BOINC user, it would scare them away. And as such, hey presto, there's no explanation anywhere why BOINC 7.0 works the way that it does, other than in quite technical language.

Still want to lay blame in all the wrong places?
8317) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7 not getting tasks (Message 43537)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have the same problem with version 7. Each task would complete, but BOINC Manager would not request new ones. I do not consider myself stupid, but the explanation of the parameters for minimum and maximum work buffers in the network preferences is VERY difficult to understand.

Is normal situation, for all.
The old BOINC would do work requests almost whenever it felt like it, but with BOINC 7.0 it'll wait until you reach the minimum buffer as set through the "Minimum work buffer" value. This does mean that when there's a couple of tasks in the list that have totally wrong estimates as how long they'll take, say some Seti Astropulse with an estimate of 145 hours, but they only run for 6... that BOINC can reach bottom with only as many tasks in cache as you have hardware (CPU + GPU) cores.

But anyway, the old BOINC did a "connect to" + additional work. The "connect to" was the interval with which BOINC would contact projects, while the additional work value was what extra cache you wanted. This didn't work too well, for a lot of reasons.

With BOINC 7.0 this has been changed to a Minimum work buffer + Maximum additional work buffer. Which do exactly what they say on the tin... at least when your BOINC does one project.

There's a bug in the software that sometimes rears its ugly head when more than 2 projects are attached and allowed to fetch work. As I understand it it's a difficult bug to track, and there's even the thing that when you leave BOINC well alone, eventually, after a week or what, it'll fix itself.

But you have to leave BOINC alone anyway, since this version of BOINC uses a totally new, from the ground up rewritten CPU and GPU scheduler plus work fetch module. These cannot be compared to BOINC 6's versions, they use their own values in the code and the program, which is one the reason why when you move over to 7.0 you can't easily return to 6.xx, and are the main reason why this BOINC reacts differently from previous versions.

BOINC 7 will have to learn all over again about the project's applications, their different run times, how different the estimates are from reality etc. This will take a week or more. Depends on how much your machine is on and when BOINC is allowed to do work on CPU and if applicable GPU.
8318) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43536)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Back in the early 6.x release the Min and Additional work buffer fields were set to ZERO so that projects would only get a single task - not multiple. Then you would have many tasks but only from individual projects. How can we do this in the new 7.0.25 version?

I'd almost say guess... ;-)
But uhm, how about setting both to ZERO again?

The minimum work buffer setting sets the minimum amount of work you're going to request.
The maximum additional work buffer sets the additional days worth of work you want to have.

So if you only want 1 task for each CPU + GPU core, you set 0 + 0, which will fetch 1 second per hardware core.
8319) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43535)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.x always uploaded the results almost immediately (~1min after completion). 7.x lets the results sit there by the multiple dozens for an indeterminate period of time.

Yup, plus it will ignore the <report_results_immediately/> switch in cc_config.xml
The change is that it will try to do a work request at the same time as it's reporting work.

Only when a time-of-day change (CPU and Network) is happening in the next 30 minutes, will BOINC 7 report work immediately.
8320) Message boards : Questions and problems : ALERT: elapsed time bug in Boinc 6.12.34 (x86) (Message 43533)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As I said, checkpointing will write its state of that point in time to disk. There is no real time checkpointing, where the application writes its state to disk every second of the task. So whenever you exit BOINC & restart later, it'll start from an earlier point in time, as that's what is written in the checkpoint file.

And even if you wanted it fixed, you'd have to go to Primegrid and ask the application's developer about it, as it's his application that does this checkpointing. BOINC only shows what the application reports, perceived right or wrong.
8321) Message boards : Questions and problems : ALERT: elapsed time bug in Boinc 6.12.34 (x86) (Message 43523)
Posted 15 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What project is this for?
Which application of that project?
Does the application checkpoint, aka write its state to disk?
If it does, does it follow the computing preference of "Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every X seconds"?

When an application checkpoints, as said it writes the state of where it is in the task to disk. When you quit BOINC before a next checkpoint could be made, the earlier checkpoint will be used when you continue. This shows as your 'bug', which isn't a bug. It just restarts from the earlier point in time as is noted in the checkpoint file in the tasks slot directory.
8322) Message boards : Questions and problems : ALERT: elapsed time bug in Boinc 6.12.34 (x86) (Message 43521)
Posted 15 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.12 is no longer being updated. BOINC 7.0 is the latest version.
8323) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 / Win 7 64-bit / Manager not able to start (Message 43506)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
boinctray.exe starts but nothing appears into screen or tray and have to kill it from Windows Task Manager.

Boinctray.exe is the BOINC idle tracking tool for Windows 7 and Vista. Contrary to what its name suggests, it doesn't show up in a window or as an icon. It merely runs in the background checking for mouse movements and keyboard taps. It's started automatically from the registry at Windows start.
8324) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on netbook (Message 43505)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why yes, the version of BOINC has nothing to do with the hardware it runs on. Maybe the version of Windows you run, but other than that...
8325) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc MAC error (Message 43493)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Jord,

This was fixed in 6.12.41, and is also in 7.0.x:
Thread at Milkyway forums.

There were _many_ Mac bugs in 6.12.35 which were fixed in later versions of the 6.12. series, but they were never made a public release because of the push to get out 7.0.x. Unfortunately, that took much longer than we had hoped.

All Intel Mac users should upgrade to 7.0.25.

Cheers,
--Charlie
8326) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc MAC error (Message 43492)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did forward it to the developer, however, do know that 6.12 is deprecated, it won't be added to anymore, no matter how big any potentially found bug is.
I did forward it in case this thing is something that may be in the 7.0 client as well and needs to be fixed from thereon in.

Any answers I get I'll put back here.
8327) Message boards : GPUs : Reserving GPU power (Message 43491)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default use of the GPU to do calculative work, is to only use the GPU when the system is idle. So that means that you have overridden this preference and said that it can be used at all times.

In web preferences this means that
"Suspend GPU work while computer is in use? " is set to No, where it should be Yes.

In local preferences this means that
"Use GPU while computer is in use" is checked where it should be unchecked.
(Local preferences override their web-preferences counterparts.)

No, there is no way to only use part of the GPU. It's either use, or don't use, no middle way.
8328) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem adding .EXE (Message 43489)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
the error is that it doesn't exit with .exe

You can rename the name from all capitals to all small case, that won't change the ability to run the thing or not.
8329) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 Linux x86_64 can't find libnotify.so.4 (Message 43481)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm more of a Windows person, but you may want to check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient#Linux. Not sure if the Linux build commands are the same throughout the distros.
8330) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Wishlist for Mac (Message 43476)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Point BOINC to any other drive in Mac for installation or just drive space using. Installing BOINC only to System drive is not good for me (or using for BOINC purposes).

Please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Moving_BOINC_Manager_or_BOINC_Data_Folder_to_a_Different_Drive for how to do that.

As for ZFS support, if BOINC can't be stored on and run from that file system, then I think you should ask the ZFS maintainers to add BOINC support, not the other way around. See http://code.google.com/p/maczfs/ for more information. (It's like asking BOINC for NTFS support...)
8331) Message boards : Questions and problems : Restart Kills BOINC Manager (Message 43472)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hmmm, which version of Windows do you use?
Is that 32bit or 64bit?

Which BOINC installer did you download, the 32bit or 64bit version?

And lastly, what bitness did your old installer have?
8332) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu Update Manager update to 7.0.24 today caused many errors (Message 43460)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
7.0.26 is going to be release today, the developer assured me.
However, this is the Berkeley version that'll be released, not the one through the package manager. Whenever that's going to be released, only the package maintainers know.

The Berkeley installer installs in a different way than the one from repositories. See here for the differences.
8333) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 and Proxies (Message 43457)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your Windows is XP?
What kind of proxies are you using?
Are you using a client configuration (cc_config.xml) file with any of the following info in it?

<cc_config>
      <log_flags>
      </log_flags>
    <options>
     <proxy_info>
    [ <http_server_name></http_server_name> ]
    [ <http_server_port>80</http_server_port> ]
    [ <http_user_name></http_user_name> ]
    [ <http_user_passwd></http_user_passwd> ]
    [ <socks_version>5</socks_version> ]
    [ <socks_server_name></socks_server_name> ]
    [ <socks_server_port>80</socks_server_port> ]
    [ <socks5_user_name></socks5_user_name> ]
    [ <socks5_user_passwd></socks5_user_passwd> ]
    [ <no_proxy>list of hostnames for which proxy not used</no_proxy> ]
     </proxy_info>
    </options>
</cc_config>
8334) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 / Win 7 64-bit / Manager not able to start (Message 43455)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Additional information from the developer. According to the crash log, your BOINC Manager is complaining about the skin missing information in the XML file.

If you are using a custom skin for BOINC Manager simple view, you will have to reset this to the default setting. You can do so from the registry:

Use regedit.exe to open the registry.
Navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager
Change the Skin value to Default if it is something other than that.

Exit regedit. No need to reboot, just try to start BOINC Manager now (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager) and report back how that went.
8335) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 / Win 7 64-bit / Manager not able to start (Message 43454)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows Firewall is not active at all as I am using Avast!. I turned of the Internet connetion and suspended Avast! services - no change, boincmgr.exe will not start-up correctly.

So add boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe, boinccmd.exe, boinctray.exe and boinc.scr to the exception option in Avast.
Boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe need to be able to talk to each other through TCP 31416.
Boinc.exe needs to be able to talk to the internet on TCP 80 and 443.

In the list of installed programs there is not an option to repair BOINC, only to remove.

I see that now.. OK, then try an uninstall & reinstall.

How did you install BOINC?
With the Protected application execution option checked, or not?
When you check the option to show processes of all users, does Boinc.exe then show up?
8336) Message boards : Questions and problems : Restart Kills BOINC Manager (Message 43453)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing I can think of is a totally screwed permissions thing. So here's what you can do. Set No new tasks on all your projects, run all the work to completion, upload & report it.

Then uninstall BOINC.
Go to the data directory, copy all the account*.xml files to a safe place.
Then delete the data directory. (Default places be in this FAQ).

Next follow this FAQ all up to point 4.

When that's done, reboot the computer.

Now install BOINC 7.0.25 as clean. It will go through making all the limited user accounts and groups again, so you will need a new reboot at the end of installing BOINC. Make sure to check the "Allow all users" mark in the installer (although it does this automatically on clean installs).

After the reboot, exit BOINC (Right-click on the BOINC icon in the system tray->Exit->OK.), then navigate to where you put those account*.xml files, copy them and put them back in the new BOINC data directory. That way you don't have to add all your projects again. Then restart BOINC (Start->All programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager).
8337) Message boards : Questions and problems : Restart Kills BOINC Manager (Message 43447)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds more like the path to BOINC Manager isn't correct or a permissions problem. You say that you recovered the BOINC (programs) directory from a wrecked or lost partition? Have you since reinstalled/repair installed BOINC? If not, try that first.
8338) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu Update Manager update to 7.0.24 today caused many errors (Message 43446)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
I think this issue is now resolved, the fix will be in the 7.0.26 build. IIRC, this is the issue Bernd (Machenschalk, Einstein) and Stephen (Maclagan, Claggy) fixed with the 64-bit int to 32-bit int overflow issue.
8339) Message boards : Questions and problems : Restart Kills BOINC Manager (Message 43442)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
First thing to check when you get the "BOINC Manager is unable to connect to a client" message, is whether that client is actually running. In Windows Task Manager, check in the Processes tab in there's a Boinc.exe; when BOINC is installed as a service (that's called protected application execution in the installer), you'll need to check the option to see processes from all users.

Also make sure that you allowed BOINC through your firewall:
Please check in Windows firewall, Exceptions, if boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are showing there. If they aren't, add them

Start->Control Panel->System and Security->Windows firewall->Allow a program through Windows firewall;

Boinc.exe may be showing as just that, or as BOINC Client.
Boinmgr.exe may be showing as just that, or as BOINC Manager.

Click Change settings, then when boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are in the list, add a check mark in front of them and one for Home/Work (Private).
If they aren't in the list, click "Allow another program", browse to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and one by one add boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe then add the check mark in front and at Home/Work (Private). When done, click OK at the bottom. No need to reboot or anything.

Contrary to what you say in the title of this thread, your BOINC Manager seems to be running fine. It's just that it doesn't see which client to connect to. Remember that BOINC consists of several parts, of which the client (boinc.exe) and the GUI (boincmgr.exe) are the main parts. The client does all the decision making, the GUI is just a means to allow you to command the client somewhat easier, else it would have to happen solely through the command line.
8340) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspending Issue (Message 43441)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need to bump. I have forwarded it to the developers, but as I understand it, until David returns from China coming Sunday, not much is happening.
8341) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.25 / Win 7 64-bit / Manager not able to start (Message 43436)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What if you repair install BOINC?
Also please check in Windows firewall, Exceptions, if boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are showing there. If they aren't, add them

Start->Control Panel->System and Security->Windows firewall->Allow a program through Windows firewall;

Boinc.exe may be showing as just that, or as BOINC Client.
Boinmgr.exe may be showing as just that, or as BOINC Manager.

Click Change settings, then when boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are in the list, add a check mark in front of them and one for Home/Work (Private).
If they aren't in the list, click "Allow another program", browse to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and one by one add boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe then add the check mark in front and at Home/Work (Private). When done, click OK at the bottom. No need to reboot or anything.
8342) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINCMgr Column order changed on version upgrade. (Message 43430)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7 still has a long way to go. The new Advanced GUI is still on its way, it just wasn't released with BOINC 7.0
Which leaves room for it to appear in 7.2, 7.4, 7.6, 7.8, 7.10, 7.12 or 7.14, if not another version.

7.0 has a new Simple View GUI + new skinning options.
Other things still on the to do list are still on the to do list. They'll be done eventually. Just not in the just release 7.0 series.
8343) Message boards : Questions and problems : Select A Computer? (Message 43429)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is because it's a new BOINC version that you installed. Installing newer software will reset these MRU boxes. That's not a bug, it's a Windows feature.

Compare it to buying a new TV. That won't come preset with all your favorite channels. It won't automagically take over the presets of your old TV either. You will have to set it up.

So the same thing here, you will have to fill in what you want.
May I just ask what it is you're trying to accomplish? Is something not working?

You do know what this option is for? It's to allow you to control BOINC on a different computer, somewhere on the network, or through an SSH tunneling connection to another place.

If you have the message that BOINC Manager cannot connect to a client, then make sure that you allowed BOINC through your firewall:
Please check in Windows firewall, Exceptions, if boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are showing there. If they aren't, add them

Start->Control Panel->System and Security->Windows firewall->Allow a program through Windows firewall;

Boinc.exe may be showing as just that, or as BOINC Client.
Boinmgr.exe may be showing as just that, or as BOINC Manager.

Click Change settings, then when boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are in the list, add a check mark in front of them and one for Home/Work (Private).
If they aren't in the list, click "Allow another program", browse to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and one by one add boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe then add the check mark in front and at Home/Work (Private). When done, click OK at the bottom. No need to reboot or anything.
8344) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu Update Manager update to 7.0.24 today caused many errors (Message 43426)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then we still have at least 4 hours to go before the Linux developer can give me an answer. Sorry, but apparently they also need sleep. Weird. ;-)
8345) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu Update Manager update to 7.0.24 today caused many errors (Message 43424)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to update to 7.0.25 first, although I don't think that makes a difference since there was only a change for the Mac for 7.0.25 and the developers needed a uniform number as the release client.

I'll be waiting for Trog Dog to pass by, hope he has a better answer, and hopefully he asks both of you to do all those ldd commands. ;-)
In the mean time I will inform the developers, on a possible problem.
8346) Message boards : Questions and problems : Preventing Win7 from sleeping if BOINC is running? (Message 43423)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had a scheduler running under Windows that would put the computer to sleep, but should only do that when the computer was idle. That didn't work.

I only want the computer to go to sleep on week days, after 7am, when BOINC has stopped due to time-of-day (and thus the computer is idle).

I don't want it to go to sleep during the weekend, when override says BOINC can continue, however, the sleep scheduler also put the computer to sleep here, despite all my settings for "only when the computer is idle".

So I still have to go back and figure it out.
8347) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.25 install / uninstall nightmare:- discuss (Message 43421)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
From the Release Notes:
Known Issues on Windows

Protected Application Execution (Service) Installation, GPU detection and Windows XP

Due to problems with up-to-date GPU drivers causing BOINC to crash or hang, it was decided that for all versions of Windows the GPU detection will no longer work when BOINC is installed as a service, or protected application execution. This may change in a future version, but only after the GPU manufacturers have adjusted their driver code. So even in Windows 2000 and XP you can now no longer install BOINC as a service yet still have it detect your GPU(s) and run work on it. This change is present from 6.12.38 onwards.
8348) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Request: More controllable RAM usage (Message 43410)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
With RAM being cheap, and most projects not taking up that much RAM --while when you suspend tasks or have them switched out with "Leave application in memory" this takes up virtual memory, not RAM-- I don't really see the use of it.

Unless you mean something else... Care to explain this a little better?
What do you mean by:
- short CPU Usage Peaks?
- a timeout option? What must time out? When?
- an unloading of BOINC for the exclusive Application tab?
8349) Message boards : Questions and problems : Select A Computer? (Message 43409)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you explain that a tiny bit better, please, as I haven't got a clue what you're asking.

You installed BOINC 7.0.25 - 64bit, and then what did you do or expect?
8350) Message boards : Questions and problems : Extremely high estimated time (Message 43405)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Let it run. This is a side-effect of the new scheduler built into BOINC. It was rebuild from the ground up, so old values from the previous scheduler are no longer used. BOINC has to learn again how long tasks take. This will take a couple of tasks, as long as you let it be. Just as it will have done in the past with the older BOINC version(s).
8351) Message boards : Questions and problems : New scheduler issue (Message 43401)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you make a cc_config.xml file, or add to one you already have, and put in it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<app_msg_receive>1</app_msg_receive>
<app_msg_send>1</app_msg_send>
<mem_usage_debug>1</mem_usage_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Save it in your BOINC data directory.
Let BOINC know about it, by either exiting BOINC & restarting it, or opening BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file.
The output will be in the Event Log. Let it output for at least 5 minutes, then copy the part of the log with these debug messages in them.
Paste the messages here in an answer window.

Next remove the old cc_config.xml file's lines, and in their place put the following:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Let BOINC know about it in the same manner as above, then let it run for 3 iterations. Next copy the messages, and post them here in a separate answer window from the one above.

You can now fix your cc_config.xml file, or remove it, then make BOINC re-read it again in the same manner as above.
8352) Message boards : Questions and problems : New scheduler issue (Message 43398)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you tried a reboot?

If it says 'scheduler wait' the application cannot (re)start for some reason. Probably BOINC temporary exit has been invoked. Check in the slot directory of the task that's hung for stderr and check that for clues.

It's not really a BOINC problem, it's an application problem. BOINC noticed the application can't (re)start and is keeping it on hold until conditions change. It will in intervals try to run it again. In this case, the task status shown in the Manager should be "Scheduler wait: Waiting to acquire lock".
8353) Message boards : Questions and problems : New scheduler issue (Message 43392)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The last five WUs, the ones I assume should be fine to run for being single-threaded, say "Waiting to run (Scheduler wait)".

This message means that they've run out of memory to run in. So that's probably why none of them will restart. How much memory does the computer have, how much is BOINC allowed to use, how much are these tasks expecting to use, what else could be taking up a load of memory on that computer (outside of BOINC), have you tried a reboot?
8354) Message boards : BOINC client : Intelligent GPU computing control (crossfire/sli) (Message 43376)
Posted 10 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are there any plans to implement the logic of switching between one and two GPUs based on user activity?

None that I know of, but you can always ask for it as an Enhancement on Trac or on the BOINC Developers email list.
8355) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43374)
Posted 10 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, in general, for others reading here. Do know, that the scheduling code has been rewritten from the ground up. It will not go and fetch work, or schedule which projects to run, as previous versions did.

So rather than just run it for an hour, run it for 2 weeks, try to learn what it does differently. See how the new work fetch methods are now based on a low water mark and a high water mark. Find how BOINC won't immediately after uploading & reporting work ask for new work, but will only do so when it's past the low water mark.

E.g. if you wanted at least a day's worth of work:
In 6.12 and before, you'd set connect to interval to 0.01 and additional work to 1.0

In 7.0 you set minimum work buffer to 1.0 and max additional work buffer to 0.01
8356) Message boards : BOINC client : GPU work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43370)
Posted 10 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
We need more data from the logs, and for that you need to make cc_config.xml file with correct debug flags in them.

Make a Client_configuration (cc_config.xml) file and add into it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Save it in your BOINC data directory.
Let BOINC know about it, by either exiting BOINC & restarting it, or opening BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file.
The output will be in the Event Log. Let it output for at least 5 minutes, then copy the part of the log with these debug messages in them, and stop BOINC.

Remove the old cc_config.xml file's lines, and in their place put the following:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Run this in the same manner as described above.
After 5 minutes, copy that part of the log, add it to the previous part (like in Notepad), and send this file to David Anderson with a description of what you think is wrong and how it should work. You can find his address here.

Please do not post the output in the forums, as then I end up copying it all and sending it off to David.
8357) Message boards : BOINC client : Intelligent GPU computing control (crossfire/sli) (Message 43369)
Posted 10 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not wanting to maintain an up-to-date list of all my games in bonic cc_config file

You do know that BOINC 7.0 has this integrated in the GUI now, don't you?
No need to manually add to the cc_config.xml file, just go through Tools->Preferences->Exclusive applications, to end up at:

Adding programs to this list will take immediately, no need to re-read the config file or restart BOINC.
8358) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspending Issue (Message 43363)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, hold on, are you using 7.0.23 because that's what the links linked to?
All links now point to 7.0.25, so please try updating to that version first.

If 7.0.23 was a typo on your part, ignore my request. :)
I have sent word about your problem to the developers, am waiting for an answer.
8359) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.0 released to public (Message 43360)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You got all of them to choose from. ;-)
But make it Q&P, that's as good a place as any.
8360) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.0 released to public (Message 43358)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok, would you mind posting a new thread on that in the forums? It's easier to point that out to the developers, than posts in this thread.
8361) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running Test4Theory (Message 43357)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there any need for me to post the file here?

No no, do NOT post the file's contents here in the forums.
It contains your account key.
With that key, anyone could log in to your account at T4T and take it over.

So don't do that, just email it to the developer.
8362) Message boards : BOINC client : massive work fetch bug in 7.0.25 (Message 43356)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Running away from something like this isn't going to help anyone. So, if you would please be so kind as to:

Make a [trac]Wiki:Client_configuration[/trac] (cc_config.xml) file and add into it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Save it in your BOINC data directory.
Let BOINC know about it, by either exiting BOINC & restarting it, or opening BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file.
The output will be in the Event Log. Let it output for at least 5 minutes, then copy the part of the log with these debug messages in them, and stop BOINC.

Remove the old cc_config.xml file's lines, and in their place put the following:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Run this in the same manner as described above.
After 5 minutes, copy that part of the log, add it to the previous part (like in Notepad), and send this file to David Anderson with a description of what you think is wrong, how it should work and where in the logs it isn't. You can find his address here.

As for your question whether or not we tested this version, of course we did. The developers do not chuck untested applications in your lap, however, we can't test every possible combination of hardware + projects that exist, as then no BOINC version will ever be released. Also of note, it's very possible that this is a project scheduler problem. It wouldn't be the first.

We're always on the lookout for alpha testers, so if you think you can do better than the rest of us, go to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AlphaInstructions and follow the instructions. It is that simple.
8363) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.0 released to public (Message 43353)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
* The link to the x86-64 installation script points to 7.0.23.

Fixed, as is the Mac OS X link. Thanks.

* A couple of x86-64 Linux hosts are stuck in suspended mode because the 7.0.25 client considers that the computer is in use, though there's no one logged on.

Can you reach them?
What's their setting of the famous <suspend_cpu_usage>X</suspend_cpu_usage> value (While processor usage is less than X percent)?
8364) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task runs 3 hrs, switch off computer, only 15 mins work shown (Message 43352)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please pass by on this thread and provide us with some more information, please?
8365) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running Test4Theory (Message 43350)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, then it's a T4T problem and one with their scheduler code.

But, you're in luck. I was talking to one of the BOINC developers while I saw your posts come by. He asks if you could please send your sched_request_lhcathome2.cern.ch_test4theory.xml file to him in email. You can find this file in your BOINC Data directory, default places of which can be found in this FAQ.

I will send you the developer's name and email address in Private Message.
8366) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running Test4Theory (Message 43344)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does it only happen to tasks from T4T, or do you see that message at work requests from other projects as well?
8367) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.0 released to public (Message 43341)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0 does not have the Virtual Box application integrated. That's something for a future version of BOINC. So for the moment you still need to install the separate virtual box application.
8368) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43339)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

BOINC 7.0 is now available for public use. This release includes numerous bug fixes and new features.

Here are the big ticket items:

*         Localized/Accessible Simple GUI

*         OpenCL Support

*         Improved Virtual Machine Support

*         Improved Client Scheduler



Download: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php

Release Notes: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes

Revision History: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VersionHistory



----- Rom

BOINC Development Group
8369) Message boards : News : BOINC 7.0 released to public (Message 43336)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those of you wondering where to get it from: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
8370) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running Test4Theory (Message 43335)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, first off, may we have some more information?
BOINC version number (32bit or 64bit)?
Virtual Box version number?
Operating system (32bit or 64bit)?

What is giving you the error message?
If it's in your messages, please post 10 lines on either side of the message in the forums here.
Where is your BOINC Data directory?
Can the account the you run BOINC with read/write from/to that directory?

Can you give a link to your system at T4T?
Can you give a link to your thread at T4T?
8371) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to reinstall BOINC (Message 43331)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No older version will work, until you fixed the Windows problem of it misplacing where it put the old MSI file. This isn't a BOINC problem, but purely a Windows-lost-track-of-where-it-itself-put-this-file problem.

If you want to remove the registry entry, then you first have to figure out which BOINC.MSI file is the last one on the system , as that's the only file that Windows keeps track of in the registry.

Then that one will live at
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Installer\Products\
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData\
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\
HKEY_USERS\[long and difficult number]\Software\Microsoft\Installer\Products\

Or just search for BOINC in the registry. If you do, leave the following keys well alone:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley

These are the main entries for the BOINC program and data directory and removing these will not fix any problems you have with the Windows installer.
8372) Message boards : Questions and problems : XML account manager request doesn't indicate encoding (Message 43330)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
PS: Could you tell me how to activate debug in stdoutae.txt please ?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
8373) Message boards : Questions and problems : XML account manager request doesn't indicate encoding (Message 43320)
Posted 8 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
- Have boinc not write the wrong word "défault" but "default" for the default venue in the french version request (acct_mgr_request.xml)

As far as I know, BOINC doesn't do this. It will always use the Default or ---, Home, School, Work venues, no matter what language you use. If you have a Défault venue, you must've made it through BAM yourself, since BAM allows for the making of personal venues.

- Explain me how to install boinc in english

BOINC Manager Advanced view->Tools->Display and network options->Set language to English (US)->OK->Exit and restart BOINC completely (both client and GUI).

But that won't fix the venue, since, as I said, the standard venue names don't change under other languages, and even if they did then this was a browser thing, not that of the client. The browser shows you in your language all about the project, the exports to the client will happen in one standard language.

By the way, BOINC 6.12 still uses its own non XML compliant XML. You can open and write all the XML files in Notepad, if you so wish. No need for a special XML writer. That XML was specially developed for BOINC and has nothing to do with the real XML.

BOINC 7.0 has some adjustments in this area. BOINC 6.12 is also no longer being developed, there will be no updates coming out for it.
8374) Message boards : Questions and problems : my name and new password do not work (add projects) (Message 43316)
Posted 8 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see When requesting help..., before you post more cryptic messages.
8375) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC pause and resumes (Message 43308)
Posted 7 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on how you paused BOINC. If with the Snooze option on the icon in the system tray, then do know that Snooze will only run for an hour.

You're better off using the <exclusive_app> option in cc_config.xml
If you now update to BOINC 7.0.25, which is going to be mainstream soon, then you can add programs through the local advanced preferences window. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Local_preferences#Exclusive_applications for more information.

Download links to 7.0.25 can be found in the last post in the Change Log thread.
8376) Message boards : Questions and problems : task management is useless (Message 43302)
Posted 7 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
An analogy:

You start work tomorrow, on a completely new job.
* You don't know how long the job will take precisely, you've only been given an estimate.
* You don't know how long you will be there, you only know that the work you have needs to be done in 14 days exactly.
* Due to circumstances beyond your control, 3 hours into the work, the power goes down. This power outage lasts another 3 days. You can't work in the pitch black dark.
* When the power has returned, you start working again. Now after 5 hours the power goes down and it doesn't return for another 7 days.
* You do know that when all the work is done, you will get 75 million pieces of gold.

Some questions:
. Will you finish the work?
. How do you know that you will finish the work?
. Will you try to do as much of it as possible, or mosey on and shrug at the world?

You're doing the same to BOINC.
You decide that it needs to do this big amount of work, that it really needs a couple of days for, in an as short amount of time as possible. You turn the power off on it and don't return for hours, if not days.

At the same time, you don't want BOINC to learn either, but instead decide for it what work it should run and when to do so. We call that micromanaging, and it's totally not necessary.

You have the prior knowledge of how long the computer with BOINC on it is going to be on, or at least a good guess. You have the prior knowledge if BOINC is allowed to work on while the computer is in use, or not. So you can decide for BOINC to run with as lean a cache as possible, but also need to learn to have the patience to allow BOINC to learn about this.

So you set as minimum an amount of cache as possible. Not a Minimum of 7 days and a maximum of 10 days, when you know up front that the computer is only going to be on for 3 days out of those 17.

And if you can't do that, but instead keep nagging about things you resent, and how BOINC should do things your way and everyone who's trying to teach you how it works should go the high way, well, then you get to that point where you're going to be ignored. Which from this moment onwards, I am going to do.

Your personal attack on me was unwarranted. You've shot yourself in the foot, as I will no longer help you, ever. Arriverdeci, so long.
8377) Message boards : Questions and problems : yet another newb with questions =( (Message 43300)
Posted 7 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5925 for the bits of more info our helpers would expect, plus things you yourself can do already.
8378) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43297)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.25 to be released to the public for all platforms


Available installers:
Windows
- boinc_7.0.25_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.25_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.25_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.25_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.25_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.25_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.25_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
8379) Message boards : Questions and problems : task management is useless (Message 43296)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem is that when there is limited computing time available things go wrong because we run the risk of no task completing on time (being weeks late).

That is no problem, because of the redundancy built into BOINC. It would be a problem if the only option projects had was to send out one task to one computer and nothing more, but they don't. When your computer does not send back a result by the deadline, that task is just sent out to another computer, all the way until one or more computers return the result file that the project is waiting for.

What i want ?: I want boinc to start and complete ONE task at a time

Then either allow BOINC to learn your schedule, without forcing it to do things your way. Stop micromanaging BOINC. Just set preferences correctly and allow BOINC to use them.

BOINC 7 is on its way, it will change the way that work is being fetched and stored. Minimum work amounts will truly be minimum work amounts. So a minimum work amount of 0.1 days will probably be a couple of tasks at the most, depending on the project.

And otherwise, as I said in this post in this thread, add the appropriate debug flags (<rr_simulation/> and <cpu_sched_debug/> and possibly <work_fetch_debug> in this case) and send a report in to the BOINC alpha email list (registration required).

It truly is that brilliantly simple. It's the direct way into the developers' email boxes. Others use it, so why can't you?
8380) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug reporting (Message 43294)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Its unfortunate that for whatever reason, there is no burning desire to fix some of the issues that many are reporting.

The reason is simple: Too many problems, too little time, too few good men. May I remind you that the whole of the BOINC development team consists of 3 people, one of which is only part-time busy with BOINC. There are a couple volunteer developers as well, but nothing major.

There are plenty of bugs still open, while new ones are added every now and then. If not through Trac, then through the by you so despised alpha email list.

I know the to do list of one of the developers, it's really a wonder that he still has time free for other things than programming BOINC 24/7. But apparently, that's what you want them to do. Family, friends, pets, eating, sleeping, household, shopping, vacations.. should be abolished? For what? A piece of software that most of the time does exactly what it says on the tin?

Why not read up on its design for once? BOINC whitepaper (PDF).
8381) Message boards : Questions and problems : task management is useless (Message 43293)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, it appears that the BOINC team is not interested in hearing about bugs

Complete humbug.

In this thread, TRuEQ & TuVaLu reported seeing weird things. I advised him to report it to the alpha list. He went one step further, according to his post on the Seti forums and reported it --complete with extra logs-- directly to David Anderson (DA). David answered him:

I got an answer from DA saying he saw in the logs what was not right and that he will fix it in a few days.

Thank you DA!!!

//TRuEQ

(Source)

So go ahead and complain all you want. Just don't start that nothing is being done about something you didn't want to do some work on to report in the proper place. You have the channel to the gods, others use it and use it correctly (with logs). They manage to get things done. So what's keeping you?
8382) Message boards : BOINC client : Help About BOINC Client Development (Message 43283)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded it to the developers.
However, they're in the process of releasing BOINC 7.0 to the public, so it may take a bit for them to react.
8383) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 43275)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like a new attack is happening. Where the Wiki was half and half available to us earlier, it's now completely gone again. Oh well, then we will not update the documentation...

David restarted MySQL this time. It had well over 10,000 queries going. Check it before it's down again.
8384) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 43274)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC Wiki was under attack by spammers. MySQL was at 700% CPU, which crashed the database. Rom will restart everything in the morning, when things have quieted down. I suppose I'll go in after that and remove all those accounts we already suspected to be spammers. ;-)
8385) Message boards : BOINC client : Help About BOINC Client Development (Message 43271)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which source code are you using to compile the client with? Trunk or a branch? Which branch, if a branch?

In boinc system, each client has to be able to download web page to their local disk.

Can you extrapolate on this, what do you mean with it?

finally, I tried to use boinc's libcurl to handle http communications, the compilation can be successfully done, but when I execute it, I get missing linker error. Anyone have some suggestions for me?

Which platform are you compiling BOINC for?
Which BOINC version?
If Windows, with which compiler?
If Windows, did you download the correct dependencies as well?
8386) Message boards : Questions and problems : A cue/cache suggestion (Message 43265)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you have work request problems with an Alpha version, which 7.0.24 is, then enable the <work_fetch_debug> and <cpu_sched_debug> (and possibly the <rr_simulation>) flags in cc_config.xml and send an excerpt of the log, with those debug messages in it,to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. .

Explain what the problem is, show in the log where this is a problem.
8387) Message boards : Questions and problems : reached daily quota 12 (Message 43249)
Posted 2 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know you can check those systems yourself?
In your account page at Einstein, click the Computers list, then the tasks on them, and then click on any of the TaskIDs that have anything out of the ordinary "completed and validated" on them.

Anyway, system 5000175 has only got computation errors. All err with "process got signal 4", which means it got an illegal instruction.

I see the BOINC version is 6.4.5, which is ancient. Can you update that one to a more up-to-date version? I was almost sure Einstein required at least 6.10 these days.

By the way, questions about Einstein are best asked on their own forums. Einstein's administrators Oliver and Bernd do answer the public.
8388) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does SETI Continue to Run Normally if the User Logs Out? (Message 43244)
Posted 2 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Only if BOINC is installed as a service (protected application execution), will it continue to run when no one is logged in, but the computer is still on. The service installation will break GPU detection, due to services and drivers running in separate sessions.

With respect to SETI tasks, what are the implications of having two or more users on the same PC?

What do you mean, both running Seti for themselves?
Or just two users using the same computer, what happens to BOINC?

They can't run Seti for themselves, unless they both have their own computer.
Otherwise, you either have to install as a service (runs for all), or allow them to control BOINC, by checking that option in in the installer, when installing BOINC. Or just add their names to the boinc_admins group.
8389) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc running only at 20%, why ? (Message 43242)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It all looks OK, so the only thing I can think of is some corruption somewhere. To fix that, Clear the local preferences (Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences, Clear button) and reload the on line preferences (Advanced view->Projects tab->Select either Milkyway or Seti and click Update).

And otherwise it's some process that's running amok under the main admin's account, that you can't see, unless you log in as administrator.
8390) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc running only at 20%, why ? (Message 43238)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please navigate to your BOINC Data directory and post the contents of the global_prefs.xml file and if it exists the contents of global_prefs_oberride.xml? These files can be opened with Notepad or Wordpad, no need to use an XML editor.

The data directory is at default at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ in WinXP. It may be hidden, so either put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer, or instruct Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
8391) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Problem with BOINC manager from v 6.12.n onwards (Message 43236)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can send it to me, then I'll add it to the BOINC User Manual. With thanks. I PM'ed you my email address.
8392) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc running only at 20%, why ? (Message 43235)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, I am not going to use whatever remote access thingy to check things on your computer. Now, Claggy has a point, try his help first. Never hurts.

As for the Windows task manager window, you can resize that. It can even be made screen filling (maximized). It can also be shown by CPU usage, by (double-)clicking on the column CPU, so all high CPU cycles usage applications are showing at the top of the screen. Again, at "show processes for all user".
8393) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc running only at 20%, why ? (Message 43227)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you show the processes tab please, with the option to "show processes from all users" on?
8394) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc running only at 20%, why ? (Message 43223)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC itself (boinc.exe) should not use any CPU cycles after doing the benchmarks. BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) should only use about 1% every so often, for updating things the client does in real time.

So, that begs the question, what do you see taking that load?
Do you have any project added?
If so, which one?
Does it have work actually on the machine, or is it still downloading it all?
If there's work on the machine, what kind of work? Just CPU or also GPU?
How many cores does your Pentium have, and does it do hyper-threading? When in Windows Task Manager->Performance, how many windows are there in the CPU Usage history section?
8395) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI @ Home: No Tasks Running (Message 43220)
Posted 31 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on what project you added, really. If Seti, then do know they have upload trouble. Have had it for the past 2 weeks. An overworked connection, really. Nothing you or I can do about that. If you want to keep your computer busy, add another project.

As for Activity Suspended, BOINC 6.12 has this nice bug where the BOINC screen saver is seen as a non-BOINC program, and as such when you have your preferences set to "Suspend work when non-BOINC CPU usage is above 25%" (the default setting), then BOINC will suspend work when its own screen saver comes on.

You can disable this setting by putting it to 100 or 0%.
Also check local preferences, if the web prefs don't take. Local prefs override web preferences of the same sort.
8396) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43219)
Posted 31 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.24 available for testing for Windows.
BOINC 7.0.25 available for testing for Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.23 --> 7.0.24:

  • client: small bug fix in work_fetch.
  • client: if a job calls boinc_temporary_exit() 100 times, abort it. Otherwise it could keep doing it forever (e.g. if there's not ever enough available GPU RAM.
  • client/server: estimate FLOPS for NVIDIA GPUs with compute capability 3.x. Not sure if the parameters are right (128 cores/proc, 2 flops/clock) but they're better than nothing.
  • compile fix for redhat, from Steffen Moller.
  • client: report results if CPU suspend pending in next 30 min.
  • client: set PROJECT::last_upload_start whenever an upload starts, not just when a result becomes ready to upload. Fix bug where a scheduler RPC to report results is done even though uploads are active.
  • client: cpu_sched_debug enables messages about not scheduling jobs because of insufficient RAM.
  • client/server: set cores/proc for NVIDIA compute capability 3.0 to 192 Why can't NVIDIA provide an API for this?????
  • client: fix typo that prevented GPU jobs from running if CPUs were filled with EDF jobs.
  • client: fix bug where if we sent app a <quit> message, and it timed out and we killed it, we'd treat it as a job error. (This was a major bug).
  • API: remove BOINC_STATUS::suspend_request. I meant to do this before.
  • client: fix bug in reading reason for temporary exit.
  • client/scheduler: fix error in NVIDIA peak flops calculation.
  • Mac installer: When checking for duplicate group membership entries, count only whole words.
  • Mac uninstaller: Use Directory Services to find the user names of all human users instead of stepping through the entries in the /Users directory.
  • client: Fix idle detection during fast user switching.



Preliminary Change Log 7.0.24 --> 7.0.25:


  • Mac MGR: Revert my changes of 18 March to Mac Task Bar Icon; always call the same instance of CTaskBarIcon::SetIcon()



Available installers:
Windows
- boinc_7.0.24_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.24_windows_x86_64.exe


Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.25_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.25_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.25_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8397) Message boards : Questions and problems : WU fails upload selectively (Message 43212)
Posted 30 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would check at DistrRTgen first, to see if no one else has this problem. If there's no one else and it's only your computer, then the fault must be at your computer. Check network card (drivers) or the network cable (replace it).
8398) Message boards : Questions and problems : Increasing task completion time (Message 43211)
Posted 30 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC doesn't work with time estimates, simply said it does calculate the remaining time from a combination of estimated resource fpops (floating point operations, an integer value, not a time slice) plus the task duration correction factor plus the benchmarks of your CPU. BOINC will learn by adjusting the TDCF how long tasks of the same project and application take. But since there's only one TDCF per project, not per application, projects with multiple applications will see fluctuating estimate end times.

The amount of fpops on the task is giving you the initial estimated time as it is done by a hypothetical machine. Since no computer out there is exactly the same as another, it's not possible to work with anything else than fpops. Even seemingly two identical machines can run the same task to different run times, just because of something about the machine or its environment.

Don't pin yourself on the end time, as you noticed it's an estimate. From start to finish will it be an estimate, and the progress bar isn't going to help here. There are tasks that come in with an estimate of 150 hours or more, but that run in 5 hours or less. There are tasks that run from 0% to 90-95% in the first minute and sit on that last amount for hours upon end, before ending at 100%. There are tasks that run to 100% before resetting to 0% and doing another run to 100%. There are tasks that run to 100% and then continue to do calculations for an extra 5 minutes or more.
8399) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where's the Message Tab? (Message 43210)
Posted 30 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Advanced->Event Log, or press CTRL+SHIFT+E.
8400) Message boards : Questions and problems : Downloading Tasks Seti@home (Message 43200)
Posted 29 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Chris,

Welcome to the BOINC forums.
What you ask is a project specific question, and these are best asked at the project forums and answered there by other volunteers with more experience, or if willing, project people. We are not the Seti forums, those you can find at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_help_desk.php.

Answering your question, no it's not normal. However, this is the Seti project, where 3 to 5 people work part-time trying to keep a project up that's got thousands of users. They have to do this through a 100Mbit connection, which is normally speedy enough to feed all hungry computers out there, but not lately.

This is because the project started sending out Astropulse tasks again, which are big files. Where the normal Multibeam Seti_Enhanced tasks are about 360KB big, the Astropulse are 8MB. Two of these will saturate the 100Mbit connection with ease. They're not sending them out in twos though, but in tens at a time.

This slows everything else that's being downloaded by our BOINCs down to a crawl. So work will be coming in, just very slowly, and with lots of retries and Transient HTTP Errors.

If you want to know the ins and outs of that, or get a better prognosis on when this is going to be fixed, by all means ask at the Seti forums.
8401) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Can't get Boinc to run as a service in Windows 7 (Message 43197)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
6. At this point, I would expect that I could connect to CLIENT with BOINC manager from my HOST

That depends on what's in the remote_hosts.cfg file on the CLIENT computer, it must be the IP address of the HOST computer, without a carriage return at the end (so no Enter).
Did you add a remote_hosts.cfg file with the IP address of the CLIENT computer on HOST as well?

Make sure that both computers have the remote_hosts.cfg file, both with the opposing computer's IP address in them.
Make sure that on both computers you edit the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and add a password of your own in them. Here also, no carriage return at the end of the word.

Restart both clients.

Now when you start BOINC Manager on HOST, then do Advanced->Launch another BOINC Manager, fill in the IP address of CLIENT and its password as set in its gui_rpc_auth.cfg file, then click OK, what happens? All of this without using SSH, of course.
8402) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Can't get Boinc to run as a service in Windows 7 (Message 43195)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wait a moment, what do you use to make the remote connect? Just Windows remote desktop?

What if you follow http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely, setting up the gui_rpc_auth.cfg and remote_hosts.cfg files on both computers and just using BOINC Manager to connect to the remote computer?
8403) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC GUI RPC over SSH tunnel (Message 43194)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've been forwarding port 31416 via an SSH LocalForward directive to the server (which appears to be the port BOINC is using for RPC communication despite 1043 being the officially registered port from what I've read) but whenever I try to connect, it attempts connection, then fails.

I can't help you on the SSH tunnel problem, but will ask a developer if he knows (edit: he says he doesn't). On the port number, BOINC used to use 1043, but other programs would run interference using this port on Windows XP start-up. Most notorious were some Microsoft programs, such as MSN and Hotmail.

So the port number was changed to 31416, which is high enough in the list not to get interfered with.
8404) Message boards : Questions and problems : In debian: stderrdae.txt and stdoutdae.txt (Message 43191)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which are also available in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Event Log, for 6.12 at least.
8405) Message boards : Questions and problems : In debian: stderrdae.txt and stdoutdae.txt (Message 43189)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are you asking? Where to find them, or what they are?

8406) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Can't get Boinc to run as a service in Windows 7 (Message 43184)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do keep an eye on the news for when BOINC 7 is released, and if it's another version number than 7.0.23, do update to that one. The version you're running may still have a couple of bugs, although these are more GPU related and as we all know GPUs won't be detected when BOINC is installed as a service.

Anyway, glad to have been of service (no pun :)).
8407) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Can't get Boinc to run as a service in Windows 7 (Message 43182)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you first please try with BOINC 7.0.23 if you can reproduce this problem? BOINC 6 is no longer in production and added to, but BOINC 7 is on the verge of being released.

You can find links to the binaries in the latest post in this thread.
8408) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Can't get Boinc to run as a service in Windows 7 (Message 43178)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is the service installation required?
What happens when you install BOINC without the protected application execution checked?

When you start BOINC Manager when the service hasn't started yet, does it pop up the request that boincsvcctrl.exe may run? If so, what do you tell it to do? This program starts the BOINC service when it isn't running and a part of BOINC requires it.
8409) Message boards : Questions and problems : Download failed (Say No to Schistosoma Project) (Message 43177)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You will have to ask about this at the World Community Grid forums, available at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/index; do log in there before trying to post anything.
8410) Message boards : Questions and problems : Sample work units? (Message 43176)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why not ask at the Seti forums? You'll get an easier answer there.

However, it's not just tasks that you need, it's their entry in client_state.xml as well, as I suppose that even your fork will want to know how long these tasks run for and what they are, etc.? That info is in client_state.xml, not in the tasks themselves.

e.g.
<file>
    <name>17jn11aa.12664.2112.9.10.194</name>
    <nbytes>375371.000000</nbytes>
    <max_nbytes>0.000000</max_nbytes>
    <md5_cksum>ba112b14a93bfb79fc88e1a134cf5584</md5_cksum>
    <status>1</status>
    <download_url>http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/3ae/17jn11aa.12664.2112.9.10.194</download_url>
</file>

(That's one of mine already downloaded)

<file>
    <name>31my11ac.6913.4566.14.10.49</name>
    <nbytes>375358.000000</nbytes>
    <max_nbytes>0.000000</max_nbytes>
    <md5_cksum>43458ea7adca640ff24ff5ef37211af5</md5_cksum>
    <status>0</status>
    <download_url>http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/359/31my11ac.6913.4566.14.10.49</download_url>
    <persistent_file_xfer>
        <num_retries>3</num_retries>
        <first_request_time>1332816035.626429</first_request_time>
        <next_request_time>1332835024.812237</next_request_time>
        <time_so_far>823.326271</time_so_far>
        <last_bytes_xferred>207477.000000</last_bytes_xferred>
        <is_upload>0</is_upload>
    </persistent_file_xfer>
</file>

(That's one of mine still being downloaded)

Those require the next info as well:
<workunit>
    <name>17jn11aa.12664.2112.9.10.194</name>
    <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
    <version_num>603</version_num>
    <rsc_fpops_est>4756000000000.000000</rsc_fpops_est>
    <rsc_fpops_bound>47559999999999.992000</rsc_fpops_bound>
    <rsc_memory_bound>33554432.000000</rsc_memory_bound>
    <rsc_disk_bound>33554432.000000</rsc_disk_bound>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>17jn11aa.12664.2112.9.10.194</file_name>
        <open_name>work_unit.sah</open_name>
    </file_ref>
</workunit>
<workunit>
    <name>31my11ac.6913.4566.14.10.49</name>
    <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
    <version_num>603</version_num>
    <rsc_fpops_est>16112362642813.398000</rsc_fpops_est>
    <rsc_fpops_bound>161123626428134.000000</rsc_fpops_bound>
    <rsc_memory_bound>33554432.000000</rsc_memory_bound>
    <rsc_disk_bound>33554432.000000</rsc_disk_bound>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>31my11ac.6913.4566.14.10.49</file_name>
        <open_name>work_unit.sah</open_name>
    </file_ref>
</workunit>
8411) Message boards : Questions and problems : Strange behaviour of credit (Message 43166)
Posted 26 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most probably a problem where BOINCStats cannot update the daily credits. However, you best ask at their forums, as they ought to know what causes this. It isn't a BOINC or server bug, as far as I know. BOINCStats is not in any way affiliated with us at BOINC or vice versa.
8412) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks are not started with shortest deadline first (Message 43163)
Posted 25 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC comes with the redundancy that any task not finished by the deadline --be that due to a too big a cache, broken hardware, dropped connections, people uninstalling BOINC, meteor strikes, cosmic rays, an attack by the Empire or whatever else is new-- will be sent out to another computer, and this ever so long until a canonical result has been reached, validation can take place and credits be given to those that actually did the work and did it correctly.

There is simply no scenario, where it is more effective to calculate the tasks with the shortest deadline first.

You are right, there is simply no scenario where BOINC should run constantly in EDF - earliest deadline first. Which is why it doesn't do this, but instead runs in FIFO, first in - first out, unless any task comes in with a FLOP estimate that's too big for BOINC to handle in the short time between now and the deadline, then BOINC will run that task in EDF.
8413) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks are not started with shortest deadline first (Message 43159)
Posted 25 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If boinc just runs the tasks with the shortest dealine first and finishes it, before starting the next one, is the only reasonable way.

Until you run multiple projects with different deadlines, and find that the project with the shortest deadline will exclusively be run, while the others will just have to wait and time out.

Think outside your box of one project and see how many projects are out there.
Or do you really believe that work with a deadline of 8 months or more can easily be run within a week? As that's what your BOINC with earliest deadline first runs will try to do to things like the CPDN models, and fail to do.

BOINC has the redundancy that any work not finished by you by deadline will time out and be sent to another computer to be finished.

If you feel that you are so important that you have to finish all the work that gets appointed to you, then be reasonable and give BOINC the chance to do that:
- Don't force it to run a cache that's bigger than the deadline (e.g. connect to of 10 + additional days of 10 = 20 days, which is difficult to do on a 14 days deadline).
- Don't micromanage it, telling which tasks should run next.
- Allow it to learn. When tasks go over the deadline, BOINC won't ask so much work again next time, unless of course you micromanage it and force it to do so.

And if you still feel so strongly about BOINC needing to do things your way, then follow http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient to get the source code, adjust it to your liking and compile it so it works like that for you.
8414) Message boards : BOINC Manager : New notices alerts (Message 43154)
Posted 25 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Options->set Notice reminder interval to never.
8415) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43148)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.23 available for testing for Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This release fixes a permissions issue when executable sizes exceeded 10MB. This release also fixes a CPU/GPU issue when running both multi-threaded jobs and GPU jobs at the same time.

Unless a showstopper is found it looks like this build might be the first of the 7.0.x line of clients to go public. Please report test results as soon as possible.

Please report bugs to the boinc_alpha email list and test results to
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.


Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.22 --> 7.0.23:

  • client: job scheduling policy tweak: if CPUs are fully committed (e.g. with EDF jobs) allow GPU jobs but only up to CPU usage of ncpus+1.
  • client: Don't include VBox executive processes as non-BOINC CPU time. On some systems they use significant CPU time while VMs are running.
    TODO: do this only if we're actually running a VBox app
  • client: if an app process exits because of a signal, don't show the "no finish file" message; not sure why this was there in the first place.
  • client: if an app process exits because of a signal, show the signal correctly.
  • client: report completed results if a time-of-day network suspend is scheduled within the next 30 minutes.
  • client: Initialize buffer which is used to hold the temporary exit reason. If somebody didn't populate the reason when calling boinc_temporary_exit the buffer contained junk.
  • client: set file ownership and permissions after an async verify. This was presumably the cause of the recent Einstein@home problem.
  • client: set file ownership and permissions after an async copy.
  • client: set file ownership and permissions after a regular (non-async) copy. The latter 2 bugs would affect a VM app that copies its executable to slot/x/shared.
  • client: change timeout for job quit/abort from 60 back to 15 (time between sending app a quit/abort message and, if not exited yet, killing it)
  • client: if app has reported an "other PID" (e.g., vboxwrapper reports the VBoxHeadless PID) then include it (along with descendants) in the list of processes we kill when killing the job.



Available installers:
Linux
- boinc_7.0.23_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.23_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Windows
- boinc_7.0.23_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.23_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.23_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.23_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.23_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8416) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Newb questions (Message 43147)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC did you use on that Ubuntu? The one from the Berkeley site, or the one from the package manager? Try to use the latter first, as that one will always be updated for the OS you're in.
8417) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Newb questions (Message 43143)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti project has had problems the past week to make work and distribute it. They're in the process of releasing new applications and new Astropulse tasks (8MB big) which help saturate their already overworked 100Mbit output.

So that counts for your running out of work and download problems, all of us running Seti have those problems. Read all about it on the Seti forums, help desk and Number Crunching.

If you don't want that to happen, simply run a second or third project as well. There are 50+ projects to choose from, some of which are on this list.

As for getting help on how to run BOINC on Linux, if http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Linux doesn't help you, you will have to supply at least the distro name and the exact error that you get before any of the Linux gurus around here will jump in. Also tell them which BOINC version you use.
8418) Message boards : Questions and problems : 32 core limit :( (Message 43139)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And you are pretty sure you set up all your preferences correctly, to show that you want to use "On multiprocessors, use at most 100% of the processors" and "On multiprocessors, use at most N processors", where N is a number. What is this number in your case?

Yes, both these values are used, the 'old one' is still in use to set the amount of processors, while the percentage says the gradient. So if that's set to 32, then that's why you're blocked at 32.

This second value is found at the Project Preferences, NOT in BOINC Manager's advanced preferences.
8419) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI @ Home: No Tasks Running (Message 43138)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, when there's no tasks running, BOINC can't show you the Seti screen saver. It'll only run with active tasks.

I see over at Seti that you do have work appointed, but has it all downloaded? Is any of it running? What are the messages in the Event Log (CTRL + SHIFT + E, or Advanced view->Advanced->Event Log)?
8420) Message boards : Questions and problems : Test4Theory Project install overrides VirtualBox folder settings (Message 43132)
Posted 22 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're better off asking at the T4T forums. However, I can tell you that the T4T VM cannot be moved to your general VM directory, it'll have to stay in the BOINC data directory, as else BOINC won't be able to find it again.
8421) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not a PC person (Message 43128)
Posted 21 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Terry, we would really like to help you, but do need some more information. Now it's like you're saying you're not a car person and asking how to set up the radio in your new car without telling what brand & model the car or the radio are. So that leaves us at total guesswork.

Which is why I respectfully ask you to pass by on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5925 and answer at least the BOINC version and post the messages. Do you also happen to know what brand and model graphics card you have?
8422) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43118)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.22 available for testing for Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


BOINC 7.0.22 Warning

This version contains a severe bug that does not allow GPU work to run when other (CPU) tasks are running in high priority. Run at your own risk only. v7.0.23 may have a fix.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.21 --> 7.0.22:

  • client: Increase the quit request timeout from 10 seconds to 60 seconds for machines running VMs and slow disk drives. It should give the VM enough time to gracefully shutdown and not give boinc reason to kill the wrapper.
  • client: use %g to format job resources (#CPUs, #GPUs). This suppresses trailing zeroes and (if integer) the .
  • client: changes to job scheduling policy:
    - fix bug that could greatly overcommit CPUs if there are several EDF jobs and several non-EDF GPU jobs.
    - don't overcommit CPUs if any job is MT (MT means avg_ncpus > 1).
    For example, on a 4-CPU machine we will run:
    -- a 0.5-CPU GPU job and 4 1-CPU jobs, but not a 0.5-CPU GPU job and 1 4-CPU job.
  • MGR: Fix a Mac-only bug which sometimes failed to show the snooze icon.



Available installers:
Linux
- boinc_7.0.22_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.22_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


Windows
- boinc_7.0.22_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.22_windows_x86_64.exe


Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.22_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.22_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.22_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8423) Message boards : The Lounge : We need your help! (Message 43117)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before people wonder and ask, yes this one is legitimate.
8424) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC hogging memory (Message 43114)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Setting preferences to suspend tasks when the computer is in use does not automatically unload the tasks from memory when BOINC suspends them. Check first and foremost that you do not have "Leave applications in memory when suspended" checked. Check this for the web-preferences, and for the local preferences, which override the web-preferences.



The other case where tasks stay in memory is when they have just started to run, but haven't checkpointed yet before BOINC suspended them.
8425) Message boards : Questions and problems : I'd like to build the ideal BOINC computer (Message 43111)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have around 200-300 dollars to spend on processor upgrades. Considering my current setup, can anyone recommend what would be the most prudent decision in regards to processors and/or GPU?

Not without you telling us what you have now, as it's quite difficult to plug a Sandy Bridge CPU into an 1156 socket motherboard, nothing said about trying to plug a Bulldozer into that socket.

So you'll have to tell what motherboard you have, what CPU there's in it now, what kind of RAM and how much, what GPU (if any), etc.

Having just upgraded from an i3-530 (socket 1156) to an i5-2500K (Socket 1155), these were 318 euros for the new CPU and new motherboard (ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3). I could easily switch over my previous PC-1333 (DDR3) RAM.
8426) Message boards : Questions and problems : Building New PC (Message 43107)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only benefit you have from running with hyper threading is that more tasks are done at about the same time, or you can run more projects at the same time. Whether or not that's a benefit for the projects, is up to you to decide. Of course, your electricity company gladly sees you run with HT as well as it uses a lot more energy than were you not using HT.
8427) Message boards : BOINC client : boinc 7.0.18 Mac not reporting completed units (Message 43094)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've been testing on my Windows BOINC 7.0.20 for the past days. Took out <report_results_immediately/> from my cc_config.xml and had BOINC work with that. My low water mark is 1.0 days (previous connect to), high water is 0.5 days (previous additional days). I run Albert on GPU only, Einstein and Seti on CPU, Seti also on GPU.

14-Mar-2012 23:17:01 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
14-Mar-2012 23:17:01 [Einstein@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
14-Mar-2012 23:17:01 [Einstein@Home] Reporting 7 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
14-Mar-2012 23:17:01 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 28693.30 seconds; 0.00 devices
14-Mar-2012 23:17:01 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 43982.71 seconds; 0.00 devices
14-Mar-2012 23:17:06 [Einstein@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
14-Mar-2012 23:17:06 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Server version 611
14-Mar-2012 23:17:06 [Einstein@Home] Project requested delay of 60 seconds

14-Mar-2012 23:17:11 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
14-Mar-2012 23:17:11 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
14-Mar-2012 23:17:11 [SETI@home] Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
14-Mar-2012 23:17:11 [SETI@home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 8567.78 seconds; 0.00 devices
14-Mar-2012 23:17:11 [SETI@home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 44101.55 seconds; 0.00 devices
14-Mar-2012 23:17:14 [Albert@Home] [checkpoint] result p2030.20111110.G39.07-00.55.N.b4s0g0.00000_2640_1 checkpointed
14-Mar-2012 23:17:15 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks
14-Mar-2012 23:17:15 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Server version 613
14-Mar-2012 23:17:15 [SETI@home] Project requested delay of 303 seconds

15-Mar-2012 02:56:02 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
15-Mar-2012 02:56:02 [Einstein@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
15-Mar-2012 02:56:02 [Einstein@Home] Reporting 3 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
15-Mar-2012 02:56:02 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 117686.25 seconds; 0.00 devices
15-Mar-2012 02:56:02 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
15-Mar-2012 02:56:06 [Einstein@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
15-Mar-2012 02:56:06 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Server version 611
15-Mar-2012 02:56:06 [Einstein@Home] Project requested delay of 60 seconds

15-Mar-2012 12:06:17 [Albert@Home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
15-Mar-2012 12:06:17 [Albert@Home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
15-Mar-2012 12:06:17 [Albert@Home] Reporting 1 completed tasks, not requesting new tasks
15-Mar-2012 12:06:17 [Albert@Home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
15-Mar-2012 12:06:17 [Albert@Home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
15-Mar-2012 12:06:19 [Albert@Home] Scheduler request completed
15-Mar-2012 12:06:19 [Albert@Home] [sched_op] Server version 700
15-Mar-2012 12:06:19 [Albert@Home] Project requested delay of 60 seconds

15-Mar-2012 12:07:40 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
15-Mar-2012 12:07:40 [Einstein@Home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
15-Mar-2012 12:07:40 [Einstein@Home] Reporting 3 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
15-Mar-2012 12:07:40 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 110363.46 seconds; 0.00 devices
15-Mar-2012 12:07:40 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
15-Mar-2012 12:07:43 [Einstein@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
15-Mar-2012 12:07:43 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Server version 611
15-Mar-2012 12:07:43 [Einstein@Home] Project requested delay of 60 seconds

16-Mar-2012 01:53:59 [Einstein@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
16-Mar-2012 01:53:59 [Einstein@Home] Reporting 3 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
16-Mar-2012 01:53:59 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 80000.02 seconds; 0.00 devices
16-Mar-2012 01:53:59 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
16-Mar-2012 01:54:02 [Einstein@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks
16-Mar-2012 01:54:02 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Server version 611
16-Mar-2012 01:54:02 [Einstein@Home] Project requested delay of 60 seconds

17-Mar-2012 02:15:01 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
17-Mar-2012 02:15:01 [Einstein@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
17-Mar-2012 02:15:01 [Einstein@Home] Reporting 7 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
17-Mar-2012 02:15:01 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 130142.46 seconds; 0.00 devices
17-Mar-2012 02:15:01 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
17-Mar-2012 02:15:05 [Einstein@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
17-Mar-2012 02:15:05 [Einstein@Home] [sched_op] Server version 611
17-Mar-2012 02:15:05 [Einstein@Home] Project requested delay of 60 seconds


As can be seen, I don't have to update, it's doing it all by itself.
8428) Message boards : Questions and problems : Better CPU/GPU management (Message 43092)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No. It won't be implemented in BOINC 7.0; as said, it's a feature for a future BOINC.
8429) Message boards : Questions and problems : gui_rpc_auth.conf not created? (Message 43091)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, the specific name is gui_rpc_auth.cfg (not .conf) on all platforms. So please make sure you have the correct file.

The daemon shouldn't ask for a password, the password in the file is used by BOINC Manager to communicate with the client (daemon). The client can happily run completely stand-alone, without any GUI.

Of course, you can either make the file, name it correctly then and add a password, or you can start the client with the "--no_gui_rpc" switch (without quotes).
8430) Message boards : BOINC client : latest version and windows 8 CP (Message 43090)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless you specifically see in the Change Log thread that Windows 8 support is added to the latest 7.0.x series, there's no need to test.

The developer responsible for the Windows BOINC versions has only just installed a Windows 8 preview version on his system and was about to go test with it, when more important problems and bug fixes stuck up their head. And be honest, Windows 8 isn't released yet, or going to be released imminently, so it doesn't really matter if it's fixed tomorrow or next week.

BOINC 7.0 will eventually have Windows 8 support.
8431) Message boards : BOINC client : failed WU:s due dns error (Message 43084)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
the WU:s

Which project's tasks is this with?
Can you give links to tasks with the computation error?

Freezes are normally due to hardware trouble, be it faulty RAM, an overheating computer (dust!) or other malformations.

And actually, it's not the heartbeat that's causing this. It is as you point out in the title, a DNS problem that is causing this. A very good post from Richard Haselgrove at Seti pointed this out:

In simple terms, it's in an area of networking called 'DNS' - Domain Name Service. Whenever we do anything over the internet - be it browsing the web, sending and receiving email, or crunching with BOINC, we like to refer to places by name. While I'm typing this, my browser says I'm talking to setiathome.berkeley.edu

But my computer isn't. My computer does this by number, and my computer thinks it's talking to 128.32.18.150

It's DNS which makes this happen. And because you really, really don't want to keep a list of every web server in the world on your computer (unless you're Google), your ISP provides a DNS service for you, as part of the package.

Whenever BOINC needs to call home, to report or request new work, it knows it has to contact setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu: so the first thing it has to do is to call directory enquiries (DNS) and get the number - 208.68.240.20

Yes, it would have been possible to write BOINC to use numbers from first principles, but it wouldn't have helped - if the line's down, you can't do anything with the number anyway. It's very rare for a line to be working, but DNS not to be available, so it's normal practice to use the readable form of web addresses, and DNS, all the time.

So when a line goes down, the very first that BOINC (or anything else) knows about it is when the DNS lookup fails. That's what gives you the message "can't resolve hostname" - that's right and proper, it gives you the information that DNS isn't available.


Seeing how you're the second person in a relatively short time pointing this out, I am now forwarding it to the developers. Something fun for their to do list. ;-)
8432) Message boards : Questions and problems : Building New PC (Message 43082)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're better off asking on a project's forum. If you run Seti, why not ask the people there in the Number Crunching forum? It's what others do as well.

Of course, if you run any other project, substitute for their NC project. Most of your questions are project specific. Nvidia cards are better at CUDA projects, while ATI cards are better at CAL projects and OpenCL projects. But then people running similar GPUs at those projects can answer you better what is the better GPU for this moment for that project. Next month it'll be different, of course. ;-)
8433) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project backoff (Message 43080)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post an excerpt of your messages, about what BOINC says on requesting work. Make sure projects are allowed to fetch work and that the network activity is set to preferences or always available. Also useful to check if the projects have work, also for the applications you chose to run, and are up.

And since you're running an alpha version of BOINC:
REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
8434) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 43077)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That means that for every computer configuration out there, BOINC should be able to read CMOS information under Windows, Macintosh and Linux. Since this will require platform specific application programming interfaces (APIs), this will break compatibility for all other platforms.

This is why BOINC will by default not run work on the CPU and GPU when the system is in use, but only when it's idle. It's also why things like this are best done in 3rd party applications, in this case such as TThrottle.
8435) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 43075)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.21 available for testing for all platforms.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.20 --> 7.0.21:

  • client: code cleanup (no functional change).
  • client: message tweak.
  • msg tweak and fix compile warnings.
  • client: fix compile errors.
  • client: call some Mac coproc_detect debugging code only if coproc_debug flag is set.
  • MGR: fix French translations of Remaining (estimated).
  • client: When comparing ATI model names from OpenCL and IOKit on a Mac, substitute "AMD" for "ATI".
  • client: On Mac only, update ATI available RAM after getting ATI total RAM size from OpenGL.
  • client: on each scheduler RPC, make sure that files flagged as executable in the reply, and that are present, are actually executable.
  • client: when killing a task, don't delete its shmem or change its state. These mess up the logic for dealing with exited processes.



Available installers:
Linux
- boinc_7.0.21_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.21_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.21_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.21_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.21_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.21_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.21_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8436) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 7.0.18 forces autoraise (Message 43070)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sekerob is a volunteer just as you and me. While he is correct that 7.0.20 is the latest BOINC development version, and thus that you should try that one first, I doubt that any of your complaints were fixed in that.

I did send your complaints to the developer earlier today. Let's just first see if he wants to do something with it, this can take several days if not weeks, as he does have a lot of other things on his TODO list as well.

And if you think complaints are better made in person, there's always the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.
8437) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks are not started with shortest deadline first (Message 43069)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So, if i am only running seti tasks, why is i picking a task with a deadline one month down the road instead of one that has a deadline of 6 days (given same run times for the tasks?

BOINC recalculates the round robin values of all tasks every 10 seconds, to see if tasks will make their deadline. It will check this by doing a quick calculation of the floating point operations value that comes with each task, against the flops that the CPU or GPU can do.

It will start tasks with a further away deadline, as these will come with a different (much higher) value of flops than tasks with an earlier deadline. This tells BOINC how long tasks may take by estimate. Tasks from the same project with a 4 week deadline will run for longer than tasks with a one week deadline.

For example, it starts a task in high priority, runs it to 90% or so, and starts the next task of the same project in high priority mode and so on and so on.

This is done to make sure that these tasks will end by their deadline. As said, BOINC will do its utmost best to finish all work before deadline. If a lot of work has a same deadline and a same run time, it'll run as much of this work to almost finished time, before switching to the next task(s) to do the same there, to try to make sure to finish as much of that work by their deadline.

It may not finish all of them by deadline, but then it learns and just won't download as much work the next time as it did last time. That is, as long as you do not interfere and let BOINC do it on its own. If you force BOINC to have 20 days worth of work and it has a deadline of 14 days, then how's it going to do that? Added to that, are you allowing BOINC to run 24/7/365? When you reboot, how long does it take before BOINC continues to run? Does BOINC only run for several (cheaper electricity) hours a day? Do you switch off when nasty weather passes over? Do you stop BOINC when you start a game of Skyrim? etc. etc.
8438) Message boards : GPUs : GPU Setup Question (Message 43061)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've got BOINC installed as a service (Protected application execution) which disables the GPU detection under Windows 7 and Vista. This is due to Microsoft believing that drivers and services should run in a different sessions. The service isn't able to see where the driver lives.

So you'll have to uninstall BOINC and reinstall it, then in the third installer screen click Advanced and uncheck the Protected Application Execution option before continuing the installation.
3/15/2012 11:25:57 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 6.12.34 for windows_x86_64
3/15/2012 11:25:57 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
3/15/2012 11:25:57 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.21.6 OpenSSL/1.0.0d zlib/1.2.5
3/15/2012 11:25:57 AM | | Running as a daemon
3/15/2012 11:25:57 AM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
3/15/2012 11:25:57 AM | | Running under account boinc_master
..
3/15/2012 11:25:57 AM | | No usable GPUs found


By the way, you will also need to install videocard drivers from the GPU manufacturer's web site. The drivers included in Windows will have key things such as OpenGL, CUDA and OpenCL disabled, because these are direct competitors to what Microsoft themselves are running/distributing.

The Intel HD Graphics aren't being detected yet as Intel hasn't released any API yet on how to do so. It has OpenCL capability, they say, but no drivers that enable that.
8439) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with Quickstart demo application (Message 43058)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're better off asking on the BOINC Projects email list. This is where project admins can ask all the questions they want and get answers from other admins, or the developers. The list needs registration.
8440) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks are not started with shortest deadline first (Message 43052)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
But when all work is done in high priority mode, what then when you have one project with short tasks with a 3 day deadline, one with medium tasks with a 14 day deadline and one with a long task with a 9 month deadline? Which project will continuously be busy doing all the work? And crucially, when will the long work start, if ever?

BOINC has redundancy built in. When you can't finish the work in time, it'll be resent to another computer which can. So long until a canonical outcome is reached, work is validated and credits can be divided. Does it say anywhere that you are required to do all the work you get in? Nope.

BOINC will at all times try to finish all the work it has in queue by their deadline. When it can't do so, you either had too much work in the queue in the first place, or you were micromanaging, aka deciding for BOINC what should run next. Just don't do that.
8441) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help with Quickstart demo application (Message 43044)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are you trying to do? Just run work from projects, or set up your own project and run that work? The QuickStart page is to set up your own project.

If you just want to run BOINC on any project of choice, so long it has an OS X application (not all do), perhaps you want to start on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Main_Page or even at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/.
8442) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager says "Task suspended" but is computing (Message 43037)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers are looking into it.
8443) Message boards : GPUs : 2 GPU 1 doing work (Message 43036)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
By default BOINC only uses the best GPU. To use other GPUs, you need to resort to a client configuration file and the <use_all_gpus> switch. See this FAQ for the how-to.
8444) Message boards : Questions and problems : Credits (Message 43035)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Credits are a way for the project* to pay you back for the work your computer is doing.
They cannot be used for anything (as of yet), other than to brag with and showing off how good your computer is.

Wiki: Computation Credit.

* World Community Grid pays with Points. When you look in Your Grid you can see how many Points you have accumulated. Divide this number by 7 to get your amount of BOINC Credits.
8445) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager says "Task suspended" but is computing (Message 43029)
Posted 14 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since 6.12 isn't being worked on anymore, test with BOINC 7, please. The latest download links are in the BOINC 7 Change Log and News thread, version 7.0.20.
8446) Message boards : Questions and problems : Manager says "Task suspended" but is computing (Message 43014)
Posted 13 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see on the forum many of us are experiencing the same problem.

Which forum? Care to give a link?
8447) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to install on drive other than "C"? (Message 43007)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you install BOINC, you can choose where to put its parts, e.g. the programs directory and the data directory. You will want to move the data directory, as this takes up the most room.

To do so, uninstall BOINC through Add/Remove Programs or Uninstall a program (depending of Windows version... you don't say what OS you run, so I just assume Windows). Next first move the data directory to wherever you want it to go sit. Do this by moving the whole BOINC directory with all files and sub-directories in it. Default places for the data directory are in this FAQ.

Next you go install BOINC and in the third screen in the installer, click the Advanced button. That'll open the options for you to change.


Change the path to the data directory to where you put it on the other drive, then continue the BOINC installation.

As far as running multiple BOINC clients, may I ask why? It won't speed up any work, more so even slow it down. If you want to do so to work on one project with one GPU and another only with another, then install BOINC 7.0.20. It may still be development, albeit with less bugs than before, it also comes with the <exclude_gpu> option.

Running multiple BOINC clients together seems to work OK on some Linux versions, but not so on Windows.
8448) Message boards : Questions and problems : BSOD on BOINC Start up - Windows XP. (Message 43005)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
RtlIpv4StringToAddressExW+0xfd

That's a network card issue. Realtek IPV4.
Ask your tech support if they updated the network card drivers, or additionally the motherboard chipset drivers.
8449) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 64 bit -- Simple view is greyed out (Message 43002)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developers, they told me:
Rom Walton wrote:
If it is grayed out, then it probably believes they are using a screen reader or other accessibility aide. We disabled going into the simple view in 6.12 or older to avoid blind users getting stuck in a UI they couldn't get back out of. This should be fixed in 7.x though. Since Charlie fixed the simple GUI for accessibility aides.

So, question to you is, do you use a screen reader or other (Windows) Accessibility aides?
8450) Message boards : Questions and problems : EDGeS & Einstein = 0 (Message 42995)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I understand, Charity Engine doesn't run other BOINC projects (yet).
As far as Edges goes, do they have work? Did you check their project for news, their forums? And are you sure it isn't just debt that your BOINC has towards these projects, that it is trying to pay back to any other projects you have added?

Remember, we can not see what you see, what projects you have added, you will have to tell us that, or post the BOINC start-up log's first 20-30 messages.
8451) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 64 bit -- Simple view is greyed out (Message 42994)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version? You can find this information in BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager. 32bit or 64bit version?
What happens when you simultaneously press CTRL+SHIFT+V on the keyboard?
In which directory did you install the BOINC programs?
8452) Message boards : BOINC client : request: priority (Message 42980)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can all be done with resource settings. You could make the resource share of all the other projects you're attached to zero or 1, depending on whether or not they updated already to use the zero resource share.

With a resource share of zero you tell BOINC (6.12) to only download work from that project if the main project --in your case renderfarm.fi-- has no work.

The only problems here are:
- Work coming in on zero or low resource share projects will possibly run in high priority to make deadline.
- BOINC will back-off from asking work from Renderfarm.fi, with ever increasing back-off times, until it'll only ask once every 24 hours. This to ensure that computers don't unnecessarily continue hammering project servers. The problem here is of course that it's well possible that the project has work at a time you're in back-off time. Nothing you can do about that, as far as I can see, unless you plan on becoming BOINC's scheduler and check for work 24/7/365. Good luck on that.

So you could also set the resource share for the renderfarm.fi project to something low, this will then ensure that any work coming in will immediately start as it'll try to get in before deadline. As far as I know from their past work, it doesn't checkpoint either (or was that BURP?), so it should continuously run from start to finish.

BOINC will always try to finish all work before the deadline, but can't do that always as the user seems to think that storing 20 days of work for 18 different projects should be possible on a 3 day deadline or shorter...

So no, there's not going to be a switch or button with which you can override the BOINC work scheduler and tell what next to run, as that's completely counterproductive. No need to demand things from Sekerob either, he's a volunteer just as you and me.
8453) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver distortion (Message 42970)
Posted 9 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I formatted to install Windows 7 to 64-bit, full version, and of course reinstalled Boinc 6.12.34.

Yes, but did you reinstall the ATI videocard drivers? As the drivers installed by Windows lack the needed OpenGL part, since this is a direct competitor to their DirectX. Go to http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx and download (save first) good drivers, then install those in Windows and try again.

Mind, it's also possible you're required to get the drivers from the Compaq site. Check that first. Also check there for motherboard chipset drivers.
8454) Message boards : Questions and problems : BSOD on BOINC Start up - Windows XP. (Message 42969)
Posted 9 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which version of BOINC? Check that in Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager.
What if you tell BOINC not to start up when Windows starts up? (Assuming 6.12.x) Advanced view->Tools->Options->Uncheck "Run Manager at login?".
What kind of computer is it? CPU, RAM, videocard(s), etc.

Since "BAD_POOL_HEADER" problems are normally related to bad drivers, what driver did you update last prior to installing BOINC? Or have you (n)ever updated drivers?
8455) Message boards : BOINC client : boinc 7.0.18 Mac not reporting completed units (Message 42953)
Posted 9 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You now let them accumulate for 3 days, but your high water mark for work is 4 days. What happens on day 4, if you don't do anything?
8456) Message boards : Questions and problems : 8 CPUs available - 16 CPU job downloaded (Message 42946)
Posted 8 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I can see, neither. It's something the server should stop, the scheduler. But definitely a project problem. However, you can go to the Milkyway project preferences, edit those and then opt out of the MilkyWay@Home N-Body Simulation. This is the multi-threaded application that's giving you those problems. Save changes to the web site, then update BOINC to let it know about the changed preferences.
8457) Message boards : BOINC client : Why is uninstalling so *impossible* ? (Message 42936)
Posted 7 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers are busy adding an option to the installer that gives the user the option to either uninstall BOINC its programs only, in order to do an upgrade installation of BOINC, or to uninstall everything, including programs directory, data directory and any undone and unreported work, registry entries and limited user accounts and groups made.

For this they have removed the Uninstalling instructions from the Wiki, after a complaint by someone else that he couldn't follow those steps, as they were confusing him (although he said it in a less friendly and eloquently manner).

If however you feel less easily confused, these steps are still here in this FAQ.
8458) Message boards : Questions and problems : Having Boinc finish a WU instead of moving on to another one (Message 42934)
Posted 7 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's how BOINC works. If you don't like it, you can set the "switch between applications" value to something high, a little more than the run time of that project's tasks if you want. So if they run for 24 hours, set the switch value to 87000 seconds.

It's not going to change, there's not going to be any option ever to continue a task till end, when it's at its last 95% or so, as not all work runs equally and logical.

There is work out there that runs quickly, within minutes, from zero to 90-95% and then runs for hours on the remaining 5%. (Usually the protein folding projects, using Autodock).

There's also work out there that runs for more than 100%. Einstein has a couple of applications that run multiple minutes for 100%, can even be paused at 100% when switching for another project's app. Enigma's application will run to 100%, reset its progress and do it again to 100%.

Climate Prediction still has models where the last 2-10% can take days, if not weeks on even a fast CPU. You do not want this one to take over as then your other work will time out.
8459) Message boards : BOINC client : No Program Data\BOINC to take cc.config (Message 42924)
Posted 7 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's there, it's just hidden.
So either fill in the complete path in Windows Explorer, or show hidden files and folders in Windows 7.

Oh, by the way, it's a cc_config.xml file, not a cc.config file. Underscore instead of dot.
8460) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42916)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.20 available for testing for Macintosh, Windows and Linux.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This release contains a fix which is a policy change around running MT jobs with single-proc jobs. The overall goal is to prevent idle CPUs. The other major change is for Mac's using ATI cards for OpenCL computation, see the notes from Charlie at the end of this message.

Please report bugs to this email list and report test results too http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Charlie Fenton wrote:
Dear BOINC Alpha Testers,

Since my requests were below Rom's signature in his announcement of 7.0.20, I want to make sure you didn't miss them:

This BOINC 7.0.20 build has new code to work around a problem getting the total memory size of ATI / AMD GPUs when using OpenCL. If you have one or more OpenCL-capable GPUs, please do the following:

On Macs: Check that BOINC's Event Log reports the correct total RAM size, especially for ATI / AM GPUs. If you see any Event Log entries ahead of the GPU information that start with "WARNING:", please report them.

On Windows and Linux with ATI / AM GPUs: Please make sure you have current Catalyst drivers installed, then check whether BOINC's Event Log reports the correct total RAM size.

Please note that we are _not_ testing only the reporting of _total_ GPU RAM, not that of _available_ GPU RAM in this release. There are problems with the reporting of available RAM which are currently beyond our control.

Also, we know that OpenCL on Macs does not recognize certain models of ATI / AMD GPUs. This also is beyond our control, and AMD is working with Apple to correct this problem.

Please report any issues regarding BOINC's reporting of GPU total RAM size to the boinc_alpha email list, and don't forget to tell us your OS version and details of your GPUs.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.18 --> 7.0.19:

  • Mac installer: Update copyright notice from 2009 to 2012.
  • client: change the job scheduling policy for MT jobs.
    The old policy avoided running an N-CPU job unless N CPUs were free. This could result in idle CPUs for long periods; for example:
    on a 4-CPU machine, suppose you have a long 1-CPU job in EDF mode, and some 4-CPU jobs. 3 CPUs will be idle until the 1-CPU job finishes. Furthermore, the work fetch mechanism won't try to get jobs (possibly non-MT) from other projects, because the RR simulation doesn't reflect the scheduling policy's exclusion principle.

    The change: schedule jobs until ncpus_used >= ncpus. E.g. in the above situation run the 1- and 4-CPU jobs together. In extreme cases we might run 3 1-CPU jobs and the 4-CPU job. This will degrade the performance of the 4-CPU job, but that's probably better than having idle CPUs.
  • API, client, and Manager: add an optional "reason" argument to boinc_temporary_exit(), explaining why the app is exiting. Convey this to the client, and then to the Manager, and display it there and in the log.
  • client win compile fix.
  • client: fix an instance of sprintf(buf, "%s...", buf) on Unix.
  • API: fix compile error on Mac.
  • client: When available, use total RAM value from CAL for all ATI OpenCL GPUs, not only for the "best" GPU.
  • MGR: Rename the "Remaining" column to "Remaining (Estimated)" in the Advanced GUI/Work view.
  • Mac installer: Create RealName field for users boinc_master and boinc_project and set it to empty string.
  • client: amend checkin of 18 Feb ([trac]changeset:25291[/trac]) to not request work if work buffer is above upper limit.
  • client, web: change default prefs to min_buf=.1 days, max_buf=.5 days.
  • MGR: Change strings in Simple View to match changes in Advanced View: "Remaining" -> "Remaining (Estimated)", "Home page".
  • client: On Mac only, get ATI RAM sizes from OpenGL.
  • client: fix crashing bug when there is 1 instance of a resources. I'm not sure how this every worked.


    Preliminiary Change Log 7.0.19 --> 7.0.20:
  • Mac installer: Utility shell script creates RealName field for users boinc_master and boinc_project and sets it to empty string.
  • Manager: small code cleanup.
  • Manager: in Project Properties page, show if a GPU type is excluded by configuration.
  • client: don't fetch work for a resource type if all instances of that type are excluded.
  • typo fix.
  • Quick Updates.
  • Update Translations to v7 compliancy.



Available installers:
Linux
- boinc_7.0.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.20_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.20_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.20_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.20_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.20_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.20_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8461) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42915)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.19 available for testing for Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.18 --> 7.0.19:

  • Mac installer: Update copyright notice from 2009 to 2012.
  • client: change the job scheduling policy for MT jobs.
    The old policy avoided running an N-CPU job unless N CPUs were free. This could result in idle CPUs for long periods; for example:
    on a 4-CPU machine, suppose you have a long 1-CPU job in EDF mode, and some 4-CPU jobs. 3 CPUs will be idle until the 1-CPU job finishes. Furthermore, the work fetch mechanism won't try to get jobs (possibly non-MT) from other projects, because the RR simulation doesn't reflect the scheduling policy's exclusion principle.

    The change: schedule jobs until ncpus_used >= ncpus. E.g. in the above situation run the 1- and 4-CPU jobs together. In extreme cases we might run 3 1-CPU jobs and the 4-CPU job. This will degrade the performance of the 4-CPU job, but that's probably better than having idle CPUs.
  • API, client, and Manager: add an optional "reason" argument to boinc_temporary_exit(), explaining why the app is exiting. Convey this to the client, and then to the Manager, and display it there and in the log.
  • client win compile fix.
  • client: fix an instance of sprintf(buf, "%s...", buf) on Unix.
  • API: fix compile error on Mac.
  • client: When available, use total RAM value from CAL for all ATI OpenCL GPUs, not only for the "best" GPU.
  • MGR: Rename the "Remaining" column to "Remaining (Estimated)" in the Advanced GUI/Work view.
  • Mac installer: Create RealName field for users boinc_master and boinc_project and set it to empty string.
  • client: amend checkin of 18 Feb ([trac]changeset:25291[/trac]) to not request work if work buffer is above upper limit.
  • client, web: change default prefs to min_buf=.1 days, max_buf=.5 days.
  • MGR: Change strings in Simple View to match changes in Advanced View: "Remaining" -> "Remaining (Estimated)", "Home page".
  • client: On Mac only, get ATI RAM sizes from OpenGL.
  • client: fix crashing bug when there is 1 instance of a resources. I'm not sure how this every worked.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.19_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.19_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.19_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8462) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC jobs are not suspending (Message 42871)
Posted 5 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When checking in Windows Task Manager, is the process boinctray.exe running?
If it isn't, start it by navigating to your BOINC programs directory, default at C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and (double-)clicking on boinctray.exe

This is the idle detection program that BOINC needs to use under Windows 7 and Vista. It does not start with BOINC, but only from the registry. So it only starts after a reboot.
8463) Message boards : Questions and problems : Re-Installation as a Service Fails (Message 42870)
Posted 5 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
so I don't know where it is finding this account since it was removed during the un-install process.

Uninstalling BOINC does not remove:
- The accounts it made for itself.
- The data directory.
- The registry entries at HKLM, HKCU and HKU.

It only removes its own program files in the \Program Files\ directory.

Now, while your Windows version may not be installed as a DC, you may have updated it so much that by now it may be recognized as being one, by programs including the BOINC installer program (which is really an MSI).

Anyway, check for accounts using an administrator run command line and the net localgroup and net users commands.
8464) Message boards : BOINC client : cpu not being assigned on one system (Message 42863)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this a new feature of 7.0.18 that when it sees gpus using over 1 cpu that it limits cpu tasks?

Yes. Since 7.0.7
David Anderson wrote:
The current policy is:
If a multicore app is running, don't overcommit the CPUs (i.e. don't schedule 4.1 threads on 4 cores).

This is because multicore apps may run inefficiently if the CPUs are even slightly overcommitted (at least, that was the case with AQUA).

We can reconsider this if there's evidence that the above assumption doesn't hold in general.

-- David
8465) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't resolve hostname (Message 42854)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
My crystal ball's batteries are empty, while my hacking skills suck, so I can't hack into the CCTV camera across the road from you, or any NIA satellite that can zoom in far enough, so I can squint over your shoulder and see what you see.

Do see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5925 for some handy hints when asking for help around here. And well, if you don't care to do so, then why should we care to try to help you?
8466) Message boards : BOINC client : exclusive app not shown in BM (Message 42845)
Posted 3 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Suggestion: If cc_config.xml has an exclusive app defined, then it should be honored even if boinc preferences allow GPU to run all the time.

And confuse all those people with the little line there that says: "Suspend processor and network usage when these applications are running" ?? ;-)

However, I agree that the program should show in the exceptions list. Not sure though if only CPU exceptions show here, or also GPU exceptions. You may want to email the alpha list about that.
8467) Message boards : GPUs : Graphics/Screensaver (Message 42838)
Posted 3 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti did not release a graphics application for their CUDA app, because at the time it was deemed that both couldn't run at the same time on a GPU. You will only be able to see the Seti graphics when you run a Seti task on your CPU (Multibeam app v6.03), and then only when you use the standard applications, not any optimized by Lunatics or others.

If you want to see an Earth spinning (CPDN) or a molecule being added to (WCG/Rosetta), you'll need to run those projects and actively run a task for any of those projects. There's little use in showing a molecule being assembled when searching for ETI, hence why Seti won't show that. Though any folding projects may.
8468) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can I move WU's and state files, etc.? (Message 42837)
Posted 3 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project graphics use OpenGL, which isn't part of the drivers installed by Windows. You will have to upgrade the drivers from the Nvidia site to get OpenGL support.

Before you wonder, the BOINC screen saver is also OpenGL, but if that's not found it switches to DirectX automatically.
8469) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot install BOINC on Windows 8 Consumer Preview (Message 42834)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.12.34 won't detect that Windows version anyway, it doesn't have Windows 8 detection built in. You'll need at least 6.12.38, although 6.12.43 has further fixes. So best get that.

6.12.43 32bit version
6.12.43 64bit version

Then when reading this old thread where people were trying to do this before, they noticed they needed to install BOINC as a service or protected application execution to be able to get it to work. That will stop GPU detection though.

But even after all that, it's a beta Windows you're running. It'll need quite a bit more work from what I read. You can't expect full compatibility from every piece of software out there. Not until a complete full release is out.
8470) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't resolve hostname (Message 42832)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your BOINC is unable to make contact with the project it is trying to contact, either due to it being down, or due to your computer or ISP having domain name service (DNS) trouble. It is therefore not able to resolve the host name, or legible address, of the server you're trying to reach.
8471) Message boards : BOINC client : multiple NVIDIA GPUs (Message 42828)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded it to Rom, asked him to pass by. Can't promise anything. :-)
8472) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can I move WU's and state files, etc.? (Message 42821)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best set No New Tasks on all projects, run the cache empty before changing OSes. You're now certainly using 32bit applications, that's not so certain under Win 7 - 64bit.

After that, make a backup of your BOINC Data directory.
Default at Windows XP this will be at: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ (this may be a hidden directory, so make sure to run with Show hidden files and folders).
Under Windows 7 this changes to default C:\Programdata\BOINC\ due to permission trouble it'll have at the old position (nothing is allowed to write C:\Documents and Settings\ anymore).

Never mind about the old BOINC programs directory, you don't need it.

Then first install the new OS;
- Next move the data directory to its new place first. Make sure that the permissions on the directory are correct (for at least the account you plan to run BOINC with);
- Next install BOINC, whereby in the third screen in the installer you click the Advanced button;
-- Check the default paths for the programs and data directory. Everything as you want it to?
- Continue installation of BOINC.
- Start BOINC, sit through the benchmarks, then set Allow new tasks.

And you should be done here.

If however you plan on using a GPU to do work with:
a) Install the manufacturer's driver before you install BOINC.
b) Don't install BOINC as a service (protected application execution), since this will break GPU detection under Windows Vista and 7, due to drivers running under a separate account than BOINC.
8473) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 42817)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
(come to think of it, this probably affects BOINC as well)

Yes, it does. The whole BOINC domain will be out for the duration of that time as well; 8.00am - 10.00am Californian time is 16.00-18.00 UTC.
8474) Message boards : GPUs : Using CUDA causes Infinite Loop BSOD (Message 42813)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
nv4_disp.dll is part of the Nvidia videocard drivers. A problem has been reported in the 295.73 WHQL Nvidia drivers, but it's totally nothing to do with BOINC. See this thread over at the Nvidia forums for a lot more complaints and crashes.
8475) Message boards : Questions and problems : can´t oppen WU template -1 (Message 42810)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best write questions like that to the BOINC Projects email list. You will get help much easier on there, either from other project admins, or from the developers.

This list does require registration.
8476) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver distortion (Message 42807)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to update your Intel HD Graphics driver first (direct link to the correct last driver, just click the Download button).

I never managed to get the graphics chip in my i3-530 working correctly (read: at all). So other than that, I don't know. Interference? Corruption? You can only test by actually adding a videocard to see if that one does it normally.
8477) Message boards : Questions and problems : ATI 5670 with 7.0.18 (Message 42805)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 620 value is not peak value. I don't know what value that is.
But at least the value that's used in BOINC is being calculated from the values found in the drivers.

x = attribs.numberOfSIMD * attribs.wavefrontSize * 2.5 * attribs.engineClock * 1.e6
became
x = attribs.numberOfSIMD * attribs.wavefrontSize * 5 * attribs.engineClock * 1.e6


and

x = opencl_prop.max_compute_units * 16 * 2.5 * opencl_prop.max_clock_frequency * 1e6;
became
x = opencl_prop.max_compute_units * 16 * 5 * opencl_prop.max_clock_frequency * 1e6;


I know your GPU isn't a double precision GPU. I never said it was. I only said that the previous flops value for all GPUs was the double precision value and is now the single precision value.

8478) Message boards : Questions and problems : worldcomunitygrid showing error in history file, but not in messages. (Message 42804)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you be so good and post it onto the BOINC Alpha email list, please? With all possible info surrounding that (hostID is always nice, actual message log snippet is also nice).
8479) Message boards : Questions and problems : can´t oppen WU template -1 (Message 42801)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
In what context? What are you trying to do, where do you see this (And I suspect you see 'open', not 'oppen') ??
8480) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why do I keep getting Login Fails? (Message 42798)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Very simple thing, but did you allow BOINC through your firewall again?
Boinc.exe needs access to the internet on TCP port 80 and 443 plus localhost access on TCP 31416
Boincmgr.exe needs localhost access on TCP 31416.
8481) Message boards : Documentation : What are the software components of BOINC? (Message 42790)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
the "BOINC Wrapper" that's boincmgr, the GUI?

No. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WrapperApp

With the BOINC Wrapper a project can quickly make their science application run under BOINC, without having to rewrite & recompile it so it's compatible with BOINC. For some projects this means they can run their application in the original programming language.

With BOINC 7, the Virtual Box wrapper will be coming in swing as well, where a project can opt for running their science applications only in a virtual machine environment. The Virtual Box wrapper (or vboxwrapper) will then be able to communicate between the VM and BOINC.
8482) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ask.com & Boinc (Message 42789)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Coincidence then? Gremlins? Ghosts in the machine?
Anything seen in Windows Event Viewer around the time your BM went haywire?
8483) Message boards : Documentation : What are the software components of BOINC? (Message 42782)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. boinc: (core client/Daemon)
2. boincmgr: Project Manager (the BOINC GUI)
3. Software installed by each project to crunch their data.

1. BOINC core client: Does all the scheduling of when to contact projects and when to run what, caching of your work, uploading/downloading/reporting and other contacts, etc.

2. BOINC Manager gives you an easy way of giving commands to the client, but other than showing the Event log/Messages and the Notices it doesn't do much of its own.

3. Science applications do all the hard work, crunching the data you get from the projects on CPU and GPU.

4. BOINC Server software: Is the BOINC back-end on project servers, manages all account and hostIDs, credits, RAC, forums and such.
8484) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ask.com & Boinc (Message 42781)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I hate those Ask.com installers, some will even still install Ask.com after you unchecked all of the options, or thought you did. And then there's one installer out there that will install Ask.com after you unchecked all boxes, as only then do you acknowledge that you wanted to install the crap...

Anyway, your problem. What does stderrgui.txt have to say about your BM closing on you? Anything in there?
8485) Message boards : Questions and problems : libnotify.so.4: cannot open shared object file (Message 42775)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Again, not without you telling which BOINC version you are using. Not without you telling where you got it from, Berkeley or the package manager, or are you compiling it yourself from source code? If from source, where did you get this source from? Are you following http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient#Linux or anything else? Not without you telling which distro of Linux you're trying to do all this on.

Oh, and when you use the 'report post' function again to bring this thread to moderator attention or try to make your thread more important than others, I am going to lock this thread. That's not what the report post function is for. Just think about what if everyone started using it for that.
8486) Message boards : Questions and problems : libnotify.so.4: cannot open shared object file (Message 42771)
Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Look, do you mind to give some more information for the people trying to help you? See this thread as a guide-line.
8487) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia GPU Computation Errors after Driver Update (Message 42769)
Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would think that when newer drivers give errors, while previous drivers didn't, that going back to the previous drivers might be the first step to follow. But that might be me.
8488) Message boards : GPUs : Powercolor 5750 GPU not working (Message 42766)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, just to make sure that no older drivers or parts of older drivers are in the way here, pelase follow this FAQ to clean them out.

Then after that, download the 11.12 Catalysts here, save them on your system and then install them. You shouldn't need to install Powercolor's drivers, they don't add much of anything. And besides, their offering is for the 11.11s only so far, they won't work on top of later drivers.
8489) Message boards : Questions and problems : "Over 100% complete" problem (Message 42765)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Complain at the project, if they have forums. It's their application that does this, not BOINC.
8490) Message boards : GPUs : Powercolor 5750 GPU not working (Message 42755)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would also be nice to know which operating system we're talking about, or indeed BOINC version.
8491) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Tasks quit with "Computational Error" (Message 42754)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why ask here? Computational errors are a project thing, not so much a BOINC thing. BOINC doesn't crunch the work, the project science applications do that, remember?

Anyway, what I see on your host at MW is all exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005).

See this FAQ for possible causes.

You can also use MemtestG80 and/or OCCT Perestroika to test your GPU's memory.
8492) Message boards : Questions and problems : OSX Lion - not authorized - 6.12.35 for Mac OS X (Message 42747)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Donna, can you please try BOINC 7.0.18 available from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php and see if that fares better? If not, please let me know ASAP and I'll forward your plight to the developers.
8493) Message boards : Questions and problems : ATI 5670 with 7.0.18 (Message 42746)
Posted 25 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The GFLOP value changed used before was calculated as double precision value, while not all ATI GPUs can do this. So it was changed to show peak performance when doing single precision calculations.
8494) Message boards : Questions and problems : Version 7.0.18 is asking ATI wu's only (Message 42738)
Posted 25 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that's a feature. All normal. This is in case LHC ever releases an ATI app, then your BOINC will automatically go fetch work for your GPU from that project. It'll do separate requests for work for the CPU, you probably just have enough work still on your system.

As for using a development version of BOINC, do keep up when new versions come out. These aren't development versions for nothing.
8495) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 42733)
Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti's got a work outage.

Jeff Cobb wrote:
There is a problem with the new workunit table. Repairs are underway. We cannot generate new work until this table is back online.

Thread
8496) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I resolve a HTTP error (Message 42727)
Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not when the project in question is congested. I suppose you're talking about Seti? They're a bit clogged up due to their 2 day server outage earlier this week. usually by Friday everything's tapering off, but not now.

So it's just that it can't upload as a couple of thousand of other computers are also trying to do so. Like trying to thread a sausage through a needle. Patience, it'll get there.
8497) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tesla GPUs not detected in SLES 11.1 64-bit (Message 42723)
Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC client version 6.2.18 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

Is nothing newer available for your distro? CUDA detection started only from 6.4.5 onwards, ATI detection from 6.10 onwards.

You will probably also need videocard drivers from the GPU manufacturer, nVidia CUDA 2.0 - 177.35 and above.
8498) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I resolve a HTTP error (Message 42722)
Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Add to your cc_config.xml file the following line(s):

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<http_debug>1</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


This will give a LOT more information about which HTTP error you're encountering. Then you can check in a list, like this one what it means. In 99% of these cases you can't do anything about it. Then it's either your ISP or the project that's dropping connections or actively blocking.

If you want you can post the log excerpt with the extra HTTP debug info on the forums. Please don't edit anything out, including the IP numbers. Those IP numbers aren't of your system, but of the servers you're trying to contact.
8499) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why am I only running .05 cpu + 1.0 ATI gpu and nothing else? (Message 42712)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most probably because it only has work downloaded for the GPU, not for the CPU. Check the BOINC Event Log for that. And if you think you must post it, please don't do it all, but only the excerpt (10 lines each side) from around the request for work and answer there to.
8500) Message boards : BOINC client : OS X GPU Calculations While Running as Daemon (Message 42710)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have read that on Linux versions X needs to be loaded before BOINC loads, in order to be able to detect the GPU. But that's also only when not sandboxed, thus not installed as a daemon, or else you needing to copy drivers around or symlinking to them.

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/sandbox.php for a lot of (developer) information.
8501) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why am I only running .05 cpu + 1.0 ATI gpu and nothing else? (Message 42709)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that Seti had an extended outage, due to a memory problem in one of their servers, and that therefore until yesterday no work was going out? You also know that since it's been effectively 2 days that they had their outage, that about all the computers they got attached are now frantically trying to upload & report all their done work and getting new, thereby overloading the feeder, servers and bandwidth?

If you know all this, then the answer is simple, right? ;-)

Anyway, project problems are always best asked at the project's forums. Also always glance at their news on the front page, it'll tell a lot.
8502) Message boards : Questions and problems : Range of dates on statistics (Message 42703)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Navigate to your BOINC Data directory.
Find the statistics_*.xml file and open it with a text editor, such as Notepad. No need to use an XML edit.

In it you'll find time stamps in Unix clock format.
E.g. mine from Albert.
<project_statistics>
    <master_url>project URL</master_url>
    <daily_statistics>
        <day>1326844800.000000</day>
        <user_total_credit>16000.000000</user_total_credit>
        <user_expavg_credit>756.709427</user_expavg_credit>
        <host_total_credit>16000.000000</host_total_credit>
        <host_expavg_credit>757.380135</host_expavg_credit>
    </daily_statistics>
    <daily_statistics>
        <day>1326931200.000000</day>
        <user_total_credit>16000.000000</user_total_credit>
        <user_expavg_credit>644.494901</user_expavg_credit>
        <host_total_credit>16000.000000</host_total_credit>
        <host_expavg_credit>645.063585</host_expavg_credit>
    </daily_statistics>
    <daily_statistics>
        <day>1327017600.000000</day>
        <user_total_credit>17500.000000</user_total_credit>
        <user_expavg_credit>706.009674</user_expavg_credit>
        <host_total_credit>17500.000000</host_total_credit>
        <host_expavg_credit>706.513130</host_expavg_credit>
    </daily_statistics>
    <daily_statistics>
        <day>1327104000.000000</day>
        <user_total_credit>18000.000000</user_total_credit>
        <user_expavg_credit>738.735278</user_expavg_credit>
        <host_total_credit>18000.000000</host_total_credit>
        <host_expavg_credit>739.227172</host_expavg_credit>
    </daily_statistics>
<project_statistics>


See those day entries? Find the one that's the lowest and remove the whole <daily_statistics>..</daily_statistics> part around that day. Then save the file (just with File-Save or CTRL + S), exit the file and then exit & restart BOINC.

That should do it.
8503) Message boards : GPUs : Use only 1 GPU (Message 42700)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'd have to add an anonymous platform (app_info.xml) file that says you want to run more than one task on that GPU. But for that you better look in, or ask on, the Einstein forums. Start by checking all those threads asking about app_info.xml files in http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_forum.php?id=3. And if still confused, just ask there. ;-)
8504) Message boards : GPUs : Use only 1 GPU (Message 42698)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have to exit BOINC & restart it to have this option work. GPU decisions are at present only made at BOINC start-up. Ignoring a GPU is such a decision.
See How to exit BOINC completely? for info on that.
8505) Message boards : BOINC client : OS X GPU Calculations While Running as Daemon (Message 42697)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When using BOINC as a daemon, you've sandboxed BOINC, meaning it runs in its own separate little bit of space. It can't look in other directories than the program and data directory for additional programs or drivers. And there's the problem when you want to do work on a GPU. For that BOINC needs to be able to see which videocard drivers you have installed as it checks in a certain file in the drivers whether or not the GPU is capable to work with.

So on the system that does work, you either haven't installed BOINC as a daemon, or you have copied some files around so (parts of) the driver files are in the BOINC programs directory, or you used symlinks to those drivers.
8506) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to checkout from svn the BOINC source (Message 42680)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
lol, you're welcome. Easy mistake to make.

We never close or delete threads around here, unless they contain spam only. For all we know tomorrow another person comes in looking for an answer to the same problem and presto, he's silently helped. :-)

I must ask though, on this:
svn: Repository moved permanently to 'http://berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc'; please relocate

did that answer with the bad link come from the site, or did you mistype the answer? As http://berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc does indeed not exist.
8507) Message boards : BOINC Manager : idea: notes on the statistics (Message 42679)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like it, although it's probably next to impossible to implement and get it working on all three main platforms. But nonetheless, I forwarded your request to the developers. :-)
8508) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to checkout from svn the BOINC source (Message 42676)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://berkley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc

Berkeley is spelled with three E's. So the correct link to use is http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc/
8509) Message boards : Questions and problems : how do i set my boinc client to only accept multi-threaded tasks (Message 42672)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, so you can. Must be a new addition then, since their server update a week or what back. Ok, thanks for that.
8510) Message boards : Questions and problems : how do i set my boinc client to only accept multi-threaded tasks (Message 42669)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since Milkyway has no way to set which applications you want to run, they'll get onto your system automatically. They're the N-Body tasks, recognizable by the (mt) addition in the name, but I can tell you that they don't run for long. 3 to 9 seconds at most on my i3-530 (2+2).

So in their case, you can't, unless you want to spend time on setting up an anonymous platform file. But then you have the problem that their N-Body tasks aren't around much. They only come in batches.
8511) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 42662)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why has this been rejected? I cannot find the specific parts of this in this thread, perhaps it was discussed long ago? What is the problem with having the task finish before moving on to another? I don't understant why this cannot be done, it sounds relatively simple to do.

Relatively simple? Nay, not that easily done.
There is work out there that runs quickly, within minutes, from zero to 90-95% and then runs for hours on the remaining 5%. (Usually the protein folding projects, using Autodock).

There's also work out there that runs for more than 100%. Einstein has a couple of applications that run multiple minutes for 100%, can even be paused at 100% when switching for another project's app. Enigma's application will run to 100%, reset its progress and do it again to 100%.

Climate Prediction still has models where the last 2-10% can take days, if not weeks on even a fast CPU. You do not want this one to take over as then your other work will time out.

So as you can see, four applications already that do not adhere to your 'relatively simple' idea.

This idea has been around for about as much time as BOINC has been around. But it's mainly impossible to implement. Not unless all projects go use the same source code for their applications --and what's the fun in that?
8512) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 42654)
Posted 21 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
not sure if it has been mentioned yet or not, but I'd like to see a check box that says, "finsih work unit before moving on to another"

Not going to happen. From Do not stop until it is over: at 98% or more, continue till end of task.:
David (Anderson): This has been discussed and rejected; a job may stay at 99% done for a long time.


In addition I would like to see more control over how resources on my computer are used.

???
You mean you want to decide when what runs for how long and such, instead of BOINC doing that? Why not set the project resource shares to something more your liking?

In addition, fix the priority running

There is nothing to fix here. The first thing BOINC will do is try to get ALL the work on your computer in by the deadline. That's why work further away will at times go into high priority mode, to make sure that that work and all in between will make it by deadline. Mostly seen on systems that have too large a cache to begin with, but as long as BOINC is allowed to continue uninterrupted (and without you deciding what's best for the World), it will learn to ask a little less work next time.
8513) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42652)
Posted 21 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.18 available for testing for Macintosh, Windows and Linux.

Howdy Folks,

We have a new build to test. This release brings many new features to BOINC centered around VirtualBox virtualization technology.

In order to test out the new features you'll need to attach to the Vbox test project here:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox

Once attached and running a CERNVM task from the Vbox project the 'Show Graphics' button should open up a web browser and let you see what the CERN VM is up too. If you use Internet Explorer as a web browser you'll also need to install the video codex from https://tools.google.com/dlpage/webmmf.

We believe we are really close to a public release, please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha as soon as possible.

As always report bugs to this email list.


Thanks in advance.



----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.17 --> 7.0.18:

  • client: message tweaks.
  • MGR/client: fix bugs in GUI RPC that prevented updates to proxy info from being saved by client.
  • MGR: compile fix.
  • client: define a "arrived-first" order on results in which the tiebreaker is MD5 of name. That way the order is stable (it doesn't change from one run of the client to the next) and it doesn't grep results with similar names (and hence for the same app).
    This ordering is used for
    1) the order of display in the manager
    2) the job scheduler's notion of FIFO

  • client: Fix OpenCL NVIDIA GPU enumeration bug I introduced with last checkin.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.18_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.18_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.18_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.18_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.18_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.18_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.18_windows_x86_64.exe

8514) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc Condition (Message 42650)
Posted 21 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, through resource shares set at the projects.
A resource share of zero will be recognized as "Only fetch work from this project when the main project is down or out of work".

So, set project A to RS 100 and projects B and C to RS 0.
You do need a 6.10 client for this to work, while the projects needs to be updated to a latest version of the server software. But lots of them out there are.
8515) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42648)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.17 available for testing for Windows and Linux.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.15 --> 7.0.16:

  • client (Unix): don't print misleading "task exited with no finish file" message if task actually called boinc_temporary_exit().
  • client: If OpenCL but no CAL or no CUDA, copy GPU model name from OpenCL.
  • MGR: On Mac, ensure any modal dialog remains in front when Manager is activated.
  • client: zero PROJECT::last_upload_start on reset, so that we can fetch work immediately.
  • client: in PERS_FILE_XFER::create_xfer(), check for already-existing file before seeing we're allowed to start a new xfer.
  • client: in PERS_FILE_XFER::create_xfer(), if an async verify is in progress, mark PERS_FILE_XFER as done.
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: Try to fix incorrect NVIDIA device number in OpenCL descriptions.
  • MGR: Update <organization_*> tags in 3 branded skins (GR, PtP, CE) to new values from Matt Blumberg.
  • Mac sandbox: Don't check permissions of project-created subdirectories under project or slot directories.
  • Update Translations.
  • client: instead of saying "comm deferred", say "project backoff XXX.XX".
  • client: more tweaks to work-fetch messages.
  • lib: change get_mac_address() to avoid sprintf(buf, "%s...", buf); use strcat instead.
  • client: don't use get_mac_address() to create host CPIDs (we have plenty of other info to make them unique).
  • client: fetch work from backup (zero resource share) projects only if a device instance is idle.
  • client: Remove some temporary debugging code.
  • client: Always use GPU model name from OpenCL if available for ATI / AMD GPUs.
  • client: fix bug where WCG downloads were getting wrong size errors. To be honest, I don't know that the problem was or why my change fixed it.
  • client: Prevent an unlikely but possible crash.
  • MGR: Fix a Mac-only bug which showed Event Log if About BOINC is selected from task bar menu when BOINC is hidden.


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.16 --> 7.0.17:


  • Mac: Fix back trace to work under OS > 10.5.
  • client: Fix OpenCL NVIDIA GPU detection when CUDA is not present.
  • client: tweak to work-fetch policy:
    If we're making a scheduler RPC to a project for reasons other than work fetch, and we're deciding whether to ask for work, ignore hysteresis;
    i.e. ask for work even if we're above the min buffer (idea from John McLeod).
  • client: fix bug in notices where, after a notice is deleted, the notices tab refreshes once/second forever after.



Available installers:
Linux
- boinc_7.0.17_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.17_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.17_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.17_windows_x86_64.exe

8516) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42647)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.16 available for testing for Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.15 --> 7.0.16:

  • client (Unix): don't print misleading "task exited with no finish file" message if task actually called boinc_temporary_exit().
  • client: If OpenCL but no CAL or no CUDA, copy GPU model name from OpenCL.
  • MGR: On Mac, ensure any modal dialog remains in front when Manager is activated.
  • client: zero PROJECT::last_upload_start on reset, so that we can fetch work immediately.
  • client: in PERS_FILE_XFER::create_xfer(), check for already-existing file before seeing we're allowed to start a new xfer.
  • client: in PERS_FILE_XFER::create_xfer(), if an async verify is in progress, mark PERS_FILE_XFER as done.
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: Try to fix incorrect NVIDIA device number in OpenCL descriptions.
  • MGR: Update <organization_*> tags in 3 branded skins (GR, PtP, CE) to new values from Matt Blumberg.
  • Mac sandbox: Don't check permissions of project-created subdirectories under project or slot directories.
  • Update Translations.
  • client: instead of saying "comm deferred", say "project backoff XXX.XX".
  • client: more tweaks to work-fetch messages.
  • lib: change get_mac_address() to avoid sprintf(buf, "%s...", buf); use strcat instead.
  • client: don't use get_mac_address() to create host CPIDs (we have plenty of other info to make them unique).
  • client: fetch work from backup (zero resource share) projects only if a device instance is idle.
  • client: Remove some temporary debugging code.
  • client: Always use GPU model name from OpenCL if available for ATI / AMD GPUs.
  • client: fix bug where WCG downloads were getting wrong size errors. To be honest, I don't know that the problem was or why my change fixed it.
  • client: Prevent an unlikely but possible crash.
  • MGR: Fix a Mac-only bug which showed Event Log if About BOINC is selected from task bar menu when BOINC is hidden.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.16_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.16_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.16_i686-apple-darwin.zip

8517) Message boards : Questions and problems : Older version cannot be removed (Message 42632)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a Windows (installer) error, not much to do with BOINC itself. It's Windows which has lost where it put the BOINC.MSI file. See this FAQ for options on how to fix that.
8518) Message boards : Questions and problems : task management is useless (Message 42630)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a document or posting that summarizes what goals and features the upcoming boinc release strives for?

Sorry, my FAQ isn't ready for mainstream yet.

In the mean time, parts of http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSchedOctTen and [url=http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNew[/url] will be included, as well as full(er) control options for VMs. Oh, and the new simple GUI, of course, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/New_Simple_View_Design.
8519) Message boards : Questions and problems : task management is useless (Message 42629)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
yet I still have to micromanage things

Says who? Who is forcing you to do these things? Why not just let it go, and let that task or those tasks go past the deadline? How else is BOINC ever going to learn for itself when you are making all the decisions? Why can't you let go?

I haven't checked on my running BOINC for a week now. It's probably doing something, since the CPU is hotter than during idle hours.

Yet if you think something is broken, add the appropriate debug flags (<rr_simulation/> and <cpu_sched_debug/> in this case) and send a report in to the BOINC alpha email list (registration required). Or go get the source code, fix whatever you think is broken, compile a client, test it out and tell the developers about it.

Until that time, and until you can let go of doing all the scheduling your self, you ain't got a leg to stand on.
8520) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC leading to BugCheck on windows (after installation of newest NVIDIA driver) (Message 42624)
Posted 19 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
And? "VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT" says all, I would assume. Not a BOINC problem, but a driver problem. Uninstall your present driver and go back to one that's stable.
8521) Message boards : Questions and problems : BM background Transparant / not opaque problem. (Message 42623)
Posted 19 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the videocard change didn't do it, I'd think it's the motherboard that's broken. Normally any artifacts are either caused by a broken videocard, underpowered PSU or broken motherboard.

When you're using the videocard for crunching, try doing without GPU crunching.
8522) Message boards : Questions and problems : Some HTTP error (Message 42619)
Posted 19 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
When other projects work without problems on that machine, it isn't your BOINC version that causes this but the project --it may just be dropping the connection when your system tries to do uploads. Many server connection problems are project problems, so you'll have to continue to bombard them with your problem.
8523) Message boards : Questions and problems : Snooze or Quit not killing climateprediction.net task? (Message 42612)
Posted 18 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Problems with project science applications, which this is, are best asked at the project's forums. In this case the CPDN boards. Their developers are available there to answer any question you have.
8524) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager not populated with data (Message 42609)
Posted 17 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC consists of two main parts. One is the client (boinc.exe) and one is the graphical user interface called the manager (boincmgr.exe), or BOINC Manager. The client does all the hard work, the manager is used to give commands to the client.

These parts of BOINC need to be able to talk to each other, therefore they need to be added to the exclusion zone of your firewall, where boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe are allowed to talk to each other on TCP and UDP ports 31416. Boinc.exe needs separate access to the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.

What you see, a BOINC Manager without anything showing, is normally happening when either:
1. The client isn't running, so check in Windows task manager that boinc.exe is running, either for your account name or processes for all users; if it isn't, exit all BOINC Managers and start just one.
2. BOINC Manager can't make contact with the client. It will say this with a pop-up window. The client will be running, but the manager will just not be able to connect to it. A reboot will usually help here, as that clears up all ports in use on the computer.

Most projects have science applications that do checkpointing, meaning that they write progress reports of where they are in a task to disk. Some don't have this (such as BURP, Renderfarm.fi and The Lattice Project), but most others do. This means that you can easily reboot the computer without losing (too) much progress.
8525) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where's my config & local prefs file? (Message 42601)
Posted 17 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The config file meant there is the cc_config.xml file, or core client configuration file, which is used to add functionality and debugging flags to the client. It doesn't come with BOINC, one has to create one by hand in the BOINC Data directory. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration for more information.

The read local prefs file option is only needed when you use local preferences (Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences). Again, BOINC doesn't come with this file, it is only generated after you once went into this menu and exited it with the OK button. Then a file called global_prefs_override.xml will be made in your BOINC Data directory.

Both of these files can be edited by hand, can be added to or things taken out of. Then after you saved the contents, you can make BOINC re-read the contents of them with those menu options, without having to do a BOINC exit & restart.
If you never made either file, or never gave them any changes, you can re-read them ad nausea, without anything changing.
8526) Message boards : Questions and problems : Uppercase, help! (Message 42597)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/JobSubmission
8527) Message boards : Questions and problems : Request: Time of use (TOU) processing (Message 42595)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That wasn't what you asked in the first post, but OK. It's been asked before and it is in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PrefsRemodel, which is something the developers use as a guide for future additions.
8528) Message boards : Questions and problems : Straight to notices tab (Message 42590)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
May I point out that without some further info it's very difficult to diagnose what you see?
8529) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Suggestions (Message 42589)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tasks ready to report aren't active tasks. Want to see these? Switch to viewing all tasks. Active tasks are only those Running, Suspended and "Ready to run". Not Aborted, Ready to start, Ready to report, Uploading or Downloading.

Tasks will be reported automatically at:
1) 24 hours before deadline
2) Connect Every X before deadline.
3) 24 hours after task completion.
4) Immediately if the upload completes later than either 1, 2, or 3 upon completion of the task.
5) On a trickle up message (CPDN only, I believe).
6) On a trickle down request.
7) On a server scheduled connection. Used, but I am not certain by which project.
8) On a request for new work.
9) When the user pushes the update button.
10) On a request from an account manager.
11) Report immediately every task, if "No new Task" is set. (6.12.33+)

When they aren't, you either have your network activity disabled, or you have a bug in BOINC. Then it would be prudent to know which version of BOINC you have, which project it is for, whether or not that project is actually up, etc.
8530) Message boards : Questions and problems : Request: Time of use (TOU) processing (Message 42588)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is already possible, through the "Do work only between the hours of" hours available in project preferences and BOINC advanced preferences. I use it so BOINC only runs between 9pm and 7am, indeed when electricity is cheaper.

And although on holidays the cheap rate continues as well as in the weekends, I have set BOINC to run at those days between 9pm and 7am only as well. Doing it that way I managed to get a return of 700 euro from my energy company (Gas + electricity).
8531) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc libssl.so.0.9.8 error on Centos 6 x64 (Message 42575)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not so. BOINC from Berkeley just cannot be built for all Linux distros out there, that's impossible with all the different kernel versions and library requirements. So BOINC from Berkeley is built against Ubuntu, 10.10 or 11, I forget which. It'll be fully compatible with that version.

If you want a fully compatible version for your distro, check out the package manager. BOINC 6.12.34 is the latest recommended), since BOINC 7 isn't released yet. So package manager maintainers are hesitant to add BOINC 7, due to it still being in development.

When you get such an error message, either check whether your system actually has the library version BOINC asks for, or symlink towards where it is. Try ldd boinc and ldd boincmgr (that's el dee dee) to see all the libraries needed and what's installed on your system and where.
8532) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac OS X 10.7.3 OpenCL (Message 42562)
Posted 14 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded the info to the developer, he answered me:

Please note that there are various reports of corrupted 10.7.3 *delta* updates. I recommend you download and install the 10.7.3 *combo* update again (right onto your delta-updated 10.7.3 system) just to make sure.
Get the combo update here:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1484

Also, I originally installed CUDA 4.1.28 at the same time as the OS 10.7.3 update, and BOINC crashed on startup. I then went back to NVIDIA's web site and downloaded and installed CUDA Driver 4.1.25. BOINC once again ran properly. I finally re-installed CUDA Driver 4.1.28 and BOINC ran normally. So there may be some significance to the sequence of updates.


8533) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Request - Exclusive apps but shortcuts (Message 42561)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing that'll happen without a full path is that the user needs to make sure he spelled the application name correctly. Which isn't easy, seeing how people manage to misspell BOINC already. ;-)
8534) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Request - Exclusive apps but shortcuts (Message 42559)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think you understand this option wrong. With it you can set which applications BOINC should suspend its calculations for when they are found in memory.

Shortcuts aren't stored in memory, they merely point to where a program is. BOINC also won't retain the full path to the program that you want to Exclude. It'll just check every 10 seconds whether or not any of the programs in that list are also to be found in memory, and once one of them is, it'll suspend all operations, or those for the GPU only (depends on if you have separate <exclusive_gpu_app/>'s set in cc_config.xml).

But I see what you mean about needing to point out where each program is, which can be a meddle finding it. While us Advanced users will just add any program manually through cc_config.xml, I'll ask the developer to add an option that doesn't require filling in the full path.
8535) Message boards : GPUs : Boinc + ironhide + cruncing on 310m nvidia (Message 42555)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Care to tell us less initiated in all things Linux what Ironhide is, other than a Transformers character and a movie (probably about the same character)? Would be appreciated.
8536) Message boards : Questions and problems : running 2 BOINCs ? (Message 42552)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've been thinking... while I wrote an answer to someone else.
Since 6.12 it's no longer possible to run multiple BOINC Manager instances without pointing all of them to their own client. Only one BM can show the contents of one client, any other BM running on the system needs to be pointed at another Boinc.exe, installed in a different directory than the one the present one is installed in.

So you can't point both at C:\BOINC_test_programs\boinc.exe, since one of the Boinc instances needs to be running from its own directory. Or, at least, as far as I know...
8537) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc not running when 2nd user is signed in (Message 42551)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC consists of two main parts, the client (Boinc.exe) and the Manager (Boincmgr.exe), which is a graphical user interface through which you can give commands to the client. Making contact with it is one of those commands.

When you get a message like "another instance of BOINC manager is already running on this computer.", it means exactly what it says: You have started BOINC Manager (BM) already, or there's one running on that computer. Since 6.12 it's no longer possible to run multiple BOINC Manager instances without pointing all of them to their own client. Only one BM can show the contents of one client, any other BM running on the system needs to be pointed at another Boinc.exe, installed in a different directory than the one the present one is installed in.

How do you switch to the other user? By fast user switching, or by logging off and back on? If by fast user switching, as far as I know this won't work with BOINC, unless BOINC is installed as a service (protected application execution).
By fast user switching, you essentially tell Windows to leave everything of the other user running --thus stored in memory-- yet not visually show that to you.

One other way for you to try is to exit BOINC Manager, but leave the science applications/tasks running and then do the user switch. Or log off and back on with the other user.
8538) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Request - Exclusive apps but shortcuts (Message 42547)
Posted 12 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows: Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager. That'll start BOINC and is all you need.
8539) Message boards : Questions and problems : task management is useless (Message 42528)
Posted 11 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
you never know when a PC will be turned off and how long it may remain off

And so how is BOINC supposed to know this? Through some Magic 8 ball encryption, of some sort? Maybe some integration into your calendar, and that you then will put in there when you are going to turn the computer off and back on?

Because come on, really now, if you don't know when you're going to turn computers on and off, then how is the software you run on it supposed to know?
Besides, that is why the redundancy factor is here, where tasks get sent to multiple computers until they're done. If you find that's a waste, then do go make a better version.

Or demand from all projects that they do away with finicky things like deadlines, so you can go turn your computer off when you feel like it, BOINC and work be damned.
8540) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.14 ignores setting of change project every x minutes (Message 42524)
Posted 11 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on which project ran, how much debt it had gathered towards the other projects, whether the tasks ran in high priority and most importantly if the app does checkpoints. When the app doesn't checkpoint, tasks will run from start to finish without let-up.

8541) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42518)
Posted 10 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.15 available for testing for Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.14 --> 7.0.15:

  • client: first pass at async file copy feature. When a large file is copied from a project dir to a slot dir, it's copied in chunks, interleaved with other polling activities such as GUI RPCs. That way the manager doesn't freeze while large copies (e.g. VM images) are happening.
  • client: add async file copy stuff to Windows project file.
  • client: debug async file copy. Seems to be working.
  • client: add async file copy stuff to Xcode project.
  • SCR: Fix Xcode editor problems from recent screensaver.cpp changes.
  • client: intermediate checkin for async file verification.
  • client: Fix compiler warning generated by above checkin.
  • client: Undo my change of 24 Jan 2012 ([trac]changeset:25144[/trac]) which broke WCG's use of the .gzb file extension. I was wrong in how I read the conditional and it turns out that libcurl does not honor the content-encoding even if it is capable of supporting it. My bad.
  • async verify.
  • client: tweaks to AMD GPU detection msgs.
  • client: async file stuff.
  • async decompress/verify seems to be working.
  • client: remove "GPU n is OpenCL-capable" messages. They were redundant with new OPENCL_DEVICE_PROP::description() and were confusing because they only listed the "best" CUDA / CAL GPUs.
  • client: HTTP range request errors are permanent.
  • async file stuff. mostly working. still a few bugs.
  • client: async file stuff:
    -- set threshold at 10 MB for doing things asynchronously.
    -- don't count VERIFY_PENDING as failure.
  • client: Fix bug in setting opencl_device_index.
  • client/MGR/GUI RPC: clean up RPC stuff involving resource-specific backoff and exclusion.

    Old: client writes
            <rsc_backoff_time>
            <rsc_backoff_interval>
            <no_rsc_ams>
            <no_rsc_apps>
            <no_rsc_pref>
    

    in GUI RPC entries for projects.
    Manager (GUI RPC client): PROJECT struct has
            cpu_backoff_time
            cpu_backoff_interval
            ... cuda, ati
            no_cpu_pref
            ... cuda, ati
    

    and it parses tags of these names. In other words, no information is being conveyed from client to Manager.

    New: manager parses both form.
  • bug fixes to previous checkin.
  • client: fix bug in async file verify.

    File verify is done in 4 places:
    -- after a download finishes.
    -- transition result to DOWNLOADED.
    -- if project->verify_files_on_app_start, on app start Use asynchrony only in the first 2 cases, since the async logic is set up to mark the file as PRESENT when done, not to restart a task.
  • client: bug fix for async file ops: set up files in slot dir when starting an app, whether or not it's the first time.
  • client: on startup, check file size as well as existence.
  • client: add <async_file_debug> log flag.
  • client: do decompress (both sync and async) to a temp file, then rename.
  • client: if a file's status is VERIFY_PENDING on startup, set it to NOT_PRESENT; that will trigger a verify.
  • client: do async copy only if size is above threshold.
  • client: fixed a bug in procinfo_app() that would cause processes to be treated as non-BOINC when they actually are, thus falsely triggering CPU-busy suspensions.
  • client: if file is wrong size on startup, delete it.
  • client: only check file size if the FILE_INFO specifies it.
  • Mac: Add note that files and subdirectories in Mac slots and project directories must have group permissions set.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.15_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.15_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.15_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.15_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.15_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.15_windows_x86_64.exe

8542) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU mis-identification (Message 42515)
Posted 10 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC reads the information about the GPU from a dynamic library provided by AMD/ATI, one that's included in your videocard drivers. I see that you report that the message you get is "Catalyst driver version is not okay for OpenCL application with this GPU."

OpenCL is a whole new method of doing the calculations, it has nothing to do with the GPU being single or double precision. Only for the previous CAL calculations at MW was this of importance.

Now, what that message tells you is that the videocard driver that you installed is incompatible with the OpenCL version of the project. You will have to upgrade or downgrade the driver to be in compliance.
8543) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc not running when 2nd user is signed in (Message 42514)
Posted 10 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC isn't all-knowing. When you first install BOINC and then create a second user account in the OS, BOINC won't know about it until you tell it about that other user account.

Can be done by uninstalling BOINC & reinstalling it, then click Advanced in the third screen in the installer, check the option "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC".
8544) Message boards : Questions and problems : Log files format (Message 42509)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which log files are you talking about?
8545) Message boards : Questions and problems : "app speed" in GFLOP/s (Message 42508)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you mean the "Estimated computation size"? These are GFLOPs by the way, not GFLOP/s. As in FLoating point OPerations, not floating point operations per second.

This is the estimated flops value that the project puts on those tasks. These values can vary, even at the same project, for the same application, depending on the run time length of the tasks.
8546) Message boards : Questions and problems : 6.12.35 Mac stops retrieving and processing units (problem & question) (Message 42507)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Difficult to answer without knowing:
1. which project you're talking about.
2. what your "network activity" preference is set to.
3. what your "network allowed" preference is set to.

But, that said, Boinc 7.0.8 is quite an old version. We're up to 7.0.14 with testing, with 7.0.15 rapidly on its way. You may want to upgrade first. Links are in the change log thread.
8547) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost progress after closing BOINC (Message 42506)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not BOINC, but the science applications write checkpoints to disk. Whether or not a science application checkpoints and how frequently it does so, is all up to the project. So yes, it is quite possible that when you close BOINC and restart it, that your work continues from an earlier checkpoint.
8548) Message boards : Questions and problems : calculation errors (Message 42493)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Actually, it looks like the project is using the BOINC OpenCL detection, which the 6.12 clients don't do. You need the BOINC 7 client for that, which is still being tested. However, why not just try 7.0.14? Links available in the change log thread.

This isn't the last 7 test version, more will follow.

How did you install the 11.8 Catalysts? With or without the driver sweep?
8549) Message boards : GPUs : Mixed GPU setup (Message 42488)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK. Just remember that with more than one GPU type in the computer, that the <type/> part is required, and that the application name in the <app/> part does not include the version number and is written in all lower case. It'll just be <app>milkyway_opencl</app> or <app>milkyway_ati13</app>, or something similar.

Although the <app/> part is not required. When you do not specify which app the GPU needs to exclude, it will exclude all available applications.
8550) Message boards : Questions and problems : calculation errors (Message 42486)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try a reboot first. Even though Windows won't tell you to reboot at the end of installing the new Catalysts, it's better that you do anyway.
If that doesn't work, at least your GPU's memory is now cleared as well.

As far as I can see from the error message at MW, (exit code -1073741819 (0xc0000005)) it's possibly driver related. But similarly possible that you have a main memory problem.

So, things for you to do:
1. Disable BOINC, since you run through work unnecessarily now.
2. Test main RAM with Memtest86+, available from http://www.memtest.org/.
3. Uninstall the Catalysts completely, clean them totally off the system, then reinstall either them or an earlier version. (See this FAQ for how to do that).
8551) Message boards : GPUs : Mixed GPU setup (Message 42485)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You need:
- a cc_config.xml file;
- BOINC 7.0.3 or higher. (And really, later versions do have more bug fixes, so why stay on .3?)
- the <exclude_gpu> option.
- Know which GPU is which device number. You can see this at BOINC start-up, in the event log messages.

Then, assuming that the HD5830 is device 1, your HD6550 is device 0:
<cc_config>
  <options>
    <exclude_gpu>
       <url>http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
         <device_num>0</device_num>
           <type>ATI</type>
             <app>milkyway</app>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
       <url>http://albert.phys.uwm.edu/</url>
         <device_num>1</device_num>
           <type>ATI</type>
             <app>einsteinbinary_BRP4</app>
    </exclude_gpu>
  </options>
</cc_config>

This will make sure that the HD6550 is not used by Milkyway and the HD5830 is not used by Albert. It does not affect the Nvidia GPU.

I must add, that I don't know whether the "<app>milkyway</app>" part is correct, you may want to check that. I don't have any entry for that in my client_state.xml file, so it's a guess as to what the app is called.
8552) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where did my BOINC account go? (Message 42474)
Posted 7 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project accounts is something you should take up with the affected projects.

As for an account here, it does happen at times when we clean out the database from those pesky spammers, that an innocent's account is taken along with it, especially when you registered in between a small country of spammers.

Otherwise it's probably at an email address you didn't check. Same for the projects. The email address is the unique identifier.
8553) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 42464)
Posted 6 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, actually the remaining time counting upwards is a direct result of switching between applications on the same Task Duration Correction Factor and different <rsc_fpops_est> values. These values are sent to the client by the project, while when they're totally off from what they should be, a lot of weird things can happen, including the counting upwards of the remaining time.

When you see things like this happening, you may want to report that at the project, including which value the <rsc_fpops_est> has (can be found in client_state.xml) and what your TDCF for the project is.
8554) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42445)
Posted 3 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.14 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.12 --> 7.0.14:

  • client: after a gzipped file is downloaded, we uncompress it and then verify it. The latter involves computing its MD5, which reads the entire file. Combine these 2 steps so that the MD5 is computed as the file is uncompressed, eliminating the need to read the file again.
  • Mac: Update the build instructions with the current URL for c-ares-1.7.4.
  • MGR: If CPU or GPU is suspended from Activity Menu, change "Snooze" to "Resume" in system tray menu.
  • client: always remember previous CPU and GPU activity settings.
  • MGR: in Disk View, try to make colors more distinct. In addition to varying the hue, cycle through 3 different luminance values (.5, .7, .9).
  • MGR: in tooltips for Project/Task buttons, don't prepend "button name: "; add a tooltip for Home Page button.
  • MGR: Disable new "Resume" items in system tray menu if modal dialog is open.
  • screensaver coordinator: use new XML parser.
  • client: Because available GPU RAM value is unreliable, don't defer scheduling a task based on insufficient GPU RAM. For now, the relevant code is guarded by a "#define DEFER_ON_GPU_AVAIL_RAM 0" so we can easily restore it if we find a reliable way to get the value of available GPU RAM periodically.

    NOTE: we are still sending this unreliable value to project servers in the sched_request file. Does it make sense to do so?

  • MGR: change text for buffer-size fields in advanced prefs dialog.
  • Fix job scheduler problem:

    Old: RR simulation marks some jobs as missing their deadline, and the job scheduler runs those jobs as "high priority".
    Problem: those generally aren't the ones we should run.

    E.g. if the client has a lot of jobs from a project, typically the ones with later deadlines are the ones whose deadlines are missed in the simulation.
    But in this case the EDF policy says we should run the ones with earliest deadlines.

    New: if a project has N deadline misses, run its N earliest-deadline jobs, regardless of whether they missed their deadline in the sim.
    Note: this is how it used to be (as designed by John McLeod). I attempted to improve it, and got it wrong.
  • Fix cookie detection problem in IE9/IE10 when UAC is turned on.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.14_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.14_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.14_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.14_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.14_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.14_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.14_windows_x86_64.exe

8555) Message boards : GPUs : Using GPU puts 1 CPU core (of 4) out of use (Message 42389)
Posted 1 Feb 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As ever, mention your BOINC version, which projects you are attached to, which projects you have work from, which projects you run, etc. etc. etc.

Without it there's not much we can do. We're not keeping track of who runs what.
8556) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Problem with BOINC manager from v 6.12.n onwards (Message 42382)
Posted 31 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't understand why 6.12.35 installed from package manager works, 7.0.12 (and backwards) installed from script doesn't work.

This issue seems only affecting Fedora...

BOINC from Berkeley is built on Ubuntu and therefore mainly compatible with that. To make it install on your system, you need all the correct library files installed and in the right place so this BOINC can get to them.

When you install BOINC from your package manager, it's built against the OS you run, with dynamic libraries. This means that it will run out of the box, without you needing to do too much work.

With 6.12 up to .33 there was a problem with Fedora 14 & 15, where the WxWidgets were incompatible. I don't know if that's been fixed yet and I can't ask our resident Linux guru as he went on a destruction spree the past weekend and got himself banished from these forums.

7.0.12 is still a development version of BOINC, it's nowhere near recommended yet. This is why most package manager maintainers will not have it available.
8557) Message boards : GPUs : isn't GPU grid expecting a bit much (Message 42381)
Posted 31 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As always, ask project specific information (task run time length is one of those) at the project. It's nearly impossible for any of us to answer this.
8558) Message boards : Promotion : JavaScript based distributed computing platform (Message 42380)
Posted 31 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'd have to ask at the projects themselves, if you expect quicker returns on your questions. Else use the BOINC Projects email list, most projects (though not all) use that list for communications. This list requires registration.
8559) Message boards : BOINC client : Backup projects (Message 42379)
Posted 31 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, please take it up with development. David Anderson to be precise, he's the most knowledgeable at this time.
8560) Message boards : Questions and problems : Some HTTP error (Message 42348)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please try with this cc_config.xml and post its output.
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Although we can try one quick solution as well.
Use the following cc_config.xml to change the client's use of HTTP from 1.1 to 1.0; some ISPs fare better with HTTP 1.0 connections.
<cc_config>
<options>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
</options>
</cc_config>


This is with 6.10.60, right?
8561) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc not connecting with localhost (Message 42345)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you mean that you get the message "BOINC Manager cannot connect to a client", then first check if boinc.exe is actually running. Do so in Windows Task Manager. If you don't see it running under your own name, do "Show processes from all users" first.

When boinc.exe is running, it may just have its 'chat-channel' blocked by your firewall software. Since you complete newly installed BOINC, you may want to allow boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe through your firewall again. If it needs a port number, TCP 31416. Boinc.exe needs access to the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.
8562) Message boards : Questions and problems : Some HTTP error (Message 42344)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set up a core client configuration file (cc_config.xml) with the following lines in it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<http_debug>1</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Make sure BOINC reads this config file (Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file). Then let it contact Rosetta once and let us see the output of that, completely.

After this disable the flags for now.
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<http_debug>0</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>0</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>
8563) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help, I can no longer install boinc (Message 42336)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well yay, sounds like you're up& running.
Fingers crossed.
8564) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help, I can no longer install boinc (Message 42323)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you mean that you get the message "BOINC Manager cannot connect to a client", then first check if boinc.exe is actually running. Do so in Windows Task Manager. If you don't see it running under your own name, do "Show processes from all users" first.

When boinc.exe is running, it may just have its 'chat-channel' blocked by your firewall software. Since you complete newly installed BOINC, you may want to allow boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe through your firewall again. If it needs a port number, TCP 31416. Boinc.exe needs access to the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.
8565) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature Suggestions (Message 42321)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. cpu/gpu meter. Have a meter built in on a separate tab that can track cpu, gpu, ram usage as well as hardware temperatures. Also, a preference that can slow/stop processing if temperatures get too high.

Very difficult to do, since the source code for BOINC, and thus BOINC Manager, is cross-platform the same. This means that with the same source code you can compile the software for Windows, Linux and Macintosh, without too many workarounds and additives.

When there's anything in the client or the manager that needs to rely on a operating system's method of measuring things, an external library file or an application programming interface (API), like is the case with your request, then it cannot be easily done. It'll be more hassle than it is worth.

In the mean time, please check out Fred's BOINC Tthrottle, which can do the temperatures at least. Windows Process Explorer can do quite a bit of the rest you ask for.

2. Task Info. It would be nice to have another meta data field that allows projects to post a quick summary of what each specific process task is. Something like "Computing prime numbers in the range x to y". I'm not sure if all projects would post this information, but it would be nice to see if some would. I like to know where my power is going specifically.

If it can be done, it's probably better to ask the project to do so and for them to provide a button to a web-site showing that info. It's not easy to get all projects to follow the exact same information fields in the database. They don't even all use the same database.

3. Previous tasks. Have an option in the tasks page that shows completed tasks. Don't keep all of the data from the task on disk, but just the meta data and perhaps a completion report.

You can find information about past tasks at the project's web site, under your account, your tasks. Alternatively, there are third party Software Add-Ons that can store all that information. Look at BOINCLogX for instance.

4. Compute hours. Showing me how many credits I've earned per task is great because I can see what projects my power is going to. But credits seam to be somewhat an arbitrary number. I would love to also be able to see some more technical number. Something like FLOPS, or CPU hours, or CPU cycles.

This is a project thing. But I'll see what the developers think of this one.

David: Credits are proportional to FLOPS: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit

We store only credit in the DB, not elapsed time or CPU time.
I suppose we could show FLOPS alongside credit, but I think this would in general be confusing.


A temporary speed limits option. That way if I want to watch a movie or play a game, I can restrict BIONIC jobs until I'm done.

Is already possible. Please see the <exclusive_app> and <exclusive_gpu_app> options in the client configuration (cc_config.xml) file. See this FAQ for examples of its use.

By the way, there's an edit button on your posts on this forum. You can edit your post up to one hour after you posted something.
8566) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help, I can no longer install boinc (Message 42317)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could do a registry search for all entries of BOINC.msi and remove those.

Start->Run->type regedit and click OK.
(Alternatively, Start->type regedit in search->doubleclick regedit.exe)

Edit->Find, type BOINC.msi in the search box, wait for any entry to come up and when found press Delete, confirm the deletion.
Press F3 to continue searching.

When none are found anymore, reboot the system.
Now try to install BOINC.

Reformatting the drive and reinstalling Windows shouldn't be needed. Although it is Windows that's confused about where it left these parts of the program.
8567) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help, I can no longer install boinc (Message 42305)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
So do a manual search for BOINC.msi (I found that Windows may not find any results if you search for boinc.msi, when the filename is BOINC.msi) and delete those entries by hand.

Then try to install BOINC anew.
8568) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help, I can no longer install boinc (Message 42303)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
But after search no boinc.wmi to find and to delete.

It's not boinc.wmi, but boinc.msi .. this stands for MicroSoft Installer.

isn't there any ini file where I can set where my data file is?

The default paths to the data directories are:
Windows 98/SE/ME: C:\Windows\All Users\BOINC\ or C:\Windows\Profiles\All Users\BOINC\ (*)
Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ (*)
Windows Vista/Windows 7: C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ (*)

(*) This directory may well be hidden, so either put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer, or instruct Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
8569) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install Error: "Failed to add user..." (Message 42302)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
By 'this' you mean BOINC 6?

But the error you get is a Windows error. You could manually add yourself to the boinc_admins group. Use net localgroup boinc_admins your_user_name /add (Enter) to do so. I think that requires a reboot.
8570) Message boards : Questions and problems : Install Error: "Failed to add user..." (Message 42297)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, you haven't read the release notes.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes

BOINC 6 incompatible with Domain Controllers

The present range of BOINC 6 is incompatible with Domain Controllers, meaning that you cannot install it on your system if it is a DC. This is because the developers used the Local Account API's instead of the Global Account API's.

Install BOINC 5.10.45 instead, even though this doesn't support GPUs or multi-threading applications.


Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise SP1 is a domain controller.
8571) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help, I can no longer install boinc (Message 42294)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, I went away for personal time.
Anyway, I'm not sure what all you tried, but it sounds like your data directory is corrupted.

What you can try to do is uninstall BOINC first.
Then copy your present data directory to elsewhere, either on another drive, or just another directory.
Next install BOINC and in the 3rd screen in the installer, click Advanced.
In the next screen, change the second path to where you copied your data directory to.
Then continue the installation as normal.

If that works, it was something corrupt in the data directory and this has fixed that. You can then delete the OLD data directory.
8572) Message boards : Questions and problems : Long Post - BM Spontaneous Restart (Message 42287)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Jimmy, as Charlie said in your other thread, BOINC 6.12 is no longer updated, so anything happening in it won't be followed up on.

All concentration is on BOINC 7 (latest at time of posting this is 7.0.12), so if you want to try if you can get similar results there, then the developers will be thrilled... and not, of course, as it means more bugs to squash. ;-)
8573) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help, I can no longer install boinc (Message 42286)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=119, your best option is step 1.

Slow typer... 58 seconds too late. :P
8574) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 42277)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
.. and we would all be happy with 640KB RAM... "640 K should be enough for anybody"... B. Gates on one of his better days.

Actually, this is a myth, he never said that. From http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1997/01/1484 (amongst a lot of other places):

On the site, Gates takes questions from kids.

QUESTION: "I read in a newspaper that in l981 you said '640K of memory should be enough for anybody.' What did you mean when you said this?"

ANSWER: "I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time."

Gates goes on a bit about 16-bit computers and megabytes of logical address space, but the kid's question (will this boy never work at Microsoft?) clearly rankled the billionaire visionary.

"Meanwhile, I keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that says 640K of memory is enough. There's never a citation; the quotation just floats like a rumor, repeated again and again."

Silly quotations do have a way of floating like rumors.


Most people will install Chrome or Firefox (very easy to do in spite of what you may think) and get on with life.

Oh, I know it's very easy to install such and so software, but making it the default browser so it starts as said default browser? No.

Then there's the little known fact that a lot of people, even ones running BOINC, think that their computer exists of Windows with a monitor, or for that matter Linux and a monitor. How many times do we have to ask for details on their system? How many people here still believe that everything runs in BOINC Manager? ..

As for the video player, why not throw "open source video players" (without quotes) into any search engine and see the bucket load of alternatives? Of course, you can stick with Google's alternative (is one of your big donors Google that you keep praising them every time you can?) or you can go for any of the alternatives. Or why not both?
8575) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42265)
Posted 26 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.12 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

[size=15]Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.11 --> 7.0.12:

  • Manager: in project web links, use "Home Page" instead of the project name (which could be very long).
  • client: parse HOST_INFO::p_vm_extensions_disabled correctly.
  • Mac installer: under OS 10.4, create boinc_master and boinc_project at IDs starting at 25 instead of 501.
  • client: Show GPU number in "GPU is OpenCL-capable" message.
  • OpenCL: workaround for GPUs reported by CUDA but not by Mac OpenCL.
    Problem: Mac OpenCL does not recognize all NVIDIA GPUs returned by CUDA. Since there is no CAL for Mac, this is not an issue for ATI / AMD GPUs. On other platforms, the CUDA and CAL drivers also provide OpenCL support, so we don't expect the problem there.

    Solution: I believe that CUDA and OpenCL return identical GPU model names for the same GPU, and that both return the GPUs in the same order (but with some possibly omitted from the OpenCL sequence.) We use that information to correlate the OpenCL data with CUDA data. We use our internal CUDA device_num for the corresponding OpenCL device, but add a new field opencl_device_index; the two fields are equal unless we have CUDA devices not recognized by OpenCL. We add a new array opencl_device_indexes[] to the COPROC struct, corresponding to the entries in device_nums[].

    The init_data.xml file now has a new field gpu_opencl_device_index. If this field exists, the boinc_get_opencl_ids() API uses this to find the cl_device_id and cl_platform_id, otherwise it continues to use the value in gpu_device_num.

  • Client: add a mechanism for restartable download of compressed files. (It turns out that the compression schemes supported by Apache and libcurl, surprisingly, aren't restartable.)

    If a <file_info> from the server contains <gzipped_url> tags, use those instead of the <url> tags, and flag the file as "download_gzipped". If this is the case, download NAME.gz and save it as NAME.gzt. When the download is complete, rename NAME.gzt to NAME.gz, and uncompress it to NAME. (this ensures that if NAME.gz is present, it's complete).
    Also do the uncompression, if needed, in verify_file(). This ensures that the uncompression will eventually get done even if the client quits are crashes in the middle.

  • client: add a mechanism for restartable download of compressed files.
    (It turns out that the compression schemes supported by Apache and libcurl, suprisingly, aren't restartable.)
    If a <file_info> from the server contains <gzipped_url> tags, use those instead of the <url> tags, and flag the file as "download_gzipped". If this is the case, download NAME.gz and save it as NAME.gzt. When the download is complete, rename NAME.gzt to NAME.gz, and uncompress it to NAME. (this ensures that if NAME.gz is present, it's complete). Also do the uncompression, if needed, in verify_file(). This ensures that the uncompression will eventually get done even if the client quits are crashes in the middle.

  • sched: adjust the vbox??_mt plan classes to use 1.5 CPUs instead of the full 2 CPUs. Vboxwrapper uses ceil() to allocate enough whole CPUs for Virtualbox. Ideally this will cause the BOINC client-side scheduler to use the remaining fraction of the CPU for GPU data transfer which will then free up one whole CPU for another job. All without over-commiting anything.
  • GUI RPC: switching to the new XML parser (which won't parse a double as an int) revealed a type mismatch in FILE_TRANSFER::next_request_time between client and server.
  • client: fix divide-by-zero bug in calculation of priority of projects with zero resource share.
  • MGR: Tweak the z-order of BOINC Manager owned windows a little bit. Imagine a case where BOINC Manager and the BOINC Manager event log live side-by-side or only slightly overlapped, and the user wants to use a full screen/maximized window. If we then bring the BOINC Manager window back into focus while that app is still running make sure the event log comes forward as well. The event log should appear behind the main window in the case they are overlapped.
  • client - Remove Mac OSX 10.3.9 hack, it is no longer needed.
  • Mac: If permissions error because unable to opendir() a subdirectory, show path to that subdirectory.
  • client: treat the gzt file extension like we do for the gz file extension. Disable libcurls ability to decompress on-the-fly and let the CC decompress it after it has been fully downloaded.
  • client: when deleting a file, check for .gzt and .gz variants as well.
  • client: bug fixes in gzipped download code.
  • client: undo my previous commit. We request .gz from the server and write the contents to a .gzt file.
  • client: Fix long standing issue with the .gz extension automatically being decompressed on-the-fly when it wasn't supposed to be.
  • MGR: Fix sizes of task panes and buttons, elapsing button text if needed.
  • update_versions: for gzipped files, send the size of the compressed file as well.
  • client: parse and write the compressed size (FILE_INFO::gzipped_nbytes). For get_transfer GUI RPCs, if it's a compressed download send the compressed size. That way the manager will show the fraction done correctly.
  • client: disable temporary debugging aids in coproc_detect logic.
  • client: fix write of gzipped_nbytes.



Available Installers:
Windows
- boinc_7.0.12_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.12_windows_x86_64.exe

Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.12_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.12_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.12_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.12_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.12_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

8576) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 42253)
Posted 26 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
That browser bashing isn't something you do. You either make it work for all browsers, as long as you're not too lazy about it, or you find a way around it.

I get the message about needing the free browsers Firefox or Chrome, when I don't allow ANY of the 5 sub-sites on the page through NoScript in FF. Why the need to stream crap from 5 individual sites? What are these 5 sites? Do I just have to trust them because your blue eyes tell me to do so?

And what of Konquerer? Safari? Mozilla Seamonkey? Any other non-IE but also non-FF and non-Chrome browser?

There is no other BOINC site out there that bashes IE, just because it's IE. Trouble is, IE is still the most widely used browser ever, you're just making sure that people using that will turn away from your project and possibly from BOINC.

Why is there still nothing on that page that explains what it is that I see in those graphics? Am I one of your project scientists, who knows what jeppsson3 is, or a Generator: vincia, or what you mean with Process: zhad and Energy: 183 GeV ?? Is it so difficult to put a legend up that explains what is what?
8577) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting on GPU) Returns!...Repeatable on demand! (Message 42241)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not without sending along your complete BOINC Data directory. It isn't just copying the tasks along to another computer, it requires an attachment to that project, entries made in the client_state.xml file etc.
8578) Message boards : Projects : CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project (Message 42236)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Present bugs, new fixes and things still to look out for.

Fixes being tested:
-. With vboxwrapper 1.25 tests are underway to stop BOINC strangling your system, making it run at slow-mo speed. This is done by dropping the priority of the VBoxHeadless process from Normal to Below Normal. Without this, when running work in the VM plus have BOINC run work on any left-over CPU core plus run work on one or more GPUs, the system would slowly creep to a halt.

-. Run the vboxwrapper at fractional CPU usage, meaning it can use one core plus part of another. No longer needed to fully reserve 2 cores at all times.

Present Bugs:
-. Under Windows, a BOINC service installation (protected application execution) is still not working with the Virtual Box process. A fix seems to be needed from Oracle.

-. Virtualization use in the BIOS is still flaky. But at least the wrapper (at this project) will detect whether or not your Intel or AMD CPU is capable of VT-x or AMD-v. It's impossible to ask of the user to go check whether or not these are enabled in their BIOS -- we'll be looked at quite weirdly.

New things:
-. We'll go test run functions for the Charity Engine project (make them BOINC 7 proof), the Chinese CAS project and the Mathematica project. For the latter a whole new VM will be made, which will be run in tandem with the CERNVM.
8579) Message boards : Questions and problems : I have a problem with "BOINC Manager" (Message 42234)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fixing Sekerob's links.
Hi Maria,

If you could attempt to answer the questions previously asked we will get a long way.

When BOINC Manager is open in advance view, what client version is listed right bottom? Mine is 6.12.33.

Please click the Projects tab [second screenshot], and tell is if you've already selected any projects through the "add project or account manager" option on the Tools menu?

Let us know as that is the first step to do after a successful installation.

--//--

8580) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting on GPU) Returns!...Repeatable on demand! (Message 42233)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No Jimmy, I don't need your logs, but thanks for thinking of me. They're in good hands when sent to Charlie and he'll be able to tell you what else he needs/wants you to do. :)
8581) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting on GPU) Returns!...Repeatable on demand! (Message 42230)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL

You got mice in there, ey? :-)
8582) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting on GPU) Returns!...Repeatable on demand! (Message 42228)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
let me know what I can do for you folks before I pull the pin!

Tell us how to get to your bank-account. ;-)
8583) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unknown problem (Message 42226)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
lol, right-eo. :-)
8584) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unknown problem (Message 42217)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project or projects do you run?
With which project's science application do you see this? Have you complained about this on the project's forums, since it's their application?

Which version number of BOINC do you use? The "latest" can mean:
The latest recommended BOINC is 6.12.34.
The latest 6.12 BOINC is 6.12.41.
The latest test BOINC is 7.0.11.

8585) Message boards : Projects : QCN Sensor (Message 42208)
Posted 24 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's the official Mexican mirror for QCN. There is also one for Taiwan, at http://qcn.twgrid.org/
8586) Message boards : GPUs : Wrong GPU being declared Not Used (Message 42205)
Posted 24 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As Richard Haselgrove already pointed out... (I didn't scroll down the whole way before I answered ;))

1/23/2012 12:35:00 PM | | NVIDIA GPU 0 (not used): GeForce GTX 570 (driver version 290.53, CUDA version 4.10, compute capability 2.0, 1280MB, 1118MB available, 1530 GFLOPS peak)
1/23/2012 12:35:00 PM | | NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GT 520 (driver version 290.53, CUDA version 4.10, compute capability 2.1, 1024MB, 979MB available, 156 GFLOPS peak)

The Compute Capability of the 520 is higher than the one for the 570, which makes the 520 the better GPU.

The source code for coproc_detect.cpp says:
// return 1/-1/0 if device 1 is more/less/same capable than device 2.
// factors (decreasing priority):
// - compute capability
// - software version
// - available memory
// - speed

So, it's correctly chosen.

This value is read from the nvcuda.dll file that came with your drivers, it isn't something that BOINC invents.
8587) Message boards : Projects : QCN Sensor (Message 42204)
Posted 24 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I emailed Carl. Am waiting for an answer.
8588) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task status changes from 'Running' to 'Waiting to run' automatically (Message 42203)
Posted 24 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Problem solved!

There was never a problem, things were working as they were supposed to!

There is a Message thread on this issue on the Test4Theory (T4T) web site

Where the moderator in question is demanding that the wrong people have this 'removed'. He should yell at the T4T developers, since it's part of the wrapper that does this setting of multiple cores, it's just BOINC that follows it.

One stern warning for anyone following advice like this: The <ncpus/> option is in the client to temporarily simulate that you run more tasks than you have processors. It's for debugging science applications only. It does not change how BOINC schedules things, if anything it will put an extremely higher load on the system, through added slowness, added heat build-up, added wear and tear, with a higher possibility of returning erroneous work.

Therefore it should only be used by people with advanced knowledge of BOINC, people who know what they are doing.

Read Client Configuration.
<ncpus>N</ncpus>
Act as if there were N CPUs; i.e. to simulate 2 CPUs on a machine that has only 1. To use the number of available CPUs, set the value to -1 (was 0 which in newer clients really means zero to e.g. only allow GPU computing).
8589) Message boards : GPUs : both gpus usable in SLI or Crossfire? (Message 42184)
Posted 22 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
This hasn't been the case since 6.6.24 for Nvidias and 6.10 for ATIs.
Since SLI and Crossfire need equal GPUs to work in SLI/XFire mode, all GPUs are recognized as "most capable".
8590) Message boards : BOINC client : 7.0.11 -- Incorrect GPU RAM size (Message 42181)
Posted 22 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked Rom about this a couple of days ago, here's what he said to me:

The bug was in the ATI drivers for a better part of two years, hence BOINC's weak attempt to fix it by doubling the size reported by OpenCL. When they fixed the bug, they only fixed it for some cards, not all of them... So now we have some funky results.

The bug is deeper down than just the OpenCL stuff. So just checking the OpenCL version isn't enough. I don't yet know what the magic combination of things are to check. So I'm just advocating reporting what the APIs report and let AMD fix the stuff they let slide for so long.


The only affected GPUs so far seem to be the OpenCL 1.0 ones, or the 4xx0 range.
8591) Message boards : BOINC client : Backup projects (Message 42170)
Posted 21 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am a bit confused. Are you saying that (after downloading a single task), BOINC 7.x will continue to request work from a project with a resource share of zero? At least until it somehow learns not to do so?

Regardless of cache size, BOINC should not download work from a zero RS project until it is completely out of work, and there is not other way to prevent idle time. Right?

Yes, but in this case the new BOINC does not know much of anything about all your projects. It is as if it contacts them for the very first time, and will therefore ask for 1 second worth of work from all projects eligible to ask work.

It will respect projects on NNT.
And sorry if I said this earlier, or that people understood this, but when your work request is for 10 days it won't follow that initially. As I said, it'll do 1 second requests for work.

As for the cache being broken, I just increased my additional work request from 0.5 days to 3.5 days, left my connect to at 0.1 days.

Normally on a connect to of 0.1 and an additional days worth you will not get a work request like this:
21/01/2012 19:41:24 | SETI@home | [sched_op] ATI work request: 309910.78 seconds; 0.00 devices

(3.5 x 86400 = 302400 seconds, so the work request is correct)

21/01/2012 19:41:27 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
21/01/2012 19:41:27 | SETI@home | [sched_op] estimated total ATI task duration: 85898 seconds

Whether or not I can get that work in, is another thing. Load at Seti is maxed out for now. ;)
8592) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 42161)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Albert writes:

We stopped sending CUDA tasks on this test project for the time being. We like to focus on getting the OpenCL app ready for production release and have gathered enough CUDA results. We'll reenable the CUDA apps again as needed - we don't want to burn GPU cycles without a reason, right...

Best,
Oliver
8593) Message boards : BOINC client : Backup projects (Message 42159)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think that is going to work because Milkyway does not allow for a large cache, currently it is 35 WU per GPU and BOINC is trying to fill the cache to the specified settings of 10 days and keeps requesting work from the other projects to do it.

Yes, that's normal in this sense.

Compare it to installing BOINC cleanly on a new system. Then all the projects will also try to fetch work for the full cache, including those with an RS of zero, since they haven't ever had to do work yet and BOINC doesn't know the RS for the projects yet.

Your BOINC 7 knows nothing of the previous resource share settings. It has to learn again from the ground up. This will take time, so it's better to adjust the cache you have to something less.

As long as you let BOINC learn by itself, and depending on the amount of projects you run, it can take a week for things to adjust and go back to 'normal'.
8594) Message boards : BOINC client : Backup projects (Message 42157)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7 uses a completely new method of calculating debt, with a from the ground up newly written scheduler.

So the moment you installed 7.0.11, all previous debt values were forgotten, they're no longer used by this BOINC. So BOINC downloads one task from all the projects that are allowed to fetch work. You can easily set them back to ANT, as it won't do it again.
8595) Message boards : Questions and problems : A lil help plz from an ordinary guy ... (Message 42156)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Some further comments, also from the developers.

I noticed a name (virtualapp/didilogical) keep coming up in folders with special permissions and soon enough it bagan taking over MY document/music & picture folders, leaving my access denied to entry.

This program isn't a part of BOINC, so it may seem you have an infection as well. Make sure your anti-virus program is up-to-date and use it to scan the system, thoroughly. This can take several hours, depending on the hard drive size and usage.

Also, check for spyware. Use Superantispyware, available from http://www.superantispyware.com/ to check the system.

a zip file from a man at UC cal at berkley was supposed to take it all out via command line but I only got a half-way job outta it.

Did you get that program from this FAQ? Did you also try the other steps in that FAQ?

The cleaner app (that I wrote) needs administrative rights to be used, and be run from a command line run by the administrator. (Start->All programs->Accessories->Right click on "Command prompt"->choose "Run as administrator")
It won't magically fix things if they aren't in the place that the program expects them to be in. I don't know if Sony changed (registry) paths, but it's possible it won't work. It is even possible it won't work on anyone's system.

I found another post on a MB that suggested I try thru CMD another way :
NET LOCALUSER/GROUP DELETE or somethin like that but was also denied access.

This also requires being the administrator and running the commands through the administrator command prompt.

By the way, for completeness, it's first:
net user boinc_master /delete
and
net user boinc_project /delete

Followed by:
net localgroup boinc_admins /delete
net localgroup boinc_projects /delete
and
net locagroup boinc_users /delete
8596) Message boards : BOINC client : Backup projects (Message 42153)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't understand, what is it you are asking? Mind elaborating so we don't have to guess at what you were thinking when you wrote the one sentence?
8597) Message boards : Questions and problems : A lil help plz from an ordinary guy ... (Message 42152)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think you'll find that it is Sony that installs this version of BOINC, and that if you do not want to use it, you can opt-out of it in some way. In any way, you should be able to uninstall it through 'Uninstall a program'.

See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6128 for the old news bit. If however you have complaints about the uninstaller, you will need to take it up with Sony. It's their uninstaller logic that is not working on your system. It's a different one than we use, or can help you with.
8598) Message boards : Questions and problems : Wrong Language (Message 42148)
Posted 19 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->(Network and Display) Options->Language.
8599) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42139)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.11 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.8 --> 7.0.9:

  • client: identify ATI 97x0 GPUs (from Jord).
  • GUI RPC client: don't write spurious messages to stderr.
  • MGR: Use rdesktop-vrdp on Linux, it is included with VirtualBox and meant for what we are trying to do.
  • MGR: Remove the fullscreen flag on Windows. It might only be my machine which has refresh problems when launching in windowed mode.
  • client, lib: Improve available GPU RAM detection, include it in display of GPU description.
  • client: Add logging message for insufficient GPU RAM details to coproc_debug flag.


7.0.9 --> 7.0.10:


  • Mac: In permissions error alert: show branded name and path to bad file or subdirectory.
  • client: Save all CUDA and CAL GPU info until done with OpenCL detection for use in OpenCL GPU descriptions.


7.0.10 --> 7.0.11:


  • lib: recent checkin broke strip_whitespace(string&).
  • client: add debugging aids to coproc_detect logic.
  • client: ATI available RAM is in bytes, not MB; if no CAL, don't divide by MEGA.



Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.11_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.11_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.11_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.11_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.11_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.11_windows_x86_64.exe

8600) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task status changes from 'Running' to 'Waiting to run' automatically (Message 42136)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
On a dual core machine I have, I run one GPUGRID task, one T4T single core task, and one WCG CPU task, and I have not seen the automatic status change for the WCG task as yet.

No, it's because this only happens when you run a VM + tasks on a CPU, plus tasks on a GPU. Not when you only run VM + tasks on a CPU.

2) The WCG status change is not coincident with a T4T task starting. The status change happens at some later, apparently random time that I have not as yet been able to correlate anything to.
Then run with <cpu_sched_debug/> in a cc_config.xml file, to see the scheduling decisions and when the change happens.

I don't know if these threads are the same kind of threads you referred to, however.

What I meant to explain was that this new thing --which is built into the wrapper code by the way, not into BOINC, and if it needs to be disabled it should be done so by the project-- will not allow that more sources than you have processors will make use of your processors.

Yes, before this change it used to be that you could easily run 2 CPU tasks + the VM on 2 cores + 2 GPU tasks together using 1 core (5 cores) on a 4 core machine, but this would also slow that machine down and/or make it unusable. With complaints in that regard.

Now, there is a project preference at T4T with which you can set how many CPU cycles you want the VM to use (0 - 100), but even at 100% it means it's using 1 core at full bore, which will slow a system down. That's why it was chosen to give the VM two cores, to make the system overall more stable. When you then go and allow that again more resources are used on that system than it is rich, back at the slow-downs and back at the complaints/walkouts (by some).

It's better for system stability that when you use the VM plus the rest of the CPUs plus one or more GPUs, to omit the use of one CPU (core), and in a way give that one exclusively to the GPUs.

Edit: I see that the T4T project has resorted to choose which VM to use: http://lhcathome2.cern.ch/test4theory/forum_thread.php?id=737.
8601) Message boards : Projects : List of project for Mac with AMD GPU (Message 42131)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, no need to spam the forums with that link and also a warning that the 7.0.11 version is not a recommended one, but a development version. There will be other versions coming, before the 7 range will become recommended.

We normally wait with announcing the version until a couple of days have passed. This so the BOINC developer can test his own ideas and/or have people privately test the new version.
8602) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task status changes from 'Running' to 'Waiting to run' automatically (Message 42126)
Posted 17 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Occasionally one of the WCG tasks has its status changed from "Running" to "Waiting to run", yet there is an open core available for it to use (the core it was just Running on); another task is not started in its place.

Well, no, there isn't a core free. This is done by the T4T wrapper code to ensure that the system isn't overloaded when it is running and a GPU task is running. The T4T task runs on two cores automatically on systems with 2 or more cores or CPUs and the CPU being able and enabled to run Virtualization code.

When you then add up the threads running, it would be 2 (WCG) + 2 (T4T) + X (GPUGrid). You'd end up with running more threads than you have CPU cores available. I don't know how much CPU the GPUGrid tasks take, but even if it were 1% only (0.01 CPU + 1 NVIDIA GPU), that would make the above calculation 2 + 2 + 0.02 = 4.02 threads running on a system that's only capable of running 4 threads.

The above is an example, of course. Usually the amount of (reserved) CPU is more. So you do the math. :-)
8603) Message boards : GPUs : Does Boinc support HD 7970? (Message 42121)
Posted 17 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC all the way up to 7.0.8 won't be able to detect the GPU right, as it hasn't been taught how to do so. BOINC 7.0.9 and further will be able to do so.

Any errors you get in the calculations is something you will have to take up with the projects themselves, since it's their science applications doing the calculations and thus making the errors, not BOINC. That the GPU is recognized as an "Unknown ATI" does not matter in this, the code for the detection isn't that intricate that it would impair you if it was recognized as an Unknown, or as a 79x0 (Tahiti). As that's all that the detection does, it'll name the GPU, nothing more.
8604) Message boards : Questions and problems : Upgrade problem (Message 42117)
Posted 16 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this FAQ for all the information about this error and how to get around it.
8605) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boincsimap not using cpu (Message 42113)
Posted 16 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Questions about science application behaviour are best asked at the project that the science application is from, in this case at http://boincsimap.org/boincsimap/forum/.

Unless a volunteer that's running this project is available around here, who knows the answer off-hand, it'll be way quicker answered at their own forums.
8606) Message boards : Questions and problems : Statistics for computation errors? (Message 42097)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ask the project in question if they're willing to export all their errors to the user base. That's outside our jurisdiction, so to say.
8607) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Client Question (Message 42096)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Would you please be so kind to tell us which operating system you are using and how you upgraded your BOINC version? When BOINC Manager states that it is connected to 6.10.58, you aren't using any newer version.

GPUs are used once you installed a driver for it, when in Windows one that wasn't installed by Windows. BOINC will show that it detected the videocard at BOINC start-up. It'll be used when under the Project preferences you have chosen to "Use Nvidia GPU".

In BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tasks it'll show to be running as "Running (0.xx CPUs + 1 Nvidia GPUs)", where 0.xx is the amount of CPU it takes. Values can vary.
8608) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc manager position second screen (Message 42083)
Posted 14 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure if anything will restart on the second monitor when one's using extended monitors, but I forwarded it to development anyway. It could well be a Windows thing, though.
8609) Message boards : Questions and problems : running 2 BOINCs ? (Message 42077)
Posted 14 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely
8610) Message boards : Questions and problems : quad core rules (Message 42074)
Posted 14 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, that isn't possible yet, it is planned for a future version of BOINC, but don't ask which one.
8611) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 42068)
Posted 14 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.8 available for testing for Windows, Mac and Linux.


NOTE: Some previously experimental features in the client software are now important to have for the 7.0 release. The existing 7.0 branch will no longer be maintained, we'll create a new branch for the 7.0 client line at a later date. Change Log people, changes will be back in Trunk.


Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.7 --> 7.0.8:

  • WINSETUP: Give 'boinc_admins' and 'boinc_projects' the ability to access and launch the VirtualBox server-side application. This should complete the needed work to run VirtualBox within the Windows sandboxed environment.
  • WINSETUP: Remove the virtualized file system tag from the Windows Explorer copied security token when launching BOINC Manager and BOINC Tray after setup has completed. I believe this will resolve the new cookie issue experienced by PTP/GR/CE.
  • WINSETUP: Hookup new custom actions to the BOINC Installers.
  • client: compute projects' disk share (based on resource share). Report it (along with disk usage) in scheduler request messages. This will allow the scheduler to send file-delete commands if the project is using more than its share.
  • client: add <disk_usage_debug> log flag.
  • client: calculate disk share for zero-priority projects correctly.
  • client: Remove scaling factor for AMD OpenCL devices. Latest generation of drivers now report the correct memory size. They didn't wait for the next OpenCL spec change.
  • GUI RPC: use new XML parser.
  • client: Restore scaling factor for AMD OpenCL devices on Macs with OpenCL version < 1.2
  • Mac Installer: Changes for integrated BOINC+VirtualBox Mac installer.
  • MGR: Remove sash window divider between the task panel and list panel in the advanced view. Retain the ability to dynamically adjust the width of the task panel based on widest button.
  • LIB: Use parse string instead of copy contents for messages RPC.
  • MGR: parse message contents with XML_PARSER::element_content().
  • MGR: Derive from the correct base class to make the sizers work properly.
  • client: reset ACTIVE_TASK::bytes_sent and bytes_received when the task is started or restarted.
  • client: OpenCL 1.1 has no API for determining available GPU RAM, so if CAL is not present for ATI / AMD GPU or if CUDA is not present for NVIDIA GPU, set available GPU RAM equal to total GPU RAM.
  • MGR: first stab at improving Disk View colors.
  • MGR: debug Disk Usage colors.
  • MGR: When launching Mac client as a daemon, allow time for it to start.
  • client: use old Mac idle detection when running as a daemon.
  • MGR: Launch the RDP client on Windows in full-screen mode to avoid a bug where the screen doesn't refresh and keyboard/mouse events don't manifest until you close down the client and restart it.
  • MGR: Add RDP client support for the Mac.
  • GUI RPC: add <xml> tag to the start of HTTP replies.




Available installers:
Macintosh
- boinc_7.0.8_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.8_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
- boinc_7.0.8_i686-apple-darwin.zip

Linux
- boinc_7.0.8_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.8_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh

Windows
- boinc_7.0.8_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.8_windows_x86_64.exe

8612) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with screensaver (Message 42032)
Posted 12 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Either you have the "turn off the display" power option set, and not enough patience to wait after you moved the mouse or hit a key on the keyboard, to see what will happen, or you have a problem with your videocard.

Since Seti and Einstein and Milkyway will try to use that videocard to do calculations on (CUDA), if at least you installed Nvidia drivers and allow these projects to use the GPU (default setting in BOINC is to use them). Despite your card being one of the Fermi versions, you don't say much else about it, so it's difficult to see how much memory it has, and whether this is real memory or added to it from your main RAM. Seeing how it's an M version (Mobile), it seems to be one in a laptop or notebook, right?

Especially so if it is a laptop/notebook, and you see a blank screen and hear the fan spinning, it will be a heat problem. Laptops/notebooks are notorious for heat build-up, which causes all kinds of problems on its own. They can't get rid of the extra heat that work being done by BOINC causes. Not without extra cooling, such as a cooling-pad, which are two or more big fans that you put the laptop on, which constantly blow cold(er) air from below into the laptop.

Anyway, Try running without the screen saver for now. Or try running without allowing Seti, Einstein and Milkyway to use the Nvidia GPU (this needs to be set on each project separately, in their project preferences) and see if that breaks your system less.
8613) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 7.0.3 and Laptops. (Message 42013)
Posted 11 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, you are running BOINC based on preferences?
Second, these preferences were set where, local or on a project's pages? If on the project, do you have local preferences, or ever only just looked at them? As these override the web-based preferences.

Third, I always add the following warning to my Alpha change logs:
Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


I think when your answers to 1 is Yes and 2 is Web and no, that you best go report this to the alpha email list, since you know what you did and how you set it. Be much much more eloquent about it though, explain in detail what you did and how anyone can possibly reproduce it.
8614) Message boards : Questions and problems : Nvidia driver crash when display wakes up (Message 42011)
Posted 11 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can only go test these things by changing your videocard driver to a lower one, and a next lower one, until you hit upon one that's stable for your system.

When you never find a stable driver, it may well be that your videocard is the culprit, that when it gets hot that it can't take it anymore and that it crashes. Nothing to do against that, but for either not use it for this, or replace it with a new (and better) one.

Make sure that your Windows screen saver is disabled (set to None). On non-Fermi cards the GPU may not like it that this thing comes on, even if you have told Windows to turn the monitor off.

And one last thing on this, if all is well, Windows will record why the videocard driver crashed. It will do so in Start->Administrative tools->Event Viewer. Somewhere in there there will be a log as to what crashes the driver.

Apropos, the latest recommended BOINC is 6.12.34.
The latest 6.12 BOINC is 6.12.41.
The latest test BOINC is 7.0.7.

Just to give an idea that 'the latest' isn't always the latest and that we prefer specific numbers, instead of 'the latest' which could be anything.
8615) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why does wiki say ignore_nvidia_gpu (Message 42010)
Posted 11 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
It was:
<ignore_nvidia_dev>N</ignore_nvidia_dev>, <ignore_ati_dev>N</ignore_ati_dev> ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA or ATI GPU. You can ignore more than one. New in 6.10.19 Note: use 'ignore_cuda_dev' instead of 'ignore_nvidia_dev' for < 6.13 clients.


I have changed this to:
<ignore_ati_dev>N</ignore_ati_dev>
ignore (don't use) a specific ATI GPU. You can ignore more than one. New in 6.10.19
<ignore_cuda_dev>N</ignore_cuda_dev>
ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA GPU. You can ignore more than one. New in 6.10.19 and only to be used till 6.12.41.
<ignore_nvidia_dev>N</ignore_nvidia_dev>
ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA GPU. You can ignore more than one. Replaces <ignore_cuda_dev/> New in 6.13.0
Reminder: Zero will disable device zero, it does not disable the line, only removal does. <ignore_nvidia_dev>1</ignore_nvidia_dev> will ignore the use of the second Nvidia GPU in the system.
Before 6.13.0, <ignore_cuda_dev/> was used. <ignore_nvidia_dev> was added to get it more in line with the specific <ignore_ati_dev>.
8616) Message boards : Projects : List of project for Mac with AMD GPU (Message 42002)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, Collatz was already in the list, in both FAQs.
8617) Message boards : Projects : List of project for Mac with AMD GPU (Message 42000)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's one in this FAQ for CAL + CUDA and in this FAQ for OpenCL.

(I just added to them, can use plenty more).
(What was that rumor of WCG having a GPU app?)
8618) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.35 doesn't detect VNC logins on OS X Lion as system activity (Message 41996)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developer for the Mac let me know that he has found a solution to this problem ([trac]changeset:25018[/trac]) and that this will be added to BOINC 7.0.8
8619) Message boards : Questions and problems : Statistics for computation errors? (Message 41980)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain: Main Wiki index.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/HtmlOps: Administrative web interface.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions: Project configuration options.

The administrative web interface is what projects admins will see, it'll also show the errors of the last 24 hours, by application version.
8620) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.35 doesn't detect VNC logins on OS X Lion as system activity (Message 41977)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've found the --check_all_logins command line switch

This works on Linux only, not on Mac or Windows.
8621) Message boards : Questions and problems : running multiple projects (Message 41974)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Processor affinity isn't included in BOINC. It isn't possible to state that core 1 should go do only Project A, core 2 do only Project B, etc.

All you can do is change the resource share between projects so they're equal, then hope that all projects run tasks of the same length, that all projects stay up in the air long enough and that the human factor doesn't interfere. Just leave BOINC doing what it does.
8622) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc manager position second screen (Message 41973)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please pass by on this thread and give a lot more information about your system, your OS, your hardware and drivers, as well as BOINC version, before explaining in quite some more detail what it is you're trying to do? We aren't checking over your shoulder, you will have to explain in all the detail you can what it is you are doing and expecting.
8623) Message boards : GPUs : falsh + BOINC on GPU running = crash windows 7 (Message 41972)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why? The BOINC development team doesn't make the Seti applications. All BOINC does is detect whether or not your GPU is capable of CUDA and/or OpenCL and to download, cache and schedule work for it, nothing else.

What you have to try as end-user is:
1. Test different driver version, see which is stable enough for your system. There is no "the driver", there are plenty more. Perhaps your GPU is finicky towards "the latest driver".
2. Test different Flash versions, to see if it's possibly their fault.
3. Depending on the GPU in your system (a total unknown to us since you didn't see it fit to tell anyone), you may or may not be able to do other things with it at the same time as you run CUDA or OpenCL on it. Safest way is to disable BOINC or the science app running on the GPU when you start the Flash video. BOINC is capable of doing that.

I take it you posted this on the Flash forums, the operating system forums, the Nvidia forums and the Seti forums as well? And if not, why not? Why should BOINC solve it alone, when there are plenty more parties involved?
8624) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41952)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
We are up!

Good, now be nice and send me some N-Body tasks. I need to test something. ;-)
8625) Message boards : Questions and problems : What's the point in rebooting after install? (Windows) (Message 41951)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
To see the groups which are always created, use net localgroup
8626) Message boards : Questions and problems : What's the point in rebooting after install? (Windows) (Message 41947)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSetupLogicWinSix
8627) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client didn't connect anymore to scheduler (Message 41943)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rosetta is down and it's unknown by any of us why that is, or when it'll be back. POEM is up, but doesn't have much work.

Easy to view which projects are up and have work available is the schedulers status list at http://boincstats.com/, down the left side.
8628) Message boards : BOINC client : does a project can abuse the boinc client resources ? (Message 41941)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The projects are?
The resource shares are?

But in essence, yes this is normal. BOINC will try its upmost best to return all work by deadline, and if that means that when one project does a lot of shorties that it takes time away from the other projects, then so be it. However, when that project is done with the shorties, you will see that BOINC will then pay back the extra time it has given to that one project, to the other projects. As long as you don't do any manual interventions (like suspending work or projects).
8629) Message boards : Questions and problems : Client didn't connect anymore to scheduler (Message 41940)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try to exit BOINC & restarting it first. (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->File->Exit->Check "Stop running of science applications on Manager exit?"->OK)

Or else reboot the system(s).
However, which projects is this about? Some projects are off line at this time, and as such no one can contact them.
8630) Message boards : Questions and problems : button 'Show graphics' (Message 41936)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, Seti, Leiden Classical, Most all of the World Community Grid sub-projects, Rosetta, ClimatePrediction.Net, Pirates, Spinhenge, Cosmology, Primegrid, Yoyo.
8631) Message boards : Questions and problems : What's the point in rebooting after install? (Windows) (Message 41927)
Posted 4 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Installing BOINC makes Windows limited user accounts, which are used for permission on the Programs and Data directories and when you use BOINC installed as a service. Windows requires this reboot, to finalize the making of the accounts.
8632) Message boards : Questions and problems : how to automatically accept new work (Message 41923)
Posted 4 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
/me shakes his crystal orb and notices the batteries are dead yet again. So can you please pass by on this thread and read what we may need of you? With thanks.
8633) Message boards : Questions and problems : Increments (Message 41922)
Posted 4 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please pass by on this thread and supply a lot more information? With thanks.
8634) Message boards : Questions and problems : Auto-changing preferences (Message 41904)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Around the time they 'auto-change' do you add new projects? As that can reset the web-preferences. Or does the project, that BOINC says the preferences are used from, change?

e.g. wrote:
02/01/2012 19:21:25 | CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project | General prefs: from CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project (last modified 23-Dec-2011 18:12:52)
02/01/2012 19:21:25 | CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project | Host location: none
02/01/2012 19:21:25 | CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project | General prefs: using your defaults

Did you change venue, host location?

If you have one computer only, why not use the local preferences?
8635) Message boards : Questions and problems : running 2 BOINCs ? (Message 41902)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, the <allow_multiple_clients/> option, both as start-up attribute to the BOINC binary and in cc_config.xml, are still under construction. The developers wanted to come back to this at a later time, when things aren't so hectic. Since we're still in the middle of beta testing BOINC 7, now isn't the time for them to go figure this out.
8636) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 41901)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Matt,

This error indicates that a file or directory in a subdirectory under the slots or projects directory has the wrong owner. This could be caused by a project downloading or creating files incorrectly, or it could be a bug in PtP / BOINC. What projects are you running?
8637) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 41897)
Posted 2 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
Watch out with that advice, for as far as I can see, he is using the latest Progress Thru Processors (PtP) version of BOINC. PtP is an Intel sponsored BOINC version (the 6.8s) that is available through Facebook.

It is still being updated. PtP BOINC version 6.8.36 (which I assume Matt means he's using) was released December 20th 2011.

@Matt, I have forwarded your question to the developers. Do know that the Mac developer is still on vacation, but I do expect something back from him in due time.
8638) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusing STEAM games with BOINC. (Anyone here use Steam?) (Message 41878)
Posted 2 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off:
The <exclude_gpu_app> tag will only suspend the GPU applications running under BOINC. The <exclusive_app> will suspend the whole of BOINC, when using that you don't need the separate <exclude_gpu_app> tag.

Second:
Where did you save the cc_config.xml file? It needs to be in the BOINC Data directory.
How did you make it? If with Notepad, did you save it as an All Files option?
Since you don't show extension, make doubly sure that the file name is cc_config.xml, not cc_config.xml.txt

Else, please exit BOINC fully & restart it.
Next post the first 20 to 30 lines of the messages.
8639) Message boards : Questions and problems : Exclusing STEAM games with BOINC. (Anyone here use Steam?) (Message 41873)
Posted 2 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am running Steam but in the Steam folders there is no real EXE's. there's just like APPs or something.

That depends on whether or not you allow Windows to show or hide extensions for known file types. I'm betting that the hl2 icon is an hl2.exe; it is on my computer, since I don't hide extensions.

If however you don't know, why not do <exclude_app>steam.exe</exclude_app> instead? Then it doesn't matter which Steam game you play, once Steam starts BOINC will suspend. This will mean that you have to exit Steam for BOINC to continue.
8640) Message boards : BOINC client : Device partitioning GPU with OpenCL 1.2 (Message 41870)
Posted 1 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
BOINC already has the capability for jobs to use a fractional GPU. To use this, the schedulers of those projects (the plan class function for OpenCL apps) need to be changed to detect when this is possible,
and specify it.

AFAIK, Milkyway@home is the only project that currently uses fractional GPUs.

-- David
8641) Message boards : Web interfaces : [wish] Allow users to temporarily turn on resend lost work units or to declare failed computers in their account (Message 41869)
Posted 1 Jan 2012 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project has the option to resend lost work, but most projects leave this option off as it adds tremendously to the overhead, both to the database actions as to the bandwidth. Only projects with truly good servers will have it on.

It won't ever be a user settable option as then everyone will turn it on and with a little of luck, the project will crash, since no one will turn it off again.

The loss of work --not returning of work-- is already a calculated risk that all projects take, therefore there's a deadline on work, and when you have not returned your work by the deadline, it'll be sent to a second or third computer. Thus hardware may break down all it wants, the projects won't suffer much by it.
8642) Message boards : BOINC client : Device partitioning GPU with OpenCL 1.2 (Message 41863)
Posted 31 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, what I read about this option is that the main device can be divided into sub-devices which can all be addressed separately, plus the main device. So in your example of using sub-devices for POEM, Seti and WCG, you wouldn't need a sub-device for the OS, as you can use the main device for that.

Still not sure if it's BOINC that needs to be able to do this, more like the project's applications. But I'll leave that up to development to answer, be it here or to me in email. Most of them aren't available at this time, so I am not expecting an answer soon. Hope you aren't either. ;-)
8643) Message boards : BOINC client : Device partitioning GPU with OpenCL 1.2 (Message 41861)
Posted 31 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
8644) Message boards : The Lounge : Happy New Year - Best BOINC Wishes for 2012 (Message 41859)
Posted 31 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Happy New Year - Best BOINC Wishes for 2012 from all of us at BOINC.

Just shout out when your year is up. :-)
8645) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running daemon on Mac Lion (Message 41858)
Posted 31 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Running_BOINC_as_a_daemon_or_system_service
8646) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 41856)
Posted 30 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.7 available for testing for Linux, Macintosh and Windows.

Project to test this version on: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/index.php; read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=7163 for all the information about this temporary project.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.6 --> 7.0.7:

  • client: parse APP:non_cpu_intensive correctly. This got broken somehow.
  • client: don't crash if missing RSS feed file for some reason.
  • client: for VBox apps, check stderr for "ERR_CPU_VM_EXTENSIONS_DISABLED". If found, set HOST_INFO::p_vm_extensions_disabled, and pass this to the scheduler.
    Note: if you have a host with VM extensions, and they're disabled in the BIOS, and you enable them, you can remove the <p_vm_extensions_disabled> line from client_state.xml and you'll be eligible to get multicore VM jobs again.

  • client: processor features buffer is supposed to be 1024 bytes. Avoid truncation.



Available installers:
- boinc_7.0.7_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.7_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.7_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.7_windows_x86_64.exe
- boinc_7.0.7_i686-apple-darwin.zip
- boinc_7.0.7_macOSX_i686.zip
- boinc_7.0.7_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip

8647) Message boards : Questions and problems : ERROR: BOINC client has stopped working. (Message 41845)
Posted 28 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a lot to go on.
Are there no error messages other than the one you have?
Did you check in Windows Event Viewer?
Is this a 32bit or 64bit Windows?
Is this a 32bit or 64bit BOINC?
Which version of BOINC?
How did you install BOINC, as a normal installation or as a service (protected application execution)?
How far is the Windows on the laptop updated?
Which projects do you run?
Do you have any other problems, like overheating or disk trouble?
8648) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 41840)
Posted 28 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.6 available for testing for Windows and Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.5 --> 7.0.6:

  • client: detect Windows HyperV Server 2008 R2 (from Crashtest).
  • client: increase the buffer sizes for retrieving cpu features on *nix type systems. The latest generation of processors blow past 256 bytes and vmx and svm are truncated.
  • client: shuffle disk usage code in preparation for disk accounting.
  • use new XML parser in some GUI RPC code.
  • WINSETUP: Introduce new BOINC setup packages which include VirtualBox.



Available installers:
- boinc_7.0.6_windows_intelx86.exe
- boinc_7.0.6_windows_x86_64.exe
- boinc_7.0.6_windows_intelx86_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.0.6_windows_x86_64_vbox.exe
- boinc_7.0.6_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh
- boinc_7.0.6_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh

8649) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduler Wait (Message 41839)
Posted 28 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
(BTW, I didn't know SETI@home had GPU support for Mac, BOINC wiki says it doesn't: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing Maybe they should update that wiki).

Seti doesn't have GPU applications by default for the Mac or Linux. But you can download a 3rd party app and used that through the anonymous platform, just as you can use a plethora of optimized apps through the anonymous platform. Doesn't mean that the project then has such an app, as when you add the project to BOINC it won't automatically download the app.
8650) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 41825)
Posted 28 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.5 available for testing for Windows

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.3 --> 7.0.4:

  • MGR: in Simple View, localize institution, science area and description.
  • client: if we're trying to upload a file and it's missing, that's a permanent error.
  • WINSETUP: Copy the explorer primary token to get processes launched by the setup process to launch with reduced permissions.
  • MGR: Partial fix for wizard problem when a client automatically attempts to attach to an account manager via cookies. This fix is good enough for the 6.8 client. We'll need to do a little more for 7.x and beyond.
  • MGR: Continue partial fix for wizard problem when a client automatically attempts to attach to an account manager via cookies.
  • scheduler: if an app has only GPU versions, scale their PFC by 0.1 in credit calculations. This reflects the fact that GPU apps are typically less efficient (relative to device peak FLOPS) than are CPU apps. The actual values from SETI@home and Milkyway are 0.05 and 0.08.
  • MGR: Display project descriptions in Attach Wizard using wxTextCtrl instead of wxHtmlWindow to support screen readers.
  • Show localized project descriptions in Attach Wizard.
  • MGR: Fix horizontal sizing of text in Simple View project description.
  • API/client/manager: allow applications to supply a "web graphics URL", in which case the manager's "Show Graphics" button opens a browser at that URL. This typically would used for applications that implement a web server that serves pages showing job information in HTML.
  • add support for APP::needs_network flag. If set, don't run jobs for that app while network is suspended.
  • client: parse this flag and maintain in state file; do a job reschedule when network suspend state changes.
  • GUI RPC: add RESULT::network_wait flag; if set, this job is waiting for network access to be allowed.
  • Manager: display the above in task info add support for "web graphics URL" (see above).
  • client: parse message containing URL on graphics_reply channel and store in ACTIVE_TASK::web_graphics_url
  • GUI RPC: add RESULT::web_graphics_url
  • Manager: if web graphics URL is present, Show Graphics opens a browser.
  • remove some vestigial code for pre-V6 graphics.
  • make "needs network" a property of APP_VERSION rather than APP.
  • update_versions: support <needs_network> flag in version.xml


Preliminary Change Log 7.0.4 --> 7.0.5:


  • SCR: Remove last linger pieces of v5 backward graphics compatibility from the screensaver.

8651) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac + BOINC as a daemon + VirtualBox (Message 41800)
Posted 26 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, this isn't solved in BOINC 7.0
It isn't something for BOINC to solve, it's something for the project to solve. Their (wrapper)application should not run in the way it is now. We are testing the new application for T4T through a test project, which does require BOINC 7. If you want to you can come test running the newer T4T tasks there.

Mind, this project is one for bug fixes, there's no validator running, thus no credits being given out. There's no credit export. The project will be deleted when we're done with it.
8652) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac + BOINC as a daemon + VirtualBox (Message 41798)
Posted 26 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hey, it's what they write, not what I wrote. So if you want to complain about clearness or semantics, you really have to complain about it on the T4T forums.

What they mean you to do is not install as a daemon and run their installation script. The Mac BOINC installer will install BOINC under your account, you need to run the Make_BOINC_Service.sh script to make it a service installation running under a limited user account. So what you do is not run that script after you installed BOINC, but instead run the script you got from T4T.
8653) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac + BOINC as a daemon + VirtualBox (Message 41793)
Posted 26 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://lhcathome2.cern.ch/node/45 writes:
BOINC must not be installed as a service (Windows) or a daemon (GNU/Linux and Mac OS X) because this project uses Virtual Machines. When BOINC is installed as a service or a daemon it runs as an unprivileged user and cannot run any virtual machine.

The best solution to solve this problem under Windows is to install BOINC disabling the Service option in the Windows installer. For Mac OS X users you have to run a specific script that we have created, and for GNU/Linux users the recommendation is to use the official BOINC GNU/Linux installer instead of the packaged ones for your distribution.
8654) Message boards : Projects : CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project (Message 41777)
Posted 25 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Temporarily in the air is the CERNVM/Vboxwrapper Test Project at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/vbox/.

This is a rapid ALPHA project run by the BOINC developers and is geared towards finding and squelching as many bugs in the present BOINC + Virtual Box + VBox wrapper software as possible, on Linux, Windows and Mac OS X. This project is to be burned when it has run its course, we're in it for the bug fixes rather than the credits. Credits export is not on, isn't going to be enabled either.

Think you want to give us a hand in helping out? You're more than welcome.
Requirements though:

-- BOINC 7.0.11 available from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php.
-- Virtual Box 4.1.8 installed on your system from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads.

Be careful for the initial download. What though was 1.61GB is now 260MB (compressed). But still, if you think that's too much or too taxing for your bandwidth, then please don't try.
Post about any and all bugs you come across on the project's forums, or on the BOINC Alpha email list.
8655) Message boards : Questions and problems : added 2nd computer (Message 41768)
Posted 24 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'll have to take that up with the project, it's their apps that ran, their credits given to you.
8656) Message boards : Questions and problems : added 2nd computer (Message 41763)
Posted 24 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Credits only ever go lost when the project deletes the database. So what probably happened here is that you used a different email address to sign up with. when adding multiple computers to the same project, always use the same email address. The email address is the unique identifier.
8657) Message boards : BOINC client : Being able to switch off high priority feature of BOINC (Message 41753)
Posted 23 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
He for got to mention one reason: projects that have a resource share that is much smaller than other projects will tend to run in high priority mode when they don't need to.

I forgot another one, the one where when resource share is zero (backup project), all the work that comes in will run in HP.

I probably forgot others as well. ;-)
8658) Message boards : BOINC client : Being able to switch off high priority feature of BOINC (Message 41747)
Posted 22 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
But if after 1 year, on different computers, a project continues to send ridiculously short deadlines, which in turn send WUs into high priority mode, I think it's also reasonable not to conclude by asking only TO THE USER to do something!

You have a choice. Continue to run the project, or leave.
If there's plenty of projects out there that match your wish for a larger deadline, then why fight the couple that don't follow your rule?

Indeed... So what's your response if the project administrators do not care with their ridiculously short deadlines? While other administrators do it well.

What you do forget here is that there are scientists behind all the projects who expect results back. For some of the projects it doesn't matter that the results come back in 2 weeks time or more. But for others, more specifically the ones doing medicine research it is adamant that the results come back as soon as possible, not have them dilly-dally out there for 2 weeks or more.

Malariacontrol has a deadline of 3 days. Not much and it may make BOINC go into high priority even when you've been attached to that project for more than a year and let it allow to fetch work all that time. Even with a small cache Malaria can go into HP. But why worry about that?

What is it with the overwhelming need to tell BOINC what to work on next? Does the scheduler not follow the resource shares you set? Does your work not all meet the deadline? Why are you running BOINC, to help the science or to gain all those credits? Does it then matter where you get them from? Is someone forcing you to stay with the project(s) that in your eyes do things so damn wrong?

My BOINC is attached to 55 active projects, every month or so I change which projects can run for the next month. Some projects are on for ever, since their forums require a RAC above 0 to post.

At this time 9 projects are allowed to fetch work. I run BOINC 7.0.3, a test version with the whole new scheduler. It's set to a connect to of 0.1 days and cache of 0.5 days. Furthermore, BOINC only runs between the hours of 9pm and 7am when electricity is cheap (5pm and 7am in weekends). It will suspend all work when I start games, and off late I play a lot of TESV: Skyrim.

With all that baggage in check, you understand that my BOINC doesn't run much, but when it does run it will do so on 3 of the 4 CPU cores. I set one core free for everything else in my system. However, even with this whole new BOINC, with the whole new scheduler, with 9 projects fetching work, with all of the tests I do for the developers --both BOINC and the OpenCL developers at Albert-- and the gaming I have done for the past month, I have yet to see any project's tasks run in high-priority.

....
8659) Message boards : BOINC client : Being able to switch off high priority feature of BOINC (Message 41745)
Posted 22 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So as a conclusion: as a simple user, but an aware one, who have a look to its boinc clients from time to time, without the nose on it all day, who don't want to modify the config file, I would like to have a switch/option in menus to prevent high-priority mode.

If you do not look in BOINC all the time, then how do you know you get high-priority work all the time (as you claim to have in that same post)??
You do know that the high priority mode is just there to assure that work will get in by deadline?

When you see BOINC run your work in high-priority all the time, either:
- you're seen as a high-value user with very much trusted computers by the project who send you work with a very short deadline;
- or you've got too large a cache for all the projects you're attached to;
- or you've got too much work from one project whose deadline is very short;
- or you just added a project that BOINC hasn't a clue how long the tasks run for, whose estimate is way way way off and for which BOINC has to run some tasks to get a feel of how long these tasks run.

BOINC will always try to get work in by deadline. Essentially what happens when you switch off high-priority is that no work will ever try to be in by deadline again. The developers could just as well do away with the whole scheduler then, as what's the use when you get to decide what runs when for how long and for which amount of tasks? Why do you need BOINC?

P.S: For people wanting to learn a thing or two about BOINC, why not read its original whitepaper, or for this conversation local scheduling for Volunteer Computing. That way you may know why the developers chose to do things like this.

The client configuration file is only needed for advanced users. But no one on these forums can see from the outside whether you are one, so forgive if we ask you to use a certain setup that requires the client configuration file with certain debug or other flags that will help us help you.
8660) Message boards : Server programs : Computation Error (Message 41743)
Posted 22 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The computation error happens on the client, in the science application. This will also send back information about the error, just click on any of the task's resultIDs, which will show the stderr.txt that will show what is giving the error.

Client (BOINC) errors are always three digits and negative, e.g. -227
Application errors are normally positive, can be negative, but then are +1, -1 or something like -1073528045.

So it's difficult for us to check what your errors are without you saying what the actual error number is.
8661) Message boards : Questions and problems : Weird score graph shown (Message 41731)
Posted 21 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How does this happen?

At some point your computer's time and date must've been changed to 270 days ago, at that time you had BOINC contact the Seti project.
Is there any way I can fix this?

Exit BOINC completely (File->Exit->check Stop running of science applications on Manager exit?"->OK).

Navigate to your BOINC Data directory. Default positions for it are in this FAQ, including showing you how to get to it when it's hidden.

Open the statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml file with Notepad. In it it'll probably show something like:
<project_statistics>
<master_url>http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/</master_url>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323129600.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>312292.010586</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>190.310669</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>19759.890708</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>190.310710</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323216000.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>312292.010586</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>108.281159</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>19759.890708</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>108.276576</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323302400.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>312342.958816</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>107.669278</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>19810.838938</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>107.669351</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323388800.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>312789.246362</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>129.348569</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>20257.126484</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>129.348628</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323475200.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>313022.047251</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>146.448038</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>20489.927373</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>146.448095</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323561600.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>313470.564629</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>167.391733</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>20938.444751</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>167.391781</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323648000.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>313609.383797</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>161.368279</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>21077.263919</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>161.368322</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>

...

<daily_statistics>
<day>1323734400.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>313785.969463</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>171.416646</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>21253.849585</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>171.416687</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
<daily_statistics>
<day>1323280800.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>313785.969463</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>171.416646</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>21253.849585</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>171.416687</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>

<daily_statistics>
<day>1324252800.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>314464.699166</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>175.736022</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>21932.579288</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>175.736050</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>
</project_statistics>

Check the values for the <day>/<day> entries. The values should be increasing, but there'll be one towards the end that's 972000 seconds less than the next one. That whole of <daily_statistics></daily_statistics> is what you want to lose, delete. Then use File->Save to save the file and File->Exit to exit out of Notepad.

Now restart BOINC (Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.
Your statistics tab for Seti@Home should now be fixed.
8662) Message boards : Questions and problems : Statistics for computation errors? (Message 41722)
Posted 20 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
One would hope that the project keeps an eye on the errors being returned, as that way they can easily see whether or not their app is stable enough. Of course, when a project is being set up, in alpha or beta stages, they'll want you to post about those errors in their forums. No quicker way to get the facts back than from a user.

In the back-end, used by the project, one has a list of errors over the last 24 hours and more. For the user, however... See, most of the errors are due to application instability. Yep, it's very well possible that your system isn't in ship shape and that it is producing only errors, but you can check that against other users.

Other than that, we have the BOINC FAQs, where I put some errors with a description of what is causing them. But that again scratches only the surface. BOINC errors are easy for me, as I just ask the developer. But application errors, not so easy, especially not when the developer for the project hasn't specified that any special error number should be given. So then all your errors are of the -1 category. Good luck there.

Best ask either in their forums, or here. Although, when you do post here, you'll probably get as answer that you should ask at that project's forums first. Sorry for that, but we don't really know which project uses what error message, etc. ;-)
8663) Message boards : Questions and problems : Looking into source code of grid applications? (Message 41721)
Posted 20 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein: http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/license.php
Seti: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_porting.php (when they're back from maintenance).
Milkyway: http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/download/src/
Leiden Classical: http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/download/DownLoads/Classical/
Yoyo@Home: http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/download/download/

Normally, the source code can be found from their front page, or a sub-menu about the project. There's of course lots of projects that don't do this, or whose code is proprietary. Ask in their forums, if need be.

BOINC its source code can be found at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser; to download it, see instructions at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCode.
8664) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Manager not auto-connecting to client (Message 41718)
Posted 20 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just tested and it works without a problem. However, I also have just about everything BOINC wise enabled through my Windows firewall. So it could be tainted.
8665) Message boards : Questions and problems : Hard drive -> SSD change. (Message 41714)
Posted 20 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as you uninstall BOINC, then move the data directory to the new drive and new drive letter, and then reinstall BOINC, whereby you change the path(s) to the programs directory and data directory, then it will work. The changing can be done in the Advanced section, from the third screen in the installer.

Question is, do you want to?
The SSDs aren't that big, plus they've still got less read/write operations to them before they fail than a magnetic drive does. It's like a thumb drive, would you install BOINC on that?

And besides, I also don't think it'll speed up any of the calculations, as that's still done by your CPU/GPU. Whereas you use an SSD to quickly start up things, such as your OS.
8666) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Manager not auto-connecting to client (Message 41711)
Posted 20 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing I can think off is that while I've been controlling it with boinccmd I've downloaded some more work-units, and boinccmd may have tweaked something, privs or Selinux stuff

Boinccmd uses the same port (TCP 31416) as both the Boinc an Boinc Manager binaries do. I'm not totally sure you can use Boinc Manager and Boinccmd at the same time, since usually only one program can use the port. Anyone want to test?
8667) Message boards : Questions and problems : Impractical settings (Message 41698)
Posted 18 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is particularly a problem, it's virtually impossible to find the place to change the language, without knowing danish.

But the position is still the same, no matter what language.
When in Simple View click Advanced view (this is an untranslatable button, so it'll still show Advanced view).

In Advanced view to Tools->Options->Language selection menu.
The Tools option is the third one in the top menu bar. The Options is the second one in that list. The Languages drop down menu is the top option in the General section.

2 - There is no setting to make BOINC not start up with windows.

Of course there is. In the same Options menu as where I pointed you above, uncheck "Start Manager at Windows login?"

3 - Why is a restart necessary after installation? No modern program should need to restart windows after installation.

This is only necessary when you install BOINC as a service, as only then will BOINC make the for that service necessary limited user accounts, which is why you need to restart the computer to allow Windows to finalize making those accounts.

By default BOINC is not installed as a service, you need to make it so. Another name for service installation is "protected application execution".
When BOINC is not installed as a service, both the BOINC process and the project applications run under the user's account.

Other programs that will require you to restart Windows include anti-virus scanners, anti-spam software and firewalls. Those don't even run under a special (sand-boxed) account, but they require you to reboot anyway. Nothing said about Windows Update, of course, or videocard and motherboard drivers.

4 - I would like a uninstall shortcut in the program menu, so I don't have to go search for it in control panel.

It's in the Add/Remove Programs (Windows XP/2000) or Uninstall a program (Win Vista and 7) list. I asked the developer. He says it isn't a standard for programs using the Windows Installer, as in no other program out there does this.
8668) Message boards : BOINC client : Being able to switch off high priority feature of BOINC (Message 41692)
Posted 17 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Had already tried with a duo and 7.02 client. The client runs empty, and lets 1 core sit idle, then finishes last task and fetches ONE new task... just as the wiki describes, twice.

Yeah, I tested this now as well. It's worse even as it also ignores any GPU you have in the system. I am now running one task on my 4 core system (3 cores used, one reserved for the GPU) with GPU.

Reported that to Boinc_dev.
8669) Message boards : GPUs : CUDA Work Units do not Suspend when Computer in use (Message 41679)
Posted 17 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, I posted the same question there under my Einstein@home user name "Dogstar"
I've got 47 views and no replies. Not even "Ageless" the moderator has replied.

Probably because I am no moderator over there. That's Mike, Gary and Heinz, of the active ones and Kathryn and John of the lesser active ones.

I didn't answer here, till now, because you're in good hands. Nothing to add.
8670) Message boards : Questions and problems : No BOINC screensaver for KDE after several years of development (Message 41673)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is a BOINC screen saver included in BOINC from v6.10 or 6.12;

I checked the source code, it's from 6.12 onwards.
8671) Message boards : Questions and problems : Better CPU/GPU management (Message 41669)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is no way to do this at this time. It's thought of as a feature for the preferences for a future BOINC.
8672) Message boards : Questions and problems : No BOINC screensaver for KDE after several years of development (Message 41661)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
LOL, don't look at me. Not a clue. ;-)
But Dago will be along any second now and tell you... probably. :)
8673) Message boards : Questions and problems : No BOINC screensaver for KDE after several years of development (Message 41659)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is a BOINC screen saver included in BOINC from v6.10 or 6.12;
That it may not run on your system can be because of different versions of X and DMs have different requirements as far as screensavers go. Different rules for KDE vs. Gnome vs. everything else.

But as you can see, in the source code there is a screen saver for X11: This is a XScreenSaver compatible BOINC screensaver for Unix/X11. Whether or not your distro's maintainers use it, is anyone's guess.

And then we're only talking about the screen saver in BOINC. The actual screen saver for projects is their doing, their separate application. You'll have to ask at the project's site(s) about that.
8674) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 41658)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7.0.3 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new version to test. This version has updated translations as well as fixes for work-fetch.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha, and report bug to the Alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.2 --> 7.0.3:

  • API and client: add "ncpus" field to APP_INIT_DATA.
    Tells multicore apps how many cores to use. The --nthreads command line arg to the app is now deprecated though we'll keep it around for the time being.
  • client: isdigit() asserts if its arg is negative (which it can be). Call isascii() first.
  • GUI RPC lib: add some consts.
  • MGR: Increase the opacity of the panels to make the black text more readable.
  • client: when contacting a project for reasons other than work fetch (e.g. to report completed jobs) only request work if it's the project we would have chosen if we were fetching work.
  • client: the way in which project priorities were adjusted in work fetch to reflected currently queued work was wrong.
  • client: fix bug in the way project priorities are adjusted in RR simulator.
  • client: compile fix; remove redundant total_peak_flops()
  • MGR: eliminate "ghost" Notices window when running on Windows OS.
  • MGR: don't show "indeterminate" progress bar in Simple View.
  • client: if a file download was in progress at the time of an upgrade from 6.12 to 6.13+, it could get erroneously marked as an upload and get stuck forever. Problem: uninitialized member.
  • MGR: Scale the task pane in the advanced view to encompass the largest button.
  • Mac installer: revert to using a wrapper application around installer package.
  • Mac installer: eliminate use of WaitPermissions.app
  • Mac installer: revert branded build script for wrapper application around installer package.
  • Mac installer: for files in projects and slots directories, if the executable-by-owner permission is set, ensure that the executable-by-group bit is also set.
  • MGR: Eliminate spurious divider line in Simple View.
  • client: tweak parameters of file xfer backoff to reduce backoff intervals somewhat.
  • MGR: Add IE8-10 support for browser cookies when UAC is enabled. Use the supported API. It appears MS changed the cookie file format in their latest browsers which broke our hack. I have to leave the hack in for now because IE7 on Vista didn't expose the IEGetProtectedModeCookie API.
  • WINSETUP: Start BOINCMgr as a restricted process on Windows Vista+.
  • MGR: If CSkinIcon PNG file has an alpha channel, use it as mask and ignore any <transparency_mask> tag.
  • lib: encode CAL version numbers in a way that handles release #s > 1000.
  • client: tweak parameters of file xfer backoff to reduce backoff intervals somewhat.

8675) Message boards : Questions and problems : After upgrade everything just ends immediately with "computation Error" (Message 41645)
Posted 15 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, it shouldn't be necessary for Einstein, but I think it still is for CPDN... did you install the 32/64bit compatibility libs? See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#64_Bit_Considerations for which files that are for Fedora
8676) Message boards : BOINC client : Being able to switch off high priority feature of BOINC (Message 41642)
Posted 15 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Only when used with --exit_when_idle will it exit after the task is done. It doesn't say that you need to use --exit_when_idle, just that when you do so, that... etc.
8677) Message boards : Questions and problems : After upgrade everything just ends immediately with "computation Error" (Message 41641)
Posted 15 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
An upgrade from what to Fedora 16?
Which BOINC? Where did you get it from? 32bit or 64bit?
What does it say on any of the erred tasks? Give a link to any of them in your tasks list at the project.
8678) Message boards : Questions and problems : Stats not updating in BOINCstats or other reporting (Message 41632)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jocelyn, the BOINC replica database server that all statistics come from was off line until sometime yesterday. That's why there were no stats going out to any of the statistics sites. After the maintenance outage, Jocelyn has been restarted, it's probably synced up by now and stats will go out again to a stats site near you.

Note however that any project having statistics problems isn't a BOINC problem. It's always up to the projects first, the statistics sites second to figure out why that is. We here at BOINC are normally the last to know, not that we can help. So always bring this up on the project's forums. Ten'll get you twenty, it's their problem.

(I got this info purely by reading the Seti forums)
8679) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 41630)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Already available.
Set the favorite project's resource share to anything you want, set the backup project's resource share to zero. This way the backup project will only fetch work when the favorite project does not have any work.

This does require that the backup project have an up-to-date BOINC back-end and that you are using at least BOINC 6.10.56
8680) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU Load all over the place? (Message 41614)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can't compare the load between projects. The task is translated into kernels that the GPU understands, and it's these kernels their size and weight that make up for the load on the GPU. On Einstein they can be heavy, on MW they can be light, but change the application and it could well be the other way around.

Want to have full GPU saturation? Use an older one, with less memory, or run multiple tasks on the same GPU. Check in the project forums for how to do that.
8681) Message boards : Questions and problems : DCF issue an back offs (Message 41613)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've been told there's a problem with the DCF swinging back and forth, any idea when this will be fixed

It can't be fixed, unless application specific DCFs are introduced, which requires a whole new client and back-end that supports that. Until that time, one DCF for all.

and what about the insane back offs?

Changeset [trac]changeset:24775[/trac]: client: tweak parameters of file xfer backoff to reduce backoff intervals somewhat.
8682) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project Initialisation-retired project (Message 41603)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
AQUA@Home is shut down, its servers are no longer online, hence why BOINC won't update anything about it.
8683) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41600)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I suspect it's a corrupt Windows registry entry. You did clean out all the old BOINC.msi files? You may have to clean out the registry on mention of any of that as well, so open regedit, select Computer (at the total top), then press CTRL + F, type in BOINC.msi and click Find Next. Delete all entries that it comes up with. You can continue searching by pressing F3.

Just to make sure, prior to starting the installation, you did delete the registry entries at:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley ?
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley ?
8684) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41598)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now I finally have a clear head.

The 64bit version of BOINC when installed in the 32bit Program Files directory will then not start up, and give exactly these problems. That's the boinc_*.*.*_windows_x86_64.exe version, when installed to C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ will it give exactly these symptoms.

The 32bit version can be installed to and run from the 32bit and the 64bit Program Files directories without problems.
8685) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41597)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=119
8686) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41592)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Norton Security Suite

There have been problems with Norton's firewall in the past and each time, it's Norton that has to come up with a fix. So try their forums first and foremost, they're better equipped with telling you explicitly how to make program exceptions, than we are.

BOINC works with all the other firewall solutions without much problems out of the box, so that's something Norton will have to try to achieve as well.
8687) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41591)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
there is no gui_rpc_auth.cfg file listed.

Which is probably your main problem. Seems like BOINC doesn't start up far enough to make this file, or even completely start the client, for whatever unknown reason.

Any error messages in your Windows Event Viewer?

In any case, either try to make a file called gui_rpc_auth.cfg in your BOINC Data directory, leave it blank, nothing in it. You can do so from Notepad, just open Notepad, immediately go to File->Save ass.., navigate to C:\Programdata\BOINC\, file name: gui_rpc_auth.cfg, Save as type: All files (*.*), encoding: ANSI, save.

You can then start BOINC and see what that does.
However, you can also try to start BOINC with the --no_gui_rpc attribute. To do so, try boinc.exe --no_gui_rpc from a command line and then start BOINC Manager separately.

8688) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41587)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
My mistake. When you perform the installation, it lists both directories for installation options. The files were only installed into one location.

When you install, it lists one directory for the program files and one for the data directory.


The data directory should NOT go to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ or C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ as these directories are protected by Windows and not allowed to be written to as much as any other directory outside these trees.

By default on Windows Vista and 7, the data directory goes to C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ and it is hidden.

Seeing how you miss a lot more files in your "data directory", like the account_*.xml files for the projects you seem to be attached to, I suspect that you put your present data directory elsewhere. And then seeing how you write that "Installer performed installation to both file locations: \Program files and \Program Files (x86)", it'll probably be in either of those places. Where it shouldn't be in.
8689) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41576)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now I get a popup saying that Boinc manager is communicating with Boinc Client, please wait. On the manager itself, it is connecting to localhost.

Uhm, I don't understand. You either get the pop-up saying it's trying to communicate with the client, or it'll show that it's connected to localhost --which is the client.

You didn't need to uninstall the 64bit version and install the 32bit version, I was just adding that whole bit to get you to check where you installed what. Just to make sure it was in the right place, as the installer will always follow what was last used as the installation place (unless you cleaned the registry).

So, did you set new exceptions in your firewall?
Are you seeing the "connecting to client" pop-up long?
Is it eventually going away?

As an extra, try to exit your BOINC fully (boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe not running, boinctray.exe can continue running, this is the idle detection program). Next navigate to your BOINC Data directory (where client_state.xml lives) and delete the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file. This stores the randomly made password for the GUI RPC.

You can also edit it and add your own password. Or nothing. When you do any of these, don't add a carriage return (Enter) at the end of the line, just leave it be and save it in ANSI format.

Then restart BOINC.
If you deleted the file, BOINC will remake it.
8690) Message boards : BOINC Manager : I/O, memory priority reduction of BOINC (Message 41575)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC its parts (boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe) don't need to run at low priority since all they do is manage which project's application to run next, when work should be downloaded etc.

It's the project's applications which do the work and these are normally run at low priority. Some exception for some of the (OpenCL) GPU applications here and there, and the QCN application, which run at Below Normal priority, as else they don't utilize the full use of the CPU.

So if the project's application isn't running at Low priority, you'll have to ask the project why they decided to do that, in this case at the Einstein project. I just suppose it's because it's still their test app, not a full production one (seeing how the app's version numbers is 0.23), but you really will have to ask them, at their forums.
8691) Message boards : BOINC client : OSX client and unnamed user accounts (Message 41572)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps that you don't see the need, but you're hardly the only person running BOINC on his Mac. There's plenty more, including companies and schools/universities, who will want/require that level of security.
8692) Message boards : BOINC client : Being able to switch off high priority feature of BOINC (Message 41568)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having wus with days or even weeks before the deadline entering in panic mode just because a few minutes of work for an other project was downloaded is simply ridiculous.

Run with the <rr_simulation/> and, <sched_ops_debug/> <cpu_sched_debug/> flags on in your client configuration file, show this behaviour. Preferably in an up-to-date client. Showing it in 6.10 or 6.12 isn't up-to-date, the scheduler in those versions isn't going to be updated, ever.

And of course, since BOINC is open source, there's always the option to get the source code, tinker away at the scheduler all you want to make it do what you want, and then recompile the client running that code.
8693) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41566)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe, boinc.scr, boincscr.exe and boincsvcctrl.exe are allowed access through your (Windows) firewall on TCP port 31416.
Separately boinc.exe needs to be allowed access to the internet through TCP ports 80 and 443.

Make sure that when you installed a 32bit BOINC, that it was installed into the C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ directory, as this is the directory Windows reserves for 32bit programs. A 64bit BOINC needs to be installed in C:\Program Files\BOINC\

The different BOINC installer can be recognized by name.
The 32bit BOINC installer is named Boinc_version.number_windows_intelx86.exe
The 64bit BOINC installer is named Boinc_version.number_windows_x86_64.exe

Windows will not like it when you try to run a 64bit program from the reserved 32bit Program Files directory tree. Idem ditto with running a 32bit program from the 64bit Program Files directory. But only one of either gives a warning, or will plain refuse the program, I am just not sure which one.

Also make sure that the BOINC Data directory is outside the Program Files\ and Program Files (x86) directories. Not only are these reserved for the different bit-depths of programs, but also are programs not allowed to constantly write updates to these directories. This to make sure spam and other unwanted programs won't make use of these directories.
8694) Message boards : BOINC client : OSX client and unnamed user accounts (Message 41560)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please read the ReadMe file that comes with the BOINC installer on the Mac. In it, it says:
Security:

Since version 5.5.4, BOINC Manager for the Macintosh has featured new, stricter security measures. This additional security helps protect your computer data from potential theft or accidental or malicious damage by limiting BOINC projects' access to your system and data.

The installer sets special permission for the BOINCManager and Client, which allows them to write to the shared BOINC Data regardless of which user is logged in. If you copy BOINCManager or the BOINC core client without using the installer, it will not run properly.

However, you can safely move the BOINC Manager within the same disk drive or partition. If you need multiple copies, run the installer again after moving BOINC Manager; this will create a fresh copy in the /Applications folder.

BOINC verifies that ownership and permissions are set properly each time it is launched. It will tell you to re-install BOINC if there is a problem.

The new safeguards use the basic security protections built into UNIX (the base underlying Mac OS X): permissions and ownership.

The administrator (usually the owner) of each computer creates one or more users who can log in, can create private files, and can share other files. Some of these users are given administrative privileges, some may not have these privileges.

There are also groups, which have one or more users as members. For example, users with administrative privileges are usually members of the "admin" group.

In addition to these "visible" users and groups, the operating system contains a number of "hidden" users and groups which are used for various purposes. A person cannot log in as one of these "hidden" users.

This structure of users and groups is used to provide security by restricting what data and operations each person or application can use. For example, many files belong to user "system" (also called "root") and group "wheel" so that non-privileged users can't modify them, thus protecting the computer system from accidental or malicious harm.

Starting with version 5.5.4 of the BOINC Manager for the Macintosh, the BOINC installer creates 2 new "hidden" users boinc_master and boinc_project, and two new "hidden" groups, also named boinc_master and boinc_project (unless they were created by a previous installation of BOINC.)

The installer automatically gives administrators (users who are members of the "admin" group) membership in the two new groups, so that they can easily manipulate BOINC files. The installer asks you if you would like non-admin users to be able to run the BOINC Manager and to have access to these files. This is particularly useful where many people have access to the computer, as in a school computer lab.

BOINC projects are given permission to access only project files, protecting your computer in the event someone downloads bad software from a bogus project, or in the unlikely case that a legitimate project's server is infiltrated by a cracker.

For technical details of the implementation, please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SandboxUser and http://boinc.berkeley.edu/sandbox.php
8695) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Two different CPUIDs 2 signup times (Message 41554)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why ask here? We don't make BAM or are in any way affiliated with it.

You'd have to wait for someone who by chance has that specific knowledge to give you the answer, while when you ask at the BAM forums, there'd be so many more people with knowledge available to answer you.
8696) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to run 10 tasks at the same time on an Intel Core 2 under linux (Message 41539)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What Ebay, I'll sell it to you and it won't be cheap. ;-)

Anyway, I won't go into trying to explain why this works as such --other than hinting at tasks with different run times, earlier heat related problems and cleansing of the dust bunnies, or the user not being completely honest about the pictures used-- but instead warn that anyone wanting to use the above method to run more work than he or she has actual CPUs is doing so at their own choice.

That when your hardware grinds to a halt, that it isn't BOINC its fault, as no one at Berkeley or these forums forced you to run more tasks than you have actual CPUs.
8697) Message boards : Questions and problems : Lost Project and cannot attach (Message 41538)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So you went to your Seti account and logged in there? Tried to change your password there?
And if logging in didn't work, because of an error message, you used the temp log in link option, then changed your password and then tried again?

And if all of the above did not work, you posted about it on the Seti Help Desk forums?
8698) Message boards : Server programs : help seti@home fund faster (Message 41537)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Because BOINC (Manager) isn't just Seti@Home. It runs a lot more, so what are star plots going to get me when I run Correlizer, or LHC 1.0, or Enigma, or Leiden Classical? Just to give some examples.

So what you have there is a third party add-on, which you can install separately when you run just Seti. Such as SetiMapView (can also be used on Einstein and Astropulse).
8699) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to run 10 tasks at the same time on an Intel Core 2 under linux (Message 41514)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's the use? Emulating 8 CPUs on a 2 CPU system will only run all that work extremely slowly as those 2 CPUs will still have to do all the work. You can just as well set <ncpus>10</ncpus> if you want to run 10 tasks on a 2 CPU system.
8700) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41503)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Their home pages are nowhere to be seen, is what I meant. No home pages, no forums. I didn't check in BOINC, since mine isn't running.
8701) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41501)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Both Einstein and Albert have dropped off the face of the Earth.
8702) Message boards : Questions and problems : Edit Prefences screen won't Scroll. Screen clipped. Linux. Gnome. (Message 41496)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ageless seems to think it was resizable at one time so maybe he knows why it isn't resizable now. I would wait to hear what he has to say about it before submitting a ticket or code diving.

It was resizable in the past, but that must've been before 6.10 then. Last night I was talking about this with one of the developers, he was also wondering when that window was last resizable.

I do know that in the past it was resizable as then I could do that on my TV system, where the screen resolution couldn't go any bigger than 800x600 on the old videocard. So to be able to get to the OK buttons we would need to resize that window and move it to top of screen then.

I'll ask the developer further about this, and else ask that it be a feature request. However, this will then mean that it will only be available in the newer BOINC Managers. They don't port back that capability. Especially not back to a BOINC that's almost a year and a half old.
8703) Message boards : Questions and problems : Edit Prefences screen won't Scroll. Screen clipped. Linux. Gnome. (Message 41484)
Posted 5 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, it's still possible to resize that window in 6.10. Have you tried to grab a corner and resize it?
8704) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Two different CPUIDs 2 signup times (Message 41457)
Posted 3 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC accounts cannot be merged. You will have to choose one or the other to run with. The Seti Classic WU count can only be joined with a BOINC account once. The user name isn't the unique identifier, but the email address is. E.g., there can be thousands of users named Hank, but they'll all use their own email address to sign up with.
8705) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC for QNX (Message 41451)
Posted 3 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on what you run QNX on, I think. If a PC, it should be possible.
8706) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error 1706: Cannot find BOINC.msi (Message 41444)
Posted 2 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See the answers in http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=119. It's Windows that has corrupted the installation files.
8707) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 41437)
Posted 1 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's here... Richard, pay up. :-)

BOINC 7.0.2 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is the first of the 7.0 clients to be released. That means we are really close to declaring a new stable release and releasing it to the public.

Please go through the client software and report test results for as many test areas as you can.

As always, report bugs here and report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 6.13.12 -> 7.0.1:

  • Mac installer: There can now be multiple instances of the Manager running, so shut them all down.
  • client/scheduler: If the file "client_opaque.txt" exists on the client, include its contents in scheduler request messages. On the scheduler, parse this into SCHEDULER_REQUEST::client_opaque, where it can be used by the customizable scheduler functions.
  • Mgr: Don't call Simple View specific periodic RPCs when BOINC is hidden or minimized.
  • client: show error messages (as notices) when get an error parsing cc_config.xml.
  • client: if an <exclude_gpu> element in cc_config.xml specifies a nonexistent app, show an error msg with a list of existing app names.
  • client: improve messages for the above.
  • Mgr: In CSimpleTaskPanel, change Update() to UpdatePanel() to fix compiler warning.
  • client: add some missing items to CONFIG::parse_options_client().
  • MGR: use wxBitMapComboBox insert and append calls without client data argument.
  • Remove include of boinc_cl.h from parse.h; it is no longer needed.
  • Remove Mac Availability Macro and weak-link support from cl_boin.ch
  • MGR: Fix button font sizes in Simple View Projects panel.
  • client: on network_available() GUI RPC, clear project-level upload and download backoffs, as well as RPC and individual xfer backoffs. This was an oversight.
  • MGR: In Simple View, draw Mac progress bar on white background for better visibility.
  • MGR: Adjust red New Notices ring for new button shapes if on Mac OS 10.7
  • MGR: const fixes for platform bitmaps. (From: Steffen Möller)
  • MGR: Add trace statements to help track down RemoveAt? bug
  • MGR: Remove static var guard, may not be needed with the SetDlgOpen() routines blocking timer based updates. If there is a buffer overrun hopefully it'll manifest itself in a detectable way.
  • MGR: Prevent crash, check returned pointer of menu entry.
  • MGR: Fix bad asserts.
  • MGR: Fix bad transparency in default project icon.
  • MGR: The asserts were correct; fix minor errors in calling code.
  • MGR: In Simple View, if deleting a task above the current selection, decrement the index of the current selection.
  • MGR: In Simple View, reload slide show when task selection changed.
  • MGR: In Simple View, sort Project & Task Selection Controls case-insensitive, fix bugs in MacBitmapComboBox.cpp
  • GUI RPC client lib: change setsockopt() for receive timeout to work on Windows. From Fred.
  • default screensaver: fix divide-by-zero; code cleanup.
  • client: fix errors in transferring RAM info between CAL and OpenCL. (bytes vs MB units, local/global terminology issue). From Oliver Bock>
  • default screensaver: fix build breaks caused by code cleanup above.
  • default screensaver: fix another divide-by-zero.
  • MGR: In Simple View, show institution, science area and description if task has no slide show.
  • MGR: Continue work on Simple View to display the description if task has no slide show.
  • In Simple View project descriptions, change all occurrences of "<sup>n</sup>" to "^n"
  • MGR: Complete work on Simple View to display the description if task has no slide show.


(7.0.1 was not released for any platform)

Preliminary Change Log 7.0.1 -> 7.0.2:


  • MGR: Better sizing of Simple View description text box.
  • Update Mac sandbox docs to explain need for executable project files to set executable-by-group bit.
  • Mac installer: revert to using a wrapper application around installer package.
  • Mac installer: for files in projects and slots directories, if the executable-by-owner permission is set, ensure that the executable-by-group bit is also set.

8708) Message boards : BOINC Manager : cannot connect to my BOINC project (Message 41433)
Posted 1 Dec 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://192.168.2.5/test/

That's not an internet address, but a local network address. As far as I know, you can't use the local IP address with a text behind it. A port, yes, but not a sub-address.

So you'll have to use the internet address, or give the domain a name.
8709) Message boards : Projects : Milkyway Updates (Message 41419)
Posted 30 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll leave it open for a while longer. You never know...
8710) Message boards : Questions and problems : This sucks!!! Did IBM/ WCG Buy BOINC??? (Message 41418)
Posted 30 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
World Community Grid have their own version of BOINC and BOINC Manager, that you can download from their site. It's essentially the same as normal BOINC, or even PtP BOINC (Intel's BOINC), just that the name and help is different.

To get 'old BOINC' back, you will have to uninstall the WCG BOINC version and install BOINC downloaded from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php. Mind, most of the columns are changed in 6.12 as well. But at least it'll be called BOINC by Berkeley.
8711) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41407)
Posted 30 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did Seti leave the realm of worldly projects, or is it me? ;-)
8712) Message boards : Projects : I wish to prioritize my Favorite Project! (Message 41398)
Posted 29 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set the resource share of your favorite project to some high value and the others to a lot lower.

E.g.
Project A 10000
Project B 50
Project C 25
Project D 0

This will run Project A predominantly for as long as it has work. It'll only sometimes get work from B and C and will only get work from D when none of the above have work.
8713) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduler Wait (Message 41384)
Posted 29 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have an Nvidia GeForce 9400M.

That's a GPU that you can use to do work with on some projects. In a sense everyone has a GPU, as that's the graphical processing unit. Without it you don't see anything on the screen. However, since a couple of years one is able to use the ATI/AMD and nVidia GPUs for calculations, just as you would use a CPU.

I assume VRam is memory on the card, it says 256MB

Yes, VRAM is Video RAM, memory on the videocard. 256MB is not enough to run work on the majority of projects. Seti needs at least 384MB on the videocard to be able to run a task to completion, especially when you use the latest drivers.

You may have to look around and ask on the various projects if they support a card with this little memory. If not, best thing is to disable the use of it on those projects that don't. You can normally do so in the project preferences, in the case of Seti that's at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project; go there and set "Use Nvidia GPU?" to No.

You can do so on other projects as well. Using the GPU or not is a project preference, not a global one as not all projects support GPU use yet.
8714) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduler Wait (Message 41372)
Posted 29 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The "scheduler wait" message in 6.13 is essentially the same as the "waiting for memory" message in 6.12; a GPU does not have enough memory to continue the work.

But in 6.12 it would also come up when other causes left no memory to be used. Essentially, what this message now means is that the application was temporarily exited by BOINC and is waiting to be rescheduled, to run again at a later time when we hope enough memory is available.

Which begs the questions:
1. Do you have a GPU? If so, what kind?
2. How much memory does the GPU have?
3. How much memory does your Mac have?
4. How many CPUs does your Mac have?
8715) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41360)
Posted 28 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Volunteer supplied posts about project outages will continue to appear here. Please keep it on topic, post as much about the project outage itself or return of the project only. Want to have an in-depth discussion? There's a whole forum outside this thread that you can start a new thread in.

May we please ask that when you post, to do so without adding your signature? With thanks.

To do so, when you make a post in this thread, uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" and then make your post. Your signature will still be enabled on other posts, just not this one. You can also edit your post during an hour and take the signature out.
We ask that you post without a signature to keep the purpose of this thread clear: News about project outages, not about how many credits you have or what team you want us to join.
It's not that difficult to do and it gives the moderators even less work to do, as we don't have to remove your post. So please...
8716) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Manager's scheduler working strangely (Message 41359)
Posted 28 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not that it's BOINC Manager that does any scheduling. BOINC Manager is the GUI, the graphical command center allowing you to give commands to the client BOINC, which does all the work including the scheduling.

The 6.12 scheduler is finite. It won't be changed anymore. If any big show stopping bugs are in it, too bad. The completely from the ground up rewritten scheduler for BOINC 7, being tested in BOINC 6.13 is what is going to be the next scheduler, which will keep the developers busy to test with at no end.
8717) Message boards : BOINC client : Being able to switch off high priority feature of BOINC (Message 41353)
Posted 27 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you have a lot of work going into high priority, either your cache is too big, your computer isn't on enough to run what work is in cache, or you don't allow BOINC to run long enough to run that work in cache.

I have work from 8 different projects in cache (Einstein, Albert, LHC 1.0, Correlizer, Seti, Enigma, Leiden and Rosetta), on a connect to of 0.1 and an additional of 1.00, while this BOINC is only allowed to run between 9pm and 7am when electricity is at its cheapest and then use only 2 or 3 of the cores, instead of all 4 as I don't want to take the case apart at this time to clean the dust bunnies out again.

Off late the amount of time BOINC has been on has even been less, since I also play a lot of Skyrim (Elder Scrolls V), which I can tell you isn't something you finish playing in 8 hours, like most of the latest FPS games just released.

I have yet to see any work go into high priority, but then I don't mess with it either and let BOINC do whatever it thinks is correct.
8718) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41351)
Posted 27 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please people, may I request that you set up a thread outside this one for the discussion of what's best for Milkyway and go have your discussions there? This thread is here to allow people to report that projects are out and have come back, not to give advice on how projects should be run.
8719) Message boards : Questions and problems : Blue Window Crash (Message 41334)
Posted 27 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The crash happened in win32k.sys, not in boincmgr.exe, which was just an innocent bystander when your system went haywire.

STOP 0x00000050 PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA means as much as "Drivers are using improper memory addresses." It also says so in the dump: "DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT" and "Could not read faulting driver name".

That it happened after you changed something in BOINC, through BOINC Manager does not mean BOINC or BM is at fault. More that the cause lies elsewhere. Think of memory, CPU, hard drive. When BOINC runs work it'll put all those under quite some load. Any fault, any instability will come to light this way.

Try running Prime95 (32bit and 64bit version available) and Memtest86+ to test the CPU and memory with other programs. Prime95 is comparable to BOINC, in that it will put big stress on the CPU and memory. If that causes a same BSOD, it's your memory or CPU. Memtest86+ will stress test the memory.

See this Prime95 tutorial and Memtest86+ tutorial for more help.

8720) Message boards : GPUs : Boinc GPU Wont Stop - revisited (ATI) (Message 41299)
Posted 24 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also make sure that boinctray.exe is running. This does the idle detection for BOINC under Windows Vista and 7.

Showing that it works....
24/11/2011 02:39:00 | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (CAL version 1.4.1417, 1024MB, 992MB available, 2000 GFLOPS peak)
24/11/2011 02:39:00 | | OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: ATI RV770 (driver version CAL 1.4.1417, device version OpenCL 1.0 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.5 (775.2), 1024MB)
24/11/2011 02:39:00 | | ATI GPU is OpenCL-capable
24/11/2011 06:58:01 | Albert@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming for p2030.20100913.G44.55+00.20.S.b4s0g0.00000_1672_0
24/11/2011 06:58:54 | Albert@Home | [checkpoint] result p2030.20100913.G44.55+00.20.S.b4s0g0.00000_1672_0 checkpointed
24/11/2011 06:59:01 | Albert@Home | [coproc] ATI instance 0: confirming for p2030.20100913.G44.55+00.20.S.b4s0g0.00000_1672_0
24/11/2011 06:59:06 | LHC@home 1.0 | [checkpoint] result w5_weak8_collision_err_bb__20__s__64.31_59.32__12_14__6__49.5_1_sixvf_boinc27668_2 checkpointed
24/11/2011 07:00:00 | | Suspending computation - time of day
24/11/2011 07:00:00 | Albert@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting p2030.20100913.G44.55+00.20.S.b4s0g0.00000_1672_0 (removed from memory)
24/11/2011 07:00:00 | Albert@Home | [task] task_state=QUIT_PENDING for p2030.20100913.G44.55+00.20.S.b4s0g0.00000_1672_0 from request_exit()
24/11/2011 07:00:01 | Albert@Home | [task] Process for p2030.20100913.G44.55+00.20.S.b4s0g0.00000_1672_0 exited
24/11/2011 07:00:01 | Albert@Home | [task] task_state=UNINITIALIZED for p2030.20100913.G44.55+00.20.S.b4s0g0.00000_1672_0 from handle_premature_exit
8721) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41283)
Posted 23 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Pirates@Home is in drydock.

22 November 2011 20:18 UTC
    Pirates@Home is undergoing a server software upgrade.
    Check back later to see if we are still hosed.
                          - Captain Wormholio 
8722) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running daemon on Mac Lion (Message 41255)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you add any projects? It sounds like you only run BOINC. But BOINC itself doesn't do any science, that's done by the science applications from the projects that you have to add to BOINC.

If you did add projects, which ones? They may not have default OS X applications.
8723) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC versions 6.12.4x tested? (Message 41251)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If Boinc 6.12.43 isn't listed on the Download page, very few will use it

Most of the fixes in that version (and the ones before) are for Test4Theory. But since Test4Theory hasn't upgraded their vboxwrapper app yet to work with the bug-fixes in this version, there's no real use for testing it at this time.
8724) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC versions 6.12.4x tested? (Message 41248)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
We don't have any test statistics for anything higher than 6.12.34. I was hoping to get test feedback from those helping test T4T as those builds were built for them.

I suspect that once T4T ramps up on the new wrapper features we'll receive test feedback and decide on whether or not to make it a general release.

----- Rom
8725) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU CUDA work doesn't auto suspend when computer is in use (Message 41233)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Plus when you're running Windows, the question whether or not boinctray.exe is running. That's the idle detection program in Windows 7 and Vista.
8726) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem running daemon on Mac Lion (Message 41229)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developer about this, here's what he answered me:
Hi Jord,

It works fine for me on my Mac Pro and OS 10.7.2. When you first start up the computer, it may take a couple more minutes than the idle time set in BOINC before its applications start, but after that the idle time is as set in my preferences.

Cheers,
--Charlie
8727) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 41228)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Albert@Home project (Einstein's test project) will not have any downloads due to server trouble this weekend. Nothing yet said about Einstein themselves.
8728) Message boards : Questions and problems : openssl 1.0.0e-1.fc16 (Message 41223)
Posted 18 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure you update your libraries first. BOINC does not release an exact working version for all Linux distros, that's mostly left to their repos managers.

You can try ldd boinc and ldd boincmgr to see what other libraries you may be missing that need updating.
8729) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does it exist a Boinc for SPARC cpu's? (Message 41221)
Posted 18 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The same people who built BOINC for SPARC will also have built a Seti application for SPARC. See for instance at http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/SETI@home%20applications.html
8730) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on AMD GPU - Computation Error after update to Catalyst 11.11 (Message 41193)
Posted 17 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Milkyway has its own forums, at http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_index.php
Collatz has its own forums, at http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/forum_index.php

What we mean with requesting help on these problems at the project, is that you post in the project forums. It's their application that these drivers have a problem with, they will want to know about it.

It isn't BOINC that has a problem with the drivers, since your ATI card was detected as normal: 11/16/2011 8:16:35 PM | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (CAL version 1.4.1607, 1024MB, 1256 GFLOPS peak)

BOINC doesn't do any of the work, that's the science applications of the projects that do that. So any problem you have with the science applications of the projects is best asked about on that project's forums.

Most all projects have forums. Recognizable as "Message Boards" and "Help Desk" links in the main index, where you saw the link to go to BOINC help.
8731) Message boards : Questions and problems : what is the use of points? (Message 41182)
Posted 16 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Credits are a way for the projects to say thank you for doing the science for us with your computer. They're worthless, cannot be used for anything, other than to brag about them towards others using BOINC.
8732) Message boards : Questions and problems : Porblem with a BOINC install. Twice (Message 41176)
Posted 16 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
But, I think with so many laptops in use, it is simply not prudent for GPU's to be opted in by default. Heat, heat, heat.

Which is why the default setting is to use the GPU only when the computer is not in use and then only after the default 3 minutes of idleness.

It's to make it easier, so all the capable hardware is used by default, when you first install BOINC.
But the user is never relieved of responsibility, you will always have to check if everything works OK and whether you want BOINC to use all that. If not, you have the choice to not use that piece of hardware any further, or change the way in which it is used even further.
8733) Message boards : Questions and problems : Porblem with a BOINC install. Twice (Message 41174)
Posted 16 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why not good? BOINC will try to use all the supported hardware out of the box, but it'll also by default set it to use only when the computer is idle.

But just to be clear, where do you look for how this GPU is set to use?
Web preferences?
Local preferences?
Some place else?
8734) Message boards : Documentation : Please consider to make a documentary (Message 41164)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BoincPapers has amongst its and some project's original papers, also:

- The origins of BOINC (David Anderson) (Youtube).
- How does BOINC work? (David Anderson) (is a torrent, requires torrent app to be installed).
- Freetorrent showing plenty of other talks. (All need a torrent application to be installed).
8735) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Winders Server 2003 (Message 41157)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I changed the login name/password, but it still does not work.

You can't just change the login name or password. The BOINC service will run only under the boinc_master and boinc_projects accounts (where boinc_master runs BOINC and boinc_projects run the science applications).

Changing the password on the boinc_master account, without rehashing it at base64, will also not work. It needs that level of security. And even when you rehash it to base64, it may not work.

As for the administrative installation, you will need to uninstall your present BOINC before that. That should still be possible.
8736) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on Winders Server 2003 (Message 41154)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post the whole event ID about "The BOINC Service terminated unexpectedly" ?

It's possible that the password on the service account is no longer correctly read. You can try to change it.
Passwords
Q. Can I change the password on the boinc_master and boinc_project accounts?
A. Yes you can.
You will need to need to go to the service control manager and update the password to start the service (boinc_master). (BOINC->Properties->Logon)
Next you need to use a base64 encoder to rehash the password and fill this in in the client_auth.xml file in your BOINC data directory. You can use a base64 encoder online, such as this one.

Do know that the passwords on the accounts are set to never expire.


The installer checks whether or not it's installing on a DC, which is why it gives that error. If you were to 'install' with the administrative switch "boinc_installer_name.exe /a", it would unpack without problems.
8737) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Headless - Problem Connecting to the Projects (Message 41149)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1) I can't make changes to BOINC - these PC's run *HEADLESS* - no mouse, no monitor, no keyboard - just a PC, crunching.

Sure you can, please read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely and then explain why you can't do that.

2) BOINC can know when the network is not connected - for whatever reason - from the system. Easy as pie. Some versions have this ability, as I mentioned previously. The most popular versions of BOINC however (Windows), DO NOT have this ability, and should have it.

The client BOINC is compiled from one source code for all platforms. So when one platform can do it (Linux) all others (Windows, OS X) should be able to do so as well. But since BOINC is a platform neutral program, it doesn't support OS specific things such as checking if the network is there. That's built into the client, through Curl, but then Curl has to know about all the different forms of no connection possible.

3) There is no reason at all to "back off" when there is no internet whatsoever.

4) There is no reason to continue "backing off" when the internet connection is re-established.

{snip}

All your other Windows programs will either go on some sort of retry timer when there's no internet connection, retrying every so often if the situation has changed, or throw an error immediately and not try ever again.

Why isn't BOINC allowed to do this then, in a friendly manner? Please do remember that you are not the only person using BOINC and any of the projects your BOINC is attached to. Do you really want a lot of computers to DDoS a project's servers if they have had a problem and they have just come back? Is it that important?

The project back-off is reset when doing an Update.
I had a back-off running on the Einstein project for my ATI card. Einstein doesn't have work for the ATI card, so it backs off automatically to its 24 hour retry cycle.
<rsc_backoff_time>
<name>ATI</name>
<value>76800.000000</value>
</rsc_backoff_time>
<rsc_backoff_interval>
<name>ATI</name>
<value>1321239125.891645</value>
</rsc_backoff_interval>
[quote]

I then did an Update on the project:
[quote]<rsc_backoff_time>
<name>ATI</name>
<value>0.000000</value>
</rsc_backoff_time>
<rsc_backoff_interval>
<name>ATI</name>
<value>0.000000</value>
</rsc_backoff_interval>


Now, of course, you do not have to believe me, as what do I know? ;-)
8738) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running Headless - Problem Connecting to the Projects (Message 41145)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I would think the BOINC developers would also want a smarter program. Trying to connect when the network access is not present, and then refusing to connect when the network is present...

You can set the Network Activity to Suspended before you remove the network cable and put it back on "based on preferences" or Always available when you connect it again. Then you will only have the back-off when the project does not have internet access (e.g. when their servers are down).

BOINC cannot determine between the computer having no physical internet connection, the network cable being removed, the network card being broken, your ISP being down, the project servers not being up etc. etc. as they all have the same symptoms: There's no answer from over there.

Now, this can also be because the project servers are under too much stress, a deluge of computers trying to reach them, in a sense doing a directional denial of service attack. That's where the back-off comes in. For the "just in case there is a connection, but we're part of the DDoS attack, let's stop trying" cases.

When in back-off, you can do an Update on the project. When that doesn't work, go Advanced->Do network communication. Either of these will shake the back-off loose. And after you had all communications, suspend your network activity.
8739) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two gpus - bad scheduling (Message 41136)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nonsense? Hands up everyone outside Dagorath who a) reads every thread; b) will remember everyone else's computer details; c) answer in every thread.

Otherwise, it's common courtesy that when you ask for help, that when you ask for help that you post your computer information, projects and BOINC version. In the least.

For all we know you have multiple computers, each with their own many a GPU. Or between your last post and now that last system you posted about broke down and you have replaced many parts. We cannot see what you see. You will have to explain to us what you see, what you have done to try to fix this, all the debug flags you set and what the logs with those flags said.

And yes, in every thread that you ask for help in, you post that information. Not let others hunt for information that you yourself can easily give.
8740) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.33 released to public (Message 41132)
Posted 12 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The latest stable release is 6.12.34, not .33.
But you may want to upgrade to the latest available 6.12 instead:

6.12.43 32bit version
6.12.43 64bit version
8741) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two gpus - bad scheduling (Message 41131)
Posted 12 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Probably because of a misalignment in the temporal causality loop, causing a cascade inferno of cosmic rays to coalesce with the ley lines. Therefore a lot of information went missing, giving us no hope to give you an answer, ever.
8742) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 41117)
Posted 11 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.12 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This release fixes several things that caused the client to crash. Please use the client over a prolonged period of time to continue testing the crash fixes and the CPU/GPU scheduler.

E@H has posted OpenCL binaries to their test project and have informed us they are ready for the alpha testers to give them feedback on it. Check out http://albert.phys.uwm.edu if you have an ATI card that supports OpenCL. (See the ATI SDK requirements page if your GPU is on the list). Albert has ATI OpenCL applications in test for Linux and Macintosh as well.

As always, report bugs to boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 6.13.11 -> 6.13.12:

  • MGR & client: On Mac, to work around bug in XCode 4.2, ignore command line arg "-NSDocumentRevisionsDebugMode=YES".
  • Mgr: fix a bug deleting entries from Task Selection control introduced on 9 November.
  • Mgr: If a slide show has only one slide, load it only once.
  • client: check return value of FILE_REF when parse project file. Fixes crashing bug.
  • MGR: Update default skin to v4.

8743) Message boards : Questions and problems : Task Core Limit (Message 41112)
Posted 11 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Complain at Milkyway for not having an option in their project preferences with which you can choose not to run their N-Body application which does multi-threading. Multi-threading applications will use all cores on a CPU, when you tell BOINC to use one less, the work will stop until either all cores are available again, or the work times out after deadline.

But really, these N-Body tasks don't take up all that long. On my i3 (2+2HT) they ran for all of 8 minutes. Your i5 or i7 should run them in less.
8744) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 41106)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.11 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Due to a mistake made in the installer, people with 6.13.10 installed on Windows will find that this version will complain at them that this BOINC is already installed and that if they want to continue installation, that the previous version needs to be uninstalled through Add/Remove programs (Uninstall a program). You'll have to do that and then (re)start the installer for this version. It'll install fine. Next versions after this won't have that problem. Even the developers are only human.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 6.13.10 -> 6.13.11:

  • GUI RPC client: parse the reply of quit(), so that it returns an error if no response.
  • lib: fix a "strcpy(p, p+1)" instance.
  • Mac installer: update ReadMe? files for BOINC 6.13.x
  • client: fix bugs when writing/parsing cc_config.xml via GUI RPCs (e.g. when editing it via the Manager). Include only the GPUs that were specified in the original cc_config.xml, not those detected by the client.
  • client: fix bug that failed to require authorization for GUI RPCs that are supposed to be authorized.
  • client: report parse errors in acct_mgr_url.xml and acct_mgr_login.xml
  • fix compile warnings.
  • client: show GPU exclusions at startup (need to do this after reading the state file, since GPU exclusions refer to projects).
  • client: fix bug that added garbage <coproc> element to <app_version> in state file when using GPU exclusions.
  • client: fix work fetch bug. If we're contacting a project to report results, only piggyback work requests for resources for which that project is the highest priority that may have work.
  • client: compute result.not_started more efficiently. TODO: continue efficiency work. There's still some quadratic stuff.
  • client: Fix compile error.
  • Mac: add -Wno-format-security compiler flag to suppress warning that format string is not a string literal.
  • client: fix errors in (currently unused) get_max_cpu_temperature() code for Macintosh.
  • client: attempt to fix bug reported by John McLeod?, where the client crashes after giving up (90 day timeout) on an upload. I'm guessing this was caused by [trac]changeset:24391[/trac], which changed the order in the poll loop from garbage_collect -> file_xfers->poll -> pers_file_xfers->poll -> handle_pers_file_xfers

    to

    garbage_collect -> handle_pers_file_xfers -> file_xfers->poll -> pers_file_xfers->poll

    I don't understand why this would have caused a crash, but so be it. I restored the original order, but with handle_pers_file_xfers not inside the if (!network_suspended).

  • client renamed handle_pers_file_xfers() to create_and_delete_pers_file_xfers()
  • Mac: remove -Wno-format-security compiler flag (no longer needed).
  • check in trickle crash fix.
  • MGR: Bug fix.
  • MGR: apparently WxWidget's combo box has problems (bugs) if multiple items have the same string. So, in simple view task combo box:
    -- show % done (unique in most cases).
    -- remove version number.
    -- instead of showing plan class, show "NVIDIA GPU" or "ATI GPU".
    -- TODO: update the fraction done.
  • client: condition RR sim negative FLOPs message on rr_simulation.
  • client: reduce complexity, possibly get rid of a crash condition on 64-bit Windows.
  • MGR: Change default skin to the one Jacob Klein purposed.
  • client: on transient upload failure, don't do start_xfer() within PERS_FILE_XFER::transient_failure(); we're about to delete and free the FILE_XFER. The transfer will be restarted in the next poll.
  • Mgr: Fix Simple View layout to fit 3 decimal places for % done.
  • Mac installer: fixes for OS 10.4 compatibility.
  • MGR: add spaces to identical application names in Task Selection control to make each entry unique.
  • WINSCR: Add a reference to SCRAPPERR_BOINCNOGRAPHICSAPPSEXECUTING in the message lookup table.
  • WINSCR: In the ResetProc message pump, change the call for CloseWindow() to DestroyWindow().
  • WINSCR: Sync up the timer IDs.
  • OpenCL API: fix logic error.
  • OpenCL API: check return value from clGetDeviceIDs().
  • WINSCR: Fix compile error.
  • WINSCR: Attempt to gracefully shutdown a graphics application first.
  • client & lib: Update the OpenCL header to include calling conventions and weak link information for Mac machines.

8745) Message boards : Questions and problems : OSX Lion - not authorized - 6.12.35 for Mac OS X (Message 41097)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.13 will become 7 any day now, but it's far from stable. It is stable enough to go from alpha to beta test, but still not stable enough to go to stable release. We've had several crashes of the client with 6.13.10, so please make sure you update to the next 6.13 when it's available, or to the first Boinc 7 when it surfaces.
8746) Message boards : Questions and problems : MS VC++ 'Runtime Error!' from BOINC (Message 41096)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a BOINC error, it's at minimum a Microsoft one, but because it originates in the D:\Boinc\projects... directory, it's automatically a project error. For you to figure out which one, but speaking from past experience, it's most probably CPDN that's giving that error.
8747) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 41092)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The latest available versions are:
6.12.43 32bit version
6.12.43 64bit version

(Also available for Mac and Linux).
8748) Message boards : Questions and problems : Do we Windiows crunchers have Virtual Machines (VM's) in our future (Message 41090)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think Oracle (owns VirtualBox), T4T and BOINC are all collaborating on the effort to integrate BOINC and VirtualBox. Without T4T's groundbreaking work on using VirtualBox with BOINC none of this would have happened. The BOINC developers are far from being the lead, it's a 3 party team of equals, AFAIK.

You may want to read up on the documentation.

The original Workshop where Ben Segal asked about possibilities to look into using a virtual machine environment in BOINC, was the one hosted by CERN in 2007.

After that, [trac]Wiki:VmApps[/trac] and [trac]Wiki:VirtualBox[/trac] are very enlightening. The first Vboxwrapper was created [trac]changeset:22745[/trac] on the 24th of November, 2010 and [trac]changeset:22753[/trac] on the 29th of November, 2010; a full 2 months before T4T started according to its news archive.

Now, for me the interesting thing about the VmApps page is the TODO list:
* Test other hypervisors than VirtualBox (VMware, kQEMU, etc.)

I would think that for people like Mitrichr where Virtual Box is really not working, for whatever weird reason, that an alternative VM program would be an option. Definitely something to check into.

* Test other host OS's than Linux (Ubuntu 9.04)

Waiting for a Windows CE open source version. ;-)

And plenty of other stuff on that to do list.
8749) Message boards : BOINC client : OS X 6.13.10 Testing (Message 41085)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
With thanks.
Now any further increase of unexplained memory use by the client, please send in your client_state.xml file again and then post here about what you see (screen grabs are highly valued!) and where to find your state file. I'll forward all info to the developers.
8750) Message boards : Promotion : Anonymous Participation (Message 41084)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is however anonymous participation in BOINC, just not that you register your account as Anonymous. It's to do with the project option "Should this project show your computers on its website?" .. When set to No, your computers are hidden for anyone looking at your account. E.g. mine at Seti.

When watching work, it'll show like this (that isn't my computer). :-)
8751) Message boards : BOINC client : OS X 6.13.10 Testing (Message 41072)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jon, can you please upload you present client_state.xml file to the client simulator and let me know? That way the developers can simulate with your file and setup what you see.

With thanks.
8752) Message boards : Promotion : Anonymous Participation (Message 41068)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Folding@Home seems to be fine, and they allow anonymity.

FAH doesn't run under BOINC and cannot be compared to BOINC. What they do is their business. If everyone jumps off a cliff, should the BOINC developers do that as well? ;-)
8753) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disable boinc notifications (Message 41065)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Disabling will never happen.
But you can run BOINC without the GUI (BOINC Manager). Just start like this: "c:/program files/boinc/boinc.exe --detach" .. the --detach closes the command line window. You can put this line in a shortcut and start the shortcut at Windows start. That will only start BOINC, not BOINC Manager.

Edit 1: Mind, I see that at the Seti boards they answered you to set the Notification reminder to never. As far as I know, this will not stop notification pop-ups, it will just not show them repeatedly until you go check the notification. Each time you start Windows, and BOINC starts you will have at least the one reminder pop-up.

Really disabling them would require an older BOINC Manager version, or Fred's alternate manager, BOINCTasks.

Edit 2: Hmmm, I just noticed that setting the reminder option on Notifications to Never does not give you a pop-up ever. Wonder when that changed. ;-)
8754) Message boards : The Lounge : They haven't landed yet! (Message 41057)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
From https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#%21/response/searching-et-no-evidence-yet, yes, it's official:

Official White House Response to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race - Disclosure. and 1 other petition.

Searching for ET, But No Evidence Yet

By Phil Larson

Thank you for signing the petition asking the Obama Administration to acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.

The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race. In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye.

However, that doesn't mean the subject of life outside our planet isn't being discussed or explored. In fact, there are a number of projects working toward the goal of understanding if life can or does exist off Earth. Here are a few examples:

SETI—the Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence—was originally stood up with help from NASA, but has since been moved to other sources of private funding. SETI's main purpose is to act as a giant ear on behalf of the human race, pointing an array of ground-based telescopes towards space to listen for any signal from another world.

Kepler is a NASA spacecraft in orbit that's main goal is to search for Earth-like planets. Such a planet would be located in the "Goldilocks" zone of a distant solar system—not too hot and not too cold—and could potentially be habitable by life as we know it. The Kepler mission is specifically designed to survey our region of the Milky Way galaxy to discover Earth-sized, rocky planets in or near the habitable zone of the star (sun) they orbit.

The Mars Science Laboratory, Curiosity, is an automobile-sized rover that NASA is launching soon. The rover's onboard laboratory will study rocks, soils, and other geology in an effort to detect the chemical building blocks of life (e.g., forms of carbon) on Mars and will assess what the Martian environment was like in the past to see if it could have harbored life.

A last point: Many scientists and mathematicians have looked with a statistical mindset at the question of whether life likely exists beyond Earth and have come to the conclusion that the odds are pretty high that somewhere among the trillions and trillions of stars in the universe there is a planet other than ours that is home to life.

Many have also noted, however, that the odds of us making contact with any of them—especially any intelligent ones—are extremely small, given the distances involved.

But that's all statistics and speculation. The fact is we have no credible evidence of extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.

Phil Larson works on space policy and communications at the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy

Relevant Links:

SETI
NASA Kepler Mission
NASA Mars Science Laboratory

8755) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will not connect to Client-Local Host (Message 41056)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When BOINC Manager states that, please open Windows Task Manager -> Processes tab. Make sure you allow to show processes from all users. Is Boinc.exe running?

Which BOINC version (BOINC Manager->Help->About BOINC Manager)?
On what operating system? If Windows, did you try to re-allow both boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe through your Windows firewall? Perhaps that you upgraded BOINC and inadvertently went from a 32bit version to a 64bit version, which installs in a different directory. Or vice versa.
8756) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 41054)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.43 available for testing for Linux, Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log 6.12.42 --> 6.12.43

  • client/API: pass bool using_sandbox in APP_INIT_DATA; says whether the client is using account-based sandboxing. Needed by vboxwrapper.

8757) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINIC crashing my system? (Message 41053)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Playing Crysis 2 cannot be compared to doing science through BOINC. The game never puts all of your processors under full load, nor your GPU. I can even run BOINC in the background while I play C2; I wouldn't recommend it, but it's possible.

As for your screen saver error, please navigate to your BOINC Data directory (default on Windows 7 in C:\Programdata\BOINC) and open up stderrscr.txt, then post what it says in there for the time stamp of your last screen saver crash.

Can you also tell me what drivers you have installed for the ATI card (you can use dxdiag to find information)? Are those from ATI/AMD or installed by Windows?
8758) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINIC crashing my system? (Message 41051)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The computer freezing is normally a sign of a problem with the CPU or memory, be it heat (due to dust-build-up) or a problem with the hardware itself.
Have you cleaned that system anytime lately? Is it a notebook or laptop, or desktop/tower?
How much cooling does it have?
Do all those fans actually spin?
What temperature does the CPU run at when idle and when under load?
Do you use that GPU for doing work at some project? If so which?

As for using 100% of the CPU, that isn't BOINC, but the science applications. You can also see that these science applications run at Low priority, which means that any program with a higher priority will take the cycles when it needs them.

For instance, BOINC is running on my system at this moment, yet I also type this message to you, have music streaming through Winamp and am uploading some torrents, all without those actions having an impact on what BOINC runs, or what runs having an impact on what I do for the rest.
8759) Message boards : Promotion : Anonymous Participation (Message 41049)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This isn't possible to use as the work that your computer downloads is registered against that computer. That computer also needs to upload the result files, or the work is rejected.

If everything were to happen on an anonymous basis, there would be no registering of the computers happening and anyone can return whatever they want, be it real results or garbage, and theoretically gain credit for that.
8760) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request - task control (Message 41045)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And I got caught the same way when suspending tasks in BOINC v6.13.10

Ah, you as well? Got that as well, a whole cache full of Enigma's and Einstein's when I temporarily suspended the tasks not Albert, when trying to 'force' the OpenCL app to start up.
8761) Message boards : BOINC client : 6.13.x client signiture error with Docking@Home (Message 41041)
Posted 7 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6917&nowrap=true#40129:

David Anderson wrote:
There are (at least) two issues with 6.13.3:

1) For GPU apps, it passes an additional command-line argument that causes some apps to fail (usually by exiting immediately). This will be fixed in 6.13.4.

2) 6.13.3 handles file upload certificates (a mechanism that prevents DoS attacks on upload servers) differently than previous versions.
This change was necessary to make scheduler requests and replies readable by standard XML parsers. But it means that file uploads will fail to projects that a) use upload certificates, and b) aren't running current server code.

I sent email to boinc_projects describing this change, and recommending that projects disable upload certificates until they're able to upgrade their server code. Not all project admins read boinc_projects, so it may be necessary to contact them via their message boards or email, and I urge Alpha-testers to do so.

-- David


David Anderson, boinc_projects email list wrote:
"Upload certificates" are a mechanism that keeps bad guys from DoS'ing your upload servers (note: such an attack has never happened, as far as I know).

We're changing the format of upload certificates, and we're starting to test a version of the client for which old-format certificates won't work. Volunteers testers won't be able to upload completed jobs, and they may complain to you.

I suggest that all projects disable upload certificates. To do so, add the following to your config.xml file:

<dont_generate_upload_certificates/>
<ignore_upload_certificates/>

To resume using upload certificates, if you wish:

1) upgrade to the current server source code (from trunk)
2) wait for all jobs with old-format certificates to be dispatched
3) re-enable certificates by removing the above lines.

Let me know if any questions.

-- David
8762) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a version for Win 98? (Message 41013)
Posted 6 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php, version 6.6.38 works on 98 and ME.

2. Not without copying the whole BOINC data directory from the machine that downloads the work to the machine that does the work and when that machine's done, move it back onto the machine that downloaded the work. The machine that downloads the work is registered at the project(s) you attached BOINC to. This machine must also upload that work.

In essence it goes like this:
a) you install BOINC on Machine A and let it download enough work.
b) you uninstall BOINC from Machine A, but leave the data directory intact.
c) you move the BOINC data directory from Machine A to Machine B and then install BOINC on it, pointing out where the data directory is.
c) Machine B runs all the work to end.
d) you move the BOINC Data directory from Machine B back to Machine A.
e) you reinstall BOINC on Machine A, pointing out where the data directory is.

During this time you cannot use the same BOINC data directory on Machine A, as that work can only be returned once. So if you want to use BOINC on Machine A, it needs to be a separate install in a separate data directory. You do need to uninstall & reinstall BOINC each time you switch data directories.

In the end, too much hassle for most. Too many things that can go wrong.
And if it's about installing stuff on a computer that is seemingly so slow already anyway, or otherwise inadequate, since you can't even install Windows XP on it, then you may not even want to run BOINC on it.
8763) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc stop enly when using consol (Message 41003)
Posted 6 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you running BOINC with Activity -> Based on preferences, or another option? If at Run Always, set it back to Based on preferences, as Run Always will ignore preferences such as these.
8764) Message boards : Questions and problems : upload failure (Message 40990)
Posted 5 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC automatically continues with uploads and downloads from where it was cut off the last time.
8765) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40989)
Posted 5 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This thread is for reporting project outages, the POEM project isn't really down.
If you want to rant about them, or ask for help, there's a whole forums outside this thread where you can start a new thread. :-)

In the mean time, to log in on POEM, follow http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/get_passwd.php, fill in your email address, click the OK button under that, go to your email account, open the email from the POEM project, click the temporary log in link in it. This link allows you to log in for 24 hours. Use it to change or redo your password. The old password isn't needed to change to a new password.

After that you are logged in again. Then don't dilly dally, but go to this thread and tell Timo what you see.
8766) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40987)
Posted 5 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You wouldn't have any GPU detection anyway, as the service installation of BOINC will not detect ATI or Nvidia GPUs on Windows 7 or Vista, due to the way that these Windows versions separate the user accounts from the level where the drivers and services run. This is a Windows security feature. It's not something for BOINC to fix, but for Microsoft or the GPU driver manufacturers.

Windows XP does not do this separation of drivers and state, so there you can install BOINC up to 6.12.37 as a service and enjoy your GPUs. 6.12.38 and later have the GPU detection turned off, when BOINC is installed as a service.
8767) Message boards : News : Unplanned server outage (Message 40986)
Posted 5 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
@Ageless, how would I get a temporary link if I didn't have an account? Hmmm?

Where did I say you do not have an account there?
I said that the user log in does not have an account key. I don't see one when I log in to my account there, while one would expect the account key to be showing there then. There's also none on your account here in the forums.
8768) Message boards : Questions and problems : upload failure (Message 40976)
Posted 5 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can also increase your cache size.

This won't help you on Seti, since a bigger cache gives even more problems being filled through their bandwidth problems. E.g. If you already have problems downloading 4 tasks, trying to get 24 in will be even more problematic.
8769) Message boards : News : Unplanned server outage (Message 40975)
Posted 5 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Try using the "forgot password" link and see what you think.

You get a temporary (1day) link emailed but no temporary password.

Yes, that's normal. The temporary log-in link allows you to log in already to do maintenance like change your password.

And when I try to change my password, it requires the old password...

Not for me. When I am logged in and I go to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams//edit_passwd_form.php all I get are the two fields for the NEW password.

If I try to get my account key sent to me, it sends the identical email with the temporary link... so again, no way to reset the password.

Uhm, are you sure you're trying to get into BOINC Wide teams? I ask, as you do not have an account key there.

So please, are you using this link, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/?
8770) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does BOINC run better on Windows compared to Linux? (Message 40967)
Posted 4 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Next time assemble your own computer with off the shelf components for half the price of an HP.

The upside of that is that you are then allowed to open the PC case as well, without a) throwing your warranty in the bin and b) requiring some fancy newfangled screwdriver that no one else on this world uses.
8771) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I install the BOINC upgrade in Linux Mint? (Message 40965)
Posted 4 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Linux, Mint is a Debian version.
8772) Message boards : Questions and problems : is BOINC damaging my PC? (Message 40964)
Posted 4 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And does anybody know what temperature these cores should run at when BOINC is running (i.e. 100% CPU all the time)? Many thanks.

In a well maintained system, one with several fans, filters and a clean environment, out of direct sunlight and not next to a central heating system, you may expect an older i7 to run at 40-60C under load. 40s when clean, towards 60s when dustier/dirtier. Idle temperature is always way lower, in the 20s, Celsius then. Max temperature is 105C. Go over it a lot and you can damage the CPU.

So yes, I'd take the thing apart and get all the dust out. Also probably check the amount of thermal goo between the CPU and heatsink. Did you apply it yourself, or did the whole thing come pre-packed?
8773) Message boards : Questions and problems : upload failure (Message 40962)
Posted 4 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Depends on which project or projects you run. If only Seti, then do know they have bandwidth problems enough on their own, nothing said about external influences. The project only has a 100Mbit (12.5MB/sec) connection to the outside world, through which they try to give work to all 250,000+ computers actively connected to that project; on top of that there are times that they run short Multibeams tasks only, or that they distribute Astropulse tasks (8MB files). Upload 2 of those to slow connections and for several minutes those two will clog the pipes, as there's only a theoretical maximum of 12.5MB to use.

As such, attach to other projects. Ones with large tasks (like ClimatePrediction.net), or with almost unlimited fast internet (Einstein, Primegrid). See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php, there's plenty of projects to choose from.

As for terminology:
--> Seti, Einstein, CPDN, Primegrid, Rosetta, Milkyway, Enigma, etc. these are projects.
--> Projects release work to you, we call these tasks.
--> After a task is done on your computer, BOINC sends a result back to the server.
8774) Message boards : News : Unplanned server outage (Message 40960)
Posted 4 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I tried logging out and back in, I don't have a problem. But I forwarded your post to development anyway.
8775) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing work results (Message 40952)
Posted 4 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Double account?
You registered with that project with a (slightly) different email address?

You can check that by logging in on your account at Constellation.
8776) Message boards : BOINC Manager : running process control (Message 40935)
Posted 3 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set "On multiprocessors, use at most N of the processors" and "On multiprocessors, use at most X% of the processors" to set the amount of processors (minimum and maximum).

You can set these options through most project's global preferences, or when you use the local preferences, set "N" through the project web preferences and X% through the local preferences.

Without you telling what exactly you see, where you see this and what the names are or the project or projects you allow BOINC to visit for work, there's not much I can say about the "3 processes" thing. It's possible a task hangs, it's possible that what you see is a wrapper application, without more information I can't comment on that.
8777) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does BOINC run better on Windows compared to Linux? (Message 40934)
Posted 3 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Processor or GPU specific optimizing of applications is most profitable on those projects that have open source code for their applications. Seti, Milkyway, Einstein (to a point), you best ask at the project(s) though, there's bound to be more knowledgeable people on their (Number Crunching) forums. Those can then explain whether or not Windows apps run better than Linux apps and vice versa, and why.
8778) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does BOINC run better on Windows compared to Linux? (Message 40929)
Posted 3 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is just the managing program, simply said it tells the projects science applications when they can run and which project can fetch work next. It doesn't do any crunching. So there's no need to optimize BOINC for any platform.

If you want to optimize anything, you'd do so with the project science applications, that's where the gain lies.
8779) Message boards : BOINC client : OS X 6.13.10 Testing (Message 40925)
Posted 3 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I uploaded two scenarios to the simulator and attempt to run each, both failed with a (127) error.

I don't think that the client simulator is working yet. We've just had a large BOINC server outage, expect things to fail.

I've forwarded your post to development.
8780) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40920)
Posted 2 Nov 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enigma has been back since 2 days. Sorry for the BOINC domain outage, a broken RAID array threw a spanner in the works. Thanks to Matt Lebofsky for painstakingly repairing everything.

Thus far it looks like Everything came back, but for Trac and the Wiki. If you find weird things around here, please let us know. I'll forward it to development then.

Edit: not everything then. The actual download servers are still down.
In case you need any version, please use the Einstein mirror at http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/download/boinc/dl/?C=M;O=D for now. The BOINC/dl/ server is severely out of date.
8781) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40919)
Posted 31 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since we requested that Enigma disabled the upload certificates to anticipate the 6.13 clients, the project is now down. Sorry. ;-)
8782) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40916)
Posted 31 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Want me to make you a thread in which you can tell people when MW is actually up? ;-)
8783) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia Ion in netbook (Message 40903)
Posted 30 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I find that the Next-Gen ION has "up to 16 cores", which doesn't mean all actually have 16 cores. Even then, all those cores make up your GPU. You can't address them individually. Another word for CUDA cores is Thread processors. E.g., the Tesla C2070 has 448 of them, but that doesn't mean it has 448 GPUs. Just one GPU that has 448 cores.
8784) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40899)
Posted 30 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you mean that the 6.13.10 allows to run a T4T WU without running their script ? so the solution is not coming from their project but from boinc ?

No, as far as I know that script still has to be used at this time. Although you better ask at the T4T forums, I don't keep up with what they have done lately.
The fix in the Mac installer will just make sure that there is a VirtualBox directory made in, what I assume is the /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/Projects/ directory.
8785) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks Restart After Shutdown (Message 40894)
Posted 29 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good catch, Gundolf. :-)

@S Jackson, applications that checkpoint write a progress report to disk. Not all project applications write checkpoints, while of those that do, there's a lot of difference in when they write their progress.
8786) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINIC crashing my system? (Message 40892)
Posted 29 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please keep your language in check, there's really no need for language like that. You can also describe your dislike for the program in different ways.
8787) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks Restart After Shutdown (Message 40891)
Posted 29 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you shut down, BOINC or your laptop?
-> If BOINC, how do you shut down BOINC?

What if you go this way?
BOINC Manager->Tools->Display and network options->Check "Enable Manager exit dialog?"->OK.
BOINC Manager->File->Exit->Check "Shut down running science apps on Manager exit"->OK.

BOINC consists of a client and the manager, two parts. Just shutting down BOINC Manager will not necessarily close down the underlying client. So follow the method above and I'm sure everything will shut down.

What happened here is that you probably went BOINC Manager->File->Exit once and just checked "Remember this decision and do not show this dialog", then went OK. That way, the next time you close down BOINC Manager, BOINC and the science applications stay running.
8788) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40885)
Posted 29 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So? Still stable without the T4T script?
You can also test 6.13.10 (available here), which contains a fix in the Mac installer for the creation of the projects/virtualbox/ directory.

Try running that with T4T.
8789) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU stops when connecting to desktop with Remote Desktop (Message 40881)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a bug and it is known to the developers. This isn't something for BOINC to fix, as it's a Windows feature.

When you use RDP, Windows will switch off the driver that you installed and use its own built-in driver for RDP. This driver does not know anything about weird things like CUDA, CAL, OpenCL or whatever. This driver cannot be updated.

And as such your only option is to not use RDP, but a third party program, such as VNC which uses the user-installed driver and doesn't interrupt the crunching.
8790) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40879)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.10 released for testing for Linux

Rom Walton wrote:
The Linux builds are out for testing.

----- Rom
8791) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40876)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.10 released for testing for Macintosh

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have posted the Mac build of BOINC 6.3.10.

The Mac build has these additional changes:

- Mac installer: Update release script to create projects/virtualbox/ directory, to ensure it has the correct owner and permissions because vboxwrapper does not have sufficient privileges to do so.

- Mgr: Exit manager as soon as quit rpc to client succeeds, instead of waiting for client to exit. (Checked in to 6.13.10 for Mac build only.)

The problem: if suspended tasks are kept in memory, some project applications don't respond to exit request from client, but client needs to allow 20 seconds before killing them in case they are writing a large checkpoint file. But if the manager waits that long to exit, it seems unresponsive to users, so it was killing the client after only 10 seconds. This left orphan project apps in RAM.

The solution: assume that if the quit rpc to the client succeeds, the client will exit properly, so kill client only if RPC fails or is not completed in 10 seconds.

Cheers,
--Charlie
8792) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can I get the same screensaver all the time? (Message 40869)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti screen saver graphics will only show when a Seti task runs. So the only way you can ensure that the Seti screen saver always shows is to only run Seti tasks. Otherwise BOINC will change to the screen saver of the other project (application), or if none is available as not all projects have screen saver graphics it will use its own screen saver.

Wiki on BOINC screen saver says:
Switch between project screensavers every: selects how often to switch among project graphics within the project graphics duration. This has an effect only if it is shorter than the project graphics duration and only if your computer can run multiple BOINC tasks simultaneously (i.e., if the computer has multiple processors.) If you choose never, the project graphics for just one task will be shown for the entire project graphics duration of each cycle, switching only if that task stops running.
8793) Message boards : Questions and problems : more disk space (Message 40864)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume we're talking about Windows?
In that case, uninstall BOINC through Add/Remove Programs or Uninstall a Program (depending on Windows kind), then reinstall BOINC and in the 3rd screen in the installer click Advanced.

Now you can change the paths to where you want BOINC to install its program files (1st line) and the data directory (2nd line). You want to change the path for the data directory.

What are your preferences for Disk and memory?
Did you check both the on-line and local preferences? The local preferences override the on-line preferences.
8794) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40856)
Posted 27 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.10 available for testing for Windows.

BOINC Development Team wrote:
This new version should fix the issue with the upgrade process resetting projects.

Thanks --

The BOINC team


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log 6.13.9 -> 6.13.10:

  • client: fix typo in project parse code.
  • client: smoothed working-set size wasn't being computed correctly. It was always just the most recent size.
  • Mac: Update build instructions for client and libraries.
  • Mac installer: Update release script to create projects/virtualbox/ directory.
  • MGR: Exit manager as soon as quit rpc to client succeeds, instead of waiting for client to exit.

8795) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40853)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
Dear Alpha testers:

Please do _not_ run T4T at this time on the Mac. The current version of T4T requires you to run a script which disables sandbox security and we have unconfirmed reports that this causes problems with other projects. If you have run the script, please detach from or suspend T4T and reinstall BOINC without running their script.

We have developed a method for projects to use VirtualBox without disabling BOINC's sandbox security. Once T4T has implemented these changes, we will ask you to begin testing it.

I hope to have a new version of BOINC for you to test on the Mac soon.

Thank you!

Cheers,
--Charlie
8796) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40851)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.9 retracted from testing for Windows.

The BOINC Team wrote:
Dear Alpha testers:

We've finished adding new features to the 6.13 client. Now we need your help to finish testing it. When it's fully tested as free of bugs as possible, we'll release it to the public as 7.0.

The new features of 6.13 include:

- A new Simple GUI, which is translatable and accessible via the keyboard.
- The client enforces resource shares better and does fewer scheduler RPCs.
- The client supports OpenCL applications. (We will follow-up with a project at a later date)
- The client supports applications that run in VirtualBox virtual machines. This requires that you install the VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads) software. (Test4Theory is the first project to deploy using this technology. If you don't already have an account with them let us know so we can help get you one.)

Reminders:

1) As an Alpha Tester, we ask you not just to use the new software, but to perform a number of specific tests, described here:
http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php
These tests may involve features you don't normally use.

2) Once you've done these tests, we ask you to report the results using the web page here:
http://isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php
It's critical that you report all positive results as well as bugs. We need positive reports to know that the software is working.

3) Because of changes in the state file format between 6.12 and 6.13, you will lose jobs in progress if you revert from 6.13 to 6.12. If you have a machine with CPDN jobs in progress, you may not want to test on that machine.

4) Don't attach clients to the BOINC Alpha project. It will never have jobs. Just use your regular projects.

Thanks --

The BOINC team


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs or other attachments, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log -> 6.13.9:

  • client: fix honoring of cc_config ignore GPU options.
  • WINSCR: Move the reset display call to the end of the full screensaver section. We do not need to perform a display reset in the various test modes.
  • client: fix bug where network suspend got ignored when OS suspends (e.g. sleep or hibernate).
  • client: create and destroy PERS_FILE_XFERs even if network suspended. This will show pending uploads in the Transfers tab.
  • file_upload_handler (server): fix message to client when can't acquire lock.
  • client: parse <alt_platform> in state file correctly.
  • MGR: Support both the old and new libnotify at runtime on Linux.
  • Disable Linux screen saver for right now (broken on latest Ubuntu).
  • MGR: don't show slot number in simple view task list.
  • MGR: Remove code that blocks the switch to simple view when an accessibility aid is running.
  • Remove dead code related to v5 graphics applications from the client software.
  • MGR: Remove the triangle in the lower right-hand corner of the default project image for the simple GUI.
  • MGR: Persist Simple GUI notification dialog size and position information.
  • MGR: Remove context menu help buttons from dialog.
  • client: show OpenCL version correctly on Win.
  • client: improvements to job scheduling and work fetch policies.
    Job scheduling: the baseline policy is to schedule based on "project priority", which is how much processing P should receive based on resource share minus how much it actually has received recently. This policy tends to run jobs from the same project together, so we modified it by adding a priority adjustment as jobs are scheduled. The idea is that if 2 projects have about the same priority they should split the processors.

    The problem: the adjustment was too large on hosts that are on only a small fraction of the time, thus tending to run 1 job from each project, regardless of priority.

    Solution: make an adjustment that reflects the host's actual throughput. See adjust_rec_sched() for details.

  • Work fetch: similar situation.
    We were making an adjustment based on how much work the project currently has queued, but the adjustment drowned out the project priority, so we'd tend to always get work from the project that has least work queued.

    Solution: make a smaller adjustment (-.3 ... .3)

  • client: bug fix for the above.
  • client: in message announcing app start, show the plan class
  • client: don't show "unrecognized XML" messages for account files. It's typically project-specific prefs that the client doesn't know about.
  • client: call xp.skip_unexpected() if get unexpected tag, to avoid showing multiple error messages.
  • Fixed bug in xml_unescape() that caused a segfault if an entity of the form &#NNN; was truncated.
  • client: associate a PROJECT with HTTP_OP where applicable, so that if you use <http_debug> and filter by project you don't see other projects' HTTP stuff.
  • MGR: Make the Default skin loadable from the file system.
  • MGR: Change the in-memory defaults for the skin to be a light-gray background.
  • MGR: Change the dots used in the simple gui.
  • MGR: Make the dots used in the simple gui skinable.
  • MGR: Change the 'Project Web Sites' button text to 'Project Web Pages'.
  • MGR: Add a basic 'Default' skin to be included by the various installers.
  • MGR: Remove a bunch of files that are not used by the default skin anymore.
  • Mac: Update Mac build scripts, XCode project and source files to allow automated builds under OS 10.7 Lion and XCode 4.2
  • MGR: More simple GUI text changes.
  • MGR: Reduce clutter in log file.
  • client: change the way project priorities are computed, so that they do what they're supposed to (i.e. enforce resource shares).
  • client: change log flag <debt_debug> to <priority_debug>
  • client: fix bug that caused extra "<" to get written at end of global_prefs_override.xml and cc_config.xml when they are modified via GUI RPCs.
  • client: fix crashing bug when there's a cycle in the process graph. I had fixed this in one place but not another.
  • client: don't memset(0,) a PROCINFO; use clear() instead.
  • Mac: Update XCode project and Mac build scripts to build libboinc_opencl.a library and to work both with XCode 3.2 on OS 10.6.8 and with XCode 4.2 on OS 10.7.2
  • MGR: Replace backup images RedDot16.xpm, YellowDot16.xpm and GreenDot16.xpm with XPM files created from Rom's new GIF files.
  • MGR: Simple View bug fix.
  • MGR: Fix dot images .
  • Add separate OpenCL static lib for project developers.
  • Make sample OpenCL apps depend on the new OpenCL static lib.
  • MGR: Replace colored dot GIF files with new PNG files with anti-aliasing in alpha channel; generate new XPM files.
  • MGR: Force update of Task Selection List on reskin interface.
  • MGR: Move skin file to correct place, set background image's background color to black.
  • client/API: pass bool using_sandbox in APP_INIT_DATA; says whether the client is using account-based sandboxing. Needed by vboxwrapper.
  • Adjust preference dialog titles, improve Simple View and Simple Preferences.
  • VBOX: Don't redirect VirtualBox to a different directory structure for the root configuration file when the client is NOT in sandbox mode. Doing so could cause confusion if the volunteer uses VirtualBox for any of their own work. If BOINC started up first it would have appeared that their own VM's no longer existed.
  • MGR: Make the simple gui rounded edges seem smoother by increasing the radius.
  • MGR: Fix project name font in the tasks area, normal size. Increase its weight to BOLD.
  • MGR: Make sure the dot is red if the project has been suspended for the given task.
  • MGR: Scale background skin so that it now fits in the new simple GUI.
    NOTE: We are in the process of trying to get new artwork so that we can handle the localization issues better.
  • client: fix NVIDIA peak FLOPS.
  • MGR: Fix crash bug.
  • compile warning fix.
  • MGR: Fix project name font on Mac.
  • MGR: Bug fix: if currently selected task in Simple View deleted, change selection.
  • MGR: Sort Simple View task selection control alphabetically.
  • MGR: Reverted the above change because wxBitmapComboBox loses existing items' clientData.
  • Mac installer: Fix a very old bug.
  • client: reimplement the round-robin simulator to reduce its runtime from O(N2) to O(N), where N is the number of runnable jobs (which can be in the thousands). This will make the client emulator run a lot faster, and will reduce the client CPU overhead a bit.
  • API: change boinc_get_opencl_ids() so that it returns a BOINC error code (< -100) if the app_init.xml is missing or bad (i.e. we're running standalone), and an OpenCL error code (> -100) if an OpenCL call failed.
  • MGR Skins: Fix numerious issues related to bad entries in the Skin XML file.
  • client: free mem on exit if debug mode.
  • MGR: Sort Simple View task selection control alphabetically, working around clientData bug in wxBitmapComboBox::Insert()
  • MGR: Allow skin to specify the (simulated) opacity of Simple View task and project panels.
  • Mac: Modify XCode project to link with libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib and libssl.0.9.7.dylib if OS 10.5 SDK is present, to allow running BOINC on OS 10.4 and later. If OS 10.5 SDK is not present then it will link with libcrypto.0.9.8.dylib and libssl.0.9.87.dylib and product will require OS 10.6 or later.
  • Mac: Update build instructions for client and libraries.
  • Mac installer: fix bugs when installing under OS 10.5.
  • Mac installer: Update release script to include Default skin.

8797) Message boards : Questions and problems : BUG REPORT: Processes Continue to Run After Quitting Boinc (Message 40846)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And how do you quit BOINC?

What if you go this way?
BOINC Manager->Tools->Display and network options->Check "Enable Manager exit dialog?"->OK.
BOINC Manager->File->Exit->Check "Shut down running science apps on Manager exit"->OK.

BOINC consists of a client and the manager, two parts. Just shutting down BOINC Manager will not necessarily close down the underlying client. So follow the method above and I'm sure everything will shut down.

What happened here is that you probably went BOINC Manager->File->Exit once and just checked "Remember this decision and do not show this dialog", then went OK. That way, the next time you close down BOINC Manager, BOINC and the science applications stay running.
8798) Message boards : Server programs : Cant install boinc server on ubuntu 11 (Message 40843)
Posted 25 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If all's well, I'll be testing setting up a BOINC server on Thursday. Never done that before. Challenge time.
8799) Message boards : Questions and problems : Older Account keep coming back (Message 40834)
Posted 25 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default directory where BOINC will install its executables to is:
Windows 32bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES\BOINC\
Windows 64bit: C:\PROGRAM FILES (x86)\BOINC\

The default directory where BOINC will install the data files to is:
Windows 98/SE/ME: C:\Windows\All Users\BOINC\ or C:\Windows\Profiles\All Users\BOINC\ (*)
Windows 2000/XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\ (*)
Windows Vista/Windows 7: C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ (*)

(*) This directory may well be hidden, so either put the path to it directly into Windows Explorer, or instruct Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
8800) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 40831)
Posted 25 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.42 available for testing for Linux.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log 6.12.42

  • Lib: make sure strip_whitespace can handle the overlapped string case.

8801) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC/Milkyway@home ATI GPU problem. (Message 40830)
Posted 25 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's a very easy check on these pages: bus width.
On single precision cards, the bus width is 32, 64 or 128. Double precision cards have a bus width of 256 bits.

The v4800 shows as 128 bits.
8802) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Password invalid on 6.13.6 (Message 40820)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
We're testing 6.13.8; try to reproduce it on that.
8803) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 40815)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nope, not going to happen. There's still too many files to check, by hand, it's not going to happen today. More luck tomorrow.
8804) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 40813)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The CPDN admins are trying to get things back up & running by 5pm British Summer Time (4pm UTC).
8805) Message boards : Server programs : Cant install boinc server on ubuntu 11 (Message 40812)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you install Ubuntu on a disk drive, or are you running it from a Live DVD, or did you install it in a virtual machine in VirtualBox?

Then about BOINC, did you go to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VmServer and download any of the BOINC VMs, and if so, which one?
Or did you install all the BOINC server prerequisites by hand?

I ask this as then I can test it.
It's also possible that Ubuntu 11.04 has too many changes, that the BOINC VMs may not run correctly on.
8806) Message boards : Questions and problems : (OSX) BOINC suddenly unstable (Message 40810)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Blah why do the most complex problems always happen to me.


Fate. :P
8807) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC/Milkyway@home ATI GPU problem. (Message 40807)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Firepro 3D 4800 only does single precision. It's not on the list of being Brook+/CAL capable.

It is however OpenCL capable.
8808) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40804)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
During the night I got a couple more instructions from the developers:

1. I need to remind you that you are a beta tester of T4T, and that LHC@home requires Mac users to run their special script that changes permissions for all BOINC executable and data, and disables the normal sandbox security. This is something we at BOINC strongly discourage and do not support.

It is therefore important that you tell the T4T developers that this may be badly messing up your BOINC and other projects. The developers have been working with T4T to set up a way for them to run VirtualBox without changing BOINC's normal permissions and without disabling sandbox security, but this isn't finished yet.

2. BONC 6.13.8 introduced significant changes to the way the Mac BOINC installer sets up the boinc_master and boinc_project user groups, and is still experimental. The developers have received confirmation that it solves the old "You currently are not authorized to manage the client" errors, at least for one user. However, there may still be other issues, and perhaps even may be new issues caused by the installer changes.

Please run the Terminal application (/Applications/Utilities/Terminal) and enter the following 2 commands:
dscl . list /users UniqueID
dscl . list /groups PrimaryGroupID

Then post the outcome of those, or email them to me. I will pass them on to the developer. To copy the results to a file, you can either select the "Export test as..." in Terminal's Shell menu, or copy and paste the text into a text file.

3. Installing an older version of BOINC will _not_ reverse the new installer's changes to the boinc_master and boinc_project user groups. To do that, you must run the Uninstall BOINC application.

4. We might suggest you to suspend T4T, uninstall BOINC, then reinstall an older version. Do not run the LHC@home script and do not run T4T. See if that fixes things. If not, you may also need to reset all projects to get things back to a normal state (the servers should then send you the lost tasks again at those projects that have this feature on; these tasks will start from zero again.)
8809) Message boards : Server programs : Cant install boinc server on ubuntu 11 (Message 40802)
Posted 23 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Might be something gone wrong in the virtual machine. I see you're using Virtual Box, with which of the BOINC VMs? The "12 Feb 2009" or the "25 Feb 2010" version?
8810) Message boards : Questions and problems : Older Account keep coming back (Message 40801)
Posted 23 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
He did, he said so, second line of his post. There's just a space at the end, so the URL isn't made. ;)

@Franco,
What you need to do to get rid of things about your account showing in BOINC Manager, is to delete the BOINC Data directory. That's where BOINC Manager reads the information from that it shows in the Projects and Statistics tabs.

There's no need to run the script to get rid of the BOINC Limited User Accounts, as these don't do anything towards your BOINC project account(s). The information in the registry is merely info for BOINC about the place of the programs and data directory, not about your project accounts.
8811) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40800)
Posted 23 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Progress, of sorts.

In your stderrdae.txt file, there were a couple of lines that showed this:
Permissions error -1202 at /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/slots/1/stderrgfx.txt
Permissions error -1202 at /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/slots/4/stderrgfx.txt
Permissions error -1202 at /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/slots/4/stderrgfx.txt
Permissions error -1202 at /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/slots/3/stderrgfx.txt

When BOINC displays that "Permissions error" message, it will refuse to run (i.e., exit) and displays an alert telling the user to reinstall BOINC.

Now then, what we're trying to find out is which project(s) causes this and what is at that time in the stderrgfx.txt file. So for this, you'll need to run BOINC again, with all the projects that you normally run --probably including T4T-- and wait until BOINC does its crash.

Now before you go reinstall BOINC, please first open stderrdae.txt in your BOINC Data directory and check if at the end of the file there's such a "Permissions error" line. If there is, follow the path to that slot directory and post the contents of the stderrgfx.txt file that's in there. Also post the last line(s) of stderrdae.txt

Think you can do that? :-)
8812) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager, simple view. (Message 40796)
Posted 23 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Mind telling which BOINC version you use?
What if you press CTRL + SHIFT + V simultaneously?
8813) Message boards : Server programs : Cant install boinc server on ubuntu 11 (Message 40794)
Posted 23 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use make_project correctly.
For more help, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/MakeProject;
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/QuickStart
and
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ServerIntro
8814) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40791)
Posted 23 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Leiden Classical:

22 oktober 2011
Due to a disk failure on one of the servers, the database and the replicated copy of it got corrupted. A restore was done from a known working backup of yesterday. Some WUs which were send out in the mean time might have been lost due to this. Currently the project runs on just one of the servers, later this week the second server will be put to action again. Sorry about that!
8815) Message boards : Questions and problems : Aborting tasks because of overdue (Message 40788)
Posted 23 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, BOINC will only abort work that hasn't started yet and that's over the deadline. Are you sure it isn't the project that sends an abort message for that work? You can check that in your messages/event log.

Which project or projects is this for?
8816) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there an 8 gpu limit to Boinc and can It be raised? (Message 40783)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, as that's one type with only twelve of the sixty four possible slots filled.
8817) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there an 8 gpu limit to Boinc and can It be raised? (Message 40781)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The current limits are:

- at most 8 *types* of GPUs (NVIDIA, ATI, etc.)
- at most 64 instances of a given type
8818) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40780)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like Leiden Classical has either database trouble or is under heavy load.

Unable to connect to database - please try again later Error: 2013Lost connection to MySQL server during query
8819) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI@home requires 32 mb disc space you have 0.00 available (Message 40776)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You've probably got your local preferences enabled, which override the web-preferences. Clear them: BOINC Manager->Tools->Computing preferences->Clear.
That way the web-preferences will be used again.

If you still have that problem, check that you're using the right venue for that computer, that you changed the preferences on the right venue and what those values actually are. There's always 3 of them under the Disk and memory options section:

Disk: use at most X GB
Disk: leave free at least
Values smaller than 0.001 are ignored Y GB
Disk: use at most Z% of total
8820) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40770)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti News:
Jeff Cobb wrote:
For the last few months, network routing issues have been interfering with the connectivity of some participants. The actual problem turned out to be a lack of sufficient memory in our router at the PAIX in Palo Alto. Two days ago we increased the memory in that router by a factor of four. This fixed the problem.
8821) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40768)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project is boring. I'm tired of it.

Tell them to go use a VM... ;-)
8822) Message boards : Questions and problems : Application uses too much bandwith. (Message 40766)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The first rule of BOINC is:

Run BOINC only on authorized computers

Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.


The simple solution to this problem is not to use it. We aren't going to tell you to break the rules.
8823) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40761)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.13.8 is really behaving strangely regarding project resource share

Yes, that's known and a fix for that will come in 6.13.9
I have a Seti RAC of 272 on an RS of 50, compared to the other project eligible to fetch work having RSes of 400, 800 and 1000 and them having lower RACs. ;-)

... but I has not crashed or forced me to reinstall, so far...

That's what we were testing for. :)

... I started to write this 2 days ago and forgot to post it, today I started to have many errors with ibercivis (one of the sub-projects I think) and then boinc stopped responding, I closed it and then it wouldn't start again, reinstall, blah blah.

Do you have any error output of that? If so, please post it in this thread. I'll forward the info to the developers.

You can check for error output of the BOINC client (crashes, dumps) in stderrdae.txt in the BOINC Data directory (/Library/Application Support/BOINC Data). If you want, you can email it to me. I sent you my email address in PM.

And please, keep it up. You don't bore me. :)
8824) Message boards : Projects : Milkyway & LHC Projects (Message 40759)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could be a corrupt account_*.xml file.
Could be a corruption on the disk for where these files are written to.
In any case, try a chkdsk with all options on.

I have no problems uploading to LHC 1.0
21/10/2011 21:13:55 | LHC@home 1.0 | [fxd] starting upload, upload_offset -1
21/10/2011 21:13:55 | LHC@home 1.0 | Started upload of wfrank_w5cebbmassimo__1__s__64.31_59.32__8_10__6__40.5_1_sixvf_boinc7981_1_0
21/10/2011 21:13:55 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] URL: http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack_cgi/file_upload_handler
21/10/2011 21:13:57 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] http op done; retval 0 (Success)
21/10/2011 21:13:57 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] parsing upload response: <data_server_reply> <status>0</status> <file_size>0</file_size></data_server_reply>
21/10/2011 21:13:57 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] parsing status: 0
21/10/2011 21:13:57 | LHC@home 1.0 | [fxd] starting upload, upload_offset 0
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] http op done; retval 0 (Success)
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] parsing upload response: <data_server_reply> <status>0</status></data_server_reply>
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] parsing status: 0
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] file transfer status 0 (Success)
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | LHC@home 1.0 | Finished upload of wfrank_w5cebbmassimo__1__s__64.31_59.32__8_10__6__40.5_1_sixvf_boinc7981_1_0
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | LHC@home 1.0 | [file_xfer] Throughput 126314 bytes/sec
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | | [work_fetch] Request work fetch: project finished uploading
21/10/2011 21:13:58 | LHC@home 1.0 | [task] result state=FILES_UPLOADED for wfrank_w5cebbmassimo__1__s__64.31_59.32__8_10__6__40.5_1_sixvf_boinc7981_1 from CS::update_results
8825) Message boards : Questions and problems : (OSX) BOINC suddenly unstable (Message 40754)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All I know is my programs work, my internet works, my ports work, PRPNet works. BOINC doesn't.

Yes, but here's the thing: BOINC, or more like one of the science programs running under it, puts your system under high load. Any little flaw in hardware (RAM, CPU, motherboard, dust-buildup causing overheating) will come to light that way.

What you can test with is a similar program, called Prime95, this will as well put your hardware under extreme load. If this manages to run unhampered for 24 hours, we can talk again.
If on the other hand you get a similar error...

Since it's a notebook, do you use a notebook cooler or any other extra method of cooling this thing? Laptops/notebooks get notoriously hot if they just do anything.
8826) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Is there a way to hide Boinc Manager in the Dock? (Message 40751)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The syntax would be:

<key>NSUIElement</key>
<string>1</string>
8827) Message boards : Questions and problems : (OSX) BOINC suddenly unstable (Message 40750)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you considered it isn't the fault of BOINC? It may be hardware that's broken.
8828) Message boards : Questions and problems : (OSX) BOINC suddenly unstable (Message 40745)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, I don't have encouraging news. :-(

Charlie Fenton wrote:
Sorry, I have no idea what could be causing his crash. All I know is it seems to be a problem putting the BOINC icon menu in the menu bar.

I assume he tried the standard things:
* Running the Uninstall BOINC application before reinstalling BOINC
* Restarting his system.

That's all I can think of right now.
8829) Message boards : Questions and problems : Updated to x64 W7 and can't remove 32 bit W7 (Message 40743)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please uninstall BOINC through Control Panel->Uninstall a program.
That will delete the program files only.

It's probably uninstalled the 64bit version now, from C:\Program Files\BOINC\ and left the 32bit version in C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ intact. So delete this directory. Then reinstall the 64bit BOINC. This will reinstall itself in C:\Program Files\BOINC\

That the program directories changed is a Windows thing. By default, Windows 7 and Vista will try to install 32bit programs to the \Program Files (x86)\ directory and 64bit programs to the \Program Files\ directory. 64bit programs cannot be installed in and run from the 32bit directory, but I think 32bit programs can be installed in and run from the 64bit programs directory. Windows security, etc.

Normally when the BOINC installers starts, it'll read from the registry where the BOINC programs directory is housed and it will try delete the old program files from the programs directory and try to install the new BOINC program files to that same directory. It's very well possible that the 64bit installer does not have permission to delete files from a 32bit directory, or that, since it's a 64bit installer, it will forgo the check in the registry and install to the 64bit directory automatically, without deleting the old program files. I'll ask the developer when I next talk to him.

It's not possible to run BOINC twice, although it is possible to run BOINC Manager twice. You're probably seeing that.
8830) Message boards : Questions and problems : (OSX) BOINC suddenly unstable (Message 40733)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I filled in "Cannot lock focus on image, because it is size zero" into Google and see that it's a quite common problem for Macs, with all kinds of programs. But they don't come with one solution only.
8831) Message boards : Questions and problems : (OSX) BOINC suddenly unstable (Message 40730)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could try to run with BOINC 6.12.41; in the mean time I have forwarded your problem to the developer for the Mac.

boinc_6.12.41_universal-apple-darwin.zip
boinc_6.12.41_macOSX_universal.zip
boinc_6.12.41_macOSX_SymbolTables.zip
8832) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 40723)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
On 18 October 2011 the CPDN project server was attacked.

We have had to respond by taking the project offline.

I will provide more info as I have it, but I will be devoting my time to fixing the issues and determining the extent of the problem.

Jonathan
8833) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver fail on windows 7 home 64-bit using 6.12.34 (x64) client (Message 40721)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why not add them then? Yes, it's a bug that the Windows installer does not seem possible to add these user groups correctly on Windows Home and Basic versions (these OSes miss the group policy editor).
8834) Message boards : Questions and problems : libssl on 6.12 builds mageia (Message 40713)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That sticky thread and all those yelled warnings in the change log thread not enough of a clue? ;-)
8835) Message boards : Questions and problems : libssl on 6.12 builds mageia (Message 40711)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developer about this (I don't build them either), he said this is fixed in 6.13.8 and it'll be back-ported to a new 6.12 coming to a place near you very soon. ;-)
8836) Message boards : Questions and problems : T4T waiting for GPU-memory (Message 40708)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
A fix for this is included in BOINC 6.12.38 and thus in the latest available rather stable beta version 6.12.41

6.12.41 for 32bit Windows
6.12.41 for 64bit Windows

Change log is at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5883#40322 and further down.
8837) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40690)
Posted 17 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers still haven't come back to me on this, other than that they suspect it to be some permissions problem between BOINC and T4T, but that was something you'd figured out already. ;-)

I'll keep pushing.
In the mean time, can you try to run BOINC 6.13.8, from here, to see if that fixes your instability problems a bit? This is a fully new BOINC version with a lot of bugs of its own, do heed the warnings in the change log (make a back up of your BOINC Data directory). But 6.13.8 is more stable than previous versions were, we're just trying to get it to crash again. :-)
8838) Message boards : Questions and problems : can I change the date format in my event log ? (Message 40687)
Posted 15 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The time and date as shown follows the computer clock on your system, so you'd have to change that to UTC before the event log follows that.
8839) Message boards : Questions and problems : not possible to add projects?? (Message 40685)
Posted 15 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why is it not possible?
What error do you get? (Ah you did an edit... well so did I now)
What are you trying to do exactly (which steps do you take)?

Did you install both the client and the manager?
Are both the client and the manager running when you try to add a project?
Which version of BOINC did you install, and did you do so through the repository or from the Berkeley web site?
Did you allow BOINC through your firewall (software)? The BOINC binary needs access through port 80, 443 and 31416, while BOINC Manager needs access through port 31416.
8840) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINCMgr Column order changed on version upgrade. (Message 40669)
Posted 13 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I remember when we used to crunch science applications for science.

In that case, it doesn't matter what order any columns are in. ;-)
8841) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINCMgr Column order changed on version upgrade. (Message 40664)
Posted 13 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 7 will sport user-adjustable columns. Plus a whole new GUI.
8842) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINCMgr Column order changed on version upgrade. (Message 40661)
Posted 13 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Either you use an older BOINC Manager on a newer client (needs boinc.dll as well), or you use a third party manager (choice enough), or you get used to it.
8843) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40646)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.8 available for testing for Linux, Windows and Macintosh.

WARNING


The new BOINC 6.13 range is using completely new, from the ground up rewritten code for many of its parts. It is not to be used if you are not an alpha tester. It is not to be used on all of your machines, just on one. When it doesn't work, report your problems to the developers and return to the latest 6.12.recommended.

At this time we're specifically testing whether or not the new CPU/GPU scheduling code works without using debt, and if projects will fetch work.

This is not a version that you install and walk away from, it needs constant checking, including the use of all the correct client configuration flags. Make sure your log files are of sufficient size so you can log through the night.

Minimum required flags to report with are <cpu_sched_debug>, <rr_simulation>, <sched_op_debug>, <work_fetch_debug>

Do not run experimental versions of BOINC on live projects, unless you also subscribe to the associated BOINC Alpha email list, and have time to read and act upon any recall or hotfix notices for builds which turn out to be buggy.

Remember, these early 6.13s are not for prolonged use if you aren't going to send regular logs back to the developer. These versions will only annoy the heck out of you, since they will do work fetch completely different from what you have come to expect of BOINC. Just don't use it if you're not serious about it!

INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING UPON RETURNING TO PREVIOUS BOINC VERSIONS: 6.13.3 or later.
When you upgrade to this build from any 6.12 or previous versions, or from 6.13.0 or 6.13.1, then do know that here will be some changes to the client_state.xml file which will make it incompatible with older client software. We strongly suggest making a backup copy of the data directory before upgrading to the new build just in case something happens and you need to roll-back to an earlier build of BOINC. To clarify, when you upgrade to 6.13.3 or later, everything should work normally; work in progress will continue to run. When you downgrade from 6.13.3 or later to an earlier version, work in progress will disappear. You'll still be attached to all your projects. The client will fetch work from them; sometimes it will be re-issueing the previous work, but only if the project has 'resend lost work' on, and will start this from the beginning.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.
- Due to the OpenCL detection, your screen may flicker or turn off temporarily. This is normal.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log --> 6.13.7:

  • client: fix spurious error message about trickle-up URLs.
  • client: don't call CLIENT_STATE::free_mem() on shutdown. This is for debugging only, and it can cause crashes.
  • Mac: fixes for problems with OS 10.4 compatibility.
  • Mac: more fixes for problems with OS 10.4 compatibility.
  • Mac: update wxMac build script for XCode 4.1 and OS 10.4 compatibility.
  • client: Fix compile break on Mac.
  • lib: only build the static version of libboinc.
  • Updates Linux notifications to use current libnotify.
  • Fix build problems on Mac OS X using autotools.
  • Consistently use #if HAVE_X for platform checks, rather than #ifdef HAVE_X or #if defined(HAVE_X)
  • In Unix build, make lots of compiler checks standard.
  • Fix some compile warnings. From Matt Arsenault.
    -- Note: there are now lots of compile warnings in clientgui/ on Unix, mostly in WxWidgets code.
  • client: Fix compile break on Mac.
  • client: Fix compiler warnings on Mac.
  • manager: fix build break on Linux Undoes part of yesterday's checkin.
  • more changes from #ifdef HAVE_X to #if HAVE_X.
  • WINSETUP: Add more logging to the create group and add user to group functions in an attempt to figure out what is going on with Windows 8.
  • client: fix a bug reported by Jacob Klein, where work fetch didn't work right in the presence of multiple GPUs and <exclude_gpu> config options.
    For example, suppose:

    -->
    you have 2 GPUs and 2 projects.
    Project A is excluded from GPU 1.
    you have lots of jobs for project A .

    Then the client won't try to fetch jobs from project B.

    The problem had 2 parts:
    a) round-robin simulation wasn't taking GPU exclusions into account.
    In the above example, it would think that both GPUs had jobs. I fixed this by computing the # of GPUs from each project is excluded, and using this in the RR simulation.

    b) Once this was done, I needed to make the client request GPU jobs from project B rather than project A.
    I did this with following policy: If a project has excluded GPUs of a given type, and has a runnable job of that type, don't ask it for more work of that type.

    Notes:
    the policy in b) is crude, and it means that work-buffer preferences are ignored in some cases.
    neither a) nor b) takes into account app-level exclusions. I could fix both of these with a lot of work, but I'd rather move to a model in which dissimilar GPUs are modeled as different resources, which would remove the need for the <exclude_gpu> mechanism in the first place.

  • client: specify the project in "Some tasks need more memory than allowed by your preferences" messages.
  • client: fix bug that could cause GPU idleness in the presence of GPU exclusions. The problem was in the job-selection phase, which picks enough jobs to use all devices.
    It was ignoring GPU exclusions, so for example on a 2 GPU system it could pick 2 jobs from a project for which 1 GPU is excluded, and as a result 1 GPU would be idle.

    Solution: during job selection, keep track of GPU usage on a per-instance basis. Select a job only if it can run on a non-excluded GPU.

  • client: in computing ncprocs_excluded (which is used in work fetch policy) don't count exclusions of non-existent devices.
  • client: compute project scheduling priority more efficiently.
  • client: if an app version can't be used because the GPUs it needs are all excluded, mark it and all its results as "coproc missing" so that they won't be looked at in scheduling logic.
  • client: Fix compiler warnings.
  • lib: move XML parse test program to its own file.
    Note: XML_PARSER::parse_str() doesn't currently work right for something like <foo><a>xx</a></foo>. It should return "<a>xx</a>". TODO.
  • client: don't generate notice if lookup of host in remote_hosts.cfg fails.
  • client: don't show "(device N)" if there's only 1 device.
  • client: win compile fixes.
  • WINSCR: Before shutting down the screensaver, quickly reinitialize the OpenGL device on the primary display. Some of the issues being reported with the screensaver is a left over ghost image of the OpenGL display before the graphics application was terminated because keyboard/mouse activity was detected.
  • client: in the function that sorts jobs by arrival time, don't use name as a tiebreaker. That will typically group jobs of the same application, and (it is believed that) things run faster when applications are mixed.
  • client: fix a memory leak; would lose ~120 bytes each time a job is started.
  • lib: Re-enable boinc lib mem snapshots for BOINC based applications (boinc, boincmgr, boinc.scr) on Windows.
  • client: fix memory leak when reading stderr of completed job. This caused 128KB + size of stderr loss for each job.
  • client: print error message if reading stderr fails (e.g. because of malloc failure).
  • client: free vectors in NOTICES, RSS_FEEDS, and DAILY_XFER_HISTORY in free_mem() (for mem leak checking).
  • client, problem: suppose a project has 2 data servers, and one of them is down. If several downloads from the broken one fail, we go into "project-level backoff" and don't start downloads from either server. (Same applies to uploads).

    Solution: make project-level backoff apply only to transfers that have already failed at least once.
  • GUI RPC: add get_daily_xfer_history() RPC for getting the daily records of #bytes uploaded and downloaded.
  • client: fix bug in writing daily xfer history file.
  • client: write descriptions of OpenCL devices to stdout; work around a bug where OpenCL reports global RAM of ATI GPUs incorrectly.
  • client/server: change field names in OPENCL_DEVICE_PROP to match those in the clGetDeviceInfo() calls.
    Principles:

    --> if there's already a name for something, use it.
    --> follow case conventions .

  • client and scheduler: estimate peak FLOPS for GPUs that are detected by OpenCL but not by native APIs (CUDA/CAL). This is limited by the fact that OpenCL doesn't give us the necessary hardware info (ATI; wavefrontSize; NVIDIA: compute capability). We use the minimum values for these, so in most cases we'll be underestimating the peak FLOPS.
  • client (Mac): there was no error check of the creation of a memory-mapped file used for communication with an app. Add a check, and don't start the job if it fails.
  • client: don't do scheduler-requested RPCs if:
    --> project is set to No New Work, and
    --> project has no jobs on the client.

  • client/scheduler: the code for estimating peak FLOPS of ATI GPUs (from Crunch3r) has a multiplier of 2.5 for cores/processor. This is possibly because give a double-precision estimate. But actually we want single-precision. Change it to 5. See http://golubev.com/about_cpu_and_gpu_2_en.htm.
  • client: improve code which writes OpenCL descriptions.
  • client: Compare openCL-only devices by estimated peak flops.
  • client: compare OpenCL-only devices the same as other devices.
  • code cleanup.
  • client: Fix crashing bug in OpenCL detection on Windows.
  • lib: Fix crashing bug for debug builds of the BOINC client.
  • Mac installer: start boinc users & groups at ID 501, find human users via Directory Services, use LoginItemAPI.c

Change Log --> 6.13.8


  • client/server: add a new result state RESULT_UPLOAD_FAILED for when the job completed successfully but one or more output files had permanent upload failures. Show this state in web interfaces.
  • client and user web: show NVIDIA driver version and CUDA version as, e.g., 275.33 instead of 27533.
  • vbox: Move the destination of the VBOX_USER_HOME environment variable to <boinc_data_dir>/projects/virtualbox so that the virtualbox configuration can remain consistent across one or more projects.
  • client: fix NVIDIA driver version and CUDA version display for Mac.

8844) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can I change an already installed BOINC to a Daemon in Ubuntu? (Message 40636)
Posted 11 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may want to read http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Starting_BOINC_on_boot_%28Unix%29. Do know that by installing as a daemon, you will not be able to use the GPU to do work with, nor will you be able to run projects that use VirtualBox (such as Test4Theory) at this time.
8845) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40632)
Posted 11 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That disclaimer was necessary as a lot of people would use Alpha versions as if they were recommended versions, and complain loudly if their new client crashed and took all their work with it.

But these 6.12s are at end-of-test-life. Any day now and they'll become recommended. As long as the developers do not receive many complaints or other weird bugs about them, that is. ;-)
8846) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 40630)
Posted 11 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd rather that they update their (back-end) server software and wrapper application, as they promised they'd do when Daniel was back, since these will fix a bucket load of bugs.

Of course, they won't be using the wrapper applications that are available. No, they will want to build their own and test those internally first, before throwing them out onto our plates. This will mean though that a lot of the bugs that are there at this time, will still be there when they release their new wrapper app, since the project will not have all code-fixes included in their new wrapper.

One wonders why the BOINC devs spend time on adding code-fixes when these won't be used anyway by the only project that's using the virtual machine software at this time. ;-)
8847) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 40629)
Posted 11 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What about rethink BOINC so that the entire subsystem runs as a virtual machine?

Other than plenty of other problems, here's one that will be shot down by plenty of people out there already:
You won't be able to run any work on GPUs or (other) co-processors in the VM. The VM program emulates what hardware to use, which in the case of VirtualBox and the videocard is an S3 Trio32/64 with a maximum of 128MB RAM. Then it doesn't matter if you have one or more GTX570 GPUs in your system, the VM won't use it/them to do science with.

The VM program can use the GPU, but that's probably not what people mean. Then the VM would run on the GPU(s), not run the science programs in the VM on the GPU(s).

Using a VM is still in its infancy in BOINC. There's no real support for it yet in the present recommended release versions. Testing is underway in the latest alpha, but the one project running with VMs hasn't updated to the latest thrills and frills yet, so testing of the client goes slow.

Still, plans are afoot to integrate a VM application such as Virtual Box into BOINC. This is something for the future though. Will be continued.
8848) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40628)
Posted 11 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
A fix is available in BOINC 6.12.41. See change log.
You can get 6.12.41 from here.
8849) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 40624)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.41 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Change Log 6.12.40

  • client: fix a memory leak; would lose ~120 bytes each time a job is started.
  • client: fix memory leak when reading stderr of completed job. This caused 128KB + size of stderr loss for each job.
  • client: print error message if reading stderr fails (e.g. because of malloc failure).


Change Log 6.12.41


  • client (Mac): there was no error check of the creation of a memory-mapped file used for communication with an app. Add a check, and don't start the job if it fails.

8850) Message boards : BOINC client : Client task scheduling (Message 40613)
Posted 9 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uploading is just moving data from your hard drive to a hard drive on the server.
Reporting accesses the database, whereby it must be noted that when you report one task that it takes as much overhead on the database server as when you report ten tasks or one hundred tasks. So projects and BOINC prefer it if you report tasks in bunches, to keep things nice and tidy.

The RRI option is there to allow reports to be done immediately on projects like WCG which make daily backups of their data. That way you have a good chance that your reported tasks were in before the backup.

Other projects don't like RRI that much. Einstein and CPDN have been reported as disliking RRI, whereby you can lose data.

So use at your own discretion.
8851) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40609)
Posted 8 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The 11.10 Catalysts have not fixed this yet.
The special Rage Performance drivers won't fix this either.

Tested with both with BOINC 6.12.37 and service installation.
8852) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40589)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's caused by the GUI_RPC.
Changeset [trac]changeset:24176[/trac] writes:
client, GUI RPC, Manager:
in GUI RPC, change RESULT.gpu_mem_wait to scheduler_wait. It means that the app did a boinc_temporary_exit(), and is waiting to be rescheduled. GPU mem wait is one source of this, not the only one.


As was seen in the log on the Seti forums, the task suspends and unsuspends very rapidly. This rapid cycle causes BOINC to temporarily exit the science application. Since the code up to that point said that this only happens when the GPU is out of memory, the error of "GPU waiting for memory" was shown.

The fix adds other causes to the case.
8853) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40586)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have been informed that a fix for this problem has been around since the middle of September, but that this one wasn't back-ported into the 6.12 range. It's been put on the to do list and will be included in a next 6.12; release date as yet unknown.
8854) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40580)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
A big quiet has thundered in here... so luckily another person manages to reproduce the error quite easily on his Mac. We're keeping an eye on him, here. :)
8855) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows Server 2008r2 (Message 40579)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Release_Notes#BOINC_6_incompatible_with_Domain_Controllers
8856) Message boards : Questions and problems : Power Edge Server set up (Message 40566)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That depends on what you run, which projects are attached to that server?
8857) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC-wide team... (Message 40554)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The team on BOINC Wide teams is seeded to projects. Projects aren't sending back information to this site, they can only take the information and set up your team that way on their site.

So you won't see anyone else but you be a member of the team on BWT, since you're the only one on it on this one site. But when Seti has picked it up, for instance, people are able to join.

For what happens to their credit, see http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Credit#Credit_And_Teams.
8858) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40547)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sanity check. Did you check with "show processes of all users" (if you have that choice), to see if the science apps weren't running under another account not called Jerome?
8859) Message boards : Questions and problems : Most project tasks don't finish (Message 40545)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you run Folding at the same time as BOINC? If so, both on more than one CPU?
Which projects have work to run under BOINC? What are your caching settings?
8860) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a record of BOINC transfers? (Message 40540)
Posted 4 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or do it easier:
Take value of <when/>, multiply with 86400 (24 hours in seconds), copy the outcome into clipboard, then go to a Unix time converter like http://www.onlineconversion.com/unix_time.htm or http://krijnen.com/time.php, paste the value and hit submit.

That way you don't have to figure out on the how manieth day you are since January 1st. ;)

By the way, the developers have put this on their to do list. But it's too big to just do in a jiffy, so it'll be something that they're doing for the next all new BOINC Manager (GUI).
8861) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a record of BOINC transfers? (Message 40536)
Posted 4 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah good catch. That one came with the first BOINC which could do the bandwidth throttling in preferences. But as it is, the file is a bit useless as it doesn't show how much for exactly when. I mean, even I can only go guess as to what the number in <when></when> means. It's not a Unix time notation.

The up and down values are definitely bytes.

I was already asking the developers to use the value for the bandwidth throttling, as it must keep it someplace for when you decide to use the preference. And then just show it some place in BOINC Manager. We'll see.
8862) Message boards : Promotion : Namespace collision (Message 40533)
Posted 4 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I foresee the manure hitting the spinning object.
http://www.boinc.com/legal/ says:
13. TRADEMARK INFORMATION

Boinc™ and other marks and logos of Beyond used in connection with the Website (“the Beyond Marks”) are trademarks or registered trademarks of Beyond Oblivion Inc. in the United States and other jurisdictions. You may not use or display in any manner the Beyond Marks without Beyond’s prior written permission.

They trademarked Boinc! Or at least, as far as I can read that legal stuff, on their logos and marks.

Anyway, forwarded that to David.
8863) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is there a record of BOINC transfers? (Message 40531)
Posted 4 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, at this moment there is no record of how much bandwidth BOINC uses up.
There is one for the Virtual Box wrapper application (in 6.12.37 and above), but that one can only be tested when the one project that uses the VBox wrapper app will update their back-end software. This then only measures network usage in the Vbox wrapper app though, not how much other non-Vbox apps use.
8864) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 40527)
Posted 3 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.39 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Change Log 6.12.39

  • client: with VBox on Win, the process graph sometimes has cycles. Not sure where this comes from. But avoid infinite recursion when traversing descendants.

8865) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40523)
Posted 2 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, that's interesting. BOINCStats logged me off and I can't log back in anymore, not even with the temporary password that I requested through email. Then again, now it looks like the whole of BOINCStats went down. Oh well. I'll have to check my birthday date later then, as it gave me congrats through email 24 hours too late.

Edit: having typed all that, it's back and I can log in again. Ish.
8866) Message boards : Server programs : BOINC scheduling feature I'd like to see (Message 40516)
Posted 2 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will do all work before the deadline, so you can only "hold back work" by suspending that work or suspending the project. The Einstein project being the backup project will fill the cache only when Seti is out of work, and because Einstein has a zero resource share, all work for it will be done immediately and in high priority. Even when Seti has work again, the Einstein work will be done first, because of the zero resource share.
8867) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.33 released to public (Message 40515)
Posted 2 Oct 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the latest version is 6.12.38, but that's being tested internally by a few of us to see if it can stand the test of time. I expect it to make default somewhere this week.
8868) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks alternative BOINC manager (Message 40496)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I managed to make a VM of Windows XP, updated it fully and installed BOINC on it. It's now running Primegrid.
However, since I only told the VM to use one CPU, Windows is also only using one CPU. I will have to reinstall Windows, but now I know how to do all that, I'll make screen shots and a FAQ. :-)

In the mean time...
This machine runs the VM that runs this machine. :-)

Anyway, enough disturbing Fred's thread. I'll write my how-to elsewhere in the forums. @Fred, you're nearing 250 posts in this thread, how about making a new thread? :-)
8869) Message boards : Documentation : BOINC advanced view page needs minor update (Message 40495)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Done.
8870) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks alternative BOINC manager (Message 40463)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apologies accepted. Very sporty of you. :-)
Never believe anything you read on the interweb... ah well, but for when it comes from me, of course. ;-)
And I don't have the resources to go out and buy the software, even If I knew where to look and yes I can Google It.

Check out Virtual Box, being developed by Oracle. It's free.

I must say I haven't tested that myself that much yet (my tests normally end in error), but one of these days when I have more time I promise I will look into it, see how to do that and write about it in a thread around here (and probably a FAQ).

I know that the present --allow_multiple_clients thing is a kludge, I ran with it for a couple of days as a test for Charlie, before he didn't have any further time. Running the clients wasn't so much a problem, but running the individual Managers was for me.
8871) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks alternative BOINC manager (Message 40461)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
..but so far the Boinc Devs haven't wanted to do squat on this subject.

That's not too fair. Has it occurred to you that they may just don't have the time to work on this?

They're busy with programming the new BOINC with a whole new scheduler rebuilt from the ground up;
they're busy adding Virtual Box compliancy into BOINC;
they're busy preparing for adding Virtual Box into BOINC;
they're busy with adding all the new documentation to Trac/the Wiki;
they added the <exclude_gpu> element to cc_config.xml, although this is only added in the highly buggy 6.13s;

And that's only part of what they're doing. All 3 of them.
At times they drop everything to go squash a bug that anyone from in the field has found that requires a new BOINC 6.12 to be released for all platforms. So it's not really fair of you to say they 'haven't wanted to do squat' on the subject of running two clients on the same hardware. Besides... if you truly want it, you can always run one of them in VM. That option has been added.
8872) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40457)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That can't be. You must be all mistaken. It must be a figment of your imagination, since I just read over at Seti that someone said it's ever so rarely down.

1. Why does SETI have reliability issues whereas other projects like Milkyway are rarely down. Is it equipment issue or a personnel(s) issue?


Downforeveryoneorjustme reports it as down. It must be mistaken as well.

:P
8873) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40453)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
so I added the debug flags you mention, I'm gonna have a hell of a log file now !!! (especially because of the checkpoints, I can see T4T and primaboinc are doinc one almost every second !!!)

In case you worry about the log not enduring the night, you can increase the size of stdoutdae.txt by adding the following line to cc_config.xml, in the <options> section. I'll write the cc_config.xml file lines, as if..

<cc_config>
<options> 
<max_stdout_file_size>12000000</max_stdout_file_size>
</options> 
</cc_config>

This will make stdoutdae.txt 12,000,000 bytes big (or just under 12MB). You can fill in any value, of course. Size is in bytes. Default is 2097152 (2MB). (Thanks Richard for teaching me math. :-))

Don't forget to do the re-read of the config file after adding the line to the <options> section. :-)

And thanks for testing. Fingers crossed you crash again. :-)
8874) Message boards : Questions and problems : HTTP error 0 with World Community Grid and BOINC 6.12.34 (Message 40451)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can anyone who ran into this problem with 6.12.34 test if 6.12.38 is still doing it? Available for Linux, Windows and Mac at this download list.
8875) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40450)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That must have been a coincidence, since the "On multiprocessors, use at most 4 processors" preference is obsolete.

Actually, it isn't obsolete. It's still being used by BOINC 6. That preference sets the minimum amount of processors to use, while the Percentage preference will set the limit.

So if your global_prefs.xml file contains <max_ncpus>2</max_ncpus> and your global_prefs_override.xml file contains <max_ncpus_pct>0.000000</max_ncpus_pct>, BOINC will still use 2 CPUs.

8876) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40449)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you email me the file, please? I've sent you my email address in PM.
CPDN does take up quite a bit of memory. I have noticed at times when heavy memory using applications start up or stop, that BOINC Manager loses the connection with the client (the blanking of the tabs). But usually afterwards, when all's loaded in memory, that fixes itself. That was probably causing your Projects tab going blank.

Similarly, 4 or 8 CPDN tasks being loaded in memory can take up quite a bit of memory. When you then switch to Seti, the CPDN tasks need to be unloaded from memory first before Seti can take up that memory space. With slow(er) memory this can take a while. heck, even with DDR3 it can take multiple tens of seconds before a 1GB file is unloaded from memory.

And if you were already low on memory and possibly swapping out to virtual memory (on disk), plus now switching to Seti (depending on what you run there, Multibeam or Astropulse), one application trying to unload from memory, another trying to load into memory at the same time... I can see how that cause memory restraints, even on 16GB.

I do know that in older BOINC versions there's a bug where when the application does not have enough memory to live in, that it shows the "Waiting for GPU memory" error. That one was fixed... in 6.13. ;-)
Charlie will back-port it to the next 6.12, but since it's not a showstopper bug, this can take a while. And besides, all the developers would like to know exactly what causes the bug. Meet Jimmy G: 'Guinea pig extraordinare'. :-)
8877) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why is the Messages tab removed? (Message 40445)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It must be a very special Linux Ubuntu, stock 11.04 OS that is the problem then...

I wouldn't be surprised. From Download All, bottom of the page:
Linux info

The current release is known to work with these Linux versions:

Ubuntu 10.04+

Yep, this means that any weird things you see on any other version of Linux, including the newer Ubuntu versions, can be a thing of those Linux versions.

By the way, I did forward your plight to Rom. But in the mean time, I told you what I see in Windows. Where it works without problems.
8878) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40444)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
though the strange thing is I'm not 100% it's because of T4T that this is happening, you can see in the log above that boinc was in the middle of a Leiden Classical download when the error happened...

Or that's the only thing you see. It may well be that T4T tried to start up but fell flat on the 'wrong' ownership and took your BOINC out with it.

The most difficult thing when trying to reproduce the problem is to get the exact same circumstances to happen. You can only try. ;-)

So why not test running without T4T for a while, where that while is any time you decide for yourself. Then run with T4T for a same amount of time. See if anything triggers the problem to return. What you can do is add some debug flags that add some information about things now happening silently.

I suggest using the following cc_config.xml file in your BOINC Data directory:
<cc_config>
<log_flags> 
<checkpoint_debug>1</checkpoint_debug>
<cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
<sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Save with a clear text editor as ANSI formatted file (NOT as Word 2003 XML file! This adds stuff to the file that makes it illegible for BOINC. BOINC its XML is at this point still specially designed for BOINC only. It's not real XML.), make sure it has only got the .xml extension. If it also got a .txt extension, rename the file so it is called cc_config.xml exactly. Save it to your BOINC Data directory, which according to your own start-up messages is at /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/

When saved, open BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file. That'll start the flags. You'll see a lot of extra information in your event log now.

Let's hope this catches your crash in the act. :-)
8879) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why is the Messages tab removed? (Message 40437)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When the BOINC Manager (BM) is open and the Event Log (EL) too, there's no way to alt-tab back or click on the BM window to get it on top.

I can switch between BOINC Manager and the Event Log window with ALT+TAB. No problem here.

Now the second not so likable part: Minimize the BM window and the EL stays on screen, no way to minimize.

I can minimize the Event Log window first and then minimize the BOINC Manager window.
I can minimize the BOINC Manager window first and then minimize the Event Log window.

Windows 7 - 64bit
BOINC 6.12.38
8880) Message boards : BOINC client : Client task scheduling (Message 40433)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll answer that with a quote of how John McLeod VII over at Seti explained how BOINC follows the FIFO track at all times that it can:

The BOINC CPU scheduler can be in either of two modes at any given time for each processor independently (OK, this slide over multi CPU tasks a bit, it is covered in the code though).

At each task start or task switch opportunity the CPU scheduler estimates the completion times of all tasks in the system, and compares that to 90% of the time from now to the computation completion deadline (which is earlier than the report deadline that shows in the UI - more on that in a bit). If the estimated completion time is >= 90% of the computation deadline, then that task is marked as requiring high priority.

For each high priority task in deadline order from earliest to latest, assign the task to a CPU (or GPU as the case may be) until either the supply of CPUs (or GPUs) is exhausted or all of the high priority tasks are assigned to a CPU (or GPU).

For the remaining CPUs and GPUs, assign tasks in Round Robin order by project and FIFO within each project.

The two different operational modes do several things:

1) Meet all deadlines if it is at all possible to do so.
2) Ensures that long running tasks with distant deadlines are not starved.
3) Cycles through the different projects in what is hopefully an interesting order.

The computation deadline is the report deadline - (task switch interval + Connect Every X days + possibly 1 day (version dependent, removed in later versions)). This ensures that the task should be completed early enough to be updated and reported during a connection that falls between the completion of the task and the report date.

The estimation takes into account factors such as fraction of the time BOINC gets to do computation, and resource shares of all projects with tasks on the computer among other things. Which leads to the non-obvious outcome that low resource projects that actually get to download work typically get a lot of high priority CPU time to complete by deadline.


8881) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40427)
Posted 28 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I did get an answer from the developers. They know about this script and they share my concerns about the security of that script. However, they've also got a solution for the problem, which will be installed on the T4T project in October, when Daniel is back from honeymoon.

This fix requires that the project installs the newer server software and uses the latest vboxwrapper application. A big change that they don't want to do while Daniel is away.

Now then, this doesn't fix your immediate problem. And I'm not sure how come that the script breaks your BOINC. You may, just for the moment, put this project on NNT, or detach from it. Then wait for T4T to make the necessary changes, before continuing to test for them, with the newer wrapper etc.
8882) Message boards : GPUs : Optimization tips for new Amazon EC2 Windows 2008 w/ dual nVidia Tesla? (Message 40425)
Posted 28 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I think you'll find that Windows 2008 Server isn't supported in Nvidia's drivers, only Windows 2003 Server x64 is, which aren't necessarily compatible with the version you run. As such, the drivers that come with Windows do not contain the CUDA code (nor OpenGL, nor OpenCL), so you can't use those. You'll always need the drivers from the GPU manufacturer and they don't have 'em.
8883) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc breaking down / reinstall needed (Message 40424)
Posted 28 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you sure it's T4T doing this changing of user account/permissions, not that you installed BOINC as a daemon first and didn't do so on an upgrade?

I mean, only when BOINC is installed as or runs as daemon, does it use the boinc_master/boinc_project accounts. When you run it as is, it runs under your own account. Even a BOINC that is installed as a daemon can be run as normal (not daemon), when you just start up the client first and the BOINC Manager second, or not start BOINC with the --daemon attribute.

By the way, it's not possible to run T4T as a daemon under any of the platforms, as that'll fail all tasks running in the virtual machine due to permission problems.

Edit: Oh, I found the old thread. It looks like you're telling the truth. I'm playing this through the developers.
8884) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40418)
Posted 28 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC writes the log to a file in the data directory, this happens automatically. That file's called stdoutdae.txt and has a maximum size of 2 megabyte. When it grows to beyond that size, BOINC renames stdoutdae.txt to stdoutdae.old, overwriting any such file that had the name before, and then starts a new stdoutdae.txt from fresh.

BOINC Manager can store a lot of these lines, I'm not sure anymore these days how many, somewhere between a 900 and 5,000 at least.

You don't want to stop & restart every so often, as that resets the science apps as well. We're trying to reproduce the problem you ran into, which won't happen if you reset BOINC's status every day.
8885) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40415)
Posted 28 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.6 available for testing for Linux, Macintosh and Windows.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I've uploaded the Mac builds of BOINC 6.13.6 to the download all page for testing.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new build to test, I've included a summary of all the builds since 6.13.1 for those who didn't test drive newer builds. Remember to make a backup copy of your data directory before installing the new build just in case you need to roll back to an older build.

This build should have the fixes needed to upload work to all BOINC projects who have their upload certificate generation turned off.

Please focus your testing efforts on the CPU/GPU scheduler and Simple GUI.

Report bugs here and test results too http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


WARNING

The new BOINC 6.13 range is using completely new, from the ground up rewritten code for many of its parts. It is not to be used if you are not an alpha tester. It is not to be used on all of your machines, just on one. When it doesn't work, report your problems to the developers and return to the latest 6.12.recommended.

At this time we're specifically testing whether or not the new CPU/GPU scheduling code works without using debt, and if projects will fetch work.

This is not a version that you install and walk away from, it needs constant checking, including the use of all the correct client configuration flags. Make sure your log files are of sufficient size so you can log through the night.

Minimum required flags to report with are <cpu_sched_debug>, <rr_simulation>, <sched_op_debug>, <work_fetch_debug>

Do not run experimental versions of BOINC on live projects, unless you also subscribe to the associated BOINC Alpha email list, and have time to read and act upon any recall or hotfix notices for builds which turn out to be buggy.

Remember, these early 6.13s are not for prolonged use if you aren't going to send regular logs back to the developer. These versions will only annoy the heck out of you, since they will do work fetch completely different from what you have come to expect of BOINC. Just don't use it if you're not serious about it!


INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING UPON RETURNING TO PREVIOUS BOINC VERSIONS: 6.13.3 or later.
When you upgrade to this build from any 6.12 or previous versions, or from 6.13.0 or 6.13.1, then do know that here will be some changes to the client_state.xml file which will make it incompatible with older client software. We strongly suggest making a backup copy of the data directory before upgrading to the new build just in case something happens and you need to roll-back to an earlier build of BOINC. To clarify, when you upgrade to 6.13.3 or later, everything should work normally; work in progress will continue to run. When you downgrade from 6.13.3 or later to an earlier version, work in progress will disappear. You'll still be attached to all your projects. The client will fetch work from them; sometimes it will be re-issueing the previous work, but only if the project has 'resend lost work' on, and will start this from the beginning.



Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log -> 6.13.5:

  • client: in handling the acct_mgr GUI RPC, don't start the RPC directly; that might fail if CLIENT_STATE::gui_http is busy. Instead, set a timer field.
  • client: structure ACCT_MGR_OP the same as other GUI_HTTP_OP variants.
  • client: clarify the comments on GUI_HTTP and GUI_HTTP_OP.
    Note: GUI_HTTP and GUI_HTTP_OP are misnomers; they refer to any HTTP op other than scheduler requests and file transfers. Should change the name, maybe to CLIENT_HTTP*
  • client: intermediate checkin for replicated trickle-ups. Not finished yet.
  • client: fix bug in ATI GPU detection, caused zero RAM measurements.
  • client: fix ATI GPU max mem display issue.
  • client: more stuff for replicated trickle ups.
  • client: more work on replicated trickles. Not working yet.
  • client: replicated trickles. Seems to be working now.
  • client: added <trickle_debug> config option.

    -> 6.13.6
  • Mac: fixes for problems with OS 10.4 compatibility.
  • client: Disable GPU detection of Windows when running as a service to avoid a deadlock condition with the latest ATI drivers.

8886) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why is the Messages tab removed? (Message 40414)
Posted 28 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu
8887) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40404)
Posted 27 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jimmy, the developers ask you to run with a debug option on.
To do so, use any clear text editor to make a file called cc_config.xml in your BOINC Data directory (default in OS X at /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/

In it add the following lines:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<task_debug>1</task_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


When done and the file is saved (make sure it's only got the .xml extension, nothing else; save in ANSI format if possible), open BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file. That will start the debugging. Then wait until you see the same behaviour on any of your tasks and post the part of the log here that then hopefully shows what the problem is. You can recognize the debug lines of the tasks as they start with [task].
8888) Message boards : Questions and problems : HELP both my projects have disappeared (Message 40397)
Posted 27 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you probably have is a problem where the manager (GUI) lost contact with the client. That should be easily solved by a reboot of the computer.
8889) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINIC crashing my system? (Message 40391)
Posted 27 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
*2 ASUS MAtrix 580 Platinum video cards currently clocked at factory settings
running in Crossfire; i.e., cards can be overclocked

So you manage to run two Nvidia cards in a combine option that's normally only used by ATI/AMD cards... Nvidia == SLI; ATI/AMD == Crossfire X.

SLI stood in the past for Scan Line Interleave (where one card would draw the even lines and the other card would draw the uneven lines), but these days it stands for Scalable Link Interface, where adding multiple cards with the same core together will make one big videocard.

The problem is that my system crashes quite soon after and I have to re-boot into Windows again. Thus, I have two questions: 1)what might be the cause and what might be a solution for it;

Unknown, as you forgot to tell us the actual error message. All crashes are preceded by an error message. You can normally find out about it in Windows Event Viewer.

2)can BOINIC and Milkyway take advantage of Crossfire setups?

BOINC will detect all cards and use the best by default. If there's two or more of these 'best', itll automatically make them available to any project using them. It then doesn't matter if you used SLI (for Nvidia) or Crossfire (for ATI/AMD), as BOINC will tell the project that you have 2 individual GPUs.

What the project does with that information is something you best ask at the project.

By the way, the program's name is BOINC, not Bionic, Bionix, Bonic, Bonix, Bionc, Binc, Bonc, Binic, Binix, Bono, or Blargh. :P
8890) Message boards : Questions and problems : Microsoft SBS 2011 Essentials (Message 40390)
Posted 27 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, if you want to only give minimalistic information about what you're trying to do, that's fine with me. But as you may have noticed by now, it'll only impair you on getting actual help.

So how about giving lots more information that only you can know about, such as:
Telling us which BOINC version you're using, what event ID or error message you run into (Windows Event Viewer)?
Is the server a domain controller, and when it is, does it use local accounts & groups in addition to the global (roaming) accounts & groups?
What are all the changes to that version of the SBS when compared to the Beta? Would any of those be part of your problem?
8891) Message boards : Questions and problems : (Waiting for GPU Memory) Status OSX (Message 40389)
Posted 27 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No matter what you do, Seti still doesn't run any science apps by default on an ATI GPU. You'd have to use third party applications for that, as in ones from Dotsch or Lunatics. But as far as I know, there are none for OS X, as ATI GPU detection itself is flaky still under OS X.

@Jimmy: The "waiting for GPU memory" thing is a bug that got squashed only recently, but only in 6.13 if I am not mistaken. However I am not telling you to go use 6.13, as this is extremely buggy. Instead I'll go ask the developer for the Mac to back-port the fix to a next 6.12, or ask if he has done so already.
8892) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using BOINC with more than one user logged in. (Message 40364)
Posted 25 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Whether there's any way of detecting a user switch, and automatically stopping/restarting BOINC when it happens, I wouldn't begin to guess.

There is, and as far as I know it's built into the present BOINC versions. It is the effect of the GPU going missing as that's the only thing that's affected by the fast user switching. So that part of BOINC will be disabled. If all is well, CPU crunching will continue.
8893) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using BOINC with more than one user logged in. (Message 40362)
Posted 25 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't use fast user switching, as that uses the same internal videocard driver as remote desktop does. The one that doesn't know about CUDA, CAL or OpenCL.

Install BOINC with the 'allow other users to control BOINC' option and when you switch users, do so by logging off -> logging on. Yes, that takes a little longer, but it will allow BOINC to continue doing its work.
8894) Message boards : Questions and problems : Change required in how boinc works? (Message 40359)
Posted 25 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a walkthrough for TThrottle, I don't seem to understand what settings to do, and all.. :(

http://www.efmer.eu/boinc/tthrottle_manual.html, while for more questions, ask at http://www.efmer.eu/forum_tt/index.php. BOINC doesn't develop this program, Fred of Efmer does.
8895) Message boards : Questions and problems : I Have Too Many Projects (Message 40358)
Posted 25 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you stop doing work for a project, the RAC for that project will go to zero over the next few weeks. It's only recent average credit, it's not worth anything, although it may inhibit you to post on some projects' forums (e.g. Seti and Einstein have this rule where RAC must be above 1 to be able to post in their main forums). The total credit you have will stay with your account.

As for which project(s) you should or shouldn't run, that's wholly your own decision. As I posted in this post, for this month I run the following projects: World Community grid (Clean Water), Spinhenge, Einstein, Rosetta, Constellation, Test4Theory and Surveill, and only between 9pm and 7am when electricity rates are lower.

My BOINC is attached to 53 projects (42 of them showing here). I can switch easily between them, just set one on No new tasks and another on Allow new tasks. I have a couple of projects for which I've set personal milestones, need to get so many credits before I leave there.
8896) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I change project resource allocation? (Message 40352)
Posted 24 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally in the Project preferences. However, WCG is a tad different.
There it's through My Grid->Device Manager->Selected profile->Project Weight.

For CPDN it's at http://climateapps2.oerc.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/prefs.php?subset=project->Resource share.
8897) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40349)
Posted 24 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I expect W8 Preview is a Pro version.

Which isn't one of the versions that the W8 patch detects. See source code entry.

So could this just be an issue with the Boinc installation software?
Perhaps not getting a recognized response from the system when attempting to add to the boinc_admins group? I mean it's not written for W8 and the wizard reports that it was interrupted following the above error message.

Did you reboot at any time? The patch is written for the W8 beta versions that are available.

I think it's more of a thing with Windows 8, that does something differently. But I'll forward your plight to the developers, let them tell what it could be.
8898) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40345)
Posted 24 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Tried 6.12.38 x64 on Win8 x64.
Would not install normally (default settings):

Failed to add user to the 'boinc_admins' group (BOINC Master).

See this FAQ for a possible workaround (adding the user name by hand to the correct group).

Worked as a daemon, but my purpose was to test GPU projects, and running as a daemon excludes these project!

Yes, that's known, same behaviour on Windows Vista and 7. That's a Windows session 0 security measure, where the drivers and services run in a different session than the user accounts. Added to that the temporary workaround that disables ATI GPU detection at all when installed as a service.
8899) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 40340)
Posted 24 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project attachment URL has changed to http://lhcathome2.cern.ch/test4theory/, even though their front page states differently. Always nice that the project changes the attach to URL without much of a warning or agreement on their own pages!
8900) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running BOINC on GC (PDC) (Message 40332)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Installed W8x64 and Boinc 6.10.45 (as no other Boinc version would install)

The latest 6.12.38 will install on Windows 8. Still not on a DC, still because of those pesky roaming accounts. But other than that... see for links to the installers, the last post in this thread.
8901) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 8 compatiablity (Message 40325)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.38 is available for testing for Windows. It includes the fix for Windows 8. See the last post in this thread for direct links.
8902) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40324)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.38 is now available for testing for Windows. See its change log.

6.12.38, 32bit
6.12.38, 64bit

Now then, this version has the temporary workaround/bugfix for ATI GPUs using Catalysts 11.7 or later. Something in these newer Catalysts prohibits BOINC from starting up when an ATI GPU is in the system. This is something ATI has to fix.

A side-effect of this workaround is that even when you install BOINC as a service under Windows XP, that the GPU detection is now disabled. Up to 6.12.38 this was still possible under XP. Sorry for that. Let's hope ATI fixes their drivers ASAP.

Another side-effect for users running Windows Vista and 7, is that you will have a pop-up each time that you start and stop BOINC Manager. This is caused by the Boincsvcctrl (BOINC service control) program, which is started from BOINC Manager. This program asks Windows if it can start and stop the BOINC service, thus it's UAC that flags this as a warning that the program tries to make changes to the system. The only (not recommended) workaround here is to disable UAC.
8903) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 40322)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.38 available for testing for Linux, Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Change Log 6.12.38

  • client: Update Windows detection code to support Windows 8. (From: [P3D] Crashtest)
  • client: Disable GPU detection of Windows when running as a service to avoid a deadlock condition with the latest ATI drivers.

8904) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices TAb (Message 40321)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools menu->Display and network options->Set the Notice reminder interval to Never->OK.
8905) Message boards : Projects : LHC@Home a.k.a Test4Theory..now SIXTRACK a.k.a LHC@Home 1.0?? (Message 40319)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
People who expect that the LHC URL in the "Add project" wizard changes automagically, do know that it won't. The wizard gets this information from the all_projects_list.xml file in your BOINC Data directory. This file is only changed when you do a BOINC client update installation, not with a contact to any server (there's no contact with 'a BOINC server'), and only after the BOINC developers made changes to the file.

Thus far BOINC 6.12.37 and 6.13.5 will still have the old file included. I have just notified the developers of this small problem, they told me that the updated file will be available with the next client(s).

In the mean time you can edit this file yourself. When in Windows, you can use Windows Wordpad to make the changes.

- Open all_projects_list.xml with Wordpad.
- Press CTRL + F (to do a search).
-- Fill in LHC and click Find Next or press Enter.
- Change the entry for LHC to LHC 1.0 (<name>LHC@home 1.0</name>)
- Change the URL from http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/ to http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack (<url>http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/</url>)
- Save the file.
- Open BOINC Manager (no need to exit & reload BOINC).
- Tools->Add project or account manager->Add project->Next->Scroll down to LHC 1.0, select it to see that the URL is now correct.
8906) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 40316)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Service installation problem?

The problem is still with the ATI 11.7 (or 11.8) catalysts, which break the detection of the card. If you do not use your GPU, you can get around this with a cc_config.xml file that contains the following lines:

<cc_config>
    <options>
        <no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 


This will require a restart of the client.

If you do use your GPU, you shouldn't install as a service on Windows 7 and Vista anyway due to the session 0 problem.

In the mean time, Rom is including a fix that will disable the GPU detection. It'll be in the forthcoming 6.12.38. This will however break GPU detection when installed as a service on Windows XP as well. Sorry for that, but it's either, or. That will get fixed in a future release, until that time, go complain at ATI/AMD that they need to fix their drivers! And please report back when they said they did. ;-)
8907) Message boards : Questions and problems : Change required in how boinc works? (Message 40314)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you use the "Use at most X% CPU time" option, this tells BOINC to suspend & resume the science application(s) according to a set rhythm per 10 seconds. When set to 50%, it will suspend 1 second, run 1 second. When set to 80%, it will run 4 seconds, be 1 second suspended. At 10% it will run 1 second and be 9 seconds suspended. All timings are at this FAQ.

It was chosen to use suspend/resume, so that it is platform independent.
The method that Folding uses is one that works on Windows only. It won't work that way on the Mac or on Linux. Since BOINC is a single source code -> multiple operating system application, it can't depend on special OS only things.

Now you can download the source code for the client and compile from that for either Windows, or Linux, or Mac OS X (or all three) and have it work exactly the same between all three platforms, without needing extra hoops to jump through.
8908) Message boards : Promotion : Namespace collision (Message 40312)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
I've contacted them and pointed out that Boinc is a bad choice of name for a commercial Internet product. "BOINC" is not a trademark. I don't think it makes any difference.
8909) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40309)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Testing 6.13s and running Test4Theory

This is a warning for those of you who make a backup of your BOINC Data directory (highly recommended!) and are running Test4Theory.

When running T4T work on a 6.13 client and you need to return to a previous 6.13 or older client, then do know the following: When you put your backup back and restart your older client, you will notice that your T4T task will go to computation error immediately. This is because the state of the task running in the Virtual Machine is past the state of the one in your backup. Upon restart, the CERN server will throw a fit and declare your task 'corrupt'.

You can work around this by:
- Suspending Test4Theory while you test run the newer client.
- Setting the T4T project to NNT, then running the T4T BOINC task to 100%.
- When you have the possibility, by updating your backup incrementally with only the newer T4T details (state of files in the slot directory, client_state.xml, etc.)
8910) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40308)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Service installation problem?

The problem is still with the ATI 11.7 (or 11.8) catalysts, which break the detection of the card. If you do not use your GPU, you can get around this with a cc_config.xml file that contains the following lines:

<cc_config>
    <options>
        <no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 


This will require a restart of the client.

If you do use your GPU, you shouldn't install as a service on Windows 7 and Vista anyway due to the session 0 problem.

In the mean time, Rom is including a fix that will disable the GPU detection. It'll be in the forthcoming 6.12.38 and 6.13.6. This will however break GPU detection when installed as a service on Windows XP as well. Sorry for that, but it's either, or. That will get fixed in a future release, until that time, go complain at ATI/AMD that they need to fix their drivers! And please report back when they said they did. ;-)
8911) Message boards : BOINC Manager : cc_config.xml improperly parsed (Message 40307)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You should make that clear in the Boinc Wiki, too. Guess most plp think this is normal XML, though.

Well, in a sense it is.. The developers are busy changing to normal XML as of the next BOINC client, number 7. Parts of it are already included in the test versions 6.13.
8912) Message boards : Questions and problems : INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING FOR UPCOMING 7.0 BUILDS (Message 40306)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Service installation problem?

The problem is still with the ATI 11.7 (or 11.8) catalysts, which break the detection of the card. If you do not use your GPU, you can get around this with a cc_config.xml file that contains the following lines:

<cc_config>
    <options>
        <no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 


This will require a restart of the client.

If you do use your GPU, you shouldn't install as a service on Windows 7 and Vista anyway due to the session 0 problem.

In the mean time, Rom is including a fix that will disable the GPU detection. It'll be in the forthcoming 6.12.38. This will however break GPU detection when installed as a service on Windows XP as well. Sorry for that, but it's either, or. That will get fixed in a future release, until that time, go complain at ATI/AMD that they need to fix their drivers! And please report back when they said they did. ;-)
8913) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40305)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, we have made progress.
The problem is still with the ATI 11.7 (or 11.8) catalysts, which break the detection of the card. If you do not use your GPU, you can get around this with a cc_config.xml file that contains the following lines:

<cc_config>
    <options>
        <no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 


This will require a restart of the client.

If you do use your GPU, you shouldn't install as a service on Windows 7 and Vista anyway due to the session 0 problem.

In the mean time, Rom is including a fix that will disable the GPU detection. It'll be in the forthcoming 6.12.38. This will however break GPU detection when installed as a service on Windows XP as well. Sorry for that, but it's either, or. That will get fixed in a future release, until that time, go complain at ATI/AMD that they need to fix their drivers! And please report back when they said they did. ;-)
But don't sweat it, I will test that one before you have to. I just threw a boat load of work overboard (again) anyway... :-)
8914) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40303)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the service installation doesn't work for me for 6.12.37 either. Still working with Rom to see what could be causing this. Stay tuned. :)
8915) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40300)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.37 is available for testing for Windows.
6.12.37 32bit
6.12.37 64bit

You may still have problems with the service installation. On 6.13.4 I encountered the same service installation problems, Rom and I are looking into it. I haven't tested what the service installation of this version did. Will do that tomorrow.
8916) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 8 compatiablity (Message 40299)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There's a fix for that in BOINC 6.13, but that's so pre-alpha that you shouldn't be trying to use it unless you're a die-hard alpha tester.

I did ask if the fix could be back-ported to 6.12; the developers have said they will so so, when another 6.12 is needed. It is therefore not included in 6.12.37!
8917) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 40298)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.37 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.


Change Log 6.12.36

  • client (and API and manager): change the data structure used for system process info.
    -- Old: vector of PROCINFO. Descendants of a process were found by recursively iterating through the vector. Operations are O(n).

    -- New: map of (id, PROCINFO), and each PROCINFO has a vector of its children. Operations are O(log(n))
    Also combined Mac/Win/Linux variants of code that was essentially the same.

  • code shuffle.
  • more code shuffling:
    -- proc_control: controlling processes.
    -- procinfo: enumerating and querying processes.
    -- run_app_windows: launching apps as other users on Win.

  • client/API: Add a mechanism so that apps can report sub-processes that are not descendants (e.g., virtual machines). These processes are then counted as part of the app, not as "non-BOINC CPU time". This fixes a bug where processing was incorrectly suspended because CPU usage by VM apps exceeded the "CPU usage limit" pref.

    Implementation:
    -- The PIDs of the processes in question are passed from app to client via shared-memory, in the app_status channel. A new variant of boinc_report_app_status() supports this.
    -- The VBox wrapper queries the PID of the VM, and reports it in this way.
    -- Procinfo_app() includes a new argument: a list of PIDs that are part of the app, although not ancestrally related to the main process.
    -- In the client, ACTIVE_TASK now includes a vector "other_pids". If this is nonempty, it's passed to procinfo_app().

  • Fix build break
  • Mac: add proc_control.cpp to XCode project.
  • lib: if OS_Darwin use procinfo_mac.cpp instead of procinfo_unix.cpp.
  • lib, api: update XCode project to build same source files in each library as corresponding make files.


Change Log 6.12.37


  • vboxwrapper: report network usage to the client.
  • client: include the above in enforcing network quota preferences for virtual machine wrappers.

8918) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40290)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti News:
Jeff Cobb wrote:
We are having a network problem that is preventing most uploads and downloads from succeeding. We are looking into it and will post more when we know more.


Jeff Cobb wrote:
Our router at the PAIX was restarted (I'm guessing by someone at Packet Clearing House). This appears to have fixed the problem.
8919) Message boards : Questions and problems : INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING FOR UPCOMING 7.0 BUILDS (Message 40288)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.13.4 has been retracted from the download pages until the installation problems can be solved. If you're using 6.13.4, please uninstall it and go back to the client you were using before.

I'm working with Rom on the service installation problem that's also plaguing the 6.12 range since 6.12.34; I've managed to throw a whole batch of work away already anyway, let me be the fall guy. Don't let it happen to you. :-)
8920) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two ATI cards on linux(centos6) x86_64,How to use its both? (Message 40287)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally by installing the drivers for both cards. Now it's very well possible that only one card is recognized as only for that one you installed drivers. Whenever you add any new hardware, even if it's the same as something you have already in the system, you will have to install drivers for it.
8921) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40286)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
I've withdrawn the Mac and Windows builds from the download_all.php page until we can identify the various setup issues.

----- Rom
8922) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 40280)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can reach the Seti site and forums without a problem. If you still can't, it's probably something local. The site and forums run off a different internet connection than the work connection does.
8923) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40275)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have posted 6.13.4 for the Mac. Note that as of 6.13, we are no longer supporting PowerPC macs.

Cheers,
--Charlie
8924) Message boards : Projects : SKA Distributed Project Perth :Western Australia (Message 40266)
Posted 20 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It needs configuring

Most programs need configuring. Your anti-virus needs configuring, your firewall needs configuring, your spreadsheet/text-editor program needs configuring, your browser needed configuring

Want to do anything with your operating system? Then you'll need to change things in the configuration panel. So don't post about configuration as being such a strange beast, when there's almost nothing out there that you run that doesn't need any changing of anything within it to make it work like you want it to.

What doesn't need configuring these days?

and if your using a gpu that means an app info file has to be created as well.

One does not need any anonymous platform (app_info.xml) file for the GPU. Any supported GPU can be used by BOINC as soon as the correct drivers are installed; then BOINC will detect the GPU and you can use it on those projects that have default GPU applications.

You only need an app_info.xml file if you plan to do things that aren't supported by default, like run multiple tasks on one GPU, or run an optimized application.

why cobblestones, 'work units' were self explanatory

A BOINC project gives you credit for the computations your computers perform for it. BOINC's unit of credit, the Cobblestone (named after Jeff Cobb of SETI@home), is 1/200 day of CPU time on a reference computer that does 1,000 MFLOPS based on the Whetstone benchmark. (Source: Computation Credit)

Why not work units? Because e.g. Seti's 'work units' are nothing compared to Climate Prediction.Net's 'work units'; the one's run in mere minutes to hours, the other's in weeks to months. At least the latest credits show how much work your CPU has done, whether or not they were done at Seti, Einstein, Milkyway, T4T, CPDN, Collatz, Rosetta, Spinhenge, Renderfarm, LHC, Yoyo, Pirates, ABC, Leiden, Poem, Cosmology, Docking, etc. etc.
8925) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40264)
Posted 20 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.4 available for testing for Windows.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

I had originally planned on releasing 6.13.4 today, but ran into a bump with my schedule. I'll release it tomorrow (21-09-2011).

For those who cannot wait there are two warnings you need to know about.

1. File uploads may not work with all projects. If you find upload errors for some of the projects you are running you will need to get in touch with the project staff and have them upgrade their file upload handler or disable upload signing certificate generation per David's email to project administrators.

2. Upgrading to this build, or anything newer, changes things internally so that downgrading to an older build causes the client software to abandon all work and re-fetch work from the projects. Depending on project configuration, you may get the same work over again or you may be assigned new work.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom



WARNING

The new BOINC 6.13 range is using completely new, from the ground up rewritten code for many of its parts. It is not to be used if you are not an alpha tester. It is not to be used on all of your machines, just on one. When it doesn't work, report your problems to the developers and return to the latest 6.12.recommended.

At this time we're specifically testing whether or not the new CPU/GPU scheduling code works without using debt, and if projects will fetch work.

This is not a version that you install and walk away from, it needs constant checking, including the use of all the correct client configuration flags. Make sure your log files are of sufficient size so you can log through the night.

Minimum required flags to report with are <cpu_sched_debug>, <rr_simulation>, <sched_op_debug>, <work_fetch_debug>

Do not run experimental versions of BOINC on live projects, unless you also subscribe to the associated BOINC Alpha email list, and have time to read and act upon any recall or hotfix notices for builds which turn out to be buggy.

Remember, these early 6.13s are not for prolonged use if you aren't going to send regular logs back to the developer. These versions will only annoy the heck out of you, since they will do work fetch completely different from what you have come to expect of BOINC. Just don't use it if you're not serious about it!


INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING UPON RETURNING TO PREVIOUS BOINC VERSIONS: 6.13.3 or later
When you upgrade to this build from any 6.12 or previous versions, or from 6.13.0 or 6.13.1, then do know that here will be some changes to the client_state.xml file which will make it incompatible with older client software. We strongly suggest making a backup copy of the data directory before upgrading to the new build just in case something happens and you need to roll-back to an earlier build of BOINC. To clarify, when you upgrade to 6.13.3 or later, everything should work normally; work in progress will continue to run. When you downgrade from 6.13.3 or later to an earlier version, work in progress will disappear. You'll still be attached to all your projects. The client will fetch work from them; sometimes it will be re-issueing the previous work, but only if the project has 'resend lost work' on, and will start this from the beginning.



Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log:

  • client: XML-escape the URLs in RSS feed lists.
  • lib: make xml_unescape work for arbitrarily large strings.
  • client: don't pass --gpu_type to GPU apps; this breaks many existing apps. Instead, pass the GPU type (and the device number) in app_init_data.xml.
  • client: fix error in parsing of XML comments.
  • client: make RR simulation more accurate by simulating time-slicing explicitly. Also simulate changes in project REC and hence in scheduling priority.
  • client: add a log flag "rrsim_detail" that prints time-slice-level info.
  • client: message tweak.
  • client: remove code related to debt-based scheduling.
  • client: make file upload work w/ old handlers.
  • client, GUI RPC, Manager: In GUI RPC, change RESULT.gpu_mem_wait to scheduler_wait. It means that the app did a boinc_temporary_exit(), and is waiting to be rescheduled. GPU mem wait is one source of this, not the only one.
  • lib, api: bring Xcode and make files into agreement.
  • client: get GPU available RAM at startup (only).
  • client: fix compile warning.
  • client: fixes to the above.
  • client: prevent infinite recursion (and stack overflow) in procinfo.cpp:add_child_totals(). Not sure how this could happen.
  • client: escape URLs for curl, otherwise filenames with spaces don't work.
  • client: curl_easy_escape() escapes way too much. Just escape spaces.
  • XML parsing: do XML unescaping in place rather than allocating a buffer on the stack. Fixes a Manager crash on the Mac, where the default thread stack size seems to be 512KB.
  • client: Update Windows detection code to support Windows 8. (From: [P3D] Crashtest)
  • client: change in the use of GPU available RAM:
    -- Measure the available RAM of each GPU when BOINC starts up. If this fails, set available = physical. Show available RAM in startup messages.
    -- Use available RAM rather than physical RAM in selecting the "best" GPU instance.
    -- Report available RAM to the scheduler.
    -- TODO: change the scheduler to use available rather than physical if it's reported.
  • fix more compile warnings.
  • client: report available GPU RAM to scheduler.
  • lib: parse <available_ram> in coproc XML.
  • lib: do coproc XML parsing using new XML parser.
  • lib: fix compiler warning.
  • Mac: Change XCode project to build both 32-bit and 64-bit BOINC libraries for debug as well as for deployment.
  • client: report network usage to the client when enforcing network quota preferences.
  • client: with VBox on Win, the process graph sometimes has cycles. Not sure where this comes from. But avoid infinite recursion when traversing descendants.
  • client: make the attributes of GUI RPCs (network, authentication) explicit rather than determined by position in a list.
  • client: add a new "read-only" attribute for GUI RPCs. This is in preparation for handling GUI RPCs in separate threads.
  • client: remove code to support pre-V6 graphics.
  • Win fixes.
  • lib: add generic interfaces for threads and thread synchronization.

8926) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using Boinc as a Render Farm? (Message 40246)
Posted 19 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Other BOINC projects that are Renderfarms:
http://www.renderfarm.fi/
http://burp.renderfarming.net/

You may want to contact them to ask them how they did it.
8927) Message boards : Questions and problems : Graphics Won't Show (Message 40237)
Posted 18 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project is this on?
Do they (still) have graphics for the Mac?
Which BOINC version is this with?
Did you (ever) get newer drivers for your videocard/videochip?
The last time I re-installed it even wiped out my account & I had to sign up all over again.

No matter how much you uninstall & reinstall BOINC on your local system, that won't wipe out any account on any project server. You can only wipe out accounts there if you actually have access to the database on the server, which us mere mortals do not have on the projects.

A project can lose your account, if they have a catastrophic failure of the hardware (drives) and do not have any backup of their database. But then everyone will have lost their accounts and you will have noticed that on their forums.

So what's the most probable cause here is that you forgot which email address you signed up with and on the next BOINC installation signed up again with another email address. You can sign up only once with an email address, it's your unique identifier. Once it's in the database, you cannot use it again to sign up with. Unless you made a typo, of course. E.g. tried@tomas.ext is different from tired@tomas.ext or tried@thomas.ext (none of these are real addresses, spambots. :-)).

On any of the projects, when you get to the log-in screen you have links about "Forgot password?" and "Forgot email address?". Click those next time, then you can claim your old account back. But you will then have to choose which one to continue with. BOINC accounts cannot be merged.
8928) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC does not recognise ATI GPU on Mac OS X (Message 40211)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do these people run their BOINC client as daemon? If so, tell them to stop doing so. Running as daemon will on all platforms (but for Windows XP) stop BOINC from detecting the GPU.

Furthermore, have them read and follow http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing. Do they have the correct drivers installed?
8929) Message boards : BOINC client : Compiling boinc with x64? (Message 40208)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You may be able to build 64bit applications if you install the Windows SDK, do a Google search for more on that, or look here (that's for Visual Studio 2010 Express).

Outside that, the only way to build them is with the full Visual Studio version, not the Express. This is a Microsoft policy, not a BOINC one.
8930) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver fail on windows 7 home 64-bit using 6.12.34 (x64) client (Message 40207)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
and not allow users to control it (the manager).

You misunderstand that option. The "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC" doesn't mean they can control BOINC Manager, it means that they can run BOINC Manager and use it to control BOINC. BOINC Manager is only a graphical user interface used to give easy commands to the underlying client.

When you do not have it checked, your other users cannot use BOINC Manager to control BOINC. They cannot control any aspect of BOINC, including the screen saver.

8931) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager not responding (Message 40199)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Managed to reproduce that. Forwarded to development.
With thanks. :-)
8932) Message boards : Questions and problems : Too demanding tasks (Message 40191)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
My BOINC is only allowed to do work between 9pm and 7am, when the electricity rates are lower, the rest of the day it's suspended at 'time-of-day'. It gets work from 7 projects, has multiple tasks per project in cache (bar T4T and Surveill) --reasonably, connect to of 0.50 days and additional cache of 1.00 days. The projects in question are for this month: World Community grid (Clean Water), Spinhenge, Einstein, Rosetta, Constellation, Test4Theory and Surveill.

The system itself is an i3-530, 2 core CPU with hyper threading, 4Gb RAM, Windows 7 64bit. It's allowed to use all cores. It manages to do all the work that is cached well within the time allotted.

I have another P4 3.0GHz which acts as my TV server. It's only on when we are watching something we downloaded, lately the Babylon 5 series. It's also only allowed to do work between 9pm and 7am, while it's attached to 2 projects, Climateprediction.net and Primegrid. Although it's a system with hyper-threading, I have set BOINC to run only on 1 CPU (use at max 50% of processors).

We shut this system down when we stop watching whatever it is we watched, so it differs every evening how long the tasks can run, there's days it ran 2 hours, days it ran 4 hours and in between or over. The system isn't on 24/7. It even happens that this system stays off for more than a day.

Thus far I haven't seen any problems on either system.
Now, luckily, CPDN does not adhere to their deadlines. At least not for the models that have a deadline of a year or more. Even while BOINC may be complaining that such a task is past its deadline and that you better abort it, you can ignore that message and continue running it to completion and still get credit.

Seti's Astropulse tasks may tell you they take that long, but in reality they don't. The initial time to completion on all tasks is an estimated time. During the running of the task, BOINC will learn how long they actually take. While Astropulse tasks may start out at 480 hours estimated run time, they run in something like 140 hours on modern machines. Quicker even when you use Seti's optimized applications, or the GPU applications (see their forums for more information on that, or ask there).
8933) Message boards : GPUs : GPU activate/deactivate in BOINC's options (Message 40184)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It will suspend GPU usage, but won't disable the GPU. It also won't stop the GPU work requests people see in their messages. Only deactivating the GPU detection or telling BOINC to ignore the GPU will stop those.
8934) Message boards : Questions and problems : cannot quit Boinc (Message 40182)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please update to BOINC 6.12.35 available from the BOINC download page.

* SCR: Fix delay dismissing screensaver under Mac OS10.7.
8935) Message boards : GPUs : GPU activate/deactivate in BOINC's options (Message 40181)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was wondering why it is still not possible to activate or deactivate the GPU use from within BOINC's options. I mean globally - use it or leave it.

The default setting for use of both the CPU and the GPU is only when the computer is idle. If that's not good enough, one can disable the use of either through the project's preferences, or change the way that they should be used through the global preferences. One way to completely disable the GPU from being detected is as you said through the cc_config.xml file.

Editing the core client configuration (cc_config.xml) file will become much easier in BOINC 7. Then it'll be available through the local advanced view's preferences.
Or even better, to select it for every single project.

Whether or not a GPU can be selected as hardware is a project's option. The project preferences will only show the option to allow the use of the Nvidia or ATI GPU when there is an actual CUDA, CAL or OpenCL application available in the project's applications list. The BOINC server software automatically enables these preferences when a project adds one of those applications to its applications list.

As long as the project has no GPU application, it won't need the option to allow or disallow the use of that GPU.
And yes, I know it is possible to select that on each project's webpage, but why not include it into BOINC directly? And make it more obviously and easily?

BOINC was made for allowing associated projects to send you applications that use your spare CPU & GPU cycles in mind. That's why it will at default only start up when you're not using the computer. It should be easy for everyone to step into. Adding all those options in plain sight will scare some of the technically non-savvy people away, a goal that the developers want to prevent from happening.

But moreover, enabling or disabling which applications you want to use is a project level decision. Which means that enabling or disabling the CPU or GPU is at that level as well. It's not for BOINC to decide whether or not they can be used, as it goes against why BOINC was made.
8936) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 40173)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
People with bandwidth cap imposed upon them by their ISP, be warned.
At present the T4T project requires an always-on, uninterrupted, continuous internet connection. This is why you can't use a Proxy.

However, at this moment the project won't follow the BOINC "Transfer at most" network preferences either, or any other network activity preferences (time-of-day, suspend). This is because the vboxwrapper that the project is using can not yet communicate the network activity settings from BOINC to the VBox Manager and vice versa.

The BOINC developers are looking for an urgent solution to this problem, also on request of the project administrators.

So if you have a bandwidth cap imposed on you by your ISP, do not use T4T for the moment. All the time that the VirtualBox program is running, it will have a connection to the CERN server, asking for work, or receiving and sending data. It could cost you.

I'll let know (here) when the new vboxwrapper with the fix for this problem is in use by the project.
8937) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40172)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Any word on when they expect to have something ready for testing?

If all is well, 6.12.36 will be available for testing this weekend. I found another critical bug in something else that needs urgent squashing first, so that's something that the developers have turned their attention to first.

They love me there in Berkeley. ;-)

The bug in question is one where projects that use the VirtualBox application and vboxwrapper, do not follow the Network activity settings and preferences set by BOINC. When you suspend the network in BOINC through whatever means, the network activity continues in the VBox virtual machine. This could cost people who live with a bandwidth cap at their ISP dearly. Up till yesterday it wasn't even documented. So that's a "drop everything, find immediate solution" case.
8938) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40163)
Posted 13 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.13.3 has been removed from testing. Do not use it any further.
8939) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver issues in client versions 6.12.33 & 6.12.34. (Message 40152)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is boinctray.exe running, please check in Windows task manager. This program is used to check for computer-idleness, and for end-of-idleness. Please check that it's running, and if not, start it from the BOINC programs directory.
8940) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windowns 7 will not resume from BOINC screensaver (Message 40151)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC uses a small program to check for computer-idleness. This program is called boinctray.exe on Windows and needs to be running at all times to have effect. It's only started when you boot into Windows, no when you start BOINC Manager or the client.

This program is also used by BOINC to check for end-of-idleness. So check that it's running, and if not, start it from the BOINC programs directory.
8941) Message boards : Questions and problems : Have to reinstall BOINC every time I restart my computer! (Message 40150)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Every time I restart my computer BOINC gives me an error message that says "the password supplied is incorrect" and it doesn't connect.

This normally only happens when you have installed BOINC as administrator and run with another (limited user/power user) account that isn't allowed to control BOINC through BOINC Manager. You have no permission to read anything from the BOINC (Data) directory.

Outside of that, without any information about your system, your OS, your BOINC version, (OS) error messages or logs, there is nothing we can do to try to help.
8942) Message boards : Server programs : BOINC Server (Message 40149)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't know. You don't give any example of what the compute errors are. Click any of the TaskIDs and tell what the stderr.txt of the erroneous tasks said...
8943) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running BOINC on GC (PDC) (Message 40141)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Direct links to version 5.10.45, 32bit and 64bit, can be found in the BOINC 6 Release Notes, under the section explaining why it can't be installed on a domain controller.
8944) Message boards : Questions and problems : Why is the Messages tab removed? (Message 40132)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It has now become a window, available through Advanced->Event Log, or CTRL + SHIFT + E. It was hidden as a lot of (new) people would see all messages as errors and uninstall BOINC and be gone. So the messages are somewhat hidden, at least no longer prominently available.
8945) Message boards : Questions and problems : Notices out of order (Message 40130)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'd seen that as well, but thanks for the report. Forwarded to the developers.
8946) Message boards : Questions and problems : INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING FOR UPCOMING 7.0 BUILDS (Message 40129)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
There are (at least) two issues with 6.13.3:

1) For GPU apps, it passes an additional command-line argument that causes some apps to fail (usually by exiting immediately). This will be fixed in 6.13.4.

2) 6.13.3 handles file upload certificates (a mechanism that prevents DoS attacks on upload servers) differently than previous versions.
This change was necessary to make scheduler requests and replies readable by standard XML parsers. But it means that file uploads will fail to projects that a) use upload certificates, and b) aren't running current server code.

I sent email to boinc_projects describing this change, and recommending that projects disable upload certificates until they're able to upgrade their server code. Not all project admins read boinc_projects, so it may be necessary to contact them via their message boards or email, and I urge Alpha-testers to do so.

-- David


David Anderson, boinc_projects email list wrote:
"Upload certificates" are a mechanism that keeps bad guys from DoS'ing your upload servers (note: such an attack has never happened, as far as I know).

We're changing the format of upload certificates, and we're starting to test a version of the client for which old-format certificates won't work. Volunteers testers won't be able to upload completed jobs, and they may complain to you.

I suggest that all projects disable upload certificates. To do so, add the following to your config.xml file:

<dont_generate_upload_certificates/>
<ignore_upload_certificates/>

To resume using upload certificates, if you wish:

1) upgrade to the current server source code (from trunk)
2) wait for all jobs with old-format certificates to be dispatched
3) re-enable certificates by removing the above lines.

Let me know if any questions.

-- David
8947) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40127)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
There are (at least) two issues with 6.13.3:

1) For GPU apps, it passes an additional command-line argument that causes some apps to fail (usually by exiting immediately). This will be fixed in 6.13.4.

2) 6.13.3 handles file upload certificates (a mechanism that prevents DoS attacks on upload servers) differently than previous versions.
This change was necessary to make scheduler requests and replies readable by standard XML parsers. But it means that file uploads will fail to projects that a) use upload certificates, and b) aren't running current server code.

I sent email to boinc_projects describing this change, and recommending that projects disable upload certificates until they're able to upgrade their server code. Not all project admins read boinc_projects, so it may be necessary to contact them via their message boards or email, and I urge Alpha-testers to do so.

-- David


David Anderson, boinc_projects email list wrote:
"Upload certificates" are a mechanism that keeps bad guys from DoS'ing your upload servers (note: such an attack has never happened, as far as I know).

We're changing the format of upload certificates, and we're starting to test a version of the client for which old-format certificates won't work. Volunteers testers won't be able to upload completed jobs, and they may complain to you.

I suggest that all projects disable upload certificates. To do so, add the following to your config.xml file:

<dont_generate_upload_certificates/>
<ignore_upload_certificates/>

To resume using upload certificates, if you wish:

1) upgrade to the current server source code (from trunk)
2) wait for all jobs with old-format certificates to be dispatched
3) re-enable certificates by removing the above lines.

Let me know if any questions.

-- David
8948) Message boards : Questions and problems : 6.12.34 install problem (Message 40126)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this FAQ for more help. Essentially, Windows has lost the information about the installation, it can in 99% of the cases be repaired with a reinstallation of the previous BOINC.
8949) Message boards : Questions and problems : Old PC for using just BOINC (Message 40121)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
May I request that the two of you take the rest of this 'conversation' to private message, please? It's got nothing to do with the thread.
8950) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40109)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think you should use 6.13.3
All I get are validate errors on all the projects I used it on. This means you get no credit (for if you're an alpha tester & credit hound ;-)).
8951) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40108)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Uhm... This implies that you now use a 32bit BOINC, where before you used a 64bit BOINC. Windows will automatically install 64bit programs into the C:\Program Files\ main directory, whereas 32bit programs go into the C:\Program Files (x86)\ directory.

Normally you cannot install 64bit programs to the 32bit directory, or run them from there, as Windows itself will not give that permission. While you may not see that now, you may run into it after a reboot.

You can check which BOINC version you have by checking the installer's name:
Boinc_6.12.34_windows_intelx86.exe is 32bit.
Boinc_6.12.34_windows_x86_64.exe is 64bit.
8952) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40099)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.3 available for testing for Windows.


EXTRA WARNING

The new BOINC 6.13 range is using completely new, from the ground up rewritten code for many of its parts. It is not to be used if you are not an alpha tester. It is not to be used on all of your machines, just on one. When it doesn't work, report your problems to the developers and return to the latest 6.12.recommended.

At this time we're specifically testing whether or not the new CPU/GPU scheduling code works without using debt, and if projects will fetch work.

This is not a version that you install and walk away from, it needs constant checking, including the use of all the correct client configuration flags. Make sure your log files are of sufficient size so you can log through the night.

Minimum required flags to report with are <cpu_sched_debug>, <rr_simulation>, <sched_op_debug>, <work_fetch_debug>

Do not run experimental versions of BOINC on live projects, unless you also subscribe to the associated BOINC Alpha email list, and have time to read and act upon any recall or hotfix notices for builds which turn out to be buggy.

Remember, these early 6.13s are not for prolonged use if you aren't going to send regular logs back to the developer. These versions will only annoy the heck out of you, since they will do work fetch completely different from what you have come to expect of BOINC. Just don't use it if you're not serious about it!


INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING
When you upgrade to this build from any 6.12 or previous versions, or from 6.13.0 or 6.13.1, then do know that here will be some changes to the client_state.xml file which will make it incompatible with older client software. We strongly suggest making a backup copy of the data directory before upgrading to the new build just in case something happens and you need to roll-back to an earlier build of BOINC.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Preliminary Change Log:

  • client write project sched priority in GUI RPC replies, but not to the state file.
  • client: changes to the client file model to support distributed storage, as described here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientDataModel
    Compatibility:

    -- clients that upgrade to this version should see nothing unusual. Clients that downgrade from this version to a previous version should see all projects reset (i.e. tasks disappear and then get re-downloaded).

  • manager: always show whether a file transfer is upload or download.
  • client: don't scale work requests by resource share.
  • client: change the implementation of upload signatures as described here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientDataModel
  • client: debug the above.
  • client: debug distributed storage functions.
  • Mac: Begin changes for XCode 4.1 and GCC 4.2
  • Mac: Finish changes for XCode 4.1 and GCC 4.2
  • lib: Initialize config_coprocs struct in CONFIG::defaults()
  • SCR: Fix delay dismissing screensaver under Mac OS10.7
  • client: fix bug in <exclude_gpu> config option.
  • client: extend <exclude_gpu> option so that if <device_num> is omitted, all GPUs of the given type are excluded.
  • client: change the way upload signatures are generated in an attempt to make them work with existing servers.
  • client: undo the above. It doesn't work.
  • client: fix bug in get_descendants(), which prevented the client from cleaning up subprocesses of misbehaving multiprocess apps.
  • VM apps: eliminate vbox64 plan class. Only vbox.
  • client: add optional <file_prefix> to APP_VERSION>. If present, "file_prefix/" is prepended to the logical names of input and output files of jobs using that app version. I.e. for Vbox wrapper based app versions, file_prefix is "share", so that I/O files are put in a "share" subdirectory of the slot dir.
  • client: if an app version has nonempty file_prefix, copy all its input and output files.
  • Mac: Fix warning about potential memory leak.
  • Mac: Updates for compatibility with current CUDA software and OS X through OS 10.7 Lion, etc.
  • client: projects with zero resource share are always lower priority, for both job sched and work fetch, than projects with positive resource share.
  • client: make round-robin simulator match what the job scheduler now does: give lowest priority to projects with zero resource share.
  • Changes for Charity Engine Desktop.
  • Mac Client: Call NSVersionOfRunTimeLibrary("cuda") to set cc.display_driver_version.
  • client: rename MODE to RUN_MODE, and rename vars accordingly.
  • client: pass XML_PARSER& rather than MIOFILE& to parse functions. Preparatory to using new-style XML parsing everywhere.
  • client: more XML parsing stuff.
  • client: XML tweak.
  • Mac installer: Bug fixes for OS 10.7 Lion.
  • WINSCR: Based on feedback from WCG about the screensaver lock-up problem attempt to provoke Windows into redrawing the primary display. It turns out that the screensaver image is a ghost image, so create a blank top-most window and close it after the graphics application has been terminated.
  • client: more XML parsing cleanup.
  • client: fix compiler warnings.
  • client: Correlate OpenCL results with CAL or CUDA results based on index of devices reported by each.
  • client: write / parse OpenCL info in COPROC XML data.
  • fix linux build errors in coproc stuff. I don't think unsigned long long is relevant here.
  • lib: fix compile error on Mac, Ubuntu and Windows.
  • client: fix compiler warnings on Mac and Ubuntu.
  • lib, client: revert recent changes to restore unsigned long long so we can determine cause of Linux build errors.
  • lib: try to fix Linux build errors.
  • lib: On Windows, call _strtoui64() instead of strtoull
  • client: fix bug where NVIDIA display driver version wasn't being set correctly for some laptop GPUs.
  • client/server: improve estimation of NVIDIA GPU peak FLOPS.
  • lib: use standard implementation of strtoull when available.
  • fix build error in Linux screensaver (at least on FC14).
  • client: fix off-by-1 error in buffer overflow logic for scanning keys.
  • manager: Communitcations -> Communications. Please, no spelling errors in function/variable names.
  • client: parse deprecated tags in <file_info>
  • client: fix bug that caused project attach to fail.
  • clientgui: Rom, we should do error-checking of most GUI RPCs; look for REPORT ERROR in ProjectProcessingPage.cpp
  • lib: Add boinc_getopencl_ids() to be called by OpenCL project applications.
  • lib: rename boinc_getopencl_ids() to boinc_get_opencl_ids()
  • move boinc_get_opencl_ids() from lib/ to api/. lib/ is for code that's used by >1 part of BOINC.
  • client: fix bugs related to white space around code signing keys.
  • win compile fixes.
  • lib, api: bring Xcode and make files into agreement.
  • Win: remove boinc_opencl from API lib.
  • client (and API and manager): change the data structure used for system process info.
    Old: vector of PROCINFO.

    Descendants of a process were found by recursively iterating through the vector. Operations are O(n).

    New: map of (id, PROCINFO), and each PROCINFO has a vector of its children. Operations are O(log(n)).
    Also combined Mac/Win/Linux? variants of code that was essentially the same.
  • Windows compile fixes.
  • code shuffling.
  • more code shuffling:
    - proc_control: controlling processes
    - procinfo: enumerating and querying processes
    - run_app_windows: launching apps as other users on Win
  • client/API/vboxwrapper:

    Add a mechanism so that apps can report sub-processes that are not descendants (e.g., virtual machines). These processes are then counted as part of the app, not as "non-BOINC CPU time". This fixes a bug where processing was incorrectly suspended because CPU usage by VM apps exceeded the "CPU usage limit" pref.

    Implementation:
    -- The PIDs of the processes in question are passed from app to client via shared-memory, in the app_status channel. A new variant of boinc_report_app_status() supports this.
    -- The VBox wrapper queries the PID of the VM, and reports it in this way.
    -- procinfo_app() includes a new argument: a list of PIDs that are part of the app, although not ancestrally related to the main process.
    -- In the client, ACTIVE_TASK now includes a vector "other_pids". If this is nonempty, it's passed to procinfo_app().
  • lib: Fix compile errors; add app_control.cpp to XCode project.
  • lib: minor code shuffle.
  • client: fix bugs with white space around code sign keys and file signatures.
  • client: when describing app versions in scheduler requests, we still must use CUDA instead of NVIDIA; that's what's in the server code.
  • scheduler: use new XML parser for most request elements.
  • scheduler: parse NVIDIA as well as CUDA in app version descriptions (workaround for recent clients).
  • client: make exit_before_start a cc_config.xml option (as well as a cmdline option).
  • client: if too many <coproc> elements in cc_config.xml, detect it and inform user.
  • client: new XML parser had a limit of 8KB for strings. This broke things. Increase it to 256KB.
  • Mac: More fixes for building under XCode 4.1

8953) Message boards : Questions and problems : INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING FOR UPCOMING 7.0 BUILDS (Message 40098)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Keep up-to-date on BOINC 6.13 changes through the BOINC 7 Change Log 6.13 and news thread.
8954) Message boards : Questions and problems : INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING FOR UPCOMING 7.0 BUILDS (Message 40097)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING FOR UPCOMING 6.13.3 BUILD

Howdy Folks,

I'm getting ready to release a new build of 6.13, this new build contains changes to support volunteer storage. You can see some of the details here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VolunteerStorage

Basically when you upgrade to this build there will be some changes to the client_state.xml file which will make it incompatible with older client software.

I strongly suggest making a backup copy of the data directory before upgrading to the new build just in case something happens and you need to roll-back to an earlier build of BOINC.


----- Rom


When you upgrade to this build from any 6.12 or previous versions, or from 6.13.0 or 6.13.1, then do know that here will be some changes to the client_state.xml file which will make it incompatible with older client software. We strongly suggest making a backup copy of the data directory before upgrading to the new build just in case something happens and you need to roll-back to an earlier build of BOINC.


EXTRA WARNING

The new BOINC 6.13 range is using completely new, from the ground up rewritten code for many of its parts. It is not to be used if you are not an alpha tester. It is not to be used on all of your machines, just on one. When it doesn't work, report your problems to the developers and return to the latest 6.12.recommended.

At this time we're specifically testing whether or not the new CPU/GPU scheduling code works without using debt, and if projects will fetch work.

This is not a version that you install and walk away from, it needs constant checking, including the use of all the correct client configuration flags. Make sure your log files are of sufficient size so you can log through the night.

Minimum required flags to report with are <cpu_sched_debug>, <rr_simulation>, <sched_op_debug>, <work_fetch_debug>

Do not run experimental versions of BOINC on live projects, unless you also subscribe to the associated BOINC Alpha email list, and have time to read and act upon any recall or hotfix notices for builds which turn out to be buggy.

Remember, these early 6.13s are not for prolonged use if you aren't going to send regular logs back to the developer. These versions will only annoy the heck out of you, since they will do work fetch completely different from what you have come to expect of BOINC. Just don't use it if you're not serious about it!


If you must be bleeding edge without being an alpha tester, and things go wrong, you only have yourself to blame. Don't say we didn't warn you... :-)
8955) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 40094)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
INCOMPATIBILITY WARNING FOR UPCOMING 6.13.3 BUILD

Howdy Folks,

I'm getting ready to release a new build of 6.13, this new build contains changes to support volunteer storage. You can see some of the
details here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VolunteerStorage

Basically when you upgrade to this build there will be some changes to the client_state.xml file which will make it incompatible with older client software.

I strongly suggest making a backup copy of the data directory before upgrading to the new build just in case something happens and you need to roll-back to an earlier build of BOINC.


----- Rom


David Anderson wrote:
To clarify:
When you upgrade to 6.13.3, everything should work normally; jobs in progress will continue to run.

If you downgrade from 6.13.3 to an earlier version, jobs in progress will disappear. You'll still be attached to all your projects. The client will fetch work from them; typically it will be re-issued the previous jobs, and will start them from the beginning.

-- David
8956) Message boards : GPUs : Is it possible to run GPI project concurrently with non-GPI projects (Message 40090)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When it's the only GPU project, it normally will continue to use the GPU alone.
That is, as long as you use one of the BOINC 6.12.3x versions, which have all the latest CPU & GPU scheduler fixes.

Don't use 6.13 as that one is only an alpha tester's dream.
8957) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on x64 (Message 40089)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Downloaded the _x64 version of BOINC

Which version?
Where did you download it from, Berkeley or your repositories?
8958) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40088)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've had a chat with the BOINC developers on this one. The cause is this: "Basically the client stalls during initialization while attempting to detect CAL devices. Originally the API just errored out. Now cal_init() hangs."

Now, the only workaround they can think of is to "just skip GPU detection altogether when BOINC is installed as a service on Windows". But this will mean that when BOINC is installed as a service on Windows XP, that there the GPU detection will be disabled as well. To date the detection of the GPU while installed as a service would only not work on Windows 7 and Vista, XP would do it (since in XP the drivers are still in the same session as the limited user account).

So that would mean that either BOINC has to detect on which Windows version it's installed in before it decides to check whether a GPU is present and only do so when it's installed as a service... Or the developers will just disable the GPU detection all-together when installed as a service. I don't know which one they choose, let that be a surprise. ;-)
8959) Message boards : Projects : LHC@Home a.k.a Test4Theory..now SIXTRACK a.k.a LHC@Home 1.0?? (Message 40074)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
After yet another change to their URL, they now seem to live at http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/index.php. Let's hope that one stays their address for now.
8960) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU usage too high??? (Message 40049)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And if that doesn't help, you must be using the local preferences which override all the same web-preferences. You must either set that preference in the local preferences, or clear them. (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences)
8961) Message boards : Questions and problems : iMac Temps & BOINC (Message 40036)
Posted 6 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally it isn't harmful if the computer runs the CPU cores at that high a heat. But if you don't trust it, you can tell BOINC to use less cores, by adjusting the "On multiprocessors, use at most xx% of the processors". Set it to 50% for instance to only use 2 cores.

You don't say if you run Windows or OS X on that system. But if it's Windows, you can also turn to the third party Tthrottle.
8962) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40035)
Posted 6 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only issue that normally comes up when BOINC is installed as a service on Windows 7 and Vista, is that since BOINC runs in its own limited user account, it won't be able to detect whether the system has a GPU on board or not. This is because the drivers for the videocard run in a different session than the user accounts do.

When BOINC is not installed as a service, it runs in your admin/user account, which normally runs in the same session as the drivers, and as such BOINC can then detect the GPU.

I run BOINC through a shortcut from my desktop (Right click desktop->New->Shortcut->location of item is in my case "C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach (with quotes)->Next->Named BOINC->OK.), which works without a flaw. The "--detach" command closes the DOS box window that otherwise would have to remain open for the client to run.

One way why it wouldn't work as a scheduled task would be a permission problem, as far as I can see, where you installed it as admin and try to run it as someone not in the boinc_admins or boinc_users groups. Another way why it wouldn't work is that you close the DOS box without the --detach command.
8963) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver issues in client versions 6.12.33 & 6.12.34. (Message 40023)
Posted 5 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
We'll need some more information, like:
* Which Windows version, and is it fully up-to-date?
* Which projects are you attached to?
* On what brand and model videocard and what version drivers?
** Are you using the GPU on this videocard, or the GPU on another videocard, for calculations?
* Is this the BOINC screen saver or a project screen saver?
-- The BOINC screen saver shows a list of projects you're attached to, with for each how many credits and RAC, interluded with a BOINC logo. Any of the project screen savers will show more project specific information.
* Can you view graphics in any format (small, maximized window) and get out of it?


8964) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40016)
Posted 5 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have tested this and see that it isn't so much a problem with the manager or client, but with the boincsvcctrl.exe (BOINC Service Control) program. Why that has a problem, I don't know. I have forwarded all my tests and conclusions, plus this thread, to the developers. Something for them to figure out.
8965) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boincstats overrule all my changed accounts (Message 40013)
Posted 5 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have connected through an account manager. Without account keys, this manager won't be able to connect you to any of the projects you yourself chose to connect to. There was no-one pointing any deadly weapons at you when you chose to do so, was there? :)

And as such, through the account manager, you can also choose to no longer connect to these projects. To do so, go to http://boincstats.com/bam/resources.php and choose for each project that you do not want to connect to any longer, the option of "Detach all hosts now". Make sure to click the Update button at the bottom of this page.

Next open BOINC Manager and sync with BAM (look for "Synch with account manager" in the menus). You can now attach to any project by attaching to a project. Never ever again use the "Use account manager" option again, but instead use the "Add project" option in the "add to wizard".

If you want to get rid of the account at BAM!, that's not possible. For much the same reason that you cannot delete your account at any project: Some day in the future, you will have a change of heart and want to go use this project/that AMS again, and then you'll be horrified to find that your precious account is gone and you will want it back, have tantrums and fights over it on forums, and in the end find you must then make a new account anyway. To make sure this never happens, no projects, nor account managers will throw away accounts.

You do not want to use it any longer, for now? That's possible.
Go to this page, edit what you can and fill in humbug, onzin.
Next go to this page, check all projects and click Update.

The last bit is in case you remember anything you filled in at the place where you're supposed to fill in humbug, onzin, and you attach to the account manager again. That way there are no projects registered in this account manager, for you to attach to and have more fits over.

--------------------------------------------
Do know that neither BOINC, nor the University of Berkeley California, nor the developers of BOINC have any say in what happens on account managers. Any problem you have with the account manager, you will have to take up with the account manager developer/administrator.

You're allowed to complain about it on these forums, as long as you keep it civil and do not attack the other volunteers trying to help you. Doing so will give them the right to attack you back --but that usually ends up in a fight with me locking or hiding the thread-- or to completely ignore you for any future posts you make --but that ends with you not getting any help either.
8966) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc no longer connects in protected (service) mode (Message 40011)
Posted 5 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version(s) is this with?
And what do you mean with "BOINC Manager would no longer connect", or "boincmgr cannot connect"? Is that the error where BOINC Manager reports it cannot connect to a client, or do you mean BOINC won't connect to the internet?

Do know that BOINC Manager is only a graphical user interface that allows you to easily give commands to the underlying client. It doesn't do any of the connecting to the internet as such, that's the work of the client (BOINC). The client can easily run without any BOINC Manager. Hence why I ask what the "won't connect" part is.

8967) Message boards : Questions and problems : OSX Lion - not authorized - 6.12.35 for Mac OS X (Message 40008)
Posted 5 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you try the advice given, to reinstall BOINC? As that normally fixes the missing permissions. Else see Wiki: Selecting which users may run BOINC Manager
8968) Message boards : Projects : LHC@Home a.k.a Test4Theory..now SIXTRACK a.k.a LHC@Home 1.0?? (Message 39992)
Posted 3 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am not a member of the Czech National Team on LHC 1.0
Fixed that...
8969) Message boards : BOINC client : Windows2008R2: the service stopped working after reboot (Message 39966)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file (you can open it up with Notepad, no need for an XML reader), and if it exists, your global_prefs_override.xml file?

You can find these in your BOINC Data directory, which according to you log is at C:\misc\Program Files\BOINC
8970) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39964)
Posted 31 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yoyo@Home is back, their forums are still gone: 404 - Not Found, that's not good.

The Rechenkraft forums are now back. They're recovering from a hack-attack. The general advice (in German) is, if you have an account on their forums, that you log in and change your password ASAP. Same advice if you have an account on their Wiki.
8971) Message boards : BOINC client : Windows2008R2: the service stopped working after reboot (Message 39963)
Posted 31 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I see that your first time (log) states that BOINC wasn't installed as a service. Did you uninstall & reinstall BOINC and made the choice to install as a protected application execution mode?
Did you reboot after that installation, to finalize the making of the BOINC limited user accounts and groups?
Or did you make a service installation from the regular installation through a 3rd party app?

Is that machine a domain controller?
For if it is, BOINC 6 is incompatible with DCs.
8972) Message boards : BOINC client : Help About BOINC Client Development (Message 39949)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You will have to tell us what you're planning to do.
Do you want to set up a BOINC project? Or do you, as the title of this thread implies, want to compile the BOINC client?

8973) Message boards : Questions and problems : How does BOINC decide which project to request work from? (Message 39948)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's difficult to explain by itself, but nearly impossible to do so without you giving a clue as to what your hardware is (amount of CPUs and GPUs really), and which projects you run, at what resource share (you mentioned that in passing), switch between (science) applications time and whether you use the default (project given) applications of specially optimised ones for additions to your CPU (MMX, SSE, SSE2 etc.) Then what your setting is for the connect to interval, plus the additional days worth of cache.

Topped off with whether you run BOINC continuously 24/7, or only let it do work when the computer is idle, or that you only allow BOINC to do work for (say) 8 hours a day and shut the computer down the rest of the day.

Lastly, whether you let BOINC do all this for itself, or that you interfere (intervene) by pausing some projects to allow others to go do fetch.

But most of the time the fluctuations you may see is due to debt and projects having no work or them being down.

Tech stuff you may want to look at:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSched
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/GpuSched
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/GpuWorkFetch
and just to throw all those out the window, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSchedOctTen (the latter being the new scheme being tested in 6.13).
8974) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Feature request - auto update (Message 39927)
Posted 28 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Asked plenty of times, but isn't going to happen due to permission problems and security vulnerabilities. Besides, think about the loads of different versions of Linux out there, where an app can work one day and not the next; you don't want that to auto-update. At least when you update the app yourself, you know it's updated.

BOINC will warn in the Messages and the Notices that a newer version of BOINC is available, when a newer version is released.
8975) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 39919)
Posted 28 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Before I get more PMs...I am not helping you out with finding the email address. It's there in plain sight if you look for it.

The developers at T4T have asked me not to do anything more. You won't be able to get an invitation code out-right anyway. T4T is just setting up a page now to let people apply for an invitation code by sending them their emails and when they want to open up more they can take them off the wait list. So it's not something I have anything to say over.

This page should be finished in about a day or two. Until that time, you can try to find the email address.
8976) Message boards : Projects : No CPU Intensive projects - List (Message 39902)
Posted 27 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want credits, then yes. As their science application on interacts with the detector.

Another NCI project is Quake Catcher Network, which requires an external seismic detector or internal accelerometer in the computer (laptops have them).
http://qcn.stanford.edu/qcnalpha/
8977) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc Manager will not spawn browser (Message 39897)
Posted 27 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this FAQ, which should have all the correct steps.
8978) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 6.12.33 (x86) Feedback (Message 39895)
Posted 27 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dismissing people and their opinions in such an arrogant way is a better method of losing volunteers than the "scary" information in the messages tab.

If you don't like the message, I can't help that. If you don't like the method in which you got the message, perhaps it's time for you to start patenting how to write messages on a forums where one can read the facial expressions of the writer, so you manage to know if what I wrote was meant to be arrogant or not. Until that time, it's all in the way that you read it. :-)

It wasn't my decision that the Messages tab isn't coming back, but that of the (3) BOINC developers, who have more urgent priorities on their plate than just the demand of a few that they won't update until the messages tab is back.

There were 7,700 new users to BOINC on T4T lately, of whom I have seen no-one complain about the Notices tab or them missing a Messages tab, but instead having a Messages window. Now then, why do people who have run BOINC for a while then think they can tell the developers that their decision is a wrong one, that requires to be withdrawn or else they'll never update again in their further life? You haven't even tried it for a while, it may grow on you. And if not, well, there's 3rd party options available, or a workaround through which you can run an older BOINC Manager on a newer client.

BOINC is Open Source. You can get the source code and build it into the image you so desire.

What everyone always forgets is that when you are helping a new person and need his messages, you tell him to turn the Messages tab on. You get his messages, tell him what's wrong and then dismiss him and forget about him. No one ever tells the new user how to turn the messages tab BACK OFF. At each BOINC Manager start the messages tab is now activated with all those scary messages scrolling past, all of which can be perceived as error messages. At least with the messages window, you can close it and it won't be back at a next BOINC Manager start.

What everyone also forgets is that BOINC is being paid by the National Science Foundation in the USA. These people will want that people applying for grants make their continued project different than from the last grant request. BOINC Manager was virtually unchanged for 5 years. Now it's going through some major refurbishments, with a lot of changes still to come.

You don't want to update because you don't like something in the program? That's your own decision. It's not a group decision, nor is anyone forcing you to update or not.
8979) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 6.12.33 (x86) Feedback (Message 39891)
Posted 27 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I agree with the people above who want the messages tab back.

It isn't coming back. So you'll either be stuck on some 6.10 version then or you'll have to switch to a 3rd party BOINC Manager. Or go program and build your own.

Gareth Lock wrote:
Does anyone know a fix for this annoying bug that's crept into 6.12.33?

Yes, it's called 6.12.34.
8980) Message boards : Questions and problems : BONIC Runtime Error Message keep being received (Message 39876)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is either done by:
- Snooze: right click the BOINC Manager icon in the system tray, is there a checkmark before Snooze? If so, click it to uncheck Snooze.
- Activity menu: what is the setting for CPU? If Suspend, put it back to "Run based on preferences".
8981) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Screen saver on multiple monitors? (Message 39873)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The limitation lies in the OpenGL used, that's OpenGL 1.0 and 1.1, which can't do multiple monitors without multiple videocards, or a videocard with multiple RAMDACs.
8982) Message boards : Questions and problems : BONIC Runtime Error Message keep being received (Message 39866)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes,as Claggy said, make sure you;'re in the correct tab. You are now in the TASKS tab, so any tasks you select there and suspend, will suspend them individually.

You however suspended these tasks through the PROJECTS tab. Go there, select the projects you suspended and click the resume button. If need be one by one.
8983) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC reset my jobs when WIN starts (Message 39858)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I run Spinhenge as well and already saw that it checkpoints, but it does it internally. It won't show in BOINC's messages. It will show in the active stderr.txt in the slot directory.

in mc_server: found checkpoint file, res_name: spin.state
in read_checkpoint_file: found checkpoint file ...
in mc_server: reading checkpoint successful ...
8984) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC reset my jobs when WIN starts (Message 39851)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, before we blame BOINC, how about you attach to another project? There are plenty to choose from.
8985) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC reset my jobs when WIN starts (Message 39848)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, good catch. I hadn't caught that one. :-)
8986) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC reset my jobs when WIN starts (Message 39844)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to your tasks list, something or someone is aborting all your work.

You're saying this happens on a work computer?
Do you have permission to run BOINC?
Does the IT department have access (through the network) you your computer/BOINC? Could they be aborting all your work (when you're not at the computer)?
8987) Message boards : The Lounge : Be good all... (Message 39840)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two pictures from dinner. With thanks to Rom's grandfather for making them.



It's David A. at the head of the table.
Then David Coss to his left (upcoming project), who has me to his left and next to me is Holly, my girlfriend.
On David A's right (always hidden) is Matthew Blumberg (Grid Republic), who is sitting next to Rom Walton and at the end of 'our table' is Rom's grandmother.

When you peer into the background on picture 1, you see Willy de Zutter from BOINCStats directly underneath the left speaker in the back.
8988) Message boards : Questions and problems : BONIC Runtime Error Message keep being received (Message 39838)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
These forums don't support attachments. If you want to add screen shots, you have to use external sites such as Photobucket or Imageshack.

Watch out with posting the thumbnails, they usually don't translate to larger pictures.
8989) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC reset my jobs when WIN starts (Message 39835)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please link to either your computer or your account at Spinhenge, or else tell us the hostID number or the accountID number? The only rex I can find there hasn't been active since 2007.
8990) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC reset my jobs when WIN starts (Message 39833)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project or projects is this with?
Do these projects checkpoint?
8991) Message boards : Server programs : Customize scheduler policy? (Message 39829)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you mean User-submitted jobs?

Or do you mean the <user_filter>0|1</user_filter> option (If set, use the "batch" field of workunits to select which user is allowed to process the job. If batch is nonzero, only send the job to the user with that ID.)?
8992) Message boards : Questions and problems : processor usage preferences? (Message 39826)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check that BOINC is set to run based on preferences (Run always overrides the time-of-day preferences), and that the boinctray.exe tool is running. Boinctray.exe is the idle detection tool, without it the time-of-day preferences will not start on Windows 7 and Vista.

My system's set to run each day between 21:00 and 07:00, but for Sat & Sun, then it's free to race again. It's following that without trouble.

23/08/2011 21:00:00 | Cosmology@Home | Restarting task wu_082211_045138_0_0_0 using camb version 216
23/08/2011 21:00:00 | Leiden Classical | Restarting task wu_898976128_1312272503_34786_1 using classical version 556
23/08/2011 21:00:00 | Einstein@Home | Restarting task h1_0372.60_S6GC1__1870_S6BucketA_1 using einstein_S6Bucket version 101
23/08/2011 21:00:00 | surveill@home | Restarting task wu_1313621685_193295_0 using crawler version 108

..

24/08/2011 06:59:52 | Constellation | [checkpoint] result trackjack_hyend_www.hybrid-triebwerk.de_2011-08-14_00_105329_2 checkpointed
24/08/2011 06:59:57 | Constellation | [checkpoint] result trackjack_hyend_www.hybrid-triebwerk.de_2011-08-14_00_105329_2 checkpointed
24/08/2011 07:00:00 | | Suspending computation - time of day
24/08/2011 07:00:00 | Constellation | [cpu_sched] Preempting trackjack_hyend_www.hybrid-triebwerk.de_2011-08-14_00_105329_2 (removed from memory)
24/08/2011 07:00:00 | Cosmology@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting wu_082311_010633_2_1_0 (removed from memory)
24/08/2011 07:00:00 | World Community Grid | [cpu_sched] Preempting E203017_941_C.27.C25H16N2.00744080.2.set1d06_0 (removed from memory)
24/08/2011 07:00:00 | Einstein@Home | [cpu_sched] Preempting h1_0372.60_S6GC1__1894_S6BucketA_2 (removed from memory)
24/08/2011 07:00:00 | surveill@home | [cpu_sched] Preempting wu_1313621685_230590_0 (left in memory)
8993) Message boards : Questions and problems : BONIC Runtime Error Message keep being received (Message 39817)
Posted 23 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you sure you selected all the projects that you suspended when you went to resume them? Not selecting all of them is the only way that some stayed as Project suspended by user.
8994) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc manager still opens (Message 39816)
Posted 23 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
On all the other user accounts run BOINC Manager once, in it set:
In BOINC 6.12 and above: Advanced view->Tools->Display and network options->General, uncheck "Run Manager at login?"->OK.
In BOINC 6.10 and below: Advanced view->Advanced->Options->General, uncheck "Run Manager at login?"->OK.

By the way, the option in the installer doesn't say "install for all users" or "run for all users", but "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC". It only sets whether other user accounts on the computer can or not use BOINC Manager, not whether or not they can start it up. A bit counter-intuitive, I know. I'll ask the developers for a fix.
8995) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 39811)
Posted 23 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, it's compatible with BOINC.
Account creation is temporarily by invite only during the push to 10,000 users, after that it'll be closed again during the rest of the Beta test.

So, how do you get an invitation code?
All I can say is that if you search through the links on the T4T front page, that the email addresses of some of the Admin are available in some place (secured with a reCaptcha).
8996) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not getting new task...! (Message 39800)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How about giving some more information, as requested in this thread?

Also please post the contents of your global_prefs.xml file and when it's present, the contents of your global_prefs_override.xml file. You can find these files in your BOINC Data directory. Default places for this data directory can be found in this FAQ.
8997) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39798)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yoyo@Home is back, their forums are still gone: 404 - Not Found, that's not good.
8998) Message boards : Questions and problems : BONIC Runtime Error Message keep being received (Message 39795)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a BOINC error. If anything, it's a Microsoft error, since Visual C++ is their stuff. But even then, it is one of the science applications that's giving this error.

Which projects are you attach to?
Which projects have running tasks when you see this error?
What if you make BOINC use only 1 CPU (core) and you go switch between tasks? Which project then has that error?

You will have to complain at that project's forums about this error. It's nothing we can do about it. Sorry. (Even though it sounds like it's missing a DLL file).
8999) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't upload when using dsl 512/64 (Message 39778)
Posted 21 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, add this cc_config.xml file to the other computers:

<cc_config>
<options>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
</options>
</cc_config>


This switches BOINC from using HTTP 1.1 to HTTP 1.0 which that ISP apparently still uses.
9000) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't upload when using dsl 512/64 (Message 39775)
Posted 21 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, looks like the HTTP 1.0 switch has fixed things for you. Have you now reported all those tasks for Seti?
9001) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't upload when using dsl 512/64 (Message 39771)
Posted 21 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, we're adding some flags, including the one Gundolf said to use.

Make your cc_config.xml file look like this:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
<http_debug>1</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
</options>
</cc_config>

Then exit & restart BOINC, let it contact Seti & Primegrid again and post us that log, please.
9002) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't upload when using dsl 512/64 (Message 39767)
Posted 21 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you show what more it says for Primegrid, please? I ask as Seti has its own connection problems that hit some and not others. You may have that problem on the one ISP.
9003) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't suspend when using switch users (Message 39765)
Posted 21 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will only suspend when using "fast user switching" when you use a GPU to do calculations with. And then only when boinctray.exe (the idle detection program) is running.

Of course BOINC does not recognize that other users are using the machine, since with fast user switching you merely put the active session into the background, and a new one in the foreground, it does not change protocols or desktops. This is a Windows feature, not a BOINC bug.

Workarounds?
- As you say, log off.
- Or install as a service (protected application execution, requires you to uninstall & reinstall BOINC) and set BOINC up to only run when the machine is otherwise idle. Then make sure that under each Windows user account the boinctray.exe process starts.
9004) Message boards : Questions and problems : BONIC Runtime Error Message keep being received (Message 39746)
Posted 20 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is one of the science applications crashing, but I haven't a clue which one. You should be able to find that out by looking in BOINC Manager.

And then you'll have to complain on the forums of that project about their app crashing with that error. By the way, it's BOINC, not BONIC. Your BOINC Data directory lives at C:\ProgramData\BOINC\, not C:\ProgramData\BONIC\

BOINC stands for Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing.
9005) Message boards : Server programs : BOINC from very begining (Message 39738)
Posted 20 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So I have ordered virtual server

What do you mean with this comment? That you downloaded the BOINC Server VM? Or did you buy some program that can run VMs? (If so, why not use open source?)
9006) Message boards : Server programs : BOINC from very begining (Message 39736)
Posted 20 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you check out http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain and then specifically Tutorial #1: Quick start and Tutorial #2: Project Creation Cookbook?

Also check this thread, if you're still stuck and no-one else answers here within the next 24 hours.
9007) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39731)
Posted 20 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yoyo@Home is gone again. "The server on www.rechenkraft.net could not be found."
Oh well...
9008) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't upload when using dsl 512/64 (Message 39730)
Posted 20 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
the cc_config file didn't resolve my problem

You didn't even post the log I asked about, so how do you know? The cc_config.xml flags don't solve anything, they show extra information as to what might be the problem, and can be read by those who know how to read it.

So please, post the log that shows a contact with a project on the affected internet connection, while you run with those debug flags.
9009) Message boards : The Lounge : Be good all... (Message 39699)
Posted 16 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll be going to the BOINC Workshop in Hannover for the next couple of days. I hope that everyone around here is mature enough to keep things as quiet as possible, so Kathryn doesn't have to come out of her hibernation and slap you a new one? :-)

In case you're going as well, then I'll see you over there. Nice, a couple of days away from anything internet. Relaxed. See ya all after the weekend. :-)
9010) Message boards : Questions and problems : I only want GPU processing mode, not CPU, is possible ? (Message 39687)
Posted 16 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's not a BOINC Manager setting, but a project preferences setting.
And only used for the GPU application that the project gives out by default.

E.g. Einstein project prefs will show:

Use CPU
Enforced by version 6.10+  yes/no
Use NVIDIA GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+  yes/no

This is because Einstein only has CUDA (Nvidia) applications.

On a project like Milkyway@Home it'll show:

Use CPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ yes/no
Use ATI GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ yes/no
Use NVIDIA GPU
Enforced by version 6.10+ yes/no


But do know, that all GPU applications still use the CPU. There is no GPU application that runs completely on the GPU. You still need the CPU to translate the contents of the task to something the GPU can understand, plus to transport this translated data to the GPU's memory. Then when the GPU is done with the calculations, the CPU will transport that data back, translate it back to something the humans understand and write it to disk.

It then depends on how many tasks you run at the same time on the GPU to know how much load the CPU endures. But totally running without the CPU is impossible.
9011) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39685)
Posted 15 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For those few following Pirates@Home who are wondering where it went, a hard drive died in the system. Eric is trying to replace the whole system now, but not with a hurry. So it'll return again, in time.
9012) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 39683)
Posted 15 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Great. :-)
You're welcome.
9013) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39680)
Posted 15 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Docking@Home is also back from having been gone. Not a clue what happened there, nothing posted on their site.
9014) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about Do not crunch on Battery (Message 39674)
Posted 15 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, that went far enough. I'm not sure what everyone in this thread ate, drank, sniffed or got through osmosis, but you better stop it. Obscene & Flame/Hate mail. Wow. Well, whatever. Locked.
9015) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39667)
Posted 14 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like Docking dropped off the radar. Complete site is down as well.
9016) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question about Do not crunch on Battery (Message 39665)
Posted 14 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, what do you want of them then? You're not allowed to pull the plug as that could damage something and lose your warranty, but you do want to test whether this preference runs on your UPS?

I can tell you, of course not. A UPS is not there to keep your system running while the power is out. A UPS is there to allow you to power down the electrical equipment attached to it in a normal fashion, when the power is out, and to protect against power spikes, sags and surges.
9017) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't run with Carbonite (Message 39651)
Posted 13 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like Carbonite runs at a higher priority than the science applications under BOINC. Or you have the "Suspend work if CPU usage is above 25%" option enabled, by which all non-BOINC programs that run at thus a high amount of CPU cycles (measured on one core) will suspend work done on BOINC.

Why do you need to run Carbonite 24/7? Why can't you put it in a scheduler?
And really, if this is a problem, you should first and foremost report it at Carbonite's developers. It looks like BOINC does work as it should.
9018) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot Attach to Project_Team's Founder Linkage Error (Message 39639)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
> ---- David Anderson<dave>> wrote:
>
>Accounts are created with the password you used on the
>BOINC-wide teams site.
>-- David

David is wrong.

Besides, it even says it on the BWT page: "Your password and/or profile are NOT copied to other projects. To access your account on other projects, you must get your account key via email. You can then set your password." & "Only team owner accounts are copied to other projects."
9019) Message boards : News : LHC@home 2.0 begins public testing (Message 39633)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Daniel Lombraña González wrote:
We are flabbergasted! Interest in LHC@home 2.0 has exceeded our wildest dreams, following the huge press coverage that a brief mention in a CERN press release got us. Thank you, everyone!

Yesterday we reached nearly 8000 registered volunteers, which pushed the number of computers simultaneously connected to our server well over 1000. To give you an idea, with just 100 simultaneous connections we had already reached the equivalent of all the computing power at CERN that Test4Theory project physicists have access to. So getting more than 10x that in just a few days boggled our minds - and also bogged down our servers!

Since yesterday, we had to put further eager participants on hold while we sort out how to handle this huge amount of support. You can read a more detailed technical summary of the problems we encountered - and how we are fixing them - here. We're going to open gradually to more participants in the near future. We'll then stabilize for a while before further increases.

This was announced as a beta-test to explore the limitations of our system, and we certainly succeeded in doing that, thanks to your support. Particular thanks to all our experienced BOINC users in the forums who have been patiently explaining to newcomers that this sort of thing is normal in a beta-test. And hats off to our technical crew (which is basically just Artem and Anton in Geneva and Daniel in Madrid) who have been working literally around the clock to get the system running smoothly again.

In the meantime, if you are new to the field of volunteer computing, we warmly encourage you to browse here some of the many other exciting science projects you can contribute to, using the same BOINC platform that LHC@home is running on. And if you'd like to be kept up to date on LHC@home 2.0 progress, so you can be first in line when we are ready to accept more volunteers, just subscribe to the RSS feed for this News list.

The LHC@home 2.0 Team

Source.
9020) Message boards : News : LHC@home 2.0 begins public testing (Message 39632)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Artem Harutyunyan wrote:
Dear All,

Following unexpected posts on major news sites on 11th of August we have started seeing the exponential growth of number of connected virtual machines. Every minute several new virtual machines were popped up. Just to give you a rough idea, before, when we were only on major tech blogs and news sites the shape of the curve which was showing the number of active virtual machines looked like this, after BBC and MSNBC wrote about LHC@home the shape of the curve in no time became like this.

Some of connected virtual machines apparently had problems with the application software (causes are still under investigation), and so they were getting jobs from our queues, were failing to run them, were reporting them back and were asking for more jobs. CernVM Co-Pilot (the framework that we use to distribute jobs from CERN into Virtual Machines and gather the results back) normally takes about a couple of seconds to generate a job request in a Virtual Machine, send it over to the server, pick the waiting job from the queue, prepare it, send it for execution, and start running it in the Virtual Machine. So, as you can imagine, with about 1000 active virtual machines, out of which several were 'rogue' and were basically doing nothing but draining the job server, our queues became empty very fast. We quickly ended up with queues, which were draining faster than our scripts could possibly feed them.

Normally, this would not have not been a problem at all: Virtual Machines were not supposed to jump on servers all at once when the queues were empty. There is a built-in mechanism which would make them exponentially back off, precisely for the reason of not overloading our servers. Everything would have been good, if we did not have a bug which prevented our exponential back off algorithm from working, and instead turned all our virtual machines into cannons which were firing at our server hundreds of requests in a second. Because of that we had to turn our servers down and empty the BOINC server queue (has nothing to do with the Co-Pilot queue). This meant that BOINC clients would not pop up new Virtual Machines anymore.

It took a while to figure the problem out, the updated code was pushed into CernVM File System repository about 2AM on August 12th (GMT +2), and the server was configured to prevent agents with the buggy code from connecting at about 10 AM on August 12th (because the bug is still there and they would still be flooding us). We put an announcement on the forums asking users to reboot (to make sure they pick up the updated code). After that the system started working again. Currently there are about 300 concurrently active machines. These are the users who got virtual machines before we emptied BOINC server queue and who rebooted them after our announcement. We are currently planning to slowly start adding new Work Units to BOINC server queue (100 at a time), which means that virtual machines should start to pop up on registered users' machines soon.

Our initial goal was to recruit about 2,000 volunteers (remember, we just wanted to do a Beta test) so that several hundreds of them would be active all the time. We carried out alpha tests with about 300 registered volunteers (which would peak up to 100 online volunteers). As you will soon read in the other, more general announcement that we are about to publish on our main page, we are already very close to having 8,000 registered volunteers. We will try to slowly ramp that number up to 10,000 after which we plan to stabilize for a while before future increases.

We would like to ask everyone to remember that we are still in Beta testing phase. Which means that outages like this are likely to happen again, in fact we do expect them to happen again. To discover and eliminate bugs we together with you are intentionally pushing the system well beyond its limits.

Last but not least, we would like to thank you all of you again, for your enthusiasm, help, patience and understanding!!!

Artem,
on behalf of LHC@home 2.0 Team.

Source.
9021) Message boards : Questions and problems : overly complicated (Message 39631)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
VirtualBox is a 3rd party application being developed by Oracle. It has nothing to do with BOINC or with how you set up BOINC. It is required for the Beta test at Test4Theory.

Any complaints you have with how the installation manual of VirtualBox is difficult to follow, are best addressed at the T4T forums (only if you have an account there already), or at the VirtualBox forums.

Best start by reading http://boinc01.cern.ch/test4theory/forum_thread.php?id=11.
9022) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 39629)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
In the mean time, here's other options to follow:

1. If you have an iDrive, uninstall or disable the application, then try the reinstall and see if that fixes things.

2. Disable your anti-virus and firewall (only 3rd party such as Zone Alarm, Symantec etc.).
Next right-click on the C:\Program Files\BOINC\ directory and choose properties. Go to "Security" tab and give FULL permissions to "Authenticated Users" & "Users (XXXX\Users)". Click OK to close everything, then try the reinstall and see if that fixes things.

3. Download the Microsoft Installer Clean Up utility and use it to remove the previous BOINC.MSI file. (Or if there's more than one, all BOINC.MSI files). Make sure to only remove the BOINC.MSI file9s), not any other .MSI file!
Then try to reinstall BOINC to see if that fixes things.

4. Check that system with an up-to-date virus scanner.
Check that system with multiple up-to-date anti-malware scanners, such as Spybot: Search and Destroy, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (free) and the Sophos anti root-kit tool.
Check that system with a registry cleaner to clean out your registry.

After all that, reboot the system, then try the installation again to see if that fixed things.

5. it is possible that certain system files are broken or corrupted.
To fix that, click Windows Start button->Run->Type cmd and click OK. In the Dos box window that opens, type sfc /scannow and press Enter. Make sure to keep your Windows installation disk ready, as it'll be needed. This will fix all bad, corrupt and missing system files. When this process is done, you'll be asked to reboot again, so do so.
9023) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 39627)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds more and more as if you have a corrupt installer.
Can you please download BOINC 6.12.34, save it to disk and then start it? Just to see what that one does.
9024) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 39625)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The installer still wants to install files into the BOINC folder even though I change the destination folder

How do you deduce that? From what is showing in the installer?
Here's what the installer does in normal cases:

1. Check that BOINC is installed on your system.
2. Add/adjust the user groups and BOINC limited user accounts.
3. Remove the old BOINC program files from the old BOINC Program files directory. (Merely a delete *.exe option)
4. Add the new executables to the BOINC Programs directory chosen in the path set in the Advanced option.
5. Offer you to start BOINC Manager and exit itself.

I think what you see is 3, that it will delete the files already there.
But hey, we can for now make BOINC 'forget' that that's there, so you can install the new BOINC to your system, then at a later time, at your leisure remove the other BOINC directory.

To make BOINC forget where it put the previous version open the registry:
First off, did you make that C:\BOINC_Programs\ directory I said you should do in my last post? If not, do so now. Windows Explorer->C: drive->New->Folder, name it BOINC_Programs ->Enter.

Next do: Windows Start button->(Accessories->)Run, type regedit and click OK.

I do want to warn, do not change anything other than what I tell you to change, as else your system may go even more haywire.

Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup
In the right pane you'll see all these key names. Select INSTALLDIR, double-click on it, and change the Value data from C:\Program Files\BOINC\ to C:\BOINC_Programs\, then click OK.
Do the same for the MIGRATIONDIR key (just to be sure).

Next exit the registry, File->Exit.

Now start the BOINC 6.12.33 installer. When you get to the 3rd screen in the installer, and you click Advanced, you will see that the BOINC Programs directory already shows as C:\BOINC_Programs\
Continue the installation. This should get your BOINC working again.

When you're this far, let me know.
9025) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 39622)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What error message do you get when you try to install BOINC?
Please start the BOINC 6.12.33 installer, then in the third screen in the installer, click Advanced.


In the window that opens, click Change next to the Programs directory...


Set the path for the BOINC programs to something different. Let's say to C:\BOINC_Programs\

Leave the path for the BOINC Data directory (by default C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC Data\ ) alone, do not change anything here.

Click Next.

Will that install BOINC?
9026) Message boards : Questions and problems : overly complicated (Message 39620)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now now, don't lambast yourself over nothing. There are no stupid questions, only those not asked.

You're welcome! :-)
9027) Message boards : Questions and problems : overly complicated (Message 39614)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The choice is to Add project or Use account manager:


BOINC Manager Simple View->Add project->Add project->List of projects to choose from, etc.
BOINC Manager Advanced View->Tools menu (top bar)->Add project or Account manager->Add project->List of projects to choose from, etc.

So why you specifically wanted to go the Use account manager route, I don't know. A BOINC Account Manager is a 3rd party website through which you can set up your BOINC, attach to multiple projects at the same time and in the case of Grid Republic also download a BOINC version with everything you set up pre-installed.
9028) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot Attach to Project_Team's Founder Linkage Error (Message 39609)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It would seem to me that if the team information was being used to create the account, then the team password would be used?

They can't do that as not only is the import done over unsecured channels, the actual file can even be read by people who merely go to BWT and download it, which is why the advice is to use an email address that isn't your main email address, in case of spammers. Plus this file is afterwards quite regularly imported again by the projects using it, to make sure newer additions are added and changes you may have made to your team advert through BWT are imported.

No passwords are hurt by sending them unprepared to the projects.

1 - Don't allow the project server to automatically create a user account

How do you make a team account, without a Founder account? How do you make a Founder account without the user account? So this can't be done.

2 - Provide some authenticator to he team founder that can be used as a substitute for the email address for situations like this

One authenticator for all projects? Not very secure. Besides, you're probably dealing with a spam filter. Check in there first.

3 - Provide an option on the BOINC-wide team website to NOT automatically create accounts

Again, without a (user) account, no Team Founder account can be made, thus no Team can be made. Or else anyone on or off the team can easily claim they're the Founder.

4 - Provide an option on the BOINC-wide team website to 'Use this password for automatically created accounts'

Again, there's no password used or submitted to the projects as the file & connection used aren't secure.

5 - Provide the option to delete accounts where the team founder has not yet attached to the project

Checked http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/delete_account.php yet?
But you probably meant at the project. Now how is a project to know that the account you are trying to delete is yours?
9029) Message boards : BOINC client : WU stuck downloading prevent getting another projects work (Message 39598)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Downloads that are stuck will eventually come in. You've had work appointed by the Seti project, it's just not in on your system yet. This isn't categorized as "No work from project", which is when Einstein as a sort of backup project would try to fetch work.
9030) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I limit backup projects to 1 WU at a time (Message 39597)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There isn't any solution to this. Even with the backup project set to backup resource share of zero, it will download a full batch according to your connect to and additional days amount and run that almost exclusively.

Since the amount of tasks at Milkyway is only 6 per CPU core/GPU per host per scheduler contact, you may want to play around with the additional days amount.
9031) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 39592)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
With 'latest version of BOINC', which version do you mean? 6.12.33, or any of the 6.13s?

Did you change anything about the installation paths of BOINC when you tried to upgrade?

That the directory is read-only is normal. All directories in Windows XP and above have the Read-Only mark activated and this cannot be undone. It doesn't mean that the files or sub-directories are read-only. You can check that on any file in the directory.

Have you checked that the permissions are still the same for the directory?
Have you checked that nothing else is taking a hold of the directory, like anti-virus or (other) anti-malware scanners?
Have you tried to reboot the system?
9032) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 39589)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
what happened?

Mind giving some more information about your system, amongst things?
9033) Message boards : News : LHC@home 2.0 begins public testing (Message 39586)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to a large influx of people, probably after the BBC article, account creation has now been disabled on T4T.
9034) Message boards : Questions and problems : Paused: Other work running - No, it's not! (Message 39585)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is the "Suspend work if CPU usage is above 25%" option that interferes, since VirtualBox is using a lot of CPU. You can either set this option to a higher percentage or zero to disable it, or decrease the "Maximum CPU % for Virtual Machine" option in the T4T project preferences.
9035) Message boards : Questions and problems : Upgrade help (Message 39580)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How to install BOINC as a service (BOINC 6 series) on Windows?
9036) Message boards : News : LHC@home 2.0 begins public testing (Message 39577)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
People with already existing Virtualbox VMs are encouraged to back up their Virtualbox.xml file before attaching to Test4Theory, just in case something happens to your existing VMs.
9037) Message boards : News : LHC@home 2.0 begins public testing (Message 39576)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Registration is at this time still open. Don't let those reCaptcha's confuse you, those are there against spam-bots.
9038) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 39575)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.35 available for testing for Macintosh.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have released BOINC 6.12.35 for the Mac alpha testing. This fixes a couple more bugs for Mac OS 10.7 Lion:
- An installer bug which sometimes caused BOINC to say it had a permissions error.
- A bug which caused Lion to open BOINC's windows on system restart.

It also adds a bit of code which is needed to support future Einstein@home GPU applications.

The changes since 6.12.34 are for the Macintosh only. Please continue testing 6.12.34 on Windows and Linux.

With your help, we would like to get it tested and released as soon as possible.

Cheers,
--Charlie



Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • Mac Client: Call NSVersionOfRunTimeLibrary("cuda") to set cc.display_driver_version (from Oliver Bock.)
  • Mac installer: Bug fixes for OS 10.7 Lion: LoginItemAPI.c did not set hidden properlty for login items, so use AppleScript instead, to prevent Lion from opening BOINC windows at system startup.
  • Fix a bug I introduced on 8 August which prevented launching WaitPermissions.app.
  • Mac uninstaller: Remove Charity Engine BOINC app if present.

9039) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot Attach to Project_Team's Founder Linkage Error (Message 39569)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you are a Team Founder and you registered your team through BOINC Wide Teams (BWT), it is possible that these projects have imported your team. In that case your account has already been made on these projects, but you can't log in until you add your own password to them.

Here's how you do that:
Go to any of these project's their log in page and click the small blue "Forgot password?" link. This will put you on a page where you can either fill in your email address or the project account key. Since you won't have the latter, as you aren't attached, we use the email option. Fill in the email address with which you registered your account at BWT or this project. An email will be sent to this email address, so go there.

When logged in on the email address and having received the email (also check your spam folders in case the email doesn't seem to come in within a couple of minutes), click the link in the email. This is a temporary -24 hour- log-in link for that project only. You arrive in your account on that project and can now set a password and save that. Then you can attach to that project using that email address and that password.

You will have to do this for all the projects you have this problem with.

If you aren't a Team Founder, you can still use the above method to log in on your account.
9040) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 6.12.33 (x86) Feedback (Message 39557)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your notices will update as soon as your BOINC contacts any of the projects it is attached to and which have a reasonably updated BOINC server software that does notices.

Notices will be messages that require a user's attention, or which are (project) news. Things you can do something about, such as a project unable to fetch work --because you chose the wrong application for which there is no work-- will give a Notice.

Things you cannot do anything about, such as Server is down messages, will only show in the Event Log, not in the Notices. This is done to make BOINC's messages less scary for newer people. Plenty of them were just uninstalling BOINC, because they saw all messages as errors. So those messages have been hidden even further.

No, there won't be a Messages tab anymore in any future version.
9041) Message boards : News : LHC@home 2.0 begins public testing (Message 39549)
Posted 9 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please, before attaching to this project, do read the instructions on the project's front page about the installation of VirtualBox. Without this installation, this project will not work.

Also see their FAQ for frequently answered questions. Just so you don't have to ask it again on their forums.
9042) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Request: Hierarchical project ordering (Message 39545)
Posted 9 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The projects themselves need to be running the updated back-end code as well, for that option to work. I'm not sure that either Rosetta or CPDN are running that code.
9043) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to stop Boinc from auto starting on system boot? (Message 39526)
Posted 8 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
But the first thing it does is test

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager]
"DisableAutoStart"=dword:00000001

Ah yes, that was the one. However, I just pointed out that the HKLM key is always there, in that fashion, just so people don't think that deleting it from there will fix their auto-start 'problem'. Deleting that entry may even bring unwanted error messages in pop-ups.
9044) Message boards : Questions and problems : Tasks not making any progress (Message 39523)
Posted 8 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
>While Computer is on batteries: OFF
>While Computer is in use: ON
>Use GPU while computer is in use: OFF
>Only after computer has been idle for: 20.00 minutes????
NOTE: I am not sure what that does

The "minutes" part tells when the computer should use the parts that can only be used when the computer is idle (no one on the keyboard or mouse). In this case, it's for when your laptop is on batteries and when to use a GPU if one is present.

>While processor usage is less than: 20%

Is this the "Suspend work if CPU usage is above" option?
If so, that impacts all non-BOINC programs. It'll mean that any non-BOINC program running at 20% CPU cycles or more for the duration of 10 seconds will suspend your BOINC for at least 10 seconds more. This is because the 'non-BOINC detection cycle' is 10 seconds.
>Use at most: 30% of CPU time.

This means that at any time BOINC runs that per 10 seconds it run 3 seconds and pauses everything for 7 seconds. If you have that much problems with heat, either tell BOINC to use even less CPUs (On multiprocessors, use at most 2 of the processors), or get a laptop cooler.

I don't know what your setting is for "Connect to" and "Additional work", but anything over 0.01 and 0.1 may already be too much if you insist on running at 30% CPU time.
9045) Message boards : BOINC Manager : How to stop Boinc from auto starting on system boot? (Message 39519)
Posted 8 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It is in the registry:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]
"boincmgr"="\"C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\boincmgr.exe\" /a /s"

Yes, but that one doesn't do the autostart of the manager, as I have it as well and mine doesn't autostart.

Instead, it's the ENABLELAUNCHATLOGON key at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup that does the autostart. 1 will make it autostart, 0 or no value will not.
9046) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Client for CentOS 6? (Message 39518)
Posted 8 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The error you see isn't a BOINC error, but a project error. World Community Grid doesn't seem to have an application for your specific Linux derivation. This is something you will have to take up with them, on their own forums.
9047) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 6.12.33 fails to find GPU (Message 39508)
Posted 8 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reboot your system first. That may break the spell.
Else try to reinstall 6.12.26, see if that one can still see the GPU.
If that one is also 'broken', reinstall your videocard drivers.

(before other people point out the daemon thing, it's Windows XP. That one can run BOINC as a daemon/service & use GPUs).
9048) Message boards : Questions and problems : BSoD Running SETI @ Home (Message 39498)
Posted 7 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I always find faulty motherboards the most difficult to test, as it normally means you have to exchange everything on there --RAM, cards, CPU, fans, attachments (like power cords)-- before you can be reasonably certain that it is the motherboard at fault.

Good luck with the testing, let us know what it was when you know it.
Now you know as well that BOINC is a good stress-tester. :-)
9049) Message boards : Questions and problems : BSoD Running SETI @ Home (Message 39496)
Posted 7 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/137539

This error message can occur if either of the following conditions exists:

- Your computer has hardware or software problems (hardware failure is the most common cause).
- You try to over clock the speed of your computer's processor (for example, you set a 150 MhZ processor to run at 187 MhZ).

The above STOP error means a trap occurred in kernel mode and the trap is either one the kernel is not allowed to have or is always fatal. The most common causes of a STOP 0x7F are:

- Low-level hardware corruption, such as corrupt memory (RAM)
- Mismatched memory modules
- A malfunctioning motherboard

To determine an approximate cause, examine the parameters at the top of the STOP screen: **STOP 0x0000007F (0x000000XX, 0x00000000, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) UNEXPECTED_KERNEL_MODE_TRAP
The most important parameter is the first one (0x0000000X) which may have several different values. The cause of this trap can vary, depending on the value of this parameter. All traps that cause a STOP 0x7F can be found in any Intel x86 microprocessor reference manual as they are specific to the x86 platform. Here are some of the most common ones:

Values Meaning
---------- --------------------
0x00000000 Divide by Zero Error
0x00000004 Overflow
0x00000005 Bounds Check Fault
0x00000006 Invalid Opcode
0x00000008 Double Fault


Divide by zero error
A divide by zero is caused when a DIV instruction is executed and the divisor is 0. Memory corruption (or other hardware problems) or software failures can cause this.

Overflow
The overflow instruction occurs when the processor executes a call to an interrupt handler when the overflow (OF) flag is set.

Bounds check fault
This fault is generated when the processor, while executing a BOUND instruction, finds the operand exceeds the specified limits. A BOUND instruction is used to ensure that a signed array index is within a certain range.

Invalid opcode
This fault is generated when the processor attempts to execute an invalid instruction. This is generally caused when the instruction pointer has become corrupted and is pointing to the wrong location. The most common cause of this is hardware memory corruption.

Double fault
A double fault occurs when an exception occurs while trying to call the handler for a prior exception. Normally, the two exceptions can be handled serially, however there are several exceptions that cannot be handled serially and in this situation the processor signals a double fault. The two primary causes for this are hardware and kernel stack overflows. Hardware problems are usually related to CPU, RAM, or bus. Kernel stack overflows are almost always caused by faulty kernel-mode drivers.

Addendum: One thing that Prime95 does not test is running on a GPU, which BOINC with Seti will do on your GTX580s. So check them as well.
9050) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39486)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For explanations of calculation errors you will have to ask at the Milkyway Number Crunching forums how to interpret them.
9051) Message boards : Questions and problems : Where am I supposed to enter the password??? (Message 39482)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=461 for what normally causes "BOINC Manager cannot connect to a client" cases.
9052) Message boards : GPUs : Caught SIGSEGV in ATI GPU detection (Message 39480)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm going to remove Boinc and then try a slightly earlier version of Boinc, 6.10.60.

There's not much that changed between 6.10 and 6.12 in the way that ATI GPUs are detected. I think it's the drivers as well, so why not try older ones?
Or try the ones from Omegadrivers instead. They rip out a lot of the overhead ATI leaves in.
9053) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39478)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, that's because the application is called differently.

I have changed the app_info.xml & the second application link in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6786&nowrap=true#39474.
9054) Message boards : GPUs : Caught SIGSEGV in ATI GPU detection (Message 39476)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why are you now running BOINC 6.13.1?
Just because it's the latest? Or are you actually an Alpha-tester and are you giving daily/weekly logs about the working of this version back to the developers?

If you aren't doing that, or aren't a real alpha tester, please uninstall this version and go back to 6.12.33/.34 first.

I ask this as 6.13.1 has quite some new code, not only for work fetch and CPU/GPU schedulers, but also for OpenCL detection. It's not ready yet. It also comes with a gazillion certified bugs. If you are used to how BOINC 6.10/6.12 ran things, do not upgrade to this version. It won't do things the same way you are used to.

And other than that, you said you ran the new Driver Sweeper to remove all mention of Nvidia. Have you also tried to remove all mention of ATI?
Have you after that reinstalled your motherboard chipset drivers, before installing the ATI drivers?

Which drivers are you actually using? Ones downloaded from the ATI site, or are you allowing Windows to install drivers for you? In that case, these Windows drivers lack component drivers for CAL/Brook+ and OpenCL. You will have to install drivers from the ATI web site, and only after you (again) fully uninstalled the previous drivers.

The ATI driver (APP version) will install the OpenCL component.
9055) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39474)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And? I take it you changed the name of the application in the app_info.xml file?
But did you actually download the correct file(s) from Milkyay? Did you save them in the correct directory? Did you do that while BOINC was not running (as else these files will be deleted again)?

May I please remind you that we do not see anything that you see? That you will have to explain in detail what you did, what you see, what you expect etc. ? That without all that information we'll be asking a lot of questions, and that it's becoming very uncivil of you to ignore most questions, to never answer them?

Step 1. Exit BOINC fully.
BOINC Manager->File->Exit, check "Stop running science applications on Manager exit?" when unchecked->OK.

Step 2. Navigate to the BOINC Data directory.
Normally found at C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ under Windows 7 and Vista.

Step 3. Edit the app_info.xml file.
Navigate further to C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu\
Edit app_info.xml with Notepad to something like this:

<app_info>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>milkyway_nbody_0.66_windows_x86_64__mt.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>milkyway_separation_0.82_windows_x86_64__ati14.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>milkyway</app_name>
<version_num>82</version_num>
<api_version>6.12.0</api_version>
<file_ref>
<file_name>milkyway_nbody_0.66_windows_x86_64__mt.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
<coproc>
<type>ati</type>
<count>1</count>
</coproc>
<plan_class>ati14</plan_class>
<flops>1.10e11</flops>
<avg_ncpus>0.05</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>0.05</max_ncpus>
<cmdline>--gpu-target-frequency 35</cmdline>
<file_ref>
<file_name>milkyway_separation_0.82_windows_x86_64__ati14.exe</file_name>
<open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>


When you're absolutely sure you have all information therein now correctly, only then save the file.

Step 4. Downloading of the application.
Open a browser and type in the address-bar the following line: http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/download/milkyway_separation_0.82_windows_x86_64__ati14.exe, then save it to C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu\

We do the same for http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/download/milkyway_nbody_0.66_windows_x86_64__mt.exe

Step 5. Check, check, recheck.
Check that everything is now in place. Close directories you don't need anymore.

Step 6. Restart BOINC.
Windows Start button->All Program->BOINC->BOINC Manager.


The above should get you going.
9056) Message boards : GPUs : Caught SIGSEGV in ATI GPU detection (Message 39472)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Driver Sweeper (from your FAQ link) requires 'registration' which means giving them your details + £29.95.

It didn't when I set up that link, as it was Freeware. It still is, but it's just not available from Guru3D anymore, I see. They removed the download link.

So thanks for the other suggestion.
9057) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39470)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>

Outside that these two should show Milkway's application name, whatever that is, you also need the actual application downloaded onto your system, in the %BOINC_DATA_dir%\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu\ directory.

With the anonymous platform file you tell BOINC what it should use, thus you should get all files and applications yourself. They won't be downloaded automatically, as they would when you do not use an app_info.xml file.

So ask on Milkyway's forums for help on what this app's name should be in those two places, and from where you can download the actual application. They ought to know that, it's their project.
9058) Message boards : GPUs : Caught SIGSEGV in ATI GPU detection (Message 39467)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please make sure to completely get rid of (remnants of) the previous drivers. See this FAQ for help on that.
9059) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't upload when using dsl 512/64 (Message 39459)
Posted 5 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
64k upload mean approximativly 12kb per sec real upload , is it to low for task to be uploaded?

All the connections are in something-bit. In your case, this is 64 kilobit. To get to actual kilobytes uploading, you have to divide by 8 --to get from bits to bytes, as there are 8 bits in a byte-- and thus you maximum upload speed can be 8 kilobytes. That is without overhead, and only when you live inside the exchange of the ISP. So a real life number would be 6-7 KB/sec.

That's enough for an upload, as dial up can also be used and that's even slower.

Anyway, make a cc_config.xml file, save it to your BOINC Data directory (default places for that in this FAQ).

Add into it these lines:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


When done, exit BOINC completely (BOINC Manager->File->Exit->check "Stop running science applications on Manager exit?" and OK), then restart it (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager).

Next let it contact any of your projects, then post the full messages log of that contact here. That's also why we restarted BOINC, so you can post the full log here, as the log isn't that long yet.

In BOINC 6.10 and before, that's done through the Messages tab->copy all->paste here in an answer window.
In BOINC 6.12 and above, that's done through Advanced menu->Event Log window->copy all->paste in a window here.
9060) Message boards : Questions and problems : no network connection??? (Message 39452)
Posted 5 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is for dial-up and VPN connections only. They will then show in the list.
As long as the list is clear, your default connection will be used.
9061) Message boards : Questions and problems : can't upload when using dsl 512/64 (Message 39448)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Again, which project do you see this on? You're now at the BOINC Development forums. Any problem with a project should usually be handled at that project's forums. Projects are independent of BOINC, we don't control any of them.
9062) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduler request failed: Error 417 . HELP PLZ!! (Message 39446)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project do you see this on?
Is the project actually up?

What "xms config file"? If you meant cc_config.xml file, what did you enter into it?
9063) Message boards : Questions and problems : DEVICE LIST (Message 39441)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I suspect that GR gets the info from the project's site, for your account. That's normally where the list of your computers is held. On most projects you can delete old host IDs, when they no longer have work in queue.

So go to the project web site, your account, computers on this account, all computers.
9064) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 39436)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Beta huh?

How about we call it Beta for *Nix and OS X and Alpha for Windows? For really, a VirtualBox application that does a run-away and takes over the computer? Not good. Especially not since they thought they squashed that bug earlier on... apparently not. ;-)
9065) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error: Fetching configuration ... (Message 39435)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/QuickStart for how to test your server.
Also see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ExampleApps for example applications, if you need them.

As for get_project_config.php, please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WebRpc#get_project_config.

Do know that the people helping you here are volunteers, we're not the developers, not even project administrators. So please do consider the advice we give here.
9066) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unintentional "Return Results Immediately" (Message 39425)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Logs are written to the stdoutdae.txt file in your BOINC Data directory.
9067) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 39420)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.34 released for testing for Macintosh.

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have released BOINC 6.12.34 for alpha testing. This contains several fixes for Mac OS 10.7 Lion. With your help, we would like to get it tested and released as soon as possible.

Note also that I have added OS 10.7 to the test matrix.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • Mac: Fix bug where menubar icon menu did not work after changing skin.
  • MGR: Fix "Can't load Image" messages in Simple View.
  • SCR: Fix delay dismissing screensaver under Mac OS10.7.
  • Mac installer: Work around bug in Mac OS 10.7 dscl merge command.

9068) Message boards : Questions and problems : zero disk space after upgrade of BOINC (Message 39410)
Posted 2 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
7/29/2011 8:50:42 AM | | Disk: 48.73 GB total, 5.42 GB free

Of course, if we're to match things, this should be changed as well:
use at most: 10 GB disk space
Leave at least: 10 GB disk space free
Use at most: 50% of total disk space
Which will also result in
7/29/2011 8:50:42 AM | | Preferences:
7/29/2011 8:50:42 AM | | max memory usage when active: 4095.59MB
7/29/2011 8:50:42 AM | | max memory usage when idle: 7372.06MB
7/29/2011 8:50:42 AM | | max disk usage: 0.00GB

Since 50% of 48.73GB is 24.37GB that needs to be free, the 5.42GB free is too little already.

I am now wondering about one thing, though and that's whether the "use at most X% of total disk" is actually about total disk, or about the partition that BOINC runs on. I suspect only the partition. Will go ask. :-)
9069) Message boards : Server programs : BOINC Server (Message 39404)
Posted 2 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's a preference setting. Check your Global Preferences, or local advanced preferences if you use those, for the option "Suspend work if CPU usage is above X%". By default this is 25%. Either increase it to something higher, or disable it by setting it to 0 or 100.

This option will suspend BOINC when any non-BOINC program takes this much CPU cycles.
9070) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 39398)
Posted 1 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah yeah, got that. I also see it's 9GB they need for disk space and only 512MB of RAM. Must be that Java thing that is taking up 400MB at this time.

Also possibly nice to tell people not to close the VM box that opened, and to click a couple of times on OK, to allow the VM OS to actually start up. ;-)

What I meant with "Anything else I haven't seen yet?" was more of an expectation of run time, does it checkpoint, will it eat all my memory, will I need to jump through additional hoops, etc. :P

'kwistnietdatjekwaadwerd...
9071) Message boards : Projects : Test4Theory (AKA LHC@home 2.0) NEWS (Message 39396)
Posted 1 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Wow, it's not for the faint hearted, I see. 220MB tasks, 8GB drive space needed? Anything else I haven't seen yet? 4GB of RAM needed? ;-)
9072) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 39395)
Posted 1 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
I've updated the installers for the 6.12.34 build, the older installer included an outdated zlib1.dll which caused boinc.exe to crash on some
computers.

If you experienced boinc.exe crashing, please re-download the installer and try again. The issue should be resolved now.

----- Rom
9073) Message boards : BOINC Manager : cc_config.xml improperly parsed (Message 39391)
Posted 1 Aug 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The XML code used with BOINC is developed specifically for BOINC. It cannot at this time be compared to real XML, perhaps in the future.
9074) Message boards : Questions and problems : Reserve one core for GPUGRID (Message 39379)
Posted 30 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Set the amount of CPUs that BOINC can use to one less. You do that with the "On multiprocessors, use at most X% of the processors" setting.

If you have 8 CPUs and you want to use only 7, then set to use 7 x 12.5 = 87.5%. The one CPU excluded from being used by BOINC now will be used exclusively to do work for the GPU plus whatever non-BOINC programs want to use it.

I tried messing up with ncpus settings in cc_config but boinc simply ignore it.

And glad too.. why mess with cc_config.xml, when it's a normal option in your preferences?
9075) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39371)
Posted 30 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What will not work?
Throttling the CPU, thus throttling the GPU?
Or using Ttrhottle to throttle the GPU based on its temperature?

As I said in the earlier post, you cannot use only part of the stream processors inside the GPU. You can only use all of them, or none of them. What is so difficult to follow about that?

Or do you think that because you see a load of 98%, that 98% of the stream processors in the GPU are being used? That's not the case. Even with a load of, e.g. 50% on the GPU, all stream processors in the GPU are being used, just not as heavy as they can be at another project. It all depends on what the actual work is that needs to be calculated.

Even a CPU just has two load stages, on or off. When on, your computer is powered on. When off, your computer is powered off. The system load is just a measure of the amount of work that a computer system performs, not whether it's on or off.

And further, did you check that boinctray.exe is running? Not boinc.exe, not boincmgr.exe, but boinctray.exe, that's what the idle tracking program is called.
9076) Message boards : BOINC Manager : how to complete more work (Message 39366)
Posted 30 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's still in the proposed remodeling list, with no timetable for completion.
9077) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39364)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you not read my earlier post, specifically point 3?
9078) Message boards : BOINC Manager : how to complete more work (Message 39362)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you think "Use at most X% of CPU time" is for in the global preferences? The same option is found in BOINC Manager's local advanced preferences.
9079) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39358)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Windows 7 or Vista?
Is Boinctray.exe running? Check in Windows Task Manager.
Boinctray.exe is the BOINC idle tracking program for Windows 7 and Vista. Without it it won't know when you left the keyboard and stopped fiddling with the mouse. The program is not started when BOINC starts, only at Windows log on.

So if you install a new BOINC version on top of another, Boinctray.exe will be exited and not restarted. It'll only restart at a reboot of the system, or a log-off/log-on of the user.

I suspect that your Boinctray.exe is not running. If it isn't, then start it.
To do so, go to your BOINC programs directory (default on Windows 32bit at C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ or 64bit at C:\Program Files\BOINC\) and (double-)click on boinctray.exe to start it. It won't show a window or anything, you have to check through Windows task manager that it's running.
9080) Message boards : GPUs : Problem with GPU, Computer crushes (Message 39355)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. The default setting for GPU calculations in BOINC is to not use the GPU when the computer is in use. This is because the GPU, the graphics processing unit on your videocard will slow the computer down when it is being used by projects to do calculations. So perhaps change the setting back to "Use GPU only when computer is not in use" / "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?". (depending on whether you use the local advanced preferences, or the online web preferences).

2. Since you're using the GPU for calculations, you cannot show a difficult screen saver at the same time. This can be done on Nvidia CUDA cards with plenty of memory on board (1GB and above) and it can be done on some projects using OpenCL, but not when using CAL/Brook+. You could show 2D screen savers, but best not OpenGL or other 3D versions as those use the same processing units inside the GPU that you use to do the calculations with.

3. To throttle the GPU, you have to throttle the CPU, since the CPU takes care of translating the contents of the task to something that the GPU can understand plus transporting of this content to the videocard's memory, then after the GPU's done with the calculations, the CPU picks up the result from the videocard's memory, translates it back to something the humans can understand and writes it to disk.

If you then throttle the CPU, you will slow this process down, since throttling in BOINC-land means that you suspend and resume the task. E.g. 70% CPU time means that per 10 seconds the application is active for 7 seconds and sleeps for 3 seconds.

The GPU cannot be throttled as the CPU. It'll either use all the stream processors inside the GPU, or it won't use them. Well, perhaps by temperature. See Tthrottle for that.

4. You don't say which Windows you run, how much total memory the computer has, which projects you run, if you also run projects on the CPUs and how much memory those take up... But those aren't really necessary, unless you want to continue using your GPU while your computer is in use.
9081) Message boards : Questions and problems : Requesting cpu, nvidia and ati wu for different project (Message 39352)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
At the projects their project preferences pages, under your account.
E.g. for the Einstein project:
Your account http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/home.php ->
Project preferences http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/prefs.php?subset=project

Don't make changes to client_state.xml file, that's the file that BOINC uses for its sanity. Anything you put in there that's wrong and it could cost you a lot of work.
9082) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 39346)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.34 released for testing for Windows and Linux

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a bug fix release for the 6.12 client. This release should no longer display the 'BOINC Diagnistics..." error dialog when the screensaver starts on some peoples machines for Windows. On Linux this build should now work on most Linux machines as OpenSSL has been statically linked in.

Please give this build a try and report test results back via
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha as quickly as possible.

We would like to promote this build to a public release ASAP.


Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • WINSCR: Remove diagnostics screensaver dialog when the screensaver fails to be able open up the log files.
  • Mac: Fix bug where menubar icon menu did not work after changing skin.
  • Mac: Refine bug fix for menubar icon menu not working after changing skin.
  • lib: Fix the various '????' fields in the diagnostics framework during a crash on Windows. Somewhere along the lines I messed up with the conversions of single-byte characters vs. double-byte characters.
  • MGR: Fix "Can't load Image" messages in Simple View.
  • SCR: Fix delay dismissing screensaver under Mac OS10.7.

9083) Message boards : Promotion : BOINC-like domain? (Message 39324)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to David Anderson.
9084) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BoincManager Accessibility (Message 39322)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13, in test at this time, has the new Simple View.
Plus a gazillion bugs. ;-)
9085) Message boards : Questions and problems : zero disk space after upgrade of BOINC (Message 39321)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That 160 GB is obviously what the user's non-BOINC programs and data are occupying.

When the user says he has 340GB free on the same disk BOINC runs on, then that usually means that BOINC is included in that 160GB. So not just non-BOINC programs.

Other than that, the percentage value checks total disk space. Not just the partition BOINC lives on. If this is one drive of 500GB, then it's 10% of that 500GB.

As to why it's still used, I think it's a left-over from days when disk space was still at a premium. When big disks were 40GB, not 2.5TB. Just see it as an extra safe-guard, just in case the previous maximum (use max disk space) is not used for some reason.
9086) Message boards : Questions and problems : Excessive IPv4 loopback (Message 39319)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Of course there is. It's there to add to conspiracy theorists their convoluted mindsets. :-D

My main point is: Why waste cycles on trivia, when there are nice projects that can make better use of those

Stop trying to see your whole list of tasks in real-time then. Use the button, as said earlier in this thread, to show only your active tasks, not all tasks. Then that constant checking will go away.

What you see is the real-time update of all tasks in the Tasks tab. The progress and timers of the ones being active and the others being updated when tasks are finished and their estimated run time is updated. This happens through an RPC on localhost (127.0.0.1) via TCP/UDP port 31416.

The RPC can at most show 1,000-1,500 tasks per second. Any more and there's more data than can fit in the one second and then the Manager will lose contact with the client.

Even if you have way less than 1,000 tasks in the list, but you want to show all of them anyway, just because you can, it will give a strain on the update. That strain shows as CPU cycles. And thus, really, if you do not want to let the CPU use many of those cycles, then don't show all tasks you have.
9087) Message boards : Questions and problems : zero disk space after upgrade of BOINC (Message 39312)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Disk: use at most ... 10% of total
And additionally:
What is the capacity of the BOINC drive and how many space is left? 500GB drive with 340GB free

Last I checked, 10% of 500GB was only 50GB. Meaning that if you've used 160GB (340GB free), then that's over the 50GB you said to use with the percentage.

So increase this last value, set it to 75% for instance. Your other 10GB boundary will make sure BOINC will never use 75% of the 500GB, but it will make sure that you won't run into trouble like this either.
9088) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.33 released to public (Message 39307)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The screen saver diagnostics error was identified by the developers and is fixed in an upcoming 6.12 version.

Since it's vacation time for the developers, plus the Workshop 2011 is closing in rather quickly, it's difficult to say when a new version will be released. It also depends on what other bugs have been/are found in the mean time, that can also be included in this newer version.

In the mean time, if you aren't a BOINC Alpha tester, do NOT upgrade to 6.13, as this version uses from the ground up rewritten code with a gazillion bugs in it. You do not want to run it unless you're comfortable with a bug-ridden system and don't mind to send in daily/weekly reports to the developers on what you found out about the present code.
9089) Message boards : Questions and problems : project locks out other projects?! (Message 39292)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ghost work is work that the server assigned to you, but that you never got. Most probably because your connection broke before the work could be sent to you. So no, when it's work that's actually on the system it isn't ghost work.

Next time, try to exit BOINC completely and restarting it, or a reboot of the system. That'll fix 99% of all ailments.
9090) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39278)
Posted 25 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It seems Surveill@Home bit more off than they could chew. They're down.

Surveill is back, but may need a renewed master file read on your system (aka do an update if your back-off is large. ;-))
9091) Message boards : Questions and problems : project locks out other projects?! (Message 39275)
Posted 25 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So my manager wasn't downloading any work units

BOINC Manager is a graphics user interface that allows you to control the underlying client, which does the downloading. But other than that, mind giving some more information, please, as it seems my magic orb's batteries are flat again. I cannot see what you see, sorry for that.
9092) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 39269)
Posted 25 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Rom Walton wrote:
Linux Build Issues

To date it looks like we have the following issues:

6.13.0+:

Boincmgr currently requires libboinc.so which is actually supposed to be statically linked into boincmgr. Our solution here is to fix whatever bug was introduced which keeps the static linking from happening.

6.12.0-6.12.xx:

Boinc dynamically links against OpenSSL 0.9.8 and the most recent distros have already upgraded to OpenSSL 1.x. Ubuntu won't be upgrading until 11.10 which will be released later this year. So our solution is to statically link OpenSSL 0.9.8 so that it can work aross both types of Distros.

Thanks for everybody's help.


----- Rom
9093) Message boards : Questions and problems : No account XML file created (Message 39247)
Posted 24 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All projects have a "forgot password?" option, where you can either fill in the email address you used to register an account with, or the account key to log in with. When using the email address, it's checked against the database of the project and if found, a temporary log-in link is sent to that email address. Then during the next 24 hours you can go to that email address, click the link and you'll be in your account, where you should be able to change the password.

For Enigma the link to get password is http://www.enigmaathome.net/get_passwd.php
For EoN it's http://eon.ices.utexas.edu/eon2/get_passwd.php

If no match to the email address is found, you'll get a message about that and of course, no link is sent. Then you just don't have an account at the project and you'll have to make one from scratch.
9094) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS X Lion: finding a boinc_manager group (Message 39235)
Posted 24 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from the developer:
Any time that running the BOINC Mac installer doesn't solve a problem like this, the next thing to try is to run the "Uninstall BOINC" application which comes with the installer (in the "Extras" folder), then run the BOINC Installer again. The uninstaller does not remove the BOINC Data, so nothing should be lost.
9095) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39224)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
In old days that would've been Dynaping, but they bit the dust earlier. ;)
9096) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS X Lion: finding a boinc_manager group (Message 39223)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, by the developer for the Mac. Both 6.12.33 and the 6.13 versions.
But I forwarded this thread to development. I suspect Charlie is either on vacation and therefore only at certain times available, or he's melted... ;)
9097) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39217)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It seems Surveill@Home bit more off than they could chew. They're down.
9098) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensave Diagnostic error (Message 39215)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is known and has been fixed in the code; it'll be in the next BOINC 6.12

Do NOT upgrade to 6.13 under any circumstances, as this version is testing completely new code that has a whole load of other bugs that you do not want to fight.
9099) Message boards : Questions and problems : Terrifying update to boinc_6.12.33_windows_x86_64 (Message 39209)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Here's what the installer program does:
When started it will invoke the uninstaller of the previous BOINC version first, to uninstall the previous version. This will delete all BOINC program files, before the installer continues with installing the new BOINC program files.

Both of these use a file called BOINC.msi, but this isn't the same file.
You don't say which Windows you use, but in Windows 7, all installed programs using an .msi file are found in C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\, all under their own \{32 hexadecimal characters\ directories.

Since we have these 32 hexadecimal characters as a directory name, and these are random, yet only one of each can be on the same system at once, you can have multiple BOINC.msi files on your system. For example, I have 45 BOINC.msi files on my system. This is because I have been switching through a lot of versions lately to test a couple of things. From the outside it's impossible to see which BOINC.msi file starts which BOINC (un)installer. You can only figure that out by starting it. Neither the BOINC uninstaller nor Windows will remove the left-over BOINC.msi file after they're done with it. These stay on your system.

However, it can happen that Windows loses track of where it put some of these files, or they go corrupt on your disk due to whatever reason. Then what happens is that you get an error message when the BOINC installer tries to uninstall the previous version of BOINC and that's what you are running into. It has nothing to do with the original problem in this thread, while it can be solved with any one of the steps, most specifically the first one, in the FAQ.
9100) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager 6.10.58 Startup (Message 39177)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It should be "Start Manager at login?" in your Options, which if I recall correctly are still in Advanced view->Advanced->Options in 6.10.

This activates a certain switch in the registry, making sure that BOINC Manager starts after Windows login. You will have to do this on each account that you allow(ed) to manage BOINC.
9101) Message boards : Questions and problems : OS X Lion: finding a boinc_manager group (Message 39174)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you get a permissions error alert, you will need to run the BOINC installer again after upgrading to Lion.
9102) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 39168)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post without your signature in this thread. If unsure how to do that on specific posts, see the first post of this thread that explains so.

If I were to allow your signature here, I would have to allow all signatures. So it's better to allow none, no matter what they say.

With thanks.
9103) Message boards : Server programs : BOINC Server (Message 39167)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/QuickStart for how to test your server.
Also see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ExampleApps for example applications.
9104) Message boards : Questions and problems : Visual C++ Runtime (Message 39160)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie,

Did your Windows receive a Microsoft Visual C++ redistributable update through Windows Update lately? Can you check up on that, please?
You can check that at Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\View update history.
9105) Message boards : BOINC client : Custom Windows Install (Message 39159)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, there are ways. The main problem, which you've run across, is that BOINC needs its own limited user groups to run under plus it uses registry entries. These can of course be made through a script, however, I don't feel this needs to be done through these forums, where anyone can then pick up how to do that and use it for their own (malicious or not) uses.

No, I'm going to ask you to email the BOINC Developers list on this.
See http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev for more information.

At least that way anyone who helps you can email you directly, without this info being available to all.
9106) Message boards : Questions and problems : C++ Error Window Keep Displaying (Message 39157)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can check in your Windows Event Viewer which application is causing this. Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer, either Custom or Windows logs.

Has anyone had a Windows Update in for Microsoft Visual C++ redistributable??
You can check that at Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\View update history (in Win Vista and 7).
9107) Message boards : BOINC client : Custom Windows Install (Message 39151)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with the whole request is permission to run BOINC on those PCs. Shared PCs where? Did you obtain permission from the owners of those PCs?

The whole thing sounds very obscure to me.

9108) Message boards : Questions and problems : Visual C++ Runtime (Message 39146)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So it's one of the science applications doing that, since the path leads you to the projects directory. But you really have to figure out which one. It should be recorded in Windows Event Viewer (Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer, either Custom or Windows logs).

Is it happening at any specific time?
e.g. when your system comes out of hibernation, perhaps? Or when you move your mouse after some idle time? Or does it only happen when BOINC is running?
Have any of your tasks erred (check at project forums->your account->tasks) at the time of these errors? If so, with what error?
9109) Message boards : Questions and problems : Since Upgrade To Latest - Not Starting With Windows (Message 39138)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, I really don't want to go the uninstall/reinstall route as I have almost 100 WU's at the moment and I don't want to mess that up.

When you uninstall BOINC, only the BOINC program files (boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe, boincscr.exe, boinccmd.exe and the various .dll files) will be removed from the C:\Program Files\BOINC directory. The BOINC Data directory will be left in place, that will only go away if you manually remove it.

When you upgrade BOINC to a next version, the installer of the new version will invoke the uninstaller of the old version first, which uninstalls your old BOINC, before the installer installs the new BOINC. Have you ever lost work that way? If not, then you shouldn't fear an Uninstall either.
9110) Message boards : Questions and problems : Since Upgrade To Latest - Not Starting With Windows (Message 39132)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
After the fact you'll have to set for each user that you allowed to control BOINC that their Manager can run at login. Or you uninstall BOINC & reinstall it, this time taking the actual Advanced detour... whichever is easier for you.
9111) Message boards : Questions and problems : Since Upgrade To Latest - Not Starting With Windows (Message 39130)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you check what the status was at BOINC Manager-Advanced view->Tools->Display and network options, of "Run Manager at login?"

Also, in the installer, did you make any changes to the 'default settings'? If not, then do know that since somewhere in a 6.10 version there's been a bug in the BOINC installer which makes the installer 'forget' to check the "Allow all users to control BOINC" setting. You have to specifically check this option at each BOINC install, by clicking the Advanced button in the third screen of the installer and then checking the option, before continuing the installation.
9112) Message boards : Questions and problems : Since Upgrade To Latest - Not Starting With Windows (Message 39126)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Additional question: which Windows?
9113) Message boards : Server programs : How to set deadline for results (Message 39120)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a combination of the work generation (wu.delay_bound) and the backend logic (result.report_deadline = now + wu.delay_bound).

But for more precise settings & help, please see the sticky post at the top of this forum.
9114) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 39117)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
REPEATED EXTRA WARNING

The new BOINC 6.13 range is using completely new, from the ground up rewritten code for many of its parts. It is not to be used if you are not an alpha tester. It is not to be used on all of your machines, just on one. When it doesn't work, report your problems to the developers and return to the latest 6.12.recommended.

At this time we're specifically testing whether or not the new CPU/GPU scheduling code works without using debt, and if projects will fetch work.

This is not a version that you install and walk away from, it needs constant checking, including the use of all the correct client configuration flags. Make sure your log files are of sufficient size so you can log through the night.

Minimum required flags to report with are <cpu_sched_debug>, <rr_simulation>, <sched_op_debug>, <work_fetch_debug>

Do not run experimental versions of BOINC on live projects, unless you also subscribe to the associated boinc_alpha mailing list, and have time to read and act upon any recall or hotfix notices for builds which turn out to be buggy.

Remember, these early 6.13s are not for prolonged use if you aren't going to send regular logs back to the developer. These versions will only annoy the heck out of you, since they will do work fetch completely different from what you have come to expect of BOINC. Just don't use it if you're not serious about it!
9115) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 clients go to sleep (Message 39112)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The behaviour is normal. Even while when you set up BOINC to run always, the science applications will only run at a slightly higher than Low priority. So they won't keep the machine awake.

Besides, those power-schemes also check if someone is tapping the keyboard, or moving the mouse, both of which things that BOINC isn't doing.

So no, you cannot use BOINC to keep those machines awake. But since you've apparently already asked for permission to install BOINC on those machines, why not ask if they be more lenient with the power-scheme as well?
9116) Message boards : Questions and problems : Visual C++ Runtime (Message 39111)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which application?
Is it really the BOINC client that does this, or one of the project science applications?
9117) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 39107)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.13.1 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: write log msgs saying whether GPUs are OpenCL-capable
  • client: fix bug introduced in [trac]changeset:23765[/trac] that produced garbage in <coproc> elements in sched req msgs and elsewhere. peak_flops is a double. If you print it using %d, everything from that point forward is messed up.
  • client: fix typo that caused a lot of spurious "project has XXXXXX deadline misses" messages.
  • fix compile warnings.
  • Mac: Fix bug where menubar icon menu did not work after changing skin.
  • WINSCR: Remove diagnostics screensaver dialog when the screensaver fails to be able open up the log files.
  • client: possibly fix bug that caused no-GPU prefs to be ignored.
  • Mac: Refine big fix for menubar icon menu not working after changing skin.
  • client: fix bug related to deselecting resource types in project prefs. Some logic was missing.
  • client: clear have_nvidia/ati flags in CC_STATE so you don't show garbage in project properties.
  • Manager and GUI RPC: Remove debt fields from PROJECT: not used anymore. Add sched_priority field.
  • client: fix scheduler bug that treated all CPU jobs as non-high-priority.
  • client: don't print spurious "domino prevention" and "thrashing prevention" msgs.
  • manager: show project descriptions in same size font as the rest of the dialog.
  • manager: do the above font change only on Windows.
  • manager: Handle string conversion at compile time instead of run time.
  • manager: fix messed up logic that caused projects to show "platform not support" incorrectly. Note: the code in this entire area seems way too complex.
  • manager: tweak project desc font size.
  • client, work fetch policy: adjust project REC by the amount of work queued, to increase variety.
    NOTE (David): at some point I think I had a reason to not do this, but I can't remember what it is.
  • client, job scheduling policy: fix how project REC is adjusted
  • manager: don't show "Estimated computation speed" in task properties. The quantity involved is not actually computation speed. Also don't show Max RAM usage.
  • lib: Fix the various '????' fields in the diagnostics framework during a crash on Windows. Somewhere along the lines I messed up with the conversions of single-byte characters vs. double-byte characters.
  • client: add <rec_half_life_days> config option.
  • client: if a project has zero resource share, don't piggyback a work request onto a non-work-request RPC.
  • client: show the right prefix for <cpu_sched_debug> messages.
  • MGR: Fix "Can't load Image" messages in Simple View; allow gaps in slide show file numbering; reload images if new project files downloaded.

9118) Message boards : BOINC client : wish: venue change be recognized before asking for tasks (Message 39106)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And how do you want the venue change to be recognized without a scheduler contact? By pigeon carrier, snail mail or thought-relay? ;-)

No, really, how do you want the BOINC on your system to know that you made changes to the venue on the website, without them having some form of contact to get that information from the website to the client? And if you don't mind the some form of contact, then what do you think the scheduler contact is?

So, on the first scheduler contact your BOINC did not ask for work but did have a contact with the database and got the new information about your venue changes in. Then on the second contact it used that information.

Now, unless all project preferences are going to be localized, there is no other way to get this information in. You will need to contact the database of the project first before you know the new information and you can only work with that new information after you got it.
9119) Message boards : BOINC client : SVN checkout of BOINC sources not working (Message 39105)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How are you using the command? With an external program such as TortoiseSVN?
In that case the URL is just http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc, without SVN or co in front.

If you just want to browse the source with your browser, use http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser instead.
9120) Message boards : Projects : Renderfarm.fi (Message 39094)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, never mind, I figured it out already.
It apparently did not like my 9 character password, it was not secure enough. Now running with an 11 character password that's deemed high enough.
9121) Message boards : Projects : Renderfarm.fi (Message 39091)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Anyone know how to login at Renderfarm.fi?
I have attached to it, but each time I go to their project pages and try to log in, it'll tell me "Sorry, unrecognized username or password." ... well, they work for attaching to BOINC, so don't know what you miss there.

But it gets worse. I follow the link to reset my password, fill in the same email address as before, the project will send me a temp login link with which I can change my password... After having done so and having saved, going back to the login will at all times yield "Sorry, unrecognized username or password." .. The email address is one I use for all projects and it hasn't got a problem anywhere. It even doesn't have so much a problem at the BOINC side of Renderfarm.fi, but more I suspect at their Drupal front.

I can't even complain about it on their forums, as I cannot log in.
I can't change my resource share for the project or do anything, as I cannot log in.

I tried sending them an email at an admin address, but I got no answer from that. So hum, can anyone please tell the admin over there that their Drupal front is broken? And ask politely to contact me here in this thread, or through Private Message, as I would like to get this solved.
9122) Message boards : GPUs : Yet another No usable GPUs found (Message 39082)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, this isn't a BOINC problem but a videocard driver problem. As long as you don't install the correct videocard drivers, or they need something special (be in the same user level as BOINC is running at), BOINC won't find the GPU(s). No matter which BOINC version you use.

Did I read elsewhere that this is a PCI 8400GS? Not PCI-E or AGP? Just plain PCI? That may still need motherboard chipset drivers to work correctly. Again, don't ask me how to check that, I don't know. ;-)

Linux Gurus?
9123) Message boards : GPUs : Yet another No usable GPUs found (Message 39075)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, we're going to set up a cc_config.xml file. Usually this is put in the BOINC Data directory, which on Linux is wherever you installed BOINC. Else I'm sure either Dago or TD will help you there. (Sorry, I'm a Windows buff).

Use any plain text editor to make the file. No need for XML editors, as the XML we use is made for BOINC, it's not true XML yet.

Add into this file the following lines:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<coproc_debug>1</coproc_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>


Save the file, make sure its extension is .xml, not .txt as some editors really want to put behind text files. Next exit BOINC & restart it.

Then post the start-up messages, including whatever it will have said about the co-processor debug. That way we can check if the library has been found.
9124) Message boards : Projects : Milkyway to pay double credits (Message 39074)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per this post:

Dear MilkyWay@home volunteers,

It appears that I have made a mis-step in management of MilkyWay@Home, regarding double credits for fundraising. I believed that this had been done before. I have since discovered that not only I was incorrect, but it is also inconsistent with the BOINC credit system. As volunteers, you have donated enormous computational resources to my group, and on top of that have created a powerful community that not only helps us with software but also teaches us how to be responsible members of your community. We will be running double credit two days this week to make up for lost credit in the past, but we will not be running a double credit fundraiser in September. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. I will need a little time to understand what the right way is to do this, so stay tuned.

Best Wishes,
Prof. Newberg

David asked them politely to reconsider this double credit for donations scheme, he did not give an ultimatum though. He did offer help on activating the 'green star for donations' option that's built into the BOINC forum software. Let's hope Milkyway takes him up on that offer.
9125) Message boards : GPUs : Yet another No usable GPUs found (Message 39070)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are warnings when the gpu library is not found. My system reports no warnings

Well, in a sense your system does give a warning, the line about No usable GPUs found.

Here's what it says when the CUDA library is not found:
16/07/2011 07:24:00 | | ATI GPU 0 (ignored by config): ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (CAL version 1.4.1332, 1024MB, 1000 GFLOPS peak)
16/07/2011 07:24:00 | | No NVIDIA library found
16/07/2011 07:24:00 | | No usable GPUs found

That's from my system, the line about No usable GPUs found is here correct, as I have my ATI GPU ignored and no Nvidia GPU in this system.
9126) Message boards : Questions and problems : help!!! (Message 39056)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which error number were you getting?
In case of 1327, see this FAQ.

In case of 1706 or 1714 or similar, see this FAQ.
9127) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC on ARM devices (Message 39051)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is someone busy with porting BOINC, Seti and some other projects to the ARM devices. I have asked him if his code is available for the public, will get back to you on that.
9128) Message boards : Projects : Milkyway to pay double credits (Message 39050)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're gonna get banished over there for that comment, Dag.

Anyway, let me just say that something is afoot in the background. I won't say anything about it until hopefully MW admin does so first, but let me tell you that it's going to be an either... or... decision for the Milkyway project.
9129) Message boards : GPUs : Yet another No usable GPUs found (Message 39049)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't think BOINC uses libcudart.so at all.

Oh, but it does. As coproc_detect.cpp will show you. It checks for the presence of the cuda library in order to find the GPU.

(Edit: line 227 and onwards deals with the detection)
(Edit2: libcudart.so is part of your videocard drivers)
9130) Message boards : Projects : Milkyway to pay double credits (Message 39037)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Choosing which projects they want to run has always been and will always be a user prerogative. It's nothing Berkeley will decide for you.

The only projects that Berkeley will not advertise about are the obscure, the ones asking or offering you money, etc.

As far as credits go, well, that's what the CreditNew formula is for. Hopefully it'll work in some near future. Nothing said about BOINC 7, which will run in a different way than present BOINC, and start to ignore high-paying projects when run in combination with normal-paying projects. But that's also something for the near future.
9131) Message boards : Questions and problems : Terrifying update to boinc_6.12.33_windows_x86_64 (Message 39035)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded this to the developers, they want to investigate. So for that they need more information, not just on your BOINC version numbers.

Please tell what your system is, operating system, brand and model of your videocard(s), drivers installed etc. Are you using the GPU(s) for CUDA/CAL/OpenCL calculations? If so, was one of those busy at the time of the upgrade, or did you exit BOINC first?

Also give information on heat, when was the last time you cleaned all dust out of your system? Just give any information your can think of, no matter how minute and insignificant it may seem.
9132) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Cannot Install 6.12.33 (Message 39034)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then reinstall the old version of BOINC. Do you know what version that was?
A reinstall of the old version will normally fix this problem.
9133) Message boards : GPUs : GPUs efficiency with BOINC (Message 39013)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So why don't you ask at the (web-)magazines for them to do a corresponding test of BOINC with GPUs?
9134) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version ? (Message 39012)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
News that a new version of BOINC is available had always been part of the Messages. I agree with you that this should be a Notice.

Ah, I just got confirmation that since two days this is a Notice. :-)
9135) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC client in Ubuntu 10.10 (Message 38978)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Create a script to sleep for 300 seconds and then start the boinc-daemon.
Or sleep for however much seconds you need to have the network and Nvidia card identified.
9136) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with remote control (Message 38976)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, explain how you set up BOINC on both systems. Service installation (protected application execution) or not?
Which firewalls do we have to compete with on both systems?

Are directories shared between the two systems?
Did you set up (simple) printer & file sharing on both systems?
9137) Message boards : Projects : New Project - Radioactive@Home (Message 38971)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What's your point? This is a gadget for the iPhone / iPod Touch / iPad via microphone input, it's totally useless for PCs running BOINC. Did you even read your own link?
9138) Message boards : Questions and problems : New Boinc version ? (Message 38970)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
-where can i find release notes or change information for new ( test- ) version 6.13 ?

6.13 is a development version for BOINC 7. A change log thread is being kept up by the moderators of these forums at this thread.
there is a fine news function in Boinc 6.12.. why we get no information over new Boinc versions via the manager ? ( i had 6.12.26 and get no info that 6.12.33 was released )

News that a new version of BOINC is available had always been part of the Messages. I agree with you that this should be a Notice.
9139) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with remote control (Message 38968)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You need to set up the remote_hosts.cfg on both machines, both should contain the devicename or IP address of the other machine.
9140) Message boards : GPUs : GPUs efficiency with BOINC (Message 38958)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, part of the problem here is that BOINC comprises lots of different projects, which all have their separate own needs. Including to what hardware and operating systems they like best.

Some like ATI best, others Nvidia.
Most want the newest possible GPUs, others don't really mind if the card is a couple of years old.
Some want huge amounts of onboard video, others do not.

I don't have the time (or interest) to go scourge the various projects that do use GPUs to go ask them what their best coprocessor is that can be used. I did start a FAQ a while ago, but it needs (constant) updating, again I don't have the time to do so. It also only shows generic data, not specifics like which brand/model is better than which other brand/model.
9141) Message boards : Server programs : Validation Bug? (Message 38953)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
9142) Message boards : Questions and problems : HELP PLEASE Project NOT obeying preferences! (Message 38947)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's because CPDN has been down for the past couple of days. They have severe server problems they want to fix first, and therefore they'd taken down the whole climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk domain.

I see it's up now, but that they still have problems, so I don't expect them to give out work at this time. As for your 80% CPU use on a CPDN model, when things hang that can happen. While exiting & restarting BOINC will normally fix this, we do need to ask you to report this problem on their forums, since it was their application and probably their model that hung.
9143) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 50 projects under Boinc. (Message 38933)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Navigate to your BOINC Data directory (default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\) and delete the stderrgui.txt file.

Then please download http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boincmgr.130711.x64.zip, saving it locally and open it, then do Edit->Select all files->Copy.

Now exit BOINC completely (BOINC Manager->Files->Exit, check "stop running science applications on Manager exit?" and click OK).

Then navigate to your BOINC Programs directory (default at C:\Program Files\BOINC\), then right-click and select Paste to copy the files from clipboard into this directory, select Yes when asked to overwrite old files.

Now restart BOINC and do what you did before, trying to crash BOINC Manager.
When that's done, go back to your BOINC Data directory (default at C:\Programdata\BOINC\) and copy the new contents from stderrgui.txt and post those here, please.

(We deleted the old stderrgui.txt to make sure that all the info therein is new. BOINC Manager will make the file anew when it finds there is none)
9144) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 50 projects under Boinc. (Message 38932)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have attached to enough projects that I now also have 50 of them. I cannot reproduce the problem, not even when switching to French language.

So may we have your system information, please?
CPU, memory, videocard, etc. and how much memory is in use when the problem occurs?

The developers are looking in over my shoulder, they see the symbols loading problem as a memory or string problem and will have a private drop version for you available within the day. Mind, this will only fix the problem where it shows e.g. "ModLoad: 6faa0000 0003e000 ????????????????l (???0) (?B Symbols Loaded)" in stderrgui.txt, not your original problem.

Also, have you tried a reboot of the system?
9145) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 50 projects under Boinc. (Message 38929)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So it's only a crash of BOINC Manager, since the client and all your projects continue to run.

Also, again:
What is the error message it gives in stderrdae.txt?
Or in stderrgui.txt?
Or else in Windows Event Viewer (Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer)?

Check time-stamps on the stderr*.txt files before giving the info. If they aren't dated and timed on today at the time of the crash, the crash wasn't recorded and you need not give the information within the files.

These files can be found in your BOINC Data directory (default C:\Programdata\BOINC\)
9146) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 50 projects under Boinc. (Message 38927)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What closes?
Only BOINC Manager?
Only the BOINC client?
Or both BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) and the BOINC client (boinc.exe)?

What is the error message it gives in stderrdae.txt?
Or in stderrgui.txt?
Or else in Windows Event Viewer (Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer)?

And this happens when you click which button? Nap isn't one available.
So which one do you mean? All projects (separate), All projects (together) or All projects (sum)? Any other button? Can you otherwise try to set BOINC Manager to run in English language, before you retry? The button positions won't change, only what's printed on them...
9147) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 38923)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton, one of BOINC's developers has explained the reasoning behind the new Simple View.

If you have been testing the 6.13.0 alpha release, you have probably seen the reworked Simple View. I am writing to explain the reasons for the changes and to explain the rationale for its design.

The old Simple View (as in 6.12.33) has a number of basic problems. It uses mostly non-standard controls, and most of the controls are actually bitmap images. For example, the buttons ("Add Project", "Messages", etc.) are actually small pictures of a rectangular button. The text labels are part of the image, rather than being encoded as actual text. This design causes several serious issues:

[1] Localization:

The use of bitmap controls makes it very difficult to localize the interface for different languages. In other parts of the BOINC Manager, the text in controls, menus etc. is represented as a series of characters (i.e., encoded as actual text.)

Our development system scans the source code for all such text, and generates a special file containing all the text strings. Our many volunteer translators take a copy of this file and add the translations into each language. They then return the localized file (which contains each English string followed by its localized equivalent) to us. We include these translation files with BOINC, and they are installed on each user's computer as part of BOINC.

The BOINC software includes logic which then applies the appropriate translation file, depending on the language the user selects. The software also adjusts the size of each interface element to fit the localized text, since the translation may be longer or shorter than the English original. Finally, the size of the entire window is adjusted to accommodate the resized buttons and other elements.

But when the buttons and other interface elements are images of text, rather than actual strings, none of this can work. The only way to create a localized version is to produce new images with the translated text, and generate a localized "skin" for each language. Not only is this very tedious and inefficient, it is not something most of our volunteer translators can do readily.

The Simple View is not so simple for users who don't speak English and so can't understand the button labels. And yet this is the interface all new users see.

[2] Accessibility:

Computer users who are blind or have limited vision often use special accessibility software known as screen readers, which convert the text on their screen to audible speech. Screen readers don't work with bitmap controls. So some of the users who could benefit most from a simplified user interface can't take advantage of it.

The use of non-native / non-standard controls also prevents implementing other accessibility features available for most computer systems, such as keyboard-only control access without using the mouse.

[3] Difficulty creating new skins:

Creating a new customized skin requires creating many bitmaps, as a separate image file is needed for every state of every control.

[4] Non-intuitive operation:

The use of non-native / non-standard controls violates the user interface guidelines on Mac and Windows. These guidelines are designed to provide commonality across different applications, making it easier for users to learn new applications in an intuitive manner. Because the old Simple View violates these standards, it is harder for new users to understand.

[5] Lack of flexibility:

The fixed size and position of items makes it hard to enhance the interface by adding new items or rearranging existing ones. Here are some examples:

  1. It is not obvious that you can click on the "Graphics Available" text at the bottom of the slide show to display the application's graphics.
  2. The project icons with the contextual menus give no visual indication that clicking them displays a drop-down menu.
  3. The task tabs near the top of the window, and the left and right arrows to scroll through them, are non-standard and less intuitive than they might be. And the meaning of the yellow (or other single color) dots next to some of the tasks is not self-evident.


All of the above issues can be solved by using standard native controls and user interface elements instead of the bitmap images, which provides automatic support for localization, automatic sizing and accessibility. The new Simple View attempts to keep the functionality of the old version, and adds a few more capabilities.

One challenge was finding a common set of controls that are standard native controls on Windows, Macintosh and Linux. This eliminated some choices that would have been obvious for one or another platform but would not work on others, and required some compromises. In particular, the use of push buttons to expose a pull-down / pop-up menu is a departure from typical user interface design, but it allowed us to use standard native controls for all the associated functions.

The use of green, yellow and red dots in the Task Selection pull-down menu / combo box uses the standard traffic light paradigm to indicate whether each task is running, waiting to run, or suspended.

Another challenge arises because the new Simple View is a bit larger than the old one, and some translations will make it larger yet. So the old background images for the different skins are all too small. We will be creating new, larger background artwork for the standard BOINC skin, and will encourage those who provide other skins to do the same. To help with the transition, the new Simple View anchors the upper-left corner of the background, and fills in the areas beyond the background image on the bottom and right side with the background color specified in the skin. In many cases, this reduces the impact of the undersized background artwork.

The new Simple View requires far less artwork, so creating new skins will be considerably easier in the future.

We hope you agree with us that these changes will improve the BOINC experience, especially for new users.

Cheers,
--Charlie



The new Simple View eliminates the need for many of the images in the skins, along with their corresponding entries in the skin.xml file. It also requires a larger background image and in some cases changes to the background artwork.

The new Simple View is slightly larger than the old version, but the actual size varies depending on the platform (Windows, macintosh or linux.) Since the new version is localizable, the size of the window also varies depending on the selected language. If you have a custom skin, you should create a larger version of the main background image (specified by the <background_image> tag in the skin.xml file), allowing plenty of extra area to accommodate very long translation strings.

Because most skins have a logo in the top left corner of the main background image, the new Simple View anchors that corner. In other words, the top left corner of the background will always be at the top left corner of the window, and more or less of the bottom and right-hand areas of the background image will be included depending on the size of the window.

For backward compatibility, if the background bitmap is too small, the right side and bottom are filled in with the background color specified in the skin.xml file by the <background_color> tag.

Note also that the task information and project information areas will vary in size and position. Some skins include 2 contrasting rectangles as part of the main background image, which frame these two areas. If your skin has these, you should eliminate them as they will no longer align with the controls. The new Simple View simulates a semi-transparent background for the task information and project information areas, allowing your main background to partially show through. This will automatically set these areas apart in a manner consistent with your custom skin.

The same is true for the background of the Simple Preferences dialog specified by the <dialog_background_image> tag in the skin.xml file. It needs to be larger, and will be anchored at its top left corner.

The new main and preferences background images are all you need to be compatible with the new Simple View. But many other images, and their corresponding skin.xml tags, which were needed by the old Simple View are no longer required and can be eliminated.

The following xml tags are no longer used and can be eliminated, along with their corresponding images:
<spacer_image>
<state_indicator_background_image>
<connecting_indicator_image>
<error_indicator_image>
<workunit_active_tab>
<workunit_suspended_tab>
<workunit_tab_area_background_image>
<workunit_area_background_image>
<workunit_animation_background_image>
<workunit_gauge_background_image>
<workunit_gauge_progress_indicator_image>
<project_area_background_image>
<attach_project_button>
<help_button>
<right_arrow_button>
<left_arrow_button>
<save_button>
<synchronize_button>
<cancel_button>
<close_button>
<copy_all_button>
<copy_button>
<messages_link_image>
<messages_alert_link_image>
<suspend_link_image>
<resume_link_image>
<preferences_link_image>
<advanced_link_image>

Under the
<wizards> <attach_to_project>
tag:
<logo>

Under the
<wizards> <attach_to_account_manager>
tag:
<logo>
and
<title>


====================================================

The following tags in the skin.xml file (and their corresponding images) _are_ still needed and can be used without any changes:
<static_line_color>
<workunit_animation_image>
<project_image>

Under
<advanced>:
  <is_branded>
  <application_name>
  <application_short_name>
  <application_icon>
  <application_icon32>
  <application_disconnected_icon>
  <application_snooze_icon>
  <application_logo>
  <organization_name>
  <organization_website>
  <organization_help_url>
  <open_tab>
  <exit_message>

One final note: some skins have erroneous xml tags
<company_name>
and
<company_website>
. These are incorrect; the correct tags should be
<organization_name>
and
<organization_website>
.
9148) Message boards : Questions and problems : HELP PLEASE Project NOT obeying preferences! (Message 38919)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a funny one... has nothing so much to do with the OP's problem, but it's something that best be written out somewhere, as you'll see someone in the near future needs it.

The old setting of "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors" is apparently still used in BOINC 6, as a background check for things like this. Mine was set to use 2 CPUs, which is why, when I told BOINC to use zero percent of the multiprocessors, it went and used 100% of the amount of CPUs I had told it to use in the old preference.

So Dag, in your case it probably says 8 there. Which is why, when you set it to 0%, it defaulted back to those 8 CPUs/cores.

There was a code change for 6.10 already, which said:
    if (global_prefs.max_ncpus_pct) {
        ncpus = (int)((ncpus * global_prefs.max_ncpus_pct)/100);
        if (ncpus == 0) ncpus = 1;
    } else if (global_prefs.max_ncpus && global_prefs.max_ncpus < ncpus) {
        ncpus = global_prefs.max_ncpus;
    }

The line "if (ncpus == 0) ncpus = 1;" was added, that made all the difference. Oh well, even I am still learning, every day. :)
9149) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38918)
Posted 12 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The old thread was nearing 200 posts, so I split off to the new thread. Last outages were Aqua, Milkyway and Seti (despite its weekly outage, it was having scheduler problems hours before that).
9150) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38917)
Posted 12 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Volunteer supplied posts about project outages will continue to appear here.

May we please ask that when you post, to do so without adding your signature? With thanks.

To do so, when you make a post in this thread, uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" and then make your post. Your signature will still be enabled on other posts, just not this one. You can also edit your post during an hour and take the signature out.
We ask that you post without a signature to keep the purpose of this thread clear: News about project outages, not about how many credits you have or what team you want us to join.
It's not that difficult to do and it gives the moderators even less work to do, as we don't have to remove your post. So please...
9151) Message boards : Questions and problems : HELP PLEASE Project NOT obeying preferences! (Message 38914)
Posted 12 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
<edit>

Well it looks like we've uncovered a bug here. I just set my 2 core system to use 25% of processors. In the messages it says:

Number of usable CPUs has changed from 2 to 1.
max CPUs used: 1


And sure enough, 1 project is still crunching away. That's on Linux, BOINC 6.12.33.

</edit>

Or it's a feature. Wouldn't surprise me if they changed it, as it would make more sense that you always use at least one CPU/core, instead of none. I'll go ask.

[edit] he he, when I change it to 0% it runs two cores on my 4 core. 1% = 1 core. ;-)
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9152) Message boards : Questions and problems : HELP PLEASE Project NOT obeying preferences! (Message 38899)
Posted 12 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Look, previously, on BOINC 5 versions, this preference said "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors", where X would in your case be 1 or 2.

This preference changed to an integer percentage usage for BOINC 6, where you fill in how many CPUs or CPU cores you want to use. 25% of 2 cores is INT(half a core) == zero cores. I can't help it, it's what the software says must be happening.

So then we touch on a good thing, that Gundolf said: Where did you set the preferences? On a project's website->Computing preferences? Or in 6.10 BOINC Manager->Advanced->Preferences, or 6.12 BOINC Manager->Tools->Computing preferences?

If on the web site, then do check that you're not inadvertently using the local preferences instead. These override all the same web-preferences. You can then change preferences on the web site until your walls fall down from neglected maintenance, but they won't be used.

How to check that you're using the local preferences?
Two ways for that. The simplest really is to exit BOINC fully and restart it, then check in the Messages tab (6.10) or the Event Log (6.12) for a line that says "Date Time | | Reading preferences override file". If that line is there, you're using local preferences.

If you do not want to restart BOINC for some reason, the second way to check for this file is to navigate to your BOINC Data directory (by default that's in /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/ on OS X) and check for a file called "global_prefs_override.xml". If that file is in your Data directory, then you're using the local preferences.

And if that file is there, please post its contents here. You can open it with any simple text editor, there's no need to get an XML reader.

If that file is there, your next decision should be what you want to use. Local preferences or web-preferences? If web-preferences, then open the local preferences and click Clear. If you prefer the local preferences, then you should change your settings here.
9153) Message boards : BOINC client : got an intel i5 cpu with 2 cores and hyper threading, but only 1 task running (Message 38895)
Posted 12 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Think of it this way, it doesn't say Run Overriding Preferences. Just Run Always. That's there if you don't want to use the time-of-day or other suspending preferences, for whatever reason you have. .
9154) Message boards : BOINC client : got an intel i5 cpu with 2 cores and hyper threading, but only 1 task running (Message 38891)
Posted 11 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How much work does it have on board?
About those preferences, what's the setting for "On multiprocessors, use X% of the processors"? This one will be used, no matter if you set Boinc to run Always or based on preferences. If not set to 100%, that'll likely be your culprit.
9155) Message boards : Projects : ClimatePrediction.Net (AKA CPDN) NEWS (Message 38889)
Posted 11 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Jonathan Miller wrote:
It is looking extremely likely that Climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk will require an emergency shutdown this afternoon (11 July 2011) at 15.00 BST.

We do not know how long the server will be down, but it is possible that it will be for several days.
Obviously the BOINC forum will be unavailable during this time.

I will endeavour to keep everyone informed of the status of the repair.

Please accept my apologies for the inconvenience.

Jonathan

Jonathan Miller
CPDN SysAdmin
9156) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38887)
Posted 11 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti is back.
9157) Message boards : Questions and problems : HELP PLEASE Project NOT obeying preferences! (Message 38886)
Posted 11 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
CPU however, is set to 'use at most 25% of multiprocessors'

Which, on a Core 2 Duo means that BOINC should use no CPU at all. The value here is integer, meaning that if you set it to 99% on a 2 core CPU, that only 1 core will be used (or any value from 50 - 99% for that matter).
0 - 49% will tell BOINC to use zero cores, since INT anything less than half of a 2 core CPU is how much? Yep, nothing. ;-)

and 'use at most 30% of CPU time'

This will run science applications for 3 seconds out of every 10 seconds. The app will run at full speed (100% CPU), before being suspended. No, BOINC does not use any sustained values, where you will see in Windows Task Manager that it uses only 30% of a core, as showing that value needs to call a specific Windows API.

Since BOINC is a one source -> multi-platform (Ubuntu Linux, Windows and OS X) program, it cannot fall back for specific things on specific platform calls, as then that call will not work under the other platforms, without needing to release different source codes... So the developers opted for running and suspending of the science application, so that this method of 'throttling' will work under any platform.

And if you then want to use something more OS specific, use a third party application, such as there are for Windows Threadmaster and Fred's TTrottle.

I don't know enough of OS X to say if there are similar programs for your Mac.
9158) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38878)
Posted 11 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which is weird, as it's two different connections and systems. I mean, the 100Mbit pipe is only for data, their forums run off a separate 1Gbit pipe through campus. It's also different servers that it all runs on, so it sounds like a collective power-outage, but then how do we type on these boards? ;-)
9159) Message boards : The Lounge : Change email address for foums only? (Message 38868)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, the forums on BOINC projects are integrated into the BOINC back-end software. Your unique email address will be used for both your account and your BOINC attachment. Only if projects use a 3rd party (phpBB) bulletin board, can you use different email addresses.

However, you could of course make a new email address and sign the projects over to that new email address. You will have to do that per project, through the Your Account pages.

It's what I did a couple of years ago, made myself a new Gmail account especially for BOINC. As long as you don't use it for anything else either, it won't fetch spam.
9160) Message boards : Questions and problems : Win 7 64 install problem (Message 38866)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If your error was something in the magnitude of "Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable.", then repairing the previous version is exactly what you should've done. The previous BOINC.msi was corrupt, repairing the installation fixed that.

You can now install 6.12.33 without problems.
Mind, this is a Windows problem, not so much a BOINC problem. It's Windows losing sight of where it put the installation file.
9161) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot build server on Darwin (OS X 10.5 PPC) (Message 38865)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded your plight to the developer for the Mac, earlier. Here's what he replied to me.

Sorry, we don't support using Macs for BOINC servers, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. WE just don't support it.

That said, he needs to use the OS 10.4 SDK, which should solve this problem. He can find some information about how to do this in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BuildMacApp and by looking at boinc/mac_build/buildcurl.sh in the SVN trunk and
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/DeveloperTools/Conceptual/cross_development/Configuring/configuring.html%23 in the section "Configuring a Makefile-Based Project".
9162) Message boards : Questions and problems : 6.12.33 fails to install normally in Vista. (Message 38851)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had a chat with one of the developers. He also feels it's the Windows Installer that does this, and then more precisely the part that makes a restore point. All Windows Installer files (MSIexec.exe and the .MSI files) will make a silent restore point when you install any program with such an installer.

It can happen that corruption occurs at making the restore point. When you then next run any program using the Windows Installer, it'll fall over this corrupt entry and instant BSOD or reboot the system. Therefore, that it happened to you (and me) with the BOINC installer is mere coincidence. It could've happened with any program you went to install that uses a Windows Installer.
9163) Message boards : Questions and problems : exclusive_app option (Message 38846)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also make sure that you run BOINC based on preferences.

One other thing that could be the problem is the game launcher. Some games use game launchers that only run for a bit (only during game launch), after which a totally different executable takes over. So check that the game in question doesn't do this as well.

Watch out with excluding 'game environment servers', such as Steam. If you exclude Steam and then forget to quit out of it after playing, your BOINC may do nothing for a long long time.

By the way, I was running Fear 2 last night during a spell where I couldn't sleep, and since I have set Steam as an excluded program, my BOINC did go into suspend mode as soon as Steam loaded:
08/07/2011 05:44:25 | | Suspending computation - an exclusive app is running
08/07/2011 05:44:25 | | Suspending network activity - an exclusive app is running
9164) Message boards : Questions and problems : 6.12.33 fails to install normally in Vista. (Message 38841)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
On the first occasion I had to use a previous restoe point to get me machine to even start up.

Yeah, I had something similar with the 6.13.0 installer. I did see a BSOD though (Stop: 0x000000f4) and went through the whole System Recovery thing. I'd never seen that before, so it was a new experience for me. :-)

But I don't think it's the BOINC installer that did this, it would've happened with any Windows installer you used. The error seems to be a corruption in the registry.

It is reasonably easy to fix and overcome: Uninstall BOINC through Programs->Uninstall a program, and then install the new BOINC.

There is no need to run any registry cleaners. Believe me, that will only make things worse.
9165) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 38829)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two fixes have gone into the 6.13.0 client already: 070711 and 070711.2

Change Log:

  • client: write log msgs saying whether GPUs are OpenCL-capable
  • client: fix bug introduced in [23765] that produced garbage in <coproc> elements in sched req msgs and elsewhere. peak_flops is a double. If you print it using %d, everything from that point forward is messed up.
  • client: fix typo that caused a lot of spurious "project has XXXXXX deadline misses" messages.
  • fix compile warnings


9166) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can network_test_url be set outside of cc_config.xml? (Message 38828)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just checked though if it was perhaps already an attribute on the client or the boinccmd tool and it isn't. There is no way to change this other than through cc_config.xml or by compiling your own client that uses a different page.

Hence Forwarded to development.
9167) Message boards : Projects : OPTIMA@HOME (Message 38826)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.isa.ru/dcsdg/

OPTIMA@HOME is a research project that uses Internet-connected computers to solve challenging large-scale optimization problems. The goal of optimization is to find a minimum (or maximum) for a given function. This topic is perfectly explained in the Internet. See for example excellent explanation by Arnold Newumaier. Many practical problems are reduced to the global optimization problems. At the moment this project runs an application that is aimed at solving molecular conformation problem. This is a very challenging global optimization problem consisting in finding the atomic cluster structure that has the minimal possible potential energy. Such structures plays an important role in understanding the nature of different materials, chemical reactions and other fields. The details about the problem can be found here. You can participate by downloading and running a free program on your computer.
9168) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 7.0 Change Log and news (Message 38823)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Putting the warning at the top of the thread, perhaps that people will see it then.

EXTRA WARNING

The new BOINC 6.13 range is using completely new, from the ground up rewritten code for many of its parts. It is not to be used if you are not an alpha tester. It is not to be used on all of your machines, just on one. When it doesn't work, report your problems to the developers and return to the latest 6.12.recommended.

At this time we're specifically testing whether or not the new CPU/GPU scheduling code works without using debt, and if projects will fetch work.

This is not a version that you install and walk away from, it needs constant checking, including the use of all the correct client configuration flags. Make sure your log files are of sufficient size so you can log through the night.

Minimum required flags to report with are <cpu_sched_debug>, <rr_simulation>, <sched_op_debug>, <work_fetch_debug>

Do not run experimental versions of BOINC on live projects, unless you also subscribe to the associated boinc_alpha mailing list, and have time to read and act upon any recall or hotfix notices for builds which turn out to be buggy.

Remember, these early 6.13s are not for prolonged use if you aren't going to send regular logs back to the developer. These versions will only annoy the heck out of you, since they will do work fetch completely different from what you have come to expect of BOINC. Just don't use it if you're not serious about it!



BOINC 6.13.0 available for testing for Windows and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new client to test. This client uses a new scheduler which should be more accurate with regards to resource share and makes in-roads to OpenCL detection and utilization. UI changes include an improved Simple GUI which is accessible and localizable and an improved project list which should be localizable and more descriptive.

We are not completely done with changes yet, we still have work-items for OpenID and Virtual Machine framework testing. We have begun the test process early to try and sort out any remaining scheduler issues which appear over prolonged use. So please run it as soon as possible and let us know what is and is not working correctly.

I'm putting together a new set of build machines for Linux which I hope will address the many issues related to missing libraries when run on distros other than the last Ubuntu LTS.

You can see the new scheduling policy described here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSchedOctTen

Please report bugs on the Alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.
When sending logs, make sure to CC David, Rom, or Charlie separately, since the email list will drop attachments!

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.
9169) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.33 released to public (Message 38822)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post about building your BOINC and any problems you have with that in the Q&P or Core Client forums. It's off topic in this thread.

Your building problems have nothing to do with the public release of 6.12.33 or the problems people have with missing libraries.
9170) Message boards : Server programs : Setting up a BOINC server (Message 38818)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Development is asking you to sign up to the Boinc_projects email list and send your questions there.

Signing up isn't that difficult, it's about as simple as signing up for these forums. Go to the Boinc_projects link I gave you and fill in the email address and name you want to use for the list, fill in a password and click Subscribe. Then go to your email address, click the link in the email you will have gotten from the list and that's it. You're registered to the list now and can send questions to it and get answers from developers and other project admin back.
9171) Message boards : Server programs : Make project help (Message 38794)
Posted 5 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume though that you went to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/QuickStart and started at point 1? In that case you're running the BOINC server virtual machine, but which one? Which one did you download?

Or did you start at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreateProjectCookbook ??
9172) Message boards : Server programs : Make project help (Message 38792)
Posted 5 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why don't you register at the boinc_projects email list then? It's really simple and it's also what we advise on the forums. Point is, through that list you will get help from all kinds of people who run projects, they have been where you are now and can really help you out. Way better than we can do on the forums.

So, go to http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_projects and fill in the email address and name you want to use for the list, fill in a password and click Subscribe. Then go to your email address, click the link in the email you will have gotten from the list and that's it. You're registered to the list now and can send questions to it.

It's almost as simple as registering to these forums.
9173) Message boards : Projects : New Project - Radioactive@Home (Message 38773)
Posted 4 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know Radioactive@Home is open to all, no invitation code needed.
See also http://radioactiveathome.org/boinc/create_account_form.php.

But since it's only got Linux apps so far and then only to test with as everyone is waiting for the necessary hardware to be available (which has to be bought by the user!), there's no hurry to attach here.
9174) Message boards : Questions and problems : File extention problem (Message 38768)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you don't mind, could you give more information, please?
9175) Message boards : Questions and problems : forgets me (Message 38761)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's the BOINC (client) version number that the manager is connected to.
9176) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 64 bit BSOD (Message 38758)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
But earlier everything worked fine with the same settings.

And a wholly different OS. Windows XP is not as resource hungry as Windows 7 is. On top of that, you went from a 32bit XP to a 64bit W7. The CPU is used differently by the OS, giving something of an overhead you didn't have before.

If all's OK, the science applications didn't change. Einstein has only got 32bit apps for Windows, same for Cosmo.

Still, it's a test. If you can run without BSODs when clocked at normal speed, it was that overclock. I am not saying you cannot overclock, but you may have to run it in a different style than you were used to before.
9177) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 64 bit BSOD (Message 38756)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The first minidump shows that your CPU crashed.
The other minidumps show memory related errors and 32bit vs 64bit errors.
They happened while Einstein was running, once while it was initiating (crash in csrss.exe)

You may have overclocked the i3 too far. First try to run at normal clock speeds, see if you get crashes still. Einstein's science apps do not like overclocked CPUs.
9178) Message boards : BOINC client : Host name? (Message 38746)
Posted 1 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is for the other user a BOINC Manager starting up?
If that's the case, you should be able to stop that happening. In BOINC Manager go:

If BOINC 6.10.58 or before, Advanced view->Advanced->Options->Uncheck "Run Manager at login?"->OK.
If BOINC 6.12.26 or later, Advanced view->Tools->Display and network options->Uncheck "Run Manager at login?"->OK.

That'll disable BOINC Manager to start up on that account. You will have to do this for each account where you do not want BOINC Manager to start up.
9179) Message boards : BOINC client : Linux BOINC manager 6.10.17 does not detect any useable GPU... (Message 38743)
Posted 1 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hold on... are you suggesting that *I* should approach the package maintainers and convince them to grant boinc user video access as part of the BOINC install process?

Nah, I wouldn't be so mundane. :-)

But I mean, just see where BOINC checks for the CUDA library on a Mac OSX system:
#ifdef __APPLE__
    cudalib = dlopen("/usr/local/cuda/lib/libcuda.dylib", RTLD_NOW);

It would be nice if Linux could be more general like that. If only if KDE systems would put it in location A and GNOME systems would put it in location B. Some generalization isn't that bad, is it? I mean, all Linux versions use general commands such as sudo, grep, bash and possibly yum. So what's wrong with a general place for (part of) the drivers, so all software developers out there can 'hardwire' that place into their software, so things can be found without needing to have the user go from novice to all-out-Linux-guru-in-one-day, just to make it work?
9180) Message boards : BOINC client : Host name? (Message 38741)
Posted 1 Jul 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The host name is the name of the computer, although in this case it's just 'localhost' (without the quotes). The password isn't the computer's password, but a password generated by BOINC itself. Normally you don't need either the name or the password.

However, in this case, it's because you switched users. By switching users all access to BOINC will go lost. No, you cannot run BOINC from the other account, unless you specifically said so in the installer (Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC). But even then it doesn't work.

For much the same reason why your videocard driver will switch to the Windows provided one when you use the Remote Desktop function, will all programs running under user 1 be unavailable to user 2: They're running in their own sandbox.

The only option you have, if you do not use a GPU on any project for calculations, is to install BOINC as a service. The it'll run under its own limited user account, while you can allow all users to control BOINC with the option in the installer. Then you can switch users without a problem, as BOINC runs under its own account. However, if you do use a GPU on any project, you cannot use the service installation, as then your GPU will not be detected. Windows security measure protecting your programs from running in the same level as your drivers.

Oh and by the way, the program is called BOINC. No, we're not all typing it wrong. Really. ;-)
9181) Message boards : Server programs : 1 task = 2 jobs why ? (Message 38739)
Posted 30 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best send that question to the BOINC Developers email list, if you want a quicker answer. See for the address, this sticky post.
9182) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple Managers getting confused with WU progress for multiple clients (Message 38734)
Posted 30 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If not -x, then /x as attributes. Although "-n namestring" is on 6.12 only, if I recall correctly.

So instead of c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe -m -g 31418 -n localhost
try
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe /m /g 31418 /n localhost
9183) Message boards : Questions and problems : installing boinc removes screensafer (Message 38732)
Posted 30 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have just tested this on Windows 7 64bit Ultimate. I set the Windows screen saver to Blank.

Then I uninstalled present 6.12.33 and reinstalled 6.10.58, specifying in the 3rd screen in the Installer to go Advanced->then uncheck "Use BOINC screen saver" and checked "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC", then continued installation. Afterwards I checked what happened to the screen saver, it stayed at Blank.

Then I installed 6.12.33 over 6.10.58, specifying in the 3rd screen in the Installer to go Advanced->then uncheck "Use BOINC screen saver" and checked "Allow all users on this computer to control BOINC", then continued installation. Afterwards I checked what happened to the screen saver, it stayed at Blank.

I cannot reproduce the problem.
So, which BOINC versions is this with?
Are you using the "Advanced->" option in the installer, or are you continuing the installation without detours?
9184) Message boards : BOINC client : Linux BOINC manager 6.10.17 does not detect any useable GPU... (Message 38728)
Posted 30 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You would expect the package maintainers to know all this and take it into account... ;-)
9185) Message boards : Promotion : OGame game with BOINC power plant energy resource (Message 38708)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Question wrote:
Why won't you allow for advertisements to show in BOINC Manager? Won't that give you an extra source of income?

David Anderson: Because that's against my philosophy.
9186) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unsupported processor - Globalscale Dreamplug (Message 38672)
Posted 25 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did a search for "armel" (without quotes) together with BOINC and Seti.
This is one of the sites I found: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/armel/boinc-app-seti
This is another that looks promising: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=boinc-app-seti
9187) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unsupported processor - Globalscale Dreamplug (Message 38670)
Posted 25 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hold on, which BOINC version did you get then and where did you get it from?
It must have been third party build specifically for the "arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi" type computer. So you should be able to get science applications through the same source.

You can check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DownloadOther, but I don't hold my hope up there. Since the BOINC was purposefully built for that type CPU, all science applications must be purposefully built for it as well.

See also http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=1219 and in Seti's case SETI Enhanced binaries for other Platforms and Astropulse binaries for other platforms.

I hope that helps.
9188) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Standard User Authorization (Message 38661)
Posted 24 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=492
9189) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38656)
Posted 24 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What, like http://www.esea.dk/esea/boincschedulers.php? I don't think anyone else took it up after Bruno left the scene. So the list there isn't updated anymore. However, BOINCStats has an updated list, one that you can even drag up on the screen, if you want to see it first.
9190) Message boards : BOINC client : Tuning (Message 38646)
Posted 23 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
David says "interesting idea". ;-)
9191) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia GPU (Message 38629)
Posted 22 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Project web site->Your account->Project preferences->Edit them.
There should be an entry there stating "Use Nvidia GPU", uncheck that one.
Check only "Use CPU".
Save changes with "Update preferences".

At the next contact with the project, these preferences will be used immediately. Do know that GPU work already cached in BOINC will have to be aborted or continued. Your choice there what you do with that.
9192) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38627)
Posted 22 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh damn, I hope it had nothing to do with the request I sent Jon, on giving one of the users a new authenticator key. ;-)
9193) Message boards : Questions and problems : issues with boinc 6.12.26 (Message 38623)
Posted 21 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you installing BOINC over a network, or directly on the machine?

You can try to re-register the Windows Installer.
1. Click Start, and then click Run.
2. In the Open box, type msiexec /unreg, and then press ENTER.
3. Click Start, and then click Run.
4. In the Open box, type msiexec /regserver, and then press ENTER.

One thing it could be is that there's something not right in the registry. You could try a freeware registry scanner to check all links in the registry and fix them.
9194) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing is suspended - requested by operating system (Message 38610)
Posted 21 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sleep after 2 hours, or after an hour when it's sent to sleep by MediaMonkey.

I logged on to my computing preference for the Rosetta project. My "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last X minutes" is set to "--- minutes" (no numeric value is displayed).

BOINC can't determine what sends your computer to sleep, so you'll just have to test. Set the value for "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last X minutes" to 59 or 119. This preference is used to suspend BOINC in a civilized way, so it can write its state to disk, before the computer's put to sleep. I set it at 1 minute before your sleep methods, but you must test which value suits you best.

Are you only running Rosetta?
Are you allowing BOINC to do work while the computer is in use?
9195) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC MANAGER (Message 38590)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It seems that there is no way of managing which units get run first or in parallel, though I don't suppose this is new, only just become apparent to me. They randomly start then stop from different points in the job queue, one project has 66% of the resources and the other 33%, can't find out where to change these.We have no way of changing the queue order or priority.

Why not let BOINC do the managing, instead of trying to tell it what to do?
What is it with the fascination of people that they think they know better than BOINC how to run things? Are you also shutting your CPUs/GPUs down and making the calculations yourself by hand or on a pocket calculator with slide rule? If not, why not? ;-)
Why are you trying to make decisions for BOINC? Sorry for the rant, but it's difficult for me to sit still when I read the complaints that the user can't tell BOINC how to do its work. Just leave it be, it can and will run perfectly fine, scheduling work to run in first in first out order, if you just manage to let it.

If you have many tasks starting for a bit, before they pause and the next tasks start, then you may have too much work. BOINC will try to finish all work by deadline, but if you set a work request that's just too much, spread over two projects, BOINC will not be able to cope. Not at first, at least. It'll learn, as long as you keep your fingers off of it and don't start deciding what's best for it. We call that micromanaging. It's unnecessary, BOINC will be able to run the tasks for your one project for 8 hours and the ones for your other project for 16 hours, on each 24 hours.

Parallel work can only be done by specific science applications. The only ones doing it on the CPUs are AQUA@Home and Milkyway@Home, which have socalled multi-threaded applications.
And then there are the GPU applications, where all the stream- or shader processors inside the graphics processing unit (GPU) will run the task in parallel, spreading the load, making work go so fast that most tasks will be done in mere minutes, rather than hours. Parallel processing isn't a BOINC thing, it's a project thing. The project will need to supply the science application capable of doing this.

There seems to be no way of reporting issues or concerns to the software authors other than through this third party system, leaving us all a bit detached.

You're at the BOINC Development forums, linked to from the BOINC web site, on the BOINC domain. How so is this third party?

Make a good point and I will forward your plight to the developers, who will then answer by themselves or through me.
Or else, why not do a look-see on the BOINC web site? There's email addresses to be found of the two main developers.

I seem to remember before this universal boinc gui the old command line SETI could be run with several instances independently and controllably. I also remember lots of concern at this potential loss at the time of transition to the new system. It seems that nothing has been done after all this time.

But your Seti command line program could only run Seti and then only one work-unit at a time. When the Seti project had hardware problems, you couldn't upload, download or do anything else. Your computer would then just dumbly sit there burning neutrons. With BOINC you have a whole array of other projects you can attach to, be it as main project or as back-up to Seti. You can set a (large) cache of work, in case Seti goes down and it's going to take several days for them to return. During that time your computer can continue doing science.

As an extra, the Seti program couldn't run Einstein, or ClimatePrediction.net, or Enigma, or Malariacontrol.net, or Pirates@Home, or LHC, or the Collatz Conjecture, or Milkyway, or Oribit@Home, or Primegrid, or... BOINC can do all that and more. It will even be able to run all those projects simultaneously, as long as you keep an eye on how you set the project resources (found at the projects) and the connect interval in combination with the additional work cache. It will run work on all CPU cores, it will use the GPUs for calculations when it detects them. Only on those projects that are capable of using the GPUs, of course.
9196) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Events in main Boinc window. -> Ctrl+shift+E (Message 38588)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am on the edge of a 3G broadband link area. I wish <ctrl><Shift>E did work but I get nothing in errorlog and with the loss of "messages" anyone without a reliable internet link has now found BOINC to be unusable.

How so? Explain yourself further, please. How has BOINC changed so much when it comes to connecting to project servers? What's wrong with checking, for instance, in the Transfers tab if there's work trying to upload? Or are you saying that the increased back-offs are causing you trouble? If so what kind of trouble?

And what do you do that CTRL+SHIFT+E does not work? Which operating system do you use? Do you have BOINC Manager focused on screen when you do that, or is something else on the foreground? have you tried setting BOINC Manager to the front before pressing CTRL+SHIFT+E at the same time? Were you by chance pressing them after each other? What if you go the longer route of BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Event Log?

It also changes the screensaver settings and a friend has informed me he had to take the battery out of his laptop due to SS lockup.

What settings have changed? Do you mean the config options? They are the same in 6.10. There have been changes to the screen saver code, yes, but those were mostly to how it exits and where it logs its logs to. Not to any preferences.

Sorry to say, but your friend should post for himself, if we're ever to figure his problem out. I can think of 10 things off the top of my head as to why a screen saver could crash a system and none of those comprise BOINC.
9197) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Disconnected (Message 38585)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There is that one, that I constantly forget. ;-)
9198) Message boards : Questions and problems : Different question about BOINCStats (Message 38583)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is something you would have to ask at the BOINCStats forums. We're not that, while BOINCStats is not affiliated in any way with us. Of course, your problem is still to get there, reliably.

As for Cup Ranks, I don't show in the list either. Probably has to do with this:
2011-03-03: BOINCstats - IMPORTANT: Combined User Accounts have changed unique ID's
Due to the problems with the database this week all combined user stats have been renumbered. This is the unique ID used at BOINCstats to identify a combined user stat. Not to be confused with the CPID or the BAM! id!! As a result, the link for the default signature has changed as well. Please look on your detailed stats page for the new link. Customized BAM! signatures are not affected, team, country and host stats or stats for the projects are also not affected. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.


9199) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINCStats in Win7 not showing (Message 38579)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've just opened BOINCStats in IE9 and IE9 64bit, both work without a problem.
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.

So see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956196 first.
Do follow Method 8 first, as it says on that page.
9200) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc Disconnected (Message 38577)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc has been working fine for the last few months, now the manager says it's disconnected from the client.

So instead of trying to fix BOINC, why not try to figure out what changed on your system that made BOINC break? That's where I would start.

A program has worked for ages, something changes on the system, the program now doesn't work. Do you really need to go fix the program, or do you need to figure out why the change to your system broke the program?

1. Reinstalling and tried to change my manager's preferences to default with the clear button. The clear button didn't really work as the settings remain exactly the same.

These are BOINC preferences, through which you tell it to do work like such and so. It has nothing to do with operating BOINC itself. So it's useless trying to reset these preferences.

2. Accessing gui_rpc_auth.cfg and changing it to an easier password. Note I have found 4 such files. They were located in
etc/boinc-client
home/'username'
usr/bin
var/lib/boinc-client

Depends on how you installed the latest BOINC, or probably where from. Berkeley installer or package manager?

3. I opened firewall ports 80, 443, 31416 which boinc is supposed to need to operate. Let me mention that my firewall was disabled. I had to enable it first before opening the ports. Since the firewall was disabled I doubt it would make any difference but still.

Here's a thing: You don't need to open ports 80 and 443 when your browser can access the internet on http and https addresses without fuss.
Here's another thing: If it worked before without you needing to add anything to a firewall or you enabling a firewall, then that is not what is blocking it at this time either! Just reason within reason.

But also I would like to suggest that since this is such a common problem you should put a Wiki entry on it with most common reasons and solutions.

The Wiki is open to all. Anyone, even you, who has registered an account there, could go post in there. That's different with my BOINC FAQs, those are closed off for editing to a select few, but then we're 3rd party help.

So, my help to you is this: try to figure out what changed on your system. Which changes were made to the system lately and which one is it that breaks your working system. Yes, that means that you will have to go back to before the last batch of changes that broke your system and then add those changes one by one, until you find the culprit. There's no easy way around that, that I see.
9201) Message boards : Questions and problems : "translate" process using all available CPU (Message 38573)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
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The boinc_project user runs the science applications and graphics applications under the secure installation.

What version of BOINC is that?
Are you sure about the 200% CPU? I ask as normally any OS will only add up everything to 100% and not go over that, as it's (dumb) to go over 100%. So how much percent is it really showing?

Which application is taking up that many cycles? It should show that as well.
Have you tried a full exit & restart of BOINC?
Have you tried a reboot of the system?
In case it's the QCN application that's taking up the amount of cycles, have you asked at their forums why it's doing that?
Is this a laptop or desktop Mac?
In case of a desktop, do you have an accelerometer attached to the system? Without it, there's no use to run QCN.
9202) Message boards : Questions and problems : and now for something completely different. (Message 38572)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, and?
I know what the DCF is and does. I asked you if you knew? Giving links to what it is isn't an answer to my questions. Why do you wish for a DCF of 100 and therefore do you even know what the DCF is and does?

So go ahead, go type. Make it your own answer, instead of using others their info. Try to learn something about the software before making (perhaps stupid) wishes. Or is that too much to ask?
9203) Message boards : Questions and problems : issues with boinc 6.12.26 (Message 38571)
Posted 20 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
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Solution 1: Change permissions for the All Users folder (Windows XP Professional, Windows 2000).

- If you use Windows XP Professional, temporarily disable simple file sharing:
- Choose Start > My Computer.
- Choose Tools > Folder Options.
- In the Folder Options window, select the View tab.
- In the Advanced Settings, deselect Use Simple File Sharing.
- Click OK to close the Folder Options window.
- In Windows Explorer, navigate to C:\Documents And Settings.
- Right-click the All Users folder and select Properties.
- In the All Users Properties window, select the Security tab.
- Select Administrators under Group Or User Names. If Full Control is not selected in the Permissions list, change the access control level to Full Control.
- Click Advanced.
-- For Windows XP Professional, select Replace Permission Entries On All Child Objects With Entries Shown Here That Apply To Child Objects

- Click OK. If a Security dialog appears, click Yes to continue.
- Click OK to close the All Users Properties dialog box.
- Install BOINC.
Re-enable simple file sharing:
- Select Start > My Computer.
- Select Tools > Folder Options.
- In the Folder Options window, select the View tab.
- In the Advanced Settings, select Use Simple File Sharing.
- Click OK to close the Folder Options window.

Solution 2: Change the sharing permissions.

- Choose Start > Run.
- Type %allusersprofile% in the Open textbox. Then click OK.
- Right-click the Shared Documents folder and select Properties.
- In the Shared Documents Properties window, select the Sharing tab. Select Share This Folder.
- Click Permissions, and select Everyone in Group Or User Names.
- Select Allow next to Full Control in Permissions, and then click OK.
- Click OK to close the Shared Documents Properties window.
- Install BOINC.

Solution 3: Correct permissions from the Command Prompt.

Use a Command Prompt window to manually assign the full administrator access that the installer needs.

- Choose Start > Run.
- Type cmd in the Open textbox. Then click OK. A Command Prompt window opens.
- In the Command Prompt window, type the following commands exactly as they appear below. Include all spaces and quotation marks, and press Enter at the end of each line:

cacls "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users" /T /E /C /G administrators:F

exit


- Install BOINC.

Solution 4: (Windows XP Professional and Home) Change the sharing permissions in Safe mode.

Restart in Safe mode:

- Restart the computer
- The second (or just before) you see the Windows Logo, press and hold down the F8 key.

Change permissions and install BOINC:

- Choose Start > Run.
- Type %allusersprofile% in the Open textbox. Then click OK.
- Right-click the Shared Documents folder, and select Properties.
- Click the Security tab.
- Select Everyone in Group Or User Names, and then select Allow next to Full Control in the Permissions. (For more information on changing permissions, see Windows Help.)
- Click Advanced, and select Replace Permission Entries On All Child Objects With Entries Shown Here That Apply To Child Objects.
- Click OK, click Yes, and then click OK to close the Shared Documents Properties dialog box.
- Select Start > Run.
- Type msconfig in the Open textbox. Then click OK. The System Configuration Utility opens.
- In the System Configuration Utility, select the General tab.
- Select Normal Startup - Load All Device Drivers And Services. Then click OK.
- Restart the computer.
- Install BOINC.

Solution 5: Turn off backup software services running on the computer before installing or upgrading BOINC.

Turn off a backup service running on the machine:

- Choose Start > Settings > Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Services
- In the right pane, select your backup service. This name varies depending on the software. See the documentation for your backup software for the name used in the Services panel.
- Right-click and select Stop from the context menu.
- Install BOINC.
- Right-click and select Start from the context menu.

9204) Message boards : Questions and problems : and now for something completely different. (Message 38566)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why? Do you know what the DCF does?
Explain...
9205) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Events in main Boinc window. -> Ctrl+shift+E (Message 38563)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What is possible?
9206) Message boards : BOINC client : Integration OpenCL / Cuda support in Boinc Core ? (Message 38562)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what you're on about, but BOINC can already recognize GPUs that can do calculations, be it for CUDA (since 6.2), CAL (since 6.10) or OpenCL. The client doesn't need to support it, as it doesn't do any calculations, it's just that it needs to recognize the hardware, which it does.
9207) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing is suspended - requested by operating system (Message 38548)
Posted 18 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
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You let your system go to sleep when you don't use it?
After how many minutes?
What is your BOINC preference then for "Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last X minutes" ?
9208) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing is suspended - requested by operating system (Message 38530)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Answer from the developers: This condition is met when the OS goes to sleep or hibernates. It should be in this state only briefly (until the OS suspends). If it's in this state longer, that's a bug.

Check what your web-preferences are for:
Suspend work while computer is on battery power?

Suspend work while computer is in use?

Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?

'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last X minutes

Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last X minutes


Or the same ones in your local preferences, if you use those.
And of course, what your power preferences are in Windows 7.
9209) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38529)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti upload server is disabled. You won't be able to upload to Seti.
9210) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 10.04.2 64-bit CUDA tasks never start (Message 38527)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
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If it's in BOINC Trac that you read the ticket, then those are bugs yet to be solved. If it's another Trac, please leave a link.

Idle detection on Linux is a fickle thing, depends heavily on which distro and which kernel of that distro you run. Then there's the USB detection problems.

You could test with BOINC 6.12.33, see if it works in that one.
9211) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computing is suspended - requested by operating system (Message 38526)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have never seen that one before either. The only one I can think of is that it has to do with something happening to a driver. Do you have a GPU? Has Windows by chance reset the driver (for whatever reason possible) and is it now running the Windows driver, instead of the driver you installed? You can test this by doing a reboot of the system, as that's the only way in Windows to reset broken drivers.
9212) Message boards : Questions and problems : No S@H WU d/l possible whilst uploads pending (Message 38525)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When the number of uploading tasks for a project exceeds two times the number of CPUs, the client doesn't fetch more work from that project. The thought behind this is this: Why continue to download work when you cannot upload it anyway?

So this is on a dual core CPU 2 * 2 + 1
On a quad core 2 * 4 + 1
On an octo core 2 * 8 + 1
Etc.

It won't stop work being downloaded from other projects your BOINC is attached to. If it does, then that's a bug.
9213) Message boards : Questions and problems : 6.12.26 Manager problems? (Message 38504)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
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If you have 6.12.26 Manager problems, where when you close BOINC Manager you find that tasks continue to run and you have to restart BOINC Manager and then exit it again to get the exit dialog, then yes, this is a bug in 6.12.26. It has been fixed already.

Please instead try 6.12.33, available from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php. It is available for Windows, Linux and Macintosh and has multiple other bug fixes:

Change Log 6.12.26 => 6.12.27:

  • client: Detect processor counts when the number of processors exceed 64 on Windows.
  • client: change the handling of account manager replies:

    --> Old:
    If the AM sends us a project we're already attached to, and the authenticator is different, print an error message and don't change anything.

    --> Problem:
    If the AM is using weak authenticators, and the user has changed their password, the weak authenticator changes. In this case the AM will send the new weak auth, the client will ignore it, and all subsequent scheduler RPCs will fail until the user removes/adds the project.

    --> Solution:
    If the AM sends us a new auth for a project, use it.

    Note: From the time the password is changed on the project to the next AM RPC, the client will have a bad weak auth and scheduler RPCs will fail. That's OK.
  • client: update to previous commit: only change the authenticator if both old and new authenticators are weak (strong authenticators don't change).
  • client: add <http_transfer_timeout_bps> config option. Defines the transfer rate below which the connection is considered idle, and timeout starts.
  • client: implement "report immediately" at the level of individual jobs rather than globally. To use this, projects must add <report_immediately/> to the <result> elements in job templates.
  • client: don't check memory usage immediately after hibernation.
  • client: show HTTP errors in text form as well as number.
  • client: fix problem with recursion in dir_size(), this time for real.
  • client/manager: don't show resource usage for non-CPU-intensive jobs.
  • client: XML-escape the contents of stderr files; otherwise non-ASCII characters in client_state.xml make it invalid XML.
  • client: fix (I think) to scheduling logic. A job is preemptable if it's finished its time slice and
    --> Old: has checkpointed in last 10 sec.
    --> New: has checkpointed since the end of the time slice.
  • client: Account for new registry location that the new VirtualBox installer stashes the version number. Check the new location first, if not found go back to the original location.
  • client: add log messages showing steps in exiting all tasks, enabled by <task_debug/>
  • client: remove redundant task-start messages.
  • client: on hibernate, don't wait for apps to exit (NCI apps never will).
  • client: if project is set to "don't request more work", report completed tasks immediately.
  • Mac SCR: Fix Mac crash bug when user clicks SS Test button in system preferences


Change Log 6.12.27 => 6.12.28:


  • MGR: Fix shutting down of Client on Linux.
  • client: escape only non-ASCII chars in stderr out, not control chars.


Change Log 6.12.28 => 6.12.30:


  • client: equate notices if their text is the same after removing digits, so that "need 25 GB disk" and "need 24 GB disk" don't result in 2 notices.
  • client: if <ncpus> is specified in config file, set host_info.p_ncpus to that value, so that scheduler requests report that number of CPUs.
  • client: when killing a nonresponsive task, kill its descendant processes too.
  • client: Rom pointed out that on Win in secure mode, the client won't be able to convert descendant PIDs to handles, and therefore won't be able to terminate them. Sigh.
    So terminate the main process using its handle (we'll still kill descendants in the non-secure case).
  • client: my checkin of 8 Apr 2011 didn't work in some cases, e.g.:
    client finishes a job before upload starts, work fetch runs and decides to fetch work from that project.

    Solution:
    set PROJECT::last_upload_start when job finishes, and clear it when a job is uploaded. Defer scheduler RPC for a limited time if last_upload_start is set, even if a transfer is not active.
  • MGR: Fix bug introduced on 6 Aug 2010: if currently connected host name is empty string, we must treat it as localhost. Implement different logic to skip exit confirmation dialog and avoid shutting down client if second instance of Manager is launched but Select Computer dialog is canceled.
  • MGR: Cleanup compiler warnings. Fixes [trac]#1051[/trac] (From: Steffen Möller).
  • client: condition "Got server request to delete file" messages on <file_xfer_debug>.
  • MGR: change simple view notices window title from Messages to Notices.
  • client: fix boinc_make_dirs() (from Josh Highley).
  • client: allow "non_cpu_intensive" to be specified independently for different apps in a project. This is intended to support projects that use the Attic file distribution system, which needs to have a daemon running.
  • Mac: Add new procinfo.cpp to XCode Project.
  • MGR: Use same exit confirmation dialog wording for Linux as for Windows.
  • MGR: tweak strings related to task FLOP size.
  • MGR: Fix About dialog to show (PowerPC) instead of (x86) when appropriate.
  • MGR: Rework exit dialog, client shutdown logic for second Manager instance.
  • Shut down local Client even If not connected to it.


Change Log 6.12.30 => 6.12.31


  • MGR: Disable list view rules for now.


Change Log 6.12.31 => 6.12.32:


  • MGR: Restore list view rules again.
  • MGR: Revert wording in Exit and Properties dialogs so existing translations will work.
  • MGR: Event Log menu item restores Event Log when Minimized.


Change Log 6.12.32 => 6.12.33:


  • MGR: Event Log menu item restores Event Log when Minimized; fixed on Mac and Windows XP, hopefully on other versions of Windows OS.
  • client: fix bug in logic that defers work fetch if upload active.
  • client: initialize some PROJECT fields (from Ian Hay). May fix bug in defer work fetch while uploading logic.

9214) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unloading BOINC (Message 38501)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please upgrade to BOINC 6.12.33, which will have this problem fixed. You can find 6.12.33 as a development version at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php. Even though it says development version, it's a fully working version, with lots of bug-fixes.
9215) Message boards : Web interfaces : Move to a PHP framework? (Message 38496)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to the developers. If they haven't answered you here within the next 24 hours, please consider writing the same thing to the BOINC Developers email list, whose address can be found in this post. Registration is needed on this list.
9216) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Throttling causing cuda task to not suspend when user active (Message 38495)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It also depends on what operating system you have and whether you have rebooted in the past couple of days. BOINC its idle detection on Windows Vista and Windows 7 runs through a small program called boinctray.exe.

When you install a new version of BOINC, all present files loaded into memory will be unloaded & these files will be deleted from disk by the uninstaller. Then the installer of the new BOINC puts the files back on the disk, but due to permission problems it cannot thus far restart boinctray.exe

And as such, it may well happen that you have upgraded your BOINC, that you're expecting it to follow your preferences but that it doesn't because it misses this idle detection program. It's only started from the registry, not by BOINC itself.

This is easily fixed, if you pass by on the BOINC programs directory and start the program ((double-)click on it to start it, it won't show any window or other confirmation that it's running, other than showing up in Windows Task Manager), or if you're finicky about that, reboot your system.
9217) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multiple Managers getting confused with WU progress for multiple clients (Message 38494)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can set up both clients to run with their own RPC port and then have both Managers start with that port as well. Then they should always show the correct client they're on.

You would have to start them (from your batch file, or script) in this fashion:
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe -m -g 31416 -n localhost
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31418 --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe -m -g 31418 -n localhost

You can use different port numbers, of course. The ones I used, 31416 (default) and 31418 are only examples.
9218) Message boards : Questions and problems : Ubuntu 10.04.2 64-bit CUDA tasks never start (Message 38488)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I have the tasks set to only run when the computer is idle, however, they never start.

Where did you set that? I ask as your log shows you to use the local preferences, so if you changed this in the online preferences, they'd never be used as the local preferences override the web-preferences. Also, are the Activity preferences for the GPU set to run based on preferences?

Thu 16 Jun 2011 12:27:32 BST Reading preferences override file
9219) Message boards : Projects : Cern Lhc project. (Message 38485)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or get Firefox 4, then that doesn't matter anymore. Double-clicking on anything resembling a link will open that page in a new tab.
9220) Message boards : Questions and problems : issues with boinc 6.12.26 (Message 38479)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1) was known and is fixed already. Please try 6.12.33, available from here to see this fixed.

2) I haven't heard from yet. See if you can reproduce this with 6.12.33 as well, please. I will forward this part of your post to the developers, just in case they heard of it before. With thanks.
9221) Message boards : Questions and problems : help.youtube.com access from Boinc?! (Message 38458)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
An answer back from one of the developers:

Rom Walton wrote:
By default applications resolve a given network name to an IP address using DNS servers. For instance the computer name in a URL means nothing to the network, the web browser has to convert it to an IP address before an actual HTTP request can be made. Both www.google.com and help.youtube.com resolve to the same IP address (74.125.77.147). The system that handles conversion of IP address to a name is called RDNS (Reverse Domain Name System) and is outside of the control of BOINC.

It just so happened that when the tool you were using to monitor network traffic looked up what www.google.com resolved to the RDNS system responded back with 'help.youtube.com' instead of 'www.google.com'

Network trickery like this will start to become more common in the coming years as the available pool of IPv4 addresses are gone. I suspect Google is adjusting their network internally to be IPv6 backend processing and using IPv4/IPv6 front-end machines to handle multiple web properties.
9222) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38449)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wasn't showing how to best read the archives, but was giving an example as to how emails would look like when you used non_Digest Mode. :-)
9223) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38442)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with it is that email lists are non-threaded so ALL topics are thrown into 1 giant icky confusing hodgepodge.

You probably had Digest Mode set to On. You can switch that off in all email list preferences and then you get emails in individually. Then you'll see them like so.

The Alpha forums are closed down.
Forums are quite old as well. Noah was on one requesting others how to make proper joints without nails.
9224) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38435)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
First, when they look different, they are different.

There has been no code change between 6.10.40 and 6.12.26 on how the stripes look. They are the same. No need to believe me, you go find code change then.

Third, I did NOT change my way of sitting in front of my TFT

Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? You imply that you haven't moved one thousandth of a millimeter in all this time between 6.10.40 and 6.12.whichever you're using. Which is impossible. And even if that's not what you meant, you don't sit exactly the same way each day in front of your monitor. Had I broken into your web cam and made pictures of you, I could show you that... now you'll have to do that yourself.

With that said, why don't you try? I did, I didn't feel weird or looked at weirdly by others when I did so. You should be in the confines of your own home, no one needs to see that you move your head an inch to the left, right, up or down from your normal apparently rigid position to test something.

Come a new version of BOINC and all you who do not like something about it come out of the wood work and start to complain. This you don't like, that you don't like, this is now 'broken' in your vision and you need to get to a personal level by saying that the developers screwed up.

I'm sorry? I haven't seen any of you make a comment about this new BOINC in all the time it was available for testing. All new BOINC is always available for testing. Now a new BOINC is out, all the socalled professional programmers come out to complain. I haven't seen any of you then say that you will join the BOINC ALPHA TEST, not only to give proper testing reviews as the present group of testers must be blind and shaking in their boots. No, you will also join to make sure that these developers will never do such an atrocious thing again. And else you will start your own BOINC, as the software is Open Source and you do know so much better... right?

I know you won't join.
I know you won't make your own software, while the source code is freely available.

Complaining is way easier. And so you attack the developers on a personal level. You call their work screwed up. You say to them that BOINC development needs to be stopped.

Who is the one that actually gets paid over programming this code? Who is the one that has to write a new report on all they did to the NSF every year to get a little money coming their way?

I don't get paid. I am a volunteer. I answer on these boards because I like these boards, I like the software. I am however not allowed to take it up for the developers, some of whom I consider friends, as then I come over as unreasonable, as attacking, as uncivil. Complaint emails about me will have to be written in to David.

And thus I quit now reacting to any of the complaints about new BOINC versions, this one, the next one and the one in a year and a half time. You want to be heard? There's the email lists, go post there. If you dare.
9225) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspended - computation suspended (Message 38426)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is normally set by whomever can use BOINC Manager. I haven't heard of a bug in these preferences in a long time. So let's say, Gremlins. :-)
9226) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspended - computation suspended (Message 38424)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check what the Activity menu is saying, please?
It should say "Run Always" or "Run based on preferences".
9227) Message boards : GPUs : Can I run BOINC programs on PCI (Not PCI-E) GPUs? (Message 38420)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm afraid I don't know the equivalent data for ATI.

Some HD3850s and HD4650/4850s are available in AGP format. Mostly from Sapphire and Powercolor.
9228) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC and IPv6 (Message 38406)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, the web site itself is IPv4. But why do you want to know?
If you want to know if BOINC is IPv6 compatible, then yes it is.
9229) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 38401)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
They keep being bugged... So, for the new retry:
BOINC 6.12.33 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • MGR: Event Log menu item restores Event Log when Minimized; fixed on Mac and Windows XP, hopefully on other versions of Windows OS.
  • client: fix bug in logic that defers work fetch if upload active.
  • client: initialize some PROJECT fields (from Ian Hay). May fix bug in defer work fetch while uploading logic.



I tell you, 6.12.36 has good vibes. That seems to be the winner... ;-)

9230) Message boards : Questions and problems : help.youtube.com access from Boinc?! (Message 38390)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
it would also be nice if we could get a look at the actual message. Does Little Snitch keep logs? If so, can you find where it said it and post with what it said word for word?
9231) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38388)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for the malariacontrol message, look at the date. That was five years ago on a long-gone dual p3. This computer is a single processor and is watching for orbit@home work but running einstein@home. One task at a time. BOINC's disk usage is set to 10GB with 58.49GB of the 80GB /home drive free.

Who's being defensive now? As if it could possibly NOT be anything to do with what I said. The setting up of the disk usage preferences hasn't changed in all these years, so the date doesn't matter. It also doesn't directly matter what CPU you have.

What will matter is what all the preference settings are, for memory and disk use. As then it does coincide with your old "This left no space on the partition for malariacontrol to save data."

And if that doesn't help, then you best ask at the project what could cause the error, as it's their science application throwing it. They will know how much real and virtual memory their application takes up, and thus what's best for the preference settings on those, especially the percentages.

It's very possible that a simple reboot helps out there. I see three tasks threw a signal 8 error with a stack fault, the other threw a signal 11. It all indicates something wrong with (virtual) memory or stuck in (virtual) memory.
9232) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38381)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I had four einstien@home tasks die and thought it might be due to changes to the project implemented for a newer boinc version.

Yeah, blame the BOINC version, ey? But, no. You would have to ask at the project what their take is on "process exited with code 38 (0x26, -218)", as this is a) a science application error code; b) it happened to you for two tasks under 6.10.58 and for two tasks under 6.12.32 (6.10.58, 6.10.58, 6.12.32, 6.12.32)

So no go on the blame the new BOINC version game, mister.
You had such an error before, on a different project. Check out old Malaria messages. So it's probably something you changed yourself, or forgot to change. The error message means that the device cannot operate because some of its chunks are still available in the memory. The hardware operation is impeded. It may stop the processes required for the device to run smoothly over the course of the application.
9233) Message boards : Questions and problems : Hangs and memory error (Message 38373)
Posted 12 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5925#34096 for what information we need to even start taking a look at what your problem is.
9234) Message boards : Questions and problems : Bug - Unrecoverable "Cannot connect to client" problem (Message 38372)
Posted 12 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This bug has been fixed already, but a couple of other bugs have been found that have to be eradicated and tested as well. So while we are at 6.12.32 with testing, you better not try the 6.12.32 version as it has a problem with an uninitialized upload_handler in the client code.

So please wait a while longer and do not upgrade to 6.12.32, not even for testing, as it will give problems downloading work to all projects attached to your BOINC.
9235) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38350)
Posted 11 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When I go through this process will any data recorded in the log files be preserved or will it be lost since this is a hard failure?

It won't be recorded. Only if a definite crash happens, which closes the program and frees you to the desktop, will information be written. When your complete computer hangs, the write process hangs as well.

BUT: I think your past experience was because your system ran with 2GB of RAM.
Why not test with the full 4GB first, and see if you can reproduce the problem? We're not going anywhere, you can always pick up this thread or start a new one when you experience it again.
9236) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38346)
Posted 11 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem with that is that there's not just the BOINC screen saver, but the project screen savers as well. If the main problem happens in them, it means that all the projects you're attached to that have a screen saver will have to recode their graphics application. That'll cost loads of money.

But, since the problem occurred in the CPDN screen saver, you can go to their "Your Account" page and adjust the Project preferences, edit them and set all the graphics options to something different, or off.

In BOINC there is already a trap that writes information to disk when things go awry. Check for that the following files in your BOINC Data directory: stderrscr.txt, stderrdae.txt, stderrgui.txt
9237) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help about client_state.xml (Message 38339)
Posted 11 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
@ both - we probably ought to move this conversation away from the News area.

Let me do something for my job-tag. Moved to the original thread.
9238) Message boards : Questions and problems : Wu thrashing in 6.12.30 (Message 38332)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Moved to Q&P.
Not a BOINC Manager or GUI problem. In the least a possible client problem, but then 6.12.30 has been deprecated already and we're up to 6.12.32 which has another big bug.

So you're better off waiting for 6.12.33 which comes out today and then test with that one. ;-)

And then, if you do want to test and give a correct log to show what's happening, use the debug flags, in this case <rr_simulation> and <sched_op_debug>

With thanks.
9239) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 38326)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For all who leave a rant & complaint and then stomp off back to their old version, consider this:

What's more important?
1. That science be done by as many people as possible, without as much fuss and difficulty, with a program that looks friendly and essentially does everything automatically as long as you let it?

or

2. Your personal opinion about how BOINC should look, how it should do the scheduling of work, which project should be run more than the next and how you can micromanage it to the ground and then complain that it doesn't work & it's broken?

I'd like to think that in the end it is all about the science. And really now, how many hours a week do you actually spend inside BOINC Manager? If your answer is more than a quarter of an hour... You may really need a better hobby. ;-)
9240) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 38325)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Doesn't give info as to possible problems with the deletion of the message tab.

Messages are still available, they're just in their own window now. Either Advanced->Event log, or press CTRL+SHIFT+E.

With the Notices tab making periodic checks against the SETI@home site there is also an increased overhead to an already overloaded system.

The Seti tasks are still coming down over a 100Mbit data pipeline, which is constantly clogged. These Notices are not fetched through that data pipeline, but through the 1 Gigabit connection that the web site runs through.
The Notices use the RSS procedure to get the info from all projects you're attached to, not just Seti.

Then again, the admins DO NOT update the front page in a timely manner, instead preferring to utilize the boards.

Then the admins will have to be taught of the new way. This is something new for them as well. Don't just trash it over what you've seen happen at Seti alone, there are plenty more projects out there.
Until the Messages tab comes back, I will continue to use an outdated, and possibly, inefficient version of BOINC as the tools therein are sufficient for my needs.

Hopefully the devs will notice that the users are not happy with the current version and reinstate the Messages tab. I'm not holding my breath, however.

"The users".. pretty much generalized. Has everyone else made you their spokesperson, and if so where did that take place? Links please.

You're the second one that makes it look like it's huge numbers of people that don't like the new Manager, while you can't come up with real numbers (let's face it, you're really only talking about yourself). In this thread there's been 3 people (yourself included) saying they didn't like it. On the whole forums, it's been 7 people.

3 of those 7 didn't like the new stripes, which are exactly the same as the old 6.10 stripes and they returned to using their old 6.10, as said with the same stripes. (By the way, if you do not believe me, here's a screen shot of the 6.10.58 + 6.12.32 Managers.)

4 of the 6 didn't like the Notices tab. Yes, I've been keeping numbers since the first person started with his "Many users" comment.

In total it's possibly 15 people who do not like the new BOINC Manager.

How about thinking outside your own boxed in little world for once and consider about how many people BOINC has lost in the past couple of years because they found the messages as threatening? That all they saw was them showing errors? That they just went and deinstalled the software, over misinterpreted messages? That it's nearly impossible to get people like that back? And what if I told you that those numbers are much much higher than you 15 disgruntled people? In the hundreds, thousands perhaps?

Who are you then that you are so important that the developers have to listen to you? Why all the tantrums, why all the (veiled) demands? What have you done (lately) for the BOINC developers? Paid them money? Helped them test the software? Helped them program any part of it?

So go on then, be disgruntled, stay in your little boxed in world. Yes, eventually the messages tab may make a comeback, but I wouldn't expect it to be back any time soon. Not before BOINC 7.4, which is perhaps 5 years into the future.

There's also the option, under Windows at least where that's easy, to run new client with old manager:
Just copy your present boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll to someplace safe, before you install the new version. Then after installing the new version, do not start it up, but exit the installer quietly, then copy your preserved boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll back to the BOINC directory. Overwrite the new versions.

Now start BOINC in your normal fashion.

9241) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 38322)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
In other words, don't fix what ain't broke, dude!

It would also be nice if people actually read the thread they posted in, so they'd know why certain changes were made.
9242) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Aborted work units...? (Message 38319)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And more information: it also depends on how warm the environment is you're in. Fans only move air, they don't cool air. So when the outside temperature (outside the case or laptop) is already 30 Celsius, then you're starting at 30 Celsius as that's the air temperature being pumped/sucked into the laptop.

Even the laptop cooler I pointed out will only move air, not cool it.
That you feel air being cooler when you stand in front of a fan is because fluids (sweat) will evaporate on your skin and the airflow over the fluids makes your skin feel cooler. A CPU, GPU or motherboard do not have that luxury.

It's probably wisest to run that laptop only in the evening/night, when it's cooler, or if you must have on it all day, then inside a refrigerated room (air conditioning).
9243) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Aborted work units...? (Message 38314)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah, a laptop. You then require (almost) an Active laptop cooler (see this Wikipedia article).

As for your work for the GPU, best ask at the project first. It's very well possible that it has had problems lately supplying enough work, seeing how many projects have had trouble lately staying upright.

And else you will have to tell us what you did already, whether or not your BOINC not only recognizes the GPU, but if it's also allowed to use it, some 20 lines of the start-up messages, etc. etc. There's nothing worse than having to pull information out of a user, when you as the user already know what you did and could tell us that. Without our Ouija board, selective tea leaves and crystal orb (on batteries), we're nowhere. ;-)
9244) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38311)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Find the differences in stripes:

BOINC Manager 6.10.58 + 6.12.32


Now, these have exactly the same stripes and rules. The lower picture may look different, but then that's because of how you sit in front of your monitor. Move your head around, side to side, go look at the pictures from a lower position, etc.

This is especially showing that way on LCD, TFT and LED monitors.

9245) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Aborted work units...? (Message 38309)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then I would be shopping for a new heat sink with fan pretty damn quick, as it sounds like yours doesn't work that well. Do know that the maximum safe temperature that the i-core CPUs can work at (i3, i5 and i7) is 105C.

I have an i3, 2 core with HT, and although I use the default fan that came with the CPU, it reaches 50C here. Then after 2 weeks of running with cat-, guinea pig- and rabbit hair all around, it's up to 65-70C... then I clean the fan & heat sink.

Something your system needs as well?
9246) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 38308)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.32 retracted for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • MGR: Restore list view rules again.
  • MGR: Revert wording in Exit and Properties dialogs so existing translations will work.
  • MGR: Event Log menu item restores Event Log when Minimized.

9247) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Aborted work units...? (Message 38304)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Aborted tasks will automatically be removed at the next contact with the project server, since they will have to be reported to that server as being aborted.

When you abort work you're telling the client to delete the task at hand, so it cannot be restarted.
9248) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38300)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Many people who were keen enough to update immediately to 6.12.26 have announced in these fora that they've reverted, or intend to revert, to what they were using before. (Only Windows users, as far as I know, have boincmgr.exe files they can keep.) Given the amount of resistance to the new BOINC Manager, there seems little point in developing BOINC any further until this resistance is addressed.

Of those "many people" --give a number then? 4, 5 perhaps?-- that didn't like the new BOINC Manager, it was about the Notices tab being there. Not about stripes.

I don't have numbers of people using BOINC 6.12. As far as I know, neither do you. Going by these forums, or the Seti ones, isn't accurate. What you see are people, more advanced users, who see a change that they do not like for personal reasons. This group of disgruntled people is small, extremely small when compared to the amount of people that BOINC lost because of misinterpreted messages (according to the survey, easily over 1,000).

That's people that you will never get back again. While you are still here, disgruntled as you may be, you haven't packed up and left.

Really though, when it comes to hard numbers... I was asked yesterday by the developers how many people I had seen on the forums complaining about the stripes/rules problem. I had to answer 2 or 3. Do you have any other numbers? Proof of them? Links to where they all posted en-masse?

The same goes for the Notices tab thing. In numbers it's 15 people perhaps that have said that they don't like it and are going back to 6.10.whatever. Is 15 people really a number in your opinion to hold all operations and start rethinking them, especially so when those 15 are still here, just running a different BOINC or have found their own way to run the new client but with the old GUI? What about the numbers that use BOINC View, BOINCTasks or other possible 3rd party GUIs? You also seem to forget that BOINC is more than just BOINC Manager, which is only the GUI. Saying that BOINC development must stop until the problems with the GUI have been fixed is like telling Microsoft to stop developing Windows because you do not like what Paint looks like.

Besides, the stripes are in BOINC 6.10.58/.60 as well. So if you don't like them in 6.12, why revert back to a version that has them as well?

Then there's this small but significant fact that BOINC is open source. If you do not like what you see, here is the source code, while here are instructions on how to compile it. Go make your own version, the one that suits you best.

(Again, these are my own opinions. They do not necessarily reflect how the developers think about you, or what Berkeley University thinks about these things)
9249) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38299)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Monitors - 1 LED and 1 LCD
Brightness - it runs a lower thermal temp then then norm, if I understand the question right, I manually set that within the monitors themselves
desktop theme - That's the reddish tint I mentioned, no specific name attached to it, and I tried Frost and it still had the lines.

These tell me a lot.

I myself work with an LED monitor, using a slightly higher than normal thermal temperature and when using a slightly reddish transparent tint around my windows, I see the stripes in BOINC Manager 6.12.26 very much pronounced. But that I attribute to the reddish tint playing tricks on my eyes. Bright colours do that to your eyes.

Hence why I asked you to try the frost tint. yes, you do still see the stripes in that one, as those won't go away, they're programmed into BOINC Manager. ;-)
But they do look a little more distinguished with a whiter transparent surrounding, than with a bright surrounding.

In 6.12.30 (Windows) + .31 (Mac & Linux), the rule is gone again, while the stripes are still there. You can test with that, see if it's easier on your eyes.

Those rules were put in because the bars (stripes) are not adequately visible on some monitors. between 6.10.40 (the first appearance of them) and 6.12.26 the developers spent a great deal of time playing with the colors, so they showed correctly on all monitor types.

Not having any stripes back there is hard on the eyes as well, especially when you then have a lot of messages, or a bucket load of tasks showing there. I suppose that one of the solutions would be --and I did mention that to the developers-- to allow the user to set his own background to the Manager. But again, that'll be food for thought for a future version.
9250) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 38289)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Re: 7
Take a look at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/roadmap & http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/timeline, see if that's what you're looking for.

I am a volunteer yes, but I am not on staff either.
BOINC is being developed and programmed by 3 developers only, 2 of which are full-time programmers, one a part-timer. The bulk of their efforts must be directed to making sure that BOINC handles the computational tasks correctly and efficiently, does not interfere with other uses of the volunteers' computers, has support for developing technologies such as GPU computing, etc.

Re 8:
We have specific email lists to reach the Gods. The Alpha list has one, the developers list has one, then there's one for localization & translation, one for projects & their admins, and some others. A full list can be found at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/email_lists.php

I have some more direct lines to the Gods, but normally the email lists are enough as you can easily reach them and the other volunteers (programmers, translators, testers, admins etc.) through there.
9251) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 38286)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.30 retracted for Windows.
BOINC 6.12.31 retracted for Linux and Macintosh.


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log 6.12.30:


  • client: equate notices if their text is the same after removing digits, so that "need 25 GB disk" and "need 24 GB disk" don't result in 2 notices.
  • client: if <ncpus> is specified in config file, set host_info.p_ncpus to that value, so that scheduler requests report that number of CPUs.
  • client: when killing a nonresponsive task, kill its descendant processes too.
  • client: Rom pointed out that on Win in secure mode, the client won't be able to convert descendant PIDs to handles, and therefore won't be able to terminate them. Sigh.
    So terminate the main process using its handle (we'll still kill descendants in the non-secure case).
  • client: my checkin of 8 Apr 2011 didn't work in some cases, e.g.:
    client finishes a job before upload starts, work fetch runs and decides to fetch work from that project.

    Solution:
    set PROJECT::last_upload_start when job finishes, and clear it when a job is uploaded. Defer scheduler RPC for a limited time if last_upload_start is set, even if a transfer is not active.
  • MGR: Fix bug introduced on 6 Aug 2010: if currently connected host name is empty string, we must treat it as localhost. Implement different logic to skip exit confirmation dialog and avoid shutting down client if second instance of Manager is launched but Select Computer dialog is canceled.
  • MGR: Cleanup compiler warnings. Fixes [trac]#1051[/trac] (From: Steffen Möller).
  • client: condition "Got server request to delete file" messages on <file_xfer_debug>.
  • MGR: change simple view notices window title from Messages to Notices.
  • client: fix boinc_make_dirs() (from Josh Highley).
  • client: allow "non_cpu_intensive" to be specified independently for different apps in a project. This is intended to support projects that use the Attic file distribution system, which needs to have a daemon running.
  • Mac: Add new procinfo.cpp to XCode Project.
  • MGR: Use same exit confirmation dialog wording for Linux as for Windows.
  • MGR: tweak strings related to task FLOP size.
  • MGR: Fix About dialog to show (PowerPC) instead of (x86) when appropriate.
  • MGR: Rework exit dialog, client shutdown logic for second Manager instance.
  • Shut down local Client even If not connected to it.


Change Log 6.12.31


  • MGR: Disable list view rules for now.

9252) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 38285)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
2. Inside that tab allow the user to link in his favorite RSS software.

And then the user has to go to all of the projects he or she has their BOINC attached to and find how those projects relay RSS, if at all. Now it's being done by the client, completely automatically, without fuss and without clogging up your normal RSS reader.

Why not call it RSS? As even I don't fully know what it means or stands for, do you --without having to look it up ?? So what do you think a new user will think of that? Plus it would confuse those that have an RSS reader already, thinking they'd need to do something about getting the feed to their reader. They don't. new name == less confusion.

4: Why a built in RSS? If the user has or needs one, why tie it to BOINC?

As this way you will only get notices from BOINC projects, and only from those your BOINC is attached to. Simple, nay?

6. If the New Boinc version is to be a MultiSystem Boinc manager, isn't that a major change? If so, this should have a major version change - 7, not 6. It should also be in beta for quite a while.

BOINC has always been multi-system. If at least you mean one can run it on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, and a whole load of other platforms. One source code - many platforms.

If you mean being able to run more than one BOINC Manager on the same system, whereby the second, third, fourth etc. ones go to keep an eye on a BOINC client running elsewhere on the network, then do know that BOINC has had this functionality since 5.2 as well. the only change is that the second BOINC Manager now automatically opens as a network seeking manager, not a local one that you would have to point to the network.

The thing where you find you need to fill in a password has always been done this way, if it wasn't working like that in the past then that way was broken and the new way is fixed!

The much seen BOINC Manager cannot connect to a client message is usually contributed to not allowing BOINC's parts through your local firewall, but it can also be contributed to not having the correct password for the manager.

This password is by default created by BOINC upon first start-up. It lives in the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and by default it is a 32 character hexadecimal key. You can configure it to reflect a password of your own choice, or when you find it being defective, you can easily exit BOINC completely, remove the gui_rpc_auth.cfg file from your BOINC DATA directory, then restart BOINC. 9 out of 10 times you'll find that has fixed your problem. And if it doesn't then there's always plenty of forums to ask for help on. :-)

7. Is there a design spec for Boinc 7 as a MS manager? Is it publicly available for review and comment?

BOINC 7 is plenty of unfinished Source Code. Check out trunk for it.

8. If you want user ideas, why not a Suggestions link on this site?

You have a whole forums to post to, but that's not enough? ;-)
There is the BOINC Development email list.
If that's not to your liking either, you can always email David Anderson.
9253) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 x64 and Screen power saving (Message 38282)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Blank Screensaver at 1hr

Set that one to 30 (minutes) and if you don't mind, increase your screen turn off time by a minute.
9254) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 38281)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
3. The help window does not show the new arrangement! It's no help at all.

All BOINC 6.12 versions will now go to this help page. Previous versions will still go to the old one.
9255) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 38277)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am not going to answer any of your other questions at this time, as I am called in to the fray to rapidly make a 6.12 help page, with thanks to you. But at least all 6.12 clients out there will then go to the correct help page.
It should also be in beta for quite a while.

It has been in ALPHA for quite a while. The developers are always on the look-out for new testers, so why not join? See the instructions to see how.

For change logs and developer comments, see the change log thread.

P.S: Posts have an edit button, which will allow you to edit your posts for an hour after you made the post. Unless you're a moderator, then edit time is unlimited.
9256) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 38273)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The hiding of the Messages Log and the adding of the Notification tab was done for a purpose: To help new people who would otherwise mistake all the messages for errors and who would then run away, uninstall the software, be gone, without being a help to the projects. It's time that the established Advanced BOINC user started to look at the people around him/her and check how they saw the program. As a help? As something scary?

The BOINC developers have been running a survey for over a year, with the outcome of it being that new users would see the messages as a hindrance, more than help. It's still apparent from many a project's forums that not all messages are seen as information, but as something that the user apparently needs to do by hand, like deleting of files. As such the messages are hidden, while they can be gotten to by the more advanced users. If you see yourself as such a user, then why do you run away?

Notifications are there to show:
a) News from projects.
b) Messages to users specifically about things that they can't do anything about, and made clear that there is no user help needed!

It's that brilliantly simple. Had BOINC been doing this since its inception, you wouldn't know any better and wouldn't have complained.

And besides, it isn't just the Notices that changed under this BOINC. That's just a cosmetics change, it doesn't say anything about the engine that changed a lot as well. If you truly do not want to run with the new BOINC Manager, you can do so by running the new BOINC with the old BOINC manager (retain the present 6.10.60 boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll and restore those in the new BOINC programs directory, overwriting the newer ones.). You can also opt to run with any third party Manager.

So it's kind of childish to throw your toys out of the room and stomp off back to a previous BOINC just because you're afraid of ... what exactly? Change? The apparent coming demise of BOINC?

Now, I agree with you on point 3, that still needs to be fixed. Or added to, if development keeps the older BOINC versions around for a long time. But the rest?

(This is my own opinion, not necessarily reflecting that of the developers or of the establishment at Berkeley University)
9257) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 38269)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
CTRL + SHIFT + E will open the Event Log when you have BOINC Manager open in Advanced View.
9258) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38263)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I understood x86 to refer to a particular Intel architecture, which is quite different from PowerPC architecture.

I expect what's happening here is that the Intel and PowerPC running codes are sharing message resources.

[trac]changeset:23674[/trac] shows "MGR: Fix About dialog to show (PowerPC) instead of (x86) when appropriate."

(I did forward it to the developer. ;-))
9259) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc failing to close apps (Message 38262)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
I'm happy to report that we have found and fixed the bug responsible for all these symptoms for the next release, which should be out very soon.

Cheers,
--Charlie
9260) Message boards : Questions and problems : Show Graphics grade out (Message 38261)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Charlie Fenton wrote:
I'm happy to report that we have found and fixed the bug responsible for all these symptoms for the next release, which should be out very soon.

Cheers,
--Charlie
9261) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 x64 and Screen power saving (Message 38260)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC screen saver has a couple of options:


What is your setting for "Blank screensaver after", please?
9262) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38254)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right now, most of what you request is for every detail to be user configurable. Applications which have highly customizable appearances often have a large paid staff of programmers, or are such that the UI is the major part of the application.

Please do know that BOINC is being developed and programmed by 3 developers only, 2 of which are full-time programmers, one a part-timer. The bulk of their efforts must be directed to making sure that BOINC handles the computational tasks correctly and efficiently, does not interfere with other uses of the volunteers' computers, has support for developing technologies such as GPU computing, etc.

The BOINC Manager is a tool for controlling and monitoring the computation. There is just no time to deal with cosmetic niceties. Sorry.
9263) Message boards : Questions and problems : Show Graphics grade out (Message 38253)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, this has now been recognized by the developers as a now-you-see-it-now-you-don't bug. This means that they will take a look at it, but cannot give a time frame as to when this will be fixed, as it doesn't always happen.
9264) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Clients for other platforms (Message 38251)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Part of the code in the .26 client causes hosts to get a new hostID each time they contact BAM! Probably not something you want your clients to do. :)
9265) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38249)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't say there were no stripes in 6.10.58. I said there were no darker lines along their borders — ie. between the grey and the white.

Yes, allright. I read your post wrong. My apologies.
9266) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38246)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
After installing the drivers I get 4 separate "Open File Security Warning" pop ups every time I boot. (igfxtray.exe, hkcmd.exe, GfxUI.exe, and igfxpers.exe)

Yeah, that's something by Windows. See here for a workaround. Do heed the warning message.

You should also be able to uninstall the drivers, or do a Windows roll-back to before. But then you would need to update the drivers from Dell. See this page for those. I know it says Inspirion 537ST, but that's for the S and the ST.

I went into BIOS but could not find an option to deal with the 750MB video memory issue.

Yeah, I can't seem to find that one either in your motherboard manual. I will keep looking, though. Always fun, these hunts. :)

Windows Update indicates two updates that I've not installed -
Intel Corporation - Display - Intel(R) G41 Express Chipset
and
Realtek - Network - Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller

I've been ignoring these the last few months. If I installed them would it make the "Open File Security Warning" pop ups disappear?

Yep, you can try those as well.

The ReadMe file for the video driver that I installed says to Click on "Device Manager" and select "Display adapters". The Intel Graphics Driver should be listed. If not, the driver is not installed correctly. It is not listed. Intel(R) G41 Express Chipset is listed.

It sounds to me that it's showing that it's got the G41 drivers installed, which is correct as that's your video chipset.

The discovery that I have 1/2 the RAM that I purchased is disturbing. I purchased 4GB. I will open the case tomorrow and see if I can find out what's going on.

I would first check what Dell has to say about that, in case you're burning your warranty when you open up the case without being a certified Dell repair-person. Them, Compaq and Acer are icky like that. Check the sticker on the case, or your manuals.
9267) Message boards : Questions and problems : What Happening???? (Message 38241)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is the managing program. I does not dictate to the projects what they should do. When a project has trouble sending out its data to the users, that isn't BOINC its fault but the project's.

Therefore, if you have trouble downloading, uploading or reporting work, you will have to complain about it at the forums of that project, not at the BOINC forums. You have trouble downloading work from Seti, so you have to go over to the Seti pages, read their front page for information, read their forums for information and then come to the conclusion that Seti has had problems with a data storage device for the past week or so, which is causing all kinds of extra trouble.

All nothing to do with BOINC. BOINC works as it should.
All nothing to do with me. I only answer at the forums here.

So if you want to go take out problems that you have with a project on me, you're at the wrong address. Please keep your answers civil.
9268) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38240)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
and have found a very minor mistake in the "About BOINC Manager" display. It gives the version as "6.12.26 (x86)", whereas of course my G5 is running the Mac "universal" application's PowerPC code.

The distinction (x86) and (x64) are for the 32bit and 64bit versions of BOINC.
I suppose the 'universal' PowerPC version is 32bit?
9269) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38238)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I got that information from the developer for the Mac, plus the whole email conversation between the developers about it. I doubt it wasn't in the 6.10.58 version on the Mac, as the source code that BOINC is compiled from for Windows, Linux and the Macintosh is the same source code between all platforms.

So if one has stripes, all have stripes.

I even just went back to 6.10.58 to see what it looks like, and here is the screen shot:


Still stripes, though not as pronounced. I agree with that.
9270) Message boards : Questions and problems : What Happening???? (Message 38235)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have reached the BOINC forums. We're not the Seti forums, which you want to ask that question at. It isn't BOINC that's at fault that a project cannot give out any work, you will have to ask at the project's forums or check its news for information on that.
9271) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38233)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Part of it may have to do with my color scheme choice, I use a transparent red tint.

I am testing with such a thing and although the stripes did not change, the colour red makes my eyes think that the stripes are more pronounced.

So something for you to test, I think that's only fair.
Right click Desktop->Personalize->Window Color->Select color 'Frost'->Save changes.

Now open up BOINC Manager. Is it still so 'busy'?

And please, do still give the answers to the other information I asked:
Multiple monitors, what are they? CRT, LCD, TFT, LED?
Which monitor do you use and see this on?
With what screen resolution?
With what kind of screen refresh?
What kind of screen brightness?
Is Vsynch on or off?
Multiple ATI cards, which ones?
What desktop theme are you using?
9272) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38232)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having to open a separate window and keep that window open is frustrating.

How is an extra window opening 'frustrating'?

Your words that you getting 'constant complaints' regarding the Notices Tab and the Event Log, doesn't that mean, that more and more people don't care for the way it's being displayed now and maybe some form of change is warranted?

Sure, there are complaints around these forums and the Seti forums. But those would still be a minority if I understood the numbers correctly of people who will not even post on a forums to ask for help on what a message means, but instead immediately uninstall BOINC and go away, never to return again, because those messages frighten them. Or frustrate them.

And I said constant complaints, but then I am not a developer, just the moderator of these forums. :)

I tried to figure out a way to send you images of the lines I get, but though I have images, I don't have a way to post them since the forums aren't taking a local machine upload of a file - at least not that I can figure out.

No, you have to put them in an external place, just as I did. I used Photobucket.


If it helps, the picture shown under Ageless' post shows very light horizontal grey lines, such as between the CPDN Beta line items. Those are basically the lines I'm talking about, but on my machine they are dark and very noticeable and fill the entire grid left to right, even if the columns aren't widened to fill the entire space.


Just FYI, my machine is a Windows7 Ultimate system, with multiple monitors and multi ATI graphic cards crossfire linked (though I don't think those items would effect the look - but just in case).

OK, Windows 7 Ultimate, 32bit or 64bit?
Multiple monitors, what are they? CRT, LCD, TFT, LED?
With what screen resolution?
With what kind of screen refresh?
What kind of screen brightness?
Is Vsynch on or off?
Multiple ATI cards, which ones?
What desktop theme are you using?
9273) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Clients for other platforms (Message 38220)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah... I thought it was fixed in .28. Appears not to be. :-)
9274) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc failing to close apps (Message 38214)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
And version numbers?

(I'd mostly quote Richard:)

You too. {slap}

:)

Let me rephrase that: From which BOINC version did you see this behaviour? When you're an alpha tester, did you see it in alpha versions?

I have the feeling it has to do with how opening a second BOINC Manager has changed... thread is known to the developers.
9275) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38212)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, we're not going anywhere. :-)
9276) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 38209)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah thanks, Pepo.
I'll leave my 'translation' post standing, while we have a conversation what to do about the person behind the posts.
9277) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc failing to close apps (Message 38207)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How is BOINC started on your systems and under which operating system? Can you all please post that? Also with which BOINC versions you've seen this, so far?

e.g.
Through the registry at Windows start-up?
As a service?
Manually starting the client first, then the manager?
9278) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38205)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The light-gray "rules" (lines) and light-gray "stripes" have been there since 6.10.40. The developers did this because the alternating white and gray "stripes" did not show up well on all monitors. It was implemented in March 2010, and thus far no one has made a complaint about it.

As for the constant complaint about the Notices tab and the Event Log window, Let me copy some earlier answers of mine to this thread:

Notices were added to make BOINC as a whole friendlier and easier to use for new people, since they made the complaint in the BOINC survey that the messages were scaring them away. Messages were always perceived to be errors, even when they were giving the user information about the running of the program/projects.

Notices will be messages that require a user's attention, or which are (project) news. Things you can do something about, such as a project unable to fetch work --because you chose the wrong application for which there is no work-- will give a Notice.

Things you cannot do anything about, such as Server is down messages, will only show in the Event Log, not in the Notices. The Event Log is where the Messages went to, a separate window with the whole log from BOINC startup. Advanced->Event Log.

You can easily open the Event Log through the key combo of CTRL+SHIFT+E.

A friend of mine on Seti explained the Messages window to the people there, let me copy his posts over:
OzzF4|\| wrote:
Moral of the story: Remember, we all started using BOINC, which was someone else's idea to begin with. Many people criticized the software for being too "geeky", and that criticism sticks to this day. If the Messages tab wasn't a tab to begin with, would we still be having this argument today? I see nothing wrong with the developers trying to give BOINC a more universal appeal to attract more users for the projects, even if that means our techy messages needs to be buried a little deeper to prevent it from scaring some people.

If we all truly believe in distributed computing, and that every CPU on every platform in every device should be spending their spare cycles crunching for science to further mankind, then this is the right path to follow.


OzzF4|\| wrote:
BilBg wrote:
For me "the right path to follow" is: give options to the users!

The problem is not with the new default look - The problem is that it is the only look.

The only people that are asking for options are the advanced users, which are a minority of users.

Then, many of us advanced users help out over in Q&A and often we'll end up telling the user to "unhide" the Messages Tab and tell us what's in there, which means they'll leave the Messages tab unhidden after they've received help. Then we're back at square one of users seeing the Messages tab and being able to misinterpret informative messages as errors.

People abuse options they're given. People have the option of setting up to 20 days of cache even though this messes with the BOINC scheduler, yet people do it anyway, then they complain that BOINC is broken.
9279) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 38200)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I am trying to understand this.

I have repeatedly warned tehsluzhbu that my host controller from motives unknown to me disconnect on weekends (when you probably do not have oversight over them).
Make invertivnuyu distribution package (supposedly I have a virus) but on Monday everything falls into place.

I get that you do not have internet in the weekends, but that it works from Monday to Friday, is that correct?
I also get that you seem to have a Linux installation, seeing as you talk about a distribution package of BOINC, is that correct?

If you have a virus, it's most probably a rootkit. In that case http://cayfer.bilkent.edu.tr/~cayfer/linux/Detecting_and_Removing_Rootkits.html may be of use to you.

So that such valuable for tracking of people lost their jobs, I'm blocked. Ask me to communicate only officially: documented through the mail.
So where should I forward correlation.

Who asked you to send the log file? No one here did, or at least not while you used the account you're posting with now. Do you have multiple accounts?
Or did you as for help at Seti and did they ask you to post your messages or something like that?

Because of the fair-haired bespectacled in apartment 90 which ustanovid me against the wall personal proxy business project http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ suspended.

There is no project at that address, you do not have to attach to anything at that address. The address you gave shows the BOINC website. There is no proxy at that address either. If you want to use a proxy, you'll have to use a different one.

And if you try or tried to run BOINC from work, then you would have to ask permission first, before running BOINC. It's the first rule at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Usage_rules:
Run BOINC only on authorized computers

Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.
9280) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC Clients for other platforms (Message 38199)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better port 6.12.28, Lars as 6.12.26 contains a big bug towards the account manager BAM!
That one's fixed in 6.12.28
9281) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc failing to close apps (Message 38198)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wish BOINC can cancel 6.12.26 ,and roll version back to 6.10.58 ASAP .Because Its harmful to my laptop ,when my laptop was too hot I usually exit boinc, But now it will keep running apps and my laptop always running to die(too hot) .Maybe this version will reduce my laptop·s age forever .

No one is forcing you to run BOINC. If you feel it is doing harmful things to your hardware, uninstall BOINC. You have the choice, there is no requirement to run BOINC at any time!
9282) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc failing to close apps (Message 38197)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does anyone see the BOINC manager exit dialog?

Else, what's the status of it?
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->
For 6.12 and above: Tools->Display and network options...->General->Is "Enable Manager exit dialog?" checked? If not, do so and click OK to save changes.
For 6.10 and below: Advanced->Options->General->Is "Enable Manager exit dialog?" checked? If not, do so and click OK to save changes.
9283) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Recent modifications to Boinc Mgr look - not liking it [have included suggestions] (Message 38192)
Posted 6 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
#1 - the lines in between each project/task. This is too busy looking and now makes it very difficult to read. The white/gray alternate bars were plenty to differentiate each line of information. If nothing else, give us an option to turn this feature on or off.

I forwarded your post to the developers and the first answer I got back was "What lines? There should be no lines. what platform is he on?", to which I must agree. What lines do you mean?

Here's what my BOINC Manager looks like under Windows 7:


Now do tell, what lines?
9284) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38191)
Posted 5 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I just wonder if it is worth it...

In case you find it worth it, go to this page for the download of the drivers. Save on your system and run them, then follow the on-screen instructions.

It may also be a good idea to update the motherboard chipset drivers, see here for those.
9285) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38190)
Posted 5 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks, that was a bit more information than I needed, but better be overcomplete than incomplete. ;-)

Card name: Intel(R) G41 Express Chipset
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip type: Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2E32&SUBSYS_02E11028&REV_03
Display Memory: 814 MB
Dedicated Memory: 64 MB
Shared Memory: 750 MB

So you use the embedded videochip, which has 64MB memory of its own and 'loans' 750MB of your main RAM. Honestly, I would immediately go into the BIOS and disable the 'stealing' of the normal RAM. I take it that if you want to go game on that system, that you add a good videocard and do not let yourself be whacked on the head with an embedded chip. :-)

Memory: 2048MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2014MB RAM

If you wanted to go game on that system, or heck even do something with it, you would really be better off increasing the amount of memory in that baby. 2GB of RAM is no longer of this world, especially not when you have a 64bit operating system that can take 4GB and more RAM and utilize it!

Having only got 2Gb of RAM and telling the videochip to take 750MB of that may already be a cause for a hanging system, as now it may well be that when you run BOINC that this system is starting to go use a lot of page file, which is virtual memory on the hard drive, thus slower. A LOT slower. Possibly even slow enough that you can hit CTRL+ALT+DEL all you want, but that it'll take a long time for the OS to figure that one out and comply.

As let's see, CPDN takes up 500MB RAM easily. Add to that 750MB of memory you added to the videocard and all of a sudden your Windows has only got only got 750MB of RAM to run in. I can tell you, that ain't enough. Especially not when you have all of that eye-candy on in Windows. You know what I mean, the sounds, 1,400 fonts, the rounded corners on windows, the moving of windows with the contents of the window visible, etc. etc.

That's all crap that will take up memory. And with 750MB of it left, it's off to the page file rather quickly.
Page File: 2808MB used, 1217MB available

You are using 2808MB of virtual memory, of not real memory that lives on the hard drive, of slow not real memory. You're using MORE memory on the hard drive than you have real RAM in your system!

Then I haven't even touched the fact that the graphics that BOINC uses for most projects are OpenGL 3D graphics. That you need drivers installed on your videocard (or chip) so it can do OpenGL. That the drivers installed by Windows do not include the OpenGL part as it is a direct competitor to the DirectX 3D code of Microsoft. And as such that you will need to go by Intel's web site and download and install their motherboard- and embedded chipset drivers, to enable the OpenGL part of your videochip.

I just wonder if it is worth it...
9286) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38180)
Posted 5 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that you can run BOINC without the screen saver, that the graphics/screen saver is not necessary to let BOINC work? In that case, just disable the screen saver in Windows -> right click on desktop -> personalize -> screen saver -> set it to None, or to a Windows screen saver.

If you want to try to fix it, we will need information about what brand and model videocard is in the system, which version drivers it runs and whether or not they come from the manufacturer or if they're installed by Windows.

The first two pieces of information can be found through dxdiag (Start->All Programs->Accessories->Run, type dxdiag, click OK), in the Display tab. The last piece of information must come from your memory, as in did you install any drivers manually?

Although, it being a Dell, it'll probably came pre-installed with everything on it. I hate those things.
9287) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38178)
Posted 5 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The problem you seem to have sounds more like hardware, than that it is BOINC that is doing it. With hardware I do mean that either the videocard, but more likely the motherboard has a small defect that only shows itself when the system is warm (like a break in one of the soldered connections). Good luck finding that one.

The hang condition has persisted for years with various versions of Windows. It happened even before BOINC was created.

I doubt you have the same system through all these years, although, if you do it does look like a hardware error. And especially so when your keyboard doesn't function, this looks to be a motherboard problem.

What does Dell say about it?
9288) Message boards : BOINC client : Computer hang (Message 38174)
Posted 5 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sorry, you teach computer science, but you cannot use Windows Task Manager to kill rogue applications, in this case the ClimatePredictionDotNet (CPDN) application? You have to do a reboot? By the way, a cold boot is one where you start when the CPU is cold. Any boots where the computer has been on for a while are reboots aka warm boots.

As for a GPU, of course you have one. Else you see damn little on the monitor.
I'm sorry that Claggy asked the question wrong on that, but he seems to think anyone who teaches computer science knows all the usual computer lingo. ;-)

A GPU is a Graphics Processing Unit, it's the processor on your videocard.
In the case of ATI and Nvidia cards, if you have a newer GPU --one that's at least of the last couple of years-- then these GPUs can be used for so called CUDA or CAL calculations as well, if the project has a suitable application for that. Not all projects do, CPDN for instance doesn't.

All videocards, doesn't matter what brand they are (ATI, Matrox, Nvidia, Intel, Cyrix), no matter if they are external (going into a PCI, PCI-E, PCI-X, AGP, EISA or ISA bus) or internal (embedded into the motherboard or CPU) have GPUs. Not all of these can do the CUDA or CAL calculations though.

Anyway, you say you run Windows 7. If BOINC wants to know what is happening with regards to its screen saver in relation to the project's applications, then it needs to keep tabs on whether you move the mouse or tap the keyboard.
Due to the Windows sandbox layers, where user accounts are separated from a lot of Windows specific programs and procedure calls, it cannot do that in the old fashioned way through the BOINC program itself. It needs a separate program for that, one called boinctray.exe

This little nifty program checks for keyboard taps & mouse movements, and relays that info back to BOINC which will then act according to whatever is set in your preferences and only when BOINC is set to run according to those preferences. But therefore boinctray.exe needs to be running. There are scenarios where this program isn't started, but either a simple reboot, or you manually starting it from the C:\program Files\BOINC\ directory will do this.

Check that this program is running, else make sure it does.
As for specific problems with project applications (in this case the CPDN HADAM3P graphics application), you will need to post about that on the project forums. That's where the project professionals live and answer.

By the way, there is little use in telling the world that it's BOINC version such and so with wxWidgets 2.8.10, as wxWidgets enables a program's GUI code to compile and run on several computer platforms with minimal or no code changes. That's all it does. It's what makes BOINC Manager --the GUI-- look like BOINC Manager. It doesn't do anything essential towards communications or the actual running of project applications.
9289) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38173)
Posted 5 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I noticed both the CPDN forums are no longer on line. Anyone know about that?
9290) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 38163)
Posted 4 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Or they have moved to another solar system.

LOL, that would defy the usefulness of their project, wouldn't it? ;-)
9291) Message boards : The Lounge : Crysis 2's legacies (Message 38155)
Posted 4 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I (we) are still waiting for Duke Nukem Forever.

Only 10 more days. :-)

http://www.dukenukemforever.com

(Edit: pfwoar! there's a demo!)
(Edit2: Since the demo needs a passkey, you may want to look elsewhere... torrent has it)
9292) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot run 6.12.26 on iMac (Message 38144)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hi Jeff,

First off, try to run the uninstaller, then the BOINC installer.

The message where you should click Yes is in the Tools for the mac --> Select which user may run BOINC Manager.

You may want to run that AddRemoveUser tool anyway, to check that your administrator account is included.
9293) Message boards : Questions and problems : Show Graphics grade out (Message 38139)
Posted 2 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Power of pictures:

Nothing selected --> Show graphics is grayed out:

Something selected --> Show graphics is enabled:

9294) Message boards : GPUs : no usable GPUs? (Message 38135)
Posted 2 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Permissions, most likely. You may have installed the driver, but it may not be running in the same plane as BOINC is and as such BOINC cannot find the driver and see your GPU.
9295) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc-6.12.26 in Gentoo, buffer overflow (Message 38127)
Posted 2 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So far I can only confirm that WCG causes the above error, as soon as I attach it.

WorldCommunityGrid uses secure HTTP (https) as its address. Could be your problem. Is port 443 allowed to communicate with the internet in your local firewall?
9296) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc/ubuntu (Message 38126)
Posted 2 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check that there is no other program already using port 31416. Use command netstat -ap as root.

It will be listed in the column Local Address, while any program using that port would be stated in last column - PID/Program name. Some services are listed using port names rather than numbers. Mapping between number and name is taken from file /etc/services, so you may want to check if there's a mapping for port 31416 already.

Now, if that doesn't work out, you can also force BOINC to start with a different port number. It's only necessary if you want to use BOINC Manager or a third party GUI, though. And then mostly only when you want to use these from a remote location to check on this system.

So you could start the BOINC binary using:
boinc --gui_rpc_port <port number>, e.g. boinc --gui_rpc_port 37777, this starts BOINC with port 37777.

If you don't want to use any GUI to check on this BOINC from a remote location, you can also start BOINC without any GUI RPC:
boinc --no_gui_rpc
9297) Message boards : Projects : DrugDiscovery@Home looking for new Admin (Message 38118)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The DrugDiscovery@Home project is looking for a new administrator, who has oodles of time and can look after the server and software, possibly for a small financial compensation.

You're required to have an in-depth knowledge of the BOINC back-end software and know how to make applications for the usual platforms. You also know how to write and keep up-to-date, the perl scripts that are used to manage the server.

If you are interested, please contact Andrey Voronkov at DrugDiscovery@Home (email address reCaptcha secured).
9298) Message boards : Questions and problems : 6.12.28 - no version information available (Message 38116)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Posting it again will not get you help earlier. I'll leave your original thread on the subject open. It's in its correct place. I did forward the info to the developers, but they are on vacation and are only sporadically available. Give them a break, ey? :-)
9299) Message boards : BOINC client : No notes about started/finished down/uploads (Message 38115)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
<file_xfer>, <sched_ops> and <task> are the default log flags, they come enabled with each BOINC installation. You will have to especially disable them in a cc_config.xml file to, well, disable them.

<task>
The start and completion of compute jobs (should get two messages per job).
<file_xfer>
The start and completion of file transfers.
<sched_ops>
Connections with scheduling servers.
9300) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 6.12.26 doesn't switch properly between projects (Message 38105)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am using 6.12.28. it seems to switch projects ok, but it doesn't pick up the oldest WU to finish.

Please use Notepad or another clear text editor to make or edit the cc_config.xml file in your BOINC Data directory. This file needs to be made by the user, it doesn't come with BOINC.

Add into it the following:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<dcf_debug>1</dcf_debug>
<debt_debug>1</debt_debug>
<rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
<sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<coproc_debug>1</coproc_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

Make sure you saved it into your BOINC Data directory. Default places for this directory can be found in this FAQ. Else, check your BOINC start-up messages, it'll show there as well.

Save it as cc_config.xml; check that it has only got the .xml extension, nothing else. Preferably save it in ANSI format.

Next exit BOINC;
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->File->Exit->check "Stop running science applications on Manager exit"->OK.
and restart it;
Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.

This reads in the configuration file and starts logging the extra lines. to see them, switch to Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E on an open BOINC Manager). Let it run for about 5 minutes, then copy the whole log to a text file, preferably zip or otherwise compress it and email it to me. I will give you my email address in PM.

Since these lines add a lot of debug information to the log, you may want to disable them for the time being, or remove the cc_config.xml file, if you don't use that for anything else. To disable the flags, use:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<dcf_debug>0</dcf_debug>
<debt_debug>0</debt_debug>
<rr_simulation>0</rr_simulation>
<sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
<cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
<coproc_debug>0</coproc_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

Save, exit BOINC & restart it to take effect.
9301) Message boards : Questions and problems : How to set suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds (Message 38102)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
<suspend_cpu_usage>25.000000</suspend_cpu_usage>
9302) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boin 6.12.26: Columns not movable (Message 38097)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm still a bit bemused that such an important ergonomic change (column order) can be requested by a single person...

A lot of changes to the client or the back-end or even the forums start with the request of one person. The request just has to be made visible to / seen by the developers. One such example is this one here at Seti. On its own it wouldn't have made a chance. I liked it, so I forwarded it to the developers this morning. Apparently they thought it was a good idea as well, as it's since been implemented. It can be that simple.
9303) Message boards : BOINC client : No notes about started/finished down/uploads (Message 38095)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just to be sure, what are your log_flags?

25/05/2011 19:50:05 |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, benchmark_debug, checkpoint_debug
25/05/2011 19:50:05 |  | log flags: cpu_sched, dcf_debug, file_xfer_debug, sched_op_debug, statefile_debug
9304) Message boards : BOINC client : No notes about started/finished down/uploads (Message 38092)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dust in your eyes? ;-)

Mine are showing, without core configuration flag:
31/05/2011 05:56:06 | malariacontrol.net | Started upload of wu_923_418_486113_0_1306802590_0_0
31/05/2011 05:56:06 | malariacontrol.net | Started upload of wu_923_418_486113_0_1306802590_0_1
31/05/2011 05:56:09 | malariacontrol.net | Finished upload of wu_923_418_486113_0_1306802590_0_0
31/05/2011 05:56:09 | malariacontrol.net | Finished upload of wu_923_418_486113_0_1306802590_0_1
9305) Message boards : BOINC client : No notes about started/finished down/uploads (Message 38090)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not sure what you mean? Are you asking when it was fixed (apparently not!) or when the last time was that changes to it were made? That'd be the 20th of April 2011.

"client: defer reporting completed tasks if an upload started recently; we might be able to report more tasks once the upload completes."

But let's not foul up BB's thread with this. I moved us off to our own thread on this. :)
9306) Message boards : BOINC client : 6.12.26: insufficient nVidia tasks (Message 38088)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure when this was finally fixed (if really already?), could you try 6.12.28 for this?

6.12.28 has the same problem, still. I just found it in my own logs and sent it off to David.
9307) Message boards : Questions and problems : Show Graphics grade out (Message 38084)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That problem seems to arise more often now. See also here.

I only see my graphics option disabled throughout the day, when my projects are suspended due to time of day . I only allow BOINC to run throughout the night, at lower energy rates. When I set BOINC to run always, the graphics button activates immediately on any of the tasks I check. Back to run based on preferences and the button grays out. Normal, I'd think.

9308) Message boards : Questions and problems : Apps still running when Boinc is closed (Message 38081)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
David Anderson wrote:
The client doesn't exit until the 15 seconds is up.

The Collatz problem is something different. I checked in a change that might fix it.

[trac]changeset:23619[/trac]?
9309) Message boards : Questions and problems : Show Graphics grade out (Message 38080)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which project and what sort of task?
Does that project have a screen saver/graphics app?
Is the project actually running -- not suspended (due to whatever, time of day for instance)?
9310) Message boards : Questions and problems : What exactly does this mean??? (Message 38069)
Posted 31 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC contains its own screen saver, which can be run when the project has no screen saver/graphics application. This screen saver will start up, if you chose any of the other options than Never.

However, when you choose Never, you won't see the BOINC screen saver itself and the screen saver will only switch between the project screen avers, or only show the one if there is only one. The BOINC screen saver will then only show when there is no project with its own screen saver.

There is no "Run always" option for any of the project screen savers, since a) not all projects have a screen saver, b) you would then have to choose which project you want to run always and c) as that is counter-intuitive.
9311) Message boards : Questions and problems : Show Graphics grade out (Message 38067)
Posted 30 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You will have to select a running task before the "Show graphics" button is enabled. This will only happen on projects that actually have their own screen saver/graphics program. It will not happen on mosts tasks running on a GPU, as normally no project sends a graphics application along with a CUDA application. The Einstein project is an exception to this rule.
9312) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC running GPU task when machine not idle (Message 38055)
Posted 30 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make sure that boinctray.exe is running. Boinctray.exe is the idle detection program which BOINC uses to start and stop science applications that should only run when the computer is not in use.
9313) Message boards : GPUs : Select a different project for each GPU (Message 38052)
Posted 29 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you think when it will be able to download?

Most parts of it haven't been put to code yet, they're merely ideas in the developers their heads. But even then, it will have to be tested, thoroughly.

But going by past revisions, a year and a couple of months, at least.
9314) Message boards : GPUs : Select a different project for each GPU (Message 38049)
Posted 29 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
knows anyone when changeset 23253 will be an update?

That's an option that will come in BOINC 7.

David Anderson wrote:
I agree that this behavior (closing manager leaves client running) is counter-intuitive.
In the next release (7.0) we'll change it to:

When you close the manager the first time, it will bring up the dialog that asks whether you want to stop computing, or just close the window.
This has an "always do this" checkbox, so you can select the behavior you want.

BTW, the changes in 7.0 will also include:
- new job scheduling and work-fetch policies
- new simple GUI
- generalized GPU support (lets you use GPU types that the client doesn't know about, w/ anonymous platform)
- support for joining projects using OpenID
- change the "choose project" dialog to show much more info about each project.
- "non-compute-intensive" is a property of apps, not projects

None of these is huge, but the total is enough that a new major version # seems merited.

-- David
9315) Message boards : GPUs : Select a different project for each GPU (Message 38048)
Posted 29 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_gpus.html, it's in the list. So unless you say nVidia are wrong about their own product?....

GeForce 8100 mGPU 1.1
GeForce 8800 Ultra 1.0
GeForce 8800 GTX 1.0
GeForce GT 340* 1.0
GeForce GT 330* 1.0

But yeah, the project will have to support your GPU as well, and not all still do. That's something you have to take up with the project, though. That's not something that Berkeley has a say in.

As for running two clients on one machine, I wrote a theoretical setup.
9316) Message boards : Questions and problems : Apps still running when Boinc is closed (Message 38047)
Posted 29 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is "Enable Manager exit dialog?" checked in BOINC Manager->Tools->Display and network options->General?

If not, enable (check) it and you will get the exit dialog whenever you exit BOINC Manager, which will ask you "Stop running science applications when exiting the Manager?".
Then on the Exit dialog, only check that option and not "Remember this decision and do not show this dialog.", as when you do, any next time you exit BOINC Manager it'll do so silently for only the manager and not for the science applications...

Otherwise it is totally normal that BOINC and the science applications continue running when you exit BOINC Manager. As of BOINC 6.10 (or somewhat earlier, even) one can run the client without the GUI, also when not installed as a service!
9317) Message boards : BOINC Manager : new event log (Message 38032)
Posted 28 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two mouse clicks, or just three fingers away: CTRL + SHIFT + E.
(BOINC Manager should be in focus then, or Firefox 4 not opened...)

A friend of mine made a very good observation, though. I copied them from their original place to here. Why not go peek? ;-)
9318) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc 6.12.26 screensaver plug (Message 38017)
Posted 26 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Best update to 6.12.28, as there's a bug in 6.12.27 which throws out only escaped HTML in task outputs, which makes some people very nervous. ;-)

In the mean time, I'll ask around.
9319) Message boards : Documentation : Newbie getting started (Message 38016)
Posted 26 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain --> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/QuickStart --> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreateProjectCookbook

That what you're after, or are you just wanting to run the BOINC client?
In that case, is http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Main_Page the way to go.
9320) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 6.12.26 doesn't switch properly between projects (Message 38012)
Posted 26 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't understand your comment to let Boinc do the switching.

By suspending Einstein to let Seti do work, you are deciding what is best for BOINC, you are micromanaging BOINC, while this isn't necessary.

I advise you to stop micromanaging, to set both projects on Resume and let BOINC do that switching, as it'll know better than you in the end what project has had more time on the processor than the other. All based on debt and resource share, of course.

There has been a change in the 6.10 range how BOINC decides the debt that says which project should get the CPU time next. Before that time this was totally broken, 6.10 has a fix for that. 6.12 has a further fix, but again BOINC will need to learn for itself how these things work.

This is easiest done by resetting the debt of both projects, but if you don't want to do that, then you're going to have to learn to play fingers off, or make things even worse.
9321) Message boards : BOINC Manager : 6.12.26 Mac BOINC as Service Broken (Message 38010)
Posted 26 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you at least test with 6.12.28 if that one works better?
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

I will forward your complaint to the developer, see what he says.
9322) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Not downloading for SETI or LHC (Message 38007)
Posted 26 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Seti status page hasn't updated since last night: As of 25 May 2011 | 23:50:08 UTC

For a comparison, at this moment it's 14:21:25 UTC. :-)
9323) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Not downloading for SETI or LHC (Message 38005)
Posted 26 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
26/05/2011 11:43:21 PM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available

Seti tells you it has no tasks available. You cannot change anything to that. It's something the project admin will have to fix.

LHC, does that have work available at this time? (According to its server status page, it doesn't)
If it doesn't either, then it's normal that Milkyway will download work as it's the only one that has work. Don't fret, BOINC will keep tabs on how much it downloads from MW and will pay back Seti and LHC when these have work again.
9324) Message boards : Questions and problems : Failure to save any settings (Message 38000)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The default language is Finnish, but the program manager remains bilingual even if I try to set it to English.

You will have to fully exit and restart BOINC to have changes made to the GUI take effect.

Exit BOINC:
BOINC Manager->File->Exit->Check "Stop running science applications on Manager exit"->OK.
& restart it:
Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.
9325) Message boards : Questions and problems : Failure to save any settings (Message 37998)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hello, my problem is that the BOINC manager fails to remember any settings I put into it starting from the login on startup and language options and continuing into the preferences tabs.

Is the account running it the account that installed BOINC?
-->If not, is the account you're running BOINC with allowed to control BOINC through BOINC Manager?

Since you are Finnish, what language does your BOINC Manager use by default? English, or Finnish? If you see half English, half Finnish, it sounds more like there's no full Finnish translation in the .po/.mo files. Since these translations are done by volunteers, it's possible one started but never finished it.

The latest fi.po shows at least to be 9 months old.
9326) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc 6.12.26 doesn't switch properly between projects (Message 37997)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Until I upgraded...

From a 6.10 or earlier version? 6.12 has fixes towards the CPU and GPU schedulers, things that were broken in previous (older) versions. So yes, it may work differently than you expect, but it's not really broken, but in reality fixed.

So please, let BOINC do the switching from now on. You will see that this will eventually work out again.

Advanced users only:
If you really can't stand it, fix these projects their debts, resetting them to zero.

You can do that by using Notepad to make a cc_config.xml file in your BOINC Data directory (where client_state.xml lives) and adding into it:
<cc_config>
<options>
<zero_debts>1</zero_debts>
</options>
</cc_config>

Save the file, as an All files, ANSI format. Check that it's called cc_config.xml, without any extra added extension.

If you had a cc_config.xml file already, add in the lines from <options> to </options>, or if those are already in place, only add in the <zero_debts> line somewhere between the <options></options> flags.

Now exit BOINC:
BOINC Manager->File->Exit->Check "Stop running science applications on Manager exit"->OK.
& restart it:
Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.

Next remove the cc_config.xml file, as you do not want to reset debts each time BOINC starts. If you have a cc_config.xml file for other uses, remove the line(s) you added and save the file again.
9327) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37994)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.28 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • MGR: Fix shutting down of Client on Linux.
  • client: escape only non-ASCII chars in stderr out, not control chars.

9328) Message boards : BOINC client : tasks being sent to wrong gpu card (Message 37986)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Having two BOINCs running complicate stopping / suspending them when I want to use an application that uses CUDA such as DVDFab.

That's what the <exclusive_gpu_app> option of cc_config.xml is for. :-)
And if that one is in both cc_config.xml files, both BOINC will stop using their individual GPU as soon as the new program is detected in memory.
9329) Message boards : BOINC client : tasks being sent to wrong gpu card (Message 37980)
Posted 25 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Make a batch file called boinc_double.bat and save it on your desktop.
In it place the following lines:
ECHO OFF
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe 
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe 


Ok, apparently it's to do with the --gui_rpc_port <port> switch.
So make that:

ECHO OFF
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe -m -g 31416 -n localhost
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31418 --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe -m -g 31418 -n localhost


By using two different GUI RPC ports, both BOINC Managers should find a running client on the same machine.
9330) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc 6.12.26 screensaver plug (Message 37978)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also, I was wondering if there will ever be a linux opengl screensaver or something similar? Most of my computers run linux and it'd be great to have a screen saver for them.

As far as I know, there is one built in in the 6.12 range. Already been available since 6.11.3.

As for the fixes, they're in 6.12.27, available for testing from the download all page.
9331) Message boards : BOINC client : tasks being sent to wrong gpu card (Message 37965)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The project should be able to do a check on which GPUs are in your system and send work accordingly. However, BOINC is not able to say which task is done by which GPU. The only way to do that is by putting hardware into the system that is capable of actually doing the tasks.

There is the option to run with multiple clients on one system, though, using the --run_multiple_clients option on the BOINC binary. This requires that you have two BOINC Data directories, two cc_config.xml files.

This should, theoretically, go something like this:

Make one Data directory for the GTX460, called C:\BOINC Data_GPU 460\
In the example cc_config.xml below, I assume that the GTX460 is GPU 1, so device 0.
Make a second Data directory for the 9800GTX, called C:\BOINC Data_GPU 9800\
In the example cc_config.xml below, I assume that the 9800GTX is GPU 2, so device 1.

Copy the account_*.xml files and only the client_state.xml file from your present data directory to these two data directories.

The one client will run with a cc_config.xml containing:
<cc_config>
<options>
<data_dir>C:\BOINC Data_GPU 460</data_dir>
<ignore_cuda_dev>1</ignore_cuda_dev>
</options>
</cc_config>

Save this cc_config.xml file in your C:\BOINC Data_GPU 460 data directory.


The second one will run with a cc_config.xml containing:
<cc_config>
<options>
<data_dir>C:\BOINC Data_GPU 9800</data_dir>
<ignore_cuda_dev>0</ignore_cuda_dev>
</options>
</cc_config>

Save this cc_config.xml file in your C:\BOINC Data_GPU 9800 data directory.

Make a batch file called boinc_double.bat and save it on your desktop.
In it place the following lines:
ECHO OFF
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe -m -g 31416 -n localhost
c:\program files\boinc\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31418 --detach
c:\program files\boinc\boincmgr.exe -m -g 31418 -n localhost

Yes, that's those start-ups double. I'm not sure if the second BOINC Manager will work, though if it's a 6.12 client.
This is assuming that your installed the BOINC program files in C:\Program Files\BOINC\ .. If you use a 64bit Windows with 32bit BOINC, it'll be C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\
It's also assuming you use Windows.

Now start double_boinc.bat and see what it does.

I have never run with such a setup before, so it's totally possible it won't work, although the BOINC devs assure me it will work this way... well, but for a doubly starting BM, perhaps. ;-)
9332) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Oversized main window when launc Boinc (Message 37958)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
On SETI at HOME, there is many threads, but not solutions for this bug.

My methods of doing a search there must suck, but even doing an advanced search going back a year on "boinc manager start starts up big bigger oversized screen size" (without quotes) gives me zero hits.

Still, your OS is what exactly?
I asked that as there have been reports of a BOINC Manager start up missing the edge on some Linux versions, this was due to their Linux distro not having been up-dated with one of the later wxWidget versions.

However, this isn't that. It looks more like your BOINC starts not focused, not maximized and shoved a little to the top. You can't however know whether or not this has been fixed or not as you aren't running the latest version of BOINC Manager. I know that since you have a Messages tab and miss the Notices tab.

So, when you go run an older version of BOINC Manager on top of the latest client, any artifacts you see are hardly the developers their fault. If this is a bug, it'll be fixed in BOINC Manager, not in the client. Bugs gotten rid of in BOINC Manager won't be seen by you if you do not run the latest BOINC Manager, but instead have returned to a prior BOINC Manager version running on top of the newer client.
9333) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Oversized main window when launc Boinc (Message 37955)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not sure what you man. But since we're at a forums, where the amount of characters you're allowed to use supersedes the 140 characters that Twitter allows, why don't you explain what you mean?

What bug are you describing?
BOINC manager starting minimized?
Something within BOINC Manager that you don't like?
Which operating system do you see this on?
What screen resolution?
9334) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37953)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.27 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new build in need of testing. This release should fix the test screensaver crash bug on the Mac as well as the link traversal crash on Linux. This release should resolve the failing to resume task instances when returning from hibernation issue on Windows as well as properly detecting the latest edition of VirtualBox.

Please report bugs here and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: Detect processor counts when the number of processors exceed 64 on Windows.
  • client: change the handling of account manager replies:

    --> Old:
    If the AM sends us a project we're already attached to, and the authenticator is different, print an error message and don't change anything.

    --> Problem:
    If the AM is using weak authenticators, and the user has changed their password, the weak authenticator changes. In this case the AM will send the new weak auth, the client will ignore it, and all subsequent scheduler RPCs will fail until the user removes/adds the project.

    --> Solution:
    If the AM sends us a new auth for a project, use it.

    Note: From the time the password is changed on the project to the next AM RPC, the client will have a bad weak auth and scheduler RPCs will fail. That's OK.
  • client: update to previous commit: only change the authenticator if both old and new authenticators are weak (strong authenticators don't change).
  • client: add <http_transfer_timeout_bps> config option. Defines the transfer rate below which the connection is considered idle, and timeout starts.
  • client: implement "report immediately" at the level of individual jobs rather than globally. To use this, projects must add <report_immediately/> to the <result> elements in job templates.
  • client: don't check memory usage immediately after hibernation.
  • client: show HTTP errors in text form as well as number.
  • client: fix problem with recursion in dir_size(), this time for real.
  • client/manager: don't show resource usage for non-CPU-intensive jobs.
  • client: XML-escape the contents of stderr files; otherwise non-ASCII characters in client_state.xml make it invalid XML.
  • client: fix (I think) to scheduling logic. A job is preemptable if it's finished its time slice and
    --> Old: has checkpointed in last 10 sec.
    --> New: has checkpointed since the end of the time slice.
  • client: Account for new registry location that the new VirtualBox installer stashes the version number. Check the new location first, if not found go back to the original location.
  • client: add log messages showing steps in exiting all tasks, enabled by <task_debug/>
  • client: remove redundant task-start messages.
  • client: on hibernate, don't wait for apps to exit (NCI apps never will).
  • client: if project is set to "don't request more work", report completed tasks immediately.
  • Mac SCR: Fix Mac crash bug when user clicks SS Test button in system preferences

9335) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc 6.12.26 screensaver plug (Message 37948)
Posted 23 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thank you for your help. The developer for BOINC for the Mac has put in some fixes which will be available in the next BOINC 6.12 version.
9336) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 37947)
Posted 23 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This will not be changed again in a future version, albeit that perhaps, very maybe, a messages tab will come back in a future version of BOINC, but don't hold me or the developers to that for saying that.

Notices are explained in my post here.
The columns in Tasks changed as per Loki Clock's request on the BOINC_Dev email list.

I liked how a friend of mine on Seti explained the Messages window to the people there, let me copy his posts over:
OzzF4|\| wrote:
Moral of the story: Remember, we all started using BOINC, which was someone else's idea to begin with. Many people criticized the software for being too "geeky", and that criticism sticks to this day. If the Messages tab wasn't a tab to begin with, would we still be having this argument today? I see nothing wrong with the developers trying to give BOINC a more universal appeal to attract more users for the projects, even if that means our techy messages needs to be buried a little deeper to prevent it from scaring some people.

If we all truly believe in distributed computing, and that every CPU on every platform in every device should be spending their spare cycles crunching for science to further mankind, then this is the right path to follow.


OzzF4|\| wrote:
BilBg wrote:
For me "the right path to follow" is: give options to the users!

The problem is not with the new default look - The problem is that it is the only look.

The only people that are asking for options are the advanced users, which are a minority of users.

Then, many of us advanced users help out over in Q&A and often we'll end up telling the user to "unhide" the Messages Tab and tell us what's in there, which means they'll leave the Messages tab unhidden after they've received help. Then we're back at square one of users seeing the Messages tab and being able to misinterpret informative messages as errors.

People abuse options they're given. People have the option of setting up to 20 days of cache even though this messes with the BOINC scheduler, yet people do it anyway, then they complain that BOINC is broken.

9337) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 37933)
Posted 22 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can not reproduce.

So far, I have tested, log off on main account, switch to BOINC account to test, then:

1) Run with boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute, BOINC is running all the time. --> No problems, no errors.

2) Run without boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute. BOINC is running all the time. --> No problems, no errors.

3) Run with boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute, BOINC is set to start after 2 minutes of idle time. -> After a minute of the BOINC screen saver telling me BOINC is idle, no tasks are running, BOINC kicks in and I see for part of a second a screen that tells me there is a problem with the BOINC screen saver, before the project screen saver (Einstein) kicks in and takes over. With this, no problems, no errors.

4) Run without boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute, BOINC is set to start after 2 minutes of idle time. -> After a minute of the BOINC screen saver telling me BOINC is idle, no tasks are running, BOINC kicks in and I see for part of a second a screen that tells me there is a problem with the BOINC screen saver, before the project screen saver (Einstein) kicks in and takes over. With this, no problems, no errors.

Installation type: Not a service, public installation.
I'm not running any CUDA or CAL or OpenCL on my videocard's GPU.

So, the only things I can think of for getting an error message are:
1) No permission to run BOINC on that account.
2) Your BOINC is set to do work on the GPU. Unless you have multiple GBs of memory on the videocard, don't do that.
3) Your BOINC is set to do work after more minutes than it takes for the screen saver to kick in. (Possible?)
4) The project you run doesn't have a screen saver, plus you have a longer wait time for BOINC to start than the screen saver did.

There's probably more.

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.
ATI HD4850, Catalysts 11.3
9338) Message boards : BOINC Manager : boinc 6.12.26 screensaver plug (Message 37926)
Posted 22 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How do you know for sure that it's BOINC that crashes that tab?
9339) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I delete a notice? (Message 37916)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You don't. BOINC will only retain Notices for 30 days, then they drop off automatically.
9340) Message boards : Questions and problems : multiple user accounts on computer (Message 37914)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
on my Windows 7 system.

Is that a Basic or Home version of Windows 7? If so, then the problem is known to the developers, a solution is coming, just taking a while. It may require them using a different --non-Microsoft-- installer.
9341) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 37908)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is this a clean installation, or an upgrade installation?
-->If upgrade, did it work on the previous BOINC version?
-->if clean, did you install videocard drivers from the manufacturer, instead of letting Windows handle it?

Does the screen saver work under that account?
Is that account allowed to manage BOINC?
Is that account allowed to run BOINC?
9342) Message boards : The Lounge : End of the world (Message 37907)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It looks like the end of the world is neigh, people. Who cares whether his or her BOINC works or not, when today could be your last day on Earth?

Tick Tock says:

May 21, 2011, according to loyal listeners of Family Radio, a Christian broadcasting network based in Oakland, California, will mark the Day of Rapture and the start of Judgment Day (which, they say, will last five months). Those who are saved will be taken up to heaven, and those who aren’t will endure unspeakable suffering. Dead bodies will be strewn about as earthquakes ravage the Earth, they say. And come October 21, they’ll tell you, the entire world will be kaput.


There must be some truth in it, as the Centers for Disease Control have now on their web site a Preparedness 101: Zombie Apocalypse!

There are all kinds of emergencies out there that we can prepare for. Take a zombie apocalypse for example. That’s right, I said z-o-m-b-i-e a-p-o-c-a-l-y-p-s-e. You may laugh now, but when it happens you’ll be happy you read this, and hey, maybe you’ll even learn a thing or two about how to prepare for a real emergency.


So prepare.
Or enjoy your last day.
BOINC troubles? Don't worry about it... :-)
9343) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 37905)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to continuous problems with the Linux version not working on up-to-date Linux versions, the development team has temporarily rolled back the Linux and Linux x64 versions to 6.10.58

So what happened during testing then? Nothing, during testing everything worked. But since that time the distro maintainers found it apparently necessary to update a lot of the libraries and things are since that time broken.

This will be fixed with a soon-to-be-released new 6.12 for the Linux groups. It just requires testing by the Linux Alpha testers. Oh, and compiling of course -- which hasn't started yet. No need to look. ;-)
9344) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 37900)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, that happens. But that's a Windows error, as it went senile, it lost where it put the Microsoft Installer file (.MSI). it's the installer file of the older BOINC version that it requires to do an uninstall of that older BOINC version.

The easiest way is to do a repair installation of the older version, and then immediately install the new version. A repair installation of the old version will repair paths that Windows is missing about where it stored the uninstallation file.

And if that doesn't help, there's a lot more possible steps in this FAQ.
9345) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 37899)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well chasster123, that's not a project outage as everyone else seems to be unaffected. You better ask for help at the Seti help desk forums. It's possible they changed IP addresses again, or that you need to jump another hoop. I don't know, I haven't looked at their forums for a long time. ;-)
9346) Message boards : Questions and problems : Missing deadline (Message 37898)
Posted 20 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC Manager needs to run tasks in a top-to-bottom fashion; start with the task at the top of the list (nearest deadline) and continue in order through to the bottom of the list (furthest deadline) without skipping any tasks. This is the heart of the problem - tasks don't run in order!

So what will then happen, in your expert opinion, when you have two projects, one with a deadline for all its tasks of 3 days and one with a deadline of 2 months?

How much time will be spent on the 2 month deadline project and will its tasks be done in time? -->No, as your 3 day deadline project will forever be taking priority over anything else.

I am constantly forced to abort tasks

Forced how? Is anyone standing there with a gun pointed at your family's head?
Why don't you let BOINC do this on its own? You know about its learning curve, yet you interfere with it constantly, telling it what to do, instead of letting it learn for itself. Why do you need to micromanage BOINC?

And besides, whenever you have deadline problems, it's 99% of the time your own fault, for running a cache that is too big for BOINC to run in a normal fashion anyway.

I run a BOINC attached to 27 projects. 7 projects are allowed to fetch work. My BOINC is set to run only during the night time (cheap rate), between 9pm and 7am. It's got a cache setting of connect to 0.01 and additional of 0.50 days. I never run out of work and I never have deadline problems either, despite the projects that I run having various deadlines between 6 months and 3 days. I do not touch BOINC, I hardly ever look at it. I do not force it to do what I think is best for it.

So why can't you?
9347) Message boards : Questions and problems : What was it I saw while running Einstwin@Home on May 4th between 2:00 PM & 3:30 PM Mountain (Message 37888)
Posted 19 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Those fantabulous Einstein forums can be found here.
9348) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boin 6.12.26: Columns not movable (Message 37884)
Posted 19 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're still there, in their own window, no less. Advanced view->Advanced->Event Log.

As to why we have notices, and to forgo me typing it all again, please see my post here.
9349) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 37877)
Posted 19 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For users who do not like the new BOINC Manager, there is really no use for you to go back to an older version, as all the older versions are more broken than this version is.

You can easily run the new BOINC with an older BOINC Manager.

Just copy your present boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll to someplace safe, before you install the new version. Then after installing the new version, do not start it up, but exit the installer quietly, then copy your preserved boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll back to the BOINC directory. Overwrite the new versions.

Now start BOINC in your normal fashion.

(Thanks Claggy :-))
9350) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boin 6.12.26: Columns not movable (Message 37876)
Posted 19 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It was requested by a user called Loki Clock:

I request that the left-to-right order of the attribute lists be changed so that Name comes after Elapsed and Progress.

One only rarely, in my experience, needs to check the name of an active process, but one should be able to periodically check the elapsed time and progress percentage without effort. The process name field is very long, and often items distinguishable from the most significant few digits, while the elapsed time and percentages are short. The application has not enabled dragging to change the order of the fields, so the order is important. The default size of the manager requires one to scroll horizontally to see the progress bars. There is no reason the window should need to take up more space than it does at said default size. If the process name were moved past them, one would still in most cases be able to identify the process from what one can see of it without scrolling and at the same time be able to conveniently check these constantly updating attributes.


His starting post in BOINC_Dev email and all further posts going from there linked from there.

By the way, you can run the new BOINC with an older BOINC Manager.

Just copy your present boincmgr.exe to someplace safe, before you install the new version. Then after installing the new version, do not start it up, but exit the installer quietly, then copy your preserved boincmgr.exe back to the BOINC directory. Overwrite the new version.

Now start BOINC in your normal fashion.
9351) Message boards : Questions and problems : global preference custom suspend period (Message 37861)
Posted 18 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Snooze time set by user comes in a next BOINC version, probably in BOINC 7.
9352) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 37860)
Posted 18 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The "Messages" tab has gone! There's now a "Notices" tab which only shows a message saying there are no notices.

Your notices will update as soon as your BOINC contacts any of the projects it is attached to and which have a reasonably updated BOINC server software.

Notices will be messages that require a user's attention, or which are (project) news. Things you can do something about, such as a project unable to fetch work --because you chose the wrong application for which there is no work-- will give a Notice.

Things you cannot do anything about, such as Server is down messages, will only show in the Event Log, not in the Notices. The Event Log is where the Messages went to, a separate window with the whole log from BOINC startup. Advanced->Event Log.

The columns in the "Tasks" tab have been reordered.

I liked their order on my 17 inch monitor, as it would mean I could see the tasks their progress easier than earlier, when I would have to scroll. On my 23 inch LED monitor it doesn't really matter. But user-movable columns are coming in BOINC 7, I've heard. So it'll be only temporary.

This release appears to be both pointless and a backward step for Mac users.

There are a lot of invisible changes under the hood as well, e.g. in the CPU and GPU schedulers, which now finally work together and fetch work as they should.

Just because BOINC changed visually, it doesn't mean that's all the developers did for the past 10 months and a bit. :-)
9353) Message boards : News : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 37858)
Posted 18 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Create an account note sent to developers.
As for the Add project or account manager, they're called this same in both places and end up in the same place.




When you do not see this, check that your BOINC Manager did indeed update to 6.12.26, in Help->About BOINC Manager.
9354) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37848)
Posted 18 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thread updated.
9355) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help about client_state.xml (Message 37847)
Posted 17 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, but that isn't in the present 6.12.26 that's just been released.
BOINC XML is pseudo XML developed especially for BOINC. It's XML with extra rules, but it cannot be compared to, for instance, MS XML.
9356) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use. (Message 37846)
Posted 17 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.26 is now the recommended client for public use.

The primary focus in this release is a feature called notices. The BOINC client software can now consume RSS feeds to deliver project information to the volunteer at the same time they are checking on task instance status. Volunteers will no longer be required to visit the various project homepages to find out the latest and greatest of what the various projects are doing. For those volunteers who participate in forums additional notices will be given for friend requests and private messages. We believe this will increase the project/volunteer interaction experience.

Projects are strongly encouraged to enable notices, details can be found
here:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectNotices

Volunteers can change the frequency on how often they are reminded about new notices by adjusting the reminder frequency in the 'Display and network options' dialog in the Advanced GUI.

We would like to thank all the volunteers who helped test this release and all 6.11/6.12 releases throughout the development cycle.


----- Rom
BOINC Development Team
9357) Message boards : Questions and problems : wiggles (Message 37831)
Posted 16 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have reached the BOINC (development) forums.

To post about things that Einstein (may have) thought of, perhaps better post at the Einstein Project forums.

If you're looking for an answer from Seti, please post at the Seti Message Boards.

Either way, you're most probably in the wrong forum here. :)
9358) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help about client_state.xml (Message 37829)
Posted 16 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The XML BOINC uses isn't real XML, but pseudo XML. Don't open it with an XML editor, or write it with one. If you want to open it, use a bog standard ASCII editor.
9359) Message boards : Documentation : FAQ thread discussion links (Message 37826)
Posted 16 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For example, Allow tasks to finish when they reach 99%:

http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=546

If you want to have discussion about the FAQs, either post them here, or on the BOINC FAQ Service forum on the Mundayweb forums.
9360) Message boards : Documentation : Wiki account creation?? (Message 37825)
Posted 16 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Spammers and wreckers have returned, persons unknown are deleting whole parts of the Wiki. Expect their accounts to be blocked, while the Wiki will be closed again. People just need to learn to leave other people's hard work alone, even on the internet.
9361) Message boards : Questions and problems : Permission problems when launching BOINC in MAC OS (Message 37822)
Posted 15 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Tools_for_Mac_OS_X#Selecting_which_users_may_run_BOINC_Manager
9362) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help about client_state.xml (Message 37821)
Posted 15 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Heads up, there seems to be a problem with the installer of your program, please see this post:

I install boinc monitor 4.6, the only message I got is:

A semi colon character was expected

Do you know, what I should do?
9363) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help about client_state.xml (Message 37815)
Posted 15 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Isn't it easier for you to (temporarily) attach to a couple of projects?
9364) Message boards : Questions and problems : Status = "suspended - user active". What does this mean? (Message 37814)
Posted 15 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It means you are active, as in typing on the keyboard or moving of your mouse. You have set somewhere, either in some project preferences, or in the local advanced preferences to only do work when the computer is idle, when it's not in use.

To find where you have set that, please exit BOINC completely (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->File->Exit->check "Stop running science applications when exiting the Manager"->OK, then start it back up (Windows Start button->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager). Now post all the messages from the Messages tab in an answer here.
9365) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help about client_state.xml (Message 37809)
Posted 14 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All projects release their statistics in XML format. But you have to check the projects for that. BOINC itself doesn't release any statistics since it doesn't run any science.
9366) Message boards : Questions and problems : Kidding??? (Message 37808)
Posted 14 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is the managing program, it doesn't run any of the science. That's what the science applications do that you get by attaching to the different projects (for example, my BOINC is attached to 27 projects).

BOINC does show the estimated time to run of the tasks, but as soon as the project changes the run time of the tasks, this estimated time can easily be off.

Normal computer operations, Boinc suspened, runs at 45C, on all 4 cores, but with a 4 core task runnning on Seti it goes up to 65 and with Throttle it is set at 60. Throttle directly effects the time factor of ALL tasks. Which isn't at all what one expects. YOu wanted comments. This is just that.

TThrottle isn't a BOINC thing. It's a third party application made by Fred - efmer. You can complain about things you see go wrong with it here. But as the program name says, it throttles the science applications running under BOINC so your CPU doesn't overheat. So yes, tasks will take longer, since you do not let the CPU run at the full 100% all of the time.
9367) Message boards : Questions and problems : Kidding??? (Message 37805)
Posted 14 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What Gundolf tried to tell you, is that this isn't really a BOINC problem and that you should be posting this on the Seti forums.

But it is easily explained: Your BOINC apparently never had an Astropulse task before, so it doesn't know how long these take. What you see is an estimated time to finish, not a real time. If you let it run, you'll see that the time will go down rather quickly.

Only by running several APs can BOINC learn how long they take on your system. No, the project cannot estimate it more correctly as there are a whole variety of computers out there which run these tasks in different time spans. If you still think that's wrong, then go complain at the project as it is they who send along the estimated time to run with the task.
9368) Message boards : BOINC client : Need help about client_state.xml (Message 37795)
Posted 13 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
They're seconds.
9369) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Column Headers Clickable (Message 37792)
Posted 13 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It sounds like you're attached to one project only.

Useless in the sense that since BOINC 6.10, BOINC Manager records all messages since BOINC startup. When you are attached to multiple projects and have been running BOINC for two weeks without restart, do you really want an alphabetizer to see info that you can just as well get from the statistics tab, the statistics sites or by going to your account in the various projects and see what you did with the tasks?

Remember, BOINC isn't a one project program. I'm attached to no less than 27 active projects, do I really need to see their messages alphabetized? ;-)
It would also take up quite a bit of CPU cycles to do alphabetizing, cycles I may well want the projects to use.
9370) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Column Headers Clickable (Message 37790)
Posted 13 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Messages ordering by project is already possible, with the "Show only this project" which becomes active once you've clicked on any project message in the messages window/tab. This has been available since BOINC 6.6

Ordering on alphabetical order isn't going to happen, it's quite useless.
9371) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to upgrade (Message 37787)
Posted 13 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're welcome, Barry. Glad that helped.
Just curious, what registry key was it and what was in it?
9372) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to upgrade (Message 37782)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, try these steps, but do it with and for BOINC instead of what they're doing.

You can also try a different uninstaller cleaner, such as Revo Uninstaller, from here.
9373) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to upgrade (Message 37777)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, then I need the exact full error message that you get when you try to install BOINC. Not an approximation, not an "I think", but the one you see. Write it down, make a screen shot, something. And tell me about it.

And which version was originally on your system? 6.10.56? Before you tried to upgrade to 6.10.58 or 6.10.60?
9374) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to upgrade (Message 37775)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm not saying to look for any mention of BOINC. I was giving you a specific method to look for the BOINC.msi files, which are the Microsoft Installer files, one of which will be corrupt and is giving you the error message.

And as such, you have to remove ALL BOINC.msi files from your system. Hence the steps I gave you, in Windows Safe Mode, to circumvent the UAC a bit, since we're going to delete things in a sub-directory under the Windows directory, something that the UAC does not like when in 'normal' Windows.

And thus, therefore I point you back to my previous post.

Now please follow the steps. Don't just say up front "I already looked for everything BOINC and deleted it, it didn't work, and I need more help", as it's going to be quite difficult to give help when you're not following it anyway. In that case you go ahead and reformat. Cos that's what you end up doing anyway, isn't it?
9375) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc in linux (Message 37774)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Congratulations, 3 posts to that list and pronto: [trac]changeset:23529[/trac]. :)
9376) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to upgrade (Message 37770)
Posted 11 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Reboot into Windows Safe Mode: upon reboot start tapping F8 like your life depends on it, then from the menu choose a Safe Mode, with or without networking is your own choice. We won't be there long, though.

When in Windows and you're logged on, do a computer wide search for BOINC.msi
Most, if not all, will be found in C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\

Delete them all. Mind, only delete the BOINC.msi files, do not go and delete all of C:\Windows\Downloaded Installations\ as there will be other program installation files in there!

Reboot the computer into Windows normal mode and install BOINC.
9377) Message boards : Questions and problems : Unable to upgrade (Message 37768)
Posted 11 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the message you get is any of these: Windows Installer Error 1706: Setup cannot find the required files / 1714: older version cannot be removed / BOINC.msi cannot be found / The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable., then see this FAQ.

But really, the easiest way to fix these problems is to repair install the version you already have/had on your system. Previous versions can be found in the BOINC Archive (present last version available there is 5.4.0)
9378) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 and CUDA Task Problem (Message 37761)
Posted 11 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Could this explain why some Einstein@Home Tasks labelled 'BRP3cuda32nv270' aborted under the old BOINC 6.10.59, whereas others completed OK?

How did they abort? By running them (calculation error), or with manual intervention (User abort)?

There's a myriad of things that can go wrong when doing calculations this intense on different computers. However, project specific questions are best asked at the project, since it's their science application running under BOINC. They ought to have an inkling of an idea why their app breaks on some tasks and not on others.

2. Would more GPU Memory help? I am planning to replace my Desktop PC in the reasonably near future, and it is likely that the new PC would have a Graphics Adapter with more GPU Memory.

Only as such that more things can get stuck in memory before you run into the same problems. ;)

Also, you may have the chance that you buy the latest newest newfanglest GPU there is and that your Linux doesn't have drivers for it for the next 7 fortnights. ;)

So choose wisely.

In short, the answer is no. It doesn't help as such.
9379) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc in linux (Message 37759)
Posted 11 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
...however either I'm blind and just can't find how to register an account there, or it's reserved for devs only?

You're not blind. They've got Trac off-limits to the general public as spammers find it very funny to register there and start spamming the Wiki and the ticket system. If you want an account, email David Anderson. But then you could just as well tell him directly what you found. ;-)

However, before you start emailing David directly, it's probably better that you register at the BOINC Development email list and post to that. Then it'll show up to anyone who is registered on this list and who may help you out.
9380) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC 6.12.26 and CUDA Task Problem (Message 37756)
Posted 11 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPU memory problems cannot be fixed with a project reset or any other tinkling with BOINC, you will have to restart the computer. Any videocard memory trouble needs a full power cycle. I suspect that there's something stuck in video-memory, which is taking up space. That is why BOINC gives you the "Waiting for GPU memory" message.
9381) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 37749)
Posted 10 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Checked on BOINCStats forums? They may have news.
9382) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager wastes available Resources (Message 37741)
Posted 10 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then please, goto http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php and fetch 6.12.26, install that one and test again.
9383) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Manager wastes available Resources (Message 37739)
Posted 10 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am assuming you see this in some 6.10 version of BOINC?
You haven't yet tried to reproduce this with the latest available development version, 6.12.26?

And I also assume that you know it isn't BOINC Manager that's doing this, that BOINC Manager is in reality the GUI that allows you to give commands to BOINC and see what it is doing?

Anyway, the 6.12 range of BOINC has multiple fixes towards running multi-threaded CPU applications together with single-threaded CPU and GPU applications. The Milkyway (mt) and AQUA applications are multi-threaded, what you mean with multiple CPU. Only when you can reproduce your problem with the latest 6.12, then the developers will want to know about it.
9384) Message boards : GPUs : 2nd GPU of 4870x2 stays in 2d clocks (Message 37725)
Posted 9 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development. In the mean time, no there is no way to force the GPU to do anything with regard to calculations and clocks.
9385) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 37724)
Posted 9 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
6.10.60 does not automatically report tasks even when all tasks have finished and uploaded.

Have you waited 24 hours?

Completed work is reported at the first of:

1) 24 hours before deadline
2) Connect Every X before deadline.
3) 24 hours after task completion.
4) Immediately if the upload completes later than either 1, 2, or 3 upon completion of the task.
5) On a trickle up message (CPDN only, I believe).
6) On a trickle down request.
7) On a server scheduled connection. Used, but I am not certain by which project.
8) On a request for new work.
9) When the user pushes the update button.
10) On a request from an account manager.
9386) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using multiple cores to run individual tasks (Message 37695)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
GPU applications go faster anyway. A GPU has multiple shader processors, from anywhere between 4 and 960 processors. All these processors will attack the one task at the same time, thereby speeding up the time to do the work in enormously.

While the science application will run on the CPU, that's all it does. All calculations are done inside the GPU.
9387) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using multiple cores to run individual tasks (Message 37693)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I was wondering if:

1. BOINC processes tasks based on the number of CPU/GPUs?

This depends on which project you're attached to and whether that project uses multi-threaded applications or not. But by default, BOINC will set 1 task per CPU core and 1 task per GPU.

Then there's the anonymous platform that allows you to fiddle with how many tasks you run on the GPU, although you'll probably need a good ATI or Fermi style Nvidia for that (with lots and lots of memory). But that's all a hands on job, nothing done on the automatic by BOINC or any of the project's science apps.

2. We can change the settings in BOINC so that multiple cores can be used to process individual tasks?

No. To do so the project needs to have a multi-threaded science application and then it will only either use all cores, or none (and thus not work).
Multi-threaded applications do go faster, but then the projects that do use them will use them on their larger tasks, so they still take hours. Milkyway's MT app is an exception, I've seen, it does things in mere minutes.

4. Should I expect my laptop to be faster given that the measured floating point speed and measured integer speed are greater compared to the desktop?

Well, your laptop has a better processor when compared to the desktop, but then it's a laptop, which run hot when just surfing a bit on the net. They're notoriously difficult to cool, and so it doesn't really matter if its benchmarks are better or not, you won't be able to run at full blast all the time due to heat problems (and on battery, it's power problems as well).

Besides that, the benchmarks aren't really being used anymore by any of the main projects. Cosmetics. Easier to keep in than take out. For now.
9388) Message boards : Projects : How can we use our virtual super computer for a calculate? (Message 37692)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain

Why BOINC? -> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BoincIntro
Cost comparison -> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WhyUseBoinc
What is what? -> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BasicConcepts

9389) Message boards : Questions and problems : random bsods (Message 37681)
Posted 3 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please run the Windows memory diagnostic tool. See here for information on that.
9390) Message boards : Questions and problems : random bsods (Message 37676)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Blue Screens will store their information in the Windows Event Viewer.
Start->Administrative Tools->Event Viewer.

Now probably in Custom Views->Administrative Events (takes a while to load), or in Windows Logs->Application or in Windows Logs->System.

Blue Screens show as errors (red).
Did you also install motherboard chipset drivers?
9391) Message boards : Questions and problems : random bsods (Message 37672)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
random bluescreen crashes

Which said in your case, what exactly?

All lates drivers.

Windows drivers or manufacturer?
9392) Message boards : Documentation : Wiki account creation?? (Message 37671)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Account creation on the Wiki is now enabled.
Until the spammers return...
9393) Message boards : Documentation : Wiki account creation?? (Message 37663)
Posted 1 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Since there's spammers all over the place, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this wiki is hammered shut. It may be that you'll have to request that the developers make your account, it's the same for the Alpha accounts.

I'll ask around.
9394) Message boards : Questions and problems : Host CPID (Message 37662)
Posted 1 May 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/CPID
9395) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master/boinc_project accounts not present (Message 37644)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All right, hold there. I'll contact one of the developers, see if he has any further suggestions.
9396) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master/boinc_project accounts not present (Message 37635)
Posted 28 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You know what? Best remove everything before reinstalling BOINC.
Do not use the automated option as that will delete your data directory as well, that's not something we're trying to do.

Use this FAQ to fully uninstall/clean prep, then reinstall BOINC 6.10.58; 6.10.60 only has some screen saver additions. Plus 6.12 is now really quickly approaching (I hope).
9397) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 37632)
Posted 28 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Enigma has returned from the dead:

Server downtime
The server is back up after it's longest outage. Unfortunately I had no money to pay the hosting bills so after a while my account got disabled and the server became unreachable.

I also had hardware problems with the local part of the server, as a result minor part of the database was recovered after critical failure, it's not yet entirely fixed so most probably validator will mark some of the results as invalid. Since it's already late night here, I'll fix that tomorrow, together with the WUs marked as timeouts.
It's also possible that I'll be changing the server location, I'll post more info tomorrow.
9398) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master/boinc_project accounts not present (Message 37630)
Posted 28 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well no, then you return to the command line. :)

The net localgroup command is very powerful. One can add users to or remove them from groups this way.

net localgroup group_name UserLoginName /add

So in this case, it's:
net localgroup boinc_admins boinc_master /add
net localgroup boinc_admins Administrator /add
net localgroup boinc_admins SargeJohnson /add (Or whatever your Windows account is)
net localgroup boinc_users Everyone /add
net localgroup boinc_projects boinc_project /add

I will check with the developer how one can change the URA through the command line.

Now, I must say that when you install BOINC as not a protected application execution option, that the only account that will be installed is the boinc_admins account. The other accounts will only be installed on a service or protected application execution installation and you will have to choose this one yourself, it won't be enabled automatically, unless you had it running before and you're doing a BOINC upgrade installation.

Else do check each time you install BOINC what its installation is going to be, 3rd screen in the installer click Advanced.
9399) Message boards : Questions and problems : Classic screensaver : where is it (Message 37623)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do know that we aren't the Seti forums. For them, you will have to go here.

Screen savers are project specific. So for that question you will have to ask at Seti, or do a search on its forums as it's one of the most asked questions. Same goes for the listening to the tasks. As to why anyone would want to tune in to an hour of static is beyond me... ;-)
9400) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2 task running after installing Boinc ?? (Message 37621)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
However, as soon as you start using your system, BOINC will stop the science applications doing their work.

I must say that there are one or two situations in which this doesn't work:
1. You installed BOINC clean and never rebooted. But this isn't very much possible as it would mean you manage to run BOINC without its limited user accounts, a feat not even Bill Gates would be capable of doing. ;-).

2. You installed BOINC over a previous installation. This then causes the file boinctray.exe to stop running. This file is used in Windows Vista and Windows 7 to detect whether or not you're tapping on the keyboard/wiggling your mouse.

A BOINC upgrade installation will delete all presently running BOINC files from memory and then delete them from the BOINC directory, before placing the new files back. Thus boinctray.exe gets removed from the memory. At present though, the installer doesn't reactivate it after the new installation is complete. So after a BOINC upgrade, the idle detection program isn't running. This will be fixed in a future version of BOINC (probably BOINC 7.x).

You can restart boinctray.exe by double-clicking on it in the BOINC programs directory, or by rebooting the system, since it is started from the registry.
9401) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2 task running after installing Boinc ?? (Message 37620)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC should let user decide preferences.

The default setting for BOINC is to only allow the science applications to use the hardware when it is otherwise idle and then to use all possible hardware found/detected. This can include any GPUs in the system. However, as soon as you start using your system, BOINC will stop the science applications doing their work.

So in essence, if you didn't change any preferences ever before, not through the project preferences and not through the local preferences, you wouldn't have seen it using 2 CPU cores at all.

Since your first post indicates that you saw BOINC using two CPU cores while you were using the computer, you must've changed preferences somewhere before. And then forgot about it. That happens.
9402) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37618)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.26 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This build should fix some runtime estimate problems and some suspend/resume issues when hibernating. Unless a showstopper is found we'll be releasing this build to public as soon as the test pass is complete. Please report the test results as quickly as possible.

Please run through the test cases specified here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_matrix.php

Report test results here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/test_form.php

Report bugs to the Alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: don't use the Snooze mechanism to handle OS-requested suspension (especially with a 1-hour snooze period). Instead, handle them directly.
  • client: fix bug: statement had no effect.
  • client: show error messages from account managers correctly.
  • client: win compile fix.
  • client: fix bugs in runtime estimation of jobs that have run before but are not currently running.
    Old:

    -> We maintain the most recent fraction_done in state file. But for apps that checkpoint seldom or never, this is not the relevant value, and frac done may go down when the app runs.
    -> fraction_done_elapsed_time is not initialized, and can have garbage values for jobs that haven't run yet.

    New:

    -> Record, in the state file, the values of fraction_done and fraction_done_elapsed_time at the most recent checkpoint. When the client starts up, use these values.
  • Fix Build Breaks.
  • Mac: We no longer request PowerPC applications on Intel Macs because all projects supporting Macs should have Intel applications by now, and PowerPC emulation ("Rosetta") is not always supported in newer versions of OS X.

9403) Message boards : Questions and problems : 2 task running after installing Boinc ?? (Message 37617)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC will, by default, allow one science application running a task per CPU core. If you only have one core, you'll only see one task running. However, today's CPUs either have hyper-threading --where the physical core is accompanied by a virtual core-- or it's a dual-core or quadro-core CPU. Or it has even more cores (6 or 8 isn't unusual, these can have hyper-threading as well, making them 12and 16 core).

So, I assume that your CPU is either a dual-core (Intel Core 2 Duo for instance) or it can do hyper-threading (Late models Pentium 4, with the 800MHz FSB motherboard). In this case BOINC will use both threads to run work on, thus you see two tasks running.

Deleting work won't help, suspending it neither, as you have told BOINC to use both cores. This it tries to do.

You can tell BOINC to use only one core by adjusting your preferences.
Open BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Preferences->Processor usage.
Find the option On multiprocessors, use at most 100% of the processor and change its value to 50%. Then click OK.

You'll see immediately that BOINC changes to use only one core of your CPU. :)
9404) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master/boinc_project accounts not present (Message 37614)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I checked that command in my Windows 7 Ultimate, so that may be why the command didn't work. I do know that on some Windows XP/Vista/7 Home systems the installer seems to be unable to set the user rights assignments correctly. The developers are looking into this, but seem to be stuck as it doesn't happen all the time.

I can only assume that this thing also happened on your Vista Basic.
How to fix that? Add the members to the correct group.

Start->Administrative Tools->Computer Management->Local users and Groups->Groups.

Double click on any of the groups to open their contents.
boinc_admins should have your account (the installing user account), Administrators group and boinc_master.
boinc_users should have for Public installs: Everyone; for Private installs: nothing at all.
boinc_projects should have boinc_project.

To add an account, click Add..., click Advanced, click Find Now, find the account in the list and single click it to select it, then click OK, OK and OK.
9405) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduling Individual Projects (Message 37609)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
This option is not (yet) available in BOINC. Perhaps in some future version, we don't know yet.
9406) Message boards : Questions and problems : multiple user accounts on computer (Message 37608)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The option is only available in the installer, so you will have to uninstall BOINC and then reinstall it. The commands to give account permission are only done from within the installer.
9407) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37602)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, that's one of the things on the todo list, but am not in a hurry.
Also have some intermittent problem where I cannot log in on the faqs, we're looking into that. But really, I am mostly with my head at games these days, Company of Heroes, Operation Flashpoint: Red River, Far Cry 2 and Crysis 2. For my relaxation. Sorry. :)
9408) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc in linux (Message 37599)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which version of BOINC?
Where did you get it from?
9409) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc_master/boinc_project accounts not present (Message 37597)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The BOINC Limited User accounts aren't showing in the User Accounts & Family Safety menu in Windows. So if you were looking there, then that's normal.

Instead, open a command line window (Run->type cmd, click OK).
Next, type in the command line window the following command: net localgroup and hit Enter.
These will show whether or not the BOINC user accounts boinc_admins, boinc_projects (with extra 's') and boinc_users are installed.

boinc_master and boinc_project (without extra 's') are User Rights Assignments, not User Accounts.
They will allow:
-- boinc_master: Deny logon locally, Deny access to this computer from the network, Log on as a service and Bypass traverse checking;
-- boinc_project: Deny logon locally, Deny access to this computer from the network ;

To see which ones you have, do the following.
In the command line window, type c: and hit Enter.
In the command line window, type md sarge and hit Enter.
In the command line window, type gpresult /H C:\sarge\GP.html and hit Enter.

Next use Windows Explorer to go to C:\sarge and open GP.html with your favorite browser of choice. This command will show the Group Policy Results in a condensed form. Check if the boinc_master and boinc_project URAs are showing here.
9410) Message boards : Questions and problems : Consider Aborting (Message 37593)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're posting on the BOINC forums. You need to ask these questions at the project forums, in this case, the Climate Prediction forums (Number Crunching would be the one to go to).

Normally work done past the deadline has resulted in it being sent to another computer, then it's a race between your computer and the 3rd one to get the task back to the project, to be able to get credit.

However, CPDN has always been an exception. Their models can be returned after the deadline, while your credit will have been granted to you through the intermittent trickle-ups (short burst uploads). On most of their models the deadline is of no real consequence, however you will have to ask this about your actual model at their forums.
9411) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37587)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.25 available for testing for Windows.
BOINC 6.12.23 available for testing for Linux and Macintosh.


Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

The big fix for this release is with the notice feature. There was a bug that caused news feeds to be deleted every other scheduler request to the project server. Fixing this bug should reduce quite a few of the bogus new notice balloons when nothing new is displayed.

Please report bugs here and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Rom Walton wrote:
Okay, this build (6.12.25) should now be working on all supported versions of Windows.

Please report bugs here and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: if PREFS::max_ncpus_pct is 0, don't set it to 100; doing so prevents PREFS::max_ncpus from having any effect.
  • client: defer reporting completed tasks if an upload started recently; we might be able to report more tasks once the upload completes.
  • MGR: Remove unneeded asserts.
  • MGR: Add missing keyboard accelerators for the event log.
  • MGR: Re-enable the next button when the terms of use wizard page when the back button is pressed.
  • client: add <heartbeat_debug> log flag
  • client: show trickle-up and int file upload msgs if <app_msg_receive> set
  • client: if scheduler RPC reason is trickle-up, say so (from Ian Hay)
  • MGR: restore "non CPU intensive" to task description
  • MGR: project properties: show if RPC in progress or trickle-up pending. (show these low-probability things only if present) (from Ian Hay)
  • MGR: Check to see if keyboard accelerators can be redefined on the fly.
  • MGR: Add missing event handler map item.
  • client: fix bug that cause notice RSS feeds to disappear and reappear, and notices to erroneously be shown as new.
  • client: when estimating job runtime based on fraction done, use the elapsed time when fraction done was last reported, not current elapsed time. Fix problem where est time remaining increases linearly, then abruptly decreases when new frac done is reported. From Bruce Allen.
  • client: fix a couple of the messages that are appended to a job's stderr when the job is aborted
  • client: replace % with %% in messages from scheduler (else they're interpreted as format strings)
  • MGR: Adjust the width of the various tabs in advanced view if the notice text width changes.
  • MGR: Remove dead code.
  • client/MGR: Rebuilt all libraries and update the Windows installer package to account for latest Windows patches.S

9412) Message boards : News : Asia@home Hackfest videos available (Message 37573)
Posted 24 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Downloading the videos should not take 8 hours as there is a gigabit server behind that. It should be pretty quick actually, based on your maximum download speed.


"How does BOINC work": Looks like the download speed is capped, as it started at 165KB/s here and is going down (now at 60 KB/s.

"Quake-Catcher Network: the client and the server" : This one comes in at between 1.6KB/s and 110KB/s. This is going to take 2 days.

"Quake-Catcher Network: the sensors, the science and the outreach": This one comes in at between 7.2KB/s and 14.5KB/sec. This is going to take a day.

My download speed isn't capped, it's set to Unlimited, meaning you can use the full 50Mbit (I have reached 6.2MB/s == 49.6Mbit!). This isn't reaching that.

I am not going to try all downloads as it's pretty clear that your statement about these speeds being based on my download speed is wrong. Even when the first video is now coming in at 850KB/s, it is nowhere near my maximum download speed of 6MB/sec. Not even on your Gigabit server.

The download speeds are through torrent based on how many other people have the file, how much of the file they have and how quickly they have set their uploads. It isn't based on the upload speed of your server.
9413) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37570)
Posted 24 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.24 available for testing for Windows.

But don't install it, it'll give runtime errors on BOINC Manager on just about any system with Windows Vista or better. Wait for 6.12.25
9414) Message boards : GPUs : GPU mis-identified in dual gpu system. (Message 37565)
Posted 23 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As far as I know, project web sites will only show your different GPUs when they're from different vendors, as in one Nvidia and one ATI. When there is more than one GPU of the same vendor in the system, only the best card will be shown with the number of GPUs in the system. This doesn't take into account which GPUs are in the system.
9415) Message boards : Questions and problems : Acquiring XML of my User Stats (Message 37560)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not without page scraping, no. And page scraping is highly frowned upon by most projects as it puts a large load on the database. Although you can probably get away with only you doing this, as soon as they allow you to do it, the next person will think "hey, I can do that as well"... etc.

Best asked at the project.

Now, Enigma seems to be dead in the water, I hope they return, but wouldn't hold my hopes up. They ran out of money.
9416) Message boards : Questions and problems : Additional days buffer preference missing (Message 37557)
Posted 21 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No problem, you're welcome.

For future reminders, here's their pictures:

9417) Message boards : Questions and problems : Broken uploads (Message 37554)
Posted 21 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I've had a conversation with the developers and we think this can be solved if Rechenkraft.net updates their BOINC server software. I will contact the administrator of that domain and ask on your behalf, no need for you to pursue this.

But I cannot assure that they will update, let's just hope that they will.
9418) Message boards : Questions and problems : Additional days buffer preference missing (Message 37553)
Posted 21 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why don't you set it through the menu?
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Preferences->Network usage->Additional work buffer.

As soon as you make any changes to the file, then read the preferences in an already running BOINC, then click OK, it will save the values still in memory and overwrite what you just changed.

If you only want to do it manually, make sure you go BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read local prefs file first.
9419) Message boards : Questions and problems : Broken uploads (Message 37550)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You only see this with RNAWorld, or also with other projects?
I did find the server revision number, so don't need that info anymore.
9420) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37549)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.23 has been retracted from testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Rom Walton wrote:
URGENT

Abort trying to install this build for right now...

I'll have a new build out tomorrow.

MS released new versions of their C Runtime Library which are different then what libcurl, zlib, and OpenSSL are linked against. I have to rebuild all those libraries and update the installer package to account for these latest Windows patches.

----- Rom
9421) Message boards : BOINC Manager : error 417 at work (Message 37546)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I wouldn't be so sure. Universities do block access to the internet, by either a firewall server or a proxy server, or both even.

You will have to take it up with the University's IT department first. When they do allow you to use BOINC, they will also tell you how to set up the proxy settings within BOINC. These are normally settings that they know all about, whereas we can only guess.

In the mean time, I do want to remind you of BOINC's usage rules:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Usage_rules

Run BOINC only on authorized computers

Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.
9422) Message boards : BOINC Manager : error 417 at work (Message 37544)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do you have permission from your immediate boss to run BOINC on your work computer? If you haven't, we're not going to help you get fired.
9423) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 37539)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like the Rosetta project and the MalariaControl.net project have joined the group of AWOL projects.
9424) Message boards : GPUs : Adding A 2nd GPU for BOINC (Message 37538)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
My question is: what do I have to do to add a second GPU? If i just drop in a second card will BOINC detect it just fine and start using it?

BOINC will by default only use the best card and not use any others. You have to tell it to use the other or others. See "OK, so now I disabled SLI and BOINC only recognizes one video card. What is up with that then?" in my FAQ, which will explain how to do that. (That part of the FAQ is old...)

Can I run one AMD card and one nVidia card?

Yes.
Can I run work for different projects on each card concurrently?

Yes. Although not continuously, work done on the GPU will switch as it's done on the CPU. Unless, of course, you have one project specifically using the AMD only and another project using the Nvidia only.

Any other problems to look out for?

When in doubt, or trouble, ask. Either here or at the project forums.

As a side note, while I'm not looking to do a Crossfire or SLI setup right now I may later, and perhaps someone else reading this will be. How does BOINC react to that?

Earlier BOINC versions didn't see individual cards when SLI was used, they saw one GPU only. Later versions (6.6 and upwards) fixed that. So even with SLI on all GPUs are detected individually.

What about the single PCB, dual GPU cards, like Radeon 6990 or coming GTX 590?

Same thing as with SLI. Single card, multi GPU will be seen as multiple GPUs.
9425) Message boards : Questions and problems : Broken uploads (Message 37532)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
ERR_HTTP_ERROR -184

This is an error in the polling of the start of the HTTP/S transaction start in CurlEasy.


Can you ask RNA what server revision they use?
Can you also test with BOINC 6.12.22 (development version, available from here), to see if you can reproduce this problem? Only then can I forward it to the developers, since they're done with 6.10 and in the last days of the 6.12 release. With thanks.
9426) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 37531)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
May we please ask that if you post, to do so without adding your signature? With thanks.

To do so, when you make a post in this thread, uncheck the "Add my signature to this reply" and then make your post. Your signature will still be enabled on other posts, just not this one. You can also edit your post during an hour and take the signature out.

We ask that you post without a signature to keep the purpose of this thread clear: News about project outages, not about how many credits you have or what team you want us to join. It's not that difficult to do. So please...
9427) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 37527)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need to quarrel, you pointed him to this thread. But I assume it was to read the thread, not so much to go post in it.
9428) Message boards : GPUs : limit GPU usage (Message 37508)
Posted 16 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use TThrottle, a third party application, which can do exactly that and more: http://efmer.eu/boinc/index.html. See this thread for its change-log.
9429) Message boards : Questions and problems : GUI RPC requests from Hewlet Packard? (Message 37507)
Posted 16 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
With that said, the developers don't know either.
Yet there's one but: Normally you won't see GUI RPC requests showing in your messages, so do you have <gui_rpc_debug> (or <guirpc_debug> in pre-6.11 versions) on in cc_config.xml?

You could disable that (set to zero, or remove the line), save changes and let BOINC read the config file again. At least then you don't see these requests. They don't seem to be harmful either.
9430) Message boards : Questions and problems : Delayed start of tasks (Message 37498)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a way to delay the start of the task queue during startup?

Yes. Use <start_delay> in a cc_config.xml file.

<cc_config>
<options>
<start_delay>30</start_delay>
</options>
</cc_config>

The above will stop BOINC from doing anything after start up for 30 seconds.
Save the file as cc_config.xml in your BOINC Data directory. Default places for this directory are in this FAQ, or you can see this post of mine which shows where abouts it shows in your BOINC startup messages.

After saving, as an all files, in ANSI format, make sure BOINC knows about it.
BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read config file.
9431) Message boards : Questions and problems : How can we use our virtual super computer for a calculate? (Message 37495)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please stop posting your question in multiple subforums. I'll keep the original post open.
9432) Message boards : Questions and problems : GUI RPC requests from Hewlet Packard? (Message 37492)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded your post to the developers, hope they have more insight.
In the mean time, I do think it might be coming from your printer. Although I just set up a HP 3050 All-in-One for myself on our home network and I haven't seen anything like that from it, I do have to ask, how did you set up your printer?

What model printer is it?
Is it connected to your computer?
--If so how, by printer cable, USB cable or Ethernet cable?
Or is it on your network?
--If so how, by printer cable, USB cable or Ethernet cable to your Router or to something else?
9433) Message boards : Questions and problems : Use only one GPU when user is active (Message 37488)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
(My apologies if this is a repeat request. I did try to search the forums, but keywords like "CPU" and "core" have jillions of hits.)

Yeah, but Wishlist doesn't. ;-)

Anyway, that actual request and the one for GPUs is in the contemplation list. No actual time table for when it's going to be included. Not in 6.12 which will have the new Notices tab, and presumably not in 6.14 which will concentrate on a whole new Simple View for BOINC Manager. (Possibly also a new Advanced View)
9434) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not using new GPU (Message 37484)
Posted 13 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Idea for the next time, and also for others still scratching their heads how to get that information. The path to the Data directory is shown in your BOINC start-up messages.

Like so:
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Starting BOINC client version 6.12.22 for windows_x86_64
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: report completed tasks immediately
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: ignoring ATI GPU 3
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while SpybotSD.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while Crysis2.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while oblivion.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while falloutnv.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while LaunchGTAIV.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while GTAIV.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while Launcher.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while speed.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while NFS11.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while halo.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't compute while FarCry2.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: don't use GPUs while steam.exe is running
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: GUI RPC allowed from:
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Config: 192.168.1.4
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task, benchmark_debug, checkpoint_debug
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | log flags: cpu_sched, dcf_debug, file_xfer_debug, sched_op_debug, statefile_debug
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.5
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Data directory: D:\ProgramData\BOINC
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Running under account Ageless
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz [Family 6 Model 37 Stepping 2]
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Processor: 256.00 KB cache
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 syscall lm vmx tm2 popcnt pbe
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Disk: 205.08 GB total, 66.72 GB free
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | Local time is UTC +2 hours
12/04/2011 18:30:00 | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 4700/4800 (RV740/RV770) (CAL version 1.4.1332, 1024MB, 1000 GFLOPS peak)

That's quite possibly the easiest way to get that information. No need to uninstall and reinstall. Another way is to check in the registry, in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup\, look for the DATADIR entry. make sure you don't change anything here, just take a look. Write it down, or copy the key name.
9435) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not using new GPU (Message 37480)
Posted 13 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I even had the client 'read config file,' but nothing came up in the messages about the GPU.

No, GPU detections are only done at BOINC start-up. So you will have to exit BOINC and restart it. BOINC Manager->File->Exit->Check "Stop running science applications on exiting Manager?"->OK, followed by Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.

And yeah, the file needs to be in your BOINC Data directory.
Default places are shown in this FAQ, and otherwise it shows in your startup messages where you put yours.
9436) Message boards : Questions and problems : Mac user GPU (Message 37475)
Posted 13 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that any work related questions are best asked at the project, in this case at the Collatz Conjecture? BOINC doesn't supply any science applications, that's the job of the projects. On the GPU side, all BOINC does is detect whether a capable GPU is in the system.
9437) Message boards : Questions and problems : Not using new GPU (Message 37473)
Posted 13 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What does not used mean?

Just as it says, it's not used. By default, BOINC will only use the best card, not anything else you stick in there. If you want to use all cards, tell BOINC to do so, by using a cc_config.xml file with the following lines in it:

<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
<cc_config>


If you haven't got one yet due to something else you needed it for, use Notepad to make said file and save as All Files, with only .xml extension in your BOINC Data directory, save as ANSI format.
9438) Message boards : Questions and problems : Binding each GPU to it's certain project (Message 37469)
Posted 12 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Well, it's not an elegant solution. Let it be another one item in BOINC's future versions "wishlist".

It's been on that list about forever and has recently been demoted to 'not going to do it'.

Btw, do you really think that OS will let me run two copies of boinc at the same time? I have a doubts here...

It's not a question of whether the OS can do it, but if the program can do it. By default BOINC checks if another version of itself is in memory and if tehre is, it won't start a second program. However, this can be circumvented using the command line command boinc --allow_multiple_clients, which will allow the starting and running of more than one BOINC on the same computer. They will need to run from separate directories, and probably be set to use different data directories as well.
9439) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager is not able to connect to BOINC client (Message 37467)
Posted 12 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So then I reverted to a previous working version of Boinc, and the problem went away. Sorry, I don't remember exactly which one, but I strongly suspect that it was 6.10.58. However, this was a 32-bit version of Boinc, inherited from an older machine that I "migrated" to this machine from (using the Windows migration utility).

Getting brave, I decided to try the 32-bit version of 6.10.60, and that version runs without any problems as well.

So for me, it appears that any recent 32-bit version of Boinc works fine, but the 64-bit version of 6.10.60 (and possibly others, my test case cannot say) has an unrecoverable timeout in it somewhere that basically locks it up.

This can easily be explained.

Windows 64bit divides 64bit programs from 32bit programs in their own distinct Program Files directories. The 64bit programs go into C:\Program Files\, the 32bit go into C:\Program Files (x86)\

By default 32bit programs installed in the 64bit directory will run without trouble as 32bit can easily be emulated under 64bit. But 64bit programs can't be run from the 32bit directory, since 32bit cannot run 64bit programs.

And so we come to that point where you have installed BOINC. Most people, once they have installed BOINC at least once, click through the installer without giving it a second glance. For most people that's fine as well.

The problem starts when you're using 64bit BOINC. BOINC remembers where it put itself, through keys in the registry. This makes it easy to install BOINC on a next occasion, as you don't have to think and remember where BOINC or its data directory was parked. The installer will do that for you.

However the installer doesn't know if it has a 32bit or 64bit version of BOINC included in its MSI database. It doesn't need to know this, as there's the human factor watching what's happening. You are watching, right?

And so it comes to the 3rd screen in the installer, the places where we're going to install BOINC to are shown. Your first version was a 32bit version, you're now installing a 64bit version.

The default places to install BOINC and its data directory to are shown as C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC\ and C:\ProgramData\BOINC\ ...

And that's where you're going wrong. This BOINC should be installed to C:\Program Files\BOINC\ as else its 64bit parts will not be allowed to work correctly. As you're starting them from the 32bit program directory.

So you should've clicked the Advanced button and in the next screen changed the path to the BOINC programs directory from C:\Program Files (x86)\BOINC to C:\Program Files\BOINC\

And I bet you that then everything will work out of the box. :-)
Your problem is starting a 64bit program from a Windows defined and protected 32bit program directory. Of course that doesn't work. :)
9440) Message boards : GPUs : Dual gpu problem: 99% utilization hangs two gtx-280s (Message 37451)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
lol... excuse me. I was half and half busy with my electricity bill.
Sorry. Just plain Watt of course, everywhere. 1,050 Watt and 700 Watt.

(But just wait. What with the KW PSUs around, it'll be only time before you need MW PSUs. ;-))
9441) Message boards : Questions and problems : I can't find the team on search that i create. (Message 37450)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The first picture shows that you have an account at the AQUA project. it shows you have made that account there yesterday.

Having an account at one project doesn't automatically mean you have an account at any other project, if you're making accounts by hand, you will have to make one at each project. They're all separate projects, independent from each other.

Your other picture shows that you have an account at BOINC Wide Teams. It shows you made that account today. This is where you will have to make your team entry, so it can propagate to all the BOINC projects that use this feature. Not all projects do.

Once you made your account at BWT and set up your team here, whenever a project imports your team, it'll also make your user-account, since you're the founder of that team and no team can be without a founder; thus your account will be available at such projects.

My advice is that you change your community preferences on BWT for "How should we notify you of new private messages, friend requests, posts in subscribed threads, and other events?" to "Immediately, by email". That way when any project updates so it includes your team (and account), you will get an email about that.
9442) Message boards : GPUs : Dual gpu problem: 99% utilization hangs two gtx-280s (Message 37447)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a way to decrease utilization of gpu or to restrict the same project from using both gpu's at the same time?

No, there isn't; answer to both the questions. At least, not without going into manual app_info.xml country, and even then... I don't think so.

Sounds more like a power issue though. What kind of PSU do you have in that system? Primegrid will utilize the whole GPU, so will draw more power than Collatz. And the GTX280s are power hungry beasts, in the same category as the GTX295s. You need a beefy PSU just to run one, let alone two, let alone at average speed. So could it be that your humble PSU isn't good enough to run 2 GTX280s at full bore?

(Btw, for the 2x GTX295 example, one needs at least a 1,050 KW PSU; 700 MW for one 295, half that more for the second.)
9443) Message boards : Questions and problems : I can't find the team on search that i create. (Message 37446)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Where did you create this team? On any of the projects by itself, or on BOINC Wide Teams? If the latter, you'll have to wait for the projects to synchronize with the latest BWT before your team will show up; that can take anywhere from 24 hours to 4 weeks, depending on the project.

If on the project, which project?
Did you allow for people to join your team? You can administer your team from Your Account, main page, right column, administer team; one of the options is to disable the option for others to join your team.

Make sure that you log in with the same account that you use BOINC with, as else you may not see the project administer functions on your account.
9444) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 37437)
Posted 8 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Primegrid is down, both the site and its database.
9445) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unable to run Boinc Manager 6.12.22 in Fedora 14/15 (Message 37432)
Posted 8 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, the developer peeked in already and said that it looks like your distro maintainers for wxWidgets built with different options between Ubuntu and Fedora which broke the possibility for BOINC to work. You'll have to take this up with the package maintainers.

The only way Berkeley can fix this is if they go build separate versions, for Fedora and all other Linux distros. That'll never happen.
9446) Message boards : Questions and problems : Proxy can't download exe files (Message 37430)
Posted 8 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your proxy doesn't allow it? Well, if this is a work-related proxy, ask permission to use BOINC. If this is a proxy for own use (why?), you'll have to find another solution as no project will change its executables to something that can circumvent any proxy that easily.

It's the projects that supply the executables that BOINC downloads, so you'd have to ask the projects, not BOINC. Yet all projects and BOINC have that first rule of requiring permission to run BOINC on the computer, where work and school will forbid it.
9447) Message boards : Questions and problems : BoincTasks alternative BOINC manager (Message 37427)
Posted 8 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your thread's becoming 'da bomb' for spammers lately. Warning to all would-be spammers posting after this: your post will be deleted and your account will be banished immediately. No need to post your shit here, it'll be gone before you know it.
9448) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BoincManager Accessibility (Message 37418)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I got an answer from one of the developers, that they're busy with an overhaul of the Simple View for a next version of BOINC (after 6.12 !!). This to simplify the translations and to allow the use of screen readers and other accessibility aids for people with disabilities. The current Simple GUI was designed in a way that was incompatible with these goals, where the buttons for instance are pictures, not text.

So changes are coming, they're just not showing up in the next version 6.12, but in the one following that, 6.14. I hope you and your friend can wait that long. :)
9449) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 37411)
Posted 6 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good then that I run them on my CPU these days only. Still got one of their multi-threaded tasks to work through. ;-)
9450) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BoincManager Accessibility (Message 37407)
Posted 6 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forwarded your post to the developers.
9451) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37403)
Posted 6 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.22 available for testing for Windows, Linux and Macintosh.

Howdy Folks,

This release should address another potential screensaver issue. This release does not address the RNA World screensaver issues, basically all previous BOINC releases suffer the same problem and we need to address the issue in a more comprehensive way than a quick fix. The fix(s) will probably be addressed in a future 6.12 release.

Despite what the change log states, the links in the Simple GUI messages dialog still don't work. I'll address that in a future release.

Right now the ship criteria bar is such that it'll take a major piece of functionality being broken or a crash to stop a public release. Please do continue to report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha so we can continue to improve the 6.12 release.

Report bugs to the alpha list.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • MGR: Handle the link click events from the notices control for the Simgle GUI notices dialog box.
  • MGR: Fix compile break.
  • MGR: Remove UserDisagreesPage from the wizard, replace functionality by enabling/disabling the next button as needed.
  • MGR: Fix a couple of warnings.
  • client: use larger buffer for app command line, enough to accommodate 64KB from wu.cmdline.
  • Fix build breaks
  • Update Translations.
  • Mac: Eliminate unused source files UserDisagreesPage.cpp, .h from Mac project.

9452) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37394)
Posted 5 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.21 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them.

While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you.

Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you

that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved

of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: discard messages whose create time OR arrival time is more than 30 days ago.

9453) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37393)
Posted 5 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.20 available for testing for Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you.

Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • WINSCR: So after looking over all the logs from WCG and now from Jacob Klein a pattern started to emerge. At the end of the log files the last message logged was 0x12 which translates into WM_QUIT. The latest documentation on WM_QUIT states it should never show up in the message loop to begin with.

    The docs now say that WM_QUIT should not be sent to the message loop by way of PostMessage. We have been doing things this way for over 5 years. Change the shutdown logic so that only the primary curtain window can call PostQuitMessage() and all other curtain windows just exit when they receive a WM_DESTROY message.

    I'm not sure what causes this to be a problem on some machines and not others. But preliminary results from Jacob are encouraging.

9454) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Unable to connect to the core client (Message 37390)
Posted 4 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If not a firewall, then it's usually permission problems.
Now, you say you have no firewall, but I wouldn't be so sure. Even Linux versions come with some form of firewall.

And otherwise, as said, it's permission problems. Where did you install BOINC from? Package manager or Berkeley web site? Did you just follow the installer, or did you manually install BOINC?
9455) Message boards : Projects : Progress Thru Processors (Message 37382)
Posted 3 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
were is linux??

See http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=106468981513&topic=12000
9456) Message boards : Questions and problems : Failed to recognize Galaxy GF 570 GTX (Message 37372)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Could you please post the first 20 to 30 lines of the BOINC startup messages?
9457) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager is not able to connect to BOINC client (Message 37362)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, then the only thing that it can be is that router. So the setting you want to put in there (for BOINC) should be what makes it work. And if that doesn't work, it's time to pick up the manual for that router (PDF file) and check how to do things then.
9458) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager is not able to connect to BOINC client (Message 37360)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're posting from that same computer? Then I doubt it is a setting in your router, as any browser will by default use TCP port 80; so since you can post here, it's open.

Now, I have no knowledge at all about how to do anything on a Mac, I'm sorry to say. I am a Windows + self-built PC person.

So all I can ask is which version of BOINC are you using? Was there a version of BOINC on this system before? What has changed on that system, other than the router?
9459) Message boards : Questions and problems : A project involving BOINC and multi-agent systems (Message 37357)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now then, it's not clear to me, but what do you mean with a multi-agent system?
- To run BOINC on different computers, have them all attack one task?
- To run multiple instances of BOINC on one system?
- To run multiple instances of your application on one system?
- To use multi-threading?
9460) Message boards : Questions and problems : Pause/Resume Question (Message 37353)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not in Windows Task Manager.
They'll still be available in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tasks tab, after clicking "Show all tasks".
9461) Message boards : Questions and problems : Pause/Resume Question (Message 37351)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
...the work units could be seen in the tasks manager but if click on suspend/snooze the work units are hidden.

When one suspends individual tasks, or suspends BOINC, and one doesn't use "Leave applications in memory", the running applications (working on the tasks) are unloaded from memory. The tasks aren't hidden, they're just not in memory anymore.

So, if you want to leave them visible in Windows Task Manager, you have to use the "Leave applications in memory (while suspended)" preference. This uses up RAM and virtual memory, though. Depends on how much by what the applications are using.
9462) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager is not able to connect to BOINC client (Message 37349)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
(Its on a Mac, so boinc.exe is BOINCManager, I assume)

No, even on a Mac, you have two binaries. One for BOINC (the client) --probably just called BOINC-- and one for BOINC Manager (the GUI) --probably called BOINCMGR. You will need to allow the BOINC binary through the firewall.

With firewall, we usually mean a software firewall on the computer, not necessarily any hardware firewalls, as they usually allow ports 80 and 443 (in stealth, or through uPnP) anyway.

Now, contrary to what you say your problem is, it's not the same as the one most people in this thread have. They have the problem that the GUI cannot talk to the client. You have the problem that your client cannot talk to anything on the internet. Although both can be caused by strict firewall settings, they're not the same thing.

9463) Message boards : Questions and problems : A project involving BOINC and multi-agent systems (Message 37335)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now... let's not have people answer with their email address, as the spam people and spam bots read here as well. So, just let them answer and either you, Nick, contact them by private message, or people interested can contact you by private message. How's that? ;-)
9464) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU Usage problem (Message 37332)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Especially not when it's running a form of spam. ;)
9465) Message boards : GPUs : Cuda & Mac OS X 10.6.7 (Message 37319)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you saying it does work with the extra monitor plugged in (after a reboot), or not? Just to clarify.
9466) Message boards : GPUs : Cuda & Mac OS X 10.6.7 (Message 37312)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, the developer doesn't know why it won't work on your ssytem, as it does on his without a flaw. So you might try reinstalling the special Mac CUDA driver from http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html as described in
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing#Get_the_latest_driver. The CUDA driver is separate from the NVIDIA driver for the Mac.

If that isn't it, it might be that dual-GPU issue as described in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing#Things_to_be_aware_of
9467) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.1 to 6.10 Versions Change Log (Message 37309)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.10.60 released for Windows and Linux.

Change Log:

  • Linux: Project list issue in the attach wizard that lead to a crash.
  • SCR: Follow the Mac's lead and gracefully exit the Data Management thread. Preserve the handle to take more drastic actions should that not work.
  • SCR: Fix compile breaks.



Linux versions are released through package managers.

9468) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc auto starting (Message 37298)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Open BOINC Manager
Advanced view
Advanced (in the menu bar)
Options
Uncheck "Run Manager at login?"
Click OK.

The actual place it runs from is the registry.
9469) Message boards : The Lounge : Crysis 2's legacies (Message 37293)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So I have been playing Crysis 2 for the past 2 and a half days. Is why I am a lot less available on the various forums and lists. :)

But in the mean time I have started a list of other games and movies that the developers of this game have leaned heavily on for ideas. Here's my list so far:

Games:
Crysis (of course)
Deus Ex
Deus Ex 2
Duke Nukem
Fallout 3
Far Cry
F.E.A.R.
F.E.A.R. 2
Half Life
Half Life 2
Return to Castle Wolfenstein


Movies:
Aliens
Avatar
Lawnmowerman
Predator
Resident Evil
The Day After Tomorrow
War of the Worlds (S. Spielberg remake)

Think you've seen something I haven't so far? Add it to the list. :)

Oh and one weird thing: You can shoot and destroy just about anything in the world/city environment, but driving against lampposts of the FDR will stop you dead.
9470) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37288)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.19 available for testing for all Windows + Macintosh.

Howdy Folks,

We have a new build to test. The primary reason for this release is to field test a possible fix for the screensaver. Over the last few months, with help from WCG and Intel, we think we have narrowed down the screensaver issue that was causing a host to appear as though it was locked up and the graphics frozen. I believe hitting CTRL-ATL-DEL or CTRL-SHIFT-ESCAPE would have brought up a menu which could be used to bring up the task manager and kill the boinc.scr process and reclaim the machine. But I have been unable to reproduce the problem and so could not experiment. This screensaver issue was reported several months ago, and WCG put together an experimental project server complete with an experimental graphics application to help us narrow down the issue. We have been chasing this bug since November of last year.

This release should also fix displaying notices with far east characters.

Please run the screensaver with this new release. We need to test it out on as many machines as possible.

Please report bugs here and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • MGR: Fix compiler warning.
  • MGR: Fill in initial URL on Account Manager Wizard Selection page.
  • MGR: Add a new page to Attach Wizard to be displayed if the user rejects the Terms of Use.
  • lib: Make sorts of projects and account mangers case-insensitive.
  • client and API: pass "network suspended" flag from client to app; make it available as part of BOINC_STATUS
  • SCR: Follow the Mac's lead and gracefully exit the Data Management thread. Preserve the handle to take more drastic actions should that not work.
  • SCR: Fix compile breaks.
  • MGR: fix crashing bug when notices (or other text parsed by XML_PARSER) contain non-ASCII characters.
  • MGR: fix the above to detect premature EOF correctly.

9471) Message boards : Questions and problems : "slots" folder 7GB and growing (Message 37283)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As soon as BOINC has uploaded & reported the tasks from any of the slot directories, that directory's contents are deleted.
9472) Message boards : BOINC client : gui_rpc_server_ops.cpp @ Revision 23074 (Message 37274)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, and thanks to you for that. I forwarded it to the developers, they weren't aware of the typo until now.
9473) Message boards : Questions and problems : processing in different computer (Message 37271)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As long as you do not use the home system for BOINC at the same time, and you don't mind doing all that legwork, then yes. As you describe.

Albeit, it's better to move the complete data directory from the computer that did the downloading to the one doing the processing. Then after processing is done, move the data directory back to the system doing the uploading/reporting/downloading.

Work is registered to the hostID of the computer doing the download. That same hostID must also upload/report that work. Hence why you best not use BOINC on that same system, or if you must, jiggle around with data directories.
9474) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7: How to run BOINC without BOINC Manager? (Message 37267)
Posted 23 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
So why can't you install BOINC as a service on your Win 7 then? That's the Protected Application Execution mode in the Advanced option in the installer.

By the way, it's also possible to just run boinc.exe from a command line and to let it close the command line window. To do so, make a new shortcut on your desktop, make its location "C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe" --detach and name it BOINC.
Now you have a choice what to do with the shortcut, run it from the StartUp folder, or place it into the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ key in the registry...
9475) Message boards : Questions and problems : How do I only use 3 cores on a quad core? (Message 37261)
Posted 23 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. Use the "On multiprocessors, use xxx% of the processor Enforced by 6.1+" option to set the amount of CPUs you want to use. In case of a quad core and you want to use 2 or 3, 50% or 75%. These values are integer numbers, meaning that when you fill in any value between and including 75 and 99, that 75% of total CPUs will be used.

2. You could also opt for using a cc_config.xml file with the exclusive_* options. That way, whenever any of the programs you exclude are in memory, BOINC pauses work completely, to continue it after you exited the exclusive program.

E.g.
<cc_config>
<options>
<exclusive_app>scalc.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>utorrent.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>notepad.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>

With the above example, whenever I would open Open Office Calc, or uTorrent, BOINC would suspend calculations on the CPUs, while opening Notepad would stop work on the GPU only. Only for as long as I have any of those programs open.

One line per exclusive application.
9476) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 37254)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
or could you add this feature to the next release ?

The devs will look into it for a future version, just not the next one. See their Remodel of computing preferences for more information.
9477) Message boards : GPUs : tow gpu _ boinc and folding (Message 37248)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1 + 2: No, such an option isn't available now, nor will there be in 6.12
3: That is possible, using a cc_config.xml file and the <ignore_cuda_dev>0</ignore_cuda_dev>, or <ignore_ati_dev>0</ignore_ati_dev> options.

Example given, if you have two ATI GPUs and one Nvidia GPU, they'll be called devices ATI0 and ATI1 and Nvidia0. You want to omit using the second ATI GPU. Here's how, add the follow lines into your cc_config.xml file:

<cc_config>
<options>
<ignore_ati_dev>1</ignore_ati_dev>
</options>
</cc_config>


Save changes to cc_config.xml and then fully exit BOINC & restart it. Changes to GPU detection can only be done at BOINC start-up, they cannot be done while BOINC runs already. So Open BOINC Manager->Advanced view->File->Exit->Check "Stop running science applications on Manager exit?"->OK, then Windows Start button->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager.

<ignore_cuda_dev>0</ignore_cuda_dev> will ignore CUDA device number 0 (first Nvidia chip or card).
<ignore_cuda_dev>1</ignore_cuda_dev> will ignore CUDA device number 1 (second card).
etc.

<ignore_ati_dev>0</ignore_ati_dev> will ignore ATI device 0 (first ATI chip or card).
<ignore_ati_dev>1</ignore_ati_dev> will ignore ATI device 1 (second ATI chip or card).
etc.
9478) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37236)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For Collatz you don't need the Cuda Toolkits for the Windows apps, the drivers themselves add support for Cuda23 and Cuda31, etc.

Now, that's going to be a little difficult to put in the table as it is now. I'll see if I can figure out a new table, but do know I work with HTML codes to do them, so the FAQ itself looks quite noisy, as in:

[table]
[tr]
[td]ATI/AMD[/td]
[td]Windows[/td]
[td]Linux[/td]
[td]Macintosh[/td]
[td]CAL/Brook+[/td]
[td]OpenCL[/td]
[td]Memory Use GPU[/td]
[td]Memory Use PC[/td]
[td]Min. driver version[/td]
[td]ATI SDK[/td]
[td]Comments On Use?[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Collatz[/td]
[td]Y + AP[/td]
[td]AP[/td]
[td]N[/td]
[td]Y[/td]
[td]N[/td]
[td]Scaled to GPU[/td]
[td]Scaled to GPU[/td]
[td]Catalysts 8.12[/td]
[td]1.3[/td]
[td]AP = Anonymous Platform[/td]
[/tr]

It's quite easy to lose something, or lose your point of view. So please, keep things as simple as can be for now.
9479) Message boards : GPUs : Projects for GPUs with less than 256mb of memory (Message 37228)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are any projects for NVIDIA GPUs with less than 256mb of memory?

Collatz can use 128MB and less.

and how to limit/force/config those projects only to use the GPU, leaving another non-GPU projects (i.e. World Community Grid) using all CPU resources?

Technically, this isn't possible, since no GPU application runs on the GPU only. All GPU applications run on the CPU and use cycles of it. So you can't disable CPU use completely.

However, on the project's preferences page you will find options such as "Use CPU", "Use ATI GPU" and "Use Nvidia GPU". Depends on the project of course and whether or not they do have GPU applications and then which vendor's. There you can make your pick. By not enabling "Use CPU", you won't completely disable the CPU, you just won't get the CPU application and work for it from that project.
9480) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37223)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Finally found time to update the FAQ. That better?
I put in memory use at Primegrid as Unknown, as I don't know and can't figure it out from their forums. I even emailed Rytis but he never answered me back. Sniff. ;-)

Could still use all that info for (the) other projects, or when I got a bit of time free to go scour the various forums, I may find that info there. I am not in any hurry. :)
9481) Message boards : Questions and problems : Pause/Resume Question (Message 37216)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
In any event, it didn't seem to be necessary when I tried it recently.

Perhaps you have set the BOINC program directory up in the Windows path? As only then Windows will know immediately what you talk about.

Also, just to make it clear, using the boinccmd tool in a script or batch file, will not change how Snooze works. Snooze will continue to run only for 1 hour, no matter what values you set for this boinccmd voption.
9482) Message boards : Questions and problems : Pause/Resume Question (Message 37213)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You mean the Snooze? No, it's set at 1 hour. Although the developers have said, they'll look into it being user-definable in a future version (post 6.12).
9483) Message boards : Questions and problems : Odd interaction (Message 37210)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a known bug for up to BOINC 6.10.58.
A fix will be forthcoming in BOINC 6.12, to be released to public any day now...
9484) Message boards : Questions and problems : Reinstalled New Computer (Message 37205)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Want to give any clue which operating system you run or what project you're attached to? That might be nice.
9485) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37195)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know that one, Richard.
9486) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37192)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are also No ATI apps for the Macintosh at all

Keep thinking positively, perhaps Apple & AMD/ATI will release some drivers for the Mac in the future. ;)
9487) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC doesn't recognise ATI 5700 (Message 37191)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You said you installed the ATI card and then you did what? You let Windows install the drivers for it, or did you go to the ATI site and download the latest Catalysts from them, to install those?

And when you installed BOINC, did the ATI show up the first time around? You can still check that in the stdoutdae.txt file in the BOINC Data directory in C:\ProgramData\BOINC\
9488) Message boards : Questions and problems : Use only one GPU when user is active (Message 37188)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, such an option is not available yet; it may be in some unknown future.
9489) Message boards : News : BOINC server outage March 15-16 (Message 37187)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it isn't. If you want help though, please post in the Questions & Problems forum, in a thread of your own. Or post for help on the Einstein forums.
9490) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37182)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks Stephen.

In the mean time, I am opening the FAQ for comments (in this thread). Just so you can see what it'll look like, or not. Perhaps you want something changed. ;-)

http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=578
9491) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37179)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Last I heard, H2 was testing OpenCL apps for both Nvidia and ATI. That may have died an early death though. With Jack moving back to NYC, there's the question even whether or not H2 is ever going to be anything any further.
9492) Message boards : GPUs : Project GPU requirements (Message 37173)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I am busy with a FAQ for the BOINC FAQs, within the new feature of the tables (yeah! :-D). All I need for it is information.

What I need information on is the following; per GPU brand and the anonymous platform:
- which projects are there with GPU apps?
- Windows apps?
- Linux apps?
- Macintosh apps?
- CAL/Brook+?
- CUDA?
- OpenCL?
- Memory Use on GPU?
- Memory Use on PC?
- Min. driver version?
- ATI SDK needed?
- SDK version?
- Comments On Use?

Projects I think use GPUs are:
AQUA - Nvidia
Collatz - ATI + Nvidia
DNETC - ATI + Nvidia
DrugDiscovery - ATI + Nvidia + OpenCL
Einstein - Nvidia
GPUGRID - ATI + Nvidia (not sure)
Hydrogen - ATI + Nvidia + OpenCL
Milkyway - ATI + Nvidia + OpenCL
Primegrid - ATI + Nvidia
Seti - ATI + Nvidia + OpenCL
Seti Beta ATI + Nvidia

How am I doing? ;-)
Any information you have?
9493) Message boards : BOINC client : controling a project via app_info.xml (Message 37172)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, there isn't such an option, since the project's applications are multi-threaded. The applications decide they want to use all the available CPUs, it isn't up to BOINC. So your only option would be not to run AQUA on that computer.

Now, on the other hand, there are a couple of runtime bugs in 6.10 versions of BOINC when it comes to multi-threaded and single threaded applications running side-by-side. These bugs are fixed in the next version of BOINC, so it may also be that you just need to wait for that BOINC.

So you could try running with the Alpha version of 6.12.18. Do upgrade to the recommended version of 6.12 when it is released.

Having written all that, according to one anonymous source, it is possible to do this. This source will be announcing himself in private message to you.
9494) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot Upgrade or Clean Install To Newer BOINC (Message 37169)
Posted 13 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Do any of the other steps in the FAQ help you out?
9495) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cannot Upgrade or Clean Install To Newer BOINC (Message 37167)
Posted 13 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this FAQ. Best try the 'reinstall same version' first.

The message you get is due to a corrupt Microsoft installer file. A re-installation of the same BOINC version as you had before will fix this.
9496) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Screensaver for different projects on different monitors? (Message 37151)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, not with any of the present clients, and in my opinion not with the present OpenGL that the graphics/screen savers use. Well, not unless you have multiple videocards, or one videocard with multiple RAMDACs, one for each video-outlet.

But as you can see from this FAQ, it's been asked before and the developers are looking into things. Can't set a date, though.
9497) Message boards : GPUs : Using Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics (Message 37150)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's a shame intel won't releasing an API.

I didn't say they wouldn't. It's just not here yet, only in the rumour mill. And for OpenCL only at that. Then you still require projects that use it, which there are so far none, with none having plans --last that I read.
9498) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC manager is not able to connect to BOINC client (Message 37146)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What can I do ?

Check that BOINC its parts are allowed through your Windows firewall (or other firewall, if you use another). For Windows 7 firewall, Start->Control Panel->System and Security->Windows Firewall->Allowed Programs. Any of the entries of BOINC Manager and BOINC client, or boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe that aren't checked at the Home/Work (Private) level? Try checking them all (Change settings->check unchecked entries->OK).

Another possibility is that you have too much work in cache for the manager to show within the small time frame it can do RPCs (1 second) to update information about all work, and you have set BOINC Manager to show all tasks. Default is to show only Active tasks, to prevent the manager losing focus.

You can check what the status is in the registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager\Tasks\ActiveTasksOnly should show as 1 (one). And if it isn't, try changing it to 1 (one), then exit BOINC Manager & reopen it.
9499) Message boards : Questions and problems : Is it feasable to develop BOINC for android or other cellphone OS? (Message 37139)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ever tried to fill in "BOINC android" in a search engine? :P

BOINCOID
Also available: AndroBOINC, a BOINC Manager only app for smartphones.
9500) Message boards : GPUs : Using Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics (Message 37135)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, BOINC isn't using it. Not for calculations at least.
How to get BOINC to detect it? Pressure Intel into releasing an API (application programming interface) with which the BOINC developers can do so, preferably one for all normal platforms.

Now, this isn't to say no project could use it. Any project doing OpenCL application should practically be able to address the HD GPU in the processor, just by telling the science application what to look for. But alas, there's no project with Sandy Bridge compatible applications available either.

And even then, I don't know what your experience is with all that onboard embedded stuff, but in my experience it isn't that much good anyway. Nowhere near as powerful as nor as unobtrusive as external cards (with their own loads and loads of memory). And a hell to replace when broke.
9501) Message boards : GPUs : ATI HD3650 (Message 37133)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you using this card to do calculations with on Collatz, or possibly Dnetc? They're about the only two projects I can think of that may be able to use the 3650, since it's a single precision GPU and it cannot do OpenCL.

Or are you only using this card for graphics/the screen saver? In that case:
- which operating system do you use;
- which drivers are installed for this card;
-- are they installed by the operating system or did you get them from the ATI drivers page?
- In case of Windows, which DirectX version is installed?
- Have you tried any other 3D graphics on the card, like games or another (non-BOINC) Direct3D or OpenGL screen saver?
9502) Message boards : GPUs : MacBook Pro 2011 i7 hang (Message 37126)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Disable:
Make a cc_config.xml file with a simple text editor in your BOINC Data directory (where client_state.xml lives). Add into it the following lines:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>


Save file, as ANSI and make sure it has only got the .xml extension. Do know this isn't real XML, so you really do not need an XML editor to make it. As I said, a simple text edit/ASCII editor is enough. Probably the most default on OS X, as comparable to Notepad on Windows.

Next thing to do is exit BOINC fully and restart it.

I'll forward your posts to the developer for the Mac. Perhaps that he's heard some whispers in the wind. ;)
9503) Message boards : GPUs : Continues Processing GPU (Message 37123)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah... well, then I don't know either. (be nicer Jord)
9504) Message boards : GPUs : Continues Processing GPU (Message 37120)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti doesn't have an ATI application by default, so you're using an anonymous platform file (app_info.xml) to tell BOINC what application to use. It's then the anonymous application that uses the GPU, without BOINC knowing about it.

With the anonymous platform file you're overriding all settings set by BOINC and decide on your own what piece of hardware to use. You can then even use the GPU while it's set to Suspend in BOINC. You can even disable the GPU detection all together and use the GPU this way. Or go back to BOINC 5.10.45, which doesn't even do GPU detection and use it.
9505) Message boards : BOINC client : Loading solution file in VS 2010 (Message 37113)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For using VS2010, you will have to do a lot of groundwork by hand.
You'll need the VS2010 additional dependencies and need to change the path for everything in all .vcproj files from "/boinc_depends_win_vs2005/" to "/boinc_depends_win_vs2010/".

And even then it may not work. Which visual studio is this, the full version or the express edition? The express edition --and thus free edition-- cannot build 64bit, only 32bit. Where have you installed this visual studio to? One of the default "Project Files" directories on a 64bit Windows? Then it's in the wrong place, as these directories are reserved by Windows for 64bit programs only. It needs to be in the "Program Files (x86)" directory, as that one's reserved for 32bit programs only, which VS2010 still is. It is a 32bit program that can build 64bit programs...
9506) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37112)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.18 available for testing for all platforms.

Rom Walton wrote:
I removed the incompatible code that prevented work-fetch from
functioning properly.

6.12.18 is now ready for testing.

----- Rom

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new build to test. This release picks up fixes that have accumulated over the last three weeks. Among them you'll notice that the notices tab no longer has a button area, the 'Display and network options' dialog now displays the frequency reminder as a combo box instead of a slider. The new default is 6 hours between new notice checks.

Please continue to give us feedback on the whole notices feature area.

Please report bugs here and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • Backout change set [trac]changeset:23175[/trac], it prevents work-fetch with 6.12 scheduler.

9507) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37111)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.17 available for testing for Windows and Linux.

Rom Walton wrote:
Skip this release. I'll have a new build out as soon as I can figure
out what is messed up with work-fetch.

----- Rom

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: fix inaccuracy in RR simulation reported by Bill Barber.

    The problem arises when there are jobs of projects with widely differing resource shares, and results in an overestimation of saturated time.

    Old: at the start of simulation, call WORK_FETCH::compute_shares() to get resources of runnable projects. Use these throughout the simulation.

    Problem: suppose you have 2 runnable projects;
                P1 has large RS, P2 has small RS.
                P1's jobs finish quickly.
                P2's jobs then are running alone, but their FLOPS is scaled (incorrectly) by P2's small RS.
    

    Solution: recompute relative CPU resource share within the simulation loop, and compute it over the projects that have actives jobs in the simulation.

  • Manager: fix copyright date in about box.
  • client: fix spurious error when removing a notice RSS feed.
  • client: print smoothed as well as instantaneous WSS.
  • Manager: make RPC reason strings translatable.
  • MGR: Refactor part of the Options dialog out of the Advanced Frame code.
  • MGR: Change the Reminder Frequency option in the Options dialog to a combo box. TODO: Change the taskbar logic to handle the 'always' case.
  • MGR: ComboBoxes are zero index based.
  • MGR: Handle the 'always' option by only popping a new balloon if the unread notice count differs from the last time we popped a balloon.

9508) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Switching Users (Message 37110)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes. A possible fix will be in the upcoming 6.12 client.
9509) Message boards : GPUs : probably a GPU problem (Message 37106)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
All-righty. Glad to have been of some help. :)
9510) Message boards : GPUs : probably a GPU problem (Message 37104)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How about trying to upgrade to a little more up-to-date version of BOINC?

I didn't even remember 6.2 did GPU detection at all; I thought that was only available in a reliable form from 6.6 onwards, after 6.4 and 6.5 gave it to the masses.

For comparisons, 6.2.14 is from July 2008. Berkeley is trying hard to release 6.12.x at this time. You're 10 versions and countless revisions behind. Not much of a wonder that when it doesn't work it may be your old version of BOINC.

Try to upgrade to 6.10.58 first, that's the present recommended version. If you need installation instructions, see here. Don't forget to check the 32bit compatibility library files required for some projects.
9511) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 37102)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.16 available for testing for all Windows.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: when detach project, remove its RSS feeds from list.
  • client: remove once-per-week limit for client-generated notices; need to show "network connection required" more often.
  • client: when remove "network conn required" notice (because now have conn) set the flag that says complete notice list is being sent.
  • client: if RSS feed fetch returns <error_num>, show the corresponding message rather than "XML parse error".
  • client: Fast User Switching does not change the session protocol to RDP when the active session is put into the background and a new one is brought into the foreground. It appears it is safe to use the connected state in addition to the protocol to detect when the session is no longer capable of processing GPU work.
  • client: more notice-related fixes. I'm working on this case:
    - start up
    - disconnect (produces notice)
    - reconnect (removes notice) The client is now doing the right thing. The manager is not.
  • client: make "wait 30 sec after exclusive app exits" apply to network too.
  • client: fix bug in "wait 30 sec after exclusive app exits" logic.
  • client: fix compile warning and possible bug in is_remote_desktop().
  • client: fix compiler warning.
  • client: surround the opaque field in a CDATA block.
  • client: wait 15 seconds (instead of 5) for an app to exit before killing it. Apparently some apps take ~10 sec on slow computers.
  • client: in the loop that starts up apps, check if we've been in the loop for 10 sec. If so, break out of it and reschedule. Avoid starving GUI RPCs and heartbeats.
  • client: finish [trac]changeset:22902[/trac] (pass user ID, team ID to apps). Forgot to parse them in scheduler reply.
  • client: on finish upload, trigger work fetch (since we may have been waiting for upload finish).
  • MGR: Properly handle the case where the only notice in the manager is the 'no notice' notice and then we transition to a single notice from another source.
  • manager: show notice create time rather than arrival time.
  • client: don't show "need network" notice if we don't need it.
  • client: when get a bunch of notices from RSS feed, sort them by create time before appending to notice list. This ensures that, in the Notices tab, notices are ordered decreasing create time within an RSS feed (though not necessarily across feeds).
  • MGR: Turn -boincargs into a string instead of an option.
  • MGR: Turn off the task pane for the notices tab.
  • MGR: Disable our color scheme is a non-white background is selected for the current theme. My commit on 3 Mar 2010 wasn't good enough for High-Contrast themes.
  • client: in deciding whether to remove the "need network" notice, we were using the wrong (too high-level) interface.
  • MGR: Change the reminder frequency interval to hours and adjust the min/max values to 0/24. Default value is now 6 hours between notification reminders.
  • boinccmd: fix --get_project_config operation.

9512) Message boards : Server programs : Unable to do project communication with running project (Message 37096)
Posted 6 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't run BOINC on the same machine you run the server from, as that won't work as far as I know. But really, you will get faster answers through the email list.
9513) Message boards : Questions and problems : Using GPU on a Mac (Message 37094)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's something you best ask at the Einstein forums, since it's their application that requires it. BOINC detects your GPU without issue, as you can see.

Best read this thread and add to it if necessary.
9514) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Wishlist for Mac (Message 37088)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
hmm... could you please explain how authentication process is implemented? first I supplied email and password to join a project, then manager logs in automagically even after upgrade.

The technical method is shown here.
9515) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Disable Notices Popup? (Message 37086)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The question remains "Why?". Why don't you want at least the first Notices balloon? (It's a balloon over the system tray these days, not a pop-up).

If they annoy you, then you really need to do some anger-management courses as when even one little balloon, which goes away all on its own, will annoy you, you may have other issues to deal with first. :P

If you don't want other users to know about BOINC running on the system, either don't use BOINC when the computer is in use, or don't use the GPU while the computer is in use, or run BOINC as a service, or just run BOINC without BOINC Manager.
9516) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Disable Notices Popup? (Message 37083)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I am using 6.12.12 (x64).

Unless you're an alpha tester, you shouldn't be using 6.12 at all at this time. Or else update at each new 6.12, as it's still in active bug-fix modus. 6.12.16 is about to be released to testing any moment now.

So what is it you see exactly?
Why is it a hindrance?
Can you reproduce that behaviour in a newer / the latest alpha version?
9517) Message boards : Questions and problems : Two accounts by mistake (Message 37066)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's two different projects, so of course you have two accounts. One at the one project, the other at the other. Projects under BOINC are individual entities, they've not all got the same Boss backing them.

In case you mean you have two different names showing, you can always change the name and email address in the account feature of the project.

Now then, your signature. Can you please take out the link to the Main Street Marketing Machines, as that smells and tastes like a commercial advertisement. Those are forbidden around here and we will be forced to banish your account if you do not remove the link.
9518) Message boards : Questions and problems : full-screen project graphics outside screensave (Message 37061)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein's Cuda apps do use their screensaver app, probably helps that their Cuda GPU app only loads the GPU to 60%, plenty of time left to run Graphics

I asked Oliver about this and here's what he had to say:

Yes, all our CUDA apps come with the graphics app.

It's upon the user to decide if they want to use the screen saver or show the graphics. Some like to see the graphics, despite displaying it can reduce GPU performance. One would need to measure the actual differences though.

FYI, when the GPU does CUDA computations the starsphere stops for a
fraction of a second. I thus think that CUDA computations have a higher
priority than OpenGL rendering. Also, keep in mind that even our latest
CUDA app "just" uses up to 75% of a single-core GPU.

As for OpenCL, this uses the same device components, it's just a different language for programming. CUDA and OpenGL also can't just be used in parallel, they can even interact. Most famous example being:

http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch31.html
9519) Message boards : Questions and problems : do aborted tasks influence duration_correction_factor? (Message 37060)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The duration correction factor will only change at the end of the task. When you abort the task, the DCF is not affected, it'll stay at what it was. No matter what you think it should and should not do.

Now, WCG tasks do not have a deadline of 2 days, but one of 14 days. You want to tell me you can't finish them in that allotted time? For then your cache wishes may be too high.

I'm running BOINC only during 9pm - 7am during the week, and all hours in the weekend and manage to get all work for all 5 projects that I run out in time for their respective deadlines, including the Malaria project with their small deadlines and WCG/Einstein with their long run time and longer deadlines.
9520) Message boards : GPUs : Is the HD 4650 a Double Precision card? (Message 37052)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Again, if after you installed the manufacturer's drivers BOINC recognizes it as a GPU, it's capable of using it (at those projects that use an ATI card).

But since it shows in the list of OpenCL capable devices, it'll be able to do Brook+ (CAL) as well.
9521) Message boards : GPUs : Is the HD 4650 a Double Precision card? (Message 37048)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If BOINC recognizes it as a GPU, it can use it.
9522) Message boards : Questions and problems : full-screen project graphics outside screensave (Message 37038)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
In Simple View: On the running task, if there is a project screen saver available, it'll show "Graphics available". Click that. You can resize this window, even maximize it.

In Advanced view, select any of the running tasks. If a project screen saver is available, the "Show graphics" button will light up. Click that. You can resize this window, even maximize it.

You can only show the graphics of the project that is actually running, and only if this project has a screen saver of its own. Only CPU run applications have a separate graphics/screen saver application.

Tasks running conventional ATI and Nvidia applications (non-OpenCL) do not have graphics, since you're using the GPU for calculations. With OpenCL there is the possibility to do graphics at the same time, yet because most projects who use OpenCL applications have their apps done by 3rd party people (people who run the project for a gazillion credits a second), they don't release the graphics app as it slows down the calculations and thus their need to receive the gazillion credits a second.
9523) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Request: Set the Maximum number of WU's a gpu can process (Message 37035)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oh, is there rules now? You changed what you said so everyone ignore the rest of the message, that what you mean?

If Boinc were hardwired to not allow older gpus like the GTX/GTS-200, 9000 and 8000 series gpus to do no more than one wu per gpu(Work Unit), then the existing advanced controls would work just fine and then only for the Anonymous Platform.

You're missing out on what the anonymous platform is for. It's there to allow you to run work on 'not standard hardware', 'not recognized operating systems' or to do work differently than how it's done by default. In all cases, it's there for the other than new or average user.

You're contradicting your self in your 'request'. First you ask for the option to be hardwired into BOINC that it only recognizes hardware X and not hardware Y to be able to do this, then you continue to saying you want the controls through the advanced view (preferences) and then you want it through anonymous platform... which overrides all what we had before.

Now, the last bit of a problem here is:
a) No other science application has its specific controls through any of the preferences (global or local), so why should it be done for Seti?
b) BOINC is more than just Seti alone. Please consider that even if it were possible to do this, it would have to work for all projects out there, not just Seti. And then work for them without bringing them into problems.
c) No work is ever done by BOINC, but always by the science application. So for any of this to work, you'd better change the behaviour of the science application, or add one to it with its own app_plan.

I never mentioned anything about the cpu of course, Unless You consider a Fermi GPU a CPU.

Please go re-read what I wrote, as I never said anything like that, nor even hinted to it.
9524) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Request: Set the Maximum number of WU's a gpu can process (Message 37033)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I asked the developers a while ago about this, their answer was "Why?".
I can see what they're going at, as BOINC is made to run one task per piece of hardware, so one task per core of the CPU, one task per GPU per videocard.

You can run more than one task per CPU, be it with the debug option built into BOINC, or with an anonymous platform file; that's then your own choice.

So for the GPU as well, the function's built in that we'll run work on it. You want to run more than one task on it, then use the options to your disposal for that. But it's going to be an advanced users thing, not a default, "let's make the new user mad as hell" kind of thing.

Because as ever, people are forgetting what BOINC was made for. It's time you start remembering that. It's not here to run science 24/7/365 on as much hardware as it can run on, to pump out credits by the gazillion. It's here to use the spare cycles on the hardware.

So, as a result, BOINC's default behavior is that science applications are not run while the computer is in use. This to stop it from slowing down the whole computer when people start using it. And we all know that work done on a GPU will slow down the computer, especially the drawing of the desktop. Some more so than others. And then the users either complain at the BOINC forums or at the project forums and they uninstall the software as it interferes with their usage patterns. Not what we want.
9525) Message boards : Questions and problems : Network in use by BOINC despite being suspended (Message 37022)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC isn't using your network. What you see is local traffic, called an RPC, through port 31416, the TCP port that BOINC uses to talk among its parts.

For instance, the showing of the Tasks tab and all values inside it, needs to still be updated every now and then. That's the 'traffic' you see.
9526) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Does BOINC run (Message 37020)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That depends on the type of installation you used.
When you used the service installation (in the installer, 3rd screen in you clicked Advanced and checked the "Protected application execution" box), then BOINC runs even when no one is logged in.

When you installed in the public mode, as soon as anyone logs off and you're at the login screen, BOINC stops running.

Do know that you cannot install BOINC as a service when you use a GPU (Nvidia/ATI) for calculations, as due to the sandboxing nature of Windows Vista (and 7), the videocard driver will be installed in a level where BOINC is unable to use it, and as such it's unable to detect any GPUs. This can only be fixed by the videocard manufacturers and Microsoft, not by BOINC.
9527) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 37015)
Posted 25 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, before you scream bloody murder at me, I did send both of them to the developers, and got the next answer back.
Rom Walton wrote:
IIRC, hyper-threading only added a 5-10% overhead to processing a task, both tasks spend more time waiting for memory fetches than fighting over the FPU.

As far as DirectCompute is concerned, you are correct in that it is a Windows only technology.

Intel will at some point provide a OpenCL driver for their videochips.

Eventually all the vendors implementations will mature to the point that a project will be able to release one binary and it'll compile and optimize for the host machine at runtime.

----- Rom
9528) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 37008)
Posted 25 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
*Add DirectCompute to the possible targets for Windows BOINC clients. The reasoning is as follows: Intel is unfortunately the market leader for GPUs. Currently, the only way to use them in GPGPU applications is to use DirectCompute because Intel's graphics chipsets do not support OpenCL.

Not sure where you got this information from, but the Intel HD 2000 and 3000 graphics chips will both support OpenCL, just as the CPUs themselves will support it. I believe you were set on the wrong foot by looking into the release notes on the present Intel OpenCL Alpha SDK, which says it's for the CPU only. This doesn't mean that in the future their graphics won't be supported.

One possible drawback is that this will slow CPU tasks because it will compete with the CPU cores for memory throughput. One additional positive is that programmers do not need to compile separate paths for ATI/AMD and nVidia like you need to do with OpenCL.

Another (bigger) drawback is that this form of computing is only supported on Windows Vista and 7, not on 2000 and XP, which are still used on most Windows computers out there.

Thus you're breaking BOINC its cross-platform compatibility, where one can compile the same BOINC version from the same source code, be it for Linux, Mac or Windows, without needing extra programs, APIs or code.
9529) Message boards : The Lounge : Would like to help with bugs, don't know where to start (Message 37007)
Posted 25 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For a list of things needed to happen, check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DevProjects. Then decide what you can tackle.

If you think about adding to the client/adjusting/making it into your own likeness, then compiling it, check http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient.
9530) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with BOINC (Message 37006)
Posted 25 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Right click Windows desktop->Personalize->Screen Saver->BOINC->Settings.
What's the value of the first slider (blank screensaver after)? Set it to Never.
9531) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature requests: tweaks that will make tasks run more smoothly in multi-core machines (Message 36997)
Posted 24 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I must say, as a personal matter, that I have never ever had any slowdowns while running BOINC together with other programs, unless I was using the GPU as well. That with the first BOINC versions in 2003, ranging to the present day and latest beta version, on hardware going from Pentium 4s to the present i3, running Windows 2000, XP and 7, plus Linux (Sabayon and Mint).

So I don't really see what is causing all these (perceived?) slowdowns for people. Yet, if you then know of the 'leave one core free' workaround, why not use it? Have we forgotten that BOINC is a program that uses the excess CPU cycles that otherwise go lost, to do science with? There is no requirement to run it 24/7 at 100% full power on all possible hardware. There has never been, there never will be. So why is there this deep-rooted need for adjustments to make BOINC work flawlessly while the computer is in use?

Its default setting is to be used when the computer is otherwise idle. Any slowdowns "the average user" will then find are due to other causes, as BOINC will have suspended at the time the user started fiddling with the mouse. Or due to the "more than advanced user" having changed the preferences in which BOINC runs on that machine.
9532) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc keeps running even when computer is in use. (Message 36993)
Posted 23 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC idle detection has been very difficult to get it working right under Linux. It won't be there in 6.4.5; that version is ancient at best (December 2008).

If you can stand the wait, wait for BOINC 6.12 to be released as that one will have the idle detection working. We're at present testing these versions, there's bugs in them still, so please don't upgrade to any of the latest 6.12 beta versions yet.
9533) Message boards : The Lounge : Windows 7 Service pack 1 released to public (Message 36987)
Posted 23 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Totally nothing to do with BOINC (for now), but just in case you're living under a rock, Microsoft released Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 last night.

You can go sit through the auto-update --which apparently takes 30 minutes or more-- or download the installation files by hand.

Be aware that this is quite a hefty download.
For 64bit the total download tallies at 3,407MB .. Isn't that a new Windows? ;-)
For 32bit the total download tallies at 3,116.2MB

I hope you have a speedy connection. When you do install, best keep BOINC turned off, or suspended through the whole ordeal.

I've downloaded all... now will sit on it for a couple of days, checking around that this thing doesn't cause instant Blue Screen of Death on people. :)
9534) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Boinc keeps running even when computer is in use. (Message 36984)
Posted 23 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Apparently no version info to pass along about the BOINC manager I am using....

Sure there is: BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Help->About BOINC Manager.

As for the preferences, I assume you used the local preferences?
Try to clear them (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Preferences->Clear; or in the 6.12 versions BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences->Clear) and set them again; or when you're using the preferences from a project web site, make sure you aren't running the local preferences as these will override the web-based preferences. In that case, clear the local preferences and don't set them again.
9535) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error: Free space problem: 100Gb free, need 2Gb (Message 36981)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, but now they're on [trac]changeset:23080[/trac]. I'd really like Richard's explanation on how a compiler fix for the client fixed the problem at AQUA. ;-)
9536) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error: Free space problem: 100Gb free, need 2Gb (Message 36973)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded to development.
9537) Message boards : Questions and problems : Error: Free space problem: 100Gb free, need 2Gb (Message 36969)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I went through all the entries from 23007 to 23079, unless one of the preferences changes did it, there hasn't been anything else. Yet I agree with Peter that 23079 is for the client only and so you will see this change in 6.12.16. It shouldn't affect any server.

AQUA forums are now gone/off line? All I see is white. ;)
9538) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 36966)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes Peter, as a consequence of me testing that with 6.12.15. We wanted to know if it was broken, or not. Damn, it was broken.
9539) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature requests: tweaks that will make tasks run more smoothly in multi-core machines (Message 36964)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not much different then than the request made here and that's already been answered by the developers in Use at most... for CPU and GPU.
9540) Message boards : BOINC client : Use at most % processors when computer is not in use (Message 36942)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
We do have a whole new fresh Wish List thread for things like this. And then, it's been asked before and the developers have answered already, here.
9541) Message boards : GPUs : Is the HD 4650 a Double Precision card? (Message 36924)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Nope. See Comparison of AMD graphics processing units, bus width is 64/128 bits. For DP it needs to be 256 bits.
9542) Message boards : Questions and problems : ATI / Nvidia problem?? (Message 36918)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, I can only assume you didn't open that computer, did you? It came to you specced like that? I can only assume that you have 2 ATI cards in there and one Nvidia. There is no 5750 or 5770 with dual GPU.
9543) Message boards : Questions and problems : ATI / Nvidia problem?? (Message 36916)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
How many GPUs are on that ATI card? If two, that could be the problem.
Which Dell Studio XPS do you have explicitly? I could look it up for you.
9544) Message boards : Questions and problems : Having to consistantly reset computer due to BOINC (Message 36915)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC is a managing program, it doesn't do any calculations. So any slowdowns that you see are due to changes to the science programs doing the calculations, or problems with your computer. Something to check for is the amount of dust built up inside your computer, this will affect how your CPU works.
9545) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 36907)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.15 available for testing for all platforms.

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: if a logical filename contains /'s, create the needed dirs under the slot dir.
  • manager: project properties: if no venue, show "default".
  • client, linux: use X server for idle detection if available.
  • Mac: Make backtrace compile properly with OS 10.5 and OS 10.6 SDKs.
  • Mac Installer: Fix the code which deletes installer receipt.
  • file upload handler: if client-reported offset is less than file size, don't just print an error message;
    lseek() back to the offset point. Otherwise we can end up with duplication in the file.
  • update_versions: if FILE.file_ref_info contains <open_name>, use that instead of physical name. This lets you have logical names with slashes.
  • Mac: More thorough error checking and recovery.
  • client: fix work-fetch bug. The change in [trac]changeset:21877[/trac] caused tasks in "download stalled" state to be skipped in RR simulation, and therefore to not be counted in the work buffer. However, "download stalled" was not being evaluated correctly; it was considering only per-file backoff, not project-wide backoff.
  • client: another work-fetch bug: don't fetch work from a project in project-wide download backoff.
  • client: fix bug in mechanism that defers work request until pending uploads are finished. Due to a typo, this was not being done.
  • client: when exclusive app mechanism is used (CPU or GPU) wait for 30 secs after excl app exits before restarting computation.
  • Mac: Additional error checking and release created objects.
  • Mac installer: update branded build scripts to eliminate wrapper application around install package.

9546) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 36906)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. If is possible to detect that Windows is switching users and suspend GPU processing, I wish BOINC would do that for me.

It's on the TODO list, and only this morning I emailed the developers on this again. Probably after reading your thread. ;-)

I must say, I just tested this for the developers and found:
1. BOINC continues to run under the other user account.
2. Both CPU and GPU will continue unaffected.
3. No crashes, but no suspension either.

And that's on Windows 7 - 64bit with BOINC 6.12.15. So you could test it later today when it's going to be released for testing.
9547) Message boards : Questions and problems : Conflict with 'Free Download Manager' software (windows) (Message 36905)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I must ask... which free download manager? There seem to be quite a few out there with that name, some disputing that the others aren't to be trusted. So, uh...

If it's the torrent like one, your slowdown may be happening because it downloads whatever you download from various sources, thereby easily maxing out your bandwidth. Now, I don't know what your internet speed is (upload and download, in kilobits or megabits), but I do know that when your network is maxing out, your CPU load is also quite heavy. Especially on integrated network cards.

So you go and check in Windows Task Manager what is maxing out the CPU (cores) when you download and BOINC is on.
9548) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 36904)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
By the way, is there a similar list of things already under development?

Of sorts, in a way: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DevProjects

1. If is possible to detect that Windows is switching users and suspend GPU processing, I wish BOINC would do that for me.

It's on the TODO list, and only this morning I emailed the developers on this again. Probably after reading your thread. ;-)

2. Would like to see the number of days' work to keep on hand become a project preference rather than a global one.

Not gonna be done, as far as I know. It'll screw up the CPU/GPU schedulers in BOINC to no end and we're just about now seeing the light at the end of the scheduling tunnel, after they've been changed and redone for the past 3 years.

3, Would like to be able to change resource shares from BOINC Manager and have that info sent to the project servers. Currently have to visit each site to do this.

Not going to be done. It's something of a security risk as well, to have your computer dictate to a project server what it should do or set. As you said already, you can do this through an account manager. So either.. or..

4. This subject of using one, all, or no gpu's is all over the help desk forums - could it be handled in BOINC Manager preferences or options?

b. Zero out the long term debt- useful when project balances get out of kilter and I want a fresh start.

These are something that the developers deem 'too technical' for the beginner and average user to use. So neither's going to be a menu item, on its own. Even editing the cc_config.xml is something for advanced users only.

Oh, PS: "useful when project balances get out of kilter" .. and you want to set how much work you can cache per project?? How quickly do you think your project balances will be out the window doing that? ;-)
9549) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem attaching to malariacontrol.net (Message 36898)
Posted 17 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Byron will be approached by Nicolas through email (with thanks for the quick answer, Nick!).

In the mean time, if anyone else ever finds themselves in this situation, check Malaria's personnel page, down in the right corner there's a "Contact show/hide" link. Click it to find a contact form directly to the project people.
9550) Message boards : BOINC client : My Wish List (Message 36893)
Posted 17 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
A new beginning, a new thread. The other one was a bit filled up, even though only at ~150 posts.

For clarity, please do not add your signature when you post to this thread.

Before you add to this thread, see if your request isn't already in the list of past requests and what answer the developers gave them.

Seeing how just about everyone wants to start their own "wish" thread these days in the Client forum, I am moving this thread from the Manager forum to the Client forum. Not that it'll attract much more attention here, but hey I can try. ;-)
9551) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem attaching to malariacontrol.net (Message 36892)
Posted 17 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've sent Nicolas an email with request to come help you, Byron.
Perhaps that he can give you your account key through PM, or direct email.
9552) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request: Make EDF mode Hyper-threading aware (Message 36882)
Posted 16 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As for determining whether or not hyper-threading exists, I noticed that BOINC detects the CPU, gets its CPUID flags, and logs this information into the messages tab when it opens probably by using the CPUID instruction, at least in the Windows versions. It should be easy to detect whether or not hyper threading exists from this information.

Oh, detecting whether the CPU can do hyper-threading isn't the problem. The problem is to disable the virtual CPUs. How will any program know which are the real and which are the virtual processors? The OS doesn't even differentiate between the two, it just shows how many CPUs you have.

And then what should BOINC do? Disable hyper-threading, a function that is only done in the BIOS? Or at a guess run with a max of 50% of the CPUs? As when it does that, it could well be that in your case of an i7/4/8, there's still 2 real/2 virtual CPUs running, or 1 real/3 virtual, or 3 real/1 virtual, or 4 real/0 virtual or 0 real/4 virtual.

Source: http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/appnote/241618.pdf, Bit 28.
The physical processor package is capable of supporting more than one logical processor. This field does not indicate that Hyper-Threading Technology or Core Multi-Processing (CMP) has been enabled for this specific processor. To determine if Hyper-Threading Technology or CMP is supported, compare value returned in EBX[23:16] after executing CPUID with EAX=1. If the resulting value is > 1, then the processor supports Multi-Threading.
9553) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature request: Make EDF mode Hyper-threading aware (Message 36865)
Posted 15 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
AQUA uses multi-threading in their application, which means that it will use all available cores, be it real or virtual, to calculate the tasks.

When your system is running tasks in Earliest Deadline First mode a lot, then you have lots of problems on your own. Changing how BOINC does things will not fix that, unless you figure out where it's going wrong on your system. Perhaps your cache is a little too large even for your system?

Aside from that, I fear it's nearly impossible for BOINC to detect how many true cores there are in any given system. I mean, the OS already sees all these CPUs, so how is any software going to know specifically which cores are real and which aren't? And then you have that little nifty problem of cross-platform-compatibility, where the source code for BOINC needs to be able to do that for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X without relying on external OS specific APIs or mechanisms.
9554) Message boards : GPUs : Installed HD 4650 1 G DDR3 (Message 36859)
Posted 14 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which operating system?

I ask that as 6.10.17 isn't the latest version, 6.10.58 is. So if you downloaded this BOINC from the Berkeley site, you should've gotten 6.10.58
Yet if you've got some version of Linux, its package manager may not be up-to-date and given you the older BOINC.

Now then, BOINC not detecting your GPU is always a problem with the driver. Either you didn't install the correct driver (never use the driver provided by the OS, always install an up-to-date driver from the GPU manufacturer), or your BOINC has no permission to look for this driver.

This happens in all Linux versions, where the OS separates the sandbox BOINC is installed in from parts the OS uses. This also happens in Windows Vista and 7 (and their Server component versions) when you install BOINC as a service.

So... over to you to give a lot more information.
9555) Message boards : Questions and problems : Updating BOINC on Ubuntu (Message 36852)
Posted 13 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, first off, I know next to nothing about Linux, so I won't be able to help you much. Yet according to those error messages, you run BOINC without permission, or your BOINC does not have permission to run the science applications, or write to disk. So check that first.
9556) Message boards : Questions and problems : Devs asking help, your answers... (Message 36849)
Posted 13 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
In this thread you can post the answers you want to give to any of the problems given in the Developers requesting your help on BOINC issues... thread.

Please do state which problem you answer to and if you answer to more than one problem, do so in multiple posts.

With thanks.
9557) Message boards : Questions and problems : Http error (Message 36848)
Posted 13 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
From http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/:

Seti front page news wrote:
Workunit Server Status
We are still having RAID failures on our workunit server. We are getting good support and are working to fix it

Seti Tech News wrote:
Mmmkay. Now the less good news. Looks like gowron is having some fundamental RAID issues. The issues has been whittled down to one RAID1 pair tagged as degraded that won't rebuild no matter what we do. THe guys at Overland have been super helpful - but this is actually an old SnapAppliance (not a box that Overland sells) and running a (very) old version of the OS. So it's looking like our best bet to move forward is to upgrade the OS on the thing. However to do so we need to copy the workunits on the system (about 2 terabyte's worth) elsewhere temporarily. How about... thumper! That copy process is happening now.

Meanwhile, we'll be off for the foreseeable future. Like at least until next week, I imagine. Bummer.
(Source)

Essentially, that project is down.
Always, when it works one day but not the next, assume it's the project. Check their front page and forums for news first. That's what they are there for.
9558) Message boards : GPUs : is dnetz part of boinc? (Message 36844)
Posted 13 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, why not? Ah, you're not sure what a wrapper is? A wrapper allows the original program to run in its original programming language, without the project requiring to port their code over to the language BOINC uses (C/C++).

So DNetC runs the original applications from Distributed.net, within BOINC.
9559) Message boards : GPUs : is dnetz part of boinc? (Message 36842)
Posted 13 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You mean Dnetc? From http://www.dnetc.net/: DNETC@Home is a wrapper between BOINC and distributed.net.

That ought to say enough. Now to see if they can stay alive (funds, finances and money).
9560) Message boards : Questions and problems : Developers requesting your help on BOINC issues... (Message 36839)
Posted 12 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The past week there was a new option on the Seti account preferences, since disabled. It was a "Delete Account" option, which did what it says it would do on the tin:

Deleting your account will remove all of your personal information from our servers, including your profile and message-board posts.
No jobs will be issued to any computers attached to this account.

Thinking that a hotheaded person would delete his account in a rage and then when clearer thoughts surfaced, he'd ask for his account back, I asked that a sterner warning be added; which it was.

This cannot be undone. Once your account has been deleted, you cannot get it back.

And even then... not really secure all. Some would only need to have access to an account, not even necessarily his own, to be able to delete it without option to get it back.

As such, here we are. The option is there, it's just disabled at this time until there's a (somewhat) fool-proof method of removing the accounts.

The Ultimate Safest Way is of course to never let the user do it and leave it to an administrator, after the user requested it in a formal way. Problem here is that the administrator may not always have time, or there could hypothetically be something of a very secret thing in that account, that not even an admin should know about. Proof of ET or who shot JFK... things like that. ;-)

In the mean time I sent two options to David already, both of which could be used, but are less secure than aforementioned option. I'm thinking of using the password or the account key. Now any password change link (such as http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/edit_passwd_form.php) only asks for the NEW password. None ask for the old password, but OK one may have forgotten that one and logged in with the account key. We can't use the account key at this moment either, as that one's shown prominently
on the account page. Perhaps that this is where we should make the change.

Option 1.
1. Account page only shows Weak account key.
2. edit_passwd_form.php will only change the password, no need for the previous password.
3. Account key is sent to the user again with the email, after registration. This then requires a real email address (and not as is now, a fake one).
4. Validated email address is required.
5. Delete account can only be initiated with the account key.

Option 2.
1. edit_passwd_form.php requires previous password if we want to use the password.
2. Real email address required for account registration.
3. Validated email address required.
4. This way we can send the old password to the user's email address (upon request).
5. User can delete account with his password.

Do you think you can think of another easy to use, but secure method? Tell us.
9561) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU stuck in 3D High performance mode. (Message 36838)
Posted 12 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could of course also just turn the GPU off in the present BOINC. That way you can upgrade to newer, better versions without worrying too much about why the GPU doesn't do its work when it is supposed to. Although, you never said which BOINC versions you use, I just assume they're recent (6.10.58)?

To turn the GPU off, see my GPU FAQ.
9562) Message boards : BOINC Manager : My Wish List - part 3. (Message 36832)
Posted 12 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm using the 6:12:14 version

This is still an Alpha version, not a production/recommended version.
And as such, from the BOINC Alpha thread:

Q. Why was the Messages tab removed and is it now hidden as an Event Log in the Advanced menu?

A. Basically our findings suggested it was stressing new people out, making them think something was wrong when it wasn't. For instance, quota exceeded on fast machines, or temporary errors that caused a backoff. A lot of the time just letting the client do its thing would eventually clear out the issue and continue processing. Messages are really only needed to diagnose problems.


We have added a new way of conveying info to users, which we call Notices.

Notices are intended for average, non-technical users. They are used for

a) situations that require the user's attention; e.g. BOINC can't do work because its disk quota is exhausted. Notices of this sort should be prescriptive; that is, they should tell the user what to do, in non-tech language.

b) events that are likely to be of interest to the user; e.g., a science news item from an attached project, a credit milestone, a post in a subscribed thread, a friend request, etc.

The goal of the Notices mechanism is to keep users informed, involved, and interested, even if they don't regularly visit project web sites or open the Manager.

Some aspects of Notices:

1) Notices are HTML; they can include pictures, hyperlinks, etc.
2) New notices are announced to users even if the BOINC manager is hidden.
On Windows there's a popup in the system tray; on Mac the icon bounces.
3) The stream of notices includes project-supplied RSS feeds, as well as messages generated by the BOINC client and project schedulers.

The Notices tab replaces the old Messages tab.

The contents of the Messages tab are now available in a separate "Event Log" window, which can be opened via the Advanced menu.

The Notices system is under development.

Please let us know if there are specific things that should or should not be displayed as Notices.

Eventually we'll have some web interfaces for controlling what project events are shown as Notices.


Now, neither of what you ask for is really a wish, so it's not really in its place in the Wishlist (lista dei desideri) thread. But I'll leave it here for now. Next time, just make your own thread.
9563) Message boards : GPUs : Overclocking a GPU (Message 36828)
Posted 12 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
...running climateprediction on a GPU.

I doubt that very much. Climate Prediction doesn't do any work yet on GPUs, as at this time it's still too costly and difficult to port the Fortran base-code to CUDA code. Nothing said about the code used being proprietary to the Met Office.

So... whatever you're using the GPU for, outside of CPDN, will an overclock speed it up? Think about why tasks are being crunched faster on a GPU, when compared to on a CPU. A CPU has one core, a GPU's core consists of many stream processors. All these processors do part of the task in parallel and that's what speeds up the calculations.

Does it then matter how fast these streaming processors are? Probably, at 1-10%, but not much (in my opinion). Not when you think that a GPU with 256 stream processors will hack tasks faster than a GPU with 80 stream processors.
9564) Message boards : Questions and problems : GPU stuck in 3D High performance mode. (Message 36827)
Posted 12 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
When you do run "based on preferences" check in Windows Task Manager whether or not boinctray.exe is running. This is the BOINC idle detection program for Windows Vista and Windows 7. It starts from the registry (at Windows bootup), but not when BOINC itself starts (an oversight still to be fixed by the developers).

Is boinctray.exe not running? Then navigate to your BOINC programs directory (default at C:\Program Files\BOINC\) and double click on boinctray.exe .. it won't show with a window or anything that it started, you will have to check this through Windows Task Manager.
9565) Message boards : BOINC client : Feature Request: Hierarchical project ordering (Message 36820)
Posted 11 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
1. It's been down for over 4 days now

Seti has been down for those last 4 days plus it will be down for the whole next weekend:

Mmmkay. Now the less good news. Looks like gowron is having some fundamental RAID issues. The issues has been whittled down to one RAID1 pair tagged as degraded that won't rebuild no matter what we do. THe guys at Overland have been super helpful - but this is actually an old SnapAppliance (not a box that Overland sells) and running a (very) old version of the OS. So it's looking like our best bet to move forward is to upgrade the OS on the thing. However to do so we need to copy the workunits on the system (about 2 terabyte's worth) elsewhere temporarily. How about... thumper! That copy process is happening now.

Meanwhile, we'll be off for the foreseeable future. Like at least until next week, I imagine. Bummer.
9566) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduling Question (Message 36807)
Posted 10 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That depends on the "additional work" value. If that's also 0.0, then you do get 1 task per CPU/core. But any value higher than 0.0 and those amounts go up.
9567) Message boards : Questions and problems : statistics reset every month, more or less, or at update (Message 36799)
Posted 10 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You can't. Those points showing in the statistics tab are made by your BOINC having contact with the project server(s). Each credit change sent in such a communication is a point on the graph.
BOINC doesn't remember any of the contact points, other than the last one (in the sched_reply*.xml files).

Default statistics graph is 30 days, as far as I know.
You can increase the amount of days by making a cc_config.xml file with the following entries:
<cc_config>
    <log_flags>
    </log_flags>
      <options>
        <save_stats_days>N</save_stats_days>
      </options>
</cc_config>

Where N is any numerical value from 0 - 9999.
9568) Message boards : Questions and problems : Scheduling Question (Message 36798)
Posted 10 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It will try to do that, but also do so for all other projects you've got work from. The added problem is, what if there's two projects with likewise deadlines that'll run next? When will they be able to get their work in by deadline?

And the million dollar question is, when are you going to be interfering, deciding for yourself that BOINC should have work from all projects, so you suspend all others to force PG getting a full cache. Then after you allow the rest of the projects to continue, you then find that PG is again being run solely on its own... and then you'll complain more. ;-)

It's best to leave things be. There will be a scheduling fix or X in 6.12, mostly towards the GPU.
9569) Message boards : Questions and problems : Developers requesting your help on BOINC issues... (Message 36795)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Personally. I'd drop the word cycle.

Yeah, it isn't in the original preference, but there I feel that "CPU time" doesn't bring across what we mean either. It is about throttling the CPU.

Or I'd change to x% of the CPU resource/capacity/capability.

Not resource as that could clash with the Resource Share, which is about everything, not just the CPU.

Open for other options, though. :)
9570) Message boards : Questions and problems : Downloading work from the server (Message 36792)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's very minimalistic an approach. Please see this thread for some additional info on what we'd like to get.
9571) Message boards : Questions and problems : Developers requesting your help on BOINC issues... (Message 36790)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For this first item, it's the difficulty that people have with the following preferences:
Suspend work if CPU usage is above 25% - 0 means no restriction. Enforced by version 6.10.30+
and
Use at most 100% of CPU time.
Can be used to reduce CPU heat.

Apparently there's folks out there who believe that the first preference is a throttle function, while with the second you set the amount of CPUs. Or something... ;-)

I've so far changed it to the less technophobic:
"Suspend all work when other programs use more than X% CPU cycles.
Stops project applications doing work when any other program outside of BOINC uses more than the amount of CPU set.
0 means no restriction. Requires BOINC 6.10.30 or above.
and
Throttle to use a maximum X% of CPU cycles.
Can be used to reduce CPU heat.


If you think you can do better, then please do so. The only restrictions are that we cannot be too technical and that it has to be translatable to other languages.
9572) Message boards : Questions and problems : Developers requesting your help on BOINC issues... (Message 36789)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You're always complaining that David only thinks for himself, that he doesn't allow for outsiders to request changes or point out glaring mistakes.
Here's your chance for ultimate glory: A challenge. Help out the BOINC developers with some things that they're not so much stuck with, but which require an external eye on things.

Help the developers out making Boinc that bit easier to use for others. Once every blue moon I'll put in a thing that the developers would like to have changed/renamed/taken apart & rebuild, but that we cannot get across to any layman as we're thinking too difficult about it. Or there's a technical challenge at stake.

This thread will hold the main problems. You can post in your own thread in this forum what you think about it. Or use the thread I made for this purpose. There is no time limit - unless otherwise stated in the post.

So go on then, make that difference. Or stop your complaining.
9573) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 36788)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.14 available for testing for all platforms.

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This release fixes a few bugs, with the major one of BOINC Manager crashing when executed by a user who did not have permission to look at the data directory.

Please keep up the testing effort. We are really close to the finish line.

Please report bugs to the list and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/


Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • MGR: Enable the volunteer configurable 'shutdown core client' feature on exit for Linux. It was orginally supposed to be enabled when the balloon features were enabled, but got lost in ifdef hell. (From "Lee")
  • MGR: Eliminate unnecessary #ifdef.
  • client/manager: show venue in project properties.
  • manager: msg tweak.
  • client: don't crash if omit cmdline port#
  • MGR: Fix a bug that is several years old, appears to have been introduced during the Unicode conversion phase for Windows. Passing a wide character string into an narrow character function causes a NULL reference exception.

9574) Message boards : Questions and problems : 3.2GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon, 16 GB DDR3, & ATI RADEON HD 5870 1GB, HOW CAN I MAKE THIS COMPUTER GIVE THE MOST TO BOINC? (Message 36787)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
these applications

Which applications are you talking about?
BOINC itself? It doesn't do any science. It's the managing program.
Science applications then? Which projects are you attached to?
Do they make use of your CPU or GPU, or both?

My second question is can this program even utilize the full capacity of my computer?

Normally, on most projects it'll use all 4 CPUs/cores and whatever amount of memory the applications take times 4. Meaning that a CPDN for instance can take up 4GB, when one of their models takes 1GB (time 4, one for each CPU core).

You don't really need to use full capacity either. Totally useless, as then you can't use half your computer anymore (slowdowns) and then you come complain that BOINC slows you down, and how terrible the program is, etc. etc.

And then we're not friends anymore. ;-)
Oh, it's a new mac pro btw.

Running what? OS X 10.6.6?
Then you're limited in the use of the GPU.. as in no project at all using an ATI GPU yet on Mac OS X, as far as I know. Perhaps that someone else knows more.
9575) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36785)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
He always was a bit of a finicky guy, that Klingon Chancellor. I thought Worf killed him? ;-)
9576) Message boards : Questions and problems : Terrible program (Message 36778)
Posted 8 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Trying my hand at writing an equally sucky report on your robots:

it's far easier for me to code robots

I can tell that you suck at it. How do I know that? I don't really. I don't know what kind of robots they are, I don't know what language they use, I don't know if you have released source code, I will not look into things like that. But I do definitely know that you suck at programming them and am here to tell you to do better! No, I refuse to say where, d'oh you must know that, for when I tell you that you suck at it you must immediately know what I mean.. don't you?

Go do some real work! You and all the equally bad robot/worm programmers that are out there! Get some education before you try to return at doing whatever it is you're doing now. You're being paid for this sloppy work? You ought to pay the people you work for, because that's how bad your work is!

...

Now then, how does that feel?

9577) Message boards : Questions and problems : Terrible program (Message 36776)
Posted 8 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You say you're doing code to make BOINC run properly.
I never said I was coding for BOINC; what I said was that it's far easier for me to code robots than to get BOINC running properly as an end user. I don't even have access to the source code or know what language was used to write BOINC's UI, so "doing code to make BOINC run properly" isn't even possible in the first place.

So in other words, we don't have to take your complaint seriously since you don't know what you're talking about anyway. Since, had you investigated before you yelled, you'd have known BOINC is open source software, available under the LGPL, its source code can be freely downloaded.

For the client and GUI, it's primarily C and C++.
Instructions on how to get the source code and what else you need is here.

...doesn't mean it's OK for BOINC/Berkeley to deploy unfinished software. I'll admit that part of this anger comes from the entire field of software developers and publishers regularly releasing flawed software. Just because everyone's doing it, though, doesn't give BOINC a free pass.

OK, then I ask it differently. What's so not finished about it? Where is the flaw? You already said you don't know what makes BOINC tick, so where do you come from when it comes to experience whether or not this software is 'unfinished'? Your experience at 'making BOINC run'? Or perhaps your inexperience at using forums as they're intended, as in ask when you do not know for sure how to make something run? No one is all-knowing.

when it works, it's truly great, but when it doesn't, it's a huge headache.

No examples?
No definitive proof?
No check between different versions of BOINC to see if you can reproduce this 'bug'?
No sample log with correct debug flags?
Just your word for it and we have to believe that... why again?

I'd have expected in the least an example of what you saw, but even that's too difficult for you to write about?

I'm pointing these things out in the hope that someone who's familiar with the UI code can bump it up from Alpha quality to RC standards.

You're not pointing anything out. Want to become an alpha tester, a true one? Then follow the instructions. It is really that simple. But just sitting there on post 3, on the side line --claiming the software is broken, claiming you know all or just better than the programmers themselves-- when you don't even know the programming language of the software, is laughable at best.

So... go on, off you go at learning about the software and how to properly report flaws, bugs or broken software. Or do you have any more unsubstantiated claims?
9578) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Limited User Account (Message 36767)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
To do what? Share pictures and downloaded pr0n? ;-)
Or just to remotely control BOINC? I don't think that for the latter you need any special account as the controlling is done through a TCP port (31416, remember?).

The default directory where BOINC installs its data directory to is also not anyone's user account, but the All Users directory, as in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC

No need to define who can enter that directory or not, as far as I know "Everyone" can go in there.
9579) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Limited User Account (Message 36765)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah well, I don't think that's it. Something, somewhere, is broken. I checked in my boinc_users group and none of my accounts are in it, yet they can all run and control BOINC, due to their names being on the boinc_admins list.

But if you want to try. Open a command line window and type in it:
net localgroup boinc_users Geek2 /add, where Geek2 is the name you want to add. Hit Enter at the end of the line.
9580) Message boards : Questions and problems : Terrible program (Message 36764)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Just claiming it's unfinished without showing the developers here (all 3 of whom are paid, by the way) any of your completed and finished and rounded at the corners programs is very unfriendly, to say it nicely.

You say you're doing code to make BOINC run properly. Properly according to whom? And how? What did you do (differently)? Explain away, there's room here for whole stories in these poorly laid out forums.

Every once in a while we get a yokel in who says he can do better. Instead of him/her giving plain evidence to that and getting their names included in the Volunteer developers list, they mouth off that they know how to do better and then disappear into the setting sun once asked for proof of their claims.

Yelling is easy.
Claiming you know better, is easier still.
Are you going to prove it?
9581) Message boards : BOINC client : Observation: 6.12.13 nicely round-robin's 4 "ATI" tasks (Message 36757)
Posted 6 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Read through the 6.11 and above change log thread for all changes to the scheduler and other bug fixes in BOINC 6.12

Yes, fast GPU switches have been fixed.
9582) Message boards : BOINC Manager : replaced motherboard but got a second account with same name (Message 36756)
Posted 6 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per BAM FAQ:
BAM! doesn't find my existing accounts at the projects, while I'm sure they're there.

BAM! can only find accounts when the email address, the username and the password of the project are the same as those of BAM!. Check these at the project, and change it when needed.

Do know that BAM isn't a Berkeley development. You will get answers way quicker when you ask them at the BOINCStats/BAM forums.
9583) Message boards : Questions and problems : Updating BOINC on Ubuntu (Message 36755)
Posted 6 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What BOINC version are you trying to update from and to which next version?
Downloaded from the package manager or from the Berkeley web site?
9584) Message boards : Questions and problems : Requesting tasks for GPU? (Message 36750)
Posted 5 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is it possible to stop the manager requesting GPU tasks?

As long as you can keep yourself from clicking Update on a project, these requests will eventually back-off to once every 24 hours. Click Update on the project however and that back-off timer resets and starts from 1 minute.
9585) Message boards : Questions and problems : Question on boinc-manager starting boinc-client (Message 36746)
Posted 5 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version is this, please?
9586) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC causing nvlddmkm.sys BSOD issues (Message 36734)
Posted 4 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
One additional thing I found on Nvidia forums:

"If you have multiple 'GPU tools' like EVGA Precision and MSI Afterburner installed, consider that it is only advisable to have one tool such as this at any one time."

Do read the rest of that initial post as well. It was last updated January 3rd 2011.
9587) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 36733)
Posted 4 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Science-Fiction (great, spelling is bad these days.)
9588) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC causing nvlddmkm.sys BSOD issues (Message 36732)
Posted 4 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Both Seti and Einstein have CUDA tasks, which can run on your Nvidia GPU. One shouldn't run any screen saver next to CUDA tasks, as the GPU is quite busy calculating all the calculations in the CUDA tasks. It can only do one thing at a time, else you can get errors in tasks.

Now then, with that out of the way:
- Do you allow the GPU to be used by BOINC on those projects?
- What is the exact error message on the blue screen of death?
- Which drivers do you have installed?
- Are these from Windows, Nvidia or from EVGA?
9589) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Limited User Account (Message 36728)
Posted 4 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Still firewall. Instead of disabling the firewall (which doesn't do much of anything under Windows 7 afaik), why not specifically allow BOINC Manager on TCP port 31416?

Start->Control Panel->System and Security->Windows Firewall->Allowed Programs
Check all BOINC Manager entries and all BOINC Client/boinc.exe entries you see there. Allow them for Home/Work (Private).

Can you also check something?
Open a command line window (cmd on the Run command), then type in that window:
net localgroup boinc_users {press Enter}


Are your allowed user names in this group?
9590) Message boards : Questions and problems : Disable Load on Startup on multiple user accounts? (Message 36725)
Posted 4 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No easy way to do so. Either check it in the installer (3rd screen in, click Advanced, then take the check off of "Allow all users to control BOINC"), or in each user's BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Options->uncheck "Run manager at login?"->OK, or you have to do it in the registry.

The above method is for BOINC versions up to 6.12, from 6.12 onwards it'll be BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Display and network options->uncheck "Run manager at login?"->OK.

When editing the registry, navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup\ and change ENABLEUSEBYALLUSERS from whatever value it is now to nothing. Mind, there is a "boincmgr.exe /a /s" in a Run or RunOnce registry key, but removing that one will probably cause problems.

Now, do know that unless you installed BOINC as a service, BOINC will not run under other user-accounts when you remove the BOINC Manager start-up option. This starting of BOINC Manager runs BOINC. No manager startup, no BOINC. Unless you start it by batch-file, shortcut or script.
9591) Message boards : Projects : Projects excluding GPU's (Message 36719)
Posted 3 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If that's what you believe, that's pathetic too. But we all know you know exactly what I meant.

Yeah, I see you're warming to the surroundings already. Welcome to the shark-tank. But fine, think what you think. Free speech and all that crap.

No, it's not an NVidia problem. My system has 256mb and SETI was working just fine.

With which drivers? I ask this since the science applications at Seti haven't changed in years. So if things worked before and now they don't, then something on your system changed. Most probably the videocard drivers.

Then this is a communication problem on the part of the Einstein team. Instead of alienating volunteers, the message about video memory requirements should explain the reason for the GPU task rejection and give a URL for that, instead of expecting people to figure out by sheer guessing that they should go check the web site.

Which is why we're waiting for BOINC 6.12 to be released, which will do these things through the Notification tab. But aside from that, the information is out there, 3 mouse clicks away in the forums. And if you don't know, you can ask. Or use the project's search.
9592) Message boards : Projects : Projects excluding GPU's (Message 36718)
Posted 3 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, that's a Dell proprietary chip. In other words, if you were to ask Nvidia if you could upgrade it with one of their newer products, you'd get an answer to check with Dell as they are the owners of that GPU. Nvidia make their own mobile products.
9593) Message boards : Projects : Projects excluding GPU's (Message 36715)
Posted 3 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Second, I have a Dell Precision M6300 and I can't upgrade my video.

So just because you cannot upgrade your (proprietary Dell) videocard, project developers are pathetic when it comes to programming for these lower videocards?

- Seti needs only 254MB on the card, 384MB when you update to video drivers over 190.38 and the CUDA 2.3 Software Development Kit (SDK). The side effect of CUDA 2.3 drivers and above is that they see less memory on the videocard than there really is. This is an Nvidia problem, not a BOINC or project problem.

- Einstein has the continuing problem that the FFT algorithm does not fit in memory under 256MB. They've only temporarily set the requirement to 300MB, until they know how much video memory their latest BRP3 application is actually taking up.

- Milkyway has always been an ATI project first, anything else later. They require double precision in their calculations, something that your Dell proprietary Nvidia chip cannot do. So you don't even have to fret over this project's requirements.

Is there a way to determine which projects will not allow me to participate with my GPU so that I can exclude them entirely from my computer time?

Normally BOINC will tell you as soon as you request CUDA work from the project. The project will give an answer back whether or not your GPU is OK.
Other than that, check their forums. Einstein has a sticky thread in their Cruncher's Corner forum that shows the latest requirements.

Milkyway has a GPU requirements thread in its forums.

Seti has a GPU forum where you can ask questions. Be polite, the people answering you are usually volunteers just like you are.
9594) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc does now not work with Smoothwall Gaurdian Installed...... (Message 36710)
Posted 3 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Many thanks for the help but I think you are incorrect saying its nothing to do with firewall or PC...

As near as I can figure, it's the proxy server that does this. It caches pages and contacts, and as such it will use the last message it got from the project to tell you it can't make contact whether that's the correct message for this moment or not. Normally anything saying "Message from server" means that you got through to the project but that the project has the problem with your request, it will tell you what kind of problem after the message from server. Ask the people maintaining the proxy server to refresh the Seti page on that server.

Now, the Seti project did have some contact problems the past couple of days, I'm not sure if they have fixed those as I no longer voluntarily get work from them.
9595) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 36706)
Posted 2 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.13 available for testing for all platforms

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This build fixes a permission problem on WinXP and removes the 'Change URL' notice and just leaves it to being an event log message.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha and report bugs here.

As an aside, the sooner we can wrap-up the 6.12 release the sooner we can start testing some really cool new technology for BOINC. Lately we have been working on detecting VirtualBox within BOINC so that it can be used to process new types of tasks. Imagine being able to process live LHC data using the same version of Linux the scientists use in-house even if your computer is a Windows machine or a Mac machine.

Please report your 6.12 results as quick as you can.

Thanks in advance.


---- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: accept <options/> and <log_flags/> in cc_config.xml
  • client: reset log flags (as well as options) when rereading cc_config.xml
  • Mac: update Mac_SA_Insecure.sh script to not require BOIN Client in BOINC Data folder.
  • Add new Simple GUI.
  • client: fix bug in setting GPU peak flops.
  • MGR: Fix SimplePrefs default skin selection display; use standard native buttons in Simple Prefs, Simple Notices.
  • MGR: Use our control IDs instead of wxID_HELP for Help buttons for Mac accessibility.
  • MGR: Disable tooltips on Mac while new simple GUI menus are popped up because they cover menus.
  • Remove the word "accessible" in the Advanced View help item.
  • MGR: Code cleanup.
  • MGR: New Simple GUI optimization.
  • Fix compile break on Linux.
  • Mac: Localize items in Mac's BOINC menu.
  • MGR: Use branded short application name in Help tooltips instead of always using "BOINC".
  • Mac: Eliminate unused source files Localization.cpp, .h from Mac project.
  • MGR: Save window dimensions and position on SIZE and MOVE events.
  • WINSETUP: Avoid a 0xc0000135 error by giving the boinc_master and boinc_project membership in the 'Users' group. Dynamic linking to nvcuda.dll was failing because the project applications were being denied access to DLLs in the system directory.
  • client: make "wrong URL" message not be a notice.

9596) Message boards : BOINC client : Seti@Home Beta keeps on getting new GPU tasks (Message 36701)
Posted 2 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You sure you set the correct project to No New Tasks? Please double check.

Else, as we do ask in the thread you posted in before, leave behind a log.

REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

So in this case, post a log where you set <work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug
Not a log of 1300 lines, just a capture of one such work fetch from Seti Beta.
9597) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36690)
Posted 1 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti Wednesday morning shut-down

Matt Lebofsky wrote:
Oh yeah, heads up: There's going to be a lab-wide network outage out of our control Wednesday morning (Pacific time) around 5:30am until 7am. This may not affect the Hurricane traffic, so you might not notice except for not being able to reach this web site, and event then we might be down much less than 90 minutes.
9598) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc vs Vmware Player wierdness (Message 36689)
Posted 1 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which sub-project or projects do you run for WCG?
Which other projects do you have work from?

Have you tried running BOINC on 2 or 3 cores, leaving one core completely free for your Vmware to do its work? Or is your Vmware player a multi-threaded application, one that wants to run on all cores it detects?

Do you have a CUDA/CAL/OpenCL capable videocard in there and is that one being used?
9599) Message boards : Questions and problems : Help! Boinc Program Can't Locate Web Pages (Message 36688)
Posted 1 Feb 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
You have to set up your OS' default browser. See this FAQ for pointers. If your OS is not Linux, please say which OS you do use.
9600) Message boards : Questions and problems : wish: Install to allow rpc option (remote control) (Message 36663)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ok, then that doesn't work and you may want to ask the developers to make it work. Starting the client from the registry is never going to be done, though if you want to do it for yourself, then that's fine. Just saying it isn't going to be a public option because of permission problems and security trouble, amongst other things.
9601) Message boards : Questions and problems : 64 bit version sometimes goes into (x86) (Message 36662)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
That's usually because that version of Linux doesn't do well with 32bit applications out of the box. So then you install the 32bit compatibility libraries and all will be fine. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#64_Bit_Considerations for more information.
9602) Message boards : Questions and problems : 64 bit version sometimes goes into (x86) (Message 36659)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I assume there is something left over in "Program Data" or the registry that wants subsequent installs to go into X86 instead of the normal 64 bit location.

Yes, your previous 32bit BOINC installation did this. It installs by default to the 32bit Program Files directory (\Program Files (x86)\). Both the \Program Files\ and Program Files (x86) directories on your Windows drive (drive where Windows is installed upon) are made by your Windows. It will park 32bit programs into the 32bit directory, 64bit in the 64bit directory.

As far as I know, it won't allow 32bit programs to be run from the 64bit directory, at least, not on my Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit. I have a 32bit BOINC Manager I built myself and I had to start that one from a separate directory I made in the \Program Files (x86)\ directory, as it refused to start from the \Program Files\BOINC\ directory. I assumed the same thing would be true for the 32bit directory and installing 64bit programs there, as we have seen people with problems with their 64bit BOINC running from that directory.

Anyway, when you install BOINC at least once, it will write to the registry where you install it to. When you next uninstall BOINC, the uninstaller will only remove the programs and library files from the BOINC directory, it won't remove any of the accounts BOINC made for itself, the directories, or the registry entries, to make it easier for yourself on the next installation of a BOINC.

The MSI file included in the BOINC installer is a 32bit database, that contains the actual BOINC program files and libraries. It doesn't need to know what the bitness of its contents is.

And that's then where you come in: Read what the installer does. And if you feel it does things "wrong", make it right in the Advanced option of the installer. Simple com hop-hop, no? :-)

It would be nice if the install for windows and linux checked the architechure to a 32 cannot go on a 64 and at least warn the user.

32bit can be run perfectly well on 64bit. It's 64bit that cannot run or install on 32bit, and you will get a warning and a stopped installer.
9603) Message boards : Questions and problems : wish: Install to allow rpc option (remote control) (Message 36658)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
But here's the thing: you never ever have to run boinc.exe!
So it's unintuitive to run a boinc.exe with commands from the registry, especially since you run boincmgr.exe already. And we both know what happens when you run BOINC twice. In normal circumstances it'll only run once.

So what you would want then is for the attribute commands to be enabled through BOINC Manager. Now, I don't know if you ever tried to run boincmgr.exe from a commandline with the following command: boincmgr -h, but those options shown there are the active ones. You may want to try any of them behind the boincmgr.exe line in the registry.

The /b option (boincargs)allows you to give direct commands from the client. So yours would be "boincmgr"="C:\Program Files\BOINC\boincmgr.exe\" /a /s /b --allow_remote_gui_rpc"
9604) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36652)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Edit: Never mind. This is a problem with the DNS servers at my ISP.

If you are in The Netherlands and do have the problem that some sites don't load, try to set up your internet connection so it uses the Google DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4).

I got a reply from my ISP, in Dutch:
Naast Ziggo hebben een aantal andere Internet Providers (waaronder UPC) ook last van dit probleem. Het probleem zorgt ervoor dat sommige sites in de Verenigde Staten inderdaad erg langzaam laden of zelfs helemaal niet.

Naar verwachting lost dit probleem zich vanzelf op en het advies is dan ook naar verloop van tijd weer terug te schakelen op de automatische toewijzing van uw DNS servers (die van Google zelf zijn ook prima).
9605) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc on Ubuntu 11.04 Won't work (Message 36644)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Fri 28 Jan 2011 07:37:54 AM MST Starting BOINC client version 6.10.58 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

Fri 28 Jan 2011 07:42:43 AM MST World Community Grid [error] App version has unsupported platform i686-pc-Linux-gnu
Fri 28 Jan 2011 07:42:43 AM MST World Community Grid [error] No application found for task: i686-pc-linux-gnu 614 ; discarding

This is really something for the World Community Grid forums, but alas. WCG doesn't have a 64bit science application for any of its sub-projects, as that's what it's asking for. They only have 32bit applications and not necessarily for all sub-projects either. But you best ask that at their own forums, or wait for Sekerob to pass by here (We never know when to expect him ;-)).

In the mean time, start by installing the 32bit compatibility libraries for your Linux version. See here for more info on that.
If you are running 64 bit Linux and 64 bit BOINC then you might have a problem with projects that issue 32 bit applications rather than 64 bit applications. To allow 32 bit applications to run on 64 bit Linux you must install 32 bit versions of certain shared libraries. The names of the packages containing the 32 bit libraries is different for each distro.
9606) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory leakage with version 6.10.58 (Message 36636)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
My pc virtual memory file 6.4 gigs.

On Windows XP? The maximum page file you can set there on any one disk is 4096MB, as that's the maximum memory address you can fill under any 32bit operating system. Even if you add more, it isn't used. Windows cannot use it, it won't be able to address any memory address, real or virtual over 0xFFFFFFFF --even with PAE or Physical Address Extension enabled.

You need 4-Gigabyte Tuning, as else your maximum virtual memory use is 2GB for apps and 2GB for the system.
You also need to be starting with the PAE extension as else you can only use a maximum of 2 to 3.5GB of RAM.
9607) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Limited User Account (Message 36634)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
In my opinion, (in the compatibility mode) boinc_users group should be a list of those users, who area allowed to run BOINC Manager

I gotta wonder.. since this is exactly what they can do. They can run BOINC Manager. But who runs the client at that time? Apparently no account, and as such these people aren't allowed to run BOINC.

Should we bring this up in the mailing list(s) to talk about?

I think so, as this isn't the last time someone has stumbled over this feature. And always on the Home versions of Windows (!!)

Ah, you want me to do that... well, that has to wait as an electrician is busy here dismantling my present electricity meter, before putting in a new one (digital, double tariff). I expect to need to power down everything any moment. ;-)

.. Ah, never mind, I emailed it to BOINC Alpha.
9608) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Limited User Account (Message 36621)
Posted 27 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I added myself to the boinc_admins group and this time it worked.

Yeah, that was my solution. But that defies having a Windows limited user account. Only Windows Administrator accounts (and maybe Power Users) should be added to the boinc_admins account. In my humble opinion, at least.

So, still waiting for the developer answer.
9609) Message boards : Questions and problems : need help on Running AQUA@Home on Ubantu 10.04 , 32 Bit (Message 36616)
Posted 27 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now that the project is back up and their forums available again, you might better ask them yourself.
9610) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows 7 Limited User Account (Message 36615)
Posted 27 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know how to solve this one, but that one defies the use of your limited user account. So I forwarded your plea to one of the developers. Wait until I hear back from him, please.
9611) Message boards : Questions and problems : bizarre stdoutgui.txt messages (v6.10.58) (Message 36614)
Posted 27 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
4:20:31 AM: Error: can't open file 'E:\BOINC\\RebootPending.txt' (error 2: the system cannot find the file specified.)

As indicated, the file doesn't exist. However, what does this mean? The aforementioned occurs from either every day to once per week or so.

It should occur every time you start BOINC (after an exit). As it will happen at the start of BOINC. It's the reboot-check for clean installations and upgrade from BOINC 5 and prior installations.

If the file exists, the system needs to be rebooted first (to allow for the limited accounts BOINC makes to be activated by Windows). As long as the file doesn't exist, ignore its non-existence and write that line into the stdoutgui.txt file.

Most of the lines written into this file can easily be ignored. As long as your BOINC Manager works, as long as it doesn't crash any time you look at it... there's plenty more obscure things being written into other log files for BOINC. They aren't of interest to you or me, unless you're a (partial) developer of (any part) of the program, who finds pleasure in debugging the messages.
9612) Message boards : Questions and problems : Running BOINC as a service on WinXP (Message 36602)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The only thing I can come up with is that you're blocked by a firewall. What kind of firewall are you using?
9613) Message boards : GPUs : Detecting GPU usage. (Message 36600)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are there any boinc projects in which I could use these cards (I got them free and that is why I did not get better ones-I will be getting better ones now that I know)?

You can use them in all BOINC projects that have a nice screen saver or graphics, as they are only graphics processing units, not with the added CAL or OpenCL capabilities.

In fact, I have been trying to determine why some computers are able to do so many more computations than others and now know that this is one of the largest factors.
Are there any other major factors of which I should be aware?
thanks again

CUDA and OpenCL are those factors. Read all about it in my CUDA & CAL FAQ. OpenCL has its own FAQ.
9614) Message boards : GPUs : Detecting GPU usage. (Message 36590)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
ATI radeon 1500's. Supposed to be supported.

Not by ATI CAL (Requires your GPU to be a HD2xxx, 3xxx or 4xxx) or OpenCL.

On top of that, for the 'normal' GPU operations, Milkyway requires that your GPU supports Double Precision math. Your 1500 doesn't.

I was running newest boinc version

Which is? 6.10.58, 6.12.11, 6.12.12?
Please, when someone asks you what version you run, be so kind and answer the question. There is no 'latest version' as there are code changes going on each and every day, with Alpha versions coming out at a regular interval. So it's difficult to work with 'the latest' as an answer, as it may not be the latest and we don't know if you downloaded the alpha version or not.
These things got a version number, you can check that in BOINC Manager->Help->About.

I believe they are functioning, because the first Milkyway project to download after installation was a 23 hour project and the xp computer did it in 3 hours flat

If your GPU was used, it would run in even less time. The initial 23 hours on work is an estimate. The BOINC on your system is new, it doesn't know yet how long work is going to take. So the project sends out work with a big estimate in run time, to make sure your computer is able to run this work at leisure. BOINC will learn over time how long these tasks are, and change its estimate accordingly.

but I cannot find anywhere where it 'says' that these are gpu tasks.

When a task runs on the GPU, this shows in BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tasks. It'll then show in the Status column as "0.xx CPU, 1.00 GPU".
9615) Message boards : GPUs : Detecting GPU usage. (Message 36587)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Operating system?
What model ATI card?
Drivers version?
BOINC version?
Did you check the Milkyway forums for help?
Does Milkyway have work at this time?
9616) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36580)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Einstein went into its 24 hour database maintenance outage today.

And has since returned.
9617) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 36578)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.12 released for testing for Windows, Macintosh and Linux

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is a new build to test. I consider this release a release candidate. If no show-stoppers are discovered then this build will be the one released to the public. Please be sure to keep an eye on it and report any problems. We want to have as many result results as possible in as many different computer configurations as possible.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha and report bugs to the alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • Mac: update release script to remove install of separate BOINC skin.
  • client: eliminate unnecessary CPU reschedules.

    Currently we do a reschedule any time a job checkpoints, in case there's a job that has finished a time slice but hasn't checkpointed yet.
    Instead: flag such jobs, and trigger a reschedule on checkpoint only for flagged jobs.

  • client: fix instability in job scheduling that happens if a job's estimated completion time in RR sim is close to its deadline. It can alternate between making and missing deadline, causing the scheduler to alternate rapidly between jobs.

    Solution: if RR sim has marked a job as deadline miss any time in the last (CPU scheduling period), treat it as a deadline miss.
  • client: if we're using an account manager, and we're attached to a project manually (not via acct mgr) and the acct mgr tells us to detach from it, don't.
  • MGR: Fix advanced view button is Simple GUI. (Button Text is Verdana 8pt. in MS Paint)

9618) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc does now not work with Smoothwall Gaurdian Installed...... (Message 36572)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Message from server: Project has no tasks available"

This means you got through. Message from server. That's the Seti server answering your plea.

Just as the next one:
SETI@home Message from server: Error in request message: fgets() failed

SETI@home Message from server.

"Project has no tasks available" should be clear: The project had no work available at the time your BOINC made contact and asked for work. "Tasks" == work units. Check at the project, in this case Seti@Home, for more information (News on the home page, their Technical News, their forums if need be).

"Error in request message: fgets() failed" does seem to flag a failure of the sched_request file getting in correctly at the other end. This may be a simple corruption on the hard drive (check that), or a communications problem.

Now, I do see one thing in your log.
By default BOINC assumes to use HTTP 1.1 for communications, even in proxies. You can force BOINC to use HTTP 1.0 only, through use of a core client configuration file (cc_config.xml) with the following entries:

<cc_config>
<options>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
</options>
</cc_config>


Make it with s similar simple text editor(e.g. Notepad in Windows), saving the files as all files, ANSI encoding, called cc_config.xml (make sure it has the .XML extension, not .TXT as well!). Save it in your BOINC DATA directory.

If you already have a cc_config.xml file, you can add the part of <options> in.
Exit BOINC & restart it to make it read the configuration file. (you can re-read it through the GUI, or command line as well).
9619) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36567)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Latest news wrote:
Aqua remains offline - perhaps a full up drive replacement plus RAID rebuild or restore is going on there.

They're on it. Front page now says "The AQUA server is being reconfigured. Please wait."
9620) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36566)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Posts about project outages will continue to appear here.

May we please ask that if you post, to do so without adding your signature? With thanks.
9621) Message boards : Questions and problems : (reached daily quota of 1 results) (Message 36564)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Check the machine in question at the projects. It'll show on the taskIDs what's wrong. BOINC won't allow for run-away PCs which download and trash lots of work. By trashing we then mean get it, do essentially nothing with it (as whatever is wrong, your work will err immediately) and return it.

For each task that errs, your quota (amount of tasks allowed per CPU per 24 hours) will go down by one. Some of the projects you allowed have quota of thousands, which shows that there's really something very wrong with this PC.

You can only correct it by correcting whatever is making the work err. A reboot is required? A driver that failed? Broken hardware? We don't know, not without a link to any of the hostIDs where it'll show on the taskIDs in the stderr.txt what error message BOINC or the science applications sent back.

After you corrected whatever is making it err, a quotum will go up quickly, usually by doubling the amount: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 etc. on each task that's sent back correctly.
9622) Message boards : Questions and problems : Core 2 Duo T9300 beats Core i7 M-620? (Message 36559)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Don't pin yourself on benchmarks. They don't show the actual reality of what your CPUs are capable of. You can even influence the outcome of the benchmarks, by loading (specific) programs in memory.

I've always seen on all Windows version that when I load any version of Winamp and then allow BOINC to do benchmarks, that the integer values are off by 500 - 1,500 MIPs, while the FPs are off by ~200 MIPs as opposed to when running no Winamp.

Even running 10 benchmarks in a row will give 10 different values.

And when it comes to comparing tasks, then I really have to point you back to the project forums of the project you're trying to compare. No task is exactly alike, and if you're trying to compare Seti tasks here, then you have to take into account that different angle rates give different run times on the same CPUs. If you're trying to compare Einstein tasks, same thing...
9623) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc sometimes don't detect user activity (Message 36558)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Due to changed security measures in Windows Vista and Windows 7, the idle detection for BOINC in these OSes is done by a small program called boinctray.exe

This program is only started from the registry, not by BOINC when it starts up. As such, it'll only start after a system restart. When you upgrade BOINC versions, all program files are removed from memory and deleted from the hard drive, before their newer versions are stored on the hard drive and then only boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe will be started. As you can see, this will then stop idle detection on these Windows versions, as boinctray.exe hasn't been restarted.

At a next system restart, all that is fixed again.

So at all times, check through Windows task manager that boinctray.exe is running. You may also make sure that it's allowed to interact with boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe, by allowing it through your firewall software (port 31416, as all the rest of BOINC).

If it hasn't started, you can start it by hand. It lives in the BOINC programs directory (default on Windows 7 - 64bit at C:\Program Files\BOINC\). Just double click on it once. There will be no visual confirmation that it runs (no GUI, nor an opening of a command line window); you just have to check if it's there in Windows task manager.
9624) Message boards : Questions and problems : ATI GPU + Nvidia GPU at the same time. Boinc says the GPU is missing. (Message 36547)
Posted 23 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, and? Your question being what, exactly?
Or are you just stating the fact that your ATI GPU is no longer being seen by BOINC and that you know you need to fiddle around with the drivers, to see which GPU you should install first and which one last, for everything to work?

As that's what you'll have to do. Your enabling of the 8200 (which according to Nvidia's pages isn't a CUDA capable GPU, so I'm not sure what you expect from it) probably screwed up the drivers balance on your system and you'll just have to bring it back. Nothing any of us can do a thing about, but for cross our fingers and hope you can do it.

Of course, if you were looking for help but just had to post about this in an older thread, without reading any of the posts in that thread to see if any of them held your solution (like Claggy's post for instance), then uh... well, good luck.
9625) Message boards : Projects : AndrOINC Aims & BOINC Status (Message 36545)
Posted 23 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use common sense: If you do not trust a project or do not trust what it is doing, then do not run it. Tell your friends not to run it. Bad publicity is a better way of stopping projects like this, than Berkeley saying what their software can and cannot be used for.

And there's the rap, Berkeley cannot dictate what their software is to be used for, as else they'll break the LGPL they run under. Then they're no longer open source software.

With that said, I doubt that this project will make the 'official' BOINC projects list. Just as all of the "we do it for money" projects aren't showing up, nor are the "you pay us" projects.
9626) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36540)
Posted 23 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti advanced notice:
Jeff Cobb, wrote:
The system that removes heavy radar contamination from our raw data is not operating. We are working to understand and debug the problem. This contamination must be removed before distributing the data, thus we are about to run out of workunits to send.
9627) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cuda Problems.. (Message 36532)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, if it's really a second card... not just a second GPU on the same card... did you install the drivers for it? In Windows Vista and 7 you will have to install the drivers for each piece of hardware. So that means, that when you have 4 videocards in your system that you install the videocard drivers 4 times.

Does Windows (dxdiag for instance) see two cards?
What if you try a combination of... add a second monitor and extend the desktop to the second monitor? For some people they only have to add a second monitor or VGA dummy and it works, for others it's a whole hassle.

That you had it working before... well, all BOINC versions required that you either have the second monitor, the VGA dummy or the extending of desktop PLUS the <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus> option.

So perhaps it's something in your cc_config.xml
What did you add into it? How did you save the file? (All files, ANSI encoding?)
Did you let BOINC read the config file or did you exit BOINC fully and restart it?
9628) Message boards : News : Sony to bundle BOINC with new VAIO computers (Message 36531)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
For people worried about the software not uninstalling everything.

Sony did include everything needed to remove all of the files and registry entries left behind after uninstalling the agent. However, they didn't include the logic to remove the users and groups created during the install.

From this Spring onwards, users and groups will be removed when a user decides not to participate in World Community Grid. Sony adds this logic to their installer.
9629) Message boards : The Lounge : Sony Computers to install BOINC (WCG) on new computers (Message 36530)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sony will do better from now on.

They did include everything needed to remove all of the files and registry entries left behind after uninstalling the agent. However, they didn't include the logic to remove the users and groups created during the install.

From this Spring onwards, users and groups will be removed when a user decides not to participate in World Community Grid. Sony adds this logic to their installer.
9630) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC & watching movie = PC crash (Message 36529)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'm asking one of the developers to come take a look and give me a hint as I am quickly running out of ideas. I agree with you that your common cause seems to be BOINC.

As to why? No clue.
What you could do is run Dependency Walker on all affected software and see what they share. Then post about that.
9631) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cuda Problems.. (Message 36525)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then it's not really two cards, but a dual GPU. Two GPUs on one card.
You still need to use a second monitor or a dummy VGA plug for that, this one attached to the second VGA outlet on the card.
9632) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC & watching movie = PC crash (Message 36523)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please post the error log of one of the crashes. Is it really a crash (with stop error and blue screen of death), or a mere hang of the system?

What (exact) error messages do you get?
9633) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cuda Problems.. (Message 36521)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See my FAQ, more specifically the part "OK, so now I disabled SLI and BOINC only recognizes one video card. What is up with that then?"
9634) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36520)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
At about the same time I got that message from Kevin as well. Glad he posted about it on their web site as well. :)
9635) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cuda Problems.. (Message 36517)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
By default, it's one application per CPU and GPU. Any second helpings are probably set through an anonymous platform information file (app_info.xml).

Since BOINC doesn't do any of the work, as that's what the project science applications are doing, you'll have to ask these questions at the project forums. Or at least tell people here which project(s) you run, and on which project you saw this behaviour.
9636) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory leakage with version 6.10.58 (Message 36516)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
As to using windows XP,funny you should mention that as I have been trying to upgrade to vista for 5 or 6 times and I keep getting a "windows could not update the computer's boot configuration" error message during the upgrade process which stops at that point. I hope to upgrade to Windows 7 after I find a solution to my upgrade problem.

Ever seen and tried the solutions from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931697 ??
9637) Message boards : BOINC Manager : My Wish List - part 3. (Message 36511)
Posted 22 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now also available in the BOINC FAQs: A list of past requests and what answer the developers gave them.
9638) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC & watching movie = PC crash (Message 36503)
Posted 21 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Use the <exclusive_gpu_app> tags in a cc_config.xml file to exclude the VLC and Windows Media player from reactivating BOINC. See this FAQ for more information (part of Ways around it?)

If you already have a cc_config.xml file, you can append the below. Else open Notepad and copy/paste the below in there. Save as All Files, with ANSI encoding, as cc_config.xml (check for the _ underscore and the .xml extension) in your BOINC Data directory. For Windows Vista, the default BOINC Data directory lives at C:\Programdata\BOINC\

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<exclusive_gpu_app>vlc.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>mplayer2.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>wmplayer.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>mpc.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>
</cc_config>


Save the file, exit BOINC fully (check the option "stop running science applications when exiting manager" and click OK) and restart it (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager).

Now each time you start using your Windows media player or the VLC player, your GPU app will stay out of memory until these players have vacated physical memory. The CPU part of BOINC will still continue to run. This is because the players aren't really seen as 'activity'. You're not tapping your keyboard or moving your mouse during this time. So for all indications, you're idle.

If this will still give problems, please consider cleaning out your system first. Dust build-up can kill a system quickly.

And if that doesn't fix it either, you can add the <exclusive_app> tags for the same applications. That way all of BOINC will pause when these players are in memory.

That's then this cc_config.xml:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<exclusive_gpu_app>vlc.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>mplayer2.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>wmplayer.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>mpc.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
<exclusive_app>vlc.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>mplayer2.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>wmplayer.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>mpc.exe</exclusive_app>
</options>
</cc_config>
9639) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory leakage with version 6.10.58 (Message 36502)
Posted 21 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects are you attached to and from which do you have work?
Which projects run when the memory leaking happens?
When you exit BOINC, do you also exit the science applications? Or do you only exit BOINC Manager, but the rest stays running? (Check in Windows task manager->Processes tab)

Running an i7 on Windows XP is almost blasphemy. Why be so skint, why not upgrade to Windows 7 - 64bit? Is this XP then in the least fully updated to the last monthly updates?
9640) Message boards : GPUs : Nvidia memory detection problem (Message 36491)
Posted 20 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
It appears that the client is detecting the video card as a 256mb card when it is a 512mb card. Any ideas why?

Is it a real physical card with that much memory on it, or is it an (embedded) on the motherboard chip, with 256MB RAM immediately on the chip and you're able to increase the memory from your computer's physical memory?

The thing here is this, BOINC checks how much physical memory the GPU has. Any memory added in other ways, isn't counted. On some (HP, Dell, Compaq) systems, videocards come with 128-256MB memory by themselves, while the rest is added through the PC's physical RAM. BOINC will on these systems only see the original 128-256MB.
9641) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't seem to connect to BOINC servers... (Message 36490)
Posted 20 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti is a project, with its own home page. Going there, you'll see the news that:

Seti home page wrote:
Upload Server Issues

Our upload server is having disk problems. We converted a recently donated server (synergy) to temporarily handle uploads, but you may still have trouble connecting due to heavy demand.

As such. You'll have to wait, just as we all wait. In the mean time, if your computer is no longer processing work, consider running a secondary or tertiary project.
9642) Message boards : BOINC client : Trouble connecting after setting up a VPN for work (Message 36485)
Posted 19 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.10.5.

Hope you meant 6.10.58? Else, please update.

According to the developers, this should be easily fixed by exiting & restarting BOINC. If not, please tell.
9643) Message boards : GPUs : Issues with an ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT (Message 36474)
Posted 19 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this post by Skip Da Shu (#34659).

Not sure if a dual-monitor setup can give problems or not. Usually it's problems with permission under Linux why the GPU isn't detected. Drivers living in one sandbox, the user & BOINC in another...
9644) Message boards : GPUs : Gentoo and HD4650 (Message 36473)
Posted 19 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not specific, but something to keep an eye on: Skip's post #34659.
9645) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 36469)
Posted 18 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.11 released for testing for all platforms

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This release is an interim release. It is not a release candidate for public use, we are releasing this build to check if David's fixes for client scheduling fixed the issues reported last week and to track down the crash issue reported in the manager. This build has a few issues with the Simple GUI buttons. We should have the Simple GUI buttons fixed in the next week.

For those of you using linux you can find the builds with symbols included here:

Linux x86:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.12.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu_debug.sh
Linux x64:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.12.11_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu_debug.sh

Please report bugs here and test results to
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha/.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: use std::deque instead of std::vector for RR sim's pending-job lists. Erasing head of vector is slow.
  • lib: allow GPU peak FLOPS to be specified in XML (for simulator).
  • client: old work fetch policy: projects may need enough jobs for all device instances, not just resource_share*ninst. E.g. a project that has only CPU jobs in a CPU/GPU client.
  • client: with REC scheduling, don't ask for work for secondary resources if project has negative priority.
  • client: in RR sim, make sure we saturate devices if possible. Otherwise we may report a shortfall incorrectly.
  • client: set PROJECT::last_upload_start when a job completes, NOT when its first upload starts. This prevents a scheduler RPC from happening between the two. This was a bug in [trac]changeset:22841[/trac].
  • client: tweak [trac]changeset:22842[/trac] so that system clock changes of < 60 seconds are ignored.
  • MGR: Embed the BOINC skin in the executable using XPM files.
  • MGR: Disable the background repaint events for the SGUI Messages and SGUI Preferences dialog. Changing the font color wasn't as easy as I had hoped and the black background for the skin doesn't do any good when the text itself is black as well.
  • scheduler/client/API: pass user ID and team ID from scheduler to client, and from client to app (host ID is already passed). E@h asked for this, not sure why.
  • make the Manager build on FC11.
  • client: fix job scheduling bug.

    Scenario: we have 2 CPUs and 1GB RAM.
    Project A has jobs that use 1GB.
    Project B has small-mem jobs.

    Currently, we ignore RAM usage in building the runnable job list, so we might pick 2 jobs from project A. enforce_schedule() (which checks RAM usage) will run just one of them, and the other CPU will be idle.

    Solution: keep track of RAM usage while building the runnable job list.
  • client: code cleanup in CPU scheduling; eliminate global variable.

9646) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can I run the WUs more than 16? (Message 36462)
Posted 17 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC version are you using explicitly? "Above v6.1" isn't giving much of a clue. After you set the preferences override file, did you restart BOINC, or make it re-read the prefs file?

BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Read local prefs file.
Or using a command line, navigate to where BOINC stores its files, then type boinccmd --read_global_prefs_override

Can you use the GUI (BOINC Manager)? If so, can you set the preferences through Advanced->Preferences (or when using a BOINC 6.12 version it's in Tools->Computing preferences)?
9647) Message boards : Questions and problems : Computation error (Message 36457)
Posted 16 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which forum did you search through? This one?
As you'd have to search through the Project forum.

BOINC is only the managing program, it doesn't do any calculations.
That's a task of the project science application. And as such, any errors your computer encounters in that project need to be checked at the project web-site.

When you check the outcome of the tasks on the project web site and you see they are "computation error", click the Task ID link. That'll show you the stderr.txt output which usually has a lot more information. That's also helpful for the people helping you, as else trying to fix your computation error is quite difficult. It could be anything really, from the air your computer uses to cool itself, to the ground it stands on.
9648) Message boards : Web interfaces : Machine Profiles (Message 36449)
Posted 15 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Then it's possibly easier to control them through an Account Manager and in that case, BAM! offers what you look for. BAM! is a 3rd party endeavor. The BOINC developers aren't responsible for changes at BAM!
9649) Message boards : Questions and problems : Memory (Message 36442)
Posted 14 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
and set the preferences

set which preferences? Those online on a project, or the local preferences?
The local preferences override the web-based preferences.

So just try this:
BOINC Manager->Advanced->Preferences->Clear.

If that fixes it, it was a wrong preference setting in the local preferences.
If this still leaves it waiting for memory, do try a reboot of the system first. Rebooting will usually fix whatever is ailing sick computers as it resets all kinds of hardware.

And if it didn't fix things, could you please post your BOINC start-up messages so we have a lot more information to deal with? See Requesting Help for more information.
9650) Message boards : Server programs : Compiling crypt_prog (Message 36440)
Posted 14 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I didn't know which wiki to use

The one you're using now has 'Unofficial Wiki' plastered all over it. ;-)

The official wiki, which did come later is situated at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain. This one is updated by the developers, so this one is best used in situations like this.

If in doubt, you can ask here, or better yet, on the email lists to the Gods, that we speak of in this thread. Again, due to their locality (mostly West-coast USA, UTC -8/-9 hours), getting an answer from them can take a while.
9651) Message boards : Server programs : Compiling crypt_prog (Message 36438)
Posted 14 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better follow the instructions in the official Wiki. We don't know how old the instructions are in the unofficial wiki and when they've been updated. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/MakeProject for more info.

I've forwarded it to a developer, but won't expect a reaction for another 4 or more hours, due to his locality.
9652) Message boards : Questions and problems : When is BOINC coming to PS3? (Message 36431)
Posted 13 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Okay, I asked David about this, here's his answer.
David Anderson wrote:
A few years ago, engineers from Sony ported BOINC and S@h to PS3. However, that project was scrapped by the Sony lawyers, who don't like LGPL. Nothing since then.

PS3 is no longer that interested from a performance point of view; modern GPUs are 10-20x faster than the cell processor.
9653) Message boards : Server programs : Problem with "Validator" creating (Message 36430)
Posted 13 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
No need for sarcasm. The people who usually answer these kinds of questions have not passed by the forums in the past couple of days. That can happen, they can be occupied elsewhere.

And as such, we have the warning thread stickied at the top of the forums, if you don't get an answer within 24 hours, email the lists. In this case the BOINC Developer list.
9654) Message boards : Server programs : Compiling crypt_prog (Message 36427)
Posted 13 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which BOINC source code are you using and which Linux distro?
What command are you using to make the keys with crypt_prog?

I ask so I can tell the developer that I'll try to have pass by this way.

By the way, to use crypt_prog, see here. No, it doesn't say how to compile it or what to do when it won't compile, just what its command uses are.
Also check out this page for the correct use overall of the cryptology program.
9655) Message boards : Questions and problems : When is BOINC coming to PS3? (Message 36424)
Posted 13 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
On a more legal note, I would have thought that we should at
least be given an choice of which projects we want to crunch
on the system. They could give an option on which one we would
like to install or offer them in the PlayStation Network for
download?

That's assuming all projects have a PS3 application. They don't. The only one I know of is the 3rd party apps for Seti, by people like Dotsch. And then that's the Linux PS3 apps (and client), which are now rendered useless due to Linux no longer being able to run on the PS3.

To be able to run a PS3 app, projects will have to port their science application to the PS3 OS code. Not easy, in all cases it'll take up manpower and money, two things projects hate to spend on things that may no longer work at the end of the week, because the hardware owner changed something.

Sony's pre-installing a WCG BOINC on all new desktop Vaio's . I haven't heard of any other negotiations for other platforms. Of course, if I would have, I may not be at liberty to tell you. ;-)
9656) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects Detach (Message 36409)
Posted 12 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you don't, you need to switch the BOINC manager to the advanced view.

There's an "Add project" button right there in the Simple View, which switches you to the same wizard as the Advanced view option will do. No need to tell people to switch to Advanced View, if only to make you feel more secure.

9657) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc runs 32 bit client application instead of 64 bit in Linux (Message 36374)
Posted 8 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Perhaps to do with running a BOINC 6 client, that he gets the (newer) 6.xx applications. The 5.xx versions were for BOINC 5. It's the project that decides what to send to the client. Innobits could post the contents of his sched_reply_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml file after the first time it's requested work from Seti. Then at the second request, post the renewed contents of sched_reply*.xml

Be careful with things like the <authenticator>, take those out before posting. Those are your business only, just as your PIN is.

You can also go ask at the Seti Linux/Unix forums. I'll monitor what's being said there then.

Although, in all, it doesn't really matter much as neither application uses more memory than ~32MB. In other words, there's no merit running a 64bit application here, as Seti doesn't address more than 4GB of memory or disk space.
9658) Message boards : Questions and problems : linux boinc not connecting to localhost (Message 36371)
Posted 8 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
What was the last thing you installed? Yes, the ATI driver. So how about uninstalling the ATI driver and seeing if that fixes the problem? For then you have found your culprit... How to fix that is another thing, I am not going into that one.

But please people, if you install something and your BOINC goes belly up after that, isn't the correct thing to do to uninstall what you installed latest, instead of trying to fix BOINC? It's not all of a sudden BOINC that changed, since it worked perfectly before you changed something about the system!!
9659) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 6.10.58 Problem (Message 36369)
Posted 8 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers came back to me and said that they aren't going to do anything about it. This one is up to the Linux packet managers, for them to update the wxWidgets libs to include the fix. That'll immediately fix it for each BOINC version that has this problem.
9660) Message boards : Questions and problems : RAID fails while running BOINC (Message 36363)
Posted 7 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, with more information I meant all information about the RAID. Since that's what you have the problem with...

So is it a software RAID, hardware RAID?
Dedicated card or on the motherboard?
If card, what brand and model?
-- Did you check for updated BIOS for the card and/or firmware?
If motherboard, what brand and model?
-- Did you check for updated BIOS for the motherboard and other firmware for the onboard RAID?
How many hard drives in your RAID01?
What size?
For the aficionados, what brand?

I see you run both Seti and Milkyway.
Does it happen when you only run Seti?
Does it happen when you only run Milkyway?

BOINC will write a lot to some of its files.
Can you exclude the BOINC Data directory (default at C:\Programdata\BOINC in Windows 7) from being on the RAID and install it on a separate drive outside the RAID, if only to check that that fixes the problem? To do so, you will have to uninstall BOINC, move the remaining Data directory to its new position, then install BOINC and on the 3rd screen in the installer, click Advanced, to then on the next screen change the path for the BOINC Data directory to that of where you moved it to.
9661) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 36354)
Posted 6 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.10 released for testing for all platforms

Howdy Folks,

I hope everyone had a great holiday season. We have a new version to test out of the BOINC software. This release should fix some scheduler and work fetch issues. Fixes for the simple GUI will appear in the next build.

Please reports bugs here and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.

----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • manager: fix compile warnings; from Steffen Möller.
  • Mac Installer: Fix failure to auto-launch on OS 10.4.x (released in Mac 6.12.9).
  • Fix bugs in Rappture wrapper.
  • Add README file and templates for Rappture wrapper.
  • VBOX: Implement stubs for starting/stopping/suspending/resuming VMs. TODO: create/delete.
  • client: fix scheduling bug when a job has fraction_done = 1 but it's not finished yet. ACTIVE_TASK::est_dur() was returning 0 when it should have returned elapsed_time.
  • client: fix bug where "reread config file" didn't update the max log file sizes.
  • client: fix scheduling problem:

    Old: enforce_schedule() won't run an active job if its working set size exceeds remaining available RAM.
    Problem: there may be a lot of similar jobs. The client starts one, finds that its working set is too large, starts the second, and so on.
    Solution: if J is an unstarted job, and there are started jobs using the same app version, consider J's working set size to be the largest of the working sets of those jobs.

  • client: fix an apparent bug that could oversaturate the CPUs with single-thread jobs.
  • client: work fetch: if the chosen project is currently uploading a file, and an upload started in the last 5 min, don't fetch work from it. The goal is to merge the 2 scheduler RPCs (fetch work, report completed taskS) into a single RPC. Note: this may result in idleness in some cases.
  • client: if detect that system clock has been set backwards (either at startup or during execution) reset a number of "wait until X" variables; otherwise we might wait years to contact a project, restart a file xfer, etc.
    Notes:

    -- there is no problem setting clocks forward; things just happen prematurely
    -- some variables (e.g. task deadlines) are not reset, because it's not clear what to set them to.

  • client: improve text of "message from server" notices.
  • manager: change "add account manager" to "use account manager". "Add" is confusing, because you can't add multiple account managers like you add projects.
  • client: recognize a few new ATI GPU models from Robert Kreß.
  • client: tweak to ATI CPU recognition from [P3D] Crashtest.
  • client: initial, partial checkin for hysteresis work-fetch.
  • client: enabled REC-based scheduling with a cmdline option rather than a compile flag.
  • client: more hysteresis work fetch policy stuff.
  • unix build: remove hardwired -ldl.
  • client: show a given system notice at most once a week.


9662) Message boards : Questions and problems : RAID fails while running BOINC (Message 36352)
Posted 6 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
More information, please.
9663) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 36345)
Posted 5 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Unless the version is available from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php, it may well be an internal test-build. Else, wait for the developer for the Mac to call this one, please.
9664) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC Manager 6.10.58 Problem (Message 36338)
Posted 4 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
wxWidgets fix forwarded to development.
9665) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36331)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Collatz is down. Just as I was trying to figure out what the maximum RAC is on my ATI HD4850. ;)
9666) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problems with cuda and projects.... (Message 36329)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
My second problem is about Einstein@home and Seti@home... as I said earlier I was crunching Seti and Einstein for about 2 years on XP and everything was OK... now (after 6 months of inactivity) when I installed Ubuntu 32 bit I got a shortage on Seti WU's (I got about 2-3 the first time and about 2-4 more a week after that) but paradoxically after a re-install of Ubuntu (64bit this time) the card changed... I get all the Seti WU's I want but Einstein get's only 2 a day (in Messages it says "Einstein@home Server reached max. daily quota (2) per day" or something like that... again sorry but I'm not able to copy the original message right now) which didn't happen with while on 32-bit.

Einstein is a 32bit project only, meaning that 32bit applications will be sent to 32bit and 64bit hosts. However, whereas this works out of the box with Windows, for most Linux distros you will have to install 32bit compatibility library files. For doing so on Ubuntu, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Ubuntu

As for the other problems, as Claggy said, we'll require links to your hosts on the projects, and links to posts you made about it on the forums there.

You did post about it in their project forums first, didn't you? As this isn't exactly a BOINC problem. As you say, BOINC finds your GPU, so that works as advertised. That projects either do not have applications for it, or when they do you're running into all kinds of errors with them, then you'll have to flag this at the project. It's their application, they'll know what you're doing wrong.
9667) Message boards : BOINC Manager : My Wish List - part 3. (Message 36328)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
I like that one. Forwarded to development. Asked for the same on the Statistics tab as well.
9668) Message boards : The Lounge : Hi From The UK (alias a black hole) (Message 36327)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
Shocking news. You're on the BOINC forums, not on the Seti forums.

BOINC is the management program.
Seti is one of a lot of possible projects that one can run through BOINC. Most projects have their own forums.
9669) Message boards : The Lounge : User Average (Message 36326)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://www.boinc-wiki.info/RAC
9670) Message boards : News : BOINC Project Server Upgraded (Message 36325)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Jord
Post:
would this be why my pc showed zero activity from Dec 2 - Dec 10 ??

What, that we had a new BOINC server on September 22nd would stop your PC from doing anything in December? Of course not. Besides, the BOINC server runs the BOINC domain, nothing else.

On top of that, BOINC itself doesn't do any science.
The projects you're attached to send you science applications that do the work, as long as work is given out by those same projects. If the project isn't giving out any work, perhaps because it's down due to severe server problems --like the Seti project has been for the past 2 months, you're probably confusing them with BOINC-- then your computer won't be showing much activity either. It'll sit by idly.

Easily solved though if you add one or two extra projects.
9671) Message boards : Questions and problems : exclusive_gpu_app perhaps not working? (Message 36302)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's good that Ageless demands absolute proof for problems to be solved.
I'm sorry if I caused undue concern with this section of Boinc operation.

{Smiles}

It's just that we're a forefront against a developer email box overflow of things not needing to be sent to them. But don't let that scare you. Next time you will find a bug. :)
9672) Message boards : Questions and problems : exclusive_gpu_app perhaps not working? (Message 36297)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Opened BOINC Manager + Windows Task Manager Processes tab.
Got work from Collatz.
Made a screenshot of it running.
Set <exclusive_gpu_app>steam.exe</exclusive_gpu_app> in cc_config.xml.

Exited and restarted BOINC.
Opened BOINC Manager + Windows Task Manager Processes tab.
Started Steam.
Made a screenshot of it paused.

(Screenshots at 1920x1080 pixels)

As you can see, CPU applications continue running.
Collatz isn't running at all.

Works as advertised for me.
9673) Message boards : Projects : Any projects for mac w/ ATI? (Message 36296)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
but it doesn't do me much good without my ATI GPU being recognized by BOINC

You have this as a first problem then. What's your original OS?
Did you install all the correct (ATI APP) drivers or install the ATI SDK?

The biggest problem which all projects have is that Nvidia may want to lend a hand at porting over their science applications to run on CUDA; getting ATI/AMD to do the same is nearly impossible. They say, "you want it ported? Here's all our minimalistic documentation on it, here are the programs, the white papers. Now leave us alone, we're too busy with ourselves. Do not ask for help, we'll ignore you all the way."

So for projects to have to make an ATI app, they have to figure this out all for themselves, for all three main platforms. This costs time and money, two things they do not necessarily want to spend on trying to figure this one out.

For some projects 3rd party programmers are busy (mostly in their own time, without help from the project even, without being paid!!) trying to figure it all out. Since Windows is notoriously the easiest to program for, they use this mainly as their test-bed. Linux and OS X to follow later on.

Not only is it a year old, created in 2008, modified in Jan of 2010

I know my FAQ is outdated, but even if I add to it today, it'll be outdated tomorrow. So it's being rewritten, in another place. Eventually, I hope it'll find its way out there. I'd like to see anyone write things for his favorite program every single day, without letup. I just need my time away from everything at times. There are 10+ other people with access to the FAQs and I seem to be the only one writing and updating them... oh well.
9674) Message boards : Projects : Any projects for mac w/ ATI? (Message 36292)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=471
9675) Message boards : Questions and problems : exclusive_gpu_app perhaps not working? (Message 36291)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
It appears that the cpu apps stop working in conjunction with the gpu apps. The GPU apps are stopped and completely removed from memory. (not listed in Task Manager) The cpu apps are still listed in task manager but are using 00 cpu cycles. Bringing up Boinc manager shows the gpu tasks are "waiting to run" and the cpu tasks are "running" and accumilating time but progress is not being made on the tasks.

I don't quite follow.
Just to make sure we're on one line here, you know that there are no GPU apps to be seen in Task Manager? That all apps run on the CPU, be it CPU apps or GPU apps cos no OS out there knows how to run applications straight on anything else but the CPU? Just checking.

Now then, are you only using <exclusive_gpu_apps> or also <exclusive_apps> ?

I'll do some testing today, between last minute chores before new year's. Will let you know how I fare later on. If I can find a reliable project I can use my ATI on... all seem to be down. ;)

I would not recommend using this option at this time with this version 6.12.8

Since it's a test version, best report what you see to the developers.
9676) Message boards : Questions and problems : Application Failure (Message 36289)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Can you please post a lot more information about your system and what you have done already besides post on this forum?

Like:
BOINC version.
Operating system (which Windows?)
What changed on your system lately? Updates to firewall, AV, other anti-malware software?
Did you run your AV, other anti-malware software?
Did you run a chkdsk on the drive?

By the way, whenever a program doesn't start up, or is refused to be started by the OS, it's hardly the program's fault, but more the OS. You'd then check the error message you get in a search engine. In this case you'd search for 0xc000007b.
9677) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC cant connect to localhost after Einstien@home added (Message 36277)
Posted 30 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adding a project does not change whether BOINC Manager can make contact with the underlying client, or not.

Check your system, what did update around that time? Firewall, anti-virus? Anything else that may be blocking BOINC Manager? Anything installed that may be taking over BOINC Manager's communication port (TCP 31416)?
9678) Message boards : Projects : Distributed server for Greens party website (Message 36275)
Posted 30 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC isn't an operating system or a way to "add their distinction to your own" (grin). So no, you cannot use it so volunteer's computers take on the role of web-servers / other hardworking hardware for your organization.

It's software that can be used for creating a volunteer computing project, a Virtual Campus Supercomputing Center or for desktop Grid computing. More information, besides in the links already given, can be found here.
9679) Message boards : Questions and problems : Multi user Win 7 Home install problem (Message 36267)
Posted 30 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Did you ever reboot after installing BOINC?
9680) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project for older CPU's running Linux - PPC G3, G4 (Message 36266)
Posted 30 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Dotsch has PowerPC Linux apps for Seti Enhanced and Astropulse.
9681) Message boards : Questions and problems : exclusive_gpu_app perhaps not working? (Message 36265)
Posted 30 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, it's checked immediately upon reading the cc_config.xml file and for evermore thereafter; as soon as program "however.exe" comes into Windows memory, the suspend mode will be activated. However, this isn't that easy on a GPU ran app, especially not if this task hasn't checkpointed yet. It'll run to the next checkpoint, before BOINC tries to break in.

Make sure that "however.exe" is the program that stays in Windows memory. Some programs use a launcher program that's called "however.exe", but their actual program runs with "stayhere.exe".
9682) Message boards : BOINC Manager : If you're running an alpha client (Message 36238)
Posted 28 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
You found some anomaly or suspected bug in the latest BOINC Development version and you want to report it to the BOINC Alpha email list, how are you going to tackle that correctly without annoying the developers?

Keep an eye out on earlier messages on the alpha email list. It is possible that your problem was reported before.
To do so, check through its archives after you registered your account and before you send your bug in. These archives cannot be looked into without an activated account.

When you're reasonably sure you're the first one seeing these strange things, make preparations for a good log. The BOINC software is capable of lots of debug logging, as long as you enable this. The main ones for logging problems with the client are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<sched_op_debug>: problems involving scheduler operations and other low level information.
<task_debug>: problems showing low-level details of process start/end (status codes, PIDs etc.), and when applications checkpoint.

Enabling these flags will run your cache full quite quickly, which is why you probably want to run with a temporarily increased log capacity. So in such a case, you run with a cc_config.xml file from your BOINC Data directory, with the following entries:

<cc_config>
    <log_flags>
        <task_debug>1</task_debug>
        <cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
        <sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
        <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
        <work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
        <rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
    </log_flags>
    <options>
        <max_stdout_file_size>181192000</max_stdout_file_size>
    </options>
</cc_config>

The <max_stdout_file_size> will increase the stdoutdae.txt file to ~180 megabytes. Enough for you to capture at least 20 hours worth of data in.
Capture at least an hour, preferably slightly more. When sending a log in to the alpha email list, place part of your log in the post, zip or otherwise compress the rest and wait for a developer (David Anderson, Rom Walton, Charlie Fenton, John MacLeod) to react and send your full compressed log to this person. Make sure that when you send the log, that you do not use the "Answer all" option. Just answer the developer, do not include the list or other people. You can continue posting to the list afterwards.


References:
Hard Bugs for more information on reporting hard bugs.
Alpha Instructions for more information about being an alpha tester.
Client Configuration Flags for more information on which flag does what?
9683) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc tray access not working (Message 36232)
Posted 27 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I don't use Windows Firewall.

Heh, the only way I know of, of not using Windows firewall is by not using Windows. Even with it turned off, especially in Vista and above, it will be on.
As for Zone Alarm finding suspicious things in Windows programs, that's usually just things that Microsoft added, like their update-checking software and the parts talking home (like DirectX). Again, the only way you can disable those is by not using Windows.

Boinc loads in both program files and program files (x86). Is this normal? or just a 64 bit thing?

It won't. If you have a BOINC directory in both C:\Program Files\ and C:\Program Files (x86)\, it should be an empty directory.

But it begs a question: What directory do you start BOINC Manager from? As it has to start from the same directory that Boinc.exe starts and runs from. And then the next question is what BOINC version you installed? Did you install a 32bit version or a 64bit version? Where did you install it to?

The BOINC installer isn't that intelligent that it knows that the contents of the package it is installing is 32bit or 64bit. It does read from the registry where you installed BOINC to the last time around, then when it finds a previous version there, it will uninstall it and put the contents of the MSI file it carries in that position.

And that's the thing. If you used a 64bit version of BOINC before, it will have been installed into C:\Program Files\BOINC\ by default. However, the C:\Program Files\ directory in a 64bit version of Windows is reserved by Windows for 64bit programs only.

If you then downloaded and installed a 32bit version of BOINC, its installer will read the registry and see that you used C:\Program Files\ before, so it'll just dumbly uninstall (delete) the previous BOINC files there, and then dump the ones it carries in the MSI file in this directory. However, a 32bit program cannot be run from the 64bit C:\Program Files\ directory. Windows won't allow it. These programs will require to be installed in the C:\Program Files (x86)\ directory. (You can't run 64bit programs from this directory either).
9684) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc tray access not working (Message 36225)
Posted 27 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Boinc screen saver wants to act as server for internet.

Apropos of nothing, are you sure of this? Is that boinc.scr or boincscr.exe?
I ask as the only thing that needs to act as a server to the internet is Boinc.exe, no other part of BOINC needs internet access.

Deleting registry entries does not put work at risk, as long as you remember where the BOINC Data directory is and point the BOINC installer to that directory at the next installation. Losing the BOINC Data directory and everything in it means you'll be losing work (done).

Default Vista/7 BOINC Data directory is C:\ProgramData\BOINC\

You shouldn't need to set the port number when using Windows firewall, but other (3rd party, commercial) firewalls may require this setting. So what are you using, Windows firewall or Zone Alarm, or both?
9685) Message boards : Projects : Distributed server for Greens party website (Message 36220)
Posted 27 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
What do you want to use it for, do you have any science to be done? As that's not completely clear from your questions. Sorry to be asking questions immediately and not answering yours, but in my opinion, it depends on the answer to my questions.
9686) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinc tray access not working (Message 36218)
Posted 27 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, Boinctray.exe is the BOINC idle detection program. It only runs in the background, checking for mouse movements and keyboard taps. It's mainly there for Windows Vista and Windows 7 systems plus their server versions, since these use a different security system. For Windows 2000, XP and their server versions, running either Boinc.exe or Boincmgr.exe (or both) will suffice in having BOINC detect if your computer is idle or not. It's built into Boinc.exe and Boincmgr.exe

Boinctray.exe does not make the icon appear in the Windows system tray. That's done by running BOINC Manager.

Now then, with that out of the way, most problems where the client runs (Boinc.exe) but the Manager doesn't (Boincmgr.exe) make contact with the running client, is because something changed in the firewall software. You'll have to re-allow both BOINC and BOINC Manager through your firewall software, allowing them to make contact with each other, talk on TCP port 31416.
9687) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screen saver lockup (Message 36217)
Posted 27 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check what the contents are of stderrscr.txt and stdoutscr.txt
You can find these files in your BOINC Data directory.

P.S: Any reason why you haven't fully updated Windows XP? It can be that you're missing (part of) a driver that's included in Service Pack 3 or later.
9688) Message boards : Questions and problems : linux: problem installing 6.12.8 (Message 36216)
Posted 27 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
According to one of the developers, BOINC uses whichever glibc version is used in the latest Ubuntu LTS build.
9689) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 36211)
Posted 26 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Looks like the whole of the Climate Prediction project is down, on all servers that we can reach. Or can't reach at this time. ;-)
9690) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects Detach (Message 36210)
Posted 25 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Are you also using an account manager such as BAM! or GridRepublic? For if you are, you will have to attach to your projects through the account manager, not through BOINC.
9691) Message boards : Questions and problems : linux: problem installing 6.12.8 (Message 36206)
Posted 24 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Better ask Dotsch first, since it's his product with small footprint Linux distribution.
9692) Message boards : Questions and problems : http error 417 (Message 36204)
Posted 24 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
23. 12. 2010 21:04:30 Using proxy info from GUI
23. 12. 2010 21:04:30 Not using a proxy

Checking for the wonky setting above...
Open BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced menu->Options.
When you do not use a proxy, both the HTTP Proxy and Socks Proxy tabs should have no information in them and they shouldn't have a check-mark to activate them next to their respective "Connect via xx proxy" option.

Proxy settings can also be set with starting Boinc.exe through the command line. Check that when you start BOINC, how you do that and with what command line entries?

Proxy settings can also be set through the core client configuration file (the infamous cc_config.xml file). Please be so kind to tell what you have set in there?
9693) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC almost always says "No tasks running" (Message 36203)
Posted 24 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not a clue. More information needed.
For details on what we need to be able to help you, see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5925
9694) Message boards : Questions and problems : http error 417 (Message 36197)
Posted 23 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Created your sick cc_config.xml in BOINC directory.

If you mean in the BOINC programs directory, then that is the wrong place.
It'll have to reside in the BOINC Data directory, in your case in C:\Programdata\BOINC\

What did you put in the cc_config.xml file and why is it sick?

And then...
23. 12. 2010 21:04:30 Using proxy info from GUI
23. 12. 2010 21:04:30 Not using a proxy

These two contradict each other. Are you using a proxy on that system or not?

An error 417 isn't really for BOINC or its developers to fix. It's a standard HTTP error, which happens between your computer and the project server. It can occur due to whatever manner you connect to the internet, but also because your ISP decided to use HTTP 1.0, instead of the newer HTTP 1.1 protocol. In this case you can force BOINC to use the older protocol. With a flag in the cc_config.xml file.
9695) Message boards : Questions and problems : Only World Community Grid can connect to Server (Message 36193)
Posted 23 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you can do is try using HTTP 1.0
In the cc_config.xml file you have, add the options part as shown below:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<http_1_0>1</http_1_0>
</options>
</cc_config>


Exit BOINC & restart it. Then try to make another connection.
This forces BOINC to use HTTP 1.0 connections, instead of HTTP 1.1
9696) Message boards : Questions and problems : Only World Community Grid can connect to Server (Message 36191)
Posted 23 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
"Failure when receiving data from the peer" and "Failed sending data to the peer" are HTTP handling errors when you haven't allowed BOINC through your firewall or proxy server. Make sure that you allow Boinc.exe to connect to the internet on both TCP port 443 and port 80. Port 443 is apparently enabled, since you can connect to WCG, but you have shielded port 80 used by the majority of other projects.

By the way, the LHC project has very little work these days. Months can go by without any. Just so you know.
9697) Message boards : Questions and problems : worldcommunitygrid (Message 36189)
Posted 23 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
World Community Grid is a conglomeration of projects, under one name. It isn't an account manager such as BAM! or GridRepublic.

So BOINC works as it's supposed to: When you want to add World Community Grid, you add it as a project, not as an account manager.
9698) Message boards : Questions and problems : Setting variable queue sizes for different projects (Message 36181)
Posted 22 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there a more elegant way to do this in a manner that does not require manual intervention?

No, it's how we all do it.

By the way, if you do want to run development versions of BOINC, make sure to update to the latest available, when available. We're at 6.12.8 (6.12.9 for Mac) since the 2nd of December. This to make sure that if you do find some weird bug, that it isn't one that was fixed already in a version after yours.
9699) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trojan found in Boinc Data (Message 36176)
Posted 21 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I will be interested to see how these tasks and their files are treated by the AVs of other Seti members who've downloaded the same task type.

Seti is down at the moment due to big maintenance (moving of database files to the new server).

Yet before they went down, 3 different people had started 3 different threads already complaining how their Trend Micro would all of a sudden make a fuss of Seti's app, it being purportedly 'infected' with a Trojan horse virus.

When your AV will Monday say there's nothing to worry about, then get an update in between Monday and Tuesday, to go Tuesday say that Seti's app is infected with a Whatdowehavehere virus, then it's 99% sure that it's your freshly updated AV scanner that's doing it and seeing it wrong.

This isn't the first time that we have seen on any project that a freshly updated AV scanner went nuts about project applications. Then at the next update of their Av scanner, things would go back to normal. The user though is usually in complete panic and blaming projects and program makers for adding things, over absolutely completely nothing.
9700) Message boards : Questions and problems : Trojan found in Boinc Data (Message 36173)
Posted 21 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
This is what's called in the trade a "false positive". Something in your antivirus scanner's scanning ability changed by which it sees things that aren't there. Easily tested by going to http://www.virustotal.com and inputting the setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe into the scanner there. Then the file is scanned by 30+ AV scanners. And only if most all say there's something wrong, there will be something wrong.

If something is wrong, it's 99.99% of the time an infection that happened on your system. Projects mainly make their science applications on Linux computers and distribute them from there. This means that the chance they are infected with whatever is minimal at best, as there's not many virus writers who write virii for this platform.
9701) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Cannot connect to BAM! on one system anymore (Message 36148)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
The error was similar enough, always the signing key. But generally, any problems with the account manager (AM) are best first asked at the account manager forums. The people there know a lot more about the workings of both the AM in combination with the BOINC Manager than most here (including me, sorry to say).
9702) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 36147)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Now, hold on. It's "Word link", meaning one word. It isn't "Words Link". Before you know it, you end up with things like "superior temporal gyrus" and "transcortical sensory aphasia" and then you don't know which part to take anymore to answer to. ;-)

(No, I am not a moderator in this thread. Unless a spammer comes along. Just saying I am not making any (new) rules, but at least disputing the lack of the rule here. :-D)
9703) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Please Remember Window Information Between Sessions (Message 36146)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
With 6.12.8 it will remember screen position and approximate size it's in, just not if it was maximized or not. BOINC Manager never starts up maximized as then it could take up focus, placing it over other programs you want to track (upon Windows start up, for instance).

I don't think it works with dual- or multi-monitors, as that's dependent on which videocard does the drawing of the monitors, which is primary, which has focus etc. Most all programs start on the primary monitor only, you'll always have to move them about to other monitors if you want them to live there.
9704) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Bug: 64bit Installer Installing To x86 Folder (Message 36145)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
No, just the ones on this list: http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_gpus.html
9705) Message boards : BOINC Manager : new event log (Message 36144)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not my decision, and as far as I understand from the developers they won't change it any time soon.
9706) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Cannot connect to BAM! on one system anymore (Message 36135)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
See http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=5912
9707) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 36131)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
cerebral
9708) Message boards : BOINC client : How to start contributing as a programmer (Message 36127)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
And please see http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/DevProjects for a lot more information and where what help is really needed.
9709) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc doesn't switch between tasks (Message 36122)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Two separate problems, you'd be better off posting both problems in their separate threads.

Your first one:
- Make sure you run at "Based of preferences" (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Activity menu)
- Update to 6.10.58 if you can. These updates do have a lot of bug-fixes in them.
- Check all your preferences, on line and local, for what setting you have for "On multiprocessors use at most 100% of the processors". Ignore the option to set processors by number, that's for older (pre 6) BOINC versions only and won't work on the present range. You should run at 100% processors.
- Check that you have work enough in cache. If only one task is there, that'll account for your problem then. BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tasks tab (if you can use the GUI), else from a terminal window type boinccmd --get_results and hit Enter.

Your second one:
- Check that your network settings are based on preferences (BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Activity menu->Network activity settings) or use boinccmd --set_network_mode mode_duration, where mode_duration can be always, auto or never.
- Make sure that the server didn't have earlier problems. Some projects have middle-of-the-night maintenance during which you won't be able to upload. BOINC will automatically put itself in a state of backing off until it can reach the server.
- Check the messages (BOINC manager->Messages (tab) and scroll back up to see what may have been happening around the uploading. You can filter for messages from the one project only.
9710) Message boards : Questions and problems : High Priority = Wrong Priority (Message 36121)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
PS I haven't refused to provide anything, I was avoiding it because a) it shouldn't be necessary (also the pic I provided illustrates my point perfectly) and b) it is a PITA. However seeing as you walked out of the thread in a big hissy fit not to return it would be pointless to get any debugging data.

I have requested the debug data 3 times, all the 3 times you parried with saying it wasn't necessary in your opinion, or not until after BOINC had made the changes you found necessary.

A PITA or not, it is the only way in which you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your BOINC isn't doing things according to how it should be doing it, your opinion and screen shots don't do those. It's not so much for me that the logs are for but for the developers. You want them to change BOINC, to fix possible bugs, right? Then you'll have to come with proof they can read.

Screen shots aren't proof.
They don't show over the duration of time what your system was doing. They're a testimony of one point in time only, not showing what happened before, not showing what happened since, not showing what might be going to happen next.

Now, I'm giving you one more chance to get the data. And don't just run for 10 minutes with the debug flags, that's not going to help much. You will need a 24 hours log to show everything in complete order.

Your stdoutdea.txt won't log that all? Then increase it.
That same cc_config.xml file with the option:

<max_stdout_file_size>size_in_bytes</max_stdout_file_size>, where size_in_bytes is something big enough. Say 80MB, or 83886080.

Save to cc_config.xml, then exit & restart BOINC.

So your total cc_config.xml should show like the following:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
<rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
<time_debug>1</time_debug>
<debt_debug>1</debt_debug>
<dcf_debug>1<dcf_debug>
</log_flags>
<options>
<max_stdout_file_size>83886080</max_stdout_file_size>
</options>
</cc_config>


(I added work_fetch_debug as well)
9711) Message boards : The Lounge : Sony Computers to install BOINC (WCG) on new computers (Message 36117)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I've had contact with the developers. They'll look into it as well and contact Sony over any discrepancies they find.

In the mean time, if there was no entry for BOINC at the "Uninstall a program" applet (Start->Control Panel->Programs->Uninstall a program) (the former Add/Remove Programs applet), then there must have been a "World Community Grid BOINC" entry in the list.

If neither of these were in the list, the excrement will hit the rotating oscillator (even though the Mythbusters showed that to be highly unlikely ;-)) at Sony. ;-)
9712) Message boards : The Lounge : Sony Computers to install BOINC (WCG) on new computers (Message 36111)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Forwarded your complaint to the BOINC developers. With thanks.
I agree that Sony should leave the installer visible.

(Was it visible in the "Uninstall or change a program" applet?)
9713) Message boards : Questions and problems : High Priority = Wrong Priority (Message 36110)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yet you refuse to give definite proof, by debug logs.
You won't give any information other than that 'you seen it'.

Or you will, but only after the developers change the program so it does what you want it to do, despite what that does to all the other people out there? Bit of a weird demand.

If you want to change it so it runs as you think it should, get the source code and start hacking at it. It's open source. Should be easy for you to make it do what you want, seeing as how you can tell without a shred of evidence that the system is broken beyond (your) repair. :-)

Have fun. I'll not return here, as you make me laugh too much and that's still too painful. :-(
9714) Message boards : Questions and problems : High Priority = Wrong Priority (Message 36106)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
So if you care to overfill your cache you can see for yourself how boinc doesn't pick the task with the earliest deadline (+/- estimated runtime) first.

Again, run with debug flags to corroborate this claim. In the least <rr_simulation>

Personally I run BOINC with work from 7 different projects, all with their own different (by application) deadlines and it manages to get all work that's cached in by their respective deadlines. Without me needing to do much of anything, heck for the past 4 weeks I have even managed to play a lot of intensive 3D games without that interfering with the work being done and returned in time.

Of course, overfilling your cache on purpose... well, what do you expect then? Do you also fill up your Diesel with gasoline to forcibly point out to the car manufacturer that this won't work?
9715) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC is suspending work when shouldn't. how do i configure? (Message 36097)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Does your Windows start scheduled things when the system is idle? Indexing of drives, for instance. Or does an anti-virus program start its checks at any time during the night?

These might be seen by BOINC as user activity.

A cat walking over the keyboard as well, btw. ;-)
Or something vibrating hard enough that your mouse moves...
9716) Message boards : Questions and problems : While computer is on batteries (Message 36096)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.10.18

Please update to the latest BOINC (6.10.58) first and try again. Also make sure your computers are updated complete, (motherboard chipset -) driver wise, BIOS upgrade, Windows update etc.

Also make sure that boinctray.exe is running. Despite its name, this program doesn't do anything is a tray. It does not show the BOINC Manager icon in the system tray, but instead is used to check for keyboard taps and mouse movements. Without it running, especially on Vista and Windows 7 systems, BOINC has big problems checking what's happening, due to security measures put in place by Microsoft in their OSes.

After you update BOINC, boinctray.exe is usually missing. It'll start only from the registry at system startup. It does not start up when BOINC starts.
You can manually run it from your BOINC programs directory (it won't give any indication that it is running, other than that you can see it in Windows Task Manager).

"Worksforme" on Trac, or "works for me" means that the ticket can be closed without any further ado as the problem seems to have been fixed in either the BOINC version of the time of ticket closure, or through other means (BIOS update, drivers update, Windows patch etc.)
9717) Message boards : Questions and problems : High Priority = Wrong Priority (Message 36093)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC version?
Operating system?
General system specs?
Which projects are you attached to?
How much work is on the machine?
What is the connect to interval plus the additional amount of days worth of work that should be stored?
What's the on_frac and active_frac?
What's the DCF of the affected projects?
And where is your proof, given by a the cc_config.xml file with the following flags enabled:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<time_debug>: updates to on_frac, active_frac, connected_frac.
<debt_debug>: Show changes to project debt.
<dcf_debug>: When enabled it shows the calculation of the duration correction factor per project at the start and end of tasks.

Without all of that information your post is just text on a monitor. No developer will be able to do anything with it as there's nothing to compare it with, or no way to reproduce it.
9718) Message boards : The Lounge : Word Link (Message 36088)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
eloquence
9719) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cant find my graphic/grafic card (Message 36083)
Posted 16 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
If just "possible flu", then possibly "not at all" ;-)

One doctor says flu, the other says cold. I'm mostly in bed, two rooms away from my computer, so not here to read anything. :)
9720) Message boards : Questions and problems : Cant find my graphic/grafic card (Message 36077)
Posted 16 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
It's because it isn't a graphics processing unit (GPU) that can do CUDA. See http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_gpus.html for all products that can be used.
9721) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc doesn't respond to mouse movement (Message 36060)
Posted 13 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
As per the recent log: YOU must free -0.0 MB before BOINC gets space.

I always like BOINC's weirdest behaviours. Not only must you free zero MB, no... you must free negative zero MB. :-D

Forwarded that one to Einstein's admins. As to your computer problem, you're in good hands, I am not going to input any of my interference. :)
9722) Message boards : Questions and problems : different platforms have different efficiency to solve a project work unit (Message 36047)
Posted 12 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
The World Community Grid has forums of their own, where you can better ask these things.

BOINC doesn't do any work, nor will it tell project how many credits to give out under the old web-code. So it will not tell WCG how many points (credits times 7) to give out per application and task set. When you find inconsistencies in these, you will have to take it up with the project. BOINC really has no effect on it.
9723) Message boards : Questions and problems : Projects spontaneously resetting and detaching (Message 36031)
Posted 10 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
When using an account manager, attach to the projects through the account manager (tell there which ones you want to run). You do not need to separately attach to projects in BOINC Manager then. Any projects that are found through BM that you are attached through through an account manager, will be detached and all work for that project is then lost from your computer.

...I also find that I have to reregister with BOINC on line before I can login, as BOINC no longer recognizes my email and password

BOINC isn't a project. You can register to the forums here, but that's for the forums then only. You don't need to register to BOINC in any way or form to be able to do any work on any of the projects.

Projects are a separate thing from BOINC.
Any project related registration problems, first off check that your browser isn't blocking java or javascript. That's needed on the pages. Else try to take up registration problems with the projects themselves. They'll normally have some Help desk forums.
9724) Message boards : Questions and problems : File upload handler missing (Message 36028)
Posted 10 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
You'd better ask at the projects anyway, as the file_upload_handler runs at the project server, on the upload server.

Now, it's possible that the work you have is corrupted. You can do a disk check for that, make sure that BOINC isn't running while you run chkdsk (or similar).
9725) Message boards : Questions and problems : File upload handler missing (Message 36025)
Posted 10 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which projects and are they otherwise available? (Check their forums, can everyone else upload?)
9726) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 35998)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.9 released for testing for Macintosh only

Charlie Fenton wrote:
I have released BOINC 6.12.9 for Macintosh for testing. This is a Macintosh-only release to fix a problem with the Mac installer. It should be identical to 6.12.8 in every other respect.

Mac testers, please direct your attention to this 6.12.9 release. For all other platforms, please continue testing 6.12.8.

Thank you.

Cheers,
--Charlie


Change log:

  • Mac Installer: Fix failure to auto-launch on OS 10.4.x.

9727) Message boards : Questions and problems : Queues and additional work (Message 35974)
Posted 4 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I beg to differ.

He asked about 5.10.45, not about any of the 6.x versions.

It was per, it went and became total somewhere around 6.4 (around the GPU entry), before it was turned back to per around 6.10 when the all new and shiny work schedulers were introduced.
9728) Message boards : Questions and problems : Queues and additional work (Message 35966)
Posted 4 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Per
9729) Message boards : Questions and problems : http error 417 (Message 35965)
Posted 4 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Also make sure you set up your proxy in BOINC.

In BOINC 6.10 and before->BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Options->Proxy tabs.
In BOINC 6.12 and above->BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Display and network options->Proxy tabs.
9730) Message boards : Questions and problems : new boinc program will not load (Message 35963)
Posted 4 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
And:
Please post the exact error message, or error number.
Please post your old BOINC version number and new BOINC version number.
Please post what operating system you used and whether it's 32bit or 64bit
Please post if your old BOINC version was 64bit or 32bit, and the same for the new version you are trying to install.

And please use punctuation in your post. One continuous sentence is quite unreadable and isn't how you learned at school how to communicate with others in this world.
9731) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 35944)
Posted 2 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.8 released for testing for all platforms

Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<std_debug>: problems involving short term debt.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • lib: The custom Mac backtrace code doesn't work on Intel Macs running under OS 10.5.x, so use newer backtrace() and backtrace_symbols() APIs under OS 10.5.x, with explanatory text suggesting alternatives. (Checked into 6.12.7 tag.)
  • client: fix major bug in job scheduling

    Old: scheduling has 2 phases:
    1) computing a list of jobs to run (a vector of RESULT*); this is done infrequently
    2) enforcing the schedule; this is done more frequently

    Problem:

    when we enforce the schedule, the RESULTs in the jobs-to-run list may not still be runnable, and in fact they may not still exist (dangling pointer).

    New: combine the 2 phases

  • client, acct manager protocol: allow <no_cpu>, <no_cuda> and <no_ati> bools within <account> in reply message. They suppress work fetch for that resource type from that project.
  • Mac lib: use newer backtrace() APIs under OS 10.5.x on Intel Macs.
  • Mac Installer: Updates for OS 10.6.5 compatibility.
  • client: fix scheduling bug. The round-robin simulation wasn't handling multithread jobs correctly.
    For example, given two 3-CPU jobs, it would model running them together on a 4-CPU host. This doesn't correspond with the CPU scheduler, which runs only 1 at a time. So the simulator would say that there are no idle CPUs when in fact there are, and no new CPU jobs would be fetched.

  • client: fix typo that broke communication with account managers.
  • API: compile fix for Win.
  • client: slightly change detach scheme for account managers.

9732) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 35935)
Posted 1 Dec 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.7 released for testing for all platforms

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is a new release to test, we had great turnout for the last build. This release fixes the issues with the Simple GUI project menus. There are also a few fixes for CPU/GPU scheduling. Unless another showstopper is found, this release will go public.

Please report bugs on the Alpha email list or the BOINC Dev forums and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<std_debug>: problems involving short term debt.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • MGR: Save window dimensions and position on SIZE and MOVE events to make sure changes are recorded even if the window is minimized (iconized) when exiting BOINC.
  • client: account manager RPC:

    Additions to request message:
    -- <not_started_dur>X</not_started_dur>
    -- <in_progress_dur>X</in_progress_dur>
    The estimated remaining duration of unstarted and in-progress tasks.

    Additions to reply message, within <project>, optional:
    <suspend>0|1</suspend> suspend or resume project (overrides local state)
    <abort_not_started>0|1</abort_not_started> if set, abort unstarted jobs.
  • Add support to detect VirtualBox VM software.
  • client and scheduler: a client host may have multiple VM systems installed. TODO: check for VirtualBox on Mac, Linux.
  • client: Add support to detect VirtualBox VM software on Mac.
  • Port missing minor change from trunk.
  • Mac Installer: remove obsolete kludge for generating x86_64 screensaver.
  • win_tray: Add logging support to trap crashes (of boinctray).
  • client: in account manager requests, include the following per-project attributes: suspended_via_gui, dont_request_more_work, deatch_when_done, ended.
  • client: restore code to maintain recent estimated credit.
  • client: Add VirtualBox detection for Linux.
  • Mac Installer: eliminate wrapper application around install package.
  • Mac Installer: permit remote install via SSH using command-line installer.
  • client: improve the way credit history is maintained

    Old: Maintain list of daily records. When add a new record, delete records older than a month.

    Problem: If there's a gap in the record (e.g. because project was down) deleting old records may result in a list that has an entry only for today. Data for the last month is lost.

    New: When appropriate, adjust the date of old records rather than deleting them.
  • Mac Installer: command-line installs test for existence of files /tmp/nonadminusersok.txt and /tmp/setboincsaver.txt
  • MGR: Switch to the tasks tab when a request to execute benchmarks has been requested. The messages tab no longer exists.
  • client: fix bug where client would ask project for work for a resource even when the project doesn't have app versions that use the resource.
    TODO: there are 2 functions, compute_may_have_work() and dont_fetch(), that do the same thing and both have misleading names. Clean this up.
    Rom: please back-port to 6.10
  • Mac Installer: Better handling of custom installer icon.
  • MGR Statistics tab: always show last 30 days in all projects (sum) graph.
  • Remove BOINC_RCSID tags from more source files.
  • client: Copy the AltiVec CPU feature to the p_features field, leave AltiVec in the host model field for backwards compatibility.
  • client: implement more scheduler changes that use recent estimated credit (REC) instead of debt.
    These changes are enabled by #define USE_REC in work_fetch.h.

    If this is commented out (the default) the client uses debt-based scheduling, same as before. TODO: work-fetch policy changes
  • client simulator: various fixes:
    -- compute idle and wasted fraction based on all processing resources, not just CPU.
    -- compute job completion times based on FLOPS, not CPU seconds.
    -- compute and use project->no_X_apps etc.
  • GUI RPC, client side: add error-checking for CC_STATE::parse(); avoid crash if error or missing item in reply XML.
  • client: fix compiler warning.
  • vbox: Create a new VirtualBox wrapper using the VirtualBox COM API set. Use the existing wrapper as the baseline. Current wrapper just dumps the existing VMs defined on the machine. More to follow.
  • client: work fetch fix: try to maintain GPU work all projects, since we now do round-robin for GPUs as well as CPU. NOTE: this bug was found using the client simulator!
  • client simulator: generate REC graph.
  • client: do exponential backoff (from 10 min to 24 hours) on account manager RPC failures, rather than always waiting 24 hours.
  • client: use <foo>0|1</foo> instead of <foo/> or "" as XML boolean. This distinguishes between "false" and "not defined" (did this in a few places, should do it everywhere).
  • client: send host info in account manager request message.
  • client: on startup, generate a notice if any jobs require more RAM than is allowed by prefs.
  • manager: show RAM limit in task properties.
  • api: check return values of functions used in boinc_msg_prefix(), return a (valid) empty string if an error occurred.
  • MGR: Use standard menus, even on Windows, for the Simple GUI.

9733) Message boards : Questions and problems : Under this scenario, BOINC won't get work (Message 35786)
Posted 18 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Suspended work is still counted as active work, in the work fetch calculations. It's not a bug.
9734) Message boards : Questions and problems : installed WCG-BOINC and no project works annymore (Message 35774)
Posted 17 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, so you're at an all clean installation now. How does it work?
9735) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.12.6 and Firefox 3.6.12 (Message 35773)
Posted 17 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I can't make heads or tails from what you're saying or asking. Can you please elaborate?
9736) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc GPU Wont Stop (Message 35772)
Posted 17 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which preferences are you using and updating?
The web-site preferences, or the local ones?

Is this BOINC 6.10.58?
9737) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Leiden Classical] Messed up scheduler url (Message 35761)
Posted 17 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
The error message i included also refers to tags within global_prefs.xml which i did not edit, and other project running fine with same edited client_state.xml.

The "Unrecognized" and "Skipping" parts of stderr.txt only show that the science application does not know about these preferences. It's just that the LHC app was made way before BOINC 6, LHC has never released updated applications built against a later BOINC API that does know those tags.

It won't interfere with the running of the science application.
I don't think this is a BOINC problem, especially since you tested it against other Linux distros and with other BOINC versions on this Lunix distro.

What i tested:
- Changing url manually within client_state.xml => after each update the url get changed back to wrong one
- Installed BOINC 6.6.41 on same machine => same issue
- Installed BOINC 6.10.58 on Ubuntu 9.10 Server x64 => no problems
- Installed BOINC 6.10.56 x64 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 => no problems

So the adding of the forward slash to an URL is probably something that the OS does. Yet, I forwarded it to the developers anyway. So far, not had a reaction.
9738) Message boards : Questions and problems : Change location of data directory? (Message 35759)
Posted 17 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
You could also modify the windows registry after stopping BOINC and moving the folder.

The problem here is permission on the folder, on Vista and 7. You can only get the permission repaired by installing BOINC, after moving the data directory.

I've run into that problem on Win7, with moving the data directory from C: to D:, then just changing the registry. All work thereafter returned erroneously due to permission problems.
9739) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC broke Windows screen saver timer? (Message 35724)
Posted 14 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
And the one in your BIOS?
9740) Message boards : Questions and problems : installed WCG-BOINC and no project works annymore (Message 35715)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
What you could do, while we wait for any developer to come look (I haven't heard from any of them), is clean out BOINC rigorously and restart fresh. See this FAQ for more information.
9741) Message boards : Questions and problems : Screensaver stops Boinc (Message 35714)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
First off, what do you mean with grid? GridRepublic, the account manager with their own client, or World Community Grid, the project with their own client?

Second, when you installed BOINC, did you uninstall the previous version through Windows Add/Remove Programs prior to installing BOINC?

Third, Which projects are you attached to? Are any of them using the ATI GPU to do calculations with?

Fourth, what if you set the screen saver to none? Science can be done at all times, the screen saver isn't really necessary. Lots of projects don't even have a screen saver.
9742) Message boards : Questions and problems : Non of my projects get work (Message 35707)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
LHC doesn't have work.
Seti doesn't have work, or only sporadically to clear up database work in anticipation of the new servers, expected to go live at the end of November.
Superlinkattechnion hasn't had work since the dawn of time.

Attach to Einstein, for instance, or any of the sub-projects at World Community Grid, if you want sturdy amounts of work. Or choose other projects at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php. Check their project forums for information about whether or not they have work.
9743) Message boards : Questions and problems : installed WCG-BOINC and no project works annymore (Message 35705)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I'll let both the BOINC and WCG developers know there's problems with their version. Which WCG version were you using?
9744) Message boards : Questions and problems : installed WCG-BOINC and no project works annymore (Message 35703)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
WCG BOINC is uninstalled with its own uninstaller. Check in Windows Add/Remove Programs for World Community Grid, not BOINC.

Why it would still start twice, I don't know. Check for the presence of a cc_config.xml file (the WCG BOINC comes with one). Check for <ncpus> entry.

You can just attach to WCG through BOINC, you don't require WCG's version of the client to run its applications.
9745) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 35696)
Posted 12 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.6 released for testing for all platforms

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

Here is a new build that should fix the GPU Suspend issue as well as running GPU and multi-threaded applications at the same time. If all goes well we should be able to make this a public release.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha and report bugs on the alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.


----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<std_debug>: problems involving short term debt.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: fix harmless compile warning
  • unix build system: fix for non-english locale, from Nicolas. fixes [trac]#975[/trac]
  • client: fix "Snooze GPU"
  • client, scheduler, RPC protocol:
    -- If the scheduler doesn't have any app versions for resource type X, it includes an element <no_X_apps>1</no_X_apps> in the reply msg (e.g., <no_cpu_apps>1</no_cpu_apps>)
    -- The client parses and stores these flags, and doesn't ask a project for work for a resource if the project doesn't have app versions for it.

    Apparently I started this change in [trac]changeset:19375[/trac] (October 2009) and forgot to finish it. (DA)
  • client: change scheduling policy to allow multithread jobs to coexist with GPU jobs that use significant CPU time.
    -- Old: run a MT job only if total CPU usage will be < #CPUs + 1. So if you have some GPU jobs running and their CPU usage sums to < 1, BOINC will run a MT job too. But if CPU usage > 1 BOINC won't run the MT job, and some CPUs will be idle.

    Note: to maximize throughput, it might be better to run either GPU jobs or MT jobs, but not both at the same time. However, volunteers don't like it when CPUs are idle. So...
    -- New: ignore the CPU usage of GPU jobs in deciding whether to run MT jobs. So we'll run a 4-core MT job (at low priority) even if GPU jobs (which run at normal priority) use > 1 CPU. (Yes, the MT job might run very slow)
  • manager: don't show resources redundantly on task properties page
  • boinccmd: --get_cc_status now prints its result
    client: fix yesterday's checkin [trac]changeset:22661[/trac] for anonymous platform:
    -- if project P is anonymous platform don't request work for resource R from P if there is no app version using R in P/app_info.xml else don't request work for resource R from P if P tells us it has no app versions using R.
  • MGR: Disable balloons on Linux for the time being.
  • Mac SS: Minor tweak for use in debugging.

9746) Message boards : Questions and problems : Project has no new tasks available (Message 35694)
Posted 11 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
The message there says it: The Seti project has no tasks available.

Please see their front page news:
The project is down while we remodel our database servers.
The machine that was running the main BOINC database has become too unreliable to use. The backup server does not have the capacity to run the project on its own.

The very good news is that we just ordered two new servers! One will be the new BOINC database server and the other will be the new back end science database server. Our capacity to both distribute and analyze our data will increase significantly with these new machines.

While we prepare for these new servers and get them going once they arrive, the project will be down. Although no new work will be distributed, all outstanding work will be uploaded and credited. This web site and the forums will remain up for most of the remodeling period.

Funding for the new servers has come entirely from very generous donations from the SETI@Home community


Do know that we're not the Seti forums. Those can be found here.
9747) Message boards : BOINC client : Why switch task if only a few seconds left? (Message 35691)
Posted 11 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Thanks again and sorry for the stupid question.

There are no stupid questions. :-)
9748) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Ambiguous scale in all-projects statistics (Message 35690)
Posted 11 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
The graphics had an overhaul not too long ago, so the question is, which version of BOINC do you use? 6.10 or 6.12?
9749) Message boards : Questions and problems : graphics won't display (Message 35688)
Posted 11 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
What kind of CPU do you have? i3, i5 or i7?

Hold on.. you can use http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/detect.htm to install the latest drivers, just in case.

(Or this link for all Intel chipset drivers).
9750) Message boards : Questions and problems : Frequent problems communicating with client (Message 35684)
Posted 10 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Sounds more like you have some other problem. Usually, the "manager cannot connect to the client" is an effect of something else taking over TCP port 31416, the port at which BOINC does communications between its various parts.

The last thing that apparently does so is Bonjour from Apple, an application for iTunes. Other things are torrent programs (where for each peer a port is opened), virus/worms, other malware.

Check with CTRL + ALT + DELETE -> Open Task Manager what is taking up CPU cycles, what is running. Or let Task Manager run constantly so you don't have to open it on the problem machine.
9751) Message boards : BOINC client : Why switch task if only a few seconds left? (Message 35683)
Posted 10 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
There are projects out there with applications which run the last percent, or last minute for hours, versus those that run the last percent or minute in (almost) real time. How is BOINC to differentiate between all these applications?

And so, it won't even try to. If a checkpoint has been made and it's time to switch according to the value you set that it should switch at, BOINC will switch.
9752) Message boards : BOINC client : 6.12.5 (Alpha) - Breaks GPU Pause settings? (Message 35676)
Posted 10 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
[trac]changeset:22668[/trac]


  • client: change scheduling policy to allow multithread jobs to coexist with GPU jobs that use significant CPU time.
    -- Old: run a MT job only if total CPU usage will be < #CPUs + 1. So if you have some GPU jobs running and their CPU usage sums to < 1, BOINC will run a MT job too. But if CPU usage > 1 BOINC won't run the MT job, and some CPUs will be idle.

    Note: to maximize throughput, it might be better to run either GPU jobs or MT jobs, but not both at the same time. However, volunteers don't like it when CPUs are idle. So...
    -- New: ignore the CPU usage of GPU jobs in deciding whether to run MT jobs. So we'll run a 4-core MT job (at low priority) even if GPU jobs (which run at normal priority) use > 1 CPU. (Yes, the MT job might run very slow)

9753) Message boards : Questions and problems : SETI / BOINC server having issues? (Message 35669)
Posted 9 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Other than that they have their normal Tuesday outage at this time, they're also waiting for 2 new servers to arrive after the major database server crash of a couple of weeks ago. The waiting for the new servers is what's giving us all little or no work at all.
They're doing clean-up work in anticipation of the arrival of the new servers, which causes some sporadic work to be available, but that'll stop eventually as well.

Note that you're on the BOINC forums, we're not really in any way affiliated with the Seti project or any other project. Please check later today their web site --after their Tuesday maintenance-- at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ for more information.
9754) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35662)
Posted 9 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
The Notice Window Popping up all the Time

Can also be disabled. Tools menu->Display and Network options->General tab->slide the Notifications reminder interval slider to the left (zero)->OK.
9755) Message boards : BOINC client : 6.12.5 (Alpha) - Breaks GPU Pause settings? (Message 35658)
Posted 9 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you want to use an alpha and report on possible bugs, do use debug flags in cc_config.xml

In this case make sure you post a start-up log with the <coproc_debug>, <sched_op_debug> and <cpu_sched_debug> flags enabled.

I don't mind warning the developers about this thread, but they'll be expecting more than just your word for it. Hence the request for the debug log. Let BOINC speak for itself.
9756) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC responsible for fatal error BAD POOL CALLER Win XP (Message 35657)
Posted 9 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Have you checked on line what possible causes a BAD POOL CALLER has and how to fix it? This is usually caused by bad drivers for any hardware you just installed or bad links in your Windows registry.

So please do run some cleaning software first (like CCleaner, followed by a free registry scan (and fix), followed by something that checks all hardware on your system and compares if it needs updated drivers, like Driver Checker.
9757) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Only 2 MB CPU cache shows for a Q8300 Quad-Core (Message 35650)
Posted 8 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah, it's probably Intel doing something different on where they store the information. Or they store the L2 cache information per 2MB segment. It's not a change that the developers of BOINC can constantly keep up with.

At present, the detection code is at lines 878-888 in hostinfo_win.cpp.
9758) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35649)
Posted 8 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Easy there, kiddo. It's only on the 'not very public dl page'... wait until it's available on the download all page. :)
9759) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 35647)
Posted 8 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.5 released for testing for Windows, Windows x64, Linux, Linux x64 and Macintosh

Rom Walton, 09-Nov-2010 wrote:
Howdy Folks,

We have a new build to test for possible release. This release fixes numerous issues with CPU/GPU scheduling. This release should also fix the close button issues on Linux.

Please report test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha and report bugs on the alpha email list.

Thanks in advance.



----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<std_debug>: problems involving short term debt.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • Mac: Update XCode project for new source files client/current_version.cpp, .h
  • client: update STD of ineligible projects by decay only. Not sure why, but this eliminates gradual negative drift.
  • client: linux compile fix.
  • client: small fix for GPU scheduling (use anticipated debt instead of STD).
  • manager: if attaching to existing account, don't check min passwd length.
  • manager: fix non-translatable "0 bytes".
  • client and manager: fix notice titles.
  • code cleanup: please use standard coding conventions.
  • client: small initial checkin for new scheduling system. Keep track of per-project recent estimated credit.
  • client: show --no_gpus option in --help
  • client: don't preempt GPU jobs in middle of time slice.
  • client: fix problems with job scheduling policy.

    -- Old: job scheduling has 2 phases.
    In the first phase (schedule_cpus()) we make a list of jobs, with deadline-miss and high-STD jobs first. Keep track of the RAM used, and skip jobs that would exceed available RAM. Stop scanning when the # of CPUs used by jobs in the list exceeds the # of actual CPUs.

    In the 2nd phase (enforce_schedule()), we add currently running jobs (which may be in the middle of a time slice) to the list, and reorder to give priority to such jobs, and possibly also to multi-thread jobs. We then run and/or preempt jobs, keeping track of RAM used.

    Problems:
    -- Suppose we add an EDF 1-CPU job to the list, then a MT job. We'll stop at that point because #CPUs is exceeded. But enforce_schedule() won't run the MT job, and CPUs will be idle.
    -- Because the list may be reordered, skipping jobs based on RAM is not correct, and may cause deadlines to be missed.

    New:
    -- When making the job list, keep track of #CPUs used by MT jobs and non-MT jobs separately. Stop the scan only if the non-MT count exceeds #CPUs. This ensures that we have enough jobs to use all the CPUs, even if the MT jobs can't be run for whatever reason.
    -- Don't skip jobs because of RAM usage.
    -- Skip MT jobs if the MT CPU count is at least #CPUs.

    Notes:
    -- Ignoring RAM usage in phase 1 can cause idleness in some cases, e.g. suppose there are 4 GB of RAM and the list has jobs that use 3 GB, but there are also some jobs that use 1 GB. I'm not sure how to fix this.
    -- Maybe the 2-phase approach is not a good idea. We did it this way for efficiency, so that we don't have to recompute the job list each time a job checkpoints. But this is probably not a concern, and I like the idea of a simpler approach, e.g. reducing the policy to a single comparison function.

  • GUI RPC: parse GPU info, FLOPS from APP_VERSION records (client already sends this info).
  • manager: show app speed and task FLOPs estimate in task Properties.
  • client: gpu_active_frac was being computed incorrectly, resulting in various scheduling problems.
  • client: comment out update_rec() call.
  • client: comment out a debug msg.
  • MGR: Fix the event log so that it doesn't store the event log's size information when it is in a minimized state.
  • MGR: Fix the close dialog issue on wxGTK, apparently there is a hidden flag that governs the handling of the GTK callback function. Fixes [trac]#962[/trac] (Thanks for the patch cli).

9760) Message boards : Questions and problems : Problem with getting new tasks? (Message 35643)
Posted 8 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes.

As even suspended work is still work and BOINC knows it's there. It'll add that to the simulation when calculating if you need more work or not. Want to increase your cache? Increase the amount of "Additional days of work".
9761) Message boards : Questions and problems : graphics won't display (Message 35641)
Posted 8 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Drivers.
The graphics are OpenGL, which isn't enabled by default drivers (installed by Windows) as it's a direct competitor to Microsoft's own DirectX. So you need to install the drivers from the Intel site.

Go to http://downloadcenter.intel.com/, follow the options for "Find downloads by product name", install those drivers. Or tell us what kind of Intel videocard (or -chip) you have and we'll try to help.
9762) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows crash - tasks no longer visible (Message 35640)
Posted 8 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
What should I do with the 'lost tasks'? Just leave them and let them time out? Deattach/reattach from Seti@home?

Let them time out, detaching/reattaching won't help here either, as far as I know.
9763) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35632)
Posted 6 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
...but as long as 6.12.1 is working I'll just go with that for now.

Perhaps it's wise to use http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php as the download page and nothing else. 6.12.1 may be working for what you want, but it has loads of bugs which 6.12.4 doesn't have, or in lesser form.

Ok, just make sure you upgrade to the next recommended 6.12 as soon as it's released (which should be soon).
9764) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35625)
Posted 6 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Why 6.12.1 ?? That's a development version and an old one at that. We're already up to 6.12.4, with 6.12.5 coming in the pipeline (I expect it somewhere this week).
9765) Message boards : Questions and problems : Windows crash - tasks no longer visible (Message 35624)
Posted 6 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Not without knowing their exact description in the client_state.xml file.
At that, what caused the BSOD? What did it says? (Check your Windows Event Viewer for clues).

But essentially, if your BOINC had nothing in it at the restart, your client_state.xml file was corrupt or erased. When that happens, I'd check the drive for inaccuracies first, try to figure out the cause of the BSOD so it won't happen again, before worrying about possible lost work at Seti.
9766) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35618)
Posted 5 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Messages are available via the Event Log in the Advanced menu.
9767) Message boards : Questions and problems : Static remote gui connection (Message 35580)
Posted 1 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I forget that 6.12.4 has that capability. ;-)
9768) Message boards : Questions and problems : Static remote gui connection (Message 35576)
Posted 1 Nov 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Is there some XML file

No, there is none of those. In Windows the values are stored in the registry, while under OS X it'll be part of the a file in /Library/Applications Support/BOINC/ (or /Library/Applications Support/BOINC DATA/) .. not sure which one though.

As far as I know there is no way to make it do this either, exactly because of what you touched there: security.
9769) Message boards : Questions and problems : Starting New Tasks with Many Tasks in "waiting to run" State (Message 35563)
Posted 31 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
The developers are working on a new tack: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ClientSchedOctTen
9770) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screensaver crashes on Mac (Message 35558)
Posted 30 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, thank you.
I'll forward this information to the BOINC developer for the Mac. :-)

By the way, do you know what kind of videocard & drivers you have in that machine?
9771) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35553)
Posted 30 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, glad it is fixed.
Yet any next time that you expect help from us, please do tell everything that you did. We're not looking over your shoulder, we're not holding your hand. We cannot see what you do or did. You will have to tell us.

That includes things such as deleting key files in or complete BOINC directories.
9772) Message boards : Questions and problems : CPU settings - low then high (Message 35552)
Posted 30 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Science applications running under BOINC run at a low priority anyway, so such a setting would be useless. Especially so since "setting 100%" would then mean you're running at a normal priority. At this moment science applications go out of the way of other programs running at a higher priority.

And if that doesn't work for you, adjust the "Suspend work if CPU usage is above X%" preference in your preferences, which will stop BOINC and its science applications in their threads when the CPU cycles of any other application get to 25% or more.
9773) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screensaver crashes on Mac (Message 35551)
Posted 30 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Other than that, nothing looked especially helpful.

Maybe not to you and to me, but it does to the (BOINC and application) developers. So please do post the contents of the file, not just decide what needs to be posted and what not, because you don't understand it or it doesn't 'look interesting'.
9774) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35539)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC consists of separate parts that all make up the one program. The client (boinc.exe) and the Manager (graphical user interface, boincmgr.exe) are the two most important. Although, Boinc can easily run without Boinc manager. However, it can't run without the client.

So something is stopping the client from running. It can be that it crashes. it can be that one of the science applications of any of the projects you're attached to is causing havoc.

Please navigate to your BOINC Data directory and open stderrdae.txt, then check what the last error was. Post it here, if necessary.
9775) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35536)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Please check in Windows Task Manager if boinc.exe is still running when you get the message. Did you use the 64bit or 32bit version of BOINC?
Which directory did you install BOINC its program files into?
9776) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC screensaver crashes on Mac (Message 35535)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
If the same tasks are still running, check their slot directories for a file called stderrgfx.txt which may hold crucial clues.
9777) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35528)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
You do know that Windows XP has a firewall? That even when you disable this firewall, that it isn't really disabled?

So try to add BOINC as an exception in Windows Firewall. See about 1/3rd down the page at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/security/winfirewall.mspx.
9778) Message boards : Questions and problems : task exited with zero status but no 'finished' file... what to do? (Message 35526)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
See this FAQ for some things you can do about it. And good luck, it's the most common thing people run into and one of the most difficult to fix.
9779) Message boards : Questions and problems : just detached project, but directory "symbols" is still on my HD (and using 100 MB!!!) (Message 35525)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
If you detached from Ralph and still have its directory with the symbols sub-directory, then yeah, go ahead and delete. I'll ask the developer about that tonight.
9780) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35515)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Which OS is that?
9781) Message boards : BOINC Manager : installing and connecting problems (Message 35509)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Read Les' post just before yours. It'll explain what is what.

And then just allow BOINC to pass through your firewall.
Boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe need to be allowed through on TCP and UDP ports 31416.
Boinc.exe needs separate access to the internet on TCP ports 80 and 443.
9782) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35505)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I have a request.
The moment you see your BOINC run on less than all of its cores again, 4, 2, whatever, please email me immediately. I'll PM you my email address.

Add into that email your client_state.xml file, your global_prefs.xml file and if you have one, your cc_config.xml file. Please zip or otherwise compress them before sending them to me. I will then run your work through the BOINC simulator to see if I can reproduce your problem.

With thanks.
9783) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Gentoo] Boinc stop the boot (Message 35502)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yeah ok, I said that wrong. I won't have any effect on starting up BOINC, but it will have an effect on its resource use when starting up. I can imagine (and see it here on Windows) that it starts up as soon as possible, the science applications start using resources you don't want them to use yet (memory, CPUs). This start delay prohibits that. It'll start BOINC, but won't start up the science applications until after these amount of seconds are run. Which may make the start-up sequence a little smoother.

I also see we don't need the cc_config.xml for the start delay. It can also be done from the command line.

So that makes starting BOINC like this: boinc --redirectio --start_delay 30 --detach
9784) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35500)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, I am pointing out some things to the developers through email. Do know that they live in the US, one on the east coast, the other on the west coast, so varying times they're available.

I'm also wondering about the multi-threaded AQUA application, in how far it can play havoc when being scheduled. It'll want to use all CPU cores... which it won't be able to do for a while yet, since that CPDN task is in high priority.

Can you check if either of those AQUA's have run in the mean time, and on how many cylinde.. err cores? :-)
9785) Message boards : Questions and problems : [Gentoo] Boinc stop the boot (Message 35499)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Adding --detach as a command to Boinc will kill the terminal window, after Boinc has started. I think you'd also need --redirectio, to make sure output goes to the std*.txt files, and not to the now closed command line window.

So that would make Boinc need to start with: boinc --redirectio --detach
Also see the other command line options.

One other thing you may want to do is add a start-up delay, in the form of a cc_config.xml file in the BOINC data directory, containing in the least:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<start_delay>N</start_delay>
</options>
</cc_config>

Where N is any number resembling the amount of seconds you want it to stop. E.g. <start_delay>30</start_delay> will stop BOINC from starting up for 30 seconds.
9786) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35494)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I did see that your CPDN model was overdue (or thought to be overdue in due time), thus running in high priority. At such time that core will not be used by any other project. And I wonder here if that has any impact on what work will be downloaded from the other project or started on the other CPU cores.

Anyway, I was chatting with one of the developers tonight, I've warned him about this thread already. I'll pass my suspicions about this by him tomorrow, after I had some sleep. :)
9787) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35492)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I suspect you had not enough work on the system to run on all 8 cores. But as said, just suspicion.
9788) Message boards : Questions and problems : just detached project, but directory "symbols" is still on my HD (and using 100 MB!!!) (Message 35491)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally, yes. It'll remove all from that project from the BOINC\projects\project_directory\ directory.

Symbols however... These get downloaded from the BOINC server when the application or BOINC itself crashes a lot. Which project did you detach from, if I may ask?
9789) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 35487)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Extended outage warning for Seti@Home. From this thread:

Jeff Cobb wrote:
We've decided to keep the project down until the new servers are up and running and the databases migrated to them.

The forums will stay up.

The back end and the upload server will stay up until we clear the outstanding results.

The time line we are looking at is about one month - two weeks for the servers to arrive and another two to get them going. We'll see as time goes on whether or not that's too aggressive.

The down time will be used for preparing the databases for migration. For example, on the science side, we can finally finish a big merge of the spike table and drop the old spike table. This will make the database smaller and easier to migrate.

We will also use the time for science processing and analysis.

More later...
9790) Message boards : Projects : Seti Server(s) Unavailable? (Message 35486)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Extended outage warning for Seti@Home. From this thread:

Jeff Cobb wrote:
We've decided to keep the project down until the new servers are up and running and the databases migrated to them.

The forums will stay up.

The back end and the upload server will stay up until we clear the outstanding results.

The time line we are looking at is about one month - two weeks for the servers to arrive and another two to get them going. We'll see as time goes on whether or not that's too aggressive.

The down time will be used for preparing the databases for migration. For example, on the science side, we can finally finish a big merge of the spike table and drop the old spike table. This will make the database smaller and easier to migrate.

We will also use the time for science processing and analysis.

More later...
9791) Message boards : Projects : Seti Server(s) Unavailable? (Message 35484)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
That is due to .58 to have BOINC only see 1 core and not all the others, but if you downgrade to .56 the problem will go away and wait for the next version.

Attention, that only you see this behaviour doesn't mean everyone else will. Please stop posting this 'advice'. If it helps for you, fine. But now you're starting to spam these forums, totally unnecessary.

Any next post you have on this subject in threads other than your own will be removed. We try to help people with their problems. BOINC 6.10.58 has been extensively tested before release. Had any of the 45+ Alpha testers found any such problem on their systems, this version wouldn't have been released.
9792) Message boards : Questions and problems : 1 Project at a time. (Message 35476)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I downgraded back to 6.10.56

You do know that your signature says6.10.58? :P

Oh and thanks for answering my questions. For a next time, remember that we're trying to help on any information you give. When you do something in the mean time without telling us, it isn't our fault you see something different all of a sudden.

As for diagnosing what went wrong where, I am not even going to try it. Not interested anymore.
9793) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35471)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
OK, let's make sure your BOINC uses the web-based preferences only: Open BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Preferences->click Clear. Do not return to the advanced preferences (to peek in or whatever) until you really want to use them.

After you have cleared the local preferences, your BOINC should immediately start using the online preferences (last updated from Cosmology, but you can update them on whichever project you're attached to, of course). Please let us know what that does.
9794) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35469)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Ah sorry, my mistake. I've edited my post with the cc_config.xml

It had <cc_config.xml> tags, where they needed to be just <cc_config>
Habit. ;-)
9795) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35467)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Your messages log doesn't show us anything, other than that work is happening.
So we're going to use the cc_config.xml file.

Please open Notepad.
Add into it:
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<checkpoint_debug>1</checkpoint_debug>
<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
<mem_usage_debug>1</mem_usage_debug>
<sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

Save this file as an All Files, format ANSI, called cc_config.xml in your BOINC Data directory, C:\ProgramData\BOINC
This directory may be hidden, but in you fill it in on the address bar on Notepad's save URL line, it'll save it to there no matter what (e.g. C:\ProgramData\BOINC\cc_config.xml )

Make sure it uses an underscore and has the .xml extension. It shouldn't have a .txt extension.

Next we make BOINC use it, so please exit BOINC (BOINC Manager->File->Exit, check "Stop running science applications when exiting manager" and click OK) and restart it (Start->All Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager), then run it for approximately 5 to 10 minutes with these settings and then post a new log of all the messages. That's a log I could hypothetically send to the developers if it shows something wrong.
9796) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35464)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
I know you've done so before, but please bear with us: On the 6.10.58 installation, please exit and restart BOINC and then post all of the messages you have at that time (not just the first 10). Perhaps that that gives us more to work with.

Also, check in your BOINC Data directory:
Do you have a global_prefs.xml file? You should. Can you post its contents here, please?
Do you have a global_prefs_override.xml file? If all is well, you shouldn't. If you do however, can you post its contents here?

With thanks.
9797) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 35462)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Hope they do the right thing and stay down. :)
9798) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35461)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Good, since you don't need it when you're not ready for it. BOINC doesn't come with one, you will always have to make one yourself for the first time, and only do so when you know what to do with it (advanced users only). (Barraud isn't an advanced user when he tells everyone to use ncpus instead of preferences to set the amount of processors. He has definitely not ever read any of the pages on cc_config.xml, such as this FAQ. :-))
9799) Message boards : Questions and problems : Can't set proxy (Message 35460)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
You are allowed to run BOINC on that machine, since as it's using a proxy, I am assuming you run it from a school, university or work (or similar) where you'll probably need permission to run it?

What if you run them by command line? Can you get onto a command line (terminal)?
If you can, what happens when you run, from the BOINC programs directory, boinccmd --set_proxy_settings (your proxy settings) ??

What if you run with a cc_config.xml file which holds the following:
[code]<cc_config>
<options>
<force_auth>basic | digest | gss-negotiate | ntlm</force_auth>
</options>
</cc_config>

Choose any of the options, not all. E.g. <force_auth>basic</force_auth>
9800) Message boards : Questions and problems : Underutilisation after upgrading to 6.10.58 (Message 35458)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Yes, please do not advise to use the <ncpus> option in a core client configuration file for any other purposes than to debug how it runs on a processor that can't do that many tasks at the same time.

The option isn't used to set the amount of CPU cores. You use the global and override preferences for that.

I have answered Sandman192 in his own thread.
9801) Message boards : Questions and problems : 1 Project at a time. (Message 35457)
Posted 28 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
What are you trying to do? What is your definition of a project?

I define a project as Lattice, or Einstein, not the tasks they give out for your processors to run. Do you do that as well?

Are you expecting all your processors to run one task at the same time? The projects you run don't do multi-threading as that's called. As far as I know, only the AQUA project does so.

Or are you trying to run at 20% of the available CPUs (cores) only (with the option "On multiprocessors, use at most 20% of the processors"), making it run at 1 core on your 8 core ((INT (8 / 100) * 20) = 1) and none on your 4 core ((INT (4 / 100) * 20) = 0) ??

Or are you trying to throttle to 20% using the "Use at most 20 of CPU time" option in your preferences?

Any of these 20% preferences, are you trying to set those through the global preferences at Lattice or Einstein? If you are, when you exit and restart BOINC, do you see a line in the messages which says "Reading preferences override file" ?? It'll come immediately after the list of projects you're attached to and where the global preferences are read from.

If this line is in your messages, you are using the local (advanced) preferences, which override the web preferences. You can get these things quite easily by just going there for a peek at what they are and accidentally clicking the OK button when you exit. Clicking OK will immediately save the preferences and use them, they will override any of the same preferences you set through the web sites. They will continue to override these preferences for as long as they're in place, no matter how many times you change the web preferences. You will have to delete the overriding preferences, before the web preferences stick:

BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Advanced->Preferences->Clear.
(Or in BOINC 6.11 and 6.12, BOINC Manager->Advanced view->Tools->Computing preferences->Clear)
9802) Message boards : The Lounge : What is the origin of the Facebook page BOINC Info? (Message 35445)
Posted 27 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Oded Nov

Sure you spelled his name right? Not Oded Bendov, the developer of BOINCOID?
9803) Message boards : Projects : Seti Server(s) Unavailable? (Message 35429)
Posted 26 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Their database servers are down after having crashed repeatedly and are waiting to be replaced. This can take up to 3 weeks, if not longer. I sincerely hope they keep their project down during this waiting period, especially since the last time there was a crash, it also corrupted part of the database. (See their tech news)

Now, as for uninstalling, BOINC is so much more than just Seti. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php for a list of projects. You can do much more than just look for an alien signal. All for the same (totally useless) credits. :D

If your computer is going to be on and idling away anyway, why not let BOINC use those idle cycles for something different?
9804) Message boards : Questions and problems : Suspending computation - CPU usage is too high (Message 35417)
Posted 25 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Suspending computation - CPU usage is too high FAQ
9805) Message boards : BOINC client : BOINC 6.11/6.12, change log and news. (Message 35348)
Posted 22 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
BOINC 6.12.4 released for testing for Windows, Windows x64, Linux, Linux x64 and Macintosh

Rom Walton wrote:
Howdy Folks,

This release should address most issues raised with the previous release. This release also includes all of the latest translation work the localization team has completed. Feedback from the last build has been better than expected in every area except with the issue of the messages tab. So I think it is time to dial up the heat and begin thinking about releasing 6.12 to the public.

In regards to the messages tab, it isn't going to be making a come-back for this release. I think everybody has done a great job of letting us know that the power-volunteer community is unhappy about the change. I would like to remind everybody that the majority of volunteers do not participate in email lists or regularly post in project forums. The only time we get a hint of what kind of issues they face are in the support forums when they ask for help and then disappear after words.

As an example (which appears in the latest 5 requests for support at the time of this writing): http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=8483

In the end, the notices tab is meant to call out issues that volunteers should fix because they cannot automatically be dealt with and provide projects a means of communication with volunteers who may only visit the project homepage once in a blue moon.

An analogous type of thing for web browsers would be the Java Console. 99% of the time it isn't needed and is available as a menu item for developers and power-users when something isn't working quite right.

Please report bugs to this list and test results to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/alpha.

Thanks in advance.



----- Rom


Disclaimer
On development versions of BOINC:
- Expect parts of it to be broken, or in the least to work in a different way than you are used to.
- Expect work failures, deadline misses and losing all your accumulated work in progress, or not getting credit for your work due to unknown and unforeseen circumstances.
- Only use it when you are willing to participate in the Alpha test program and do not mind sending (bug) reports in to the developers on the email list specially assigned for this purpose.


REMINDER TO ALL ALPHA TESTERS:
It's far easier for the developers to fix problems when you send message logs with the appropriate flags set. The main flags are:

<cpu_sched_debug>: problems involving the choice of applications to run.
<work_fetch_debug>: problems involving work fetch (which projects are asked for work, and how much).
<rr_simulation>: problems involving jobs being run in high-priority mode.
<std_debug>: problems involving short term debt.

Use these flags from the cc_config.xml file.

Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration.

Reporting bugs on this forum or any project's forum isn't very productive as the developers simply do not have time to scour through all forums looking for posts with your bug reports in them. While it may happen that we - other volunteers - forward your problem to them, history has shown it is quite difficult being the middle man in this when more information is needed from you. Hence why it's better for all concerned that you report the problem directly to the developers, who will come back directly to you when they need more information or better logs or to tell you that they've checked in a fix for the specific problem.


The actual change log was taken from the Alpha email list and the Trac Timeline repository changes check-ins. This disclaimer was written by the volunteer moderators of this forum and approved of by the BOINC development team.

Change Log:

  • client: use project STD, rather than arrival time, as the major criterion in choosing non-EDF GPU jobs. GPU scheduling now respects resource share, and as a result STD should no longer diverge.
  • lib: Fix problems with Mac backtrace code: use atos only if present, etc
  • client: delete a notice if it's no longer in the RSS feed. E.g., if a project deletes a news item, remove it from notices.
  • notices RSS: remove the "since_time" mechanism (an optimization that conflicts with the above)
  • MGR (WIN): While it is a perfectly valid thing to use FindWindow() and ShowWindow() on an application frame to restore an application from a minimized state or a hidden state on Windows (75% of the UI test automation would fail at Microsoft without this ability), it appeartly isn't for other platforms. wxWidgets is or appears to be tracking window state internally, which leads to problems when the OS restores the window and the rest of the framework doesn't know about that change in state. Certain window events were being ignored (like WM_CLOSE, menu selection events, etc.). So replace the previous mechanism for bringing an existing instance of the BOINC Manager to the foreground by creating a new global window message which is tracked by the system tray icon. When the new global message is fired make sure the CBOINCGUIApp::SetActiveGUI() function is called to restore the window state which in turn updates all the internal framework data structures.
  • client: distinguish between messages to be displayed as HTML (e.g. "Download new client here" link) and others (e.g. "Bad tag in cc_config.xml: <foo>").
  • code cleanup; move show_message from main.cpp to client_msgs.cpp
  • client: on startup, generate a message and notice about new client version if needed
  • client: notice debugging
  • Mac: Update XCode project for new source files client/current_version.cpp,.h
  • MGR: Add missing keyboard shortcut for the Event Log
  • MGR: Add missing elipses for the new instance of BOINC Manager and Event Log.
  • MGR: Display a simple message when saying that there are no notices to be displayed when the client reports there are zero notices.
  • lib: Display message if attempting backtrace on a PowerPC Mac running under OS 10.5.x
  • client: benchmarks msg tweak
  • client: ignore exclusive apps including "boinc"



Anyone who knows what happened to 6.12.3 may speak up now!

9806) Message boards : Projects : Seti Server(s) Unavailable? (Message 35346)
Posted 22 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
In Windows it's:
Start->(All) Programs->BOINC->BOINC Manager->Add project->Attach to project->etc.

But you best skip trying to add Seti for now. They're still down. Check http://setiathome.berkeley.edu for news.
9807) Message boards : The Lounge : Science and Technology in the News (Message 35336)
Posted 21 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Most distant galaxy ever found sheds light on infant cosmos

Observations of the most distant object yet discovered go a long way in supporting astronomers' models of the early Universe. But the far-flung galaxy, details of which are published in Nature today1, also raises questions about the source of the first light in the cosmos.

Light from the galaxy, named UDFy-38135539, left the object just 600 million years after the Big Bang, giving a snapshot of the cosmos in its infancy. This value smashes the previous record held by a galaxy by 150 million years. The image shows the galaxy as it was when it was around 100 million years old and is just 1-10% of the mass of the Milky Way.

The galaxy is particularly fascinating because, 600 million years after the Big Bang, the Universe was thought to be going through a phase called reionization. However, there has been little direct observational evidence for this, says astronomer Matt Lehnert at the Paris Observatory in France, who led the team involved in the study. According to astronomers' best models, the early Universe burst out of the Big Bang around 13 billion years ago as an ionized fireball. This ball of gas gradually cooled, becoming neutral as protons and electrons combined to form hydrogen. "Then stars and galaxies began to form, lighting up the Universe, heating up the gas and reionizing it," says Lehnert. "This galaxy allows us to peek at the reionization era."

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101020/full/news.2010.552.html
9808) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Text color in 6.10.58 (Message 35335)
Posted 21 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Normally BOINC Manager picks up whatever colour set through the operating system's desktop (theme) and colour settings. I don't see why it won't do that through Linux either.
9809) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 35334)
Posted 21 Oct 2010 by Profile Jord
Post:
Seti@Home wrote:
Projects are down due to a database crash.
The BOINC database crashed. The projects are down until the recovery is complete.


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