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Message 13382 - Posted: 29 Oct 2007, 20:36:41 UTC - in response to Message 13343.  

Works for me. If you disable network activity, BOINC doesn't do any network activity on its own. Only if you explicitly tell it to, by for example updating a project.


I think you have misunderstood the issue: the problem is that it is simply not possible to start Boinc without some kind of net connection. For example, on my Gentoo machine I have to start either the cable or wireless card to be able to start Boinc. It doesn't matter if there is any internet behind the router, Boinc just needs some network.
It would be nice if this could get fixed in the future.


I've noticed this too. I have a laptop with a wireless card. If I don't have the card plugged in, BOINC does not run. After a short time after manually starting BOINC, I checked the task manager and can confirm it was not running. So if I want BOINC to run I insert the card, even though there is no wireless network within range. Seems a strange thing to have to do.

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Message 13391 - Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 2:33:19 UTC - in response to Message 13382.  

If I could have one wish, I would would load BOINC projects onto my Blackberry and run it while I have it plugged in.

If I could have two wishes I would do the same with my cell phone.
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Message 13392 - Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 3:08:37 UTC - in response to Message 13391.  

If I could have one wish, I would would load BOINC projects onto my Blackberry and run it while I have it plugged in.

If I could have two wishes I would do the same with my cell phone.

BlackBerry has 16MB of RAM. Probably just enough to run its internal software. I doubt you can do much there; BOINC core client alone uses 4MB on Windows, add the memory usage of a tiny project and you probably have no memory left to make phonecalls :) Other cellphones probably have even less RAM.

Also, it's usually close to impossible to get 3rd party software running on a cellphone (unless it runs Symbian or Qtopia, which have open frameworks for software development). Finally, running computationally-intensive software on a cellphone would give you really bad battery life.
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Message 13515 - Posted: 3 Nov 2007, 17:07:00 UTC

My wish list ( as short as it may be ) is to have a centralized location of all Boinc projects on one page with clickable hyperlinks and maybe a brief description of each beside, so as to have the ability to pick and choose which one you want to run, also have ( maybe on same page) the Boinc projects that have the intent of joining up with Boinc.
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Message 13520 - Posted: 3 Nov 2007, 17:35:57 UTC - in response to Message 13515.  
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My wish list ( as short as it may be ) is to have a centralized location of all Boinc projects on one page with clickable hyperlinks and maybe a brief description of each beside, so as to have the ability to pick and choose which one you want to run, also have ( maybe on same page) the Boinc projects that have the intent of joining up with Boinc.


Something like this:
Unofficial Wiki
Rebirthers List

or in german:
BOINC FAQ
SETI.Gemany Wiki
rechenkraft.net Wiki

Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki
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Message 13528 - Posted: 3 Nov 2007, 20:11:12 UTC

Or just the Projects list of the BOINC FAQs.
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Message 13529 - Posted: 3 Nov 2007, 21:19:50 UTC - in response to Message 13392.  

If I could have one wish, I would would load BOINC projects onto my Blackberry and run it while I have it plugged in.

If I could have two wishes I would do the same with my cell phone.

BlackBerry has 16MB of RAM. Probably just enough to run its internal software. I doubt you can do much there; BOINC core client alone uses 4MB on Windows, add the memory usage of a tiny project and you probably have no memory left to make phonecalls :) Other cellphones probably have even less RAM.

Also, it's usually close to impossible to get 3rd party software running on a cellphone (unless it runs Symbian or Qtopia, which have open frameworks for software development). Finally, running computationally-intensive software on a cellphone would give you really bad battery life.


It's my wish nonetheless. Maybe I should also wish that all hand held devices has expandable memory.



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Message 13531 - Posted: 3 Nov 2007, 23:46:53 UTC

Thank you Ageless and Saenger, like that, but have it so that its automatically (human inputed) that its always up to date, that way users know what other projects are out there,other then the 21 on the project manager list when you add a project to Boinc.
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Message 13534 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 1:26:34 UTC - in response to Message 13531.  

The list in BOINC Manager's Attach to wizard is updated with each BOINC release. It can't (yet) be updated automatically on a scheduler contact, as that would mean that either BOINC needs to call home (BOINC server) or that all projects out there need an up-to-date list of all other projects at all times. Any project not updating the list would call for discrepancies.

And then there's the fact that not all projects want to be on the list. Some are in their pre_alpha stages, alpha stage, beta stage. BOINC's own list has mostly production and beta stage projects.

I'm only updating the Projects list in the FAQs when I find something on a project. Not all projects are in the list there, two I omitted because they are a bit dubious, not following BOINC's way of dealing with Distributed Computing.

And with 75+ projects out there... do you really want them all in a list in BOINC Manager? ;-)
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Message 13558 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 14:18:28 UTC

Ok thank you Ageless, I guess it would cause lots of extra bandwidth if all the managers would call home all the time. I also didn't think about the ones that didn't want to be on the list. Anyways keep up the great work. :-D
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Message 13560 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 15:18:45 UTC - in response to Message 13529.  

If I could have one wish, I would would load BOINC projects onto my Blackberry and run it while I have it plugged in.

If I could have two wishes I would do the same with my cell phone.

BlackBerry has 16MB of RAM. Probably just enough to run its internal software. I doubt you can do much there; BOINC core client alone uses 4MB on Windows, add the memory usage of a tiny project and you probably have no memory left to make phonecalls :) Other cellphones probably have even less RAM.

Also, it's usually close to impossible to get 3rd party software running on a cellphone (unless it runs Symbian or Qtopia, which have open frameworks for software development). Finally, running computationally-intensive software on a cellphone would give you really bad battery life.


It's my wish nonetheless. Maybe I should also wish that all hand held devices has expandable memory.




Any idea how much memory is in an iPhone?


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Message 13569 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 19:33:02 UTC - in response to Message 13534.  
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The list in BOINC Manager's Attach to wizard is updated with each BOINC release. It can't (yet) be updated automatically on a scheduler contact, as that would mean that either BOINC needs to call home (BOINC server) or that all projects out there need an up-to-date list of all other projects at all times. Any project not updating the list would call for discrepancies.

And then there's the fact that not all projects want to be on the list. Some are in their pre_alpha stages, alpha stage, beta stage. BOINC's own list has mostly production and beta stage projects.

I'm only updating the Projects list in the FAQs when I find something on a project. Not all projects are in the list there, two I omitted because they are a bit dubious, not following BOINC's way of dealing with Distributed Computing.

And with 75+ projects out there... do you really want them all in a list in BOINC Manager? ;-)

... that 'a bit dubious' does catch the thoughts i had earlier. I'm not so sure if that list should be auto-updated and from where. Have some security concerns with that. For that reason alone, I'd not touch anyone's home brew compile, made in Trojboekistan with love (no offence intended), just strictly Berkeley.

btw, have a look at the revived www.grid.org :?
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Message 13571 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 19:44:34 UTC - in response to Message 13569.  

Yes well. You'll know which ones I mean when I say it's all about the money. We're in no way affiliated with BOINC, but there's just some lines I draw when it comes to certain projects. And if you want to know about them, they'll be in someone else's less scrupulous list. :-)

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Message 13631 - Posted: 7 Nov 2007, 5:10:58 UTC

I'd like to see Time To Next Checkpoint on the tasks tab. That way I'd know the best time to interrupt it to do backups, etc, so I lose the least amount of work.

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Message 13633 - Posted: 7 Nov 2007, 8:29:43 UTC - in response to Message 13631.  

It's not BOINC that checkpoints, but the application. It's built in into the tasks that the application is running when to checkpoint, so how should BOINC know about that?

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Message 13634 - Posted: 7 Nov 2007, 9:03:00 UTC - in response to Message 13631.  

I'd like to see Time To Next Checkpoint on the tasks tab. That way I'd know the best time to interrupt it to do backups, etc, so I lose the least amount of work.

As Ageless wrote, this is not possible (until the apps will tell in advance). But future Boinc versions will possibly be able to shut down the apps just after checkpointing.

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Message 13637 - Posted: 7 Nov 2007, 9:35:38 UTC - in response to Message 13631.  
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I'd like to see Time To Next Checkpoint on the tasks tab. That way I'd know the best time to interrupt it to do backups, etc, so I lose the least amount of work.

--Mike

Time to next checkpoint is in many none linear and non-deterministic calculations not possible except by approximation.... the latest WCG-HCC project varies from initial 2 minutes to 35 minutes on a quad. Whilst, checkpoints are being used by BOINC since about 5.8 to switch projects, thus could facilitate a shutdown.

WCG just introduced a 'Power Saving' profile which will suspend calculation at X minutes idle time, so it must be calling onto some new BOINC function. If that somehow could be linked to the checkpointing it truly would be an environmental friendly approach and allow shutdown (instead of standby/hibernation to minimize loss of progress on resume for those who are concerned). The only crunch when 'computer is *not idle* for to long' i think is a great move.

Note to self: Need to check what the parm is named in the global_prefs.xml for manual use in the override file.... don't know if it will become an option in the Local Prefs screens (not in 5.10.27).

Added: The new parm which can be set in the global_prefs_override.xml is called:
<suspend_if_no_recent_input>0.0</suspend_if_no_recent_input>
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Message 13640 - Posted: 7 Nov 2007, 10:17:35 UTC - in response to Message 13637.  
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The BOINC CC does know when a checkpoint is just under construction, so it can treat the application more careful and be more patient with it. An application that is checkpointing will not be paused just while the checkpoint is beeing worked on for example.

Afaik. it does not know the time of the next checkpoint.
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Message 13642 - Posted: 7 Nov 2007, 10:39:03 UTC - in response to Message 13634.  
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But future Boinc versions will possibly be able to shut down the apps just after checkpointing.

Or as it says in DevProjects:

- GUI RPC to tell apps to checkpoint and quit.
- After an applications exits or is killed (for whatever reason) make sure (after a few second delay) that its subprocesses are gone too. Don't restart the job until this happens. Unix: use process groups and killpg().
--- More generally: make a better state machine for shutting down apps: tell them to checkpoint, wait a little, tell them to quit, clean up straggler processes.
- Vista: if get 'about to shut down' msg from OS, stop apps immediately (don't tell them to checkpoint). Investigate.
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Message 14279 - Posted: 12 Dec 2007, 22:37:15 UTC

Perhaps I overlooked it, but when a workunit has returned an error or the workunit has a no-reply result from another cruncher. To validate the result the project will send out another wu. When my machine recieves one of these wu's it has a much shorter deadline and I was curious if there was a way to set a priority in boinc so that these "high priority" wu's are crunched first and take precedence over the wu's that have a standard deadline? Thanks.
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