Posts by Peter Shane

1) Message boards : Questions and problems : Displayed time to complete a project. (Message 88644)
Posted 27 Oct 2018 by Profile Peter Shane
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Than I repeat why do we need a column that states Estimated time etc when it is completely inaccurate accept in a few cases. A start time column would serve a more useful feature as after a few WU's we can see how long it took to complete a WU even though that varies as well but it would be more accurate because you can check the completed time on a wall clock or in your account if need be how long each WU took.

Not sure what you hope to gain out of a start time column. It sounds like you want to know task duration (run time). Well that is provided in your list of results.

It sounds like you want a start time column so you can then subtract the start time from the finish time given in your list of results. That column shows time reported not finish time. And the duration is given in the adjacent column.


To answer some of your specific points jglrogujgv: I think I have illustrated what columns we are talking about. We both agreed what they are doing and they are highly unreliable and in your words impossible to predict. I hope that this reply of mine will be a bit clearer.

The "list of results" as mentioned by you are not in Boinc Manager and has nothing to do with existing columns. But YES, I would like to see accurate run time as in a Wall clock from the start of the Task.

My apologies for not explaining clearly that the "Elapsed Time", "Percentage Completed" and the "Time to Complete" are completely useless. You, seemed to have agreed with me for you have stated that they are impossible to predict. Accordingly, I am simply saying Do Not Include those columns for you can not rely on them as any help. I am only suggesting to include something like a Wall Clock when you have started the WU. If in a few hours I note that the Task have not finished when I have ascertained that the average completion time is 20 minutes, than I can Abort the Tasks as it is costing me money to run it and more than likely it is no use for the project either.

The answer to me is simple. I am running BOINCTasks and I have an option what columns to show. I have opted Not to show those columns. But is that the right solution.? Would it not be a better one if the Devs could come up with a better suggestion than mine. After all, it is only a suggestion and I am seeking peoples point of view..

I hope that clarifies the situation unless I need more clarification I have nothing more to add.
2) Message boards : Projects : SETI might be a was of CPU time (Message 68083)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile Peter Shane
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kgbets, I agree. Can we not think outside the square. For those who prophesies to read a book about physics etc can you guarantee that the words, theory expressed in those books are the truth and nothing but the truth? After all it is the word of the author. But, perhaps you can from our current understanding for it is Scientifically proven fact. Can you guarantee to me that the words in the Koran or the Bible are the written words of GOD or is it just a human interpretation that we as humans hope to believe? We can only hope in our believes and Scientific Proof is our only agreed method to say it is a fact. What if that fact is floored for we have not discovered a more plausible explanation? Should we not keep searching?
3) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Forum Layout (Message 63240)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile Peter Shane
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Grrrrrr

Jord is attempting to tell you that no person who actually develops the BOINC code EVER reads anything posted here.


And do you think that is correct? Than why don't you write to the PMC and tell them if it is not?

If you want to work yourself into a foaming lather posting here you can in "The Lounge" as long as you obey the rules on the left of the post box.


"The Lounge" area is designed as stated: "Meet and great other participants". Do you think that my Critique will reach a lot of members and the PMC? Will my Support question be answered here by the PMC?

If you want something changed in BOINC you have to use the PMC e-mail list.


Please give me the URL for that list, I can not find it.

As to the rest JORD isn't going to create something that makes people think someone is reading it when they aren't!


Jord tells me that he has no authority to change anything, you need to discuss it with David in an email as I am told. It has nothing to do what he thinks. You read minds as well?

Let me be clear. I asked to have a General area designed for the purpose in which participants can discuss BOINC generally like it is offered in any other Forum that I have even known. This has been cripled by David to suit his needs at the time when it was under his control. The Project Adnin has no power to change anything accept to Moderate and hit the Delete button. At least that is what he said to me. I was hoping to discuss this and other matter for this is the time to talk to the New Governing authority to change things to meet users needs that is what Message Boards are designed for and to meet the developers. I do not need negative comments but constructive criticism which we than forward to the Management Committee to help them creating a software in which users also have an input.

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4) Message boards : News : New governance model (Message 63238)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile Peter Shane
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It's of no use to continue asking questions, they will not be answered anyway. You will be ignored. The boinc_admin googlegroup listing is for the discussion of everything BOINC, not for PMC discussions, BOINC changes or god forbid, asking questions and expecting answers.

Nothing has changed, nothing will change. Shrug.


Reference: A. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C6pU5RqidYBxk9oyAevm1yH1tn4Hw27oM8YpvsnR-gg/edit

I agree 100% with that statement Jord.

Your voice have been supported by well respected contributers to the project who stated that it is a waste of time asking questions here, the management will never care to visit it let alone reply to a question.

I have appointed myself as a BOINC Critique for I am not getting the answers that I am seeking and hope to get Community involvment with the aim to improve the image of this Software. This is not easy as we do not have a "General" area in which we as users can discuss BOINC in General. To date we as users have been disregarded. I am not interested in the 97% who do not reply or appear to care for they will have a chance to say something if the venue for discussion is provided. As it is we as "Users" have no usefull venue in which we can discuss anything relating to BOINC for the Forum does not offer such choice where to do so, neither have we an area for "Support". Both of those were promissed to us in reference: A. The BOINC Project Governance that we all supposed to follow was written nearly 3 months ago. I respect that you are all going through a difficult time not being paid and all but we as users have been doing this as Volunteers for years at free time. Currently:

We do not have an effective forum in which we can discuss BOINC in General. The Administrator of the Forum have no power to change the Layout and include an area for "General" Discussion or an area for "Support". It needs to be referred to David Anderson for approval as stated by the Admin of this forum. David in Reference A states that he has no more authority than any other member of the PMC and has indicated that he is busy with other projects. Why are users asked to email David? Should this not be the done by the Project Administrator of the Forum? as is stated by Reference A without being referred to the Chairman and why is it the responsibility to email David direct should a user wishes to have an Area for Discussion..

I am aware that I am again too long in my explanation but all I wish to say to conclude that this is the time for all of us to stand up what we want from this software for to date users were not considered to be necessary. Yet without users you be wasting your time. Please voice your oppinion in the right forum or list, wherever it might be for I can not find the support forum where I might ask a question from the management. If I ask it somewhere else, it will not be answered because as one PMC members stated he will not answer a day to day management question.

Lastly, can somebody tell me where is the PMC list that is open to the public for I can't find it. Does anybody know when will the Governance Document in Reference A will take effect? I ask this because nothing has changed in three months, progress have not been promulgated to the public and questions remains unanswered. I was under the impression that community involvement and consensus included the users and the public. Where is Opennes and Transparency.
5) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Forum Layout (Message 63222)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile Peter Shane
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All (major) changes to anything BOINC (client, GUI, server, other back-end/forum, add-ons etc.) will have to be asked permission for from the PMC, or in the least from David Anderson. This is one of those things you'll have to ask David, in email.



Jord, please clarify you statement. Your reply seems to indicate to me that you as an Administrator of this forum is not permitted to change the layout and create a General Area in which we as users can discuss points of view on BOINC. The only area that is suitable at present to express a point of view is in the "Questions and Problem" sub category. If a user who do not have a question or have any problems are at a loss for there is no "General" area in which he may voice his point of view as is permitted in all Forum Software. Generally, if you are not permitted to say something it is written openly under the Rules of the Software. For example: Swearing is not permitted and other statements relating to illegal activities. You have no such rules or even a Eula to cover yourself in case of litigation. I am aware that this is a modified Forum to suit David, but please be aware of the following:

1. You have been given authority from David to Administer this site, furthermore you are an executive of the Day to Day Management of BOINC and you have been classified as an authorized "Committer" as advertised. David has indicated that he has transitioned the system to a community based one in which he has no more authority as a Chairman than members of the Project Management Committee (PMC). Members of the PMC have stated that that they will not answer questions on a Day to Day Problem. You would be aware of that since they did not answer openly questions that you have submitted to them. Therefore I ask, Is all our problems, questions on layout of the Forum or in deed Day to Day management of the Forum should all be directed to David as you indicate? I understood that such decisions is invested in the "Committer" and in this case the Administrator who is entrusted to manage it? Why is adding a "General Category" a major change that you as Administrator are not permitted to do?

2. Does this mean that in this Forum you are in deed only a Moderator and anything dealing with a change of as simple as a layout must be referred to David who stated that he has transitioned the system to be managed by the PMC for he is not being paid and is busy with other projects. Why are you referring me to the PMC or David when it has been stated that they will not give an answer.? In addition, it is a know fact that David will not answer if it does not suit him for it is not aspected that he can handle thousands of questions from users, I assume that is the reason that he has handed over the running, planning and management to people to help him, I understood you were an appointee to do that.

Please be aware that I intend to keep up my confrontational approach and have no intention to hurt you personal feeling.(Let me call that Colleteral Damage which is a consequences of a good intentioned aim)) I am about offering a critique from a user that perceives that there is no transparency. The use of the BOINC software is designed in such as way as to mislead the public. Until users are acknowledged that they are a critical part of the software I will not aspect statements from a member of the PMC that "users don't need to know" what is happening and where can they offer their point of view. Dividing the system into lots of _lists will only confuse everybody. The management and Documentation should be open for public scrutiny and input instead of hiding facts.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day..
Peter Shane (Cruncher Pete)

A quote fro Jord: (Used to be a single voice that vanished in a crowd. Vague just like a distant sun when hidden by the clouds.
Found a way to surface and to speak my truth aloud. Be powerful. Stand fast and proud."
6) Message boards : Questions and problems : BOINC Forum Layout (Message 63218)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile Peter Shane
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First of all, Please be aware that whilst my BOINC User name is Cruncher Pete [BlackOpsTeam], I consider that it is not suitable to use for it implicates my Team BlackOps. The views I wish to express in this Forum is my own, therefore I Registered my true name to reflect that.

I ask if it would be possible to create and extra Category called: BOINC Critique. The purpose of which could be used to point out likes and dislikes of BOINC with the view to show the Administration that we do care about the system. It should not be used as a flame war but an area where constructive criticism could be aired so that managers of the software could judge our likes and dislikes leading to a better use utilized for planning.

Presently there are lists all over the place covering various aspects of the software. In my opinion this is not ideal as the public at large is not aware what the left or right hand is doing. This is the Official Forum and I suggest the place that should be used as a common interface between the Project Managers and users showing greater awareness. I am not happy to be labelled that users need not know anything as is stated by a member of the Project Management Committee (PMC) neither am I happy that they answer a question from a committer by a question and failing to reply after a reasonable time. One might think that they have never received the querry.

I intend to quizz the PMC to show greater transparency hoping that the result will be a better product. If necessary I will create a website for a user consortium and canvas for developers to create a product that we as users want not the other way around. Personally, the product I am looking for is a software that might be used in a network environment purely for the benefit of Scientific Research. I do not believe that the current system provides that as I intend to demonstrate in future articles.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day..
Peter Shane (Cruncher Pete)



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