Is this a clean installation, or an upgrade installation?
-->If upgrade, did it work on the previous BOINC version?
-->if clean, did you install videocard drivers from the manufacturer, instead of letting Windows handle it?

Does the screen saver work under that account?
Is that account allowed to manage BOINC?
Is that account allowed to run BOINC?

Sorry to be so late replying, other matters commanded my attention.

It was an upgrade to 6.12.26 from 6.10.58. (Was, I uninstalled 6.12.26 and went back to 6.10.58.) No other software changes. No hardware changes.

Everything worked with 6.10.58 and everything could be managed & run from the Power User account.

Everything seemed to work with 6.12.26 except the screen saver. (i.e. the "BOINC Screensaver Diagnostic Error.") Calculations were performed, results reported, etc. The Power User account had write privileges for the relevant directories under 6.10.58. After upgrading to 6.12.26, I gave the Power User write privileges for the same directories as I did under 6.10.58, using a script to change the write privileges. The script had worked for previous upgrades. Now, if 6.12.26 changed the directory structure or directory names, then my script could have missed a directory and that might explain the problem I experienced.

Since 6.10.58 works on my box, resolving this issue now has a very low priority on my list of things to do. I will check back when time permits.

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OK, I am trying to understand this.

I have repeatedly warned tehsluzhbu that my host controller from motives unknown to me disconnect on weekends (when you probably do not have oversight over them).
Make invertivnuyu distribution package (supposedly I have a virus) but on Monday everything falls into place.

I get that you do not have internet in the weekends, but that it works from Monday to Friday, is that correct?
I also get that you seem to have a Linux installation, seeing as you talk about a distribution package of BOINC, is that correct?

If you have a virus, it's most probably a rootkit. In that case http://cayfer.bilkent.edu.tr/~cayfer/linux/Detecting_and_Removing_Rootkits.html may be of use to you.

So that such valuable for tracking of people lost their jobs, I'm blocked. Ask me to communicate only officially: documented through the mail.
So where should I forward correlation.

Who asked you to send the log file? No one here did, or at least not while you used the account you're posting with now. Do you have multiple accounts?
Or did you as for help at Seti and did they ask you to post your messages or something like that?

Because of the fair-haired bespectacled in apartment 90 which ustanovid me against the wall personal proxy business project http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ suspended.

There is no project at that address, you do not have to attach to anything at that address. The address you gave shows the BOINC website. There is no proxy at that address either. If you want to use a proxy, you'll have to use a different one.

And if you try or tried to run BOINC from work, then you would have to ask permission first, before running BOINC. It's the first rule at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Usage_rules:

Run BOINC only on authorized computers

Run BOINC only on computers that you own, or for which you have obtained the owner's permission. Some companies and schools have policies that prohibit using their computers for BOINC-based projects.

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OK, I am trying to understand this...

Do not bother attempting to try to... some new troll, leaving identical traces in various projects, claiming having his roots in:

• Belgium (thigorin - BOINC dev, no team's member (yet?)),
  
• Ireland (Чигорин - SETI@home, Team U. S. ARMY),
  
• Luxembourg (Gugel - QMC@HOME, Team US Navy),
  
• Switzerland (Administrator - ABC@home, Team NATO),
  
• Switzerland (GPUHOV - Enigma@Home, Team SwissTeam.NET)
  

and who knows where else...

Peter

Ah thanks, Pepo.
I'll leave my 'translation' post standing, while we have a conversation what to do about the person behind the posts.

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I also had to create an account to post here.

The newest version of BOINC, 6.12.26, has a notice tab in the advanced view which is seemingly set up to mirror the SETI@home messages from their main page. Unfortunately this is a redundant change as no one updates the front page in a timely manner. Problems with the system are sometimes addressed on the boards or noticed when checking the server status. I feel that the previous versions of BOINC give a bit more detailed info and will drop back to a previous version as soon as I finish this post.

If tabs go back to the original view of earlier versions I'll consider upgrading BOINC, but not before. In other words, don't fix what ain't broke, dude!

In other words, don't fix what ain't broke, dude!

It would also be nice if people actually read the thread they posted in, so they'd know why certain changes were made.

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So sollee you took exception to what I said, Ageless, but I stand on my comments. Personally I don't care for the UI of the newest and bestest beast. It does work out of the box as advertised, but is uglier than sin in my eyes as well as a couple of other's, apparently. Doesn't give info as to possible problems with the deletion of the message tab. The redundancy in the Notice tab is going backwards IMHO. No one blames you for that.

With the Notices tab making periodic checks against the SETI@home site there is also an increased overhead to an already overloaded system. Then again, the admins DO NOT update the front page in a timely manner, instead preferring to utilize the boards. Until the Messages tab comes back, I will continue to use an outdated, and possibly, inefficient version of BOINC as the tools therein are sufficient for my needs.

Hopefully the devs will notice that the users are not happy with the current version and reinstate the Messages tab. I'm not holding my breath, however.

Doesn't give info as to possible problems with the deletion of the message tab.

Messages are still available, they're just in their own window now. Either Advanced->Event log, or press CTRL+SHIFT+E.

With the Notices tab making periodic checks against the SETI@home site there is also an increased overhead to an already overloaded system.

The Seti tasks are still coming down over a 100Mbit data pipeline, which is constantly clogged. These Notices are not fetched through that data pipeline, but through the 1 Gigabit connection that the web site runs through.
The Notices use the RSS procedure to get the info from all projects you're attached to, not just Seti.

Then again, the admins DO NOT update the front page in a timely manner, instead preferring to utilize the boards.

Then the admins will have to be taught of the new way. This is something new for them as well. Don't just trash it over what you've seen happen at Seti alone, there are plenty more projects out there.

Until the Messages tab comes back, I will continue to use an outdated, and possibly, inefficient version of BOINC as the tools therein are sufficient for my needs.

Hopefully the devs will notice that the users are not happy with the current version and reinstate the Messages tab. I'm not holding my breath, however.

"The users".. pretty much generalized. Has everyone else made you their spokesperson, and if so where did that take place? Links please.

You're the second one that makes it look like it's huge numbers of people that don't like the new Manager, while you can't come up with real numbers (let's face it, you're really only talking about yourself). In this thread there's been 3 people (yourself included) saying they didn't like it. On the whole forums, it's been 7 people.

3 of those 7 didn't like the new stripes, which are exactly the same as the old 6.10 stripes and they returned to using their old 6.10, as said with the same stripes. (By the way, if you do not believe me, here's a screen shot of the 6.10.58 + 6.12.32 Managers.)

4 of the 6 didn't like the Notices tab. Yes, I've been keeping numbers since the first person started with his "Many users" comment.

In total it's possibly 15 people who do not like the new BOINC Manager.

How about thinking outside your own boxed in little world for once and consider about how many people BOINC has lost in the past couple of years because they found the messages as threatening? That all they saw was them showing errors? That they just went and deinstalled the software, over misinterpreted messages? That it's nearly impossible to get people like that back? And what if I told you that those numbers are much much higher than you 15 disgruntled people? In the hundreds, thousands perhaps?

Who are you then that you are so important that the developers have to listen to you? Why all the tantrums, why all the (veiled) demands? What have you done (lately) for the BOINC developers? Paid them money? Helped them test the software? Helped them program any part of it?

So go on then, be disgruntled, stay in your little boxed in world. Yes, eventually the messages tab may make a comeback, but I wouldn't expect it to be back any time soon. Not before BOINC 7.4, which is perhaps 5 years into the future.

There's also the option, under Windows at least where that's easy, to run new client with old manager:

Just copy your present boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll to someplace safe, before you install the new version. Then after installing the new version, do not start it up, but exit the installer quietly, then copy your preserved boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll back to the BOINC directory. Overwrite the new versions.

Now start BOINC in your normal fashion.

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For all who leave a rant & complaint and then stomp off back to their old version, consider this:

What's more important?
1. That science be done by as many people as possible, without as much fuss and difficulty, with a program that looks friendly and essentially does everything automatically as long as you let it?

or

2. Your personal opinion about how BOINC should look, how it should do the scheduling of work, which project should be run more than the next and how you can micromanage it to the ground and then complain that it doesn't work & it's broken?

I'd like to think that in the end it is all about the science. And really now, how many hours a week do you actually spend inside BOINC Manager? If your answer is more than a quarter of an hour... You may really need a better hobby. ;-)

Who are you then that you are so important that the developers have to listen to you? Why all the tantrums, why all the (veiled) demands? What have you done (lately) for the BOINC developers? Paid them money? Helped them test the software? Helped them program any part of it?

I'm just a user, Ageless. Just one. You may consider me to be a ranting psychopath but I'm still just one person using software for a purpose. I don't have to use any specific version. And I will surely not use an ughly app when I can have one that is better looking and gives me the info I want when I want it. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. And do the devs collect fees for their work on SETI@home? I'm not qualified to comment on developmental software, anyway, having had no formal schooling in programming except to say that it seems to work or not. (Oh, I do have a book on LSL scripting, but haven't gotten around to reading it, yet.)

As for

Project updates can now be displayed within BOINC Manager by way of notices. You'll know the latest and greatest about what is going on with a project without ever having to open a web browser.

And

Then the admins will have to be taught of the new way.

This is misdirection as no one has told the admins they can't use the boards to post their updates or even that they HAVE to post at all. If this is the BIG change, please see above.

All-in-all, I personally don't care whether you insult the users. I am not convinced to use the 6.12 version. And may I suggest that you read up on customer relations prior to herding cattle in the future? (Your post sure seemed to indicate being red faced apoplexy-wise, y'know.)

Who are you then that you are so important that the developers have to listen to you? Why all the tantrums, why all the (veiled) demands? What have you done (lately) for the BOINC developers? Paid them money? Helped them test the software? Helped them program any part of it?

[Snip]

All-in-all, I personally don't care whether you insult the users. I am not convinced to use the 6.12 version. And may I suggest that you read up on customer relations prior to herding cattle in the future?

And in any case, re-read the posting rules. New arrivals shouldn't have to remind moderators about them.

• No messages intended to annoy or antagonize other people, or to hijack a thread.
• No messages that are deliberately hostile or insulting.

If you are going to hide messages because they "scare" some users and make them quit, what's next? I'm sure some people quit because their computer becomes sluggish when they're playing a game with boinc projects running and others when they see how long some tasks are expected to take. If you hide each feature or bits of information that may "scare" some potential user you will reach a point where you will lose more users who don't like the changes than you keep by making them and the ones you lose will likely be the more experienced, dedicated, and productive. It's easy to lose user trust if you hide too much.

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My two cents: I would like the message tab back, too. And yes, I know where I can find Event Log.

The next version of BOINC is now ready for public use. Check the release notes and version history for details.

thank you Rom Walton and David Anderson for all your work on an excellent software program - BOINC 6.12.26

BOINC 6.12.26 works very well for me.

My BOINC 6.12.26 is now actively running 24 different projects very successfully with no problems.

kept up the good work
Byron

The next version of BOINC is now ready for public use. Check the release notes and version history for details.

thank you Rom Walton and David Anderson for all your work on an excellent software program - BOINC 6.12.26

BOINC 6.12.26 works very well for me.

My BOINC 6.12.26 is now actively running 24 different projects very successfully with no problems.

kept up the good work
Byron

When I tryed it I had the problem that BOINC did not stop runing despite the fact that I had 'Exit' BOINC. I had to use ctrl, Alt, Del. to make it stop runing. Did you had no such experience?

@ Ageless

I really don't know why you take the complaints about the new BOINC manager - which are in my opinion more then legitimate - to a personal level. It is a fact that the new tab order, the complicated access of the messages tab and the different look, which for me means especially the new lines between jobs (and yes, they are there!), is disturbing and annoying for some people (including me). If these are the more advanced users, the worse!

You stated that this different design was done because some less advanced users complained that they were frightened about the message tab. But let me remind you of what you wrote:

And really now, how many hours a week do you actually spend inside BOINC Manager? If your answer is more than a quarter of an hour... You may really need a better hobby. ;-)

This fits even more for the less advanced users, don't you think? And to fix this prob, why not simply put a message after installation that the msg tab is ONLY for advanced users and that noone has to be frightened about its messages? Or, even better, why not let that pop up every time after you started BOINC and clicked for the first time on the msg tab?

You see, there are some simple and different options to resolve the problem.

I for myself (Win XP Pro, AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2 GB RAM) have updated to 6.12.26 and used the trick with the older manager, so it is now 6.10.60 outside and 2.12.16 inside.


Now a word about the "stripes". You posted here
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6611&nowrap=true#38311
that

Now, these have exactly the same stripes and rules. The lower picture may look different, but then that's because of how you sit in front of your monitor. Move your head around, side to side, go look at the pictures from a lower position, etc. This is especially showing that way on LCD, TFT and LED monitors.

First, when they look different, they are different. Second, when they look different - well, that's exactly what people are saying and complaining about, isn't it? Third, I did NOT change my way of sitting in front of my TFT, and I suppose noone of the others did - so it is clearly BOINC's fault. And fourth, as a programmer myself it looks like a graphical flaw to me - maybe in the new code, maybe in the new libraries. But that's your prob to find out and kill that bug....


Which brings me to my last point:

For all who leave a rant & complaint and then stomp off back to their old version, consider this:

What's more important?
1. That science be done by as many people as possible, without as much fuss and difficulty, with a program that looks friendly and essentially does everything automatically as long as you let it?

or

2. Your personal opinion about how BOINC should look, how it should do the scheduling of work, which project should be run more than the next and how you can micromanage it to the ground and then complain that it doesn't work & it's broken?

As for me, both are nearly equal important. Times should be over when you had to cope with a poorly engineered software just to do some science. You know, we all did this at the beginning, and you took some flaws into account for the good thing. But that was YEARS ago, and BOINC and its project softwares have undergone some serious developement since then (with exceptions like uFluids, surely). So this is nothing you should have to deal with nowadays anymore. Moreover, "never touch a running system" - well, you guys did, and that is the outcome. Now don't blame it on us that you screwed up, please!

with the Moderator's permission

a little copy and paste of:

some friendly encouragement and Good thoughts from: Rob Neff (N7ORY) - 2 years ago

:-)

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:59:46 -0600
From: "Rob Neff"
Subject: [boinc_alpha] Developers; Volunteer or otherwise:
To: <boinc_alpha@ssl.berkeley.edu>


Developers; Volunteer or otherwise:

Just showing a little love from an avid user that appreciates your work

and all the time you spend doing it.

You take a lot of things on the cheek and most of it not rightly so.

You're all very sharp and knowledgeable folks that make this project the best to work for.

In the grand scheme of things, the little problems will be squashed,

the big ones will be contained, and all others dealt with appropriately enough.

Knowing perhaps some users might still find fault,

but no one can keep everybody happy all the time.

We have faith and confidence in what you all do for us.

So here's to a great job, and here's to some friendly encouragement

to keep on keeping on.

Good Job guys/gals! We appreciate your hard fought efforts.

They don't go unnoticed.

Rob Neff (N7ORY)

Best Wishes
Byron

Moreover, "never touch a running system"

You can't be serious! Virtually every improvement in our lives has come about because someone was willing to touch a "running system". If forward thinking people had not reinvented the wheel we would be riding on wheels made of wood or stone, like the Flintstones. Instead we now have tubeless, pneumatic radial-ply tires that last a long time and handle and ride much better than their predecessors.

Are you kidding me? I think it is obvious that I meant the user interface, not all the improvements which were made under the hood of BOINC. Sometimes things are so fully developed that there simply is no reasonable further improvement.

Regarding how the messages are now 2 mouse clicks away instead of just 1 mouse click away... anyone who is annoyed by that is simply too easily annoyed. Take a Valium and go find a real problem. Yeesh!

First, I don't take Valium to solve my problems. Second, it is not just the two mouse clicks - the whole msg window changed, it is now unclear and different from the rest of BOINC's manager. That's aside from the extra window which is opened for the messages and crowds my taskbar.

Regarding how the new messages window adds another item to your Task Bar... that's what you get for running an antiquated OS like Windows. You should be running Linux. In Linux the messages item on the task bar is blended into the item for BOINC manager since it is a "child" on the manager. But if you insist on riding on Flintstone wheels then expect a bumpy ride. Get used to it. And don't complain about my Linux superiority attitude unless you want to hear about your lemming attitude. I was almost a lemming once too but the penguin freed me.

Antiquated OS like Windows? Maybe, but at least I don't have to mount and unmount my devices into the system each and every time I want to use them - by the way, that problem was solved by mid-1980s at the AMIGA computer (and others too). Or the very nice and for years and still unresolved problem with Ubuntu and its scanner drivers... or its new desktop without a taskbar....

Don't get my wrong - I prefer Open Source. But until this day I did not found a Linux which gives me the same operability as my Windows 2k and XP... I would change if I would find one.

Regarding the lines some see on grid views.... I hope the devs investigate that and fix it for you if they can.

Regarding Ageless's attitude... yes, he has grown a little feisty lately. Maybe he needs a Valium too :-)

That two points at least we completely agree.