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Message 10076 - Posted: 8 May 2007, 23:07:11 UTC
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OK, I just installed BOINC v5.8.17 on my Mac G4/733, and the graph-related functions appear to work as advertised. Excellent!

But now I have something else for the wish list: put back the rubrication in the Message tab.
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Message 10077 - Posted: 8 May 2007, 23:14:12 UTC - in response to Message 10076.  

But now I have something else for the wish list: put back the rubrication in the Message tab.

sorry, the what?
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Message 10085 - Posted: 9 May 2007, 10:54:21 UTC - in response to Message 10077.  
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But now I have something else for the wish list: put back the rubrication in the Message tab.

sorry, the what?


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Message 10254 - Posted: 14 May 2007, 23:05:57 UTC

I searched around but couldn't find an answer... I have Boinc opening at startup, but I want it to stay just in the sytem tray. It also opens a button on the task bar and I don't want that. How do I keep it from showing there?
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Message 10255 - Posted: 14 May 2007, 23:30:57 UTC - in response to Message 10254.  

See this thread on Einstein: http:// einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=3409
Take out the space in the link... I can't post it in another way as the stupid anti-spam software thinks Einstein is SPAM. ;-)

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Message 10256 - Posted: 15 May 2007, 0:30:48 UTC - in response to Message 10255.  

See this thread on Einstein: http:// einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=3409
Take out the space in the link... I can't post it in another way as the stupid anti-spam software thinks Einstein is SPAM. ;-)



Thank you! I added a '/s' to the path of the startup link and that fixed the problem.
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Message 10401 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 12:28:50 UTC

Feature request..

I want to be able to manually request work from project. For example I have two notebooks, buth just one ethernet wire... so before I go sleep, I request for one notebook about 7 hours of work, from specified, manually selected project, switch wire to second notebook and go satisfied to sleep...

Please this is my problem for about 2 months, which Iam using boinc...


Second feature:

Why is configuration on web? I want to have all my pc's to have different settings about using ram, about resource share and so on. Why it isnt possible? ("just" expand settings for home, for school to settings for computer with id 1234, 1235, 1236....)

If is my second request somewhy stupid, sorry, just explain it to me, and than ignore it.
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Message 10403 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 12:52:48 UTC
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V5.10.x Advanced view will have local override of most of the General preferences settings.
There is nothing regarding resource share as yet since these are set in the project preferences and would require much more complicated programing to control locally. Forced downloads are also problematic as they could mess up both resource share debt balancing and deadline observance of the scheduler.

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Message 10405 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 13:32:07 UTC

I think that is not the alghoritmic problem to compute, which wu to run, also when I manually download some work. When I want to download somethink, than I know, that my pc will serve all wu's till the deadline. I just probably want somethink like local settings of how much wrk to download. I think it is computed from how often to connect to net. (that setting I have at 0.1 per day)

Will it be possible in new boinc client, to override that settings, and cause to download more work to all project, respecting resource share?

PS: where I can learn how about scheduler? (resource share and done work -> from which project to download) I want to know, if my done work is computed by RAC, or total credit. (if scheduler is regulate RAC to fit resource share proportion, or somethink else.)

PPS: thanks for explanation post.
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Message 10407 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 14:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 10405.  

Sorry about the delay in answering. I keep loosing my net connection.

Most of the information about Boinc and the various projects can be found in the unofficial Boinc Wiki.
More specifically
Work Scheduler
Work-Fetch Policy
Resource share is calculated by CPU time allocation.
Resource Share
Version 5.10.x will add a new parameter to control the cache which is presently controlled by the 'Connect to network about every'.
This second parameter will allow setting additional cache of XX days and will be set on the web General preferences as well as the Boinc manager local preference override.

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Message 10408 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 16:02:11 UTC - in response to Message 10407.  


Sorry about the delay in answering. I keep loosing my net connection.


I am not in hurry :-)

citation from http://boinc-wiki.ath.cx/index.php?title=Work-Fetch_Policy :

The Work-Fetch Policy has three modes: no download, download OK, and download required.


I think, that I want to force set on some project the state to "download required". As the wiki says, that this state will ask for task. Ill try to understand the relations between scheduler, fetcher and other parts of boinc daemon and than Ill try to suggest feature request which will be implementable. (excuse my english)
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Message 10409 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 16:23:12 UTC - in response to Message 10408.  
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Sorry about the delay in answering. I keep loosing my net connection.


I am not in hurry :-)

citation from http://boinc-wiki.ath.cx/index.php?title=Work-Fetch_Policy :

The Work-Fetch Policy has three modes: no download, download OK, and download required.


I think, that I want to force set on some project the state to "download required". As the wiki says, that this state will ask for task. Ill try to understand the relations between scheduler, fetcher and other parts of boinc daemon and than Ill try to suggest feature request which will be implementable. (excuse my english)



Those are determined within the CPU scheduler. For now, I think the best idea for you is to increase your connect to interval on the web settings. Try .5 days and see if that gives you enough work. A lot is going to depend on the deadlines for the projects you are running. Projects with shorter deadlines are not going to fetch as much work. I think there's a page in the Wiki listing connect to intervals to use with the different projects to maximize the amount of work that is downloaded. But as this is a global preference, you'll need to pick the smaller of the recommended connect interval as to not block a project from fetching work.

You can also pick projects with longish workunits. Right now Einstein has some bigger ones (I've had them run 24 and 48 hours on a P4 at 2.8 GHz). If you never want to run out of work and you're brave and you're willing to do frequent backups then CPDN will work. But their models can crash if you look at the computer wrong. And they are huge. Almost 4000 hours on a Pentium D at 2.66 GHz. But they have the potential to block work fetch for other projects if the scheduler thinks the model is in deadline trouble (CPDN actually ignore deadlines but the scheduler doesn't know that).
Kathryn :o)
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Message 10410 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 16:41:52 UTC - in response to Message 10408.  
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I think, that I want to force set on some project the state to "download required".

I understand the reasons some people would like this feature. I personally would find it useful for certain projects like Boincsimap which only supply work for the first two weeks of the month. The problem from some project's point of view is that they want some batches of work returned quickly and would prefer to retain control on how much work an individual user can request to the historical ability to accomplish the work in a reasonable time. A demand work button could easily be abused and cause problems for the project. Additionally this would impact the long term debt in a negative fashion and defeat the purpose of resource share allocation.
This feature has been debated on the developers mailing list on several occasions.

PS Don't worry about your English, it is easily understood. These projects being international in scope, we often have to depend on web based translations which sometimes makes it difficult to decipher the posters meaning.
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Message 10495 - Posted: 26 May 2007, 9:41:45 UTC - in response to Message 10410.  

Hi, me again :-)

What about shoving short and longterm debt in projects tab in boinc manager? (I think that it probably is already in new version)

Second idea:

I am crunching also in pc in work. :-) and after leaving the office, I run something like "shutdown -s -f -t 45000". This shutdowns PC after some hours, before new day starts (I dont want to make my chief angry ;). Some projects are than "cuted" in half of work, and if the project havent checkpoints (which should be shown somewhere in manager also) the cpu time is wasted. Some settings like "shutdown pc at 6:00 AM" could help, that the scheduler can plan which wu to run and when.

Just idea with low priority, I think, that the boinc manager have a lot of missing features, which have higher priority...
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Message 10513 - Posted: 27 May 2007, 18:45:33 UTC

Hi

I've got a request, although it might already be available(?) Is it possible to have BOINC only switch between projects once the running project checkpoints? I don't believe it does that at the moment, and I know about 'keep in memory' but a large proportion of the computers must get switched off while a project is part way between checkpoints but still held in memory.
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Message 10514 - Posted: 27 May 2007, 18:53:09 UTC - in response to Message 10513.  

The 5.8.x branch of BOINC waits for an application to checkpoint before making the switch. So on projects where the application doesn't checkpoint at all, it'll run those results from start to beginning without switching.

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Message 10785 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 8:08:57 UTC

Feature request:
Suspending one upload file, not all, example if a project has a problem with upload you can stop it manually
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Message 10790 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 14:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 10785.  
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Feature request:
Suspending one upload file, not all, example if a project has a problem with upload you can stop it manually


This is similar to Ticket #139. I added your version to that ticket. Best bet would be to add your reasons/opinions on why this is a good thing as well.
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Message 10795 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 16:01:30 UTC

When cpdn recently had a prolonged server problem when the servers could not accept intermediate or final file uploads, we advised members to suspend network activity because failed or rejected file uploads can lead to problems later. But this put multi-project crunchers in a difficult position as they were then unable to fetch new work from their other projects. If it had been possible to suspend/disallow selected uploads, it would have been much easier for these multi-project crunchers to keep their computers fully occupied during the problem period.

You might like to quote this sort of situation as an example of why the feature would prove useful.
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Message 10796 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 17:06:57 UTC - in response to Message 10795.  

When cpdn recently had a prolonged server problem when the servers could not accept intermediate or final file uploads, we advised members to suspend network activity because failed or rejected file uploads can lead to problems later. But this put multi-project crunchers in a difficult position as they were then unable to fetch new work from their other projects. If it had been possible to suspend/disallow selected uploads, it would have been much easier for these multi-project crunchers to keep their computers fully occupied during the problem period.

You might like to quote this sort of situation as an example of why the feature would prove useful.


MikeMarsUK submitted the original ticket and that was his support for it. Go ahead Mo. Add your support. You know you want to :-)
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