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Message 37843 - Posted: 17 May 2011, 20:21:03 UTC

The next version of BOINC is now ready for public use. Check the release notes and version history for details.
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Message 37850 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 8:51:16 UTC

Tried to update to new version, and it doesn't give error, but then doesn't work.
Linux x86_64 system. ldd shows messages on libssl and libcrypto. Fedora 14 has openssl. Also, running the manager gave message about libuw_gtk2 something.

Just redownloaded 10.58 and reinstalled it.

Install script should check for theses things, before overwritting old version.

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Message 37854 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 11:31:46 UTC

The "Messages" tab has gone! There's now a "Notices" tab which only shows a message saying there are no notices. The columns in the "Tasks" tab have been reordered. The previously subtle shaded lines across each page are now outlined and horrible to behold. The claimed improvements are only relevant to the Windows and Linux platforms. This release appears to be both pointless and a backward step for Mac users.

Fortunately, reinstalling 6.10.58 proved possible and successful on my G5.


By the way, I had to create a site account in order to post this. It says on the account creation page: NOTE: If you use the BOINC Manager, don't use this form. Just run BOINC, select Add Project, and enter an email address and password.

"Add Project" only exists in BOINC Manager's Simple View. In Advanced View, to which my client's always set, it's called "Attach to project or account manager…". Even though I guessed the latter was what was meant, it proved impossible to create an account here by this means. The note on the account creation page needs to be either removed or corrected.

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Message 37857 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 12:34:49 UTC - in response to Message 37854.  

By the way, I had to create a site account in order to post this. It says on the account creation page: NOTE: If you use the BOINC Manager, don't use this form. Just run BOINC, select Add Project, and enter an email address and password.

"Add Project" only exists in BOINC Manager's Simple View. In Advanced View, to which my client's always set, it's called "Attach to project or account manager…". Even though I guessed the latter was what was meant, it proved impossible to create an account here by this means. The note on the account creation page needs to be either removed or corrected.

The newish "Attach to project or account manager…" is really the same as the oldish "Add Project". The problem with creating an account here using the Manager was, that BOINC dev does not host any crunching project (just message boards) and there is no scheduler listening in to respond... ( the renamed "Server status page" confirms it too :-)

But with the NOTE on the "Create an account" page you are terribly right... It is an oversight which needs to be corrected.

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Message 37858 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 12:57:46 UTC

Create an account note sent to developers.
As for the Add project or account manager, they're called this same in both places and end up in the same place.




When you do not see this, check that your BOINC Manager did indeed update to 6.12.26, in Help->About BOINC Manager.
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Message 37860 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 13:18:08 UTC - in response to Message 37854.  
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The "Messages" tab has gone! There's now a "Notices" tab which only shows a message saying there are no notices.

Your notices will update as soon as your BOINC contacts any of the projects it is attached to and which have a reasonably updated BOINC server software.

Notices will be messages that require a user's attention, or which are (project) news. Things you can do something about, such as a project unable to fetch work --because you chose the wrong application for which there is no work-- will give a Notice.

Things you cannot do anything about, such as Server is down messages, will only show in the Event Log, not in the Notices. The Event Log is where the Messages went to, a separate window with the whole log from BOINC startup. Advanced->Event Log.

The columns in the "Tasks" tab have been reordered.

I liked their order on my 17 inch monitor, as it would mean I could see the tasks their progress easier than earlier, when I would have to scroll. On my 23 inch LED monitor it doesn't really matter. But user-movable columns are coming in BOINC 7, I've heard. So it'll be only temporary.

This release appears to be both pointless and a backward step for Mac users.

There are a lot of invisible changes under the hood as well, e.g. in the CPU and GPU schedulers, which now finally work together and fetch work as they should.

Just because BOINC changed visually, it doesn't mean that's all the developers did for the past 10 months and a bit. :-)
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Message 37863 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 18:47:30 UTC - in response to Message 37860.  

The Event Log is where the Messages went to, a separate window with the whole log from BOINC startup. Advanced->Event Log.

Hey that's really cool. Now I can have the Event Log always open and not need to switch to 'Messages' as I had to before when updating etc.


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Message 37872 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 10:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 37866.  

Tried to update to new version, and it doesn't give error, but then doesn't work.
Linux x86_64 system. ldd shows messages on libssl and libcrypto. Fedora 14 has openssl. Also, running the manager gave message about libuw_gtk2 something.

Just redownloaded 10.58 and reinstalled it.

Install script should check for theses things, before overwritting old version.


I ran into essentially the same problem on Ubuntu 10.10 and Fedora 14. We're talking about the .sh installer downloadable from the BOINC home page, not installation from a package manager.

The client and manager in Berkeley's .sh installer are supposed to be statically compiled so that all shared libraries (.dll's in Windows speak) are included in the binaries. That's so the manager and client will work out of the box on most Linux distros. It appears some libraries were neglected in this release.

Maybe Rom could be informed and perhaps he will fix the problem.


I have the same issue with Ubuntu 11.04. Downloaded and installed the .sh file, then ran run_manager. And... nothing happened! Went back to 6.10.58.
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Message 37877 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 12:29:12 UTC
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For users who do not like the new BOINC Manager, there is really no use for you to go back to an older version, as all the older versions are more broken than this version is.

You can easily run the new BOINC with an older BOINC Manager.

Just copy your present boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll to someplace safe, before you install the new version. Then after installing the new version, do not start it up, but exit the installer quietly, then copy your preserved boincmgr.exe and boinc.dll back to the BOINC directory. Overwrite the new versions.

Now start BOINC in your normal fashion.

(Thanks Claggy :-))
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Message 37885 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 17:34:18 UTC

According to version history page, localization files have been updated one year ago. When will they be updated next time? Or does the new Boinc version contains Finnish?
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Message 37904 - Posted: 20 May 2011, 12:50:49 UTC

I downloaded BOINC 6.12.26 on my SuSE Linux 11.1 but it would not start. Seems that it requires a more recent version of glibc. So I reinstalled BOINC 6.10.58.
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Message 37905 - Posted: 20 May 2011, 14:44:54 UTC

Due to continuous problems with the Linux version not working on up-to-date Linux versions, the development team has temporarily rolled back the Linux and Linux x64 versions to 6.10.58

So what happened during testing then? Nothing, during testing everything worked. But since that time the distro maintainers found it apparently necessary to update a lot of the libraries and things are since that time broken.

This will be fixed with a soon-to-be-released new 6.12 for the Linux groups. It just requires testing by the Linux Alpha testers. Oh, and compiling of course -- which hasn't started yet. No need to look. ;-)
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Message 37906 - Posted: 20 May 2011, 16:06:14 UTC - in response to Message 37843.  

I'm experiencing trouble with BOINC 6.12.26 (x86) on WinXP SP3. The BOINC screensaver fails to run for a Power User account. I repeatedly receive "BOINC Screensaver Diagnostic Error." Everything else seems to work OK.

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Message 37908 - Posted: 20 May 2011, 16:19:54 UTC - in response to Message 37906.  

Is this a clean installation, or an upgrade installation?
-->If upgrade, did it work on the previous BOINC version?
-->if clean, did you install videocard drivers from the manufacturer, instead of letting Windows handle it?

Does the screen saver work under that account?
Is that account allowed to manage BOINC?
Is that account allowed to run BOINC?
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Message 37932 - Posted: 22 May 2011, 13:09:03 UTC - in response to Message 37908.  

I essentially got the same problem on Win 7 SP 1, see Message 37931. I updated from boincmgr 6.10.60 to 6.12.26 and now the issue is there. Used to work fine with the older version. I selected the option to let all users manage BOINC during install, but I do not know what you mean by "run" on that account.

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Message 37933 - Posted: 22 May 2011, 14:17:31 UTC - in response to Message 37932.  
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I can not reproduce.

So far, I have tested, log off on main account, switch to BOINC account to test, then:

1) Run with boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute, BOINC is running all the time. --> No problems, no errors.

2) Run without boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute. BOINC is running all the time. --> No problems, no errors.

3) Run with boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute, BOINC is set to start after 2 minutes of idle time. -> After a minute of the BOINC screen saver telling me BOINC is idle, no tasks are running, BOINC kicks in and I see for part of a second a screen that tells me there is a problem with the BOINC screen saver, before the project screen saver (Einstein) kicks in and takes over. With this, no problems, no errors.

4) Run without boinctray.exe, set screen saver to start in 1 minute, BOINC is set to start after 2 minutes of idle time. -> After a minute of the BOINC screen saver telling me BOINC is idle, no tasks are running, BOINC kicks in and I see for part of a second a screen that tells me there is a problem with the BOINC screen saver, before the project screen saver (Einstein) kicks in and takes over. With this, no problems, no errors.

Installation type: Not a service, public installation.
I'm not running any CUDA or CAL or OpenCL on my videocard's GPU.

So, the only things I can think of for getting an error message are:
1) No permission to run BOINC on that account.
2) Your BOINC is set to do work on the GPU. Unless you have multiple GBs of memory on the videocard, don't do that.
3) Your BOINC is set to do work after more minutes than it takes for the screen saver to kick in. (Possible?)
4) The project you run doesn't have a screen saver, plus you have a longer wait time for BOINC to start than the screen saver did.

There's probably more.

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.
ATI HD4850, Catalysts 11.3
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Message 37934 - Posted: 22 May 2011, 14:44:30 UTC - in response to Message 37933.  

For me the symptoms with any non-admin account are like this:
1) after logon as soon as boinctray attaches the error message appears
2) if I call up the screensaver prefs the error message appears
3) if I change the screensaver prefs the error message appears
4) if I save the screensaver prefs the error message appears
5) BOINC is set to start after 1min idle time and I see it running in the manager, screensaver is set to kick in after 2 or more minutes of idle time the error message appears as soon as that time is up, but screensaver does not come on, only the message box stays. Of course as soon as you click OK in it the screensaver does not come on anyway.

But as I said before, it used to work on the older versions of manager. I will try re-installation.

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Message 37935 - Posted: 22 May 2011, 15:13:57 UTC - in response to Message 37934.  

I now reverted back to 6.10.60 after several clean installations of both this older version and the newer 6.12.26. The newer always shows this problem, the older never.
And no, I am not using the GPU.

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Message 37946 - Posted: 23 May 2011, 7:21:30 UTC

After installing 6.12 i missed the messages tab and all the project/task information was mixed up.....
The preferences is still the same but moved....

please don't fix what is not broken.....

I now run 6.10.60 again

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Message 37947 - Posted: 23 May 2011, 7:44:07 UTC - in response to Message 37946.  
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This will not be changed again in a future version, albeit that perhaps, very maybe, a messages tab will come back in a future version of BOINC, but don't hold me or the developers to that for saying that.

Notices are explained in my post here.
The columns in Tasks changed as per Loki Clock's request on the BOINC_Dev email list.

I liked how a friend of mine on Seti explained the Messages window to the people there, let me copy his posts over:
OzzF4|\| wrote:
Moral of the story: Remember, we all started using BOINC, which was someone else's idea to begin with. Many people criticized the software for being too "geeky", and that criticism sticks to this day. If the Messages tab wasn't a tab to begin with, would we still be having this argument today? I see nothing wrong with the developers trying to give BOINC a more universal appeal to attract more users for the projects, even if that means our techy messages needs to be buried a little deeper to prevent it from scaring some people.

If we all truly believe in distributed computing, and that every CPU on every platform in every device should be spending their spare cycles crunching for science to further mankind, then this is the right path to follow.


OzzF4|\| wrote:
BilBg wrote:
For me "the right path to follow" is: give options to the users!

The problem is not with the new default look - The problem is that it is the only look.

The only people that are asking for options are the advanced users, which are a minority of users.

Then, many of us advanced users help out over in Q&A and often we'll end up telling the user to "unhide" the Messages Tab and tell us what's in there, which means they'll leave the Messages tab unhidden after they've received help. Then we're back at square one of users seeing the Messages tab and being able to misinterpret informative messages as errors.

People abuse options they're given. People have the option of setting up to 20 days of cache even though this messes with the BOINC scheduler, yet people do it anyway, then they complain that BOINC is broken.


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