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Message 25560 - Posted: 20 Jun 2009, 6:20:36 UTC - in response to Message 25558.  

Thanks I will add this one to the 85C list, so others don't have the same problem.
The new version will have an emergency throttle that start throttling all running programs when the normal throttling doesn't help enough.


That sounds like it should do the job!
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Message 25787 - Posted: 29 Jun 2009, 12:12:55 UTC - in response to Message 25560.  

The new version 1.62 is out, with the help of a lot of testers and translators.

A general throttle, that at a set temperature, not only throttles BOINC but everything else on the computer.
If everything fails the computer can be shutdown automatically and send an E-Mail that it did.
A small window that holds all temperatures can be placed anywhere on the desktop.
And some bug fixes as well, so an update to this version is recommended.
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Message 25788 - Posted: 29 Jun 2009, 12:34:28 UTC - in response to Message 25787.  

I doubt my CPU temperature is 0 Celsius... according to motherboard monitor it's approaching 72C, so I may assume that your program doesn't detect temperatures on older systems? (Pentium 4 on an Asus mobo).
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Message 25789 - Posted: 29 Jun 2009, 12:50:40 UTC - in response to Message 25788.  

I doubt my CPU temperature is 0 Celsius... according to motherboard monitor it's approaching 72C, so I may assume that your program doesn't detect temperatures on older systems? (Pentium 4 on an Asus mobo).

Your assumption is correct, only processors with a build in temperature sensor AND build in converter are supported. For the temperature part that is.
If you don't see something like this in the log: Core Temperature: 57 °C, Raw Data: 882B0000 it won't work.
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Message 25790 - Posted: 29 Jun 2009, 13:02:24 UTC - in response to Message 25789.  

Do you intend to add such support in some future?
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Message 25791 - Posted: 29 Jun 2009, 13:08:49 UTC - in response to Message 25790.  

Do you intend to add such support in some future?

No it is simple too much work. And you are a dying breed, no disrespect intended of course. All processors are equipped with this feature for a couple of years now. So the number that doesn't work will dwindle quite fast. So it doesn't make much sense to spend months of work on this.
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Message 25813 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 13:13:27 UTC - in response to Message 22392.  

One for Fred:

In 1.6 and up there is the little temp mini window which one can conveniently park on an edge and then get rid of e.g. CoreTemp in the systray, one less utility less. Could it be eating substantial graphics resources? Started to have problems switching between various drawing and image editing apps and getting beeps and loss of image when pasting, just blank frames when pasting. When switching tasks it actually says TThrottle Chart Window in the selection screen, but is just the little temp line. When the little temp frame is disabled, the phenomena does not show and all works as what I'm used to.

PS, noticed in the English localisation the 'Running' is now with 2 N's not 3 :D
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Message 25814 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 13:31:19 UTC - in response to Message 25813.  
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One for Fred:

In 1.6 and up there is the little temp mini window which one can conveniently park on an edge and then get rid of e.g. CoreTemp in the systray, one less utility less. Could it be eating substantial graphics resources? Started to have problems switching between various drawing and image editing apps and getting beeps and loss of image when pasting, just blank frames when pasting. When switching tasks it actually says TThrottle Chart Window in the selection screen, but is just the little temp line. When the little temp frame is disabled, the phenomena does not show and all works as what I'm used to.

PS, noticed in the English localisation the 'Running' is now with 2 N's not 3 :D

Strange.. the little window is actually a dialog. And it is always there, when you uncheck it, all it does is hide itself. So it should not make any difference whatsoever. I have a number of computers 24/7, but I take another look at it.
You use the English version?
And the temperature window is still visible when you switch task where it should not be, have to change that.

runnning, finally someone mentioned it to me...
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Message 25815 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 14:01:44 UTC - in response to Message 25814.  
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Well it has remained for days and multiple boots and only today the penny fell when doing the Alt-Tab rather than switching front app via the start bar and seeing 3 windows instead of the 2 I had open. Definitely says Throttle Graphics Window in the english interface. This is XP btw. The window is gone for the alt-tab sequence when the temps are hidden. Explicitly I unticked also the enable graphic making sure it was not eating resource.

By design or not, when that enable box is blank and hitting the scalable graphics, then closing it, ticks the box again. Should that be? I'd Prefer not.

runnning, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=3517&nowrap=true#24850 ;>)

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Message 25816 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 16:16:16 UTC - in response to Message 25815.  

1) Well it has remained for days and multiple boots and only today the penny fell when doing the Alt-Tab rather than switching front app via the start bar and seeing 3 windows instead of the 2 I had open. Definitely says Throttle Graphics Window in the english interface. This is XP btw. The window is gone for the alt-tab sequence when the temps are hidden. Explicitly I unticked also the enable graphic making sure it was not eating resource.

2) By design or not, when that enable box is blank and hitting the scalable graphics, then closing it, ticks the box again. Should that be? I'd Prefer not.

runnning, http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=3517&nowrap=true#24850 ;>)

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1)I think I found something that may cause a very small buildup of resources over a long time.
I will correct this possible problem in the next release. Thanks for reporting.

2) Is by design, because why would you want the graph if it is disabled?
And disabled it doesn't draw anything.
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Message 25817 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 16:19:55 UTC - in response to Message 25816.  

This version should solve all your problems.
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Message 25820 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 19:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 25817.  

On Echo, at the right frequency, yep, been running for hours with this beta now and the issue has not recurred and nicely the tab window gone too.
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Message 25821 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 20:30:22 UTC - in response to Message 25820.  

On Echo, at the right frequency, yep, been running for hours with this beta now and the issue has not recurred and nicely the tab window gone too.
Nice, these problems are hard to find, but your report gave me the right idea where to look.
We do some translations, and make this a new release in a couple of days.
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Message 26318 - Posted: 28 Jul 2009, 17:58:16 UTC - in response to Message 25821.  

Hi Fred,

Great software actually!

The latest version works perfectly on my 3400+ (but OS Win 32 bits).

What surprises me is that the regulation doesn't "waste" a lot of cpu power. The CPU cools down quickly so spends most of the time at 99%, even when the limit is very low (I set it to 52 °C).

I noticed no bug so far, after testing and playing with the software for an hour. I'll do the test you asked for in the documentation and will send you the result.

Kindest regards
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Message 26576 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 11:39:00 UTC

I did something wrong? it seems on my notebook it can't slow down seti apps.
look on attached screenshot...


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Message 26577 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 12:01:34 UTC - in response to Message 26576.  

I did something wrong? it seems on my notebook it can't slow down seti apps.
look on attached screenshot...


I see the apps running as boinc_master. Normally they run as:

boinc_projects (service) or as current user.
I don't know why your computer is running the apps as boinc_master.
Probably TThrottle is not allowed to access that group.

But installing BOINC default, that is the apps runs as current user, will be the best way. More so because BOINC and TThrottle will start at about the same time.

Another solution may be, make the current user part of the boinc_master group.
Or give the current user access to the boinc projects directory.
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Message 26578 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 12:09:31 UTC - in response to Message 26577.  
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Thanks, will try.
Maybe it's worth to add some message to log about TThrottle was unable to get access for debug purposes?

BTW, I see very interesting temperature graph now:

Is it notebook's own temperature regulation or what?...

[First down - I disable boinc for awhile, all others - I did nothing at all...]
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Message 26579 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 12:22:13 UTC - in response to Message 26578.  

Thanks, will try.
Maybe it's worth to add some message to log about TThrottle was unable to get access for debug purposes?

BTW, I see very interesting temperature graph now:

Is it notebook's own temperature regulation or what?...

[First down - I disable boinc for awhile, all others - I did nothing at all...]

It's the temperature graph of the two cores. Press on Scalable graph, for a larger graph with more settings.
In that graph you can see the regulation as well. Last drop-down box second selection.
Yes I could do some checking, but extra checking makes things a lot slower
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Message 26580 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 12:29:25 UTC - in response to Message 26579.  
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I meant, why at constant load (only boinc active, and 100% of time active now) temperature graph has zig-zag form?
T can't go higher than 91C, if it reaches 91C it drops to ~78C and begin slow rise again.
May it be motherboard's/CPU own temperature regulation?
Graph update:

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Message 26581 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 12:37:49 UTC - in response to Message 26580.  

I meant, why at constant load (only boinc active, and 100% of time active now) temperature graph has zig-zag form?
T can't go higher than 91C, if it reaches 91C it drops to ~78C and begin slow rise again.
May it be motherboard's/CPU own temperature regulation?

When TThrottle says 100% is is completely deactivated. Boinc build in throttle is not working I guess? And 90C may very well be the build in temperature regulator of computer. That will probably slow down the computer and slowly regulates back up. Most likely it reads the case of the CPU (other sensor) that is a lot slower.

Setting TThrottle a bit below this temperature and activate.
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