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Message 66779 - Posted: 11 Jan 2016, 21:04:17 UTC

How can I learn which research projects have been created to utilize a 64 bit ARM CPU?

Are there any research projects at World Community Grid that can do this?
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Message 66785 - Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 5:21:26 UTC

WCG currently has an ARM/Android app for Outsmart Ebola Together, though I'm not sure it it's 32 or 64-bit.
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Message 66790 - Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 13:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 66785.  

Thanks noderaser.

I'm not sure how to see whether Outsmart Ebola Together is 32 or 64 bit.
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Message 66792 - Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 15:07:27 UTC - in response to Message 66790.  

Best ask them then: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/listthreads?forum=640
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Message 66799 - Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 17:40:15 UTC

Right, but I am looking to identify any 64 bit Android applications, not just the ones at World Community Grid.
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Message 67070 - Posted: 22 Jan 2016, 3:59:34 UTC
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I've not heard any word of 64bit Android apps yet as the market has very few devices using 64bit OS's. Since Android devices are still a huge minority in the DC world, the odds of compiling another application to support are slim. We still only have a few projects supporting x86 processors running on Android. I would love to see a 64bit x86/x64 Android OS tested in the field with a BOINC app. However, with the Android version of BOINC getting little development at this point, one of the major advantages I saw in it is gone. That was the auto update capability using the app store. Android would be a much simpler Linux distro for non-Linux types to pick up and use as long as GPU support wasn't their focus.

Edit: I plan on giving this a test at some point soon and hope that the current x86 apps work on it. In the past, I just use a VM for testing.
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Message 67174 - Posted: 25 Jan 2016, 15:37:11 UTC

Thanks Coleslaw!

That was helpful.
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Message 67787 - Posted: 16 Feb 2016, 14:39:49 UTC - in response to Message 66779.  

I just got an Asus 8 Android tablet that has an Intel Atom Z3530 (64-bit) that I'm having trouble getting projects that work [error is usually: "_("This project doesn't support computers of this type")x86-android-linux-gnu" ]

I have the latest v7.4.41. Seti@home is the only one that works. Any suggestions or should I just wait for a version that will support it?
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Message 67788 - Posted: 16 Feb 2016, 15:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 67787.  

BOINC is only the managing program, and since you're running it already on your device, you'll find it is supported.

To be able to do science however, you need a science application made by the project and not all projects have science applications for Android or all kinds of processors, maybe because the CPU architecture isn't right for their calculations, or just because they don't have time and money to invest in developing for all kinds of CPUs.

That is what the message means: the project has no science application available for this type of processor or this type of operating system.

You can check in the http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php list which projects support Android. Then you'll have to check those projects their Applications listing to see if your CPU is supported.

E.g. http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/apps.php supports both the PIE and non-PIE Android running on an ARM CPU. PIE is Android 5.0 and above, non-PIE is Android 4.4 and below, where PIE stands for Position-Independent Executables.

Most projects have a link to their applications page from their front page.
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Message 67792 - Posted: 16 Feb 2016, 16:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 67788.  

Thanks very much, Ageless!
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Message 67820 - Posted: 16 Feb 2016, 21:05:34 UTC - in response to Message 67788.  

Upon trying add'l projects, I'm still not having any success other than SETI. I should clarify that I have an 64-bit Intel chip (+Android 5.0), not ARM. My bad for posting the question on an ARM thread. If there are add'l suggestions, please share.
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Message 67824 - Posted: 16 Feb 2016, 21:12:45 UTC - in response to Message 67820.  

If you have the knowledge and the projects you try to run are open source, you could try building their applications yourself, for your Android device with an Intel CPU.
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Message 67827 - Posted: 16 Feb 2016, 21:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 67820.  

If you go to the Projects page and hover mouse over the details link you'll get a list of platforms the project supports. You are looking for a platform that has android and x86/intel in the name. There isn't many to choose from.
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Message 67894 - Posted: 20 Feb 2016, 4:06:39 UTC - in response to Message 67820.  

Upon trying add'l projects, I'm still not having any success other than SETI. I should clarify that I have an 64-bit Intel chip (+Android 5.0), not ARM. My bad for posting the question on an ARM thread. If there are add'l suggestions, please share.


Paul V, have you tried Collatz and WUProp? WUProp would require at least one other BOINC project running. Collatz has had an x86 Android app for a while. However, I have not ran it for a while.
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Message 68218 - Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 17:28:34 UTC

In a nutshell

ARMv7 and below = 32bits

New ARMv8 = 64bits
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