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Message 39568 - Posted: 11 Aug 2011, 7:19:35 UTC

There is some sort of bug preventing me from attaching to some new projects and believe the problem lies somewhere in a Users identification with a Team across multiple projects when one has selected to automatically link all new projects to a team. It is as though the projects I attempt to attach to assumes I belong to all BOINC projects and therefore returns the errors below and the project I wish to attach to assumes I have already joined that project...though I cannot login with those user credentials to the projects website. So I've tried creating the account at the web site and attaching within BOIN both with similar results.

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An account with that email address already exists and has a different password than the one you entered
please vistit the projects web site and follow the instructions there.
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From the Project's Website I get a similar error.

Can't create account
There's already an account with that email address.
Click your browser's Back button to try again.
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Message 39569 - Posted: 11 Aug 2011, 7:32:36 UTC - in response to Message 39568.  
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If you are a Team Founder and you registered your team through BOINC Wide Teams (BWT), it is possible that these projects have imported your team. In that case your account has already been made on these projects, but you can't log in until you add your own password to them.

Here's how you do that:
Go to any of these project's their log in page and click the small blue "Forgot password?" link. This will put you on a page where you can either fill in your email address or the project account key. Since you won't have the latter, as you aren't attached, we use the email option. Fill in the email address with which you registered your account at BWT or this project. An email will be sent to this email address, so go there.

When logged in on the email address and having received the email (also check your spam folders in case the email doesn't seem to come in within a couple of minutes), click the link in the email. This is a temporary -24 hour- log-in link for that project only. You arrive in your account on that project and can now set a password and save that. Then you can attach to that project using that email address and that password.

You will have to do this for all the projects you have this problem with.

If you aren't a Team Founder, you can still use the above method to log in on your account.
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Message 39570 - Posted: 11 Aug 2011, 7:44:25 UTC - in response to Message 39569.  
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Thanks for the reply, I recall now having had to do that before to get a project back into BOINC, just recently in fact as this is a new Win7 re-install.

Thought I'd fill my project list with one more so I don't have an empty space in my graphs.
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Message 39604 - Posted: 12 Aug 2011, 2:52:56 UTC - in response to Message 39569.  

I have the same problem with ALL accounts that were crested when my team was imported. It would seem to me that if the team information was being used to create the account, then the team password would be used? Two projects - AQUA and FreeHAL, aren't returning the email from the 'lost password' link, so I'm effectively locked out of those projects forever.

If I can make a few suggestions,

1 - Don't allow the project server to automatically create a user account,

2 - Provide some authenticator to he team founder that can be used as a substitute for the email address for situations like this,

3 - Provide an option on the BOINC-wide team website to NOT automatically create accounts,

4 - Provide an option on the BOINC-wide team website to 'Use this password for automatically created accounts',

5 - Provide the option to delete accounts where the team founder has not yet attached to the project.

It's a little less than encouraging to find that you can't log into an account on a project that you've never attached to because an account was created in your name with a mystery password.

What can be done about these automatically created accounts that I can't access?
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Message 39609 - Posted: 12 Aug 2011, 4:33:17 UTC - in response to Message 39604.  
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It would seem to me that if the team information was being used to create the account, then the team password would be used?

They can't do that as not only is the import done over unsecured channels, the actual file can even be read by people who merely go to BWT and download it, which is why the advice is to use an email address that isn't your main email address, in case of spammers. Plus this file is afterwards quite regularly imported again by the projects using it, to make sure newer additions are added and changes you may have made to your team advert through BWT are imported.

No passwords are hurt by sending them unprepared to the projects.

1 - Don't allow the project server to automatically create a user account

How do you make a team account, without a Founder account? How do you make a Founder account without the user account? So this can't be done.

2 - Provide some authenticator to he team founder that can be used as a substitute for the email address for situations like this

One authenticator for all projects? Not very secure. Besides, you're probably dealing with a spam filter. Check in there first.

3 - Provide an option on the BOINC-wide team website to NOT automatically create accounts

Again, without a (user) account, no Team Founder account can be made, thus no Team can be made. Or else anyone on or off the team can easily claim they're the Founder.

4 - Provide an option on the BOINC-wide team website to 'Use this password for automatically created accounts'

Again, there's no password used or submitted to the projects as the file & connection used aren't secure.

5 - Provide the option to delete accounts where the team founder has not yet attached to the project

Checked http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/delete_account.php yet?
But you probably meant at the project. Now how is a project to know that the account you are trying to delete is yours?
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Message 39638 - Posted: 12 Aug 2011, 22:03:38 UTC - in response to Message 39609.  

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post! Being a hobby style programmer, not professional by any means, I understand the magnitude of a project the size of BOINC, and getting everything to run smoothly. I have a few ideas that hopefully may be helpful, but as you are aware, putting thoughts on paper can be a traumatic experience at times. :-) Anyways...

[quote]It would seem to me that if the team information was being used to create the account, then the team password would be used?

They can't do that as not only is the import done over unsecured channels, the actual file can even be read by people who merely go to BWT and download it, which is why the advice is to use an email address that isn't your main email address, in case of spammers. Plus this file is afterwards quite regularly imported again by the projects using it, to make sure newer additions are added and changes you may have made to your team advert through BWT are imported.

> ---- David Anderson<davea@ssl.berkeley.edu> wrote:
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>Accounts are created with the password you used on the
>BOINC-wide teams site.
>-- David


No passwords are hurt by sending them unprepared to the projects.

2 - Provide some authenticator to he team founder that can be used as a substitute for the email address for situations like this

One authenticator for all projects? Not very secure. Besides, you're probably dealing with a spam filter. Check in there first.

One authenticator for all accounts, the same thing as the CPID at BOINCStats that accesses user information on all of that users accounts. For the spam filter:

ru4me69717@aol.com Re:.. 08/12/2011 05:40 PM 2 K
Max-Gentleman Max-Gentleman*Enlargement*Pills 08/12/2011 04:56 PM 3 K
sethfive@aol.com [no subject] 08/10/2011 03:36 AM 2 K
sethfive@aol.com [no subject] 08/09/2011 05:17 AM 2 K
sethfive@aol.com desvignes 08/09/2011 12:38 AM 3 K
sethfive@aol.com [no subject] 08/08/2011 12:41 PM 2 K
sethfive@aol.com [no subject] 08/07/2011 10:13 AM 2 K
ru4me69717@aol.com [no subject] 08/07/2011 07:52 AM 2 K
ru4me69717@aol.com [no subject] 08/03/2011 02:34 AM 2 K
ru4me69717@aol.com Re: 08/03/2011 12:28 AM 2 K
ru4me69717@aol.com [no subject] 08/02/2011 04:49 PM 2 K
sethfive@aol.com artlark 08/02/2011 10:34 AM 4 K
sethfive@aol.com debannjohn 08/01/2011 06:48 PM 4 K

Nothing from AQUA or FreeHAL. I've been making two or three 'lost password' requests per day since July 16 with no response from them.

> ---- David Anderson<davea@ssl.berkeley.edu> wrote:
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>I got the same response when I tried it.
>FreeHAL apparently has an email server configuration problem.
>-- David

I'm still trying to properly digest the information you provided on the other issues. After I get to recover from a hard day at work, a headache, and grandkids being loud, I'll try to gather my thoughts and try to continue.

Thanks again!
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Message 39639 - Posted: 12 Aug 2011, 23:04:37 UTC - in response to Message 39638.  
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> ---- David Anderson<dave>> wrote:
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>Accounts are created with the password you used on the
>BOINC-wide teams site.
>-- David

David is wrong.

Besides, it even says it on the BWT page: "Your password and/or profile are NOT copied to other projects. To access your account on other projects, you must get your account key via email. You can then set your password." & "Only team owner accounts are copied to other projects."
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Message 39714 - Posted: 18 Aug 2011, 22:12:54 UTC - in response to Message 39639.  

I have another project that's not returning the lost password emails... ABC@home. I'm locked out of that on also.
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