Posts by Aaron Finney

1) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Windows Defender is stopping BOINC at startup (Message 10253)
Posted 14 May 2007 by Aaron Finney
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I was sent a link to this thread because I am running Boinc with Defender both in Vista. I have recently updated Boinc to 5.8.16 and Boinc still auto starts just fine in Vista. I have UAC disabled,run as admin and have Boinc set as single with launch at boot enabled.
As far as Vista as an OS, I think its faster and more stable than XP, runs all my peripherals just fine, just had to find some of the new drivers but that was 2 mos ago and I think most mfg. have them now. I recommend doing an upgrade (ya ya ya upgrade)because Vista only stores your XP settings, wipes all the XP files then reinstalls Vista, sets up using your XP settings and everything should work ok.


Yes, as I noted earlier, I did not experience this problem until I migrated to 5.9.10, but thank you for the continued affirmation that this problem doesn't exist in 5.8.16. Have you tried version 5.9.10 as this is the version of client this problem seems to exist in for me?

I won't be able to get to my Vista machine until later tonight, but I will have to look into what 'User account control' really means. If I am correct in my current understanding of the term, Perhaps we will have to have the BOINC Manager installed into the all users folder, rather than the current user folder to avert this problem for users who have the default setting of having UAC on?

Also - are you running a service install? Is it 32-bit or 64-bit Vista?
2) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Windows Defender is stopping BOINC at startup (Message 10220)
Posted 13 May 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Ageless - To clarify, I have this problem also, and I did not have this problem prior to upgrading to 5.9.10.

This is definately a problem with 5.9.xx, as it worked without making Windows Defender pop up before 5.9.xx.

This is my opinion - Windows Defender is by default now telling users that BOINC Manager is potentially bad for you. I know better, YOU know better, most of us here know better - The problem is, that there is going to be some unsuspecting chap who installs this and sees this message and decides that this BOINC stuff isn't all that great, and he doesn't have the time or the desire to find out more about it.

BOINC Manager should not be getting stopped by Windows Defender. Period. Fix this before an official release.
3) Message boards : BOINC client : Request: Automatic Purge Function (Message 10219)
Posted 13 May 2007 by Aaron Finney
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A long time ago, I suggested a way for the client to 'request' an extended deadline for workunits that have exceeded their deadline.

It was shot down since (at the time) there were far far larger things on the plate for poor david and rom who were probably very very overworked.

I'll go through my projects mailing list and see if I can find it, but the suggestion would have been many months ago. I'll try and summarize, but the original suggestion was a very well thought out email.

Suggestion (with only minor details, again this is off the top of my head of what I can remember.)

When a workunit is nearing it's due date/time, there should be some method for BOINC to contact the project for the suggested workunits and request an extended deadline. This is much more beneficial than having the workunit crunched an extra once or twice, and possibly validated even later.

Addendum 1 - 'workunit tag for threshold timer' There needs to be a tag in the workunits or attached to the workunits so that the boinc client knows at what point to either A:Ask for more time;B:Abort the workunit;C:Do nothing.

Addendum 2 - 'server setting for functionality' There needs to be some setting or string server side to enable or disable this function.

Addendum 3 - 'Server side setting for threshold' If Enabled, there needs to be a server side setting for the threshold time in minutes before deadline.

Addendum 4 - 'Allowance for computers that may not be on during threshold period' If the computer in question is offline during the entire threshold time and comes online after the workunits are already 'overdue' then there needs to be some method for the computer to check to see if the workunits in question have already been given out already. See addendum 5.

Addendum 5 - 'Server response to entension request' The server should be able to reply to a request to extend workunit time intelligently. First, it needs to determine if a workunit has already been given again to an additional computer (see addendum 4) If so, then the request should be denied. Second, if it has not been given to another computer, there should be a check to see if the quorum has already been reached. If so, the request should be denied. The only situation where the request should be granted IMHO is if the workunit has not been redirected and sent to a new host already, and a quorum has not been reached.

Addendum 6 - 'client side reaction to extension denial' - Any workunit extension denial should result in the workunit being aborted.

Addendum 7 - 'Server response to extra workunit generation' Any extra workunits that have been generated due to workunits passing their deadline, but that have not been sent to a new host when an extension request is requested for the late workunit in question, should be deleted and *NOT* sent to a new computer.

Explanation : Granted, I know poorly little about the actual behavior of the stuff under the hood of BOINC, but I think I know enough about it to be able to get my point and ideas across to those that do. This would be a nice feature to add to BOINC, and possibly could be slated for the new version 6 so that just simply a graphics API isn't the only improvement between major version releases :-D

I will post this again to the BOINC ALPHA list, and see if it generates positive response from ROM or David.
4) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc 5.9.4 - Windows x64? (Message 9948)
Posted 30 Apr 2007 by Aaron Finney
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AMD called its architecture set x86-64 first and only later, after Intel had its own 64bit version, it renamed to AMD64. Soon thereafter Intel changed its architecture name to Intel64.

Wrong. AMD renamed x86-64 AMD64 months before Intel came out with IA32E, nay, EM64T, nay, Intel64, a copy of AMD64.


x86-64 is the accepted term for the technology. Intel does not use AMD64, Intel uses INTEL64. AMD does not use INTEL64, it uses AMD64.

x86-64 is how you coin both implementations at once since they are compatible with one another.

The projects blundered when they went with AMD64. They now have to pay the price and rename the tags.
5) Message boards : BOINC client : I am terrified by a PS3 Core Client (Message 9759)
Posted 21 Apr 2007 by Aaron Finney
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If there is ever a core PS3 client...

I'm going to become very very poor, very very quick.


Saw a link to www.ps3grid.org or something similar.... have a look.

How poor is poor when the European Union standard price is 599 Euro.... without anything.


I think I could afford 20-30 of them.
6) Message boards : BOINC client : I am terrified by a PS3 Core Client (Message 9742)
Posted 21 Apr 2007 by Aaron Finney
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If there is ever a core PS3 client...

I'm going to become very very poor, very very quick.
7) Message boards : BOINC client : Boinc 5.9.4 - Windows x64? (Message 9741)
Posted 21 Apr 2007 by Aaron Finney
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I just noticed that this was added recently...

5.9.4 for Windows x64 ?

Can it be? A true, supported 64-bit client?
8) Message boards : Server programs : Changing forum preferences (Message 9135)
Posted 26 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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The number is hard-coded on forum_edit.php, that's where you should have a look. I think it should be a setting somewhere easy to change...



If I make the change there, what do I change to remove the limit, and does it keep the setting after server-side software upgrades?
9) Message boards : BOINC client : Official 64 bit clients (Message 9121)
Posted 26 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Augustine has donated a 64-bit BOINC core for Linux, Crunch3r has donated one for some other operating called Windows. Most projects have a thread called AMD64 in which Augustine has posted download links for both the Linux version and the Windows version. Perhaps try those and let us know if you find anything wrong with them. I've heard they are both simply marvelous.



I'm sure they are great, in fact.. I intend on using Crunch3r's.

HOWEVER - It would be nice to have one that is supported, and 'official', since - With the advent of Vista and EMT64/AMD64/x86_64 .. The 64-bit OS is coming wether we want it to or not.

Better to start now and get the kinks worked out while we're still sortof ahead of the game.
10) Message boards : BOINC client : Official 64 bit clients (Message 9120)
Posted 26 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Fair enough then. A way to download 32-bit science apps onto a 64 bit platform is a good idea (provided the 64-bit platform can support the 32-bit of course, I gather most linux distributions do but a few don't).


They should.. the Linux Fanboi's claim to slice, dice, and make beautiful juilienne carrots.... Surely even the most regal 64-bit distro uses 32-bit apps too.
11) Message boards : BOINC client : Official 64 bit clients (Message 9101)
Posted 25 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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It's a lot more complex than you suggest, but even if the compile was instantaneous there's the testing afterwards. We've been testing multiple variations of CPDN builds for months on the Beta site.


There's a big difference between moving the BOINC client and your projects app to 64bit. We're referring to the client here, not individual project apps. As far as I'm concerned it's up to each project to decide if native 64bit apps would benefit them or not, but it would be nice if they support the platform by at least sending out the 32bit app.


I agree, I think that the server side software should have alternative platform settings.

As of right now.. it looks like my major 64-bit rig is just going to work solely for Docking @ Home..
12) Message boards : BOINC client : Dedicated Bonic computer question (Message 9100)
Posted 25 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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*sigh*

some people have no humor at all.


Some people don't know that sarcasm doesn't work on the Internet. Especially when talking to people from other countries and/or who don't have English as a native language. BOINC forums still don't support transmitting the tone of voice either (which is crucial to notice sarcasm).


Sarcasm meters FTW! :-D
13) Message boards : BOINC client : Dedicated Bonic computer question (Message 9083)
Posted 25 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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*sigh*

some people have no humor at all.
14) Message boards : Server programs : Changing forum preferences (Message 9082)
Posted 25 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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If I want my members to be able to edit their posts after longer than 60 minutes, (I.E. have no time limit at all) can I do that through some sort of setting or string? How would I go about doing this?

I notice on SETI@HOME's (and a few others) websites you can edit posts weeks, months, years even after a post was made.

With the default server install; however, users can only edit for 60 minutes after posting.

Thank you for your attention.
15) Message boards : BOINC client : Official 64 bit clients (Message 9058)
Posted 24 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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There are already plans to make a client that sends multiple platform names, in order of preference (first 64 bit then 32 bit), and server modifications to follow that. Could also be useful for Mac/intel machines, "send mac intel if available, or otherwise mac ppc".


Really I don't see what would be so difficult about making a 64-bit client.

I mean.. ok.. forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't you just take the same data and just run it through a compiler except with different settings?

Isn't that all automated? I mean.. It's not like it takes DAYS OF FRUSTRATING CODING NIGHTMARES to just sleeve the 32-bit version through the compiler and have it come out 64bit right?

Am I totally wrong here? Because that's what Intel would have me believe..
16) Message boards : BOINC client : Dedicated Bonic computer question (Message 9057)
Posted 24 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Thankyou.


Sorry I do not answer questions about Bonic. Please find the forums for Bonic and post there.

What the hell do you mean? This IS the forums for BOINC.


Yes, you're quite right. It IS the forums for BOINC. People looking for other topics need to find support and advice elsewhere rather than polluting our help forums with help requests for other things. When someone comes in here looking for Bonic, I can understand the confusion, but this is most certainly not a Bonic forum, and I refuse to help someone as there are surely more qualified people handling that product, who quite likely have their own tech forum.
17) Message boards : BOINC client : Official 64 bit clients (Message 9048)
Posted 23 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Even then, you would not need a 64bit client. A 32 bit client, using <4Gb itself, can run on a 64bit OS and can tell the OS to start/stop a 64bit app.


Don't care.

Didn't say need, said like to see. Meaning - I just want it.


Actually, you said *need* (your stars, not mine) as well as like.



No I said plain as day that I would 'like to' see it (the 64-bit client). Don't quote me out of context, my words were said with purpose, and you're perverting them.
18) Message boards : BOINC client : Dedicated Bonic computer question (Message 9027)
Posted 23 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Thankyou.


Sorry I do not answer questions about Bonic. Please find the forums for Bonic and post there.
19) Message boards : BOINC client : Official 64 bit clients (Message 9026)
Posted 23 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Even then, you would not need a 64bit client. A 32 bit client, using <4Gb itself, can run on a 64bit OS and can tell the OS to start/stop a 64bit app.


Don't care.

Didn't say need, said like to see. Meaning - I just want it.
20) Message boards : BOINC client : Official 64 bit clients (Message 8956)
Posted 21 Mar 2007 by Aaron Finney
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Ok i know this has been asked for a couple of times now but its starting to become an issue as more and more projects are supporting 64bit.
I personally run 4 machines and have 2 going into retirement and 3 on the way. At least 2 of these machines can and will run 64bit Linux (but i think windoze users could benefit from this too) and i would really like it if i could run an official 64bit client rather than someone else's compile/optimisation that may not like my system (or some projects).
There are projects who have found 64bit clients run faster and many others support 64bit clients with a 32bit app that automatically gets sent out for them so i would like to move onto a 64bit client and i know many other users would too.


I'd like to be on a 64-bit Client.

I think one should be available. I'm building a system with 8 cores, that means I'll be using more than 4gb of ram on just BOINC. The system will have 8GB of ram.

I *need* a 64-bit OS to use that much ram.. It seems rational that I would like to see a 64-bit client, since it's the reason I need a 64-bit OS.


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