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Team Gridcoin - Rewarding BOINC computation
(Message 71189)
Posted 4 Aug 2016 by CM Post: We've begun holding regular Gridcoin community hangouts (on mumble), tune in! Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/gridcoin-community-hangouts/ Next hangout: https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@cm-steem/gridcoin-hangout-002-rsvp-and-suggest-topics |
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Gridcoin community hangouts - Discuss BOINC & Cryptocurrency.
(Message 71188)
Posted 4 Aug 2016 by CM Post: Hey, I've begun organising regular Gridcoin community hangouts where we talk about BOINC, Gridcoin and cryptocurrency. I'd really appreciate attendance from BOINC community members, especially for talking about BOINC subjects (Funding, roadmap, 4th gen BOINC credit system, etc). Next hangout: https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@cm-steem/gridcoin-hangout-002-rsvp-and-suggest-topics First hangout: https://soundcloud.com/gridcoin-community-hangouts/gridcoin-hangout-001 Thanks, CM. |
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[Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system
(Message 71174)
Posted 3 Aug 2016 by CM Post: I couldn't make it to the Hangout. Are there some minutes from the discussion? The hangout has been uploaded to soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/gridcoin-community-hangouts/gridcoin-hangout-001 The 4th gen BOINC credit system was the first topic of discussion (First 20 mins), basically summing up the topic for our community. Here's a list of topics discussed: https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@erkan/topic-voting-for-gridcoin-hangout-001#@erkan/re-erkan-topic-voting-for-gridcoin-hangout-001-20160729t114852991z The highest voted topics were prioritised in the hangout, so that's a guide to what was discussed. I'll schedule another hangout and keep you noted. Edit: A second hangout has now been scheduled: https://steemit.com/gridcoin/@cm-steem/gridcoin-hangout-002-rsvp-and-suggest-topics |
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[Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system
(Message 71065)
Posted 28 Jul 2016 by CM Post: To anyone interested, the Gridcoin community is holding a Gridcoin Hangout on BeyondBitcoin's mumble server on Saturday 30th. The 4th generation BOINC credit system will be one of the topics discussed, I'd really appreciate it if BOINC community members could attend. Cheers :) https://steemit.com/beyondbitcoin/@cm-steem/gridcoin-hangout-001-rsvp-and-suggest-topics |
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Project SSL Certifications
(Message 70949)
Posted 20 Jul 2016 by CM Post: *bump* Many of these projects have yet to respond to the SSL threads. Several of these projects may be up for removal from the Gridcoin whitelist: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/29841-discussion-boinc-whitelist-monitoring/page-32#entry220005 |
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Volunteer Computing security and privacy of volunteers' machines study
(Message 70153)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by CM Post: It'd be cool if the survey was checkboxes instead of radio buttons. It'd be neat to see a BOINC environment setup on projectatomic: http://www.projectatomic.io/ |
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Intel Xeon Phi Coprocessor
(Message 70152)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by CM Post: Someone else interested in xeon phis: https://boincstats.com/en/forum/15/10889,1 |
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Looking for a Team or Teams
(Message 70151)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by CM Post: Alternatively, team Gridcoin rewards their users: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10952 |
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DrugDiscovery@home revival
(Message 70150)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by CM Post: As some ideas on getting more volunteers we consider giving to volunteers something like Ethereum-based tokens. Would you consider applying for whitelist status in the Gridcoin cryptocurrency system? https://www.gridcoin.us https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/29841-discussion-boinc-whitelist-monitoring/page-31 |
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[Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system
(Message 69867)
Posted 31 May 2016 by CM Post: These forums are for discussion of anything that goes about BOINC. No discussion is ever set in stone about its direction, so if the direction deviates somewhat to the left or right, fine. Eventually it'll always comes back on topic. Cool, permission to maintain going off topic granted! It's somewhat fair to categorize Egilman's posts as trolling though considering he doesn't acknowledge answers to his questions, but fair enough after this post I'll cease namecalling, it was quite crass of me. When you need to insult/abuse your critics to defend your position from serious criticism. What insult? Cheekily implying that you're a cheater for defending cheating? Or implying that failing to acknowledge previous answers/responses to your questions/posts (in this thread and the 'monetization' thread) somewhat constitutes trolling?
What specificity are you referring to by 'this'? The general concept of a 4th gen credit system? According to the BOINC project governance model, decisions are based on community consensus & and disputes are decided upon by the PMC. https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectGovernance Simply put there is no reason to fork BOINC at this point (nor should there be), the concept of a 4th gen credit system has not been defined never-mind there being a community breaking lack of consensus on the matter. Your opposition to further development/improvement of the credit system has been noted & should be taken into account in the future (to maintain fair community consensus). How community consensus is measured would be an interesting side-topic.
Your analogy of Moore's law to cheating a credit system makes little sense, computers are getting more powerful every year thus BOINC cheating will always occur? Poor analogy. Windows is one of the most successful brands of operating systems on the market. Of course they have been fighting a continuous battle against vulnerabilities in their operating systems (all popular software is subject to continuous attack). Had Microsoft never patched any of the publicly exposed vulnerabilities their operating systems would not nearly have the same market share they currently hold & Microsoft would likely not be the same company it is today. Simply because new vulnerabilities/issues may present themselves in the future doesn't mean that existing vulnerabilities/issues (that are public knowledge) should be ignored/maintained. Stagnation is never the solution to security flaws.
You're right that there is no absolutely secure BOINC - there will always exist flaws in software (past/present/future) that will be taken advantage of by malicious actors, but using that as an excuse not to take positive action against their existence doesn't make sense. What's wrong with interacting with the BOINC community/developers? Do you wish for this to not be an open community? Many of the users that have expressed their views in this thread have zero affiliation with Gridcoin yet share somewhat similar views that a 4th gen credit system could be a good idea (we have yet to reach consensus on it's definition).
What makes you say this? At this point, our team/software has yet to reach the majority of the BOINC community.
I thought that you wished for us to develop our own fork of BOINC, now you wish for researchers themselves to fork their own BOINC platform? The vast majority of BOINC users don't care about the credit system, only a small percentage do, so I doubt that a mass exodus would occur. If it did, it would be great publicity for BOINC & volunteer computing.
Got a link to a thread on this? What project was this? Do you oppose any company that runs a BOINC project that isn't expressly non-profit? IBM is a for-profit company yet their WCG project is one of the most popular BOINC projects.
I cited the value of Gridcoin as a response to your post where you implied that Gridcoin was "making a few people wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice"; Avarice - one of the '7 deadly sins' being incapable of dreaming about a marketcap 0.025% of Bitcoin's marketcap is a bit far fetched.
My views/posts are that of my own and do not represent the entire Gridcoin community. |
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[Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system
(Message 69837)
Posted 31 May 2016 by CM Post:
Cheating was already present due to inner/inter team competition, do you also propose to ban charityengine and any team that offers prizes for BOINC computation? Improving the credit system does not solve issues that only affect a single group - cheating affects all BOINC users/teams. If a new credit system was devised, it wouldn't be forced upon all projects - projects can chose what credit system to implement (there is no centralized control over BOINC projects), and several may not upgrade simply due to project inactivity or may be unwilling to upgrade due to perceiving it as unnecessary server maintenance. Due to a lack of centralized power, you cannot eliminate Gridcoin from BOINC. You could campaign for each BOINC project admin to ban/delete team 'Gridcoin', but it's highly unlikely that many project owners will intentionally drive computing power away from their projects just to entertain a single troll.
Your misinformation is based on a single cherry-picked forum post; I've already covered this topic: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10794&postid=68948 (Note that the current poll shows a majority of users wish to vote on the mandatory team requirement) If BOINC was to transition to a 4th gen credit system or if we can work out how to eliminate cheating, the team requirement removal would only be a matter of managing a scalable solution on the blockchain (increasing neural network registration from 2k to 100k+) instead of for providing security from cheaters. Thusly, Gridcoin would no longer be a one team crypto, but rather a crypto for the entire BOINC community.
I hold no Bitcoin; it is only used as a trading pair on exchanges - bitcoin is not utilised at all within the gridcoin system. I don't think wishing to offset some of the electricity costs racked up by BOINC computation is greedy, and the founders of gridcoin are not the only ones to benefit from it continuing to exist (There's no supply cap, in 10+ years the current supply will be a minority compared to the sum of newly generated coins. Not to mention the fact that there was no instant/pre-mine; all existing GRC represents past BOINC computation).
BOINC is not involved in neither Gridcoin's development nor community (as far as I'm aware, there may be several anon BOINC devs in our community). The BOINC platform/software is not dedicated solely to science, nor is it mandatory that projects must have a scientific purpose; there are several non-scientific BOINC projects currently - do you oppose their existence too? Regarding people becoming wealthy 'beyond the dreams of avarice', thats rather far fetched considering Gridcoin currently is worth (1/4030=0.025%) the value of Bitcoin.
Are you justifying the existence of cheating purely based on its presence in the past? Your second sentence reads like a threat, are you upset that you or your team members will no longer be able to fraudulently claim a high leaderboard position? Surely if we can identify solutions to cheating, their implementation would be beneficial to the entire BOINC community? Whilst it may be a cat&mouse game, why should we not oppose cheaters? Do you take the same view on computer security updates (considering it's a similar never-ending cat&mouse game).
As I've stated above, censorship/oppression of communities based on their purpose is unlikely to occur. Please stay on topic of the 4th gen credit system instead of derailing the topic towards gridcoin. To those reading: Sorry for having to reply to this post (went off topic myself). |
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Team Gridcoin - Rewarding BOINC computation
(Message 69806)
Posted 30 May 2016 by CM Post: Gridcoin has been added to BitSquare https://github.com/bitsquare/bitsquare/releases/tag/v0.4.8 |
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BitcoinUtopia charging 100% fees (for admins personal profit)
(Message 69628)
Posted 16 May 2016 by CM Post: BitcoinUtopia has begun charging 100% fees from all BU miners for personal profit! I caused no problems at BU - I asked questions regarding the admin's 'for-profit' motives since the Gridcoin system rewards its users based on contributions to individual projects & the category of 'commercial/for-profit projects' has previously been argued potentially not appropriate to have a whitelist status. The forums were indeed deleted, but I am not to blame: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.distributed.boinc.user/5523 (Note: I am not 'Nicolás'). You should note that this thread's original post's timestamp is the same time as my original post on the BU campaign 7 part 4 thread Several users did indeed verbally express they don't care about the project's whitelist status, and Henri acknowledged my intention to vote on the whitelist status in my original post. I didn't create the poll due to the situation being cleared up, but BU regressing by deleting/disabling their message boards may bring it back on the table. Fair enough, I totally steamrolled through the campaign 7 part 4 thread misinformed, the news/announcement for the campaign does at a first glance come across as arrogant like "This campaign is for profit, deal with it." especially since it's opt-out not opt-in.
Had I been absolutely intolerable on BU's forums, Henri (or any admin/mod) could have banned/deleted my account, deleted my posts, enabled a minimum RAC to post or if spam advert posts were an issue a captcha could have been created. Henri did not ask the boinc_project mailing list how to do this though, he instead chose to delete/disable the message boards overall for an undisclosed reason. I demanded no changes from BU (aside from fixing broken hyperlinks on the website), I have indeed created a '4th gen credit' thread on this message board which has become quite an active thread; 5+ years of not discussing the state of the credit system leads to a worthwhile discussion, but that thread is not a 'demand' rather a healthy community discussion. Who cares who I am, or what my RAC is? There are no rules requiring myself to publicly disclose my real identity nor link my BOINC computation to my forum accounts. I'll not be chased away from a forum just because I rustled the jimmies of a few users from an evidently unstable project, if anything it motivates me to return here. Edit: The message boards are back up. Edit: The following threads have been http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=1052 http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=970 http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=924 |
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BitcoinUtopia charging 100% fees (for admins personal profit)
(Message 69613)
Posted 15 May 2016 by CM Post: Right. In the past the project took a % cut of each campaign, to fund their overhead. Now they separated the overhead support, from the campaign support completely. Crunch for a campaign 100%, and/or crunch for the overhead. Completely your choice. Nothing nefarious here, and more controllable by the volunteers. We could change the topic to something along the lines of "BitcoinUtopia raises default fees & disables message boards". Have a look: http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_index.php Guess he can't handle having his 'for-profit' motives questioned? There was no spam on the forum, so I don't see the point in disabling the BU message boards. |
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boinccmd --join_acct_mgr got error
(Message 69586)
Posted 13 May 2016 by CM Post: yes, i put sudo before the command. If your password has a space in it, it won't work in the command line (lol). |
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Announcing BMG@Home - Seeking Testers & Volunteers for Bulk Metallic Glass Simulations!
(Message 69577)
Posted 13 May 2016 by CM Post: No work and site is down. That was fast! D: |
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[Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system
(Message 69528)
Posted 9 May 2016 by CM Post: Quoted from mikey (message 69486): My previous post was rather inaccurate/arrogant, there are no enforced responsibilities to continue any BOINC development, since funding has ended it's entirely up to volunteers to continue development. The project governance page states (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectGovernance):
So any actual decision to focus on development of a 4th gen credit system is largely in the hands of active BOINC devs and the Project Management Committee. The governance model change announcement (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=10370&postid=62905) states:
So yes, US NSF funding ended. It doesn't appear that the raised/promised SETI funds (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/21/science/yuri-milner-russian-entrepreneur-promises-100-million-for-alien-search.html?_r=0) have been allocated to BOINC development, nor is there sponsorship by large companies running BOINC projects (WCG is IBM). I proposed using Gridcoin (foundation funds) to fund development on a tip4commit basis (forking peer4commit for best initial compatibility https://github.com/sigmike/peer4commit) in the BOINC github issues section (https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/1493). Christian Beer's comment (https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/issues/1493#issuecomment-211246173) does raise some important questions - ultimately a tip4commit system would place an individual (the fundraiser) in a centralized position of power (https://peer4commit.com/faq) which is somewhat incompatible with the existing project governance model. If there is a trusted treasury within the PMC, they could accept direct GRC/<any crypto> donations instead of relying on a tip4commit system. |
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[Discussion] 4th Generation BOINC credit system
(Message 69516)
Posted 8 May 2016 by CM Post: I'm sorry. I have to laugh at this discussion. Why volunteer our time crunching projects with the Boinc software when one can volunteer and get paid too! LOL I see two choices here. Fix the credit system so all projects pay the same and extend the reward system of getting paid to all teams......or.....ban Gridcoin from Boinc teams. I heard the taxman is curious about this and is looking into Gridcoin paying people and also looking into pulling the non-profit status from Boinc in general. Hope you have fun with the red tape thanks to a team like Gridcoin. I don't think anyone is proposing that all projects should reward equal quantities of credit; inter-project credit comparison is a flawed comparison. Inner-project credit comparison is what's important. Ban Gridcoin? Going to ban charityengine and any sponsored BOINC competitions too? How would you enforce this across 30+ projects? Got a source on your tax claim? Generally it is the responsibility of end-users to pay tax on crypto earnings according to the tax laws implemented in their geographical area - tax mostly doesn't apply until you spend it (VAT/CGT) or when you convert it from crypto to fiat. Does BOINC operate under a non-profit company? I don't see any FAQ stating this, only the fact that the software is distributed with the Lesser General Public License (LGPL)? Besides, it's not BOINC distributing earnings it's a 3rd party. Though if you've got proof of this please do share. Are you equally opposed to commercial BOINC projects making a profit from volunteer computation? Bitcoin Utopia is a commercial project, are you proposing to ban BU too? |
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BitcoinUtopia charging 100% fees (for admins personal profit)
(Message 69510)
Posted 8 May 2016 by CM Post: Quite the learning experience that thread, so turns out the fee structure of Bitcoin Utopia has changed. New campaigns will have 0% fees, and there's one campaign with 100% fees dedicated to funding the Bitcoin Utopia webite (and for profit on top of expenses). The campaign to fund BU is enabled by default but can be manually de-activated, so no need to panic. |
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BitcoinUtopia charging 100% fees (for admins personal profit)
(Message 69506)
Posted 7 May 2016 by CM Post: BitcoinUtopia has begun charging 100% fees from all BU miners for personal profit! The BU admin's personal finance situation has been in disarray for a while now. http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=924&postid=11067 For what purpose does this serve when BU has been funded for a full year? http://www.bitcoinutopia.com/2015/10/bitcoin-utopia/ The personal profit campaign results in a 404 page on the bitcoinutopia server page: http://www.bitcoinutopia.com/2016/04/bitcoin-utopia-part-4/ The correct campaign url is: http://www.bitcoinutopia.com/2016/05/bitcoin-utopia-part-4/ Note that in the campaign further down the page, the fee is listed as 0% for BU. I'm proposing to remove BitcoinUtopia from Gridcoin's whitelist: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/29841-discussion-boinc-whitelist-monitoring/?p=214803 Please remove your Bitcoin miners for the time being. |
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