Posts by Joseph Stateson
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Want info about the latest client: VS2019? 7.18?
(Message 105845)
Posted 24 Oct 2021 by  Joseph Stateson
Post: VS2019 builds OK on my Windows 10 test machine: it downloads and builds the dependency sources as required. Note - that makes it very slow for a first-time build. Make sure it's got a stable internet connection. It gets those sources via a git transfer, so make sure you've got a Git client and a 7-zip decompresser installed before you start. Thanks Richard! I looked at your install.txt file but did not want to put in Git neither the 2.33.0.2 nor the Tortoise because I have been using the Desktop Git. It does not have a command git function. However, VS2019 actually has a GIT.EXE but it had to be added to the path. Once I did that I was able to build 7.16.20 (But it is named 7.19.0!) The additions I had to make to Windows 10x64 (v) 21h1 --> VS2019 community --> SDK: 22000.194.210911-1543.co_release_svc_prod1_WindowsSDK In system path the following: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2019\Community\Common7\IDE\CommonExtensions\Microsoft\TeamFoundation\Team Explorer\Git\cmd I also made a few other changes before I figured out the git had to be in the path. I am going to undo those change and verify all I needed was the git.exe to be the right one. The "debug" build took a long time, most of which was git'ing but I managed to build the client 3>Generating Code... 3>boinc_cli_vs2019.vcxproj -> D:\Projects\VSrepository\b_7_16_20\boinc-master\win_build\Build\x64\Debug\boinc.exe ========== Build: 3 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ========== I then execute the client and asked for the version: D:\Projects\VSrepository\b_7_16_20\boinc-master\win_build\Build\x64>dir *.exe /s
Volume in drive D is DATA
Volume Serial Number is 7A49-C614
Directory of D:\Projects\VSrepository\b_7_16_20\boinc-master\win_build\Build\x64\Debug
10/24/2021 02:23 PM 9,728,000 boinc.exe
1 File(s) 9,728,000 bytes
Total Files Listed:
1 File(s) 9,728,000 bytes
0 Dir(s) 1,801,046,863,872 bytes free
D:\Projects\VSrepository\b_7_16_20\boinc-master\win_build\Build\x64>cd debug
D:\Projects\VSrepository\b_7_16_20\boinc-master\win_build\Build\x64\Debug>boinc.exe --version
7.19.0 windows_x86_64
It seems to me the version should have been 7.17. by adding 1 to the 16 So why is it 7.19? On an unrelated question, if I found a boinc binary that was 7.17 what build was it taken from? |
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WCG OPNG sans OPN1
(Message 105843)
Posted 24 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: We had a long discussion on that right at the beginning of OPNG. You can't separate the CPU and GPU work units, so if you want 50, you will get 50. One one of my NVidia systems, I set the venue "no cpu" and "allow nvidia" but have not received any tasks from WCG. On a linux ATI system that is open for CPU and GPU I get a boatload of CPU tasks and a dinghy load of GPU. I was guessing there are no NVIdia tasks available but a few ATI. Maybe the problem is linux ATI but no windows NVidia ??? Or is the problem getting the NVidia because I specified no CPU? I poked around WCG but cannot find a list of applications. Their site is so different from other projects it is difficult to even find my own account. Is there a list of apps or even a server status page? |
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Want info about the latest client: VS2019? 7.18?
(Message 105841)
Posted 24 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: I recently found out that VS2019 can be used to build Boinc. That is a huge jump from VS2013. Was 7.16.20 built using VS2019? I noticed there is a 7.18 but it is listed as an Android download. Is it correct to assume there will be a 7.18 release for Windows and Linux? I just put VS2019 on my system. Is there anything special that needs to be done to build the latest? Not looking for a walkthrough but more of a heads-up. Thanks for looking! (Thanks for ujpgrade to VS2019 !!!) |
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COVID-19 Project Not Sending GPU Tasks - My Config or a Project Issue?
(Message 105832)
Posted 22 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: GPU work is intermittent. Maybe a coincidence but I had the same question myself and just went to their site and poked around looking. In the mean time I picked up a few ATI tasks from them with not having to do anything. I assume you don't want to use your Vega for crunching, only the other, slower card. Currently, I have 10 cpu tasks and 2 ati tasks running WCG with 7 other ati tasks read to run. A few minutes ago there were no ati tasks. My default profile for the above system is nvidia,ati: yes; intel: no; cpu: yes I only do the covid Some projects will not send tasks to system with cards that are too slow and cannot complete before the deadline. I do not know if WCG does that. |
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Collatz Conjecture issue for many users
(Message 105776)
Posted 16 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: Richard Haselgrove posted a link to a file on google drive that can fix the problem https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14413&postid=105552#105552 put that file "ca-bundle.crt" at \Program Files\Boinc or at "Program Files (x86)\Boinc\ depending on what windows you are running, or where you put the executable. You need to be in elevated mode to be able to replace the old, bad file. Collatz is a waste of computer time, project good only for points,. IMHO |
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Hibernate requires manager to be restarted on resume.
(Message 105772)
Posted 16 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: How are you hibernating? Did you assign "closing the lid" to hibernate instead of suspend? I am guessing that the both apps treat a "hibernate" as shutdown. When starting back up the client app runs because it is a service but the manager is not. Looking at "ap_control.cpp" I see the following case
switch (got_signal) {
case SIGHUP:
case SIGINT:
case SIGQUIT:
case SIGKILL:
case SIGTERM:
case SIGSTOP
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"handle_exited_app"
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Looks like the app just exits no matter what. When Boinc restarts it just attempts to pick up where it left off. IANE, just taking a guess as there is not much else to do since SETI closed down. my 2c |
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Asteroids project
(Message 105653)
Posted 4 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: I thought asteroids was an excellent project. If the principal investigator had written up a proposal to work with the near earth orbit program maybe he or she could have gotten a NASA or other type of grant. Just a guess. I was sorry to see SETI go. I would rather have seen SETI get a "hit" than asteroids-at-home get a "hit". That being said, the asteroid hit is much more likely than finding an Alien IMHO. |
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Suspend when non-BOINC CPU question.
(Message 105643)
Posted 4 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: I had a similar problem with DVDFAB transcoding from Blu Ray to mp4. I found I had to exclude boinc from running when DVDFAB was processing or I would have problems. I am not using DVDFAB media server, just the ripper. Do you have a coprocessor like NVidia CUDA or are you just using the CPUs? |
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HTTP error: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates (with workaround)
(Message 105615)
Posted 3 Oct 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: Ubuntu with 7.16.11 did not have problem with certificate but 7.16.11 on windows 10 did. Removing the expired certificate "dst ca x3" from windows store had no effect so I put it back into that store. Removing from ca-bundle.crt worked fine for gpugrid. No warning about the cert but did not get a work unit as none avaialble |
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BOINC reports disk usage as just the space taken by the slots directory.
(Message 104089)
Posted 24 Apr 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: Things look suspicious. I checked two projects "properties" and what they report agreed for Einstein but not for WCG. WCG claimed 978mb but file sizes add up to only 230mb Project Einstein@Home This project disk usage 8.20 GB All projects disk usage 17.15 GB Allowed to use 1,676.60 GB BOINC is using 32.15 MB Free disk space 1,677.12 GB Total disk space 1,862.89 GB ====from dos dir/s in that einstein project directory==== 2329 File(s) 8,803,230,864 bytes Total Files Listed: 2329 File(s) 8,803,230,864 bytes 2 Dir(s) 1,800,714,088,448 bytes free D:\ProgramData\Boinc\projects\einstein.phys.uwm.edu> Project World Community Grid This project disk usage 978.47 MB All projects disk usage 17.15 GB Allowed to use 1,676.60 GB BOINC is using 32.14 MB Free disk space 1,677.11 GB Total disk space 1,862.89 GB ===from dos dir/s in that wcg project directory===== 288 File(s) 230,854,116 bytes Total Files Listed: 288 File(s) 230,854,116 bytes 2 Dir(s) 1,800,780,283,904 bytes free D:\ProgramData\Boinc\projects\www.worldcommunitygrid.org> |
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Hardware problems running BOINC finally debugged
(Message 104086)
Posted 24 Apr 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: 3.3V is on the 24 pin connector and also on any SATA connector. I reconnected the old power supply to run some tests and the system is working fine as if there was no problem to start with. I am guessing the 4+4 motherboard connector was not making good contact. The radiator of the CPU cooler presses hard against the wiring as that connector is directly underneath the radiator. Since this was not a modular power supply any contact problem has got to be on mombo or video board. Alternately, stress on the cables can open a solder joint at the connector. Usually smoke shows up when that happens. Right now the cables are all unstressed as the power supply is hanging above the system. System is fully loaded and working fine. I am going to poke the cables around and will use a magnifier to examine the contacts for any discoloration and put it back together. When I tried to measure "ripple" I got 0.025 volts a/c. I also got the same 0.025 with voltmeter leads hanging loose in the air. |
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Hardware problems running BOINC finally debugged
(Message 104076)
Posted 23 Apr 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: I was unable to check the 3.3 volt but I may look at it later. Not sure where to test that voltage on the motherboard, I replaced the Seasonic focus 650 bronze (non modular) with a Seasonic focus 850 platinium and that appears to solve the problem. I found that when I pulled the pair of gtx1060 and put in a gtx1070-ti the system was unstable even with no CPU tasks running. It crashed within seconds of starting BOINC. This system, even with all cpu';s working %100 and pair of gtx1060 never pulled over 400 watts and was usually good for several hours before rebooting That old bronze power supply must have a problem even rated at 650. I checked for ripple using A/C voltmeter on the 12 and 5 but there was nothing obvious. Maybe the 3.3 volt had the problem? I am currently running the 1070-ti with 8 or so cpuj tasks and all seems OK. The voltage shown by CPU-ID is the same value as shown then using that older power supply. Click to Pimp my rig  [/url]
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Hardware problems running BOINC finally debugged
(Message 104050)
Posted 21 Apr 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: Have a system with 6 core zeon (12 threads), 24gb ram and pair of gtx1060 run running WCG Covid apps that was consistently rebooting. Did not have this problem before with Einstein, Milkyway and WCG. I had swapped out a single RX570 for the pair of 1060s for testing purposes. I found the problems was due to the eVga motherboard not handling transients and/or poor power supply regulation. I had 6 CPU tasks suspended, when I resumed all 6 using a single commend from Boinctasks, the system rebooted instantly. I connected the system to a wattmeter and powered it back up. As I resumed each CPU task, one at a time, the wattage jumped by 13 watts then settled down to plus 5 watts. I am guessing that surge was not handled properly by the x5675 power regulator. I then looked at the pair of gtx 1060 using Tech Power Up's GPU-z. One of the GPUs (on the left side) went immediately into the PerfCap Reason warning: the blue color. The other GPU was ok until the Memory Controller Load went to 55% then that warning kicked in. The warning is that the performance of the gpu is "Liimited by Operating Voltage". I looked at other system I was running and the slot voltage and the 6 pin voltage was consistently 12.1. This system was in the mid too low 11 volts. hope this helps someone. 
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Boinc refuses to get new work from Primegrid, it says "don't need".
(Message 103996)
Posted 17 Apr 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: Newer versions of Boinc managers don't show about the panic mode anymore. It was considered unsettling to the users. Boinc will go to panic mode if required but just doesn't show it.I use Boinctasks, not Boinc Manager. I don't know how anyone can use that poor quality simple pile of rubbish. In Boinctasks, I see "running" or "running high priority" under the status column. Why would that scare people? I guess they'd also remove the petrol guage from a car in case it makes people nervous. The strange thing is, it only shows it on some of the tasks, and not the ones it should. Select the tasks and look under properties for anything suspicious. BT has a message dialog box that can get long and many messages are ignorable. Filter on primegrid and look for anything suspicious. I once found a message in that was too long and when I stretched the box out I found a warning about not enough virtual memory that had been hidden. I have not run primegrid for years and in addition they are not whitelisted in gridcoin the last time I looked. I do recall trying more than one tasks and did not see an improvement worth the effort. However, it is possible for other projects to use the "other half" of the GPU if that project is allowed "halves". It gets more mplicated when set to 0.2 and one gets 3 of one type and the project using 0.5 cannot run and the project set to 0.2 is out of work. But that fixes itself when one of the three finishes. Reading your comment about petrol reminds me of the MGB I bought new in 1970. The handbook recommended not checking the petrol with a naked torch. I always though that as a reflection on the manufacture not updating the manual but it could have applied to the drivers across the pond. |
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How in the hell do you stop the BOINC client from putting a password in gui_rpc_auth.cfg?
(Message 103989)
Posted 17 Apr 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: Alternatively, you could download the source code and build your very own copy - it's all publicly available. You could even remove the generated alert message. I got tired of looking at error messages and did just that. The problem that triggered me to mod the BOINC app was literally 100's of ignorable error messages that obscured the only message that was worth reading. |
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Finding Bottlenecks
(Message 103988)
Posted 17 Apr 2021 by Joseph Stateson
Post: I have been crunching for Rosetta@Home. On one host, real-time and CPU time are almost the same, but real-time is 1.5 to 2 times higher than the CPU time for another host. The host with the real-time longer has a better CPU and faster memory. Both BOINC directories are on SSDs. I cannot think what the bottleneck is. According to this thread, the real time should be about the same. I do not run Rosetta anymore so I cannot check the validity of that post (dated April fools day) but I did check the real time of some leaders and they were all in the 8 hour range Irregardless of the CPU speed. [edit] I looked for your computers over at Rosetta but could not find you. I suspect, that if both of your systems are finishing the jobs in about 8 hours then all is ok. |
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host ID not matching ID at boincstats: cannot set resource share
(Message 101595)
Posted 16 Nov 2020 by Joseph Stateson
Post: I asked about this back in august over at boinc stats. I got not response but since things seemed to work OK it was not big deal. by work OK i mean I can attach, detach projects, etc. We are using 7.16.11. This is my sons account that has the problem. He uses BAM! His external CPID is fb4efe.... that matches his gridcoin address, the address shown at the BAM! main account page and a "find " shows the XML files in the boinc folder have the correct external cpid. I assume that fb4efe.. is correct. However, the account manager xml files in that boinc folder show a "host_cpid" that is 90bc86d... I have no idea what that is and I never got a response at the BAM! forum. Is that the external_cpid? if so, it does not match the actual fb4efe... He has only 2 hosts at BAM! one has a CPID of c4fd555... the other's CPID is 2ae7f835. Neither are 90bc8ed.,.. The contents of the acct_mgr_request.xml file and acct_mgr_reply.xml show that %100 is used for all resource shares. This hostid's all match the hostid's at the project. I suspect the value 90bc86d... in those acct_mgr files need to be fb4efe... is that correct? At the BAM! main account page there is an option to "change cpid" but the cpid they show in the dialog box is the external cpid. I do not want to change that as it takes a long time for gridcoin to sync and start paying and all indications are that the fb4efe.... is correct I read the release notes for 7.16.11 and noticed the following "Client: if AM reply includes a project we're attached to under a different account, honor the params in the AM reply, e.g resource share" I am not sure that that means. This system used to be mine. I deleted all my projects and added the BAM! manager to the boinc manager using his account at BAM! His account at bam was used to create project accounts. I looked through all my projects and I never had a "host_cpid" of 90bc86d... I cannot figure out why he or I cannot set the resource share. We have no problem adding projects or setting other values. |
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possible to use boinccmd --quit when multiple clients are running?
(Message 100881)
Posted 28 Sep 2020 by Joseph Stateson
Post: Read the User Manual for the Boinccmd tool. thanks, forgot about "--host hostname:port " "boinccmd --help" is not the same as RTFM I was setting up a second client so that gridcoin research could obtain project info for "user2" while the system was crunching for "user1". There was no need for user2 to crunch, just needed login info for gridcoin. Has anyone ever considered allowing the manager to add the same project with a different username ie: account? Probably no need since multiple clients can run |
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possible to use boinccmd --quit when multiple clients are running?
(Message 100878)
Posted 28 Sep 2020 by Joseph Stateson
Post: I looked at the boinccmd command line arguments (7.16.11) but do not see a gui_rpc_port option. Is there a way to cause one of the client tasks to gracefully quit using the boinccmd program? If I use kill task does that cause the client tasks to write a checkpoint and exit? I assume I can use the manager and then quit the manager causing one of the clients to stop but that is awkward thanks for looking |
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recaptcha not allowing new accounts but boincstats did it
(Message 100858)
Posted 25 Sep 2020 by Joseph Stateson
Post: OK, seems that this is a known problem and a solution given there. read a complaint here with no response by management Tried Firefox, Chrome and the newest Edge got same error. One difference: Chrome did not popup the "select [car] [train] [airplane] [crossroads}" dialog box. I have that Chrome extension PrivacyPass which is supposed to allow skipping that once valid login is done. When connecting to Cosmology via boincstats I errored out 41 vbox tasks before I got around to looking at the tasks que. Guess I should have looked at that first before trying to create a profile and join a team. vt is enabled and vbox installed. not sure what the problem is but 23 cpus were assigned out of the 24 available. this shows up on all three browsers, hope it helps someone Warning: Creating default object from empty value in /home/boincadm/project/html/user/create_profile.php on line 205 |
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