Posts by Mike O

21) Message boards : Promotion : Complete "BOINC Unification" in one website (Message 17063) Posted 2 May 2008 by Mike O Post: Hey John.. very good idea.. very much like what I was talking about. Having a common menu on all pages.. what about mini graphic versions of the logos that are resting on a bar of link buttons. Buttons take NOTHING to write and the code is very tight. Could even do a rollover so maybe some text pops up with a tight little discription or larger versions of the logos? Just an idea :) Peace.
22) Message boards : Promotion : Complete "BOINC Unification" in one website (Message 17061) Posted 2 May 2008 by Mike O Post: General public instead? Hmmm... Yes!! let the people that will be crunching the data decide.. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! and think of how that would impact everyone by having the ability to actually VOTE on a projects exceptence!
23) Message boards : Promotion : Complete "BOINC Unification" in one website (Message 17059) Posted 2 May 2008 by Mike O Post: Couple of comments to keep the debate going: ...that this is not something to sign up for for 'kicks' just to uninstall it in a week or two. I don't know about other project admins out there. But I haven't seen this to be a problem. Yes there are some that drop out, but 1)most people stick around for at least 1 WU and 2)if you are loosing WU crunching because of people signing up, downloading and then detaching, you need to bump up your Result quota. I really do think most dont give a crap about the science!! I only agree slightly. I think most people do care about the science. Yes there's more credit fighting than I care for, but I'd give more credit to the participants. A new core version of BOINC that will NOT let it be uninstalled until the current work unit is completed. Seriously? You really want an application to refuse to uninstall itself. That seems like a whole 'nother can of worms. I understand that the scienctist are not here to 'make web sites'. They are here to oversee the science, right? They dont have the time or man power for it. +1000 A mod to the BOINC core could KILL projects on the client's side along with a message to that client's user explaing exactly why it was killed. Don't like this at all. Hacking aside. Who should decide what project should or shouldn't get killed. Bad idea. That's what teams are for. As for the website comments, are they really that difficult? May be I am a nerd. I just don't see the need for flash on a project's website. Am I trying to attract people based on features and flashy text? I thought you made fun of that earlier. Anyways, don't want to turn this into a web design debate. I guess maybe the main point is uniformity in the web pages' appearance. I understand it's easier to find this if you know where you're looking, but as for me, I like that each project has it's own look. Like I said in my last post.. NONE of this is real or even close to happening, these are ideas from my gray matter and no one elses. About Flash... Flash has many MANY uses.. you do NOT have to have graphics on a page to take advantage of its usefulness but it could be used as a powerful tool to represent data. John threw it out there.. an 'idea' for a more integrated world for the project participants and the projects themselves. This will never happen because it means rebuilding the entire BOINC system from the floor up. I see NO government over what is considered real science and a waste of clock cycles. I heard there was a project someone started looking for the largest prime numbers? Ok.. why? Why not do one to find the longest solution to PI. They are both as valuable. In the fear of having this post deleted I will say it anyway... I thought the whole point of BOINC was to distrubute science so the public could get involved. How many people in the world to you imagine needs to know the value of PI to, say, 100 or 1000 decimal places? In my opinion, that isnt science... its just number crunching and has no business trying to fool people in to thinking other wise or diverting people from doing real and useful science. I also think it was a MAJOR mistake making boinc so open that even hackers are f'ing with people let alone the useless, so called science. I wonder if any project admins have parsed their database to see how many have signed up only to stop crunching after one, two or three WUs. Id be interesting to know what percentage they are verses the average users life span. The main idea I was trying to get at with the 'web page stuff' is that there is little or NO science displayed that the average Joe can understand or get excited about so they quit. Im tired.. its late here.. after 11:00 pm now and I get up at 5:30 am but before I go to bed, I will check your project and your site.. I have stuck with seti because it has always been a burning issue in the back of my mind ever since I watched Carl Sagan's "Cosmos". You my friend are a thinker and I can apreiciate that. I knew when I posted about boinc being able to kill a project, it would raise a few eyebrows.. I just feel like this whole project could be done better.. As in science that could change the world for the better. If only the funding was there, I know none of us would be posting about any of this. There really is true genius in the staff that put this together!
24) Message boards : Promotion : Complete "BOINC Unification" in one website (Message 17057) Posted 2 May 2008 by Mike O Post: Some more thoughts here. Before a project is granted a slot in the Unified Boinc site. There proposed project and discription of said will be place in the forums for all to read and study. A poll will be taken of ya's and na's and the majority will rule. Surely, you know all this is just speculation of what could be done.. not what WILL be done.. its a democracy and it should be polled before the end users before implmenting any changes. Once again.. majority rules. Im outter here for the night.. Morning arrives way faster than the work day goes by :) wishing you all peace of mind... Mike
25) Message boards : Promotion : Complete "BOINC Unification" in one website (Message 17054) Posted 2 May 2008 by Mike O Post: WOW.. vary different opinions here. ok.. Flash. like it or not is used by almost EVERY major site in the USA and the world. NOT just Korea. If you cant deal with it, your computer needs an UPGRADE! If you think for one second I want BOINC to look and feel like you just stepped in to a DISC in the mid 70's.. you are more far off than Pluto! Also, the way my single flash button works, the text and link is loaded in to it via PHP.. that button dont give a hoot what language it is! It would not be real hard to write a script that could change ALL the text to any language. I how ever speak english and my site is for testing more than any thing. Im not managing anything but my code there.. lol. I stated in the seti forums that the overall design should be decided on. A poll, an email adress to comment to.. I DONT CARE but I think the general type of coding used beit flash, css or regular old html dont matter.. many things can be done with html and php.. like all the forums done in php that are spread all over the world about the projects..ALL based on html/php... and thats the problem here that I see most of you ARE NOT GETTING!! Is it true or false to state that BOINC is 'THE FATHER/MOTHER' of all the projects? Lets think about this for a second. With out it.. NO PROJECTS would be accessible! DO you want BOINC to simply be an application that lets you connect to ANY project thus opening the door for some crazed hacker to setup a bogus project and destroy your system or WORSE! BOINC needs and must have the ability to manage ALL projects to guard this from happening. BOINC should be the SINGLE account manager for ALL you private information including a client/user ID that MUST be matched by ANY project before it is allowed to be downloaded. ALL projects MOST be varified by BOINC to make sure they are REAL PROJECTS! I have said this before.. If someone cant figure out how to simply join a project, they need to go back to surfing porn! They have NO I.Q. what so ever and could not pour sand out of a boot with the instructions on the heel! People that skilless are the types that will download a project to 'check it out' and uninstall it leaving uncompleted WUs waiting to time out for weeks.. A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME for them and the serious crunchers! This is one of the main reasons I am totaly for a boinc unification! People need to be made VARY AWARE of what the intentions of BOINC AND THE PROJECTS are and that this is not something to sign up for for 'kicks' just to uninstall it in a week or two. Right now, the state of boinc is... a bunch of people running what ever they want to play 'who can get to the top first' It's a freaking contest to see who has the 'biggest computer' Kinda childish IMHO. Do I care about my stats? Well.. I really want to know if there is life out there and so yes.. the more I can get done, the better. I put my 'farm' together to do 3D rendering but decided this is more useful than playing around with 3D graphics. I really do think most dont give a crap about the science!! Why? because, BOINC DONT CARE WHO SIGNS UP!! Reminds me of the company I work for.. Hire anyone... as long as they show up. The company doesn't seem to care how much machining is screwed up however. Sure there are some that really DO care... as it is with BOINC.. some care where this goes.. want to see improvements... expansion... as I do with the company I work for and BOINC. Stats.. theres that d*** contest again.. I dont care about who has what, when or where.. I WANT TO SEE SOME RESULTS OF THE DATA THAT IS BEING PROCESSED!!! To be honest, it is very anoying to have to scroll through a single PAGE of someones stats to read the next post! I think stats that large should be out right banned. We have forum moderators for every single forum of every single project but don't seem to have any moderators of the projects themselves. Why and how could something that simple have been over looked???? I have so many ideas running threw my head about the usefulness of a unified boinc I cant seem to think straight. One thing that could be done... For the 'lookie loos' out there that just wanna signup to 'check it out'... A new core version of BOINC that will NOT let it be uninstalled until the current work unit is completed. The core would remain installed but missing from the uninstall list but when triggered by the uninstall attemp, would no longer request any work units.. signal the project's server what units it will NOT be completing in the cache.. hide its self.. finish the current one it started and then remove the core version from the users system completely. I would also make it clear to the user during the unistall attemp exactly what I just stated above. This is all for windows users.. I know nothing about unix users or how any of that works.. I do know that unix users tend to be much more 'into' computers than the average user. Myspace... DISCO.. Weeeeeeeeee!! Lets BOOGIE!! Now really... The sites need a make over.. Seti and most the sites I have seen in the projects look like they were a junior highschool students homework assignment. I understand that the scienctist are not here to 'make web sites'. They are here to oversee the science, right? They dont have the time or man power for it. Every project can do what ever they want... thats cool, until you want to navigate and find that there are no buttons on one site to go 'there' that are at the other site. You go from one site thats bright, upbeat to the next that's dull, black and white and just plain boring. Help info is at the bottom at one site and ohmmm... 'can't find it' at another's. One of the key things is the univeral use and looks of the unified site. A standardized Menu bar would be established and ALL pages would adhear to that Menu Standard. A common color scheme or 'Motif' if you will for all pages. And most of all.. SCIENCE and lots of it! I think a policy of baring projects that can not or will not return usable science results should be banned from the BOINC community! Each project will have its own page(s) to display their science but MUST follow the standardized menu and color motif although, they can place the projects banner on the pages in any color scheme they chose but must be of the same physical diminsions, occupying the same location common to all project pages. A mod to the BOINC core could KILL projects on the client's side along with a message to that client's user explaing exactly why it was killed. "Project 'whatever' has been deemed useless and is now being removed from BOINC for not following the "BOINC Project Guide Lines" To read more, click here" or something similar to that. A customizable "user's home page" where they can list the science from all there projects they are crunching, none or the ones they chose. Im invisioning something like mnay sites have where you can place and remove things you like. A forum JUST for coders and designers.. which BTW.. you have to pay 1.00 dollar/month to be involved with. Its a buck a month (big deal huh?) and simply by having to get an account set up, will keep most of the idiots out that are looking to disrupt things. The procedes could maybe help fund something useful like a new server just for the Unified BOINC site? John.. I like every thing you have said.. one thing to be careful about.. to many in charge.. A absolute must is an organizational flow chart of who is at the top, working down to the bottom showing who has authority over others is very important. for example.. Thoses that give a buck to be coding need not be worring about who chose the Menu to be neon yellow. They just need to focus on making the menu or working with the coders assigned that task. (neon yellow... think im gonna be sick now.. lol) Anyway.. this turned in to a rather large post.. I so hope that the ones that believe chaos is better then orginzation, start to understand what a 'Unified Boinc' is about.. BOINC wont design Projects but they will make F'ing sure they 'play by the rules' and RETURN SCIENCE!!! This is after all... why it was created, isn't it? Thanks for reading... Mike (note: Add to things to do for UB "A SPELL CHECK SCRIPT" lol)
26) Message boards : Promotion : Complete "BOINC Unification" in one website (Message 17000) Posted 1 May 2008 by Mike O Post: I agree something needs to be done to make all the boinc projects better in as many ways as possible. Unifying them in to one big site could solve many issues! This is an I idea I posted about a site overhaul for Seti's site which I find remarkably boring to use and look at. I wonder if there is a way to form a "Seti Site Design Team", recrute people with very good knowledge in php/mySQL/html/css/java or individuals in each respective language (that will donatate their time) and get to work on building a mirror site on a test server. I think it would solve issues if a second group called the "Site Approval Team" was formed to decide on issues like the general 'motif' or 'theme' of the new pages and assign the 'design team' the tasks to get the the pages done. Something like.. the design team decides on a overhead, rollover, drop down menu system and tells the 'design team' to get to work on it' Ok so they get to work but have an argument over say... John thinks his menu is better than Michelle's. It would be the approval teams responsibility to study and select the best 'menu' based on its 'feel' I.E ease of use and general looks. END OF STORY.. Dont like it.. you dont have to be part of the design project if you can't deal with a rejected idea!! That makes me think also that a basic working set of rules needs to be created for both the 'Approval Team' and the 'Design Team' I think the staff.. I.E. Matt, Eric and the rest, should NOT be a member of either team BUT will have the ABSOLUTE say on weather or not a page is exceptable. The prime directive being.. 'NO objectionable content' "EXTREMLY KID FRIENDLY!" The Seti Staff will need to participate in helping sort things out, like how to get to some of the data or may be asked to export the data via XML for use on the new pages. Basicly, they would be acting as 'contributers'. There are also SECURITY ISSUES that will have to be delt with. For example, the data containing user info.. passwords... the forums data sets as well as the science data. I recommend setting up a second set of data bases with the same structures as the originals but with just enough fictitious data to work with.. Also.. the mirror forums could be used wisely by the design team, approval team and the Seti Staff to discus design issues while testing prior to publication of the new site. When the design team, approval team and the Seti staff says 'It's ready to publish' the new Site will just appear all at once... ....A hush fell apond the crowd as they gasp in amazement over the outstanding ease of use, functionality and the brilliant use of colors of the new Seti@home!! If anyone is interested, this is the site I build for my wife and I but mainly to just learn coding in php/flash and java. It contains a flash driven menu so if you do not have flash, the pages wont load properly. http://tnmshouse.com There are a fair amount of buttons on the left but are made from reusing one flash program. its late and I must be up early but I will be back to see where this goes. Thanks Johnny for contacting me about this idea of yours.. very exciting idea to think we could combine it all in to one mega site :) thanks for reading... Mike

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