I have been impressed with the level of such contact at Einstein@Home, even though I know how very busy those guys are.

I am attempting to run the Climate Change Experiment but cannot find the relavant forum.

Hi, first off -- Dr. Anderson has done more for BOINC & volunteer computing & this "grid" stuff than anybody else combined, so first I think you should cut him a lot of slack and chill a bit on some of the nasty-sounding posts.

Second, I think you're reading too much into the whole "social network" idea.

I think the idea is to keep BOINC relevant to the direction the Internet goes (is going). Every project already has a tight social network of dedicated volunteers and moderators, so it seems that we are just trying to open things up a bit in a safe way. I haven't seen anything "concrete" as far as evidence of how this will wreck BOINC, participants, etc; just a lot of conjecture and calling things "crap" (what, specifically, is "crap"?)

It's a shame that dreck out there such as MySpace & Facebook get millions of people, but basically on BOINC we are still in the same small community, doing good science, but not getting our name out there or people & schools etc interested in contributing for the long term.

as far as social networks being "crap" -- if it wasn't for the social network on climateprediction.net, the project would have folded long ago because me & Tolu & now Milo wouldn't have the time to recruit and keep moderators & participants happy & interested, and the scientists are few & far between & hide better than ghosts! ;-)

So I think the importance of the "social networking" side of things (which is something I've asked for help & guidance on in my BOINC papers over the years) has shown to be a major factor in project success. and the fact that scientists often don't have the time & personality for this sort of "outreach" makes it very useful if BOINC could have some "built in tools" to facilitate the "social networking!"

At the current rate (i.e. a "net loss" of participants every year); BOINC projects will keep losing users and eventually it won't be worth developing an app to hopefully get 1000 dedicated crunchers (you can spend the money on a nice cluster). I think the lesson is we either change with the times or just keep becoming a "fringe" project(s) that are increasingly irrelevant. As an example, millions of people saw the two CPDN documentaries yet the interest quickly tails off and we're back down to 40-50K people. So there must be a better way out there...

Goal 1: increase the day-to-day involvement of volunteers. This will hopefully increase the retention rate. It will also increase traffic on project web sites, which will help those that do Google ads.

I'm astonished at what they apparently DO allow. I recently shook my finger at a poster in the BoincStats shoutbox for one of these. But that was before I'd read the new rules.

aren't there only 2 moderators there who say what does and doesn't happen?

JM7 will be flattered.

For William, the next word needs at least 4 letters of the word given before and needs to be at least 6 letters long and needs to be a correct word in any language (we think English and Latin for now, say which different language you may think of/in). So your "odious" in reply to my "Nickelodeon" was correct. :-)

licorious isn't a correct word though.

Licorous

As soon as Rom releases the new Windows compile, I'll check it out (should be later today).

I bought my new laptop yesterday and haven't done any tweaking to UAC (unless you count yelling at it because it's a pain) or the install in general.

Anyone got any other suggestions?

Don't install BOINC to the default directory.

When prompted during installation change the install directory to something that doesn't sit under C:Program Files

I was sent a link to this thread because I am running Boinc with Defender both in Vista. I have recently updated Boinc to 5.8.16 and Boinc still auto starts just fine in Vista. I have UAC disabled,run as admin and have Boinc set as single with launch at boot enabled.
As far as Vista as an OS, I think its faster and more stable than XP, runs all my peripherals just fine, just had to find some of the new drivers but that was 2 mos ago and I think most mfg. have them now. I recommend doing an upgrade (ya ya ya upgrade)because Vista only stores your XP settings, wipes all the XP files then reinstalls Vista, sets up using your XP settings and everything should work ok.

Yes, as I noted earlier, I did not experience this problem until I migrated to 5.9.10, but thank you for the continued affirmation that this problem doesn't exist in 5.8.16. Have you tried version 5.9.10 as this is the version of client this problem seems to exist in for me?

I won't be able to get to my Vista machine until later tonight, but I will have to look into what 'User account control' really means. If I am correct in my current understanding of the term, Perhaps we will have to have the BOINC Manager installed into the all users folder, rather than the current user folder to avert this problem for users who have the default setting of having UAC on?

Also - are you running a service install? Is it 32-bit or 64-bit Vista?

Free Disk Space is 16.18Gb
Used by BOINC is 592.21Mb
Used by other programs is 14.56Gb

Swap Space Allocated is 1438Mb

I changes Use at Most to 20% then forced an Update. Got the following messages

13/05/2007 12:22:11 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
13/05/2007 12:22:11 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Requesting 86400 seconds of new work
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Message from server: No work sent
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Message from server: (there was work but you don't have enough disk space allocated)
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Message from server: No disk space (YOU must free 436.2 MB before BOINC gets space). Review preferences for minimum disk free space allowed.
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.||General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 2007-05-13 12:20:52)
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.||Host location: none
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.||General prefs: using your defaults
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.||Reading preferences override file
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Deferring communication for 1 hr 0 min 0 sec
13/05/2007 12:22:13 p.m.|climateprediction.net|Reason: requested by project

So I'm sitting here with SITI@Home refusing to communicate with the its servers
13/05/2007 12:21:39 p.m.|SETI@home|Requesting 86400 seconds of new work
13/05/2007 12:22:01 p.m.||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
13/05/2007 12:22:03 p.m.||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down.
13/05/2007 12:22:03 p.m.|SETI@home|Scheduler request failed: couldn't connect to server
13/05/2007 12:22:03 p.m.|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 4 min 33 sec
and Climateprediction having a hissy-fit!!

Frustration rains!!

regards Peter