Posts by Angelo Mileto (c)

1) Message boards : BOINC client : Window Position/Size (Message 15982)
Posted 18 Mar 2008 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
I don't remember when it started, but, the size and position of the Boinc Manager window always reverts back to a really small window every time I have to reboot my PC (Mac version seems to retain size and position information).

Could you check into this on the next version? I just downloaded the latest one (5.10.45).

Thanks!!!!
2) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9570)
Posted 14 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
Thanks Nicolas. That's what I did and all seems to be okay except that some of the new projects I've started running don't have a Mac client - oh well. I did go back and remove all of the remnants of the MenuBar app too just to be sure.
3) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9552)
Posted 13 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
Anyone have any ideas?
4) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Trojan boinc installation by rogue member (Message 9532)
Posted 11 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
True. How would those users normally monitor the status of the application? Possibly through the log file? If so, then they would see the message in the log file requiring the validation.


If with "Those users" you're refering to a victim of "BOINC infection" from a trojan, most wouldn't know BOINC exists, so they don't know any log to look at.

There's a reason simpler than all that, why we can't do anything: the hacker could always compile his own BOINC core client, removing *any* protection we add now.


Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to those who were running command line versions.
5) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Trojan boinc installation by rogue member (Message 9523)
Posted 11 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
My suggestion for you is to subscribe to the developers list and start a conversation on that. The major developers don't read these boards unless Jord and I point them to a specific problem.

That's why I started the discussion; as Jord indicated, it's time to put out the fire.
The W* account at Predictor has been blocked, while Mr. Braun considers the best way of action what to do with the credits, while trying not to break the PAH database.

We'll allow discussion, solutions and your opinion about the original problem to continue here. What we do not allow is for you to post inflammatory posts and rouses to make the problem worse. Any such posts will be removed.

It's time to stop the fire, not fan the flames.


I'm not a developer nor am I a programmer. So I don't have any solutions. I won't pretend to understand how send mail works, but to the average user (like me) what you're proposing seems to be a security risk (even if it's not). I know of quite a few people who don't even have an email client installed.

I completely understand your misunderstanding and concern. As I indicated, I wasn't proposing this to be "the way to go", just a suggestion. I'd leave it to the "smart people" to determine if it could be done securely.

Thanks for the input!!!!

Only if you set a default email client, else no email program will open. Before you say that Windows will always set (that stupid) Outlook Express as your default email program, what clicking on a MAILTO link will do then is start up the setup wizard for OE... Not really friendly.

All of what you are opting is all nice and well, but did you know that BOINC doesn't need to be installed on your computer? Just the boinc daemon and an account_*.xml file is needed for it to start crunching. So then what? You want the the boinc daemon to periodically scan the system it is on to check if it's 'installed correctly'? I wouldn't want it to do that.

You can't use a spot in the registry either, as BOINC is multi-platform, only Windows uses a registry (as far as I know). Besides, the spot can be spoofed by adding a batchfile that runs a .reg file.

I believe I did indicate the SENDMAIL option would only work if the user had setup an e-mail account using whatever application on that machine. Obviously, if non is setup, then MAILTO would not work just as it would not work from a web page.

I also think I mentioned the proper time to do this would be not necessarily at "install" but at the first request for data. I'm sure the "smart guys" have a way of determining if this is the first request from a particular machine ID. That would be the trigger.

Again, I'm not trying to say I'm smart enough to know everything nor that this is "the answer". It's just that reading through here, I thought I'd offer my suggestions to maybe get some meaningful discussion going.

Thanks for the input!!!!

6) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Trojan boinc installation by rogue member (Message 9513)
Posted 11 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
So instead of coming up with all the "reasons" it can't be done, why not offer a better suggestion? Also, notice that BOINC, nor anything else, needs to "scan" your machine and extract your e-mail. Clicking on a link on a web page that is a MAILTO:xxxxxx automatically launches your mail client and it will be sent from the user. This is all that is needed.
7) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9506)
Posted 11 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
Is there a way to "drain" the queue via the MenuBar application? If not, then can/should I move the work from the MenuBar work units after installing .16?

Thanks!!!!
8) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Trojan boinc installation by rogue member (Message 9505)
Posted 11 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
How do you get the computer owner's email address?

Assuming the application is installed on a machine where the user has logged on and they use the same machine to send and receive e-mail, it is relatively easy to script a SendMail event back to the BOINC/BAM server. That application could then use that address to send a validation e-mail back to the user.

Not only that: screen-less Unix computers, with no X server installed. You can't show a message there.

True. How would those users normally monitor the status of the application? Possibly through the log file? If so, then they would see the message in the log file requiring the validation.

These are very good questions and I surely don't know all of the answers, but, it's a start.
9) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Trojan boinc installation by rogue member (Message 9497)
Posted 10 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
While it may be a pain in the butt for the legitimate users, is there a way of sending some sort of verification message to a new client before they are able to start downloading work? Since the machine ID gets registered and the project knows it is the first time, maybe utilize the APIs in the system (maybe not a good idea but....) to generate an e-mail back to that user? NOTE: This would not be an e-mail back to the person who's account registered the new machine.

Failing that, why not utilize the application itself and when the client requests work for the first time, send a different XML file that pops up a message to the user having them validate with their account name. Then, that reply is sent back to the server and all is well.

Obviously, this would prevent the "automatically connect all/new hosts" option, but.....
10) Message boards : BOINC Manager : can't install win55.8.16: error reading setup initialization file (Message 9492)
Posted 10 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
I ran into a problem trying to put 5.8.16 on my XP machine as well. I then went and ran the install and told it to completely remove BOINC and then re-installed - I had previously drained all of the work queues first. After re-installing 5.8.16, it worked fine.
11) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9472)
Posted 9 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
Thanks! So what's the recommended method for upgrading and removing the old MenuBar?
12) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9423)
Posted 8 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
Here is one of the threads on this board: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=1515&nowrap=true#9215
13) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9406)
Posted 7 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
What sort of complaints are you seeing? I haven't seen major complaints about the Mac version.

As far as the command line stuff, I don't use a Mac, but the couple times I've tried to use the Windows command line, it was fairly easy. But take that for what it's worth...


I just remember seeing posts with people having trouble with that version when running on 10.4. I'd have to actually search again to see exactly what they were. I'm guessing there aren't too many people here running on Mac so they aren't responding :(

Thanks for the input on the command line though!!!
14) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9340)
Posted 4 Apr 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
So what's the skinny on the Mac version of BOINC? Is it as bad as some of the threads/messages I've seen? How hard is the command line version to setup/configure/run (as far as adding projects and such)?

Thanks guys!!!!
15) Message boards : BOINC Manager : I'm not able to use the new boinc interface (Message 9185)
Posted 29 Mar 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
Just a suggestion: While I'm sure WhoCrazy wouldn't mind participating in some of the testing, it may be better for the developers to install whatever software he is running so they can "see" what he is. This would probably lead to faster development and fixing.
16) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9179)
Posted 28 Mar 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
Ageless, thanks for forwarding the e-mail!!!!

Charlie, Thanks for chiming in! I really appreciate it. Part of the reason I'm still running the menubar is a result of a lot of the threads I had read with people having minor to serious problems with the "full" Mac client.

I also understand the amount of changes that may or may not be required, which, is partly why I was asking. So I guess convince me as to why I should use the full version? I don't really care too much about the graphics as I've not missed having the old SETI screen saver for a long time. My screen is quite happy being blank :) :)

One of the real advantages that I think was in the MenuBar client that I think is gone was the icon on the menu bar showing what it was currently working on and the progress. Is there any possibility of incorporating that small code snippet into the new clients?

I do understand the "simple view" vs the "advanced view" and my comment as for the size may be inaccurate as I haven't loaded the new client. But, I do know the MenuBar one was quite small.

Again, thanks so much for taking the time to discuss something that I'm sure you have discussed more than a few times.
17) Message boards : BOINC Manager : What happened to Menubar for Mac? (Message 9144)
Posted 27 Mar 2007 by Angelo Mileto (c)
Post:
I started a thread on the SETI board, but, was told it would be better here. So, here I am.

It took a bit of searching, but, I think I found the MenuBar source. I managed to get it downloaded (one file at a time) and opened in XCode. I've even managed to get all the file extensions fixed and get it to compile. But, it doesn't run.

Since I have no experience with XCode, I'm not sure what to look at for help. What I've been able to figure out so far from stepping through it is that it does not appear to load any of the preferences - not sure why as I don't know how to display the values of the variables. If I delete the BOINC Data folder, it does create a new one so that part works. But, if the folder is empty, I would think it should fall through to creating the basic preferences file - it does not.

If I put my current BOINC Data folder contents (I made a backup) in the new folder, it does successfully read the projects that I've signed up for so that part seems to be working.

If I look at my activity monitor, BOINC Menubar shows up as a process, but, there is no boinc as a process (which is there when the current working version is running).

I have a screen shot of the debug window, but, don't know how to upload it here, so, if anyone could help, let me know and I could (I guess) e-mail it or if there is another forum/thread I should be discussing this, point me in that direction.

The other thing that I noticed if I examine the package contents of the current working version, the boinc file in the resources folder is an Unix executable. In my compiled app, it is a plain document. Not sure if that's any indication of what the problem is or not, but, thought I'd throw it out there.

I guess the simple question would be how much desire there is for the Menubar version from the Mac community. I'm not sure where to go to find that answer. If any of you smart guys know, please let me know and I'll run it down.





Copyright © 2024 University of California.
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation.