Posts by Bruce

1) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5855)
Posted 29 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I do see postings through Google that a PC that fits the description of mine is transmitting information.

If it is no sensitive information, could you please point us on these postings?

I also see usage of my CPU that is unexplainable. [...] I would certainly welcome advice as to why, I keep finding my information linked with this. Please advise.

You could try to close and exit all applications you are able to find and then check how many free RAM is remaining to the system and how many is used by the rest of applications. Sysinternals' Process Explorer tool will help you a lot. And additionally to the applications, recommended by Ageless (did you try any of them?), you could try their Autoruns and RootkitRevealer tools. If no one will be successful, than I'd assume it being probably the mentioned BIOS virus.

I am not sure just who contributed the search covered by the link to "here" but it was at least somewhat informative. It seems that someone with a similar name is providing information. It still may be my machine as the usage history indicates something is going on even after I reformatted the hard drive and loaded original software back onto the PC.

You can try to switch off your machine (or at least plug it out of any connection to internet) for a period of 3 (three) days. Then we could be able to tell you whether the mentioned computer is yours or only coincidentally similar one.

I do have these issues and have noted from views of other threads in the discussion list that I am not the only one with similar problems.

Few links to such threads would be appreciated too...



I have tried most of your recommendations. Desperation will force me to try the rest as I am on a limited income and require the computer to earn a fair amount of my money. As far as links to complaints go, they are too numerous to cite. Please look at the message boards. Just got to "home" and take a look around. I have anecdotal reports from the Internet that many people have quit the project. The numbers cited are too immense for me to cite or believe and I will not do that. I also tried to call Mr. Lebofsky and even checked out his resume. I was unable to reach him as it was Friday afternoon.

I appreciate your recommendation that I shut off my PC for three days. It is probably well-intentioned but financially unwise as my wife and I both make a substantial part of our living from this PC and Internet connection.

May things go well with you friend. I suspect the problem can be "cured" best by purchasing another computer and not loading any old files from this one to that one. This means my wife and I lose four books in progress and about 10 gig of article archives. FYI, my wife and I earn part of our incomes from journalism and writing. It seems I have lost effective use of this machine and dare not transfer any files until and unless the problem can be resolved. I can at least copy all data files to a machine that is no longer connected to the Internet. That is salvage at its best. I have done so and will try what you proposed but have tried several of the approaches you suggest but not all. Perhaps there is hope.
2) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5853)
Posted 29 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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If your computer was trickling data up to the SETI server, I would expect to see some recent credits here

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=1650

but there's nothing. On the same page, if you click on 'computers', you'll see that no computer is registered under your name.

That's not that simple, there is no crunching project coupled with BOINC message boards and thus no computers are here :-) Take a look here to see what you are looking for.

Have you got a round boinc B icon in the system tray...

Sure not (see my previous explanation ;-)

Mr. Bruce, are you aware of project names like Einstein, Large Hadron Collider, Rosetta, World Community Grid etc.??


I signed up for SETI some years ago. I am not familiar with these other projects. I have had nothing to do with them to the best of my knowledge.I shall go to the site you recommend and see what is there. I have no BOINC icon in my tray. It is not locatable under searches of the hard drive. I do see postings through Google that a PC that fits the description of mine is transmitting information. I also see usage of my CPU that is unexplainable.
I have deleted all programs save for Word and a spreadsheet program and still see this. Perhaps you have some explanation or advice. I would certainly welcome advice as to why, I keep finding my information linked with this. Please advise.



I am not sure just who contributed the search covered by the link to "here" but it was at least somewhat informative. It seems that someone with a similar name is providing information. It still may be my machine as the usage history indicates something is going on even after I reformatted the hard drive and loaded original software back onto the PC.

What I do have a print out of is statistics about a computer that has been providing numbers to SETI as of yesterday. The computer is referenced to someone with the same name. It has the same processor as mine. It could be a coincidence.I have a possible suspect for this if it is an accident of name. I'll check any identifiable material on my PC from the report and perhaps call this chap. Coincidences in nature are rather rare but they do happen occasionally.

I am left at present with the following questions:
1. A PC with the same processor as mine appears to be providing information to SETI or BOINC or whatever entity is involved.
2. My name (perhaps not the full name as the middle name is omitted) is attached to these reports.
3. My processor is tied up to the point where it slows the functions of my PC.
4. I wish to install software that will peermit me to perform calculations I wish to perform in slack periods and seem to have some sort of interference.
5. I have no idea of exactly what previous advice is referred to by Mr. Lebofsky. Should he wish to contact me off the list, I can provide an email to him personally. I choose not to publish personal email addresses on the Internet. That does seem redundant though if computers accessed by Mr. Lebofsky are accessing my computer.
6. There is an intriguing possibility that some sort of virus that has not been detected by Norton or other antivirus software is running. I rather doubt that as Norton probably would have caught any software that I had not authorized at some point.

At present, I am stumped. I do have these issues and have noted from views of other threads in the discussion list that I am not the only one with similar problems. Advice or suggestions would be appreciated. Comments about tin foil hats are not and unwarranted.
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3) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5851)
Posted 29 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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Thanks for pointing me to the right place, Pepo.

I think we need confirmation from Mr Co**ingham that that is in fact his own boinc account stats page. This computer seems to have been running not just SETI but also Einstein and Rosetta during the last 24 hours.



Hi, I am a bit concerned as these programs are unknown to me. My name is actually a bit common and I run across others whom I know not to be me in a Google search but the coincidence of processors is a bit uncanny. I am truly puzzled at this point. I'll back up and search through all my rather paltry number of programs and see if Einstein or Rosetta are operating on this machine. I confess I am totally unaware of such programs and am far more interested in employing a different one in my discipline which is why 100% CPU usage has become an issue.

I agree with confirming the account but can't find a way to do it as the email accounts under which I originally began doing business with SETI are long gone. Model and serial number of PC work? I am truly curious.

Contrary to one of the suggestions above, I have not intimated that my PC is being spied upon. I have stated that CPU suage is not under my control and from what I have seen through a Google search, it seems to be used by SETI.For my own reasons, I would rather have control of my property.
4) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5850)
Posted 29 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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If your computer was trickling data up to the SETI server, I would expect to see some recent credits here

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=1650

but there's nothing. On the same page, if you click on 'computers', you'll see that no computer is registered under your name.

That's not that simple, there is no crunching project coupled with BOINC message boards and thus no computers are here :-) Take a look here to see what you are looking for.

Have you got a round boinc B icon in the system tray...

Sure not (see my previous explanation ;-)

Mr. Bruce, are you aware of project names like Einstein, Large Hadron Collider, Rosetta, World Community Grid etc.??


I signed up for SETI some years ago. I am not familiar with these other projects. I have had nothing to do with them to the best of my knowledge.I shall go to the site you recommend and see what is there. I have no BOINC icon in my tray. It is not locatable under searches of the hard drive. I do see postings through Google that a PC that fits the description of mine is transmitting information. I also see usage of my CPU that is unexplainable.
I have deleted all programs save for Word and a spreadsheet program and still see this. Perhaps you have some explanation or advice. I would certainly welcome advice as to why, I keep finding my information linked with this. Please advise.
5) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5849)
Posted 29 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I think we need confirmation from Mr Co**ingham that that is in fact his own boinc account stats page.

I'm sure this will never happen. Also (although stating that "Being a reasonable person...") he writes "You have my contact information and I do not wish to make it available to the world..." and "I provide you with information, aside from extinct email addresses which no longer work, that demonstrate that I do indeed own this PC".

I'm eager to see this information!!!!


I have offered to provide personal information to the managers of the site. I see no reason to provide it to you. Perhaps you are eager to see this information.

Despite the fact that my posting appears to have been deleted, it appears that at least a few have read portions of it.

Good day.I have seen numerous posts with similar problems on this site. I suspect you are a bit naive and can excuse that in the young.


6) Message boards : BOINC Manager : BOINC as cooperative partner? (Message 5846)
Posted 29 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I installed BOINC on a computer that I don't intend to use very often. Maybe 5 times a day for 10 minutes each. I wanted to set it up so that when I was using the computer, BOINC paused and let me do my work. Then, when I was finished, BOINC would pick up where it left off.

I set my preferences for BOINC not to run while the computer was busy, with an idle time of 5 minutes. I figured I was set.

However, when the BOINC screen saver comes on, it reports that BOINC is currently suspended. It goes on to suggest in strong language that I set BOINC to run all the time. It is only when I click "Run always" that it resumes.

What gives? Why should I have to restart BOINC when I'm done using the computer? I don't WANT to "Run always," damn it. What's the problem?




Welcome to the club of the puzzled. I note that earlier posts on another thread were removed. That is fine. My objections stand.
7) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5823)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I do see that I am still transmitting data to seti and when I look at computer usage, I see evidence of the same. I have tried all the usual means of deleting programs.

Are you sure you didn't set a preference in the bookmarks or favorites in your browser(s) to check for new updates of the Seti site?



I have printed off this exchange as I am certain that it may prove useful. I have also captured earlier communications. Enjoy and please answer but not on this board. I will require an answer directed to me. Preferably in hard copy.
8) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5821)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I do see that I am still transmitting data to seti and when I look at computer usage, I see evidence of the same. I have tried all the usual means of deleting programs.

Are you sure you didn't set a preference in the bookmarks or favorites in your browser(s) to check for new updates of the Seti site?



Well, I am tiring of all this fun. You have my complaint and what it would take to rectify the situation. It is fairly simple. It is up to you folks. The ball is in your court as it were. You also have my email address and other contact information. I will be logging off as it seems that we are not going anywhere.

There is a deadline for any communications and that is October 31, 2006. Do what you wish until then and if you can resolve it, that would be nice for me to have my PC back. If not, I will follow up.
9) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5820)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I do see that I am still transmitting data to seti and when I look at computer usage, I see evidence of the same. I have tried all the usual means of deleting programs.

Are you sure you didn't set a preference in the bookmarks or favorites in your browser(s) to check for new updates of the Seti site?


I have jumped through these hoops before. You are still using my PC without my permission. I went through some of these with Lebofsky who told me archly, "We don't have funding for support personnel."
10) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5819)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I do see that I am still transmitting data to seti and when I look at computer usage, I see evidence of the same. I have tried all the usual means of deleting programs.

Are you sure you didn't set a preference in the bookmarks or favorites in your browser(s) to check for new updates of the Seti site?

I have changed browsers since installing Seti at home and never did such a thing.

I am absolutely certain. I did no such thing. This seems an exercise in futility.
11) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5818)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I do see that I am still transmitting data to seti and when I look at computer usage, I see evidence of the same. I have tried all the usual means of deleting programs.

Are you sure you didn't set a preference in the bookmarks or favorites in your browser(s) to check for new updates of the Seti site?

I have changed browsers since installing Seti at home and never did such a thing.
12) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5815)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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Sir, if you have BOINC running on your PC(s), you can uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs in Windows.

If you still have Seti Classic running, you can delete the whole program and directory.


The directory is not visible and I have full rights, I think to this PC. What I would really like is an answer from a real human being as to how to close the account. It is really that simple.
13) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5814)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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Sir, if you have BOINC running on your PC(s), you can uninstall it through Add/Remove Programs in Windows.

If you still have Seti Classic running, you can delete the whole program and directory.

The program is not visible under any scan or look I have done. I reformatted my C and D drives and reloaded data files only as well as essential software such as printer drivers. I scanned those files looking for SETI and didn't find it. I do see that I am still transmitting data to seti and when I look at computer usage, I see evidence of the same. I have tried all the usual means of deleting programs.

All Boinc or Seti has to do is to retireve some contact information and we can close this issue by shutting down communications forever. They have so far ignored me. I am saying, we need to talk.

There are several thousand people who have had similar problems with seti and boinc. It is a fair sized class of people who are reasonably computer literate.
14) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5813)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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I tried it and it doesn't work. Seti doesn't show up on any scans of my PC. It does seem to communicate a great deal each day and slows the performance and causes crashes. I need to get to the source of the matter and get to the root of the problem. Seti is not in any directory under a search of directories but still is communicating with Berkeley. I have searched all files, hidden and otherwise.
15) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Developers request help on finding errors (Message 5811)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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Boinc is a program which is described as using ALL unused cpu processing time. At the lowest of priorities.
So all other programs will have a higher prioity, and therefore be allowed to "push in" and get whatever resources they need. BOINC will ALWAYS take a "back seat" to other programs, unless your computer just doesn't have the resouces needed by the science application, in which case BOINC and the scienc app. may be slow to 'move aside'.



Yeah, It doesn't get "pushed out of the way" very fast on any of my PCs and my PCs are almost unusable as a result. I have reasonably fast processing but was under the mistaken impression that I owned my PC rather than the BOINC folks. I guess I was wrong yet again.
16) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Seti/Boinc is spying on me. (Message 5810)
Posted 28 Sep 2006 by Bruce
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Hi, I am delighted to contact a human being. I installed seti at home a long time ago and have tried to find it and uninstall it as it interferes with other work I am doing. My email has changed in the several years that have elapsed since I volunteered use of my PCs to SETI. I have asked to opt out but have no help with that. Your program is running very much like a virus in the background of my PC and interfering with my use of the machine.

I note that you are still accessing my PC. I have withdrawn my permisssion and have asked for help in resolving this. I contacted Lebofsky and he basically said there was nothing for it.

I reloaded my hard drive and put data files back on my PC but your viral program got in anyway. I am sorry to have wasted days of work. I did my best to get rid of SETI.

The solution is simple. I provide you with information, aside from extinct email addresses which no longer work, that demonstrate that I do indeed own this PC,and you shut down my account and no longer use my property. This is a fair deal. I had sympathy with the objectives of SETI but have no regard for people who use others property after permission is withdrawn. No, means no as they say in cases of rape.

It seems I am unable to remove the software and you are depriving me of a part of the use of my property. I am asking you to stop this as soon as possible. Please do so or I shall be compelled to take legal action under the laws regulating interstate communications.

I would prefer to resolve this amicably. It is within the power of your staff to accomplish this. If you decide not to do so, I shall file a federal complaint about your program as a violation of the applicable federal laws. I have spoken to an attorney already. She has advised me that I have two possible remedies that can be pursued simultaneously. The first is a class action suit on behalf of all the parties who have the same problem as me. The second is a federal criminal complaint. The two are not mutually exclusive.

This is not a threat to any participant in this forum. It is a statement of fact. You may delete it if you choose. I am not writing idly. I have offered a means of resolving the problem. This is entirely within your capability. Should you choose to ignore this request, I will regrettably, have no alternative but to view this as a deliberate attempt to deprive me of use of my property and will take legal action.

Being a reasonable person and quite aware of bureaucracies, I will allow until October 31 for a response. I am making an offer I consider it entirely reasonable for you to return full use of my PC to me in a bit over a month and no longer record any "activity".

Sincerely,

Bruce Cottingham
(You have my contact information and I do not wish to make it available to the world more than you have already done.)





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