Posts by Bryn Mawr

1) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will drain battery on plugged in Mac Book (Message 101780)
Posted 3 days ago by Bryn Mawr
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I asked them, and they confirmed that the System at full load can draw more power than the Charging cord can provide, and in this case the battery will drain. It is not expected that the laptop would be under these conditions for extended periods.

It may also be related to just how much power you can push through a USB-C cable, which is what the MacBook uses. I even tried plugging in TWO power sources, but that doesn't seem to help.


I’d go back to them and ask what they intend to do about it and that “this is how it is” is not an acceptable answer.

That they “don’t expect you” to use the machine to it’s full capability is not a reason why it should not.
2) Message boards : Questions and problems : Boinc will drain battery on plugged in Mac Book (Message 101734)
Posted 5 days ago by Bryn Mawr
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I have a 2019 16" MacBook Pro Laptop. If I let Boinc just run on it, it runs the processor hard enough that the power supply can't keep up and the battery will drain, and sometimes just shutdown from a drained battery. I can turn down my CPU usage to prevent this, but I suspect that I am turning it too far down to keep it from every happening.

What I would like to do is to say that if it happens to pull the battery below say 80% then it should pause unit the battery recharges some, and it can then continue, but the only option available is to suspend when on battery, not when the battery is below x%.

It seems strange that by upgrading to a more powerful computer I am getting a lot less work being done as I need to throttle the processor so much.


Surely this is an Apple problem rather than a Boinc problem in that they’ve supplied a psu that’s not man enough for the job.
3) Message boards : Questions and problems : Einstein takes over (Message 101566)
Posted 15 days ago by Bryn Mawr
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I'm currently running World Community Grid and wanted to try Einstein@Home. The problem is that Einstein completely takes over and squeezes out WCG. Even after changing project resource share so Einstein is 1% and WCG is 99%, Einstein still completely takes over.

The WCG work units are typically 2.5 hours. The Einstein work units are often 2 day plus. When the WCG work units get close to deadline, they will run, but once they're finished, no new ones will download.

I've set store-at-least to 0.3 and additional set to 0 to try to limit these 2 day work units.

I must be missing something.

Boinc version 7.16.11
Windows 10 2004


Boinc has a mechanism whereby it will balance the credit generated for each project over a user selectable period (rec_half_life_days in cc_config.xml, default 10 days) against a user selectable ratio between projects (resource share in project options for each project, default 100). Unfortunately this mechanism does not allow for newly started projects so as soon as you attach to a new project it sees it as being behind the ratio and starts to play catch up.

It will settle down after a few days if you leave it alone :-)
4) Message boards : Questions and problems : Installed projects not showing in tasks (Message 101261)
Posted 24 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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I recently installed BOINC in a new PC, and I have installed 11 projects. Only one project is running in Tasks, (Einstein@Home). It is shown 17 times, and at the present, 6 lines of it are running, 5 lines are Ready to start, and 6 lines are Waiting to run. On my old PC, 6 projects are installed, and in Tasks, 4 are running or wating to run, and none are repeated.

Could anyone suggest what I may be doing wrong on my newer PC so the projects run normally?

Thank you


What you are seeing in Tasks is normal where a single project has supplied you with work on a six core processor. What we have to determine is why the other ten projects have not supplied work units for you to process.

In order to do that could you start by listing those projects so that we can at least make sure that they have work available.
5) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging in to Project websites with BOINC manager (Message 101126)
Posted 17 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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That's only when they have different forums, non-BOINC. A handful have BBCode forums. But the ones that use the built in forums use the BOINC account.


OK, thanks for the clarification.
6) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging in to Project websites with BOINC manager (Message 101118)
Posted 16 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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To get into the forums etc. you need to register, preferably using the same user, email and password as you use for Boinc.
OP shouldn't need to register separately, as since they're running the project already, they already have an account that they can log in to. Well, unless they use Science United, then it's an anonymous account and all bets are off.


I thought that, for some of the projects, you need to register separately to get into the forums if you want to question them directly?
7) Message boards : Questions and problems : Logging in to Project websites with BOINC manager (Message 101115)
Posted 16 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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Hi all,
I've been using BOINC for many years and have just rebuilt my PC and started to allow BOINC to run a lot more on the much-improved hardware.
I am receiving notices for Projects and Friend requests that require me to log in to the project site and when I go there, I am directed to log in via the BOINC manager. I can't find where I do that in BOINC manager. I have tried to log into the sites using authenticators from the XML files, my BOINC user/pass but I'm not validated at any of the sites.

I expect this is a basic thing for you all but I can't see how it's done!

Thanks
Sam Gyseman (LucretiaUK)


I do not know of a facility to log into a project’s website using Boinc manager. If you select the project in the projects screen then it brings up links to various pages on the site but does not log you in.

To get into the forums etc. you need to register, preferably using the same user, email and password as you use for Boinc.
8) Message boards : Questions and problems : gui_rpc_auth.cfg exists but can't be read. Check the File permissions. (Message 101085)
Posted 13 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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I'd be happy to chown gui_rpc_auth.cfg. Where is it?
I've done file searches starting at the root directory, but I still can't find it.

How do I find gui_rpc_auth.cfg?


/etc/boinc-client with a symlink from /var/lib/boinc[-client]

Permissions should be 664 with an owner of root and a group of boinc
9) Message boards : Questions and problems : constant writes to disk by boinc (Message 101048)
Posted 10 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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Hello,

there’s some constant write disk access from boinc being done.

I’ve set the reference point writes to 600 seconds and there’s still writes being done every few seconds.
I’ve suspended all tasks and there’s still writes being done every few seconds.
I’ve changed, just in case the client ignores my local preferences, the preferences of each project (reference point to 600 seconds) and there’s still writes being done.

o.s.: kde neon
client: from repository : 7.16.6 x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
ram: 64 GB

help.
Thanks.


OK, I am guessing here but it sounds reasonable.

Boinc is split into two parts, the client which performs the work and actions the work units and the manager that monitors and reports on progress.

You say that you’ve suspended all tasks and that should have stopped most of the client processing ( although it could still be polling for change of status and storing same) but the manager is still running and it is likely that it is logging the progress (or lack of it) that it is seeing.

As long as the amount of data written is minimal I would not worry about it, just Boinc carrying out its function.
10) Message boards : Questions and problems : elapsed time is misleading (Message 101041)
Posted 10 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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I changed the setting like you said with cpu's to 70% and cpu computing time to 100% resulting in a reduction of 3 tasks to a total of 5 at the same time. Unfortunatetly the remaining cores heat up to about 80 degrees celsius which is way too hot for continous work so I had to revert to the old settings.

With this I am asking for a change in the BOINC manager to show the elapsed and remaining times counting continously irrespective of cpu times setting.The way it is at the moment it is just confusing!


Whether the remaining time drops continuously or jumps is down to the individual project’s application not the Boinc Manager. The elapsed should always count continuously.

For interest, why 70% rather than the 60% you started with? As I understand the max temp for your Ryzen is 95c, certainly my Ryzen 5s were perfectly happy at 80c running 100% cpu although I’ve now rejigged the cooling so they’re now running about 75c.
11) Message boards : Questions and problems : elapsed time is misleading (Message 101033)
Posted 10 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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I have my computer run on 60% of processing time. The elapsed and remaining time both seem to indicate only the time the processor was actually working. So to both times I have to add another 50% or so to get the correct values. Is that just a setting problem or intended that way? I would rather see times which run continously to get a better feeling for changes to more or less processing time for example. Boinc manager version 07.16.07, Windows 10, all projects


Consider setting %cpu to 60 instead of %time, it’s more efficient and your figures will show what you want them to.

Also consider dropping your cache size, you don’t need to hold 160 hours work for one of many projects unless your internet connection is totally unreliable :-)
12) Message boards : Questions and problems : Progress keeps restting (Message 100943)
Posted 4 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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My progress keeps restting the work task was at 96% then rest back to 42% I have uninstalled Boinc and reinstlled with new task but still getting the same problem. Is this a Rositta@home, Boinc? Using Windows 10
Thanks


What was happening around the time it changed? Did you sleep/turn off the machine or was it part way through an uninterrupted run?
13) Message boards : Questions and problems : boinccmd values not matching up with GUI (Message 100942)
Posted 4 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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(and why did we each get a different app_version number?)



All of my tn-grid WUs have been v1.10 regardless of which level of optimisation they’re at. That’s running Ubuntu or Mint.
14) Message boards : Projects : News on Project Outages (Message 100921)
Posted 2 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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Is Einstein@Home out of work, or down, or is there a change I need to make in my BOINC set up to resume getting work from Einstein@Home?


Turn on the work fetch debug logging and see if you are asking for Einstein work.

On new set-ups Rosetta is notorious for downloading far too much work and swamping the cache. It is very possible that the work fetch is saying it cannot cope with the jobs in hand and won’t get more until the cache empties.
15) Message boards : Questions and problems : rpc changes (Message 100914)
Posted 1 Oct 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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Sorry,

You have the

gui_rpc_auth.cfg which is enforced now.

remote_hosts.cfg which is white list of host, this is sort of redundant now as you need the key from gui_rpc_auth to make a connection, so kind of white list on client vs server.


Sorry, I see this as a single mechanism - these are the hosts that can access the system and this is the password that they have to quote. Without the host file anyone with a key logger or anyone monitoring the network link can get the password and access the system.
16) Message boards : Questions and problems : 0% CPU usage on CentOS 7.7.1908 (Message 100801)
Posted 21 Sep 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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I attached BOINC to Rosetta using my cross project id, but the CPU usage is never more than 0%. Is anything wrong?


Yes - have you checked that the client is actually running?
17) Message boards : Projects : Mind Modeling Issue (Message 100795)
Posted 21 Sep 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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In the 5+ hours since I re-attached my y 5 PC's the error message has not shown up..

All that is need now is to get a change in the MASTER BOINC PROJECTS LIST to http for the project to prevent other users from getting the error.


That is controlled by the project rather than Boinc.
18) Message boards : Questions and problems : HOW BAM WORKS? (Message 100731)
Posted 13 Sep 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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Or use the account recovery option at https://www.boincstats.com/bam/accountRecovery


Ah, I’d not spotted that one, thank you :-)
19) Message boards : Questions and problems : Does BOINC suspend partially? (Message 100729)
Posted 13 Sep 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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This might be a total noob question, but that's what I am, so here we go: I'm trying to understand how tasks suspension works in BOINC with WCGrid. There are options as to the maximum number of cores used, and an option to suspend if a certain number of non-BOINC processes are run. To me this seems to suggest that BOINC will either run or suspend ALL tasks, whereas intuitively I would think that on a multiprocessor system suspending only a subset of running tasks would be the way to go, e.g. run on a maximum of 100 out of 120 cores, and if 21 cores are used for other stuff, suspend one task, if 30 are used, suspend 10 etc.. Is my understanding correct?


There is also the option of running x% of CPUs hence 100 out of 120 cores but this is a single limit, not banded.

The main thing to note, however, is that Boinc runs at the lowest possible priority and will automatically stop if any normal process starts.
20) Message boards : Questions and problems : rpc changes (Message 100714)
Posted 12 Sep 2020 by Bryn Mawr
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Hi,

I'm all for the security improvements, but it seems redundant to provide 2 different mechanisms to secure communications between boinc clients?

Could it be considered to use a single mechanism?

Thanks for consideration


For the higgorant amongst us could you list the two mechanisms? I only know of one :-)


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