1) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Displeased with Bonic after several months. (Message 390) Posted 15 Sep 2005 by Rudy Post: Since you are a tester Jord that may explain the more level headed approach to your answers. On my last post I noted that the lower portion was a copied item from the help files. "With all the problems with credit, why not just drop it?" and everything after it was from the help files. I myself stated, as you mentioned, that the past users need the "feel good" of the past credits so I agree with not having to explain that to the past users which is psrt of my original complaint. As for my suggestions, I did mention it and you yourself basically stated an answer to exactly what I was saying is on the way with a new GUI. Hopefully it will make choosing what you want to run and inputting your info a point and click operation that those of us who just play with computers and use them for work will like using. You will never please everybody but you have to please the unwashed majority or only the techies will be running it. Let's face it. The person in this situation is insignifigant. Just the computer is needed. SETI and BOINC just need to make it so the computer owners want to give free computer time.

2) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Displeased with Bonic after several months. (Message 388) Posted 15 Sep 2005 by Rudy Post: Please note that according to the one comment in the help section on credit I copied below I see the point. I would like to clarify I fall under the classification of someone who like to watch the progress instead of just running a program for the heck of it and not knowing anything that happened with it or how much I have done. The BOINC program loading will turn off a lot of the people who know very little about computers. I have helped several friends set up SETI classic and it was as straight forward as it comes. I feel that unless a better install wizard is made the number of users is going to drop. The feeling I get on this board is "who cares?" I know if you make it fool proof only fools will use it but it should be friendly. I have a degree in mechanical engineering and have worked with engineers who have the same attitude. Try working retail for a few years (20 in my case) and you will see the customer is someone you need to please. When they get frustrated they rant (my original post). I feel a screen saver should take no more of my time than the time it takes to load it. If you do not give the customer a "feel good" then you lose that customer. I could go on but this is enough. Thanks for the help and I now know this is all normal and I'll decide if I want to keep running it. I know we can't be the most intelligent life form out there or the universe is in trouble. With all the problems with credit, why not just drop it? We are attempting to attract the largest base of Participants to perform needed science. If we can get more Participants to donate time, lets face it, we need to do what is necessary to, um, attract them. If you don't care, it's cool, you can avoid all of the debates (please do avoid them, they are a complete, for the most part, waste of time I can imagine) and are none the worse for it. But a lot of our heavy contributors are "Crunchers" and it is a relatively easy way to rope them in.

3) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Displeased with Bonic after several months. (Message 386) Posted 15 Sep 2005 by Rudy Post: If I read this correctly all account of my last 6 years and 4300 units completed are gone with BOINC and Seti classic will be closed down so this happens to everyone? The credits in Classic aren't compatible with the credits in Boinc. So the old ones won't be added to the new ones, ever.[/quote]

4) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Displeased with Bonic after several months. (Message 383) Posted 15 Sep 2005 by Rudy Post: I run Seti on a home computer. I belong to no team so they are mine only. And as for Bill comments about me flaming on the wrong site I would loke to know how it is the wrong site. I am not really flaming other than venting my frustration. I have looked around the BOINC site looking to see how to regain my credits but have found nothing. When I went to the one place that said I could import my past credits and tried it it said it was already done. If this is a SETI problem I apologize but it is a problem that only happened when I went to BOINC. Notice I did not complain of the over 2 weeks I got to watch the BOINC emblem as a screen saver because the system was down because I figured that was Seti. This happend after changing to BOINC and I had run only 2 new credits. The only advantage I see is I am back to completing a download in under 4 hours where Seti classic was taking over 20 and the 3D graphics look neat but honestly I have them go black after just a few minutes. Rudy

5) Message boards : BOINC Manager : Displeased with Bonic after several months. (Message 372) Posted 15 Sep 2005 by Rudy Post: I finally installed BOINC after seeing how the site seemed to push for me to use it and for some reason my Seti classic was taking over 20 hours to run a script that used to take under 4 hours so I figured it was configured now for BOINC. Installing BOINC is anything but intuitive. When I finally got it set up I saw where to import my Seti Classic credits so I tried it and it said it had already been done. So I let it start running and of course I had 0 credits. I lost 150 credits once before when I changed ISPs and learned there was a password I needed that they would only send to my email address that was no longer active. Now I have lost another 4300 credits because of a bug in the new software. Since seeing my credits is the only satisfaction I get for running my computer 24/7 with Seti computations it really causes me to lose all motivation to continue. The new software is terrible and if I don't see my credits soon and the system gets up and running correctly I will just drop the whole thing.

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