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Message 77312 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 15:14:47 UTC

Main website is showing maintenance as expected, Beta website is missing. Wild guess, it is powered down. That could mean some hardware debugging.

Don't think any of the IST DNS work applies. Looks like that is all downstream of where Seti branches off the main campus feed.
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Message 77315 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 15:33:55 UTC

Think the "Server Status" page should be updated :-)

Standing Outage Notice: Every Tuesday morning (Pacific Time) we have a regular 3-4 hour outage for database backup (and other system maintenance). Most servers and web site functions will be off during these outages.

[As of 11 Apr 2017, 15:20:03 UTC]
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Message 77316 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 15:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 77315.  

If you check the link there, you'll see that's the old HTML page that temporarily gets linked to. It's the cached page and all and isn't the normal SSP, which instead lives these days under https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/server_status.php - but which on Tuesdays when it's offline points to the sah_status.html page.
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Message 77318 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 16:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 77316.  

Hmmm, your links when clicked on, just gives white screen & black text on both. Both still say 3-4 outage.

At least this one still gives pretty colours :-)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_server_status.php
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Message 77320 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 17:10:52 UTC - in response to Message 77319.  

Not rocket science - it's the one you get from the navigation bar.

I think DNS is back - so everybody else is clogging up my nice fast link ;-)
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Message 77322 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 17:13:41 UTC

Sorry Richard, really sorry ;-)
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Message 77323 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 17:13:52 UTC
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Hrm... I go to the SETI main page which has the outage notice and under Computing > Server Status it links to SIrius' colorful one https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_server_status.php not the B&W one.
Edit: Beaten to it as usual. :^p
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Message 77324 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 17:15:55 UTC - in response to Message 77323.  

Yup, they've changed the page name again. It used to be server_status.php, and is now show_server_status.php
So if you have a bookmark, like good old me, then it points to the old page, which in turn goes to the old HTML link when the project is down. And because the old HTML link is no longer used, it's the colourless B&W page.
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Message 77327 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 20:29:46 UTC - in response to Message 77324.  

Yup, they've changed the page name again. It used to be server_status.php, and is now show_server_status.php
So if you have a bookmark, like good old me, then it points to the old page, which in turn goes to the old HTML link when the project is down. And because the old HTML link is no longer used, it's the colourless B&W page.

I thought that changed with the new layout?
The bookmark I have points to show_server_status.php. The oldest backup of my bookmarks I currently have is from Jan which also has show_server_status.php.
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Message 77330 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 22:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 77324.  

Yup, they've changed the page name again. It used to be server_status.php, and is now show_server_status.php
So if you have a bookmark, like good old me, then it points to the old page, which in turn goes to the old HTML link when the project is down. And because the old HTML link is no longer used, it's the colourless B&W page.

Are you sure it isn't used? I suspect it is the input to the PHP where it gets married to the CSS and made all sexy for humans.
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Message 77331 - Posted: 11 Apr 2017, 23:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 77327.  
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In the BOINC code it still is server_status.php: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/html/user/server_status.php
It even says in the documentation:
BOINC-based projects offer the following XML export at <code>URL/server_status.php</code>
But Seti being Seti, they always do things differently.

@Gary, the HTML page was officially deprecated in favor of the PHP page. It's still being updated (and cached), but it's not the official page.
The HTML page was deprecated because the new bootstrap code couldn't handle the page being HTML. Remember that when you were on the HTML page that you didn't see that you were logged in (on the right), and didn't have a link to your account from Project? That's why it is now no longer used, and instead we have the PHP page.

**Edit: Aarrgghhh, extra white lines.
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Message 77332 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 1:50:01 UTC - in response to Message 77331.  

In the BOINC code it still is server_status.php: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/html/user/server_status.php
It even says in the documentation:
BOINC-based projects offer the following XML export at <code>URL/server_status.php</code>
But Seti being Seti, they always do things differently.

@Gary, the HTML page was officially deprecated in favor of the PHP page. It's still being updated (and cached), but it's not the official page.
The HTML page was deprecated because the new bootstrap code couldn't handle the page being HTML. Remember that when you were on the HTML page that you didn't see that you were logged in (on the right), and didn't have a link to your account from Project? That's why it is now no longer used, and instead we have the PHP page.

**Edit: Aarrgghhh, extra white lines.

It makes things even more odd since SETI@home Beta is using server_status.php
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Message 77336 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 6:25:26 UTC - in response to Message 77331.  

In the BOINC code it still is server_status.php: https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/blob/master/html/user/server_status.php
It even says in the documentation:
BOINC-based projects offer the following XML export at <code>URL/server_status.php</code>
But Seti being Seti, they always do things differently.
Yes, and SETI does have a lot more servers to show the status of than your average BOINC project. (Main project, that is, not Beta - that doesn't need the extra bits.)

But the users asked for the change, and David provided it. We were all there at the time: Message 1837602.
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Message 77339 - Posted: 12 Apr 2017, 8:18:14 UTC - in response to Message 77336.  

Yes, and SETI does have a lot more servers to show the status of than your average BOINC project.
Which, for the name of the server page, shouldn't matter one iota. Whether it's called show_server_status page, or lookie_here_this_is_our_all_server_divided_into_colourful_columns_and_daily_fireworks page, that doesn't matter one thing for the contents of the page. Whether that shows a server more or less is just dependent on whether it can be monitored and if its lines of code are added.

But the users asked for the change, and David provided it. We were all there at the time...
Some more than others. Going back through the thread I don't see anyone asking for the name change, though, just that they could use the navigation bar equally on all pages - which is what this fixed in the end. .
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Message 77386 - Posted: 16 Apr 2017, 4:36:32 UTC

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Message 77406 - Posted: 17 Apr 2017, 19:09:06 UTC

Since nobody has posted here in a while I will remind any who read this thread to prepare for tomorrow's outrage.
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Message 77415 - Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 7:08:04 UTC

I'm still pondering what to do with the speedman account. In the past Knut has said he wanted it banished, I never got around to doing that.
And with the whole onslaught of other Knut accounts here, perhaps we should just say good bye to all his accounts and ask him to please leave us alone?
At least it has set wheels in motion on email validation, a thing that's coming to BOINC in the near future.
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Message 77418 - Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 11:14:49 UTC

At least it has set wheels in motion on email validation, a thing that's coming to BOINC in the near future.


Now that is a good thing, hopefully reduce the spammers as well.

Need to get it at SETI too
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Message 77422 - Posted: 18 Apr 2017, 12:07:46 UTC - in response to Message 77420.  
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Bloody hell Chris , your language there coming from you ;-0 , i would of said , please go fornicate with yourself or another of the few phrases i know that mean the same thing ;-)

Could be said in a certain " other " place we both know
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