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Message 63385 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 17:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 63382.  

Oh man, no DB backups.
Seriously?
What the......

The BOINC server doesn't really do much database work. But I do hope they backed up both

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Please contact the server administrator, boincadm@isaac.ssl.berkeley.edu and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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Message 63386 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 17:59:03 UTC - in response to Message 63384.  

What made you think it was php?

All pages under BOINC are normally PHP, and the actual page in the source code is also called server_status.php

I don't have a bookmark to the SSP, so typed in the address in the address bar. As soon as I typed 's' at the end of Seti's address, that PHP page came up first.
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Message 63387 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 18:11:15 UTC - in response to Message 63386.  

I usually open it from the link on the front page (second column, under 'ABOUT'). The page source for that column

<a href=sah_about.php class=menu>About SETI@home</a></nobr><br>
<a href=ap_faq.php class=menu>About Astropulse</a></nobr><br>
<a href=sah_sci_newsletters.php class=menu>Science newsletters</a></nobr><br>
<a href=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/tech_news.php class=menu>Technical news</a></nobr><br>
<a href=sah_status.html class=menu>Server status</a></nobr><br>
<a href=sci_status.html class=menu>Science status</a></nobr><br>
<a href=kiosk/ class=menu>World view</a></nobr><br>
<a href=sah_about.php class=menu>... more</a></nobr><br>

shows a mixture of php and html pages - SETI never did adopt all the BOINC rules ;)
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Message 63389 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 18:54:54 UTC - in response to Message 63386.  

What made you think it was php?

All pages under BOINC are normally PHP, and the actual page in the source code is also called server_status.php

I don't have a bookmark to the SSP, so typed in the address in the address bar. As soon as I typed 's' at the end of Seti's address, that PHP page came up first.

Ah, it used to be. Then the spaghetti of the machines became too much and that page died and went away about with the last v.6 work unit.
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Message 63394 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 19:52:45 UTC - in response to Message 63390.  

I thought that Matt & Jeff worked for Seti@home, are we now to understand that they also work for BOINC as well? Are BOINC's servers also in the COLO as well as Seti's?

BOINC only had one server, called Isaac. Yes, it was moved to the colo at some point as well (previously it ran from a cabinet in David's office).

I suppose Matt and Jeff work on the server because they know more about servers -and getting data from dead ones- than David alone does.

As for the backups, I have asked about that in the past. Don't think I ever got an answer. Hopefully the User Manual wiki can be restored, as I only have one and a half page of it in Notepad++, as I just worked on it last week.
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Message 63395 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 20:03:31 UTC

Just to mitigate some confusion. Jeff and I informally help BOINC out from time to time because of the natural dependencies between BOINC and SETI@home. The BOINC "servers" is actually just one server, which is an old donated frankenstein machine recently prone to crashing. I've been trying to get BOINC moved to another server but a worthwhile stable machine has yet to materialize. Also the time and coordination to disrupt everything to do this migration to whatever new server also has yet to materialize.

Over the weekend the root filesystem got corrupted somehow and was unfixable. I suspect a bad PS caused some fs corruption during various recent unexpected reboots. I was able to get a temporary web server on line, and then on Monday I made this other server the temporary (and perhaps permanent) new BOINC server. This *was* a former compute server for SETI@home, so we're down one machine on the S@h front. So be it.

Of course we do backups of that machine. The mysql database I recovered at first was a red herring - it was an old mysql dir masquerading as the current one (hence all the posts missing since 2013). I had to get a new version pulled from the lab's backup tapes (which took all night as they were in process of doing some maintenance). We could do a *better* job of backing things up so recovery is faster/easier, but the budget line item for my BOINC salary and server hardware upgrades for the past N years has been $0. Anyway, lessons learned, etc.

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Message 63397 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 20:28:50 UTC

Wasn't someone on Seti offering up an old server some time ago? I suppose for the use of the BOINC web server, you don't really need 8 CPUs, 128GB RAM and 14TB of SSDs?
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Message 63398 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 21:04:47 UTC
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Thank you Matt. A big THANK YOU

Oh, and a welcome to the boards for post number 1
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Message 63404 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 3:40:23 UTC

Just a thought. If Matt could put together specs for a new Boinc Server, maybe we could get a donation drive going. Hardware, not Cash.

Once I have the wishlist, I am willing to monitor the drive.

Since I am done with the T-shirts, I need a new labor of love.
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Message 63412 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 17:41:52 UTC - in response to Message 63404.  

Just a thought. If Matt could put together specs for a new Boinc Server, maybe we could get a donation drive going. Hardware, not Cash.

Once I have the wishlist, I am willing to monitor the drive.

Since I am done with the T-shirts, I need a new labor of love.


Uli could you put some focus to getting a project budget published please? I know others have been asking as well.
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Message 63413 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 22:29:57 UTC

Believe me, I have asked. That falls to Eric and he just doesn't have the time.
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Message 63420 - Posted: 6 Aug 2015, 11:06:32 UTC

No such luck Chris. Eric is busy elsewhere.
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Message 63426 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 16:03:25 UTC - in response to Message 63425.  

Funnily enough I asked 3 people behind the scenes now what they expect of a new BOINC server, so we can possibly start a crowd-funding or donation drive for one. Utter silence on that as well. So either no one knows, or they just don't need a new server.
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Message 63427 - Posted: 7 Aug 2015, 22:29:27 UTC

Well, I see we are back up!
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Message 63429 - Posted: 8 Aug 2015, 6:04:38 UTC - in response to Message 63426.  

Funnily enough I asked 3 people behind the scenes now what they expect of a new BOINC server, so we can possibly start a crowd-funding or donation drive for one. Utter silence on that as well. So either no one knows, or they just don't need a new server.


Ageless too bad--could run a fundraiser via Bitcoin Utopia. I've run a couple good cash-raisers over there
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Message 63465 - Posted: 11 Aug 2015, 13:27:39 UTC

Hmmm, early or late today? My guess 16:10 GMT :-)
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Message 63466 - Posted: 11 Aug 2015, 15:16:52 UTC

I forgot it's Tuesday. ;~)
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Message 63468 - Posted: 11 Aug 2015, 15:20:42 UTC

Good morning everyone. :-)
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Message 63469 - Posted: 11 Aug 2015, 15:31:11 UTC

Everyone done reading up about Google going to become part of Alphabet Inc?
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Message 63470 - Posted: 11 Aug 2015, 15:35:45 UTC - in response to Message 63469.  

Google fiber optics is coming to my town next, woo hoo!!
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