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Message 40344 - Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 11:37:13 UTC

Tried 6.12.38 x64 on Win8 x64.
Would not install normally (default settings):

Failed to add user to the 'boinc_admins' group (BOINC Master).

Tried installing in Protected Application mode.

Worked as a daemon, but my purpose was to test GPU projects, and running as a daemon excludes these project!

24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Starting BOINC client version 6.12.38 for windows_x86_64
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Config: report completed tasks immediately
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Config: use all coprocessors
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Config: zero long-term debts on startup
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.21.6 OpenSSL/1.0.0d zlib/1.2.5
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Running as a daemon
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Running under account boinc_master
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 42 Stepping 7]
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Processor: 256.00 KB cache
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 syscall nx lm vmx tm2 popcnt aes pbe
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | OS: Microsoft Windows 8: Developer Preview x64 Edition, (06.02.8102.00)
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Memory: 3.98 GB physical, 7.47 GB virtual
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Disk: 931.00 GB total, 913.54 GB free
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Local time is UTC +1 hours
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | Poem@Home | URL http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/; Computer ID 100147; resource share 10
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | Docking | URL http://docking.cis.udel.edu/; Computer ID 100132; resource share 10
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 4228718; resource share 1
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | GPUGRID | URL http://www.gpugrid.net/; Computer ID 108009; resource share 1000
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | malariacontrol.net | URL http://www.malariacontrol.net/; Computer ID 208953; resource share 10
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | World Community Grid | URL http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/; Computer ID 1728246; resource share 100
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | World Community Grid | General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 16-Sep-2011 23:56:48)
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | World Community Grid | Computer location: bert
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | General prefs: using separate prefs for bert
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Reading preferences override file
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Preferences:
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | max memory usage when active: 3258.08MB
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | max memory usage when idle: 3258.08MB
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | max disk usage: 90.00GB
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | don't use GPU while active
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
24/09/2011 12:26:44 | | Not using a proxy
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_526_34293_0_1316181738_3 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_524_39185_0_1316815990_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_521_39184_0_1316815871_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_517_39185_0_1316815990_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_516_39185_0_1316815990_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_515_39185_0_1316815990_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_512_39185_0_1316815990_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1200_510_39185_0_1316815989_0 resumed by user
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24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1161_508_39183_0_1316815775_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | malariacontrol.net | task wu_1155_411_39182_0_1316815763_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:09 | Docking | task 1g2k1m0b_mod0014crossdockinghiv1_22371_114857_0 resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:28:10 | malariacontrol.net | Starting task wu_1200_524_39185_0_1316815990_0 using openMalariaB version 657
24/09/2011 12:28:10 | malariacontrol.net | Starting task wu_1200_521_39184_0_1316815871_0 using openMalariaB version 657
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24/09/2011 12:28:10 | malariacontrol.net | Starting task wu_1190_526_39181_0_1316815755_0 using openMalariaB version 657
24/09/2011 12:28:10 | malariacontrol.net | Starting task wu_1161_508_39183_0_1316815775_0 using openMalariaB version 657
24/09/2011 12:28:10 | malariacontrol.net | Starting task wu_1200_526_34293_0_1316181738_3 using openMalariaB version 657
24/09/2011 12:28:10 | malariacontrol.net | Starting task wu_1200_516_39185_0_1316815990_0 using openMalariaB version 657
24/09/2011 12:33:41 | Einstein@Home | work fetch resumed by user
24/09/2011 12:33:42 | Einstein@Home | update requested by user
24/09/2011 12:33:45 | Einstein@Home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
24/09/2011 12:33:45 | Einstein@Home | Not reporting or requesting tasks
24/09/2011 12:33:47 | Einstein@Home | Scheduler request completed
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Message 40345 - Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 11:56:03 UTC - in response to Message 40344.  

Tried 6.12.38 x64 on Win8 x64.
Would not install normally (default settings):

Failed to add user to the 'boinc_admins' group (BOINC Master).

See this FAQ for a possible workaround (adding the user name by hand to the correct group).

Worked as a daemon, but my purpose was to test GPU projects, and running as a daemon excludes these project!

Yes, that's known, same behaviour on Windows Vista and 7. That's a Windows session 0 security measure, where the drivers and services run in a different session than the user accounts. Added to that the temporary workaround that disables ATI GPU detection at all when installed as a service.
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Message 40348 - Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 13:36:58 UTC - in response to Message 40345.  

Tried that from the command prompt, but it said I already was a member of the boinc_admins group. Also, added my account to the boinc_users group, but made no difference:

Logged on as an administrator, ran the Boinc Install as an administrator, but got the same message,
    Failed to add user to the 'boinc_admins' group (BOINC Master).

Not really sure any of that was applicable; I expect W8 Preview is a Pro version.
So could this just be an issue with the Boinc installation software?
Perhaps not getting a recognized response from the system when attempting to add to the boinc_admins group? I mean it's not written for W8 and the wizard reports that it was interrupted following the above error message.

PS. An alternative to trying this from the command prompt for W8, would be:
Start+R, MMC, add local users and groups snapin, save to desktop, close, right click and run as administrator, change user memberships.

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Message 40349 - Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 14:58:38 UTC - in response to Message 40348.  

I expect W8 Preview is a Pro version.

Which isn't one of the versions that the W8 patch detects. See source code entry.

So could this just be an issue with the Boinc installation software?
Perhaps not getting a recognized response from the system when attempting to add to the boinc_admins group? I mean it's not written for W8 and the wizard reports that it was interrupted following the above error message.

Did you reboot at any time? The patch is written for the W8 beta versions that are available.

I think it's more of a thing with Windows 8, that does something differently. But I'll forward your plight to the developers, let them tell what it could be.
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Message 40350 - Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 15:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 40349.  

I expect W8 Preview is a Pro version.

Which isn't one of the versions that the W8 patch detects. See source code entry.

That changeset is the source code for the client, determining how it behaves after installation.

skgiven's problem is with the installer, which will use different code entirely. Agreed, they should both have been updated at the same time, and should most likely both have been updated from the same list - but it ain't necessarily so.

While I'm on, a couple of messages back Jord wrote

... the temporary workaround that disables ATI GPU detection at all when installed as a service.

The actual checkins say "Disable GPU detection of Windows when running as a service" - no mention of limiting it to ATI only, and the code change appears to be in a section that applies to both ATI and CUDA.

I'd prefer it the way Jord wrote it - I don't see why my NVidia/XP hosts should need to be reconfigured because of an ATI coding choice.

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Message 40354 - Posted: 24 Sep 2011, 17:51:48 UTC - in response to Message 40350.  

While there is a W8 Pro version, by 'Pro' I just meant a professional version, as opposed to a home edition version that can't be added to a domain, and is likely to be missing things.
The actual name is 'Windows developer preview' (WindowsDeveloperPreview-64bit-English.iso), apparently not on your list either.

Anyway, with installer problems and 6.12.38 disabling the GPU/preventing recognition, I am a long way from being able to test any GPU project.

Some CPU projects might still be interested in testing W8. So far as I can see, it works reasonably well; for a pre-beta using a Boinc-beta. Did notice a few tasks fail after forcing a reboot once, they did not recover from their last checkpoint, but that's about it so far. Lots of other programs don't work too well (including CPUZ) but Boinc is surprisingly stable.
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Message 40381 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 19:46:10 UTC
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.38 disables all GPU detection when installed as a service. It appears that AMD and Nvidia are trying to push GPU processing into large scale grid systems. I figured it was safer to disable GPU detection for everybody than try to figure out that system/driver combination was working/not working this month.

We'll re-enable it after the big shake up is completed and we understand what the new way of doing things looks like.

As far as Windows 8 is concerned, any major tweak to BOINC will more than likely come after Beta 1 is released. This release of Windows 8 was primarily meant for those who are planning on rolling out Metro applications. I would expect quirky things to happen until they lock down the APIs for beta.
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Message 40475 - Posted: 30 Sep 2011, 6:50:52 UTC - in response to Message 40381.  

Thanks for the clarification, Rom. I have one question : does this only work for BOINC service install, or would it also work for normal install, where boinc.exe is started as a scheduled task at windows startup?

The reason I want to do it this way (which used to work till the ATI 11.7 drivers) is that I do want to use the GPU when I login myself, but I also want BOINC to run when the PC is used by someone else. If I login, I simply kill the scheduled task, start BOINC manager and presto, BOINC starts and GPU goes to work (well, used to in the pre-11.7 era. Now, the scheduled task suffers from the same issue as the service install does)

I could of course do a service install to have BOINC run no matter if anyone logged in, or who logged in. But that way, I can not run GPU applications ever.
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Message 40609 - Posted: 8 Oct 2011, 21:26:02 UTC

The 11.10 Catalysts have not fixed this yet.
The special Rage Performance drivers won't fix this either.

Tested with both with BOINC 6.12.37 and service installation.
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Message 40979 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 3:11:50 UTC

I appear to be having the same problem. Just noticed tonight the "connecting to local host" message and a complete lack of activity since late September as reported at the SETI page. I am running version 6.12.34 64 bit as a service on Windows 7 and have Catalyst version 11.8.
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Message 40987 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 11:10:25 UTC - in response to Message 40979.  

You wouldn't have any GPU detection anyway, as the service installation of BOINC will not detect ATI or Nvidia GPUs on Windows 7 or Vista, due to the way that these Windows versions separate the user accounts from the level where the drivers and services run. This is a Windows security feature. It's not something for BOINC to fix, but for Microsoft or the GPU driver manufacturers.

Windows XP does not do this separation of drivers and state, so there you can install BOINC up to 6.12.37 as a service and enjoy your GPUs. 6.12.38 and later have the GPU detection turned off, when BOINC is installed as a service.
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Message 41092 - Posted: 9 Nov 2011, 19:51:33 UTC

The latest available versions are:
6.12.43 32bit version
6.12.43 64bit version

(Also available for Mac and Linux).
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Message 42210 - Posted: 24 Jan 2012, 19:38:57 UTC - in response to Message 40305.  

The problem is still with the ATI 11.7 (or 11.8) catalysts, which break the detection of the card. If you do not use your GPU, you can get around this with a cc_config.xml file that contains the following lines:

<cc_config>
    <options>
        <no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
    </options>
</cc_config> 


This will require a restart of the client.

THIS. Thank you, Ageless!
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Message 42642 - Posted: 20 Feb 2012, 21:19:00 UTC - in response to Message 42638.  
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I'm having the same problem on Win7 on an ATI gfx card. How do I find my driver version?

By opening Catalyst Control Centre and looking at the Software Version in the Information Section, the Catalyst version is what you're looking for,

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Message 42701 - Posted: 23 Feb 2012, 11:22:26 UTC
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I just want to say thank you for the information.
It is very valuable for me..newbie here and encountering the same situation.
Thanks and keep up the good work..
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Message 43021 - Posted: 14 Mar 2012, 0:53:25 UTC

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Message 47387 - Posted: 18 Jan 2013, 16:22:47 UTC

I also ran into a similar issue with installing the Citrix solution. It apparently does some magic with the video drivers in enabling its remote solution. It was causing port 31416 to be blocked, it would sit at SYN_SENT and never get an ACK.

Workaround was to disable the graphics card use.

<cc_config>
<options>
<no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config
>

Thought I'd post here for future surfers.

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