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Message 39033 - Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 22:44:42 UTC

http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=2511

There has been some discussion of this on the Seti Boards
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64792
And a Milkyway moderator popped over and didn't like that people on other projects were taking exception to their plans.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64792&nowrap=true#1128398

It does kind of make a total shambles of the credit system. And with the actions of their moderator it looks like they know it.

I'm wondering if Milkyway should be removed from the list of BOINC projects that you can attach too.
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Message 39037 - Posted: 17 Jul 2011, 23:35:59 UTC - in response to Message 39033.  

Choosing which projects they want to run has always been and will always be a user prerogative. It's nothing Berkeley will decide for you.

The only projects that Berkeley will not advertise about are the obscure, the ones asking or offering you money, etc.

As far as credits go, well, that's what the CreditNew formula is for. Hopefully it'll work in some near future. Nothing said about BOINC 7, which will run in a different way than present BOINC, and start to ignore high-paying projects when run in combination with normal-paying projects. But that's also something for the near future.
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Message 39044 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:15:56 UTC - in response to Message 39037.  

The only projects that Berkeley will not advertise about are the obscure, the ones asking or offering you money, etc.

Seems like saying for every $500 donate we will extend the double credit a day is asking for money, but maybe that is my perspective on it.

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Message 39050 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 5:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 39047.  
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You're gonna get banished over there for that comment, Dag.

Anyway, let me just say that something is afoot in the background. I won't say anything about it until hopefully MW admin does so first, but let me tell you that it's going to be an either... or... decision for the Milkyway project.
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Message 39058 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 9:56:32 UTC

The whole issue of crunchers being asked to fund(donate to) projects, irks me. We're volunteering our cpu cycles isn't that enough?
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Message 39074 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 15:02:44 UTC
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Dear MilkyWay@home volunteers,

It appears that I have made a mis-step in management of MilkyWay@Home, regarding double credits for fundraising. I believed that this had been done before. I have since discovered that not only I was incorrect, but it is also inconsistent with the BOINC credit system. As volunteers, you have donated enormous computational resources to my group, and on top of that have created a powerful community that not only helps us with software but also teaches us how to be responsible members of your community. We will be running double credit two days this week to make up for lost credit in the past, but we will not be running a double credit fundraiser in September. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. I will need a little time to understand what the right way is to do this, so stay tuned.

Best Wishes,
Prof. Newberg

David asked them politely to reconsider this double credit for donations scheme, he did not give an ultimatum though. He did offer help on activating the 'green star for donations' option that's built into the BOINC forum software. Let's hope Milkyway takes him up on that offer.
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Message 39087 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 20:26:52 UTC - in response to Message 39074.  

As per this post:

Dear MilkyWay@home volunteers,

It appears that I have made a mis-step in management of MilkyWay@Home, regarding double credits for fundraising. I believed that this had been done before. I have since discovered that not only I was incorrect, but it is also inconsistent with the BOINC credit system. As volunteers, you have donated enormous computational resources to my group, and on top of that have created a powerful community that not only helps us with software but also teaches us how to be responsible members of your community. We will be running double credit two days this week to make up for lost credit in the past, but we will not be running a double credit fundraiser in September. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. I will need a little time to understand what the right way is to do this, so stay tuned.

Best Wishes,
Prof. Newberg

David asked them politely to reconsider this double credit for donations scheme, he did not give an ultimatum though. He did offer help on activating the 'green star for donations' option that's built into the BOINC forum software. Let's hope Milkyway takes him up on that offer.



Thanks for posting that Ageless. I'm the OP of the "Boinc Death Knell" thread & didn't really want to start it. However, I personally felt that those matters had to be brought out into the open as I've always been one for open communication.

The posts being made recently have been very interesting & informative. I genuinely hope that Dr A & his team can get this credit problem as well as the niggling little errors that have been creeping into Boinc sorted asap.
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Message 39115 - Posted: 19 Jul 2011, 20:27:53 UTC - in response to Message 39058.  

The whole issue of crunchers being asked to fund(donate to) projects, irks me. We're volunteering our cpu cycles isn't that enough?

I would have thought it was enough, but any non-profit organization has the right to seek donations in a reasonable way. I declined to take advatage of their two day double credits starting any time now since I prefer not to accept credits I haven't crunched for.


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Message 39140 - Posted: 20 Jul 2011, 17:36:34 UTC

It seams as they did not informed and got a green light from the BOINC administration before they released this idea to the public.

If that is the case then it was the main error they did but we all make our mistakes, hopefully they learned something.
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