5.10.20 - uploading but not reporting

Message boards : BOINC client : 5.10.20 - uploading but not reporting
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 · 2

AuthorMessage
David Stites

Send message
Joined: 13 Mar 06
Posts: 14
United States
Message 12752 - Posted: 27 Sep 2007, 1:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 12698.  
Last modified: 27 Sep 2007, 1:31:50 UTC

Where would I lobby to get this changed back? Or at least give us a choice? I participate in one project in which its Resource Share and the length of time for processing a result (more than a day) will cause the Ready to Report status to always last 24 hours. In the second of the three projects I support it will occur frequently. That's two out of three, which is unacceptable. I thought there would be more activity in this thread, as other people would be as irritated as I, but that hasn't happened. Don't other people care about this?


I don't. My concept of helping is to let them tell me what they want me to do and then doing it. I don't try to tell them what or how.
ID: 12752 · Report as offensive
Metod, S56RKO

Send message
Joined: 9 Sep 05
Posts: 128
Slovenia
Message 12758 - Posted: 27 Sep 2007, 12:44:15 UTC - in response to Message 12752.  

My concept of helping is to let them tell me what they want me to do and then doing it. I don't try to tell them what or how.


Sometimes by-passer's idea of helping is not acceptable to the one asking for help. It is quite understandable to me that in those cases help offered gets rejected. Most of times it's nothing personal.
Metod ...
ID: 12758 · Report as offensive
Uioped1
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 2 Mar 06
Posts: 12
United States
Message 12769 - Posted: 27 Sep 2007, 20:29:17 UTC

I don't really care about this, but I have noticed something that seems less than desirable: I usually am disconnected from the internet, so when I reconnect, I usually need more work. Boinc will send a scheduler request for more work, but this almost always occurs before all of the tasks are uploaded, so in my case it doubles the number of connections I make to the server, rather than reducing them.
ID: 12769 · Report as offensive
ohiomike
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 26 Dec 06
Posts: 26
United States
Message 13165 - Posted: 20 Oct 2007, 16:30:40 UTC

The send results definitely needs to be an option. I run between 6 and 11 machines full time. When I walk by and check the status with BoincView, the new version makes it look like multiple projects are down. I then had to either check each project by hand or do updates on all to see what was doing on. If I wanted a bunch of software making decisions for me, I would say so. Until SETI, Einstein, and Cosmo manage to stay up 24/7/365, I'm back to version 5.10.13-.

ID: 13165 · Report as offensive
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Help desk expert
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Aug 05
Posts: 14732
Netherlands
Message 13166 - Posted: 20 Oct 2007, 17:59:48 UTC - in response to Message 13165.  

If I wanted a bunch of software making decisions for me, I would say so.

Now now, you do trust BOINC enough to get you new work, done all by itself, without you needing to press any buttons or jump through any (flaming) hoops.
ID: 13166 · Report as offensive
Nothing But Idle Time

Send message
Joined: 7 Nov 05
Posts: 17
United States
Message 13170 - Posted: 20 Oct 2007, 23:17:52 UTC - in response to Message 12758.  

My concept of helping is to let them tell me what they want me to do and then doing it. I don't try to tell them what or how.


Sometimes by-passer's idea of helping is not acceptable to the one asking for help. It is quite understandable to me that in those cases help offered gets rejected. Most of times it's nothing personal.

In practice there are various forms of volunteerism. Some do so without asking for anything in return (the purists), others want more of a partnership with give-and-take on both sides. The purists may disdain the latter, but there is nothing wrong with either form of volunteerism and they are not mutually exclusive. If the purists were to have their way then most projects would have a much smaller collection of computers at their disposal and that would not be as productive. So I don't see any harm in having a little something for everybody who participates in BOINC. The dilemma is determining where to draw the line and who gets to decide.
ID: 13170 · Report as offensive
Metod, S56RKO

Send message
Joined: 9 Sep 05
Posts: 128
Slovenia
Message 13194 - Posted: 22 Oct 2007, 8:03:40 UTC - in response to Message 13170.  
Last modified: 22 Oct 2007, 8:05:55 UTC

So I don't see any harm in having a little something for everybody who participates in BOINC. The dilemma is determining where to draw the line and who gets to decide.


Or, better yet, who is to draw the line. And the answer is clear: project management. As BOINC itself has many project managers, it's up to their consent about what to do. I don't know how democratic the debate between them is, but at the end its all about: Berkeley created BOINC, they put it on open for use by anybody and it's up to anybody do decide about fitness for their special needs. If they find it fit, they are welcome to use it and to make suggestions which, in turn, might get accepted or not by Berkeley.

The picture is almost identical when it comes to users: they can join the flock if they see it fit. If they want to have it different, they can make suggestions and those can be accepted or not. If an user finds the whole system not acceptable anymore and gets frustrated by the fact that his/her suggestions were not accepted, then he/she is more than welcome to leave the flock.

In case when Berkeley rejects too many good suggestions, which in turn, frustrate too many users, then all of projects (including Berkeley's own) will loose and that may (or may not) force Berkeley to change decisions. Until Project Managers feel comfortable about the amount of work being done they may discard more user suggestions than some users may like.

Volunteerism is all about free choice: if somebody is not happy about how some particular project is handled, he/she is more than welcome to choose another one.

Metod ...
ID: 13194 · Report as offensive
Nicolas

Send message
Joined: 19 Jan 07
Posts: 1179
Argentina
Message 13329 - Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 22:00:22 UTC - in response to Message 12706.  

Linux users: Run this bash script as a cronjob (say, every 10 minutes). It updates all projects with work ready to report.

Windows users: I could do a little .exe that does the same as the above script. But I won't because:

  • I still don't have my C compile environment set up on this machine, and it's too much of a mess to do it. Can't be bothered right now.
  • The interface of the GUI RPC library that comes with BOINC is ugly.
  • I'm busy with other BOINC-forum-related stuff. It's going too slow because of distractions. I don't need more.
  • Gives you another reason to get Linux.


Mac users: I think the script for Linux should work for you too, but I'm not sure if bash is the shell bundled with Macs, and I don't know if the script would work on other shells like csh. And I know Mac users aren't really used to having to use the console. YMMV.

ID: 13329 · Report as offensive
SekeRob

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 06
Posts: 1596
Message 13341 - Posted: 28 Oct 2007, 9:05:27 UTC - in response to Message 13329.  
Last modified: 28 Oct 2007, 9:07:16 UTC

Got now on all machines with varying versions of 5.10.22, 5.10.24 and 5.10.27 a connect time of 0.01 and an additional buffer of 2.00 days. The machines nicely backfills the queue with each completed / near completed job. It varies as the run times of jobs fluctuate and if a tasks takes longer than predicted even stops fetching for a while as the summed predicted run-times exceed the 2 day additional buffer. Sometimes RtRs are reported with each new work fetch, sometimes they build up. Last i looked 9 completed before it decided to send them up. It does seem to follow the 7 conditions described in the Unofficial BOINC Wiki and with that, if it helps the project's schedulers load reduction, see no reason to meddle with it.

Paramount to me is: If the clients are left on to crunch, they better get work to crunch and if the schedulers continue to supply without screaming for RtR's, things are Hunky Dory.

Coelum Non Animum Mutant, Qui Trans Mare Currunt
ID: 13341 · Report as offensive
Previous · 1 · 2

Message boards : BOINC client : 5.10.20 - uploading but not reporting

Copyright © 2021 University of California. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation.