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Message 11424 - Posted: 1 Jul 2007, 3:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 11423.  

Tried version 5.10.8, but still having this problem also. Has the alpha list provided any suggestions?


Nope. Sorry.

My only advice is to sign up for the list and post a message. There are many people who are more knowledgeable than I am (including the developers) who read and post to the list regularly. They'll be able to ask you more targeted (and probably better) questions to help figure it out.
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Message 11431 - Posted: 1 Jul 2007, 14:03:24 UTC - in response to Message 11424.  

might be a case of ownership... who runs/starts the service and who is using the comp. Though it's a service, think BOINCmgr can still connect. Try switching that on as maybe your service is not listening to the preferences you set.... it's that trial and error thing.

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Message 11708 - Posted: 19 Jul 2007, 4:36:52 UTC - in response to Message 11431.  

BUMP.

There are others, like me, out there who are having the same issue (Boinc Service not suspending when user active under Vista) and are lurking for resolution.

Work around of "Improved Windows Vista compatibility" by running all Boinc components as priviliged administrator makes me a bit nervous ... not for my PCs, but for other non-technical-folk's PCs who are remote from me and I've convinced to contribute CPU cycles when their PC is idle.

Public beta version appears to be 5.10.13 w/improved Vista compatibility.
But for remote machines, I really feel better staying away from Beta versions.
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Message 11709 - Posted: 19 Jul 2007, 6:12:07 UTC - in response to Message 11708.  

BUMP.

There are others, like me, out there who are having the same issue (Boinc Service not suspending when user active under Vista) and are lurking for resolution.

Work around of "Improved Windows Vista compatibility" by running all Boinc components as priviliged administrator makes me a bit nervous ... not for my PCs, but for other non-technical-folk's PCs who are remote from me and I've convinced to contribute CPU cycles when their PC is idle.

Public beta version appears to be 5.10.13 w/improved Vista compatibility.
But for remote machines, I really feel better staying away from Beta versions.


Please. Someone who is having this issue please post to the alpha list. I don't know what other questions to ask. The developers read that list. They'll be able to ask the questions and get any debugging information needed to figure this out.
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Message 11837 - Posted: 28 Jul 2007, 5:50:36 UTC - in response to Message 11709.  
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Please. Someone who is having this issue please post to the alpha list. I don't know what other questions to ask. The developers read that list. They'll be able to ask the questions and get any debugging information needed to figure this out.


I posted a message on the alpha list.
Suggested someone knowledgable there post in this thread.

It **appears** that this issue *may* be fixed in the just released version 5.10.13 for Windows (Version History). Or at least a temporary heavy-hammer solution implemented until a more graceful solution is done.
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Message 11974 - Posted: 8 Aug 2007, 14:31:40 UTC - in response to Message 11837.  

[I have done a clean install of 5.10.13 and the issue remains. I also tried having the service run with my credentials or as a system service and there was no change.
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Message 12393 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 9:17:37 UTC

I just installed the seti Crunch3er optimized apps (http://calbe.dw70.de/2.4V/2.4V_Windows_x64_SSSE3_GFX.zip) and it made the issue go away. I'm running seti, cpdn and lhc.
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Message 12394 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 9:21:29 UTC

Funny thing is as far as I can see I don't get the message telling me I'm using the optimized app. Perhaps the issue is not related to the app itself but some configuration relating to it is.

10/09/2007 10:42:08||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.18 for windows_x86_64
10/09/2007 10:42:08||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Libraries: libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Data directory: C:\Program Files\BOINC
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz [EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 pni
10/09/2007 10:42:08||OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: , (06.00.6000.00)
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Memory: 4.00 GB physical, 8.15 GB virtual
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Disk: 465.76 GB total, 202.87 GB free
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Local time is UTC +1 hours
10/09/2007 10:42:08|climateprediction.net|URL: http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID: 696070; location: home; project prefs: default
10/09/2007 10:42:08|lhcathome|URL: http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/; Computer ID: 9620054; location: home; project prefs: default
10/09/2007 10:42:08|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 3454899; location: home; project prefs: default
10/09/2007 10:42:08||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2007-08-14 03:39:14)
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Host location: home
10/09/2007 10:42:08||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Preferences limit memory usage when active to 2047.28MB
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3685.11MB
10/09/2007 10:42:08||Preferences limit disk usage to 93.13GB
10/09/2007 10:43:09|SETI@home|Restarting task 13fe07ac.7306.239531.3.5.157_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
10/09/2007 10:43:09|SETI@home|Restarting task 13fe07ac.7306.239531.3.5.85_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 527
10/09/2007 10:48:47||Suspending computation - user is active
10/09/2007 10:48:52||Resuming computation
10/09/2007 11:07:41||Suspending computation - user is active
10/09/2007 11:07:45||Resuming computation
10/09/2007 11:18:07||Suspending computation - user is active
10/09/2007 11:18:10||Resuming computation
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Message 12399 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 15:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 12393.  

I just installed the seti Crunch3er optimized apps (http://calbe.dw70.de/2.4V/2.4V_Windows_x64_SSSE3_GFX.zip) and it made the issue go away. I'm running seti, cpdn and lhc.


If you are only running the standard apps from cpdn and lhc (NO SETI) is the issue still there?

This previous post identifies "17/06/2007 14:05:13||Reading preferences override file" while the problem is still there. I notice in Tinface's listing that line is NOT there w/ location=home but no preferences set for home, so BOINC using DEFAULT preferences.

Tinface: Can you create local preferences override & see if issue reappears?





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Message 12401 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 16:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 12399.  

I just installed the seti Crunch3er optimized apps (http://calbe.dw70.de/2.4V/2.4V_Windows_x64_SSSE3_GFX.zip) and it made the issue go away. I'm running seti, cpdn and lhc.


If you are only running the standard apps from cpdn and lhc (NO SETI) is the issue still there?

This previous post identifies "17/06/2007 14:05:13||Reading preferences override file" while the problem is still there. I notice in Tinface's listing that line is NOT there w/ location=home but no preferences set for home, so BOINC using DEFAULT preferences.

Tinface: Can you create local preferences override & see if issue reappears?

After copying the custom apps to the seti project folder, the Boinc service was disabled somehow. This was the reason suspend on activity worked. Restarting the Boinc service causes the issue to reappear. My bad, sorry.
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Message 12789 - Posted: 28 Sep 2007, 20:08:23 UTC - in response to Message 12401.  

So, this seems like it is a SETI issue and not a BOINC issue?
Other projects tried so far suspend as they are supposed to???
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Message 12795 - Posted: 29 Sep 2007, 12:30:48 UTC - in response to Message 12789.  
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So, this seems like it is a SETI issue and not a BOINC issue?
Other projects tried so far suspend as they are supposed to???

No, it was a case of me messing up. I had disabled the service when switching to a custom seti app and forgot to restart it afterwards. As long as the service is not running, the manager can suspend on activity. The service cannot.
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Message 13296 - Posted: 26 Oct 2007, 11:50:49 UTC
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5.10.27 seems to have fixed this problem. I double checked that the service is actually running this time :)

Can anyone else confirm this? I'm not going to post on the trac ticket again till I'm sure the bug is actually gone for good.

Edit: I ran 5.10.20 until upgrading to .27. The fix might have been in any inbetween version.
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Message 13299 - Posted: 26 Oct 2007, 13:26:54 UTC - in response to Message 13296.  

5.10.27 seems to have fixed this problem. I double checked that the service is actually running this time :)

Can anyone else confirm this? I'm not going to post on the trac ticket again till I'm sure the bug is actually gone for good.

Edit: I ran 5.10.20 until upgrading to .27. The fix might have been in any inbetween version.


I believe it's been fixed.

There's now a small helper app called boinctray that monitors the system for user activity.

See this entry in the change log.
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Message 13300 - Posted: 26 Oct 2007, 14:18:46 UTC - in response to Message 13299.  

Very nice, thanks for the info.
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Message 13590 - Posted: 5 Nov 2007, 15:00:54 UTC

I Don't know a whole lot about what I am doing with BOINC, except that I am delighted that my four computers are doing something good, not just music and photos.

I am running projects on 2 core 2 duo very new machines, and two older PIII machines

Here is my question.

I have about seven projects on all of the machines. I am not worried about the two core 2 duo machines; but the 2 PIII machines: How do the tasks run? Does one task run until it is finished, or does it run for a time and share by switching off to another task? If this last would be the case, and because the machines do not run unless I am at home evenings and week ends(when I am home, they run flat out for 24 hrs), then I would worry about any given task not getting enough time to finish. This would be a total waste. I could cut down the number of projects easily if necessary,
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Message 13602 - Posted: 5 Nov 2007, 16:26:15 UTC - in response to Message 13590.  

I have about seven projects on all of the machines. I am not worried about the two core 2 duo machines; but the 2 PIII machines: How do the tasks run? Does one task run until it is finished, or does it run for a time and share by switching off to another task? If this last would be the case, and because the machines do not run unless I am at home evenings and week ends(when I am home, they run flat out for 24 hrs), then I would worry about any given task not getting enough time to finish. This would be a total waste. I could cut down the number of projects easily if necessary,

BOINC is prepared for such things. It will download work from a few projects, and probably it will get "full" pretty fast. It will get into a situation where getting more work would mean not being able to complete existing work in time, so it just stops fetching work.

When work is processed, the other projects accumulate "debt". This means how much BOINC "owes" to them. When some work gets completed and returned, and it can fetch work again, it will first ask work from the projects it owes more (= higher debt).

In a long term period, it will have crunched the correct amount to all projects (correct meaning it will follow your resource shares).

In most cases, you can attach as many projects as you want to, and just let it sort itself.
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