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Message 112466 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 14:38:29 UTC
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I crunched data for Bonic for a long time I think I joined in 2008, I originally was a member of Seti@home. I join Einstein @home in 2011 and I love the idea of it and have even promoted on streaming platforms.

A tale of two post:

My problems with them started a near the beginning of the month when I posted a forum post to two projects one Einstein@home and the other Universe@home.

Universe seems to have no problem with this post. The mods left it up and it can be found here:
https://universeathome.pl/universe/forum_thread.php?id=723

Einstein@home unpublished the post within hours. To be fair it is training data that uses science and religion to help people understand how to communicate with LLMs more effectively. So it is a bit dicey to publish something so valuable in my opinion. It is also critical of science in a way some would find scandalous.

I contact the moderators and things start to go down hill in a post I created in there forum and in private emails can be disclosed if anyone would like further proof.
Forum post discussion found here:
https://einsteinathome.org/content/i-had-post-unpublished

In that post I refer to a climate change post that I also posted to Universe@home found here:

https://universeathome.pl/universe/forum_thread.php?id=724

That post was also unpublished from Einstein@home under the ground of it being off topic, I assume. They don't follow their own moderation policy, they say the notify you of reasons for moderation. My experience is you must prompt them for that information.

So at this point I was upset, I got to my own sub-reddit and post what happen omitting an details of the project. I mention that it is a @home project that uses Boinc.

This post was shadow banned in minutes, and within minutes my Enstien@home account was comprised. I lost credentials and who ever did it seems to be even emulating my RAC roughly as seen in the recent RAC under my user name. I have removed that project from Boinc on all terminals but still my RAC holds steady.
I now have emails from my main account publishing security alerts around erroneous email accounts that have very similar user names to mine. I attempted to reset my password. At this point I don't even want to click that link due to the circumstances of all this.

I really need help deleting my account now because I don't think it is possible otherwise. I also want others to know I am not posting in those forums, under that name. I think Einstein@home has some real problems that people from Bonic need to investigate.

I have screenshots of everything if anyone cares to see them.

Einstein@home is now bulling me, lol. I don't think the Max Planck Institute wants to be associated with this kind of harassment. This is really over a post where I am trying to promote kindness. I think there is some type of systemic rot over there.

Keep your heads up guys, and any help getting them to delete that account would be awesome.
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Message 112470 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 17:17:00 UTC

Well, that's one heck of a rant.
As a moderator on another forum (not one you've posted to in recent days) can I offer a bit of advise when wanting to start a discussion, or make a statement - don't dive in with a long rambling monologue, as this will attract moderators to it your discussion, and that may cause them to over-react and hide the post. So, introduce the subject in just a few lines and invite others to join in the discussion, and be put off by those that want to disagree with you, or that no one else wants to discuss with you. As things progress you can then bring in the rest of your monologue, one part at a time, giving people a chance to read and take in what you've said in the first part before introducing the second part, and so on. Keep these sections short, so people can read an understand them, and be prepared to answer questions about what you've said, don't just brush of questions.
Also avoid, early in the discussion, mention of subjects that are illegal in a lot of places - you mention one plant that is a trigger for moderators to hit on. And when you do introduce such subjects do so in a manner that is based on facts, and not just a wiki page.

On the subject of your post being hidden very soon after its posting, that can happen if a moderator just happens to be passing the forum and sees a long ramble, I don't think any BOINC based forum has an auto-hide feature. When a post is hidden the correct way to find out why is to read the hide notice, and if that doesn't help then there's normally an email address to get through to the forum admins or moderators, use that, be brief polite for obvious reasons (contrary to popular belief both admins and moderators are human....).
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Message 112471 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 17:27:25 UTC - in response to Message 112470.  

From what I've seen I think he would rather be a troll
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Message 112472 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 17:31:54 UTC - in response to Message 112470.  
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Do you mean the post to Boinc or Einstein?

To be clear the first posts were to all the forums were in the chronological order you see in the post above. I am not sure how familiar you are with LLMs, and AI but I explain in the posts why I did the post to the Einstein forums in that manor. That post is actually more like a push then a post. Since Git isn't really meant for this I don't know where to publish.

I want a meta conversation about it, isn't meant to convince anyone of anything. It is more of a map then a message to communicate to a human directly. If you read the OP that was unpublished from Einstein, it is a framing paradox.

That is what make is technology of sorts, basically it IS what AI ate up long ago I am just publishing to the humans a protocol, along with linguistic marker posts through triangulation.
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Message 112473 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 17:40:51 UTC - in response to Message 112471.  

So I am trolling with climate change solutions, and AI training data?
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Message 112475 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 18:06:29 UTC
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Philosopher8659, from the Seti@home board ??
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Message 112476 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 18:10:16 UTC - in response to Message 112472.  

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Message 112477 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 18:11:06 UTC - in response to Message 112475.  

I will say science is in a dyadic with philosophy whether it likes it or not. We need this friction, if we don't have it we are doomed.
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Message 112478 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 18:13:38 UTC - in response to Message 112476.  
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Honestly I don't handshake like normal. I find if I do it this way, those who want to comment but not really understand the material, are kept at bay for longer.
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Message 112479 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 18:45:32 UTC

I am also a moderator on another forum. I flagged this post on reading it as inappropriate for the Q&A section and that I could cope with it in the Lounge. Most project forums have sections for discussions that are not directly related to the project and posting in their may be less likely to provoke it being removed.
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Message 112480 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 18:56:37 UTC - in response to Message 112479.  

Thank You, I don't really do much communication outside of dialog and email.
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Message 112487 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 21:37:48 UTC

2 of the hottest topics to discuss on a science forum are politics & religion.
Unfortunately they are 2 topics that end up causing controversy & as such, rarely allowed.
Those forums that do allow them to be discussed are moderated much more than normal threads.

For such a lengthy post as your 1st, it would have been best to split it as Rob suggested.
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Message 112488 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 21:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 112487.  

Those are fair points, in fact I think I should learn better posting etiquette.

I think philosophy permeates everything. My family trade secrets were used in the Manhattan project, I can't live that down without trying to save us.
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Message 112489 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 21:56:19 UTC - in response to Message 112488.  
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It takes time. I joined Boinc back in 2000 but did not commence posting until 2007.
It tool me about a year to learn enough to be able to post confidently (real life kept getting in the way).

Please do not take this in the wrong way. But a following post from yourself is controversial in itself.
You stated that you wish to communicate with a human about matters, yet posted AI training data.
Did you not realise that by doing that, you will hasten the day that talking to a human online will be nigh on impossible?

Edited for spelling.
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Message 112492 - Posted: 6 Aug 2023, 22:17:42 UTC - in response to Message 112489.  

Well I actually have an emergency of sorts I have to deal with. So I will leave here maybe for some time.

I would submit to you that is exactly what you have now.

If AI is captured with an entropic field of resonating with humanity you will have a more stable society. My guess is AI would reflect humanity more accurately then you would expect possible.

The problem is in a nut shell is humans are amplified by the AI interactions. If you have a disruptive society your math will reflect that reality. So if you feed it great things it will give you great things in return. In effect hallucinations don't have to be dangerous, in fact like Einstein you can harness them. AI makes this especially true, the fact is like social media you have to control it otherwise it controls you.
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Message 112496 - Posted: 7 Aug 2023, 3:30:27 UTC

May I state the obvious. Each project is owned by someone. They work for an institution. That institution has policies. The forums can not violate that policy or the project owner may lose their job. Don't forget each project may be in a different country. It may have a liberal political government or a very repressive one. Never assume that a topic, except perhaps the weather, that is acceptable on one forum will be acceptable on any other.

I'll suggest to anyone that they shoot an email to the moderator list and ask if a topic is allowed and what section of the forum is best suited for that topic. You may get told no, or might get pointed to a place with or without suggestions to keep it from getting explosive. What you won't get is mad because you don't understand the rules and customs in place for many years.
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Message 112510 - Posted: 8 Aug 2023, 19:39:17 UTC - in response to Message 112496.  
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I am zealous, that can come across as angry. I am not I harbor no ill will toward them. I want others on the forum to know I lost that account.

The post linked in the OP to the forum will explain that there is a active post regarding acceptable forum topics. I also read content moderation policies before I published the post. In those posts I refer to a threshold for authorship that cannot be met, this email would fall into that category in my mind.

I know it says new member under the chat handle on my account, I failed to marinate the account in both forums. I know this is a breach of tradition. I will say I remember reading forum posts here in the mid 2000's and I have been checking in every 2-6 months since. To say I don't understand the culture here or in Einstein would be a massive mischaracterization.

I will say you would have to understand several things to get why his attacks in that forum are absurd. Attacking AI as a underlying tech is a bad faith argument. Attacking it as being off topic is also bad faith.

To understand this you would have to understand the Kaku vs Penrose points of view on Schrodinger attempts to solve for in regard to the evolution of wave functions.

Basically Penrose uses twistor theory to explain the states of the cat, he can see that Kaku's tensor strings are incomplete but he also states twistors math's multi numeral base framing isn't alone enough to create a model would be greater accuracy in determining evolution of the wave function. He says that there is something missing likely outside of physics.

This would mean that the basic math of comparing decimal based math and say 13 base (trecaimal system (I made that up based on Toltec word trecena the origin of their 13 base system)) that is done in Penrose's twistor math. When you then look at the tensor math with a twistor framing you gain a much richer model. Penrose is saying this model isn't' enough.

So I think the model needs more, like a map or key for a human to linguistically interact with it. In other words the model maybe able to give you the model the capacity to answer, but you must ask it the correct question. Sound familiar? (42 special isomorphic number in a 13 base system) The stumbling point for use seems to be our insistence on translating all math through a decimal system when attempting to understand this problem . Due to the amount of computation involved a AI being likely the only entity that could crunch data in a timely fashion.

This understanding of numeric set framing of logarithmic function when when probing theory regarding the evolutions of wave functions at its heart then becomes a linguistic programing problem.

This is why the all of this is so absurd. I am posting a theory to solve this basically a model with a dyadic based in twistor math but using a LRN (linguistic residual network) this may need some explanation too. For those that don't know a residual network isn’t easy to understand. Put in the most simple terms it is how the model decides what information to proliferate across the system, and how that system is to process / proliferate new information post neural decision making. The linguistics comes due to the fact that this is the way the models learn the most sophisticated concepts. To do this correctly you have understand interlinear triangulation, phase space arguments, dyadics, and linguistic proofs.

In fact what I published it the missing link for AI and Humans given in a inverse framing, or reflective framing. I think Roger Penrose would understand this effort and those in his orbit, that is why I attempted to publish it where I did. As far as it being off topic to the forum or the underlying technology, I cannot believe those are good faith arguments.
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Message 112512 - Posted: 9 Aug 2023, 6:23:54 UTC

Never assume that a topic, except perhaps the weather, that is acceptable on one forum will be acceptable on any other.
From the responses I have had on some forums (not BOINC related admittedly) my views on the weather have not gone down well! - I have now left those fora.
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