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Message 94197 - Posted: 11 Dec 2019, 18:53:51 UTC

I have two Android phones, one is Android 7, one is Android 6. The Android 7 phone joined 10 projects, and runs them all fine. The Android 6 phone had trouble finding any projects at all, and eventually I got 6 attached from the master list within the standard Boinc client (same version on both phones - 7.4.53). The other 4 (Universe, World Community Grid, Enigma, and Einstein) do not appear in the list to join, and if I try to join by URL, nothing happens. No failure notice, nothing, it just doesn't add the project. Any ideas?
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Message 94476 - Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 6:01:02 UTC - in response to Message 94197.  

I have two Android phones, one is Android 7, one is Android 6. The Android 7 phone joined 10 projects, and runs them all fine. The Android 6 phone had trouble finding any projects at all, and eventually I got 6 attached from the master list within the standard Boinc client (same version on both phones - 7.4.53). The other 4 (Universe, World Community Grid, Enigma, and Einstein) do not appear in the list to join, and if I try to join by URL, nothing happens. No failure notice, nothing, it just doesn't add the project. Any ideas?


I have currently 3 cellphones crunching. 2 of them get tasks non-stop. The last one, running Android 4.4.4, didn't.
It appeared that all I needed to do, was log out of my network, and log in again.
It then loaded projects from Einstein.

I did get a notice from World Community Grid, having their servers offline, however, I never get any projects from them on my cell anyway.
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Message 94485 - Posted: 23 Dec 2019, 23:06:48 UTC

Enigma has not had ANY tasks for any platform for months now.
World Community Grid (WCG) has not had any Android tasks for about 1 month now and in past week sent Android users an email indicating that it will be an undetermined amount of time before any work for the platform will be available.
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Message 94554 - Posted: 25 Dec 2019, 10:51:25 UTC - in response to Message 94485.  

Enigma also doesn't allow new users to register.
They should update their servers to a 'down' status.
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Message 94591 - Posted: 29 Dec 2019, 19:57:56 UTC - in response to Message 94476.  

I have two Android phones, one is Android 7, one is Android 6. The Android 7 phone joined 10 projects, and runs them all fine. The Android 6 phone had trouble finding any projects at all, and eventually I got 6 attached from the master list within the standard Boinc client (same version on both phones - 7.4.53). The other 4 (Universe, World Community Grid, Enigma, and Einstein) do not appear in the list to join, and if I try to join by URL, nothing happens. No failure notice, nothing, it just doesn't add the project. Any ideas?


I have currently 3 cellphones crunching. 2 of them get tasks non-stop. The last one, running Android 4.4.4, didn't.
It appeared that all I needed to do, was log out of my network, and log in again.
It then loaded projects from Einstein.

I did get a notice from World Community Grid, having their servers offline, however, I never get any projects from them on my cell anyway.


My Android 6 phone appears to be a fake (from a Chinese Ebay seller). It's Android 4.4.2 according to the CPU-Z utility, and the Universe@home server, and the Google Play Store. It's incorrectly reporting itself as 6.0 in the system app. Oh well I got 50% off the price when I informed the seller it was not doing things properly. It also refuses to use the internet over 4G, but it's fine on Wifi, so I demoted it to a Boinc cruncher and don't use it as a phone anymore.
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Message 94607 - Posted: 31 Dec 2019, 3:15:25 UTC

I have no issues running Boinc on Android 4.4.4, 4.4.1, 6.0.1, 7.1, 9.0 and 9.1.
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Message 94618 - Posted: 31 Dec 2019, 16:52:28 UTC - in response to Message 94607.  

I have no issues running Boinc on Android 4.4.4, 4.4.1, 6.0.1, 7.1, 9.0 and 9.1.


It worked eventually. But initially the project list (on the 4.x phone) was empty. I was asked to select a project and given a blank screen. I guess it takes 20 minutes to find the list.

And there really is something dodgy about this phone. Do you find you get full or half page ads in front of any app you're running on Android 4.x? The Android 6.0 phone doesn't do this, I see zero ads. I even reformatted the older phone and the ads went away, but install a few little harmless apps (which google play claims they check!) and again, ads every 2 minutes. And more irritatingly, 25% of the CPU taken up by who knows what, leaving less for Boinc to use. No virus or malware scanners found anything. And I can't find the simplest of things for it like I have on a desktop - a task manager that shows CPU usage per app, so I can tell what's eating the power.
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Message 94627 - Posted: 31 Dec 2019, 23:28:19 UTC - in response to Message 94618.  

I have no issues running Boinc on Android 4.4.4, 4.4.1, 6.0.1, 7.1, 9.0 and 9.1.


It worked eventually. But initially the project list (on the 4.x phone) was empty. I was asked to select a project and given a blank screen. I guess it takes 20 minutes to find the list.

And there really is something dodgy about this phone. Do you find you get full or half page ads in front of any app you're running on Android 4.x? The Android 6.0 phone doesn't do this, I see zero ads. I even reformatted the older phone and the ads went away, but install a few little harmless apps (which google play claims they check!) and again, ads every 2 minutes. And more irritatingly, 25% of the CPU taken up by who knows what, leaving less for Boinc to use. No virus or malware scanners found anything. And I can't find the simplest of things for it like I have on a desktop - a task manager that shows CPU usage per app, so I can tell what's eating the power.

In my case, I uninstall all software, because most Android 4 phones have only 500MB of RAM, thus are very spare on resources.
Especially browsers.
I take the background picture away, and replace it with plain black (or a 1pix or 4x4 pix image of any color I prefer, and stretch the image over the screen, just to save a few bytes of memory).
CPUZ does show ads on Android 4, but Android 9 I don't see as many.

I also disable notifications for all programs (a tedious process).
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Message 94629 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 0:02:51 UTC - in response to Message 94627.  


In my case, I uninstall all software, because most Android 4 phones have only 500MB of RAM, thus are very spare on resources.
Especially browsers.
I take the background picture away, and replace it with plain black (or a 1pix or 4x4 pix image of any color I prefer, and stretch the image over the screen, just to save a few bytes of memory).
CPUZ does show ads on Android 4, but Android 9 I don't see as many.

I also disable notifications for all programs (a tedious process).


Yeah I've removed a lot of software, but the ads stay there. A reformat makes them go away. Phones ain't like PCs, you can't find what's running so easily. And 99.9% of apps are advert based. Apparently this is legitimate. Newer Android versions seem to thwart most of the ads somehow.

Boinc seems to manage to run at a decent speed though, so it's doing something useful. I'll reformat again shortly as the ads came back with something. Now I'm done playing with it and exploring it, it'll be reformatted and only Boinc will go on it.
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Message 94631 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 0:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 94629.  

Under Android 9 you can set which apps are allowed to use Wifi or Data. Of course default everything is on. A lot of apps on my phone I disallowed having WiFi or Data access for, which killed their ads. Doesn't work on all apps, some use a different technique. For older Android versions you can use firewall apps, such as Netguard - which has the added upside that it doesn't need root either.
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Message 94632 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 0:33:51 UTC - in response to Message 94631.  

Under Android 9 you can set which apps are allowed to use Wifi or Data. Of course default everything is on. A lot of apps on my phone I disallowed having WiFi or Data access for, which killed their ads. Doesn't work on all apps, some use a different technique. For older Android versions you can use firewall apps, such as Netguard - which has the added upside that it doesn't need root either.


For some reason I don't see a single ad on my Android 6.0 phone, which I use for all sorts and is full of apps. And I've never installed a blocker. My Android 4.something phone has only a few apps on it (it's just a Boinc calculator now) yet I see an ad every time I try to look at Boinc. I've tried ad blockers but guess what, they just put in their own ads in place of them! I'm pretty sure in 20 years time, 99% of people will work in advertising, then the shit will hit the fan and they'll realise there's nobody left to sell to.
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Message 94633 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 0:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 94632.  

That's why I said, use a firewall app. For instance, Netguard is ad-free and doesn't require you to root your phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard&hl=en, although it may require Android 5.1 and later. Ad-blockers usually only work on browsers, not as stand-alone apps.
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Message 94634 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 1:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 94633.  

That's why I said, use a firewall app. For instance, Netguard is ad-free and doesn't require you to root your phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard&hl=en, although it may require Android 5.1 and later. Ad-blockers usually only work on browsers, not as stand-alone apps.


"This app is not compatible with your device" - know of anything similar for Android 4.x?

I don't need it for the 6.0 phone, that doesn't show ads.
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Message 94637 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 7:42:58 UTC

I wonder if your router can block ad related websites?
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Message 94643 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 12:17:00 UTC - in response to Message 94635.  
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts.firewall&hl=en
Requires Android 4.0 and up
Else check through https://techviral.net/firewall-apps-for-android/


Thanks! Greyshirts works great I think. It seems to block everything (including boinc), then as I use things I actually want to access the net, I can give them permission. So hopefully any ads will never get through.

So how come Android is up to version 10, yet most phones are way lower? Windows is also up to 10, but you don't get people still buying brand new PCs with Windows 98 on it.
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Message 94644 - Posted: 1 Jan 2020, 12:17:23 UTC - in response to Message 94637.  

I wonder if your router can block ad related websites?


Possible, but there's an awful lot of them.
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Message 96506 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 16:45:03 UTC

Sidenote: Android 10 is now supported by Universe@home.
Hope that more projects will follow.
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Message 96513 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 18:49:35 UTC - in response to Message 96506.  

Sidenote: Android 10 is now supported by Universe@home.
Hope that more projects will follow.


I've never seen a 10, they actually exist? Unlike Windows 10, where almost every computer has it, I find brand new phones running 6 or 7, not sure why Android OS is like this - does new Android not like phones that aren't super powerfull or something? I have a 4 and a 7, both purchased in the last 4 months, both run Universe, Asteroids, LHC (only sixtrack which is very rare to get hold of WUs for), and Yoyo. I can't seem to get any other project to give them tasks.
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Message 96543 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 3:45:31 UTC - in response to Message 96513.  

Sidenote: Android 10 is now supported by Universe@home.
Hope that more projects will follow.


I've never seen a 10, they actually exist? Unlike Windows 10, where almost every computer has it, I find brand new phones running 6 or 7, not sure why Android OS is like this - does new Android not like phones that aren't super powerfull or something? I have a 4 and a 7, both purchased in the last 4 months, both run Universe, Asteroids, LHC (only sixtrack which is very rare to get hold of WUs for), and Yoyo. I can't seem to get any other project to give them tasks.

Android 10 came out around November to January, for Google Pixel phones only. In February, my Essential phone had received the update, and newer Samsung phones had the update in March/April.

You're not missing much.
Android 8 and 9 never really was a thing. Most phones with these operating systems, got the free Android 10 upgrade, which I'm hoping is an LTS release.
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