When Masons achieve the 33rd degree, the highest that they can go

Really only 33 ?? I've heard / read there's a few more than that ( 360 degrees ( as in a circle ) allegedly ) and NOT from your fave site either Chris before you even start on that ;-) ;-)
Some versions they have to spit and denounce something ( won't say what ) and other versions they have to denounce and urinate on the same something I dunno if it's true or not but it's " out there " for people to read , don't take much Googling so won't give any links in case if offends some people

If only 1/2 of it is true it will shake up the world. Wanna hear the latest? When Masons achieve the 33rd degree, the highest that they can go, they are apparently told that beings from Sirius are in touch telepathically with earth!!!

Research that one :-)))

Chris, remember how you were given a point in initiation?* Are you sure you should be spilling secrets?

*Look that one up.

Chris, remember how you were given a point in initiation?* Are you sure you should be spilling secrets?

What could you mean Gary ?? anything to do with a no 1 ?? I'm not a mason but think I know what you mean ;-)

Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, Master Mason, Master of the Lodge

Wonder what a HNC in Engineering ( proper ) is and coding for /Arc , MIG and TIG is then ;-) ;-) ;-) + 27 years of experience ??

I must admit, anything that lists as its number one criteria "be a man" is a teensy bit doomed to glimpsing what I keep up my nose unfortunately. Unless...

Are there some very good reasons why it's unavoidably essential?

;)

None of it is anything to do with being "a man" ...

So why did it turn out that so many turned out to be male-only, or female opt-outs because they'd been excluded?

Is that because men can't be trusted to behave themselves when there are females in the same club? See recent events...

Remember that I went through the 'all male' educational route from the age of 8 to 20 - my first encounter with the female of the species as an equal (at about a 10% ratio) was during my third year at university. Prior to that, the only females I had encountered (apart from my mother, from whom I was separated for maybe 75% of that time period) were in service roles - cooks and health providers.

Those schools got me through the exams, but I don't think they gave me a good 'education for life', in any real sense of the word. I have a great fear that the 'elites' of various societies - not just in this country - may have gone through similarly skewed educations, and may inflict the same on their own sons, because it's the only system they know. And I also fear that the 'all male club' - service, social, or sporting - may largely provide a refuge for these men from a world they don't understand. If they channel their energies into service rather than sexual impropriety, that's certainly a positive outcome, but I don't think it excuses the entire system.

Masonry - You have to believe in an ultimate being.

Y-e-e-e-s... so I heard. Just one though if I'm correct.

Men is one...*do maths* ... yes, that is one ... see...


...in the singular "I'm supreme sense". How that leaves room for another I don't know ;) (there should have been another equal sign in my workings - I can't think where I've left it now... but never mind...)

None of it is anything to do with being "a man"

That is my point! :)

I'm not convinced it's theirs.

so an elevated proboscis is not required.

Oh reaARRLLY ...? *flare nostrils 'til exits are blocked* :)

Lost count of the tins I have rattled on street corners over the years, for charity.

Perhaps someone keeping a tally on them for you would have been helpful...? So you only had to worry about rattling ...? But thank you for the brief snapshot.

*aim proboscis @*

If you don't understand the basic concept of the "all male service club", then there is no point in trying to explain it to you.

Oh.

Doesn't mansplaining work on each other then...? ;)

it doesn't work very well on me often - I think some blinks close my ears as well as my eyes although I've never had that properly investigated.

Ah Masonic lodges. More skullduggery occur in them than any other organisation.

One of the more "infamous" lodges is Propaganda Due(P2) & its so called involvement with "God's Banker" Roberto Calvi. Oh & not forgetting their "so called" involvement with the death of Pope John Paul I.

Any woman knows damn well if their man is playing away from home, whether they are a member of a men's club or not.

My remarks were aimed at those sections of society where the men have claimed the positions and roles of power for themselves, and the women - especially in professions where physical appearance is significant - have to fight their way past groping hands and worse to reach any semblance of equality. Think Hollywood, business, politics, many sporting hierarchies - the list goes on.

One of the more "infamous" lodges is Propaganda Due(P2) & its so called involvement with "God's Banker" Roberto Calvi. Oh & not forgetting their "so called" involvement with the death of Pope John Paul I.

You've got your societies mixed up there Sirius , Calvi was " allegedly " killed by the illuminati under BlackFriers bridge in London back in the 80's .
The Masons ARE NOT the illuminati Even if Dan Brown tries to tie them together in " The Lost Symbol " good read but factuly crap
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Here Chris your secret's out mate you're a leading member of the Hellfire club in't you ;-) ( yea I know who they are but do you without wiki ??? )

Not quite.

On 27th September 1978, Pope John Paul I announced that he was removing Archbishop Marcinkus & other members of P2 from the Vatican Bank. Within 24 hours, he was dead.

P2 was/is a masonic lodge with serious interactions with the finances of the Vatican.

A Freemasonary requiremeent is the belief of an ultimate being? Yep, just another religious cult for "so called" elites.

As for Calvi, I did not state that P2 had him killed, just stated that they were involved with his machinations at the Banco Ambrosiano.

I don't see much difference between the Illuminati & the Dominican Order (Black Friars).

Corrected for spelling.

I don't see much difference between the Illuminati & the Dominican Order (Black Friars).

Interesting link with the bridge he was found swing from there , or maybe just a coincidence ? I dunno ;-)
1978 I was either 4 or 5 depending on what month , I'm just going off stuff I've got in my braincell ain't looked it up on the net but know where to look and it ain't wiki or A.T.S before anyone ( Chris ) says so hehe ;-) ;-)

I don't see much difference between the Illuminati & the Dominican Order (Black Friars).

Interesting link with the bridge he was found swing from there , or maybe just a coincidence ? I dunno ;-)

That it is. However, with over 20 bridges in London to choose from, why that one?

That it is. However, with over 20 bridges in London to choose from, why that one?

Wouldn't have a clue why that bridge was used , maybe it was the best one coz of the scaffolding erected for the workers on the bridge ?? Or maybe it was the closest one or maybe it was just PURE coincidence I really dunno what you might be meaning or reading into the name of the bridge at all ;-);-);-);-);-)

Aw :-( Thought the thread title would clue you in to that :-)

Not far from the bridge is this

Aw :-( Thought the thread title would clue you in to that :-)

It's called sarcasam hehe ;-);-)
Didn't realise that place was close by to there but don't know London that well and don't like the " hole " either think that place appears in one of DB's books to ;-)

LOL.

Dominican Order
Illuminati
Knights Hospitaller
Knights Templar
Opus Dei

All have a common denominator...

I actually don't know. But it would seem somewhat incongruous for anyone to believe in more than one wouldn't it. Someone who believed in the Christian god and also believed in Allah would be pretty much confused I would have thought.

Unless you think as some do that every god of all religions is actually the same one, just called by a different name?

Exodus 20:3-5 KJV doesn't exclude other Gods. (or Exodus 20:2 in the Hebrew Bible)
Which is part of the bible that tells the story of Abraham (AKA Ibrahim) founder of the Jews and the God they worship.

Jesus was a Jew, therefore the God of the Christians is the same one worshipped by the Jews.

Jesus and Abraham are regarded as a prophets by Islam, "Salam (peace) be upon Ibrahim!" God says in the Quran (37:109) and therefore they also worship the same God.

I actually don't know. But it would seem somewhat incongruous for anyone to believe in more than one wouldn't it. Someone who believed in the Christian god and also believed in Allah would be pretty much confused I would have thought.

Unless you think as some do that every god of all religions is actually the same one, just called by a different name?

Exodus 20:3-5 KJV doesn't exclude other Gods. (or Exodus 20:2 in the Hebrew Bible)
Which is part of the bible that tells the story of Abraham (AKA Ibrahim) founder of the Jews and the God they worship.

Jesus was a Jew, therefore the God of the Christians is the same one worshipped by the Jews.

Jesus and Abraham are regarded as a prophets by Islam, "Salam (peace) be upon Ibrahim!" God says in the Quran (37:109) and therefore they also worship the same God.

I always get screamed at when I point out they all are identical.