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Message 54825 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 5:01:27 UTC

Starting new thread. The old topic has been locked due to inactivity.

It has been almost a year since the QMC@home/cleanmobility.now project was restarted with a new url, web site and testing began of new programs...

There still is:
    1) NO FORUM on the web site.
    2) NO EXPORT OF STATS.
    3) NO PUBLIC communication from the project Scientist / Administrators.


Does anyone have any information when any or all of these issues will be fixed?

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Message 55141 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 2:17:09 UTC - in response to Message 54825.  

I have had many times during the past year when I've sure wished there was a forum for that project to try to get answers about issues I've had with tasks and its been very frustrating that there was no way to contact the project itself about issues.

I would think that any project running on BOINC would be required to have a forum for its volunteers to contact the project about problems and issues, and to MAN IT and answer issues (some don't, frustratingly) in order to run projects on the system but I'm just a volunteer and don't make the rules.

Anyway, I've aborted some jobs on this project because I couldn't get answers even after several hundred hours of work were put in. I'm very close to setting the status at no more work because of this issue.
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Message 55142 - Posted: 30 Jul 2014, 2:22:25 UTC

I dropped the project long ago, but will consider going back when I see some progress on the basic website features, and communication from the project founder.
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Message 55314 - Posted: 10 Aug 2014, 16:39:08 UTC

End of march this year I wrote an e-mail to Martin Korth, named on the page, and got a few days later an answer.

I asked him why QMC@Home is so spare with informations and not listed in the official Project list. He wrote then, that they still have a few little problems but were looking forward to come complete and official back in the next few weeks....

Well, that was now 4 month ago.
I do not know, when they'll really come back.
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Message 55344 - Posted: 12 Aug 2014, 10:37:18 UTC - in response to Message 55314.  

I wrote to Martin Korth in July.
Got the same kind of answer concerning minor issues to be solved and expected release of the project officially this summer...
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Message 55432 - Posted: 16 Aug 2014, 19:40:18 UTC

That's good news, we don't have to wait long now because Summer ends Sept. 22.




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Message 55550 - Posted: 24 Aug 2014, 11:10:02 UTC - in response to Message 55432.  
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That's good news, we don't have to wait long now because Summer ends Sept. 22.

Yes, but WHICH YEAR?

From a message dated 28 Jul 2013:

A few days ago I sent Martin Korth (Project Scientist / Administrator) an email with several observations and questions about the web site and project/tasks:

1) There is no forums at the web site as of yet. How soon will the forums return so we can post questions, problems, etc we have encountered with the software?

and received the following reply:

1) The forum will be going online with the offical project release in September.

I want to check why I had 102,542 credits on 3rd May, and have the same amount now, despite crunching packets for them during that time.
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Message 55587 - Posted: 26 Aug 2014, 5:43:13 UTC - in response to Message 55550.  
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Apparently the new version of the project isn't running the server code to export credits yet. Boincsynergy (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/) says the last time they updated credits was 627 days ago.


EDIT: FYI, while the stats sites say I have 1,134,443 credits, my BOINC manager on a machine that is attached to QMC says I have 1,141,172 credits so I am getting credits for the work units that I've run but the server isn't creating the file that the stats sites read to get the current credits.
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Message 56019 - Posted: 13 Sep 2014, 12:39:17 UTC

9 days before summer ends this year and fresh restart of QMC !...
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Message 56453 - Posted: 6 Oct 2014, 16:31:07 UTC - in response to Message 55550.  
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That's good news, we don't have to wait long now because Summer ends Sept. 22.

Yes, but WHICH YEAR?

From a message dated 28 Jul 2013:

A few days ago I sent Martin Korth (Project Scientist / Administrator) an email with several observations and questions about the web site and project/tasks:

1) There is no forums at the web site as of yet. How soon will the forums return so we can post questions, problems, etc we have encountered with the software?

and received the following reply:

1) The forum will be going online with the offical project release in September.

I want to check why I had 102,542 credits on 3rd May, and have the same amount now, despite crunching packets for them during that time.


September is gone. There is no message board...but maybe in september 2015.
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Message 58427 - Posted: 4 Dec 2014, 16:52:22 UTC

Any news? Do i need wait to 2015?
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Message 58753 - Posted: 19 Dec 2014, 16:40:55 UTC - in response to Message 58427.  

Any news? Do i need wait to 2015?


2015 will be a great year with the return of Correlizer, QMC@Home, CAS@Home, IGEM@Home, NRG@Home, etc, etc, etc,

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Message 59313 - Posted: 5 Jan 2015, 20:29:12 UTC - in response to Message 58753.  

Cleanmobility has a lot of work
But no forums and no message from admins
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Message 59395 - Posted: 7 Jan 2015, 17:36:48 UTC - in response to Message 59313.  

Cleanmobility has a lot of work
But no forums and no message from admins


I wait forums before i join.
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Message 59893 - Posted: 21 Jan 2015, 14:49:11 UTC
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I had an email correspondence with Martin 6 months ago about a number of problems with the cleanmobility application:

  • checkpointing (failure to maintain the geometry optimization count, resulting in the additional calculations for the first cycle being repeated every time a task is restarted).
  • progress (jumps to 100% when it is starts its "FINAL ENERGY EVALUATION AT THE STATIONARY POINT" calculations). The task I monitored was at 100% for 180 hours (only 44.5 of them were necessary, the excess being due to a first cycle repeat following an enforced computer restart).
  • deadline (14 day limit for tasks which can run high priority for well over 5 weeks on a C2Q Q6600).
  • workunit settings (initial quorum=1, replication=2). Combining that with the deadline problems means that lots of tasks can end up being needlessly reissued, with only the first reported one being credited and the results from the others being thrown away. I reported one task after it had run high priority for 40 days only for it to be flagged as invalid because someone else had a successful completion 2 days earlier. I aborted another task after 45 days because the WU had been purged (doing valid science for other projects was more important than completing something which was going to end up in the bit bucket).


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Message 59911 - Posted: 22 Jan 2015, 13:25:36 UTC - in response to Message 59893.  

I had an email correspondence with Martin 6 months ago about a number of problems with the cleanmobility application:

  • checkpointing (failure to maintain the geometry optimization count, resulting in the additional calculations for the first cycle being repeated every time a task is restarted).
  • progress (jumps to 100% when it is starts its "FINAL ENERGY EVALUATION AT THE STATIONARY POINT" calculations). The task I monitored was at 100% for 180 hours (only 44.5 of them were necessary, the excess being due to a first cycle repeat following an enforced computer restart).
  • deadline (14 day limit for tasks which can run high priority for well over 5 weeks on a C2Q Q6600).
  • workunit settings (initial quorum=1, replication=2). Combining that with the deadline problems means that lots of tasks can end up being needlessly reissued, with only the first reported one being credited and the results from the others being thrown away. I reported one task after it had run high priority for 40 days only for it to be flagged as invalid because someone else had a successful completion 2 days earlier. I aborted another task after 45 days because the WU had been purged (doing valid science for other projects was more important than completing something which was going to end up in the bit bucket).



It was 6 months ago. What is status now?
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Message 60034 - Posted: 28 Jan 2015, 23:50:55 UTC - in response to Message 59911.  

It was 6 months ago. What is status now?


I had the same type of problems at the beginning of this month. I finally aborted the WU after about 340 thousand seconds. I selected to not run the cleanmobility application and have since run a QMC@HOME-orca-alphabeta and it finished in less than 2 hours and got credit.

One thing they might want to do is only distribute the cleanmobility work units to windows for a week or two starting a couple of days after patch tuesday since the monthly patches always seem to require a rebooot.

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Message 61615 - Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 13:59:35 UTC

Still waiting. But...maybe in 2016.
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Message 62929 - Posted: 6 Jul 2015, 11:33:31 UTC

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Message 63458 - Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 17:41:53 UTC
Last modified: 10 Aug 2015, 17:45:31 UTC

I just attached to the project (http://qmcathome.org). The first work unit (QMC@HOME 6.06 cleanmobility.now korth002001_54004374_0) will take about 3 days 16 hours on an i7-3770 (Win7 64-bit), with 5 more CPU cores on other BOINC projects and 2 cores supporting GPUs. I haven't seen a checkpoint in the first hour, but this machine runs 24/7 so I don't really need them much.

The work looks to be interesting, even if they are poor at feedback on their site:
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlepdf/2014/cp/c4cp04338c
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