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ephman

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Message 2172 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 19:27:02 UTC

hello,

how do you setup up boinc so that you can become a featured participant? i'm running a linux version. anyhelp would be great, i've done some searching and can't seem to find how to make the settings.

thanks for the bandwidth,
ephman
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Bill Michael

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Message 2174 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 19:51:28 UTC

You have to have a "profile" created at the project in question, under "Your Account". The selection is random, but I _believe_ it is weighted at least a little bit with how many "I like this profile" votes you've gotten causing you to be more likely to be chosen.

It also helps if you choose a project that has very few participants... I've been "User of the day" twice at SZTAKI, but never at SETI. :-)

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Message 2175 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 20:08:21 UTC - in response to Message 2174.  

hi,

maybe i should be a little clearer. on the homepage to this site there is a "Featured Participant". it shows all the projects that the person is participating in, with a pie chart.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/stats_user.php?num=18

at the end of every url there's a unique number associated with each participant. how do i setup my account so that i as well get a unique webpage that also shows all the projects i participate in?

thanks,
ephman


You have to have a "profile" created at the project in question, under "Your Account". The selection is random, but I _believe_ it is weighted at least a little bit with how many "I like this profile" votes you've gotten causing you to be more likely to be chosen.

It also helps if you choose a project that has very few participants... I've been "User of the day" twice at SZTAKI, but never at SETI. :-)


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Message 2176 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 20:21:50 UTC - in response to Message 2175.  

Maybe i should be a little clearer. on the homepage to this site there is a "Featured Participant". it shows all the projects that the person is participating in, with a pie chart.


AH! I'm sorry... well, my guess is that first you have to be in the Top 100 list of multi-project participants. To do that, you need to produce more than 3,769 credits/day and be giving at least 5% to each of 2 or more projects.

If all you want is the pie chart, you can get that (and 1000 other stats) from BOINCstats. For example, mine is here. The pie is down close to the bottom of that page. I searched for "ephman" but didn't find it; if you use a different name on the sites, that may be why.

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Message 2178 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 20:33:14 UTC - in response to Message 2176.  

thank you,

ok i just installed everything yesterday. all my projects are under ephman

rosetta
einstien
predictor
seti
world community grid
lhc
climateprediction

so once i start finishing units my stats page on that site you linked below will automatically populate and update as units complete? there is no manual settings that i have to set it sounds like right? your help is great bill thanks.

be well,
ephraim.



Maybe i should be a little clearer. on the homepage to this site there is a "Featured Participant". it shows all the projects that the person is participating in, with a pie chart.


AH! I'm sorry... well, my guess is that first you have to be in the Top 100 list of multi-project participants. To do that, you need to produce more than 3,769 credits/day and be giving at least 5% to each of 2 or more projects.

If all you want is the pie chart, you can get that (and 1000 other stats) from BOINCstats. For example, mine is here. The pie is down close to the bottom of that page. I searched for "ephman" but didn't find it; if you use a different name on the sites, that may be why.


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Message 2179 - Posted: 22 Dec 2005, 21:18:12 UTC - in response to Message 2178.  
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ok i just installed everything yesterday. all my projects are under ephman

rosetta
einstien
predictor
seti
world community grid
lhc
climateprediction

so once i start finishing units my stats page on that site you linked below will automatically populate and update as units complete? there is no manual settings that i have to set it sounds like right?


What, you missed SZTAKI? >_<

Wow... uh... "Welcome to BOINC"? You're diving right on in, in a big way. Hope you have some _very_ powerful computers, or you may have bit off more than you can chew before deadlines there... A few hints:

_Always_ set CPDN (Climateprediction) to "no new work", and let work in manually when you need it. You never want more than one of their results on a single computer, unless you _really_ know what you're doing.

If you have any deadline problems or other concerns, I would "no new work" WCG, LHC, and Predictor, and when they are finally _out_ of work on your computer, suspend them. Work with the "basic 4" of Rosetta, Einstein, SETI, and CPDN for a while. I say this because LHC's work is erratic, Predictor's deadlines are short and their app is a bit buggy, and WCG is so new I just know nothing about their stuff yet. Once you're sure you're comfortable with everything BOINC-related, you can power them back up.

Keep your cache small. Maximum recommended is 1/n * shortest deadline, where n is the number of projects. So 1/7 of 7 days (Predictor) is 1 day. I think _I_ would keep it lower than that, probably the default 0.1 day.

Study the Wiki for any questions you have, and follow the message boards for any outages, etc., that may affect you. For example, Rosetta had a batch of "bad WUs" go out a couple of days ago, so you may see a lot of errors there; don't worry about it, the big ones they will go back and give credit for after the holidays.

Set the preference "leave applications in memory when preempted" to "yes". Otherwise, Rosetta won't work right for you.

If you are on Windows with an ATI graphics card, Einstein WUs may crash if you show graphics. There is a beta app available off their home page to fix that.

Give BOINC _lots_ of disk space in the preferences; CPDN will take around 650MB, the others more like 20MB each, but be generous. Especially on the "%" questions, because that is "% of free space", not "% of total disk space".

Read the Messages tab. You will see errors there long before they show up anywhere else.

Trust the BOINC scheduler. If you don't have any work for "project x" on your system, it's because you SHOULDN'T have any work for "project x" on your system. Unless there's an error in the Messages tab. :-)

--- now to your actual _question_... ---

Yes, it normally takes at _least_ 24 hours, AFTER credit is granted in a project, for your ID to show up in the project stats. That means you probably already have Rosetta credit, but won't have Einstein credit for a week or two, and you won't have LHC credit until they release a block of work to be done. You might show up sometime after noon PST tomorrow.

Once your name shows up in the search and you can pull up the "combined" page like the one I sent you to, you _still_ may not show all projects, even the ones you have credit for, until the "CPID sync" occurs. If this happens to you for more than a week, post back here for help. The projects that do show, if you click on the little 'graph' looking links beside each project, will give you an entire page like that on that project. You can then 'drill down' to teams, hosts, and many other things.

A similar site is BOINCSynergy. I prefer BOINCstats for the stats, but BOINCSynergy for my sig, because it shows %rank and Classic results, where BOINCstats sigs don't. There are probably 20 other stats sites out there, too.

Have fun!

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Message 2182 - Posted: 23 Dec 2005, 0:30:17 UTC - in response to Message 2179.  

awesome for the info thanks. i'm running a pretty quick linux machine and i've been looking at the report deadlines and shouldn't have a problem hitting any of them. climateprediction however is sending me units with dec/5th deadlines. anyhow i'll just let things run they way things were installed it seems to be going pretty well. now all i have to figure out is how to run this thing in a daemon... that'll be an adventure i'm sure. i've run grid type projects in the past like protien@home, and the old seti@home, all under linux, and the reason i stopped was because my machine always felt really sluggish, not with this boinc app, i still feel pretty quick, so i don't think i'll be dropping out anytime soon (or until i burn up my cpu).

thanks for the bandwidth,
ephman.


ok i just installed everything yesterday. all my projects are under ephman

rosetta
einstien
predictor
seti
world community grid
lhc
climateprediction

so once i start finishing units my stats page on that site you linked below will automatically populate and update as units complete? there is no manual settings that i have to set it sounds like right?


What, you missed SZTAKI? >_<

Wow... uh... "Welcome to BOINC"? You're diving right on in, in a big way. Hope you have some _very_ powerful computers, or you may have bit off more than you can chew before deadlines there... A few hints:

_Always_ set CPDN (Climateprediction) to "no new work", and let work in manually when you need it. You never want more than one of their results on a single computer, unless you _really_ know what you're doing.

If you have any deadline problems or other concerns, I would "no new work" WCG, LHC, and Predictor, and when they are finally _out_ of work on your computer, suspend them. Work with the "basic 4" of Rosetta, Einstein, SETI, and CPDN for a while. I say this because LHC's work is erratic, Predictor's deadlines are short and their app is a bit buggy, and WCG is so new I just know nothing about their stuff yet. Once you're sure you're comfortable with everything BOINC-related, you can power them back up.

Keep your cache small. Maximum recommended is 1/n * shortest deadline, where n is the number of projects. So 1/7 of 7 days (Predictor) is 1 day. I think _I_ would keep it lower than that, probably the default 0.1 day.

Study the Wiki for any questions you have, and follow the message boards for any outages, etc., that may affect you. For example, Rosetta had a batch of "bad WUs" go out a couple of days ago, so you may see a lot of errors there; don't worry about it, the big ones they will go back and give credit for after the holidays.

Set the preference "leave applications in memory when preempted" to "yes". Otherwise, Rosetta won't work right for you.

If you are on Windows with an ATI graphics card, Einstein WUs may crash if you show graphics. There is a beta app available off their home page to fix that.

Give BOINC _lots_ of disk space in the preferences; CPDN will take around 650MB, the others more like 20MB each, but be generous. Especially on the "%" questions, because that is "% of free space", not "% of total disk space".

Read the Messages tab. You will see errors there long before they show up anywhere else.

Trust the BOINC scheduler. If you don't have any work for "project x" on your system, it's because you SHOULDN'T have any work for "project x" on your system. Unless there's an error in the Messages tab. :-)

--- now to your actual _question_... ---

Yes, it normally takes at _least_ 24 hours, AFTER credit is granted in a project, for your ID to show up in the project stats. That means you probably already have Rosetta credit, but won't have Einstein credit for a week or two, and you won't have LHC credit until they release a block of work to be done. You might show up sometime after noon PST tomorrow.

Once your name shows up in the search and you can pull up the "combined" page like the one I sent you to, you _still_ may not show all projects, even the ones you have credit for, until the "CPID sync" occurs. If this happens to you for more than a week, post back here for help. The projects that do show, if you click on the little 'graph' looking links beside each project, will give you an entire page like that on that project. You can then 'drill down' to teams, hosts, and many other things.

A similar site is BOINCSynergy. I prefer BOINCstats for the stats, but BOINCSynergy for my sig, because it shows %rank and Classic results, where BOINCstats sigs don't. There are probably 20 other stats sites out there, too.

Have fun!


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Message 2183 - Posted: 23 Dec 2005, 0:31:10 UTC - in response to Message 2179.  

awesome for the info thanks. i'm running a pretty quick linux machine and i've been looking at the report deadlines and shouldn't have a problem hitting any of them. climateprediction however is sending me units with dec/5th deadlines. anyhow i'll just let things run they way things were installed it seems to be going pretty well. now all i have to figure out is how to run this thing in a daemon... that'll be an adventure i'm sure. i've run grid type projects in the past like protien@home, and the old seti@home, all under linux, and the reason i stopped was because my machine always felt really sluggish, not with this boinc app, i still feel pretty quick, so i don't think i'll be dropping out anytime soon (or until i burn up my cpu it's shot up 10 degrees celsius).

thanks for the bandwidth,
ephman.


ok i just installed everything yesterday. all my projects are under ephman

rosetta
einstien
predictor
seti
world community grid
lhc
climateprediction

so once i start finishing units my stats page on that site you linked below will automatically populate and update as units complete? there is no manual settings that i have to set it sounds like right?


What, you missed SZTAKI? >_<

Wow... uh... "Welcome to BOINC"? You're diving right on in, in a big way. Hope you have some _very_ powerful computers, or you may have bit off more than you can chew before deadlines there... A few hints:

_Always_ set CPDN (Climateprediction) to "no new work", and let work in manually when you need it. You never want more than one of their results on a single computer, unless you _really_ know what you're doing.

If you have any deadline problems or other concerns, I would "no new work" WCG, LHC, and Predictor, and when they are finally _out_ of work on your computer, suspend them. Work with the "basic 4" of Rosetta, Einstein, SETI, and CPDN for a while. I say this because LHC's work is erratic, Predictor's deadlines are short and their app is a bit buggy, and WCG is so new I just know nothing about their stuff yet. Once you're sure you're comfortable with everything BOINC-related, you can power them back up.

Keep your cache small. Maximum recommended is 1/n * shortest deadline, where n is the number of projects. So 1/7 of 7 days (Predictor) is 1 day. I think _I_ would keep it lower than that, probably the default 0.1 day.

Study the Wiki for any questions you have, and follow the message boards for any outages, etc., that may affect you. For example, Rosetta had a batch of "bad WUs" go out a couple of days ago, so you may see a lot of errors there; don't worry about it, the big ones they will go back and give credit for after the holidays.

Set the preference "leave applications in memory when preempted" to "yes". Otherwise, Rosetta won't work right for you.

If you are on Windows with an ATI graphics card, Einstein WUs may crash if you show graphics. There is a beta app available off their home page to fix that.

Give BOINC _lots_ of disk space in the preferences; CPDN will take around 650MB, the others more like 20MB each, but be generous. Especially on the "%" questions, because that is "% of free space", not "% of total disk space".

Read the Messages tab. You will see errors there long before they show up anywhere else.

Trust the BOINC scheduler. If you don't have any work for "project x" on your system, it's because you SHOULDN'T have any work for "project x" on your system. Unless there's an error in the Messages tab. :-)

--- now to your actual _question_... ---

Yes, it normally takes at _least_ 24 hours, AFTER credit is granted in a project, for your ID to show up in the project stats. That means you probably already have Rosetta credit, but won't have Einstein credit for a week or two, and you won't have LHC credit until they release a block of work to be done. You might show up sometime after noon PST tomorrow.

Once your name shows up in the search and you can pull up the "combined" page like the one I sent you to, you _still_ may not show all projects, even the ones you have credit for, until the "CPID sync" occurs. If this happens to you for more than a week, post back here for help. The projects that do show, if you click on the little 'graph' looking links beside each project, will give you an entire page like that on that project. You can then 'drill down' to teams, hosts, and many other things.

A similar site is BOINCSynergy. I prefer BOINCstats for the stats, but BOINCSynergy for my sig, because it shows %rank and Classic results, where BOINCstats sigs don't. There are probably 20 other stats sites out there, too.

Have fun!


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Message 2184 - Posted: 23 Dec 2005, 1:05:40 UTC - in response to Message 2183.  

looking at the report deadlines and shouldn't have a problem hitting any of them. climateprediction however is sending me units with dec/5th deadlines.


That's Dec 5th... 2006! CPDN deadlines are a year out...

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Message 2194 - Posted: 23 Dec 2005, 12:08:01 UTC

To add a tad to what Bill said.

I don't have a LOT of experience with WCG, but, so far, things have worked pretty well. But, note I have only a weeks experience. That is not much to tell, so, he is right about being cautious.

If you have dial-up you want a slightly larger cache of work. If you are cable/DSL I don't suggest going above 1 day, I use 0.5 days with a mix of projects like yours and have yet to run out of work even with local cable outages. Even with dial-up I don't feel that more than 2 days is really needed for almost all situations. I *USED* to have dial-up and would upload/download my SETI work behind my surfing and e-mail ...

I also commed his suggestion to limit the number of projects to 3 or 4 to start. When you get used to them, then you can add more.

Look in the Wiki first, it has an awful lot of the basic questions answered. It saves time for volunteers like Bill if you ask only after you can't find it there. It has google searching so you can find most everything by asking with the words. Error/status messages are listed and explained. The BOINC Application Owner's Manual talks about the basic software (though oriented to an older version, most everything is the same).

If things in the Wiki are not clear, ask ... I look at the BOINC forums and NC on most projects daily and also usually answer my e-mails.
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