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Nicolas

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Message 12709 - Posted: 23 Sep 2007, 20:14:18 UTC - in response to Message 12704.  

Single user install won't work there either, unless you only ever start BOINC from the same computer. If you download work from one computer, and upload it back from another, it will get rejected.

What's the reason behind that? I couldn't find any...
And do I read correctly that apart from this rejecting thingy that in theory it should work?

On some projects, the workunits MUST be crunched with the exact same hardware from beginning to end, or it will cause numerical differences.
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Message 12713 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 1:34:33 UTC

Because some cpdn climate models are so long (some can have a longer lifespan than an ageing computer that downloaded and started them!!) it's important to note that they all can be transferred to another computer and completed there, as long as the move is Windows to Windows, Linux to Linux or Mac to Mac. Anyone contemplating this should post on a cpdn forum rather than here.
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Message 12741 - Posted: 25 Sep 2007, 21:32:33 UTC

Ageless, Nicolas, thanks for the info. Still wonder though if the trick (making a 'full copy' of BOINC on comp A with tasks waitng but not in progress, crunch these tasks to completion on comp B and copy it back to comp A to upload and report) will even be possible if v6 is intended as a service... Sure one can copy all the files, but how can one start any tasks if there is no service? Currently this is possible via command line, but will this still be the case in v6?
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Message 12750 - Posted: 26 Sep 2007, 21:01:59 UTC - in response to Message 12741.  

Still wonder though if the trick (making a 'full copy' of BOINC on comp A with tasks waitng but not in progress, crunch these tasks to completion on comp B and copy it back to comp A to upload and report) will even be possible if v6 is intended as a service... Sure one can copy all the files, but how can one start any tasks if there is no service?

Sure (hope) there is! On both A and B. Possibly the same should work as without a service installation, and use "net start/stop boinc (or however will the service be named)" instead of Boinc Manager GUI or command line interface.

Maybe "net stop boinc" on A, copy everything from A to removable media ... to B, "net start boinc" on B, after few days of crunching, "net stop boinc" on B, copy everything from B to removable media ... to A, "net start boinc" on A and let everything be transfereed to/from project servers, and the whole cycle again...

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Message 12754 - Posted: 27 Sep 2007, 5:28:26 UTC

A while ago I've asked Rom (on romworld) if it was possible to add a skins directory to the installed files.
That way users don't have to make it after downloading a skin... it would simplefy things for those wondering were to leave the downloaded files.
I've got 6.x installed at my laptop for upcoming translation use, but I didn't see that, after the installation, one was created.

Is it possible to add this to the milestones..??

Greetings,
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Message 12827 - Posted: 4 Oct 2007, 7:18:26 UTC

Hi guys,

guess soemone already proposed this, but i couldn't succeed in finding any post about it in these "Wish list" threads, so I'll state my wish here..

It would be nice to be able to set a given WU to be kept running until completion form th "TASKS" pane, e.g one selects a TASK and can push a button and get this task to a "run continuously until completion" state, where this task will start running if not running and task switching will be suspended until the WU gets completed, pretty much like the automatically assigned "running, high priority" state that boinc can assign to a given task when it thinks there's a chance it won't complete within deadline.

On multiple CPU systems where more than one task is allowed to run task switching would be suspended foronly one of these "slots".

This would greatly help people taking part in experimental 8alpha or beta) projects along with "stable" ones when it is needed (or desired) to have a WU of one of this projects be completed ASAP (or let run as long as possible in a short time).

Basically only one task should get this state at a given time, hence eneabling it for a given task should reset any other task in "manned forced priority" state to switch back to normal scheduling.

Otherwise multiple tasks might be placed in this "manned priority" state and priorities among them could be assigned (and changed), i.e. the highest priority ine will be run until completion, then then second priority one, then the third ... In this case, on hosts where multiple computing "slots" are available, one should be able to set how many slots can be assigned to "manned priority" tasks.

I guess, anyway, that being able to assign this state to a single task would already be a good deal for all those who would make use of this feature.

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Message 12830 - Posted: 4 Oct 2007, 15:55:42 UTC - in response to Message 12827.  

Hi guys,

guess soemone already proposed this, but i couldn't succeed in finding any post about it in these "Wish list" threads, so I'll state my wish here..

It would be nice to be able to set a given WU to be kept running until completion form th "TASKS" pane, e.g one selects a TASK and can push a button and get this task to a "run continuously until completion" state, where this task will start running if not running and task switching will be suspended until the WU gets completed, pretty much like the automatically assigned "running, high priority" state that boinc can assign to a given task when it thinks there's a chance it won't complete within deadline.

On multiple CPU systems where more than one task is allowed to run task switching would be suspended foronly one of these "slots".

This would greatly help people taking part in experimental 8alpha or beta) projects along with "stable" ones when it is needed (or desired) to have a WU of one of this projects be completed ASAP (or let run as long as possible in a short time).

Basically only one task should get this state at a given time, hence eneabling it for a given task should reset any other task in "manned forced priority" state to switch back to normal scheduling.

Otherwise multiple tasks might be placed in this "manned priority" state and priorities among them could be assigned (and changed), i.e. the highest priority ine will be run until completion, then then second priority one, then the third ... In this case, on hosts where multiple computing "slots" are available, one should be able to set how many slots can be assigned to "manned priority" tasks.

I guess, anyway, that being able to assign this state to a single task would already be a good deal for all those who would make use of this feature.

Bye

darkpella

Think to have seen this 'wish' before of jobs running uninterrupted to completion. To a certain extend this is already managed by projects and short deadlines. One can further impact this by extending the project switching times. If an alpha runs for 4 hours estimate and the switch is set to 6 hours, it would go in 1 run. The whole time management and debt system would take care if the alpha takes too much.... give it a low weight and it's sure to be put in the corner for a while so other projects can catch up.
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Message 12831 - Posted: 4 Oct 2007, 16:24:02 UTC - in response to Message 12830.  

Hi guys,

guess soemone already proposed this, but i couldn't succeed in finding any post about it in these "Wish list" threads, so I'll state my wish here..

It would be nice to be able to set a given WU to be kept running until completion form th "TASKS" pane, e.g one selects a TASK and can push a button and get this task to a "run continuously until completion" state, where this task will start running if not running and task switching will be suspended until the WU gets completed, pretty much like the automatically assigned "running, high priority" state that boinc can assign to a given task when it thinks there's a chance it won't complete within deadline.

On multiple CPU systems where more than one task is allowed to run task switching would be suspended foronly one of these "slots".

This would greatly help people taking part in experimental 8alpha or beta) projects along with "stable" ones when it is needed (or desired) to have a WU of one of this projects be completed ASAP (or let run as long as possible in a short time).

Basically only one task should get this state at a given time, hence eneabling it for a given task should reset any other task in "manned forced priority" state to switch back to normal scheduling.

Otherwise multiple tasks might be placed in this "manned priority" state and priorities among them could be assigned (and changed), i.e. the highest priority ine will be run until completion, then then second priority one, then the third ... In this case, on hosts where multiple computing "slots" are available, one should be able to set how many slots can be assigned to "manned priority" tasks.

I guess, anyway, that being able to assign this state to a single task would already be a good deal for all those who would make use of this feature.

Bye

darkpella

Think to have seen this 'wish' before of jobs running uninterrupted to completion. To a certain extend this is already managed by projects and short deadlines. One can further impact this by extending the project switching times. If an alpha runs for 4 hours estimate and the switch is set to 6 hours, it would go in 1 run. The whole time management and debt system would take care if the alpha takes too much.... give it a low weight and it's sure to be put in the corner for a while so other projects can catch up.


Well, I know this can already be done by tweaking BOINC switching parameters, at least to some extent and in a pretty empirical manner, my "wish" would be to be able to do it fast, easy and for good.

Maybe I'm the only one, maybe I'm not, but I do enjoy taking part to most experimental projects with one of my BOINC hosts to help developing, also posting bugs and issues on those projects' boards, hence having a chance to get a WU crunched ASAP when a bugfix is to be tested or an issue is to be checked for repeatbility would be fine for me...

Bye

darkpella
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Message 13198 - Posted: 22 Oct 2007, 12:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 12116.  
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I was wondering if it would be possible to add a way to start a particular work unit instead of letting Bionc choose one at random. There have been times when I had a work unit that was almost finished, however Bionc would choose to start 2 different work units (I have a Dual Core System). It would be nice if I could say right click with the mouse Choose to tell Bionc to run the work unit I selected.


I have a similar wish, in that I would like an option to have BOINC execute the tasks in the order I sort them. Even better would be the ability to write a custom task selection DLL that would do the sorting for me. Personally Id prefer it work on the task with the lowest time from estimated completion to deadline, but I only run one project (Seti@Home) and I know some projects dont play nice with the scheduler (PrimeGrid).
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Message 13201 - Posted: 22 Oct 2007, 14:53:01 UTC - in response to Message 13198.  

I was wondering if it would be possible to add a way to start a particular work unit instead of letting Bionc choose one at random. There have been times when I had a work unit that was almost finished, however Bionc would choose to start 2 different work units (I have a Dual Core System). It would be nice if I could say right click with the mouse Choose to tell Bionc to run the work unit I selected.


I have a similar wish, in that I would like an option to have BOINC execute the tasks in the order I sort them. Even better would be the ability to write a custom task selection DLL that would do the sorting for me. Personally Id prefer it work on the task with the lowest time from estimated completion to deadline, but I only run one project (Seti@Home) and I know some projects dont play nice with the scheduler (PrimeGrid).

So many things I'm not liking in BOINC, I'm getting tempted to write my own BOINC core client from scratch. First feature would be making the scheduler and workfetch algorithms separated in a plugin, so that people can write a new one. BOINC is open source, doesn't mean it's easy to change. The scheduler code seems a bit scattered around the client.
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Message 13203 - Posted: 22 Oct 2007, 15:15:43 UTC - in response to Message 13201.  
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I'm getting tempted to write my own BOINC core client from scratch.

Now what to name it, NOINC? Or for your other nickname, POINC? ;-)
Or PLOINC? PovAddict's Love for Open Infrastructure Networks. :-)
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Message 13211 - Posted: 23 Oct 2007, 7:19:14 UTC

like in windows, boinc runs when there isnt network connection, I would like to see boinc on linux do the same thing, currently, I cannot start boinc if I dont have an internet link on the computer, changing to network activities suspended isnt working.
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Message 13232 - Posted: 23 Oct 2007, 23:36:01 UTC - in response to Message 13211.  

like in windows, boinc runs when there isnt network connection, I would like to see boinc on linux do the same thing, currently, I cannot start boinc if I dont have an internet link on the computer,

I think BOINC doesn't have Linux code to detect when a network connection is available.
changing to network activities suspended isnt working.

Are you sure it doesn't work? Maybe you clicked Update or similar while you had network activities suspended. BOINC then enables network activity in an attempt to help users who disable network without knowing what they are doing and then get confused when buttons don't work; at the expense of confusing everybody else.
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Message 13233 - Posted: 24 Oct 2007, 0:13:04 UTC
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I did a search and didn't find this wish -
On a Windows XP platform, it would be nice on the Tasks Tab, to be able to sort the "Report Deadline" column by 24:00 time instead of just numerically (for example - currently 10:00am comes after 9:00pm for the same date)
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Message 13235 - Posted: 24 Oct 2007, 1:17:41 UTC - in response to Message 13233.  

I did a search and didn't find this wish -
On a Windows XP platform, it would be nice on the Tasks Tab, to be able to sort the "Report Deadline" column by 24:00 time instead of just numerically (for example - currently 10:00am comes after 9:00pm for the same date)


It's been entered into Trac as Ticket #166.
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Message 13247 - Posted: 24 Oct 2007, 16:56:23 UTC - in response to Message 13232.  

like in windows, boinc runs when there isnt network connection, I would like to see boinc on linux do the same thing, currently, I cannot start boinc if I dont have an internet link on the computer,

I think BOINC doesn't have Linux code to detect when a network connection is available.
changing to network activities suspended isnt working.

Are you sure it doesn't work? Maybe you clicked Update or similar while you had network activities suspended. BOINC then enables network activity in an attempt to help users who disable network without knowing what they are doing and then get confused when buttons don't work; at the expense of confusing everybody else.


youve miss understood me, I meant that using the suspend network options doesnt enable boinc to work without network.
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Message 13249 - Posted: 24 Oct 2007, 18:25:47 UTC - in response to Message 13247.  
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changing to network activities suspended isnt working.

Are you sure it doesn't work? Maybe you clicked Update or similar while you had network activities suspended. BOINC then enables network activity in an attempt to help users who disable network without knowing what they are doing and then get confused when buttons don't work; at the expense of confusing everybody else.


youve miss understood me, I meant that using the suspend network options doesnt enable boinc to work without network.

Works for me. If you disable network activity, BOINC doesn't do any network activity on its own. Only if you explicitly tell it to, by for example updating a project.
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Message 13301 - Posted: 26 Oct 2007, 16:07:23 UTC

my wish: i like to make some statistics about the relationchip between claimed and granded credits. for now i have to copy this numbers from the project´s site (result.php). but this is ugly at project with more than 20 results per page....
is it possible to put this two numbers in the statistics.....xml file? this would help me.
i´m sorry for my bad english...
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Message 13343 - Posted: 28 Oct 2007, 12:20:28 UTC - in response to Message 13249.  

Works for me. If you disable network activity, BOINC doesn't do any network activity on its own. Only if you explicitly tell it to, by for example updating a project.


I think you have misunderstood the issue: the problem is that it is simply not possible to start Boinc without some kind of net connection. For example, on my Gentoo machine I have to start either the cable or wireless card to be able to start Boinc. It doesn't matter if there is any internet behind the router, Boinc just needs some network.
It would be nice if this could get fixed in the future.
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Message 13344 - Posted: 28 Oct 2007, 13:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 13343.  
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Works for me. If you disable network activity, BOINC doesn't do any network activity on its own. Only if you explicitly tell it to, by for example updating a project.


I think you have misunderstood the issue: the problem is that it is simply not possible to start Boinc without some kind of net connection. For example, on my Gentoo machine I have to start either the cable or wireless card to be able to start Boinc. It doesn't matter if there is any internet behind the router, Boinc just needs some network.
It would be nice if this could get fixed in the future.

The number of times i've auto-started BOINC, 5.4, 5.8, 5.10, when last to even be permitted by the Firewall to open being the LAN/Wifi, are countless. I do note that if I've closed the computer when in fact the client (BOINCmgr) was connected to a remote host, it would be sluggish, but not to the extend that no crunching would happen. Return to normal responsiveness would return either by connecting the client to localhost or when the network finally did get opened.

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