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Message 81023 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 17:39:46 UTC

It started with this:

Just don't mention the words Veal or Foi Gras, I can get quite irate, and you wuldn't like that
here people, followed by some recipes here ... and when I posted this there it did occur to me it might have been better if I'd done this then rather than now, but I didn't.

Now I have I will be returning (after cleaning out the cat litter and stuff) to chat about:

this, and this, and this

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Message 81026 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 17:55:30 UTC

How do feel about escargot?
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Message 81028 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 18:29:00 UTC

Well after a long work day, someone puts a Beef Steak/Pork Chop/Lamb Steak/Veal Cutlet in front of me, I'm going to sit down & enjoy it. The animal it came from is already dead so why waste it?

With man's inhumanity to man, seeing things like: -

The meat industry in the UK and the EU is thoroughly disgusting and inhumane.
make me curl up In laughter :-)
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Message 81031 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 19:23:46 UTC

Another point that makes me curl up with laughter are the many who moan about meat eaters & seeing what they are wearing. Here's a lovely clue: -

Leather can be made from cows, pigs, goats, and sheep; exotic animals such as alligators, ostriches, and kangaroos; and even dogs and cats, who are slaughtered for their meat and skin in China, which exports their skins around the world.
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Message 81032 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 20:22:54 UTC - in response to Message 81026.  

How do feel about escargot?

How do you feel about bird's nest soup?

Or, how many do you need to match a nice two pound prime rib?
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Message 81034 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 21:33:31 UTC
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*brandish pom-pom-no-lyx-please-pedes at all potential minions*

I wouldn't recommend that worshipping the ground thing just at the moment

No.

An absolutely cracking post that spells it out exactly how it is.
I'm glad you think so. It was meant to be a little more pragmatic in outlook though than:

The meat industry in the UK and the EU is thoroughly disgusting and inhumane. And I think all dairy farmers should be socially ostracised.
What I mean by that is - by taking the stance against veal that we have in the UK - we've made things worse for our own unwanted calves and tried to kill off what is in effect a better, more humane practise, that might have, by now - been adopted as a minimum standard in more countries if we had responded differently and decided instead to "buy British"

*suddenly stare out of monitor at world* no... I can't believe I'm arguing for people eating meat either, people... no... I can't, but someone made me ;)

Let me see if I can straighten this out to my satisfaction.

WE are the problem.

There we go! Fixed! ;)

There is a meat and dairy industry because there is a demand for them. They don't force us to consume anything they produce, we choose to. We can do as we always have done, or we can inform ourselves and make perhaps, more principled decisions based on our own personal views. Destroying an industry we're all culpable for creating - when there are those that follow practises that are so much better (in Jersey for example) - would have so many unintended consequences in the short and medium and long term - I'd prefer it if we didn't rush into it without a lot more thought and then quite a bit more first... and while we did that... in the meantime, perhaps change our own ways if we feel strongly enough to do so.

I've been having to do considerable rummaging around trying to find which alternative milk substitutes have a lower environmental cost than others do though. Milk sourced from coconuts appears to be the best... but not when it has to be transported the distances it does to get to my cup of coffee. Nestlé's coffee mate is very palatable - but their water practises are definitely on the iffy side. To give up cows milk on my cereals, I had to give up cereals, that sort of thing. In between those two points I had to weigh up which was most important to me - the merits of buying milk from Jersey and Guernsey on the grounds of vastly more humane practises, or the environmental benefits of getting it from a nearer source and being a continuing reason for the misery that has always troubled me so much, that for much of my life I tried not to think about it. I opted for cows over environment until I did (give up cereals I mean).

What if everybody else did the same? How much of "our land" would we as a species be prepared to give over to a domesticated species we no longer have a use for - bearing in mind that all along, we've been the problem?

How do feel about escargot?
*mournful blink* if there IS a hell - it'll be my record on snails that puts me there.

Another point that makes me curl up with laughter are the many who moan about meat eaters & seeing what they are wearing.
At a family dinner just before my twin went away to India, my brother decided to lay into her because she still eats meat. It made me slow blink so much I brought up his shoes, his wallet, the strap on his expensive watch, his car seats, his couch, his briefcase and his jacket all in one sentence, a bit like I did there, except I added that he should be thanking her for eating what was left after he'd donned the skin. It shut him up most satisfactorily ;) The unintended consequence though, is that he's no longer a vegetarian and it's my fault .... y-e-e-e-e-e-s :/

I think I'll stop there for the moment. This is long enough to consider giving everybody a brief break from me :) Next up: Rocky mountain oysters probably...

edit: If you find yourself running out of oxygen - please help yourself to one of these:

. . . . . , , , , , - - - - : ;

A proof-read seems to have turned up a shortage of punctuation in places.

Of course this would have been better up there *direct eyes according to instructions* than here...
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Message 81035 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 21:52:36 UTC

There is a semi-samizdat (and borderline illegal: i.e. illegal over the border in Scotland) trade in green-top unpasteurised farm-bottled milk. There is some hope that producers (the farmers) prepared to jump through the legal hurdles for a discerning purchasing public also have the welfare of the real producers (the cows) in mind as well.
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Message 81038 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 4:16:37 UTC

My 2¢ worth.
Forget all those chemical energy drinks, you know the ones I mean, the best energy drink is milk.
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Message 81048 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 11:44:00 UTC - in response to Message 81043.  

Sadly I have to go out to a very early committee meeting. I will return later.
Hmm, would that be your normal meeting dress? Blue jeans, leather belt & brown leather jacket?
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Message 81061 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 14:17:42 UTC - in response to Message 81060.  

Hmm, would that be your normal meeting dress? Blue jeans, leather belt & brown leather jacket?[/i]
No, I don't drive lorries. If necessary I would wear a business suit. Something you probably have never owned. The other items I will refer to later.
You just can't stop can you. It's a shame that photobucket no longer allows 3rd party linking :-(

Can you confirm that the animal whose skin you wear was not slaughtered inhumanely? You cannot, so wouldn't it be a waste of food to discard its meat?
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Message 81066 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 15:03:48 UTC



*visit scary kitchen cupboard where things fall out of*



Just need to find a match now.... :)


.....


Here we go! :)


...never seen one with such a long lighty bit though ...




*light long lighty bit*

Back soon :)
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Message 81074 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 16:54:19 UTC - in response to Message 81066.  
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Here we go! :)


...never seen one with such a long lighty bit though ...




*light long lighty bit*

Back soon :)

I think I'll light one too.
Ah, here it is ...

I'm sure that will keep the peace around here. Be back after the eye Dr.
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Message 81085 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 18:57:05 UTC

Amazing what use animals can put to...

Tallow

...and the lengths some go to whinge...

Whingers
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Message 81088 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 20:40:16 UTC - in response to Message 81086.  

Generally my feelings are that if the animal in question was cruelly reared, and inhumanely slaughtered, then eating their dead body or using the by products of their death has to be discouraged as a matter of ethical principle.
Fair enough comment. However, what does ethics say about wasting good meat?
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Message 81090 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 20:52:55 UTC - in response to Message 81088.  

Generally my feelings are that if the animal in question was cruelly reared, and inhumanely slaughtered, then eating their dead body or using the by products of their death has to be discouraged as a matter of ethical principle.
Fair enough comment. However, what does ethics say about wasting good meat?
Seems to be the same question when they burn ivory. The demand doesn't go away, the supply went down, the price goes up and more poachers make a living. Or at least that is the economic theory behind it.
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Message 81091 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 22:04:02 UTC
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I used to be quite good with those...
all they need is pairing up and re-stringing :)

*select four unusually heavy castanet shells*

What slightly worries me is what else there in this scary cupboard that also falls out upon ones head. I mean apart from red candles with long wicks?
A champagne bucket that either brains me or hats me. That's got a very large tegenaria gigantica living in it at the moment so I've made it more secure so neither of us gets too surprised during an encounter. The drill and the jigsaw I try to intercept so the iron doesn't hit my foot again... and I run away from the cake tins bellowing "AVALAAAAAAANCHE" -

usually.

I thought everyone had a cupboard like that...?

*eye-up Gary's eye* I hope that gets better soon. Does a stitch interfere with it blinking at all?


what is wrong with soy milk on cereals?
BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUCH is what I think is wrong with soy milk on cereals. Yes. They'd have to do some serious tinkering with the cereal to undo what it is that it does to its flavours and textures. The milk I grew up with was never pasteurised. It took me long enough to adjust to what get's done to it here before I release it from it's plastic into a bowl. It's not like I consciously decided to give up cereals. There was much persevfailing first before I realised that cows milk is the only milk I like on them. In that sense, and one other. I have to agree with this:

the best energy drink is milk
I mean... think about it* while I think about not finding any string...

I know you can make your own vegan cheese - from tofu and nuts and stuff - I just haven't done it yet.

A Lady called M posted in the original thread.
I noticed she'd been left instructions on where to find us... I also noticed where she's from ...

:)

*sudden pained blink on way out* I'll test their acoustics by banging them against one another I think... *prepare two castanets*
The bull testicles will have to wait till my next post, people... I hope no one minds...?

*Malibu and boiled crushed strained soy beans just can't be right can it? ;)
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Message 81094 - Posted: 12 Sep 2017, 5:55:59 UTC - in response to Message 81091.  

*eye-up Gary's eye* I hope that gets better soon. Does a stitch interfere with it blinking at all?
No. At present it is still tight. If and when it gets loose I'm told it will feel a bit like when you have an eyelash in the eye.
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Message 81102 - Posted: 12 Sep 2017, 9:45:04 UTC - in response to Message 81098.  

PETA*
* been a paid up member of PETA for 5 years.
Some organisations should be taken with a pinch of salt
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Message 81106 - Posted: 12 Sep 2017, 10:22:10 UTC - in response to Message 81103.  

Rather than trying to denigrate an internationally respected animal charity, It would have been better to tell the truth.
Okay, let's tell the truth.

It was a senseless waste of funds & only made PETA look like fools. The money wasted could have been put to much better use.
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Message 81110 - Posted: 12 Sep 2017, 12:20:16 UTC - in response to Message 81107.  

I would love to answer that but unlike you, I don't see an unexpected vacation as a badge of honour.

However, what I will say is that if the Human Race put as much effort that people like you put into animal welfare on human lives, I would not hesitate to fund charities such as you fund.

Until that happens, I'm going to continue enjoying my beef steaks.
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