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Message 79166 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 15:59:03 UTC

Would those that are anti Monarchy and would prefer to live in a Republic, please declare their hands publicly now. Every one of you.


Why?
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Message 79168 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 16:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 79167.  

Sorry guys, the three of you will have to wait until tomorrow. Been around for far too long to jump to that sort of provocation. Enjoy your evening :-)
Ah your "standard" leaving excuse.

No provocation from me, just stating facts or are you calling the members of the All Party Parliamentary Fire Safety & Rescue Group liars & Agents Provocateurs?

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FYI that info was provided to Master Williams in his role of Minster in that department in March 2014 during the "happy days" of the Tory - Lib Dem" coalition. Nice job you did boys.
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Message 79169 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 17:06:18 UTC - in response to Message 79168.  
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FYI that info was provided to Master Williams in his role of Minster in that department in March 2014 during the "happy days" of the Tory - Lib Dem" coalition. Nice job you did boys.


Rather have that coilition back in power now than that bum licker May thanks , least the Lib Dems sorta kept the Conservatives " honest " but anythings better than Comrade Corbyn and his bleeding heart liberal lefty supporters , bugg#rin the country up again !!
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Message 79170 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 17:13:27 UTC - in response to Message 79169.  

Nope, they were spoilt little brats, throwing tantrums because the king wouldn't lend them the keys to the kingdom. The king didn't give them the keys because they were stuck too far up the rectum of the EU. :-)
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Message 79171 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 17:26:23 UTC - in response to Message 79170.  

That's true enough ;-) but least wern't so much of a " clucking fuddle " it is now
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Message 79172 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 17:58:05 UTC - in response to Message 79161.  


Would those that are anti Monarchy and would prefer to live in a Republic, please declare their hands publicly now. Every one of you.

I take it that those who do not declare themselves a patriotic subject of the British empire shall have their views and opinions on the election, and the subsequent matters that come as a result of it, dismissed?
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Message 79173 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 21:10:40 UTC - in response to Message 79161.  

Would those that are anti Monarchy and would prefer to live in a Republic, please declare their hands publicly now. Every one of you.
It sounds like you intend upon setting up an enemies list.



Should the authorities be informed when it appears a person is setting up an enemies list?
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Message 79174 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 23:46:56 UTC - in response to Message 79161.  
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The State opening of Parliament is one of the greatest events in the life of the United Kingdom, and incorporates the quite proper display of the very symbols of office, worn or not, of the British Monarchy, as has been done by tradition over centuries. And I will not stand by and see that denigrated by anybody.


It is at moments such as these, that I'm reminded of this, Sir:

An Englishman, Irishman, Welshman, and Scotsman were captured while fighting in a far-off foreign land, and the leader of the captors said, 'We're going to line you up in front of a firing squad and shoot you all in turn. But first, you each can make a final wish.'

The Englishman responds, 'I'd like to hear "God Save The Queen" just one more time to remind me of the auld country, played by the London All Boys Choir. With Morris Dancers Dancing to the tune.'

The Irishman replies, 'I'd like to hear "Danny Boy" just one more time to remind me of the auld country, sung in the style of Daniel O'Donnell, with Riverdance dancers skipping gaily to the tune.'

The Welshman answers, 'I'd like to hear "Men Of Harlech" just one more time to remind me of the country, sung as if by the Treorchy Male Voice Choir.'

The Scotsman requested, 'I'd like to be shot first.
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There is nothing quite like the pomposity and circumstance of an Englishman in full roar, is there Mr S. For some moments during this thread - I confess to the belief we were witnessing a new you. Too much sun and not enough hat on my head during my absence no doubt ;-)



and i would really love to see you say that to my face
So you keep saying, Sir.

Both your quote, Mr Stevenson, and the one that follows below:

Would those that are anti Monarchy and would prefer to live in a Republic, please declare their hands publicly now. Every one of you.


...beg the question : "so you can do what?"

Now that is provocative.


tensions regarding Gibraltar
That we have little confidence in the competency of those doing the negotiating, goes without saying, and I am not referencing those who may or may not be paying your Island a visit in the near future, Mr S.

I trust things will improve?
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Message 79179 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 7:13:44 UTC

The State opening of Parliament is one of the greatest events in the life of the United Kingdom, and incorporates the quite proper display of the very symbols of office, worn or not, of the British Monarchy, as has been done by tradition over centuries. And I will not stand by and see that denigrated by anybody.
Better put pen to paper & have a go at this guy then
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Message 79182 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 8:49:07 UTC - in response to Message 79180.  

Herein lies your biggest problem as the bulk of your post confirms.
I'm quite happy to say that I support the current government (with caveats) and the Monarchy as well.
You have great difficultly in separating government & monarchy. All I see on the boards are people providing their opinions about politicians & their decisions. I cannot recall seeing where that can be construed as anti-monarchy.

Because you were asked nicely, so we all know where people stand? If you would rather ditch the Monarchy then at least have the courage to say so.
As above.

The result of putting the people before the party.
As opposed to putting party 1st? Let's look where that got the country...
Refusal to implement fire safety changes & what it has now cost the country.
£8.6 million for refurbishing Grenfell Tower.
£10 million to purchase apartments to rehouse survivors.
(Possibly) 2 million or more to have those apartments fitted.
£5 million to survivors.
(Approx) £10 million to demolish & rebuild.

Now lets at the other costs.
100's of lives ruined or affected for many years to come & the (more than likely) loss of man hours.
The overall cost of the manpower involved in the incident.
Funeral costs.

Overall an estimated cost of £50,000,000.

What it should have been: - £5000: The difference between the PE & FR cladding. £200,000 - 300,000 to retrofit sprinklers.

No doubt the anti-monarchists here will rejoice at the Daily Mail front page this morning, probably frame a copy for the wall.
As above.

You are all free to have the opinions that you want, and I certainly have no intention of trying to change them, and also I can see no reason why I should waste my time in trying to defend mine against you. Trying to have sensible conversations with you lot is like talking to a brick wall, about as much fun as watching paint dry. Enjoy your little club, in the words of Sam Goldwyn, you may include me out.
Yes we are & the majority of us realise that others can have their opinions without seeing senseless labelling because of an individual's failure to realise their fault & their inability to separate Monarchy from parliament - They are two separate entities.

As for taking a pop at politicians, we are entitled to. After all they are the ones "begging" us for their votes every few years to put them in power to run the country NOT put party 1st.

As for party 1st? Laughable as for the past several years all the electorate has heard is I not we.

What I would love to see is the 4 ministers involved in the fire safety issue be put on Question Time & given an intensive grilling. Would we see political bovine excrement or would we see some empathy?
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Message 79184 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:10:22 UTC - in response to Message 79183.  
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Yesterday the PM had to apologise in the Commons for his Council's failings. As PM she effectively has a sign on the desk saying the buck stops here. He should have gone days ago, his position was untenable.

Incorrect, at least get your facts correct. The CEO has resigned. The double barrelled snob at the top is still there.

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"Nicholas Paget-Brown, the leader of the council, said it was with "regret" that he had accepted Mr Holgate's resignation."

What was that about "The buck stops here"?
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Message 79186 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:26:00 UTC - in response to Message 79185.  
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Normally, I would have no choice but to agree, unfortunately I cannot.

Here's why: The government(Taxpayers) have paid £10,000,000 for those flats. WHY hasn't the RBK&C bought them as they have a £42,000,000 surplus?

Edit & the government has handed them over to RBK&C - pretty free with our money don't you think?
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Message 79187 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:29:34 UTC

if it's an enemies of the State list

Oh... well there you go, and I thought this was a democracy where free speech was at least tolerated, but there I am... a number two *waft self upwind*

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Message 79188 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:31:57 UTC

Since it mentions Paget-Brown by name, I think it's time for a re-post of the letter from a resident of R B K & C.

My local tax rebate is blood money

In 2014, I received my Kensington and Chelsea council tax bill and a letter from the leader of the council, Nicholas Paget-Brown, explaining that all residents who pay council tax in full would “receive a one-off payment of £100”, to be deducted from the bill. This bonus, the letter continued, was due to the council’s careful management of its finances over the years, “consistently delivering greater efficiencies while improving services”. Austerity, K&C style: you give to the rich while taking from the poor (nobody with discounted bills or claiming council tax support was eligible to share in the bounty of the town hall blue-chips).

On a Conservative website, Paget-Brown further explained that “thanks to an overachieving efficiency drive”, the council was “well ahead of [its] savings targets for the year”. Triple AAA credit status, how nice. In deciding what to do with this surplus, he continued, “we have taken the view that it is simply wrong to discount from our calculations whose money this was in the first place. In short, we think the right place for it is back with our residents.”

In May 2014, the local election returned a huge majority of Conservative councillors. Business as usual. For years, the Royal Borough has got away with bribing the electorate with its own money. For years, the Royal Borough has been running huge underspends in its revenue budgets which it then transfers into capital reserves. The underspend in the 2016-17 adult services budget alone is £1.9m. Apparently, adult services in the area are doing so well they don’t need the money. And every other social service must be performing brilliantly, as the council’s projected reserves of £167m by the end of 2016-17 has climbed to a staggering £209m – that’s £42m surplus to requirements. How many sprinkler systems is that?

As the toxic ash of Grenfell Tower’s vanity cladding falls over the neighbouring streets, we are left with the acrid truth in our throats: regeneration in the Royal Borough is in fact a crime of greed and selfishness. I took the refund. At the time, I felt uncomfortable with this decision and the ways in which I justified it to myself. And then I forgot about it, until the smoke drifting into my flat in the early hours of Wednesday woke me up. Today, I gave it back. It wasn’t ever mine to keep. I handed it over in cash to a vicar running a refuge for the victims of the fire in a local church. I explained that it was not a donation, not a charitable act, that it was guilt money and he was doing me a kindness by taking it off my hands.

If you live in Kensington and Chelsea, please, give your rebate back. But not to the council, which seems to have trouble in identifying those – “our residents” – who might actually need it.
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Message 79189 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:35:41 UTC - in response to Message 79187.  

if it's an enemies of the State list

Oh... well there you go, and I thought this was a democracy where free speech was at least tolerated, but there I am... a number two *waft self upwind*

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It's only free when we can be persuaded to vote for the right party :-)
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Message 79190 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:36:01 UTC - in response to Message 79187.  

I thought this was a democracy ...
Has anybody else thought of re-establishing the GLC, so that there is democratic control over matters applicable to all London boroughs?
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Message 79193 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:42:43 UTC - in response to Message 79192.  

I would think that many locally Tory controlled London Councils would have a word to say about a new GLC! And who was the leader for many years? Red Ken!
I would have thought that an all party parliamentary group run it, but alas, as already evidenced, those type of groups are not listened to.
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Message 79194 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:45:47 UTC - in response to Message 79192.  

The Greater London Council (GLC) was the top-tier local government administrative body for Greater London from 1965 to 1986. It replaced the earlier London County Council (LCC) which had covered a much smaller area. The GLC was dissolved in 1986 by the Local Government Act 1985 and its powers were devolved to the London boroughs and other entities. A new administrative body, known as the Greater London Authority (GLA), was established in 2000.
I would think that many locally Tory controlled London Councils would have a word to say about a new GLC! And who was the leader for many years? Red Ken!
And the part I've emphasised has led to the situation we're discussing today.

If London wishes to vote for Red Ken, then London should be able to vote for Red Ken. That's democracy.
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Message 79195 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 9:47:57 UTC - in response to Message 79191.  

The government(Taxpayers) have paid £10,000,000 for those flats. WHY hasn't the RBK&C bought them as they have a £42,000,000 surplus? & the government has handed them over to RBK&C - pretty free with our money don't you think?
You are asking me questions that I have no means to answer. I don't know what goes on behind the doors of RBK&C Council or No.10 any more than you do.

Can I suggest that you ask the PM and the Council Leader those questions, I have no role as their spokesman.

You did state that we are all free to voice our opinions did you not?

Don't you have any free will? Asking you a question as your a long standing taxpayer has nothing to do with local or national government.
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Message 79197 - Posted: 22 Jun 2017, 10:08:45 UTC

I've been listening to the statement made by Theresa May in the House of Commons, and the questions she was asked and (barely) answered - enquiry this, investigation that, testing the other.

The biggest question seems to be whether flammable cladding was permitted under building regulations.

If if was forbidden, then an awful lot of builders and building inspectors will be passing through the courts in the coming months and years.

If it was (and still is) permitted, then the Houses of Parliament should be spending their time passing a one-clause bill 'for the avoidance of doubt' saying that no flammable panel should be attached to a building higher than xx metres after, say, 12 noon today.
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