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Message 79110 - Posted: 19 Jun 2017, 11:53:26 UTC

What follows is a thought experiment only - I'm not sure where it'll lead.

Let's assume that most human settlements started with a pretty homogeneous community. Perhaps the odd Roman, Viking, minstrel or trader wandered through, but basically uniform.

So, what happens when the first 'outsider' likes the look of the place, and decides to settle?

Round here, the phrase is often "they're driving house prices down" - which might be a good thing, no? In London, maybe the phrase is "they're driving house prices up", I don't know.

How are prices set - free market, willing buyer, willing seller. A key driver is what the buyer is willing and able to pay - remember gazumping? It's a human thing, not something intrinsic to the house.

So, why do immigrants tend to cluster together in defined areas of towns and cities? Is it because of the comfort from familiar languages, familiar foodstuffs in the market? (almost certainly yes). Or is it because that the previous wave of migrants decide that they're not comfortable with their new neighbours, and move away? (in my experience, also yes).
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Message 79111 - Posted: 19 Jun 2017, 11:54:28 UTC - in response to Message 79109.  
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edit: perhaps you would prefer it if I changed my flag to my country of birth? Sometimes I think I would feel more at home there :)


Where did I bring that up anniet??? Don't think i did , i just get a bit pissed when people make London out to be the " Be all and end all " of this country .
I never brought up your flag so don't start making out like i did , and if you're trying to " imply " without saying that I'm a " closit racist " you are well wide of the mark matey and i would really love to see you say that to my face

Mark - I was teasing :) And I would love to meet you too. I wasn't implying anything. If I've left you feeling a little paranoid by my post - my sincere and genuine apologies :(
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Message 79112 - Posted: 19 Jun 2017, 12:00:47 UTC - in response to Message 79110.  
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So, why do immigrants tend to cluster together in defined areas of towns and cities? Is it because of the comfort from familiar languages, familiar foodstuffs in the market? (almost certainly yes). Or is it because that the previous wave of migrants decide that they're not comfortable with their new neighbours, and move away? (in my experience, also yes).

In the case of my brother, he removed his daughter from her private school when a Muslim child was admitted to it. He moved away from where they lived, when a Muslim family moved in down the other end of their street. So yes - I think you've made an excellent observation that isn't always obvious at first glance, Richard.

edit: And now I'd best get back to what I should be dealing with instead of hiding from my cares here :)
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Message 79115 - Posted: 19 Jun 2017, 13:39:10 UTC

65,140,000 people on this island.

2,786,635 Muslims on this island.

Hardly a takeover!
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Message 79119 - Posted: 19 Jun 2017, 14:35:44 UTC

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Message 79128 - Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 10:02:20 UTC - in response to Message 79127.  
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What is this!? Are you serious, AnnieT?! Why are you apologising?
Oh, well, firstly, hello :) and secondly: however much it might appear that the contrary is true, I really don't come here intending to upset people :( Poor Jord. I don't think when he went on holiday he expected me to be the one to spark a ruckus :/

What did you think the point was putting inverted commas around Londoners? English is not my first language, nor my second, but that gist is obvious even to me. Never misplace respect on those that haven't deserved it.
Here? https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11649&postid=79106

I suppose if I thought anything at all, I perceived it as more of a general insult or frustration not specifically aimed at me :) I could have got that wrong of course, but people do seem to get quite erm... regional here. I only mentioned flags in the hope it might defuse some of the irritation my living in and posting from London caused. I'd hoped it would highlight that I have much a wider allegiance than to just one dot on a map, but it backfired with quite a bang :(

However much Chris feels it is my heritage, I am a bit of a fish out of water at times. No one else to blame for that other than my big mouth which just won't keep shut sometimes ;)

I really am one of the least important people there are, not just in this city, but the whole country to be honest. And I'd gladly not have London dominating the news at the cost of the provinces as Mark put it. I'm only really able to control avoiding getting myself into the headlines though :/ I'm not sure what else I can do about everything else the media might decide to cover.

I will be spending as much of today as I can in the critical care unit with my other half though, which should keep me out of trouble for awhile - hopefully :/ But thank you for your points :)

edit @all: Hope everyone has a nice outrage
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Message 79129 - Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 10:38:59 UTC

Hmmm...

Funny thing, Heritage

...if one excludes migration, there is no heritage :-)
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Message 79135 - Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 18:03:59 UTC
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no problem was expressed about media coverage of London, until a terror attack targeted specifically at Muslims
To be fair - it wasn't that which got up anybody's nose. It was most definitely my postcard from London. It may even have been just the first word :/

In hindsight :) "fortunately" would have been much better. Or... it wouldn't have been worse... ? ;)


@Sirius - that looks a most interesting link. Thanks. I will fling cold salady things at everyone, then have a read of it.



Sorry to hear that

As indeed is everyone else :-(
Aww it's okay. I feel better for having seen him

edited for too many weird gaps
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Message 79140 - Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 18:49:28 UTC

"A spokesman for Defra told the BBC: "Our revised Statutory Guidance means more resource can be directed to those sites most in need and allows local authorities to take a more stringent, risk-based approach when identifying and cleaning up contaminated land.""

Hope they're more stringent than their fire regulations!

It's all about the money, honey
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Message 79144 - Posted: 20 Jun 2017, 20:19:34 UTC

It doesn't have an end ...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40349654
A man has triggered a small explosion in Brussels Central Station, a spokesman for the Belgian federal police told the BBC.

The man was shot by soldiers inside the station and no-one else is believed to have been injured.

Police say the situation is under control. The station and the city's Grand Place were evacuated.

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Message 79153 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 10:29:55 UTC

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Message 79154 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 10:50:42 UTC

Was that it? What a mealy-mouthed set of platitudes - about the only thing she didn't mention was motherhood and apple pie.

And how much time was wasted by how many people - like the guy who carried in the crown she didn't wear.

About the only interesting thing was that there's going to be a state visit - but by the King & Queen of Spain, not by Donald Trump.
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Message 79155 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 10:54:24 UTC

OK, back to Al-Jazeera for some real news.
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Message 79156 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 11:17:53 UTC
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OK, back to Al-Jazeera for some real news.
Caught the news there as it broke, of the US state department apparently u-turning Trump's view on Qatar. Does anyone know whether he's on board with that?

From Sirius's link here
(because the seven Sinn Fein MPs won’t take up their seats 322 is an effective majority).
I understand why they don't, but it would be an intriguing mess/development if a DUP-Tory alliance encouraged them to review that principle. (Thanks for the DEFRA article btw - I think :/ grim indeed)
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Message 79157 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 11:27:54 UTC

Bill-by-bill at a glance. But I wouldn't bother glancing at it.

Al-Jazeera spotted that Donald Trump was missing, too. And also noticed that control of Executive pay had vanished.

"new powers to license a wide range of new commercial spaceflight..." Let's hope that's their exit strategy.
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Message 79158 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 11:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 79157.  

Bill-by-bill at a glance. But I wouldn't bother glancing at it.

I did. You were right.

"new powers to license a wide range of new commercial spaceflight..." Let's hope that's their exit strategy.

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Message 79159 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 12:10:16 UTC - in response to Message 79154.  

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Message 79162 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 14:22:16 UTC - in response to Message 79161.  

Chris ain't beeing funny but where did you get your quotes from , would be nice to know the scource your having a dig at
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Message 79164 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 15:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 79161.  
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Would those that are anti Monarchy and would prefer to live in a Republic, please declare their hands publicly now. Every one of you.
If I don't quite fit the parameters laid out in your question, Chris... what should I do...? ;/ I mean... with no one at the top even remotely in touch with the rest of us *quickly brush up on CPR skills* my present mood is telling me to storm parliament as politely as possible and install Jeremy Corbyn as King...

*attempt winning smile* ;)

....which came as quite a surprise to me because I've never considered myself a monarchist at all really. I'm not sure whether republics are entirely my cup of tea either though. They're not without their problems, but I wouldn't stand in the way if it looked like we would one day go down that route

*hand Chris an opposing placard and ceremonial sword* I am sorry... .... but you DID ask... ;)

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approaching the Lib Dems
would that be in the hope of finishing them off once and for all...? ;) cos I'd advise them to run... run... whatever you do... don't get caught again ...
;)

another edit: as to the first point, I'd probably be open to convincing otherwise, but it could be some time before I am... peace? :)
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Message 79165 - Posted: 21 Jun 2017, 15:48:01 UTC

Ah yes, the lib dems :-)

Wasn't it "a former" leader who put himself first before the queen? Didn't see anyone in his party denigrate him!

After further correspondence, Liberal Democrat MP Steven Williams - who was then a minister in the department - replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."

The group replied to say they "were at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence, which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent".

"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017 in, for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention.""


As for Master Williams, he's given a whole new meaning to Gay Lib :-)
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