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Message 78445 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 15:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 78423.  

Could somebody please impeach him as quickly as possible

Impeachment isn't a quick process. Read this Wiki part for what's needed.
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Message 78446 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 15:56:17 UTC - in response to Message 78445.  

Could somebody please impeach him as quickly as possible
Impeachment isn't a quick process. Read this Wiki part for what's needed.
I only see two votes - one each in the House and the Senate - that needn't take long :)

Our 'Brexit Bill' - the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017 - had to go through twelve steps: it was tabled on 26.01.2017, and received Royal Assent on 16.03.2017

I make that 52 days - the USA should be able to manage their simpler process in 10 days?
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Message 78447 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 16:16:24 UTC - in response to Message 78446.  

I only see two votes - one each in the House and the Senate - that needn't take long :)
First, the House of Representatives votes on one or more articles of impeachment. If at least one gets a majority vote, the president is impeached — which essentially means being indicted. (In both the Nixon and the Clinton cases, the House Judiciary Committee considered the matter first.)

Next, the proceedings move to the Senate, which holds a trial overseen by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.

A team of lawmakers from the House, known as managers, play the role of prosecutors. The president has defense lawyers, and the Senate serves as the jury.

If at least two-thirds of the senators find the president guilty, he is removed, and the vice president takes over as president.

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Message 78448 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 16:56:25 UTC - in response to Message 78447.  

I only see two votes - one each in the House and the Senate - that needn't take long :)
First, the House of Representatives votes on one or more articles of impeachment. If at least one gets a majority vote, the president is impeached — which essentially means being indicted. (In both the Nixon and the Clinton cases, the House Judiciary Committee considered the matter first.)

Next, the proceedings move to the Senate, which holds a trial overseen by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.

A team of lawmakers from the House, known as managers, play the role of prosecutors. The president has defense lawyers, and the Senate serves as the jury.

If at least two-thirds of the senators find the president guilty, he is removed, and the vice president takes over as president.

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If this episode is as bad as some think it is, with the implication that the whole election was compromised, shouldn't the whole Trump administration be thrown out, not just Trump.
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Message 78449 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 16:57:12 UTC - in response to Message 78447.  

If at least two-thirds of the senators find the president guilty, he is removed


If this hapens and he's found guilty or whatever who get's to say the imortal words " you're fired " to him ??
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Message 78450 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 17:10:27 UTC - in response to Message 78448.  

If this episode is as bad as some think it is, with the implication that the whole election was compromised, shouldn't the whole Trump administration be thrown out, not just Trump.

That might be just but that's not in the constitution. In a parliamentary form of govt that probably be true.
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Message 78451 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 19:39:48 UTC

Well, 36 minutes late, but he's said it: The United States will withdraw from the Paris climate accord.

Would increased climate-damaging emissions count as the use of chemical weapons - a crime against humanity?

If so (and following his own precedent), are we now authorised to drop a MOAB against, say, Andrews Air Force Base?
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Message 78452 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 21:57:54 UTC

Would increased climate-damaging emissions count as the use of chemical weapons - a crime against humanity?


Well not if the person in charge says there are no such things as "climate-damaging emissions".

Those are just stories made up by the USA's enemies, you know the other 187 countries who did sign the agreement.
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Message 78453 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 22:22:12 UTC - in response to Message 78452.  

Would increased climate-damaging emissions count as the use of chemical weapons - a crime against humanity?
Well not if the person in charge says there are no such things as "climate-damaging emissions".

Those are just stories made up by the USA's enemies, you know the other 187 countries who did sign the agreement.
If the President of Syria simply states that there are no chemical weapons, does that make the MOAB (sorry, different target, 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles) a war crime?

It would save a lot of criminal court time if every defendant could simply say "there's no such thing as the jemmy you say you saw in my hand - case dismissed".
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Message 78485 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 9:53:07 UTC - in response to Message 78483.  
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Interesting piece in the Washington Post on companies and states that oppose Trump.
These titans of industry just broke with Trump’s decision to exit the Paris accords

Re: your link, the "per capita" numbers are the more interesting.
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Message 78486 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 9:56:41 UTC

Here's an interesting twist in the UK general election:

Conservative candidate charged over election expenses

That's expenses mis-stated for the last election, rather than this one, but better late than never. Should have been dealt with ages ago, but full marks to the Crown Prosecution Service for not kicking it into the long grass during purdah.
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Message 78489 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 10:13:23 UTC - in response to Message 78485.  

Interesting piece in the Washington Post on companies and states that oppose Trump.
These titans of industry just broke with Trump’s decision to exit the Paris accords

Re: your link, the "per capita" numbers are the more interesting.
Theresa May has refused to sign a letter of protest drafted by the other three European G7 members. Under the Tories, the UK more and more comes to resemble the 'Airstrip One' of George Orwell's 1984.
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Message 78491 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 10:28:58 UTC

Not our most favorite person to quote, but he may very much be right in this: Jean-Claude Juncker warns Donald Trump it will take YEARS for US to leave Paris Agreement
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Message 78492 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 10:41:53 UTC - in response to Message 78491.  

The question being asked here is whether Trump can withdraw before the next US presidential election.
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Message 78493 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 11:01:30 UTC - in response to Message 78492.  

He just thinks as a company CEO, that the accord was made between companies and that he can get a better deal. Perhaps that someone can give him book C of a children's encyclopedia so he can look up the difference between a country and a company. He knows how to tweet, so it's possible he can read and understand small words.
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Message 78502 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 11:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 78494.  

Yes, Big Brother and the inner and outer societies and the proles. Not much different to today I agree. The people that run the country, the people that think they ought to run the country, and the rest in the street that think the country is being run badly by whoever is in power.


Careful Chris you're almost sounding like Sir Humphrey there again ;-)
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Message 78505 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 13:28:42 UTC

I have seen one suggestion that says all the countries that signed the Paris agreement should impose a carbon tax on all US goods they import.
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Message 78508 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 14:55:34 UTC

Small straw in the UK election wind: I went down to collect my Guardian newspaper as usual, at lunchtime. I saw that the racks of newpapers for general sale were practically empty, and feared that the wholesaler had failed to deliver (again). But no - deliveries had arrived as usual, and they had simply sold out - much higher demand than usual. According to the shop assistant behind the counter, people had been buying a range of different papers, and one she asked had said that it was in order to get a range of different viewpoints on the election.

So, perhaps, people are being more engaged and thoughtful than usual about where to place their vote? That could affect the outcome in any direction, of course, but maybe the simplistic 'tory walkover' we all assumed at the beginning was wide of the mark?
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Message 78513 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 15:26:55 UTC

Oh, oh, is this the US pres?
Maybe he has high blood pressure? https://www.drugs.com/sfx/clonidine-side-effects.html

  • confusion as to time, place, or person
  • general feeling of discomfort or illness
  • holding false beliefs that cannot be changed by fact
  • irritability
  • mental depression
  • seeing or hearing things that are not there
  • trouble with sleeping
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Message 78516 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 16:01:03 UTC

You tell him, Arnold: Arnold Schwarzenegger has a blunt message for Donald Trump (Twitter video, subtitled).
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