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Message 74100 - Posted: 16 Nov 2016, 16:21:45 UTC

Did we land on the moon, is there a Bermuda triangle?

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Message 74105 - Posted: 16 Nov 2016, 19:03:34 UTC

No mystery, just bad reporting.

"The Guardian says it has seen 3D images, showing large holes in the seabed

He said he could not believe his eyes when the sonar images came in, showing only a groove where his father's ship had been."

The seabed is not static. Quakes do hit as witnessed by New Zealand.
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Message 74106 - Posted: 16 Nov 2016, 20:04:56 UTC

The notion that the moon landings were faked is still the most fascinating conspiracy theory to me.
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Message 74127 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 9:57:18 UTC - in response to Message 74106.  

Faked moon landings are the invention of a group of anarchists that have convinced themselves that all governments have been lying ever since Roswell in 1947. They are the ones that believe that ET has been here on earth walking about with us since then, and that flying saucers are everywhere. Area 51 is part of Edwards Air Force Base, within the Nevada Test and Training Range. Most USA spy plane testing has been taken for UFO's which they are quite happy about.

Also odd that scientific institutions all around the world have moon rocks to examine, that are unlike anything on earth, but similar in nature.

The infamous Sunday Sport with stories like "WWII bomber found on moon" are clearly intended to be a joke and are taken as such. But when it involves people lives it isn't so funny any more. Some people still say JFK was the FBI/CIA because the Kennedy family had become too powerful in ruling America, The 9/11 WTC buildngs are still thought by many to be deliberate detonations because they imploded and fell within their own footprint. Why? To give the USA an excuse to be the worlds policeman and interfere in foreign wars.

The Bermuda Triangle, (its smaller counterpart the Dragons Triangle off Japan) is still thought by some to be the site of Atlantis with one of their generators still running. The truth is it is one of the most heavily traveled shipping lanes in the world, with ships frequently crossing through it for ports in the Americas, Europe, Caribbean islands etc Cruise ships and pleasure craft regularly sail through the region, and commercial, Navy, and private aircraft routinely fly over it. Sheer statistics.

In this case although I might completely disagree with the Guardian's political stance, but they are not normally prone to Tabloid journalism. As the article said further, the ships were found to be there once, now they are apparently not there. Vessels of that size couldn't have been dismantled or salvaged at that depth without somebody being aware of it. Pretty drastic seabed movements needed to cover those size of objects.

I'll have to keep an open mind upon some of the above because I just don't know the truth. Then again maybe I'm not supposed to. The subject of this sort of thing was brought up once at a dinner that Margaret Thatcher attended. She was heard to reply "There are some things that you just can't tell the people". Ooooohh our own UK conspiracy!
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Message 74131 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 10:16:15 UTC

*charge straight off topic - sort of*

One of my favourite films was Capricorn One which as I recall was about a faked Mars ??? landing. I was about 9 or 10 when I saw it so I could be wrong.
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Message 74132 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 10:21:47 UTC - in response to Message 74131.  

Quite correct Annie, it was 1977.

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Message 74136 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 10:47:15 UTC

The Titanic conspiracy theory was an interesting one. If I remember correctly, it was alleged it was her sister ship that sank, and that it was an insurance scam, that went a bit wrong because the ship that was meant to be lurking about waiting to pick up passengers, was in the wrong place, so didn't.

I doubt any of it's true, but it's the kind of thing that happens to some of my plans, which is why it interested me.
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Message 74168 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 18:35:34 UTC - in response to Message 74167.  

That will go nowhere.
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Message 74171 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 19:27:47 UTC - in response to Message 74168.  

Well then it should do shouldn't it? Official war graves are respected throughout the rest of the civilised world. Well, what would you expect in that part of the world anyway.
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Message 74172 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 19:50:08 UTC - in response to Message 74168.  

It's just pompous bureaucrats rattling their cage.

With the disappearance of MH370 & the massive coverage of that area, the salvage of those ships would have taken a considerable amount of time.

Long enough to have been noticed.

This is just a case of reporting for reporting's sake.
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Message 74189 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 10:37:56 UTC - in response to Message 74172.  

I'm not sure if the search for MH370 is that relevant. The vessels referred to went down in the Battle of the Java Sea in 1942. The search for MH370 has mainly been in the Southern Indian Ocean SW of Australia. I would agree though that Indonesia has a fair amount of air and sea traffic.

If these wrecks really have been looted and removed for scrap, then it is an international scandal. There is no dissension that carrying out this work would have taken time and been noticed, and points the finger to that part of the world maybe turning a blind eye. But we are straying somewhat into political territory here. An area that we said we were happy to get rid of from the forums.

@Annie - I hadn't heard that particular rumour about the Titanic. The ship sank because it hit an iceberg at 22 knots in the dark, because of minimal lookout systems. The watertight compartment bulkheads didn't go all the way up to the deck, As the ship went bow down the water cascaded from one compartment to another hastening the sinking. The loss of life was due to not enough lifeboats, which at the time was not a board of trade requirement.

There is sometimes a fine line between Conspiracy theories and Urban myths. One in particular is that Jack the Ripper was a member of the Royal Family. Conspiracies are usually deliberately started by the perpetrators for their own reasons, Urban myths just gain popular belief through embellishment and time.

In addition to that there is the plain ridiculous. In the 21C with mankind able to put a robot on Mars, drive it around, and get pictures back, there is still a Flat Earth Society I kid you not!
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Message 74197 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 19:48:28 UTC - in response to Message 74189.  

I'm not sure if the search for MH370 is that relevant. The vessels referred to went down in the Battle of the Java Sea in 1942. The search for MH370 has mainly been in the Southern Indian Ocean SW of Australia. I would agree though that Indonesia has a fair amount of air and sea traffic.

That whole area is contentious, so it is more than likely that numerous parties are keeping a watchful eye on matters. MH370 just gave a genuine excuse to up the game so to speak.
But we are straying somewhat into political territory here. An area that we said we were happy to get rid of from the forums.

Fair point even though that was not my aim, which does beg a question from you...

..What has FIFA got to do with the R.I.P. thread?
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Message 74204 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 23:31:42 UTC - in response to Message 74197.  

..What has FIFA got to do with the R.I.P. thread?

The full title of that thread is "These are no longer with us, may they have peace".

The poppies are worn in memory of the dead in WWI, and as such are a mark of respect to those who gave their lives. It is observed throughout the world and quite rightly by the two football teams. It is not a political statement, but an act of remembrance.
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Message 74211 - Posted: 19 Nov 2016, 10:01:51 UTC
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Well this thread hasn't gone quite in the direction that I had intended it to. The sort of thing that I was referring to was stuff like many people believe that Flying saucers exist in a hollow earth and come and go via a hole in the Arctic.

Tabloid nonsense
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Message 74216 - Posted: 19 Nov 2016, 17:50:02 UTC - in response to Message 74189.  
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@Annie - I hadn't heard that particular rumour about the Titanic.

I don't think it was a rumour at the time. It was after the wreck was found and photographed that there was speculation.

The ship sank because it hit an iceberg at 22 knots in the dark, because of minimal lookout systems. The watertight compartment bulkheads didn't go all the way up to the deck, As the ship went bow down the water cascaded from one compartment to another hastening the sinking. The loss of life was due to not enough lifeboats, which at the time was not a board of trade requirement.

None of that was disputed. Just which ship it was that did it. Whichever it was... it wasn't unsinkable was it... *

In addition to that there is the plain ridiculous. In the 21C with mankind able to put a robot on Mars, drive it around, and get pictures back, there is still a Flat Earth Society I kid you not!

Next time we meet, remind me to demonstrate to you how my friend (very intelligent in almost 99 percent of situations) can convincingly convince you that the earth is in fact...flat.

It lasts for at least a few seconds :)

edit: * a smiley didn't seem appropriate somehow
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Message 74217 - Posted: 19 Nov 2016, 19:25:27 UTC

I forgot to talk about that hole at the north pole. The ice is getting less reflective because of industrial activities elsewhere. Doesn't make it a hole even if they think it looks like one. Take today for example. I bought a tin of tuna fish this morning. I expressly checked that it was tuna, not tuna and mayonnaise too. When I went to open it, I saw it was tuna and mayonnaise :/ so I popped back to the shop to ask if I could exchange it with a plain tin of tuna and found out it already was one.

I think I imprinted the wrong label on it. That's what they've done. These are people who at some point, unexpectedly fell down a hole they didn't know was there and thought the earth was hollow until they noticed it wasn't... which, as all good scientists know, would have only been verified for that one point they splatted on. As so few people have had the opportunity to fall over at the north pole, speculation is bound to abound.
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Message 74218 - Posted: 19 Nov 2016, 21:32:08 UTC - in response to Message 74216.  
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None of that was disputed. Just which ship it was that did it. Whichever it was... it wasn't unsinkable was it... *
At the time it was genuinely thought to be unsinkable. It was designed to stay afloat with 4 of the 16 watertight compartmentss flooded, the iceberg holed 6. Also they used cheap rivets fore and aft to save money which is why the ship broke into two.

Next time we meet, remind me to demonstrate to you how my friend (very intelligent in almost 99 percent of situations) can convincingly convince you that the earth is in fact...flat.
Oh yes, please do, look forward to that :-))

It lasts for at least a few seconds :)

As long as that??
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Message 74219 - Posted: 19 Nov 2016, 21:57:29 UTC - in response to Message 74217.  
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I bought a tin of tuna fish this morning. I expressly checked that it was tuna, not tuna and mayonnaise too. When I went to open it, I saw it was tuna and mayonnaise :/ so I popped back to the shop to ask if I could exchange it with a plain tin of tuna and found out it already was one.
Labels are of course designed to fool the unwary and need to be taken with a modicum of disbelief. It's all a dastardly trick to entice the shopper to return and likely buy more goods whilst they are there. It's called Retail Technology and you can get a good MSc in it. They also sell good glasses too.

Arctic holes - now we are getting somewhere, I mean, where are all these saucers going to garage overnight otherwise. Most streets around here are residents parking only, and UFO's tend not to pay parking tickets.

Yes, things tend to go splatt when falling from a height, as young Isaac found out one day. Many people do fall over at the North Pole but it doesn't get mentioned much as the Glacier Times is only an annual publication, and has just one reporter who spends most of his time vetting cans of tuna, and campaigning for equal rights for ET's.
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Message 74234 - Posted: 20 Nov 2016, 9:23:24 UTC

OK three in a row on a Sunday :-)

Another good one was the assertion that Paul McCartney of the Beatles died and was replaced by a look-alike, They say that if you play "Revolution 9" from the White Album backwards you hear "turn me on, dead man". Paul is still very much alive and recording and performing to this day.

But hack journalists have made, and continue to make a living out of such stuff, and there is always a willing audience to believe it.

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