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Message 74149 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 13:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 74148.  

Max-width: 600px
Well, I don't mind images being resized to a more normal size, considering some of you don't know how to behave yourself, but I do agree that 600px may be a tad small.

However, remember that Bootstrap is added for easier use on handheld (mobile) devices and that you wouldn't want a large image (or code-box) on a 5 inch screen.

(Hmmm, I see there are no scroll bars on the code boxes in my browser on my mobile phone...)
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Message 74150 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 14:05:02 UTC - in response to Message 74149.  

Max-width: 600px

I know we're in a lounge here, but this is supposed to be a development and debugging board, and sometimes one needs to refer to a screenshot. Even though I know how to crop and scale before posting, nowadays my BOINC Manager windows are full HD (1920 x 1080) - 600 px (the minimum width) for the event log, and the remaining 1320 px for the main Manager window beside the log. So a full Manager screenshot (still without scaleable fonts) will be shrunk to less than half size. Read that if you can.
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Message 74151 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 14:28:07 UTC
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Whilst I know this is the BOINC forums I suspected that once it works OK here it could be rolled out at SETI



And something like this might, as Richard says, be a little small
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Message 74154 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 15:05:15 UTC

Anybody else notice that when you load a forum with new posts, it goes to the bottom of the first new post, instead of to the top of it, and you have to scroll up to see the beginning?
Not positive now that the Seti forums are different, but it is bugging me, so I believe it is so.
And of course, I cannot test it on Seti at the moment.

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Message 74155 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 15:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 74154.  
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Anybody else notice that when you load a forum with new posts, it goes to the bottom of the first new post, instead of to the top of it, and you have to scroll up to see the beginning?
Not positive now that the Seti forums are different, but it is bugging me, so I believe it is so.
And of course, I cannot test it on Seti at the moment.

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EDIT...even when I made this new post, when it reloaded the page, it went to the bottom of my new post, not the top of it. (I meant to edit my last post, not reply to it.)
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Message 74157 - Posted: 17 Nov 2016, 15:37:45 UTC - in response to Message 74155.  
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Yes. It loads from just above the level of my nose downwards - avatar-speaking. I'd have complained before now if it was my own nose..

Odd - that time my eyes were there too

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This is where "top" is and it seems to move around a bit too so that there is more space above it on some occasions (which of course you don't see at the time)
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Message 74178 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 7:44:33 UTC

And now that Seti is back up and I can test it, I can confirm my suspicions.
On Seti, when I load a thread with new posts, it goes to the oldest new post, and shows it from the top of the post, not from the bottom.

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Message 74179 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 7:53:32 UTC - in response to Message 74178.  
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And now that Seti is back up and I can test it, I can confirm my suspicions.
On Seti, when I load a thread with new posts, it goes to the oldest new post, and shows it from the top of the post, not from the bottom.

Meow.

So here on FF 50.0, I'm seeing the top line of the first new post is at roughly the center of the window.
[Edit] but it seems as though the longer the message is, the further towards the top it starts?, Are you seeing that, Mark?[/]
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Message 74180 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 8:02:33 UTC - in response to Message 74179.  

I guess I have not analyzed it to that extent.
All I can say is that on Seti, the new post is displayed neatly from it's beginning. Here, the new post is displayed from somewhere in the body and you have to scroll up to get to the beginning of it. Rather messy.

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Message 74182 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 8:33:02 UTC - in response to Message 74180.  

I guess I have not analyzed it to that extent.
All I can say is that on Seti, the new post is displayed neatly from it's beginning. Here, the new post is displayed from somewhere in the body and you have to scroll up to get to the beginning of it. Rather messy.

Meow.

OK, so
pardon
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where
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then
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Message 74183 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 8:35:32 UTC
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And the answer is no, that's not it. But what I do see is that the top of my long message here started at the same line number as the new header does, so those lines are covered by the header and I must scroll up to see the beginning. Thus it would seem that the header size was not accounted for.
Also, I would note that perhaps the BOINC logo could be scaled down in size a bit to help this ...
[edit] But there is some attempt to center the message starter position that is going awry.
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Message 74184 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 8:42:40 UTC - in response to Message 74183.  

I do notice just now that the user info on the left has been corrected, and no longer takes up a third of the screen.
Making progress.

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Message 74186 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 9:01:07 UTC - in response to Message 74185.  

Yes we do seem to be getting there at last. Credit where it is due.

That being given, I am not sure I understand why the effort is being made when the forums at Seti work so seamlessly.

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Message 74187 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 10:27:16 UTC - in response to Message 74186.  


That being given, I am not sure I understand why the effort is being made when the forums at Seti work so seamlessly.


The forums at Seti will eventually also get this stuff, as probably all BOINC forums out there will. It's the latest development of the BOINC back-end, geared towards them being available on mobile devices.

The 'jump to middle of the first unread post' problem has to do with the navigation bar at the top, and a solution is at hand (was already available in Bootstrap development, but why it isn't included in their source code, no one knows).

The development of the back-end/forums is just about the only development BOINC has, as although there is some movement in the client source code from volunteer developers, we must acknowledge we're down two of our main developers: Rom Walton has left us, and Charlie Fenton is only volunteering here and there. So I wouldn't expect a new client out any time soon. (Usually when I post something like this, they surprise me and do the opposite. So here's to hoping. :))

We should develop this style of different forums, as otherwise BOINC admins would be pushed into the arms of the Drupal development. Not sure you'd want to go there.

Everyone's concerns have been reported to behind the green screen. It's being worked on.
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Message 74191 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 10:47:03 UTC - in response to Message 74187.  
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Everyone's concerns have been reported to behind the green screen. It's being worked on.

Sounds good. Hopefully the observations and general comments have been useful.
FYI, for whomever, the "size=" tag is being ignored within quote tags.
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Message 74193 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 11:05:43 UTC - in response to Message 74192.  
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No it isn't!

Interesting, guess I didn't test properly
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Message 74195 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 13:48:51 UTC - in response to Message 74193.  
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I saw you do a [ size=9] (minus the space) inside the quote earlier, but it won't automagically work if you don't add the end tag, in this case [ /size] (minus the space) before the end quote tag.

Edit: I noticed that it will work outside of quoted text, which isn't good either.
[size=9]test test test

Does that work for everything?
[quote]test test test
No.
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Message 74198 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 19:51:37 UTC - in response to Message 74195.  

I saw you do a [ size=9] (minus the space) inside the quote earlier, but it won't automagically work if you don't add the end tag, in this case [ /size] (minus the space) before the end quote tag.

Would have sworn I added the end tag, as it was obvious that was required. Guess not ...
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Message 74200 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 20:37:36 UTC - in response to Message 74187.  


That being given, I am not sure I understand why the effort is being made when the forums at Seti work so seamlessly.


The forums at Seti will eventually also get this stuff, as probably all BOINC forums out there will. It's the latest development of the BOINC back-end, geared towards them being available on mobile devices.

The 'jump to middle of the first unread post' problem has to do with the navigation bar at the top, and a solution is at hand (was already available in Bootstrap development, but why it isn't included in their source code, no one knows).

The development of the back-end/forums is just about the only development BOINC has, as although there is some movement in the client source code from volunteer developers, we must acknowledge we're down two of our main developers: Rom Walton has left us, and Charlie Fenton is only volunteering here and there. So I wouldn't expect a new client out any time soon. (Usually when I post something like this, they surprise me and do the opposite. So here's to hoping. :))

We should develop this style of different forums, as otherwise BOINC admins would be pushed into the arms of the Drupal development. Not sure you'd want to go there.

Everyone's concerns have been reported to behind the green screen. It's being worked on.

Drupal is defiantly not a good answer.
It takes so much longer so do anything on Einstein since they went with it and kind of puts me off the project all together.
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Message 74201 - Posted: 18 Nov 2016, 20:43:11 UTC

I think that some do not understand the impact of the 'social aspect' of the Seti forums.
For some of us, it is a daily way of life.
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