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Message 74012 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 10:43:18 UTC - in response to Message 74001.  

what's with quotes being in bold & larger font?

That is annoying and needs to get fixed.
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Message 74015 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 11:33:59 UTC - in response to Message 74013.  

Perhaps time to jump up the management tree? Professor Stuart Bale, Director SSL lab? Then again is any of it really worth bothering that much about anyway.


You have answerd that yourself there , and doubt theres much point in kicking up a stink about something that's not that important is there , unless you just like shi#estiring :-)
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Message 74017 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 11:40:34 UTC
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Answers from a postcard:

David Anderson wrote:

- You can shrink the page on Android now. Works fine on my phone and PC.
- Fonts etc.: we're using the Bootstrap default. We can fiddle with this once everything else is working.
- Only privileged users can user HTML, including the apparent new code instructions. (Yay me... )
- I fixed the jump to first unread bug.
- Friday is no different than any other day. I work all days.
- The script that sends the daily emails wasn't configured to run for the BOINC web site. I fixed this - it might work now.

Edit:
I also see that the left-right scroll bar is back in the browser, no longer part of the thread.
Plus posting quoted text from a preview window now seems to work.
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Message 74018 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 11:42:36 UTC

Answers from a postcard:

David Anderson wrote:

- You can shrink the page on Android now. Works fine on my phone and PC.
- Fonts etc.: we're using the Bootstrap default. We can fiddle with this once everything else is working.
- Only privileged users can user HTML, including the apparent new code instructions. (Yay me... )
- I fixed the jump to first unread bug.
- Friday is no different than any other day. I work all days.
- The script that sends the daily emails wasn't configured to run for the BOINC web site. I fixed this - it might work now.

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Message 74019 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 12:00:41 UTC - in response to Message 74011.  

Bernie's got a good point but would of 4t they would of told Jord about the change before it happend .

In a way he may have done, if I had kept my mind at those things. He has been saying for a while now that he wanted to add the Bootstrap CMS to the forums to make them more accessible on mobile devices, and allow for easier skinning and changing of the front-end and forums.

There was a thread about it on github (Issue #1704) the past couple of days with David saying he was going to actively follow up on that and add it to the collective. So that should've been a warning for me that it was coming.

Threats about going over David's head to someone else up the tree isn't going to help, because:
1. David is the father of BOINC.
2. He's the chairman of the BOINC Governance group.

So, complaints? Take it up with him, exactly as he requested in the development list email:
Please send me comments/feedback.

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Message 74020 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 13:08:34 UTC - in response to Message 74018.  

Answers from a postcard:


Maybe something should be posted in the News section?

The Seti is down thread is perhaps the wrong place to have a sensible discussion about the boinc forum changes.
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Message 74021 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 13:46:51 UTC

Please don't confuse BootstrapCMS with the Bootstrap HTML, CSS, JS framework (http://getbootstrap.com/). The latter thing is what get's implemented to BOINC. It is NOT a CMS (Content Management System!). The thing that is simply called the Bootstrap framework (developed by Twitter) is just a collection of CSS classes that can be used in the BOINC webcode to give it a specific look. It has predefined classes that make it easier to build websites that scale very well on different devices and the programmer does not need to worry about that stuff.

At first it will feel different but give David some time to fix the things that you only see in a production system. One could argue that a little more advance notice would have been good but ask yourself what would have changed? You would still have complained that you want the old thing back. Bugs would still need to be fixed that could not be seen on a testsystem and so forth.

As Jord already said: David is the quasi "owner" of this forum and he can do as he pleases with it.
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Message 74022 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 14:10:20 UTC - in response to Message 74021.  
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Please don't confuse BootstrapCMS with the Bootstrap HTML, CSS, JS framework (http://getbootstrap.com/). The latter thing is what get's implemented to BOINC. It is NOT a CMS (Content Management System!). The thing that is simply called the Bootstrap framework (developed by Twitter) is just a collection of CSS classes that can be used in the BOINC webcode to give it a specific look. It has predefined classes that make it easier to build websites that scale very well on different devices and the programmer does not need to worry about that stuff.

Ah, thanks for that clarification, Christian. I wasn't sure about the thing I linked to earlier, as it sounded 'different', but as I didn't see the other link in my searches, I assumed... :)

And you're right of course, it's not a CMS. Don't know why that stuck with me. My mind wanders elsewhere these days.

By the way, things look very different on my LED TV, when compared to on my 32" monitor, for instance all the quoted text is the same size and without bold face, as the rest of the text is. Both use Firefox, both with the option on to let the pages decide what font and markup to use. Text still scrolls off the side of the screen though, even on full-screen browser on a 50" TV.
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Message 74028 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 22:57:19 UTC
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One item, the BOINC link in the upper left isn't to the home page, but to the forum home. As just an inch below is the "message boards:" link ...

<ed>after posting it scrolls to the signature part of the post, so it isn't landing exactly where it should be.
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Message 74031 - Posted: 12 Nov 2016, 23:27:34 UTC
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Some minor things.

Generally - columns if they have a natural maximum width should not grow past that width when the page is widened. For example Threads/Posts/Last Post on a forum list page and the Author column when a thread is opened.

On forum home page.

A) The BOINC Logo should probably appear on the BOINC link in the top LH corner, or somewhere on the page.

B) The Separator rows Volunteers and Software development and testing should be in a different font or highlighted differently.

When Posting a message, the Post reply button and Send Message button in the "Sent Private Message" page is showing strange behaviour in Firefox and Chrome.

Hover over the button and the lower half of the button highlights (others buttons do not)

Press and hold the button for a few seconds and release - whites out the button.
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Message 74032 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 1:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 74031.  

Some minor things.

Generally - columns if they have a natural maximum width should not grow past that width when the page is widened. For example Threads/Posts/Last Post on a forum list page and the Author column when a thread is opened.

On forum home page.

A) The BOINC Logo should probably appear on the BOINC link in the top LH corner, or somewhere on the page.

B) The Separator rows Volunteers and Software development and testing should be in a different font or highlighted differently.

When Posting a message, the Post reply button and Send Message button in the "Sent Private Message" page is showing strange behaviour in Firefox and Chrome.

Hover over the button and the lower half of the button highlights (others buttons do not)

Press and hold the button for a few seconds and release - whites out the button.

I, too, am on FF and am seeing what AgentB is seeing when posting a message, or responding/quoting someone's message. In quoting this message from AgentB; when I hover over "Post Reply", I get a blue underline exactly underneath the words "Post Reply". However; in hovering over "Preview" no blue underline occurs.

I don't seem to see a "Left-Right" Scrolling issue; BUT, I'm viewing on a Wide Screen 21" HP 2009m LED/LCD Monitor. Columns HAVE BEEN widened viewing on this monitor. (Also, as an aside, I'm running MAC OS X El Capitan 10.11.4; but, I expect that the same still holds for Win and Linux Users.)


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Message 74037 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 9:55:25 UTC

The option "Mark all threads as read" doesn't seem to work, at least in FireFox.
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Message 74038 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 10:02:17 UTC - in response to Message 74037.  

The option "Mark all threads as read" doesn't seem to work, at least in FireFox.

BROKEN in Chrome (Google and it's variants including Opera) and Internet Explorer also.
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Message 74045 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 16:49:40 UTC

Not for me :-(

Within a thread the column for the name etc is too wide so reduces available width for the content.
On the "index" page the lack of dividers just makes it look messy and hard too read on a small screen.
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Message 74052 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 21:35:35 UTC

Mark all threads read is fixed.
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Message 74054 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 21:55:54 UTC - in response to Message 74052.  
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Mark all threads read is fixed.

Did the fix mark all threads/posts unread first? Could swear stuff that was marked read became unread, but not an issue if it is a one time event.
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Message 74055 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 22:29:45 UTC - in response to Message 74054.  

I'm seeing that too.
The thread title cleared, but all of the posts in the thread are now Unread.

Ahh, no. Make that more complicated.

The thread I was looking at has several pages, the latest of which was Unread.
On checking earlier pages, they were read. And going back to the current page, it's now read as well.
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Message 74056 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 22:43:34 UTC - in response to Message 74055.  
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That's normal behaviour on all BOINC forums, as far as I know. What the "Mark all threads read" function does is clear all markers for unread threads, it does not change the cookie for where you were in any of the threads on the forums.
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Message 74057 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 23:00:59 UTC
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Another note....
The page responds correctly and stays formatted properly when hitting it with a 'control +' to increase the font size.
Now it becomes much easier on the eyes.

After a little getting used to, I am not disliking it as I did upon first glance.
Fix the quote behavior and we might have a runner here.
That, and perhaps cut down on the space used on the left for the user info.

Meow.
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Message 74058 - Posted: 13 Nov 2016, 23:03:31 UTC - in response to Message 74057.  
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After a little getting used to, I am not disliking it as I did upon first glance.
Fix the quote behavior and we might have a runner here.

Meow.

Do wish there was a way to change the default font size.
Ditto on the quote font size, though ...

Also, I think this was already noted, but in reading PMs text goes way off the screen instead of wrapping. Also has same quoted text font size issue.
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