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Message 68033 - Posted: 27 Feb 2016, 23:04:58 UTC

SETI assumes that "intelligent" life communicates using the electromagnetic spectrum. SETI searches using radio telescopes to "listen" for narrow bandwidth radio transmissions. Do you really think that if humans are stuck in the electromagnetic medium (EM)... that every life form in the universe is also stuck in EM medium?

Have the people at SETI ever considered that other transmission mediums might also be used rather than EM?

Evidence exists that Aliens who have abducted or communicated with humans do so using telepathy. To communicate long distances through space, there may be a "side-band" in the gravitation waves that allow transmission WE CANNOT DETECT.
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Message 68035 - Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 1:05:14 UTC - in response to Message 68033.  

And you are wasting OUR time posting here, because this is NOT the SETI site, which is here.
Where it says SETI at the top of the page, and not BOINC.
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Message 68036 - Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 1:46:00 UTC - in response to Message 68035.  
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Sorry to waste your time Les but I am under the impression that this is the BOINC Forum and in particular BOINC Project forum. Since SETI is a BOINC Project kgets is quite entitled to voice his opinion here for it is a general comment about SETI. Since I do not crunch Seti at the moment opinion of other users are welcome by me and MY time will not be wasted. You are assuming too much by saying it wastes OUR time, although I must admit I am unaware of who is included in OUR time. Are you speaking on behalf of others or is it just your opinion? Never the less if kgets is actually wants a qualified answer to his question sure, SETI Project would be an ideal starting point.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
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Message 68037 - Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 6:01:43 UTC

I think the general theory is that any potential ET would try and contact us via radio frequency, since we've been spamming the cosmos with RF for over 125 years. Of course, that would mean they would need to be searching in the same spectrum as well...

I'm grateful that the SETI people developed BOINC to help bring the power of grid computing to other sciences, but I don't see it as particularly high-priority. Unless there's someone hanging out in our back yard that we haven't detected yet, a message from the nearest star system (Alpha Centauri) would take over four years to reach us. So, there probably wouldn't be much two-way communication until we master a means of communication that can travel faster than light. Until then, there are a lot of other problems that we need to take care of here on Earth until we make "first contact".
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Message 68045 - Posted: 28 Feb 2016, 23:25:44 UTC - in response to Message 68037.  

It's documented that Aliens can travel from point A to B without too much delay. It has been suggested they can [focus] "their technological engine" toward a point in space and "pull" themselves toward their destination, which can be many light years away, and arrive there almost instantaneously. If they wanted to communicate with us, they could simply put an outpost near mars and TX RX with no problem. I think Bob Lazar described such an engine.

For those of you who say Bob is a con artist, I have this to say. Assume his story is true. If he was killed shortly after his story, his death would be suspicious and it would give his story great credibility. Rather the government ignored him and his story is still in doubt. I think Bob is legit.

Lastly, I suspect that Aliens will pick and choose who they want to communicate with. I also believe that they have the technology to "block" any other outside transmissions to Earth they deem unfit. So therefore I tend to believe that SETI has good intentions, but I think it's a waste of CPU time. I have never heard fo anything significant come from SETI. Anybody can find patterns in random noise, publish a paper, and call it evidence.
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Message 68049 - Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 1:15:17 UTC

Anybody can find patterns in random noise, publish a paper, and call it evidence.


Well...

It's documented that Aliens can travel from point A to B without too much delay.


Anybody could document and publish whatever. There will always be some audience ready to receive that paranormal vision.

It has been suggested they can [focus] "their technological engine" toward a point in space and "pull" themselves toward their destination, which can be many light years away, and arrive there almost instantaneously. If they wanted to communicate with us, they could simply put an outpost near mars and TX RX with no problem. I think Bob Lazar described such an engine.


I think I would be able to describe many phenomenons that I might just imagine in my head. Those schematics or abilities of things might have nothing to do with scientific every-day facts of this reality we know today.
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Message 68053 - Posted: 29 Feb 2016, 16:47:52 UTC - in response to Message 68033.  
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SETI assumes that "intelligent" life communicates using the electromagnetic spectrum. SETI searches using radio telescopes to "listen" for narrow bandwidth radio transmissions. Do you really think that if humans are stuck in the electromagnetic medium (EM)... that every life form in the universe is also stuck in EM medium?

Have the people at SETI ever considered that other transmission mediums might also be used rather than EM?

So what medium do you think we should be monitoring?


Evidence exists that Aliens who have abducted or communicated with humans do so using telepathy

Claims by deluded people do not equal evidence.


To communicate long distances through space, there may be a "side-band" in the gravitation waves that allow transmission WE CANNOT DETECT.

I'm sorry but this shows a distinct lack of understanding of basic physics. A sideband is a result of modulating a carrier wave. If you can detect a carrier wave, you can always detect the sidebands.

This is aside from the preposterous notion that an ETI would have the technology to manipulate gravitational waves and choose that instead of just popping over for a cup of tea.


Anybody can find patterns in random noise, publish a paper, and call it evidence.

Which will then be destroyed by any half-competent amateur reviewer with basic maths and physics knowledge, possibly armed with just a dictionary. Bear in mind that reputable journals use extremely competent professionals with multiple advanced degrees in the subject.


It's documented that Aliens can travel from point A to B without too much delay

Take the tin foil hat off and read a book on physics. Try something by Michio Kaku or Brian Cox. If it gets to the point that you start to think it's all a cover-up or a conspiracy to hide "the truth", try something more appropriate for your comprehension level. I suggest The Cat in the Hat, Postman Pat or Bob the Builder.

btw, I can travel from point A to Point B without too much delay so long as my wife is ready on time.
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Message 68080 - Posted: 2 Mar 2016, 2:48:23 UTC - in response to Message 68050.  

Dissension bothers you? I thought my comments were to invoke other path or ides-- free speech. Just because you do not like my opinion does not mean I am being a trouble maker. You sound like a typical arrogant PhD that if you are countered, you take it personally.

I still think and believe SETI is searching the wrong medium and I simply suggested a different medium.
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Message 68081 - Posted: 2 Mar 2016, 2:57:30 UTC - in response to Message 68053.  

Read a physics book? Have you ever considered that maybe we don't know all the laws of physics? Humans with PhD's think they know everything and when they don't --- they simply create a new Constant to get their idea to float.

The Ocean is full of untapped life forms we have never seen and presently they are discovering new creatures.

I suspect we don't know all the laws of physics and maybe there are other laws in the universe Aliens know that we don't. I think my comments are valid and they should be considered with an open mind.

I think SETI has good intentions but I seriously think SETI is looking in the wrong place. I think Aliens can purposely hid their communication from us.

But there is the notion that there are other races like us still using EM medium to communicate and maybe SETI is looking for races on other planets like us, and not super intelligent Aliens.

Regarding the tin hat or foil hat. That is a low blow.
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Message 68083 - Posted: 2 Mar 2016, 5:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 68081.  

kgbets, I agree. Can we not think outside the square. For those who prophesies to read a book about physics etc can you guarantee that the words, theory expressed in those books are the truth and nothing but the truth? After all it is the word of the author. But, perhaps you can from our current understanding for it is Scientifically proven fact. Can you guarantee to me that the words in the Koran or the Bible are the written words of GOD or is it just a human interpretation that we as humans hope to believe? We can only hope in our believes and Scientific Proof is our only agreed method to say it is a fact. What if that fact is floored for we have not discovered a more plausible explanation? Should we not keep searching?
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Message 68084 - Posted: 2 Mar 2016, 12:50:11 UTC - in response to Message 68080.  

Dissension bothers you? I thought my comments were to invoke other path or ides-- free speech. Just because you do not like my opinion does not mean I am being a trouble maker. You sound like a typical arrogant PhD that if you are countered, you take it personally.


Dissension is fine, when it comes with reasoned argument and not just flapping arms and wailing.

Your entire flap-wail has no substance and you don't like it when that's pointed out. You're claiming that SETI has it wrong but you can't give any scientific basis or analysis to support your nonsense.

Your entire position is akin to someone claiming that Hollywood has it all wrong because they aren't using all the colours and there might be new colours out there just waiting to be discovered. You also claim Hollywood is arrogant and demean their academic qualifications as worthless but you have neither the wit nor wisdom to extend their knowledge - you just want to flap and wail. When asked what these new colours are or where they can be found, you just repeat your baseless assertion that the experts have it wrong.

If anyone is arrogant, it's you. You think you're smarter than the real scientists because you discovered a few interesting words which you wield with no true understanding. You've done no study on the subject. It's so much easier to criticise than contribute. You scoff at the suggestion that you get some education, no doubt because you reject "modern science". That's arrogant.

I still think and believe SETI is searching the wrong medium and I simply suggested a different medium.


No, you didn't and we're still waiting for you to name that medium. Go on, where else should they be searching?
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Message 68090 - Posted: 2 Mar 2016, 21:50:55 UTC

Even if the basis for SETI is completely wrong, it would need to be shown to be wrong, probably by research into a different area which turns up obvious communication in the other medium.

Until such time, it doesn't matter how many ideas for a different method of communication people can think of, there's no need to stop running SETI.

And perhaps SETI is onto to something, and this being called kgets is an alien who is trying to put people off track.
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Message 68094 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 2:03:38 UTC - in response to Message 68084.  

In Summation: Apparently you take my words in the wrong tone. I promise you I'm not being arrogant. I cannot name the communication medium that SETI should be using. I say... there might be a different communication medium "we humans" do not know because we are not that advanced. I think SETI is in EM medium, whilst the "Aliens" are in a different medium. I seriously mean no harm or aggravation.

Next, you don't know my degree nor the field within which I work. I can promise you that I graduated from an Accredited University with at least a Bachelor Of Science. I will not state any higher education... I'm not here to brag, put down, or isolate.

We have advanced very far in the last 50 years. I suspect we are elementary students in a universe with Aliens far past PhD's --- if the analogy makes sense.
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Message 68095 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 2:14:24 UTC - in response to Message 68090.  

You make me sound like a government agent trying infiltrate the SETI clan... and I am here to destroy you. (maniacal laugh insert here).

The arrogance of the human race! PhD's on TV waving their arms and University Professors lecturing their finding's.

You were not born with all knowledge... as humans you have to "learn it" and suffer everyday knowing --- YOU DON'T KNOW IT ALL. Even the information you publish in "accepted journals" as the permanent fact... is temporary because someone can come along and still prove you wrong.
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Message 68097 - Posted: 3 Mar 2016, 4:15:52 UTC - in response to Message 68081.  

I think Aliens can purposely hid their communication from us.
For what purpose would they hide such communication, and what would we gain by "finding" someone who doesn't want to talk to us? While it might be nice just to know whether there's someone else out there, the better effect for Earth and humanity would be to learn from another world's mistakes and discoveries.

I think SETI is in EM medium, whilst the "Aliens" are in a different medium
The electromagnetic spectrum covers a lot of ground, SETI is only looking at Radio Frequency signals, and only a small portion of those, I believe mostly UHF.
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Message 68114 - Posted: 4 Mar 2016, 7:12:51 UTC - in response to Message 68095.  

You make me sound like a government agent trying infiltrate the SETI clan... and I am here to destroy you. (maniacal laugh insert here).

The arrogance of the human race! PhD's on TV waving their arms and University Professors lecturing their finding's.

You were not born with all knowledge... as humans you have to "learn it" and suffer everyday knowing --- YOU DON'T KNOW IT ALL. Even the information you publish in "accepted journals" as the permanent fact... is temporary because someone can come along and still prove you wrong.


I'm not "born with all the knowledge". Every day I learn something new--it's called growing.

It sounds like you're implying you know better then anyone here. Please pick some information that Dr Korpela or other respected Seti staff has published and go at it.
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Message 68119 - Posted: 4 Mar 2016, 12:05:45 UTC - in response to Message 68114.  
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"I think Aliens can purposely hid their communication from us."

It's either can purposely 'hide', or [they] purposely 'hid' their communication and no longer do? How would kgets know? (loved the movie K-Pax). The question is, when first they "started" communicating, would they have thought of hiding from any other being in the universe?

(And still I think we are, as a Sapiens Sapiens being, alone in the cosmos)

BTW, would it not be appropriate to move this thread to the Lounge, where there are 2 other SETI threads already?
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Message 68231 - Posted: 11 Mar 2016, 15:49:23 UTC

Please keep it all business, there's no need to flame to and fro.
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Message 68236 - Posted: 12 Mar 2016, 2:45:02 UTC - in response to Message 68114.  

==> It sounds like you're implying you know better then {than} anyone here. Please pick some information that Dr Korpela or other respected Seti staff has published and go at it.

You're implying that "I'm implying". All I did was suggest other communication medium, other ideas -- I DID NOT SAY ANYONE WAS WRONG. Check the threads and you cannot find where I said anyone was wrong. For that you say I know better than anyone else?

Your responses indicate that you are offended that some perceived lay person DARE suggest other options to the PhD's that do research. You sound very frustrated and cannot take debate very well. I think anyone who counters a researcher findings... that researcher becomes offended because their expertise is now placed in doubt.
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Message 68247 - Posted: 12 Mar 2016, 14:16:35 UTC - in response to Message 68236.  

You're implying that "I'm implying". All I did was suggest other communication medium, other ideas -- I DID NOT SAY ANYONE WAS WRONG. Check the threads and you cannot find where I said anyone was wrong. For that you say I know better than anyone else?

Your responses indicate that you are offended that some perceived lay person DARE suggest other options to the PhD's that do research. You sound very frustrated and cannot take debate very well. I think anyone who counters a researcher findings... that researcher becomes offended because their expertise is now placed in doubt.


I am not a scientist nor am I offended. I honestly saw your post as challenging the scientists here and I would like to see you pick a point and provide an opposing view. If I read it wrong, apologies are offered
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