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Message 65482 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 15:26:25 UTC

Hello everybody!
Recently started to fall off projects on servers that are in the domain. The main problem of the lack of the necessary SSL certificates. Some projects do not want to work with the old version of the client.
Whether planned some alternative to an older version of the client? Unfortunately powerful machine is unable to continue to assist the society :-(
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Message 65485 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 16:54:02 UTC
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Also, in theory it should be possible to now run the BOINC 7.6 clients on DCs, as long as you are not installing as a service. In the past the installer would make BOINC limited user accounts for the client to run with whether you installed as a user installation or as a service installation.

Since some time now these limited user accounts only get installed when BOINC is installed as a service, no longer on user installations. Since the limited user accounts were the problem for DCs that run with a global user account, you can try to install the new client and see if that works. We'd like to get feedback on that from anyone testing.

The check from the installer if it is being installed on a DC was removed since BOINC 7.6.1
I have changed the Release Notes to now show that DCs are compatible again.
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Message 65486 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 17:11:57 UTC - in response to Message 65484.  

See if the following post from WCG helpshttps://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,38551_offset,0#505472
Very interesting solution. I'll try this option. It is a pity that only applies to WCG.
Thank's for advice.
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Message 65487 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 17:20:05 UTC - in response to Message 65485.  

Also, in theory it should be possible to now run the BOINC 7.6 clients on DCs, as long as you are not installing as a service. In the past the installer would make BOINC limited user accounts for the client to run with whether you installed as a user installation or as a service installation.

Since some time now these limited user accounts only get installed when BOINC is installed as a service, no longer on user installations. Since the limited user accounts were the problem for DCs that run with a global user account, you can try to install the new client and see if that works. We'd like to get feedback on that from anyone testing.

The check from the installer if it is being installed on a DC was removed since BOINC 7.6.1
I have changed the Release Notes to now show that DCs are compatible again.
I will try your option if it works & feedback to you. Always install the client as a service (not to keep permanently open terminal). Any chance to organize the cranching on the server it is possible luck. Thank you for your detailed explanation, it is time to check in.
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Message 65488 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 18:56:25 UTC - in response to Message 65485.  

My feedback. YES!
This working tip, I was lucky today. Due update went compatibility problem with SSL certificates, earned not working projects. During the update changed the directory path to Data, suffered the existing settings and non-completion estimates, starting without my help. Respect intelligent people have been looking for the answer to this question and here at last!

Windows 2003 Small Busines Server (DC only)
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18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.9 for windows_intelx86
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.39.0 OpenSSL/1.0.2a zlib/1.2.8
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Data directory: F:\Boinc
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | 
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | No usable GPUs found
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Host name: gateway
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6600  @ 2.40GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 nx lm vmx tm2 pbe
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | OS: Microsoft Windows Server 2003: Standard Server x86 Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.02.3790.00)
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 3.85 GB virtual
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Disk: 298.08 GB total, 190.68 GB free
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Local time is UTC +2 hours
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Config: simulate 2 CPUs
18.11.2015 19:33:00 |  | Version change (5.10.45 -> 7.6.9)

Windows 2008 Standard (x64) DC
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18.11.2015 19:50:04 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.9 for windows_x86_64
18.11.2015 19:50:08 |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
18.11.2015 19:50:08 |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.39.0 OpenSSL/1.0.2a zlib/1.2.8
18.11.2015 19:50:08 |  | Data directory: D:\Boinc
18.11.2015 19:50:08 |  | 
18.11.2015 19:50:08 |  | No usable GPUs found
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Host name: BETA
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel       Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9]
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase smep
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | OS: Microsoft Windows Server 2008 "R2": Standard x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Memory: 7.95 GB physical, 15.91 GB virtual
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Disk: 368.10 GB total, 358.75 GB free
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Local time is UTC +2 hours
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Config: simulate 8 CPUs
18.11.2015 19:50:09 |  | Version change (5.10.45 -> 7.6.9)

Windows 2008 Standard (x64) DC
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18.11.2015 20:29:50 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.9 for windows_x86_64
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.39.0 OpenSSL/1.0.2a zlib/1.2.8
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Data directory: D:\Boinc
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | 
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | No usable GPUs found
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Host name: ALFA
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel       Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz [Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9]
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx vmx smx tm2 pbe fsgsbase smep
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | OS: Microsoft Windows Server 2008 "R2": Standard x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Memory: 7.95 GB physical, 15.91 GB virtual
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Disk: 368.10 GB total, 358.03 GB free
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Local time is UTC +2 hours
18.11.2015 20:29:51 |  | Config: simulate 8 CPUs
18.11.2015 20:29:52 |  | Version change (5.10.45 -> 7.6.9)
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Message 65489 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 22:21:44 UTC - in response to Message 65488.  

Great! Thanks for the report back.
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Message 65490 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 22:36:59 UTC

Do check that BOINC continues to work on tasks when no user is logged in to the console - as I presume will normally be the case for a DC.
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Message 65491 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 22:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 65490.  

It shouldn't do that as it's installed with the user installation. Only the service installation allows work to continue when no one is logged in, but that cannot be used on a DC due to the BOINC limited user accounts being installed then.
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Message 65492 - Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 23:45:51 UTC - in response to Message 65491.  

Which is basically useless. I'd expect a DC to run 95% plus of the time with no user logged in, so why bother installing a BOINC which doesn't run in that scenario?

Actually, I suspect it might go on running CPU tasks, provided the exit option "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager" is not checked. GPU tasks will stop running, of course, but that's not likely to be a problem on a DC.

Volodymyr, could you check that theory, please? And if I'm wrong, maybe 'Locking' the console will allow BOINC to run, even if logging out doesn't - provided your company's security policy allows that.
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Message 65495 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 9:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 65492.  

When installed as user, the boinc.exe process shows as owned by that user. Sign-out and be gone [a complaint heard, whence the proposing to install as service]. Short for: highly surprised if the daemon would continue.
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Message 65496 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 10:25:55 UTC - in response to Message 65495.  

Confirmed both hypotheses - not with a DC, but with two Windows 7 machines, one remotely monitoring the other.

Locking the console allows BOINC to continue, logging off kills it.

Windows Servers 2003 onwards have a very aggressive 'lock' policy, perhaps precisely because administrators are so lazy about logging off when they should. Maybe some work will get done after all, but it's a crappy solution: servers and service mode were made for each other.
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Message 65497 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 11:12:08 UTC - in response to Message 65496.  

I just wrote an email about that to David and Rom, let's see if they want things changed or not.
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Message 65503 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 14:04:55 UTC - in response to Message 65497.  

Found the reference - #629
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