Posts by Saenger
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13492)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by  Saenger
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I even found some more information there in the change log: It would be nice if teams were actually BOINC-wide.
6 How do we deal with the situation where the same team name exists
7 on different projects with different owners?
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9 * Should teams be BOINC-wide rather than project specific?
10 * If so, how to resolve current inconsistencies?
11 * Should people be able to belong to different teams on different projects?
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13 Conclusion (implemented as of 25 July 2007):
14 * Create a [http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/ web site for registering BOINC-wide teams].
15 * In case of dispute over a name, the oldest instance of the team on an existing project wins.
16 * Write an "export" script to export the list of teams and founders as XML. Include "previous founder" field.
17 * Write an "update" script that downloads these files.
For each team: if it doesn't exist, create it, and create user account.
If founder in DB is previous founder in XML, change founder. Update other team fields (URL etc.).
18 * Newly-created projects to use the update script (e.g. put in config.xml).
19 * Resolve current inconsistencies manually; I will encourage project admins to help. It was deleted from the page by: Author: All real changes up to today were made by davea, so it's not really a discussion but a monologue. Edith says: I've looked in the dev_list at about that time, I didn't find any hint about it in the logs. I think it was never ever properly discussed, just implemented like some few users wanted it. |
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13487)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Saenger
Post: From the dubious Google-group, probably by David Anderson, as long as it's not here or in the trac I can't say for sure: I'm preparing to add a "team admin" feature. What is this dubious group about? It's not a proper place for discussions. It's now readable without surrendering your privacy to the "Datenkrake" Google, but it's definitely no proper place for discussions about BOINC. There is this official forum to talk about such stuff or the dev-list, full stop. Everything else is just BS. How should this be implemented? Will it be possible to join teams on the BOINC-wide team page in the future? Can a founder transfer be made then? Will there be an option to keep different descriptions for different projects? How will multi-founder teams have to use this feature? |
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13419)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Saenger
Post: Edith says: My ticket was closed by davea with the ridiculous remark about some dubious google group. WTF has this data mining company to do with this project? Google is no serious provider, they are just an information sucker without any sense of privacy. Ain't this or the different mailing lists and project fora the only valid discussion places? Using google devaluates the merit of this enterprise quite considerably. If this was discussed in this shady back room on google, I have no doubt that no good could have come out of that. |
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13414)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Saenger
Post: I've asked for a transparent team description option, or an option to check/uncheck if you want the description to propagate to other projects. Who decided that this boring uniformity had to be the only option? And why were the founders not asked about this, as Chris was most definitely not? This is another fine example of a "feature" hastily implemented, not really thought through, but thrust on the unprepared public before testing and debugging. Fortunately most projects haven't yet implemented this piece of crap in the server code. Edith says: I think I'll open a new ticket about this bug. |
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13411)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Saenger
Post: Oh yeah, and the default founder no longer exists, as is the case for my own team. How he got set up as the default team founder is a mystery to me and my team. I am guessing the default teams were simply copied from SETI, where he is also founder. Same here, fortunately he changed his email address to the one of our former homepage admin (who isn't in this position any longer, but still has contact to the current admins). I don't think Chris has voluntarily set up this team here, it was just copied and pasted from Seti without asking the founders about this. |
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13406)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Saenger
Post: So there is no use for this "feature" for the second bigest team in BOINC, SETI.Germany. To keep the same founder address may be usable, even for bigger teams, if some fake account is used to which more than one member have access, but the team description has to be project individual, not some boring, nonsensical, blah-blah without specialities for this project. We have 28 founders on the BOINC projects, and we have a different description on all projects, with a standard part and some custom part in it. This has to stay this way, diversity is better than uniformity. If this "feature" will one day mess with our teams presentation, I think we will get unpleasant. Who led this half-baked "feature" lose on the public? |
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13398)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Saenger
Post: Anyone of the developers with an answer to my question? How is this BOINC-wide teams list supposed to work with multi-founder teams? And what is suposed to happen with customised team descriptions for each project? I fail to see a click box "Do update team profile on existing teams yes/no" |
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Question to BOINC-wide Teams
(Message 13351)
Posted 28 Oct 2007 by Saenger
Post: A 'BOINC-wide team' is one that teams that exist on all BOINC projects, present and future, with an identical name and founder email address. Our team has many founders, and I think that's fine. A founder should be someone who really crunches for the project, not just someone who has some whatever position in a team. The above quoted lines suggest that the future dealing should be something centralist, with one head honcho and a lot of servants, that's not my idea of a good management. We are considering a central mail address atm, something more than just one person has access to, but imho it will still be just the starter, afterwards the founder will probably go to someone personal, who crunches in this project and is responsible for keeping the team description up to date. BTW, team description is of course something else in all projects, not some prefab airy-fairy one-size-fits-all. That's may be a good starter for new projects, until you have the time to customise it, but not for updating it once in a while. It should be different on all projects. So, on one hand it seems like a fine idea to have the name SETI.Germany kind of copyrighted in new projects from the beginning, but any update should just be a voluntarily option, something to suppress for teams that don't want such a uniformity, that are a bit more diverse. How is this handled? How are teams with diverse founders, that want to stay so, handled with the described updates? |
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Team autofounding on new projects is a bug, not a feature
(Message 12523)
Posted 16 Sep 2007 by Saenger
Post: I just created an account for this new bug..eeehhh...feature, and could have created any team that's not already in there (and only 40 are in there currently). I tried BOINC@Heidelberg, because I know some of them and they have some ATAs, I probably would have succeeded if I had saved it, of course I didn't do it, I won't do such things, but as anyone can found any team here, where is the better security for the teams and their names? |
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Team autofounding on new projects is a bug, not a feature
(Message 12516)
Posted 15 Sep 2007 by Saenger
Post: I just learned, that the email addresses of the founders are accessible for everyone, in a nearly unprotected xml. Imho this list has to be deleted asap. This is a serious breach of confidentiality. Who had the stupid idea to publicise a list of valid email addresses? I can't imagine how this can even be contemplated, let alone be implemented, it's so far off any serious behaviour. |
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Team autofounding on new projects is a bug, not a feature
(Message 12514)
Posted 15 Sep 2007 by Saenger
Post: I do not think this is a useless feature. The problem is not revealing the project to the founders but revealing the confidential data of the founders (email address) to random project founders, i.e. possible spammers. The email address of the founders must never be shared with some random project admins, that's a major break of security. And as this is impossible, the founder has no chance to contact his new account, not even to delete it. |
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Team autofounding on new projects is a bug, not a feature
(Message 12512)
Posted 15 Sep 2007 by Saenger
Post: The new TeamImport "feature" is a bug, as it creates accounts for founders in new projects, without any access for those founders to their accounts, the team info is unchangable for at least 2 month, if any of the new participants hits the founder transfer button, otherwise even longer, 2 month from the time a change is warranted. There is no possibility to get the email address of the founder to the new project without a major break of data protection. So the "founder" in the teams, that are autocreated in new projects are not able to do anything, they can't even use the management functions themself. This feature has to abolished, as it's not possible to implement without even minor data protection. BOINCtrac ticket Thread in NQueens Thread in BOINCstats |
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Pharma Spammers target (at least) beta projects
(Message 12402)
Posted 10 Sep 2007 by Saenger
Post: CPDNbeta and uncwdds ahve been hit by pharma spammers, that try to exploit the UotD for their evil trade. I dunno if any of the productive projects are targeted as well, I think so but I havn't had the time to look it up. Is there a simple way to prevent this? Is it something to tell the police? How to deal with it? |
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Problems with HTML and BBCode in some new projects
(Message 11380)
Posted 29 Jun 2007 by Saenger
Post: I recently had some problems in some of the new projects to create my team profile in the right formatted way. All codes were just shown as codes and not translated in the supposed items. There are allready threads in the project fora about this, but for me it looks like a pattern, so I post it here. I won't open a ticket in trac until I have more info about it, but this seems to be the right place to get more information. Threads in other fora: Cosmology BRaTS APS |
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GridRepublic versus BOINCStats (BAM!)
(Message 11379)
Posted 29 Jun 2007 by Saenger
Post: I think the main difference is the target crunchers: Grid Republic was planned to attract new crunchers to BOINC, so it should be quite easy to use and support mainly productive projects. I've nerver really used it, but what I saw as I created an account there some month ago it fits this target quite well. BAM! was created for the users of BOINCstats, most of them already crunchers if not members of ATA (Alpha Testers Anonymous), so it's purpose was more to cater them with as ful as possible services, not so much to attract newbies through it. |
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New forum feature may be used for spamming
(Message 10784)
Posted 8 Jun 2007 by Saenger
Post: I'm in a discussion with one of the spammers on his boards (mainly via pm ;), and as usual the spammers don't even think their messages are spam. A clear example is been cited by a victim of the spam @malaria: It was even sent to a participant already in another team. I don't think that Misfit is the only one who misused the system 'til now, he's only the one whose deeds became public. Imho there should be some measures taken against such spammers, like pm-ban for some weeks/month. Spammers must be named and shamed and punished. |
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New forum feature may be used for spamming
(Message 10722)
Posted 6 Jun 2007 by Saenger
Post: Well if they dropped the email notification, and implemented the red x and ignore features (as is on the normal forum) then the pm system would be just another forum - except just for you. Nobody would force you to read them or do they pop-up and require action when you log into your account page?That would be just ridiculous if there would be a pop-up, fortunately that was not implemented. It would be a step in the right direction, but imho not enough, to drop the emails. And again: it's not a forum, with open posts, it's an internal email system, that's two distinct things. Any of the existing projects that use other forum software (like phpBB) have already had these pm's and when you join those projects you are not specifically advised that this feature exists, nor are you asked if you want to opt-in. Of course you are, you have to register especially for this external forum, it's not done with your account creation for the scientific project. You join a phpBB forum, so you know it includes pm. You join a scientific project for crunching, nobody expects an internal email system. |
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Why I may be leaving BOINC
(Message 10700)
Posted 5 Jun 2007 by Saenger
Post: Can you provide a link? |
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New forum feature may be used for spamming
(Message 10682)
Posted 5 Jun 2007 by Saenger
Post: Are the pm's also sent as email or do they just reside on the individual project inbox? An email is send to inform you about new pms, at least that's what happened to me the one time I recieved one. I think there has to made a very big distinction between the forum and private messages, that's nothing comparable. It's only obviously in the same coding area. A forum I can read or ignore. If I ignore it, I will not be bothered with anything in my account. A pm is something where some stranger can send me messages to my account, independent of my forum settings. It's a kind of internal mail system, very distinct from the forum. I so far can't opt out of this mailing system, I never subscribed to an internal mailing system, it was forced on me without my consent. If I want to crunch, look in my account about my progress, but don't want to be bothered by fellow participants, I have no option to do so. This is not about the abuse or threats or any such things, it's about wanting to be contacted at all by other participants. If I don't want to, noboby has to be able. And the assumption has to that no contact is wanted as a premise, that's what privacy dictates. I can opt in to be contactable by other participants (and I, Saenger, probably will do so), but as a rule it should be privacy first. |
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New forum feature may be used for spamming
(Message 10679)
Posted 5 Jun 2007 by Saenger
Post: On this topic, each project has a team recruitment thread or forum. Isn't that sufficient? It is, you can as well make a very fine homepage for your team (and BS has one), hang out posters in the streets or whatever. What if every team is going to do it? Would it then be considered bad? Good questions, I think most would even consider the forst commercial pm as spam, I don't see that big difference between commercial and non-commercial spam. Spam is spam and a spammer is a spammer. (although Rytis is thinking of implementing measures against over-using the PM system. The numbers you see there aren't concrete yet.) It's a nice measurement, but irrelevant for the problem of the first unsolicited spam. |
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