Posts by Saenger

61) Message boards : The Lounge : Testing Stuff (Message 13790)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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This quote manually inserted:
Editing the URL. Click reply, change the number after post= on the address bar to some random number.


Grrrrrrrrrrrr (database is being slow...)


I can't remember if we asked before (and the forums are too touchy to actually search) if you're using a password on resume.

And remind us what OS.


It works this way, is it a possibility to resurrect modded posts? *evil grin*

Edith says:
And some Umlauts as well:

���h, ich h�tte mal 'ne sch�ne Frage: W�rde das so reichen?
62) Message boards : Web interfaces : More Questions to BOINC wide teams (Message 13789)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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David has posted in this dubious Google group:
The email list for team founders is neither shady nor a back room:
http://groups.google.com/group/boinc-team-founders

If there are some missing features in the BOINC-wide team sites,
please say what they are and why, in a calm and even tone.

-- David


Why should anyone go to Google if this forum is just fine?
Why should anything about BOINC not be discussed on the proper BOINC servers?

I see not a single reason for going to some strange mailing systems, especially not anywhere where the main purpose of the owner is to grab as much information to build cashable profiles of the "users" like Google. Google is the very opposite of privacy, it even searches the intimate mails from the "users" for words to make cash with.
63) Message boards : Web interfaces : More Questions to BOINC wide teams (Message 13780)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Situation:
I've founded a team for testing on that page, changed my email to some fake address, changed my name as well, it's just for testing, afaik it was never exported to any new project. I left this team, and now I'm still the founder, but have no access to it. I have no access to any team management pages any more, so I can't give the founder status to someone else. I can't even join my team back to change something. There is a "Change team founder" option in my account, but I get this message if I click it:
"There are no users to transfer team to."

I have just created another one with this account, here I have the management functions. Of course I can't change the founder as well, as nobody else is in it, but nobody has a chance to join to become founder.

I've made another account for myself wih my real data and tried to join my real team as well, joining a team is not implemented there, it's founder only, and only as long as s/he doesn't leave the team.

So:
Joining a team is impossible.
Leaving a team well.
Giving the founder status to anybody else is impossible.

Changing the founder to someone else has to be possible.
Leaving teams inaccessible should not be possible (or only if you loose the account data, and they are retrievable via the "Forgot password" function).

Here are my questions:

How is founder change supposed to work?
How are headless teams dealt with?
What teams are exported to the projects taking place in this scheme (mine are not up to now, but that's fine)?

BTW:
If any of the admins of that BOINC wide team list decides to delete this futile teams, feel free to do so, but please say it here in this thread that you've done so. The main problem with this feature is it's non-discussion in any proper place.
64) Message boards : Server programs : New forum feature may be used for spamming (Message 13765)
Posted 11 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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David even wrote in the boinc_project list some encouragement for team advertisment spammers (bold by me):
I added a "user search" feature (html/user/user_search.php).
This is of critical importance for teams - e.g.,
it lets Team Ireland easily see what users from Ireland have
joined your project in the last few days
.

This is intended to be linked from your front page.
(see, e.g. the SETI at home home page).

I recommend that all projects upgrade to this code,
and add a link from your home page.

-- David
-----------------------------
David 5 Nov 2007
- user web: add a general-purpose user search mechanism.
This lets you lookup up users sorted by
- descending join time
- descending total credit, or
- descending RAC
and lets you filter them by
- country
- presence/absence of team
- presence/absence of profile
It's implemented in such a way that no more than N
DB rows are examined
(i.e. it doesn't necessarily show you all the results)

All irish teams should pm the new irish users via pm, and to have this quite handy, they can search for this easily. Same for german teams of course, and I know of at least a dozend bigger ones from germany, more than 4000 in total. all should pm the poor users with team adverts if it's going Davids way, ridiculous!

So if this team advertising spam should be something good in his opinion, he's got a very disturbed mindset imho.
65) Message boards : Server programs : Problems with unclassified teams @Milkyway (Message 13744)
Posted 10 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Hello,

I'm not puter wizz, so I don't have the faintest idea what's going wrong @Milkyway, but if you look in this thread:

http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=39#322

you'll see that there is some problem on the server, and the admins don't know how to deal with it.

Anyone here with more knowledge to help them?
66) Message boards : Web interfaces : Person requesting Founder Transfer leaves team (Message 13681)
Posted 9 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
Post:
Fix checked into SVN.


We have the same problem for SETI.Germany. Someone called Timo has requested the team founder change, our admin only gets this answers:

Team member Timo requested this team's foundership on 7 Nov 2007, but left the team, thus canceling the request. To assign foundership of this team to another member, check the box next to member name and click Change founder below.

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 49 bytes) in /disks/setifiler1/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/db_conn.inc on line 64


In my account the "initiate transfer" has changed to "deferred", I've tried a founder transfer request nevertheless for testing (after this mail) and get this answer:

Founder change has already been requested by Timo on 7 Nov 2007.


I think something fishy is still happening, Timo is still on the Team if I believe his account page, how comes the mail said he's no longer on the team?

BTW: I think the "initiate transfer" button is far too prominent and easy to click, why should it be on every team stats page at all? If someone want's a transfer, s/he can go a bit longer ways to reach this goal, and people who just clicked there to look what it's good for won't bother the founders.

67) Message boards : Web interfaces : Question to BOINC-wide Teams (Message 13670)
Posted 8 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
Post:
David Anderson was active again without using the proper means of communication but the shady back room. He has changed the team founder possibilities, and implemented this already on Seti, SetiBeta and BOINC Alpha:

Team founders can nominate Admins, who can change team description and such. They have access to the email addresses of the team members as well (something the users were not aware of while signing to the team, imho a breach of privacy).
68) Message boards : Server programs : New forum feature may be used for spamming (Message 13646)
Posted 7 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Does a post filter on the Misfits not double as a PM blocker? Would be my 'foreign' logic in how to configure.

No.
This is about spamming teamless crunchers, how should they know whom to set on ignore before they even knew that there is such a thing as pm?
This should mean set everybody on ignore by default and have to unignore everbody to read his/her posts in the fora, that's a bit overdone imho. It should be OK to just have an option for pm, that's set by default to "no".

I agree with Ananas that there may be some exemptions possible, for teams without a board who use the project fora as a communication tool, and for replies as well. But by default it should be: better a bit strict and not 100% convenient than spammer friendly.
69) Message boards : Server programs : New forum feature may be used for spamming (Message 13632)
Posted 7 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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My suggestions for the pm system:

1) make pm something to opt-in, it has no immediate connection to the scientific project you join with creating an account, it's something different, a social network component. It should be opted in separately and voluntarily.

2) Ban known spammers from the boards and the pm-system

3) Restrict the pm per account to something like 5-10 per day (and that's recipients, 1 mail to 5 users counts as 5 mails)

4) make it clear in the forum rules that any advertisement via pm is considered spam and will be "rewarded" accordingly
70) Message boards : Server programs : New forum feature may be used for spamming (Message 13622)
Posted 6 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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It's getting worse, now the devs even decided to put a spammer friendly search function on the boards (at least @Seti). Now team advert spammers can easily search for teamless crunchers with some other criteria included, this is ridiculous.

It's been made public in some pseudo secret shady back room in Google by David Anderson, and it will be a perfect wet dream for Misfit and other spammers.
71) Message boards : Web interfaces : Threads (Message 13563)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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... We also put the "post to thread" (not marked "reply") right next to the "reply to *this* post" link, to encourage people to choose wisely between the two. ...


Maybe another trick would be to rename the "Post to thread" button and use "Create new branch" instead, which would make the effect clearer.

Wouldn't make it clearer for me (or any web user), would only confuse me, as here are no branches anywhere to see.
72) Message boards : Web interfaces : BOINC dev Forum broken (Message 13525)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Since GMail added IMAP support I'm using less my web browser, and everything loads much faster than with the GMail web interface (and *instantly* after the first time). If forums had newsgroup access, I'd use my browser even less.

Have you tried Yahoo Mail new interface? It reminds me of 33MHz computers. Well no, mail programs ran *faster* on 33MHz than new webmails do on 3.0GHz. And even if it works at an acceptable speed, each CPU second wasted by bloated web interfaces is one less CPU second that BOINC could use.

I rarely use webmailers at all, that's what I've got the thunderbird for: empty my pop3 (or imap) inboxes.

Why should I use any of these pages (especially Gmail, what is google and therefore without privacy)?

Edith says:
We're drifting quite far OT now, if a mod will delete this I will not complain ;)
73) Message boards : Web interfaces : BOINC dev Forum broken (Message 13523)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Where will the threaded option be if it's not on the web?

http://imagebin.org/11475
Actual screenshot, not edited.

Why should I use the thunderbird instead of the normal firefox while browsing on the web like here?
74) Message boards : BOINC Manager : My Wish List - 2 (Message 13520)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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My wish list ( as short as it may be ) is to have a centralized location of all Boinc projects on one page with clickable hyperlinks and maybe a brief description of each beside, so as to have the ability to pick and choose which one you want to run, also have ( maybe on same page) the Boinc projects that have the intent of joining up with Boinc.


Something like this:
Unofficial Wiki
Rebirthers List

or in german:
BOINC FAQ
SETI.Gemany Wiki
rechenkraft.net Wiki
75) Message boards : Web interfaces : Threads (Message 13519)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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But WTF is "trimming"?

Making it shorter.

Actually, the forum won't notice if you really made it shorter or not. It just deletes the contents of [TRIM_THIS_quote] tags. If a user actually reads the instructions saying to make it shorter, he would delete TRIM_THIS_ and the quote shows. Somebody who wants the full quote can just delete TRIM_THIS_ without doing any shortening. A newbie who just sticks his "me too" at the end of the huge quote wouldn't delete it.

That's not "making it shorter", that's complete deletion.
"Making it shorter" is the random or targeted deletion of parts of the message, with auto-trimming it can only be random or complete deletion, why bother to include it at all if it should not be in the message at all? Those with more experience will still be able to include a quote (like I usually do with the BBCodeXtra plugin for my FF), those not so savvy would not be tricked to think they will include a quote that's to be deleted once the message is sent.
76) Message boards : Web interfaces : Threads (Message 13517)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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But what does trimming a quote mean? Deleting part of it?
How could you quote a complete previous post?

I don't know how this auto-shortening will work, and whether the important parts will be deleted and how the software will know what's important (content detection?). Or is it just the scrolling stuff that's to be seen @Pirates?

There is no auto-shortening. If you don't shorten it manually and delete the TRIM_ prefix, the WHOLE quote gets removed.

But WTF is "trimming"?
77) Message boards : Web interfaces : BOINC dev Forum broken (Message 13513)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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All newsreaders let you choose "threaded mode" or just sort by date. And you can stay on the web-based forum if you want to.


Of course I use the ordinary web forum, as probably most participants will. Why bother with something else?

That's a bad idea anyway. Somebody who posted a question can just see the post that replied to it with the answer, instead of reading the whole thread to see the big post with lots of unrelated replies.

You don't have to use the threaded readers, but by replying questions of different posts in one answer you don't let others use them.


Posting lot's of answers instead of only one is spamming imho. I like to put my answers in one post, not lots of small snippets.

Click? There are keyboard shortcuts on all newsreaders I know; you navigate like on a list, press down to select the next post. And even then, the newsgroup will be an *extra* apart from the web-based forum interface. You don't have to use it.

Newsreaders? I'm on a web-forum, browsing it in the natural way via browser, FF in my case, how else? I don't want anything else as the usual web forum, and that has to be usable in a most convenient way.
78) Message boards : Web interfaces : Threads (Message 13512)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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And a big disadvantage of the tree shaped thread is that you can't really browse the thread as a whole, you have to click each and every post separately. That's far too inconvenient, I would not like to have this "feature" in this forum, imho it makes it less readable.

*Optional* feature. Don't like it, don't use it; but keep the tree structure (by not replying to the thread when you're answering a specific post) to let others use it.

I usually "reply to post" if I want to quote something, otherwise I reply to thread. If I want to answer to several posts in one answer, I usually take the next best for the initial reply and insert the second quote by hand. That may not be in the "right thread" in regard of tree structure, but that's nor my business.

But what does trimming a quote mean? Deleting part of it?
How could you quote a complete previous post?

I don't know how this auto-shortening will work, and whether the important parts will be deleted and how the software will know what's important (content detection?). Or is it just the scrolling stuff that's to be seen @Pirates?
79) Message boards : Web interfaces : Threads (Message 13508)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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Another advantage I just noticed while skimming some SETI threads: since it's separated in posts, you mark individual posts as read while you read them. On web forums (this one included), when you open a thread, all its posts get marked as read.


And a big disadvantage of the tree shaped thread is that you can't really browse the thread as a whole, you have to click each and every post separately. That's far too inconvenient, I would not like to have this "feature" in this forum, imho it makes it less readable.
80) Message boards : Web interfaces : BOINC dev Forum broken (Message 13507)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Saenger
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I thought we were trying to get rid of the generic "post to thread" in order to get to threaded readers.

I hope not. I hate the mess of non-linear threads, where you can't read in the imho proper timely order.

If threads are no longer sorted simply by entry, but by some assumed reply order, how can you answer questions of different posts in one answer?

It also becomes less readable imho, as you can't see all answers at once but have to click at all sub-threads to read them.

The current setup is better then the threaded mess imho.


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