December Solstice in London, England, United Kingdom is on
Tuesday, 22 December 2015, 04:49 GMT

The exact time and date of the December Solstice in 2015 is 4:45 UTC on Tuesday, December 22.

One is in London, the other in Greenwich.
Perhaps that it takes 4 minutes for the sun to go from Greenwich to the weather/meteorological observatory in London. :)

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I doubt it. Four minutes is one degree of longitude, and one degree is about fifty miles at these latitudes. I'm sure London to Greenwich was a lot less than that when I walked it in a morning, a couple of years ago.

Maybe there's something about GMT and UTC that we haven't been told?

By the way, tell everyone that they can come back. Loudmouth has a week vacation.

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It is a good time of the year to take time off.

Edit: and while i think of it, a good time to give thanks to the people (and their organizations) who contribute their time, effort and resources - without which this place and the science stuff associated, would not more than "404 - not found", so "thank you"

It is a good time of the year to take time off.

He didn't go willingly. :-)

Edit: and while i think of it, a good time to give thanks to the people (and their organizations) who contribute their time, effort and resources - without which this place and the science stuff associated, would not more than "404 - not found", so "thank you"

My organization thanks you back. {nods at guinea pig, rabbit, two cats and Arie the canary}

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Jord, If I may take this opportunity to wish you and your family a happy and prosperous Christmas and New Year ahead. :-)

Thank you Jord, for keeping the place clean so we all can read.

You are an excellent moderator, so very grateful we have you. :-)

Merry Christmas everyone, and a prosperous new year.

By the way, tell everyone that they can come back. Loudmouth has a week vacation.

It isn't the message. It isn't the frequency. It isn't the volume. It isn't the timing. It is the location that disrupts others trying to have their discussions. Or should I put it like this, one could expect raucous behavior at a sports bar with the championship game on the telly, one does not expect it at a backwater cafe where you bring your date or your business partner.

Merry Christmas Jord, oh and have you run short on tea?

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It should be no different on bulletin boards. It is a proven solution that if persistent offenders are given their own thread and are made to stick to it, then everyone else can easily sidestep it and enjoy their visit.

Ah yes. Back in the day of dial-up BBS's, a lot of us did that. It was called the "Twit Farm" on most systems:)
Tom Jennings had it right, back in the early days of Fidonet, when he made his key rules thus:

1) Thou shalt not be excessively annoying
2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed

No opinions expressed here by me as to which applies. Having watched only this thread, I have no context re Mark or the various Mods.

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oh and have you run short on tea?

Yes, yes, I was the other day. Renamed myself to Tealess for half a day to remind me to bring tea. It worked. :)

I'm moving over from my normal staple of ('zero') sodas to tea, because something is not right in the stomach/intestines. Despite the various doctor's prescribed *prazole meds, my stomach hurts like hell when I've eaten something, or just before breakfast (when all night there's been nothing in my stomach).

Also, despite the followed 'week soup/week normal' diet we've been following, I've gained weight. I don't eat as much as I did before, am low on fats and sugars, low on carbo-hydrates, lot of vegetables and proteins. Bake my meat (chicken and beef) mostly without added butter or oil (ceramic lined pans are really da bomb).

So I've had my blood drawn and tested last week, will get the outcome of that tomorrow. Also had an echo, but that showed no immediate problems. Hopefully whatever the outcome, it isn't another heliobacter infection. Can't have one of those again.

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By convention we don't discuss individual moderator actions/decisions on the forums

Which -at times- is sad, because of missing data and the curiosity of what might have been said, giving a reason why a post was hidden. Like one in the AVG thread in Seti NC, I had seen last night there was a new post, but hadn't gone into the thread as I was very tired. So this morning I come there and see that whatever it must've been was deemed too bad for my -or anyone's- eyes and hidden. Then the curiosity sits with me for an hour or so, wondering what it could've been. :)

No, that isn't anything I want any Seti moderator to post to me about, or PM me about. Seeing who I took on in that thread, I can guess who answered and what he said. And I guess we should call ourselves lucky he hasn't ventured over to here yet. :)

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What I still find most fun about that page is the line Additional information on moderation policy can be found here, with the link under "here" being the exact same as the page you're on. :)

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By convention we don't discuss individual moderator actions/decisions on the forums

Which -at times- is sad, because of missing data and the curiosity of what might have been said, giving a reason why a post was hidden.

No i disagree - moderators have to take the least bad action(s), and that includes protecting the poster from their own thoughtlessness at the time. The poster may find the right words and repost later, so data may yet arrive. **1

In a world of infinite resource, mods would redact identifying information from posts and and publish a summary in due course, so the rules themselves, and the number of complaints can be reviewed and discussed over time.

I was going to add to Jim's post

3. Don't feed (or bait) the trolls. They feed themselves.

**1 it is the season to be optimistic

Edit: to be clear (and i wasn't)- i'm disagreeing with it being "-at times-is sad" [for the public].

If mods have to remove a post, we should be happy that they taken an action. Sometimes moderators might get it wrong but giving the poster some time to reconsider out of the public eye is a good thing for all.

By convention we don't discuss individual moderator actions/decisions on the forums

Which -at times- is sad, because of missing data and the curiosity of what might have been said, giving a reason why a post was hidden. Like one in the AVG thread in Seti NC, I had seen last night there was a new post, but hadn't gone into the thread as I was very tired. So this morning I come there and see that whatever it must've been was deemed too bad for my -or anyone's- eyes and hidden. Then the curiosity sits with me for an hour or so, wondering what it could've been. :)

No, that isn't anything I want any Seti moderator to post to me about, or PM me about. Seeing who I took on in that thread, I can guess who answered and what he said. And I guess we should call ourselves lucky he hasn't ventured over to here yet. :)

Well my dear boy, if you had been subscribed to the thread you would have no curiosity on what things had been said. Of course you blood pressure might have gone high enough to bust an ulcer, TIA or stroke.

Now how about a ticket so that moderators can block miscreants ability to post to a thread on a per thread basis, or create new ones. Then we can have a twit's thread and they have their own walled playground. While you are at it, a ticket to set a maximum number of posts per hour. Now if the mods decide that it takes 10 bitcoins to be set loose ... :)

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Agentb wrote:

The poster may find the right words and repost later, so data may yet arrive.

I don't disagree with that, but it was just curiosity that then sticks up and makes me wonder.

However, in this case -as William can attest- when you post something against this person, even when sticking to the facts and to the contents of the thread, he feels like you're attacking him personally and that then legitimizes that he attacks you personally. Be it because he's dyslexic, or impatient, or in whatever foul mood of the day.

My good friend Captain Avatar was dyslexic as well, but he took so much care of his postings that you didn't see it. He also never made himself look like a victim because of his disability, something this character has gotten down to a tee.

I've had this character on ignore for a long time, but took everyone on my list off of ignore this summer, to see if they were still as bad etc. Most of the ignored aren't even on the forums anymore, just a handful of them are. Including this character.

So far only one person immediately made it back onto ignore, and that's because if you truly cannot post with punctuation you have no place in my field of vision. Want to go write continuous sentences in which you give help, ask for help or have an opinion? Go ahead, but I don't need to read that drivel.

But I may put this guy back in ignore as well. He won't repost in a friendly manner, he won't report using only facts. So then curiosity sticks at wondering how much he burned me down this time. Have percentage anyone? ;-)

Gary C. wrote:

Well my dear boy, if you had been subscribed to the thread you would have no curiosity on what things had been said. Of course you blood pressure might have gone high enough to bust an ulcer, TIA or stroke.

You're saying that thread subscriptions still send the contents of the post(s) made in the thread, not just that a new post has been made? I thought that was fixed a long time ago?
Or was it just fixed that it no longer showed those contents in Notifications?

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However, in this case -as William can attest- when you post something against this person, even when sticking to the facts and to the contents of the thread, he feels like you're attacking him personally ...

As you're the moderator who put him on vacation, it seems inappropriate to continue this, and a violation of the rules I was chastised by Chris for breaking.

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As you're the moderator who put him on vacation, it seems inappropriate to continue this, and a violation of the rules I was chastised by Chris for breaking.

I haven't been a moderator at Seti since I got demoted 9 years ago.
I was talking about a person on the Seti forums, in the AVG thread in NC there.
William can attest to who I mean.

Chris pointed earlier to the Seti rules, but they don't fully apply here. We have our own set of rules that I apply light handedly, thinking mostly that because we're all adults, you should be able to handle things yourself without me having to hold your hand or chastise you at every wrongly put comma.

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That's what I expected as a response. Disappointing.
I'm outta here.

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I ain't sure who you're posting about but I've got a good idea who the person is . He IS a good mate of mine so please can you all drop it now . I ain't going to grass and run and tell him he's being talked about here , just think it's best if it was dropped .
I don't know what's happening but he said in a email he would let me know . I got out of hospital yesterday and its Christmas for fu##s sake just relax and enjoy the time of year .
Happy Christmas to everyone here (boll#x to happy holidays ;-) )

As it would seem, when one has a moderator tag at some forums, some people find that the moderator is only allowed to moderate and for the rest have no opinion of his own, and certainly not voice such opinion in any forums. Well, too bad, I don't follow those rules.

Sad to see you go over exactly nothing.

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That's what I expected as a response. Disappointing.
I'm outta here.

Jord, isn't talking about the town drunk. A different person who recently changed screen name.

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