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Message 12390 - Posted 10 Sep 2007 0:13:03 UTC

    With all of Rosetta's problems, my laptop had about 40 three-hour wu's completed.

    Since the lappy is slow AMD, and not Rosetta friendly, I "detached" from Rosetta and added other projects.

    I "thought" i checked to see if the wu's were uploading to Rosie first, but apparently I didn't.

    Assuming i goofed in detaching before the wu's uploaded, is there any way to get back the results of ~120 hours of crunching?

    If in fact (only my "assumption" at this point in time) BOINC Manager does delete any completed wu's which are pending upload when a project is detached, would it not be a good idea to issue a warning dialog box to this effect?

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    Message 12391 - Posted 10 Sep 2007 1:20:59 UTC

      If you detach before reporting you work it will be lost.
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      Message 12392 - Posted 10 Sep 2007 1:25:50 UTC

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        When I mouse over a version 5.8.15 boinc manager button, without clicking, I get a small pop-up message explaining what will happen. The Detach button's message warns that 'Tasks in progress will be lost. Use Update first to report any completed tasks.'.

        The only way to get lost or crashed workunits back is to restore a backup of the contents of the boinc folder. CPDN members are advised to make regular backups because the workunits are so long that almost anything could go wrong before the end. But for projects with much shorter WUs (ie all other projects) it isn't usually considered worth the hassle as after a restore you have to crunch again from the backup point.

        Scheduled backups made with boinc running generally speaking can't be successfully restored.

        If anyone does need a boinc folder backup & restore method, the CPDN READMEs are the place to look:

        http://www.climateprediction.net/board/index.php

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        Message 12431 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 8:56:59 UTC - in response to Message 12392.

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          Little pop-up messages when hovering are useless for fast navigators. Radical steps as detaching when there is still work to upload and report, and i agree with the OP, should be with a blunt screen warning to say that all and everything is lost when executed, not just a 'you are about to detach'. Even better would be if the logic were in place to send and report work automatically when this radical step is taken.

          Discussing backups may be in the mind of CPDN participants which run jobs of many hundreds or several thousand hours, but if attached to a project that runs jobs for 4-6 hours it is not IMHO.

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          Message 12433 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 10:41:44 UTC - in response to Message 12431.

            Even better would be if the logic were in place to send and report work automatically when this radical step is taken.

            A bit difficult if the project in question is off line... So then what happens, no detach until the work is uploaded & reported?

            I do like the better warning about the consequences of a detach though and will contact David on that.
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            Message 12434 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 11:08:39 UTC

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              Or better yet, I made a Trac ticket. Changes in the example text are welcome. :-)
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              Message 12435 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 12:45:28 UTC - in response to Message 12434.

                Or better yet, I made a Trac ticket. Changes in the example text are welcome. :-)


                I'm not motivated to install an old version just to find out...

                But didn't there used to be a warning in the dialog box that a detach/reset would result in the loss of all work. Or am I just thinking there was because every time I've said something about it on the forums I've put a warning in my post.
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                Message 12436 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 12:49:38 UTC - in response to Message 12435.

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                  I think there was only a warning on one of the Help sites that you got through from BOINC Manager's Help menu. And then you had to read the warning correctly as well. And find it first. ;-)

                  Oooh, just look at the description for Detach on Manager Advanced:

                  "Detach: Your computer will stop working for the project."

                  Is that all? ;-)
                  (And edited that page ;-))
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                  Message 12459 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 17:49:56 UTC

                    A few crunchers seem to understand the word Abort as it is used by NASA or ESA for a countdown to launch that is temporarily suspended but will be recontinued when for example the wind direction changes.

                    And if you reset the table for a meal you just do the job again. The crockery and cutlery don't mysteriously disappear for ever.

                    So the finality of the effect of both the Abort and Reset Project buttons can be misunderstood. Jorden, would it be a good idea for you to add these two buttons to the same Trac ticket?

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                    Message 12462 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 17:55:36 UTC - in response to Message 12459.

                      I'll add them.
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                      Message 12469 - Posted 12 Sep 2007 19:14:24 UTC

                        Thanks.

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